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Cower, Lock The Door, Grab The Scissors, Act Like A Sheep

February 1, 2013 by  

Cower, Lock The Door, Grab The Scissors, Act Like A Sheep
SCREENSHOT

The Department of Homeland Security has new advice for those unfortunate enough to find themselves in a situation where their workplace is being shot to pieces by a crazed gunman: cower under the desk, lock the door, grab the scissors, hope you don’t get shot.

In a ridiculously simplistic propaganda video entitled “Options for Consideration,” DHS mentions recent mass shootings — all of which occurred in gun-free zones — and gives instructions on the best ways to cower in fear and hope you don’t get shot. The video description claims it “demonstrates possible actions to take if confronted with a (sic) active shooter scenario. The instructive video reviews the choices of evacuating, hiding, or, as an option of last resort, challenging the shooter.” The challenge makes no mention of pulling out your own personal protection firearm, but does suggest grabbing a pair of scissors.

The ultimate irony is that at the end of the video, a group of law enforcement officers wielding personal defense weapons enter the workplace looking for the shooter. Anyone running out of the workplace with hands in the air is allowed to pass. Meanwhile, officers are going into office carrying the very weapons the gun grabbers want to deny lawful gun owners.

The overall message of DHS is clear: Take no action beyond pretending to be a herd animal and hope law enforcement gets there before everyone in the building is dead or dying.

Filed Under: Conservative Politics, Freedom Watch, Hot Topics
Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Defender

    Unless you’re Edward Scissorhands, you haven’t got a prayer. This DHS advice is equivalent to telling children to hid under their desks if we get attacked with a nuclear bomb!

  • jared

    eddie 47d, the things you are writting about are very good points and they are your veiws, and it also sounds like you are very unprepared for any event of harm that may come your way. hope you do not become a statistic waiting on the police save you. just sayin it out loud is all, have a good day.

    • Vicki

      He will claim that you have the right to defend yourself but he continues to deny you the tools for the job. Oh but HIS family has guns according to previous posts of his.

      • eddie47d

        Now I also know Vicki wears pants for they are on fire! So what if my kids own handguns!

  • Luther Henry

    As the old saying goes, “Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6″ This is why we have the 2nd Amendment, when the criminals or the tyrants or the enemy forces are armed only with scissors, maybe then we will be equipped to fight back with scissors, but until then……..

  • Doc Sarvis

    The lead in should read; “A crazed gunnman that the NRA enables with free access to large capacity magazines and assult rifles.”

    Arming everyone just creates a shooting gallery doing more harm than good in all probability considering few gun owners have any training on how to properly use a firearm (and the problem that most Conservatives have poor aim/target judgement).

    • Don 2

      Doc Sarvis,

      You want to back up your “Conservatives have poor aim” comment with some actual facts, or do you just like to run your mouth?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The NRA doesn’t “enable” anyone!!! The Constitution of the United States “enables”, it protects our GOD given right to protect ourselves from a government out of our control! The right to bear arms is NOT a privilege, granted by the government, therefore revocable by the government! It is NOT debatable!!! It is our RIGHT!!! PERIOD!!! END OF DISCUSSION!!! ANYONE who ALLOWS the government to disarm the American people deserves what they will get!!! SAY NO!!!!!! SAY IT LOUD AND SAY IT OFTEN!!!!!!

      • Luther Henry

        Nancy, you have written and expressed it perfectly. Not much more could be said on the subject, but the liberal moonbeams will still attempt to debate and dissuade us from our God given rights under our Sacred Constitution. Maybe until their own ox is gored, then it will be a little late for them.

      • eddie47d

        That’s not totally true Nancy for the NRA does write our state laws and put them on our Legislators desks. Those laws allow more weapons on the streets which allows more people to have access to those guns ,honest and dishonest citizens alike. They helped create the free for all where anything goes. Where you can’t tell the good guy from the bad guy in who has a weapon strapped to his waist. Because of Florida’s Stand Your Ground law more motorists are being shot in traffic altercations because more folks are carrying weapons. That law can be an escape clause for getting out of shooting someone in that state. I don’t believe it “Is a right Period”! There are too many states that have given free reign to gun owners to shoot anyone with out using self control first. The NRA has also helped take the civilized out of a CIVILIZED SOCIETY.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        The NRA was NOT around when The Constitution of the United States was written!!! THAT is the only law that matters!!! Anything that the NRA proposes is merely a response to those who want to overturn the Second Ammendment without going through the LEGAL process of ammending the Constitution!!! The Constitution of the United States IS the law of the land!!! If you’re willing to let them “mess” with one part, you’re gonna lose it ALL!!! The NRA has no more power to pass laws than the [expletive deleted] who want to take away our guns!!! Just because they say so, doesn’t make it true!!!

      • eddie47d

        Then why do some of you support an organization which advocates so much governmental change for their own benefit.

      • http://outdoorsunlimited.net Ray

        Nancy gotta love ya Gal: you are right on target, now, the murder on the Seal in Glen Rose Texas at the range am I the only one who thinks it was a put up deal because he was so good at his job. Seems as though somebody might have been a bit rattled about him. Guess who

    • Danseur

      Doc Sarvis,

      if arming everyone only creates a shooting gallery, please explain why the vast majority of the “successful” mass shootings occur in gun free zones?

      please also explain why the attempted mass shootings that have been stopped by armed citizens have not erupted into a gunfire free for all?

      — Dansear

      • Doc Sarvis

        Answer to question # 1; Mass shootings are by nature NOT in a gun free zone since someone brought a gun!
        Answer to question #2; Because a minority of those involved are NOT armed or do not use their guns.

