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Obama’s ‘In Your Face’ Nominations

January 18, 2013 by  

Obama’s ‘In Your Face’ Nominations
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Barack Obama seems to have a "my way or the highway attitude" now that he's embarking on a second term.

Barack Obama’s second term hasn’t even officially begun. But we already know that the tone will be even more demanding and confrontational than his first term. That became clear in the so-called negotiations over the fiscal cliff.

Except there weren’t really any negotiations. It was pretty much “my way or the highway.” One of his most recalcitrant representatives in discussions with Congressional leaders was White House Chief of Staff Jack Lew.

In fact, Lew’s intransigence so infuriated Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell that the normally mild-mannered Republican refused to meet with him anymore. To show you just how extreme Lew was, the Democrats brought in Vice President Joe Biden as a “moderating” influence. Imagine Biden being the calming voice in the room.

So how did all those negotiations end? Here’s how veteran Washington observer Pat Buchanan described the results:

“Rather than do a deal with Speaker John Boehner and offer one-for-one budget cuts for tax hikes, the president forced congressional Republicans into a humiliating climb-down and public retreat that split the House majority asunder. Then he spiked the football to rub it in, saying he had made good on his pledge to make the rich pay.”

Obama then added insult to injury, at least as far as conservative Republicans are concerned, by nominating Lew to succeed Timothy Geithner as Secretary of the Treasury.

John Carney, an editor at CNBC.com, said that by nominating Lew for the Treasury post, Obama was being intentionally antagonistic. Indeed, he is sending a “pointed message” that he is now ready to “pick fights with Congress.”

Indeed, that is precisely what has been happening.

Two years ago, when he was serving as Obama’s budget director, Lew testified that Obama’s budget “will get us… to the point where we can look the American people in the eye and say we’re not adding to the debit anymore.”

What a joke! Instead of not adding to the debt, Obama increased the national debt by $6 trillion in four short years. His Administration overspent receipts by more than $1 trillion a year every year he’s been in office.

And now he’s demanding that the debt ceiling be increased — or even worse, abolished altogether — so the spending spree can continue. To put it another way, for every dollar the Federal government spends, it saddles our children and grandchildren with an additional 34 cents of debt.

So much for promises of “not adding to the debt anymore.”

Lew’s nomination to the Treasury post probably won’t receive the opposition it should. There would have been a ton of fireworks on Capitol Hill had Obama proceeded with his original plan to appoint U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice to succeed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. But the Administration wisely decided that it didn’t want to face the barrage of negative questioning that would have occurred over Rice’s repeated deceptions about the terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya in September.

The last thing anyone in the Administration wanted was more attention placed on the murder of Christopher Stevens, our ambassador to Libya, and three other Americans. So Rice was persuaded to withdraw her name from consideration. Instead, Obama went with the very safe nomination of the liberal senior Senator from Massachusetts, John Kerry.

Kerry’s vision of what this country’s role in the world should be is certainly vastly different from mine… and probably yours. But it isn’t strikingly different from that of his new boss. He is generally respected by his colleagues in the Senate, or at least not too heartily disliked. After some tough questioning at his confirmation hearings, I predict that he will be easily confirmed to become our latest Secretary of State.

That won’t be the case for Obama’s third nomination that the Senate will have to consider. There will be some heated opposition for Chuck Hagel to succeed Leon Panetta as Secretary of Defense.

Normally, when a President nominates someone from the other party for an important post, it is smooth sailing all the way. This won’t be the case for Hagel, the former Republican Senator from Nebraska. Not only is he to the left of his Republican colleagues, but on some important issues he is to the left of Barack Obama — as hard as that may be to believe.

Hagel has gotten a lot of criticism for comments that made him appear to many as being anti-Israel. How else would one interpret things like “I’m a United States Senator, not an Israeli Senator” or “the Jewish lobby intimidates a lot of people up here [on Capitol Hill]”?

A decade ago, after Yasser Arafat has launched his Second Intifada against Israeli, it was not the Palestinian terrorists whom Hagel condemned. No, he said that “Israel must take steps to show its commitment to peace.”

Charles Krauthammer, the popular FOX commentator, had this to say in response:

“Good God. Exactly two years earlier, Israel had proposed an astonishingly generous peace that offered Arafat a Palestinian state — and half of Jerusalem, a previously unimaginable Israeli concession. Arafat said no, made no counteroffer, walked away and started his terror war. Did no one tell Hagel?”

Regarding cutbacks in the defense budget, Hagel in the past has called the Pentagon “bloated” and says our military “needs to be pared down.” Those views are pretty much in accord with those of Obama. But they are sure to lead to some sharp questioning at his confirmation hearings.

But expect the most heat to be generated over Hagel’s squishy soft attitude toward Iran. Not only has he been outspoken against any military action to end the threat of a nuclear Iran, but he has also opposed American economic sanctions against the terrorist-sponsoring state. He even voted against designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist organization.

Krauthammer rightly calls Hagel “a fringe Senator who left no trace behind.” And he adds, “Hagel matters only because of what his nomination says about Obama.” And he concludes, “The lessons are being duly drawn. Iran’s official media have already cheered the choice of what they call this ‘anti-Israel’ nominee.”

In March, Obama whispered to then-President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia: “This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility.”

Judging by the first three nominations for his new term, we now know what Obama meant by “more flexibility.” He will be even more demanding, hard-nosed and unyielding than he was during his first term. And he will push harder and faster in his quest to transform the country that has twice elected him to our highest office.

You all right to be worried, my friends, about what this means for our once-great Republic. Very worried indeed.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/vanzorge Carolyn VanZorge

    please view this anti-kerry video, and pass it along to your friends.

    note that while the comment section is reserved exclusively for veterans, non-vets can view, “like”, and share the video.

    i am asking that when vets post that they give their DATES OF SERVICE – i want kerry to know that the vets are still breathing down his wretched neck!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWlHojVRH7g

    • Bob666

      Carolyn,
      did you serve?

  • ICEDRAGONNITE

    The last time I heard Communists believe in the overthrow of the USA and its Constitution.
    So this makes them Traitors.

    • Phillip Hendrix

      The terrorist is in the White house .

      • Ron r

        Terrorist in the white house ? I thought he and Chenney were voted out.

  • ME07

    wow! Anyone else notice the person name “Jeff” is following saul alinsky’s rules for radicals. (the progressive’s favorite hand book) He doesn’t use real facts to substantiate his claims. He resorts to name calling instead of engaging in an informed discussion. It should be noted he committed on many different threads in this discussion. The majority of his commits involved name calling too.

    • Jeff

      I haven’t read the book, but from what I understand of his principles, the greatest Alinskyites in modern history have been Newt Gingrich and the Tea Baggers.

    • Jeff

      When someone makes a serious point, I respond seriously. I don’t have to agree to respect someone’s attempt to discuss a serious issue. When I see a post calling Obama a Muslim or one written at the level of a 4th grader, I like to have a little fun. I’d like to say “so shoot me” but this crowd would take that as a literal invitation.

      • chuckb

        jeffy:” When someone makes a serious point, I respond seriously. I don’t have to agree to respect someone’s attempt to discuss a serious issue.
        what a joke.”
        does anyone really care what you think jeffy?

        you don’t understand, barry is a muslim, he is rug carrying member of the jihad motherhood. apparently you self ordained pseudo intellects can’t get this through your pea brains.

        meo7, jeffy can’t respond to the facts, he hasn’t got the faculties, he can only resort to ridicule to cover for his ignorance.

      • Jeff

        I can never respond seriously to you, Chuckie, because you are an illiterate bigot. Apparently, a lot more people agree with me than with you unless we’re talking the Old Confederacy. You just keep fighting that Civil War, you empty-headed twit.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Awww! you poor baby! Jeff is soiling his depends again! Gringo Libtards is going crackers!

      • Jeff

        Does your nurse know you’re up blogging? Isn’t it your nap time?

  • Bob666

    and have a nice day!

  • Bob666

    Yo Deer,
    you forgot my favorite Cheney Quote:

    That Cheney would be the man to get Republicans ginned up is appropriate, because he and his Bush administration colleagues spent money like drunken sailors during their eight years in office. When then-Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill counseled against further tax cuts because of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the war in Afghanistan, Cheney informed him that “Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter,” according to O’Neill’s telling.

    Cheney continued to champion spending late in the Bush administration, urging skeptical House Republicans to support Bush’s plan to bail out Wall Street. He returned later in 2008 in an unsuccessful effort to persuade Republicans to back a bailout of Detroit, warning lawmakers that “if we don’t do this, we will be known as the party of Herbert Hoover forever.”

    And yet, they forget this and it is all “Obummers” fault. For you trolls that will take aim at this stetement, let’s be clear up front. I am not happy with Obama, But you can’t solve a problem until you identify the problem. Obama is only part of the problem, The GOP is equally responsible here (the house) and until people get that fact, all we will witness on this board are empty words.

  • S.C.Murf

    Jeff, right brain fart, flashless mark, you guys are a hoot. Did you watch obamas 23 points for gun control and the kiddies on stage? Lots of bite in all of that right? You guys or gals are fools. You remind me what Dillon once said (how does it feel to be a complete unknown). obama sold you all down the river, how DOES it feel?

    up the hill
    airborne

    • Deerinwater

      SCMurf say; “You remind me what Dillon once said (how does it feel to be a complete unknown). obama sold you all down the river, how DOES it feel? ”

      I feel pretty good, thanks for asking, how do you feel this morning?

      In matters of the unknown ~ as opposed to what ? The known? So what do you actually know? Who do you actually know?

      That people spend their lives worrying about things that have a 10% chance of happening and of that 10% , there is 7 % they can do little about ~ leaving us with a 3% of things we can do something about ~ while spending 30% of our time trying to do something about 3 % sound fascinating. ~

      But I don’t feel “unknown” ~ not at all. ~ You might only wish for something like that.

    • Jeff

      Grampa Smurf:

      I don’t know WTF you’re talking about, but then I’m neither senile nor insane. BTW: it’s “Dylan.”

      • Right Brain Thinker

        No, Jeff, he got it right. Since Smurfy is so wrapped up in the gun thing that he has guns stuck in every orifice in his body, It’s MARSHAL Dillon he’s referring to. Remember him? That “manly man” that “open carried”? One of Smurfy’s heroes?

        Since Smurfy probably spends all his time watching reruns from the 60′s when he’s not cluttering up PLD, I would be willing to bet on his expertise there. I’ll bet he can quote with authority some important things from The Simpsons, Leave it to Beaver, and Welcome Home Cotter as well.

        Find the hill…
        Ask someone which way is up…
        Try to go up and fall down (repeatedly)….
        Airboring!

      • Jeff

        “No, Jeff, he got it right. Since Smurfy is so wrapped up in the gun thing that he has guns stuck in every orifice in his body, It’s MARSHAL Dillon he’s referring to. Remember him? That “manly man” that “open carried”? One of Smurfy’s heroes?”

        I thought of that and it would fit for a gun nut, but what he wrote was a Dylan lyric if memory serves.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    It’s getting so bad that people are waking up in droves now. Today, someone quite close to me, a person who I have known for nearly two decades and who had previously not given much thought to the concept of false flag terrorism, asked me if I thought the powers that be may have played a direct role in the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre.

    You have to understand the significance of this. I have never talked about false flag terrorism with this person, nor has this person ever visited SGT report. We are trusted professional colleagues, period.

    I immediately laid out the most significant inconsistencies and contradictions of the “official” story for this person. The truth of the matter was not lost on her. She stated, “The facts about this story just weren’t adding up. First Fast and Furious, then Benghazi, now this.”

    I told her I would send her the best police audio recordings from December 14th so she could hear for herself that police detained two men fleeing the school in a van (or truck). I also told her I’d send her the video footage of the police capturing a man in the woods. But it appears that some of the very best video clips with the most views have been removed from You Tube. So I checked a story from Natural News by Jon Rappoport which we posted at SGT report on New Year’s Eve titled ‘Sandy Hook police audio confirms multiple shooters on the scene‘. The first link to the clip in that article is now dead.

    And there ya go. “Officials” continue to refuse to address the contradictions in this story. It seems the best way to put an end to the myriad questions about the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre is to pretend that a lot of the stuff that happened that day, didn’t.
    Regardless, it IS waking people up.

    http://sgtreport.com/2012/12/sandy-hook-police-audio-confirms-multiple-shooters-on-the-scene/

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Since the Left decided to politicize the Sandy Hook school shooting; perhaps they would like to address Obama’s “fast and furious” program?

    Since we are talking about gun violence and gun control; perhaps the Left should recognize how guns from Obama’s “fast and furious” program has resulted in the murders of Mexican school children?

    On January 30, 2010, according to the Univision report, hired hit men working for the Mexican cartel La Linea invaded a house and opened fire on nearly 60 teenagers who had gathered there for a birthday party. More shootings occurred outside against neighbors and fleeing students. Univision reported that three of the high-caliber weapons used by the hit men were linked to Operation Fast and Furious.

    This massacre does not appear to be an isolated incident. There is a disturbing pattern in which the ATF lost track of weapons provided to Mexican drug cartels via straw purchasers, some of which later ended up at crime scenes in Mexico. In other words, it allowed suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns in order to try and catch
    bigger fish. But the big fish got away as well after using the guns to kill their prey.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/joseph-klein/operation-fast-and-furious-and-the-massacre-of-mexican-kids/

  • Motov

    Lets just hope we can impeach this clown before he gets started in dismantling what is left of our once great government. His ego could get him into hot water with the public.
    He is by far the worst there ever has been as far as POTUS is concerned, and people think he’s the greatest since sliced bread. He needs to be in a jail cell for the fraud he has and continues to pull. Whatever happened to MLK jr’s “I had a dream speech”? If you looked at the character of this man, his ability to lie right into your face as if he told the truth. He evades the serious questions with gobblety gook language. He is an extremely dangerous man in a very bad place for us.

    On the other hand the GOP hasn’t offered any viable solutions as well other than Ron Paul. The GOP is now a liberal party as well, look no further than their nominee, Romney.
    Often referred as “Obama Light” He is NOT what conservatives are about, and If the GOP wants to be taken seriously, I strongly suggest to try following a document called the Constitution, It should be on the lips of every member of the GOP but they strayed.

    So what is there left to do Tea party? Libertarian? Other?
    Conservatives better start uniting together, get with the program, and fight back for the liberties we are all gonna lose if this clown gets what he wants!
    Welcome To the United Socialistic States of America,…commie-rad.

    • Tommy

      Motov i’m afraid we are too late. the Dems keep saying they will need a decade to fix what w messed up, well 4 years form now will be darn close to a decade, lets talk then when things are not better but possibly far worse. then the Dems will say well i guess we need 2decades to straighten it out. BS, this is a government problem not a Dem vs Repub problem. Of course what do i know, i’m not smart enough to be a Democrat, my loss i guess.

      • Motov

        Insanity is defined as doing the same things over and over, but expecting different results.
        Government’s idea of solving problems, take it over, add bureaucrats, and dump money into it, We get stuck with the bill, they move on to do it again.

      • Jeff

        I agree. Repeating the mistake of Viet Nam in Iraq and Afghanistan was pretty crazy.

      • oh oh

        That’s right, Jeff. No sense in repeating the mistakes of progressive warfare RINOs, but it won’t do any good until we stop repeating the mistakes of progressive welfare liberals as well. Both sides are wrong.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Fifty seven previously unidentified firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious were recovered in sites associated with murders, kidnappings, and at least two gruesome massacres.

    Univision News obtained the list of Fast and Furious weapons and a list containing almost 60,000 recovered firearms compiled by Mexico’s Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (SEDENA). A cross-reference of the serial numbers of the guns resulted in 96 full matches (several partial matches were discarded). The 96 firearms linked to Operation Fast and Furious all turned up at crime scenes in Mexico from 2009 to 2010.

    In a report published on July 26, Congress mentioned there were “at least 48 recoveries involving 122 weapons [in Mexico] connected to Operation Fast and Furious.” To check whether those were the same guns pinpointed by the data cross-reference, Univision News contacted congressional investigators asking for the serial numbers of the 122 guns in Congress’ report. After an initial request by Univision News in mid-September and despite numerous phone calls and emails, there was no further response.

    Who are the human faces of the U.S. government’s botched Fast and Furious gun-walking operation? Watch Video
    Univision News then gathered all the serial numbers available in the evidence appendixes of the major congressional investigation released by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Iowa Senator Charles Grassley last July. Another data analysis showed that five of the weapons in the list of 96 were already mentioned in the hundreds of emails and the 4473 forms that the Department of Justice had given to Congress. (The 4473 forms, also known as Firearm Transaction Records, are the documents that people who are purchasing guns from a Federal Firearm Licensee must fill.)

    A search of SEDENA’s press releases, which often include the serial numbers of seized firearms, resulted in one more firearm whose serial number matched one of those already in Congress’ list.

