And remind them (they seem to love statistics) that ~300 MILLION of us never misused a firearm. We are more than tired of being punished for the actions of a few criminals.

And just how do they infringe on your rights eddie?

Back to that easy access of weapons which endangers more people.

So, how many constitutional rights does King Barak want to declare null and void?

You will see.

No Joe, it is you who is the hypocrit and a racist hypocrit at that! You’re spouting craziness and nonsense all over this website only suggests that you are distrubed and in need of some serious help. Is what you’re spewing here the progressive way of “reaching out” for help?

I’ll help you if I can. GOOD LUCK!

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To eddie 47d

The organist was a man and the magazine vendors were unarmed and on the street in the
center of Manchester. No point to your remarks. My point was that there is NO (NO) legal way that a weaker person can defend themselves in Britain. Drunken louts beating grown fit men to death is not uncommon here. There is no legal EQUALIZER.

I am 73 and my wife is 65, and we both “carry” on our way to church, and I know many preachers who “carry”.

Who T F cares what your preacher does…………carry………….B F D ………..Get a life.

eddie47d says:
“If two magazine vendors came to my door with a weapon strapped to their bodies I wouldn’t open the door to them so what is your point.”

I don’t open my door to ANY vendors. Did you actually have a point?

- eddie47d: “Heck there are muggings and murders in the US also but the gun bans would have nothing to do with concealed carry or self defense in this country.”

Banning concealed carry IS a gun ban.

Banning the tools for the job DOES have A LOT to do with self defense in any country.

~300 MILLION Americans did NOT misuse guns today, this week, this month, last year, the year before…..

STOP TREATING US LIKE CHILDREN you want to PUNISH.

Who said anything about banning concealed carry weapons Vickie? Even if there is a gun ban on certain weapons I doubt very much if a CC would be a part of the equation. Is that another one of your bald assertions? Yes indeed you should STOP IT!

eddie47d demonstrates the liberal debate technique of inserting words into the comments of others by writing:
“Who said anything about banning concealed carry weapons Vickie?”

Good question Eddie. I didn’t say “concealed carry weapon(s)”. You did.

Prima facie evidence in your own post thus not proof by bald assertion.

~300 MILLION Americans did NOT shoot anyone this week. STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT

STOP IT
STOP IT NOW

Just like you said, All the politicians do it, wonder why.

I have no problem with ceasing all these executive orders for all presidents.
if we continue on this path then it really will not matter. We will all do what the dictator says. Even you.

even if you remove the gun from the equasion you will still have killings and murderers.
you know that stuff happened before the gun was invented.

I say we split the country or states into gun and non gun areas.

I am sure it would be very interesting to see all the anti gun owners crying about being victims.

a gun is not the problem. Its people. Society.

all this racism just adds to it. You can tell certain people now have different attitudes about everything.

life has no value to some people and if they want something you have they will take it. Kiling you doesn’t matter.

that means you too

Gee, when did the politicians ever ask the people, when has the people ever made the rules for politicians. The politicians make the rules to better themselves, And to heck with the public they are suppose to answer to.

” Since 98% of those who fail background checks are not prosecuted or fined so I would say we need tougher laws and quit namby pambying around.”

eddie that is about as stupid a comment as you have ever made here. If the feds and states cannot or will not prosecute the felons for attempting to purchase guns now it will do no good to pass new laws that will receive at best spotty enforcement. Besides which not all who fail to pass the background check are felons. You can fail the background check because you have an unpaid traffic ticket and certain other minor offences.

I sure wish i could get stats on who is using the guns for Killing, blackmen, blackwomen, whitemen, whitewomen, mexicanmen or mexican women. And others. Eddie maybe you can furnish these stats.

Edie, get a life if you can. Criminals will always have guns and no law will atop them.
Everyone knows the law says you cannot commit murder. have you watched the news lately? How the criminals obey the law so deligently?

Since 99.6% of the American people DID NOT shoot anyone (even accidentally) we are TIRED of being treated like criminals.

STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT.

It’s your loose laws and easy access to weapons that are arming the criminals Vickie so why don’t you STOP IT! NOW!

eddie47d says:
“It’s your loose laws and easy access to weapons that are arming the criminals Vickie so why don’t you STOP IT! NOW!”

Explain to these guys how they have loose laws and easy access to weapons that are arming the criminals.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/30/27-rifles-stolen-from-california-military-base/

Those who actively arm for violence are egging it on and hope it comes sooner than later.

UMMMM, Eddie, one of the guns found at a crime scene was registered to the head of ATF! It was a govt scheme to do what they are doing now, except, they got caught!

Eddie you are unfortunately suffering from the same affects of psychotropic drugs that batman shooter seemed to have been ingesting. The minute president Barack Obama claimed Executive Privilege he indicted himself in the eyes of the American People. It was the FFL dealers themselves that were fighting the sales of firearms to straw purchasers. They were coerced by force from the BATFE to let these weapons walk across our border into the waiting hands of cartel members. You should absolutely be ashamed of your self for defending this sorry piece of S%#t currently in our white house.

This operation Fast and Furious was THE pretext for gutting second amendment liberties. This President can no more claim executive privilege to cover his criminal activities than could Richard Nixon during Watergate. We as a nation are on a very dangerous path as the media which should be performing its duty of objective reporting, has decided to instead take up sides with this want to be dictator. Their time will come, as they made their bed and they will soon have to sleep in it.

If you wish to see this model of where we are headed as a nation, look no further than south of our border. Thousands upon thousands of people turn up “missing”, everyday in Mexico and before you or anyone else jump to some conclusion that it is merely all drug related and therefore we should not be concerned as this is happening thousands of miles away. Think again. This is the Model that OUR government is attempting to emulate and disarming the populace is but one part to this process. Do you think that these ( subjects ) in Mexico are living out their years imprisoned in some club fed? Please think before you spew more crap out of your mouth. You know dam well that they are all in some mass grave for god who knows what reason? Maybe they were merely attempting to exercise their first amendment rights in the face of unspeakable corruption occurring on their soil.

