Guns Don’t Kill People But Big Pharma Does

December 28, 2012 by Bob Livingston

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Purported Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza was, according to a man reported to be his uncle, on the antipsychotic drug Fanapt. The “uncle” turned out to be a fraud, but given that most news reports describe Lanza as being emotionally or mentally disturbed, it’s quite likely he was on some sort of mind-altering drug or drug combination.

Documented side effects of Fanapt are aggression, confusion, delirium, hostility, impulse-control disorder, mania, mood swings, paranoia, panic attack and suicide. Sound familiar?

Gun grabbers have gone almost apoplectic since the shooting, blaming the (misnamed) assault rifle—which was reportedly still in Lanza’s car when police arrived at the school—for the deaths of the children and teacher. Lanza has since been pushed into the memory hole—along with the man in camouflage plucked from the nearby woods and many other anomalies— and the focus has been on the AR15 and its links in other recent mass shootings.

But there is another common denominator in mass shootings: psychotropic drugs. Aurora movie theater shooter James Holmes, Columbine killer Eric Harris, and a host of other mass murdering young killers were on some type of psychotropic drugs when they committed their crimes.

According to a study published in the journal PLoS One and based on the FDA’s Adverse Event Reporting System, the following mind-altering drugs are most frequently linked to violence:

10. Desvenlafaxine (Pristiq) is an antidepressant associated with 7.9 times more violence than many other drugs.

9. Venlafaxine (Effexor) is related to Pristiq and is an antidepressant also used in treating those with anxiety disorders. Effexor is 8.3 times more associated with violent behavior than other drugs.

8. Fluvoxamine (Luvox) is an antidepressant that affects serotonin (SSRI), and is 8.4 times more likely to be linked to violence than other medications

7. Triazolam (Halcion) can be addictive and is a benzodiazepine that supposedly treats insomnia. It’s 8.7 times more likely to be associated with violence than other medications.

6. Atomoxetine (Strattera) is often prescribed to tread ADHD and is 9 times more likely to be associated with violence.

5. Mefoquine (Lariam) treats malaria and sometimes products bizarre behavior, and is 9.5 times more likely to be linked to violence.

4. Amphetamines come in many forms and are often used to treat ADHD (even to children not diagnosed with ADHD). They are 9.6 times more likely to be linked to violence.

3. Paroxetine (Paxil) is an SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) antidepressant. Many users experience severe withdrawal symptoms and are more likely to produce children with birth defects as well as 10.3 times more likely to be linked to violence than other medications.

2. Fluoxetine (Prozac) is a household name for a powerful SSRI antidepressant linked with 10.9 times more violence than other drugs.

1. Varenicline (Chantix) is administered to smokers to supposedly help curb cigarette cravings, but it’s a whopping 18 times more likely to be linked to violent behavior than other drugs.

Big Pharma is killing everything from babies to adults by the thousands, but no one seems interested in banning these drugs or holding Big Pharma and prescribing physicians accountable. The Food and Drug Administration, which approves these drugs, recognizes that more 100,000 adverse drug reaction (ADR) deaths occur each year. ADRs is the fourth leading cause of death, ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths.

Drug companies bribe doctors to prescribe their medications and use fake studies to sell their efficacy. The drug company GlaxoSmithKline was recently fined a mere $93,000 in Argentina for killing 14 babies during illegal lab vaccine trials in which the company falsified parental authorizations so that the babies could participate without legitimate parental permission. According to one pediatrician working at the public hospital when GSK began recruiting babies for their illegal human trials, not only did GSK force illiterate parents into handing over their children, but they also “recruited” several doctors working at the hospital into their cause. The actual number of children affected may run in the thousands.

According to a study published in Human and Experimental Toxicology, the more vaccinated a baby is the more likely he is to die or suffer serious reaction.

Yet lawful gun owners are becoming the scapegoat for the mess Big Pharma is creating and more draconian, liberty stealing laws will likely result from the shooting.

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The term “mental illness” is widely used to describe something which is very different than a disease of the brain. Many people today take it for granted that living is an arduous process. Its hardship for modern man, moreover, derives not so much from a struggle for biological survival as from the stresses and strains inherent in the social intercourse of complex human personalities. In this context, the notion of mental illness is used to identify or describe some feature of an individual’s so-called personality.

Mental illness — as a deformity of the personality, so to speak — is then regarded as the cause of the human disharmony. It is implicit in this view that social intercourse between people is regarded as something inherently harmonious, its disturbance being due solely to the presence of “mental illness” in many people. This is obviously fallacious reasoning, for it makes the abstraction “mental illness” into a cause, even though this abstraction was created in the first place to serve only as a shorthand expression for certain types of human behavior. It now becomes necessary to ask:

“What hinds of behavior are regarded as indicative of mental illness, and by whom?”

The concept of illness, whether bodily or mental, implies deviation from some clearly defined norm. In the case of physical illness, the norm is the structural and functional integrity of the human body. Thus, although the desirability of physical health, as such, is an ethical value, what health is can be stated in anatomical and physiological terms.

What is the norm deviation from which is regarded as mental illness?

This question cannot be easily answered. But whatever this norm might be, we can be certain of only one thing: namely, that it is a norm that must be stated in terms of psycho-social, ethical, and legal concepts. For example, notions such as “excessive repression” or “acting out an unconscious impulse” illustrate the use of psychological concepts for judging (so-called) mental health and illness. The idea that chronic hostility, vengefulness, or divorce are indicative of mental illness would be illustrations of the use of ethical norms (that is, the desirability of love, kindness, and a stable marriage relationship). Finally, the widespread psychiatric opinion that only a mentally ill person would commit homicide illustrates the use of a legal concept as a norm of mental health. The norm from which deviation is measured whenever one speaks of a mental illness is a psycho-social and ethical one. Yet, the remedy is sought in terms of medical measures which — it is hoped and assumed — are free from wide differences of ethical value. The definition of the disorder and the terms in which its remedy are sought are therefore at serious odds with one another. The practical significance of this covert conflict between the alleged nature of the defect and the remedy can hardly be exaggerated.

Having identified the norms used to measure deviations in cases of mental illness, we will now turn to the question: “Who defines the norms and hence the deviation?”

Two basic answers may be offered: (a) It may be the person himself (that is, the patient) who decides that he deviates from a norm. For example, an artist may believe that he suffers from a work inhibition; and he may implement this conclusion by seeking help for himself from a psychotherapist.

(b) It may be someone other than the patient who decides that the latter is deviant (for example, relatives, physicians, legal authorities, society generally, etc.). In such a case a psychiatrist may be hired by others to do something to the patient in order to correct the deviation.

These considerations underscore the importance of asking the question “Whose agent is the psychiatrist?” and of giving a candid answer to it. The psychiatrist (psychologist or nonmedical psychotherapist), it now develops, may be the agent of the patient, of the relatives, of the school, of the military services, of a business organization, of a court of law, and so forth. In speaking of the psychiatrist as the agent of these persons or organizations, it is not implied that his values concerning norms, or his ideas and aims concerning the proper nature of remedial action, need to coincide exactly with those of his employer.

For example, a patient in individual psychotherapy may believe that his salvation lies in a new marriage; his psychotherapist need not share this hypothesis. As the patient’s agent, however, he must abstain from bringing social or legal force to bear on the patient which would prevent him from putting his beliefs into action. If his contract is with the patient, the psychiatrist (psychotherapist) may disagree with him or stop his treatment; but he cannot engage others to obstruct the patient’s aspirations.

Similarly, if a psychiatrist is engaged by a court to determine the sanity of a criminal, he need not fully share the legal authorities’ values and intentions in regard to the criminal and the means available for dealing with him. But the psychiatrist is expressly barred from stating, for example, that it is not the criminal who is “insane” but the men who wrote the law on the basis of which the very actions that are being judged are regarded as “criminal.” Such an opinion could be voiced, of course, but not in a courtroom, and not by a psychiatrist who makes it his practice to assist the court in performing its daily work.

To recapitulate: In actual contemporary social usage, the finding of a mental illness is made by establishing a deviance in behavior from certain psychosocial, ethical, or legal norms. The judgment may be made, as in medicine, by the patient, the physician (psychiatrist), or others. Remedial action, finally, tends to be sought in a therapeutic — or covertly medical — framework, thus creating a situation in which psychosocial, ethical, and/or legal deviations are claimed to be correctible by (so-called) medical action. Since medical action is designed to correct only medical deviations, it seems logically absurd to expect that it will help solve problems whose very existence had been defined and established on nonmedical grounds.

I think that these considerations may be fruitfully applied to the present use of tranquilizers and, more generally, to what might be expected of drugs of whatever type in regard to the amelioration or solution of problems in human living.

-The Myth of Mental Illness By Thomas S. Szasz (1960)

First published in American Psychologist, 15, 113-118.

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Szasz/myth.htm
Joz

oh oh let’s not overlook this one ! wow ! Bill Maher on Newtown shooting: prayers and giving your kids hugs fix nothing

No tragedy is too great for the left not to exploit. Take for instance atheist pig Bill Maher. You see he doesn’t believe it in religion (which is cool with me), but those who do are just stupid according to Maher. You see, according to Obama’s million dollar pig Bill Maher, praying for the victims and families of the horrible Newtown Connecticut shooting and giving your kids hugs fixes nothing. Instead according to pig Maher, ‘only having the balls to stand up to our insane selfish gun culture will.’