    Finally, Univision News compared the recovery dates and locations highlighted in The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Fueling Cartel Violence, with those found in the remaining list of 90 weapons. For the cross-reference list and Congress’ list, we divided each year’s recovered guns by state. After that, we compared the number of weapons found in each state on both lists. That is, we compared the number of guns recovered, say, in 2009 in Baja California, according to lists by Congress and by Univision News.

    For instance, if Congress had identified seven Fast and Furious weapons recovered in Baja California in 2009, and our list mentioned 24, then we concluded that our list included at least 17 new weapons. In the end, the state-by-state analysis showed that 57 of the firearms in the cross-reference were not included in Congress’ report.

    Univision News started looking for unreported Fast and Weapons after discovering a SEDENA document, which said that three guns from an ATF gun-tracing operation were
    used in the massacre in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez.

    http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/57-previously-undiscovered-fast-furious-guns-mexican-crimes/story?id=17361775

  • Terry Bateman

    Since Mr. Obama’s policies will be so damaging to the country, they could open up a
    quick pathway for a republican return to power in 2014 in the senate and 2016 in the
    white house. If republicans truly believe this, why not roll over and approve every Obama
    nomination to every office? Why not roll over and eliminate the debt ceiling? Why not roll
    over and pass all the funding bills to his liking? Republicans can tell the media and their
    constituents that since Obama won, they will not stand in his way to implement his
    vision for america as a matter of congressional courtesy. If their constituents don’t like
    the results, they can vote republican in 2014 and 2016.

    This could so confound Mr. Obama, he might actually start to think through the results
    of his policies and change them accordingly. Republicans have nothing more to lose
    than they are already losing.

    • jim

      impeach obama and biden

    • http://Personalliberty.com Ron

      Have heard this many times before- “Let’s go along to get along.” Cannot trash the meaning of it because it sounds so mushy and sweet. But members of congress are elected to serve the needs of the people. Oaths are sworn to uphold each individuals rights granted under the Constitution and given to all as inalienable rights. Nothing in the oath says anything about “not doing my job” because of a belief that such non-compliance with the job will perhaps lead to some perceived political gain down the road. No, this would be totally wrong to just let Obama appoint and do as he pleases. The republicans should stand firm and remind the CEO that they have sworn allegiance to the American people and not him. The Republican party may not see a path to victory in the future elections this way but it is better that they reach out to the voters by informing them of what their sworn duty is. Change can only come about by instituting measures and programs that teach the American people that the US is the land of opportunity and requires the individual’s contribution from all according to their talents and ability. Congress is the caretaker of that “opportunity for all” and not the maintenance mechanic of the free lunch wagon.

      • Ron r

        So all the other presidents can nominate appoint and make exc decisions ,/ except the black guy.hes just not smart enough so the republicans have to hold on until they get the right person in office. Nothing could be worse than Obama than maybe a female with the proper ID.

    • Joe

      This is the most ridiculous comment ever made. This Country will not survive another four years of Barry Soetoro anyway. However if no one stands up to him, it just makes it easier for him to finish demolishing this Country!!!

      • Ron r

        Yeah stand up to Obama like you stood up to Bush/Chenney. BTW what has this president done tha has hurt this country so much.two hundred plus years of men like Hoover ,cleavland,Nixon,Bush and Washington ,and the lone black guy will mess it all up. Ask the millionaires ,and billionaires if they have been hurting lately.

    • http://yahoo Charles

      the chicken crap RINO republicans in congress are nothing but punks for the dems and the litle pinko in the white house

    • Tom

      Where are the real republicans? They should be in his face,not just for the 2nd. amendment ,and his co government with the UN,but because of the stripping of personal liberties under Agenda 21. I see a bunch of rino’s not republicans

      • Ron r

        Ok Tom I assume you just can’t wait to list the liberties he has taken from us along with documentation on the UN co government So please proceed sir.

    • scott

      I fear, we conservatives have been sold out completly, however our elected officials are disguising the sell out as small battles that they do not intend to win. KInda of like selling the farm one acre at a time. I agree with letting Obama have his way in any and all topics that affect our country. Why continue to have a show of force in Congres if we do not intend to use it. Let’s just get it over with sooner by giving Obama his way. Then everyone will be forced to re-construct America.
      We print U S Curency like it’s monopoly money, and for the most part it is becoming as valuable.
      We allow an elected Official to make excutive decisions that have no common sense and restrict our God given Rights as Americans.
      The media for the most part is bought and paid for by the Administration, doing anything and everything they can to further the Obama cause/Liberal cause.
      Let it all go to hell in a handbag quicker, so we can pick up the pieces and start again.

      As Americans we have all been taught to stand up for our beliefs, speak out against topics we disagree with, and fight for the Right. Common sense dictates that when the deck is stacked against you, you have two choices, continue to fight the loosing game/battle, or retreat and live to fight another day. It is not in our nature to give up, cower down and cry uncle. Maybe if we do agree with everything Obama does, pass every bill he wants, submit willingly to his every whim we can defeat his agenda. The liberal desires will be handed to them on a silver platter and they will choke on their own appetite.

      Having siad all of the above, I know in my heart that as a average American, I simply do not have it in me to submit to such a strategy, and I can not condone such an act.

      • deerinwater

        scott says; ” I fear, we conservatives have been sold out completly, however our elected officials are disguising the sell out as small battles that they do not intend to win. KInda of like selling the farm one acre at a time. I agree with letting Obama have his way in any and all topics that affect our country. Why continue to have a show of force in Congres if we do not intend to use it. Let’s just get it over with sooner by giving Obama his way. Then everyone will be forced to re-construct America.”

        I say; Scott conservatives sold themselves out ~ when you did nothing to stop or even attempt to slow the run a way Administration of 43 ~ The Right Wing Christian Collation showed the rest of American their backside and opposition was countered with strong arm intimidation and dirty tricks ~ with the belief that any end justified the means. ~

        I say to you ~ this created a lack of confidence on the part of opposition and today it is now you who seeks some “justifiable end” ~ and there on end to be had ~ there will be no “end” ~ We don’t trust you or the leaders that you select and defend to run this nation anymore. You lost your creditably as a voter! ~ The benefit of doubt is no longer your to enjoy!

        Let’s make one thing very clear Scott ~~~~ Neither you or the party affiliation that you support has~~ gave Obama anything!!!!!!

        Obama took your candy ~ and all you can do about it is cry or lie about it. It seem that you have chosen to lie about it with false claims of giving Obama anything other then disrespect and opposition.

        I’m not telling you that Obama is all that wonderful ~ but compared to what the GOP has offered us ~ it’s been a “no brainier” so far, my decision was very easy to make. ~

        On one hand, you offer us Mc Cain and to have an Occupational force in Iraq for 20 years with a possible Majorette Home Coming Queen for a back up ~ or on the other hand, Willard ~ a man that’s success represents the attributed of a vulture that promises to have a cure what ills us ??????????

        Now just how complicated can such a Presidential decision be to make???

        Now if you think that you have been sold down river today ~ try to imagine how the rest of us felt ~ with 8 long years of W’s blundering ~ and Dick the Snake Chaney’ sneaking about on the world stage while lining their pockets for leaner times.

      • Bob666

        Very well put Deer!

      • Jana

        Actually, I wrote many mad letters to the White House to Bush, as well as sending letters to the editor, to my Representatives (for all the good that did) and sent letters out in my email. One of my letters got picked up by some web group that had discussions.Others were excited as it was supposed to be something great, but I had never heard of them before. I can’t remember which one it was now since it was about 6 years ago, but no, not all of us were silent.

    • W. T. Brian

      I didn’t send my congressman, nor my senators, to Washington to just roll over. They have a job to do, and if they won’t do it, we can very easily send someone else up there next time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/alane.rousseau Alan E Rousseau

      This might be a point if your only concern was getting more power for the GOP but the damage done to the US and the Constitution in the next 4 years is not worth the partisanship. ‎”The time is always right to do what is right.” – Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    • OLD MAN

      Wrong! Wrong approach! Obama is so narcissistically arrogant that he would surge ahead at a faster pace. We have already nearly reached the point of no return without a serious conflict within our own boarders. Giving him a FREE hand would certainly push everything “over the cliff”. What so many people do not realize is that Obama is an “ant-colonialist”. He is using the teachings of Sal Alinsky, Richard Cloward and Frances Pevin to as he says in his book, “Dreams from My Father”, trying to carry out what his father was unable to achieve. Obama did not run for and get the office to better this country. Obama in his own words ran for office “To Fundamentally Change The United States of America”. Obama’s underlying goal is to turn America into a Socialist country. He is doing it by overwhelming the financial system with entitlements (the FREEBIES) and at the same time attacking freedoms on many different fronts. Medical Care “Obamacare”. Gun control bills that are intended to ultimately lead to confiscation. And the list goes on. AMERICA MUST WAKE UP AND REALIZE WHAT OBAMA REALLY IS OUT TO DO!
      He must be held in check!

      • Ron r

        Tahr is by far the dumbest statement written so far.you guys almost make me wish q you were right so that we could deport you. God ,how does the reich Wong come up with this junk??? Do you guys e we get out among civil thinking people????

      • Jana

        Ron r,
        It is in his own book. Why don’t you buy his books 2 of them, and read them for yourself? Unless you are communistic in nature too, it will not make you feel warm and fuzzy all over.

    • Bill

      Except by going along with Obama, it signals that Republicans are no better than Democrats. If Republicans help Obama destroy the economy, they will have a difficult convincing voters they need to be reelected.

      • Terry Bateman

        . Bush 1′s budget agreement with
        congress raising taxes, cutting government spending, and matching increased
        government spending with corresponding tax increases or other government
        spending decreases combined with the welfare reform passed 3 times by
        republicans before clinton signed it paved the way for the balanced budget clinton
        passed on to Bush 2. Unfortunately, clinton also radically altered the CRA in January
        of 1996 to encourage banks to set aside sound mortgage lending standards and
        provide sub prime loans This ultimately caused the financial and economic crisis
        that smeared Bush 2 and congressional republicans and brought on Obama.
        Republicans overall since 1980 have done quite well, especialy the guys who
        made the contract with america. Remember clinton’s words: “Hey, I’m still relevant.”
        Remember Clinton’s priorities: “Cutting the deficit is not one of our priorities”.

    • GARY VAN RYSWYK

      THAT’S THE EASY WAY OUT BUT WAS NOT WHY WE SENT THEM TO CONGRESS. IF THEY DON’T STAND UP FOR CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES NOW WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THEY WOULD EVER STAND UP FOR THEM. THE HOUSE SHOULD NOT INCREASE THE DEBT LIMIT AND SHOULD SUBMIT INDIVIDUAL BILLS FUNDING ONLY CONSTITUTIONALLY AUTHORIZED EXPENDITURES STARTING WITH DEFENSE, SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. CLOSE DOWN THE REST OF GOVERNMENT.

      • Ron r

        And how do you shut down part or half of the government? Why would you shut down any part? and you guys call yourselves patriots.

      • Terry Bateman

        I am not aware of the constitution saying anything about social security and medicare.
        I thought defense, judicial system and administration, foreign affairs and diplomacy,
        ports, land,sea, and air transportation and safety were the constitutional responsibilities
        of the federal government.

    • robert

      Surely you jest, give him everything he wants with no contest. This is the road to quick and sure communism.

      • Ron r

        Silly me I thought we left communism when Bush/Chenney we t into hiding .

      • Jana

        Ron r,
        For once we do agree. Silly you. Like I always tell my kids, this is what you get for engaging your mouth before engaging your brain and furnishing it with knowledge of the truth.

      • Bob666

        Ron R,
        General Jana speaks-you shoul listen-All hail the General!

    • DON STUVER

      GREAT IDEA — THIS IS ONLY WAY GOP CAN SURVIVE 3 MORE ELECTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY (I WAS GOP 4 OVER 40YRS.)BUT HAVEN’T VOTED FORGOP PRES. SINCE POPPY BUSH’S OWNERS TOOK OVER OUR COUNTRY. WE NEED 2 PARTY GOV’T. & YOUR THOUGHTS & THE SUCCESS OF OBAMA POLICIES WILL BE A SETBACK FOR GOP, THEY MAY AGREE TO GET CORPORATE GOVERNACE OUT OF THEIR AGENDA & ALLOW A TWO PARTY SYSTEM OPERATE AS A DEMOCRACY AGAIN.

    • http://Yahoo.com Charles Plantz

      Open up the debt limit upon the receipt of a senate budget. Impose the Clinton tax rates plus a variable surtax to apply to the amount exceeding the present debt limit. Cancel all funding for the President’s Czars.

    • Phillip Hendrix

      the republican party has already done this when they ran Romney against obama college is a great thing but without common sense it is completely useless

      • Ron r

        The republican party is so splintered between the truly conservative and the one percent reich wingers like most on the site ,my bad ultra conservatives ( wink wink ) not even the majority of republicans will claim the party in elections

    • http://yahoo.com shade

      Well what did you expect from the King of America!

    • Lee

      Possibly, the sooner this nightmare may be remedied. The Republicans must not go along with Obama’s decision making, however. They must stress his unwillingness to mitigate with them. He won with PERHAPS barely over half of the nation. Therefore, the Republicans escape is his lack of flexibility. State factually to the american people that they cannot pass anything with both Senate AND his refusal to care about ALL Americans. Work by speaking out constantly unintimidated about every liberal choice they make and let Demograts take the credit for our country’s downhill decline. Republicans have already bent across the isle. When the rest of America awakens, they will run back, begging for Reagans, B. Grahams, and M L Kings. Prayerfully, before devastating harm comes to our land or Israel’s soil. Republicans will be free of guilt or blame.

      • Ron r

        It matters not if Obama won by 51% or 1%he won and has no reason to compromise with republicans and every reason to tell them all to go to hell.he never held a secret meeting to say he would not work with them. It was the republicans who decided in their meeting that they would do what they could to make him a one term president.

        Now that the reich wing nuts (the 1%) control the party he should appoint and pass everything he can legally by executive privilege. A win is a win.by one point or one hundred points.its a win!!!! Dam the republicans,full speed ahead.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Ronomundo Ron Bartels

      Never, never, never give up. Winston Churchill WWII You might be speaking German if he had rolled over. Replace the established RIONs in the GOP or start a new third party. There are many. Try the America’s Party or the Conservative Party USA.

    • Pete Deiler

      Single reason. Though His use of EXECUTIVE ORDERS Obama Has ALREADY created an order for martial law that will cause the elected representation (Senate and house of Representatives) to be dissolved. It only needs to be put into action. Google the Words EXECUTIVE ORDERS and read it for your self. It already done! Obama use of EXECUTIVE ORDERS are equivalent to LAW. Be ready to be SCARED. The USA has become a dictatorship.
      You are foolish No I take that back YOU ARE STUPID to think other wise. Foolish is not knowing. STUPID is knowing but not caring.

      Chairman Mao from the Communist party says “Freedom ends when guns are surrendered” Can you see what OBAMA is doing?

    • H Stan Boring PHC USN Ret

      One cannot simply lie down and surrender when attacked by a snake. One must fight to protect oneself and our Constitutional Freedoms. Chief Boring

      • Deerinwater

        Terry Bateman says, “Since Mr. Obama’s policies will be so damaging to the country, they could open up a quick pathway for a republican return to power in 2014 ”

        I say, Wonderful! You hold tight to that thought Mr. Bateman and don’t ever let it go!

        It’s working!

    • BigBobba

      I can’t read all of the comments here, but one needs to remember that Republicans STILL hold a majority in the House and 45 Seats in the Senate. They can (and SHOULD) block almost all of this guy’s agenda if they STAND and FIGHT using Constitutional principles as their weapons. They should not “roll over on anything! We the People must hold their feet to the fire every chance we get. This means writing letters, asking questions, and INFORMING others of those Constitutional principles that the Founders pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their SACRED HONOR to earn for us against the premier fighting force in the World in 1776! Valley Forge was just ONE Winter that Washington’s ragtag Army had to endure – BUT ENDURE, WIN, AND GET US LIBERTY they did, with their blood, as did every Man and Woman who has donned the uniform of the United States. Can we afford to do any less? To quote some of the Founders: “We have given them a Republic IF THEY WILL HAVE IT!” – Ben Franklin – (emphasis mine.) We DO NOT live in a Democracy, nor would I want to! Living in a Republic takes work! We the People must inform ourselves as to Constitutional principles, support and Vote for those candidates who align themselves with those principles, and HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE GOD! Another Founder, Patrick Henry: “Why stand we here idle? What is it that (we) gentlemen wish? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains, or slavery? FORBID IT ALMIGHTY GOD! (emphasis mine.) And remember this: “I call on you in the name of Liberty, of Patriotism, and everything dear to the American Character, to come to our aid with all dispatch. I shall never surrender nor retreat.” – Col. William B. Travis, Commander of forces at the Alamo.
      Where do we stand?.