      • Don 2

        Wow Doc, impressive answers…..duh, and duh again.

      • Danseur

        Doc Sarvis,

        Regarding #1: the vast majority of “successful” mass shootings are in legally declared gun free zones, where only criminals will have guns. Chicago, the reigning murder capital, is a city wide gun free zone. based on the statistics regard the effects of declaring any area a gun free zone, they would much more accurately be called “criminal safe zones” as the criminal has plenty of time to act unchallenged before police arrive.

        Regarding #2: your “answer” makes no sense whatsoever. reality is that the criminal and derange make up a very small fraction of the population; the average armed citizen is very aware of the uses and capabilities of the weapons they carry, and when a criminal or deranged gunman opens fire, the average armed citizen responds only with sufficient force to neutralize the criminal. (if deranged, the gunman still becomes criminal once they open fire on innocent people). once the threat is neutralized, the average armed citizen puts their weapon away and waits for the police to arrive so the various reports can be filed. i know this from experience, as well as from police reports from across the country. the average armed citizen tends to be very respectful of others, and tends to be very responsible with their weapons.

        — Danseur

      • Danseur

        @ Doc Sarvis

        you said, “The innocent are being punished by the acts of a few; they just can’t speak because they’ve been murdered.”

        I am one of the ~300 million gun owners who has never shot someone. Are you saying I am somehow guilty of something because I’m not dead?

        ***

        I am grateful that i have never had to shoot someone. I pray that I never have to. However, if a criminal threatens my life or my family, I will not hesitate to draw and use my weapon to defend myself and my family.

        Please explain to me why anyone would be better off letting criminals act unchallenged.

        — Danseur

      • kimo3690

        WELL SAID!!! TY

    • Vicki

      Doc Sarvis says:
      “The lead in should read; “A crazed gunnman that the NRA enables with free access to large capacity magazines and assult rifles.”

      1 crazed gunman. Yet with all that easy access

      ~300 MILLION Innocent Americans DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

      Stop punishing the innocent for the acts of a few.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      • Doc Sarvis

        The innocent are being punished by the acts of a few; they just can’t speak because they’ve been murdered.

      • cawmun cents

        The funny thing is Doc…..thats the way I feel about being punished under gun control.
        I will be dead when they come to take them from me too…..who is innocent in all of that?
        Those who obey the law of the land,or those who bend it for their own agenda?
        -CC.

      • kimo3690

        YEP YEP YEP CC I totally understand how YOU feel!!

      • Bill Johnson

        I guess many of us will just have to be outlaws. We already have been labeled as terrorists by Janet Napolitano. Just think, every returning service man / woman, All conservatives, all people who live in the suburbs or country, all who drive pickup trucks, suvs and all hunters. Man, that’s a lot of terrorists for her to fear.

    • john

      You do no research,Americans use guns over two million times a year to stop major felonies.Women use guns 200 tmes a day to stop rapes John Lott “More Guns Less Crime”..FBI UNIFORM CRIME STATISTICS.Read the book before they burn it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/clarence.deaton Clarence Deaton

    The DHS ordered modern sporting rifles for “self defense” they said. But yet the law abiding citizens don’t need modern sporting rifles for self defense.

    • William Johnson

      Every time someone is killed by use of a gun, the ghouls come out of the woodwork. They all believe that piece of hardware did the killing by itself. The same people swear SUVs are dangerous because they can withstand a more hazardous collision with no harm to their occupants. Oh yeah, the safer car is more dangerous. The best self defense option is more dangerous. The sweaty mass of humanity needs to be kept out of self protection so we can rule them. The “elites” and “elected class” are more equal. Just like in George Orwell’s Animal Farm. The pigs were more equal. To me that means they should be held in contempt.

  • William Johnson

    Do NOT spray bullets wildly and rapidly in all directions as seen on TV. concentrate on your target, the shooter. If he is not able to shoot you, you are safe. If you happen to have a personal protection device (AK 47, AR 15, Uzi or other Dianne Feinstein assault weapon) use it. If not use the GUN you do have. Even the diminutive .22 long rifle has a devastating effect if it hits a vital organ (brain, eye, lung, heart). Many shooters have been stopped by defenders with what was available.

    • Vicki

      Many, most of us know to use what is available. We object to people telling us what we CAN’T make available.

  • William Johnson

    Six in the cylinder, two hand hold, both eyes open, lean slightly forward to balance, squeeze six times. Duck and reload. Repeat. Even a .22 can be a great deterent. Law officials will always take the path that ensures their own safety. It makes sense for you to do the same.

    • Hedgehog

      Hi William, just a reminder to everyone using a pistol, 6 o’clock hold! Pistols shoot high, aim a little low. If you want to hit his guts, aim for his nuts! If you miss, with luck you’ll cut a major artery. Don’t try to shoot the gun out of his hand, you might it yourself. Metal objects reflect bullets and bullet fragments.

      • William Johnson

        Right on Hedgehog. In the movies, the hero can make all kinds of fantastic shots, like disabling a killer with a .380 by hitting him once with a finger removal. Bovine Excrement! In real life center body mass++++. If he is wearing body armor you must make his head or legs a target. A killer who can’t move is almost disabled. BTW, I spent 21 yrs on active duty and never saw that super shooter depicted in the movies. My favorite gun is a 12 guage pump. Second a snubby .357 magnum with jacketed hollow points. Both make nasty holes and carry large kinetic energy doses to the perp.