Bill Maher✔
@billmaher

Sorry but prayers and giving your kids hugs fix nothing; only having the balls to stand up to our insane selfish gun culture will.
Joz

http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/12/17/gun-control-stats-compare-the-ten-big-killers-in-the-us/

check out this: Legal Drugs Hospital Errors are #3 killer in the USA…. read the rest.
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Since you wrote your article, it has been stated that Lanza did use an AR-15, and that he was not on medication. But, that still doesn’t alleviate the responsibility of mental health professionals. It is time we quit paying Psychiatrists huge salaries for inadequate patient maintenance with absolutely no cures for chronic mental illness. Chronic mental illness has a disease pathology that does not just reside in or originate in the head. The pathology of the disease affects the brain through chemical imbalances. Mental illness cannot be cured with counseling – not ever. This is the problem: Allopathic Medicine has no cure for mental or any other chronic disease. Ancient Natural and Alternative Medicine had cures for chronic disease; however, treatment of chronic disease starts with expert diagnosis and ability to evaluate treatments. Allopathic Physicians have no diagnostic techniques, relying exclusively on limited laboratory tests and only on patient statements for psychiatric diagnosis. Pretending to handle the problem of mental illness is not going to get the job done no matter how much more money is put into the mental health system. Under our current system, nothing will be done to change the outcome for those suffering from mental illness or destruction of their victims because Psychiatrists do not have the skills to solve the problem. When an Allopathic Physician is presented with a cure for chronic disease, one receives a blank stare. These physicians take their orders from the pharmaceutical companies. In order to solve our societal problem, the solution below needs to be implemented to end chronic disease not only for sufferers of mental disorders and their victimization of others, but for all chronic disorders.
Natural and Alternative Medicine uses 3 diagnostic techniques very successfully: Those techniques are Iridology, Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing), and either Expert Oriental or Ayurvedic Pulse Diagnosis. Iridology is accomplished via a camera linked to a computer. Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing) can even be done from a distance by mailing DNA swabbed cotton balls to a physician experienced in the art. Expert Pulse Diagnosis can either be Oriental or Indian Ayurvedic. Expert Pulse Diagnosis takes the most time to learn, but is absolutely necessary for any physician who wants to diagnose chronic disease or assess a patient’s status and the efficacy of treatments. An expert pulse diagnostician can detect the progression of the disease and the area of the body from which the disease originates. Pregnancy can be diagnosed within 24 hours of conception by a physician expert in pulse diagnosis. A combination of these diagnostic techniques gives cross-verification to the physician. And, the first 2, Iridology and Kinesiology (Saliva DNA Testing), will aid the physician’s diagnosis, until he is expert in Oriental Pulse Diagnosis. (Distance pulse diagnosis can be accomplished via a lock of hair by keying in on [DNA], just as can be done in Kinesiology Saliva Testing with a swabbed cotton ball.) Allopathic Physicians face severe incompetence in every area besides the Operating Room and treatment of infection, demonstrating a Dark Age lack of knowledge. Many people believe this ineptitude is due to a stranglehold on Allopathic Medicine by the pharmaceutical industry, but this problem is also due to ingrained arrogance and incompetence on the part of Allopathic Psychiatrists. The State of Texas refusal to accept a mental health diagnosis from anyone other than an Allopathic Psychiatrist bears witness to entrenched ignorance on the part of state regulators regarding the competence of psychiatrists to diagnose.
Federal Government involvement in Medicine and Medical R & D is also a major factor in the lack of cures for chronic disease. There is too much money available from the Federal Government, so the status quo is reinforced instead of competent cost-effective treatment developing to meet medical needs. Necessity is the mother of invention only when the Federal Government isn’t in the driver’s seat handing out the dough.
A step by step solution to the problem: Allopathic Physicians first need to learn Natural and Alternative Medical diagnostic techniques. Second, all of the old ancient medical formulas and techniques need to be researched. It is impossible to research efficacy of treatments without expert diagnostic techniques for value assessment on patients. I use an almost completely unknown acupuncture protocol (self-administered much like a diabetic gives himself insulin injections) that treats many chronic diseases, as well as other little known medical knowledge for the majority of my health care needs. I use this acupuncture protocol now only for health maintenance. Friends are now asking me to share my medical knowledge because there is no treatment available for chronic disease. Chronic disease treatment is “Do it yourself healthcare, or do without because Allopathic Medicine provides absolutely “NO” cures.”
The major solution to high health care costs and successful treatment of mental disorders is for states to mandate medical schools to teach expert diagnostic techniques to first year medical students. If students are lacking in proficiency in expert diagnostic techniques at the end of the first year of medical school, they need to be washed out of the program. We can eliminate the majority of the expense and failure in our medical system by insisting our states get tough on the way physicians are trained.
Congress and State Legislatures can get Dr. Vassant Lad of Albuquerque, NM and, or other pulse diagnosticians to give demonstrations in Washington and the various state legislatures by diagnosing Congressmen while they are sitting in their seats in Congress. Dr. Lad or other expert pulse diagnosticians could rapidly perform a blind study for a state legislature on an acupuncture treatment protocol that I have in my possession that cures chronic mental disease as well as other chronic diseases. All that would be required is for Dr. Lad to take the pulse of patients before and after the acupuncture treatment, in order to prove that a profound change occurs when the treatment is administered. This acupuncture protocol can be acquired by contacting me: anncgm1@gmail.com
House members can send a saliva sample to Healthy Bodies in Wills Point, TX to be diagnosed and receive treatment, in order to test the efficacy of this diagnostic method. Congress or a state legislature can invite an iridologist into the state legislature to diagnose everyone sitting in a House seat. Since these diagnostic methods can be demonstrated, our Allopathic Medical Establishment can make no excuses for current inept and expensive medical diagnosis and thoroughly inadequate palliative care.
There is no excuse for mass murders. Another threat, under our current mental health system is the continuing risk of internment in a mental health facility for those who are not actually mentally ill, due to the lack of diagnostic skills. With the progression of our Police State, we could encounter the internment of dissidents, unless expert diagnostic techniques are implemented.

Even with extensive training time for physicians and long times for treatment, our society could be well on its way to freedom from chronic disease within 15 years, if we insist on implementation of expert pulse diagnosis. Without expert pulse diagnosis, no Allopathic Physician will implement any of the Natural or Alternative treatments that surface because he has no ability to easily discern the value. That means we are stuck, until we change the system. Psychiatry has not progressed beyond its infancy, and it will only progress when the public insists on competent diagnostic techniques. We have the ability to make our state and federal governments give us better health care, so let’s do it.
Joz

Congress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids

archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/11/22/215244.shtml- Similarto Congress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids

Nov 23, 2004 … Congress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids … to implement mandatory psychological testing programs for all students in the school system.

Government Sponsored Mind Control In America – Dave Hodges …
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/10/06/government-sponsored-mind-control-in-...

Oct 6, 2012 … On the surface, screening the mental health of children for suicidal … the mentalhealth testing of all 52 million school children and the 6.5 …

Mandatory Bush Seeking Psychological Testing for all School Kids Without …

mydd.com/users/descrates/posts/bush-seeking-psychological-testing-for-all-s… DON’T LEAVE ANY CHILD unMEDICATED ! Sell more drugs for more $ profits?

Are Too Many Kids Medicated? — New York Magazine

nymag.com/news/intelligencer/63832/- Similarto Are Too Many Kids Medicated? — New York Magazine

Feb 12, 2010 … The issue of medicating children was eye-catchingly in the news last week. … Why, after all, should we value normality when it is defined as

Too many young children are medicated with powerful drugs

http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2010/08/young-children-medicated-powerful-…- Similarto Too many young children are medicated with powerful drugs

Aug 28, 2010 … Too many young children are medicated with powerful drugs
Dwight Mann

These drugs are dangerous. What ever the heck did we do before these lethal substances were developed. I suggest that we take a step back and reclaim our humanity. . .

Karolyn

In the 1800s traveling salesmen made up their own concoctions using alcohol, cocaine, morphine, opium, etc.They were bottled under the name of a made-up doctor. That continued into the 20th century. Going back further, shamans used herbs and plants. Personally, I prefer herbs and plants.

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The Laws of the Pharmaceutical Industry

The main principles governing the pharmaceutical “business with disease.” It is not in the financial interests of the pharmaceutical industry to prevent common diseases – the maintenance and expansion of diseases is a precondition for the financial growth of this industry.

1. The pharmaceutical industry is an investment industry driven by the profits of its shareholders. Improving human health is not the driving force of this industry.

2. The pharmaceutical investment industry was artificially created and strategically developed over an entire century by the same investment groups that control the global petrochemical and chemical industries.

3. The huge profits of the pharmaceutical industry are based on the patenting of new drugs. These patents essentially allow drug manufacturers to arbitrarily define the profits for their products.

4. The marketplace for the pharmaceutical industry is the human body – but only for as long as the body hosts diseases. Thus, maintaining and expanding diseases is a precondition for the growth of the pharmaceutical industry.

5. A key strategy to accomplish this goal is the development of drugs that merely mask symptoms while avoiding the curing or elimination of diseases. This explains why most prescription drugs marketed today have no proven efficacy and merely target symptoms.

6. To further expand their pharmaceutical market, the drug companies are continuously looking for new applications (indications) for the use of drugs they already market. For example, Bayer’s pain pill Aspirin is now taken by 50 million healthy US citizens under the illusion it will prevent heart attacks.

7. Another key strategy to expand pharmaceutical markets is to cause new diseases with drugs. While merely masking symptoms short term, most of the prescription drugs taken by millions of patients today cause a multitude of new diseases as a result of their known long-term side effects. For example, all cholesterol-lowering drugs currently on the market are known to increase the risk of developing cancer – but only after the patient has been taking the drug for several years.

8. The known deadly side effects of prescription drugs are the fourth leading cause of death in the industrialized world, surpassed only by the number of deaths from heart attacks, cancer and strokes (Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998). This fact is no surprise either, because drug patents are primarily issued for new synthetic molecules. All synthetic molecules need to be detoxified and eliminated from the body, a system that frequently fails and results in an epidemic of severe and deadly side effects.

9. While the promotion and expansion of diseases increase the market of the pharmaceutical investment industry – prevention and root cause treatment of diseases decrease long-term profitability; therefore, they are avoided or even obstructed by this industry.

