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The Gun Fight Will Be Local

January 25, 2013 by  

The Gun Fight Will Be Local
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Senator Dianne Feinstein (Communist-Calif.) introduced her draconian and unConstitutional bill to ban weapons with scary-looking features and high-capacity magazines and create a national registry system yesterday. It was classic sleight of hand.

The bill was introduced with sound and fury by a person who has stated it’s her goal to confiscate every firearm in America. It was done in violation of Washington, D.C.’s existing gun laws. Of course, laws don’t apply to the 1 percent (just ask David Gregory). They get special exemptions and specially exempted body guards to watch over them. Over the course of the coming days, the gun grabbers will hail her as a heroine.

The CINO (conservative in name only) Republicans in Congress will wail and gnash their teeth. Threatened by Tea Party challenges from the right and the National Rifle Association, most will not cave.

Senators are already indicating that passing a gun ban will be a tough sell. And Congressional Republicans — who have already alienated conservative Americans by agreeing to an unConstititutional fiscal cliff deal that raised taxes on 77 percent of the population — would be committing suicide by passing more gun laws.

That’s not to say you can ignore Congress. Lawmakers will do all they can to walk the tightrope between what their masters want (disarmament of Americans) and what the voting population and the NRA will endure.

The real gun grab is coming by stealth. President Barack Obama’s (Fascist-Who knows where?) bank, Bank of America has frozen the accounts of two gun manufacturers. Another gun manufacturer has had his liability insurance, held by GEICO, cancelled because his vehicle “does not meet our underwriting guidelines because it is used in conjunction with a company that deals in the weapons industry.” GEICO, of course, is owned by Obama’s BFF, Warren Buffett.

On the State level, gun rights are being snatched overtly and covertly. New York just rammed through a comprehensive gun ban that will allow weapons to be confiscated once the original owner dies. It will also institute a database of gun owners and require re-registration every five years.

In Missouri, the Senate is considering a bill that would require a parent or guardian of a Missouri school student to notify the school board in writing that he or she owns a firearm. Parents of children who commit crimes with guns would be prosecuted as felons.

Though ordered by a recent Federal appeals court to create a law that would allow for concealed carry in Illinois, gun grabbers there are rather seeking ways to circumvent the ruling and keep guns in the hands of criminals but away from law-abiding citizens.

States like Texas, Wyoming, Tennessee, South Dakota and South Carolina have bills pending before their legislatures that would block enforcement of unConstitutional Federal firearms laws. Other States like Pennsylvania, Alabama and perhaps a dozen more, have pro-gun rights bills set for their next sessions.

Dozens of local sheriffs have declared that they will defend the Constitution and resist unConstitional gun laws. The real gun fight will go on at the State and local levels.

Meanwhile, the gun grabbers and Obama through his executive orders are Balkanizing America. It seems that disarmament and division are their main goals, and they’re using children as human shields. And don’t forget, they’ve accumulated billions of rounds of ammunition to deal with those who won’t peaceably comply.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://Yahoo Charlie

    There are some very good comments here but it is only the tip of the iceberg that our communist leaders are pushing. Our government scares the hell out of me, if you just
    watch what they are attempting to take away from us, we are broke now and Obummer wants to push billions of dollars in debt on us with Obamacare. Who is going to pay for all of this. Our government is definately headed in the wrong direction and it is time we take it back while we still can. There are so many people in the US that are a bunch of spineless idiots.

  • CommonSense

    When will these morons realize that one more law will not fix the problem. How many laws did the Sandy Hook shooter violate? He would suddenly be stopped by a new law? We have laws that make it illegal to bring drugs into this country. Do we have a problem with drugs? We have laws that make it illegal to cross the border into America. Do we have a problem with illegal immigrants? Common sense people – laws are ignored by criminals – that’s what makes them criminals. How about stiffer penalties. If the shooter is alive after the shooting, give him his speedy trial, and if convicted, he should immediately face the firing squad. No death row for years at the taxpayers expense. Incarcerate, hold a trial, convict and execute. These people will break the law and unfortunately, they are innocent until proven guilty. Once found guilty, relieve society of their burden.

    • Motov

      Hitting liberals with logical reasoning, is such a waste of effort, all they do is feel for others (Except for conservatives),….what ever that means

      • eddie47d

        Heck Motov I say the same exact thing about Conservatives all the time in their irrational posts. LOL!

      • JeffH

        eddie, you’ve been saying stupid things for 3+ years here and you’ve been lying for 3+ years here. New posters recognize your stupidity right away and those that have been here long enough have long recognized that you have no credibility, besides recognizing your ignorance and propensity to speak the languahge of untruths.

      • eddie47d

        Speak of irrational posts and Jeff H shows up. Go figure! Must be the magnetism! LOL!

      • JeffH

        Wrong again eddie, it ain’t the magnetism that lures me in, it’s that you’re an easy mark. You know, the invitation written all over your face that says “I’m stupid and I love to be abused”.

      • Bill

        And Don’t forget that Eddie sided with China and said we should give up our guns because we owe them money.

        Eddie will lie and say anything to push his political agenda.

      • Jana

        Bill,
        That’s for sure. Eddie and Right Brain are both paid to be on this site as disruptors.

  • SamJS

    People who subscribe to Feinstein’s way of thinking believe an assault weapon ban will produce an immediate result and that’s a LIE. In her own word she said if you own an assault weapon now, nobody is going to take it away, pay a tax and it’s yours until you die. For some that may be 60 to 80 years down the road. So those guns will still be out there for some time, in the hands of law abiding citizens. That won’t stop the criminals at all, even 60 to 80 years from now. They will still get their assault weapons and machine guns, rocket launchers or whatever else they want from outside sources. No ban no law affects the criminals, it only affects the Law Abiding Citizens.

    Mother Jones did an article about Mass Shootings in the US from 1982 to 2012. 63 Mass Shooting during that 30 year period.l Feinstein’s definition of assault rifles were only used in less than 30% of those shootings, and accounted for an average of 4 lives per year over that 30 year period. So the rights of over 80 million citizens are to be denied for 4 lives a year? If the point was saving lives, and NOT generating more money for the government through taxation… remember Feinstein’s ban requires owners pay $200 TAX for each firearm plus $200 TAX for registration, plus $200 per transfer.

    IF the reason was to save lives, require breathalyzers to be installed in all motor vehicles, where the care can’t be started without it engaged or if you’re above the legal limit. Make it illegal to house children above the first floor of any building to protect them from falls. Post a police officer in every home with children to protect them from abuse by their parents. ALL of those would make a huge difference to protect our children over any gun ban that MAY but unlikely will save about 4 lives a year of humans of all ages.

    • ranger09

      Now lets see how much money Calif will rake in if every person PAYED to register ea of his or hers firearms, MILLIONS, Oh well we all know politicians Like our Money.Heck that means they could hire more Govt workers to keep control of all these firearms and Us.

    • Vicki

      SamJS says:
      “No ban no law affects the criminals, it only affects the Law Abiding Citizens. ”

      Which is why I gave “Law Abiding Citizens” a number so that we could compare them to the few who commit crimes.

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

  • Chris

    I do not own a gun but strongly stand up for the right to own one (2nd amendment). The video in the first comment above makes a good point………first registration, then confiscation. The video mentions how this will be paid for, but does not mention “taxpayers”! If the government continues to have it’s way, you’ll be lucky if you are allowed to own a popgun. If all guns eventually wind up being banned, those who are against guns “WILL” WISH THEY HAD ONE! History has PROVEN this. Don’t be stupid folks…………DON’T EVER GIVE UP YOUR FREEDOMS! Write to the President and your congresspeople AND Dianne Feinstein and complain about the stupid gun laws being proposed. If you wanted to kill someone, there are plenty of other ways to do it……….you don’t need a gun……..BUT…….you WILL need a gun if faced with another gun………..and we all know who has plenty of THOSE.

    • http://PersonalLiberty kajunhunter

      AMEN!

  • Jamie

    I say : place a Ban on Scary Looking Senators and any other political know it all ,
    charge them with back stabbing treason for trying to make America even more unsafe place. for the Elites gain only.

  • Charles of Waveland,MS.

    We The People need to use FORCE and confiscate all guns from Dianne Feinstein and every person in Congress that wants gun control including most all liberals nation wide.

  • Carl C

    I do believe that there are youth that should not be spending excessive time on these games that brainwash minds into thinking they can transfer the game into real life. Now for my answer to this problem. Most problems can be controlled by the parents PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, they are the ones that should have control of what their children are doing. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY has nearly disappeared from our lives.

    • Motov

      So has common sense, common curtesy, and respect for your elders.

    • http://PersonalLiberty kajunhunter

      Carl, I believe that would work IF parents or guardians actually had as much influence as peers. Unfortunately, the real truth is, from my personal experience, is that I raised my boys to respect other and to deal rationally at every possible opportunity. However, young people tend not to listen to “authority” such as their parent or teachers as much as they like to appear “cool” to their peers. Would it only be that the first were so, but we live in a world where that is one of the most unlikely answers.

  • Motov

    BEST WORDED PRO-GUN ARGUMENT I’VE HEARD.

    As the Supreme Court heard arguments for and against the Chicago , IL Gun
    Ban, this man offered you another stellar example of a letter (written by a
    Marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a
    civilized society.

    Interesting take and one you don’t hear much. . . . . .

    Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last
    paragraph of the letter….

    “The Gun Is Civilization” by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.
    If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either
    Convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of
    force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories,
    without exception.

    Reason or force, that’s it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through
    persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and
    the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as
    paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason
    and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or
    employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal
    footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with
    a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload
    of drunken guys with baseball bats.

    The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between
    a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force
    equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all
    guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a
    [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s
    potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative
    fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
    young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a
    civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful
    living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
    otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
    several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
    physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal
    Force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with
    a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works
    solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both
    are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian
    as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as
    a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but
    because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot
    be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because
    it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who
    would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would
    do so by force. It removes force from the equation… and that’s why
    carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

    So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed
    and can only be persuaded, never forced.

    • JUSTIFIED

      Samuel Colt use to advertise his “Peacemaker” as the ultimate “Equalizer”. A well armed society is, out of necessity, a polite and respectful society. A Freeman will utilize any implement or means of defense to prevent harm to himself, his family, or his sovereign Nation, or prevent his personal property from being damaged or stolen. Personal guns are necessary so that the individual citizen is on a more equal footing with his armed adversaries. The Government, having too much power, has become ultimately corrupted. Obviously sheep, by their operational definition, are devoid of menacing teeth or sharp claws. Sheep get sheared regularly, have no threatening means of self defense, and are eventually butchered by their Masters, or succumb to a well armed predator. Sheep, it is time to find your cojones, or grow some, because your time is very short. You have a God given right to preserve and maintain your life, liberty, and property, and these scheming snakes are incrementally trying to castrate you, thinking you won’t notice or become motivated to act in self defense. Are you Freemen or subjects of a self serving, dictatorial government? Working within the system, we need to form and fuel a third, constitutionally based, Political Party, that will overthrow the corrupt clowns we suffer currently. If this Nation does not abruptly turn back from the dark path it is taking, it will not survive. The level of corruption, negligent incompetency, and selfishness that characterizes our Government’s actions, defies any explanation and boggles the imagination. Our Government is not “of the people, by the people, or for the people” any longer. It is a living, self serving entity, and we are but tools and fodder.

    • http://PersonalLiberty kajunhunter

      Sir, in reading your statement, I have never heard such a well thought out, succinct, yet clarified explanation of the topic. I think it can be read by either the “super intelligent” or a common citizen such as I and be understood immediately. I want you to know that I admire and concur with everything you said.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Thanks, motov—-that is a well-written piece and I agree with what he has said.
      It IS eloquent , but it unfortunately addresses only part of the PROBLEM. And to all those folks who have gone into screaming hissy-fits of rage over what I posted here, read it again and again until you truly understand what I said rather than what you WANT it to say.

      THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S. .
      NEARLY 2/3 OF THEM ARE SUICIDES

      THERE ARE ~11,000 GUN HOMICIDES EACH YEAR IN THE U.S.

      THERE ARE ~600 ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S.
      MANY IF NOT MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN

      THERE ARE ~200,000 GUN-RELATED INJURIES A YEAR IN THE U.S.

      STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM
      STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR
      STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION

      STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS
      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      • S.C.Murf

        RBT I have one question for you, do you really believe that our govt. leaders (these lying, cheating, immoral, satanic, evil, vile people) can come up with, as you call it a common sense regulation with out any other hidden agenda? And I am not being paranoid, I’ve opened my eye’s and witnessed what they are capable of. The proof is in what they do not what they say.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • momo

        RBT, what you say has some merit, however, I’ve seen a country that has gun control and what has happened there. I live eight miles from the Mexican border, and while I used to like going over there to eat once and awhile, I can assure you I haven’t set foot in that country since the shootouts on the border began in 2010. While the Mexican people are not allowed guns, the cartels are armed like a modern army, and not afraid to go “hot”. If you own a business there, you will be extorted, don’t pay, your loved ones will be kidnapped, don’t pay the ransom, they’ll end up dead. Everthing that moves on the roads in Mexico is subject to a “toll”, don’t pay the toll and you’ll model 7.62mm holes. Shipping something over there on a truck or importing something from there, its subject to a “duty”, don’t pay, then you lose your merchandise or end up dead. You might think the police or military might defend the people, but you’d be mistaken, they’re bought and paid for by the cartels. Sure there is an occassional shootout with the military, but usually they stay away. Now with the Partido Institutional Revolucionario (PRI) back in power things will begin to calm down, they’re on the take and always have been. Why does all this happen? People can’t defend themselves, they been disarmed by their own government for their own good, now they’re paying the price, but the fat cats in government aren’t. Is that what you want the USA to look like? Not me, I take my chances with a gun in my hands.

      • speedle

        Unh…..It’s Mr. nonsensical Right Brain Thinker again spouting out his usual placards and talking points. Would it make you feel any better if those 30,000 deaths each year from guns were instead from various other weapons (knives, baseball bats, chains, poisons, chain saws, fireplace pokers, ropes…etc.)? And all those suicides, would it make you happy if the statistics were the same as guns, but substitute jumping off buildings and bridges, carbon monoxide, poison, working for Bill Clinton, etc.?

        What exactly is your point?

      • Motov

        Rotten Brain Fart,…. Inanimate objects do not go around killing people
        People kill people and the Number one killer of people are abortion Doctors, not gun toting criminals.

      • phideaux

        “Right Brain Thinker again spouting out his usual placards and talking points. Would it make you feel any better if those 30,000 deaths each year from guns were instead from various other weapons (knives, baseball bats, chains, poisons, chain saws, fireplace pokers, ropes…etc.)?”

        RBT thinks someone killed by guns are somehow more dead than someone killed by other methods.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        ” And to all those folks who have gone into screaming hissy-fits of rage over what I posted here, read it again and again until you truly understand what I said rather than what you WANT it to say.”

        Not quite sure which “here” RBT Meant but to what he wrote next I have answered point by point here
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/25/the-gun-fight-will-be-local/#comment-821387

      • Vicki

        momo says:
        “RBT, what you say has some merit, however, I’ve seen a country that has gun control and what has happened there”

        Unfortunatly what RBT said has no merit (presumes you mean the parts he wrote in capital letters. )

        Here are my comments to each of his statements
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/25/the-gun-fight-will-be-local/#comment-821387
        .

  • dg

    The mass killers are all mentally ill – Lanza, Holmes, Loughner, etc. So why do they walk among us? Because the previous generations of liberal politicians demanded laws that “respect their rights”, meaning that they are no longer kept in and treated in secure facilities. 40-50 years ago these same people would have been held for treatment until it was safe for them to be out in public. The solution seems obvious and it isn’t gun control… Will the politicians never learn about unintended consequences and wise up?

  • Ben

    As Sigmund Freud wrote in his “General Introduction to Psychoanalysis” in 1952, “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.”

    How else do you explain that liberal Democrats find a right to abortion emanating from the penumbra of the Constitution, but cannot seem to find any individual right at all in the Second Amendment?

    • SonnySteel

      Yes I have noticed that the liberals are cowardly, like being pro-abortion that’s about as cowardly as you can get. They believe in their own reality whatever they want it to be. They are totally dishonest if they can say with a straight face that the constitution allows for the banning of any gun rights. They believe basicly that they are their own gods. Thats why they can say it’s ok to get a divorce without cause, get an abortion, As Ronald Reagan once said “I notice the only people who think abortion is ok have already been born.” violate the constitution, take away peoples gun rights and their ability to defend themselves from criminals and traitors. Yes they are traitors because the US Constitution allows loyal Americans our second amendment rights. It’s stage one thinking using only their emotions and not logic.

  • http://donthaveawebsite mike sehr

    when the govt. finally bans all weapons like hitler did, there are alot of people that are not giving them up for anything. politicians want there children and themselves protected by body gaurds, cause they have the money, but the lower class are not alowed to protect ourselves. not right. i will protect my family and property till the death. at least i will die for what i belive in! not like some fool liberal cowering in his house like a scared rabbit. im not giving them up for nothing, viva la revolution!!!!!!!

    • sheep dog on patrol

      Mike, It’s not just becxause they have money. Stop and think of who is paying for all of their bodyguards…….US! The reason they want all the protection they can get is because they know what they are doing is treasonous and they know the possibility we will rise up and come after them is very real. Which would you rather face, a cat with claws and fangs or one that has been declawed and defanged? This is how they think and what they are up to. These gun grabbing, freedom theiving people in our government are not our people. They are our enemy……the DOMESTIC enemy.

      • Motov

        You certainly nailed that one! It’s all for the elite, and nothing for the peasants who support their sorry butts!

    • Leroy

      Molon Labe

  • sheep dog on patrol

    “It is also reported FEMA and ATF was present in the same town of Newtown that day and two days before, conducting an exercise on post psychological training following a mass shooting of kids. Interestingly, this same video purports this same group from FEMA and ATF were in Aurora and Va Tech just days before the mass shootings, conducting similar exercises. What is being said now is there were two shooters at Sandy Hook and a video show police chasing some guy into the woods, but for some reason, this video has vanished. Interestingly, reports said the shooter used an AR15 type rifle to kill the 20 children and teachers. In fact, he was found to have on his person, four handguns and the AR15 was found in the trunk of his car.”

    The above information came from an honored and decorated, retired law enforcement officer.

    Is there anyone here who suspects the Federal Government of being responsible for these incidents? Can anyone here find it possible that all of these shootings were orchestrated by a government intent on doing whatever it took to confiscate guns through controlled public emotional conditioning? I can! Has everyone here already forgotten Eric Holder’s Operation Fast and Furious? The debachal that has now claimed the lives of over 500 Mexican nationals and two of our own agents? The operation that was supposed to be a “tracking” operation to find out where guns were going after being given to known cartel members but was actually an operation to intentionally make repuitable gun dealers look like common criminals? This government led by the likes of Obama, Hillary Clinton, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Eric Holder, Barney Franks and the likes is not beyond doing ANYTHING when it comes to their Communist agendas.
    Remember this, once Adolph Hitler came to power, his main agenda was to disarm the citizens of Germany and create a police state. Everything, EVERYTHING that is happening right now in America is exactly the same and is following the same path as Hitler took in Germany. History is repeating itself. Now, here is our choice. We can either stand and fight these TYRANICAL theives of freedom, or we can allow ourselves to be rounded up after our guns are gone and be hearded into their FEMA camps for the genocide. THAT IS their agenda. In order for their plan to work and be completed, anyone who does not think as they do must be eliminted. As for me, I can do no less than what our founding fathers did to secure our God Given freedoms. If MY life is to be taken from me, let it be defending freedom for all……not wasted in some government maned reconditioning facility. How I live my life will always be my choice…..not that of Barack Obama or Diane Feinstein. Too many of our warriors have given their lives for our precious freedoms to allow these theives to continue their incidious attacks.

    • http://PersonalLiberty kajunhunter

      Sheep dog your are 1000% on the money. If others would bother to check out history a bit they would discover many many things that line up with prior history by Hitler.

      Now according to the article itself, I think we all should vote with our wallet. Bank of America has been jacking over many honest American companies because they are associated with guns and or ammo. I say we all pull our money out and go to another bank. Then don’t stop there send Obama’s bud Mr. Buffett a message by switching your insurance to many other top rated insurers and send them a message also. The only thing these big folks understand is the bottom line which is MONEY. I know that when they ask why we are leaving we can then tell them. Not one shot fired either. Let’s get busy.

      • sheep dog on patrol

        Don’t forget Progressive Ins. as well. They are in the Obama camp full on. I cancelled my motorcycle insurance with them as soon as I learned about “FLO’S” boss and his political affiliation.

        Remember this, when the first shots are fired, the government will impose martial law and begin trying to confiscate our guns…….all for our own safety. BS! It will be at this point that each of us will have to decide to surrender or stand and fight. As for me, I intend for the body bags to be for them. How can they possible be so stupid that they would think that we will allow ourselves to be hearded up into train cars like the Jews did in Germany? BTW, what kind of name IS Feinstein?

      • Motov

        More accurate “Frankenstein”

    • Hedgehog

      Well said Sheep Dog! I think of it as the Nth amendment or the unstated amendment.YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DIE! If you give up the right to die you are a slave.

    • Leroy

      Interesting screen name; If humans were as loyal and loving and forgiving, and as patient or protective with one another as our dogs are we would not be having these discussions.

      • Vicki

        Humans are if you train (i.e. raise them) properly.

  • Big Al

    Viloent crime especially with firearms has been cut in 1/2 since 1991. The data shows clearly more Americans armed less vilolent crime. The highest crime rates are in Lib& dem area where the popoulation is mostly a welfare state.
    Obama…1st thing Nov 7th…the day after election…your telling me the most important thing on the emperors mind is signing a rough draft of a UN small arms ban…
    DO NOT make the mistake that this is about me, you or your children…this is about an evil man’s plans to disarm the citizens for his totalitarian regime & the destruction of Israel & the US

    Oh & right brain…I have yet to meet a lib with the capacity the use their brain

    • Mike in MI

      Big Al -
      RongBrainTinker’s problem is he’s operating at a severe disadvantage:
      He thinks himself to be superior to normal people in that he operates out of what he thinks is the “higher”, more desirable and more effectual side of the brain. Actually, without the countervailing and balancing effects of the left side’s operations he comes up as less than human. We were designed to function with both sides working in order to be fully human.
      So, insisting that he is a bigger or better man than we poor mortals are because he doesn’t value the left brain’s qualities makes him nearly equal to septic tank sludge in the full scheme and design for living life.
      Don’t envy him his conceit. Pity him for his ignorance.

  • http://freeisrael.wordpress.com/ freeisrael

    It’s high time to publish lists of Democrats who do not possess guns. The burglars, rapists and murders need to know…..

    • sheep dog on patrol

      Feinstein herself admits to carrying a firearm and when her jet lands at the Aspen, Colorado airport, she has a nice following of heavily armed body guards. You see, it’s just fine for her and all her entourage to have guns, but not us. This hypocritical swamp witch is the soloist in the orchestra of anti-freedoms and is surely on our list of who’s who in America’s Domestic Enemies.

      BTW, Yes, she does own a home in Aspen. After all, she is one of our elitists. One of the 1% ‘ers that all of them tell us are evil.

    • Gary

      Amen to that! Let the criminals the libs support, have their way with cowardly limp-wristed bleeding hearts! I hate these communists with a severe passion! Time to turn the tables on them. It’s time to fight, literally, if they try to ban OUR guns!!!!

    • Jana

      This shows Feinstein is a hypocrite. We are supposed to do as we are told according to her.
      NO! She is supposed to represent the people, not be our dictator.

  • Elton

    Jeff, Patrick Henry, Others, stick to your guns. I think there are more of us out there than the liberal elitists realize. I don’t own many guns, but when they come for them I am more than willing to shed blood, mine or thiers, for the sake of freedom for my children and grandchildren.

    • Steve E

      I’m with you on that.

  • robert

    If they bother to check, crime rate in the countries that confiscated guns doubled. In china a man went to a grade school and slashed thirty kids with a knife. Don’t matter what those commies in office do, they will never stop crime. But taking guns away, makes the people easy targets.

    • Ted Crawford

      In Australia they are experiencing an entirely NEW form of violence as a result of their Idiotic gun ban! Prior to the implementation of the gun ban, the crime of “Home Invasion” was vitrually unheard of, now it’s rampant! It’s such a new phenomenon, they don’t even have any Legal language to discribe it!

  • Tigerous

    Don’t be surprised at a firearm-related “crisis” – real or manufactured – which won’t be allowed to go to waste, at a key point in the legislative debates over the Feinstein Fandango. You can be sure the mouth-breathing monkeys in this administration are working on one right now.

    • Daryl

      I agree with you and the part is that people with the mentallity like those that are pushing for gun confiscation (ban) don’t really have value for life. The other thing is that they don’t listen to the facts supplied by the FBI that taking or banning guns will due nothing but make crime go up. Last night on O’Reilly they said that crime has gone done with the strict gun bills in NY. Evidently they look at the wrong figures. This white house is not concerned with crime but to make Americans defenseless and these bills that they are trying to get passed are only a fore runner to the UN GUN TREATY.
      PEOPLE GET READY TO FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS EVEN IF IT MEANS DEATH.

    • KenPoland

      And you don’t think the gun industry isn’t taking advantage of the ‘crisis’? Retail shelves are empty. Their paranoid fear mongering has generated more sales than they can support.

