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The Gun Grab Cometh

December 31, 2012 by  

The Gun Grab Cometh
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Whether the gun grabbers orchestrated the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre or just saw it as the perfect opportunity to rip the heart out of yet another Constitutional amendment, before the bodies of those slaughtered babies were even cold the 1 percent were signaling that 2013 is going to be a tumultuous year for gun owners — and liberty.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (Fascist-Calif.) announced on her website on Dec. 17 that she was introducing a bill in January to “stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition feeding devises.” It will ban 120 specifically named weapons, including handguns and shotguns, and strengthen the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in 2004.

According to the outline of Feinstein’s bill, it will grandfather in all legally owned weapons, but it will require they be registered and the owner fingerprinted. It will require a $200 per weapon tax be paid. The guns will not be transferable, meaning that upon the death of the owner the guns will become the property of the Federal government. It will allow the sale of 900 specifically named weapons, but none that can accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

She and her fascist cohorts in crime — New York’s Senator Chuck Schumer and Representatives Carolyn McCarty and Jerrold Nadler and West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller, among others — are calling for a ban on so-called “assault weapons” and any weapon that uses high-capacity magazines. Unfortunately, a vast number of the unwashed masses — in a fit of emotionalism resulting from the thought of all those dead kindergartners — are buying into the lie that one more law would have saved those innocents. The above-mentioned 1 percenters all indicated they would steal everyone’s weapons and magazines, placating themselves with the rationalization that it’s a gun and magazine buy-back program, if they thought they could get away with it.

Never mind that purported shooter Adam Lanza broke a half dozen or more laws before he ever shot the first child. Never mind that Connecticut is ranked fifth of the 50 States in gun control laws, according the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence because the State “has strong gun laws that help combat the illegal gun market, prevent the sale of most guns without background checks and reduce risks to children.” And never mind that, according to FBI homicide data, rifles of all types are the least-used guns when crimes are committed.

Of course, Feinstein, Schumer, et al. care not a whit about children, as I explained here. If they did, they’d be weeping over the hundreds of children killed by President Barack Obama’s drone attacks, those killed in car accidents because of corporate average fuel economy (CAFE) standards and government-mandated air bags, and the 2,000 aborted every day in America.

Instead, they try to turn reason on its ear by equating law-abiding Americans — who own certain semi-automatic weapons — with terrorists. So their answer is to add more layers of laws, bureaucracy and expense on the already burdensome exercise of acquiring weapons for protection (and yes, it can be burdensome in some States).

But you don’t need those scary-looking so-called “assault weapons” to protect yourself, they’ll say. Or, as President Barack Obama reminds us in typical straw man fashion, military-style weapons with high capacity magazines shouldn’t be in the hands of civilians.

Tell that to these men who were left to their own devices during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

When society broke down, law enforcement was nowhere to be found. These business owners armed themselves to protect their property. But had a large crowd braved the guns they possessed and come to loot their stores, the double-barreled shotgun and bolt-action rifle being wielded would have been inadequate, where an AR15 and several 30-round magazines would have been quite a deterrent. As the reporter said at the end of the clip, more than 100 Korean-owned businesses had already been looted. Just not this one.

The gun grabbers will tell you that you no one needs an AR15 because they’re not used for hunting. That would be a surprise to the tens of thousands of deer and other small game felled by them each year.

But the 2nd Amendment was not put in place just for hunters or for self-defense. It was put in place to protect Americans from totalitarians in government like Jerrold Nadler, who told CNS News: “One of the definitions of a nation state is that the state has a monopoly on legitimate violence. And the state ought to have a monopoly on legitimate violence. If the premise of your question is that people are going to resist a tyrannical government by shooting machine guns at American troops, that’s insane.”

Yes, it’s insane because Americans are prohibited from owning “machine guns” unless they first acquire a Class 3 Federal firearms license, an expensive and daunting undertaking. The weapons on the list to be banned are semi-automatic — one trigger pull, one round fired — not fully automatic. That meme is yet another straw man.

If the state has a monopoly on violence, that is full-blown tyranny. Americans would no longer be citizens, they would be subjects. Nadler has revealed the end game.

Folks, the Sandy Hook shooting narrative has more holes than a piece of hardware cloth, as do the Aurora, Colo., theater shooting, the Milwaukee Sikh temple shooting and the 1999 Columbine, Colo., massacre, for that matter. They’re likely all false flag events. And just like previous ones, they will lead to loss of liberty.

The fallout from these shootings is always the same: a call for stricter gun laws. As Nadler’s comment indicates, this time the gun grabbers are emboldened as never before. But why wouldn’t they be. It was just a year ago that they passed the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows for the indefinite detention, without charges or trial, of Americans on American soil. And they did so with barely a whimper out of the populace, which is becoming ever more docile and subservient by the day.

The psychopaths in the cesspool of Washington, D.C., realize there is no better time to strike than while Americans are emotionally drained from the visions of grieving parents and the sweet smiles of the dead children.

The truth is that of the 12,664 murders committed in the United States in 2011, rifles were used in only 323 of them. “Knives or other cutting instruments” were used in 1,694 murders; hands and feet in 726; and blunt objects like clubs and hammers were used in 496. A ban on knives and hands and feet would be far more effective in reducing murders, which Nadler claims is the goal.

But, of course, reducing murders is not the goal of the 1 percent. It’s total disarmament. That would give the state the long-awaited monopoly on violence.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Steve E

    “To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege.” [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]

    • GALT

      1878??????? Nothing before 1939 matters, and that includes the constitution, with
      the exception of the benefits, privileges and immunities, you have been graciously
      allowed to retain ( until further notice )……still Heller is both apropos and sufficient
      at the moment……….

  • Steve E

    “You are bound to meet misfortune if you are unarmed because, among other reasons, people despise you….There is simply no comparison between a man who is armed and one who is not. It is unreasonable to expect that an armed man should obey one who is unarmed, or that an unarmed man should remain safe and secure when his servants are armed. In the latter case, there will be suspicion on the one hand and contempt on the other, making cooperation impossible.” (Niccolo Machiavelli in “The Prince”)

    • Karolyn

      Really? Quoting Machiavelli?

      • Steve E

        Truth is truth no matter where it comes from. Even from a French-Italian guy.

      • JC

        That’s exactly right Steve.

        “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look
        upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”

        Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi

      • Joe America

        Everyone who bothers reading knows that there is a conspiracy by the power elite to create a New World Order, a one world government. In other words, it’s really, the old world order, seeking to take over The United States of American, and then, the entire world. The plan is to do this financially and then, militarily. The grand majority of Americans are asleep at the wheel and have no idea of what’s coming. The NWO is coming my little babies, and it’s coming for you. Here’s a few very enlightening videos, that those within the NWO don’t want you to watch:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaWOZU9TqQw
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0b5gS3-R2Q
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8RtL3azDg
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpGW4YrdHBE

  • Paul Torsiello

    MS Fascist Fienstien can Kiss my American ass, nobody is getting my guns from me without getting shot themselves!

    • Rickie

      Yep… I agree..she can kiss mine not on the left nor on the right but right in the middle!
      Fought in NAM and now they are going to try to take our weapons…time to get grungy Marines!! UhhhhRhaaaaa!!!

      • Rivenheart

        The thing is she is probably one of those greeting the returning Veterans by spitting on them

    • JON A. [USMC RET.]

      PAUL
      TELL THEM THAT IF THEY WANT MY GUNS, IS TO BRING MORE THAN ONE TANK.

  • http://yahoo gail

    The time is near for revolution and it will come in this country. Obama puts into play a heath care act with a tax yet the congress and senate dont agree with it uses executive order???? 537 Commies in office We the people have the power under the Constitution yet we have the guns do you think the military will stop us all we need is a leader and its all over for the politicians the states have there own soverienty and it will come.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    More food for thought…..

    Akhil Reed Amar, a professor at Yale Law School, one of the nation’s leading authorities on the Constitution, offers some thoughts about the Second Amendment.

    “Originally, the Second Amendment is very much about local militias keeping check on a federal military establishment. It’s about Lexington and Concord and Bunker Hill. It’s a product of the American Revolution. The motto at the founding is when guns are outlawed only the king’s men will have guns.”

    “In a nutshell, almost everything ordinary Americans think they know about the Bill of Rights, including the phrase ‘Bill of Rights,’ comes from the Reconstruction period. Not once did the Founders refer to these early amendments as a bill of rights. We read everything through the prism of the 14th amendment — including the right to bear and keep arms.”

    “The reconstruction Republicans didn’t love local militias. They believed in Grant’s army. So they recast it. It becomes an individual right. The NRA is founded after the Civil War by a group of ex-Union Army officers. Now the motto goes, when guns are outlawed, only klansmen will have guns. Individual black men had to have guns in their homes because they couldn’t count on the local constabulary. It’s in the text of the Freedman’s Bureau Act of 1866 that we actually see the reinterpretation of the original Second Amendment. It becomes about original rights.”

    “The reconstructionists had had four bloody years trying to suppress bloody coups. So they tried to tame the Second Amendment. We moved from an insurrectionary reading of the amendment to an individual one.”

    “Instead of obsessing over the wording of the amendment, which doesn’t fit anymore, we need to talk about unenumerated rights in America,” he replied. “Having guns in homes for self protection is a very deep part of American culture. You couldn’t even get rid of those guns if you tried. It would make prohibition look like a day in the park. Today, almost everywhere in America you can have a gun in your home and that should be respected. But that doesn’t mean you need guns that can mow 26 people down. We can talk about reasonable regulation.”

    • FreedomFighter

      Again the communist rewrite of history…here is a quote for you commi boy:

      A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
      – George Washington

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Ted Crawford

        Here is another, more recent quote, from a LIBEAL even! Some of us can still remember when Liberals still existed. ” Certainly one of the chief guarentees of Freedom under any Government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the Citizens to keep and bear arms” Hubert Humphrey
        Another;
        “If I were to select a jack-booted group of Facists, who are perhaps as large a danger to American Society as i could pick today, I would pick B.A.T.F. (bureau of Alcohol Tabacco & Firearms” John Dingle
        How about one from a Pacificist:
        ” Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole Nation of arms as the blackest” Mahatma Gandhi
        Who, on the other hand seeks to control them?
        ” All Political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The Communist Party must command all the guns” Mao Tze Tung
        ” I have given the catagorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapoms” Benito mussolini
        ” I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a Sine qua non for the overthrow of a Sovereignty. German Troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintainance of Law and Order” Adolf Hitler

    • Richard Theilmann

      Excellent, Right Brain Thinker, In a related post, I called for the removal of all Semi Auto’s, and there would still be plenty of guns for people to own.

      And by the way, the Second Amendment is just that, an amendment and it CAN be repelled, just like that OTHER famous amendment.

      • cawmun cents

        Perhaps I will see you then.
        First in line at my domicile,ready to confiscate my freedoms for your vaunted “personal safety”?.
        That will be a fine day for us both.
        To your arrogance ……I salute you!
        Huzzzah!
        -CC.

      • DaveH

        Then work to repeal it, Richard. Until then, any other efforts you make to disarm the people are lawless.

    • DaveH

      “Reasonable regulation” to Power-seeking Leaders is anything that takes as many guns from us as they can get away with.
      RBT’s author says — “But that doesn’t mean you need guns that can mow 26 people down”.

      So, he’s promoting disarmament of our Imperialistic Government?

  • Frank

    Happy to see that you are using the term “gun grabber” rather than liberals. Obvioulsly the people talking about gun control includes many conservative Republicans. It is an issue that cuts across all lines of party and political beliefs. As I have often said, to think that only liberals are talking about the issue of gun control is to make as big a mistake as the people who predicted that only a few liberals would vote for Obama and there would be a landslide for Romney. Sometimes I think it is more an issue of urban vs rural than anything else.

    • DaveH

      Probably more correct would be to classify them as just plain old Progressives. Those who want to grow Government ever larger.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Right Brain Thinker says on another thread:
    December 29, 2012 at 11:09 am

    Food for thought…..

    Firman Debrander argued in a recent New York Times piece. It’s worth the time to read the whole thing, but here’s the core of his case:

    “…guns pose a monumental challenge to freedom, and particular, the liberty that is the hallmark of any democracy worthy of the name — that is, freedom of speech. Guns do communicate, after all, but in a way that is contrary to free speech aspirations: for, guns chasten speech.

    “This becomes clear if only you pry a little more deeply into the N.R.A.’s logic behind an armed society. An armed society is polite, by their thinking, precisely because guns would compel everyone to tamp down eccentric behavior, and refrain from actions that might seem threatening. The suggestion is that guns liberally interspersed throughout society would cause us all to walk gingerly — not make any sudden, unexpected moves — and watch what we say, how we act, whom we might offend.

    “As our Constitution provides, however, liberty entails precisely the freedom to be reckless, within limits, also the freedom to insult and offend as the case may be. The Supreme Court has repeatedly upheld our right to experiment in offensive language and ideas, and in some cases, offensive action and speech. Such experimentation is inherent to our freedom as such. But guns by their nature do not mix with this experiment — they don’t mix with taking offense. They are combustible ingredients in assembly and speech.

    “After all, a population of privately armed citizens is one that is increasingly fragmented, and vulnerable as a result. Private gun ownership invites retreat into extreme individualism — I heard numerous calls for homeschooling in the wake of the Newtown shootings — and nourishes the illusion that I can be my own police, or military, as the case may be….

    “As Michel Foucault pointed out in his detailed study of the mechanisms of power, nothing suits power so well as extreme individualism. In fact, he explains, political and corporate interests aim at nothing less than “individualization,” since it is far easier to manipulate a collection of discrete and increasingly independent individuals than a community. Guns undermine just that — community. Their pervasive, open presence would sow apprehension, suspicion, mistrust and fear, all emotions that are corrosive of community and civic cooperation. To that extent, then, guns give license to autocratic government.

    “Our gun culture promotes a fatal slide into extreme individualism. It fosters a society of atomistic individuals, isolated before power — and one another — and in the aftermath of shootings such as at Newtown, paralyzed with fear. That is not freedom, but quite its opposite. And as the Occupy movement makes clear, also the demonstrators that precipitated regime change in Egypt and Myanmar last year, assembled masses don’t require guns to exercise and secure their freedom, and wield world-changing political force. Arendt and Foucault reveal that power does not lie in armed individuals, but in assembly — and everything conducive to that”.
    Reply

    • FreedomFighter

      Let me see, I listen to them guys or…

      A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
      – George Washington

      I choose George Washington

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Joe

        SEMPER FI ,brother.. It is a shame that many people of the country are following the government leaders. THEY DON’T BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION, OR THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
        Joe

      • JC

        Amen That!