      • Ron r

        Republicans hold the house because of Gerrymandering,and now want to steal the presidency by gerrymandering the electorial vote.and you want to talk about the constitution? Republicans do not have a clue.the people will rise as they did this past November. And oust the reich wing befor they completely lock the wheels of democracy.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    One historical fact that has eluded most Americans, thanks to the illiberal education they receive in school and from the infotainment media, is that fascism has always been popular among so-called “progressives” – despite their tendency to mislabel and mischaracterize their political opponents as followers of the national socialist ideology.

    Benito Mussolini was nearly worshipped by the left in his time. It was only Adolf Hitler who gave fascism a bad name with progressives – and then not until he broke the Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact with Josef Stalin and their adored Soviet Union.

    That’s why I fear fascism today much more than I fear communism.

    Communism is a withered old discredited religion with few observers left besides balding political science professors at American colleges and universities.

    It’s fascism we need to guard against, to be vigilant about opposing, to recognize and fight at every turn if we want to preserve any vestige of freedom in our republic and around the world.

    What is fascism?

    It is a thoroughly socialist ideology that feeds on class warfare and sustains itself on authoritarianism or even totalitarianism, central economic planning, subsidies of favored “private” businesses and something we’re seeing more and more of in the United States today – so-called “public-private partnerships.”

    One thing very important to understand – fascism is not a right-wing ideology; it is a left-wing ideology. It always has been and always will be. It is about statism, not individualism.

    Throughout history, it has often been characterized as a “third way” between capitalism and communism. Now who have you heard use that term in contemporary company? It is a popular euphemism for fascism employed today by the likes of Bill and Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama.

    The big bailout of the mortgage industry is an excellent illustration of a fascist economic concept. It’s about utilitarianism, not principal – pragmatism, not morality.

    Another characteristic of fascism is intimidation, coercion, bullying tactics and a self-righteousness that leads its followers to believe the rules simply don’t apply to them. The end justifies the means. People working on behalf of the cause are to be excused from accountability for any excesses. In fact, they would find it hard to believe they could ever commit excesses.

    We got a whiff of this kind of fascism in Missouri last week when Obama partisans in various law-enforcement capacities pledged publicly to use their official police powers to go after anyone they believed to be unfairly portraying their candidate in political advertising.

    In other words, they decided to throw the First Amendment out the window.

    St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, along with Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign, Sen. Claire McCaskill, pledged to form a so-called “truth squad” to stop any political advertising that claimed the Democratic presidential candidate was anything other than a devout Christian or that he planned to cut taxes for all Americans earning less than $250,000 a year.

    The campaign was not limited to Missouri, either. The Gestapo tactics included sending “threatening” letters to several news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio demanding they stop airing ads exposing Obama’s gun stance, according to the National Rifle Association.

    As Missouri Gov. Matt Blunt put it bluntly: “The only conceivable purpose … is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate … to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.”

    This, my friends, is the way fascism works. This is the way it creeps into our lives. Acceptance of this kind of police-state tactic leaves us but an election or crisis away from descent into the netherworld of political barbarism. The brown shirts are at the door, once again.

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    • http://midcontent ridge runner

      Don’t expect the liberial pups that post on this site, to understand what you put out here on past history. Of course all these liberial voting numskulls have an excuse, their biologiacal material donors, were union supporters and/or government employees., They were in favor or using of any government welfare program that was social justice slanted. Also no doubt their grandparents were FDR glazed eyes communist supporters, you know the same shulb who allowed the killing of Americans and the sinking of our ships. Also this idoit and his registered communist in staff, beleived in government control of land and food production, just like the muslim marxist in the WH.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      And this, my friends, is how the new “old JAY” operates. Copy something word-for-word from a wing-nut site like WND and throw it out there.

      I look at WND often to see what the latest right wing nut delusions are—most PLD-ers should also—it’s one of the “circular firing squad” sites”, and will reinforce the BELIEFS that so many hold, even though it’s short on facts and truth.

      Will JAY get the attention he seeks? (other than from me, of course—I am always ready to help the “old” JAY get the attention he deserves, just as I helped the “new” JAY get attention by often agreeing with him).

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And look! JAY has had a “bite”! Too bad RR isn’t one of the more literate or thoughtful people visiting the site, as we can see from his comment. But JAY wasn’t speaking to the “more literate or thoughtful people”, was he? He was pandering to the parrots—-I wonder how many more will come down out of the trees and ask for the stale and foul-tasting “crackers” JAY dispenses?.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT, why do you despise “freedom of speech”? You gobble-up all the vitriol and criticism against the Bush administration like a blood-thirsty Hyena, yet you are against any critical-investigation towards the obama-administration. Why is that? What are you afraid of? The truth? God forbid, that your messiah may a have a few wrinkles, RBT? This won’t do, RBT! You loose all your credibility when you insist on an “All-hands-of-policy” concerning your precious, Obama-administration. Which is by-far worse than the Bush-administration! Clearly, you prove yourself to be a bit short on “critical-thinking”, and full of naivety; and this, from a “School-administrator”? Remarkable, to say the least!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Nice propaganda technique, JAY. Starting with a statement that someone despises “freedom of speech” and piling it higher and deeper in an attempt to make that charge stick. (And why did you put it in quotes?—we could talk about that for a while).

        The simple answer to JAY’s piled-higher-and -deeper horsepucky is that JAY is trying to distract you from looking at HIS failings—-the ones I have pointed out. He does that by trying to get you to instead refocus on what he SAYS I do or believe, in spite of the fact that he made it all up. JAY is a manipulator and not a very honest person—-read everything he says with that in mind, particularly in this latest phase where he is “throwing gasoline on the fires” on many threads. If anyone “despises free speech”, it is JAY, as he demonstrates by telling nothing but lies.

        Of course, that may be his role this week. The folks at the “Trolls-n-Shills-r-Us” shill shop undoubtedly sit down for staff meetings and are given rotating assignments. My ongoing analysis of who says what and when is showing some interesting patterns. By the way, where is DaveH? My analysis of his posting patterns was almost ready for publication. Is the shill shop hiding him from me to thwart my work? Is he posting under a different name? It appears there was more than one person posting under “DaveH” anyway, and there may be two using WTS/JAY as well—-that would explain the differences between the many “news” and “olds” in the world of JAY.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        It’s rather obvious, RBT. You despise “freedom of speech”, and you squelch any investigation/criticism when it comes to the Obama-administration. You loose all credibility, and are basically a “dead-duck-in-the-water”! Since you have no more credibility, the best you can muster is a few pathetic, snarky-remmarks? Lord love a duck.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        It’s rather obvious, JAY, that you are the ‘snarky” one here. Speaking truth is not snarky just because it is YOU I’m talking about, but the lies you would have people believe about me definitely are.

        Keep repeating your lies and throwing horsepucky against the wall in the hope that some will stick—-many on PLD will put it in a sandwich, scoff it down, and ask for more. I “squelch” nothing—-that is your job, and the volume of your postings and their tone make it more obvious every day that you do it for a living. I’m keeping track of your patterns too, JAY, and I predict that the persona of WTS/JAY is soon going to have to go into hiding with DaveH once those patterns are revealed. What is that you folks do?—-come back with a new handle? Switch handles with other shills? What?

        Of course, the general level of awareness on PLD is often just above the level of a turtle (and you count on that), so the folks may not have noticed that you posted the same sick comment on four separate threads yesterday, and that it you did it within just a few minutes, and that the comment had no relation to the topic of the thread. You were just propagandizing and attempting.to CONTROL people. You are the one with no credibility, JAY, and you saying that I have none rates a “Lord love a GOOSE”.

      • oh oh

        At least some of us are aware of the fact that you failed to address the substantive points raised by Jay.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        oh oh says, “At least some of us are aware of the fact that you failed to address the substantive points raised by Jay”:

        I don’t know who the “some” are that you speak for, oh oh, but you obviously think JAY has made some “substantive” points somewhere in the flood of devious and misleading horsepucky he has unleashed on us. I didn’t think so, and that’s why I said what I said.

        Point out some “substantive points raised by JAY”, oh oh, and I will turn the powers of my feeble intellect loose on addressing them—-list them out—-give us only the “big” ones if you’re strapped for time.. I’m always ready to address the writings and question the motives of the folks like JAY who come on the site to play games rather than discuss truth.

    • Jeff

      “Another characteristic of fascism is intimidation, coercion, bullying tactics and a self-righteousness that leads its followers to believe the rules simply don’t apply to them. The end justifies the means. People working on behalf of the cause are to be excused from accountability for any excesses. In fact, they would find it hard to believe they could ever commit excesses.”

      Like shooting abortion doctors, threatening “2nd Amendment remedies” if they don’t get their way, and shouting down elected representatives at Town Hall Meetings? Carrying firearms in the vicinity of the President? Remember the mob in coats and ties that descended on the Florida office trying to count the votes in 2000? When it comes to bullying, there’s no bully like a right wing bully.

      Who are the left wing bullies? Intellectuals who say something a right winger said was stupid because it was? There are demonstrations on the left but bullying? Only if you feel “bullied” when someone points out the facts or when your candidate loses. Remember, it’s the Republicans who control the House because of gerrymandering. The Democrats received a million more votes than did the Republicans.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Simply put, fascism is Private ownership / government controlled. Communism is government ownership / government controlled. If you tell what the difference is I’d like to know.

      • Jeff

        The difference is lots of big money and corporate interests, both in Europe and the U.S., supported the Nazis. None supported Lenin.

      • Bob666

        Jeff,
        If I recall, Henry Ford was one of the great american supporters of Adolph.

      • Jeff

        Most likely. Henry Ford’s “Protocols” was one of Hitler’s principal influences. But other captains of industry also did business with the Nazis like IBM and Prescott Bush.

      • oh oh

        Apparently, Jeff, you missed the historical record of big-money support from New York and London, and volunteer support from the Upper East Side that, at one point, filled a large percentage of the key power positions within Lenin’s blood-thirsty regime. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • ToughGuy1

    Inauguration then, impeachment of the award for the worst spending President in American history. And gaffe Biden too!

  • ibcamn

    well now that Obama is showing his true colors,and personality.the American people are(and will)put it all together,unfortunetly too late.the red wave so to speak is moving across America,and guess what?now were in for an even bigger problem than Obama and his henchmen,now that they got four years to do whatever they want,they want another Marxist going into the white house!!today i heard them say they were not letting their hard work go to just anybody and their not just handing off all the progress they have made in 2016!that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up and my stomach just churn!it never dawned on me,this is only going to get worse all year,every year till 2016,then who’s next?we need to sniff out that person(s) and shut them down,every time a new one pops up then shut that one down!this is going to be a constant battle for the people of the United States of America.the puppeteers behind Obama got their work cut out for them!because were Americans,we don’t give up easy and never have!..a lot of people told me i was an idiot for wanting Newt in the white house,now they say it don’t sound so bad…i just wanted an American bulldog in the white house!..again,Trump where are you with all the paperwork on Obama?!……

    • Jeff

      Ain’t it awful the way he wants to make it harder for gun nuts to shoot up schools? I’ll bet you the Tea Partiers in Congress will impeach him for that.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        jeff: Ain’t it awful the way he wants to make it harder for gun nuts to shoot up schools?

        But yet, he shows no desire to keep assault-weapons out of the hands of the drug-cartles. If anything, Obama and Holder, through “fast-and-furious”, went out of their way to “arm” the drug-cartles! It would’t surprise me if the weapons used in the most recent “massacres” were provided courtesy of Obama and his administration; which means, they have blood on their hands, and they should all be charged with “multiple, premeditated-homocides”! In essence, jeff, you protect and support a homicidal-maniac! Sleep well!

      • Deerinwater

        Jay says; “But yet, he shows no desire to keep assault-weapons out of the hands of the drug-cartels. ”

        As understand it Jay ~ it was this very desire to restrict arms sales that predicated “Fast & Furious” . It seems as if you are attempting to not only use it’s failure but it’s very conception against Obama for signing off on the plan to track down arms dealers and identify their activities?

        You can have it one way or the other Jay but you can’t have it both ways.

        Most of us accept it as a failed attempt to infiltrate and interdict illegal arms sales used in Mexican drug trafficking. That it failed is a great disappointment and especially for the agents family members that lost love ones~ But that does not mean anything is concluded or over ~ it goes on ~ it’s safe to say, with any losses comes some gains.

        That said, ~at the cost of any full disclosure of these events would father place other agents and intelligence resources at only more risk ~ you are attempting to capitalize on with “your need to know” ~ overriding any notions of prudence or safety for others.

        It’s a fine and dandy position that you elect to take Jay~ no cost being too great for your “need to know”, and then you capitalize on a clear failure as it seen only in the court of public opinion. Yet neither you or I know the complete story ~ and probably won’t until all resources are safely out of harms way and no damage can be done with hard facts. ~

        Information can and does kill Jay ~ Everyday.

      • Jeff

        Do you think Obama or Holder had any knowledge of F&F before the fact? Do you think F&F would have come to fruition if ATF were permitted to have a Director? How about more agents than it had 40 years ago? The Republicans object to the existence of ATF so they son’t confirm anyone as Director. Obama should just appoint someone during one of Congress’ many recesses.

        And how many American guns do you think are reaching the Mexican drug cartels aside from F&F? More guns=more killing on either side of the border.

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57337289/legal-u.s-gun-sales-to-mexico-arming-cartels/

      • Right Brain Thinker

        JAY’s attempt to throw gasoline on the fire is so deluded that even the deluded and mindless will most likely recognize that fact. Therefore, no detailed reply is necessary, other than to point out that the “old” JAY is back—-perhaps people weren’t paying enough attention to the “new” JAY that DID occasionally make some sense? Kind of like farting in church to get noticed, though—–gets the wrong kind of attention.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Oh, i see, RBT. I’m ok in your books just as long as i don’t criticize the Obama-administration? Got ya! Btw, that doesn’t say much for you, does it? How can we take you seriously when you avoid legitimate-investigation into what is clearly, the worst and most dangerous administration then the previous? Of course, your snarky-remmarks are a way to hide your bias and your lack of journalistic-integrity! This is truly disappointing, RBT! I expected better from you!

      • Jeff

        Journalistic integrity? On a right wing blog where Obama is called every name your tiny mind can conjure? You must be a comedian.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        As opposed to a left-wing blog where Bush is called every name your tiny mind can conjure? You must be a hypocrite.

      • Jeff

        I wouldn’t know. But I do know Bush earned his nicknames. When he was called a chimp, it was because of his speaking and his decisions; not because of some racist stereotype. And what democrat have you morons not called a socialist? It’s your go-to play, like the old Packers running over left tackle. Have nothing to say? Call the Democrat a socialist! The Republicans are now so unpopular even that old reliable play won’t work.

      • Deerinwater

        LOL! Well ~ Jay ~ I didn’t call him ~”every name in the book” but I wanted too and know that some people did! He was my president and have respect for the office.

        So ~ you are saying that you see Obama bashing as justified, ~ okay ! Do you accepted any defense as justified ~ or is everyone just suppose to lay down and allow you to say anything that you want to say without opposition?

        How would you like to proceed?

        That’s rhetorical and you not need answer unless you wish too.

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Jeff isn’t worth a comment. Ignore ignorance. It might rub off.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        deer: That said, ~at the cost of any full disclosure of these events would father place other agents and intelligence resources at only more risk ~ you are attempting to capitalize on with “your need to know” ~ overriding any notions of prudence or safety for others.

        Fast and Furious has been decommissioned, deer, so it’s safe now to bring out all the facts. Don’t hold your breath. Besides, most are clueless as to why “fast and furious” was initiated. The nonsense that it was for the purpose to track guns, is just that, nonsense! The real reason for “fast and furious”:

        The ATF claims it launched its now-disgraced Operation Fast and Furious in 2009 to catch the “big fish.” Fast and Furious was designed to stem the “Iron River” flowing from American gun stores into the cartels’ arsenals. The bureau says it allowed gun smuggling so it could track the firearms and arrest the cartel members downstream. Not true.
        During the course of Operation Fast and Furious, about 2,000 weapons moved from U.S. gun stores to Mexican drug cartels – exactly as intended.

        In congressional testimony, William Newell, former ATF special agent in charge of the Phoenix Field Division, testified that the Internal Revenue Service, Drug Enforcement Administration and Immigration and Customs Enforcement were “full partners” in Operation Fast and Furious. Mr. Newell’s list left out the most important player: the CIA. According to a CIA insider, the agency had a strong hand in creating, orchestrating and exploiting Operation Fast and Furious.

        The CIA’s motive is clear enough: The U.S. government is afraid the Los Zetas drug
        cartel will mount a successful coup d’etat against the government of Felipe Calderon.
        Founded by ex-Mexican special forces, the Zetas already control huge swaths of Mexican territory. They have the organization, arms and money needed to take over the entire country.