  • http://protonius.wordpress.com Protonius

    (PROTONIUS HERE AGAIN with ANOTHER TYPO-CORRECTION:)

    Frustrating when the keyboard has its own ideas of how to present what I am typing!

    Anyway, here’s another correction:

    In my just submitted post, I wrote: “…grab the other end of the rubberband’s look”:

    – “LOOK” should be “LOOP”.

    “… then “sight” along the stretched rubberband so that you target — the “terrorist”:

    – “YOU” should be “YOUR”.

    Hopefully, that covers it (until next time!).

  • http://protonius.wordpress.com Protonius

    (PROTONIUS HERE with a TYPO-CORRECTION:)

    In my just-submitted post, one of the lines says: “…grab the other end of the rubberband’s look”. The word “look” is a typo. The CORRECT word is “loop”.

    Apologies for the error.

    • Andy

      Does anyone think about the two-prong argument about guns: first, guns are evil–therefore, remove guns. Secondly, the rich and elite sector (government, Hollywood, etc.) will continue to be heavily protected by guns. Conclusion, we are only the “worker bees” to be controlled and/or destroyed when no longer useful. Folks, this is now where we live. Sobering, ain’t it?

      • phideaux

        sounds like Metropolis doesn’t it.

  • http://protonius.wordpress.com PROTONIUS

    The bizarreness of this DHS recommendation is something that, IMO, SHOULD “drive home” the insanity — or the insidiousness — of this current (and, IMO, intentionally manufactured) push to disarm the American people and to further eviscerate our most fundamental Constitutional rights.

    As others have said, “you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight”.

    There’s also a fundamental principle — one which has historically been, and continues to be, more than amply demonstrated everyday and everywhere on this planet , internationally, nationally, and even in personal relationships — that says that in situations in which weakness is confronted by strength — particularly aggressive strength — weakness loses.

    If an attacker is bent on your destruction, and you have no ability to AT LEAST adequately defend yourself (which could also include disabling or removing your attacker), chances are high that your attacker will be able to destroy you.

    How many “911 phone-calls”, for example, have we, the public, NOT heard, in which the caller has probably been screaming words to this effect: “Help me! He has a gun to my head!” (or “A knife to my throat!”); “He says he’s going to kill me! Hel…” — and the sound of a gunshot — or of a gurgled brief scream — cuts the cry off in mid-word?

    Was the killer a crook, a gone-mad jealous lover, a drug-brained lunatic, a “terrorist”, none of whom should have had a gun (or knife) — but, not being concerned with the law, they DID have a gun (or knife — and by the way, knife-possession is still legal)?

    And what of the victim? Was calling “911″ any help to him/her? Should that victim — before the trigger was pulled or the knife ripped across the victim’s throat — have perhaps politely asked the attacker to “Please wait, 911 maybe will be sending someone over soon to shoot you dead or to first ask you to not kill me and then they can shoot you dead”?

    So, now, says DHS — the same DHS which is now reportedly seeking to purchase many thousands of AR-15s, and the same DHS which, taken together with various other Federal agencies, has recently reportedly been purchasing upwards (maybe more) of a BILLION rounds of ammunition (including hundreds of thousands of deadly HOLLOW-POINT bullets) — is telling We, The People, (a) to give up our ability to defend ourselves against violent attack, (b) to “run and hide” (as though running and hiding will even be possible as the attackers’ barrage of bullets rip into us amid the screams), (c) to “try to reason” with that murderous “terrorist” whose only goal is to kill us at any cost, (e) to emulate — if we have the chance — the 1950s campaign of “duck-and-cover”, as though a committed “terrorist” (or team of “terrorists”), who are unstoppably dedicated to killing us, will somehow NOT think to blast his/her way through a desk or a closet-door.

    As though any of those attempts were not tried by any of the slain children at Sandy hook (or anywhere else).

    If any of the above recommendations by DHS are to be taken seriously, then I submit that the Agency may have failed to recommend what might otherwise be the most effective methods of “protection” yet:

    – 1. A RUBBERBAND SLINGSHOT: In case of a “terrorist-attack”, people should simply grab the nearest rubberband (of which, of course, there should always be a handy supply within reach in every home and office), loop the rubberband over the tip of one hand’s thumb or forefinger, and then, with the other hand’s thumb and forfinger, grab the other end of the rubberband’s look, pull that hand closer to you so that the rubberband stretches; then “sight” along the stretched rubberband so that you target — the “terrorist” (who hopefully hasn’t decided to shoot you yet, and maybe is eating a sandwich or happily looking at a butterfly out the window) — is in the direction of the stretched rubberband; and then RELEASE that hand’s grip on the rubberband. With luck, the rubberband will now have been launched toward the “terrorist”, and, if that little “projectile” reaches its mark with the precision and impact that you’ve been hoping it would, then you can rest assured that this “terrorist” will bother you no more. That is, after he kills you. And then, the good news is that the authorities may or may not come”to your rescue”.

    – 2. TELL THE ATTACKING “TERRORIST” TO PLEASE NOT KILL YOU: That always works — doesn’t it?

    Doesn’t this whole current push to eviscerate (IMO) the 2nd Amendment strike any of the push’s PROPONENTS within the American public as even just a bit odd? Or is something else at play here, as so many OPPONENTS of the push suggest?

  • ibcamn

    hey,how about making signs that say this is a armed and ready to go zone,or something to that effect!!or this is a fight zone,not a flight zone!how about a AK-47 zone!this is a AR-15 carry zone,something to get them to think?too much?i mean they put up “don’t even think of parking here”parking signs in Wisconsin in troubled parking areas,and it worked,people stopped parking in those areas!!sometimes a detourant works real well!

