Illegal crossings are down because the economy in Mexico is better than in the U.S.

According to the dictionary , fossil fuels include, coal , petroleum, and natural gas–so I guess the pipe line would be transporting a form of oil, in whatever form they find it –

As for Canada being an enemy , you have to be smoking something real bad to think that way –of course Canada takes care of it’s own interests, what country doesn’t?? The only friend that the US has not purchased with all kinds of foreign aid is Canada– but I suppose you’s rather see obama hand over the F16′s and the tanks to the real enemy –Egypt–and the other Islamists trying to eventually kill the USA—

Yes, I suppose the oil comapnies will get richer , but if the powers thatbe had any brains the US would be exploring our own natural resources and by doing so making Americans better off and not the Arabs—-Democrap or Republican , doesn’t matter they are both stupid outfits and your president is the top of the stupid chain, wanting to turn the US into a 3rd rate country like the one his father came from –

RBT, that tar sands product is just as much a fossil fuel as any other petroleum product, or coal, for that matter. Oh, and it IS oil, albeit a bit thicker than that west Texas stuff you love to hate. Might take a good look at the road outside your house, as that is an oil base product, unless it is concrete, then oil was used in producing and placing it. You can’t refine coal and have a lot of pumpable product, but you can get the same tar used to lay that roadway with, and some gas as well, plus the coke they used to use to make steel and iron. You do need to learn a bit about all the hydrocarbon type products before you say one or another is or isn’t something. If you have been listening, you have heard them refer to the “TAR SANDS OIL”, which means that product IS oil, and pretty much the same as any other crude.

Every country, except the one run by Obama, acts in their own best interest. Why wouldn’t they? Why wouldn’t Canada act in their own best interest? And since they do, according to you, that makes them our enemy? What a dumb statement. The lack of function of the other half of your brain is obvious.

Hey RBT, Canada is definitely the enemy of your present government and has been the enemy of many of your governments in the past. Canada is just chock full of Americans who have left the US due to government persecution, beginning with the United Empire Loyalists. You’ve invaded us at least twice and we have fought border disputes with you. Now you complain because we don’t LOVE you and don’t send you money! What is the matter with you, not the American people, you and the government horse you ride? Obama Augustus is working hard to get you to become dependent on him and proclaim him your god and fall down and worship him and you can’t see it! Well at least our borders are still open to legitimate refugees!

Lord love a duck, folks! Daleh is actually quoting to us from a dictionary? Did he not notice the quotation marks I used around “fossil fuels” and “oil”? Nor did Chester, who throws some “expertise” into the discussion. Does not daleh know enough about fossil fuels that he has to go looking the term up.? The “oil” that comes from the Alberta tar sands is not the same kind of “oil” that almost bubbled up out of the ground in the early days of the Saudi oil fields—-”sweet light Saudi crude”. That Saudi oil needed only minimal refining to be used. The tar sands “oil” is among the nastiest and dirtiest forms of fossil fuel to be found—-it lies near the surface and is easily strip mined, and that’s its only saving grace. The land is destroyed, much water is needed to process it on site and ends up polluted, it is difficult to process to the point that it becomes an “oil” that can be transported by pipeline, it is much more damaging if the pipeline leaks, and it is more difficult to process once it reaches the refinery. It is one of the most polluting “fossil fuels” available, and is NOT “pretty much the same as any other crude”, as Chester would have us believe…

“Of course Canada takes care of its own interests”, says daleh? He should have stopped there and not shown his mindless adherence to ideology by blabbing about F-16′s, tanks, Islamists, and Egypt, which have NOTHING to do with anything here. The fact is that TransCanada has done some dirty things in its fight for the pipeline and the Canadian government has supported them. Does daleh think that we should let Canadian corporations push their government into going against the USA’s best interests?

Daleh again shows his ignorance of things “oil” when he talks about “exploring our own natural resources and by doing so making Americans better off and not the Arabs” He apparently doesn’t know that we get only about ONE-EIGHTH OF our “oil” from the “arabs”. And daleh just HAS to throw in more mindlessness with “OUR president is the top of the stupid chain, wanting to turn the US into a 3rd rate country like the one his father came from”.

Don 2 is another one who apparently thinks the way to get someone’s attention is to make stupid insults, as in “The lack of function of the other half of your brain is obvious” What a dumb statement, Don. You need to take reading lessons, because you obviously do not read well enough to understand this. Note “—-” marks, too.
“And a case can be made that Canada is in many ways an “enemy of the US” and puts Canadian interests and profits WAY above “helping Americans”. .

and Hedgehog, are you a Canadian?
Sorry to see that you’re still into delusional ranting, because nothing I said can be interpreted to be “complaining because we don’t LOVE you and don’t send you money!” And as for “Well at least our borders are still open to legitimate refugees!”, maybe you haven’t been keeping up because things are getting tight up there—ask any South Asian.

Don 2 asks, “Right Brain Non-thinker, do you even have a job?”