        Former CIA pilot Robert Plumlee and former CIA operative and DEA Director Phil Jordan recently said the brutally efficient Mexican drug cartel has stockpiled thousands of weapons to disrupt and influence Mexico’s national elections in 2012. There’s a very real chance the Zetas cartel could subvert the political process completely, as it has
        throughout the regions it controls.

        In an effort to prevent a Los Zetas takeover, Uncle Sam has gotten into bed with the rival Sinaloa cartel, which has close ties to the Mexican military. Recent court filings by former Sinaloa cartel member Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla, currently in U.S. custody, reveal that the United States allowed the Sinaloas to fly a 747 cargo plane packed with cocaine into American airspace – unmolested.

        Read the rest here, deer:

        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/11/was-cia-behind-operation-fast-and-furious/

        deer: It’s a fine and dandy position that you elect to take Jay~ no cost being too great for your “need to know”, and then you capitalize on a clear failure as it seen only in the court of public opinion. Yet neither you or I know the complete story ~ and probably won’t until all resources are safely out of harms way and no damage can be done with hard facts. ~

        I’m not sure if its a fine position for me to take, deer. The only reason i push for it is because the one’s responsible for probably the “biggest” proliferation” of assault weapons which resulted in untold massacres and misery, are the very same who are now on an all out assault on law-abiding, gun-owners! This is nothing short of hypocritical, and no one should be offering these criminals sanctuary, or make excuses for them, much-less, put them in charge of enforcing gun-control legislation! These people in the Obama-administration are clearly insane, incompetent, criminals, and the worst, lying-buch of bastards, ever! I thought the Bush-administration was bad, these guys make the Bush-administration look like a bunch of boy-scouts.

      • Deerinwater

        I understand Jay, ~ you are correct ~ it was botched ~ where it was in conception, planning or execution or the sum of all.

        But the term “decommission” ~ does not carry with it the meaning that you seem to think. ~ it’s not over ~ but still on going somewhere by someone. ~ Names and places and times in the wrong hands can still get more people killed.

        True, “Fast & Furious” has been decommissioned and defunded ~ but the operatives and fragments of the network are still in play Jay. ~ There is only one way to get out of the mob, Jay. The mob with kill 50 people to kill that one people that they know is guilty Jay.

        The Mexican mob is ruthless as they come.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Your last comment, jeff, made absolutely no-sense. You must have been rather upset when you wrote it. How about giving it another shot?

      • deerinwater

        Jay say ; “These people in the Obama-administration are clearly insane, incompetent, criminals, and the worst, lying-buch of bastards, ever! I thought the Bush-administration was bad, these guys make the Bush-administration look like a bunch of boy-scouts.”

        Oh ! I don’t know about that Jay ~ Chaney’s “Fair Game ” policy ~ leaking the name of critical CIA operatives to the press for pay-back for exposing the Administration false claim about IraQ’s nuclear intentions and capabilities was pretty low down , sorry and mean ~ That it compromised getting several Iraq’ie nuclear scientist out of Iraq and resulted in the death of them and family members ~ no big deal I suppose? The least to mention that it destroyed the careers of several CIA operatives in the process. That Today Chaney would have the gall to show his face should make everyone sick while Scooter Libby took the rap and is doing Chaney’s time.

        Lying does not begin to describe ~ 43′s administration behavior.

        That an Administration could start a war with false intel that resulted in the death of 7000 collation forces and countless civilian is a little on the “Naughty” side , if you ask me.

        clearly , you have your views Jay ~ but so do I.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Won’t say much in response to JAY because deer and Jeff have “flushed” him nicely. Of course, as I have pointed out before, it is easy to flush someone who climbs up on the rim of the toilet bowl and begs for it by making “flushable” comments.

        I will say that none of “us” called W names—-all “we” did was describe his behaviors, and we were right on target with those descriptions. It’s the JAYs of the world who have done the name-calling ,and as was pointed out, only do it because they have no facts, no logic, and no rationality to employ in an argument. So they would otherwise be unarmed if they didn’t name-call—-it’s what you see in any group of 8-year-olds who haven’t yet been taught how to THINK.

        deer says “clearly , you have your views Jay ~ but so do I”

        You are too polite when you call JAY’s rantings “views”, deer. And you do yourself a disservice if you put JAY on the same level as you—-he is decidedly NOT there. A “view” is an opinion, and a valid opinion needs to have some facts and rational thought behind it—-your “views” display that. Since JAY uses no facts, displays irrationality in his “views”, and actually appears to be malicious in his intent, we need a better word. Delusions, perhaps? Propaganda rantings? Insanity?

      • Deerinwater

        LOl! well RBT, ~ I’ve been here a few years now ~ and I’ve had the joy of getting to know and get passed the veneer that they offer as they pontificate their lofty positions and platitudes.

        They are nice guys ~ Jay is actually a very bright man and has the capacity to offer sound commentary on a wide range of topics and I’ve learned to respect his “ability” to draw from a deep well when the conditions are such that they play well to his “long suit”.

        I would have never thought it possible, ~ but I did manage to have a in-depth and meaningful conversation with Chuck a few times. ~ I was very surprised and pleased about that. ~ There not 10 cents worth of political difference between myself and Chuck ~ he’s just supporting a different banner and completely unfiltered with his comments.

        It was like a Nixon / Frost debate moment for me to have such a conversation and I was pleasantly pleased as they seem to be as well.

        Why , they come across as they do ~ who’s to say for sure ? ~ It’s almost like Pro Wrestling ~ presence ~ a show of strength ~ the casting of an illusion from the position of strength that they want others to believe as real.

        This is a disfranchised bunch RBT. ~ They are angry, they are fearful and they see themselves as losing ground, a losing position, status, money, freedoms and their guns.

        That the GOP has failed not only them but every American, ~they fail to see or willing accept ~ openly, ~but where else is there for them to go? Seeing themselves as victims of political opposition ~ is a small jump and easy enough to span , while their media outlets help support and defend these views. The Progressive did it ~ It’s started in 1918 and they’ve not let up since!

        As for myself, ~ I seek resolve and resolution and I attempt to stay on course while sometimes ~ I too get misdirected by the passion of the argument. i can be mean and nasty ~ very, very nasty ~ sometimes ~ but it’s not good or pretty when I do and serve no real purpose.

        There are some, like General Jana ~ that you cannot ever reach ~ they are here , just having to much fun and see this as little more than a big Food Fight ~ with victory won by the second for their team. ~ Here! wear some broccoli salad, ~ it’s looks on you ~ green become you!

        Or Director David H, ~ you will never find common ground with David, ~ even if you find yourself in agreement with him, ~ he will attempt to hump your leg and show you zero respect for all your efforts to reach out.

        Anyway, ~ I’m glad that you are here RBT and Jeff ~ I dropped in behind enemy lines and have been surrounded on all sides for many years ~ your reinforcement ~has been well received by me. ~ This show of force has changes my dynamic somewhat .

        ~ Mr. Livingston’s has been most gracious and tolerant to opposition, let us never forget that as we find ourselves in sharp disagreement and stay respectful of our host.

        I have other pressing matters to attend to and my attention wanes and suffers here today. ~ I need to back off and allow you to continue the good fight. I am attempting to back down and disengage ~ while it is so hard for me to do ~ as I miss the good fight and all my friends and my enemies.

        Let us not allow our opposition to label us as they try so very hard to do. ~ Let us not interfere with an enemy that is destroying it’s self but offer them support in their efforts. So far, ~ these two ideas has been a winning combination and given us excellent results. I would encourage anyone to stay this course and hold the line.

        ~ tell me ~ this is not great fun?

      • Bob666

        Yo Deer,
        like shooting ducks from a blind. There is a cold one waiting for you in the Florida Keys where the sun sets after a good day.

        Bob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I am hugely impressed with that speech, deer. In my mind, it is in the competition for being the “Gettysburg Address” or “Washington’s Farewell” of the PLD site. I too would be proud to buy you a beer should you ever visit VA. Semper Fi, Semper Veritas, and carry on—-there is much fun to be had here and I am glad you and others are here—-it doesn’t take a big crowd to cover each others backs here, and we have a big enough “band of brothers” to get it done.

        I hear what you say about JAY. We started out badly, but then found ourselves agreeing on many things and even supporting each other. This latest “version” of JAY worries me—-I AM serious when I question his motives and/or his mental health.

        And your line about “dropping behind enemy lines” reminds me of what Chesty Puller said at Chosin or somewhere in the south Pacific—I paraphrase a bit. “They’ve got us surrounded? Good! We know exactly where to find them and we can kill them sumbitches a lot easier now. Bring ‘em on.”

      • Bob666

        Thinking about your adventure at the movies:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=9Pkn117amFw

        Who would know that Bart would find the answer.

      • Deerinwater

        LOL! yea ~ well attitude can carry you far ~ but expect to be called out and show some accounting for yourself. I am glad that you are here ! you and the many others like Bob ~ and other’s I can’t recall at the moment. ~ I’ve found no shortage of opposition on Bob Livingston’s Forum but it to be a target rich environment that’s kept me busy for several years. I’ve learned a lot and homed some skills in the process ~ as we all should.

        I always wanted to see Virginia ~ I hear she is a beautiful state , her statesmen seem to sure love her ~ rich in history ~ I might just make it someday and thanks for your gracious words and warm invitation.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Obama went fron uncertainty in his first election to “I can’t loose” thinking in his second election. He has been inaugeratated for life in his mind. He’s building his army to conquer Amercia with people satisfied to live on the dole, the people who elected him. And to think, he’s financing his goals with the working people’s hard earned wealth. He’ll have victory day when he and his people celebrate the burning of America’s Constitution and free themselves to be whatever they want, and you can bet it is conceived in hell. The battle is on to destroy the people’s ability to defend themselves. It’s a must win for him but I believe he’d go down in flames rather than concede defeat. If we only had that dedication on our side.

    The one side, his, has a losely defined goal while the other side, ours, has at least four groups all fighting among themselves to see who will be the “victor”. We’re divided for him to conquer while he practices “In unity there is strength”. Yeah, the Libertarians, the Republicans, the Constitutiionalists, the Tea Partiers and who knows who else all want to be the “victors” instead of uniting against a common goal, a dedicated socialist communist hater of liberty and his ilk. The bible teaches all parts contribute to whole body. Each one of these groups can contribute to the whole but seperate they’re dead meat to the communist. Read some of these posts. There written by people that only post in four letter words. Are they going to save America for our children? Archie Bunker had a plaque on his desk that read “I am smarter than no man in that I can learn from all of them”. Think constructively. Destructively will only help destroying you. There’s a hungry Lion in our house. Do we act like sheep? circling and feeling safe as the wolves eat the ones on the outer edge. For America to function it needs all parts and one part is not less valuable than another. The Lord promised He’d come back but He didn’t say he was in a hurry. The way things are going though, read and believe John 3:16, and other bible passages The way we’re acting now you might wish you had in a hurry.

    • http://midcontent ridge runner

      It has always been a the mantra of the socialist Democrat Part. Every democrat in any type of office, and the only thing they promote is bigger government, and more wasting of taxpayers’ money To think positively, buy more guns and ammo. Also the whining idoits that voted for the muslim marxist and any democrat, everytime they start going bozo, point out what dems stand for, same goes for the pain at the fuel pump. Facts are pretty hard to destro with socialist/facist BS.y

    • Shirley Hall

      “There” should be “they are.” Your post is terribly incorrect.

    • Ron r

      Christian American , yours is about the second most idiotic ,simple,dumb.and just out right stupid statement I have come across today .if you are part of Christianity thank god for Islam, and a host of other religions.. I thought Jim jones was past tense.

  • Flashy

    Bottom line. President Obama won his re-election with a mandate and crushing the GOP. The people he is selecting are who he chooses t advise him. it’s not a ‘government run by the GOP’ with President Obama as a figurehead doing their bidding.

    This President could nominate Mother Teresa and the extremists would cry and yell and scream. The wacked out extremists have lied, fudged numbers, made stuff up, inflamed confrontation, refused to budge from extremist positions, and for the sake of ‘ideological purity’ shown a willingness to do this nation harm

    Historically, extremists from both Left and Right have had their moments. usually lasts about two years before the people snap back and say ‘are you truly nuts?” and place them outside any centers of impact and discussion, in effect ignoring them as they should be ignored.

    the extremists have had their time. And this president is moving to break their backs. He doesn’t have to worry about re-election, the voters overwhelmingly said “good job Mr. President” and re-up’d his contract.

    Now he’s playing the game by their rules…and we hear nothing but whining, sniping, yelling and screaming as they are now reaping what they sowed. And the more they are being pushed into the corner, the more they realize their time has come and gone and they are headed toward the back of the bus…the wilder the claims, the louder the screams…and they do nothing but increase the speed which the people are tossing them into the trash.

    • deerinwater

      For a stupid guy that can’t do anything, ~ Obama certainly seems to have them tied in knots today. ~ It’s Obama’s women ! The one’s in designer dresses ~ you know,~ dental floss undies, sheer stockings, pat leather 3 ” pumps , silk blouses with a little delicate two piece get-up that accents the curvy hips. ~ They affect oppositions thinking process!

      Remember the movie “Mars Attacks” ?? That’s Obama secret!

      http://youtu.be/oC5O9NFWZCs

      • Shirley Hall

        Speaking of stupid! Look in the mirror!

      • Bob666

        Deer,
        you nailed it, LMAO!

    • John

      Actually, Flashy, the popular vote AGAINST Obama was pretty close to the vote FOR him. Popular vote was 129129671, while obama vote was 6589660. He won by 51.034%. So 48.966% voted for someone else…i.e., against him. Your interpretation of “crushing” is pretty stupid. So is the notion that “the voters overwhelmingly said “good job Mr. President” and re-up’d his contract”. But, don’t let FACTS interupt your pathetic little “victory dance.” This “extremist” response, typified by Cuomo’s ramming through anti-gun owner legislation (background check for ammo sales, thumbhole stocks make rifles “assault weapons” that have to be registered for a fee, detachable magazines make shotguns “assault weapons”) at midnight through the NY state senate is already turning non-nutjob Democrats OFF all over the country. Most of Obama’s Executive orders are fluff (uniform standards for gun locks, gun safety educaion programs…) and he is backing away as fast as possible from NY’s “assault rifle ban”. But keep up the rant, twit…

      • Flashy

        john…i love how the extremists, crazies, and American Taliban attempt to minimize the mandate given to this President. Few presidents have won re-election with more than 50% of the popular vote. Add to that the massive voter suppression drives and campaigns conducted by the GOP.

        let’s see..where the gerrymandering wasn’t able to be pulled off (i.e. the Senate), the Dems took 26 of 33. Even in House races, where the GOP pulled every tactic they could to create unassailable seats, the Dems took back 6.

        Now? The GOP was spanked in the elections. The voters called them out and gave them a whipping. Instead of moderating the extremism, halting the lies, the misstatements, the insults and name calling..they’ve increased it. to the point they have decided…for some strange reason..they should be able to call the shots on the President’s advisors.

        and the most amazing is the crazies reject any Common Sense approach to halting the access to guns by the bad guys…yet they will support a national database for the “mental unstable” .. in other words…they reject having a level of responsibility placed upon them for owning a dangerous weapon. insist that their “Right’ as they see it recognized by the 2nd supersedes any other Right of anyone else…insist they are needing to be armed to fight against the government (yeah…as if they really would or could)….but they support creation of a national database based not on acts, but on Thought.

        Now…who’s the twit?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I don’t know who the “twit” is but I asked VICKI if it wasn’t just common sense to support common sense gun regulation and she refuses to answer me and just keeps babbling some nonsense about 300 MILLION Americans and STOP IT.

      • Deerinwater

        I enjoy Vickie’s arguments , ~ she displays reasoning ability ~ that is so lacking with so many other right-wing posters here. ~

        She’s right you know ~ why must all be punished for the acts of a few? ~ It’s a simple question, while the answer is not.

        Her question has a childish simplicity that is hard to skirt or blow off.

        I would avoid such a question, while I would say ~ that the 2nd amendment does not guarantee gun owners access to state of the arts weapons. Just because it exist ~ does mean that the 2nd amendment clears the way for ownership. ~ It was never intended to be so. ~

        We can have all the pea shooters that we want ~ just like Jana was making claims a few days ago that the Obama administration was selling F 16′s to Egypt. ~

        I say, ~well? if they have got the money , why not? ~ they are going to buy planes somewhere ~ If Egypt can trick them out ~ to keep up with our top line F 16′s, more power to them. Not to mention ~ that it’s a two decade old fighting platform.

        The F16 is much like a Colt revolver ~ an accepted bench mark world standard. It’s became a minimum standard that is rapid quick, dependable, adaptable and affordable.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        “I don’t know who the “twit” is but I asked VICKI if it wasn’t just common sense to support common sense gun regulation and she refuses to answer me and just keeps babbling some nonsense about 300 MILLION Americans and STOP IT.”

