Disillusional. Only business owners can vote? Where do you get this stuff? From your weekly Union newsletter?

Mark, you are a complete idiot. I hate to use personal invective but good Lord. You can’t cite a socialist country that works, never has and never will. 200 years and going, the USA is the longest living republic on earth, and there is good reason for that. Socialism is the home of the ill-educated and uneducated. It is the home of COWARDS, people afraid to put their backsides on the line to achieve wealth. Socialism is the home of the lazy. Socialism has never worked anywhere and never will, at least with respect to countries where people can achieve wealth, but for the intervention of government picking those they want to have some degree of wealth through cronism and under the table payoffs for being picked. Mark, YOU ARE A COWARD. When socialistic countries run out of money, the people find out what it is like to be wanting for the basics of life.Russia and Cuba are good examples, Russia and their associated dependent states now switching to a form of capitalism and Cuba now telling their people they can no longer take care of them.
Apparently like so many socialists, you are afraid to put your backside on the line, and I am not talking about those who have needed help at times.

But dhip, the United States is not a socialist country. It still has and will continue to have a huge private economy. The U.S. economy today is nothing whatsover like the Soviet economy, the Cuban economy or the Chinese economy under Mao, economies in which 100% of all economic activity was controlled by the state. We have a government sector in our economy but the private sector is nearly three times larger. When I look down the mainstreet of my city I see private business after private business. When I turn on my TV, I see ad after ad promoting products and services produced by private companies, corporations, and businesses. This didn’t exist in the Soviet Union, Mao’s China or Fidel’s Cuba, the state controlled all economic activity in those countries. Did not just regulate some of it but controlled all of it. Most European countries have a much larger state sector and state intervention in their economy than we do. At best we have a mixed economy with majority private businesses and a significant state sector. But to call the United States a socialist country is far off the mark. Even the Health Care plan of Obama’s calls for the retention of private doctors, insurance companies, and hospitals. Every doctor will NOT work for the state. The federal government will take over ZERO private hospitals. Obamacare retains the largely private basis of our health care system with private doctors, nurses, technicians, insurance companies and hospitals. It is nowhere near as government-controlled as in Western Europe.

We are in agreement, Mark, that the majority of Americans are ignorant. And that would have been true even if Romney had prevailed. Most Republicans are unable to promote capitalism on moral grounds. This libertarian believes that political philosophy reached its apotheosis with America’s Founding Fathers. I have despaired of seeing moral and enlightened government in my lifetime.

Interesting analysis. I think you might have also included such things as 1) the federal government’s ever increasing ability to extract taxes from its citizens, 2) the Federal Reserve’s ability to print fiat money, and 3) our insistence and belief that the government can solve all of our problems. These have also led to an ever increasing size and dependence on our government over time.

Free-market capitalism is by far the most democratic and moral institution available, flawed only by the reality that men are not angels. Capitalism operates only through voluntary exchange. Those who enter government to “serve” (by exercising control over) the public are no more angels than those they presumptuously seek to regulate. Profit motivation in private markets eventually penalizes corruption; no such discipline exists in government where power itself corrupts. Your assertion that the free market was more appropriate to a small agrarian economy is a commonly perceived myth. In reality, the more complex an economy, the more essential are the market signals provided by individual choices.

The devolution of republicanism, where individuals could vote for better government with their feet, into a federalist “democracy” where crony capitalism and ineffiency prevail, will untimately be the death knell for individual freedom and prosperity.

Yes Liberty Lover, but when capitalists become inordinately wealthy and expand their reach in every avenue of American life, they inevitably gain greater and greater political influence and power. In reaction to their gains and dominance in society, workers organized and resisted to protect their rights in the face of massive unrestrained corporate power, And these unions as well as other political reformers in turn pressed for more political power and demands that the federal and state governments regulate the collossal power of capital. Thus capitalism’s growith and expanding influence in America distorted the poltiical system. You are living in a dream world if you think the actual operation of massive capital in this country and around the world is simply a “voluntary exchange.” Giant corporations hold enormous extortionary power over poor and working people around the globe as they do within the governments they lobby and corrupt and the political eletions they buy with their PACs and both legal and illegal contributions. This is not the Mom and Pop corner grocery store. This is super capitalism and the U.S. Constitution of 1787 had zero concept of this and therefore had to be reformed and will need to be further in the future through the accepted amendment process.

Only the state has power that can be exercised through force, which is why it so imporant to limit its size and influence. Corporations become massive in a free market only to the extent that customers and workers “vote” for their massive success. Massive corporations exercise non-market power only to the extent they can corrupt an inappropriately massive government to use force on their behalf. People like you, Mark, have become so accustomed to massive government (and so envious, in many cases, of the huge success of others) that they lack the imagination to conceive of alternative approaches that do not rely on the force exercised by a corrupt government.

Let me add an off-track observation that pertains to another comment by you on a different thread. You have a seriously flawed understanding of the First Amendment. You have no right to post on this site beyond the graciousness of Mr. Livingston who is more willing to suffer the foolishness of “progressives” than I would be as the owner of a site devoted to libertarian principles.

Mark, your one sidedness has made you delusional, you see things that are not really there and your hatred is rotting you from the inside out. Liberate yourself from the regime that keeps you in serfdom, that place holds no future for you or anyone else.

joe you sound like you got a raise in your federal loafers check, way to go joe.

up the hill
airborne

I agree Joe, he is the greatest liar, BS artist, and mass hypnotist America has ever elected.

He’s the “greatest” alright, but I’ll bet the things I would think he’s greatest at are different than what you think he’s greatest at………….

Mark, there is no money in the Social Security Trust Fund. The feds raided it and put t-bills in place of the money, in other words iou’s. As far as no person missing a social secuirty check, well that’s easy when you own the printing presses that make the money.

Obama is our Great POTUS! Hail to the CHIEF!

eddie47donkey still having a meltdown! Keep going gringo Libtard it’s a comedy, seeing you blabbering is more entertaining!

And your comment that somehow defends Obama make you as important as he is, so you say? You see that is why Obama should never be a leader of anything because he is self-important. He is also self-righteous and a narcissistic. Hew is also a demagogue. We have also had other narcissistic type leader who have tried to rule the world but do not succeed. You see if you read the scriptures Christ makes all men important even the least of us. No one is greater than the next. But this thinking is not of man capabilities.

During the revolution the people had “Letters of Correspondence”. Riders would go from town to town bringing “blogs” with them so that the people would be enlightened with what’s going on. Those blogs were used by the colonist to plan their strategies and ultimalely win the war.

mark: You cranks should all get your paranoid stories straight. Is Obama a marxist, a socialist, a fascist, a Muslim, a psychopath, an evil genius?

Obama is politically-owned…no different from any of the previous presidents. So your question should be rephrased; You cranks should all get your paranoid stories straight. Is our government marxist, socialist, fascist, Muslim, psychopathic, comprised of evil geniuses?

One thing’s for sure, mark, it ain’t a “Republic”!

Marx, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, Chavez, and many others like them have also made history.

Doesn’t say much for the rest of us, does it?

George E,
What it does say about the rest of us is; we gave up along time ago and sold out to big money/power interest. This stared a long tiime before any of us heard the name Obama.

Bob,

There’s a lot of truth in that statement.

mark, you are a liar, You are a socialist and you know it. You are like someone who would say; “I hate coffee, I love to drink it everyday”.

Your can try to blame blame but when it boils right down to it what has Obama done to correct any of the problems. He has been in control for 4 years now and every decision he make is to degrade the country not to raise it up. There are two types of government only, freemen and those that are subjects. Our forefathers set up a Constitutional government so that would make men free. Freedom has its cost and it is definitely not easy. But some wish for a panacea and a Camelot and Obama is just their man. He promises both but will never be able to deliver. But he will enslave you to his form of government. So forget the quotes and get your head out of your ars and look at reality. Forget the Camelot because it does not exist.

Let me get the straight. You are blaming Bobbie for the oil spill? This is so typical of a liberal. Start by name calling and forget the real problems . And as for the rest of your comparisons, how lame can you get.

Well, Mark, for now, you have the right to free speech. The right to write all the stupid things you write. If this con man you call a great president has his way, that will be taken from you. Your problem is that you trust the government. There is something about a leftist brain that does not work properly. How can you be so willing to be imprisoned by your own government? It is because you do not realize what is happening right before your eyes. Why cant you see? If this whack job is successful at taking law abiding citizens guns, all the other freedoms we enjoy will be taken from us not long afterwards. He is a Dictator Mark. You are just too blind to see. You must be blinded by the big fake toothy smile. There are a lot of smart people on this thread telling you that you are an idiot. Maybe you would do well to consider that they are right.

Rick, I never called Obama a great president? I would rank him as so-so or a decent administrator for his first term. He was handed a horrible disaster the worst since Hoover passed off the baton to FDR who also didn’t do such a great job in his first term. I am hoping Obama does better in his second. But I certainly prefer him and his philosophy of goverment to that of Romney and Ryan who just believe that if we just do more for the wealthy and Wall Street they will throw us all a few crumbs and things will get better.