    • Alex Frazier

      That’s kind of funny. Because I thought of making a sign out of a target. I’m a tight, clean shot. I can trim the center hole out of a target at fifteen yards with one magazine. So I thought about taking one of those targets, laminating it, and then making a home security sign. Smith and Wesson Home Security. Or something like that.

      I think a potential intruder would get the point.

      • cawmun cents

        I did that…shot the targrt with a 12 ga. and posted it next to my front door.
        -CC.

      • Danseur
      • Gordon

        HELLO= Get a clue people.

        Any “gun stickers” on your home or car say:

        “I own guns. Follow me home, see where I live, and rob me when I’m gone.”

        The trash guys and the yard guys (etc) already know where you live and what you have.

  • Rick

    Obama will probably want to ban all scissors except maybe the round point safety scissors.
    I don’t think the criminals are as stupid as the politicians, so a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors, probably will not deter the criminals either. It might deter Fienstein, Clinton, Biden, Obama, Reid, Pelosi and some of the other idiots, but I just don’t think the criminals are that stupid.

    • Vicki

      I recommend a tool designed to throw a rock very efficiently. Rocks made of one or 2 elements are good. Note that scissors are not really suitable to aerodynamic design and paper can fly but doesn’t have enough kinetic energy delivery.

  • Guy Waukcinebar

    But for God’s sake, don’t run with the scissors. There is only one solution to madmen who think they can easily kill multiple victims – reasonable concealed carry laws. Almost all mass murders end when someone else shows up with a gun.

    • Gordon

      Let’s be realistic, please.
      Nearly every mass murder ever done in this country was done in a gun-free-zone.

      Don’t read much about people shooting up police stations do ya?

      Ft. Hood= That was a gun free zone also, done by a muslim (there I go again). Off duty troops were not allowed to have weapons on their person or outside of the platoon arsenel.

  • Don 2

    From the mouth of Barack ‘Insane’ Obama himself while in Philadelphia, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun!”

    • Average Joe

      …and there goes the stiff uppercut to the jaw….The Big O. is down for the count….Ding!….. ;)

      AJ

  • cawmun cents

    So it surprises you that marxists tell you to bury your head in the sand and hope your ass doesnt get kicked?
    -CC.

  • Waldo the Pig

    We are our first line of defense. The police are secondary. They are there after (not during) the tragic events.

    • Vicki

      Police are not defense. They are backup.

      • Average Joe

        Also remember,

        Police carry guns to protect themselves, not you.

  • Mark

    The average number of persons killed in these situtations when the police responds is 14.3 the average when an armed private citizen takes action is 2.3. I guess the Obama administration really doesn’t care 12 people will be saved by a citizen taken action. They only are interested in controlling the masses.

    • Vicki

      It is all about control and not saving lives. An even better statistic is

      ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anyone
      Stop punishing the innocent for the acts of a few (~0.01%)

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

    • waynedoudney

      HEY! WHY DON’T WE DO SOMETHING REALLY STUPID?

      HERE IS WHAT WE DO:
      We make sure that only the irresponsible mentally retarded people, young and old alike, any and all known felons, any and all drug dealers, any and all gangs and gang members, any and all severely addicted drug users with zero incomes, will have best the best semi-automatic hand guns, rifles, shotguns including pump guns with boo coo ammo at their disposal. Many of them already have networks that trade in these kinds of weapons.

      THEN WE DO THE STUPIDEST OF ALL THINGS:
      Make it a felony to own any semi-automatic guns to include pump shotguns. Confiscate all guns that are worthwhile weapons of protection for civilized, productive, and hard working citizens. Of course the only people who will obey this obviously unconstitutional law is the good folk, the productive folk, the only few that have acquired anything worth stealing.

    • ted sockwell

      its not about gun control its just people control is what they want we really need to start over from scratch

    • Deb

      If you hold a gun like Obama did for his photo op, you might be safer with a pair of scissors. Take a close look of where the gun is on his shoulder & how he is standing. Not a shooters stance. A big joke to show off.

    • Bill Moss

      More than likely the numbers are correct, or near correct, but where did you get these figures?

    • Don

      Mark – I had not heard of that statistic but it is a good one. Unfortunately the central liberal news media and the ignorant (Pierce Morgan) will not want to hear it.

    • Ghis

      Your numbers are wrong… or at least biaised. Your number were the cops intervene include all the big, mass events were a lot of people are gathered. Your number were individual intervene relates to mostly limited size events like household violences…
      How does these compare?…

    • Trish

      We have had guns in our house for years. Three children and they never, never would have thought of using one when not necessary. Thank you and you are right on the money. Mr. Obama needs to work for the Americans for once.

  • FedUp II

    So, the Department of Homeland Security says take a “pair of scissors” to a gun fight! Really?…

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I say…we take all the guns er, I mean, personal defense weapons, that the department of homeland security bought, and distribute them to the citizens who PAID for them. Then we issue everybody in homeland security, a nice pair of scissors!!!

      • Vicki

        Tools of personal defense. Sounds less scary to liberals that way.

      • http://outdoorsunlimited.net Ray

        Nancy, you are sharp and to the point: (No pun intended) love your way of putting it. You got them on the run keep em going.

      • Chris

        Good idea Nancy………I’ll take one revolver, one rifle, and a bazooka please.

      • http://none Susan

        That is a splendid idea.. I love it.. we pay for thease why should not we get one or two each…

      • Richard

        It is wonderful to experiance such creativity as this to express the universal frustration that we as citizens our experiancing with our tone deaf government. Theiir logic defies any linnear logic that I have ever experianced. There is no explanation for the level of retardation that these people exhibit when it comes to rational thought.