10. Worst of all, the eradication of diseases is by its very nature incompatible with and diametrically opposed to the interests of the pharmaceutical investment industry. The eradication of diseases now considered as potential drug markets will destroy billions of investment dollars and eventually will eliminate this entire industry.

11.Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies that optimize cellular metabolism threaten the pharmaceutical “business with disease” because they target the cellular cause of today’s most common diseases – and these natural substances cannot be patented.

12. Throughout the more than one hundred year existence of the pharmaceutical industry, vitamins and other essential nutrients, with defined functions as cofactors in cellular metabolism, have been the fiercest competition and the greatest threat to the long-term success of the pharmaceutical investment business.

13. Vitamins and other effective natural health therapies that effectively prevent diseases are incompatible with the very nature of the pharmaceutical “business with disease.”

14. To protect the strategic development of its investment business against the threat from effective, natural and non-patentable therapies, the pharmaceutical industry has – over an entire century – used the most unscrupulous methods, such as:

(1) Withholding life-saving health information from millions of people. It is simply unacceptable that today so few know that the human body cannot produce vitamin C and lysine, two key molecules for connective tissue stability and disease prevention.

(2) Discrediting natural health therapies. The most common way is through global PR campaigns organized by the Pharma-Cartel that spread lies about the alleged side effects of natural substances – molecules that have been used by Nature for millennia.

(3) Banning by law the dissemination of information about natural health therapies. To that end, the pharmaceutical industry has placed its lobbyists in key political positions in key markets and leading drug export nations.
15. The pharmaceutical “business with disease” is the largest deception and fraud business in human history. The product “health” promised by drug companies is not delivered to millions of patients. Instead, the “products” most often delivered are the opposite: new diseases and frequently, death.

16. The survival of the pharmaceutical industry is dependent on the elimination by any means of effective natural health therapies. These natural and non-patentable therapies have become the treatment of choice for millions of people despite the combined economic, political and media opposition of the world’s largest investment industry.

dark angel

Excellent post Jay! The reason this monopoly of “health treatments” exists is because the largest investor (i.e. the largest shareholder/controlling interest) in these companies is the federal government. The government owns the shares and makes the laws for the sole purpose of turning a profit. To better understand government’s role in corporate Amerika, go to http://www.cafr1.com
Bill

Another great post, Jay,
You seem to have a head on your shoulders. I only pay for health insurance for castostropic and I do the rest of my healing using naturalpaths. California did pass a law giving them more powers (even a blind squirrel finds an acorn), which helps me a bit.

I am currently using prolozone for a ligament strain that I got at the gym and it is working quite well.

That is why Obamacare is destined for failure. They are taking a “drug for symtom” healing system and making it less efficient and more cumbersome. It is like taking a barely running Yugo and trying to make it a race car. It is probably part of their agenda 21 plan to kill off a majority of the population.

Mike in MI

Bill and
WTS/JAY

Both of you have some really great posts this week end pst. Thanks friends, scientists, fellow believers and patriots.

2forEnglish

Hello Everyone – I have a couple of things to say on the topic of the Sandy Hook Perpetrator – as well as the issue of pharmaceutical drug reactions and the lack of accountability on the part of the prescribers.

First of all, I would like to point out that as far as the speculation regarding Nancy Lanza’s role in her son’s life…well…….. we actually have NO FACTS on that. By all reports though, Mrs. Lanza has been described as a woman who actually gave up everything to stay in that house and be with her son at all times. She had a special needs son and most of her time was spent overseeing his schooling (when he was in school), his welfare in the home, and searching for whatever means of treatment would benefit her son. Mrs. Lanza used to be a stock broker, Mr. Lanza was a tax specialist and still IS, and the brother – Ryan apparently followed in his father’s footsteps and also became a tax specialist, as he reached adulthood. It appears that Mrs. Lanza gave up her career to oversee her son Adam’s special needs – and quite possibly the stress of having a special needs child is what ended the Lanza marriage. The latest report which came out and has since been suppressed – stated that Nancy Lanza, after much rejection from the system – and aggravation due to CT state HIPPA laws……..was in the process of trying to place her son Adam in an assisted living facility specifically for individuals with Autism Spectrum Disorder (that would include Asperger’s Syndrome). The reports indicated that the paperwork had been signed and that Adam Lanza was very unhappy about, and perhaps terrified at the prospect of being placed in a controlled environment. If this is in fact what was going on……… this would provide a possible motivation for Adam Lanza to kill his mother, because he was very angry with her – for what he perceived to be her pursuing to lock him up. The same report made mention of Nancy Lanza’s tie to the school, but as I said………. the report was quickly suppressed and I am afraid to publish further info because at best it is only speculation, and at worst it is false information. I saw and heard the information about Mrs. Lanza trying to commit her son – several times from several sources, whereas – the information about the tie in with the school, was only heard ONCE and only from one source.

Before I address the next topic, I would just like to point out one more thing. During this period of information gathering on the part of the investigators, as WE sit on the outside and speculate………….. if anyone is prone to place the blame on the mother, please be equally willing to place the blame on the father – for he was this guy’s parent as well and as we don’t have any proof of anything either way, it is only fair that the father be considered as every bit “the culprit” – as those inclined to blame the mother – say she IS! I have seen so much judgement being directed at this woman who ACTUALLY was the parent who played an active role in Adam Lanza’s life. By the way……… all of the opinions I just expressed come ONLY while operating under the theory that this was IN FACT……….. a random event.

I will address the other topic in a separate post, as this is quite long and it is my first time attempting to post here – so I want to see if it works.
Chester

Might want to know who made LSD available to the psychiatrists and psychologists. That was originally experimented with by none other than the United States Army, then they decided it didn’t do what they wanted. Really ought to talk to Dr. Timothy Leary about LSD, as he is the one who popularized it, although the stuff is easy enough to produce most college chemistry labs were making it on the side. And do hate to argue with ladies, but a psychiatrist IS a MEDICAL DOCTOR. Seems you have to do the whole MD thing, plus a few years of specialized study to become a psychiatrist. Psychology is in the same field, but without the medical studies, so psychologist can NOT prescribe most medications, in most states.

Karolyn

Timothy Leary has been dead a long time.

http://www.facebook.com/jerry.pettibone Jerry Pettibone

That’s nice……
deerinwater

As I understand it, he was cremated and shot into space. He’s all over the globe by now.

Mike in MI

Mr. Bob Livingston -
Thank you, sir. You, and your staff, are truly a gem(s). All of you have exceptionally well developed alimentary systems, investigational aptitudes and I’ll bet your staff meetings include lots of yuckity-yucks.
By any and all means have a marvelous and rewarding New Year. I’m sure your work will continue to inspire, direct, inform, teach, guide, entertain and (in some cases) be the cause of some gastric blood-letting and auriculo-ocular hemorrhages.
God bless in the name of Jesus Christ.

http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear Mike in MI,

Thank you very much.

Best wishes,
Bob

CA

Nice article, just a few minor proof reading flaws such as on # 6 “tread ADHD” should be treat ADHD, #5 produce bizarre behavior not “products bizarre behavior”
Bill

It is all about cash flow for the doctors and drug companies with the FDA as their paid shill.

I was talking to my friend from Korea, and we were discussing ADD in schools. He said they do not have ADD in Korea, they have discipline.

They create new syndromes and new drugs for them just to create more cash flow, not to help you. Just follow the money

http://www.facebook.com/jerry.pettibone Jerry Pettibone

I, too, have a friend from Korea. He says the same thing.
FreedomFighter

Having had a Korean Karate Master as a young man guide me to become a black belt — he believed in discipline for the most minor infractions – and this back b4 anyone gave a snot about kids getting hit. The man was a master of inflicting non-damaging pain.

One time I asked him why he was so strict>>

He said, “I will not gift my skills and knowledge to create killers/murders of men with evil in thier hearts, nor will I gift those that would become thugs.”

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

deerinwater

I have some experience myself, ~ other than putting hair there no such thing as non damaging pain. ~ It’s just a question of the amount of pressure and force applied as to how damaging it might be.

All students are taught to control the force applied and even then, students get hurt. If you hurt a fellow student, it will be his turn to defend and you get to play the aggressor tomorrow. He and the rest of his buddies will remember you.

At the core of any fighting style is the control of ones own self and the administering of rapid,crippling pain when found necessary.
Mike in MI

deerinoverhishead –
Your an —wrong. Just because medicine thinks and has brain washed you into thinking all pain comes from trauma or tissue damage or disease…It’s maddeningly stupid and destructive and has been known to be wrong scientifically for a long time.
You don’t believe me. They’ve got you brainwashed. So, go look up the 2 volume medical text by Janet Travell, MD and David Simons, MD: “Myofacial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual”. These things, muscular trigger points, cause some of the worst agony it is possible to experience. They can be incapacitating, even make you an invalid. They know drugs can’t heal them. So, they get you hoping… and give you drugs for it. Medical Doctors have an absolutely dismal record dealing with these things. But, the system won’t let them break ranks.
Why? In aggregate costs to the whole national expense account these always come in first or second. There are about 5 things that cause this disruption of any muscle in the body. They cause not only pain but many, many ‘nerve’ disorders and one of the most common is insomnia. Yup. Just closing your eyes is not enough to put you to sleep. If you’ve got pain signals flooding into the brain – even if you can’t feel them (yes, that is possible) – you will not sleep very much or good. Don’t believe me? Go see a massage therapist to see where you’ve got pain centers you can’t feel. Then, take your mind numbing pills and gut wrecking (liver and lungs, too) anti-inflammatories and throw them at the Dr.s . . . waste basket(?), I guess. You might, also, consider a broad based supplementation program.
No, you don’t have to! I just thought I’d mention it if you want to deal with the stupid pain problem, dumb a……ummy.
deerinwater

I know no one by that name Mike in MI. ~ and the thrush of your argument is illusive.