      • Ted Crawford

        Identifying your opponant, analyzing, and identifying their tactics and methods and creating an adaquate defense, isn’t considered paranoid by logical people! It’s considered COMMON SENSE !

      • eddie47d

        Common sense gun laws are rational too!

      • Vicki

        KenPoland says:
        “And you don’t think the gun industry isn’t taking advantage of the ‘crisis’? Retail shelves are empty.

        Unlike obamacare the gun industry is not trying to FORCE people to buy their product.

        - KenPoland: “Their paranoid fear mongering has generated more sales than they can support.”

        Since the gun industry is not the ones trying to take away peoples firearms because of a paranoid fear of inanimate objects I find your argument to ridicule a bit suspect.

      • Jana

        Yes Ken Poland,
        Vicki is right.
        The people are responding to the irrational actions of our supposed leaders. the gun industry is doing what it is supposed to do and that is fill the orders that come in to them. This is called capitalism that all of you Socialists hate so much.

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    I keep telling you, start in your own state, with your “Governor” thats the key to this mindless rhetoric from the { 100% criminal ~ federal platform. }

    Don’t get any form of FLU shots, ~ stay away from Doctors and meds, if you can stay away from Malls and large crowds, { just do it } you will understand why in a while.
    Rather than my telling you whats going to happen just keep your bloody eyes open, >> look in to the “Katrina” issue look very deep look into the “”Wistle Blowers”" on it.
    Within are a few nuggets of whats coming.

    ** Get your news from: Steve Quyale, ~ Before its News ~ and yes even Prison Planet, use these to find the slivers of TRUTH out there.

    Have any of you ever built a model kit before?
    If so then you understand that to complete it you need to have a plan, also to make sure all the parts are there, then you start building each section,
    { so its “COMPARTMENTALIZED”} aka ~ “The Lies are differant at every level.”
    This one no one can miss, “Watch the other hand.” as what you see is on the surface, but “whats under the surface is whats really going on.”

    Thats whats happeneing before your eyes. Please ~ Take off the blinders and look around you its all so bloody clear that even the blind can see.
    One step at a TIME and we are now through the doors ~ and in the hall, BUT ~ you still have TIME to fix and or repair the damage, so the kit turns out to YOUR advantage.
    But you really must not follow any of the standard mass medias spining of worthless pernicious rhetoric. “”They are all owned by the very people who want to harm you!”"

    Don’t be your own worst enemy, wake up, > they want you to feel helpless, thats all part of the model kit. your enemy can’t be dismissed as stupid, as they are really VERY smart as they have crafted a plan that is nearly unbreakable,

    So YOU have to ~ ask the Christ to show you the light, he will ~ but you must first allow the Holy SPRIT into your SOUL, thats the Model Kit you have and it will work people.
    ” LOVE, and Kindness, are TOOLS for GOOD.
    { Preform an act of randon Kindness today,} you will see results in seconds. ;-)

    Peace and Love, Shalom May God Bless all of You

    • A Citizen

      TIME

      You have got most of the parts in the right places. I agree 100% that the PEOPLE of AMERICA need to Open their eyes, watch both hands and look carefully beneath, around, and above every nook and cranny. They also need to take a stand for what they need, and once the need is met of all THE PEOPLE in AMERICA we can worry about the wants. This planet was not created for just a few to have it all. We need to worry about our own backyard before we can go into another and try to clean up theirs. We were not placed onto this earth to force others to our ways, we were placed to love, cherish, bond, and learn from one another.

      You are 100% right about the mass media, but why the plug for Steve Quyale or Prison Planet? People of America need to learn to take what is needed and leave the rest behind. They too often pay more attention to the behind stuff in the media(s) and let the needed pass on by. And yes, the enemy does have of very smart plan that they believe is unbreakable; but the one thing about “model kits”, as you call it, is that the glue dries out and the model becomes fragile. Any sudden jerking, roughness, or movement can and usually does cause it to crumble. This is where We The People of America play the important role of taking back OUR COUNTRY.

      It is long pass due for The American People to stand up and hold this Government responsible for their illegal actions against the Constitution. The Government from top to bottom works for us (through our elections). It is time to stop the bullying of the People, to push back, and put all these bullies in their places. It is actually long pass time to remove this government completely and elect everyday citizens to uphold OUR CONSTITUTION and LAWS.

      I could go on and on from here, but I will leave it at this for now. The TOOLS For GOOD are many and only start with LOVE and KINDNESS. Add be compassionate, considerate, and DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO YOU!!!!!!

      God Bless you too!

      • ranger09

        I just wonder what the Future holds, The out look is bad, Because the people have been turned into Sheep for a very long time, So the people just follow the Bell.

      • TIME

        Dear A Citizen,

        I noted the sights for a number of very good reasons, if you have a story line being sold ~ but have only one side that’s being sold, one needs to look beyond that single ray of light.

        Or perhaps better noted as the “20 second sound bite” Thus with Steve Quayls sight you get a unique view point ~ and in most cases its based on intel from people who are still in the LOOP, Just as I pull intel from such persons.

        “Opinions” are being sold, yes I agree with you, ~ but if the opinions are in line with how you see them you get Support that is not being given by the Mass media, nor the criminals within the political structure.

        Saddly in these TIMES of utter insaine media thats Marxist as well Fascist infued Propaganda that folks are being beaten over the head with ~ 24 / 7 ~ 365 days a year, this tends to break the sprit of many.

        So to find a “LIKE MINDED” outlet ~ is a Plus on the Positive side. and many will learn things they had never even thought about. As there are more than one reason for everything, the people who have set up this NWO thing most people don’t understand that its not just them anylonger, now there are other players in the mix with their sights set on their taking the power seat.

        Very few people are strong enough to be “ALPHAS” thus the term thats been coined is the “Normalcy Bias” All in all the average American has no bloody clue whats really going on. so again I come back to a strong support system so they don’t lose sight.
        nor hope.
        The American people can take down whats been built but they first have to understand whats broken and why, who, when, and where it all went wrong, aka to learn from the mistakes made.

        Peace and Love, Shalom,

      • Mike in MI

        TIME – I can’t begin to tell you how much you bless me and in so many ways. You are so-o-o SHARPLY HONED!!! and so-o-o pointedly right. (BTW – It’s so good to see you up on top and out o all funkey stuff. You are THE best.)

        To everybody else –
        Yes, there is a contest in progress for the soul of this nation. If you think you have any reason to believe that God had anything at all to do with the founding of America, … think again. HE HAD EVERYTHING to do with it. He worked hard In, With and For righteous people on behalf of them and their progeny to come.
        That’s you … if the Word of God, Christianity, Spirit, goodness, kindness and “what is right” sparks a glimmer in your heart at any level (… and you don’t have to get paid to write it down – like some of the septic tank sludge that come here).

        God isn’t done with this little experiment yet – not by a long shot. What happens in the Mideast or Asia … or wherever is primarily the concern and responsibility of the people who live in those places. If they want to call on God in the way He has said He’ll hear and respond that’s up to them to figure out and do. He can help them as individuals or as races or as cultures – if they do things right (= His way, like in the book of Acts and Paul’s letters). Our responsibility is here, now, ours.
        Whatever the weapons of the enemies of God and His people may be, God has them one level of magnitude better, at least. Why? ‘Cause He runs the control board which delivers the goods where they are needed, when they are needed, in the quality and quantity needed. If you have trouble believing that – - – read no further.
        His board is governed by the laws of Quantum Mechanics – in that realm “thoughts” determine where the matter and energy are focused. That is one reason why God’s Word and your heart are so important in the contest between Good vs progressives.
        So do we put our guns in array or lay down and expire on this side of the field?

      • Jana

        Time,
        I have Steve Qualy’s site marked now, thank you.

    • Kate8

      TIME and A Citizen – I agree with both of you. It is important to understand the depths of the evil we face, because until we do we are liable to underestimate its power and intent. Besides, the diabolical nature of what’s afoot is so horrifying that it will surely cause the righteous to take a leap in consciousness that we might not otherwise do when life is comfortable…

      After all, isn’t that the point of it all, anyway, in the scheme of things?

      What I don’t care for with Jones is that he promotes fear and powerlessness. He offers no hope for overcoming. I have long suspected that he is controlled opposition, and recent revelations about his associations seem to indicate this. In fact, he is so over the top as to not seem credible to me.

      Quayle seems more authentic to me, but I can’t really trust anyone in the media anymore. The disinfo network is so complete… So it is good to listen to those to whom you are drawn, but keep to a place of observation rather than believing. We are living in a matrix, a world of illusion and deception. When events and issues are commanding attention, always keep an eye on what the other hand is doing. All things will be revealed to those who ask.

      At any rate, I’m so pleased to see people like you who understand that our greatest power lies in our ability to abide in Love and to show kindness to others. No matter what is happening on this earthly plane, God is, was and always will be the Only Power, and of that we can be sure. It’s a strange thing.. The worse things seem to get, the more aware I am of the Presence of Divine Love and Order.

      God bless, and Godspeed.

      • Jana

        Kate8,
        I like to read different people’s opinions and proofs, and if it aligns up with the Word of God then it is truth. Sometimes there is a lot of truth with some inaccuracies but knowing the Word of God will keep us straight.
        I agree with you about Jones, he promotes fear. God does not promote fear He gives us hope. No matter what, we who love the Lord will be all right as God is not mad at us and He will take care of us just as He did the Israelites in the book of Genesis when Moses was dealing with Pharaoh. No matter how severe the plagues were the Israelites were not harmed from any of them. God kept them safe, He will keep us, His own, safe now, as long as we abide in Him.

      • TIME

        Dear Mike & Kate,

        The point of waking is a mulit stage event, and it taks TIME to overcome ~ once you see it.

        This whole thing is really quite overwhelming let alone its hard to believe that like a spyder web its everywhere you look, its in everything you know.
        But what it can not ever permeate is your “SOUL.”

        That is if you will not allow it in, ~ as its just like a Vampire ~ you have to open the door and allow one in. If you have the Christ Grace by way of the Holy Sprit in your Heart and Soul, you have the most efficient weapon in the universe. ” LOVE.”

        We can win over these nasty NWO people, BUT, its not going to be easy, nor will it be clean, and for sure it will not be fun filled.
        We all will be tested by the Christ in a way that only he can test you, thus salvation is based on the single ~ not the mass’s that the “Fraudulent religious” people sell.

        Have no fear as when you have the “Holy Sprit” within you, you will be guided through this matrix.
        As I have said, we who see, will be open to the “HIGHER LEVEL VIBRATION” you will gain a higher level of being, you will become closer to GOD. You will never die.
        So armed with that knoledge you can overcome all.

        We now must stand up and speak out, You all need to write your Governor’s and state body’s and let your views be known, get as many people as you can to do likewise.
        Explain it clearly ~ and with out haste, Tell them you want a State Militia to stand up to all federal troops, or Forgin troops from the UN, or China.
        If your not aware of whats going on with the China connection ~ Please start looking into it. They don’t want money they want “control over this nation.”
        Once you understand the Whole NWO effect this will become very clear.

        Next write your Federal state Law makers and let them know again with out haste you know what acts they have done and what they are doing ~ and you will not take any more of it.
        With these monkeys ~ Call them daily, FAX them daily, write emails daily, make yourself a pain in their ASS ~ get as many people as you can to do like wise, keep their phone lines tied up for years if thats what it takes.
        We Must stop this 2nd Amendment move dead in its tracks, as in “Not one single transgression” can be made. If they get even one ~ then the door is open to the Vampire, get it?

        Tell them to stop with their pernicious acts on your Internet, “YOU the PEOPLE OWN IT~ You paid for it! Not them ~ nor Al Gore.
        Tell them to get the drones out of the sky. Tell them to defund Obama Care NOW,
        Tell them to remove the NDAA ~ the PA, ~ HLS, ~ TSA ~ ALSO Tell them you want Obama brought up on charges of Overt as well Cover Treason, also all persosn who aidded him to power to include John Kerry, H Clinton, Claire Mccaskill Harry Reid, L Graham, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Liberman ~ just to name a few ~ also all media owners and faces, all bankers as in Goldman Sachs their owners as well all involved no matter who they are. Last but not least, “”BRING OUR TROOPS HOME ~ NOW!”"

        As to the media, just don’t watch it, any of it, Don’t buy magazines or news papers {save a forest. } Save your eyes from wacthing these FREAKS on the TUBE., Just stop going to the movies,

        Do Not Have FEAR, Tell them you will not suppot this criminal form of government anylonger ~ also that You will not comply with any federal criminal acts in any way shape nor form. They work for you and not the other way around.

        Tell them You know { the LIE is differant on every level,] and just as the Russian Duma’s fate in 1918 – 1920 ~ their fate will be no differant if they allow what the NWO has in store for all of us. “They will not be spared as what they have been told is a LIE ”

        As to what is the NWO,~ they are “BANKERS.” Rothschilds, Rockefeller’s etc..who hire mercenaries to do their dirty work.