Look Eddie I have no idea who you are any of these other poster are on the other side of my key board, nor do I care. If you were CIA or NSA it really matters not to me. You have no idea what a false flag operation is nor do you believe that such operations exist, based on your statements. I do worry that all you are attempting to do is rile someone, anyone reading these posts to commit an act of violence to trigger a state of Marshal Law. That is exactly what this president is attempting to do through his Executive Order. Americans need not take the bait. You know dam well as I that registration of firearms or ammo/reloading equipment is a form of confiscation. People reading this know that mandatory registration is a form of confiscation, and that is why they are so concerned.

People are wasting their time attempting to provide you with analogies, as to why the presidents actions are such an incredibly bad idea. You have clearly already made up your mind, and this president can do no wrong regardless of how many children ( collateral damage ) are killed through US drone strikes. I am certain that during the Bush years you would have been the first person to condemn such actions, but now all is well in the Land because you cannot stop drinking the Kool Aide. This is not a D or an R issue. Both sides are complicit and culpable, and the fact that the Fed cannot stop the growth of the industrial military complex should be of concern to you and everyone reading this.

You are a hypocrite sir / mrs? whoever you are? Good Day.

The only stat you need to know is that ~300 MILLION Americans did NOT shoot anyone. And we are TIRED of being punished for it.

STOP IT.
STOP IT NOW.

Your extremely wacky Wellarmed! You made so many “bald assertions” in your spiel your leaking from all sides. Those Phoenix dealers were caught selling BEFORE the F & F operation began. I know the truth hurts you and YOUR cause of defending their actions is despicable. Apparently you are new here for I have condemned the F & F operation but I like the facts behind the facts in why things started in the first place. So many guns were being bought by those in Mexico even G Bush had a similar program to stop the flow. One of those dealers in Phoenix was X-Caliber. So your name calling is what you should be ashamed of! Yes you need to read all the posts on this site and violence is preached daily by those on the right so don’t be fooling yourself on that either! I have condemned Obama’s going into Syria several times so maybe you are the trolling “hypocrite”.

eddie if I am wrong post a link proving it.

If I remember correctly the Phoenix case involved the husband-wife co-owners of one gun store. Hardly a major problem considering the number of gun dealers in AZ. Also I believe they were only targeted for prosecution after they exposed an undercover BATF agent that was trying to get them to break the law.

I was referring to before the BTAF got involved.

Eddie,
You have lied about Reagan in the past to sell your progressive ideas. This post is just another one of your fairy tales

Where was that lie Bill? Are you saying Reagan didn’t support the 2nd and didn’t make that quote I mentioned? Being devious again Bill?

Well one thing we know for sure the stats you quote come from the govt supported media. aND NOT FROM REAL PEOPLE.

Polls are nonsense and hardly the basis on which to base something as important as gun control. Polls conducted by Liberals at the Washington Post/ABC are hardly credible, since their agenda in now in lock step with the hard Left and Progressives in this country. Both of these organizations have sold out and can no longer pretend to be unbiased journalists. To me, they are as worthy of respect as the Enquirer supermarket rag.

Polls can be wrong at times but during the last election most of the media polls turned out to be totally correct. The polls used by FOX News showing Mitt ahead in the swing states turned out to be nothing more than wishful thinking.

eddie47d says:
“Where was that lie Bill? Are you saying Reagan didn’t support the 2nd and didn’t make that quote I mentioned?”

Absent any links to validate your “proof by bald assertion” and being aware of your credibility I would presume that every thing you claim to be fact is a lie.

How can a fact (s) be a bald assertion Vickie! I told you before you about your “bald assertions” about others!

eddie47d says:
“How can a fact (s) be a bald assertion Vickie! I told you before you about your “bald assertions” about others!”

Facts are not bald assertions. Your assertions are.

~300 MILLION Americans have NEVER BLOWN UP ANYTHING. STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the acts of a few criminals

Robbiefine—

You say you were a HS teacher for 28 years ?? Where / if i may ask– I j
have been reading your posts and you sound more like a HS student than you do a teacher–

It looks to me like you have led a very sheltered life and you didn’t learn much from your students–sorry to sound critical , but thats how i see your posts that is the impression you have given —-

Parts for a weapon can be had in many places and some folks can make their own parts without bothering to go to a store to buy material –I am not one of them, but there are many that can –guns of all kinds can be outlawed or confiscated , but there will always be guns and weapons available in the US–

Americans , even some Liberals , have for too many generations been free to own and use a weapon, and that right according to the 2nd Amendment will guarantee that right–I do not think that there will be enough guts for politicians to amend the Constitution to make that right void–not enough states will vote yes on amending the Constitution to get rid of the 2nd Amendent–new york politicans be damned —no guts there—

I’m sorry if you happen to disagree with my various points. I’m not very handy but it seems to me to be rather a challenge to build an assault weapon from scratch. Probably a few folks working in a machine shop could do it but I bet the average mental case would not be able to do so. A lot of lives will saved once we get these murder machines out of the shops and off the streets. Maybe even your life.

Posted: “Don’t you know that an entire school building and everyone in it could be blow up with a bomb or two …”

Remember, it was the right wing that was bombing churches, the Olympic park, and clinics. It worries me when some around here seem to be insisting that bombs are OK.

Rob

I was wondering if sarcasm would be recognized at this site. Apparently not.

Yes Vickie STOP arming those criminals so easily and the slaughter of the INNOCENT!

eddie47d says:
“Yes Vickie STOP arming those criminals so easily and the slaughter of the INNOCENT!”

Are you accusing me of arming “those” criminals? Think VERY CAREFULLY before you reply.

You support the loose gun laws of this nation and the madding proliferation of weaponry so darn right!

Can you not recognize sarcasm?

Robbie, you think criminals are going to abide by new laws? Any laws?! That’s why they’re called criminals!! They break the law and will continue to do so. What criminal is all of a sudden gonna say, you know what, I better turn in my guns (which s/he prob obtained illegally in the first place) because Gov Cuomo or Pres Obama says so. Wake up stupid.

Don’t worry, I am awake. Here’s what you just don’t get: you pass a law that takes major assault weaponry totally off the shelves so that only the military ever gets them. Such weapons are fine in Afghanistan and Iraq but not so fine in the hands of a nut standing in a classroom full of six year olds. Criminals can disobey a law but it would be rare to find a criminal who could build his own assault semi automatic machine gun. And bullets for them are really hard to construct on your own. I just don’t think they have the skills needed for all of that. Hopefully I’ve cleared up your lack of understanding on this issue.