      • http://rockdog1113dothushmaildotcom.wordpress.com rocquedog

        Patriots plan for resisting the Globalist agenda:
        Develop Secure Community Co-ops (Interactive Neighborhood Watch on steroids). Groups should be from about 5 to 15 people in the same general area, neighborhood. All members should be conservative/responsible adults.
        Members should work at fortifying local, county and state govts. as well as joining Shrf. Reserve Forces (as long as the shrf. is an oathkeeper), Constitutional Sheriffs Assoc./ USCDA, State Militias, Constitutional Militias, etc. Also, should be involved in TP, 9-12, John Birch Soc., etc.
        SCC’s should have a liason with other like-minded grps. in order to give/obtain support when needed.
        The states should and hopefully will be the first line of defense against an overreaching tyrannical govt.(Don’t count on it if you are living in a Blue State) Next, it would fall on the counties and local communities, working in concert with the various State Militia units, Co. Shrfs’ Depts., Constitutional and SCC elements. After that, if needed, Bug Out procedures should be implemented. Hopefully, to safe areas.

    • tony newbill

      The manipulation of the culture to force more and more aggressive reactions that would deem the public more and more a greater threat to itself as a Self Secured society could be a result of behind the scenes actions that are creating the overwhelming sensation to how the society functions and supplies itself or is being oppressed to be able to supply itself which in turn results in confusion and kinds of reactions we see playing out from the cause and effect of our Government Policies that are interrupting free societies activities to be a self reliant society .
      Take this for instance ,
      Hurricane Sandy … was it a generated and controlled system ?
      This is a Study done back in the mid 1990s on controlling the weather by harnessing the Ionosphere….
      http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

      Close the gaps on the WWW on this link , and check out the fact that it is all about what is talked about in controlling the Ionosphere …
      w w w.haarp.alaska.edu/

    • TheTruthHurts

      RBT: You & your buddy seems to be out of touch with science. I may refer you to an entire book, “The Science of Fear” By Daniel Gardner; in it there are many references to studies performed over the past 20-30 years that strongly suggests that group mentality greatly diminishes an individuals ability to come to realistic/true conclusions. A few thoughts you should really look into are confirmation bias (where one will only absorb information that agrees with their pre-existing ideologies) & group polarization (get a bunch of people who think the same & they tend to change the bell shaped curve towards the “outliers”, truly skewing data).
      Also, he states that the “NRAs ideologies.. blah blah blah…” The NRA did not write the 2nd amendment. A group of men in the 1770s decided to throw down some letters on a piece of paper to explain to people that they have a right to defend themselves (interesting bc there were probably no monarchs allowing their subjects to arm themselves…); that governments do not GIVE people these rights, they are BORN with them.
      Another book (more like pamphlet) you should purchase (totally $4.99) is “The Second Amendment” by David Bartton. Excellent insight into the nature of the writing of this little phrase.
      Individualism in no way suggests isolationism… How was it that America thrived for so long under this idealism? Individualism does not suggest that people are fragmented & do not belong to a community. Where do these people with these inane ideas come from????
      This is perhaps the most illogical & irrational piece I’ve ever read, and from a a NYT columnist?? Holy sweet Jesus. Coming from a RBT you would think anything that flows fromm your gullet will adhere to some logical reasoning.

    • DaveH

      What a crock, Lizard Brain. Guns are no more dangerous to Freedom of Speech than knives or bats or axes or anything else a bully might choose to silence those he is afraid to hear.
      And they are a lot less dangerous to Freedom of Speech than Liberal Progressive Socialists who typically silence all opposition if the people are foolish enough to let them gain absolute power.

    • DaveH

      It would be comical if it weren’t so serious for Liberal Progressives, the originators of the “Politically Correct” movement, to feign concern for Free Speech. They want you to be able to Speak Freely, as long as it is speaking their way.

  • Tom Cook

    Bob, you are the first one besides me who has the courage to ponder the obama administration involvement in Newton. I would bet money that obama was behind it with the understanding that it would take a Dunblane type of massacre to arouse Americans who do not have the European serf mentality. If the commies send their thugs to take our weapons there will be blood–and there are a lot more of us than them.

    • Andy

      I’m right there with ya partner!! They are not taking mine without a fight!!

  • Bruce

    One other thing, cars are registered and it seems that we can not stop them from killing people. Especailly under control of a drunk or high driver. Tens of thousands per year are killed by impared drivers.

    • jim robator

      yes and now we have another drug that most states made leagle but that is ok what drug will they say is ok next

    • Rickie

      I was recently rear ended by a teen playing a video game on their fricking iPod…
      So should we ban all iPods, games, cars, bats, clubs,…..how about just ttaking all of our freedoms away and make us build pyrimids..
      WTF!!

    • nc

      Bruce, how many MORE would be killed by cars if we had NO laws regulating their possession and use?? Think the number killed by guns COULD BE REDUCED BY THE SAME METHOD?? Are you against motor vehicle laws that reduce their dangerous nature??

      • Capitalist at Birth.

        I will not now or ever accept you as my nanny. You are hereby terminated from making any rules for me or anybody I know. Good Day.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Again, nc, you are a complete retard! Laws, however many, do not, stop crime. If that were so, there would be no crime. Laws are for the purpose to convict and punish those who violate the law(s). Laws are not, designed to stop crime. Laws are as impotent at stoping/reducing crime, as is the Police-force, impotent, at reducing/stopping crime! More laws, more crime…naturally. More laws, more profits…naturally. More laws, greater control of the sheep for fleecing. SHILL!!!

      • Aileen

        Does anyone consider the massive amounts of unlicensed drivers, those whose licenses have been revoked and those who may be DUI drivers?
        You can bet that those who drive without licenses have no insurance and/or are unregistered. Those who’ve had licenses revoked just don’t give a damn and those with DUIs will usually deny they are impaired and angry they are caught.
        How mant hit and runs do we hear about? Why do we have Uninsured Driver add-on recommended to our insurance policies? (CA does) Those people don’t follow the laws yet they cause and create the rest of us pay more whether by higher premiums, lost lives, disabilities etc.

      • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

        You’ve got it bassackward it’s cars that are so deadly compared to (Firearms). Each year multiple more people are killed by cars misused than are murdered in the U.S.

  • figmo

    I have heard conflicting reports on whether or not the asault rifle was actually used at sandyhook. I heard that it was left in the killer’s car. The msm seems to be deliberately vague about this so I suspect it wasn’t used but the msm would like you to believe that it was. The empty shell casings should reveal the answers. Why isn’t anyone talking about the psychotropioc px meds the killer was on? These meds have proven side effects of violent behavior and suicide. God forbid that big pharma should lose any of its multi-billion dollar profits of these killer drugs ! Apparently they have found that the huge profits far exceed the millions they have had to pay out in lawsuits.

  • Ron r

    Where is it in the 2nd amendment does it say ex fellons can not have fire arms? Jessie James is rolling in his grave. No one wants to take guns from responsible owners. Just those who should not have them.

    • jim robator

      thats what they want you to believe I might not see but future generations will

    • http://personalLibertyDigest Takidez

      Ron R.
      The 2nd applies to citizens of the US. Felons have lost their citizenship.

      • Paul Wells

        Takidez, Correction: Felons have not lost their citizenship, just the right to vote (and that varies, state by state) and the right to own a firearm. That too, may even vary state by state, I’m not sure, but I’d be okay with a federal statute that bans gun ownership for convicted felons.

      • Capitalist at Birth.

        Paul Wells, Who are you to say who has a right to defend themselves from a tyrannical Government, and who does not? If you and those like you who would micro manage all aspects of our lives I think it is time for you and them to leave this country.

      • Hardtoremember

        Tikidez, Felons have NOT lost any sort of citizenship. I have no idea where you got that silly idea from. Felons of non-violent crimes can absolutely own and carry a pistol and/or rifle. They keep their second amendment right the same as any other citizen.

      • Hardtoremember

        Paul Wells… WOW, what a horrible comment. I wonder how long it would be for nearly every citizen to be convicted of a felony. We can already be detained without any charge.. be spied on illegally. As soon as you wake up in the morning I am sure you have broke some sort of “law” and before you go to bed you are a mass law breaker. Please think before you put out the idea that SOME people deserve rights and some don’t.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        As I understand it convicted felons are deprived of certain of the rights of citizenship such as voting and ownership of firearms. There is some variation in the way this is enforced in the different states. Also, in at least some states you can get your rights back under certain circumstances if you go before a judge and he rules in your favor.

      • Paul Wells

        Hardtoremember,
        If you commit (and are convicted of) several felonies before going to bed…then you are an idiot as well as a lawbreaker.

        “Both federal and state laws consider a felon to be disqualified to purchase or possess a firearm. The Gun Control Act of 1968 further defines a prohibited person under Title 18, U.S. Code, Chapter 44. A prohibited person is one who has been convicted or is under indictment for a term exceeding 1 year; is a fugitive from justice; is a user of unlawful and/or addictive controlled substances; is mentally defective; is an illegal alien or has renounced citizenship; has been dishonorably discharged from the U.S. armed services; or individuals who are subject to a court order of restraint.”

        Oh, I suppose you are taking the tact that the big, evil government can trump up felony convictions just to impinge on your rights, which is a valid concern…to some extent. But what jury would convict on flimsy evidence? Have you no faith in our justice system?

        I’m not deciding who can and cannot have a firearm. The federal STATUTES are, and I’m damned fine with that! I don’t want your felonious arse carrying a gun around, because as I see it, you’ve already proven that you are not respectful of the law, or prudent enough to make the sound judgements one must make carrying around a firearm.

        Just to be clear…I TOTALLY support the federal and state statutes that prevent felons from owning/carrying guns! End of story.

    • Ted Crawford

      ” The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we have to take a step at a time and go for limited access first” Jayner Sims
      The phrase, ” Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth” wasn’t a recommendation! It was a WARNING!

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

      Ron r: No one wants to take guns from responsible owners. Just those who should not have them.

      Was the the intention behind “Fast and Furious”, Ron?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Was “that” the intention behind “Fast and Furious”, Ron? (damn you spell-check!)

    • Jonathan

      Just to let you know, Jesse James never robed one bank or train in his entire life.

      • Paul Wells

        But he probably robbed one!

  • http://www.acalculatedresponse.com Michael Murray

    Calling them “false flag” events without hard evidence places you in the realm of what most would call “fringe crazy”. It detracts from the provable truth of the “gun control” stupidity and it is really a separate subject. Otherwise, it is a very good article. I support JPFO, GOA and SAF as the premier gun rights organizations, with the NRA as a poor and far distant fourth.

    • Tom Cook

      Very cute; we all now know how intellectual you are. You probably will swear on Mein Kampf that obama was born in Hawaii.

      • Texas Ride

        How did we get a marxist foreigner controlling our lives….our government has been quietly over-thrown with no resistance from our leaders. There is no Republic or Constitution..

        I have been seeing semi-trucks, coming through our town. They are labeled: Mexico, U. S. and Canada..(.North American Union.) NAU is the fore-runner to One World Government. There will be five “Unions” around the world to prepare people for One World. The plans are out there, you just have to be able to read and do some research.

        Of course the next big step is the disarming of citizens. After that, everyone can forget being free or having any kind of life. This country is to provide the laborers for the world. What a fitting end for a country that has been the envy of the world. Most of the envious world will be very happy to see America’s demise and Americans on bended knees, especially our one greatest enemy. You can decide who is our greatest enemy.

      • tony newbill

        Texas Ride heres a ton of Links in this article that parlay your thinking ….. http://www.activistpost.com/2012/12/council-on-foreign-relations-plan.html

      • Texas Ride

        Tony, you are right. Good information there. One World Government is not about solving problems, it is about controlling the wealth of the world for an elite few!

        America doesn’t need the “world” as we have been told. We have what we need and can have a rich life without anything from despots of the world that rule the UN.

        It is the corporations that want a world economy! They are not happy with the market in this country and want to expand to a global market where they can increase profits to new heights! I am just wondering what they are going to do when no one has money to buy their products! They might just rethink their ideas, instead of lending support to these One Worlders.

        As for taxes, with a tyrannical government, no one will have private property to tax or money to tax. But, that won’t be needed because the World Government will have all the wealth, while people live in cubbyholes provided by government or government camps. If people are good, they might even get a few rations from the government stash! You know, something like the “omaumau stash.”

        As for the National Debt that is a farce! Most of that debt is owed to the Federal Reserve. They print our money for 2-cents a bill and charge us, the tax payers, “full face value!” No wonder the private owners of the Fed Bank are all the wealthiest people in the world. (The word “people” might be a stretch to call these vampires that suck the wealth out of this country and have for a hundred years!)

        Get rid of the Fed, decentralize government out of Washington, the States need to take control of taxing and spending so local taxpayers can benefit from taxes they pay, and let the world straighten itself out. We don’t need to be involved, we can do just fine on our own. The fear is that the rest of the world will see that we can still have good lives and they will storm our borders (our open borders) and take what they want. Why do you think government won’t protect our borders. Abolish the right of the Fed to “tax and spend (steal and plunder.)

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Michael Murray,

      You write: “Calling them “false flag” events without hard evidence places you in the realm of what most would call ‘fringe crazy’.” I have provided evidence in some of the most recent cases that I believe point to false flag events. More evidence is available to you if you choose to seek it. Ignoring it and accepting the state line without question puts you in the realm of what many would call “fringe crazy.”

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Capitalist at Birth.

        I suggest that Jerome R. Chorsi investigate, research, and write a book on this event. It will be a best seller, I am sure. I know I will buy a copy, if books are still being published freely then. Great article, Bob. There are too many discrepancies and changes in the story to believe anything the authorities say about this incident at this point. I will continue to be skeptical about anything any one connected with the Government/Police ever say, as I always have.

      • Andy

        Mr. Livingston,
        I tip my hat to you sir. Most articles written are never really followed up, and defended by the writers of them. You sir are a man of integrity, and your efforts have not gone unnoticed. Thank you for your continued fight for our freedom through the printed word.