You must be new to PLD, Don, or you’d know that I am a retired educator—-30 years—- 22+ in school administration and 7+ spent teaching mainly biology before that. Been retired 20 years now. My main “job” now is depositing my pension checks and having fun in a number of ways (and doing everything my wife says exactly the way she says to do it).

And why do you ask anyway? What does it matter? Or is that just another “dumb” statement meant to somehow insult me? Do YOU have a job? Share with us.

Possibly Eddie. I’ve heard rumors of a new Star Trek movie in the works.

Fact. New Star Trek is on the way. “Into the Darkness”

Directed by J. J. Abrams: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1408101/

See spots for it during the Supper Bowl.

Rob

Gleiwitz is a part of history. It’s proven. “This provocation was the best-known of several actions in Operation Himmler, a series of unconventional operations undertaken by the SS in order to serve specific propaganda goals of Nazi Germany at the outbreak of the war. It was intended to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany in order to justify the subsequent invasion of Poland.”
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Sadly the tin foil hat brigade has tried to make it look like 911 was such an operation put on by Bush and company. I do not subscribe to that theory.

Rob

Yes, Robert—–my point exactly—-Gleiwitz is significant only to historians and the tinfoil hat brigade, who DO try very hard to match it up to today’s events.

Eddie I’m sure that was a well thought out reply. I wiish I could have come up with that.

I miss Glenn Beck. Now that he has been pretty much exiled to a dark corner of irrelevancy with George W. and Romney, Jon Stewart and Media Matters have had to look for other conservative craziness to highlight. It was great fun watching Jon Stewart do his “Glenn Beck at the blackboard” routines.

FUI, Glenn Beck has a thriving internet TV channel. He is doing OK. It’s no dark corner. Anyone can subscribe and he is not influenced by his sponsors.

Anywhere Glen Beck perches is a “dark corner”. I’m sure he is “thriving” amongst the mindless—-they deserve each other. (And “OK” is relative—-OK as compared to what?)

Well we know there is a lot of Idiots out there, Man i thought all people lived under a set of rules. What is important is the type of rules that are imposed on us that count, Our country has had a set of rules that have lived for 200 plus years, And the only problem we have is these rules are now being Changed And not for the good of this country or its citizens.More power to this man and the people that follow Just rules. But they could also spend more time making sure our polititians maintain the rules that made our country what is is. Or was.

Ranger09,

What ruke changes specifically are you referring to?

Here you go for some details: http://www.iiicitadel.com/

If all the extremist loonies are in one place how can that be a bad thing?

Rob

Obama could be on tv yelling at our enemies to come on in, america is open for attack and these idiots on here still wouldn’t think he was doing anything wrong or treasonous. Leftists seem to have quite a thick impenetrable skull.

Funny RH,

I was thinnking the same about you and how easily you are duped by Bob’s fear piece. Are you and Bob dialed into the security protocols for this nation?

No, neither of you are.

Both of you are upset that part of the military complex corp welfare program has been shut down.

Dave67 says “upset that part of the military complex corp welfare program has been shut down.”

And yet, not a single military base abroad (not even Gitmo as promised) has been shut down, and instead shuts down a mainland defense system without giving any reason or the slightest word that another, cheaper and more efficient system will take its place… all the while continuing imperial and interventionist policies across the globe.

TML,

You know Gitmo cannot be closed without congressional approval right? Of course you do…you just misspoke again.

We should be closing all bases in Europe and Japan. WW2 is over.

I’ve not misspoken, he promised to close it when he couldn’t. Thought he would try to get around Congress using Executive Order… again. Glad to see we agree on closing those places though.

Question Eddie: in which direction are those drones pointed? South for defense or north to support invaders?

Hopefully they will be deployed along the Canadian border to keep you out Hedgehog!

Aw Eddie! Does this mean we’re not friends anymore? As far as the drones go why deploy them along the US Canadian border? Aren’t the helicopters doing a good enough job of keeping the border secure and don’t tell me I’m dreaming. I’ve watched them from our side. Back and forth, back and forth all day long, probably all night long too! You don’t need drones to keep me out of the US, a simple access denied is sufficient!

@hedgehog: Which is cheaper to fly and maintain, a helicopter or a drone?

Think real hard about it. Helicopters average more than one hour of maintenance per hour of flight time and they use nearly five times as much fuel per hour of flight than any drone because they’re always running near max power (it’s the rotor angle that controls altitude, not speed.) The aerostats were effective and they certainly were cheap–but they were fixed location and still had their weaknesses as far as detecting incoming craft. Modern radar planes flying at much higher altitudes are more effective at spotting low-flying craft and even boats from farther away and don’t have known gaps in coverage the way the aerostats did. Certain types of drone–especially the solar powered one tested a couple years ago, are made to serve the same type of duty the aerostats did from 65,000 feet and can see more than 5x as far away with a similar radar system. Follow that up with lower-flying Predator-type drones that can trail boats or planes from closer ranges and track them to their destinations and you get better coverage at lower cost.

Now, do you want the status quo–expensive in multiple manners, or do you want the government to save money?

TML says, “I see nothing in this statement that is incorrect or should be considered fear-mongering”. I am 100% sure that he is speaking truth. His confirmation bias wouldn’t let him see anything else but “nothing”.