        I answered you RBT. You just were not paying attention.
        http://personalliberty.com/2013/01/16/gun-control-some-states-lawmakers-resist/#comment-812078

        And I know you were not paying attention cause right after you responded with
        “It’s just common sense to be in favor of common sense, wouldn’t you agree?”

        Which, of course, is a truism having nothing to do with your point.

        Now for the amusement of all. (there is new material in it)

        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS (and LEGAL immigrants) DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE.

        WE have already demonstrated more common sense than ALL the gun-grabbers COMBINED.

        STOP PUNISHING US. STOP IT.
        STOP IT NOW

      • Bob666

        Vicki’s “friend” must be here.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater writes:
        “I enjoy Vickie’s arguments , ~ she displays reasoning ability ~ that is so lacking with so many other right-wing posters here. ~”

        Thanks.

        - Deerinwater: “She’s right you know ~ why must all be punished for the acts of a few? ~ It’s a simple question, while the answer is not.”

        Actually the answer is simple. Even children know it. They hate being punished for the acts of others and will quickly tell you that it is (wait for it….) UNFAIR.

        - Deerinwater: “Her question has a childish simplicity that is hard to skirt or blow off.”

        Yours was Interrogative (a question). My statement is clearly exclamatory.
        http://voices.yahoo.com/four-kinds-sentences-declarative-interrogative-484238.html?cat=4

        STOP PUNISHING US FOR THE ACTS OF A FEW.

        STOP IT
        STOP IT NOW

      • Vicki

        Btw it’s Childlike simplicity. Using “childish” is likely to be interpreted as an ad hominem.

      • Deerinwater

        It was not intend so ~ and I did invert your command into asking the question asking~ WHY! ~ It was more powerful presented that way.

        I can ignore a shouted command while ignoring a simple question I find difficult and much more powerful . So in the attempt to do you service ~ you see only disservice.

        That’s the part of you I don’t care for ~ while I still enjoy your argumentative nature.

        Loud commands ~ I grew up with from childhood.~ I am immune ~ If I can ignore the IRS and city hall, what chance might you have getting my attention with noisy threats?

        With logic and sense of purpose for fairness wrapped in human passion appeals to my nature.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: but I asked VICKI if it wasn’t just common sense to support common sense gun regulation…

        Common-sense gun-regulations have been in place and supported from the time you were in diapers, RBT. Where in the hell have you been all these years, up in a tree eating bananas? The problem is not common-sense, gun-regulation, you narcissistic-infedel, the problem is that the current-administration completely ignores the criminal-element and provides them with a “FREE-PASS”!!! Btw, your “Leper-messiah” has yet to even address the issue of the criminal-element and how criminals can easily by-pass the RIDICULOUS, gun-registration policy, and simply purchase their fire-arms from the black-market. Which makes you ridiculous, RBT. Of course, law-abiding gun-owners have/will abide by the rules, but will the criminals? The answer is NO, you twit! And that is precisely the issue the “Turnip” in office should be addressing, and not, harassing law-abiding citizens, you sh*t for brains!

      • eddie47d

        WTS: we are the number one gun seller in the world and the black market flourishes right here in America.

      • oh oh

        “Common sense” in this context is just code for incremental infringement, with the added disadvantage of not solving the current problem in any meaningful way. So we sacrifice a sacred fundamental right for a non-solution to make progressives feel good or help them in their never-ending agenda to limit our rights.

      • Shirley Hall

        The Electoral Vote is what counts!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki is back, asserting that “I answered you RBT. You just were not paying attention”. That is not quite true, Vicki—-you did NOT answer me in that reply and that’s why I made the comment below—copied in its entirety. Vicki then plays more word games and gets “cute”.rather than answer my question when she says,
        “Now for the amusement of all. (there is new material in it)
        ~300 MILLION AMERICANS (and LEGAL immigrants) DIDN’T SHOOT ANYONE”

        deerinwater apparently misses the clues when he congratulates Vicki—-he is speaking of only one of the two people (at least) who post under that handle—-the one I call the “smarter” Vicki—-she can on occasion put two thoughts together and produce a semblance of an argument. That is not the Vicki I see posting on this thread—-this one I call the “mindless” Vicki—-the one that spouts platitudes, plays at being “cute”, and evades real discussion. This one deserves no compliments.

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        January 17, 2013 at 9:23 am

        Vicki, you are once again failing to see the forest for the trees. Or are you doing that deliberately because you know that this little meander off the “path of truth and rationality” will be sucked up by the mindless readers here and distract them from the truth, and will also be rewarded by whoever it is that pays you to shill for them?

        Vicki says, “Overused? As compared to what? “We need to have common sense gun control”? Yes, Vicki, you have picked a good example of something that is said often, and for good reason. “Common sense gun control” is something that the vast majority of Americans want to see, and a majority of gun owners (even NRA members) want it as well. It’s just common sense to be in favor of common sense, wouldn’t you agree?.

        You would look a lot less like a shill for the NRA (or some other special interests that want to distract people by pushing “gun control wars”), if you did in fact stop plucking “300 million” off your shill checklist of “Things to Endlessly Repeat”, and tried instead for a little variety in your comments—-it would make you more “believable” to those of us who understand what real “arguments” and “debates” are. You know, “points and counterpoints”?

        You need to work on your ~sense of humor, too. And also your ~sense of irony and the concepts of ~sublety and ~mild sarcasm, as well as the meaning of “~metaphor” and “~figurative”. I say that because your little string of “he said, she said” ~comments shows some “fails” in ~understanding. Unless, of course, you are just doing the patented DaveH “smokescreen” thing to distract everyone, in which case I apologize—-you would then be merely earning your paycheck and I admire people who “work” for a living.

        In good propagandist fashion, Vicki closes with some SHOUTING. She has been doing some metaphorical chest beating, podium pounding, and strutting all along here, just as she does in so many of her comments. (Why am I reminded of the movies of some of Adolf’s speeches?)

        Vicki screams at us, “ALL of them have the RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS too. If they are guilty put them in jail. IF THEY ARE INNOCENT STOP PUNISHING THEM. STOP IT STOP IT NOW” To which I say “BRAVO”!

        In case you’re not following Vicki’s “logic”, folks, she has just advocated that “kids and old folks” (i.e. toddlers and oldsters in nursing homes) should be armed. Let’s start some new charities/advocacy groups to help Vicki achieve that goal—-“AR-15’s For Grannies” and “Derringers for Droolers”—-because everyone should have a gun handy in case a bad guy needs to be stopped, right?. An added benefit is that we will then have a new set of statistics to argue about—-Accidental Shootings of Mommies Changing Diapers and Accidental Shootings of Bed Pan Emptiers in Nursing Homes—-and the NRA (and Vicki) will have something new to shout “BUT—” about.

        Lord love a duck, Vicki!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WTS/JAY again proves to all that he is having some sort of “episode”, “attack”, or “reality break”. His rantings here indicate that he needs to seek the help of a mental health professional (or AA if it’s a substance abuse problem). To isolate just a few of the words he thinks demonstrate rationality and logical “argument”

        diapers
        up in a tree eating bananas?
        narcissistic-infidel (A WHAT?)
        completely ignores
        “Leper-messiah” (A WHAT?)
        ridiculous,
        you twit!
        the “Turnip” in office (TURNIP?)
        harassing

        And the insane comment that proves MY point, capitalized and repeated for emphasis.

        JAY calls me, “you sh*t for brains!”
        AS IN——–YOU S**T FOR BRAINS!
        Hard to believe that JAY is so far off the deep end, but he is looking for a retort or a reaction, I’m sure. So I will LOL and provide him with one—–With affection, GFYS, JAY. Happy?

        JAY also proves that he is having trouble being rational when he asserts that O’Bama “has yet to even address the issue of the criminal-element and how criminals can easily by-pass the RIDICULOUS, gun-registration policy, and simply purchase their fire-arms from the black-market”. I will remind JAY that there is a current thread that lists out O’Bama’s plan and the executive orders he is signing re: gun control—-it would appear that he HAS addressed the things that you claim he has not. And JAY has made some comments on that thread, so he can’t be unaware of its existence.

        Get some help, JAY—-I care about you and you are really embarrassing yourself here. Calm down, take a deep breath, and lose the anger. Put the “old” JAY back in the padded cell and bring out that “new” JAY that I have had some decent conversations with.

      • Bob666

        I see a group hug comming on , is that covered by Obama -Care?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki? Vicki? VICKI?

        Dang, Vicki is still hiding from me. Or is it just that “Trolls-n-Shills-r-Us“ has given her the weekend off? Too bad, because I wanted to compliment her on the link she gave us to that “Language for Dummies” site. I make jokes about lots of “Thinking for Dummies” sites but THIS one is for real!—-written by real dummies FOR real dummies, and it is high on the list for “laugh of the day” winners. To quote one small part of it:

        “The best way to distinguish one sentence from the other is to memorize what each type of sentence does. You should also take a piece of paper, and make four rows, and on the top of each row write the names of the different types of sentences; declarative, interrogative etc. and under those names (declarative, interrogative etc.) write 5-10 sentences each, that apply to the kind of sentence, for instance in one column you’ll write down declarative and underneath you would write down 5-10 sentences that make a statement. Try reading too, and see if you can spot the different types of sentences. It maybe easier to visibly see in writing which sentences are what; you can also use this sheet of paper to refer back to. It may be tricky to distinguish the sentences but with a little practice it will all get easier”.

        If I had observed some teacher saying these things during a “lesson”, our follow-up conference would have focused heavily on “upping the teacher’s game”. To wit:

        The best way to distinguish is to memorize? This is news? Don’t all bits of knowledge that help us “distinguish” start with “memorizing”?
        And do we know the difference between “rows” and “columns”?
        And we need to be told the names of the “rows” right after we’ve been told to write them?
        And the “row-column” error is corrected in the “write 5-10” sentence but we don’t go back and correct the earlier error? Great proofreading there.
        TRY reading, and SEE if you can spot?
        It MAY be easier to VISIBLY SEE? (as in “touchingly touch”?)
        And don’t forget to use the carefully crafted “cheat sheet” you made (if you ever got the columns-rows thing figured out).

        And the crowning glory of all this wisdom?
        “It may be TRICKY to distinguish the sentences but with a little PRACTICE it will all get easier”

        Lord love a duck, Vicki!—-the person who wrote all that needs a whole library of “For Dummies” books, and you need to look in one or two yourself to understand that your attempts at smugness, condescension, and “cuteness” can be that proverbial alligator in the swamp that bites you on the butt when you turn your back.

        So, I’m sorry Vicki isn’t around because I DO want to talk to her some more about HER four kinds of sentences—-obfuscative, deflectative, imperious, and evasionatory. Also, she really needs to help us with the discussion of “common sense gun regulation”. Maybe she will also come up with another mindless “300 Americans” thingie so we can all groan again?

  • Deerinwater

    I wish we’d worried about such things as spending when “W” was in office ~

    “I believe very deeply in the proposition that what we did in Iraq was the right thing to do. It was hard to do. It took a long time. There were significant costs involved. ”
    Dick Chaney

    “I think there’s no question but what the tail end of the Bush administration, Bush-Cheney administration, that we took steps specifically geared to try and free up the financial sector. ”
    Dick Cheney

    One of the reasons the deficit got as big as it did, frankly, was because of the economic slowdown, the fall-off in deficits, the terrorist attacks. A significant chunk was taken out of the economy by what happened after the attacks of 9/11.”
    Dick Cheney

    “You can’t fall back on the private sector and say, ‘You take care of the nation’s banking system.’ That’s a fundamental function of the government, the Federal Reserve, the Treasury and the FDIC, etc. All of those agencies have a major role to play there.”
    Dick Cheney

    “”One of the very difficult parts of the decision I made on the financial crisis was to use hardworking people’s money to help prevent there to be a crisis.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009

    ( WELL THAT DIDN’T WORK OUT TOO WELL)

    “”Let’s make sure that there is certainty during uncertain times in our economy.” — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 2, 2008

    “We got plenty of money in Washington. What we need is more priority.” –George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 2, 2008

    “It’s amazing I won. I was running against peace, prosperity, and incumbency.” -George W. Bush, June 14, 2001, speaking to Swedish Prime Minister Goran Perrson, unaware that a live television camera was still rolling.

    “For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It’s just unacceptable. And we’re going to do something about it.” -George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

    “There’s no question that the minute I got elected, the storm clouds on the horizon were getting nearly directly overhead.” -George W. Bush, May 11, 2001

    • ibcamn

      You do know “W” ain’t in the white house anymore,right?

      • Flashy

        Thank the gods for that. but we will suffer the effects of that disastrous regime of BushII/Cheney for at least another decade

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And ANTI-gun control people should feel bad that he’s gone. If you look at his record, he was actually harder on guns than O’Bama was during his first term. If memory serves, wasn’t W in favor of renewing the assault rifle ban when it expired in 2004?

      • Jeff

        But the stench lingers.

    • oh oh

      You do know that “W” was a progressive RINO, not a conservative, and that “O” has merely doubled down on “W’s” bankrupt policies, don’t you?

      • Deerinwater

        OH OH! ~ the only name for W was “President” who was supported by a close 50% of the American people and enjoyed 100% support of the GOP and the Right Wing Christian Collision .

        now I can understand you desire to distance yourself and throw him under the bus ~ but don’t send him the DNC way.

        He’s no progressive ~ there is nothing progressive about him, he’s all things GOP. You could not never trust him to mean what he said and say what he meant. Hell, he didn’t even understand what he said! The mouth opened and moved and words came out. ~ something like, “I’m the decider!” or “you are with us or are against us” or “there a woman giving birth every 10 seconds ~ We gotta find her and stop her”. anyway ~ W was an embarrassment that too many wanted to hide from or just thought he was okay. But he never was okay. He had a staff of people hiding how NOT okay he was.

        I don’t blame Bush ~ I blame all the foolish people that could not see through him and put him in office. ~ That means people like yourself. ~ and if not you ~ people like you oh oh. ~ They have not been remorseful but defiant ~ and until more people are willing to through W under the bus like yourself ~ they may consider me their worthy opposition from now till my dirt nap.

      • Bob666

        “Hell, he didn’t even understand what he said! The mouth opened and moved and words came out. ~ something like, “I’m the decider!” or “you are with us or are against us” or “there a woman giving birth every 10 seconds ~ We gotta find her and stop her”. anyway ~ W was an embarrassment that too many wanted to hide from or just thought he was okay. But he never was okay. He had a staff of people hiding how NOT okay he was.”

        Yo Deer,
        kind a like shooten ducks from a blind……………

      • Jeff

        You keep believing that. His V.P. was the most conservative member of Congress. W was the conservatives’ wet dream with the lone exception of his relatively progressive position on immigration. He cut taxes, fought pre-emptive wars, cut regulations, and destroyed the economy a la Hoover. What more could you morons want from the man?

      • Bob666

        Yo Yo-Oh-Oh (it just sounds cool),

        “O” has merely doubled down on “W’s” bankrupt policies.

        In a strange convoluted way, this is probably the most rational thing that you have posted.

  • Jonathan

    The Republicans deserve everything they’re getting after what they did to Ron Paul!!!!!!

    • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary

      Jonathon,

      I agree but not even the Democrats deserve what they are getting.

      • deerinwater

        Hmmm? I don’t know ~ having an adversary that is hell bent on destroying it’s self has some “up-sides” that’s sort of fun.

        The problem with lies ~ is they pile up and inevitably come back at you without anyone lifting a hand.

        “Lower taxes stimulate growth and creates jobs” is probably one of my favorites ~ was 10 years just not long enough?

        It sounds ~ so ~logical ~

    • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

      Jonathan ….. Ron Paul had an opportunity to save us from another 4 years but decided to leave the game and take his ball with him….We would have been alot better off moving Romney to the right than fighting a trench war with an organized front in the executive branch as well as the senate …. i happen to agree with alot of Ron Pauls platform but timing is key and he did us all a great disservice…. Getting RID of the BOZOs at the RNC would be a good idea…

      • Deerinwater

        Ted, ~ it wasn’t Ron Paul that did us the disservice ~ it was the GOP ~ again!

        Ron Paul still managed to plant some seeds ~ let us see how they grow.

  • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary

    I’m not sure about Obama being a Marxist as Karl Marx probably had a better understanding of how economics actually works than Obama. His political views were stronger than his economic and he was aware of the long term risks. Obama just doesn’t care as long as he gets his political agenda.

    The long and short of the whole situation is that the Democrats have no sense of morality and the Republicans have no guts

    • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

      Gary you need to reread the Manifesto…. Marx was a syphlitic dope fiend who was so embittered by his exclusion in the industrial revolution he penned the most destructive piece of literature the world has ever known,and BTW this administrations MOP is almost to the letter in the areas of philosophy as well as actions…. Sol Alinsky was an ardent follower of the plan and they both Jewish…

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Being Jewish had no effect on Marx, he would have been a good for nothing in any religion.