        One thing I would like people to understand about the bill of rights, and I hope that you may help me to relay this message, is that, these 10 amendments weren’t written as a granting of rights, but simply rights that are just recognized and enumerated by men, to state that our creator endowed us with these rights. Thus they cannot be taken away by any laws of men.

        My tools of self protection WILL NOT BE TAKEN WITHOUT A FIGHT!!!!!!! From whatever form that fight may take. I took an oath to defend the constitution. I will give my life to defend it. I will continue hold fast to my oath so that future generations may taste the freedom this country is supposed to enjoy.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Andy,

        Thank you, sir.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Robert Smith

        Bob Livingston says: “Ignoring it and accepting the state line without question puts you in the realm of what many would call “fringe crazy.””

        ROFL… The wife of a pilot friend of mine was on a bus in the mixing bowl (highway interchanges around the Pentagon) and watched the AIRPLANE hit. Her husband on site later in the day saw the engines.

        Yet there are those who still insist that it was a missile.

        Want a picture? Check out: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://911review.org/images/pentagon_turbofan_closeup.jpg&imgrefurl=http://911review.org/Wget/www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/wag/wag/911_pentagon_turbine.htm&h=746&w=547&sz=163&tbnid=U2sfRYBbmFpVLM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=81&zoom=1&usg=__vx3dgZM50Hi9HCn9MxLBE9VjUzo=&docid=tpKK2UVuJ6hfjM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bSbiUN2fOJLh0AHwjIHgAQ&ved=0CDQQ9QEwAQ&dur=8452

        Or are you going to claim it was “planted” with hundreds of emergency responders hanging around?

        Let’s see… Eyeballs on vs. conspiracy theory…

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Robert: ROFL… The wife of a pilot friend of mine was on a bus in the mixing bowl (highway interchanges around the Pentagon) and watched the AIRPLANE hit. Her husband on site later in the day saw the engines.

        There is no way for us to confirm your above story to be true, Robert. Anyone can claim; i know such and such a person, i’m a professor, i’m this and i’m that…blah blah, and it seems mostly the “left” that making such claims, so as to lend their arguments credibility. I suggest you offer facts and data that can be verified. As to the rest of your fantasies, keep them to yourself…you’ll garner greater credibility that way!

      • JC

        Robert, Your tale of your wife’s friend…or friend’s wife…or whatever is irrelevant.
        The film constantly shown of the plane hitting the pentagon…has no plane in it.
        I don’t care how many times you watch it, a commercial airliner would be obvious…but there isn’t one.
        We get the same media driven film from the same angle every time. There are hundreds of cameras surrounding the Pentagon so why do we never see anything from a different angle?
        And why did the FBI go around confiscating the surveillance videos from all the hotels and gas stations that might have shown something?

        Again. there’s a cover up going on. And there is NO doubt about it.

  • http://none John

    This isn’t the America I fought for. It’s becoming Nazi occupied Germany. What a disgrace.

  • Marinda Ferrell

    I am sick and tired of the lies floating around in this nation over the government trying to stop Americans from owning guns. We live in country where there are 80 million people and 300 million guns. All those guns means some types of guns was never meant to be in the hands of the general public. Over the last decade to present 214,000 teenager has been shot to death and not all from your average hand gum the majority from military style assault rifles and guns with over 50 clips or more. Yet it has taken the death of 20 angels because babies are angels to be shot to death to grab the conscience of the american people. Guns without common sense and responsibility make killers. Killers don’t care about life period. Yet there are people who don’t care who has a gun as long as its their right to have one. Keep the lies going about the government is trying to take guns away from people. No just to ensure the guns stay out of hands of people who really don’t need to have them. Americans has to pass to exams to usually get a driver’s license: A written exam for a permit to allow one to drive with a license driver present in the car. The second exam a road test to get a driver’s license. Yet there are no check and balances to buy guns. Just lies fed on fear and ignorance that allow the mass killings of babies, teenagers, firemen, and police officers, and other innocent people. This is a great shame on this country because of all the repeatedly mass killings that can be prevented. More guns is not the answer just common sense with responsibility.

    • Rickie

      Another Fienstien supporter!

      • W. T. Brian

        An ignorant Feinstein supporter at that. There is scarcely a single word of truth in that poorly written letter. Lacking any other input, I have to believe this person is a product of our public school system. Perhaps if more time and effort were spent educating our children on the 3 R’s, we wouldn’t be forced to try to read such drivel as this. Unfortunately, this woman knows the ‘anti-2nd amendment’ line, yet she cannot write well enough to express herself any better than a third grade student from my times. And of course, she does not feel any obligation to look up the facts, just being emotional is sufficient. She unwittingly makes a sad commentary on our public schools; or: your tax dollars at work.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Marinda: Over the last decade to present 214,000 teenager has been shot to death and not all from your average hand gum the majority from military style assault rifles and guns with over 50 clips or more.

        What does that have to do with guns? The fact that 214,000 teenagers shot one another to death should point you to the fundamental-issue(s) that plague our society, which is not “Guns”, but rather, a serious, social-disturbance. I suppose the 214,000 teenagers could have used other implements to achieve their goals, rather then guns, to the relief of most…?, yet still, and to present, the fundamental-problem(s)/issue(s) are ignored! Your fixation that guns are the cause of are ills and woes, thus divesting responsibility from the one using it, is liken to suggesting that the “penis” was the cause for the rape, and not the rapist/person…RIDICULOUS!!!

      • http://yahoo gail

        Mirinda should be more concered about farm bills cost of food and the 15 million children that are starving in this country. Obamas not concered about your food supply my son is a farmer and I know how concered THE BIG UNCLE is.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        WTS/JAY joins Bob L and picks on Marinda, who is obviously confused—–214.000 gun deaths in a decade works out to over 21,000 per year, and that’s only among teenagers. The last figures I looked at showed something like 30,000+ gun deaths a year with nearly 2/3 of them suicides. I seem to remember reading that child and teen gun deaths of all kinds (homicide, suicide, accidental) are just under 3,000 per year, or less than 10% of the total gun deaths.

        Some statistics of interest: “Homicide and suicide are the second and third leading causes of death, respectively, among teens ages 15 to 19, after unintentional injury. In 2010, firearms were the instrument of death in 85 percent of teen homicides and 40+ percent of teen suicides. While non-firearm injuries result in death in only one out of every 760 cases, almost one in four youth firearm injuries is fatal”.

        “Although other teens are the perpetrators of many of the homicides of teens below age 18, two-thirds of the murderers are eighteen or older. Gang involvement has been associated with many teen murders; in 2002, nearly three-quarters of teen homicides were attributed to gang violence. Although school-related homicides receive substantial media attention, in the 2009-10 school year they accounted for about one percent of all child homicides”.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: The focus, or the point in Miranda’s comment, and i’m sure Miranda will agree, was not statics, but rather, the vilification of a inanimate-object, and the presence/possession of the object as the cause for the killings rather then the individual(s), and the ridiculous notion that by eliminating said object, the killings will stop, or could have been averted! I simply addressed her naivety. Speaking of confused, RBT, the statistical break-down you provided has been previously addressed. Thanks just the same for your effort!

      • Robert Smith

        Oh sheesh, another stomp on hard working teachers: “Perhaps if more time and effort were spent educating our children on the 3 R’s, we wouldn’t be forced to try to read such drivel as this.”

        Maybe if teachers didn’t have to fight off the extreme right (as occurred in Dover, PA) so they can teach facts instead of religion there would be more interest from the students.

        Rob

    • Nobody’s Fool

      Enjoy your little fantasy world. The government indeed wants to grab all guns from law abiding citizens so as to CONTROL them easier. You think “laws” would have stopped Adam Lanza? Honey, Connecticut is running over with gun control laws that did not stop him. It is a true saying that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. But you go ahead, enjoy your little fantasy where the government is Good and wants to protect you. oBlamer is determined to destroy this country, one right at a time.

      • nc

        Nobody’s Fool! Obama has already destroyed this country! You and the OTHER like minded zombies here PROMISED US from the day he took office that there would be NO presidential elections in 2012, that he would be a dictator by now, that the economy would be in total collapse and that he was so weak on defense that we would be taken over by invaders and terrorist by now!! REMEMBER??

        How utterly miserable it must be see everything you have allowed yourself to believe in just die on the vine!! The “conspiracies” from a century ago to the present that never happened! The red flags that have never been proved! The FEMA camps filled with political prisoners. The government at your door demanding your legal weapons and notifying you that the Bill of Rights has been suspended! That only Muslim holidays will be observed!
        There is no limit to what a sick uninformed mind can see as a threat! Even shadows on the wall.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        nc: There is no limit to what a sick uninformed mind can see as a threat! Even shadows on the wall.

        Conversely, there are no limits to what a “SHILL” will say and do for his pay, including committing intellectual and spiritual suicide!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Marinda Ferrell,

      You write: “I am sick and tired of the lies floating around in this nation over the government trying to stop Americans from owning guns.” Please cite one lie.

      You write: “We live in country where there are 80 million people and 300 million guns.” Either recheck the U.S. population figures or restate your premise to say what you mean.

      You write: “Over the last decade to present 214,000 teenager has been shot to death and not all from your average hand gum the majority from military style assault rifles and guns with over 50 clips or more.” Please provide proof of this assertion. FBI statistics I linked to in the article tell a different story. What are “over 50 clips or more?”

      You write: “Guns without common sense and responsibility make killers.” Guns are inanimate objects and are therefore unable to have “common sense and responsibility.” Criminal intent makes criminals use guns in criminal acts.

      You write: “Killers don’t care about life period.” The first true statement you have made. They don’t care about laws either.

      You write: “Americans has to pass to exams to usually get a driver’s license: A written exam for a permit to allow one to drive with a license driver present in the car. The second exam a road test to get a driver’s license. Yet there are no check and balances to buy guns.” This is a non sequitur.

      You write: “Just lies fed on fear and ignorance that allow the mass killings of babies, teenagers, firemen, and police officers, and other innocent people.” Please explain and/or provide examples of “lies fed on fear and ignorance that allow the mass killings…”

      You write: “This is a great shame on this country because of all the repeatedly mass killings that can be prevented.” Please explain in detail your plan that will ensure “mass killings” are “prevented” that without infringing on the very clear intent of the 2nd Amendment.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Bob, you should be ashamed of himself for picking on Marinda Ferrell, who has some strong feelings about guns but doesn’t quite have all her ducks lined up in a row. Lord love a duck, Bob, do you pick on “cripples”, children, and old people as well as slightly confused women?

        And it borders on hilarious that you would mention “non sequitur” in relation to Marinda’s talking about obtaining driver’s licenses—-her point was clear even if her logic was not. Of course she is a “Liberal” so she is fair game.

        Knock our socks off, Bob, by showing some “fairness and balance” in your commentary and pointing out the uncounted “non sequiturs” that folks like DaveH and other self-deluded “righties” throw around on this site like Scrooge McDuck throws his money around in his vaults. Some of them have NS branded on their foreheads and you NEVER seem to notice—why is that?

        Bob writes, “ Please explain in detail your plan that will ensure “mass killings” are “prevented” that without infringing on the very clear intent of the 2nd Amendment”
        Uh, Bob, perhaps you don’t want to accept it, but the “very clear intent” of the Second Amendment is not as “clear” as you would like us to believe.

        One final observation. Bob says to Marinda, “You write: ‘I am sick and tired of the lies floating around in this nation over the government trying to stop Americans from owning guns.’ Please cite one lie”. I’ve already taken up enough space on the thread this AM, so I won’t say more than to point out one thing—-Obama’s first term where nothing of importance was passed or even attempted on gun control, yet the paranoid were screaming that “he’s coming to get your guns”. I think particularly of early in his term when he was being crucified over implementing regulations that had been passed during the Bush administration.

        Before you come back at me, Bob, please remember that I am a retired school administrator who thinks someone in every school should be armed. I fired expert more than once with my M-1 over 50 years ago in the USMC, and I enjoyed my most recent visit to the range, where I sent many rounds downrange from a .30-06 Model 70, an AR-15, and a Marlin lever-action chambered for the .357. I have the same problem that a lot of other old farts have, though—-I see two targets when I shoot over the iron sights of the Model 70—-my old fart buddies tell me “just shoot in between them”—-seems to work.

      • CZ52

        “And it borders on hilarious that you would mention “non sequitur” in relation to Marinda’s talking about obtaining driver’s licenses—-her point was clear even if her logic was not. Of course she is a “Liberal” so she is fair game.”

        I have yet to find anywhere in the Constitution where we are guarenteed the right to drive an autoimobile or ANY other kind of triansportation. We are guarenteed the right to own and use firearms as part of the militia, for self defence, and to procure food as well as other uses of a firearm.

      • GALT

        Since I will assume it is not a “quick kill” exercise, you could just try closing one eye,
        as depth perception is not a factor?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        RBT: Bob, you should be ashamed of himself for picking on Marinda Ferrell, who has some strong feelings about guns but doesn’t quite have all her ducks lined up in a row. Lord love a duck, Bob, do you pick on “cripples”, children, and old people as well as slightly confused women?

        RBT, it is you, who should be ashamed. Mr. Livingston’s responses to Miranda’s comments were with tact and respect. However, your comments addressed to Mr. Livingston comprised of bile and intellectual dishonesty. I’m rather disappointed, RTB. I expected better from you!

      • DaveH

        Lizard Brain says — “And it borders on hilarious that you would mention “non sequitur” in relation to Marinda’s talking about obtaining driver’s licenses—-her point was clear even if her logic was not. Of course she is a “Liberal” so she is fair game”.
        Duh, Non Sequitur — “a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said”.

      • DaveH

        Lizard Brain says — “Knock our socks off, Bob, by showing some “fairness and balance” in your commentary and pointing out the uncounted “non sequiturs” that folks like DaveH and other self-deluded “righties” throw around on this site like Scrooge McDuck throws his money around in his vaults”.
        Be our guests, LB. Point out the “non sequiturs” in my comments anytime you like. I realize it’s much easier for you to make personal attacks and state conjecture, LB. But think hard, maybe even that Lizard Brain of yours can come up with something.