Interesting thing—–I have googled all over the place and can’t find anything but the exact same basic fear-mongering info being endlessly repeated on the circular firing squad websites. Are we sure that the TARS system is actually being shut down? Can someone provide a source other than “anonymous” and the company e-mail?

Bob?

And again with the confirmation bias from someone even more guilty of the same through blinded zealous support for you beloved Obama. Its obvious that all we have is the company email, which doesn’t even give the reasons for shutting it down so the entire conversation is speculate. You’re not denying the facts of Fast and furious are you? Gee, talk about confirmation bias, eh?

This is really something to see, folks. TML has his own little circular firing squad going on inside his head! The noise in there must be overwhelming. Certainly enough to drown out any rational thoughts TML may have.

He just CANNOT get around his need to believe that I love O’Bama—-after all, I MUST love O’Bama, right?—-if I don’t agree with TML, I just HAVE to be an O’Bama lover!—-what other way could it be? (Keep your heads down, folks, an occasional ricochet may come out one of the holes in TML’s head).

Yeah, all we seem to have is the questionable e-mail and quote from “anonymous”, which raises the question of why Bob even wrote this thing in the first place and whether any of it is worth talking about.

Of course, some folks like TML will take any opportunity to go off topic to grind one of the same old “talking point” axes, as in bringing up Fast and Furious here. And there are “facts” that someone “denies” there, TML? I don’t even need to ask what those facts are and who is denying them, do I?

“Gee, talk about confirmation bias”, says TML—-yes, every comment you make just keeps proving you have a major problem with it—–as well as motivated reasoning, disconfirmation bias, and cognitive dissonance. You’re not alone on PLD, though, so you won’t get too lonely here.

And you *DO* know all the facts of Fast and Furious? You know every reason why it was planned? You know every reason why it failed? Quite honestly I don’t think anyone outside of the people involved and later investigating it know EVERYTHING about it. We’ve seen quite often how Congress’ preconceived notions about certain events have been catastrophically wrong. Considering F&F is hardly mentioned by Congress now even they learned something they don’t want the rest of us to know.

If its not worth talking about or contemplating, then why are you here? You need to take a break from trolling and get a grip on reality, sonny. You are obviously too emotionalwith such a long drawn out argument to ridicule and ad hominem rather than genuine engagement of the topic. Your zealous support of Obama is evident in your posts. Relax

DW, I’m talking about facts we do know, not specualtion on that issue. It was a gun-running sceme by a cabinet office. Whether the intent was perhaps debatable and may have even been well intended to track weapons being sold illegally, the end result is undeniable that goverment assisted in the arming of enemies they were fighting. Not unlike the imperialist policies abroad. As they say, some of the worse things imaginable are done with the best intentions, but those intentions should not dismiss incompentence. Even if we entertain the thought that Congress has learned things they don’t want us to know, should throw up even more red flags, since they are supposed to be represenatives of the people. Not blindly trusted that they got it covered.

You’re a stitch, TML

Quoting to us from your “Debate for Dummies” book now? YOU talk about someone ELSE using “argument to ridicule and ad hominem”? LOL

And are you calling me “sonny”? I’m 72 (closer to 73)—-how old are you?

And it’s a FACT that F&F was a “gun-running scheme by a cabinet office”?. Which office was that? The office of Fantasy?

RBT says, “And are you calling me “sonny”? I’m 72 (closer to 73)—-how old are you?”

I have to admit; with as immature as you are, I’m shocked at your age.

RBT says, “And it’s a FACT that F&F was a “gun-running scheme by a cabinet office”?. Which office was that?”

The Department of Justice, genius.

TML just won’t quit—-I have to admire his persistence, as well as his ongoing self-delusion. He once again thinks he has scored on me with “as immature as you are, I’m shocked at your age”. As if his saying that I am immature means anything to anyone with a brain—all any visitor to PLD has to do is compare our comments to judge which one of us is more “mature” and which one is less so . TML is like the little kid in a fake fight with his father that REALLY thinks he is winning, when in reality his father is acting as if he is. Dream on, TML—-there’s a real world outside your self-delusional one.

“And it’s a FACT that F&F was a “gun-running scheme by a cabinet office”?. Which office was that?” The Department of Justice, genius.

Really, TML? I thought it had been proved that the scheme originated somewhere down in the bowels of the ATF, which is not a cabinet “office” (Neither is the Department of Justice, if you want to get technical). Genius, indeed.

Lol, yes, all any vistor has to do is compare comments to see who is the immature one here. You got that right.

Btw, the ATF is a federal law enforcement agency under the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice is a cabinet office that is headed by Eric Holder who reports directly to the President…. genius.

Perhaps if you spent more time actually having a discussion rather than personal attacks and ridicule to anyone who doesn’t agree with you they might actually enjoy the conversation. As it is, your immaturity to think such tactics actually won you anything but a lack of respect, along with your complete lack of knowledge on the issue has lost you all credibility.

Good day

Fox News doesn’t do a good job at programming people like the Mainstream Media programs you.