Why build one when it’s so easy to steal one? Military weapons go ‘missing’ all the time, then it’s just a matter of smuggling. And we know how effective the powers that be have been in stopping that, don’t we?
As far as manufacturing a semi-automatic rifle..given a few, easily obtainable tools, that’s not so very difficult either.
The ammunition isn’t special, particularly the bullet (that’s the little piece of lead that goes out the barrel). Handloaders have been manufacturing ammunition for a very long time.

So, to obtain the utopia you envision, we need to have such an intrusive government that we can’t obtain tools, smuggling is finally stopped, and all the existing tools for such are searched for and found and confiscated…welcome to 1984.

Well I would have to tip my hat to you if you are able to build a rifle from scratch. To me that would be impressive. Of course a ban will always be evaded by some but it sure would cut our losses. Even if it was just 90% effective that would be worth it. And, to further illustrate, just because there will always be those who break the speeding laws is no reason to not have speed limits.

M that is not necessarily true and criminals do get their guns legally and far more often than stealing them.

eddie just how ignorant can you be. If a person is a felon he cannot legally possess, own, or purchase a firearm. In fact it is against the law for the felon to even pick up a gun to look at it. For a felon to buy or attempt to buy a gun is illegal no matter if at a gun shop or from an individual.

robbiefine@hotmail.com says:
“The only ones left with guns will be the criminals? Really? Think about it.”

We did. You should too.

Well, you just didn’t get it. That shows me something. So let me point out that the police will still have guns. I thought that would be pretty easy to come up with but apparently not in this place!

http://www.demandaplan.org/

robbie says, “you pass a law that takes major assault weaponry totally off the shelves so that only the military ever gets them”

Yeah, that has worked really good for drugs, eh?

O.K., I get it. There will always be folks who want to break the law therefore let’s not even try. Let’s just repeal every single law and totally give up. A return to the jungle. There you go.

http://www.demandaplan.org/

Well, actually, it has worked to an extent. Perfect? For sure not. But just because it will never be perfect is your decision to simply not try, simply do nothing? The little childred deserve more of an effort than that.

robbiefine says:
“Well, you just didn’t get it. That shows me something. So let me point out that the police will still have guns. I thought that would be pretty easy to come up with but apparently not in this place!”

That’s only cause you are new to this debate. We crossed that bridge many many years ago.

robbiefine@hotmail.com says:
“O.K., I get it. There will always be folks who want to break the law therefore let’s not even try. Let’s just repeal every single law and totally give up.”

Such the quitter. (hmmmm. Might be ad hominem)

How about this. Let’s punish people for breaking a Constitutional law. That way we don’t have to get rid of every single law. Just the large number of unconstitutional ones. That will get us back to what the founders created.

A government who’s sole job was PROTECTING our individual rights INCLUDING the right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS.

Btw if you were actually to keep criminals IN JAIL you would not have to care about them running loose in society and buying guns on any market.

Then you can QUIT PUNISHING THE ~300 MILLION INNOCENT Americans.

You have forgotten the bit about being part of a well regulated militia.

Robbie says, “Well, actually, it has worked to an extent. Perfect? For sure not. But just because it will never be perfect is your decision to simply not try, simply do nothing? The little childred deserve more of an effort than that.”

No, it’s actually made things worse and more dangerous.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. They serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, fore and unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson

I’m all for doing something to try and curb tragedies like the one that happened to those children. We just disagree on how to do that effectively. As far as I can tell, not one proposal made – magazine capacity, registration, and not even the banning of assault rifles – would have stopped or prevented that tragedy. What good is it to do something that is ineffective? To make you feel better in the false belief that you made a difference? No, the answer is not gun control laws. The answer is in allowing those licensed to carry a firearm anywhere by eliminating gun free zones (that criminals such as these care nothing about, obviously. The only laws that would make sense would be state laws (or through district policy) that require extra-ordinary training and munitions requirements for any school staff member or teacher who wish to exercise their right on campus.

Columbine High School has an armed police officer on duty. Didn’t work out too well did it?

Robbie says, “You have forgotten the bit about being part of a well regulated militia.”

The idea that a being part of, or a need for, a well-regulated militia as a condition on the 2nd Amendment has been debunked throughout history by the courts many times. The 2nd Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms.

Try reading the Amendment – right at the outset it notes a “well regulated militia” as a precondition for the right to bear arms.

Posted: “That’s why they’re called criminals!! ”

Actually the VA, Theater, and School shooters didn’t have any criminal records. So, on that basis there was no reason to deny them firearms.

However all, and particularly the theater shooter, were under the care of a shrink. The bad guy even sent a package to her, and there was a debate about whether his “privacy” was protected.

Sheesh… Where is the common sense in the gun debate?

Rob

Wake up Dennis! Do you think a felon becomes a criminal without the means to commit his crime? They don’t wake up at age 20 and say this is the life I want. They are as legal and qualified as you to purchase a weapon. They don’t become criminals or felons until the crime is committed long after they acquired their guns and yes quite often legally!

robbiefine@hotmail.com says:
“Try reading the Amendment – right at the outset it notes a “well regulated militia” as a precondition for the right to bear arms.”

And you claim to be a teacher? I hope you were not teaching English.
The presence of a REASON for the people to individually have the right to keep and bear arms is not a condition of any type. Even SCOTUS noticed that in the Heller decision.

However here is a more detailed explanation.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

robbiefine says:
“You have forgotten the bit about being part of a well regulated militia.”

YOU may have but we have not. That is why we object to restrictions on militia weapons.
Btw (you will see this more than once) the 2nd affirms and protects the RIGHT of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms. Even SCOTUS noticed this in the Heller decision.

Robert Smith writes:
“Sheesh… Where is the common sense in the gun debate?”

There is none. People wanting to punish ~300 MILLION Americans for the crimes of a few clearly have nothing resembling common sense.

Oh alright already. Forget any regulations. Start handing out machine guns to anyone off the street and start blasting away! You get extra points for blowing away little children. Knock yourselves out.