      • DaveH

        Lizard Brain says — “Before you come back at me, Bob, please remember that I am a retired school administrator”.
        That explains why our children don’t know much more than how to tie their shoelaces.

      • JC

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        December 31, 2012 at 9:04 am
        Bob, you should be ashamed of himself for picking on Marinda Ferrell, who has some strong feelings about guns but doesn’t quite have all her ducks lined up in a row. Lord love a duck, Bob, do you pick on “cripples”, children, and old people as well as slightly confused women?
        __________________________________________________________________

        Well it seems you’ve nailed the problem RBT.
        You socialist parasites seem to “feel” that responsible Americans are somehow obligated to enter into a debate on whether or not to give up any or all of our Constitutionally guaranteed, natural rights.
        This just in…You’re “feelings” are irrelevant. Grow up!

        Our nation has something called a Second Amendment that allows us to defend our Republic from enemies foreign and domestic.

        You and Feinstein fall into the “domestic enemy” category.

        How do you “feel” about That? (Don’t bother…I really don’t care how you feel)

      • DaveH

        Lizard Brain says — “Bob, you should be ashamed of himself for picking on Marinda Ferrell, who has some strong feelings about guns but doesn’t quite have all her ducks lined up in a row”.

        With friends like you, LB, who needs enemies?

    • Steve E

      Definitely doesn’t understand the 2nd Amendment. Must have gone to a public school.

      • nc

        Steve E., are you talking about those US public schools that played such a big part in putting that thing on Mars that communicates with us on a flashlight battery? Those space crafts that are about to leave our universe??Those missiles and planes that the enemy can’t see? Medical procedures that once were science fiction! Those public schools that you doubt can educate one about the 2nd amendment! They only need to teach the students that no one person like you gets to decide for others what it really means! Right???

      • Steve E

        nc The 2nd Amendment states what it means. No one has to decide what it means. It means what it says.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Steve E, liberals can’t understand the concept that something MEANS what it says! They think that everything is open to interpretation, THEIRS!!! They think that THEY can decide what is right and how things should be. The Second Ammendment is crystal clear! It means what it says!!! “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, the RIGHT of the people to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, shall NOT be infringed”!!! Any and all forms of gun control infringes upon our rights!!! How are we to defend ourselves from a government out of control if they have “assault” rifles and we are only allowed pop guns?!?

    • Texas Ride

      Wise-up sweetcakes (moron!) The criminals and nuts will always have guns! It is the law-abiding citizens that are under threat. So far the criminals haven’t been too good at registering their firearms and getting background checks.

      Why do you want to keep good people from being able to defend themselves!! Sounds to me like the government is afraid of its citizens.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        What?!? Are you saying that criminals won’t obey the laws?!? Really?!? This is what kills me about these stupid liberals!!! They think more laws will protect little children!!! Yeah, right!!! Grow up! Killers are here to stay unless we stop them! Of course, that will be difficult to do if law abiding citizens are disarmed!!!

    • Rickie

      Marinda…

      Hun.. why don’t you call Diane and maybe you two can have a Tea sipping party somewhere…..it seems Darwin was right!

    • Aileen

      Yes, killers do kill. They are going to kill with or without gun laws, licenses, restrictions, or bans. The entire point of this discusssion is that we have a Constitution that gives us the right to bear arms.

      NO ONE will be able to protect every individual from crazed killers. No one will be able to save accidental or intentional deaths from shootings. No one will be able to stop a felon from obtaining a fire arm.

      The idea that our government wants to take away our freedoms and impose mandates of all kinds on those who are law abiding is insane since the “killers” will always find a way to do harm if that is their intent. Rules or no rules. Just think of the other ways people are killed everyday. Car accidents, drownings, drug overdoses, beatings, stabbings, etc. These may or may not be intentional but they do happen EVERY DAY. Where is the outrage here? Guns are not the only killers’ weapon. Shall we give up our Constitutional FREEDOMS to make us even more vulnerable?

      I think not. I DO want the right to have one if I want one. I too live in So. California and there are places I do not go, but that doesn’t mean a gun toting criminal can’t find a victim anywhere.

    • Capitalist at Birth.

      Driving is not a right prescribed in the constitution. Fire arm ownership and use are rights prescribed in the constitution. If you read any of the writings by the founding fathers and the creators of the constitution, you will find that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment was for the citizen to be able to protect themselves from a tyrannical Government. Of course, judging from your numerous misspellings and grammatical errors your ability to read and comprehend are in grave doubt.

    • http://disqus C Campo

      Marinda: I see the compassion but you have never seen a Country where people have to crawl rather than walk with dignity. While your heart may be pure, rest assured the freedom to express those thoughts came from brave men and women who were willing to give ALL so you might utter your innermost thoughts. Many of the good people who DARED post a comment here go to work, live decent lives and have felt the lash of tryanny in one form or another. When the government signs a treaty with all people who possess a weapon, saying they will return fire with single shot weapons, like they want to confiscate from WE THE PEOPLE, the populace will sleep easier. Storm clouds are gathering and you do not see what is about to happen. We PRAY our government does not want to do the unthinkable, but if that is the path they take, rest assured we will remember the founding fathers and all who gave so much so you could post your remarks.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Marinda, you write like 3rd grader.

  • Bill

    You know Feinstein dont have nothing to worry about she has protection 24/7…Do you really think she cares about ANY OF US??? We==all GOOD people HAVE the right to be able to protect our famlies and our selves! I have a license to carry a concealed handgun fingerprinted and had a FBI back ground ck.What more do they want????…GOD BLESS THE NRA!

    • nc

      Bill, you say “Feinstein don’t have nothing to worry about! She has protection 24/7! She don’t care about us!”
      Do you think she has more protection than Gabby Giffords had? Robert and John Kennedy had? Ronald Reagan had? How do you know who she cares about? The truth is you don’t know! You just believe you know! There is a difference!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        You missed Bill’s point entirely, nc, as usual! Bill’s point and paraphrasing; “rather hypocritical of the old hag to have tax-payers pay for her security which requires people ARMED WITH GUNS, while depriving the rest of the population of the same”!!! Pay attention!

      • hipshotpercusion

        Diane Frankenstein has a rare California concealed carry license. This makes it a massive hypocrite, in my eyes.

      • JUKEBOX

        nc, Feinstein has carried a weapon to defend herself with in the past, which Gifford, Reagan, or none of those others had. When George Wallace got shot, AL trooper E.C. Dothard took the first two bullets from Bremer, which has rarely happened to any other politician’s bodyguard.

      • Robert Smith

        nc declares: “Do you think she has more protection than Gabby Giffords had? Robert and John Kennedy had? Ronald Reagan had? How do you know who she cares about? The truth is you don’t know! You just believe you know! There is a difference!”

        And if any of them had been carrying a firearm (and we don’t know they weren’t) what good did it do them?

        We need to deal with nuts BEFORE they attack. We need better mental health services in America.

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Robert: And if any of them had been carrying a firearm (and we don’t know they weren’t) what good did it do them?

        Were there not armed Police officers and an armed security-detail ( and we know that they were carrying firearms), Robert? What good did that do for Gifford? Just another example why citizens should be armed and trained in the use of firearms. Perhaps Gifford should have been armed, given the complete uselessness of an armed police-force and security-detail!

        Yeah, let’s disarm the citizens, the Police will protect us!

        Just like they protected Gifford? t

        The children and adults at “Sandy Hook”?

        Like the people in the “Aurora Theatre”?

        Like they protected13 people who were killed and 30 wounded in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood base in Texas?

        Like they protected an immigrant community center in Binghamton, N.Y., where 11 immigrants were killed including two workers?

        Like they protected five students who were shot dead and 18 others wounded in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb?

        Like they protected 8 people killed and 5 critically-wounded in Omaha, Neb., at a Von Maur store in the Westroads Mall?

        Like the protected 32 people who were fatally-shot in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg?

        Like they protected the five people who were killed and 4 others wounded at the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City, Utah?

        Like they protected the 5 girls shot to death shot to death at West Nickel Mines Amish School in Pennsylvania?

        Like they protected the 9 people killed including five students and a security guard at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minnesota?

        Like they protected the nine people killed two Atlanta, Georgia, brokerage offices?

        Like they protected 12 students and a teacher killed and 26 wounded at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado?

        Like they protected four girls and a teacher who were killed at a Jonesboro, Arkansas, middle school?

        Like they protected 22 people killed and 20 wounded at Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas?

        I could go on all night citing instances where Police were USELESS and not PRESENT in protecting citizens in “zones”, that by law, were “gun-free-zones”! Yeah, the Police will protect us, let’s just relinquish our guns, hey Robert? You dreamer you!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WTS/JAY, here’s one nobody talks about! Two years ago at Millard South High School in Omaha, Ne (my daughter’s school, thank GOD she wasn’t there that day). The son of an Omaha police officer took his father’s service revolver to school and shot the principal and vice principal. The vice principal died! The armed Omaha police officer (not the father) paid by the district to protect was hiding under a desk in one of the back offices!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Nancy, thank God your little girl is safe! Personally, i think public-schools are the most dangerous of places for children. I pulled my Son out of the public-education system over 2 years ago. When he did attend, he was most miserable. Since we pulled him out, going on three years now, the transformation has been remarkable. He is the happiest i have ever seen him be. His thoughts and opinions are original. Our conversations we have, i consider a delight. I no longer need to de-program him as i use to every day after his day at the “Auschwitz concentration camp”. Best decision my Wife and i ever made!

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Nancy, here are a few details about that shooting: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/05/millard-south-high-school-shooting_n_804875.html

        Kid new in a high school, unhappy, acts out, steals a gun, etc.

        How might it have turned out if earlier in the day the kid had gotten some counselling instead of a suspension?

        Rob

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Robert Smith, I don’t need you to fill me in on the details!!! As I said, this was my daughter’s school!!! And since you THINK you know more than I do, the boy had been living in Lincoln with his mother. He got into legal problems there. Because his father was a police officer, they just sent the boy to Omaha to live with his father. The boy then immediately got into trouble in Omaha. He drove his car all over the high school football field and track. He did a lot of damage. Instead of filing charges against him, they expelled him. If they had prosecuted him, he would have been in jail instead of taking his father’s service revolver and killing the vice principal. If the father, a police officer had locked up his service weapon a woman would be alive today! NO type of gun ban would have prevented this!!! Unless they want to ban police from having guns!!! And there is NO way that you would know more about this than I would! We lived it! We went to the memorials! We participated in fund raisers! We went to the prayer services! My daughter was affected by this but NEVER did anyone say that guns should be banned!!! Evil people kill others!!! Law abiding citizens shouldn’t have to pay the price!!!

      • http://rockdog1113dothushmaildotcom.wordpress.com rocquedog

        Maybe Robrt.should sit down quietly for awhile???

  • http://personalliberydigest big wyo

    Feinstein’s bill requires registration on every firearm in America.
    Fingerprinting and background check for every gun.
    Permission from local law enforcement.
    Massive new extension of the ATF.
    New taxes (from the 53% that pay taxes) to pay for it.
    Ain’t Attila the Feinstein Sweet?

    • James Andrews

      She’s a fascist, and a serios leftist. The only thing this bill would do(hopefully, it will not pass), is to push even MORE guns into the black market, plain and simple. They would be defeating their own purpose!

      • tony newbill

        They all have become fascists with some emerging as Marxists all because of this …. This is what History repeating itself is all about , because every time we have had major conflicts and oppression in the world in the past it always revolved around supply shortages for that times size of population ….. pay attention to what they say in the youtube video at frame 1:45 ,
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tF2yHjfj32I

      • JUKEBOX

        I wonder if Feinstein turned in her weapon she carried while she had her permit in San Francisco. I bet it is still in one of her houses in CA or DC. Can you say duplicitous hypocrite?

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I remember my father telling me when I was in my early teens that gun registry was a huge mistake. He thought that if our country were ever invaded by a foreign country, all they would need to do is get their hands on the registry and they would be able to go door to door and disarm us. I’m glad that he’s not alive to see the day when it would be our OWN government that we would have to worry about disarming us!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Expressed to the masses in “Red Dawn” (original): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mWKqhLzJQo

        Rob

      • anonymous

        This is why we must as a collective unit stop this now! Quit sitting back and letting these things happen, call your congress, make your voice be heard….

    • MontanaGrandmom

      Once all firearms are registered and their owners’ identity is on ‘the list’, just what is the next logical step for an all-controlling government? Round ‘em up, boys!

      • JC

        And perhaps they will do what was done in NAZI Germany….kill the gun owners.
        After all…they might have hidden some guns….

  • Bruce

    One staff person legally liscensed and trained would have stopped that deranged child in his tracks. For that fact one armed citized could have. Gun free zones are open invitations for mentally unstable people t take target practice on an un-armed populace.

  • Philip

    Pray for Obama and Cuomo and others in authority so that we may avoid a shoot out .

    • Don C.

      You’re right Philip! I pray Psalm 109 verse 8 everyday. “May his days be few;
      may another take his place of leadership.”

      • JUKEBOX

        Our present day leaders would not have survived over a month in Biblical days.

      • tony newbill

        isn’t it ironic that 1 month to the day after the end of the world was to be in Mayan prophecies that the US inauguration takes place ?????

      • Robert Smith

        Isn’t interesting that both the christian Camping’s and the Mayian’s predictions were both WRONG.

        BTW, I hope that your version of god… Some guy named Jesus I think, never comes back. I don’t want to see the world destroyed again. It’s actually a pretty nice place for many of us. And, if there weren’t so many greedy people it would be a lot nicer for a lot more.

        Rob

      • Buster the Anatolian

        RS the Mayan predictions were NEVER wrong for they do not exist. what the Mayans said was the long count calender ended on 12-21-2012 on our calender. That represents the end of one age and the beginning of another like today signifies the end of one year and the start of another.

      • Robert Smith

        Buster, you are correct.

        But Camping and his christian followers are still wrong.

        Rob

    • Capitalist at Birth.

      A shoot out is inevitable. Read history and you will find similar patterns in Hitler’s, Stalin’s, Mao’s, Castro’s and now Obama’s performances.

      • Robert Smith

        It was guns that put Castro in power, but they haven’t been able to get him out after 50 years of trying.

        Castro could have been a friend of America. But the powers that be at that time just weren’t willing to accept that anything but THEIR way was good for “people.”