Sure thing Steve..

I need to fall for Bob’s BS fear piece like you do… then I will be a good conservative.

I guess that pesky independent thought and critical thinking skill is still messing messing with me.

Keep in mind we can get better pictures off of Google Earth than what JFK had to work with 50 years ago. Why haven’t these “thousands of Chinese troops” been spotted already?

The question is how can you tell a Chinese soldier in a sombrero and serape from a Mexican in a sombrero and serape using a satellite photo? Drum roll please! The answer is you can’t!

But wouldn’t a “few thousand” of those be a bit obvious if they were truly “massing for an invasion”? I mean, it would be difficult to hide all their weapons and supplies in the open desert, wouldn’t it? For that matter, even if they tried to put it underground, the amount of dirt getting moved would be more than obvious to satellite photography.

That darn Secret Service didn’t do Reagan much good either!

Half a dozen guys with some of them carrying fully automatic weapons…

Yet three were shot.

What are we going to do? Put seven secret service guys around each school child and hope?

More guns in schools won’t help.

Rob

Nice thought, But these people make the rules, They are the Wolves and we be nothing but the sheep. And you know when i was a kid i was taught that these people work for us, Man was my folks and our schools Wrong, Or did the American people just get really lazy.

If only some people could grasp that concept.

Because they are naive, misinformed and believe everything they are soon fed. The U.S. Constitution gives the right only to Congress to regulate Commerce, Look up the definition of Commerce. Wikipedia has good detail. Oil rigs are part of Commerce therefore the Oil embargo was Unconstitutional. Obama tramples on it all the time yet he is re-elected and idolized by the Media and the Kool-Aid drinkers.

Actually, the ten states in which the voters were the “most highly educated” all went for O’Bama, and the ten states in which the voters were the “least educated” went 9-1 for Romney.

Because you are so called “educated”. It doesn’t mean you have any common sense. Common sense is what’s lacking.

Huh? Are you for real?. People that had common sense voted for Obama. They can still have common sense and be misinformed. Comments like yours make you part of the problem.

Clearly, if the so-called most highly educated states went for Obama, then the educators in these states are not really educating the students.

Again. People can be educated and naive as well as misinformed. I know women that are teachers. Therapists, degrees in Chemistry etc that will tell you that Obama is a wonderful President and especially on the Rights of women.

Don 2 said: “Clearly, if the so-called most highly educated states went for Obama, then the educators in these states are not really educating the students”

Nice little “snark”, Don—hope it made you feel better.

Actually, the “most educated” and “least educated” rankings are not “so called” but were done on the basis of the percentage of residents holding college degrees. If we looked at high school graduation rates, we’d probably find the same correlation—-the states that went for O’Bama would likely have a higher proportion of high school graduates (and I’d bet that would be true even considering that those states have pockets of low graduation rates in the cities)..

Charles says: “People can be educated uninformed and naive. ”

And some see what’s going on.

Yup. Wars we don’t want but brought to us by Bush.

Torture.

The war on Women.

Babies from rape are “god’s gift.”

Remember, under Obama GM is alive and Osama is dead.

Rob

Charles, if you let yourself become so uninformed to the level that many are now and don’t realize that. You would not have any common sense. Of course they would not have the common sense to know that they do not have common sense.

Come on RBT, many of these students coming out of college today, with everything from an associate degree up to a masters, cannot even put a sentence together. They’re being pushed through the system, whether or not they deserve a degree. The only thing we can be sure of is that they are being indoctrinated into thinking that socialism is cool and good. Unions are socialist. Public school teachers are union members, and many believe socialism is a good thing. The reality is that under socialism, the rich get poorer, but the poor also get poorer.

I also agree with what others have stated, you cannot teach common sense. You either have it, or you do not. Many educated individuals do not have any common sense. You would probably be the best example I can think of.

Whatever floats your boat, Don. I’m going to watch a movie from Netflix now, so I don’t have time to deal with all the foolish things you’ve said here. Later.

Who is Don? I guess that says it all. Keep watching Neflix!

Charles Moore said,

“Again. People can be educated and naive as well as misinformed. I know women that are teachers. Therapists, degrees in Chemistry etc that will tell you that Obama is a wonderful President and especially on the Rights of women”

A lot of men agree with those women on both parts of that statement. I wouldn’t call O’Bama “wonderful” myself. I rate him “good” as a president, and the Repugnant’s stance on women was medieval, so it wasn’t hard for him to look good there. O’Bama was far above the alternatives we had in 2008 and 2012—-let’s hope we some real FORWARD in the next four years..
.

Keep in mind that it has been the right wing that has worked hardest to bypass or flat change our Constitution, not the left. Show me one example where any Democrat has said, “we need to change the Constitution.” Interestingly, that’s all we’ve heard from the right for 5 years and longer.