        Sleep tonight your Government is watching…. America your in good hands?

      • Bill Johnson

        Contrary to popular belief, governments do not ban guns for protection of the populace, they ban guns to protect themselves from the populace. All established governments first priority is to protect themselves. Watch the timeline on any major shooting incident. The police do not dash in and save anyone. They wait, plan, equip themselves and attack in mass to ensure no police casualties. This is not bad! They are ineffective if they become victims. All this boils down to is, you must do what is necessary to protect you and yours. It is not the primary mission of the police. I prefer to use a gun against armed intruders, First, I am not in the physical shape of superman and second most of the perps are looking for an excuse to beat on someone. I prefer not to be beaten.

      • http://yahoo.com Diane

        I would be willing to pay a little to see that happen !

      • http://westrivertelephone Morris

        right on!!! couldn’t be said better, left wing communist liberals, blaming the wrong things and rewarding the wrong people, maybe we should limit buses to 10 passengers. The sandy hook tragedy is the government’s fault-one armed guard or a couple of teachers with weapons would possibly have prevented 26 deaths.

      • Cathy

        Yes; best idea, yet!!

      • Gunner4r8

        I second that…. The kuindergarten type with round safety tips.

      • http://google mike

        Nancy, I think you are on to something here! Now we have to convince them (we could tax it, demonstrate that thati a better way for them, and will hurt conservatives. That will convince them,What say you?

      • bill

        Nancy, My thoughts exactly.

      • GiGi Bronson

        I agree—bad idea. This would help no one.

      • don

        Nancy i think thats a great idea !

      • John C

        Nancy that is a great idea!!!!!! Now to implement it, and have ovomit get rid of all his secret service protection and especially Joe “Stupid Biden’s ” protection, I will then believe in gun control. However I don’t think the cowards who have never served in the armed forces or done one days hard work will go for that. Let’s force it upon them.

      • BigIndianJim of North Carolina

        Just who is Home Land Security arming with all the weapons they bought with our tax dollars? Do they have their own army paid for with our taxes? How does one sign up for this army? Sounds like the kind of work our Veterans might qualify for, instead of being unemployed. As an old Vet, I would sign up to protect our borders. This whole thing sounds like someone is forming their own Army, maybe to protect us citizens from ourselves because they know whats best for us, so they think. Of course they don’t have to follow the laws they put in place for us. They will be armed, have a pension for life and the best medical insurance.

      • http://WND Kenneth Ferguson

        H.L.S. is an enemy of the State. In Germany it was called the brown shirts.

      • Judy Cook

        You go Girl. U make more sense than all those govmt. dudes.

      • Joe

        Nancy, don’t forget the ammo!

      • http://cjb29010@yaho.com brown

        I think You have a great Idea. they didn’t ask us little folks if they could spend are money tis way. I don’tthink we even need then.if the would look down in Washington DC the wouldfne the folks who want to do us in.

      • beebee

        Nancy, that’s the most reasonable answer anyone can give to these hare-brained ideas! Guess it’s just too simple for them to see. Citizens left defenseless, (armed with scissors, no less!) while “they” sit in their ivory towers surrounded by armed guards with warehouses full of weapons and ammo, and all the while criminals roaming the streets armed to the teeth, just looking for some defenseless family they can terrorize, rob, and kill.

      • mwb

        Perfect!

      • Leslie Shively

        Nancy, what you said is priceless. I agree with you 100%

      • MichElaine Rippentrop

        This is great Nancy I like it you go girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Star

        Amen! I thought of the same thing.

    • http://google gary gerke

      I love you fed up……to hell with TSA, HLS and the FBI, they are all involved in trashing the constitution and bill of rights. If the atrocities on the American people continue, there will be an uprising of the true American patriots that the world has never seen. This is the reason for gun confiscation in the near future. The government is scared to death of a potential 90-million gun owners shooting back!!!!!!

  • TPS12

    I prefer to let people just defend themself with their CCW.

    • ibcamn

      i carried long long before CCL,i had a CCW with me all the time,never without one!and my lifestyle(biker),i needed it several times over the years and alive to prove it!

      • Scorch

        Ibcamm I agree totally having carried nearly all my life and having to actually use them on three separate occassions, only in one of those did I actually have to fire my weapon. Making the weapon visible to my assailants in the other two instances was all that was required.

    • eddie47d

      Not to get you in a tizzy but you rather proved a point about gun control. I’ve seen a few bikers acting up ( most are not that way) but they are scrappers who are always looking for a fight. Biker bars in Colorado are noted for more than good drinking and good times and shootings do occur.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        And how has he “proven a point”? By exercising his NATURAL BORN RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF IF NEED BE??? Idiot.

      • eddie47d

        That SOME people shouldn’t have guns because they continually put themselves in violital situations. Hell volunteer for combat duty if you are so obsessed!

      • Gordon

        Defense is a simple word, like infringed. Look em up.

        Drunks kill people with cars….. so all cars should be outlawed and crushed?

        Doctors kill more people through mis-diagnosis and malpractice than the top 6 diseases AND gun crime added together……. Let’s put a stop to doctors.

        Liberals need a crainirectomy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie, what use to be biker bars in Denver won’t let bikers in who wear their colors, must have been in a cave or haven’t been to a biker bar lately?

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Not to get you in a tizzy but you rather proved a point about gun control. ”

        Yes he did. He controlled his gun quite well and didn’t die. He did as you CLAIM, and exercised his right to defend himself. Then in a response you claim he should not have the right to do it with the best tool for the job.