        Well, Cuba has health care ranked very close to America, and the rest of the industrialized world has already advanced to universal health care.

        Rob

  • Lawrence

    They want to take from us what they can use against us. Think about it….

    • nc

      Lawrence, I have thought about it and I have seen so little evidence that the government wants all of my weapons, my neighbor’s weapons or YOUR weapons that I have decided that either you live in a totally different part of the country where guns are being confiscated or you are hopelessly paranoid! Our President has said that they do not want the weapons you have but that we need to take a look at the necessity of having the types of guns that have killed so many of our citizens! Just part of his oath to protect us!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        nc: Lawrence, I have thought about it and I have seen so little evidence that the government wants all of my weapons…

        Rather than thinking about it, you should perhaps study the evidence?

        nc: Our President has said that they do not want the weapons you have but that we need to take a look at the necessity of having the types of guns that have killed so many of our citizens!

        The number of people killed by guns is negligible, insignificant, when compared to the number of people who die at the hands of big-Pharma, abortion, alcohol, tobacco, suicides, war…compared to all those causes of death, the number of deaths caused by guns each year is but a blip on the radar; barely observable. So stop your childish-nonsense, nc. Most here are aware that you a shill…

        nc: Just part of his oath to protect us!

        Protect us from what? A better question; who will protect us from Obama, and his Nazi-Ghouls???

      • Capitalist at Birth.

        Obama, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Castro. What do all of these totalitarians in common. Firs they took over health care, then they took the guns. Obama desires to do it, he just hasn’t accomplished it, yet. We are all afraid he will. If that is paranoid, so be it. Evidently you have failed to enlighten yourself about Obama and his upbringing and true beliefs. I am sorry for you. You are either a dupe or a Comrade. Which is it. Either way you will not be a winner when it is all said and done.

      • tony newbill

        The leaders you asked what they all had in common …. they ALL thinned out their Overpopulation problems with genocide ……..

      • DaveH

        So then, NC, you think those weapons should also be banned from Government possession?
        Wasn’t Nidal Malik Hasan a member of Government?
        Where is the cry from you Liberal Progressives to disarm the Government, NC?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        nc, you say that the president just thinks we need to look at the “necessity” of owning guns like this. The president and his government ARE the necessity for owning guns like this! The Second Ammendment was not included in the bill of rights so that we could go hunting or target shooting! The Second Ammendment was written to GUARANTEE the freedoms our constitution gave us! The Second Ammendment was written to PROTECT us from a government out of control! It gave us the right to defend ourselves from tyranny!!! It was written for EXACTLY a day such as this, a president such as this and a government such as this!!! Our founding fathers were thinking of US!!! They were protecting US!!! It makes NO difference what the reason is for banning ANY guns!!! They have NO right to do it, for ANY reason, EVER!!! For many years, we haven’t been paying attention! Well, if we don’t wake up FAST and say NO, we will lose EVERYTHING!!! This is a CODE RED, URGENT situation!!! There can be NO excuse to allow this!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Alex Jones at “Infowars” has started a petition that would make the white house and all federal buildings “gun free zones”! I’m all for it!!! If they think that making someplace a “gun free zone” protects people, then it should protect them, right?!? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!!! ANY and ALL laws they pass against us should apply to THEM too!!! No more armed body guards for them!!! Enforce the laws on them too! Don’t forget!!! They work for US!!! I know they don’t think so but it is a truth that needs to be enforced!!! Don’t let them forget, they work for US!!!

      • hipshotpercusion

        It is not the duty of the government to protect us. It is the duty of the government to protect and defend our rights. that includes all our rights. Please read the bill of rights and especially the 9th and 10th.

      • momo

        And what part “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand? We need to protect the constitution, right, nc.

      • JUKEBOX

        nc, look how well gun control has worked in Chicago and D.C., Obama’s two favorite places.

        c

      • JC

        There’s nc again with hi “hopelessly paranoid” mantra.

        Hey blind guy…are you completely unable to see the trend towards Global Government?
        Have you missed the way the Government uses our Constitution as a door mat?
        Didn’t notice all the laws being put in place that relegate the Bill of Rights to the level of toilet paper?
        All they need to do now is disarm us…one little law at a time….

        It’s called observation and critical thinking. Two things you’re entirely incapable of.

      • charlie

        Good Grief! Nc says this government is here to help us.
        I won’t write a book, BUT, this government also said Obamacare was going to reduce medical costs. Hahahahahahahaha! We have a believer! Hahahahahaha!

      • Robert Smith

        “BUT, this government also said Obamacare was going to reduce medical costs.”

        Well…. Let’s start with the Bush rule of no bidding, simply pay the price. Canada has proven that to be wrong so folks can get prescriptions much cheaper up there. England is similar.

        Why shouldn’t the American government go for the best price for prescriptions?

        Savings… And there are many many more.

        Rob

  • Ann

    There are more murders committed by abortionists in this country then guns or knives or accidents, if you want to ban something ban abortions, I don’t want to hear one word from you pro abortionists about your rights that say.. ( A fetus isn’t viable) I offer this to you.. It takes a live sperm to fertilize an a live egg and 9 days after conception a heart is begining form. It has all the DNA of it’s parents at the first division of the first cell. It is murder. Ban Guns? In the not to distant past our Schools Taught Firearm safety to students who joined the Drill Team, we had Archery and Fencing too. WE competed across the country with different states. How fast we forget our past our schools were much safer back them and violence was almost unheard of. DON’T TREAD ON MY RIGHTS..We must learn from our past and why we have these Amendments and why our schools taught these defences to students.

    • nc

      Ann, what part of pro choice do you not understand? No one favors abortion for the sake of killing some one! What we favor is a situation where the government does not take away the right of a living THINKING citizen to control their own body over some one else trying to control it over a hand full of cells that don’t know they exist! Cells that don’t have other children to care for! Cells that have yet to know the anguish of any decision! Cells at a stage that the Constitution does not protect! See Roe V Wade !
      We must protect our Constitution!! Right??

      • Nobody’s Fool

        And what choice does the baby get?? Pro “choice” only means pro death, for the convenience of the “mother” or carrier, I should say. Every fourth baby dies from “Choice”.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        nc: Ann, what part of pro choice do you not understand? No one favors abortion for the sake of killing some one!

        But that is precisely what is accomplished via the abortion-proccedure; the killing of someone!

        nc: What we favor is a situation where the government does not take away the right of a living THINKING citizen to control their own body over some one else trying to control it over a hand full of cells that don’t know they exist!

        Percentage of abortions performed at each stage of pregnancy:

        Less than 9 weeks 61.8% yearly= 749,232

        9-10 weeks 17.1% yearly= 207,312

        11-12 weeks 9.1% yearly= 110,324

        13-15 weeks 6.6% yearly= 80,015

        16-20 weeks 3.8% yearly= 46,069

        21+ weeks 1.5% yearly= 18,185

        At 9 weeks, the new resident is nearly an inch long — about the size of a grape — and weighs just a fraction of an ounce. She’s starting to look more and more human. Her essential body parts are accounted for, though they’ll go through plenty of fine-tuning in the coming months. Other changes abound: Your baby’s heart finishes dividing into four chambers, and the valves start to form — as do her tiny teeth.

        The embryonic “tail” is completely gone. Your baby’s organs, muscles, and nerves are kicking into gear. The external sex organs are there but won’t be distinguishable as male or female for another few weeks. Her eyes are fully formed, but her eyelids are fused shut and won’t open until 27 weeks. She has tiny earlobes, and her mouth, nose, and nostrils are more distinct. The placenta is developed enough now to take over most of the critical job of producing hormones. Now that your baby’s basic physiology is in place, she’s poised for rapid weight gain.

        Sounds more then a hand-full of cells to me, nc.

        nc: Cells that don’t have other children to care for! Cells that have yet to know the anguish of any decision! Cells at a stage that the Constitution does not protect! See Roe V Wade !
        We must protect our Constitution!! Right??

        Nowhere in the Constitution are you granted the right to commit murder, nc! You are clearly confused, or perhaps, clinically-insane!

      • Ted Crawford

        By what standard of judgement is it considered, more morally justified to Legally Protect an Eagles egg, than a Human Fetus?! This Startling Hypocrisy boggles the mind!
        Before you jump on your rant against Religion, you should know that I’m a Deist and hold NO belief in the Judeo Christian God!
        My conserns are based on common sense morals only!

      • American Girl

        nc says: What we favor is a situation where the government does not take away the right of a living THINKING citizen to control their own body over some one else trying to control it over a hand full of cells that don’t know they exist!

        I agree… everyone has the right to control their own body. What we do NOT have is a right to someone else’s body… meaning the helpless baby in the womb. The unborn child is NOT another part of the mother’s body… he/she is simply a resident there.

      • Joe

        IF, you BELIEVE in GOD, i woul love to hear you explain this to him.

      • czman75

        Too bad your “carrier” did not exercise choice. You and people like you, are the problem and not the solution! No where in the Constitution is it given, permission to abort, slay, kill babies! the embryo is a living entity from conception and yes, the baby has rights. You don’t want to have a baby? don’t get pregnant! (and don’t expect me to pay for birth control, either!) Perhaps you should just get sterilized so you won’t have to kill a baby!

      • Capitalist at Birth.

        You are an ignorant immoral fool. What is it that, you don’t understand about taking a life, even if it is in your own body, it is still immoral. You evidently do not believe in the God of the Bible, nor choose to follow Jesus path. May God have mercy on your soul.

      • DaveH

        So let me get this straight, NC. You want Pro-Choice for mothers to kill their unborn children, but you don’t want Pro-Choice for the mothers who want to send their kids to schools where the administrators and teachers are allowed to carry Protection for them and their children?

        What kind of twisted, inconsistent logic is that? Oh yeah — Liberal Progressive logic (or lack of).

      • DaveH

        NC says — “We must protect our Constitution!! Right??”.
        Where in the Constitution, NC, does it say anything at all about abortions, and the Federal right to control them?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        nc says: what part of choice do you not understand?

        I ask YOU the SAME question! What part of choice do YOU not understand?!? A woman’s choice (AND a man’s) takes place BEFORE conception occurs!!! It is a CHOICE whether or not to have unprotected sex! It is also a CHOICE (except in cases of rape) whether or not to have sex!!! THAT is where CHOICE comes into play!!! Babies are NOT disposable!!! If you or anyone you’re close to had ever had a miscarriage or premature delivery, you would KNOW that these are BABIES, NOT a collection of cells!!! My son and his wife delivered triplets at under 20 weeks. They were perfectly formed, beautiful, human BABIES!!! NO ONE could look at these BABIES and call them a collection of cells!!! Killing is killing!!! Murder is murder!!! Killing babies is murder!!! If you have unprotected sex that results in pregnancy, you made your choice!!! Now, man up and deal with it!!! People have become so self centered and irresponsible that they think that they can do whatever they want without consequence!!! THIS is what is destroying our nation! Murder is NOT a choice!!!

      • Garry

        If it were about controlling your body, that should begin with the decision to have sex. You are controlling the outcome of your lack of control with an abortion.

      • Hedgehog

        Then why did you permit passage of the NDAA? You should have taken up arms in revolt and executed every legislator who voted for that act! Just as we should have revolted here in Canada when our government invoked the War Measures Act at the time of the FLQ crisis. But we didn’t and we still don’t know how many people were arrested, imprisoned or executed under that act! Learn from our mistakes!

      • Robert Smith

        Gary says: “If it were about controlling your body, that should begin with the decision to have sex. ”

        Well… Actually sex isn’t always involved. Just ask the virgin Marry or the guy who married her, Joe.

        Maybe it’s god control we need when it comes to pregnancy? Remember on October 24, 2012 4:43 PM Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock spouted off that a pregnancy resulting from rape was “a gift from God.”

        Excuse me, I know some folks who are dealing with gift returns this season. Not everyone likes Mourdock’s god’s “gifts.”

        Rob

      • Garry

        Way to deflect Robert. I’m sure you don’t believe the story of the Bible, but that’s ok with me. It’s your salvation, not mine. So, 99.99999999999% of life beings through sexual procreation.
        As to Mourdock, again you deflect and deceive. You spout the liberal MSM talking point rather than what he actually said. His statement: Rape is a horrible thing and no one condones it. Having said that the child in the womb is still a human life and is such a gift from God to be cherished.
        Alynsky would be proud of you, keep up the good work.

      • DaveH

        How do you Liberal Progressives live with yourselves, Robert?
        Your Principles change whenever it suits your purpose.
        Some kids are okay to kill. But others aren’t okay. Of course those of us, who can think, know that really all you hypocrites want is to ban guns so you can more easily accomplish your theft of other peoples’ property.

    • JUKEBOX

      Ann, why don’t you get a law passed to register coat hangers and catheters used to perform abortions. They have killed more humans than any guns ever have.

      • ranger09

        Amazing how we are so strong about protecting an unborn Baby, But we are so quick to send our 17-30 young children in to brutal useless wars to be killed and maimed, But thats the way we are. Heck do i hear you Blaming the Powers to Be because they are the ones to blame, Just amazing how we look at things. In the world if you stopped abortion We would have about 10 million children facing Hunger and starvation, Being born drug addicks, Being born with major brain damage. Are you people going to accept the responsibility for them. Hell No you just talk Crap, See the real world as it is.

      • Joe America

        Ranger, the power elite want the numbers of humans down by 90% and they don’t care how it’s done, just so it’s done.

    • Robert Smith

      Let’s watch Ann slam her religion down our throats again: “There are more murders committed by abortionists in this country then guns or knives or accidents,…”

      Not so Ann, Outside the context of your beliefs abortion is mostly legal in most of America. It was voted that way in several states before Roe v. Wade. The PEOPLE decided it and would have voted it into our lives had not Roe v. Wade come to pass, just like same sex marriage is doing today. Several states have VOTED on it, and I’m pretty sure some case will make it legal in all of America.

      Your idea of DNA being a “human being” has absolutely zero credibility, as an acorn (with all the DNA needed for a tree) isn’t a tree. It’s tough to build much out of acorns. You can’t argue that they are the same.

      Oh, nine days to a “beating heart.” Wow! How long before it has some brain cells to rub together? So, if there is no brain what do you call it? How do you define anything to be “human” without a brain?