“Wake up Dennis! Do you think a felon becomes a criminal without the means to commit his crime? They don’t wake up at age 20 and say this is the life I want. ”

More stupidity from eddie. First the discussion was about people who were already felons purchasing or otherwise getting guns. Second you do NOT have to use a gun in a crime to become a felon there are any number of crimes that make you a felon that do not involve the use of a gun.

robbiefine
“Oh alright already. Forget any regulations. Start handing out machine guns to anyone off the street and start blasting away! You get extra points for blowing away little children. Knock yourselves out.”

Prima Facie evidence that liberals (at least robbiefine) are not sane and should not be walking the street nor allowed access to firearms or knives or bats or……

OK. I’ve thought about it. You explain to me who else other than criminals and law enforcement will have guns. I’m curious to see what – in my thinking about it – I may have missed.

Yes, you got it: our police forces! But then you probably don’t trust the police right?

I trust the police to arrive when it is possible for them to arrive, not necessarily when they are needed.
I have friends that are police officers and have much respect for them. And each of them believes in personal firearms ownership, including ‘assault’ weapons.
I am going shooting with a friend of mine that is a Watch Commander tomorrow. We will be bringing our AR-15′s.
And we are Californians. Go figure.
Now, tell the people of England that while their homes are being invaded at a 40% higher rate than in the US, while their women are being raped at a STAGGERING 62% higher rate than ours, while their shop keepers are getting robbed at 20 TIMES the rate ours are, that they should just be good little citizens and wait for the police. I am sure they will agree with you. Oh, right, they HAVE to wait while being brutalized at 3.5 times the violent crime rate of the US….because they don’t have the option to defend themselves….

~300 MILLION Americans did NOT shoot anyone. STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT.

STOP IT NOW.

Eddie–

The only reason that crime was reduced is that the Govt got rid of Prohibition—that was the reason along with the Depression that caused the jump in crime in the first place—no matter what laws are written to control weapons , there will always be someone that will use a weapon in an unlawful way—it has always been that way and it will always be that way–simply because of men/women being human-someone will always envy someone else for what they have and want that too and will do whatever it takes to have it –even if it means killing for it –and the person that is being assaulted should have the means to defend himself/herself if and when that happens—

If you do not wnat that ability , that is your choice , but your choice should not interfere with anyone’s God Given right and 2nd Amendent right to defend themselves—

Yes Vickie STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT! NOW! The NRA is now a shell of what it once was and all they do is deal in death with the conscience of a snake!

eddie47d says:
“Yes Vickie STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT! NOW! The NRA is now a shell of what it once was and all they do is deal in death with the conscience of a snake!”

I really like how eddie47d is trying to use words and phrases he obviously doesn’t understand. Prima facie evidence in the quote above.

Why do I like it? Cause it lets us see more of the liberal mind and notice that they have no valid counter argument to the simple fact that they are punishing millions of people for the actions of a few criminals.

Forget it, Vicki.
A couple of weeks ago I cited statistics from the UN that showed that the gun ban in England created a country with less than a 1/3 of our population and three and a half times the crime. I also provided statistics from the UN on the rise in crime in Australia subsequent to their confiscation of private firearms.
Aside from that, it has been painfully obvious that if gun control worked so well, then Oakland and Chicago would be two of the safest cities in the country. And they are far from it.
Eddie, and others that think the way they do, are only interested in facts if they support their ideologies. When the facts contradict their beliefs, they are most often ignored and supplanted with emotion based arguments that hold no weight in the discussion.
I have read his posts quietly for weeks. He will never agree to logic, reason, and discussion based on factual data. Only ideology. So stop frustrating yourself by engaging him. It serves only to entertain him.

Still cozying up to the NRA Patriot and how slick and unrelentingly dangerous they have become. Just because you don’t like that fact doesn’t mean it isn’t there. I see you are also ignoring the fact that Louisiana and Mississippi are more dangerous than Illinois but apparently you like selective facts for your own agenda.

There’s no such thing as a gun free zone. If restrictions on guns – or any other thing – are not NATIONAL then effectiveness is greatly reduced. South Dakota could go gun free but if North Dakota does not then it doesn’t take much to get a gun in ND and drive south now does it?

“There’s no such thing as a gun free zone.’

Exactly the point. So long as there are guns in any country in the world there can be no such thing as a “gun free zone”. The ONLY way to stop gun violence is to somehow magicly remove every gun in existance and also the knowledge of how to manufacture them.

robbiefine@hotmail.com says:
“There’s no such thing as a gun free zone.”

A gun grabber with a clue. How refreshing.

- robbiefine: “If restrictions on guns – or any other thing – are not NATIONAL then effectiveness is greatly reduced.”

How’s that NATIONAL ban on Cocaine working for you?

We are the number one weapons dealer in the world 78% straight from our government. We are also the number arms manufacturer for the world domestically and internationally. We are the number one peddler of violence in the world . We don’t discriminate we arm everyone and the bodies pile up!

Absolutely! No more compromising! The NRA and GOA have written the rules for too long now and these mass killing continue. They have gone berserk in weapons proliferation with little responsibility attached to their laws.

There’s that irritating buzz again…buzzing around my bungholio.

Eddie,

With all due respect to your opinion, however, it is only your opinion. I would suggest that you research how the citizens of both the UK and Australia have fared under the gun controls imposed on them by their “representatives”. I would suggest you view the following videos for and honestly reflect on your beliefs. Even the police in the Uk & Australia are now admitting that the laws passed in their countries were a bad mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTyCD2n6HAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2BRoCd2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoLSk_BjGuo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7vNj2sb_00

The sole strategy of Progressives is to poke and provoke. Causing Americans to either act or react and it’s quite obvious that they would prefer a violent reaction. After all, what’s the purpose of all those Billions of bullets that Obama has bought, the FEMA camps that are empty and waiting, the thousands of armored SWAT vehicles purchased with Federal grants, the 30,000 drones scheduled to patrol our skies, the NDAA legislation to detain American citizens indefinitely without trial. Do you really believe it’s all being put together to deal with a few thousand domestic potential Jihadists? I certainly don’t.

you need to be deported back to where your from. You are not an American. Only dresses as one.