Apply enough pressure on trigger points and nerve roots resulting damage can be long lasting.
Mike in MI

deerinoverhishead -
Why, of courthe, how could I be scthuch a thilly-boy? Goo’neth umpty me – - – YOU are right of courche, bi-i-hi-hig gu-u-huy.
Like if I put enough pressure on your adam’s apple? Ultimately it could lead to brain damage?
By the way, snooky-wookums, how could you go and let somebody apply ischemic digital pressure to your parathyroid glands lately – - -hm-m-m-m? Try me sometime.
Never mind, I hate these on-line thingys.
deerinwater

Stick to pulling hair and biting and you’ll be safe.
Mike in MI

Or, deer -
Is it possible the vertebra AT THAT ROOT was laterally or rotationally displaced (caused by trauma, chemicals or emotions) enough to alter fluid dynamics or stretch the nerve root and damage it from chronic disturbance of CSF flow and/or venous damming? Then those factors led to the malfunction of the axoplasmic flow mechanism organelles in the nerve fibers, and then,in the end organ resulting in – - – ta-rahrah-t-t-trum-ptah-tum . . . . tah-ahrig-g-g-gah points. The trigger points typically result in local pain during the acute stage. After a little bit they go into a latent stage during which progressive deterioration proceeds along with intermittent painful acute periods and painless latent stages.
At some point in the latencies the body starts to distribute its distress by producing different manifestations of pain or neurologic dysfunction at a remote referred pain/malfunction site in the body. These referred pain/malfunction sites can become absolutely intractable, unremitting and unresponsive to any treatment – BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM IS BEING AVOIDED IN FAVOR OF FRUITLESS, SYMPTOMATIC THERAPEUSIS.
Ah-H-Ha! You say, “But, medical science has no studies proving the existence of such a hare-brained schematic.”
Surely true, because they threw all the studies they did away – after they couldn’t get the result they wanted and tried like crazy to produce . . . in order for them to be “medically acceptable” studies.

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Absolutely correct, Bill. Unfortunately, a considerable number of north-Americans are devoid of critical-thinking and would rather believe in medical, fairy-tales ie…its not your fault, “you are ill”, therefore, you are not responsible, then to take responsibility for their own lives and actions. Much easier that way, i suppose, less thinking involved. It seems that thinking, questioning and researching facts, is considered by most who place their faith and fate in the hands of the pharmaceutical-vampires, to be too labour-intensive, and therefore, they parish! How the pharmaceutical-cartel managed to garner such a massive following of dumb-sheep is no mystery. The propaganda-tool is a tool used effectively not only by Governments and media, but by other reprehensible-elements as well!

deerinwater

Well, for what it’s worth, ADD and Bipolar are real conditions. Is it possible to beat or penalize a child or any person into submission? I would think so, they would appear to cope and conform while the condition would still exist. The human mind is a large place to get lost.

Are these conditions used as a crutch ? Most certainly , in one way or another.
Bill

Hi Jay
Another one of my life mentors is a concentration camp survivor. He went into the camps at 12 and was the only member of his family to walk out alive. He has told me many stories of what it was like and he even wrote a book.

There is an old saying: “it is not the stuation that causes stress, it is how you perceive it”. He seems like a very balanced person and he says that after he was liberated from the camps, he has never had a bad day.

So for all you Attention Deficit people, PAY ATTENTION!!!
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Deer: ADD and Bipolar are real conditions.

Really? How do you know this? Do you have children, deer? ADD is a real condition?Don’t you think it a bit odd that all children have short attention spans and are easily distracted? Yes! Then by all means, lets administer Ritalin to every child on planet! Ridiculous!

Bipolar? That’s a good one. Don’t you think it odd that we all experience ups and downs? Are you not at times up, and at times down, or are you always just right? Is it not supposed to be that way? Yes! Then let’s administer psycho-tropic drugs to every human on the planet! Ridiculous!
http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

Bill, would you mind sharing your friends name? Its possible that i may have read him. If you do mot wish to reveal his name, i will understand. Btw, you are very fortunate to have met him!
deerinwater

WTS/JAY says:

“Deer: ADD and Bipolar are real conditions.

Really? How do you know this? Do you have children, deer? ADD is a real condition?”

I say;

Yes Jay, I do. I have been confronted with such things on several occasions, not so much with my own children but the second wife or girlfriends and their children.

Bi Polar people are fun people, but hard on the heart as their decision making process is flawed while outwardly they appear quite normal. They can appeal normal for weeks.

In my early adult years I would never thought such condition existed either Jay and understand your scoffing of the notion that such mental conditions do exist. I’d been the first to say, “People need to get a grip on themselves and quit making up excuses for bad behavior”,

Try living with a beautiful Bi Polar woman a few years and see if it’s not the ride of your life, something you will never forget and never wish to repeat. Bi polar people do not like to take their meds. They don’t like the way it makes them feel and if they don’t take their meds they can’t hold down a job, be a friend or devout lover or a constructive family member. They are little more then a child in a candy store and getting into everything inside their reach.

My current lady of great importance has a 34 year old son that is Bi Polar , so indirectly I am still contending with Bi Polar today. He is a good boy, very bright, but completely irresponsible, cannot provide for his wife and son as they all live with the mother that bore him and has spent many thousand of dollars in his early years looking for a cure. ~ She is stuck with him by virtue of a grandchild and bringing a boy child into the world.

( Actually, It works for me, ~ at 65 , I have a 54 year old, 122 pound girlfriend that wears a size 1 dress and I’m not required to go to her house and see her everyday, I won’t put up with him) In getting older, we learn to make the best of a bad situation.

As for ADD,

They have a new drug out for ADD now. I forget the name, one of my surgical nurse friends exposed me too a few weeks ago. Myself , I’m not normally exposed to such things except by association ~ It’s address the symptoms associated with ADD and permits ADD patients to focus and behave in a normal, acceptable fashion. But if you take this tiny pill and do not have ADD , you will not sleep for three days and three nights. There is no euphoria, there is no rapid heart beat, no jitters or coffee buzz, just 72 hours of consciousness and zero anxiety.

If anyone can take such a drug and sleep , clearly something is going on in their body that most people don’t share.

So, ~ now you have heard from the trenches, mental disorders varies, fades in and out and are vary real. I do not have a clue what Adam Lanza mother was dealing with, she could have been as crazy as a $hithouse Rat herself, ~who knows? Mental Disorders can hide. One looking from the outside ~in , you would never suspect it.

deerinwater

Forgive me for getting off topic ~ medicated ~ are a hazard as well, and the two don’t mix.
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Every American who is prescribed a drug by a physician has the belief that that pill has undergone rigorous trials to scrutinize its safety. And when there are known potential adverse effects, we blindly assume these are known to the attending physician.

However, this is a myth perpetuated not only by drug makers, but by our own federal health agencies. A 2003 investigation published in The Independent in the UK reported that “under pressure from the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA routinely conceals information it considers commercially sensitive, leaving medical specialists unable to assess the true risks [of approved drugs].”

One case involved a very popular over-the-counter drug, the painkiller ibuprofen. The investigators’ search uncovered concealed data showing that ibuprofen increased heart attack risks by 25 percent. Even Freedom of Information (FOI) filings to the FDA do not produce all the information being requested.

For example, a group of Swiss investigators filed an FOI to procure trial data about the musculoskeletal pain drug Celecoxib and received back only 16 of the 27 trials conducted on it. A separate FOI concerning a similar drug, Valdecoxib, had pages and paragraphs deleted because sections of the document were marked as “trade secrets.” An even worse case involving a leaked report concerning internal memos and secret FDA reports provided detailed evidence that the FDA approved 9 different antidepressants, representing a total of 22 studies enrolling 4,250 children, while knowing full well that the risk of “suicide-related events” was twice as high as children taking a placebo. These are just several examples among numerous others.

The pharmaceutical industrial complex is perhaps the largest, most influential cartel in the world. This becomes evident after considering the billions of dollars and other currencies drug companies have been forced to pay for a wide variety of corruption charges. Our analysis of 724 legal settlements from a random sampling among the over one hundred thousand by pharmaceutical corporations totally $87 billion is just a small indication about how pervasive Big Pharma’s criminality since the vast majority of settlements are concluded outside of court and remain confidential.

It is extremely difficult to comprehend why the United States’ principle federal health agencies, particularly the FDA and National Institutes of Health (NIH), with the specific mandate to provide oversight on all pre-approved drug applications and delegated with the task to assure drugs are safe or at least specify clearly their known dangers, are so reprehensible and inept. There is only one rational answer and that is the pharmaceutical industry is the FDA’s largest client, and this relationship goes much deeper than the FDA functioning as an objective regulator investigating pharmaceutical products before being released upon the American population. It is not to far afield to suggest that as it stands now the US regulatory agencies are an extension of corporate America.

As serial offenders of product safety cover-ups for over a decade, drugs have injured and killed millions. In the case Merck’s Vioxx, this one drug has killed 44,000 people and injured 120,000 others.

Only in America could you kill 44,000 and not go to jail and get a raise. Should we assume, therefore, that the pharmaceutical complex should be trusted without challenge?

We have also been asked to believe that the manufacturers were guided by a sense of public service. But when examining the top ten drugs sold, the facts reveal otherwise. In one example, manufacturers marked up a drug an astounding 500,000% over its equivalent generic version. Six other drugs were marked up 2000%.