      Oh!!!! I get it! An ape with 98% human DNA isn’t a “human being” but a Thalamide baby with corrupted human genes is 100%. Seems to me you have a lot of ‘splaining to do.

      Rob

      • ranger09

        These people have never seen the real world as it is.They have never seen a 2yr old laying on the street starving, with its bones sticking out ETc ETC, And for you people it looks like some of the people in the camps in ww2. Dieing ea day. what would be better. Abortion or a very painful death.Etc. People before you decide on this issue SEE THE REAL WORLD, Then decide. And for you people saying this is Gods Will, Thank again, because if so Hes not doing a very good job.

  • hipshotpercusion

    If these walking bags of putrid excrement manage to get this get this passed, I will be dead soon after. I will not go lightly into the long night of Communist/Socialist slavery. I will die with my smoking hot semi auto rifle in my hands, not on my face with a jackboot on my neck.I am a 3%er!

    • FreedomFighter

      I fear not death, I do fear enslavement for both myself, children and family.

      Live free or die,

      History illustrates with stark brutality, No other choice, slaves just die slower, more painfull deaths.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • JUKEBOX

        After 73 years of relative freedom, I do not wish to live under a Communist dictator.

    • maryp1217

      That sounds like a similar threat made by Nugent if President Obama won reelection. We’re still waiting…….It sounds to me as though you’re one of those people who have to buy their guns through no-background check sales since you clearly exhibit signs of being mentally ill.

      • cawmun cents

        Yes….like all peaceful liberty loving Americans,you can accuse us of being crazy.
        But that wont stop us from defending our freedoms.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • JC

        And you clearly demonstrate that you are a well trained sheep, harping away with your propaganda. Why don’t you move to England or Australia where you can “feel” safe?
        After all, those governments are doing such a wonderful job of protecting their citizens…right? Begone socialist…get away from moral people with your message of slavery.

      • hipshotpercusion

        You know nothing about me. For your information, I hold a concealed weapons license in my State and am a former Federally licensed firearms dealer and manufacturer. I subscribe to the ideals of our founding fathers as written in The Declaration of Independence. I would rather die standing on my feet than live on my knees. And, if that makes me crazy, I’m in better company than you.

      • JUKEBOX

        None of my guns have been through a background check, and one has been in my family for nearly a hundred years, and I have personally had one for over fifty years. Background checks were a figment of deranged liberal minds when I was a young man.

  • Harold Olsen

    At least Feinstein is only (so far) calling on a ban of just so-called assault weapons. Obama has said he wants ALL guns banned. The first thing all despots to is limit free speech and disarm its citizens. Obama is attempting both.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Harold Olsen,

      You write: “At least Feinstein is only (so far) calling on a ban of just so-called assault weapons.” That is patently untrue. Her bill bans handguns and shotguns as well. Read the link I provided.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • FreedomFighter

        To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them.
        – George Mason

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • maryp1217

        How come you didn’t correct her comment claiming that President Obama said he wants to ban ALL guns? He never said any such thing. In fact, he actually expanded gun rights. I also agree with another poster in here. Your implication that those in favor of sensible gun regulations somehow were behind this horrible tragedy is a new low for even you.

      • DaveH

        You are hopelessly clueless, Mary:
        http://gunowners.org/op03242009.htm

      • brand inspector

        All the socialist democrata have blessed the UN mandate of stopping privately owned hand gun, amunition of any type and all rifles. The phrase of assult rifles is another media created name. Guns of any type are either fully auto or not,, all guns that are owned by the public, are one shot at a time with a trigger being squeezed each shoot. If you are a citizen with a fully automatic, you are on the federal NCIC file and our property can be searched at ant time and with out a search warrant. I see the jug eared maddrass educated idoit was sqandering more of our tax payers money, by giving federal dead rearend emplotee got 2% raises, or if a new House member anbout $4000 a year increase Of course a skulb like jugears wastes on average 5 million a trip to play pasture pool.

      • Flashy

        The basics about what Sen. Feinstein is stating will be introduced in January. Oh horrors! If we are fortunate, this will be strengthened. It fails to attack the suppliers and fails to ensure anyone walking public streets with a CWP knows what they are doing and how to handle the weapon and any situation that arises.

        Time to stop the insanity …

        ===============
        Stops the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of more than 100 specifically-named firearms as well as certain semiautomatic rifles, handguns and shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

        Stops the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (magazines, strips and drums) capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.

        Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
        = grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
        = exempting more than 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting and sporting purposes; and
        = exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.

    • Ted Crawford

      ‘Death by a Thopusand Cuts’
      ” The goal is an ultimate ban on all Guns, but we have to take a step at a time and go for limited access first” Jayner Sims

    • JUKEBOX

      Obama is wanting to comply with the wishes of his Communist Chinese masters, who are demanding that all Americans be disarmed.

      • Robert Smith

        And the source for that is…

        Or, did it just come out from under a tin foil hat?

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Maybe the answer is: Tin foil… Depends.

        Seems more accurate in light of the “information.”

        Rob

      • Vicki

        Considering what is now known about tin foil Robert I would think you would stop trying to use the demonetization of the rather smart people that know how to use them as an argument to ridicule people that don’t agree with you.

        http://www.kiplinger.com/slideshow/letters-future-military-technologies/4.html#top

      • Bill

        Robert,
        It was in the newspaper

      • Robert Smith

        Newspaper? Got a citation?

        Sure looks like it was made it up.

        Rob

  • Vicki

    Bob Livingston writes:
    “According to the outline of Feinstein’s bill, it will grandfather in all legally owned weapons, but it will require they be registered and the owner fingerprinted. It will require a $200 per weapon tax be paid. The guns will not be transferable, meaning that upon the death of the owner the guns will become the property of the Federal government. ”

    I can’t help but notice the similarity to another bill. The 1934 NFA requiring the registration of certain firearms and a $200 per weapon tax. A law created in response to a messy mass shooting of the time.

    “1934: National Firearms Act Brings About First Major Gun Control

    The first major effort to eliminate private ownership of firearms came with the National Firearms Act of 1934. A direct response of the rise of gangster violence in general, and the Saint Valentine’s Day massacre in particular, the National Firearms Act sought to circumvent the Second Amendment by controlling firearms through a tax excise ($200 for each gun sale).”
    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Second-Amendment-History.htm

    A law who’s intent was to violate the U.S. Constitution.

    • Vicki

      In another thread I notice that the intent of the Feinstein bill is to add any existing firearm that she doesn’t like to the list of NFA covered firearms.
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/31/the-gun-control-debate-continues/

      • JUKEBOX

        To quote Charlton Heston: “FROM MY COLD DEAD HAND”.

      • JC

        Seems like a good day to hit the firing range…with a Brand new Semi-Auto.
        Get em while they’re hot folks. ;-)

      • JeffH

        JC, I p/u my new semi-auto Benelli M2 American 20ga on thursday and I’ll be shooting it on Saturday morning barring rain. Who knows, maybe I’ll take all my guns out and run some serious lead thru the bores.

        GOD, how I love my guns!(chuckle, chuckle)

      • JC

        I’m looking at a CZ858.
        Good for keeping packs of wolves at bay. ;-)

      • JeffH

        JC, nice. In my opinion superior to the AK’s in the US market.

      • JC

        JeffH,

        They’re priced right too. 700.00 and it comes with detachable bayonet, 4 – 7.62 / 20 rnd mags, a carrying case and bi-pod. Pretty good package all around.
        Let me know how the Benelli works. I have Mossberg 12 ga. semi auto.
        It kicks like a mule so the semi-auto aspect is almost useless in that I can’t keep it on target for two quick shots in a row….but then again 00 buck at close range doesn’t require a lot of aiming. :-)

        Have a great New Year.

    • ranger09

      Heres an answer to some of you out there. When i was in the military and later attached to DOD. We were taught that there is THREE KINDS of people that you can recruit to do all sort of jobs, Even Murder. #1 was an uneducated American that was raised to belive anything his countrys Leaders Told him it was the right thing to do, For the Protection of the People and his Country. And this included what a lot of us would consider Murder. #2 Is the very weak minded person or a person with mental problems that is easy to control. #1 was used a lot until they started asking to many questions about was this Right or Wrong, Then they were no longer Needed. #2 was the type of person you only used once maybe twice, Then they were no longer needed. Today a lot of americans fit into group one. #2 is the most i feared,and with the right drugs they could pull the trigger on themselves. And now about #3 This is a person on death row, This country or other Countries. Some of these people have nothing to lose, but everything to gain, A pardon, Lots of Money,New ID, Even if they died during the attempt they were hired to do, They were also told their Familys would be taked care of. These people in group #3 were always used to commit Assinations, Or murder one in the same. The people do not seem to understand that the Powers to Be care Nothing about people and their Lives, Only their Own. And they are able to carry out their plans with out remorse.

    • Robert Smith

      From Vicki: “The 1934 NFA requiring the registration of certain firearms and a $200 per weapon tax. A law created in response to a messy mass shooting of the time.”

      The problem was with fully automatic Tommy Guns and the BARs in criminal hands during the PROHIBITION of alcohol. It’s amazing how much violence today relates to the PROHIBITION of some recreational drugs today.

      Why not advocate for the decriminalize some recreational drugs? Isn’t the chance a kid may get stoned stealing some from a parent better than a kid getting killed in a crossfire?

      Rob

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “Why not advocate for the decriminalize some recreational drugs? ”

        You late to the party Robert?

  • CZ52

    Very insightful article Mr Livingston. Of course I am sure eddie, Flashy, nc, and others will meet your comments with poor attempts at ridicule and false “facts” that prove nothing in an attempt to discredit you.

    • Robert Smith

      From Mr. Livingston’s article: “Whether the gun grabbers orchestrated the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre”

      Really?

      I can’t come up with a tin foil hat remark that even comes close to expressing how loathsome a comment such as yours is.

      Are you so out of ligitimate arguments and so filled with hate that you feel compelled to come up with such a fiction?

      Rob

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Robert Smith,

        You write: “I can’t come up with a tin foil hat remark that even comes close to expressing how loathsome a comment such as yours is.” This from a man who posts “loathsome” and blasphemous remarks on a daily basis.

        You write: “Are you so out of ligitimate arguments and so filled with hate that you feel compelled to come up with such a fiction?” The fiction is in the story line proffered by the MSM. http://globalpoliticalawakening.blogspot.com/2012/12/sandy-hook-massacre-official-story_21.html

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Robert Smith

        Bob Livingston claims: “This from a man who posts “loathsome” and blasphemous remarks on a daily basis.”

        Really? Are there any that are untrue? How many kids were killed when THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF EARTH was wiped out, except Noah and his family?

        How many kids were in Sodom and Ghmaora?

        Did Lot, or did Lot not have sex with his virgin daughters?

        I’m simply pinting things out without all the chapter and verse numbers, etc. It’s all there for folks to read.

        But for someone to accuse anyone of such a shooting for oganized political gain in America on the basis of the fog of early reporting is simply stretching to make an argument and distract from the real issues that have confronted America because of this horribl incident.

        We need to consider a better mental health care system. Reagan’s dumping them in the streets has failed.

        Rob

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Robert Smith,

        You write: “I’m simply pinting (sic) things out without all the chapter and verse numbers, etc. It’s all there for folks to read.” As is often the case, you are be duplicitous. You know that “p(o)inting things out” is not what I’m referring to.

        You write: “But for someone to accuse anyone of such a shooting for oganized political gain in America on the basis of the fog of early reporting is simply stretching to make an argument and distract from the real issues that have confronted America because of this horribl (sic) incident.” Because the U.S. government has never intentionally killed or make plans to kill their own people, right? http://www.911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html See also Operation Northwoods.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Robert issues the typical dumbass emotional Liberal Progressive argument.
        Those who think Government isn’t capable of killing people at will, to achieve their goals, need to read this:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Percy%20L%20Greaves,%20Jr/Pearl%20Harbor%20The%20Seeds%20and%20Fruits%20of%20Infamy.pdf

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Robert says — “Really? Are there any that are untrue? How many kids were killed when THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF EARTH was wiped out, except Noah and his family?”.

        Can you be any more ridiculous, Robert?

        Another example of the typical Liberal Progressive who wants to run your lives, Folks.

      • Capitalist at Birth.

        You are 100% correct, that we need a better mental health system to eliminate idiots like you from participating in rational discussions, as you have proven time an time again that you are not rational. Actually, it would be better to provide concerned Americans with vouchers to enable them to pull their children out of our Totalitarian public school system where they are being dumbed down, as evidently you were. Mr. Smith.

      • DaveH

        Even more ridiculous is the charge of “loathsome”, that was directed at Bob for daring to suggest that the killings might have been perpetrated by Government, by Robert who quite regularly stumps for the killing of unborn infants.
        So let’s get this straight. His heart bleeds for the youth, but only after they’re born?
        And then he doesn’t really give a hoot that those deaths were a direct result of the teachers and administrators inability to protect themselves and their kids because they were disarmed by the so-called “compassionate” Liberal Progressives.
        Robert, you are one twisted individual. But then, I guess you blend right in with your Liberal Progressive cohorts.

      • Bill

        The most people killed in the last century was from communism. Stalin and Mao were the largest perpetrators and one thing was in common, the public was disarmed.

        Robert,
        You are living in a little bubble and if you do not learn from history, it will repat itself

      • JC

        Robert,

        Any thinking person can see the inconsistencies in the ever evolving “facts” around Sandy Hook. Whether or not it was a false flag operation is something that should be considered in light of the “fact” that the authorities just can’t seem to get their story straight.
        There are a good many reasonable questions that need to be answered in order for any of this to make sense….so far, nothing is forthcoming.
        Which begs the ultimate question: What are they hiding?

      • S.C.Murf

        rob smith you are a satanist aren’t you. All of the vile, hate filled lies you spew against God, you really hate Him don’t you. I pity you

        up the hill
        airborne

      • JUKEBOX

        If you can’t fathom the fact of DOJ’s Fast & Furious campaign, which has resulted in so many deaths in the U.S. and Mexico, was concocted by OUR government, then you are so gullible to believe that Saddam Hussein, Adolph Hitler, Assad, etc. never killed any of their citizens either.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        Robert: Really? Are there any that are untrue? How many kids were killed when THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF EARTH was wiped out, except Noah and his family?