” There was an article in the paper last week that Colorado has 2,036 gun shops in private homes where the owner has background checks but a few of them can sell to anyone without a background check for the buyer. Yes indeed it’s fairly simple for a “criminal” to purchase a weapon. Love them lax laws which are favored by the NRA.”

For the sake of the discussion we will assume your ststement is accurate (although doubtful given your past record). If a person is acting as a gun dealer he is already breaking the law if he does not have a federal license and possibly a state license as well depending on the state laws where you live (Colorado?). If he is not prosecuted for acting as a dealer without a license the problem is NOT lax laws but rather lax enforcement of those laws.

Walt, those are all good points and hard for radical retros to defend.

Another part of the gun controls being implemented is that medical doctors are going to be required to ask their patients if they have guns. The doctors will ask, how many, where the guns are kept and what kind. Doctors will be held responsible by the regime to report any patient with guns. Can you imagine the lawsuit if a doctor didn’t report his patient and the patient misbehaves with a gun involved! So, the government has just enlisted doctors to their list of informants.

“Most guns found at crime scenes or on the perps were legally obtained.” WRONG!!! As one judge said, ” In my 30 years on the bench, I’ve only seen one weapon legally registered used in a homicide!” Think again, buddy!

Mr. Alinsky goes to Washington and he’s after you guns!

You can’t compromise by giving something away. If I own 10 acres of land, and you want five, we can’t compromise at two. They’re my damn acres of land.

In the gun violence debate, high-capacity magazines are a red herring. Firing 30 rounds with a single magazine or six five-round clips is a difference of about three seconds for anyone proficient with firearms. This debate isn’t about safety. The gun-control fanatics don’t care about safety. They don’t like guns. Does anyone believe that the anti-gun lobby will be satisfied if we surrender high-capacity magazines? After the next atrocity, they’ll have a new list of demands.

These are Alinskyite tactics. For those who still haven’t read “Rules for Radicals,” this is how leftists achieve their goals. They blame an enemy (the rich, big tobacco, the fossil fuels industry, corporations, Wall Street, gun owners, etc. — anyone with something to lose) and they harass that enemy until it offers a concession. Then they ask for more.

What they want is a concession. A concession, however small and inconsequential, says to the world that, yes, guns (or whatever) are evil. Concessions are an admission of guilt without a trial. Once an unsuspecting industry admits guilt, they’ve told their harassers that harassment works. The game is up. And the harassment never stops. Neither do the concessions. Over time, the small concessions become so routine that liberals start demanding larger ones. The end result is the same: less freedom and more government.

And as long as I’m predicting the future, let me look into my crystal ball. President Obama appointed Joe Biden to mastermind his gun grab, replete with buzzwords like compromise and balance and middle ground. This week Joe Biden is going to ask for something ridiculous. He’s going to point to murdered children. Then he’ll ask gun owners to be reasonable. Then he’s going to propose an infringement on the Second Amendment that gun owners can’t possibly accept. If history is any guide, the GOP will throw a high-pitched hissy fit. MSNBC will find a semi-famous gun owner saying something outrageous. The rest of the media will pick up the sound bite and go with the story. When Republican congressmen protest, Biden is going to whine in front of cameras about the intransigence of the far right.

Biden is going to find his inner Buddha and propose a middle way. He’ll pretend that he’s acquiescing when he merely asks for a federal ban on high-capacity magazines.

That’s how conservatives lose. That’s how we always lose: We rely on reason. The facts about gun violence, common sense, our nation’s history and FBI statistics indicate that an armed America is a safer America. But cool-headed arguments don’t always prevail. Today, emotions trump facts every time.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/mr-alinsky-goes-to-washington-and-hes-after-your-guns/#ixzz2IAF9HqCi

I have checked guns for sale on the internet and EVERY SINGLE ONE I have checked on REQUIRES the gun be shipped to a local dealer who will do the background check before the gun is released to you. You keep mentioning rogue or dishonest gundealers yet you have never presented any evidence that they are a pervasive problem.

eddie47d says:
“Thomas; Your right to defend yourself will not be affected.”

True. That right comes from God and not a piece of parchment. The CONTRACT with our government to PROTECT that right is, however being drastically affected.

STOP PUNISHING THE ~300 MILLION INNOCENTS for the acts of a few criminals.

STOP IT NOW.

eddie47d says:
“Now Thomas instead of using the bad guy as an excuse what are you doing to keep the “bad guy” from obtaining their weapons?”

WE keep them in jail. What do YOU do with them?

- eddie47d: “Most guns found at crime scenes or on the perp were legally obtained through straw purchases. ”

Since straw purchases are ILLEGAL your statement is prima facie FALSE.

eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie, its not about hunt you smug idiot. And allowing crooks and the government to have big clips doesn’t help us protect ourselves, go back to what ever commie country your from, you hate freedom, you hate the Constitution and all America stands for, do you give a right hand in the air to your Hitler, nazi-in-chief? People like you have gotten more people killed then any, our you proud you wimp puke.

JeffH claims: “Mr. Alinsky goes to Washington and he’s after you guns!”

Really? I heard he died a long time ago.

Rob

CZ52; I have presented much evidence in the past and its you who chooses to ignore it. Especially the Milwaukee and Phoenix dealers.

eddie I doubt very much you have such evidence if you did you would provide links to it. Also even if you do have evidence for a dealer or two in two cities it is not proof of a pervasive problem with rouge (your word) gun dealers.

CZ52 says:
“eddie I doubt very much you have such evidence if you did you would provide links to it. ”

Correct. He has no evidence and no links. If he had he would show them again just to prove us wrong.

If you are so concerned about facts Vickie then look them up. I know you are capable of searching for the same information that I do.

eddie says, “If you are so concerned about facts Vickie then look them up. I know you are capable of searching for the same information that I do.”

My God eddie, just when I thought you couldn’t get any more stupid..you defy all logic and prove me wrong.

No one is as illogical and incapable as you at searching…for anything. Your middle name has to be “wrong” and it’s been proven time and time again over 3+ years just how wrong you are…will you lie about that too!

More typical sarcasm from Bill! LOL!

eddie – Sarcasm? No. I think Bill is saying it like it is.

Why don’t you move to NY? Sounds like your dream city. You can keep us posted on just how all that gun control is working for ya.