      • oh oh

        Marx and Alinsky aren’t the only ones. In fact, the historical trend is quite alarming. If you give history of their involvement an honest look, without PC glasses that require such knee-jerk responses, you might be uncomfortably surprised. The connection to the communist agenda is unmistakable and no coincidence.

    • Shirley Hall

      I think you have it backwards.

  • Ranchman

    I totally agree with F-F. It is now and has always been only the American people who can stop the Marxist attack from this administration. We have got to organize against him, slowing him down and stopping him when possible. As for “Mark” the communist supporter, he will never see the fraud and deception present in the govt. He chooses not to. People like him are the Tories of old, they will support the “King” against all odds and let him literally get away with murder. We will be fighting them in the streets along with Obama’s Brown shirts. We will win in the end because those we are fighting are not ready to sacrifice all they have like we are. We are committed to winning at all costs and must remain so. We cannot compromise, the fate of our Republic depends on it along with all our future generations and their freedom.

    Remember 1776 & Keep Your Powder Dry!

    • eddie47d

      Remember Ranchman the British were NOT ELECTED and Obama was duly elected. Instead of wringing your hands hoping to take up arms for another Revolution how about working harder next time an get an “honest” Republican elected or at least a Libertarian.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Lord love a duck! We are throwing Tories into the craziness along with the brown shirts and UN troops now? Pardon me while I wait for the dizziness to pass before I respond.—————————————————————————————————– ——————————————————————————————————————————–sorry, still dizzy——————think I’ll lie down and close my eyes until that bit of craziness fades from memory.

      • Flashy

        RBT…every time i read one of these blowhard false bravado posts like this one above, I envision the writer and those of his ilk quoting General Gates as he saw the British approach his lines at the battle of Camden. “You hold! I’ll run for help!”

  • Right Brain Thinker

    O’Bama the Bully? Lord love a duck, Chip.

    Just more paranoia, whining and crybaby crap from the sore losers. The Party of No has been bullying the country for the past four years. It’s about time O’Bama stood up to the real bullies and gave them some of their own “medicine”—-it appears to be the only way to move the country forward.

    It makes me laugh out loud to hear that McConnell has picked up his marbles and gone home. This is the man that said right after O’Bama’s FIRST election that his only goal was to destroy the O’Bama presidency (and he didn’t care what damage he did to the country). If he didn’t have a title and role as “minority leader”, He would have been (and should have been) banned from the White House years ago. And don’t forget that O’Bama has now been elected a SECOND time, folks. Somebody is trying to tell somebody something there. Come out of your dark little corners and try to help the country rather than support those who would hurt it.

    And the first two commenterss feed off the paranoia—–O’Bama is going to do away with the two-term limit and install himself as dictator? UN troops are going to take our guns? That’s beyond a “Lord love a duck”

    Enough “brown shirt” in there for you Warrior? You and FF are the brown shirts, the SA of the plutocrats and the corporate oligarchs who have enlisted you to be their thugs. Remember what happened to the SA once Hitler achieved power? He destroyed the SA, just as your new masters will do to you once they no longer need you. Keep drinking their koolaid but don’t sleep easy—-someone IS coming to get you (but it’s not O’Bama)

    • Warrior

      Let’s see now, mark, nc, rbt post about six minutes apart. Well, good to see it only takes one alarm clock to wake you three comrades up. Now that’s what I call “green”!

      • eddie47d

        “Mitch McConnell mild mannered” He’s like a chained pit bull always ready to bite! To say that Susan Rice got dumped because of Benghazi may be partially true but more because of her making that $2.4 million off of a foreign investment. aka: Keystone. That conflict of interest put her in the cross hairs of both Liberals and Conservatives. Now Warrior its nice to see you beat them out of the gate and that you can count to three before that first cup of coffee. .

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Now that’s mildly clever, Warpior—-good job! Of course, you MIGHT consider that there’s a thing called “getting up in the morning” and most of us do it? And we do all get up around the same time and look at PLD at about the same time? Do you paranoids see conspiracies in everything? Oh, wait!—-I see five squirrels together in the yard—they look like lib-prog squirrels, too—-have to get out the AR-15 and empty a “clip” into them before they take over the world.

        Going to the gym for a while and need to work on painting the kitchen after—almost done with that But don’t worry, Right Brain Terminator WILL be back with some thinking lessons for those who need them.

      • Flashy

        “Oh, wait!—-I see five squirrels together in the yard—they look like lib-prog squirrels, too—-have to get out the AR-15 and empty a “clip” into them before they take over the world.” <— RBT

        RBT…from the Bluehay Division, the scoop is the squirrels were comparing notes and making sure their lists were correct on who to send to the FEMA camps which no one can say where they are located. And because they no one can find them, that's proof they exist.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Don’t make the confused any more confused than they already are, Flash.

        Speaking of squirrels, I saw a really great bumper sticker on a car in the parking lot at the gym this morning.

        It said, NUTTIER THAN A SQUIRREL TURD in big black letters on a camo background.

        And guess what other stickers were on the car?—-wait for it—-A Romney/Ryan (whoever they are) and an NRA sticker!!!. (I wonder if the guy is a regular on PLD?—-I am surely going to strike up a conversation with him if I ever see him in person)

      • Flashy

        RBT…sometimes I will see a TP group of five or so protesting something. I have given in to the urge twice now and stopped to talk. The “death panels’ always comes up. Calmly say ‘no, read the language. here’s what is actually says…’ “He’s Kenyan !” And how do you know this? In essence, from before he was born…you’re stating as a fact .. that the doctor, the nurses, the hospital Administration, the newspaper, the state birth recording offices, the neighbors, the family…all had to be in on a coverup because they all know in 40 years hence the kid was going to be President. That’s what you are stating as fact…

        And it goes on and on with each subject. it was fun as they were louder, more insistent, less rational with each passing minute. But you can’t rationalize with some of these people. They truly are the best excuse for gun control there is. They are out wandering the streets and one step into the door of the lunatic asylum.

    • Shirley Hall

      Amen!

  • nc

    Notice to Woods and Charles Krautface: We Democrats never expected you to approve of Obama’s appointments. You have approved of nothing else he has done! You get PAID to disapprove which disqualifies you as an impartial observer! No bitching no check! Adult independents know this and are not impressed. Preach on to the choir! Feed the sheep! They know nothing else except the lies you tell them!

    • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary

      Must be lots of stuff the Democrats don’t approve of as well or there wouldn’t be as many executive orders.

      • Shirley Hall

        How many executive orders dis George W. Bush sign?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        George W Bush signed 291 in 8 years.

        O’Bama has signed 144 as of the end of 2012. The number of orders O’Bama has signed is among the lowest numbers of any of the presidents, certainly since 1900.

    • http://uncleteddysreeducationcamp.com teddy maher

      NC ….. Are you speaking for all democrats? Iam sure you are pleased with the progress being made with respect to the transforming of America …. My question to you is ,do you see the end game or is your focus just on yourself and your immediate wants and needs…There will come a day when this nation will be in throws of the fight for its very existence and the enemy will be very clearly defined…

      • nc

        Teddy, what you are seeing as the end game is what a lot of people have “seen” as the end game due to believing in the wrong people and feeling inferior because you are not the group getting to lead! What’s not to like about the accomplishments of my party! WE won our wars and kept the economy going and growing as well as any other group who has lead us and for reasons you will never be able to see we became the number one nation in the world. BLIND HATE WILL CAUSE A PERSON TO MISS A LOT OF WHAT IS REAL!
        TYPE IN “BULLS,BEARS, DONKEYS AND ELEPHANTS’. AND TELL ME WHAT OTHER PARTY HAS A BETTER RECORD WITH PROTECTING AND GROWING OUR FREE MARKET SOCIETY????????????????? SEE ANY FOREIGN TROOPS IN YOUR YARD? SEE ANY FEDERAL TROOPS IN YOUR YARD TO CONFISCATE ALL OF YOUR GUNS? DO YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS OR RELATIVES BEING HELD AS POLITICAL PRISONERS? ADULT INDEPENDENTS ARE WATCHING YOU ANSWER!!!!

      • Shirley Hall

        You are talking in circles.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      What’s the difference between a Blue Dog Democrat and a progressive Democrat? One is a vertebrate with a spine and a willingness to bite. The other is a jellyfish with no spine and no teeth.

  • Scarface

    Oprahbam= the worst of both races!!!!!!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Your face has been scarred one time too many . So do you think Chuck Hagel as a US Senator should act like an Israeli Senator? Should the Israeli vote have more power than an American vote? Instead of being cute how about being relevant on the issues!

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        I see eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie and trashy flashy dashy are back carrying the same nazi lie’s again today, real non human trolls, just a robotic mind full of propaganda for their nazi leader-in-chief. If they had a brain they would almost be dangerious but, someday their plug will be pulled and they will rot where they need to be, in a very hot climate for all eternity.

      • ChristyK

        I don’t believe that he should be anti-Israel and ignore the fact that Israel has repeatedly offered concessions, but the Palestinians have always refused all offers and returned terrorism for peace offers. I do agree with Hagel that we should reduce our footprint in the world, quit attacking countries that are not attacking us (especially without a constitutional Congressional declaration of war). We are broke and do not need to run up the deficit acting as policeman of the world. We also need to consider the blowback from our actions that frequently cause more danger for us. Why do we need to be in ~190 nations? Why do we need ~900 foreign bases? We don’t. Why do we risk our soldiers for things that bring our nation no benefit and frequently cause us harm? Look at what we are doing to other nations. How would we feel if another country, such as China or Russia, did this to us? Would it make us act like friends or enemies of the country that acted so? Why is it OK for Obama to commit drone attacks on people (sometimes they don’t even know if the target is truly a terrorist) killing 100s of civilians and many more injuries? Do any of you realize that we not only attack the target, but we also attack those that come and try to help the wounded and those that attend their funerals? Of course the same Obama that authorizes these strikes on women & children, can hold a press conference claiming he cares so much for children that he needs to take all of our guns away. Hypocrite. The Republicans aren’t much better, advocating for continuing and increasing wars that don’t make us safer, but do make us broke. Does either side realize that if we go broke (which will happen soon) that we won’t be able to arm or pay our military. Also, not all military spending is defense spending. Not all military spending makes us safer.

      • eddie47d

        Are you an Israeli spy agent Benjamin or just plain sick!

  • mark

    Yeah, Obama, the bully. Because like every other president in history, he dares to nominate the people he wants to serve on his cabinet? Please. He won the election hands down 332 electoral votes to 206. Imagine nominating a Defense Secretary who might consider U.S. interests first over foreign interests i.e. those of Israel, who doesn’t want to get us into yet another Middle Eastern war, this time in Iran. Hagel stood up to the neocons who gave us the Iraq War, who feel that Israel and not Washington should set U.S. policy in the Middle East, and who insist that we bomb and invade Iran. We can all see where following the neocon strategy has gotten us – and will get us. Mired down in endless violent conflict in that indecipherable, uncontrollable region. I thought Libertarians and true Conservatives were against unConstitutional foreign invasions and wars? So is Chuck Hagel. So let’s stone him too even though we agree with him – since Obama likes him.

    And neocon supreme, massive Israel advocate, Charles Krauthammer, is wrong. Israel offered the Palestinians a lousy deal that cut the West Bank up into a pro-settler jigsaw puzzle that would have constrained Palestinian travel, access to land and water, and true political sovereignty for centuries. They were right not to sign that deal. The Palestinians also have a perfect human right to resist the military occupation of their homeland just like any people on earth occupied by the military forces of a foreign power have that right. This is the same right that we as Americans exercised heroically from 1775 to 1783. I certainly condemn the terror tactics that many Palestinians employ but on the West Bank they have been militarily occupied for nearly 46 years. One thing we have learned about the Palestinians they will never kneel down and kiss the jackboot of the Israeili occupiers. They will fight and resist, they will blow themselves up and sacrifice their own children and young people but they will never wave the white flag of surrender and kneel before Israel as a defeated people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bushwacker2010 Bush Wacker

      Hey mark if he won the election hands down how come the democrats do not control the house. this is much more telling of the overall picture.

      • eddie47d

        You should have spent more time Wacking Bush so we wouldn’t have to put up with that silliness from the Republican Party. With America evenly divided on most issues neither party is going to control everything and that is the way the American people want it. We wish they could work together instead of attacking each other yet a balance of power is preferable to any one party.

      • http://printing-for-profit.com Gary

        I have a friend who still insists that Geo W only became President because he “cheated”. When I ask how Obama received more votes than eligible voters in Boston the subject immediately changes. Similarly when I ask the logic on how over a 100 precincts in Cleveland gave Obama more than 99 percent of the vote – no answer. Hugo Chavez didn’t get that percentage and he was the only one running in the last election.

      • Flashy

        BW…do you ever think ? the House has ‘safe seats’ where gerrymandering has protected the incumbents from anything but a challenge from more extreme right than the incumbent. Standard tactics which have been employed the past two years as the extremists fear a fair vote…so they’ve created districts which the will of the majority cannot be exercised.

        Y’know how they proclaim they are all about freedom, liberty, etc…and then restrict the votes so they cannot be defeated. I believe these are the same people who yelled and ranted and threatened when International observers were asking to sit around and watch.

        heck…Idi Amin won his elections every year. Same concept with the gerrymandering that the Extremists and American Taliban pushed through.

      • Flashy

        “I have a friend who still insists that Geo W only became President because he “cheated”. When I ask how Obama received more votes than eligible voters in Boston the subject immediately changes. Similarly when I ask the logic on how over a 100 precincts in Cleveland gave Obama more than 99 percent of the vote – no answer. Hugo Chavez didn’t get that percentage and he was the only one running in the last election.” <— Gary

        Well Gary, you could have asked me and I'd have given you the accurate facts.

        methinks your 'friend' realized he was faced with a ranting madman so he wisely kept silent and hoped the foamin' would go down…

      • Ron r

        To Bush Wacker and other neo cons. The reason dems did not win the house is because of a thing called jurymandering. The same thing they are trying now to do with the electorial college. If you can’t win it steal it.

      • Jeff

        Gerrymandering. Democratic House candidates received 1,000,000 more votes than Republicans. In Pennsylvania, as an example, Obama and the Democrat running for Senate carried the state by about 10 points. The House Democratic candidates received far more votes than the Republicans. Yet, the Republicans “won” 13 of 18 Congressional seats there. Boehner’s “majority” is illusory as he has no mandate to govern.

      • Larry K.

        he did everything he could to steal the votes. you people who are for obummer are sure going to be sorry and i will say…. good for you.

      • MLR

        Bush Wacker.
        Because of jerrymandering

      • deerinwater

        Elected Representative, reflect local politics more so than National politics. ~ for what ever that is worth to you ~ not much would be my guess.

        I can’t vote another states Representative but can support them or their opposition in others way ~ with my dollars, etc.

        And why the Governor of Florida in going down.

      • Bob666

        Yo Deer,
        I have lots of issues with our Gov here in Florida, but I am curious as the what people see of him from outside of Florida?

      • Jeff

        He defrauded the Government of mucho millions through his health care company. Now, he’s one of many ultra right wing governors who tried to rig the last election for Romney through voter suppression. I also can’t believe that whole “stand your ground” thing. What was wrong with traditional self defense. This law, or the way it’s interpreted, permits somebody to stalk someone with a gun, then, when he gets confronted, he can claim he feared for his life, and shoot. In some instances, the law doesn’t even allow for prosecution. It’s got holes you could drive a truck through.

      • Deerinwater

        Bob, ~ There is too many to list, ~ besides being a Phil Gramm weasel, white collar criminal that needs to be locked up ~ and everything I hate in a man, he’s failed miserably to be governor to all Florida peoples with fair representation. he’s got that Koach brothers brown spot on his nose and a worthless pieces of human trash and I don’t want to look at him.

        I’ll stop there but could continue ~ I , a Texan, will invest my money to see him off my radar screen and hopefully off your as well.

      • Bob666

        Yo Jeff and Deer,
        Thanks for your input. You basically see him the way many of us here in Florida see him. Forget the fact that he is one creepy guy, any CEO who does not look at his company with adequate checks and balances to see how it was making so much money is incompetent or dishonest. My guess is that Rick Scott is more on the dishonest side.

        I would not be surprised if he falls out of running for a second term as his popularity has never been very high and when Obama took Florida (which surprised many of us down here), I believe that Mr. Scott saw the writing on the wall. The two favorite decisions that he has made were cutting education in his first year and then deciding after test scores went south that maybe we needed to spend more money on education?

        Then there was his pact with other republican governors to make voting difficult (just what Florida needs) and now he says we need to lengthen the period of voting in elections after the whole state came after him.

        I will give him credit for making a crack to get state workers to pay more towards their pensions and health insurance as that is one of the biggest problems that all states are facing regarding their budgets.

        Always good to hear what folks from outside your state think about you.

    • Roger

      You of course mean,how Israel knelt before Germany, a defeated people? I feel for both Israel and Palestine but why Israel would do to someone else what was done to them in the 30′s and 40′s I don’t understand. Like a guy I used to work with used to say “Can’t we all just get along”?