Pharmaceutical companies make profits higher than oil companies.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/henderson-null1.1.1.html

Mike in MI

Well, WTS/JAY -
What would you expect since so much of all this goes back to the grand master of evil, John D. Rockefeller, and all those long-chain hydro-carbons he was pumping from various derricks all around. When he found out that they could be transformed into new compounds that influence bodily functions…we-heh-h-ell, it seemed he was on to something. “Public works” is thought to be a family trait. Don’cha know they been workin’ on the public ever since.
Why, he even joined the Baptist Church and got them to thinking God doesn’t heal anymore. He gave us “science” to do that now — and DOCTORS. Praise the Lh’(stifled) – Doctors. Paid for ‘em to change the teachings about that stuff, too, once he bought his seat on the board. Anyway, spiritual healings pretty much went out of fashion. Either that or such news was strangely suppressed, maybe. Anyway, evidence of God manifesting Himself among men kinda wasn’t pulpit stuff – except to relate it to devils.
Sum reesin ehr ‘nother id idn’t seem ta chiange ‘im much. I think he quit after a bit.

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Yes Michael, you are absolutely correct! But Mr. Rockefeller isn’t the only player in the pharmaceutical-monopoly. In fact, there are only 2 players in the monopoly; Rockefeller cartel, and the i.G. Farben cartel.

Here’s a brief history of the Pharma-Cartel.

Unfortunately, you need to type-in “The history of the Pharma-Cartel” as my comment, due to the link attached, is rejected by site-filter.

deerinwater

Well, there is all kinds of reasoning that we can apply to defend ANY thing we wish to defend and “guns” are no exception. ~ But it’s not guns but the use of guns we need to be discussing. Guns can’t be used if they can’t be accessed.

In this particular case. ~ these “guns” was accessed and used by person that was a threat to himself and those around him. Neither the guns or this individual were contained properly.

A recent joint study conducted by the Dept. of Health and the Dept. of Motor Vehicles concluded that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related.

This means 77% of all accidents are caused by people that drink bottled water, Star Buck coffee. soda and energy drinks, etc.

Therefore beware of people who do not drink alcohol.

FreedomFighter

false premise, psyho-active drugs alter human perception, mood and print plainly on the bottle or pill case — may cause suicide feelings, anger, depression….etc etc

again crawl back under your slimy progressive rock deer, everything you say is Bravo Sierra

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

deerinwater

Even Freedom Fighter can justify his abusive tongue. ~ I am a conservative that rarely agrees with you SIR. But I do not label you, in an attempt to debase you.

And of course the premises was false, much like many of your accusations you feel inclined and justified is spreading when it serves your purpose.

So tell us Freedom Fighter, just what freedom are you fighting for today? There are many who know ?

How about the First Amendment?
FreedomFighter

Im sorry I called you a “deer” but it is in your name…your slimy progressive rock is waiting.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Vicki

Deerinwater says:
“Guns can’t be used if they can’t be accessed.”

And with their primary purpose and use being defensive this would be a SERIOUS problem. Not only would the police be at a severe disadvantage but the average citizen who uses guns ~2.5 MILLION times each year in defensive situations would be at a serious tactical disadvantage.

Deerinwater: “In this particular case. ~ these “guns” was accessed and used by person that was a threat to himself and those around him. Neither the guns or this individual were contained properly. ”

How could he be contained properly? The government had created GUN-FREE Zones where the average citizen’s guns CAN’T be accessed.

These situations prove the old adage “when guns are outlawed (gun free zone) only outlaws will have guns.”

The astute reader will notice he was actually contained properly if a bit late. By people WITH GUNS in a gun-free zone.

It was a bit late for the 27 who died and those who were wounded but we have warned many times that when SECONDS count the police are only minutes away.

Mike in MI

Good one Vicki, in response to the resident “evitavresnoc”.
Gotta be the strangest case of lefticism ever seen. He somehow seems to start with conservative positions and terms and then argues them in a circle, ending up somewhere east of Hairy Reed.
deerinwater

Well Vicky, ~ I served in a combat zone. ~ and we still managed to secured our weapons. ~ When a soldier was not serving “Picket” (Guard duty) our weapons was secured inside base encampment. They were chained up. Now when we were in the field we were married to them.

This notion of rapid response has to include and insure security of weapons. Lines of defense and protocol is a must. ~ It’s for gun owner to establish there lines of defense. Buy yourself the time to address security.

and I will agree , any notion of a “gun free zone” is no defense at all.

I have not problem with weapons as long as they are hidden for plain sight and secured.

Get creative and for Pete sakes don’t leave a pistol on the night stand by your bed.
Vicki

deerinwater says:
“Well Vicky, ~ I served in a combat zone. ~ and we still managed to secured our weapons. ~ When a soldier was not serving “Picket” (Guard duty) our weapons was secured inside base encampment. They were chained up. Now when we were in the field we were married to them.”

And when were there no guards on duty?
deerinwater

“He somehow seems to start with conservative positions and terms and then argues them in a circle, ending up somewhere east of Hairy Reed.”

You are an overacting zealot extremest Mike. ~ capable of burning down the barn to get rid of a few rats and then blame the rats for having no barn.

It’s about employing the correct language Mike. Persons that are demented, deranged or adulterated with mind altering substances or have not been fully qualified MUST be denied access to weapons. That should not be to hard to understand or accept.

If I housed a demented child, I would be irresponsible and liable for failing to securing my weapons. This mother subscribed to “fear”, to social collapse and prepared for it in her own foolish way and now she it dead, as is her son and 27 other souls. And you don’t see a problems that if everyone carrying weapons can not cure? She trusted her child and she should have not, for her enemy was within her home.

So ~ it takes a few seconds to produce your weapon, ~ use your head for something besides a hat rack. This thinking that if every citizen was Dirty Harry might cure the world is nonsense.

While I have various weapons hide and secured in various places, when I had young ones at home I did not. ~ as far as anyone knew.

It’s not rocket surgery, simply prudence. Don’t allow your impulsive thoughts to incite you to poor judgement like this dead mother.

I am 100% in favor of professional armed security wherever it’s seen a needed. I’m in favor of facility being armed as long as there is an established alarm protocol, a securing method for weapons and mandatory 15 hours of professional range training every year.
deerinwater

Vicki ask; “And when were there no guards on duty?

There were never such a time Vicky, posted guard going on 24/7 356 days a year.

In the base encampment of Chu Chi it took about 80 soldiers pulling 24 hour rotating shifts, and the Officer of the Day oversaw placement. We were all on a revolving “Duty Roster” including the Officer of the Day.

We drew out basic issue weapons and ammo. Depending on alert status and pending threat and how the Officer of the Day which to employ , we could and were issued bigger and badder weapons along with Night Vision in the course of the shift while one 50cal. were always solidly mounted in machine gun towers and two M60′s per bunker.

We mixed it up in a effort to break a pattern for obvious reason. Then too, we could have friendlys down range or LP’s posted (listening post)

Everything was inventoried at the end of each shift , including brass and ammo.

In this way, ~ we all managed to enjoy a life of work and routine except for the occasional rocket attack or some soldier violating protocol ,

But while in the field, or convey guard~ we married our weapons and watched our buddies back.
Vicki

deerinwater says:
“Vicki ask; “And when were there no guards on duty?

There were never such a time Vicky, posted guard going on 24/7 356 days a year. ”

Good. So are you suggesting that gun owners hire guards to march around the house 24/7?
Mike in MI

dearyinwatertoodeep -
UHM-m… yes, no doubt about it, I guess. You call me an extremist. Charged with being a Bible reading son of God tradionalist, flag, mom and apple pie America lover – - – GUILTY.

And you? What does one call someone who happily hands an army, air force, navy, marine corps and power to issue Executive Orders into the hands of a narcissistic megalomaniac? ………..SANE?
deerinwater

mike say;”And you? What does one call someone who happily hands an army, air force, navy, marine corps and power to issue Executive Orders into the hands of a narcissistic megalomaniac? ………..SANE?”

I say, Any person that cannot control their desire to make small sport of another person’s name is a child and whatever else they maybe, one left only to consider the source.
deerinwater

Vicky says, “Good. So are you suggesting that gun owners hire guards to march around the house 24/7?”

I am suggesting gun owner take into consideration of the “threat”, the liability and their environment and secure their weapons accordingly if they are to accept responsibility of ownership.

It’s not a novel idea and has been done for hundreds of years by gun owners. This is a practice that society has assumed to take place and has not been address by law makers.

Must the smallest of details be mandated?

Bad men do not need to buy guns when they can steal them easily. Unsupervised children do not need access to weapons. So what is at the root of your argument Vicky?
Mike in MI

Deerinwater -
You’re right. It isn’t right to mess with your name when it seems to make you so upset. I apologize and won’t do it to you anymore. I’ll even capitalize it if it’s OK. I have come to realize that there is not really a necessity. After reading you for a while it has become clear that all one need do to satirize you is engage you in discussion.
Your responses, and a little time considering your texts, potential typos, intentional mistakes (for later disclaimers) and gaffes (like the 356 days a year you had perimeter guards posted at Cu Chi – - – ???vacation days???) speak pricelessly for themselves,
So I appreciate you.
Mike in MI

Deerinwater – Cu Chi???
Wasn’t Cu Chi one of the in-country resorts where guns were locked up to protect newly minted, full-of-themselves-idiotic, officers from getting fragged?