Also this ludicrous notion that Obama is a dictator. He was democratically elected twice by a absolute majority of voters. Dictators all throughout history either sieze power in a coup or revolution or they are elected and immediately suspend all future elections, political parties, freedom of the press, free speech, etc. just like Hitler did in February of 1933, one month after he came to power following the Reichstag Fire. Like Mussolini and Franco did in Italy and Spain respectively, quickly and immediately. Stalin was not voted in twice by the majority of the Soviet people in a fair eleciton, neither was Mao, Pol Pot, Pinochet, Somoza, General Zia, Batista, Castro, Saddam Hussein, the Ayatollah Khomeni. These people were dictators. They ruled by absolute armed force, arrested, tortured, and murdered all their political opponents most in televised public mass trials and executions. they instilled absolute terror with their security forces arresting millions of citizens without trial, juries, or warrants. They closed down churches, killed priests and nuns, shut down universities. If Obama is a dictator why has he not arrested, and executed the 5 conservatives on the Supreme Court, why has he not executed or assassinated Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Rand Paul? To call him a dictator just reveals yourself to be totally ignorant of what a dictator is, of what real dictators have done throughout history. You are actually trivializing the millions of innocent, slaughered victims of dictators and the savage unGodly acts of mass violence and murder that all dictators I listed committed. If you compare Hitler to Obama you are trivializing Hitler’s crimes. You’re saying he was just a guy who got elected and in his first 4 years he never murdered a single one of his citizens, he never shut down a newspaper, he never outlawed a political party, he never closed down a church, he never abolished freedom of politcal speech. But we all know and the historical record clearly show, that Hitler in fact commited all of these atrocities and Obama has not committed a single one of them.

mark: No, Robert, we don’t love socialism but we certainly dislike the flat tax proposed by fat cat Mr. Root and his rich buddies to further engorge themselves while other, actually hardworking Americans suffer. Mr Root’s pals lost the presidential election badly and thanks to that their deam of further impoverishing the American people while stuffing themselves with loot, is dead.

And what has Obama done to “discourage” such practice, mark? Or a better question; what has Obama done to “encourage” such practice. You claim that 51% of Americans voted for Obama. I disagree, the “vampires” you pointed out that oppress the people, voted for Obama. And i think Mr. Obama is more then happy to accommodate them!

Opps! His lips moved! marks meltdown continues!

Well, Paul, when the political leadership of the state of Louisiana, and this includes several Democrats, completely sells out the public interest of the people and the environment to give oil, gas, and chemical companies whatever they want ( usually with a fair amount of legal and illegal kickback money sloshing around, you know campaign contributions) yes I do say that Governor Jindal bears some indirect responsiblity for the travesty of that oil leak. BP bears more direct responsiblity but the whole corrupt political system of the Gulf that has always sold out the public interest to the interests of the oil conglomerates, is also at fault. It is a true tragedy that in addition to untold environmental damage very badly hurt the tourists industry of the Gulf for a couple of years. I am glad to see that things are now improving as a lot of great people live down there who really suffered due mostly to BP’s arrogance and criminal negligence.

Of all those men you mention, Obama would not make a decent scab on any of their rear ends.

Then you are going to have to include quite a few “blacks” who voted for him, Mark, because that is exactly what they are saying. Did you see the interview by the “obamaphone woman” recently? SHE said that she would never vote for him again and that she didn’t think he would make it through this term. Veiled threats? There was no threat made in the poster’s remark or in hers, but it is you who happens to be the threatening one.

Mabel; The “phone” lady was crazy in the first video and equally as lame in the other one.She reminds me of Romney in taking any position depending on which way the wind is blowing at the moment. .

mark. Don’t worry about Obama’s well being. I’m sure God won’t let anyone hurt your Anti-Christ until his full reign is complete.

mark: This is always the first mark of a coward.

Actually, the “mark” of a coward is someone who chooses to do nothing in the face of evil. Peeing your pants, presenting your buttocks, or expressing loyalty to your oppressors, are also signs that you may be a “coward”.

WTS/JAY, I am not doing nothing in the face of evil. I am speaking out against the right-wing extremism so prevalent on this site. I support democratic-progressive causes and vote and during elections do volunteer work for democratic-progressive candidates. I have also travelled overseas to help rebuild schools and houses in impoverished regions of Latin America. I speak out on every occasion I can against against hatred, racism, sexism, and violence. I am not passively standing by and accepting the prejudice, injustice, and ugliness of this world and of this country, I am striving as best I can, in my own small way, to change things for the better.

You forgot to mention that dead person in CT, whose SS# Obama is using.

That which is EVIL is STUPID? Not at all, they’re have been numerous evil geniuses throughout history – Ramses, Alexander the Great, Atilla, Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Shaka Zulu, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Augusto Pinochet, Anastasio Somoza, Fulgencio Basista, Rios Montt? Open a history book once in a while. The annals of Man are full of highly intelligent, very successful, evil people. Look at at all the coporate theives on Wall Street, do you think that they are stupid men? Not at all they are liviing like emperors from the money they legally steal each and everyday.

Evil is Stupid. Not only are the corrupt politicians evil and stupid, the people that elected them in office are also evil and stupid. One example would be the people who voter for Hitler. Hitler was stupid, look at his end result.

Ramses?
He was born into greatness….no effort on his part required.It ran in his family to run empires.
Alexander….same.But yet he conquered much of the assumed world by the time he was thirty.He was nearly entirely self made.
Some are smart…some are not so smart…
Hitler?
Completely self made.
Ghengis Khan…..same.
Hitler….gave rise to a decade long empire that never actually was,since there was war from the inception.
Ghengis Khan gave rise to many empires and laid waste some which we have never learned of,and his influence has been felt ever since.(Great Wall)
Mao?Self made…but look at what his succesors have wrought….capitalism…hmmm.
When you toss these names out making sure you dot your t’s and cross your i’s,you need to put context where it belongs.You sit in your armchair general position,having sterling examples of human thought and action,yet you do not separate the smart from the also rans.
While it does take smarts to initiate empires,running one for four to eight years,and then handing the reigns over to someone equally inept,may not qualify as brilliance,considering the host of helpers that are there for you as president.
While many of these leaders have had excellent advisors,you can easily separate the ones who listened to their advisors from the ones who had them killed.
The difference being made manifest in historical account.
It is you who need study history…so that you can see where success and where failure prevailed.It is also inherent that where good advise brings success,bad advise often brings folly and devastation.
Who advises you is nearly as important as whether you heed that advise.
So do the math,and see who is advising who.And whether that advise is being heeded.
You may come to the conclusion many of us have come to.
That just because you are educated in an Ivy League Institution,doesnt make you brilliant and or evil.
But it sure makes for interesting discussion,doesnt it?
Evil is often in the perception of those perceiving.While I dont think evil plays a role in our current malaise so much as bad advise does,it occurs to me that bad is considered evil and good is considered good.
Valerie Jarrett?Hmmmm.
You make your historical note…I’ll make mine.
Cheers!
-CC.

Omaumau is so intelligent that they are hiding his transcripts and spending Millions of Dollars to do it! How funny to think that if they could prove he had an IQ worth touting, it would be all over the MSM!

There is a big difference between a cunning “conniver” and being intelligent! It doesn’t take a lot of intelligence to be a puppet!

Who, Obama?

Well, you heard it from mark’s very own lips; Obama is in good company!

It is you, Mark, who has it wrong. When an election is rigged to favor one individual, it is not an election at all–and it is called fraud, which is how ozero was elected in both 2008 and 2012 (this is a proven fact; use your search engine because there is plenty of data on the topic). The majority of the people did NOT vote for ozero–at least those who are legally registered to vote. ozero was elected by animals, the dead, illegal immigrants, stolen votes, and rigged machines…..what part of FRAUD do you not understand?

What gibberish Mabel! Did you quote that out of the latest right wing Tabloid because it smell like urine.

Marble8, Obama was elected by animals? Gee, I remember standing in line for both of his elections, don’t recall any horses, chickens, cats, or roosters standing there with me, being led to the voting booth by the poll workers and told where to put their hooves, beaks, paws, and claws to make their selection. Maybe they allow this in the rural area where you live, but not in my precinct. Better check this again with your internet sources.

Mark
You must be a union public sector worker

It’s not a question of unemployed people voted for Obama. It was the stupid, low information voter that voted for Obama, employed or not.

State your source for this information.

Two gringo Libtards mark & eddie47donkey can’t handle the truth! you two gringo morons better take your meds you still foaming at the mouth and both of you are having a meltdown!

Mable8! It’s not just voting fraud by Libtards and Illegals voting! The Repukes putz Romney, Repukes they just don’t want to win they rigged the election, Romney don’t want to win he purposely lost the election!
http://www.france24.com/en/20121223-romney-didnt-want-run-president-son-says

Yeah, Bill imagine if I were a policeman, postman, firefighter, or teacher. What monstrous parasites and leeches these people are who belong to public service unions. God, we must wipe them off the face of the earth. These slugs who dare to perform services for our communiites – instead of getting rich working on Wall Street or in private industry. Like those great guys at BP who dumped billions of gallons of oil in the Gulf. Or the hedge fund shysters and bundlers who gave us the 2007-2010 recession. No, those guys were private sector heroes. None of them joined any union!

Mable,,, isn’t it funny that when confronted with documented facts, the truth, radical libs have nothing to say.

All they can do is resort to stupid comments because they have nothing on their side but emotions and diversion,

Conservative votes disappeared off those voting machines and voter fraud was the name of the game for the dems. That is the only way they can win elections because the majority of Americans don’t want what these radicals have to offer..higher taxes, loss of freedom, collectivism, a Godless society, and totalitarianism.

Liberalism is a Mental Disorder

Bill, you are drinking too much koolaid…………..or is it the great drugs ……………..or your meds?

Joe,
Are you a union public sector worker also?

WOW! Gringo Joe Spano is really off his rockers! I see the rabid Libtard knows more about meds! since he been taking meds all his life!

No you’re not Mark, you’re more like agent orange, or perhaps a shade lighter.

Mark,
A true democracy is when you have 4 wolves a a sheep, and they are voting who will be dinner.

We have a constitutional republic where each individual has rights. And you have all the rights in the world to be stupid

mark, get educated, we are a republic, not a democracy. To say that we are a democracy, is to say you are an idiot.