Sounds like eddie is afraid to go live his dream. C’mon eddie, man up. You obviously like what NY is doing…you just stated so. All of us will pitch in for the move eddie…it won’t cost you a dime. Or could it be that eddies knows that he is full of sh!t…and that he will be a victim within aweek of his arrival? My vote goes to the latter…

Go ahead eddie…live your dream. ( good luck)

AJ

NYC isn’t bad and I was there 3 times when it was inflicted with gun violence and the cops were even meaner, 1972-1983. Even took my kids who were 5-11 years old and had to walk two miles away to a parking lot and even went into the Bowery and the Bronx. Fear is a state of mind and you all show it well!

I’ll have to ask my neighbor (former police chief in Denver) to fire off a couple of rounds and see what happens. Hearing gunshots in some parts of the city would not be a welcoming sound.

Were I still in the city, I’d have concerns. Where there is space enough…not so much.
I do find it interesting that you assume your neighbor could get away with it, where you could not. I really hate law that depends on who you are, or know.

Who were you replying to Jon. I was in reference that my neighbor wouldn’t get away with it.

Texas Ride———-so the NRA and their ad with Obama’s kids as a pitch is what?

The gun owners are nothing more than gun crazed nuts——-a bunch of insecure cowards.

Live By Your Gun……..Die By Your Gun…………..

Joe, did you just say that legal gun owners are “crazies!”

You truly are out-of-step with real Americans!

Sorry, but you are the “crazy one.” You lib radicals will just haven’t a clue…

and so Texas Ride the murder of 20 innocent children & 6 adults is just so okay & peachy? and gun murders continue daily in the USA at the rate of approximately 34/daily.

Nancy Lanza was such a responsible gun owner———Live By Her Gun—-She Died By Her Gun………..

Joe, you are so brainwashed such a crazed-nut-job, yourself, that it is not worth the effort.

In fact, you sound like the kind that should be “watched and put on a list.” You may go over the edge any minute now.

Insulting post removed

Texas Ride, sorry I’m repling to eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie. Wow, this idiot lives in my state? I’m so ashamed to admit it but then we have more illegals then anyone so somehow this idiot got here from what ever commie country he is from. Come to my place un-invited and I’ll sent you to a real hot climate for ever, you commie coward teddy eddie, you wimp so and so.

Texas Ride,
To put this as simply as possible….Joe is a troll…nothing more, nothing less. He is here for one purpose..to stir things up. He has nothing of value to add to the conversation ( as evidenced by all of his previous posts). Do not react, do not converse….In short, Don’t Feed the Troll…eventually is will seek attention elsewhere..

AJ

Look it up Texas Ride for NYC’s crime rate is down. No apologies to Joe needed!

Benjamin Fox,
Did I understand right? eddie the commie lives in Texas? Please tell me it isn’t so.

JeffH claims: “I want to control everything you do so that you must comply with my own wishes,”

Really… Your perspective is from the right.

Then from the left…

Folks from the left don’t want the government sniffing between their legs to make sure that if they get pregnant they stay pregnant.

Folks from the left don’t want religious nuts telling them who they can marry via government intervention. (remember a civil contract from the government… even atheists can marry).

Folks from the left want to exit this life when they want to, particularly if they are in pain and there is no hope for a cure. Even in something as personal as that those on the right stop it.

And so on with the other freedoms that are crushed by those who want to run the lives of others.

Rob

Sorry my post was so far over your head RS. Now go back and take a look where my comment was posted and who’s comment it was posted under.

Now, do you get it?

JeffH,
Robert has his head wrapped in so much anger that he can’t read straight. hahahaha

Jana It’s more likely he’s got his head wrapped up with his bungholio.

Thanks!

The last time I checked it is 2013 and Rick Perry is Governor. In Wyoming we are not up for political usurpation of an illigitimate president

They had controls in the Wild West to stop killings but some of you still can’t move into a civilized modern world.

Yes there are some Texans with commonsense.

Yep, they had controls in the Wild West!

The Hanging Tree! No big trial and immediate Justice!!

Much better process than we have today where these shooters can spend decades on trial and death row, at the taxpayers expense.

Lets bring back “The Hanging Tree!”

Other controls they had were Colt, S&W, and other pistols; Winchester, sharps, Spencer, and other rifles; double barrell shotguns and towards the end of the era various repeating shotguns.

The Dalton gang raid on Coffeeville Kansas was stoppes by private citizens using their personal firearms to shoot the gang to “doll rags” as the saying goes. Out of I believe 5 gang menbers there was one survivor Emmett Dalton and he had been shot multiple times. In the James-Younger raid on Northfield Minn. the citizens shot up and ran off the gang using their privately owned firearms.

eddie teddy 47 ways to be a commie would come up with this, it is what he wants, to be a slave on the marxist plantation, so full of hot air if he farted would wipe out half the U.S. He is a commie plant on this site to speak for the evil people who don’t mind being slave to his Hitler in the White House, a real non thinking blind and dumb robot.

Even Robbie The Robot was more intelligent than you Benjamin.

Bush didnt want to be KING and he has blainly gone against our Constitution like the wanabe king ,obama has cimmited more crimes against the Constitution than any other president ,he got four Americans killed in Libyia !!!watched them die and did nothing to help them ,he sold guns to drug cartells in mexico ,Bush didnt do any of this ,Impeach this commie

Bush and Reagan cost far more American lives at embassies and in war so what is your real point Gerald. [comment has been edited] Sarcasm due to your sarcasm!!

LOOK Mr. Smith, the idea here is: Bush or Obama are/were not good pres’ and yet Obama is NOT actually a legal pres. The man is PROVEN to be ILLEGAL! Has that already been established that his dad was born in Kenya and sooooo that makes him illegal. He was also BORN in Mombasa Kenya as his G-mom said he was ! This man is a communist ans it has been said by Time mag that the man is the first Homo-sexual pres and he is also a Muslim! The man is all wrong…He has usurped congress and has put this military in wars not auth by congress and has gone over, under and around congress to pass laws that suit his destruction of this nation! Bush was a ew One World Order &^%$#@# and yet he was NOT as bad a Obama..what GOOD has this man done except spend millions going bach and forth to hawaii etc and trapsing all over the world apologizing for this nation and bowing to our adversaries and Saudi Princes! You do, or think like you want. but obama is here for one reason….to destroy this nation unless the people make up their minds to repent of what has happened and IMPEACH this so called Selected, not elected,Pres!!