Ummm…. DWFields, wasn’t it Obama who said in one of his early speeches that he was “going to fundamentally transform this nation”? What do the words “fundamentally transform” mean to you? And, from what, to what? If the previous administrations had us on a downward path (which I think they did in many ways), “fundamentally transform” would mean one of two things: either to reverse course and improve prosperity for the masses, grow the middle class, restore pride in our culture, pull us out of questionable wars, shrink government, and reverse the budget deficit. Or, it could mean to accelerate the slide by raising taxes, shrinking the middle class, accelerating the expansion of the welfare state and crony capitalism both, keeping us embroiled in costly, unproductive wars, teaching our kids to be ashamed of their country and heritage, creating reams of new laws and Czars to enforce them, and growing the deficit to crushing proportions. In other words, accelerating the slide until we look like the piss-poor rat holes of Obama’s beloved Africa.

Look around you. Are you and your friends currently on stable career paths and expecting that you’ll move up into better, higher-paying jobs with defined benefits pensions? Are you dining out more often and able to afford bigger portions of better food? Are you and your friends all on track to own your own homes and support yourselves decently in retirement? Are you able to pay cash when you visit the doctor’s office? Are you and your friends expecting the government (that is, your neighbors) to NOT help you with your food, rent, retirement or health care? Are the people you know more positive and optimistic about their personal and collective futures than they were 10, 20 or 30 years ago? If not, why not? That’s the America my parents grew up in, and raised me in, It’s NOT the America of today. Compared to 10, 20 or 30 years ago, do you think America now looks like the land of our grandparents, or the storied tinpot dictatorships of Africa? Why do you think the world once envied America? What does it mean to “fundamentally transform” (Obama’s words, not mine) the envy of the world – the place to which millions of Africans and others dreamed of escaping from their own failed systems?

Well, let’s just see. At the time he was originally campaigning, our country was headed into a depression at least as deep as the one of the 1930s, we were in two very expensive wars and quite honestly all our jobs were going overseas. We also had the issue of all three of our American automobile brands were going down the drain; Ford had already gone so far as to pawn its own good name to have enough cash on hand to survive the coming collapse–hoping it could survive long enough to outlast that depression. And that was only a tiny part of what we were under. So yes, our nation needed “fundamental transformation”.

Now, despite all the nay-saying and concerted efforts by an extremist political organization, he’s managed to reverse nearly every one of those situations. We have been climbing out of that recession for the last three years rather than sinking deeper. We are out of one of those two wars and expect to be out of the other before the end of 2014–maybe even before the end of this year. Our jobs are not being outsourced–at least, not in the numbers they were. Ford did survive the recession and with a combination of Bush’s and Obama’s efforts (Bush originally signed the auto bailouts) GM and Chrysler are making profits again and Chrysler is actually growing stronger–bringing in new car lines which are superior to the ones they made while under Benz. Even more, the NYSE Dow is at its highest point since 2007–a time before Obama took office after it reached its low point just one year later. All this, by the way, with the Tea Party and others doing everything they could to make him fail.

Am I and my friends on a stable career path and expecting to move into higher-paying jobs? Yes. The economy IS recovering and at least some American companies are acting on that–hiring and promoting those who are actually capable of doing their jobs correctly. I have CHOSEN to dine out less often because dining out costs far more than eating in and the quality of the food is questionable in many places–not because of the cooking methods, but rather because of the additives found in so many pre-processed foods. You see, I also plan to improve my own health by eating better, not more. And while I and my family don’t need to take advantage of Obama’s health care system, we do know many people who need that system–because there are those in our politics who simply don’t understand that women’s health is at least as important as men’s and think women have these “magical abilities” to prevent unwanted children from rape and don’t have to worry about gynecological cancers.

Our country started downhill long ago and if you really bother to examine our history, you’ll see that the only times our economy and our lifestyles were on the rise, it was the Democrats who were in office while it was the Republicans who put us into nearly every single war in which our country has been involved–including Vietnam. Strangely–if you really bother to check, you’ll find that the Old South–at the dawn of the Confederacy–was Democratic, not Republican, at least in name.

Obama has “fundamentally transformed” our nation from where it was going. I’m sorry it’s not the direction you were hoping it would go, but if you really want all those Africans and whomever else, feel free to invite them. Then, when they take your job you can only blame yourself for your loss.

What are you smoking?GM still owes the taxpayers billions of dollars and will never pay it back. The head of the Jobs council is the head of GE which has outsourced 2/3 of its jobs. It was abolished a few days ago and only met 4 times in the last two years. How many jobs do you GM outsources overseas?Unemployment has increased again and is now at 7.9% which was it was in 2008.When your ldol took office the Deficit was at 10 trillion and the Democrats had already had control of both Houses for two years. It is now at 16.5 trillion. This is over a 60 percent increase in 4 years and your idol promised to halve the Deficit(reduce it by 50%). This is your idea of progress?

Think on where we would be if he had not STOPPED it at that point. An economy is like a train–it takes a long time to bring it to a halt and reverse direction. However, in a mere three years from that point he has managed to reverse that slide–DESPITE the efforts of the Republican-dominated house. Unemployment rose to over 8% and his efforts have dragged it down below that point–again DESPITE the efforts of the BIG MONEY that spent over $500 million trying to overthrow him. Do you think those bigwigs are happy that they wasted so much money? How many of those who only barely retained their offices do you think they’ll support next time?