Steve E., we are much more of a democracy today than we are a republic. Every elected office is won by a majority of voters except for a rare occasion as in 2000 with Bush/Gore. We were a classic republic in 1787. And I am sure you and most of the posters on this site would like to return to that era. In 1787 only property-owning white men could vote. Today non-property-owning white men can vote as well as all women over 18, and all non-whites over 18. The Founding Slaveholders firmly believed that no woman or non-white or non-property owner should ever be able to vote and hold office. This was a classic republican (the ideology not the political party) belief of that era. That is why I and many Americans have nothing but contempt for the majority of them. Democracy has triumphed again and again over the Founding Slaveholders, history’s greatest hypocrites. Democracy’s triumph in America began with universal white males suffrage in the 1820s and 1830s that the elites opposed, with passage of the 15th amendment (granting people of color the right to vote), the 17th amendment (direct democratic election of senators), the 19th amendment (that granted women the vote), and the 26th amendment that granted the vote to 18-20 yr. olders). The last remaining bulwark of anti-democratic republicanism is the elitist electoral college which many of us hope will soon be abolished by Constitutional amendment). So you are wrong, Steve E., the political tide in America has always been for greater and greater democracy and increased participation by the mass of the people versus elitist republican exclusion. In a republic, the people are feared, castigated as “the mob” and well-to-do elites rule. In a democracy the political power of the people are cherished, embraced, and expanded. I Thank God that I don’t live in the Old Republic but rather in a Democratic America.

Actually, Steve, mark is correct. We are, a “democracy”! Of course, that is not a good thing. To be sure, our founding-fathers desired for us, a “republic”, and warned us against the evils of a “democracy/mob-rule” system; which is precisely what we have today.

All pure democracies lead to a totalitarian government. That’s history. If we are a pure democracy that you want. We are doomed.

Don’t forget, Hitler was elected in a democratic election………….. Also, don’t forget that the “poor” will almost always vote for more government funded benefits so long as they can get someone else to pay for them. This leads to killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Not a happy ending for all in the end, but at least we will all suffer “equally.”

Mark, we live in a constitutional republic, that’s why you vote for someone to represent your interests. If we had a pure democracy we would be like ancient Greece.

Mark, I hate to spoil your day but you are totally wrong in your description of the “democratic America” of 2013! In the first place we are a Republic whose laws are being ignored.

Americans, themselves, are ignored, they have no voice in government, and the ruling class runs the country! Americans have no representation and laws are passed against the wishes of the people, many by executive orders. There is no transparency, important things are done in the middle of the night without input from those that are supposed to be representing the rights of the people.
Individual freedom is disappearing and taxes are out of sight. The majority of Americans are getting restless and have a feeling of foreboding because the regime has become an adversary of the people! The “ruling elite” are managing the decay of our country!

And, to address your comment about America going back to the days where only landowners could vote…there was very good reason why the illiterate were not allowed to vote. They shouldn’t be allowed to vote today, either.

People that refuse to support themselves, refuse to get educated, and want to live off of other people’s money should have their voting rights “revoked.” They are not contributing, but are only parasites. They vote to get themselves more tax supported benefits. What is good for the country is never considered by the “gimme people.” Actually, what we have right now in this country is the minority ruling the majority…and the minority is supported by an adversarial government.

The “wealthy” that we should all be upset with are the “crony capitalist” that get in bed with politicians and spend taxpayer money for ill purposes……………. The other hard working wealthy people should be rewarded by letting them keep more of their money.

The majority of the crony Capitalists/Bankers and Wall Street fat cats are big Obama supporters, like Corzine, Lew, Geithner, etc.

It seems that “Wall Streeters” are pretty much like most other New York City dwellers. They vote for liberal Democratic Party candidates and policies…………….

No mark, you lost and you don’t know how much as yet.

Correction Mark, everybody lost and not just in the United States.

Democrats lost in the House of Reps. Part of an equal branch of gov’t. Get over it Dems.

The REPUNGENTS fail again—————–

POTUS OBAMA is the GREATEST! Hail TO THE CHIEF!

Learn to speak Chinese mark we all lost

up the hill
airborne

Libtard mark! Too much Kool aid already destroyed your what’s left of your brain cells! Another Libtard Gringo Joe Spano still collecting welfare money and trolling like his buddy mark! Our man didn’t lost, The joke of the election is fixed not just voting fraud, Romney is not our man since RINO Repukes are same as Libtards, Romney & the Repukes Threw the election just like boxing! it’s a big fix!
http://www.france24.com/en/20121223-romney-didnt-want-run-president-son-says

Ignorance and stupidity need to be painful.

Mark, your donkey-ness is incredible.

On January 6 I explained you that “win” is NOT synonym for the “STOLEN”.
The CHARLATAN O’Homobama NOT won elections. He STOLE elections with the UNIONs, ACORN, all kind parasites and freeloaders help. There is multitude of evidences all over the country, but especially in the Swing States.

The UNDENIABLE FACT is that DEMONcrats ALWAYS Playing Dirty.

Mark, the USURPER STOLE ELECTIONS. That is UNDENIABLE FACT.
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Nadzieja, Mark is happy and appreciative for the bon O’Liar throwing him and alike paid shills on this and another conservative sites.

On April 2012 Sarkozy, after meeting with O’Liar in the White House, concluded that O’Homobama is ”un aliéné dangereuses [ly]”, which translates into: he [obama] is a “MAD LUNATIC”, or in the American dialect “INSANE”.

Vladimir Putin called the obama regime “CRIMINAL” and was surprised that Americans are so dumbed that re-elected criminal “Communist”.

Vladimir Putin warned America and the West:
“There is a temptation to expand direct interference of state in economy. In the Soviet Union that became an absolute. WE PAID A VERY DEAR PRICE FOR THAT,” – Putin, World Economic Forum in Davos

1) “When Putin was elected president of Russia in 2000, Russia was BANKRUPT. Russia owed $16.6 billion to the Rothschild-run International Monetary Fund while her foreign debt to the Rothschild-controlled Paris & London Club Of Creditors was over 36 billion dollars.” By 2006 Putin had PAID OFF Russia’s DEBT to the Rothschilds. Russia’s financial dependence on the foreign financiers was now OVER.
2) Putin issued international ARREST WARRANT for Rothschild & Financial TERRORIST George Soros.
Now the terrorist Soros and also the Rothschilds & the Rockefellers can’t continue their evil speculations with the Russian Oil.
3) Putin wins the battle for Russian oil over the Rothschilds and removes him and all his minions from Russia
4) Vladimir Putin wants to bring Russian People to their Christian roots.
Putin said: “The Russian Orthodox Church contributes to the PROMOTION OF MORAL VALUES in society. One should not completely draw a line between the culture and the church…”

Wrong Mark . . . all America LOST ! ! !
The “Obamy Generation” 2008 to 2016 will go down in History as the Lost Decade . . . the Decade that brought America to its knees ! ! !
Everybody loses . . . by 2016 what will change?
SS and Medicare could be a memory . . . Welfare as we know it will Not Exist . . . Food Stamps will be a distant memory . . . and Unemployment Ins will be history.

If you can live with that . . . keep carrying the mail for the Amateur Diktater in the WH . . .

nc: AS WE ROSE TO BE THE NUMBER ONE NATION IN THE WORLD.

How can that be, nc, when we have scarcely an industrial-base to speak of? The cause of our economic decline is simple, clear and unambiguous; the withering of our manufacturing sector. Manufacturing is the central and irreplaceable core of a strong economy. If manufacturing is not successful, then the economy is not successful.

What is the most important industry for the overall strength of the American economy? Manufacturing, of course. High tech and finance are secondary. What’s more, manufacturing cannot be replaced by other industries. Manufacturing is vital, the heart-beat of any economy, yet, when it comes to manufacturing, America has flat-lined! So how can you make such a ridiculous-claim; we are number 1? Nonsense, China is number 1! We, have become a banana-republic, and unless we revitalize our “manufacturing”, and soon, a banana-republic we shall remain.

Yes, and let’s be sure to give the terrorists a pass for inciting the wars we’ve fought and are fighting……………. It was all GW’s and the neocon’s fault……………..or maybe the military industrial complex…………….but certainly not the terrorists’ fault…………………..and while we’re at it let’s be sure to acknowledge all the “good” things the Democrats and Obama have done to keep us out of these wars, like voting for them, then voting to bail out before the job is done, apologies, weakness, political pay-offs, drone fly-by shootings, Benghazi, no coherent strategy……………..ugh.

JAY once again distorts and misleads as he attack nc. He focuses on “manufacturing”, and neglects to mention that much “manufacturing” is returning to the U.S. as other nations lose their competitive edge and it becomes more economical to bring “industrial” jobs home. Those jobs “fled” because of the “slave labor” wage advantage overseas—-now that wages are coming up over there, jobs are flowing back.

Both JAY and nc are “wrong”, but JAY way more so because he just can’t resist using words like “ridiculous” and “nonsense” and making the idiotic statement that “We have become a banana-republic”. Lord love a duck, JAY! Smack YOURSELF upside the head for that one.

We might forgive JAY for his usual propagandizing there, but he is outright lying to you when he boldly says, “China is number 1!”

Last I heard, the combined EU was #1, the U.S. was #2, and China was #3. China is not far behind us, but not that close, and every one else is way behind the top three.

Projections DO have China becoming #1 in as few as 10 years (if the many problems they face don’t bite them in the butt—many think that will happen). However, they will not outstrip us by much (we’ll be a close #2), and population growth trends in both countries will mean that our PER CAPITA income will be over three times what it is in China. Because of the size of its population, China isn’t even in the top 50 countries in terms of per capita income now, and is projected to still be there for the foreseeable future. One source for a “far out” look at nation’s economies is:

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-economies-will-dominate-the-world-in-2050-2012-1?op=1#ixzz2Iv6VCPe7

OOOOPS Reading JAY’S stuff will often lead to confusion. That’s my only excuse for saying nc said anything wrong.

He didn’t—-apologies, nc—-keep speaking truth—-maybe some day some of the mindless deniers will see it

There you go again liberals. If it isn’t Bush, it’s the race card. You can lead a liberal to facts but you can’t make him think.

Racist.

I must have touched a nerve with Gunnar! Don’t feel bad for you are not alone and others have their panties in a bunch too!.

Eddie, they see half of a white man in that mirror!