        This is why we know you are not serious about claiming that we have the right to defend ourselves.

      • eddie47d

        Now we know Vicki is a brawling biker chick who loves a good tumble! Hey Conservative Gayle Trotter said a couple of days ago “that woman are safer with guns”. In the same article it also said that a woman who is involved in a domestic dispute where a gun is involved is 500 times more likely to be a victim. Oh yes… the good the bad and the ugly of gun ownership.

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Hey Conservative Gayle Trotter said a couple of days ago “that woman are safer with guns”. In the same article it also said that a woman who is involved in a domestic dispute where a gun is involved is 500 times more likely to be a victim. Oh yes… the good the bad and the ugly of gun ownership.”

        Hmmm…. so 500 times more likely to become a victim. I notice in the sequence there is no mention of who has the gun. And in spite of there being 500 times more likely we find that

        ~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anyone. Not even in a domestic dispute.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        It didn’t matter Vicki either she was shot or if she did the shooting she was sent to prison. She lost either way!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “It didn’t matter Vicki either she was shot or if she did the shooting she was sent to prison. She lost either way!”

        Thus you are saying that your statistic is irrelevant. Thanks. We knew that already. This statistic however is relevant.

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

  • Elevenarrows

    If those of us who know our constitutional and God-given rights were to DEMAND the right to defend ourselves as loudly as the left demands their food stamps and free phones…America would be a different place. The left are ruthless in implementing their agenda. Until more Americans realize that the two party system does not serve freedom-loving, constitutional Americans, nothing will change. Those of you who just have not been able to desert a party that deserted the Constitution decades ago, shame on you. Please do all of us a favor and check out other party options. I HIGHLY recommend all the disgruntled Republicans get on board NOW with the Constitution Party so we can dethrone the two party system in the next election. Hey, gun-lovers, read for yourself the Constitution Party’s view on the 2nd amendment.

    • eddie47d

      Elevennarrows; You already have the right to defend yourself . On the main topic are you saying that keeping weapons out of places of employment is a ruthless leftist plot? Most business owners are Conservative so be careful how you answer that.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie47d, you say most business owners are conservative. I don’t know where you get your definition of conservative. My dictionary cites the definition as follows: holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. This doesn’t sound like any business owners I know. The business owners I know of, follow whatever political party gives them what they want! The BIG business owners BUY the politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle. This doesn’t make them conservatives! The little business owners are just trying to keep the government (at the behest of the big business owners) from destroying them. Neither business nor government, any longer haver anything to do with being conservative OR liberal! Let’s stop labeling people and judging them upon whether they’re conservative or liberal. The two terms no longer apply! Our system of government has been corrupted to the point that it’s no longer about conservatives vs liberals. It’s about control! Those with power and money(both parties) CONTROL those without!!!

      • eddie47d

        Maybe I was being too darn nice in saying business owners are Conservative. I should have known better. Yes there are alot of scallywags out there these days Nancy and there are way too many on the take . Just today Russ Wasendorf in Cedar Rapids Iowa (of all places) was sent to prison for 50 years. He pleaded guilty to milking his clients out of $215 million over 20 years through his Peregrine Financial Group. To think he didn’t even use a gun!

      • Gordon

        Actually Eddie47d you’re right.

        Most employers prohibit guns because some liberal theiving lawyers will figure out some way to get rich and bankrupt the business man into oblivion. So employers must protect their own asse—ts.

        EX: WalMart does not allow employees to carry “on the job” for the simple reason that it would WM a gazillion bucks just to settle frivolous law suits “out of court”.

        The real problem is liars….. I mean…… LAWYERS.

      • eddie47d

        Is that all you have Gordon blame the lawyers? Is your mind fracked!

      • Average Joe

        “The real problem is liars….. I mean…… LAWYERS.”

        Sam Ting

        AJ

      • johnny

        Eddy,keeping guns out of work places dis arms the very people that a psycho hunts for.They are drawn to free fire zones called gun free zones.Listen carefully,criminals do not give a rat’s ass about your laws.They laugh at you liberals and your fantasy ‘gun free zones” When did you lose your manhood?

      • kimo3690

        WELL said johnny…. Keep your powder dry!!

    • Hedgehog

      Elevenarrows, as a Canadian, might I suggest that you try a multi-party system like ours, fondly known as divide and conquer. That way the parties fight each other competing for our votes. Of course we often have minority governments when not much gets done, but that’s a good thing. A government that is doing nothing is not harming its people!

      • kimo3690

        YEP YEP YEP well said!!

  • Corkey

    Stop, drop and roll.

  • dan

    safety of the herd…blend in and try not to look tasty….lol
    just don’t run with those assault scissors !

    • Darrell

      love it, LOL

      • Average Joe

        Hey, that’s my name…and spelled… correctly ( nobody ever does that))…I thought I was alone in the universe…lol ;) ;)

  • Gaines Bruce

    Quite frankly, I set through a video at work with a similar message. My workplace is a “weapons free zone” where even a 3 inch pocket knofe is prohibited. We were advised to run if possible, or barricade ourselves behind closed and blocked doors with the lights off if possible. The “attack” with the sissors or whatever else you have is for when the gunman breaks through the barrier and there is no other alternative. Some office have safe sissors do something else may be necessary. If I have the option to run, it will be to my truck in the parking lot where I’ll retrieve my automatic pistol. I probably am violating some work rule, but I think I am in literal compliance with the rules. Maybe some day folks will wake up about the stupidity of gun free zones.