Drake Elliott

To be completely honest here I am on amphetamines for ADD and yes I have a legitimate case of it. I don’t ever feel angry when I on it or moody or anything else. My case may not be as severe as others but still I am on it. When I am not on it I do have a tendency to become angry and frustrated due to the actual disease itself. The only side effect that I have when I am on my Anti-ADD meds is dry mouth and I combat that with drinking a lot of water and other fluids. But going back now to when I miss a couple of days I do get a little angry usually due to frustration as I said before but I would never go and kill a bunch of people because I am on it. I just deal with it. The biggest problem with a lot of these drugs is that because the child is acting a little odd or wild the parents automatically think there is something wrong with the kid when in fact the kid is being a kid or maybe just a little bit odd thats all. Not to be an anti marijuana advocate but if you were to ask half of the parent or maybe even all of the parents of these mass murderers if they may have smoked pot or worse when they were pregnant I am willing to bet that half of them would say yes they smoked pot or some other type of drug. My main blame is on the parents themselves anyways and also on the people who pull the triggers. A lot of parents usually don’t spend enough time with their children or guid them through things and this is one of the reasons this happens in my opinion. It’s some of the same reasons that automobile accidents occur more with younger drivers it’s partly because of inexperience but also because the parents don’t take the time to teach their children properly. When I was learning to drive my mother started me off in a parking lot the day I got my permit. Then she let moved me up to driving on the open road and so on. Every time we would go somewhere I was the one who had to drive. That is what I call guidance and that’s what my parents always did they guided me enough to the point where I knew what was expected of me. It all started when I was very young.
FreedomFighter

Big pharma — lawyers, drugs and money

Its kinda simple — drugs alter human behaviour, we see it every day, thats why they take the prozac and other drugs…IMHO big pharma drugs are more liable for the killings than any gun and actually created the killer.

drugs kill, big pharma supplies drugs.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi
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REHAB FRAUD: PSYCHIATRY’S DRUG SCAM

First of all, consider psychiatrists’ long-term propagation of dangerous drugs as “harmless”:

In the 1960s, psychiatrists made LSD not only acceptable, but an “adventure” to tens of thousands of college students, promoting the false concept of improving life through “recreational,” mind-altering drugs.

In 1967, US psychiatrists met to discuss the role of drugs in the year 2000. Influential New York psychiatrist Nathan Kline, who served on committees for the US National Institute of Mental Health and the World Health Organization stated, “In principle, I don’t see that drugs are any more abnormal than reading, music, art, yoga, or twenty other things—if you take a broad point of view.”

In 1973, University of California psychiatrist, Louis J. West, wrote, “Indeed a debate may soon be raging among some clinical scientists on the question of whether clinging to the drug-free state of mind is not an antiquated position for anyone—physician or patient—to hold.”

In the 1980s, Californian psychiatric drug specialist, Ronald K. Siegel, made the outrageous assertion that being drugged is a basic human “need,” a “fourth drive” of the same nature as sex, hunger and thirst.

In 1980, a study in the Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry claimed that, “taken no more than two or three times per week, cocaine creates no serious problems.”
According to the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration’s office in Connecticut, the false belief that cocaine was not addictive contributed to the dramatic rise in its use in the 1980s.

In 2003, Charles Grob, director of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California Harbor Medical Center believed that Ecstasy (hallucinogenic street drug) was potentially “good medicine” for treating alcoholism and drug abuse.

Today, drug regulatory agencies all over the world approve clinical trials for the use of hallucinogenic drugs to handle anything from anxiety to alcoholism, despite the drugs being known to cause psychosis.

The failure of the war against drugs is largely due to the failure to stop ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS DRUG PUSHERS OF ALL TIME: THE PSYCHIATRIST. The sad irony is that he has also established himself in positions enabling him to control the drug rehab field, even though he can show no results for the billions awarded by governments and legislatures.

Governments, groups, families, and individuals that continue to accept his FALSE INFORMATION and drug rehabilitation techniques, do so at their own peril. The odds overwhelmingly predict that they will fail in every respect.

http://www.cchr.org/cchr-reports/rehab-fraud/introduction.html
banshee

Do we even know whether Adam Lanza was taking his meds?

Nadzieja Batki

We don’t know unless Lanza was tested for what was in his system and there may not be tests for identifying what drugs were in his system or the tests are expensive and time consuming.

http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

They would know that from an autopsy. Apparently there were “therapeutic levels” in Eric Harris’ system (one of the kids who shot up Columbine) when his body was autopsied. The other kid’s (Dylan Klebold) autopsy was sealed from the public, but I believe his parents did reveal that he was on an anti-depressant.
http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

I would be amazed if the results of Adam Lanza’s autopsy were made public. But – there’s always the alternative media….

CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

THANK YOU, “banshee!”

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Unfortunately, billions spent on psychiatry are worse than wasted. One look at our schools or any of the other areas psychiatry promised to improve – and not only failed to improve, but actually made worse – serves as proof.

Psychiatry’s promise that its programs would prevent mental “illness” is of interest. At the turn of the century, less than one in 1,000 people were considered mentally ill.

After psychiatry secured massive funding increases in the 1960s for “preventive mental health” programs, that number jumped to one in ten.

Today, psychiatrists claim that half of the population are candidates for their couches, drugs or electric shock tables.

Herein lies the basic fraud – the concept of mental illness itself. According to author and professor of psychiatry emeritus, Thomas Szasz, M.D., mental illness itself is a MYTH. “A disease is a change in tissues rather than behavior,” he said. “Behavior is in the realm of morals, religion and law.”

Psychiatry, therefore, is an instrument of social control, masquerading as medical science.

“Mental illness” is an extension of German psychologist Wilhelm Wundt’s proposition that man has no soul. Though Wundt had no proof of his theory, what he advanced in the 19th century has been a linchpin of the psychiatric industry ever since. And today, a century and billions of research dollars later, psychiatry is still trying to prove this position.

“Psychiatric hospitals, psychiatric wings of general hospitals, and addiction treatment centers are still largely trolling for customers who have insurance.”
– Joe Sharkey

This fact was affirmed in March 1996 by Rex Cowdry, the then director of the National Institute of Mental Health. Cowdry was called before a subcommittee of the Committee on Appropriations of the U.S. House of Representatives to explain the vast sums wasted on absurd projects by NIMH. These, he said, were necessary because: “We don’t know the causes [of mental illness]. We don’t have the methods of ‘curing’ these illnesses yet.”

Psychiatrists have also failed to prove the existence of these maladies, but this detail has not prevented the list of “illnesses” from growing each year. In 1952, the American Psychiatric Association published its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM). It listed 112 mental disorders, up from seven in 1880.

In 1968, the manual was revised and called the DSM-II. It listed 163 mental disorders, including a whole new category of “Behavior Disorders of Childhood and Adolescence.”

These new ailments – each of which could be considered a “handicap” – appeared shortly after psychiatry procured federal funding for treating handicapped children.

Commentary in the DSM-II revealed that the listed “disorders” had not been established by scientific evidence but by a committee which voted on whether they existed. Later versions of the DSM used this same “scientific” criterion – “electing” new disorders.

When the DSM-IV was published in 1994, the number of mental disorders listed jumped to 374. While this manual provides an extensive list of mental disorders, it admits that no definition specifies precise boundaries for the concept of a “mental disorder.”

http://psychfraud.freedommag.org/page04a.htm

Karolyn

There are people with imbalances in their brain and brain misfunction which will cause mental illness. Food allergies can also affect people mentally.
http://www.wholeapproach.com/newsletter/archives/2003/04_April.html

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Psychiatry is not a medical science. It is based on fraud and deception. It is nothing more than voodoo administered by crack-pots and unscrupulous idiots!
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Karolyn: There are people with imbalances in their brain and brain misfunction which will cause mental illness.

Mental illness is a “fairy-tale” invented by German psychologist Wilhelm Wundt who claimed man has no soul!
Nancy in Nebraska

WTS/JAY, you say mental illness is a fairy tale. YOU ARE WRONG!!! It’s causes and treatments may be debatable but it’s existence is NOT!!!
Karolyn

Jay – Obviously, you have had no experience with someone close to you being mentally ill olived or, for that matter, ANYBODY with mental illness. I have lived with it and been a close friend and mentor to people who suffer from it. Reading the words of people who actually may be mentally ill themselves and itellectually taking them for gospel is a lot different than hands-on experience.
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Mental illness as defined by psychiatry is definitely a fairy-tale, Nancy! If disease is a change in tissue(s), how do pysco-tropic drugs ameliorate the condition, Nancy? If mental illness truly is a disease, then surgery, not pysco-tropic drugs should be the method of
treatment. Pscyco-tropic drugs affect behaviour, they do nothing to remedy biological
anomalies!
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Karolyn: Obviously, you have had no experience with someone close to you being mentally ill olived or, for that matter, ANYBODY with mental illness.

This is where you are wrong and have assumed too much, Karolyn. One of my best friends has been on psycho-tropic drugs for the last 35 years. Prior to that, he was absolutely normal. One of his unique characteristics, as far as i was concerned, was his vivid and colourful imagination. For some reason, this was a concern to his parents, who thought it best that he should undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Naturally and predictably, the “Quack” that examined him diagnosed him with suffering “mental illness”. The “Quacks” proof? ZERO!!! For the last 35 years, he has been on “Voodoo-meds”, and has not and cannot function, period! He is considered completely disabled and is on permanent, government-assistance. Yet, prior to his diagnosis, he managed to accomplish impressive educational achievements, held a full-time job, was ranked #2 in Tea-Kwon-do in North-America, and was happily married. Now, thanks to the “Medical Quackery” we call psychiatry, he is a vegetable, and completely disabled! And he is just one, example i could site you. Don’t tell me i know not of what i speak of, Karolyn.
Karolyn

Jay – A man I lived with for five years was diagnosed as a schizophrenic. He heard voices. He was extremely talented; taught himself how to play guitar, flute and violin. He wrote poetry and songs, and everybody loved him. We had one really good year when he was on a medication that stabilized him, and he was even able to work. unfortunately, the side effects of the medication bothered him too much and he went off it. On time, while at the mental health center, he went outside in the middle of town, took his clothes off and stretched his arms to the sky. I spent hours finding a bed in a hospital for him. He became increasingly unstable until he started to get violent with me and was eventually arrested for that violence. They could not even find a proper combination of medications to keep him “normal,” and he didn’t want them anyway. He resorted to self medication via alcohol. I had to listen to his torment day in and day out. He told me the only time he felt good was in the shower, and he showered several times a day. I would listen to him upstairs by himself arguing with the voices in his head and crying. It was heart-wrenching. He had been hospitalized several times and was finally put into a state institution because he admitted to the doctors that the voices were telling him to harm himself or someone else. He subsequently became homeless; and I recently found out that he died in ’07 at the age of 58. Now you are telling me there is no such thing as mental illness. I suppose he just made himself this way? I sponsored several people in AA who had diagnoses because no one else would bother with them. Their lives were pitiful, even the one whose family was wealthy. They placed her in a state-of-the-art halfway house that used nutrition and other methods besides medication; however, it was very difficult to even hold a normal conversation with her. She led a very unhappy life. I don’t care what your experts say; mental illness does exist. You should know that I am not a drug proponent; however, there are times when they are the only method to use in order to have a person live a somewhat stable life. I could tell more stories; however, I think I have made my point.
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Karolyn: Now you are telling me there is no such thing as mental illness.