Or, they see 100% mooslem arab in that mirror.,

Speaking of stupid…its no way Jose, not hose.

v,Mason he is one of the many anti-christs. Ya know satan was put on this earth back when it was still a rock. He has had all of this time to plan his deception and lead the children of God away from the Father and he has gotten very good at it. his main objective is to sit on the throne of David once Jerusalem is split and the temple is rebuilt. All of this is already in the works. The U.N. is saying how Jerusalem needs to be divided between the Jews and Palestine, and the temple on the mount well they already have the blue prints ready to begin construction. Just a matter of TIME. And all of this from a book that was written some 200 years ago. Just goes to show you how mans ego is just hot air correct right brain fart?

up the hill
airborne

Smurfy craves my attention and just has to finish with an “attention getter”. I actually read this comment of Smurf’s rather closely—-mostly I just scan because them because they say little of substance. But when Smurf starts thumping his bible and going all apocalyptic on us, I DO read his stuff—-I WOULD like to know Smurf better and why he thinks the way he does, but he doesn’t reveal much of himself to us—-he prefers name-calling to communication.

Smurf asks, “correct right brain fart?” My answer is “Whatever floats your boat, Smurf”
I DO agree with what I think you’re saying with, “Just goes to show you how mans ego is just hot air”, though.

Since religion is a BELIEF-based thing—-a mass of “opinion” that has no scientific proof behind it, I can’t argue with your religious belief in what you said here. Evolution and creationism yes, but not this stuff about anti-christs and the temple. If you want it to be true and it comforts you, that’ fine with me—-that’s what religion is for.

Okay, Marble8, but Barak Obama is and will continue ot be for a grand total of eight years, President of the United States. You, in comparison, are an insignificant on-line crank. I know this bothers you, but hey you can make up for it by insulting the president daily on this and other blogs. Doesn’t this make you feel like a man, like somebody really important, instead of the powerless, nonentity that you actually are? Look on the bright side. You can write in insults against Obama for 1,456 more days until January 20, 2017. Won’t get a reply from him, of course. See, the President will be busy running the country, meeting with foreign leaders, deciding on national policy, while you are banging out more and more hateful things on your computer keyboard. Gee, I wonder who historians and poltical scientists will think was more important between the two of you from 2009 to 2017? Don’t get your hopes up too high that they will pick you, Marble8. Odds are, they won’t. But not to worry they’re all just marxist imbeciles not brilliant analyists like all the on-line whackjobs here.

A conservative black man like Herman Cain is always called an “UNCLE TOM” by the racist liberals, both white and black.

Mable, it is really funny to see blacks grovel at the alter of omaumau. Let me add the MSM to that..it seems all the journalists have lost their minds. They keep calling him a “black man” when he is said to be 3% black, 47% ahab the arab, and 50% White!
Looks to me like blacks are supporting someone that obviously has deceived them. The politically correct lable for these blacks is, “low information voters.” Lets just say it like it is, they are morons and have kept themselves ignorant because it is all about skin color for them, to them..

And, you are right, there is not one country that is ruled by a black government that is free and prosperous!

Omaumau is an unknown entity. We don’t know who he is, or where he comes from, nor do we know his pedigree! Everything we have been told by the media about him has been a lie. So, why would we choose to believe only one thing we have been told, like the identity of his parents. All his personal papers and documents have been hidden from the public! What does he have to hide!

It is a fact that he has no legitimate, legal Birth Certificate…just a doctored fraudulent document (several of them.) It is fact that he has had multiple identies and social security numbers. There are many different opinions about whether his degrees were purchased, he certainly isn’t a Constitutional Scholar or any other kind of scholar. Rumors are abounding that he spent four years in Russia learning how to overthrow a Republic. There must be something criminal going on, or multiple law firms wouldn’t have been paid millions of dollars to keep his past and his secrets “sealed.” To think otherwise is just stubborn obstinace and refusing to acknowledge the facts. omaumau has a goal to turn our Nation into a third-world country, worse than any he used to call home.

Well one thing for sure he is the President Again, How he got there is the Problem.
But all you have to do is look around you, What do you see. Do you see many Americans.
So i guess he would be considered smarter than most of us. See only true Americans care about this Country, We now have millions that have no understanding at all, But its easy to git them to vote for someone who says he is looking out for them.
Then you have the Sheep that just follows the Bell

Ranger said “…..look around you. What do you see. Do you see many Americans.”

How true! Illegals are swarming over our borders, they are enticed here by our own government, and given the rights that should only be given American citizens. The regime is “stealing the country, not just elections” with the help of third-world constitutients! And, they are using our tax money to do it. Actually, Americans are fuding their own demise and the demise of this country!

We have people that were born in America, enjoying all the perks that comes with their birthright, but have allegiance to other countries!. We have Americans that describe themselves with hyphenated labels and preach hate. We have Americans that believe in communism. We have given citizenship to people that want to over-throw our country and rule it, but we allow them to live among us and vote! We have 70-known communist in congress, making our laws! We have communists indoctrinating our children in government-run schools. They are teaching our children that America is a bad country, our founders were bad people, religion is bad, guns are bad, individualism is bad, their parents are bad, and they are teaching the children that they are bad people because they are Americans. We “Tolerate them all.”

Tolerance, Diversity, Multiculturalism, Political Correctness are the most valuable tools used by the marxist and they have used them to change our country,

If he decided to put an “R” after his name, he would suddenly become “white”………..

When 48-49% of the People receive money from the Govt, You no longer have a Democracy But you have a Dick tater.

Going down the thread and seeing Sarah’s comments is like being the cleanup guy after the circus parade—-the one who has to clean up after the elephants—-one needs a BIG broom, and a BIG shovel, and a BIG elephantpucky cart.

Sarah asks, “Did you see today’s latest poll? The majority of Americans were happier under Bush than today’s Administration”.

Hmmmmmmm! Let’s search for some logic there. The things that Bush did led to near disaster for the country, and people are unhappy now because of what he did then, because they remember and they are still feeling the pain in many ways. They didn’t vote for Romney because they were worried he’d do the same things Bush did. Did I get that right? Or maybe I need to factor in that some people aren’t happy because O’Bama isn’t moving FORWARD fast enough to undo the Bush damage?

Reality is NO BRAIN . . . if the Obammy clown had just sat in the oval office with his feet on the desk and done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except play golf and holiday . . . the economy would be humming by now. Everything the clown has done was anti-business and anti-investment . . .
Enjoying your Free Healthcare and Food Stamps?

American is paying the bills with counterfeit money printed by the Federal Reserve Mob!

Our National debt is a farce and the majority of that debt is owed to our Federal Reserve Bank.
OUr money is controlled and printed by the Fed and it costs them two-cents a paper bill, to print, no matter the denomination. Then, they “SELL US OUR OWN MONEY FOR THE FULL FACE VALUE!” Where can I get a business like that!

The majority of our National debt is owed to the Fed, something that Americans are never told. China owns very little of the total debt. The Fed is draining our country of all its wealth with the cooperation of our criminal government. The Fed has robbed Americans of their wealth for a Century but it is NEVER talked about…They print monoply-money (nothing to back it up) and SELL it to us for great great profits! No wonder these world elite are the wealthiest families in the world with dreams of ruling the planet.

This country should print its own money, rather than “buying” it from a private organization that obviously controls our economy, thus our country.

Hey Texas Free Ride Loader—————–get a job————

POTUS OBAMA is the GREATEST! Hail TO Our CHIEF!

Joe Spano just gave a great example of what Obama’s minions mindset is. The next thing you know, Joe will be building an altar in honor to his great leader.

FOUR MORE YEARS of Trillion Dollar Deficits . . . on the horizon . . .
What happens when Interest Rates rise again . . . and they will . . . the Interest on the National Debt will pass ONE TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR . . . that is 1/2 of the TOTAL TAX Revenue collected TODAY.
How will that get paid back?
Will this crash the US Dollar?
Guess we are going to find out . . . what’s your solution Joe?

Thank you Texas ride for the dose of reality regarding our federal reserve. The only area I feel that I need to add a correction is that what Bernake is orchestrating is MUCH worse than merely printing cash. He is digitizing cash by merely moving decimal points. I wish the fed were hindered by the physical limitations of the printing press.

It is the Saudis who actually back the US dollar, as we are all aware that we have jettisoned the Gold standard many moons ago. That was the threat awhile back that other nations would no longer recognize the US currency as the standard bearer for the valuation of world currencies.

Everyone needs to do their research into why we keep selling billions of dollars of Military hardware to the Saudi Government/UAE. Why do we do this? Does it seem like it is merely one more country we are willing to turn a blind eye towards their inner workings and human rights violations.

This unfortunately has become Americas SOP, and Ron Paul would have put a spot light on this and other actions such as conducting an audit of the fed to get an accurate picture of how bad the situation really is.

Every one should read up on the process/theory of reserve fraction banking, and seriously consider what they would do in the event of true US currency collapse. Strongly look into barter systems and what would be involved in creating local currencies and commodity trading on the local level. Look at your local food resources and envision if all food trade ceased “today” what would my response be?

If fuel hit $60 a gallon all produce movement would stop regardless of how much existed in cold storage. Getting to and from your job would not only be impossible, but would not be worth the effort due to the fact that your paycheck would have little if any value. I know this seems like a Y2K type scenario, but all one need do is look at countries such as Iceland to see what currency collapse looks like in the micro scale.

Many of my friends that live and breath finance and spread sheets ( they have no life ) have educated me in the bigger picture of currency movement and manipulation. Many argue that who ever the true puppet masters are would NOT allow a currency collapse to occur and many may be perhaps utilizing current devaluation to solidify their control.

I take a somewhat neutral position in that just as the Pentagon can design biological and chemical weapon systems, I feel that it is a grave error to make an assumption that they can always maintain 100% control of those weapons, and that ultimately the true puppet masters of our finance system could unleash something which they arrogantly thought they could control and use to their advantage.

Follow the Boy Scout Rule and be prepared!

“We should learn from Greece in not what to do”
So why are we going down the same Tax and Spend road eddie?
Greece is just the tip of the iceburg . . . Italy, Spain, Portugal and France are all in DESPERATE shape . . . Last year the Oby Admin printed 900 BILLION to buy their own Debt . . . this works for you eddie?
Only a complete fool would think that Obamy is doing anything to improve the economic conditions in the USA . . .