Try looking at the issues from the outside–take yourself out of the equation and ask, “who, really, is trying to take over our country, Big Business, or a single man?”

You people just don’t get it. If we the people don’t stop Washington in the next few months we have just had the last election in this country until after the war.

We are in trouble. I belong to a Home Owners assoc mostly for information. Recently meetings were rescheduled because they were on nights where they couldn’t watch Dancing with the Stars or other programs. They got upset when I asked if they had heard of VCRS , DVD Recorders and Tivo so they could talk about negatives in the community

eddie-weddie, you ask daleh “Why do you have a continued love affair with hating others and wanting continued war with other nations and their people?” There was nothing in daleh’s post about “hating” anyone; there was nothing in daleh’s post about “wanting continued war” with any other nation “and their people”. That makes you, eddie-weddie, a TROLL. But we already knew that…

You won’t abandon you friends next door and will help them mow their lawn but if they file a law suit against the neighbor that you saw set fire to their house that is non of your concern, you don’t need to back them in their fight. GOOD GOING. This the the whole problem with the world today, people don’t care about people anymore. We won’t go to the aid of a woman being raped to stop it but we will stand back and proclaim how bad it was. I do believe that people outside looking in on America can see more clearly what is happening than we can. GUN CONTROL? Ask the people of Australia how gun control works for them. There are plenty of gun, all in the hands of the criminals. I have stated before that the people of this country get dumber every day and every day they insist on proving me right. Prohibition did not stop the flow of alcohol, and gun control will not stop the flow of guns, the criminals will be well armed and able to sell you tax free any type of weapon you desire and you won’t have to get a back ground check. When will the people of this country learn from their own mistakes. Again as I have said before, lots of book learning, not a lick of common sense

Eddie47d

There was no or wanting wars in my post–I merely stated that the next Sec of State committed treason back in the 70′s when he met with the enemy ( North Vietnamese) in Paris , France , while still a Junior US Naval Officer –he was not any type of legal representative of the US, — he was the same as Jane Fonda , her husband Tom Hayden—and some of the other turncoats that supported the Communists—

As for War, I know what War is from personal experience –Combat in Korea as a US Marine BARman/ Rifleman, 1951-52

Hate in my post ?? no , but i do not like anyone that will turn against his/her country and support the enemy we were or are fighting—kerry did that and right now your presiednt couldn’t care less about the US if it does not fit his program of chnaghing it to a Communist State, where the govt controls everything–if you can’tsee what is happening before our very eyes, then you must be blind or just a troll for the leftists and don;t wnat to see—

Yes Daleh Kerry woke up to the lies about the Vietnam War long long long before you did and apparently you still haven’t woken up from your slumber. Have a nice time endorsing our next false flag war for they will surely come!

eddie47d, I do believe that it is difficult for you to understand what is occurring in our country. I do not think most who hold your position will understand ( Israel’s ) until Cities such as El Paso, San Diego, Brownsville, etc….. start receiving RPGs launched into their towns from across the border, and having no way to respond as it is not a declared war from Mexico but merely a terrorist group that OUR own government helped arm.

I see you must have pulled out your dictionary and looked up what the definition of a false flag operation is. If that be the case, then you must also understand that they are not only used by Governments ( not just ours ) to initiate illegal wars, but to create war internally upon the people it is sworn to protect, (AKA fast & furious, Sandy Hook, etc…)

This has occurred throughout recorded human history and is not a 21st century ideology. I agree with you that if Israel initiates war with Hezbola/Palestinians then they are on their own. I would advise them to seek statehood and become the 51st state in the Union, but I am certain that that would merely be laughed at ( by Israeli’s) as they must be viewing our country as falling apart from the inside out, and I cannot see a logical nation trying to jump onto such a large sinking ship.

Granting Amnesty to a population ( number unknown ) in our country is not just advocating and reinforcing that “We the People” no longer care about the rule of law, but it sends a message that we do not care if millions more wash up on our shores in direct violation to said laws.

eddie47d. Are you willing to punish those who have chosen to follow our countries immigration requirements by going through the correct channels despite how arduous that path may be? These are the immigrants that I wish to see enter our country and accept the oath to protect liberty. Many who have come to our country illegally are loyal to a paycheck, and not the principles that this country was founded upon.

I have said previously in other posts my positions and actions I would take on Immigration occurring illegally in our country. And I unfortunately can see that this “great fence” that we are using borrowed money to build ( Chinese Steel ) will be as effective as the Great Wall of China was against invading Mongol’s. It is our failed policy with Mexico (NAFTA) that is driving this illegal immigration and although the failing US economy does appear to be reducing those numbers, I have yet to see the mass exodus that I have been praying for.

Lest we fall into Civil War, I doubt we will ever see what desire for freedom lies in the hearts of those who have come upon our shore in violation of our nations laws.

Got that right…..

you are right on the mark.