The By-word in Bush’s and Clinton’s executive orders is “importation”. The cheaper Chi-Com and Soviet made AK series and SKS were much easier to obtain and preferred over the
domestic military semi-automatics whereby gang bangas could buy more firepower for the buck. The AR, at the time, was a domestically manufactured weapon and so were many others that were grand fathered in. The difference will not be truly known until President Obama addresses the nation with his proposals and then we will know if he will overstep
his authority by attempting to nullify the second amendment. (infringement to bear arms
regardless of it’s civilian or military nature)

My view is that blowing away 20 six year olds in their classroom is not at all part of a “well regulated militia”. It’s important to read the entire amendment not just the last couple of words.

You’re right Robert! Let’s impeach Bush right now!

It was only an Import ban that had an end date, he didn’t ban some guns completely like the Dictator in the whithouse want too, big difference. His policies are a big reminder from Germany 1935.

Bush was not a Communist dictator wannabe.

You are absolutely correct. The gun advocates will defend what Bush did, but being a DEM and black, the gun advocates are against anything that makes sense.

Live By The Gun………Die By The Gun…………..

Homer, that is a big “thumbs-up.”

More people than the retros can imagine feel the same way about the “girlie-man.”

And, as for the woman that carries around his kahonas, she should be thrown out of Washington on her behind. We need to turn over every rock and find out what makes this woman so important to girlie-guy. Why does she meet with the girlie-guy twice a day? Why does she have a big staff, and why does she have Security assigned to her? Could she get any kind of “security clearance” since she is in the middle of the business of our country!

I think if we knew everything about Valerie Jarett, a lot of questions we have about our girlie-pres, would be outed!

You are correct Robert, he did sign the executive order and was not impeached, He was un-elected shortly thereafter! go figure

no one hates OB. What is hated is his take over the country and not follow the constitution. You might only get upset when he takes over your freedom of speech. At that point you might say the same thing as I am saying:. Hey man, Why you do this am I not protected by the constitution. His response will be that he the king not you, shut up or we’ll shut you up.

Joe, it’s nice to see your racially motivated anti-gun comment…speaks volumes about your charachter or lack thereof.

…Molôn Labé…

Hey JeffH…………….its all about race———-you gun thugs hate our black POTUS.

If this was Bush or Reagan—————you all would jump on the gun wagon. In fact what did Reagan & Bush do through Executive Order? Get freakin’ informed!

Joe, get control of yourself! You are the racist here!

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt” – dishonest Abe Lincoln

Oh yes Jeff———–Live by yoiur gun…………Die by your gun……………

I am not a racist……………….but you all are…………….you hate POTUS Obama as he is black. You are the racist!

Joe, all you’re doing is confirming your own racist beliefs. You’re delusional, seeing things that ain’t there.

Please, I beg you to take your accusations of racism elsewhere. I’m being nice…you should try it yourself rather than making unsupported statements and unsupported accusations based soley on personal ignorance.

JeffH………. its not ignorance……….I will leave it at that.

robbiefine@hotmail.com says:
“My view is that blowing away 20 six year olds in their classroom is not at all part of a “well regulated militia”.”

No it is not so STOP PUNISHING the militia for the acts of a single madman.

robbiefine@hotmail.com says:
“It’s important to read the entire amendment not just the last couple of words.”

It’s important to comprehend what is written too.
http://constitution.org/2ll/schol/2amd_grammar.htm

This is especially true for gun grabbers because as you pointed out they only seem to see the last couple of words “…be infringed”.

I notice that obama has been busy infringing on almost EVERY enumerated right in the Constitution so I guess he could explain to Clinton the meaning of “is”.

Joe says:
“The gun advocates will defend what Bush did, but being a DEM and black, the gun advocates are against anything that makes sense.”

Bush was an African-American? And a DEM (what is that btw?) Wow. Who would have known.

- Joe: “Live By The Gun………Die By The Gun…………..”

Paid assassins and “hitmen” do tend to die that way. However I don’t think that most policemen, nor secret service, nor soldiers do.

So what is your point?

Everybody, PLEASE watch this video in it’s entirety. Some of the evidence shown here is hard to refute:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d516tIViRLI

Anyone who gets hurt by a gun toting crook or someone who got the weapon illegally should sue Obozo personally, If car jacketed, sue Obozo personally, if killed in a gun free zone, sue Obozo personally, heck Hitler in the White House wll pay off with the money he stole from the citizens since he is making a plantation of slaves for his marxist agenda.

Stuart says: “You are correct Robert, he (Bush) did sign the executive order and was not impeached, He was un-elected shortly thereafter!”

Yup, and Obama has been threatened with all sorts of garbage from the right wing and he has been reelected.

Rob

Vickie; The militias of today are nothing like the militias that came to the aid of our Founding Fathers. If the militias of today were sane the good ones would have put an end to the extremists who hijacked their cause. Think Hutaree,McVeigh and the Alaskan Peacekeepers Militia.

eddie47d says:
“Vickie; The militias of today are nothing like the militias that came to the aid of our Founding Fathers. If the militias of today were sane the good ones would have put an end to the extremists who hijacked their cause. Think Hutaree,McVeigh and the Alaskan Peacekeepers Militia.”

~300 MILLION Americans didn’t shoot anyone. A significant portion of those ARE THE MILITIA of the United States. (10 USC § 311) STOP trying to disarm the militia.

STOP PUNISHING THE INNOCENT for the actions of a few criminals

STOP IT
STOP IT NOW.

Do we HEAR each other? STOP THIS great divide, we are all great loving Americans. The media frinzy is doing a psy ops on us trained by the Pentagon machine of brainwashing. I,m from CT and my family was stocked by this murder. This is not politics, this not a debate, this is a crime. Like General Wesley Clark said, “MASS CASUALTY PRODUCING EVENTS, to furtherongstanding plans for implementation of long standing legislation.” We are all being played, its called mental psy ops abuse, the media is playing us against each other, both sides of them. STOP being played and being DIVIDED.