The Left is using the debt as a tool to collapse the capital system and that open the door to fundamentally transforming the economic system . Thats why they act as if there is no debt issue .

A case study in Brazil’s economic troubles

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/case-study-brazils-economic-troubles-180806635.html

Bolivia , http://www.heritage.org/index/country/bolivia , Bolivia’s economic freedom score is 47.9, making its economy the 156th freest in the 2013 Index. Its overall score is 2.3 points worse than last year, reflecting a significant erosion of investment freedom, labor freedom, and monetary freedom. So your point is mute eddie

A case study in Brazil’s economic troubles

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/case-study-brazils-economic-troubles-180806635.html

Bolivia , ht tp://www.heritage.org/index/country/bolivia , Bolivia’s economic freedom score is 47.9, making its economy the 156th freest in the 2013 Index. Its overall score is 2.3 points worse than last year, reflecting a significant erosion of investment freedom, labor freedom, and monetary freedom. So your point is mute eddie

Greece is still irrelevant and what Tony said about Bolivia is pretty much what I was implying!

Daly, what happens when the interest goes up? why print some more paper, its worked for so long why bother to think it won’t work in the future.

Warrior, what kind of math are you doing. Oh you mean 62% of the reich wing who is about 1% of the population ,a d post here.
Shara Palin math. You are on top of it guy .stay right here on this page.Please stay here.

Eddie . . . you clown . . . that’s precisly what many Business Men in Europe and America are looking at TODAY . . . from car companies to high tech . . .
Their populations tend to be well educated (compared to the USA) and willing to work hard.
Like always eddie . . . you are the “Last to Know” . . .

Totalitarianism is all about controlling and corrupting communications among the civilized societies and creating a distrust that then leads to breakdown in civility causing Governments to react .
Rossen Reports: Webcam hackers can spy on you in secret , could CIA/ facebook come through your live camera or skype on your phone or PC into your home or office ?

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2013/01/24/16641666-rossen-reports-webcam-hackers-can-spy-on-you-in-secret?lite

Dale is saying that Bulgaria is the Mexico of Europe?

“Guess he didn’t take her smart pills”? I guess you didn’t take your smart pills either!

Well then…by your reasoning powers…..President Bush must be far smarter than Obama…he flew aircraft for the National Guard.
Cheers!
CC.

Hedgehog, he might have figured out that those smart pills were actually rabbit turds.

Manual,
“My God is a God of vengeance, he’s been defering his vengeance for a long time but there has to be a pay day some day”

A very, very sad comment.

I’m glad I’m an old man. I was raised in a time and place where my moma cut a sardine in half to feed two of her children. yep, you realy have a lot to teatch me. then maybe I will be gone and not see the misery, I was born in misery and I hate it!

I want to leave you with one more clue yet. Its obvious some of you guys are absolutely clueless about the econnomy.
The wealth of America is like a loaf of bread that people take slices from and people work for those slices. Now, when a few people have to many sices there is not enough bread left for the rest and thus, you have the poor.
In America about 1% of the people have almost half the loaf and that means they simply have to much and that weakens the economy. So how did the top 1% acquired so much wealth? smart investment and low labor wages and not paying enough taxes thats how.
So, your wonderful government has moved Jobs overseas and imports thing at lower prices so those whome want to market in America, if its made overseas they will have to meet the demands of your government and if its made in America they well have to compete with the prices for goods imported and that is your wonderfull government’s solution to the econnomy. The collapse of the Housing market was meant to transfer wealth from the poor to the ritch except that it backfired when it got to big the public had a change of heart and said forget it. The ritch said, can’t make money with it anymore so, forget it. The banks got stock with it and lost a bunch of money so the same Government that inflated the housing market also went ahead and bailed the banks out of bankruptsy so the banks would survive with your tax dollars of course.
Considering what was transferred from bush to Obama you have to say Obama did a good gob of keeping the country afloat, much better than Bush who took over the country with a strong econnomy and left the country’s econnomy in ruins as he left office.
But now what can Obama do? Well, he has a lot of wealth in a few hands so, if they don’t want to invest He realy can’t do much except for raising taxes on the rich which is what he is already doing.
So now you say, it souds like socialism should be the best system. No! with socialism everybody goes poor and there will be no ritch. that is because there is no reason to thrive cause there is no reward for it. You must keep ambition alive since it is the driving force for getting ritch. when you have opportunity, ambition and hard work success is almost assured and ritches is highly possible but you can’t allow all the ritches to accumulate in a few hands which is what your wonderfull government has done over the last 30 years or so and thats why America is in the shape it is in, why the debt that may very well drive the greatest nation on earth to the weakest nation on earth.
“shame on you, you creeps in Washington responsible for it”

Yes, but he can actually make an argument unlike 90% of the right-wing posters on this site.

Communisum/socialism will never work, never has and never will, nobody wants to be a slave.

Communisum/socialism requires a slave class to do all the work, maybe when we invent robots to do all the work, but then if we make the robots to smart they will not want to be slaves either.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Yes, myopinion, we all swallowed the kool-aid for decades, after the United Nations was formed on 24 Oct 1945:

http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2199

NASA’s space program was corrupted by communistic pseudo-science, as Harrison Schmitt, the last man to walk on the moon, recently realized:

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/01/23/last-man-to-walk-on-the-moon/

So did a lot of other retired NASA scientists and engineers who object to their children and grandchildren living under Orwellian communism.

http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/SummaryPrelimReport.html

The actions of the British astronomer, Sir Fred Hoyle, and the British author of “Animal Farm” and “1984″ in 1946 reveal the birth of this movement to impose Orwellian misinformation on the American public as “consensus science” and to bring the United States under the control of international communism:

http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2199

With deep regrets,
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA Principal
Investigator for Apollo

How is questioning an argument rather than simply accepting it mean I have drank the kool aid. I never said Obama is always right. I just said the accusation that he is a socialist is false. Just because you don’t like someone does not make them socialist.

Jeremy: I just said the accusation that he is a socialist is false.

I agree, Jeremy! Obama is no socialist, neither is he a Communist or a Muslim. Obama is a Fascist, a corporate-shill and a wall-street and military-industrial-complex puppet. But definitely not, a Socialist!

Mark, unfortunately you are 1 (one) of 100% of mentally pervert left-winger posters on this site who just tap-dancing the same nonsensical talking points and mantras WITHOUT any prove.
Yea, we know that the LIE is “virtue” of libtards.

“Magna est veritas et praevalet” – “The truth is great and shall prevail”

WTS . . . ALL fascists are socialists . . . just as ALL communists are socialists . . .
Socialism is the economic engine of all collectives . . . and as we can observe around the world . . . Dismal Failures ! ! !

Dale: That’s like saying since crony Capitalism is corrupt and devastating to a country’s economy then all of Capitalism must be corrupt!

FreedomFigher:

No one wants to be a slave? Alas my good man, 51% voted to be slaves.

If he’s not careful, he’ll end up up in the White House-same brain power!!!

Jay

“agree, Jeremy! Obama is no socialist, neither is he a Communist or a Muslim. Obama is a Fascist”. Why Jay. You had me and then you lost me. Obama is not a fascist.

My Opinion and Frank – At least Jeremy knows how to spell. “swollow”? “idiousy”?

Frank; Is that the extent of your “rational” discussion? The tax rate in America in the late 40′s-late 50′s was 82-91%. Our economy did fairly well. Even in the 60′s when it was around 70% our economy went gang busters. Don’t you think that since our economy was doing poorly in the last 12 years with lower tax rates that maybe that isn’t the major problem. Taxes are only a piece of the pie so could you come up with something more rational than attacking Jeremy? MY OPINION SAYS: The old kool aid drivel and nothing else! Now that makes a couple of you definitely not smarter than a 5th grader!

eddie: The tax rate in America in the late 40′s-late 50′s was 82-91%.

My goodness, eddie, you can’t be serious? The tax-rate in America between the 40′s and 50′s varied/fluctuated between 4.4 and 20%. Your 82-91 figures are way off. You need to double-check.

eddie47d is talking about the tax rate for people earning the most money.

Thank you MOMO.

Karolyn huh? You cannot even spell Carolyn. Can you spell your political aspiration?–Kommunist? Stupid is not curable. Kurable?

That is my name, Tom. To give you a little education, I am of Polish descent, and in the Polish language, there is no hard C. And, of course, i am not the only Karolyn who spells her name that way. What hole have you been hiding in? And what difference does it make anyway? Just spouting inanities to make yourself feel good?

Karolyn learned to spell “swallow” at the strip club she wrks for.

Does that mean you are shooting arrows in the dark and trying to see where they stick? Dark Archer has been drinking more than kool aid and sounds more like the angry Bolshevik! You know something is wrong when Raul Castro is praised as a Capitalist. I’d like to see one of you especially Steve E tell us one country that doesn’t have Socialist programs? Even Singapore allows socialism so good luck in drinking your own kool aid cocktail!

I don’t support communism Dark. I support Obama but I think a reasoned and fair opposition is important. I do not see crying socialism and communism at anything people dislike as being reasoned and fair.

eddie, at least you admit that you and Obama is a socialist. Or did I trick you into that?

Yes there is socialism in America Steve E so what is your point? Same as under Bush or Nixon or Clinton for that matter! The only one being “tricked” is your mental state!

Is he going to fix it? I’m curious as to what you’ll say in 4 years when we’ll be worse off than we are now. Will it still be Bush’s fault?

Really? He’s gonna fix it?

When the hell is he gonna start???

Obama is the anti-christ and his duty is to destroy this country. He is ahead of schedule.

Maybe we should quit running up bills, then maybe we can start to pay off this debt.

And just how much would that fair share be, in your opinion? 80%? 90%? Don’t you believe someone who works hard AND SMART deserves to profit from his labors, both physical and intellectual? Isn’t that what we have always called the “American Dream?” Isn’t the whole idea of BUILDING WEALTH what America is and always has been about?