This is in response to Eddie47d—

kerry woke up from nothing–He got in to the smallboats in Vietnam, cause he planned on being another JFK– but when that did not pan out he turned against the US and his fellow Vietnam vets–the only thing about kerry like John F. Kennedy, was his initials–other than that he has been a phony all his life—

I never said I wanted War , any War, but I did serve my country and am damned proud of that–and I have supported every Veteran on any War the US has fought, no matter where–HAVE YOU ?? Have you supported the US in time of danger ?? From your posts you seem very nieve about the world in general — are you ??

Remember one thing –The US lost the War in Vietnam–POLITICALLY, but never MIlitarily, the Democraps in Congress lost it when they cut of funding as promised to the South Vietnamese—that is a glaring black mark against the Dumbcrap party—–and it’s politicians

Daleh; Yes I was in Vietnam and yes I also woke up about the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” and our excuses for funding that war. Funny how we repeated the same things in Iraq as we send our sheep to slaughter.

Very good question…
Answer it folks.

Harold doesn’t need to: at the rate Obama’s going, we’ll soon be just as corrupt, violent, and impoverished as Mexico.

Robert Smith… My Dad was a WWII vet. He fought so that Harold could express his opinion. I wish I had another place to go live. I have my family to take into consideration, and my job. I cannot believe this is the same country I grew up in. I don’t know when or how the corruption of our government got started, but the present administration is taking it to new levels on a daily basis. I had always thought the USA was the ‘good guys’. The government is turning into our enemy. If you can’t see that, then you are not opening your eyes!

He doesn’t need to go to Mexico. Mexico is coming to him. The government doesn’t even know how many ILLEGAL ALIENS are here but are perfectly willing to invite these criminals to be citizens. Our idiot leaders would rather make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens
of thousands of dollars for the privilege while they discuss letting
anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just ‘magically’ become
American citizizens. What better way to buy votes than with amnesty.

So Robert, are you saying that Obama is un securing the borders so we all can go to Mexico? I don’t think the Mexicans will let us in since they have an immigration policy that will put you in jail for illegal entry, unlike the U.S. Obama policy.

Just wait a little while and at the rate our president is going you will be in mexico anyway bwithout having to move

Robert if you don’t own a gun you had better get one for you are going to need it to protect this government you so strongly believe in. Mass spending driving us to financial destruction. Gun control to keep us from having the weapons they feel will have an effect on their take over, to prevent us from being able to effectively defend ourselves.
I am a disabled Vietnam veteran and have nothing better to do with my time than to talk to people I served with in Vietnam that held positions in government after the war. No I will not give out names for obvious reasons. I will say that anyone that researches the media,Obama,the liberal party, the conservative party, and does so with an open mind can not agree with what our government is going to OUR country. We talk about the politicians not being able to agree and the media lying to us and we get on these sights and argue about trivial things when our freedoms are being destroyed every day. We are being distracted from the facts and fighting one another which is just what they want. While fighting one another we are not watching them. Oh how stupid the Americans have become, lots of book learning, not a lick of common sense.

From Robin: “I cannot believe this is the same country I grew up in. ”

The rich are getting richer by a wide margin. Obama wants to tax some of that. What’s the problem? Why are you blaming Obama for trying to bring things back?

Would you accept Reagan level taxes?

Rob

Eugene says: “Mass spending driving us to financial destruction. ”

Nope. It’s the top 1% who are looting the middle class as they put more money in their pockets and send jobs away.

Rob

They’re not listening, Robert.

Didn’t you see this? “We are being distracted from the facts and fighting one another which is just what THEY want. While fighting one another we are not watching THEM”.

The one who wrote that is allowing himself to be “distracted”—-he is fighting the enemies his “handlers” have implanted in his subconscious (THEY)——and not watching the “them” that you and I and a few others have pointed out so many times.

Wade:

No offense to you but “WE” did NOT “put bozo back in!”

WHO becomes “the most powerful person in this country” never has been, isn’t now, and never will be “We, the People’s” decision! Get used to that REALITY, Patriot!

Since November, more and more “legitimate evidence” has been presented to prove OUTRAGEOUS, BRAZEN VOTER FRAUD in that (so-called!) “election” and here’s the undeniable confirmation that WE, THE PEOPLE had NO SAY AT ALL in that monster owning OUR White House for the second time!! Wait for it . . .

“Those who CAST the votes decide NOTHING. Those who COUNT the votes decide EVERYTHING!”
–Josef Stalin, heinous murderer of millions!

I think i just peed myself laughing so hard at lindymae’s comment.

Because there is nothing. Nice try nitwit.

As if you don’t knee-jerk a blow any time a posting even might be critical of Maobama.

Actually, it’s likely that they DO have something else in mind. Our govt’s secrets have secrets.

But: they’re practicing war in the middle of US cities at the same time, claiming it’s for practice in other cities. Without proper notice to locals. They don’t know what’s going on until they see the helicopter shooting blanks at cars on the highway. If this was practice for outside our country, there would be no need to take civilians by surprise…there’s a lot of things that don’t quite add up.