        How many children have been wipe-out through abortion, except for the murderers?

        Robert: How many kids were in Sodom and Ghmaora?

        How many children that never made out of abortion-clinics alive?

        Robert: Did Lot, or did Lot not have sex with his virgin daughters?

        Do you envy Lot?

        Robert: I’m simply pinting things out without all the chapter and verse numbers, etc. It’s all there for folks to read.

        So are your insane-comments!

        Robert: But for someone to accuse anyone of such a shooting for oganized political gain in America on the basis of the fog of early reporting is simply stretching to make an argument and distract from the real issues that have confronted America because of this horribl incident.

        I disagree, it is rather to focus on the real issues that have confronted America because of this horrible and contrived-incident!

        Robert: We need to consider a better mental health care system. Reagan’s dumping them in the streets has failed.

        Careful what you say, Robert. The Psychiatric-community will not take kindly to your suggestion to replace them with a more humane-system, and, should you persist, expect a butterfly-net with your name on it!

      • Robert Smith

        DavidH posted: http://library.mises.org/books/Percy%20L%20Greaves,%20Jr/Pearl%20Harbor%20The%20Seeds%20and%20Fruits%20of%20Infamy.pdf

        I actually read some of it. There wasn’t anything new or revolutionary about who knew what when before the attack on Perl Harbor. What’s new is drawing a few lines that may or man not have been drawn AT THAT TIME. Each one piled atop another weaves a cover-up of immense proportions. But like the game, if some of the sticks are removed the entire thing falls.

        And there is the problem, David. The “facts” don’t actually lead to conclusions unless one really really wants to see that conclusion.

        Rob

      • JC

        And there is the problem, David. The “facts” don’t actually lead to conclusions unless one really really wants to see that conclusion.

        Rob
        _______________________________________________________________________

        The “facts” lead to the conclusion that someone is lying through their teeth about this whole “tragedy”. And now the Anti American gun grabbing NAZI’s are using this pack of lies to predicate yet another power grab by trying to disarm Americans for reasons based on lies…

        Wake up Moron!

      • Robert Smith

        From Mr. Livingston’s reference: “The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. ”

        Not mentioned?

        I wonder what John Wayne would think about that. Remember, he did a movie about the Flying Tigers. You can watch it on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzSDkG3yQAc

        Remember how Chennault was on the cover of Time for his efforts?

        Remember Pappy Boyington? He was a hero during that time.

        It’s just crazy to say there were no historical accounts, particularly when John Wayne and Robert Conrad were involved.

        Rob

      • Charlie

        Robert Smith,,,
        Heathen ,you branded yourself a liar way back with your ignorance of “Scripture”………..
        When you print misinformation almost every time you comment……………
        Saturate your mind with Scripture , that will flush out most lies… Meanwhile………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 238 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • Robert Smith

        From Bob Livingston: “http://www.911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html”

        ROFL… From that I picked up: “Six days later the US invaded, with the proffered reason that the American medical students studying in the Grenada were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US favoured more traditional values and the right.”

        Great leader from the right, Ronald Reagan brought that for America to wake up to, and Clint Eastwood made it a war movie!

        BTW, except for the thing in Iraq it looks like it’s ALL from the right. In fact Iraq started in 1953 when the CIA moved the Shaw in, but who wants go to back that far?

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        JC tries to convince us: “The “facts” lead to the conclusion that someone is lying through their teeth about this whole “tragedy”.”

        Really? It’s much easier to believe what I saw with my own eyes as it unfolded that day. Certainly there was some “fog” but particularly early in the game WFSB out of Hartford wasn’t backing away from the story in spite of not broadcasting a clue of the horror that had occurred. They knew, couldn’t believe, and finally had to break the story after it was verified.

        Could it be the right wing that has absolutely NO way to get folks to understand that it was a nut job who pulled it off because they are too busy trying to distract from the truth?

        BOTH extremes are wrong. We don’t need more gun control. We don’t need more guns. Neither will make any difference.

        We need better mental health care in America.

        If folks can get on the same page there is at least a chance of fewer of these events.

        Rob

      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        December 31, 2012 at 5:10 pm
        JC tries to convince us: “The “facts” lead to the conclusion that someone is lying through their teeth about this whole “tragedy”.”

        Really? It’s much easier to believe what I saw with my own eyes as it unfolded that day. Certainly there was some “fog” but particularly early in the game WFSB out of Hartford wasn’t backing away from the story in spite of not broadcasting a clue of the horror that had occurred. They knew, couldn’t believe, and finally had to break the story after it was verified.
        _______________________________________________________________

        And then changed the next day and again the day after…another “evolving event”?
        I’ll call it like I see it…there’s a cover up going on.

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “And there is the problem, David. The “facts” don’t actually lead to conclusions unless one really really wants to see that conclusion”.

        I make my judgements based on logic and experience, not what I want to believe. Emotional judgements are your problem, Robert, not mine.

  • CZ52

    Death by firearm is 10th on the list of causes of death in the US.

    A few that are above firearms are: Medical errors 118,021; motor vehicle accidents 34,485; non firearm homicides 16,799. According to the FBI the #1 weapon used in violent crimes is the baseball bat.

    Sources The CDC, FBI, and US federal government.

    • Vicki

      We DEMAND Baseball bat control. Registration and possible confiscation must commence at once. Its time to stop the madness.

      • FreedomFighter

        Totalitarian control is only possible in a disarmed society, as the Nazis and communists demonstrated in the twentieth century.

        Obama’s regime starting with the DHS has purchased 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition including hollow point “MAN RIPPER” ammo that is outlawed in war due to the horrific wounds these rounds inflict on the human body, fully automatic weapons, semi-auto and sniper, armored vehicles, war type body armor, drones (armed and surveillance) all to be used in America on Americans. In addition, military, police, Russian, Chinese, UN, NATO and other special units over the last several years have been and are being trained to:

        CONFISCATE YOUR GUNS DOOR TO DOOR – they will lock down as area and with overwhelming force remove all guns, one area at a time, resistors will be terminated and their families sent to re-education FEMA CAMPS or formed into WORK BRIGADES (slaves).

        FEMA has already setup the camps, purchased millions of coffins, trained guard dog, hired personnel to man the camps (recently), have special design rail cars and buses stationed all over America waiting for MARTIAL LAW implementation

        “the goal of the 1 percent. It’s total disarmament. That would give the state the long-awaited monopoly on violence.”

        Look at the shootings designed to herd the masses thru fear…almost all at GUN FREE ZONES where the easy targets are:

        • Congress woman Gifford
        • High School mass murders
        • Movie theater mass murders
        • Elementary School mass murders

        Ever notice no mass murders at hospitals? – No a gun free Zone.

        Now shootings at Firemen doing their jobs and at police at their homes with police cars parked. All designed to create FEAR and when people are afraid they will jump on the first wagon out of the fire. Guess who is driving the wagon?

        The elite psychopaths in the cesspool of Washington, D.C., and their communist cohorts.

        Time to make a stand America, the take over is almost complete:

        Differance between a slave and his master? The slave owns no guns.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Greg

        Vicki,

        You left out clubs (the first recorded murder was when Cain killed his brother, Abel, with a club), rocks, sticks, pool cues, kitchen knives and utensils, chain saws,,,etc…etc…..

      • factnotrhetoric

        The Federal Government has created “Gun Free Zones” or “Killing Zones” for our children.

        It has been proven over and over that creating “Gun Free Zones” increases the number of murders by firearms. This creates “Killing Zones” where only the criminals have guns.

        The 1990/1995 Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)) creates “Killing Zones” that the Federal Government mandates.

        This can easily be undone with:
        1) state laws
        2) or much simpler by the local Sheriff exercising his authority over federal laws and placing volunteer, trained, licensed people at each school.

        END THE GUN FREE ZONES OR KILLING ZONES IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

      • Bill

        We also need to outlaw obesity, because it kills millions of people each year

      • tony newbill

        Oh you know they are going to come for our TEETH before long because they is a Killing Machine like No war ever cost !!!!!! Cost of obesity approaching $300 billion a year http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/yourlife/health/medical/2011-01-12-obesity-costs-300-bilion_N.htm

      • Harry

        Baseball bat control is not necessary! Ask Alex Rodriguez. He has a bat and he can’t hit anything!

      • JC

        factnotrhetoric says:
        December 31, 2012 at 9:21 am
        The Federal Government has created “Gun Free Zones” or “Killing Zones” for our children.
        _____________________________________________________________________

        Exactly right! And we are obligated “by law” to send our kids to these killing zones.
        And the Governments solution to a Government created problem?
        Negate the law of the land and Disarm law abiding Americans.
        Treason and Insanity.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        That was funny Vicki but, don’t give these nazi’s any idea’s, LOL. Happy New Year:

      • Danny Pruitt

        Viciki, you are absolutely right….We MUST ban baseball bats.

      • John

        If you try to take our guns there will be war in our streets.We will not turn in our guns even if our gov. makes it a law,To us and our Constitution it will be an illegal law and unconstitutional.Most Americans are tired of our freedoms and rights being destroyed.This is where we draw the line,if I have to die for our rights,why should I be any different than the 1.3 million and counting that have already made the sacrifice to keep us a free nation

      • http://rockdog1113dothushmaildotcom.wordpress.com rocquedog
      • Joe America

        China has the strictest gun laws in the world, and as a result of their totolitarian state, they have one of the most successful organ transplant organizations in the world. You go to China, and they simply take a Chinese political prisoner, kill them and take their organs, then sell them. Here’s the deal; you go to China, and go sight seeing for a few weeks, in the meantime, political foes are rounded up, typed and crossed, and HLA typed. They’re led into a mobile killing van, where they are euthanized, the organs are harvested and processed. The organs are brought to your hospital. You get those organs and head home. Art Caplan, America’s great ethics leader, speaks in this film, explaning in detail how this is done. For every person farting out of their mouths about gun control, this is what you are promoting. This is what’s coming for the entire world, once the world elite take over, and they will, because people just aren’t aware, of anything. Gun grabbers, watch this video and see what the future of gun control will eventually bring to you and your’s. Please remember, that the elite want to live forever, and that means using you and your children for spare parts. To the elite, we are all just cattle; walking meatsticks, existing for their use; their benefit. And, if you don’t serve a vital purpose for them, you will be gone; you whom they refer to as “The Usless Eaters”:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvAOOwvJMZs

      • Mikey

        Sandy Hook was a FALSE FLAG! I grew suspicious when the coroner stated that all the gunshot wounds were inflicted by a rifle, not by handguns. Then, video showed the police retrieving the rifle from the trunk of the shooters car…..he never took it into the school. Clearly there’s a problem here. Probably a hired gunman elsewhere. Then, look at this video…ALARMING:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eHv_RhVgfUQ

    • Pearline Brown

      As I stated before- Guns, knives, and other weapons doesn’t do anythings by themselves- except lay around and collect dust if they stay laying around long enough, but it is evil minded, sick minded, weak minded and sick opininated minded people that are the problem in most cases. STOP IT! DAMN IT!. To many people are losing their lives UNNECCESARYLY. My daughter was murdered at the age of 30 yrs. old, just a month and a few days prior to her 31 birthday and in front of her children, shouldn’t have happen, these children (babies) were at school trying to get an education and grow up to be decent law abiding humanbeings. Why can’ tyou show your face when writing this junk about taking Gun rights away. What and HOw many children of your awn have you Gun Nuts lost to Violent Acts committed by some suppose to be crazy person. They aren’t crazy, they are out to cause heart ache, pain, suffering,and death- just plain EVIL.. We need a Justice System with strong laws and criminal sentences for the crimes committed by criminals, if they don’t have the guts to take their own life, give them life in prison for the vicious/heinious crimes they commits. I tired of hearing about the criminals have rights. The moment they chose to use a weapon against anoughter humanbeing they gave their own rights aways to be a free person in world among decent humanbeing. The President and every Governor of the 5o states of the U.S. should come together and pass a Life In Prison Without Parole Law for these and all vicious, heinious, senseless, crimes committed whether its mass murder, murder, rape, or any other vicious crimes.

      • Bob

        You’re a dumb%^&!! Sorry about your loss, but the problem is PEOPLE…NOT GUNS!! And putting violent people in prison for life is not a good fix either. People that commit terrible crimes need to be put to death, not imprisoned for life that costs tax payers millions of dollars every year to support them.

      • charlie

        Pearline, I will bet that your daughter relied on the government for protection and other substances.
        She chose to be defenseless. I would also guess that you taught her all she knew.

      • http://www.facebook.com/nota.socialist Nota Socialist

        The only justice in this country, is for the Criminal…

        To hell with life in prison. A bullet in the brain, and move on.

      • mike r.

        A long rope

      • Don

        everything you said will never be because our government in dc is so into their power. our so called voted in representitives have become leaders, the ones who decide what we have and do, instead of the other way around. we have these anti gunners like mentioned in the articless,s enator chuck schemmer, rep carolyn mccarty, jerold nadler, senatorjay rockefeller, rep pelosi,feinstein and tons of power mad royalty who are supposed to represent the people but don’t. power comes first. they don’t realize but i believe they are most of the cause of this nations problems. look what they have doone to the economy. they gave companies breaks to move to other countries. we used to be an economic power when everything was made here. too bad everyone went for cheap. the national debt you created is hurting us bad and there does’nt appera to be an end in sight. i did not agree with the bush tax break when he put it in because this nation was having trouble paying its bills back then, but royalty decided that too. the fed was pushed in by the big bankers back in 1913. i’d almost bet they had something to do with the depression. now they have devalued our dollar to nothing. people do not realize it but it takes more devalued dollars to buy things that used to sell for less. its called inflation. our government is run on inflation. more spending and more money printing, all with the blessings of the royalty.. ron ppaul tried to combat the royalty but they kept him out. the royalty will probly keep him from the audit of the fed. most of the craap our royal leaders are trying to stop will only result in the loss of our freedoms. desparate people will do more things which the royalty will rob us of what we have as a free nation.