In America, everyone has OPPORTUNITY! That’s what our Declaration of Independence declares, and our Constitution is designed to perpetuate. Nothing is mentioned about actually ATTAINING success, because that depends on the individual and their WORK ETHIC! Those who do not labor intelligently will wind up working all their life with nothing to show for it, in the end. Those who SPEND all their money as soon as they get it, will wind up with no money and will not be successful, while those who SAVE AND INVEST will be successful. Are those who use their BRAINS less deserving than those who do not? What makes you think someone who “spent their pay on beer and whiskey” have some claim on MY MONEY, which I refused to spend foolishly?

I’m not rich, never have been, never will be, but neither do I believe ANYONE owes me a living. I’ll make it the same way I always have, by working and EARNING enough money to support my lifestyle. Maybe you should try that sometime…

Four years ago:
• Jobless claims hit 14-hear high
• Housing starts hit 12-year low
• Wall street crash continues, 50% of value lost
• GM closing factories, entering bankruptcy
• Housing, labor data indicate worst economic crisis since Great Depression
• After 7 long years, wars in Irq and Afganistan rage on without any end in sight
• Republican leaders predict that allowing gays to serve will ruin troop morale
• CIA confirms that video released online, mocking Bush and Cheney, is Osama Bin Laden, alive and well, somewhere in Afganistan or Pakistan

Today:
• Jobless claims drop to five-year low
• Housing starts climb to highest rate since June 2008
• Wall Street at 5-Year High
• GM to Invest $1.5B in N. American Factories
• Housing, labor data provide upbeat signs on economy
• Administration announces that plans to pull troops out of Afganistand are on schedule
• Top military leaders agree that move to allow gays to serve has no negative impact
• In other news, nobody has heard from Osama bin Laden for a long, long time

Who’s bills? I wasn’t consulted about the spending spree. I don’t owe any of these bills, but you may feel free to pay whatever TPTB tells you to pay.

I disagree – he is NOT MY president! As to his going to fix anything, doubtful, in my humble opinion.

Obammy . . . his mother was a marxist, his grandfather was a marxist, his mentor was a Communist . . . his buddy Ayers was a Terrorist . . . and the O is just a “normal” guy that wants to fix somebody else’s mistakes ?
Did he fix the Klinton Housing Bubble?
Did he fix the vast overspending in the last Bush budget 2007 . . . when the deficit was a gigantic 160 Billion dollars?
Did he fix the broken welfare system?
Did he fix the double digit Unemployment problem?
But he got us Free Healthcare . . . Free Foodstamps . . . Years of Unemployment Insurance . . .
He shut down oil exploration of federal land, he stopped evil pipelines, he shut down coal mines and coal generating plants . . . and now he wants to take your guns.
Will the entire USA look more like Chicago in the next 4 years?
As Investment Capital flees the USA . . . will there be ANY jobs levt in 4 years?

Dale you need to check your numbers.
Bush’s REAL deficit for 2007, actual increase in national debt not published numbers, was 500 billion. His deficit for 2008 was 1.4 trillion.
here is the link
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

400 billion of that was his tax cut, 400 billion of that was increase in military spending.
Would the republicans ever allow those to be repealed?

The so-called Clinton era tax rates, were only put back into place for the top 2% and because of those rates, only 20% didn’t pay any income tax. The Bush tax breaks amounted to 80+ billion a year for the top 5% and almost 320 billion a year for the other 95%. So KG, the ones who benifited the most, aren’t paying their fair share. Today 47% aren’t paying any fed income tax, yet we bring more and more revenue. Clinton had a balanced budget at the end of his term, because Government spending was 17% of GDP, today it’s 26%.. Clinton’s last budget adjusted for inflation would have a budget surplus, then again the last Bush budget adjusted for inflation and Bush’s tax rates, would also have a budget surplus, yet fewer people would be paying FED income taxes (the poorer of us ) under Bush’s plan than Clinton’s. . So Clinton taught us that SMALLER Government works and Bush taught us that cutting taxes works, so did Reagan and Kennedy. So what Mr.Root says is true, and FORMER Communist countries are using the same principles that made this country great before Elitists and special interests bought the parties that run our Government?

If I be so bold may I ask what type of work you do? I am a disabled Vietnam veteran. I am only guessing but I assume that you work nights being as you are free to blog in the middle of the day. I do believe that most of the people trying to make their points here completely got lost in their haste to defend Obama. If one truly reads the article with an open mind they should come to the conclusion that it was not only about taxes. Taxes were only one half of the equation. employment was the other half. Along with the lower taxes there was lower unemployment which means business invested more for expansion creating more jobs. If I might infringe up on your time just a bit. 10%of 150000=15000. 40%of15000=6000. This goes back to would you rather have a small percent of a large thing, or a large percent or a small thing. Think about it and do your own math. Even with lower taxes more employed people means more revenue. Mr Root is right these figures are from my 12 year old grand daughter. I submit, are you smarter that a 12 year old?

So Kane I am a troll because I questioned Mr. Roots argument. How exactly?

You guys just cannot understand who President Obama really is. You didn’t think that somewhere in this universe there lived a young black intelligent, articulate man who will one day surface and change the face of America. You all can’t walk in his shoes. You’re so very jealous! Just think on this: Senator in 2000, President in 2008/2012. The losers call him names – all knds of names – did he respond? No.He is a class act, and there is a move afoot to extend Presidential terms (like Bloomberg did) so that President Obama can run again and win(landslide victory) again. He is the Prnce from the East (read the bible)

Mason,
U need to study the Word of God.

v,Mason please re-read the bible , the prince of the east is one of the many anti-christs. You are correct in saying that it is obama

up the hill
airborne

Barack Obama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power.

Obama comes from the orbit of the Ford Foundation, and has never won public office in a contested election. His guru and controller is Zbigniew Brzezinski, the deranged revanchist and Russia-hater who dominated the catastrophic Carter presidency 30 years ago. All indications are that Brzezinski recruited Obama at Columbia University a quarter century ago. Trilateral Commission co-founder Brzezinski wants a global showdown with Russia and China far more dangerous for the United States than the Bush-Cheney Iraq adventure.

Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today.

Obama is a recipe for a world tragedy!

LORD LOVE A DUCK, JAY!!!!

You post some crazy stuff just to see if anyone is paying attention, but this is one of your better efforts! You bring up Zbiggy? Whose only connection to O’Bama was that Zbiggy liked him 4 years ago—-he sure doesn’t now—-seems like he’s attacking O’Bama’s foreign policy ideas lately. So which O’Bama is “a recipe for a world tragedy!”? The one Zbiggy likes or the one Zbiggy doesn’t like? Can’t have it both ways, JAY.

WOW! This is an absolutely stunning statement! “Barack O’Bama is a deeply troubled personality, the megalomaniac front man for a postmodern coup by the intelligence agencies, using fake polls, mobs of swarming adolescents, super-rich contributors, and orchestrated media hysteria to short-circuit normal politics and seize power”.

You’ve got talent, JAY—-it’s hard to jam so much horsepucky into such a short statement, and it’s even literate and uses multi-syllabic words—-that will make the kool-aid drinkers suck it right down, since they won’t really understand what you say. But it sounds good—-like what they WANT to believe so badly—-so you’ll score nicely with them.

WOW AGAIN!! You are on top of your game with this one!!! “Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama. Obama’s lemming legions and Kool-Aid cult candidacy hearken back to Italy in 1919-1922, and raise the question of postmodern fascism in the United States today”

Anyone who can string together a string of psychedelia of this caliber deserves to be complimented. (and where do you get your ‘shrooms?—-do they do mail order?)

“Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity,
Obama’s lemming legions,
Kool-Aid cult candidacy,
Italy in 1919-1922,
postmodern fascism in the United States today”

Excellent!

PS Have you whacked JeffyH upside the head yet today?—-I’ve been living real life and haven’t looked around the threads much yet today—-I’m sure Jeffy has probably tried for 3 days in a row of “stupid” somewhere on PLD. I know it’s a burden on you, all this “mentoring”, but the integrity of the “Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us” shop demands it of you.

Zbig is an infamous Cold War hawk who has managed to re-invent himself in the eyes of some dupes by opposing the Iraq adventure, mainly because it is bad for imperialism. Zbig did not mention that the reason he wants to downplay certain aspects of US aggression in the Middle East is to free up resources for use in the much bigger and more dangerous adventures which the Trilateral Commission is now directing.
Zbig is the mastermind of the Kosovo secession under KLA terrorist auspices, a gambit against Serbia and Russia to prepare a coming Operation Barbarossa II against Moscow. With the help of his son Mark Brzezinski, another top foreign policy controller of Obama, Zbig is also behind the new Euromissiles crisis involving US ABM installations in Poland. Zbig is the enforcer for the new CIA policy of killing Pakistanis (as “terrorists”) without consulting the government of that country, a nuclear power twice as big as Iran.

Most dangerous of all, Zbig is the obvious mastermind of the massive destabilization of China now ongoing, starting with the CIA/MI-6 Tibet insurrection, which has placed the US on a collision course with China, a superpower with 1.4 billion people and thermonuclear weapons which can strike US cities, a far cry from the helpless and defenseless targets preferred by the neocons. It is an open secret that Zbig intends to attempt a color revolution or CIA people power coup in China. The dangers of these lunatic policies are infinitely worse than anything that could ever come out of the Middle East.

Senator Jay Rockefeller and Trilateral/BIlderberger boss Joseph Nye are also big Obama-supporters. Nye is the theoretician of “soft power,” a new form of imperialist aggression based on economic warfare, subversion, deception, and people power coups. They want Obama to mobilize soft power to give a face lift to US imnperialism.

Brzezinski’s goal is confrontation with the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the main world center for resistance to US-UK global domination.

Anti-war activists are still fixated on Iran, but Brzezinski is not – his target is China, TWENTY times bigger than Iran, with ICBMs ready to launch, followed by Russia, the world’s biggest nuclear power. Such confused activists need to focus on stopping the next war – the final global showdown with Pakistan, China, and Russia. That means rejecting
Brzezinski’s-puppet Obama.