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        Dreams of Arabs getting along with the Jews is a pipe dream of idoits. Go back and see who was the father of Arabs. He was a trouble causing jackass of a person. His mother was a trouble sow, and since humans are close to animals, like mother, offspring will carry the trouble making gentic material. The Palistinain people keep getting kick out of other countries, and these sand pounders will not get along with any one, they can not build a damn thing or even behave when given a decent place, loook at the pig Arafat , and millions he stole and lived worst than a hog, for dunging up his living quarters. The idea of understanding or showing symathy for people who will not ever get along with any non muslim show what worth fks they are. Our muslim marxist in Cheif, is a good buddy to these oddballs. He syop the National Day of Prayer, then brought in a caravan load of these pedophile worship rug scrubbers,go figure.

      • Jeff

        Ridge Rat:

        The israeli-Palestinian conflict is one that will be difficult to solve but should not be impossible. Dehumanizing the Palestinians is clearly not the way to go. Those who will benefit by cooperation and trade with Israel have to be encouraged and somehow empowered and the Israeli Government has to cease its building of settlements. It will take intelligence and courage and patience. Saying people are pigs descended from evil is the height of stupidity.

      • Motov

        Islam people fight all the time, if they aren’t after Israel they’ll fight amongst themselves.
        The Sunnis and Shiites will never get along with each other, just as they both will never get along with Israel. They know full well Israel will NOT mess around like the USA does.

      • Jeff

        One could say the same of Christians.

      • MLR

        Modern day Arabs can’t even get along with Arabs, why on Earth would they want to get along with Jews and Christians?

      • Deerinwater

        It’s not just modern day Arabs.

        ◄ Genesis 16:12 ► speaking of children of Ishmael

        New International Version (©1984)

        “He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

        Here is 200 mentions of Ishmael in the bible, many are very inflammatory

        http://www.openbible.info/topics/ishmael

        Which make me believe that male Jews wrote the bible and not a God at all. ~ but that is another issue. ~ In any case, the children of Ishmael have been getting “bad press” for centuries.

        I say ~! if the shoe fits ~?

      • Jana

        deerinwater,
        I went to that site. Very interesting site.
        Yes, there were 200 mentions of Ismael, did you notice that not all of the Ishmael’s mentioned was the son of Abraham and Hagar?

        Actually the KJV says that Ishmael will be a wild man, instead of a donkey of a man.

        I used to think like you do, that there were a lot of things in the Bible that were very unfair. I was challenged by a really good person who turned out to be a really good friend to study and prove how God was unfair. In order to do that I had to really study, to find out why God was doing what He was doing also. That was about 17 years ago. Since then I have been a serious student of the Bible. The Original King James Version is the best as it is protected by the Massarah and there are many tools that can be used along with this version.

      • Bob666

        Ok General Jana,
        so the old Testament, Torah & Talmud are invalid?????

      • Jana

        Bob666,
        Actually if you would look it up you would see that the Ishmael that is being talked about is in the Old Testament.

      • Bob666

        “In order to do that I had to really study, to find out why God was doing what He was doing also. That was about 17 years ago. Since then I have been a serious student of the Bible. The Original King James Version is the best as it is protected”

        Thank you, it makes far more sense to me now.

      • deerinwater

        It is the descendants of Ishmael that we address ~ the Jews half brother and his prodigy. ~ a wider focus is required ~ Arabs and how they have elected to interact with each other and the rest of humankind. ~

        I did not bring forward the subject ~ I only responded to a posting regarding Arab behavior and how Arabs kills Arabs more then they do anyone else with biblical scripture that accounts for this behavior.

        If it’s an indictment on Arabs , it not one that I make ~ but one made long ago by people that selected what to include in Holy Text.

    • S.C.Murf

      mark, you are evil itself. You know what you are and like it that way, you feel good about where you are at worshiping satan. When you stand before the white throne judgement I will stand as witness against you and you will be gone for eternity.

      up the hill
      airborne

      • Jeff

        Grampa Smurf:

        If you keep your “thoughts” to yourself, no one needs to know how profoundly stupid you are. You could fake sentience. On second thought, the more the American people hear from morons like you, the more they like Obama. Maybe he should send you a megaphone.

      • eddie47d

        Mark made some good points and Smurf is envious and mean!

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Hey comrade gringo Libtard Jeff! Thing getting slow at your Libtard hate site?? Take your Meds!

      • Jeff

        Libtard? Did you make that up? All by yourself? Come on, your Mom helped you with that one. Your nurse? I’ll bet you’ve got some kindergarten names for Obama, too. What a helluva guy!!

    • Ted Crawford

      There is only one response possible to anyone so utterly delusional Mark!
      ” It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use and authority of reason as to administer medicine to the dead” Thomas Jefferson! Welcome to the Proletariat Comrade

  • FreedomFighter

    Obama is a Marxist, a muslim, hell bent on changing America, he said so and is doing so, as much as possible. Obama will continue to do so, republicans seem helpless or comprimised, it will be up to the American people and the states to stop, slow or refuse to comply to the budding dictator in the white house.

    Every appointment made involves a corrupted individual, a communist, socialist, anti-constitutional activist, anti-isreal, or just plain old corrutpt puppet. Obama’s every move increases his powerbase and control, its well planned, well executed and without any internal resistance – the republicans have been neutralized to a great extent or been comprimised. Look at Obamas appointments to the bench, my god its a communist activist progressive whos who. The court system is about to take a nose dive into insanity.

    Obama will in the next four years attempt to remove the 2 term limit for himself to become dictator. He will give himself more control and continue to lessen the powers of the other branches of government. He already told congress the UN gives orders to our military not them — treason in your face congress.

    Obama will insure his next election, thru reform for illegal immagration, creating 30 million votors for himself. He will continue to reward business that supports him and continue to attack business that does not, he has the corrupt media in his pockent and will use it to demonize his political enemies like he is doing to the NRA.

    His enemies will be disarmed (literally), thats the American people, the middle class. The process has started with the 21 executive orders, his croni commi buddy Bloomberg and others creating unconstitutional laws that will eventually lead to a Supreme court showdown. Obama is moving forward thru executive order to MAKE SURE THRU REGISTRATION WHERE EVERY GUN IS, for confiscation later.

    Obama has 4 more years to plan a 2nd amendment showdown in the Supreme court, 2 judges are up for replacement, and we will lose the 2nd amendment or it will be reinterpeted to uselessness for Americans. After we lose the 2nd and are disarmed we will be helpless against a tyrant.

    The dollar is doomed, Martial law will be imposed, UN troops will arrive at your home,you will be disarmed, the 2nd amendment wont exist, your guns are registered, they will take them. unless we as Americans get off our collective backsides and stop this progressive communist/facist takeover nobody will.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Warrior

      Absolutely right. And trumpka fills the “Goering” role nicely I may add. Do not EVER give up your guns, EVER. We are now in the midst of revisiting the 1930′s and the rise of facists and marxist. Ok, let’s hear from the “brown shirt” loyalist now, we all know who you are.

      • Jeff

        Yes, hide under the bed so the black helicopters can’t find you.

      • exile

        proper description of this threat to democracy is marxist-jihad, an obvious discrace when the moslem-brotherhood has key positions in homeland-security-agency, key posts, as well as in the pentagon, and the intelligence community , to the point were they are making policy, case-n-point, the french did not inform the obama-caliph of their mali operation until it was in progress for fear of leaks to al’qaeda , since it appears those trained and supplied by u.s. advisers, all switched sides. this was not seen as coincidence,
        as the same happened in “arab spring” jihad against the secular regimes on the land of allah, when enemies of the u.s. have charges changed as “in workplace violence” for the fort hood assassin,hassan, and “road rage” for n.y.p.d. sgt. hamdi, involved in a routine traffic stop on the grand central parkway. in and by itself a red flagger when you consider the victim was a member of the national guard, and the whole matter has disappeared from any news coverage including the latin american press

      • Nadzieja Batki

        jeff, you are a typical O true believer and already fill the role of a thug and a bully very nicely. Who knows but you may get a pat on the head from Papa O.

      • Mary

        Watch out for those drones. If we are revising the 1930s, it is due to assault type weapons that too many nuts have in their poession. The 1930s were all about a bunch of thugs with machine guns, who thought they could do anything they wanted and disobey the laws. They lost and most were killed or went to jail.
        The Constitution was written to include the (guns) that were available in that era. You can better believe if the “framers” had a crystal ball to see what the future held in the manufacturing of certain guns ,they would have put different wording in the 2nd ammendment. So stand on your so called constitutional rights with your Muskets and hand guns made from that time period, YOU have no idea what they would have said about the rapid firing “assault ” weapons. Gun owners may WANT them but they are not necessary and taking them away because they are more dangerous to more people, does not violate your right to own guns. There are plenty of guns you can own that take care of your 2 nd amendment right. Stlop whining! We have a lot of restrictions in society because it is for the greater good and most have been passed because of a few who have caused the problems. That is the only way a government can operate to protect the most people.
        The President is not even talking about taking away your supper dupper killer gun, he is only making sure you register it and banning the sale of them in the future. If it had been properly registered in the first play, there is no need to worry. Guns are dangersous weapons and we should be able to trace them back to those who commit crimes with them.

      • ChristyK

        Wrong Mary, Our founders were very clear in their extra-constitutional writings that the purpose of the 2nd amendment was defense against thugs and defense against government tyranny. They believed that the people should have identical weapons to those the government had so that they could defend themselves if the government went the way of tyrranny. The lowly musket that people always talk about was used by the government & the people. If the Americans had to defend themselves with knives & bows, we would not have won our independence from England that had muskets and cannons. The same applies now. There is a reason that the 2nd amendment says “the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. It doesn’t say “right to bear muskets”; it doesn’t even say “right to bear guns”. It does say “right to bear arms”. They were careful to make the 2nd amendment open ended to account for new technology in arms.

      • Tommy

        Christy you will never win that argument even though you are correct, my point bieng why waste your breath. Those of us that believe in the constitution will agree and everybody else will put thier own spin on it so why bother.

      • Jeff

        So are you saying there is no limit to the weapons the 2nd Amendment permits you to own? Surface to air missiles to shoot down aircraft? Drones? A-bombs? I have heard Scalia say he thought the limitation might be those weapons that can be carried, but you apparently feel differently. Is there no rule of reasonableness that applies?

        You have to remember that in 1790, we did not have a standing army. All the power was held by the States except that ceded to the Federal Government. You don’t think the States had the ultimate control over “arms”?

        I think that when people hear that so-called 2nd Amendment advocates say that you want the guns to do battle with our duly-elected government, they are genuinely taken aback. You sound like an Arkansas back-country still operator fighting the revenooers. Assuming for the moment that our Government turned rogue or that we suffered a military coup, how much good is your AR-15 going to do against the Army’s weaponry? And which side would you be on? What if half the gun owners picked one side and half the other? Another Civil War?

      • Bob666

        ChristyK
        Here is what is actually says:

        “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

        You don’t get credit when you use only the half of the 2nd that supports your agenda.

        “They were careful to make the 2nd amendment open ended to account for new technology in arms.”

        I don’t agree with you, that is like saying that if our founding fathers were crafting that doccument today, they would include “death rays” and “vaporizers” in the 2nd. If written today, that doccument would deal with a whole new set of current issues and be worded differently for others.

      • WillyT

        Hey Jeff, I hear today that Nagin is being charged with corruption. Golly! I guess his dream of a chocolate city as he put it is over. Another blow against racism and to the most racist president in history, just when Obama thought he’d have a perfect replacement in some cabinet position like HUD too!

      • Jeff

        Brainless Willy:

        Normally, when one makes a charge like you did, he has something to back it up? What leads you to conclude that Obama is racist or as you put it, the most racist president ever? My guess is you are a pure Southern-fried bigot, but I could be mistaken.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mary, get your Constitution read properly. The civilian population should be able to buy the same weapons as the military or police if they could afford them or if they wanted them abd can afford to maintain them. Most of the time who wants them except collectors.
        Twit, you are more dangerous than any gun owner because you Lie.

      • eddie47d

        Poor Nadzieja still defending the mass killers on the street with an attack aginst Mary! Now if you want the same weapons as the military join the Marines.

      • oh oh

        Nothing Christi said was inconsistent with either clause of the 2nd Amendment. She gets full credit.

      • Jana

        Just got this in an email.
        Absolutely wonderful.

        MUST WATCH 14 minutes: Little Known History – Athens, Tenn – 1946

        This film may explain why Obama’s Department of Homeland Security put out a bulletin classifying “returning veterans,” “gun rights advocates,” and “people who carry copies of the Constitution.” as a “Domestic Terror Threat.”

        “An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject.”

        You may be completely unaware of this event that took place in Athens , TN in 1946. An armed revolt on American soil by WWII veterans took place during our lifetime. A very sobering video to say the least.
        Now the second amendment should be a little clearer to everyone.
        This movie lasts less than fourteen minutes and is well worth the time.

        http://voxvocispublicus.homestead.com/Battle-of-Athens.html

      • lukn003

        I’m No english professor, and only finished hi school, 4 yrs in the Military, and dropped outta college 20 or 30 days Before I finished My 8th semester,, BUT seems I recall that COMMAs were Used in place OF *And & Also* through Out history!!! TRY Reading the 2nd Amendment(and all the other amndmts, plus those other Documents) WITH the Commas Replaced With And or Also!!!

      • Deerinwater

        Warrior says; “We are now in the midst of revisiting the 1930′s and the rise of facists and marxist. Ok, let’s hear from the “brown shirt” loyalist now, we all know who you are.”

        I say, ~ You are correct! It is those of you like and Freedom Fighter that have hidden your brown shirts and hide you activities like Tea Party activists that make this bold claim. ~ Deffer guilt and responsibility your calling card. Blaming evil deeds on natives American rather then risk identification.

        But it’s not working very well this time around Warrior, ~ There are just too many eyes that you cannot avoid. ~ We know who is financing your “Really Big Show”.

        Americans will not succumb to intimidating from noise malcontents.

      • Samdromeda

        Remember that it was President Bush who wanted to restrict the sale of 50 caliber rifles because they could bring down airplanes.

    • John R. Howell

      Mr. Laus Deo, Thank you for everything that you said, and I thank God that you said it. God bless you, and God bless America. John R. Howell

    • TIME

      Dear FF,

      Saddly what you have posted is very much the case in point. We the American people have become the enemy of the “UNITED NATION STATES”

      We have been that enemy for a very long TIME now ~ but we now see the LONG RANGE plan’s last stage unfolding before our very eyes.

      The November “NON” election was the last vetage of what a once FREE nation thought was a real election.
      It was in fact nothing more ~ nor ~ nothing less than a “TOTAL FRAUD” Perpetrated on the American people by the “Mass Media and the New World Order’s talking faces” ~ also known as the “Political Class.”

      The American people were held under the spell of a Massive storm that was contrived just as the whole election fraud unfolded ~ again It was the last vestige of what was once a Free Nation.

      Welcome to the OVERT ~ ” COUP d`Etat” where what you thought was your nation has exposed its face for the TRUE value of its Pernicious as well outright MALICIOUS nature.

      Now any of you who think that FREEDOM is your Right are about to find out, you were only sleeping all the while EVIL had you under its spell ~ robbing you of what was not just the Constitution and Bill of Rights, they robbed you of your very way of life, and soon will follow up by “Elminating” you COMPLETELY.

      All the while the quasi Liberal class or NEO MARXIST class is still jumping up and down about GWB, yet the NEO NAZI CLASS is jumping up and down about the man who no one knows anything about. Barry OMEN.

      The History books will not be complete without the last monster of PURE EVIL written within its pages of BLOOD LUST as well Human sacrifice. As all history books even now are replete with such Monsters of whom so many knelt down to ~ even after knowning the EVIL they embellished each blood soaked page with.

      As I have stated now many TIMES, a “Disposable Society” over TIME becomes
      { disposable its self.}
      Thus WELCOME to that point in TIME. You are the new JEW to the EVIL State, So how’s it feel to be in that role?
      How will you feel when the gates of HELL open ~ ? If you don’t have a RFID chip you are evil to the state?
      If you don’t have the FLU shot, your evil to the state?
      If you don’t give up your guns you are evil to the state?
      If you believe that FREEDOM is a gift from GOD, Your evil to the state?
      If you believe in any form of GOD thats not Lucifer, Your evil to the state.

      Yet how many of you will still denie what is so visible that even the most blind of the blind can see it with a crystal clarity.

      Peace and Love, Shalom ;-)

      If you don’t have your Bus ticket for the higher vibration level yet, you had better act fast, BEG ~ the Holy Sprit of the Christ to Embrace your soul. Do it NOW. Shalom People

      • Andy

        Freedom Fighter & TIME, Very well said. Too bad that there are so many who do not see what is right before them. Make any excuse you can, but it all comes down to the fact that God has taken his protective hand off the U.S. as we have turned our backs on him. There IS a book that outlines exactly what is and will happen–it has been around a very long time. Try reading it sometime.