Heck most of these old systems never worked properly anyway, When i worked security for DOD we pulled a inspection on a base in calif, Had something to do with the TS space div. We found out that 1/3 of the system was defective, The security police said this system was like this from the 1st day it was installed and never got the contractor to fix the problem, When our report was filed, The Gov issued a several million dollor NEW contract with the same contractor that had installed the original system, NO rebates, NO punishment.

Eddie, i have a question for you. Is there ANYTHING that Obama could do that would make you not defend him? If he killed a baby or a puppy live on TV would you still find some way to say that there is nothing to see here, no big deal, Bush did it blah blah blah. I mean seriously is there ANY situation that would make you think differently about him?

Rhcrest: “is there ANY situation that would make you think differently about him?”

Might you get several others on this forum who have been particularly nasty to Obama to answer the same question?

Rob

Rob. It must be very difficult for you to drink Kool Aid while your head is buried in the sand. Bush did not start the war In Iraq. Both houses of Congress voted for it. Obama increased the troops in Afghanistan by 30,000 men. Obama did not end the war in Iraq,Bush had already signed the Withdrawal Iraq and your Obama tried to get them extended but the Iraqi government would not agree to immunity for our troops. This is exactly why I stated that people are Naive Misinformed and, Uninformed .Actually they display their ignorance when they make such absurd comments. Did you forget when your idol Obama said he would halve the Deficit in his campaign of 2008?. Did you forget when Obama criticized others for increasing the Debt Limit?It was 10 trillion when Bush left office and the last two years of the Bush Administration had the Democrats in control of both houses of Congress. It just passed 16.5 trillion. Are you Brain Dead?

@Charles Moore: Wrong! The Bush administration lied to all Americans and the Congress when he asked for permission to start those wars; he specifically qualified his request with the statement with the words, “… in the event we determine it is necessary” and immediately–even before the ink was dry–declared the war as “necessary”. Even his Secretary of State resigned, stating that he had been lied to when he made his own recommendation for the declaration of war.

Iraq was unnecessary–just a former President’s son wanting to finish the job his father had backed away from as harmful to world peace. It looks to me like his father was right since our world and our country is in far worse shape than where George H. W. Bush and his successor left it.

Wow . Do you guys realize there are oher channels other then FOX News & maybe you’ll hear real news not fantasy news.

Eddie, get your head back into the sunshine. This person is evil and is out to destroy the once greatest country in the world. I hope that makes you happy.

There’s going to be lots of sunshine here in Denver for a full week Betty come on out and enjoy it instead of wallowing in your doom and gloom world. Did you know I replied to rhcrest above 3 times and each time my comment was deleted. Naw they wouldn’t do that now would they? America is still a great country and you fail to see the positive!

Well eddie47d, Let’s hope that your assumption is correct. My confidence in Barack and this present administration on integrity is ZERO !!! My comfort level is also a big fat ZERO… The way Barack and his administration usurp our Constitution, deflate our military, GIVE our best aircraft and tanks away for FREE, to a known Muslim Brotherhood leader/supporter in Greece, not to mention that this is hundreds, upon hundreds of millions of dollars that OUR COUNTRY needs… Leaves very little confidence.

@rhcrest – Yes there is something Obama can do that eddie won’t approve of and no longer worship him as a God – Take eddies food stamps and obama phone away and he will no longer worship his master Obama

Wetbacks= illegal = criminals. United=organized crime. Assisting them == accesoty to organized crime. Supplying them with weapons so their cartels can fight Americans on their land equals treason. Muslims excempt from the laws of our land. Time to wake up and smell the coffee. Obama wants unrestricted access to the United States for the wetbacks, the cartels, the muslims, and free passes for the gays. What is this piece of
feces doing in the white house??

Lets see … Giving muslim brotherhood 20 fighter jets … Then shutting down our major servailance security systems along our southern boarder ……. geeee ….. I wounder what obozos promised the brotherhood now ..?…?…?…?………… Just Sayin’ ……..

got that right need to send that thing trying to write the gun laws with him she grew up iran you do know they bought millions of hollow points for domestic use

Somebody has really brainwashed D.W,.
1. The mother of the shooter in Sandy Hook Ct. was a gun collector and had 37 guns. It is unlikely that she had them locked up as the kid was able to obtain them. The mother of the shooter also took him to the shooting range with her as she was afraid to leave him alone. What sort of moron exposes a kid that at a minimum has social problems to guns?
2. The strictest gun laws in the U.S. are Wash D,C, and Chicago Ill. Check thoraeir crime rates.
3. The shooter in Aurora was seeing a Psychiatrist.
4. The shooter of the Congress woman in Arizona and his parents had both received a letter from the college of the shooter that he would not allowed to return to college until he was cleared by a mental health official because of his behavior. What is disgraceful is the husband of the Congress woman appearing before Congress and using his wife to gain sympathy because of her. This abolishing of clips larger than 10 rounds is sheer nonsense. A person can load and shoot three ten round clips in about 30 seconds for a total of 30 rounds,

When are the brain dead, clueless and naive going to wake up and when are people that allow and do not report friends and relatives with mental health issues and stop making moronic statements about hollow point bullets and larger clips etc?