    • Robert B.

      Why don’t you just take your gun to work and hide it on you. Wouldn’t you rather be fired from your job than die at your job.

      • Average Joe

        Robert B.

        There the answer in a nutshell.

        Which do you value more, you job or your life?
        I have been fortunate in that I am a Land Surveyor by trade in west central Florida, a gun on the job is pretty much a given (it’s not all city life here, we still have some swampland…and lots of it). However, If I weren’t a LS, I still wouldn’t work anywhere that I was forbidden to protect my own life…by any means possible…and that includes concealed carry. I could not work for a company that doesn’t value my life.

      • http://google gary gerke

        You my friend are right on the money!!!!! Life and death can be an option, we would all chose life…However, the government would chose death over carrying a gun to save the life of the citizen.

    • kimo3690

      INDEED!! And check this out:

      “The five worst mass killings, where a firearm was used, have a common thread. Hint #1: They didn’t belong to the NRA. They don’t fit the stereotype of the “red-neck” gun owner.

      Check it out …

      Ft Hood: Registered Democrat/Muslim.
      Columbine: Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.
      Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff.
      Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal.
      Connecticut School Shooter: Registered Democrat; hated Christians.

      Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.

      Also, of the worst killings in the last several decades, only one was a female, all the rest were boys, barely men. Their role models were rappers, action movies, comics and violent video games.

      Our problem isn’t weapons, it’s boys without boundaries. Who live in ‘progressive’ households.”

      http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2979881/posts

      • Average Joe

        kimo3690 ,

        Shhh…the proggressive/ liberals are trying to keep it a secret…..they don’t want us to know that they really aren’t the “tolerant” folks they claim to be. it seems that the only people they are actually tolerant of… is…themselves.

        AJ

      • kimo3690

        LMAO!!!!!!!! yes “mums” the word…..

      • Kate8

        kimo3690 – That’s it!!! You’ve done it! You’ve come up with the solution to the gun dilemma!

        Ban all liberals from owning or possessing guns. Then we will have no more senseless shootings.

        Thank God. Now we can move on to more productive issues.

      • kimo3690

        LOL INDEED!!!

      • Luther Henry

        That’ll be easy too, because they do not want nor do they need guns, It will be a win,win. You have solved the problem of the century in one fell swoop..

  • Vicki

    Watching the video and remembering a discussion with Jeremy it makes me wonder if he wrote their script.

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Alas no Vicki. Writing scripts is not in my repertoire. Though I did once write a scene that got some good reviews in drama class. Well I did have a partner. I made the original script and she edited and added. It was a collaborative effort.

  • USAF VET

    When seconds count, the police are minutes away.

    • Vicki

      If taking a knife to a gunfight is stupid, what is it to take a scissors? :)

      • Vicki

        The OP writes:
        “The overall message of DHS is clear: Take no action beyond pretending to be a herd animal and hope law enforcement gets there before everyone in the building is dead or dying.”

        This video explains my position rather well.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYF8Z7rZ050

      • Warrior

        Here we go again, the scrools are now instituting “duck and cover” drills. Yes, little ones, learn to be afraid, VERY AFRAID!

      • rendarsmith

        This reminds me of that episode of King of the Hill when the school was teaching the kids to throw their books at incoming assailants.

      • ibcamn

        You got that right,kinda like the old saying,”where’s a cop when you need one?” and then of course the cop’s are there when you don’t need(want)them!…

      • eddie47d

        No surprises in the responses here and fear has a steady grip on all your minds. Now Vicki what does rape have to do with office shootings? Feel free to carry that video along with your Beretta or Colt .45 in your purse when you are on the streets or in your car. Office shooters almost never if ever rape. Office shooters generally are disgruntled employees who are either being laid off or have already been fired so they are well known to everyone. Yet no one knows what they are capable of so why in the hell would you or management want them to be armed. That’s like putting handguns into the hands of two spouses having an argument and daring each other to take the first shot. If an employee is mad at a boss and weapons are allowed on premise what better way to settle a score with out thinking. If a husband and wife work at the same company and the wife is caught flirting with another man what better way to prove a point . If you don’t like the lady working next to you who doesn’t work as hard as you who’s to say you won’t use alittle more force than anger management or self control. Where I worked there were an occasional heated political discussion and some guys wouldn’t talk to each other for weeks. You really want guns around pissed off people?

      • Bob

        How many hollow point bullets did DHS buy for target practice? Buy guns we will need them to protect ourselves from our government.

      • Alex Frazier

        eddie, you’re describing a worse-case scenario from the perspective that every citizen in the country is without control and able to make a decision between right and wrong. I don’t care if I’m carrying ten guns. I’m not going to shoot someone over an argument. I’m not going to shoot my boss because he fired me. I’m not going to shoot someone for flirting with my wife.

        I might beat the snot out of someone, but I’d never shoot them unless they were a danger to my life or physical well being.

        So your scenario has no teeth. It only holds water if the general public is incapable of choosing good and rejecting evil, and I don’t believe that’s the case. We have some nutjobs out there. But the average person won’t sincerely entertain murder over something petty.