        If you what your nation back, thats the only way its going to happen, stop PAYING THEN to KILL YOU. As I have said before, we all will lose a lot either way, thats a given, so the path is quite clear.

        “We need not fire a single shot” just band together and ~ TELL ~ THEM NO MORE!

        Peace and Love be with you all, Shalom

    • Right Brain Thinker

      I don’t know if anyone has noticed, but this whole string of commentary from TIME (at 7:41 on 1/25) through Jana (at 12:21 on 1/26) has got to be somebody’s idea of a joke.

      They are putting us on with talk about Steve Quayle being anything other than a grade A wing nut. I don’t want to put down anyone’s “religion”, but this whole string of comments is beyond that word (unless the “religion” is built on ingesting certain mushrooms or their chemical equivalents).

      • Jana

        Right Brain non thinker,
        But you are trying to put someone else’s religion down. Why are you lying about it?

      • TIME

        Dear rbt,

        There you go yet again with your devoid mental abilitys.

        Per ~ your post daily I see you’re trying to inflame or to act like a pseudo intellectual, of what saddly you fail every time.

        But fret not ~ {as there is good news} your post are utterly – ineffectual as well feckless,

        But hey you just keep on keeping on ~ little buddy. ;-)

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Mike in MI

        RongBrainedTinker -
        WHAT!??! Who in (or out of) the name of God do you think you’re kidding, “…I don’t want to put anybody’s religion down.”???? That’s all you want to do. So get off your “high sounding” horse and get a bagfull of “REAL”, … ’cause everyone knows you ain’t.
        You don’t have a religion – except the religion of atheism – yourself, and don’t want one. Now, it just so happens that everyone of us who have been coming to PLD for a while have a pretty good idea of the evangelistic nature (based in the most elemental hubris) of “Atheism”. This evangelistic Atheism of yours is never based on persuasion like Christian evangelism is because C.E. is based on truth andWe already know it can’ be good.

      • Mike in MI

        Dang it! Something got erased.
        Christian evangelism (C.E.) is based on truth and love.
        So take your evangelistic Atheism with its deception and force, fear and death, and push it elsewhere than here on PLD where we recognize it for the polluting and infective nature that it disburses. Do the same with yourself because we want nothing to do with it.

    • Charlie

      TIME,,,
      What King Jesus Christ said at Luke 19:27, was that a statement of Love? or a statement of Law enforcement ?…
      The Command that King Jesus Christ gave at Luke 22:36 does it agree with the 2nd Amendment ? Meanwhile ……………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Jeanne

    bravo Jeff!!!!!!!!

  • Robert Smith

    Actually she was around long before Obama.

    Rob

    • OneGuess

      She is still an obamao stooge, “Rob”.

  • Jeff

    Diane Feinstein has been a leftist elitist and a stooge to whoever will promise her power for decades. She has wanted to disarm the public ever since she found her voice. As mayor of San Francisco she, in one day, signed a city ordinance banning handguns in the city, turned her .38 special revolver over for destruction in a public photo opportunity and, behind closed doors, signed a special concealed carry permit for herself to carry a .357 magnum revolver.

    She is a model statist hypocrite.

    She says her epiphany came when she became mayor when Dan White shot Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk. Dan White killed with a revolver quite similar to the one she was licensed to carry.

    • Bill

      Good comments, Jeff
      She s also bought and paid for by the drug companies and is actively working to remove your right to heal yourself through other methods besides drugs.

      So all of progressives out there that eat organic and take all of your supplements, she is your enemy

      • JUSTIFIED

        Take heart folks. This evil and unfaithful servant is VERY OLD, and after she passes, we shall sing “Ding, Dong, the wicked witch of the west is dead.” Unfortunately, KALI will probably place another POS, liberal in her Office.

    • Hedgehog

      She (Feinstein) isn’t called the wicked [expletive deleted] of the west for nothing!

      • PJG

        Maybe Feinstein should do something about Hollywood. This is where all the violence REALLY originates. Also from all the killing our children are exposed to from these video games that have been flooding the world. This is where the real problem is. PJG

  • Jeff

    A Missouri state law pending would require me to notify the school my children attend that I own firearms. I live in Missouri but I have no children attending school. If I did, it remains that it is none of the school’s business if I own guns. It is my right to own them and my responsibility that my ownership remains none of the school’s business or concern.

    • We the people…

      Just one more reason to home educate our children!

    • Robert Smith

      But… It does get interesting if your kid steals some of your guns, shoots his mother, and then goes and shoots up a school.

      Would you object to secure gun storage? How’s ’bout a trigger lock on any guns not on your person?

      For me when I go to bed I fill my CPAP tank with water and unlock the pistol next to the bed if I don’t set my carry one right there. It’s a habit I don’t have to think about and I know my guns are secure when I’m not around.

      Rob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        On the news yesterday—-a four-year-old got his hands on a “family” gun, wounded his mother and killed himself. One less innocent to be punished among the 300 million.

      • sheep dog on patrol

        Most four year olds don’t have the strength to pull a 5 or 6 pound trigger on any gun. But for the sake of conversation, let’s assume it did happen. The problem is still not the gun. It is an irresponsible adult who left their gun where a four year old could get to it. Stop blaming inannimate objects for the stupidity of people. As for the recent shootings, it is interesting to know the facts that ALL of the shooters were of the “LIBERAL” political influence and ALL of them were under treatment by a physician and were taking anti-depressants. Maybe we should point our fingers at the doctors who allowed their patients to run around with absolutely NO supervision while on these VERY DANGEROUS PSYCHOTIC DRUGS. After all, how can we blame a gun for the irrational thinking and actions of an individual who is on mind altering drugs?

        BTW, Have any of you ever listened to any of the 911 calls that have been recorded of individuals on anti-depressents who have placed calls to 911 and were on the verge of committing suicide? Perhaps all of those ads on TV where the advertiser relates the side effects of the drug makes the statement, “if you are having any thoughts of committing suicide, call your doctor immediately,” should say, “if you are having any thoughts of committing suicide or killing a lot of innocent people in a gun free zone, contact your LOCAL POLICE immediately.”

      • Bill

        Right Brain Thinker says’
        “One less innocent to be punished among the 300 million”. RBT, your lies are getting pathetically stupid.

        You must have too much time on your hands nowadays, with your perky, higher than market benefits from your non producing public sector job.

        You have shown us that you are one of the true “Takers”

      • sheep dog on patrol

        Robert,
        It would be more interesting and factual if we all knew tht his mother was beginning the process to have him institutionalized and he found out. Also more interesting for all of us to know that he was under treatment of severe depression and was taking anti-depression drugs and more interesting to know that his Mom was working with those kids that he murdered out of jealousy feeling that she cared more for him than she did for him. Also, it would be more interesting if the media attacked the pharaceutilcal industry and doctors for allowing such people being treated to roam amongst us unsupervised. What if his mother had been found with a ball point pen protruding from the neck of her lifeless body. Would the ball point pen then have been described as an “assault pen?” And, would there then be a movement to ban all ball point pens? Makes about as much sense. And, what if we were to find out that the Aurora shooting and the Connecticut shooting were actually orchestrated by our government to further scrape the emotionally raw sentiments toward more gun control? Before you say I’m crazy, remember Operation Fast and Furious and remember Benghazi. Both events were allowed to happen under the watchful eyes of this government.

      • Gordon

        Right Brain= these tragedies happen because of stupid parents…… not because law abiding citizens have guns.

        My children were raised with guns, as I was, and taught from diaper age what they are and what they do. Curiosity/ playing with guns never entered into their upbringing, as neither has it for my grandchildren.

        RESPECT for weapons and people. That’s where it’s at. Think about it.

      • Motov

        That’s what happens when you apply common sense, just like teaching children to not play with matches, BTW matches can even be more deadly than a gun, and there are less laws concerning them.

      • Gordon

        Teaching toddlers what a gun does to water filled paper 1/2 gallon milk jugs makes them respect the effects of bullets,

        and does not stimulate their curiosity to play with guns.

      • ibcamn

        hey a-hole,any self respecting gun owner already locks his weapons up!you can go down to any cop-shop and get a simple trigger lock for free(cops havn’t bought their own locks for decades!)and safes are so thieves don’t take our guns!we teach our children gun safety as well as to shoot them well!all five of my boys are a great shot and have never used their weapons in anger!it’s ignorance that breeds contempt!go live in LA for a year then come back and have this discusion!you will have a whole differant outlook on your life,only criminals have guns illegally,not law abiding people!

      • Deerinwater

        4 or 5 pound trigger pull? ~ What kind of gun is that? a Blunderbust?

    • TML

      The interesting, and disturbing, part about that is… what exactly is the school going to do about it if such information is reported?

    • ibcamn

      Jeff,remember,this is the way they back door you,when the big bang on gun siesure happens,all they have to do is go to to every school and get the list from a principle and bang,they have all your info!!it’s easier and quick for king Obama to get your gun!door to door is time consuming and expensive!i owned a tattoo shop years ago and the gov’t wanted to know where i kept any gas or propane(located in shop)they said it was for firemen to find in case of fire,come to find out through a friend(happened to be a volunteer fireman)that was a load of sheet!so i’m assuming it has to do with any home made “boom” stuff!and this was a local law issue,not state wide!it won’t matter if you have kids,they might include in the law,”any”family member,which includes you!!

  • Dwight Mann

    I call it TREASON, to just try and pass such legislation, and we need to arrest and prosecute these constitutional criminals. . .
    They were elected to guard and protect the constitution, not subvert it. . .

    • Andy

      The main problem is that The US Attorny General is the worst crininal of all.

      • Gordon

        Just wait until he gets named “Supreme Court Justice”…..

    • ranger09

      Now i wonder if her last name has anything to do with it.

      • ibcamn

        oohhh-skating on the thin ice of racist!that’s ok,think Obama’s middle name(or color)has a thing to do with his comment of”old white guys who owned slaves”?they can say it so can you,it’s your right!

      • http://all scott

        here’s one Obama’s forefathers had nothing to do with wrighting the laws of the new world! I wonder if that’s racist?

    • Jana

      Dwight Mann,
      You are right. These people need to remember they work for us, not the other way around. They are supposed to represent we the people, but they want to be our superiors and our dictators.

  • robert

    i wish those communist people would leave our country. they claim they are not communists, but when you try to force people to do what you want just because you dont like it, and take freedoms away. then what are they. the government admitted it spies on americans,reads your emails and texts and said there not gonna stop. i say its time to take america back.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Wow, the lies of the left go on and on forever until they have said it enough times it becomes truth. The truth is the left lie’s and some buy into it such as RightBrainStinker. the left put out that the shooter at Newtown used a assault weapon and that was a lie, his mothers weapons were listed and no assault weapon so where did he get the one that he didn’t use that was in the trunk of his car as has been proven? A teen shot his mother and sister and said the movie Holoween inspired him to do it. The shooter in Aurora, Colo. was getting a government grant that he lived on and bought guns with, if they can prove he bought them? A teen shoot’s his whole family and the gun didn’t act on it’s own. Evil people use clubs, knifes, hammers, two by fours, baseball bats and what ever they can use including guns at times but, most are stolen and not bought at gun shows where they do background checks and gun shops who also obey the law. I sleep with my gun and it has never attacked me at night and gone down the hall kicking people. Evil people kill people anyway they can and always will. So don’t let the left tell you guns are the problem, Hitler did it, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot all did what the left wants to do today so they can be people controllers, it’s there plan to have complete control and power over those they are suppose to serve. Satan is alive and well in the White House and in both houses and all of them need to go.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Killing not kicking, Sorry

      • Kate8

        Benjamin – Before they can pull this off they need to get all of the military and law enforcement replaced with their own goons.

        Right now, increasing numbers of sheriffs and military are pledging to stand on the side of the people, as are many police, as well. A Sheriff’s power in his county trumps even the POTUS, or any fed.

        Check this out. Here is what the Law of the Land has to say about the power of the sheriff to defebd our Rights against the VERY LIMITED AUTHORITY OF THE POTUS AND FEDS.

        http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-sheriff-has-more-power-in-his.html

        The word is spreading. It is up to us to support our local law enforcement in defending us against federal overstep.

        CALL YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TODAY, and ask them what they think of Obama’s plans to grab guns. Then ask them how they plan to respond. You will be surprised at how many will side with US once they understand their lawful position.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims is taking her sworn oath to uphold the law seriously, even if it means confronting Washington D.C.

        In her letter to the Vice President, Mims emphasizes that the government must not allow the actions of cowards wielding firearms to promote unconstitutional laws that take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens.
        http://www.kmjnow.com/pages/mobile_landing&Mims-Sends-Letter-to-Biden-Over-Gun-Laws=1&blockID=659517&feedID=806?blockID=659517&feedID=806

      • JeffH

        Growing List of Sheriffs Saying ‘NO’ to Obama Gun Control
        http://cspoa.org/sheriffs-gun-rights/

        Sheriffs have risen up all over our great nation to stand up against the unconstitutional gun control measures being taken.