      • http://facebook.com margaret

        thank you for putting into print, what ‘most’ of us American citizens have been thinking right along, but were afraid to speak of – we’ve decoded their lies, and seen/witnessed this going on for a long, long time

      • oh oh

        One of the problems is that we have embraced the enemies of God, the ones he warned us about, and propped them up as “chosen,” blind to the fact that they are the very ones behind the beast called Mystery Babylon and all of its evil predecessors. Any resistance, without identifying the real culprits, will produced temporary results at best and, ultimately, failure.

      • Bob666

        Oh Oh,
        the home called, it’s medication time.

      • Jana

        Yes Bob666,
        It is definitely time for you to take yours!

      • KenPoland

        “The American people were held under the spell of a Massive storm that was contrived just as the whole election fraud unfolded ~ again It was the last vestige of what was once a Free Nation.”

        ‘CONTRIVED’ ???? What uter nonsense!!!

        Time, you had better start quivering and quaking! Your guns don’t stand a chance if the Administration you are so fearful of has such power as to influence nature to bring in a storm at just the precise time to foil the election.

      • Samdromeda

        I see that evil possesses both sides of the equation. Toys of an oppositionally defiant self imposed unseen adversary who loves to make things go BOOM. We are free to act just like him unified only by our mutual greed. Enough baiting with fears. God spoke well of this generation. “They store up violence in their homes.” Fear fuels the business cycle. If you can’t get people to spend their money threaten to take something from them. It helps the economy and fortifies the bottom line. You have all been had.

      • Joe Hammond

        One of the monsters who you left out was the Amerikan pioneers who used genocide and forced removal to take over the North American continent that we possess today. Even Hitler admired the way the Amerikan pioneers did the Native Americans in. And all of these people claimed to be “god-fearing”. Most of the problems occurred after precious commodities were found on Native American lands after treaties were signed. Then the “god-fearing” came a-killin’!!!! And why not? God killed more people than anyone else. The flood killed all but Noah’s family. Unfortunately, he didn’t leave many people left to mate with other than family members. Maybe that is why we are so screwed up…..not enough DNA variants available after the flood………

      • Bob666

        Yo Joe,
        very good point!

    • http://www.facebook.com/bushwacker2010 Bush Wacker

      I do not know if he is a Muslim or not but he is the worst president we have ever had he makes bush look like a statesman.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        If you don’t know what O is, what are you waiting for, you better hurry up and find out.

      • Jana

        Bush Wacker,

        In 1923, Hitler attempted to take control of the Bavarian government in Munich. The revolt was a failure and Hitler was convicted of treason and sentenced to five years’
        imprisonment. While in prison, his political manifesto, Mein Kampf, was ghostwritten by Rudolf Hess. Hitler knew that in order to obtain control of the masses, he had to embrace their religions in order to gain their trust.

        http://www.lsnewsgroup.com/to-conquer-a-nation

        This man Obama has learned what to say, but watch what he does, it doesn’t align up with the Word of God. He favors the Muslims and Islam in almost every instance.

      • Kate8

        Jana – Yes, and here is a firsthand account of Hitler’s takeover of Austria.

        This reads exactly the way our own history reads for the last century, play by play.

        http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2013/01/she-survived-hitler-and-wants-to-warn.html

      • Jeff

        K8:

        Must be a Hell of a video because here we are 112 years after 1900 and the Republic has not fallen. Hitler destroyed the Weimar Republic almost immediately upon becoming Chancellor. Any equation between the two is clearly faulty math.

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff says ; “Hitler destroyed the Weimar Republic almost immediately upon becoming Chancellor. ”

        Right ! and you use the term “becoming” somewhat loosely ~ as he as “appointed Chancellor” just to satisfy a noisy 27% that had voted for Hitler in his “failed” effort to gain elected office. ~ Hitler’s noisy support base was very similar in size and composition as today’s Tea Party and employed many of the same tactics ~ noisy threats and intimidation.

        What they didn’t have in numbers, they made up for in noise and threatening manner which make any 27% number significant in politics even today. ~

        We cannot allow a repeat of such an event.

      • Jana

        No Jeff,
        Its called people that are more informed. Not everyone has blinders on like you.

      • Jeff

        I don’t know what you’re talking about since you’ve responded to someone else’s post.

      • Bob666

        Jana (AKA General Turgidson),
        here share some of you witless wisdom, we need a laugh tonight and we were just discussing your vast exploits.

      • Motov

        “Informed?” With more lies than anyone in the history? You cannot spend your way out of a depression,…sooner or later the dollar is going to crash.

      • Motov

        oops my email made this conversation appear as something else,… disregard it

      • Jana

        Jeff,
        Then I will repeat it for you, since you can’t seem to remember what you write:

        Jeff says:

        January 18, 2013 at 11:07 pm

        K8:

        Must be a Hell of a video because here we are 112 years after 1900 and the Republic has not fallen. Hitler destroyed the Weimar Republic almost immediately upon becoming Chancellor. Any equation between the two is clearly faulty math.
        My answer to you is:

        No Jeff,
        Its called people that are more informed. Not everyone has blinders on like you

      • mary j herndon

        sounds like something a bushwacker would say

    • Roger

      Does anyone remember the open microphone mistake when talking to the Russian? He said something like,”Wait until my second term, I’ll have more flexibility”. Well look out people, here it comes and the majority of we loyal Americans are not going to like it.

      • Tommy

        Of course they remember Roger, at least those that had internet because i don’t believe it made it to the main stream media and yet they chose to ignore his remarks and blindly follow thier great leader. It’s just a matter of time now and they will all begin to feel and understand the error of thier ways, more likely sooner then later. Good luck to us all and may God be with you.

    • nc

      FREEDOM FIGHTER, It appears that it may be time for you and old Warrior to arm up and head for your holes in the desert with a case of beans! The end is nigh! The government under the direction of the Kenyan, Muslim Commie is acomin” fer your guns! Better hurry because the last rime the government confiscated all of our weapons they did it in a hurry! (?They already have those Fema camps to store them in! The only history on your side is that the sun comes up every day! Paranoia can be treated! Talk about scared GIRLY men!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        nc:The government under the direction of the Kenyan, Muslim Commie is acomin” fer your guns! Better hurry because the last rime the government confiscated all of our weapons they did it in a hurry!

        Yes, you are correct! Since jug-ears is incapable of creating jobs, he moves to gun-confiscation to off-set his abysmal, job-creation FAILURE!!! He’s useless, and what’s more, he represents the “Enemies” of our country! He is not a muslim, he’s worse than a muslim; he’s a “Progressive”! You can’t get much lower then that! So yes, arm yourselves, people, and get ready for another revolution!

      • Jeff

        You guys are really pathetic. Why don’t you stick to discussing women’s breasts or sports – something you have some under- oh, never mind.

      • FreedomFighter

        Jeff this documentry movie gives the facts

        Innocents Betrayed – Genocide By Gun Control – True History of Gun Confiscation

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgJg3L7VLxU

        and Obannana is appointing the kinda people that will do genocide – they believe in it, because the population is to large.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

    • mamamia

      Wow FF, it must be awful living in such paranoia. I never seen anything like it how some people are so scared of the black boogie man.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        But you are the one who is paranoid, that the Conservatives or Libertarians will take away the little utopian world that is promised by O.

      • MexicansaysLibtardsRPukes

        Comrade mamamia! Why you Libtards always pull the race card?? I don’t care if Obummer is black, white, brown, green, orange, mixed! trash is trash, He is a fraud!

      • TIME

        Oh Dear MamamiA,

        I am BLACK ~ oddly ~ I agree with FF 100%, JFTR, there are countless thousands of blacks who not only have jobs as well very educated who also feel just like FF.

        So whats your point again there, Sweet Lips?

      • Larry K.

        you better believe it mammamia. when your muslim president is through with us GOD believing people he’ll be comming after your a** too. your going to find out that your nothing to him except a devil worshiper. you poor lost soul.

      • Bob666

        it will be OK Larry.

      • Jeff

        Is the K for Krazy or Kreepy? Where do you guys come up with this idiotic stuff? It is absolutely insane. Obama is none of the things you claim. He is a successful politician of a party you disapprove. Nothing more, nothing less. He is not going to put you in the gulag; he is not going to make you convert to Islam; none of it. You are either deluded or a liar.

      • TIME

        Dear Bob Vav Vav Vav,

        REALLY?

        Do you really in fact think ~ Lucifers EVIL is good?

    • manuel rosa

      FreedomFighter do you have a plan, or is this just wishfulthinking?

      • FreedomFighter

        others have better plans than I ever will, get political NOW. Finds an organization that is fighting Obanana and join it — get active, get loud, get the word out.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Motov

        If we are lucky some sleepy eyed liberals just might wake up and smell the coffee and realize they have nothing but empty promises from a kenyan fraud who still won’t allow people into his real past, of what his training, beliefs, etc is really doing to this nation.

    • david

      All of congress is in on it. One of the reasons no one will do anything is because they all are afraid they will end up in the FEMA camps with the rest of us!

      • Jeff

        David:

        How IS the camp you’re in? Do you play softball, go to the target shooting range? What exactly is it you can’t do? Oh, that’s right, you can’t dictate who the President is. Life’s a bitch, ain’t it?

    • Ron r

      stop whining and get out the vote.next time instead of trying to steal it.BTW the majority of Americans voted for him . or the Marxist as you say.

    • Ron r

      Stop whining and get out the vote.the majority voted for the president or Marxist as you say.funny most would rather have a marxist than a republican in office.what a country.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you are happy that you have a Marxist Thief in office. That is what Marxists are thieves as in the money, time, health and life of other human beings. Marxists are liars and human predators.
        Ron r, you are or soon will be like your master O.

      • Bob666

        “So you are happy that you have a Marxist Thief in office”

        Nadzieja,
        What did he steal? is he writing bad checks or shoplifting?

      • Jeff

        He stole her hope. She was hoping Uncle Dick would become President and start water boarding Democrats in the Lincoln Bedroom!

      • Jeff

        Excuse me. Who nearly destroyed the capitalist system? If we always had a G.W.Hoover in office, there would be no need of a Lenin to destroy the system. If Obama is a Marxist bent on the destruction of the U.S. economic system, he sure is doing a lousy job. The stock market has at least doubled since he took office.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Semper Fi FreedomFighter, everything you said is right on. The replacements are just a little more demonic then those that we there. This nation will be destroyed by there own doing and letting this satanist get a way with all kinds of evil. God Bless Friend:

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Sorry anger gribbed me, should be were instead of we and their instead of there.

      • ron . r

        Ok Benjamin, satanist, muslim, what else can you think of to call Dick Cheney?? oh, my bad you were talking about Ronald Reagan the guy with the 666 name. You guys are a riot

    • Ron r

      Yeah, yeah, yeah, Obama is marxist, and not an american and muslim. so stop whining already and get out and vote next time. 51% of America voted for him. so if that means 51% of america is marxist , it’s time for you 47% ers to move out.

      • http://www.facebook.com/james.lewis.946 James Lewis

        Incorrect, 51% of Americans did not vote for Obama. 51% of those who voted voted for Obama a big difference. The true numbers are that only about 56% of those who was illegible voted, therefore the 51% you used is really less than 30% of Americans.

      • Ron r

        Yeah ,yeah,and there you go with those ghost stories about votes.give it a break.the truth is that while you and some others wasted time on this page honing king up excuses for a loss.others were out registering over one million new voters.

        Something you and others could have done. And before you post another lie about the voter surpression laws that were rolled back by the courts.know this,every new voter that came on the rolls could have voted regardless of which law was in place.si find another reason to hate. Just think,2016 is almost here and you and others are still on this page wasting time while making someone else rich.

      • RLr

        Obama won. You guys can try to steal the next election like you tried to steal the last one.

      • Jeff

        Well, they ARE considering running Tony Soprano as their candidate.

      • Bob666

        James,
        “true numbers are that only about 56% of those who was illegible voted, therefore the 51% you used is really less than 30% of Americans”

        is this a “new math” or a lack of math skills?

      • Jeff

        If everyone eligible to vote did so, Obama would have received more than 60% of the vote. Republicans tend to vote in a much higher per centage than do Democrats. It’s why Republicans do so much better in off-year elections.

    • Shirley Hall

      B.S.!

      Semper Fi

    • truesoy

      FreedomFighter..
      ….you really outdid yourself this time for you call President Obama a ‘marxist’ and a ‘muslim’. Now that is a first, to be an ‘atheist’ (marxist) and at the same time a muslim (believer in God). Go figure!.
      One thing I can promise you, though, is that you are a runner-up for the ‘nutso hall of fame’, and you have a very good chance to make it.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

      • Bob666

        Yo True,
        Freedom is a complicated guy.

    • Irish Love

      Many people will wonder why this president causes me to worry. I’m not an idealog, radical nor racist, but I have studied history and the direction this president is heading brings to mind the ways the following have come to dictatorship: Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Chiang Kai-Chek, Castro and Chavez.

      They first establish a ‘cult of personality’, they pick a portion of the populace to demonize and place all blame on, (rich, big business and conservatives), establishes strick gun control to disarm possible opposition, gains control of the majority of media outlets. The only thing this person is short of is absolute control of the military, but he has enough people in the military that would support him in exchange for suitable rewards.

      The largest worry I have is that he is stupid enough to think that he can invite outside sources to help him to establish himself and thinks his Elite education will keep him ahead of them.

      • Financially Insecure John

        Irish,
        “I have studied history and the direction this president is heading brings to mind the ways the following have come to dictatorship: Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Chiang Kai-Chek, Castro and Chavez”

        Your a mother? are your children in therapy?

        You are clearly delusional and paranoid.

      • Ron r

        Funny how the country has gone through over 40 presidents pf all parties none of which have caused this country to collapse .200 years of presidents and all of a sudden one lone black man becomes president and In eight years,eight years out of over 200 he somehow can mess up any worse than Bish 2. Oh,my bad,he is black.

      • Jana

        Irish Love,
        Many of us who are not Liberal/Socialists, have realized the same thing.

    • Sarah

      Freedom Fighter. You are so right. But, I would like to add that Obama received about 62 million votes. 11% less than 2008. His popularity is deminishing. Romney received about 3.3 million less than Obama. About 2 million did not vote for reasons unknown and then factor in voter fraud. Obama did not win by a mandate nor a landslide. He won by default. American families making $30,000 or less put him over the top 65% to 35%. Did you vote for him? These are the low information voters. The takers for free stuff. He is not the Messiah that the MSM wants you to think he is. When you consider that the NRA reported 80,000 new memberships a day since Newtown than you have a population that knows what Obama is all about and will not stand for him.

      I would like to know just when is someone going to do something about this Fascist/Muslim in the White House? When is someone going to arrest him for treason? His administration has supplied the Muslim Brotherhood with arms throughout the middle east. This administration is now sending fighter jets and tanks to Morsi. Why? Morsi has declared that he will annihilate Israel. Then are we next? But, you can bet that the moneygrabbers and top feeders will be ready for the new New World Order.

      • MLR

        Sarah, This country has been supplying both sides with arms for decades, we suplied both sides in ww1 until we got into it. both sides in ww2 until we got into it. it took an act of congress to stop business from supplying Germany after we got into it. 20% of our economy is supplying arms to other countries. Face it, we are the biggest suppliers of arms to the entire world. It all comes down to the allmighty dollar, we don’t care who we arm, as long as they can pay. The trouble with the Government is that BIG Business calls the shots.

    • Steve L.

      Thank God rational americans rejected the real crazies in this country and voted for President Obama for four more years. The Enemies of the United States would like to express their deep appreciation for the awesome job your doing attacking the Constitutionally and Democratically elected Govt. of the United States. The very constitution you claim to be so loyal to you throw out the window if your people don’t win the election and try to bring down that government. Bunch of frauds, American By Birth Only

    • figmo

      Anyone feeling the need to justify having a well armed citizenry should watch the documentary on the LA riots. Black criminals were pulling innocent unarmed white citizens from their vehicles and beating them to the point of death. The police were pulled out of the area leaving the innocents unprotected. Some high capacity semi-auto weapons in the hands of the innocents would have been nice. It might have changed the kill ratio a wee bit. We had similar riots in Libertty city here in south Florida where unsuspecting whites were pulled from their vehicles and murdered in most unpleasant ways. The news media always keeps it quiet and low key unless it it’s white perps attacking blacks. Then not only are the police sent in but the feds get heavily involved also. Anti-white racism? Naw it couldn’t be could it?

      • Ron r

        And I assume no one in the reich wing press (Fox) told you that there were some black citizens who at risk of life helped some of those whites who were attacked. BTW there are just as many assault weapons in Compton as could have been carried by whites coming through.but then again all some on the reich want is a good old western shot out.

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