Your not being punished Vickie we just want to to wake up to some common sense . No matter how safe you think those guns(semi-automatics) are making you they are making this a more dangerous country for others. Those militias I mentioned well their members think just like you and want the same rights and are willing to do alot of damage (killing) to keep their agenda. I do not agree with that kind of extremism and violence.

Are you a racist?

Am I a racist? No. Why on earth would you ask such a question? Because you wrote stuff that can not be understood? I suggest you read what you wrote or show it to people and see if they understand it.

Joe, is that all you’ve got. No one cares.

Joe says:
January 16, 2013 at 10:28 am
“Are you a racist?”

Did not take too long for someone who has nothing to refute what has been posted to throw out “the race card” did it.

Guns are useless………..what you don’t like our POTUS? Why because he is a black educated male. Unlike you, you are nothing more than a coward whom is insecure. Go ahead hide in your cave with your gun………………

What the deaths of 20 innocent children in Newtown, CT is not enough for a change?

Too bad it was not your kid! You are pathetic & pitiful!

Joe, why is it necessary for you to publicize your own racism? Nobody but you has brought the race card into the conversation. Perhaps you could consider trolling your racist comments on another website, one that would welcome racist shills and racist trolls with open arms.

So why do you all refer to Our POTUS as a person that you do?

Why do so many GOP & Tea Baggers dislike him?

I have a job to do and I am doing it.

Joe, get this through your thick head! He’s disliked because of his politics…he’s a radical Alinsky trained Marxist/communist/facsist/socialist. He’s a liar, a manipulator and a warmonger. He’s a politician, he’s been a lawyer and just like 90% +- of our representatives he is an eletist, a puppet for the One Worlder’s , the Federal Reserve and the Central Banks.

Then again, I can read and I can comprehend. I don’t rely on the MSM, including FOX, Rush, Hannity, Madcow, Sgt. Ed Schultz, tinly Matthews for my sources of news.

Just by your own comments, not only are you a racist but you have become a puppet, a “usefull idiot” for the very eletists you probably despise.

Lolon Labe…if you think you can!

Insulting comment removed.

Joe – I surmise from your all-too-predictable idiocy that you are a new hire as a professional shill.

Since you are just getting started, I suggest you read this letter from a soldier about what is now beginning in America. He is speaking to all of us, but he does make a special point to address those of you who work for the Leftist machine:

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/a-time-to-kill/

Short memo you obviously missed: the racist cr*p doesn’t fly anymore. We’re completely on to who you are and the tactics you use. Just so you know.

I could care less what you think……………….

In God We Trust for Technology & IP Addresses.

Joe says:
“Guns are useless……….”

Why do police have them?

Joe says:
“So why do you all refer to Our POTUS as a person that you do?”

Why? Is he NOT a person?

Joe says:
“I have a job to do and I am doing it.”

That is rather amusingly obvious. Btw how much do you currently get paid to disrupt conversations?

Joe says:
“….f ocking……p rick…..f ocking….arse…..B F…..focking”

Much swearing.

- Joe: “a Gun Crazed Nut.”

The ad homiem

Joe: “I don’t give a dam what you think punk”

You are correct. I suspect that few here will care what you think.

Kate8 says:
“Joe – I surmise from your all-too-predictable idiocy that you are a new hire as a professional shill.”

We know he is a professional shill cause he told us so just above.

Vicki, LMAO ! To think that they(progressive shills just like the obviously unhinged Joe)like to call people like us the “unhinged right”.

If he’s paid to be here, he won’t have that job for very long. Well, on second thought, I may be wrong on. Quite a few shills get paid for stupid. Could that be a job requirement for progressives? Just thinkin out loud.

Takes a lickin’ and keeps on tickin’!

I don’t understand what you’re saying. What does this mean?: “not only that he makes he is such a smart evil”. I can’t figure it out. Also what is this?: “thats how he gotten reelected.” Thats how he gotten? Maybe english is not your first language but as a high school teacher of 28 years I would advise you to read over and correcting your work before sending.

JeffH – Hey…you read the job description. Shills are hired BECAUSE of their ignorance and cluelessness. They don’t want people who are able to reason, or even think. They want people who will say whatever they’re told to say for money. Nothing else matters.

If these shills knew why they were chosen, they might actually be offended… That is, if they were intelligent enough to figure it out.

Like I always say, useful idiots are still idiots when their usefullness runs out. Then they become a liability.

Yes, its referred to as collateral damage——–too bad.

Well said for Newtown rather proves that those kids are no more than collateral damage for the gun preachers.

Joe,
The reason we refer to the President as we do is WE DON’T LIKE HIS POLICIES!!!

Why did you refer to Bush like you did? You leftists didn’t use nice terms for him and you didn’t mince words when you shared them either. Now that we don’t like Obama’s politics and policies and what he is doing to our country you conveniently claim racism.
Obama the President of blame! Joe blaming race. Two of a kind!

This one is for JOE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1o0ooNn8Qc

You are absolutely correct warren………..the GOP would be cleaned out on their behinds. The NRA would be gone too.

So Bush should have been impeached too! Oh I see, you are a Hypocrite!

Gotta love Technology & IP Addresses.

I hope you all are watching and aware of how those who have been outspoken on our freedom are being assassinated at an increasing rate. My gosh…people are being murdered every day by this administration.

I remember hearing that, when we see people who have been vocal in opposing this government being taken out, it means we are at the endgame.

The latest:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/01/are-anti-gun-murder-squads-killing-pro-gun-campaigners-2538102.html

I forgot the rest of my point, which is, who is committing the gun violence?

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ADVOCATING FOR GUN BANS.

Just who is it we need to take guns away from? I’d say, THIS ADMINISTRATION.

Kate8,
Have you seen how much his CONTROLS are going to cost? 500 MILLION DOLLARS. Good grief, all this man Obama knows how to do is spend and spend spend. He has no intentions of reducing the budget or cutting spending in any way.

I am new to this site but I am detecting that some of the writers such as Ben exhibit quite a high level of frustration, even anger. Before an election they like to tout the virtues of democracy and all that but if their candidate does not win they get all upset. I call that the poor loser syndrome.