        The following is a list of sheriffs and state sheriff’s associations from who have vowed to uphold and defend the Constitution against Obama’s unlawful gun control measures. I applaud these public servants for their courage and conviction.

        I would encourage other Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers to add their voices to the growing numbers of faithful protectors of our freedom.

        List of State Sheriff’s Associations

        1. Sheriff Glenn E. Palmer – Grant County, Oregon

        2. Sheriff Gil Gilbertson – Josephine County, Oregon

        3. Sheriff Tim Mueller – Linn County, Oregon

        4. Sheriff Adam Christianson – Stanislaus County, California

        5. Sheriff Brad A. DeLay – Lawrence County, Missouri

        6. Sheriff Charles M. Heiss – Johnson County, Missouri

        7. Sheriff Steve Cox – Livingston County, Missouri

        8. Sheriff Jon Lopey – Siskiyou County, California

        9. Sheriff Craig Zanni – Coos County, Oregon

        10. Sheriff John Hanlin – Douglas County, Oregon

        11. Sheriff John Bishop – Curry County, Oregon

        12. Sheriff Larry Blanton – Deschutes County, Oregon

        13. Sheriff Jim Hensley – Crook County, Oregon

        14. Sheriff Denny Peyman – Jackson County, Kentucky

        15. Sheriff Roy Klingler – Madison County, Idaho

        16. Sheriff Blake Dorning – Madison County, Alabama

        17. Sheriff Justin Smith – Larimer County, Colorado

        18. Sheriff Al Cannon – Charleston County, South Carolina

        19. Sheriff Ana Franklin – Morgan County, Alabama

        20. Sheriff Andy Hughes – Houston County, Alabama

        21. Sheriff Stacy Nicholson – Gilmer County, Georgia

        22. Sheriff Robin Cole – Pine County, Minnesota

        23. Sheriff Bill Snyder – Martin County, Florida

        24. Sheriff Ed Kilgpore – Humboldt County, Nevada

        25. Sheriff Tom Bosenko – Shasta County, California

        26. Sheriff John D’Agostini – El Dorado County, California

        27. Sheriff David Hencraft – Tehama County, California

        28. Sheriff Dean Growden – Lassen County, California

        29. Sheriff Dean Wilson – Del Norte County, California

        30. Sheriff Mike Poindexter – Modoc County, California

        31. Sheriff Thomas Allman – Mendocino County, California

        32. Sheriff Mike Downey – Humboldt County, California

        33. Sheriff Larry Smith – Smith County, Texas

        34. Sheriff Kieran Donahue – Canyon County, Idaho

        35. Sheriff Margaret Mims – Fresno County, California

        36. Sheriff Pat Garrett – Washington County, Oregon

        37. Sheriff Dan Staton – Multnomah County, Oregon

        38. Sheriff Scott Mascher – Yavapai County, Arizona

        39. Sheriff Micahel A. Helmig – Boone County, Ohio

        40. Sheriff A.J. Rodenberg – Clermont County, Ohio

        41. Sheriff Terry Maketa – El Paso County, Colorado

        42. Sheriff John Cooke – Weld County, Colorado

        43. Sheriff Scott Berry – Oconee County, Georgia

        44. Sheriff Frank Denning – Johnson County, Kansas

        45. Sheriff Stan Hilkey – Mesa County, Colorado

        46. Sheriff Terry Box – Collin County, Texas

        47. Sheriff Chuck Wright – Spartanburg County, South Carolina

        48. Sheriff Greg Hagwood – Plumas County, California

        49. Sheriff Frank McKeithen – Bay County, Florida

        50. Sheriff Roger Garrison – Cherokee County, Georgia

        51. Sheriff Tony Desmond – Schoharie County, New York

        52. Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. – Otsego County, New York

        53. Sheriff Bruce Haney – Trinity County, California

        54. Sheriff Wayne DeWitt – Berkeley County, South Carolina

        55. Sheriff Bob ‘Big Block’ Colbert – Wagoner County, Oklahoma

        56. Sheriff Joel W. Richardson – Randall County, Texas

        57. Sheriff Mike Scott – Lee County, Florida

        58. Sheriff Mike Winters – Jackson County, Oregon

        59. Sheriff Brian Wolfe – Malheur County, Oregon

        60. Sheriff Cameron M. Noel – Beaver County, Utah

        61. Sheriff Tom Rummel – Sanders County, Montana

        62. Sheriff Jeff Christopher – Sussex County, Delaware

        63. Sheriff Brad Rogers, Elkhart County, Indiana

        64. Sheriff David Edmunds – Summit County, Utah

        65. Sheriff James Tracy – Utah County, Utah

        66. Sheriff Robert Dekker – Millard County, Utah

        67. Sheriff Frank Park – Tooele County, Utah

        68. Sheriff J. Lynn Yeates – Box Elder County, Utah

        69. Sheriff G. Lynn Nelson – Chache County, Utah

        70. Sheriff James Cordova – Carbon County, Utah

        71. Sheriff Jerry Jorgensen – Daggett County, Utah

        72. Sheriff Todd Richardson – Davis County, Utah

        73. Sheriff Travis Mitchell – Duchesne County – Utah

        74. Sheriff Greg Funk – Emery County, Utah

        75. Sheriff James D. Perkins – Garfield County, Utah

        76. Sheriff Steven White – Grand County, Utah

        77. Sheriff Mark Gower – Iron County, Utah

        78. Sheriff Alden Orme – Juab County, Utah

        79. Sheriff Lamont Smith – Kane County, Utah

        80. Sheriff Blaine Breshears – Morgan County, Utah

        81. Sheriff Marty Gleave – Puite County, Utah

        82. Sheriff Dale Stacey – Rich County, Utah

        83. Sheriff Rick Eldredge – San Juan County, Utah

        84. Sheriff Brian Nielson – Sanpete County, Utah

        85. Sheriff Nathan Curtis – Sevier County, Utah

        86. Sheriff Jeff Merrell – Uintah County, Utah

        87. Sheriff Todd Bonner – Wasatch County, Utah

        88. Sheriff Cory Pulsipher – Washington County, Utah

        89. Sheriff Kurt Taylor – Wayne County, Utah

        90. Sheriff Terry Thompson – Weber County, Utah

      • Kate8

        Did you all see what’s happening in New York, following the passing of sever gun restrictions? Mass DEFIANCE.

        This is great. It’s about time the people took a stand. I truly hope this continues all over the nation.

        http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law

        DO NOT REGISTER YOUR FIREARMS.

        Remember, the 2nd Amendment is the only permit you need.

      • Jana

        Well Hoorayy for New York.
        I heard one Sheriff’s response to the question of “Are you going to enforce this new law?” His answer, “I am not allowed to enforce the federal law of illegal immigration, how can I enforce this federal law?”
        Great answer!

    • http://all scott

      I agree with you, we the people are the 4th branch of Government. Our Government is not being ran correct and we need to stand up and take control and set things right. The last time that was done was during the Vietnam War, and the people won. I don’t have a lot of fancy words but I do know the Government is not suposse to rule its people it is supossed to serve them.The people are the ultimate protector of our constitutional rights.When the government fails to abide by the Constitution and takes away our rights then it is ultimately the duty of the people to stand up to the government and take our rights back. This is not something that should be taken lightly. It is only in the most extreme of circumstances when all else has failed.

      The Declaration of Independence states:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. –That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

  • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes
    • Vicki

      Tell everyone who will listen that we are way past tired of being punished for the acts of a few.

      ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

      STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

      STOP IT
      STOP IT NOW

      • Right Brain Thinker

        THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S. .
        NEARLY 2/3 OF THEM ARE SUICIDES

        THERE ARE ~11,000 GUN HOMICIDES EACH YEAR IN THE U.S.

        THERE ARE ~600 ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S.
        MANY IF NOT MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN

        THERE ARE ~200,000 GUN-RELATED INJURIES A YEAR IN THE U.S.

        STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM
        STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR
        STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION

        STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS
        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg Beaty

        I agree with you Vicki and not you Brain.

      • charlie

        Right Vicki. Sensible people can solve the problem – liberals use a crisis as a tool to push their agenda.

        Right Brain has the cranial hemispheres mixed-up about as badly as the ‘statistics’ being quoted. Try this one – 200,000 people die from medical ‘mistakes’, every year!

      • OneGuess

        RBT, your name should be WrongBrain(non)Thinker.

      • Steph

        Right on Vicki. They punish the majority for the few.

        Brian. 2/3 of 30000 gun deaths are suicide. So fudging what. Take away the guns there will still be the same amount of suicides. People want to kill themselves they will, as much as it would be nice to stop it that will not.
        11000 gun homicides? How many stabbing homicides a year? Shall we ban all knives too?
        200000 gun injuries in the US each year. What about auto injuries lets ban cars, trains, busses, trucks, planes, bikes etc people have accidents on them too.
        Hell lets just lock everyone in a padded room with food and water for life Oh wait there are how many drownings a year, better ban water too.

      • Ron

        Check the FBI stats, that most deaths are caused by clubs(bats) and knives, not guns!

      • http://yahoo.com Frank

        Our guns have two purposes, protect us from the criminals, and protect us from the government!!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki has been so successful with her brainwashing that some of the parrots immediately jump off their perches in support.

        liberals use a crisis as a tool to push their agenda.
        200,000 people die from medical ‘mistakes’, every year!
        RBT, your name should be WrongBrain(non)Thinker. (real clever, that one)
        Take away the guns there will still be the same amount of suicides.
        ban all knives too?
        What about auto injuries lets ban cars
        how many drownings a year, better ban water too (that one is the winner of the “most mindless comment”award)

        Greg Beaty says, “I agree with you Vicki and not you Brain”
        That’s fine by me, Greg, but I suspect that you don’t really understand what I “said”, and therefore don’t know what you’re disagreeing with. Typical PLD behavior.

        STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM
        STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR
        STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION

        STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS
        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Steve E

        Frank, guns are also necessary to protect you from people like Wrong Brain Thinker (who doesn’t think at all)..

      • rock

        RIGHT BRAIN THINKER, IF YOU’D PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR AZZ, MAYBE YOU COULD THINK BETTER! PLEASE COME TAKE MY GUNS FROM ME. I’LL GLADLY LET YOU HAVE THEM. ONE ROUND AT A TIME YOU LIBTARD POS!

      • voldemort

        183,000 plus children are murdered in the US every year by a liberal supported organization. Deaths by doctors runs at twice the rate of guns. Car accidents kill close to 500,000 a year. The multiple gun homicides since and including columbine were committed by democrats or the children of democrats. get your own house in order before looking over the fence.

      • TIME

        Dear RBT,

        Lacking of gray matter is a crime in and of its self, oddly of what your post clearly display a disturbing case in point with every stroke of your key board.

        So to address your feckless post, { 299,000,000 } ~ yes thats right “299 MILLION”" people.
        JFTR, ~ that number is in most all cases considered to be on the very LOW side.

        That number includes Countless ” MILLIONS of CHILDREN” as well their parents, uncles anuts, grandmothers ~ etc. who have all been ~ “Butched, ~ Raped ~ Robbed, ~ Starved. and MURDERED” by Governments who sell the very same Mindless Rhetoric your selling. saddly of what the people willingly gave away their “FREEDOMS” for a form of preceived Safety

        GUNS don’t kill anyone, ~ But HUMANS who have “Psychotic” behavior patterns have in fact killed 299 MILLION HUMANS just since 1917 ~ thats less than 100 years…
        Based on the History Channels programing ~ not my opinion:
        Adolf Hitler, had many Psychotic Disorders.
        Joseph Stalin, had many Psychotic Disorders
        Mao, Had many Psychotic Disorders
        Fedil Castro, Has many Psychotic Disorders
        Kim Jong, Il, had many Psychotic Disorders

        In China today where they have {ZERO FREEDOMS} and also they have NO GUNS as they have GUN controls ~ they also have “”Mobile excution squards”" that kill upward of 20,000 perple per MONTH for little more that speaking about needing a day off work.
        These numbers also include well over 30% Children under the age of 10.

        Per day in China no less that 100 baby girls are put to death by having their heads crushed by being slammed into a stainless steel tub, ~~ the crime,~ being born!.
        So in just one month that number is 3,000 x 12 months = 36,000 baby girls and that number is on the low side

        Freedom comes with a BIG price TAG, that initails ~ that saddly your not free from harm. as life comes with NO gurantees.

        Restricting “FREEDOM” is never the answer, But to the mindless ~ that saddly always is
        the single as well only responce they can muster, as seen over and over again.

        I believe thats called being a lemming, Or as the people who really do run the show ~ they refer to people just like you as “Useful IDIOTS.”