Zbigniew Brzezinski, born in Warsaw, Poland, in 1928, the son of a diplomat posted to Canada in 1938, serves as Counselor, Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) and is Professor of American Foreign Policy at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at Johns Hopkins University, Washington, D.C. Brzezinski is said to be a protege of both Nelson A. Rockefeller and Paul H. Nitze (see Nitze School), his CSIS profile states.

In the private sector, Brzezinski serves as an “international advisor of several major US/global corporations.” He is a “frequent participant in annual business/trade conventions” and is President of Z.B. Inc. “(an advisory firm on international issues to corporations and financial institutions). Also a frequent public speaker and commentator on major domestic and foreign TV programs, and contributor to domestic and foreign newspapers and journals.

Brzezinski’s career with the U.S. Government spans several presidents: advisor to John Fitzgerald Kennedy and Lyndon Baines Johnson; policy advisor to James Earl Carter, Jr.; and George Herbert Walker Bush’s co-chair on the National Security Advisory Task Force (1988).

He earned his B.A. (1949) and M.A. (1950) at McGill University and his Ph.D. at Harvard University (1953). He holds honorary degrees from several universities.
Honorary Trustee, Institute of International Education International Board, U.S./Middle East Project International Advisory Board, Journal of Democracy Honorary Member, Academy of Political Science Former Director (1992), National Endowment for Democracy.

In a 1997 interview for CNN’s Cold War Series, Brzezinski hinted about the Carter Administration’s proactive Afghanistan policy before the Soviet invasion in 1979, that he had conceived.

Interviewer: How did you interpret Soviet behavior in Afghanistan, such as the April revolution, the rise of… I mean, what did you think their long-term plans were, and what did you think should be done about it?

Brzezinski: I told the President, about six months before the Soviets entered Afghanistan, that in my judgment I thought they would be going into Afghanistan. And I decided then, and I recommended to the President, that we shouldn’t be passive.

Interviewer: What happened?

Brzezinski: We weren’t passive.
The National Security Archive, Interview with Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski, for CNN’s Coldwar Series, June 13, 1997

7 months after the interview for the CNN series, Brzezinski, in a interview for the French publication, Le Nouvel Observateur, was more forthright, and unapologetically claimed to be the mastermind of a feint which caused the Soviet Union to embark upon a military intervention to support their client government in Kabul, as well as training and arming extremists, which later became the Taliban government.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Zbigniew Brzezinski is Barack Obama’s foreign policy advisor.

Brzezinski was the national security advisor for President Carter from 1977 to 1981.

In 1988 he endorsed HW Bush for President and was Co-Chair of the HW Bush national security advisory task force. From 1987 to 1989 he also served on the HW Bush’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board.

Clinton Secretary of State Madeline Albright was a student of Brzezenski´s.

GW Bush Secretary of State, Condi Rice (also a former national security advisor), who studied under Albright’s father, shares many of the same world government views with
Brzezinski and Albright.

http://euro-med.dk/?p=13551

WTS/JAY says:”Obama’s economics are pure Skull & Bones/Chicago school austerity and sacrifice for American working families, all designed to bail out the bankrupt Wall Street elitist financiers who own Obama.”

I don’t know about the Skull&Bones/Chicago school reference, but the part about Wall Street owning Obama is dead on.

Dang, I compliment JAY on how good he is at spinning horsepucky and it goes to his head.

JAY goes overboard and copies a whole bunch of meaningless info about Zbiggy to distract us and try to impress us—-I’m not impressed. Highlighting, copying, and pasting is not high level thinking.

I’m still waiting for Jay to make some kind of direct connection for us between Zbiggy and Obama that explains and/or justifies the “recipe for a world tragedy!” foolishness.

Vietnam my allegiance is to the Republic. I support Obama but he has done some things which I disagree with and some which I feel are immoral. I feel we need a reasoned and fair opposition and I am concerned that such opposition is getting lost in a shouting match where everyone starts crying FASCIST SOCIALIST and COMMUNIST. Accusing Obama of doing things that he is not doing and of being things that he is not are going to hurt him. And the ensuing side arguments between we the people can only help him get away with more. We are so busy fighting over whether or not Obama is a socialist or communist that we can’t seem to realize the genuine mistakes he has made and what we can do to correct them and hold him accountable.

You know i always thought Congress made the laws And controlled the purse strings. Did i get this confused, Or is it that Congress is also the responsible party.

Wayne Allen Root are these above comments by your loyal followers the extent of the wisdom that you pour on them. They seem to be fighting about who can get out of the barn door first with inane and flippant replies! Its more like a frat party around here with the keg almost empty in their thought process!

Please do not change your sons name on account of me Stanli. Its a good name and I am sure he will grow up to be a good son. Please tell me what it is I have said that makes you think so little of me.

My father is a US MARINE and he calls u a [expletive deleted].

Tea Party . . . dangerous?
Their platform is friggin scarey eh Joe . . .
They want the Federal Govt to FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION . . .
They want the Federal Govt to tax less . . . and balance the budget . . .
They want the Federal Govt to Secure the Friggin Borders . . .

Contrast that to the Dimmicraps . . . who want MORE FREE STUFF, High Taxes, Less Freedom and they want to Take Your Guns . . .

Pretty complicated eh Joe . . . even a guy with 3 functioning brain cells like you should be able to make the “RIGHT” choice . . .

Sarah, do you have a fixation with men’s rear ends? Weren’t you calling mine ugly yesterday and now you’re hot to talk about Jeremy’s being “sorry”. Unlike you, Jeremy doesn’t use his for thinking—he just sits on it.

The “locus” of your immense intellect is evidenced by your still trying to make something out of elections numbers. HEY! O’BAMA WON! ROMNEY LOST AND HAS DISAPPEARED INTO OBSCURITY WITH W, WHERE THEY BOTH BELONG—-along with Herman and Ricky P. and Newt and Michelle and Ricky S and the rest. Get over it—-they lost, you lost, the country WON!.

And it’s tiresome to see you keep bringing up “Agenda 21″ also—didn’t you say that your town was being taken over by it? How about telling us about that? What exactly is going on there and why is it “bad”?

“You talk the talk but you are as dumb as a rock”. You must have the same shoe size as Jeremy

No Brain . . . O’bammy will give the 51% exactly what they voted for . . . some of them Multiple Times . . .
More Free Stuff . . . high unemployment . . . high taxes (of course that won’t apply to you) . . . fewer freedom’s and opportunities . . . and of course a “Green Economy” . . . look how well it worked in Spain and California . . .
I find it amuzing that folks are sooo stoopid ! ! !
4 more years like the last four . . . will All of America look like Chitcago by 2016?

Brian, whenyou find yourself in a hole that you are trying to get out of, the first thing you need to do is stop digging. America is in a finicial hole and over half the people want to stay it and keep digging. Eventually it will cave in on us.

Brian

1: My point was not non sequitur. Paying for things like national defense, infrastructure, police and fire protection involves taking money from one person and giving it to another. That is spreading the wealth around if I ever saw it.

2: Higher taxes does not mean people are going to be less inclined to try and get into higher income brackets.

3: We are not suddenly spending more. We have a recession that we need to get out of. I want to cut spending. However as you pointed out we have a massive debt and deficit to get under control. We need to dedicate more money to paying those off. We can best do that by cutting spending and raising revenue.

4: Current pensions are not adequate. And while I disagree with Obama care I do not disagree with the idea that prompted it and I agree with some parts of it.

5: I agree that ours is not a pure capitalist system however I will point out it is no where near fascist.

6: The problem Brian is Mr. Root and many others are making responsibility for so many people being on food stamps an issue and they are unfairly blaming Obama. I can respect an honest discussion of his policies. However I do not like a petty blame game.

7: Obama only “took over” the auto industry because the private sector refused to help bail it out. I disagree with the bailouts of wall street but it wasn’t because he preferred them. Obama supported certain green industries because he thought they would be winners. The whole point of investing is to pick winners and try not to pick losers. And Fast and Furious was an incompetent blunder. However it did not undermine the constitution.

8: I simply find it contradictory to condemn communism whilst claiming to take lessons from communists.

9: He mentioned China when he mentioned Hong Kong. The problem with a flat tax is it expects everyone to pay the exact same percentage regardless of how much a person makes. And the issue with broadening the tax base is there are many Americans who can barely make ends meet and who already contribute to payroll, social security and state and sales taxes. They simply do not pay federal income taxes because their income is so low. Many talk about the incredible burdens placed on the “rich” or the “job creators” yet they seem to have no problem placing similar burdens on people who earn far less.

10. Brian the whole point of my statement about communism and socialism was I felt Mr. Roots argument was a straw man and semantics one. My problem was it seemed like Mr. Root was confusing something he does not like with either communism or socialism. That Mr. Root called Obamas ideas communist and socialist simply because he did not like them. I was simply pointing out that not liking something makes it neither socialist or communist.

11: Obama may not have flat out said we have a spending problem. However according to you he did say “It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills” and “America has a debt problem”. Sounds like an admission of a problem to me.

Makes me wonder how he got reelected, Makes me wonder how these same Politicians stay in office their whole lives. Makes me wonder where the Road leads to.
But keep your eyes on the news folks, We are in for a lot more Destruction and Killing.
How can these people say the war is over when it has just started.