Mental illness as defined by Psychiatry? Absolutely not! Did the man suffer from a physical anomaly? Possibly… but why restrict diagnosis to the physical as the only explanation for deviant-behaviour? If “physical illness” is always the explanation as to why people behave abnormally, we will eventually relegate all deviant-behaviour to a physical abnormality, and divest all, regardless of behaviour, from personal responsibility! Are you aware, Karolyn, that there is no room for God or his laws and principles in the horrid profession of psychiatry? It is the classic example of the blind and the sick, leading the blind and the sick! Is it any wonder no one ever gets healed?
Kate8

I think there are ample evidence of mental disorders which have always been around. In times past they were called demon possessions.

There is also no doubt that they are far more prevalent today, and for many reasons. I would say that environmental chemical exposure and gross deficiencies play a major role, as well as things like mercury and other toxins in vaccines which everyone receives from birth, insuring that the child never reaches his full potential.

Add some TV and other mind control, and you have the perfect recipe for mal-adjustment.

We don’t learn to interact with others in the caring capacity that we used to. We don’t respect life nor have a sense of a higher Consciousness. We are ‘as in the days of Noah’, when all flesh had been corrupted.

We have the opportunity now to choose which direction to go from here. The time the Harvest is rapidly approaching, it would seem.
Mike in MI

K88 -
Exactly and eloquently correct. However, mental problems may be generated by either physical causes, spiritual causes or childhood training. The difficult thing is you can get extremely similar behavioral characteristics from one cause to the others.
No matter what the cause is the afflicted individual must have the desire and personal discipline to change and get delivered. Since drugs tend to deaden brain functions they seldom can add anything to the process. They tend only to mask the affliction’s symptoms and suppress sick activities by screwing with brain centers that may not be awry.
If the cause is spiritual the best hope of delivering spiritual causes is getting rid of the spirit by a properly trained believer who knows how to operate the power of God.Then the person who has been fixed needs to want to learn how to keep control of his own mind by becoming a faithful disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise, the whole thing will start all over again. Once it’s gone, keep it out. Time, effort, faithfuness and leadership are required.
(It makes no difference how many letters the minister has following his name. Jesus Christ didn’t have ANY professional certification. He just believed God.)
Mike in MI

BTW, It has been learned they had a copy of the O.T. scrolls in Nazreth. That would be where he got his primary education about his life’s purpose and how to carry it out. He found out about God’s will for his life by personally studying in depth the scriptures available to and written for him.
If he is supposed to be our example how can it be any less for us if we want to know God’s will for us. Course if you don’t want to know, just be satisfied with potpourri and don’t get upset when it comes upon you.
Kate8

Agreed, Mike in MI. I have stated before that no matter what the kind of disorder a person manifests, the true source is always of the soul.

You simply cannot have complete healing on the physical level alone. Unless the underlying cause is healed, it will continue to manifest in one way or another.

Our physical being is simply the manifestation of our consciousness. Our true condition depends on our relationship with Spirit. That is why the heart which opens with the Christ Spirit is made clean and whole, and heals the entire being.

Nadzieja Batki

The “mental health professionals” need the population to be menatally ill how else would they justify their education, their jobs, their existance, their life. So they keep everbody mentally ill so that they can feel good.

Nadzieja Batki

Notice that the “mental health professionals” don’t classify themselves as mentally ill.
Karolyn

That disregards those who are in the profession to help others. What a jaded view of life you have, Nadzieja.
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Actually Nadzieja, the “mental health professionals” need the population, TO BELIEVE, they are mentally ill, how else would they justify their education, their jobs, their existance, their life!!!
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Karolyn: That disregards those who are in the profession to help others.

Help others? They have yet to show any proof of such. Unless, of course, you consider a life-long dependance of psycho-drugs till death as helping others, Karolyn? It appears to be nothing more then population-control, while at the same time racking in MASSIVE-PROFITS! Helping others? More like helping themselves at the expense of the non-thinking, dumb dumbs!
Karolyn

Jay – You are discounting good therapists and psychologists. I have no love for psychiatrists. As a matter of fact, an ex-friend of mine has been ruined with medications a highly respected NYC psychiatrist has had her on for years. There are good and bad in any profession.
Kate8

Karolyn – I have seen very few people truly helped by any professionals in the field of psychology. They may, at times, succeed in behavioral alterations, but they leave out the most crucial aspect of any healing: the healing that comes from the emergence of the Christed Heart.

We can never be whole as long as we are merely physical beings. The very definition of such an existence is to be fragmented.

When Christ is birthed within us, all is healed and made whole. Wholeness is recognizing and living from spirit, which puts all things right. Short of that, we are but grasping at straws and always looking outside of ourselves for answers which cannot exist anywhere but within our true selves.

This is the reason why any form of medicine or therapy (other than those which recognize body/mind/spirit) fails.
Karolyn

Kate – I do agree with you; however, the only real remedy is education. I don’t see how a total reversal of society can be done, which is what is really needed. The only thing we can do is to spread the word for a gradual change. Unfortunately, you can’t force people to change, so there is a need for some kind of stop-gap to assist them in remedying symptoms. I have been successful in influencing some people regarding natural methods and the mind/body connection; but when faced with the magnitude of the problem, it almost appears hopeless. However, I guess as with many things, it’s one step at a time; and any little change we can affect is a step in the right direction. I think the main focus needs to be on kids for a better future, but then you’re up against resistant ignorant parents. It is such a complex situation, and there really are no easy answers. All we can do is carry the word. As I write this, I can see it applying to you and your quest to convince people of your beliefs of what is occurring politically in the world.
Kate8

Karolyn – I’m not sure I see what your point is about my “convincing” people about my political views. All I want…have ever wanted…is the truth to be exposed. Unless we are willing to see what the truth is, there is no hope of changing it.

There are many things of which you remain unaware and blissfully ignorant. That is your choice. It is my nature to face what IS regardless of how uncomfortable, and that means not only the truth about the world, but also about myself, because at the end of it all, we ARE the world.

I have had to deal with very ill people, as well, and have resorted to the drugs to gain help for those affected when they were too out of control. That was many years ago, when I didn’t know as much as I know now.

In any case, these drugs are extremely dangerous and deadly when used for anything but very short term crises alleviation. Long term they result in great damage to the person using them, and great grief to those who love them. Their personalities go flat, and they are unable to relate in social situations, usually just remaining largely withdrawn. That is no way to live.

Most of these situations can be addressed by investigating from where they arise. There are underlying factors, such as poor diet, chemical toxicity and/or severe trauma. It is these factors which should be addressed before loaded a person up with more toxic chemicals.

The very idea that you can treat a toxic condition by using toxic drugs is absurd (and deadly). And yet, this is the basis for allopathic medicine.

And the sould needs to be nourished, as well, because, regardless of what one believes about life, it does not alter the fact that we are complex beings composed of many levels of being. To ignore this truth and try to manipulate change on the physical alone can only end in further disappointment and disillusionment. We see this over and over in all healthcare modalities.

As with anything, denial of truth does not make it untrue. Nor does belief in untruth make it true.
Karolyn

Kate – Maybe “convince” was the wrong word to use. I should have said “educate.”

Mike in MI

WTS/JAY -
Sometime if you want to get something of a line on what the basic malfunction in psychiatry is, pick up a copy of “The Question of God – C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud Debate God, Love, Sex, and the Meaning of Life”; by Dr. Armand M. Nichol, Jr., c. 2002, Free Press (Simon and Schuster, Inc.), ISBN 0-7432-0237-6.
In it Nicholi presents the backgrounds and writings on the listed subjects of those two notables. Liberals will be non-plussed, I’m sure. Normal people can garner some great insights about hat drives the psychiatric industry due to Freud’s mental state for most of his life.

cbgard

Wasn’t Freud addicted to cocaine? I think I read that somewhere years ago.
Kate8

Mike in MI – Very true.

Since all illness, whether of the body or mind, originates at the level of soul, it can never be truly healed on the level of the physical (which is just the outward manifestation of the inner being).

Toxic thought and erroneous belief can only manifest in disorder.

When we come to realize that all things in this world of illusion are the manifested appearances of frequencies of sound and light, we then can understand the effects that things have on us. Some frequencies are harmonious to our own, and some are disruptive.

Negative thoughts are disruptive, as are drugs and other toxins. They create disruptions in our biology. Things of healing from nature (when untampered with) are generally harmonious, as are positive thoughts and perceptions. Therefore, all medicines are vibratory in nature. The idea, then, is to choose remedies which create a harmonious resonance within us rather than a state of disruption.

It’s all about RESONANCE.

This is, in fact, the healing technology that has been kept supressed and used only by the elite, who have chosen to weaponize this technology rather than to use it to benefit mankind and the planet. It can be used to heal or destroy. It is now being released to us by men with conscience to be used to counteract what has been used to harm.

Learn, people. We have the power to heal, and we don’t need doctors nor their toxic drugs and damaging procedures.