      • KenPoland

        RightBrainThinker, you got yourself right out in the middle of the briar patch, didn’t you. Rest assured, there are many who agree with you. Obviously the blog that generates this discussion is from the gun enthusiast side of society. They close their ears to any sound that doesn’t echo with firing range staccata. Your statements and questions are valid and should be considered by all who are involved in the conversation.

      • Adolf Schmidt

        RightWingBrainThinker believes that people are like those monkeys that stick their had in a hole to grab a piece of fruit and then can not get their hand out! Banning a small amount of guns from a small amount potential gun owners will make the same impact it did last time, NONE! The people that are pushing this anti gun legislation through are only looking at one side of the gun debate! There are 2.5 million crimes thwarted every year by law abiding citizens! Even if only 1 percent of these crimes would have ended with the death of the victim, it would show there was more lives saved than taken during a criminal episode! Yeah, 2/3 of gun deaths were from suicide! These people are depressed not stupid! Even though you think you came up with a fool proof way of stopping these suicides, I think they might be able to think of at least one more way to take there lives if they want to! Please, look at the statistics! Evaluate all the numbers, even if it doesn’t back your side of the debate! If this is done, RightBrainThinker might live up to his name!

      • Ted Crawford

        RBT
        300,000+ Americans are killed EVERY year, Many of these a killed using Government money! That’s the number of deliberate Abortions preformed EVERY year!
        Over 53 Million have been murdered just since Roe V. Wade in 1973! That’s more deaths than America has suffered in ALL our wars COMBINED! If you want a cause to support that would actually SAVE some lives, you couldn’t find a better one!

      • Gordon
      • TML

        Right Brain Thinker says “THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S. .
        NEARLY 2/3 OF THEM ARE SUICIDES”

        You can’t stop a person who is determined to kill themselves… especially with laws. And considering the fact that there are many more deaths in which a gun is not used, your premise is weak. Do you honestly think that number would reduce simply because no gun is available? Which is to assume that your goal would be to make sure no gun is available… which defies common sense that such is possible.

        Right Brain Thinker says “THERE ARE ~11,000 GUN HOMICIDES EACH YEAR IN THE U.S.”

        A very small percentage of the 311 million population of the United States, and the cities with the highest per capita rates of gun-related homicides just happens to be places with the most strict gun laws – Washington D.C. and Chicago. What do you make of this fact?

        Right Brain Thinker says”THERE ARE ~600 ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S.
        MANY IF NOT MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN”

        Studies have shown that safe-storage laws do not appear to affect juvenile accidental gun deaths. Ban and restriction on guns are ineffective. Training would be the common sense answer.

        Right Brain Thinker says “THERE ARE ~200,000 GUN-RELATED INJURIES A YEAR IN THE U.S.”

        Injuries? Well, we can’t put cushion pads on every sharp corner in America. The role of government isn’t meant to be your nanny RBT.

        Right Brain Thinker says “STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR”

        Guns are as much a factor to the things you mention, as forks are a factor in obesity.

        Right Brain Thinker says “STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION”

        Define, “common sense”. For most Americans common sense is understanding that gun laws are widely ineffective, and that regulation and restrictions by government on a national level can, and has historically, led to gun confiscation. Because it has been said directly, by people like Dianne Feinstein, that confiscation is exactly the goal it seems ignorant to deny gun confiscation is a legitimate concern.

        Right Brain Thinker says “STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS”

        Actually I find it to be directly on point rather than a distraction, since the 300 million Americans will be directly affected by national laws.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        WOW Vicki! You really got the gringo Libtard nerves! Brain stinker is having a meltdown shouting in Caps like the other moron NC,
        Read this article it will drive Libtards ape poop!
        http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2013/01/22/gun_control_frenzy_proof_democ.html

      • Demise from within

        I agree with Vicki, however Brains comments are ignorant, not to mention the choice of the name brain, is a oxy-moron!

        Baseball bats kill people. Do we regulate or ban the sale of bats?
        Tire tools to change a tire kill people. Do we stop changing flats?
        Knives murder people. Do we pick up our steak and eat with our fingers because forks poke out eyes!?
        Mans hands can kill people. Do we handcuff all individuals for the safety of society?

        Bleeding heart left liberals are the biggest hypocrites. Inserting tools into a woman to chop and vacuum a human life out of her is not murder. These idiots are living in a unicorn, rainbow, and lollipop world. They want entitlements to all, even the lazy crack heads deserve government money and work is a four letter word to them.

        Wake up America and get some dignity, self-respect, and ambition. Desire to work hard and support your family instead of relying on these hard-ons working to destroy your country!!

      • ProtectThyStudent

        If we want to know why crime rockets high in countries and even cities that ban guns, its because guns in private hands stop a crime 2.5 million times a year in America. Thats 6500 times a day. think about that.

      • JeffH

        Half Wit Thinker,

        Let us make it very clear to everyone on this website…Your sole purpose for being here is not to argue or debate. You are paid to be here and paid to abuse this website and this website’s participants that openly resist the ideologies of Marxism/socialism/fascism/progressivism and ultimatly communism. You know you’re a troll and a shill and a troll/shill handbook wasn’t even needed to figure that out.

        EVERYONE…please follow Half WiT’s posts(not just this thread but on every thread0 and you will see that he has constantly targeted particular posters on a consistant basis to the point where he mentions and attacks them continuously in multiple and unrelated resonses.

        Half Wit has half of his brain seeing boogeymen and he more than likely eats, sleeps and dreams of these boogeymen 24/7. Note that, like many progressives do, he tells us just how much more intelligent he is and has a tendancey to reward himself with his own narciccistic induced brand of personal accolades.

        Half Wit, you’ve fooled no one but yourself…don’t stop now.

        Just so you know that ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT ASSAULT ANYONE USING ANY FIREARM.

        ~300 MILLION Americans DIDN’T SHOOT anyone AT ALL. Not even by accident.

        Join us in telling them to STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        STOP IT

        STOP IT NOW

        No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master.
        - Hunter S. Thompson

      • Motov

        @ Rotten Brain Fart
        Where’s your caretaker? I see you escaped from the zoo again!

      • eddie47d

        I’ll pick on Jeff H and Time together since they ignored VOLDEMORT’s comment. You all like to say RBT has faults yet totally ignore right wing crazies like Voldemorts. 500,000 car deaths? Apparently Conservative don’t go to doctors or use hospitals because he says they are all Liberals LOL!. Seems like an awful lot of numbers floating around for such a short spiel. What a hoot! Did Jeff H clone himself as Vickie or is it the other way around?

      • http://www.facebook.com/bill.roe.750 Bill Roe

        What RightBrainThinker neglects to mention is that only 0.6% of gun crimes were committed with legally owned or possessed weapons. The problem is not the legal owners, it’s the criminals, and no amount of legislation is going to make one bit of difference to the criminals.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lrpirkl Lon Pirkl

        It has nothing to do with gun control it is a way to get total control. A Fascist move by Feinstein and the rest of the Obama administration want to inslave everyone in America. Some of my friends are completely blind to the democrat lies. They even voted for that Fascist that’s in office. What’s really stupid is they voted for him twice.

      • Don

        Communists Cheer On Obamas Gun Grab

        http://www.infowars.com/communists-cheer-on-obamas-gun-grab/

        Nothing more need be said.

      • Kate8

        Don’t forget that included in gun death stats are those shot by law enforcement.

        Since the 3rd largest cause of death is death by doctor, perhaps we should look at criminalizing doctors, pharmaceuticals and hospitals. That would actually save a whole lot of lives.

        Liberals know their arguments are lame. This is more about them shilling for BigBro than anything to do with “safety”.

        Remember, Leftists do not have the power to reason. They think the way they are told to think, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.

      • JeffH

        eddie gives us his best DUH!

        I would have hoped that he’d jump off of the anti-Americanism wagon and join the rest of the pro-American patriots in getting the message out that ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DID NOT SHOOT ANYONE.

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • TIME

        Dear Eddie,

        First off I am a “TRUE LIBERAL”

        The post displayed by all of the { quasi Liberals } such as rbt ~ are no more a TURE liberal than MAO was a sweet nice guy.
        In fact saddly its people like rbt who deface the “TRUE Liberals” ~ as his post clearly reflect a lacking of any form of True Liberal thinking in all respects.
        Not just a few points but ALL, as in nothing he post is Liberal its just absurd mindless cranking of a feckless jester, in plain words he nothing more nor less than is a useless dullard.

        Be that as it may you at least have some points that fall within the parameters of a Liberal, but in most case’s even you fall very short of a TRUE LIBERAL. Thats why the TRUE LIBERAL class is amost dead. No one even knows what it is anylonger, as it has been sold by the “totaly controled manipulated mass media” ~ as the wrong product.

        People like Claire Mccaskill, Barry Obama, all ~ Clintons, Schumer, Joe Biden, etc, are Marxist and they even tell everyone so, how would one know?
        They use the proper “CODE” word that spells it out; that word is: a “PROGRESSIVE.”

        Be that as it may, these are the very people who have enacted pernicious laws that have eroded the average Americans freedoms and all done in the name of “LIBERAL” thinking.

        Of what is an outright LIE, let alone a total insult to any “TRUE LIBERAL”

        .A True Liberal believes in Freedoms with out restrictions from Government, they don’t believe in micro nor nano managment of persons life, of what is clearly not displayed by any person within the city state of the District of Columbia. that includes many within the R party as well.
        Such as the likes of: Lindsay Gram, Jonny Isakson, John Mcain, as well as many others just like them.
        They to are Marxist but they go under the title of “neo CON” same value as Marxist, as in thats the code yet again.

        Peace and Love, Shalom

      • Old Henry

        Liberals don’t use guns to murder children.

        They use abortion.

        We need Abortion-control.

        Thoulsands of children die in car accidents.

        We need Car-control.

        More people are murdered each year by hammers than guns.

        We need Hammer-control.

      • Old Henry

        charlie:

        Maybe Right Brain is dyslexic.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S. .

        STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM
        STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR
        STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION

        STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS
        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • eddie47d

        Sorry Time i was strictly showing the hypocrisy around here and maybe you didn’t have a chance to see Voldemort’s comment. Jeff H on the other hand always ignores ignorant comments from Conservatives and runs from them like a scared rabbit. He’s a one trick cowboy on issues!

      • JeffH

        eddie, humor me ,just this once, with something well thought out, somewhat intelligant and original…if you’re capable.

      • deerinwater

        Well Vicki, ~ you have stood well ~ have every most Americans do not share your over simplified view in regards to gun control.

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

      • Jana

        Old Henry,
        I like what you said.
        I will also add, guns don’t commit murder, but abortion does.

        Liberals don’t use guns to murder children.

        They use abortion.

        We need Abortion-control.

      • Jana

        Sorry, but on that gallup poll it depends on two things. 1. what part of the country it was taken in, and 2. If the people answered truthfully.
        Someone was calling around here asking if people owned guns and people were calling in to the radio station telling about it and saying they said no to that question, but they really did.
        People do not always trust a pollster unless they are assured of anonymity.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker demonstrates why the left brain is actually useful by saying:
        “THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S. .
        NEARLY 2/3 OF THEM ARE SUICIDES”

        That would be nearly 0.01% of the population.
        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        - RBT: “THERE ARE ~11,000 GUN HOMICIDES EACH YEAR IN THE U.S.”

        Assuming one murderer per murder (it is actually less)
        That would be nearly 0.004% of the population.
        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        - RBT: “THERE ARE ~600 ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S.
        MANY IF NOT MOST OF THEM ARE CHILDREN”

        That would be about 0.0002% of the population.
        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        - RBT: “THERE ARE ~200,000 GUN-RELATED INJURIES A YEAR IN THE U.S.

        Now we’re talking some SERIOUS numbers. That would be about
        well…. about 0.07% of the population. Ok maybe not a big percentage after all
        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM”

        We are not denying that there is a problem. The problem is the anti gun crowd. They keep insisting on punishing the innocent for the acts of (as you can see from the percentages about) a VERY VERY few.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR”

        Guns are inanimate objects not a factor.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION”

        Explain that to NY Governor Cuomo

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS”

        300? That is the number of Spartans led by King Leonidas who is famously quoted as saying “molon labe” meaning roughly “come and take”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe

        We said ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        - RBT: “STOP IT
        - RBT: “STOP IT NOW

        Please do.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker demonstrates the ad hominem (toward other posters) by saying:
        “Vicki has been so successful with her brainwashing that some of the parrots immediately jump off their perches in support.”

        Then adds a dash of argument to ridicule
        - RBT: “That’s fine by me, Greg, but I suspect that you don’t really understand what I “said”, and therefore don’t know what you’re disagreeing with. Typical PLD behavior.”