      • eddie47d

        How can that be Alex when office shootings come from those who work there and from lay offs and personal squabbles? I wouldn’t shoot anyone either but that wasn’t the point in who is doing the shooting. Even if you were armed you couldn’t stop a fellow employee from shooting a boss because he has the element of surprise. If an employee was mad at the guy next to you and pulled out his gun there is nothing you can do at the moment because he would have the draw . The guy next to you would be dead or wounded. More than likely if he wasn’t mad at you the scenario would be over so would your really shoot and kill him if you did had a weapon? Office shootings are rare but do happen every year so why would you want to make it easier for the disgruntled employee to seek revenge. In cases like the Edmond Okla shooting where he had his uniform on so he blended in and starting shooting with a multiple magazine weapon. He had the element of surprise and no one had time to react. If everyone of those Postal employees had a weapon he still would have killed the most regardless because he had the upper hand. The best bet in any office is not to allow any weapon. My wife worked in an office and had to lay people off and heard many stories from other bosses too. That employees would sabotage desks and destroy computers and damage property on the way out. Would you really want them to have guns in their possession?

      • Doc Sarvis

        “…what is it to take a scissors?” It is an option. All viable options should be considered when one finds oneself in bad situations.

      • Dennis48e

        “All viable options should be considered when one finds oneself in bad situations.”

        For once Doc gets it right. All viable options should be considered so QUIT trying to take the most effective option (firearms) away from us

      • Gordon

        BOB= As you well know DHS ordered 1.6 BBBillion rounds of NON-Geneva Convention bullets (hollow points), new handguns and new assault rifles for the EPA, Noaa weather men, FEMA, etc.

        The feds are 1) consuming the manufacturing abilities of the bullet makers, 2) restricting imports of ammo, because they are…… 3) Expecting an armed confrontation/ civil war in the lower 48 when the socio-economic collapse happens, and marshall law is declared- suspending elections (22nd amendment).

        After the citizens wipe out most bad guys and use up their own ammo, then the blue hats and National Guard will come in for weapons confiscation and relocation (like Katrina).

        Hide and watch.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d focuses on the wrong nouns and writes:
        “Now Vicki what does rape have to do with office shootings? ”

        The nouns to pay attention to are “herd animals” and “possum”. As in to hide and be quiet till the police come to herd you to safety. Which was the main thrust of the DHS video and clear from the part of the OP I quoted.

        So as the girl in the video says, I would rather play “tool using human” like the police do. Wouldn’t you?

      • Vicki

        Alex Frazier says to eddie47d:
        “So your scenario has no teeth. It only holds water if the general public is incapable of choosing good and rejecting evil, and I don’t believe that’s the case. We have some nutjobs out there. But the average person won’t sincerely entertain murder over something petty.”

        And we have significant evidence of your assertion that the general public IS capable of choosing good and rejecting evil.

        We know that there are 100′s of millions of guns out there in private hands. We know that the anti-gun crowd worry constantly about them being stolen by a VERY few bad people.

        Yet in spite of all this we know that

        ~300 MILLION Americans did NOT shoot anyone.

        STOP punishing the INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • kimo3690

        Exactly Vicki and Mr Eddie47d MAY want to check this “stats” out….

        “The five worst mass killings, where a firearm was used, have a common thread. Hint #1: They didn’t belong to the NRA. They don’t fit the stereotype of the “red-neck” gun owner.

        Check it out …

        Ft Hood: Registered Democrat/Muslim.
        Columbine: Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.
        Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff.
        Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal.
        Connecticut School Shooter: Registered Democrat; hated Christians.

        Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.

        Also, of the worst killings in the last several decades, only one was a female, all the rest were boys, barely men. Their role models were rappers, action movies, comics and violent video games.

        Our problem isn’t weapons, it’s boys without boundaries. Who live in ‘progressive’ households.”

        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2979881/posts

      • Vigilant

        “The ultimate irony is that at the end of the video, a group of law enforcement officers wielding personal defense weapons enter the workplace looking for the shooter…Meanwhile, officers are going into office carrying the very weapons the gun grabbers want to deny lawful gun owners.”

        There’s not a bit of irony in that, Mr. Livingston. It’s precisely what the gun grabbers want: disarm everyone except the police.

      • Loco Coco

        Would taking scissors to a gun fight be 2 times as stupid? 2 blades,a knife has only 1 blade** How do you protect yourself? Do you try to block the bullets coming at you with the scissors? Or do you run up to the man shooting at you & try to stab him? We cant do that,we get arrested for attempted murder* Maybe I will hire Edward Scissorhands for a bodygaurd,before someone else does** Loco Coco

      • http://yahoo.com BillT

        Once the perp sees you have a pair of scissors, maybe a sewing class might break out.

      • Old Henry

        And… that old saying: “I carry a 45 because a COP it too heavy.

      • Wumingren

        Bill, about those scissors in schools … to keep the kiddies from hurting themselves, they’re almost all blunted “safety scissors” about 5″ long and with cutting edges under 2″ in length. The few “deadly” scissors available are likely to be found in the teachers’ work room or in an office lamination station. I suppose you could have all the kiddies pull out their scissors and attempt to inflict the “death of a million cuts.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Marine vet, yes about 15 to 20 minutes and your dead by then. God Bless and thanks for your service.

    • Average Joe

      USAF VET ,

      “When seconds count, the police are minutes away.”

      The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes; the response time of a .357 magnum is 1400 feet per second.
      Guess who I’m going to call on….. ;)

      AJ

    • Giovanni

      I’m still trying to figure out how to close the door if I am cowering under the desk and figuring out where the damn scissors are (assuming that they are somewhere in the desk!
      Those guys at Homeland Security should work out a correct sequence but, regardless how they do it, the result is that I am dead unless I have a firearm on my person which would give me better odds of survival.
      Politicians’ Intellect is only matched by their stupidity and, before you shake hands with them, I suggest you wear gloves!

    • Chuck

      And when DHS has close to a BILLION rounds of ammo, it’s easy for them to say this. Wonder what they tell THEIR kids?

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