Jeremy, as I said I am a disabled Vietnam veteran and have a lot of time to research. Unlike some here that only listen to that which agrees with their personal views, and therefore do no open minded research of their own. I spend a lot of time in the public talking to a lot of different people from different walks of life and I can assure you that according to these different walks of life they have different views. It is my personal experience that those that are of the working,tax paying, bill paying,taking care of their families type people do not support Obama and his policies. Unfortunately they are in the minority in this country and can reason for themselves for they are responsible people. On the other hand it is my personal experience that those that are on welfare,free medical,free phone,non working,no responsibility, support Obama in every move he makes and I have even been threatened by these people for stating my own views. Now I am not by nature a violent person however I have a concealed carry permit and I do now carry. In short those that feel the world owes them a living can and do get violent when questioned. I put my life on the line for freedom and sometimes when confronted by those that only want to take and will kill for their right to do so, I wonder why I did. My 12 yer old grand daughter has more common sense than all of The Obama supporters put together. I am proud that she thinks for herself,and that she can carry on a more intelligent and open minded conversation than any I have observed here. I swore an oath to defend the constitution and the freedom of the people and as of today the people have not relieved me from that oath, so even though I get down now and then I still have my grand daughter to lift me up and I swear that I will stand true to that oath as long as I live.Now I really don’t care if you like what I have said or don’t like what I have said. Understand this, I didn’t say these things because I wanted to change your mind and I didn’t say them because I wanted you to be my friend, I said them because they are true. The only advice I can give you is do your own research and start with Hitlers take over of Germany. If that doesn’t give you a different view of Obama then nothing in this world will no matter how true it is. I call what is going on in this country the teenage mentality. It won’t happen to me, it won’t happen here. I’m sure the people in Greece had the same frame of mind at one time. Go take in some more of the liberal media cool-aid. I could go on but I fear I would be wasting time that could be better spent elsewhere, like talking to my grad daughterr

I am 23 Ernest. And I am in between semesters and jobs right now. However I assure you I am not on any public assistance.

Jeremy,

I’ve read a few of your posts today, and after learning you are 23, I have to say that I’m impressed. You obviously have given many of these critical issues a lot of thought, and you express yourself for the most part very eloquently and logically, especially for someone your age. However, I have to tell you that I disagree with your socialist leanings and defense of the President, but I owe that mostly to the fact that I’m old enough to be your grandfather. When I was your age, I had similar thoughts as you. However, my experience in business, further education especially in finance and economics, paying taxes while trying to raise a family and make ends meet, have caused me to lean much more conservative in my later years. I have come to believe that government really isn’t our friend as much as many think it is, but more of an additional force to reckon with as we plod along life’s path. It’s tempting to believe that a big government can solve all of our critical problems, but the truth is the folks that work in government really aren’t all that smart, and worse yet, they really aren’t all that motivated to solve our problems like we would like to believe. What government really does well is tax us and force us into compliance. I believe it is true that they have done “some” good things over time with the taxes they collect which private businesses might not have been able to do, but it is probably also true that they have screwed up things and wasted our money just as often.

Your concerns about big business are well founded, except to say that the problem isn’t just big business by itself. The problem is corruption by businesses (often very large corporations and let’s add in unions and other politically motivated organizations) and our politicians who we think are protecting us. What the government is really doing is regulating businesses into compliance with their rules so that they (the government) has power over these businesses. That ends with businesses trying to buy favor with the politicians, and politicians using the businesses to accomplish their most favored political goals which are often not in the country’s best interests.

While not perfect at all times and in every instance, I believe the market is generally a better way of protecting our interests on most things most of the time. The market doesn’t care if you’re a Republican or Democrat, it simply rewards those who offer the most value at the lowest cost, regardless what the commodity is. It is true that everyone doesn’t benefit the same, but then everyone doesn’t offer as much value to the market, so those that do offer more value reap the largest benefit, and those who don’t offer as much value reap the least benefit. This method rewards those who help our society the most and gives incentives to those who don’t to do better to get larger rewards in the future. While this method may seem unfair because rewards aren’t equally distributed, it actually rewards good performance better and raises the standard of living for more people than any other known method, so in the end, it is a better economic system.

So, thanks again for your thoughtful responses. I look forward to having discussions like this with you in the future.

Also I do not work for the government.

I wonder what he is going to do when he gets out of school? I have talked to hundreds that are college graduates working in Wal-mart and McDonalds I guess Obama is going to give him his life style

Hey genius,

Did you ever hear of evening + night shift? In my profession (nursing); day shift is 7:00AM-3:30PM, evening shift is 3:00PM-11:30PM, and night shift is 11:00PM-7:30AM. My Director Of Nursing position, before retirement, was day shift which was great! Evening + night shift suck, but, if these are worked, one is home during ‘normal working hours’ (9A-5P). You cannot assume that someone is unemployed or a ‘freeloader’ because of when they are at home. The poster, to whom you responded, could even be posting while at work during a break or during lunch hour.

By the way, My D.O.N. position was at a psychiatric center. Many of my psych. patients made more sense than many who post here! Seriously!!!!

Why? You don’t have to read a comment if you think it’s
too long.

Ann

First- I like the joke but do not feel it represents our countries situation. Its not simply that some schmuck in the street can say Obama is an idiot. Members of Congress and widely watched news anchors are able to call the President far worse things and present various levels of evidence to support their claims to the people. And in addition unlike Russia before it became the USSR our country has a tradition and culture opposed to anything that stinks of tyranny or absolutism. After all look at how people seem to cry Fascism and Communism at even the slightest increase in government size. I do not see our country becoming anything like the USSR any time soon.

Second- No one that any sane person listens too blames Bush for all of todays problems. And personally I don’t listen to those who call Obama critics racists anymore than I listen to those who call Obama supporters fanatics. I am an Obama supporter and I tend to lean to political correctness. But I would oppose anyone who called someone a racist simply because they criticised President Obama.

Third- The bailouts would not be necessary if regulations were in place to stop people in wall street from playing their crooked games. And we need better tax policies. But not ones which give corporations like Exon Mobile a free ride to the cayman islands.

Forth- I support reducing spending. I just believe reducing spending needs to be done judicially and that alone it is not enough.

Fifth- With respect Ann if you are referring to the same 47% Romney mentioned there are some things you should know. Included in the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax include groups like Military Veterans, the Elderly and the working poor. And in the case of the working poor they still pay payroll and state and sales and local taxes. These groups cannot be condemned as being dependent on government. We as a society have a responsibility to help the suffering amongst us. Especially if they have given so much to us.

Sixth- Obama did not change the system of food stamps. He did not make it easier to obtain them. The increase in the number of people applying for and subsequently being on food stamps is a direct result of the mortgage crisis and bank failures which left not a few people bankrupt.

Seventh- I agree with you about the corruption in government. My concern is the unchecked outcry of Fascism and Communism while stop people from trying to combat the corruption and to simply give up and demand the government be destroyed.

Eighth- I accept that things are attached to supply and demand. The reason I showed the article was because first I believed it challenged the argument that our country is communist and second that I do not like the uneven distribution and want it to be somewhat more equitable. Reducing taxes does not make more goods. It simply gives those in the highest income brackets more money to save in their personal accounts. We tried lowering taxes under Bush and all we got for it was billions of dollars in bonuses given by wall street firms to their own CEOS. I am not a murderer and I would never support a gulag. I am a social democrat. I do not believe in a true socialist system which is where no private property is allowed. I believe a system where the government belongs to the rich is inherently a capitalistic one rather than a socialist one. That’s why I believe in Social Democracy where in the workers do not have control but are guaranteed an equal voice. Where the people through their government do not control the means of production and where corporations are still free but where they are kept under regulations to prevent excess and insure the people are a check against corporate power. For me the ideal system is neither socialist or purely capitalist but where the people through their government are a check against corporatism. Our current system allows too much freedom to corporations. As such I do not consider our current system to be socialist. One main reason is whenever I hear any politician suggest that we need more regulations on big business they are almost immediately decried as socialists.

Ben you are wasting tour time on Jeremy. He is in the college group just as my niece is and will bat the liberals until he gets out of school and can’t find a job. My niece is one of those that owe student loans and has no job, sorry I told you so and you wouldn’t listen and refused to do the research, can’t help those that refuse to help themselves. For you information Jeremy I am a veteran and heard on M.S.N.B.C. during the presidential campaign you statement about the Republicans cutting benefits on the elderly and veterans so I had an attorney explain to me what was in the plan. Social security and medicare for those 55 years of age and older would not be changed. Veterans benefits would not be effected, in fact medical care would be improved. Oh and this attorney was a registered Democrat. I consider myself to be observant and although I don’t agree with any television news media I have to say that Fox will invite liberals to give them their views and allows then to speak and finish their point. I can not say that for the liberal media. I believe when in a discussion, when one keeps interrupting it is a sign that they fear what you have to say. Good night all I am going to bed

That sums things up quite well Benjamin Fox. Do not know if I could have said it better myself. Thank you.

Ted he is a blantant liar.
Any time Your see someone that can be so perfectly eleqwent, and so shrued with Ideas they are always a Liar Liar. Know why? A man like Obama has no remorse, no sense of guilt or conscious, therefore when he is speaking he is much better focus on telling you what you want to hear rather than digging out the truth thats not quite so easy.
Hope someone learn something here.

Thanks Ted for the comments. I agree with you 100% we are about to undergo fundamental change that may not be repairable in the next 5 administrations. Good news is I doubt we will make it that far as a United States, as China may come to their senses and limit or deny an increase in the credit of the federal government.

Governor Johnson was spot on when he discussed systemic change that NEEDS to occur NOW as far as tax policy and spending are concerned. We needed to get the meat cleaver out not a scalpel, when one considers the river of debt that we are continuing to accumulate. Depressions just like recessions are nothing more than natural correction factors that are cyclical and must occur ( despite our best efforts AKA QE 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 etc……………………) very similar to pandemics in that respect ( which is also about due ).

The vast majority of Americans will not figure this out unfortunately, until their welfare check only buys them a loaf of bread due to our currency collapsing as a result of Mr. Bernake’s actions. And all those that preach the morality of investing and saving will most likely find the Fed using their 401 K or other pension/SS as collateral for the next advance from who ever they can convince/con into lending them it’s next payday.

The 80% percent of Americans that still have jobs will finally see that the Wolf is at the door when the National “Affordable” Care Act comes into fruition and 16,000 new IRS agent are at YOUR DOOR! I doubt that they will focus too much on the non productive members of our society, as they have already been subjugated and their vote can already be assured. YOU however can rest assured that no stone will be left unturned.

Sorry for the dire prediction everyone, and I am certain that our liberal friends will strongly disagree just as they feel that Operation Fast and Furious was just a “bungled” operation.

The President should understand that inputs at the helm of a sinking ship have very little affect.

Best of wishes everyone