        Then demonstrates learning by doing (cut and paste) to which I shall add a bit of commentary (in lower case letters)
        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM”

        There IS a problem. Anti-gun people demanding that the innocent Americans be punished for the acts of a VERY few.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR

        Guns are inanimate objects not “a factor”

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION

        Tell that the the current Governor of NY State.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS

        300? Isn’t that the number of Spartans led by King Leonidas who is famously quoted as saying “molon labe” meaning roughly “come and take”

        What we have said is that

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE

        STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

        - RBT: “STOP IT
        - RBT: “STOP IT NOW

        Agreed. Stop punishing the innocent NOW.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        “THERE ARE ~30,000 GUN DEATHS A YEAR IN THE U.S.”

        Which is still a really BIG one hundredth of ONE percent of the population

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DENY THERE’S A PROBLEM”

        There’s a problem alright. You advocating that government agents use guns to take away our GOD given right to keep and carry (oh the irony) guns.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DENY THAT GUNS ARE A FACTOR

        Guns are inanimate objects. Not a “factor”

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO SAY COMMON SENSE REGULATION MEANS GUN CONFISCATION”

        If we believed you meant what you say (www.frontsight.com for proper gun regulation) we might stop. Alas we strongly suspect you really mean what NY Governor Cuomo said.

        - RBT: “STOP TRYING TO DISTRACT US WITH ~300 AMERICANS

        That would be Spartans not Americans and that is a (good) movie.

        - RBT: “STOP IT
        - RBT: “STOP IT NOW

        Good advice. Please do stop punishing the innocent for the acts of the VERY (0.01%) few.

      • GRusling

        Dear Vicki… you’re preaching to the choir, and a few trolls who are programmed to disagree with anything you say.

        Get local. Gather your friends and DEMAND that your local law enforcement, County Sheriff, etc., refuse to enforce anymore federal firearm laws and, in fact, come to the defense of the local population if outsiders (like the feds) come and attempt to confiscate or even register your weapons. Demand that your STATE Legislature create a law denying any authority to the federal government to create or enforce ANY federal firearm regulations. Several States have already passed such laws, and many more are now in the process. Support them and the politicians who have introduced them.

        In any State, if ONLY the Sheriffs and local Police oppose the fed, all of the US Military combined would be badly outnumbered. The federal government can NEVER enforce a law which “We The People” refuse to comply with.

        Think about it. We have the authority and the power. Let’s use it…

      • Alex Frazier

        Right Brain Thinker

        According to the 2010 CDC data (2011 is still preliminary), the actual numbers are as follows:

        Death by:
        Accidental discharge of firearms: 606
        Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms: 19,392
        vs. 38,364 total suicides, which is 50.5%, not ⅔s.
        Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms: 11,078
        Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent: 252

        By comparison, see these deaths by:
        Transport accidents: 37,961
        Motor vehicle accidents: 35,332
        Heart failure: 57,757
        All other forms of heart disease: 119,022

        There are only 31,328 deaths by firearm, and 61.89% of them are suicides, thereby posing no quantitative threat to the public. That leaves only 11,936 deaths by firearms. When compared to the total number of deaths for the same calendar year (2,468,435), firearms account for .0048354% of the deaths in America.

        Comparatively, there are 68.5% more deaths by transport accidents, 66.2% more by motor vehicles, 79.3% more through heart failure, and 89.97% more deaths by other forms of heart disease.

        Relative to the 308,745,538 population of the United States as of the 2010 census, approximately .0000386597% are affected by fatal gun violence.

        While those who are involved in such unfortunate situations deserve our sympathy, this is hardly the epidemic the media makes it out to be.

      • Vicki

        GRusling says:
        “Dear Vicki… you’re preaching to the choir, and a few trolls who are programmed to disagree with anything you say.”

        I am giving the choir a useful self evident truth to help when they “get local”. We have long said that gun-control laws only affect the law abiding. I wanted it to have a number to match against emotion laden numbers like ~30,000 people are killed every year. (Source RBT in this thread at January 25, 2013 at 7:13 am)

        Well that number is
        ~300,000,000. When you do the math ~0.01% of Americans are killed every year. Yet the anti-gun people want to punish the ~99.99% of Americans who are innocent. This presumes that each person killed was killed by one person who killed no other. If we use the number of murders alone than an even larger number of people are being punished.

        Please do Get local. Gather your friends and show them this self evident truth. Show them the US Population. Show them the FBI statistics. Show them the math.

        (The math is [ (number of murders/us population) * 100) ] )

        Replace murders with any other crime stat where a gun is involved, if you wish. The percentage will change little. It will still be that an incredibly large portion of the population is being punished.

        Let them know they are NOT alone. We are way past tired of being punished for the acts of less than ~0.01% of us.

        And if you show the math to law enforcement people you probably won’t have to demand. The above data combined with the oath they took as peace officers should be enough.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Even one life that is taken with a gun is precious,

      • Jana

        The Question to Non thinking Right Brain was:
        Is it true you were a teacher?

        His bragging answer was:
        _______________
        As you stated, “Jana asks, “Is it true that you were a teacher?” Yes Jana—for several years before I got into school administration. And a good one, I’m proud to say—-I got one “Teacher of the Year” award—nice dinner, a certificate, and my picture in the paper (the dinner was the best part). Actually I still am a “teacher”—that old “Once a teacher, always a teacher” thing IS true, and visiting PLD certainly does make me want to “teach” folks like you.”____________

        My answer to him was:

        You sure are full of yourself. No wonder our Public School System is in trouble with Socialist teachers like YOU. Your PRETEND Teacher of the Year Award just confirms your idiocy and your self esteemed superiority, when in actuality, you are quite mediocre!

        That Teacher of the Year Award means just as much as Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize that he supposedly won for becoming the first black President of the United States.
        NOT A BIG DEAL!

      • Vicki

        Walter & Renee Agard says:
        “Even one life that is taken with a gun is precious,”

        Even one life that is taken with a scalpel is precious. Did you have a point?

      • Motov

        Walter & Renee Agard says:
        “Even one life that is taken with a gun is precious,”

        You sound as if a gun magically got up pointed itself at someone and discharged a round into some one.

        Now if the person takes a life with a gun (And not in self defense or by an unfortunate accident), And the person who took the life (intentionally) is found guilty, in a court,.. has then lost his bill of rights, because he denied his victim theirs. To make sure this never happens again, execution should be swift.

      • Joe Gunz

        SADLY Vicki THEY DON’T CARE!!! It’s no longer the will of the PEOPLE it’s the will a those in control & unless WE do something avout it we’re just gonna get SCREWED!!! I don’t know where you live but I UNFORTUNATELY live in NY. But I’m looking at moving to VT possibly.

      • James Bernard

        I’m with Vickie to!

      • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

        EXCELLENT Vicki. You are a true FREEDOM FIGHTER .Check out this article from Lew Rockwell to realize the ONLY TRUE SOLUTION: http://lewrockwell.com/wenzel/wenzel211.html

      • Riflemaster

        Viki I too agree with you and for you Right Brain take youe head out of your ass if don’t like what made america america which is the right to protect ourself and keep a tyrant goverment in check (the right to keep and bea rarm is part of our checks and balences system) then TAKE YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF THIS CONTRY WERE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT ALOWED TO PROTECT THEM LIKE IRAN AND CHINA WERE YOU BELONG

      • http://yahoo Val

        When the defense of liberty becomes a crime, tyranny is already in force. At that point, failure to defend liberty makes slavery a certainty.

      • tim

        300,000 children die every year by abortion so don’t tell me the gov’t is protecting children. This is nothing but a gun grab and nothing else!!! Thier using it for an excuse and nothing else. Obama has a plan for martial law and taking over the country. Why else would he make all these executive orders for martial law, taking over all the utility companies and all of the water in the country. The man is on his last term and doesn’t want to lose his dictatorship!!!!!!!! He has already let the homeland security buy 7000 new full auto machine guns and 400 billion rds of ammo. Hollow point ammo which is illegal under the geneva convention for war, but not for killing american citizens. He is asking his generals if they would have any problem shooting american citizens. He is firing the ones who say they can’t because they swore an oath to the constitution to protect americans. If you don’t believe me check it out you will see how he is changing his generals around in the last year. The man is gonna start his own war because you will see no elections during martial law!! He is a criminal already with the executive orders that have violated the constitution!!!!!He plans on using those plastic caskets at those so called fema centers out in the middle of nowhere!!!!! Good luck if you don’t have a job. Good luck if your’e old and non productive!!! Good luck if you don’t have anything to offer. Good luck if your’e not a muslim. The man is the next hitler!!!!!!!!

      • Sandman

        Vicky— you are right on so I will not take up alot of space.
        RBT—You have no brain & not capable of THINKING–obviously a DUMBOCRAT.
        Short and sweet—GUNS DO NOT KILL—PEOPLE DO
        Im an NRA member ,Viet Nam Vet and 64 years old and to this day I have never seen any kind of weapon jump up and kill any one—that requires a gun and an IDIOT/mentaly unstable person.
        Part of the solution is get our people off psycotropic drugs and let them back into the real world and knock off all thie violance in Hollywood and video games.
        I dont have a problem with Dr.s being REQUIRED to let ATF know who is on MIND ALTERING DRUGS—maybe they would be less apt to prescribe them—-HMMMMM

      • Whole Brain Thinker

        Right Brain sell acclaimed “Thinker”… with 54,559,615 Total abortions since 1973 ( http://www.nrlc.org/Factsheets/FS03_AbortionInTheUS.pdf ) you would think all self proclaimed holy and righteous folks like yourself would who think the “killing” (read extermination) of children is a huge enough abomination to pervert, re-write, deny and overturn the United States Constitution would be far more concerned with shutting down abortion factories than taking guns away from honest Americans who do not kill children. But then, babies do have a tendency to interfere with sexual freedom, (from a leftist point of view, surely an ‘inhuman” thing to do, which makes baby killing rights far more important to leftist than the rights of free people to defend themselves in their homes. (even those who claim to be ‘right brain” [ROFLMAO] “Thinkers” while accusing others of being parrots [Can't help myself, ROFLMAO again]

        To bad storks don’t bring babies, huh? Then the left could recognize that killing children REALLY IS AN ABOMINATION and accuse the right of infanticide for not allowing storks to fly freely across our borders or they could continue to lambastes the right for the so-called, trumped up and completely false claim of it’s “war on women” for allowing storks to fly across our borders. You could win either way, if only storks brought babies. Also, you could demand that guns be taken away from “storkophobic” hunters who shoot storks crossing our borders.

        Truthfully, I have no idea whether it is the left side or the right side of your brain that believes it is ‘thinking’, but clearly you are right in that only half of your brain seems to be working.

      • http://www.facebook.com/RalphMPetersen Ralph M. Petersen

        There are 3322 abortions performed every day in the U.S.

        We need to outlaw doctors.

        STOP PUNISHING INNOCENT BABIES

        STOP IT, I SAY,
        STOP IT NOW!

      • http://HOTMAIL Trainman

        Great Britten out law’ed guns 50+ yrs ago and they have 13+ killings per 100,000 citizens, where as America has less then 3 per 100,000 citizens so I think that speaks for it’s self and that’s a fact Brian… others can read his comment below or maybe above.

      • judge

        Right Brain thinker, nice statistics. Did you know 40 million people are killed each year with sticks. and 20 million of those are blunt objects. See I can make up statistics too. Try going to the FBI and using their statistics. Might get a little clearer for you.

    • Don

      Right on Vicki! U.S. residents stop or prevent 2.5 million crimes a year because they are armed. Everyone should read “Dial 911 and Die” written by atty. Richard W. Stevens. You will discover that the police and the government are not required to protect the individual citizen, nor are they even required to respond to your 911 plea for help. You will learn that you cannot collect damages from the police or the government because they did not respond to your call, or they did not protect you. The courts have upheld that you are responsible for your own safety and protection. People have fallen victim to the brainwashing and false sense of security that all you need to protect you is to dial 911. Police are reactive and arrive to a crime-in-progress less than 5% of the time. Do you want to bet your life on 911 and an overworked and understaffed police department? A Gun In The Hand Is Better Than A Cop On The Phone.

      • ranger09

        DID YOU SAY OVERWORKED???. The proper quote would be OVERPAID and UNDERWORKED.

      • Wellarmed

        The courts have upheld that you are responsible for your own safety and protection.

        Does anyone not see the inherent contradiction in this statement and the fact that “gun free zones” were also upheld as a “reasonable” restriction on where law abiding citizens can posses firearms on their person.

        I think it is long overdue for us too consider “reasonable” restrictions on the right to vote, and to immediately enact “common sense” restrictions that would limit those the ability to cast a vote if they do not meet “minimum requirements” of intelligence or mental aptitude established by local, state, and the Federal Government.

        The last time I checked, I have yet to find this “reasonable” qualifier attached to any amendments in our constitution or “common sense” restrictions in the Bill of Rights.