      • ranger09

        The justice system is ok, Its just the people that inforce it is the Problem, Start with the Judges, Then the Lawyers. And the biggest problem is the lawyers who want nothing but Making more Money At the Exspence of the Taxpayers. Example Man kills several people, Jury finds him guilty,Judge gives him the death Penalty. BUT the Lawyers and Other Judges keep him in jail for 27 years, and of course the Taxpayers are paying for his up keep.Then they decide its ok now to put him to death/ We need to stop this kind of Lawyer Control over our system. But Lawyers and Judges belong to the same Club. So much for Fair and swift Justice. About time Citizens started inforcing the law. How about the Parents and their Lawyer that wants to sue the state for 100 million because there child survived the Killings. People THEY are sueing not the govt BUT THE PEOPLE. Now these parents and their Lawyer should be put againest the wall.. Not to be grateful their child lived, BUT to punish the Parents those children died. How sad that people could do this.
        makes you thank about true and Swift Justice as some of the Arab countries dish out. Like we use to do ourselves But when you give the criminals more rights than the Honest citizens then you know we have a real problem.But for years now the Politicians have even been taking away our rights to even protect ourselves and our Familys.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Need to tell the idiot from the land of fruits and nuts to get rid of her concealled carry permit, how about it Feinstein?

      • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.sherman.589 tgsherman

        Have you ever heard of HITLER???

    • DaveH

      Anybody who thinks that our own Government would hesitate to treat us the way they treated the Iraqis, is just plain naive.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        I agree with Mr. Livingston. Sandy Hook is obviously yet another false flag operation to
        (1.) Grab guns, and (2) Keep the American people in a state of constant fear and confusion, and when better to do that but around the holidays? My question is also why we never see televised footage of the angry parents/spouses, etc., of the people who got killed? Why is there always only one nutty shooter when other suspects are initially reported at the scene, like the “suspect” in the woods at Sandy Hook? The televised “news” stories are always changing, probably because the real truth might make the viewing audience snap out of their collective comas…

        I don’t think all of this is a co-incidence either:

        http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=4tixiugab&v=001iv6lNzjdvpMBGF_FhZdwxUgFhQApuS7ZQ_v7RLaVjUqNhFBNS6MuQ3eBAj2Nu7k0qCMoUITP4OQf1vS8AqlmMr-VD2UexqPhSd0-qPARBcHDPPlYTcL9KA%3D%3D

      • Cramer

        Sorry Dave but this is NOT our government. It is THE government and it respects you..NOT!

      • JUKEBOX

        I’d bet that Obama has a first edition, autographed copy of MEIN KAMPF by his bedside.

      • carrobin

        Incredible the stupid and/or paranoid “reasons” people give to hang onto their “Second Amendment right” to own lethal toys. Bet you guys don’t even know what the word “militia” means.

      • Garry

        That’s easy. “The People”

      • DaveH

        What is incredible carrobin is how you Liberal Progressives ignore all logic or statistical facts which prove that More Guns mean Less Crimes.
        Your Gun Control defenses are purely emotional.
        As to your question about what “militia means” see here:
        http://gunowners.org/op0848.htm

      • JC

        carrobin says:
        December 31, 2012 at 11:43 am
        Incredible the stupid and/or paranoid “reasons” people give to hang onto their “Second Amendment right” to own lethal toys. Bet you guys don’t even know what the word “militia” means.
        ______________________________________________________________________

        Listen up Moron,

        The Second Amendment is in place so that Americans can defend themselves, their homes, county, state and nation.
        The Militia is “We The People”.
        My guess is that your education is completely lacking in morality ethics and history, so why don’t you go sit in the corner, lick up a nice latte, and let the grown ups look after keeping the nations freedoms and liberties intact.

      • Charlie

        DaveH,,,
        Did “Your” government win the attack of Iraq ??? NO! because America created “Hate” that the Iraq live people will hold for at least the rest of their life… No known American will ever be safe in Iraq, without heavy security 24/7… After any so called war,,,IF,,,the Guerrillas hate you , you have lost the war…
        America was established under Biblical Law . Who is King Jesus? in The Bible? Well,,, The
        American Guerrillas,,,when they pop out of the wood works ,,,.”Your” government WILL NOT be in leadership of The American Guerrillas,,, King Jesus will be leading The American Militia and “Your” government won’t have enough toilet paper to clean their pants with ,,.so,,,the Guerrilla blood hounds will be able to smell “them” out easily….
        Meanwhile…………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • JC

        Charlie, that’s almost exactly what DaveH said…without the religious aspect.

      • Kurt

        you express nothing but ignorant paranoia… except for the regrettable occasional mistakes made by Law enforcement breaking into the wrong home, which is an anomaly, you could name but a handful of times they have harmed any citizen like the Ruby Ridge incident… Sure once and a while you have had a rogue leader but it is definitely the exception. And your statement does not negate the absolute stupidity to say gun control advocates would stage the murder of innocents.. Unless the USA ceases to be a democracy your being invaded by law enforcement will statistically never happen.

      • Vicki

        carrobin says:
        “I Bet you guys don’t even know what the word “militia” means.”

        We are pretty sure that you don’t since you advocate disarming them.
        For a hint so that you might become more educated look up “10 U.S.C. § 311″

      • JC

        Kurt says:
        December 31, 2012 at 6:22 pm
        you express nothing but ignorant paranoia… except for the regrettable occasional mistakes made by Law enforcement breaking into the wrong home, which is an anomaly, you could name but a handful of times they have harmed any citizen like the Ruby Ridge incident… Sure once and a while you have had a rogue leader but it is definitely the exception. And your statement does not negate the absolute stupidity to say gun control advocates would stage the murder of innocents.. Unless the USA ceases to be a democracy your being invaded by law enforcement will statistically never happen.
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        And if the USA ceases to be a “Democracy” will they tell us?
        Nope…they’ll just start kicking in doors. And who will be kicking in those doors?

        By the way…The United States are a Republic, not a Democracy.

      • Average Joe

        carrobin,
        For those of you who don’t understand the proper use of the English language, let me give you a refresher course:

        As passed by the Congress:

        A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

        The statement: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state,”
        is often misunderstood to mean that you need to be in a militia in order to own firearms. Well, point in-fact, every male of draft age who is of sound body and mind is considered a member of the “unorganized militia” according to the law, but that’s irrelevant, because the second statement:
        “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
        is the important part.
        This statement is the crux of the amendment and ensures that the individual right to bear arms is not infringed upon. Now, the way this sentence is constructed (in total), the right of the people allows for the well-regulated militia. The militia is a byproduct of the right to bear arms, not a prerequisite.
        Here is the grammatical break down from the prof:[ Copperud:]
        The words “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,” contrary to the interpretation cited in your letter of July 26, 1991, constitute a present participle, rather than a clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying ” militia,” which is followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject “the right,” verb “shall”). The right to keep and bear arms is asserted as essential for maintaining a militia.
        In reply to your numbered questions:

        [Schulman: (1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep and bear arms solely to "a well-regulated militia"?;]
        [ Copperud:] (1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect to a right of the people.

        [Schulman: (2) Is "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" granted by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state that such right "shall not be infringed"?;]
        [ Copperud:] (2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia.

        [Schulman: (3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well-regulated militia is, in fact, necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" null and void?;]

        [ Copperud:] (3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence.
        [Schulman: (4) Does the clause "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," grant a right to the government to place conditions on the "right of the people to keep and bear arms," or is such right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?;]

        [ Copperud:] (4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the militia.

        [Schulman: (5) Which of the following does the phrase " well-regulated militia" mean: "well-equipped," "well-organized," "well-drilled," "well-educated," or "subject to regulations of a superior authority"?]

        [ Copperud:] (5) The phrase means “subject to regulations of a superior authority”; this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian control over the military.
        [Schulman: If at all possible, I would ask you to take into account the changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written two-hundred years ago, but not to take into account historical interpretations of the intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated.]

        [ Copperud:] To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: “Since a well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.”

        [Schulman:] As a “scientific control” on this analysis, I would also appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second Amendment to the following sentence,
        “A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.”

        My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be,
        (1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence, and the way the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment’s sentence?; and
        (2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict “the right of the people to keep and read Books” only to “a well-educated electorate” – for example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?]

        [ Copperud:] (1) Your “scientific control” sentence precisely parallels the amendment in grammatical structure.
        (2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the possibility of a restricted interpretation.

        (Roy Herman Copperud, a professor of journalism and an authority on the use of the English language.)

        The proper use of the English language is a wonderful thing…learn to use it….

        Got it? Good.

        AJ

      • DaveH

        Kurt says — “And your statement does not negate the absolute stupidity to say gun control advocates would stage the murder of innocents”.
        Kurt, you obviously live in the Propaganda Dream world that Leaders like their subjects to live in.
        First read this book:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

        Civil War — 600,000+ dead and economies set back 5-10 years to solve the ego of a tyrant.
        WWI — 10,000,000 dead to preserve the prosperity of English Crony Capitalists.
        WWII — 50,000,000 dead as a result of Hitler’s election which was a result of the unfair Treaty of Versaille which was foisted on Germany by trickery.
        FDR provoked Japan in an effort to fool the American people into WWII. He was willing to sacrifice the lives of 2400 unsuspecting servicemen to rally the people to his lust for war.

        Do you really believe that people who fight so hard for a woman’s choice to kill her unborn baby, would balk at sacrificing 20 kids to get their way? Dream on, Kurt.

      • DaveH

        Kurt says — “except for the regrettable occasional mistakes made by Law enforcement breaking into the wrong home, which is an anomaly, you could name but a handful of times they have harmed any citizen like the Ruby Ridge incident”.

        You’ve forgotten about Waco?
        Obviously, Kurt, you have your head in the sand:
        http://www.cato.org/raidmap

        Imagine that, an ignorant person calling me ignorant.

    • Ron r

      Where is it in the 2nd amendment does it say ex fellons can not have fire arms? Jessie James is rolling in his grave. No one wants to take guns from responsible owners. Just those who should not have them.

      • DaveH

        Bull scat.

      • JC

        Well Ron,

        We already have laws to that effect…how’s that working out?

      • Charlie

        Jesse James , a very Biblical name. The “Spirit” of Jesse is alive and well today in America.
        King Jesus Christ was known as the Son of David, David was the son of Jesse…
        Meanwhile……………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • Vicki

        Ron r writes:
        “Where is it in the 2nd amendment does it say ex fellons can not have fire arms?”

        No where. It could be inferred from Amendment 5 “… nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;…”

        The problem is that if there is no end to the punishment for a crime why should an ex-con ever bother to become a responsible citizen. Besides if they are still dangerous why are they allowed out where they can get easy access to a range of tools to continue to be dangerous.

    • Bob

      Crazy country we live in……yes it’s a sad day when a mentally ill person can take anyone by surprise in killing the innocent. What happened to raising the kids by both parents with the three R’s: Responsible, relationship and respect of yourself and others. Exactly what happens when you don’t have any solid moral foundation based upon God in the home, school or workplace.

      The 1% have been stirred into a frenzy by the media and a many of our out of touch politicians, trying to fix everything with another set of laws. Heck they don’t enforce the ones already on the books, or we wouldn’t have the problems dealt with in the first place. How about being moved in saving the 1.2 million lives taken by abortions every year in the USA.

    • http://gravatar.com/patriot516 patriot516

      While the liberal socialist’s within our government are in the process of conveniently handpicking which amendments to dismantle in order to bring about global enslavement of all mankind; why don’t the more liberty minded, rational members balance this by attacking the 16th amendment. I propose we do away with all direct taxation that flows from individuals and corporations to the central government, by forcing them to get funding from the States, on a voluntary basis. Think of the power this would give back to the people! If congress and the Senate could accomplish this, it would save the US taxpayer trillions of dollars every year. No long would congressman have to beg and plead, just to get back their voters hard earned tax dollars from the central government. They wouldn’t have to tack on pork barrel appropriations to bills that are unrelated to their causes. This one simple reversing of the tax flow would resolve a very large portion of this countries corrupt and unconstitutional spending problems. Use your imagination, and I bet all of you could come up with how this would benefit all of us, except the central government. Imagine, only States impose income taxes. This would promote competition between the States since, if a State’s citizens did not feel they were getting their moneys worth, they could simply move to a State that supports their ideals. The efficency of reversing the flow would be astronomical, what ever is left over from the State, could be slated for the central government, if they behaved!

      • Joe America

        I couldn’t agree with you more. The problem is that the average American is so ignorant of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the history of this nation, that they won’t cry about loss of freedom until they’re being shoved into the gas chambers and the ovens are burning bodies 24/7. This is what happens when a people become brain dead, lazy and slothful, having had an easy life, never really knowning tryranny. When I read the glib anti-gun, anti-freedom post by brain dead liberals, I know we’re doomed, as a nation. These idiots won’t wake up until they see their grandchildren being freely abused and killed by the elite. I’ve never seen so many people, so willing to run into the gas chambers. Truly, history has not affected their outlook on the power elite, because they’re ignorant of history. And, those who ignore history are bound to repeat it. Only fools believe that what happened to the Germans people and the Jews prior to and during WWII, cannot happen, again, here in America. The fact is, you have the same players, the same controllers, and the same power elite push the same agenda, which is world domination. It’s the elite aristocrats desiring to return to the bad old days, when there were only lords and surfs; and certainly no upstart middle class. And, in order to return to those days, America must go, and along with it, the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights. And, to make that happen, the second ammendment must go. After all, you can’t have victims shooting at you. They need to be docile and unarmed. That way, they can be safely tucked into concentration camps, into forced labor, and then, when the time comes and they are no longer useful, the gas chambers and then ovens. In the end, the world population will be brought down to a 1/2 billion people. A much more managable number.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      We know voters for Obama were in 3 basic groups. 1) “I got a cell phone from Obama”, meaning the not too bright. 2) Radical feminists and other radical Liberals. 3) supporters of Communism. It reminds me of Roger Moore and his love of radical Socialism and unionization when he visited his pal in Cuba.

      We know the biggest problem in trying to keep our rights is the media. If the media on the left would tell the truth and I mean all the truth, Obama would have been impeached in his first term. He certainly has done enough against his own oath of office to be.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      CZ52 your comment makes too much sense and since the left doesn’t really have a brain because all they do is on feelings and emotions I’m afraid they will just call you names as they always do but won’t admit too but, if they had their way once again, Hitler would be proud of all the little nazi’s as history repeats itself. Forgot, they don’t read history, they just re-write it and teach our children lies instead of the truth but, have never seen a left wing nut joke that was shamed by their lie’s. God Bless Friend:

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