        May I last say that based on the extreme violence that pervades the film industry and the vagrant disregard portrayed for human life depicted in these films which serve no actual “need” for the general public, I find that they cannot be excluded from “reasonable restrictions” as to their content and therefore are subject to “common sense restrictions” as deemed fit according to local, state, and Federal Government.

        Sorry if you lost your footing my fellow Americans, but it is merely a slippery slope with which you happen to stand.

    • Gordon

      Most of that month old video is MOOT. Arguing liberal terminology is ridiculous.

      Gun grabbers have specifically defined hundreds of brand/model weapons for control.

      Liberals might be mentally ill, but OUR thinking that “assault weapons” means fully auto only doesn’t hold up in their depictions.

      • ibcamn

        yep,most of this is about a way to get to all our weapons,its not about all our guns,”now”,but will be as to how they can link all the little and local gun laws together!they want to be able to get to your guns a little at a time,like how they creaped into the white house!under the desquise of truth and justice!!and when we knock one out they will pop up with another,just like an enemy abroad!thats why they start with some lie of,the look of the gun(assault style)then they say assault enough,all semi-autos become a menace to every living thing on the planet!so yes,its all smoke n mirrors,be careful,listen to the way they put it,the terms they use and the way they use all the language!

    • http://www.facebook.com/lakota.souix.9 Lakota Souix

      Right Brain THinker your way off base with your figures,FBI stat’s confirm
      11,000 muders with firearm’s, and some of those are suicides,what kill’s most American’s 109,860 drunk drivers. The current goverment is getting tyrranical,what people in our goverment should be getting to the bottom of is who’s fault it is that 4 americans died in Bengahzi. We The People are tired of our RIGHT’s (all of them) being infringed. So get over it.

      • deerinwater

        He might be off some ~ but clearly most of the pro gun poster represented on this thread are not a good representation of the mood of the nation.

        http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

      • Wellarmed

        Thank you Lakota Souix. Very well said and to the point. And in response to deerinwater since when did our civil liberties being preserved come down to polling data as the overriding factor as to weather were are going to uphold our Constitution? Our system of government was designed to purposefully protect the minority from the majority.

      • Bill

        Good comments, Lakota
        There were actually more non firearm homicides than firearm homicides according to the FBI’s stats: 11,493 firearm homicides and 16,799 non firearm homicides.

        Right Brain thinker is just following his unions orders and trying to divert our attention away from the lefts failed economic policies. The biggest problem facing America is the unsustainable debt incurred by the public sector unions higher than market perks and benefits.

        Detroit is a good example of future America. And the word “Bankruptcy” will be a common term for cities, counties and states

        Taxpayer subsidies for public sector retirement funds must be stopped. Those funds have to support themselves on their own investments. And if they fall, then welcome to the real world like all of the rest of us

    • Old Henry

      Great link. Thanks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      A good and true video MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes, God Bless and keep your powder dry.

    • mrf

      To RIght Brain Thinker:Every two days about the same amount of American citizens die from all cancers as in the attacks and destruction of the Twin Towers (about 3,000 people). Of that group about 80-100 are kindergarten/first grade age (about 4-5 times the loss of children as Newtown, CT).

      That is every TWO days. One attack in NY by 19 zealots created two overt wars as well as covert operations in many others, One attack in Newtown has allowed 4 years of inattention to several campaign promises to be galvanized into a multi-faceted national agenda.

      In Newtown, it could have been COMPLETELY prevented if the legal owner used $4.00 trigger locks and a secured the firearms in a combination safe that only she knew the combination. SHE was just as criminally negligent as a bartender telling a drunk its time to drive home, a parent giving a young child the keys to a car or a certified car mechanic failing to complete requested brake repair repairs. In those cases, although there is a more greater frequency and local outcry it is accepted as irresponsibilty of the individual(s). However, to some people, it seems firearms are greater than simple non-thinking machine that is designed to serve in a beneficial way. I agree there are many senseless tragedies but we do not ban cars due to people drinking, drugging, speeding, recklessness, or even driving distracted by passengers, cell phones, changing music stations, eating, drinking or make-up. We recognize in a rational way the vehicle, another machine (I won’t say simple based on modern car maintence costs or non-thinking because some modern drivers now feel they can think better than them when it comes to driving, passing or backing up). Firearms were developed to provide a means to hunt game to live and sustain a family and protect one’s family and community as necessary. Many people now-a-days choose to buy bag-o-salad, bag-o-meal or take-out rather than bother to cook–these same people who are so RELIANT ON OTHERS likely have even a lesser ambition or interest to be self-supportive preferring to depend on the labors of others, Even sadder is that many of these people are in positions relying on institutional credentials and higher wage positions tha can allow them to survive on the labors of those making much less–why not just call it as it really is–economic slavery. ANYONE who can’t truly support themselves has no business even being allowed an opinion. As Lincoln once held only two types of people should be allowed to vote the really intelligent and veterans–and he claimed his standing by his military service. How many of the pundits are really smarter than Lincoln?

      Along with Ms. Lanza’s direct negligence, anyone familiar with any small community that has a mix of both new rich and established families knows there is often friction. This occurs in neighborhoods, schools, recreational facilities and even Churches. Anyone can read about CT law enforcement’s ability based on a drowning that took over 40 hours to find a body in a pool in Ridgefield, CT during the summer of 2012 (and subsequent non-investigation of cause, or investigation failure); anyone can read about the Newtown Superindendent of Schools being hired while being personally sued during he similar position in Derby, CT and any of the conspiratorists can read Ann Amato’s multi-posted CT newspaper artilce discussing a Greenwich detective pulling a person that was “confused” as the car owner for a parking violation as a former officer that was promoted after a group discrimination suit. (I have never heard of being pulled over for a parking violation nor a pending felon with standing larceny charges getting an undocumented verbal warning in an affluent town with a car not owned but the issue isn’t the Newtown tragedy–its these are the leaders “guiding” the communities involved.

      On the next tier, there is the school secuirty issue. Sandy Hook Elementary School was nationally recognized as one of the safest schools in a recent survey. The principle was a doctoral candidate, the teachers had a host of degrees and similarly the Board of Educationeven included at least one PhD. The school in conjunction with the state conducted drills, made assessments and upgraded the facility–all that and in about 20-30 a 20-year old college drop-out defeated over two hundred years of school security design and the local “credetialed” experts. Again, this isn’t about the Newtown tragedy its about the people giving expert advice.

      The school was on a long road/driveway. A simple secuirty shack with either an armed, unarmed guard or at least remotely operated gate that verified authorized visitors would may have been adequate deterrent–if not it would have at least given notice to the school of a pending threat and may have offered more time to prepare or call for help reducing response time. Minimizing large glass panels or strengthening them to at least tthe same level as a local convenience store and adding a direct button alarm also like most convenice stores rather than depending someone calling 911 would probably be another basic security concept. Minimizing multiple access points, first story low windows and even the sprawling style design devloped like the Titanic to impress and enhance budgets and address a different well-intended but zealously enacted ADA accessibilty regulations (more well-meaning credentialed experts) added to the shooter’s ability to enter relatively unhindered. The protocol of huddling children into a large immobile target that allows quick rescue and recovery by first responders as well as easily conducted drills and reduced liabilty due to less movement and firendly fire concerns but begs the question could a 20 year old shooter have killed so many children as quickly and efficiently if the children were scattered or moving forcing aim or at least forcing the shooter see them as human beings? When the investigation report is made public hopefully it will explain how many actual shots were made versus multiple casualties per round–there is a large difference between 3-11 wounds per child made individually (that would be a possible difference 60-220 rounds if individual rounds were used per victim or it could be 30-60 rounds for the entire two mass targets. And it is less likely all injuries would have been at such a devastating close range. At the time of the press conference woth the CT Medical Examiner he did not he all the numbers available–in the Ridgefield drowning during the summer of 2012 it was considered accidental yet the initial call for the missing person occurred about 6 hours after the person went missing, the victim was reported last seen in a blue bathing suit by a pool, the initial search IN that pool did not find him and 40 hours later he was found in the same pool, Even th bloodhounds and aerial units used couldn’t find a drowned body in a pool just a few feet from where he was last reported and since it was listed as accidental by the CT ME no investigation was necessary. Another credentialed person,

      So there are many tragedies and many are caused by firearms. I have no dispute with that argument. And I do not deny any of these are not tragedies. But is there more loss if a child or adult dies of an overdose, a reckless driving accident or a suicide of any kind? Is there a difference if during an associated crime if a gun, knife, rock crowbar, brick or any weapon of opportunity is used resulting in assault or death? In a crime of passion which would be more merciful a single gunshot to the head or a muliple five-ten minute beatdown where every piece of facial cartilage is damaged and tissue broken down and the victim dies from internal organ damage or bleeding? I will concede a firearm is an easy to operate, fairly reliable means of inflicting severe damage or death and in a way that makes everyone more equal in self-defense or agressive behavior but I think I would rather be shot and killed quickly than a less quick beatdown or stabbing. And although I do not even own a firearm I would much rather trust my chances if I had one against an armed agressor than trusting my physical abilities against one or more agressors whether armed or not.

      So please before offering insights into legislation please consider what proposals acually fit the issue addressed–if it is action to avoid a Newtown-like tragedy that is different than the many handgun killings. If it is an issue of domestic violence or crime examine the underlying factors it could be as simple as a better job, a chance at affordabl education, a more fair retail market, a corrected credit system that rewards people that can actually budget income rather than rewars those that can’t and are forced to rely monthly on banks and credit cards to survive and perhaps review the actual succes rate of family court judge deciscions, mental health and social workers lasting effectivity, review data as to the true society value of pyscho-pharmaceuticals outside of boosting the economy by bribing medical offices to choose thier durgs and protocols and profiting members in th investment community, the school faculties, law enforcement and members of the community that could provide positive support to all members of a struggling family, and of course the true background of a firearm owner to include safe operation and adequate security (although I believe most firearms should be locked it would seem there could be argued a practical aspect of an accessible firearm for home or self-defense–it would seem in those cases an owner would need to be very cautious and acknowledge the additional risk of unauthorized use by a child, visitor or even a burglar stealing it. Again, I do not personally own a firearm, I made that choice as a single parent, but I also chose not to have a pet that required a lot of attention, always ensured my kids swam supervised in known waters, lived on a dead-end road when they were of bike age and was always cautious when it came to friends with quads or mini-bikes. I never said no unless it seemed unsupervised or risky and of the few I had concerns several kids did die of accidents related to the specific concens.

      As for your numbers–30,000 annual gun deaths are all tragedies but not mislead yourself or others that suicides will be signifigantly reduced by eliminating firearms and especially long arms are usually not an issue as simple practicality. Also a multiple killing such as a family murdered and then the perpertrator commits suicide mixes ONE shooter and several victims–the same result would likely occur but in an even more heinous method–what if a faily were drugged, tied up and the house set on fire as they regained consciousness or the occasional news reports of kids seatbelted in cars and then driven into a body of water? Would either method seem preferable to a quick death, less painful death? Often we are not talking stopping the killing only the method.
      So other than the 600 accidental firearm deaths no firearm legislation can guarantee anything but transfer the method and perhaps due to a variety of methods diluting the data it might seem numbers drop more signifigant than real (if a person is disraught, drives reckless and kills themselves and a full car load of other people would that be listed as an accident, a reckless criminal accident or a murder suicide? In most states unless a some means to show pre-meditation it would be listed at worse as some sort of vehicular manslaughter further skewing data collection and blurring the numbers between murders’suicides caused by a gun and families killed in an “accident” it might make some people feel better but I’d hold more people are MURDERED by cars and certainly more commit SUICIDE whether on purpose or by accidentally losing sight they are not invincible behind the wheel than firearms but its harder to define.

      But worry about the 30,000 guns death if you choose to expend your efforts that way. The mighty Huffington Post recently offered an article “U.S. Gun Deaths Since Sandy Hook Top 1,280″ explaining a similar concern…but let me remind you every two days about the same people die in America as those that died in the Twin Tower attack (about 3,000) and of that about 4-5 the same amount of kindergarten/first graders and that is every two days.

      Compared to the Huffington Post that comparison that would equate to 75,000 deaths in the same amount of time as thir reporter worries about 1,280 and that includes almost the same amount of Newtown-age children as that articles complete total. As for your numbers well, cancer has already passed yours since 14 DECEMBER 2012 by 2 1/2 times by the end of ONE YEAR cancer will have claimed about 545,700 American lives,
      And cancer is only one example of something that given proper direction and focus as well as government monitoring of how medical professionals are sold protocols could actually do some real effective saving lives. Your argument is valid and all deaths are tragic but don’t you think your numbers especially since most are tragically self-inflicted (and may have included other victims prior to the suicide) is more like screaming your dog house is on fire when a whole city is burning?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1671321939 Rob Smith

      EVERYONE, plz look at the Dick Act of 1902, any gun control is unconstitutional..

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