I’ve searched out this information for decades, with limited success. You’d be amazed at how, just of late, this wonderful science is being finally released, making it’s way to the internet and into our reality.

We really are more than we’ve been taught.

Karolyn

78 yo man cures his own cancer. One of numerous stories that can be found about natural cancer cures.
http://www.rawforbeauty.com/blog/523-did-this-grandfather-78-really-beat-incurable-cancer-just-by-changing-his-diet-extraordinary-story-of-the-man-who-got-all-clear-after-swapping-red-meat-and-dairy-products-for-10-fruit-and-veg-a-day-.html

Karolyn

Oops! This post was supposed to be a new one.

hipshotpercusion

A study done some years ago suggests that Doctors regularly misdiagnose and accidentally kill more people in this country than guns do.

Karma Michele

From my own experiences I would have to agree with that study.
http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

Doctors, as a profession, are not a threat against tyranny. Guns owned by the average person are.

Joz

average people are average…. they have no ‘beef’ to grind with anyone per se… it’s the lunatics that pick up guns that kill .

Mike in MI

Hips -
Look up “Death by Medicine”, Gary Nunn, PhD. He clearly established that TRADITIONAL medicine (not the Integrative Medics) is far and away the greatest threat to your longevity available anywhere today. The numbers are staggering. Of course, doing a similar study today would be impossible due to passage since of HIPPAA constraints on information availability. My personal opinion is that they passed those laws, regardless what else they may say, primarily to make sure no one ever gets hold of such evidence again.
You know the drill, it’s bad and we ought to change but that would be too hard and it might require we acquire some humility…to say nothing about,”My god how the money rolls in, rolls in. Sick or well, short or tall, we still treat one and all. Oh god, bring ‘em, we’ll roll ‘em, on in.”

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Michael, here’s a great site…i highly recommend it!!!

http://www.nuremberg-tribunal.org/history/
Kate8

Interesting site, Jay. Thanks.

“Homer”

NOW this is some news every American can use! The deal is: the pharma co’s take UNnatural chemicals and put them together, and they make a drug that may fight the disease, or it may not! however, if people had noticed, or even cared, they would have remembered that if and when the drug even works, they alwasy have side effects, and they always (required) tell you of the side effects! you know, dry mouth and yada yada yada all the way to heart failure and maybe in sone cases…death! The law requires them to warn people! Strangley enough; how about the latest and greatest in some named drug which is pumped up to be sooooo great and then everyone takes it, who needs it, then years later you have lawyers on TV asking if “YOU” have ever had complications on the drug that was supposed to end your pain etc! Natural drugs work..let me give you an example….sounds sick but……..IT WORKS (and NO one can take it away LOL) when as a boy about 14 Y.O. I got athlets feet so bad, and i tried everything….NOTHING worked…NOTHING! MY dad saw what had happened and he gave me an order, he said “son” go to the bathroom and pee in the toilet, then put your feet in it and just dry it but don’t wash it….I put up a fuss…OHHHHHHH that’s sick! But, dad gave me an order, and as it turned out…it cleared up in about 10 days and NEVER returned…that was in 1969! How about cancer….B-17 can’t get it? Well just get some acorns…eat green acorns …don’t worry no one will cut all the acorn trees down…sure they are bitter, but if it tastes good it’s probably no good for you…..I have more but…..loose lips sink ships!!
Doc Sarvis

It’s not the drugs that kill people, it’s the people who take drugs that kill people.

Karolyn

Good point Doc. It’s up to the people to be educated about what they are putting in their bodies and to question their doctors. The majority take whatever the doctor will give them, although it has gotten better over the years with the internet.
http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear Doc Sarvis,

You must have missed this paragraph: The Food and Drug Administration, which approves these drugs, recognizes that more 100,000 adverse drug reaction (ADR) deaths occur each year. ADRs is the fourth leading cause of death, ahead of pulmonary disease, diabetes, AIDS, pneumonia, accidents and automobile deaths.

Best wishes,
Bob

Doc Sarvis

And the NRA promotes assult weapons.
http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear Doc Sarvis,

Please describe and define what makes a weapon an “assult (sic) [assault] weapon”.

Best wishes,
Bob
http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear Doc Sarvis,

Also note that of all gun crimes, rifles are the least-used gun overall. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl11.xls

Best wishes,
Bob
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Doc: And the NRA promotes assult weapons.

Sorry Doc, you’re confused. It is Mr. Holder who promotes the use of assault weapons through the “Fast and Furious” program. You have him to thank for, for the proliferation of “assault weapons”!
eddie47d

The Fast and Furious plan backfired and not much different than the NRA’s plan of arming everyone. Enough of this foolishness from both sides. They both are failing the test and something new needs to be tried!
Mike in MI

edda –
Fast and Furious failed basically because it was illicit, unwise, from crooks to crooks, planned by liberals, carried out by liberals, under liberal principles (bribery, murder, deceit, divisiveness, corruption, insane cruelty, stupidity), carried to liberals, for Godless purposes and to make a Godly/wise purposes and conduct look horrid. How is it you, edda, didn’t get involved?

Karma Michele

No, that would be the drug pushin’ doctors that kill people.

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Psychiatry is a harmful and dangerous practice which is disabling and debilitating the lives of millions of people through so -called anti-psychotic drugs and E.C.T. There is a need for people to wake up to this fundamentally flawed practice and the harm it is causing and work for human rights for people labelled “mentally ill”!
Karolyn

Jay – Since you seem to have the answers, what is your solution?
Mike in MI

Karolyn -
Many people who are “depressed” are simply malnourished or their moms were during their gestation. Much of it could be corrected if caught and corrected by proper nutritional support to the babies through the first two years. That’s the developmental “window” to improve lots of things in people’s brains – the meat. The “minds”? That’s up to Mom and Dad – if the kid is fortunate enough to have a set, nowadays. But, that would require us to put a lot of govt, agencies out of commission and return to some basic morality and “uncommon” sense.
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Karolyn: Jay – Since you seem to have the answers, what is your solution?

Firstly, shut down the Psychiatric industry, for starters, and charge all psychiatrists with pre-meditated murder of millions!. Psychiatry is a scam and a fraud perpetrated on unsuspecting-dolts who will believe every non-sense that comes out of the field of psychiatry, as the Gospel. These people possess zero critical thinking skills and are like sheep to the slaughter!

Secondly, reverse the brain-washing administered on millions of Americans that running to the doctors rather then being self-responsible for your own health, is the better way to go and will keep you alive. NONSENSE! Your chances of being murdered at the hands of the health-care system, are excellent, and in your favour, if early death is what you are seeking.

Thirdly, i would promote, rather than suppress, the wonderful and life-saving properties of natural supplements and good-nutrition!

And lastly, re-educate the American public in personal-responsibility, and to the truth that one’s actions, wether good or bad, are the direct result of choice, and not from some idiotic, fairy-tale notion of mental-illness!

What’s your solution, Karolyn?
Bill

WTS Jay,
Good post. I agree with you 100%
Kate8

Very good points, Jay. And what is even more concerning is the expansion of just what constitutes mental illness.

Children do not play like they used to. Most kids have no place outdoors to play, and even those who do prefer to be indoors hooked into video games. Kids have boundless energy, and need to expend it somehow. Hence, kids with not means of running off this energy are pegged as “hyperactive” or as having ADHD and placed on drugs so they don’t disrupt adults who are trying to focus on their own pursuits.

Further, emotions are being seen as abnormal more and more. If you have a feeling there must be something wrong with you. Well, I suppose in a society which is over-regulated, repressed and restricted, frustrations erupt. Can’t have that. It is truly enough to make sane people crazy.

The elite are attempting social engineering in order to create a slave race which is no threat to them. They need servants who aren’t very bright nor will they be interested in being independent. So they use every means to alter DNA and IQ, and to drug away any energy except as much as is necessary for basic function.

Drugs are a great way to dumb-down, control, and regulate life spans. Add these to poisonous vaccines, toxic water, food and air, electronic frequency control, and use media to create whatever perception of ‘reality’ they desire for the masses to believe, and…well, it takes a really strong person to understand the situation and to maintain personal integrity.

Again, information is our best defense.
Mike in MI

Katey Lately –
Well my oh me. I’d say your integrity is well nigh unassailable – since you ain’t adrift either, seems it’s be pretty securely anchored.
What I want to know is who did what to Kate8 and who’re you? Where’s that neat, sweet, petite girl I talked to first a few years ago here?
We may be growing old, but we seem not to be doing it gratefully…uh, gracefully. Or, slippin’ off into the ether without a ripple in the space-time continuum. QUIETLY, either.
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Kate8, you and i are on the same-page on many issues, this one particular. Your above comment, is right on point!!!
Kate8

Mike in MI –

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/microwaves-causing-genocide-what-the-government-wont-tell-you-2524474.html

I know for a fact that all of this is true.

Joz

Yes: its’ not the drugs and not the guns! here: Want to stop the violence? Here is the answer:
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Colombine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Perhaps rather than gun-control, we should be looking closer to instituting pharma-
control?
Thanks to Watcher Tom for this list!
Vicki

Doc Sarvis says:
“It’s not the drugs that kill people, it’s the people who take drugs that kill people.”

So what is your opinion about people and guns?

Kate8

Another example of how liberals twist and play with reason to fit their purpose.
deerinwater

Yea, kinda like “person hood” and “pro life” ~ If an individual is considered a person at conception, ~ while a mother has 9 months to move about ~ how will citizenship be determined? How might it be documented? Who wants such a task?

Laws makes criminals, ~ more laws, more criminals. More laws, less freedom. I guess we are going to whittle ourselves down to tommytons .

Sick and deranged people kills people and it’s not against the law to be sick.
Kate8

deer – Sorry, but there is no political jargon in the honoring of life above all else.

I do believe it is the libs who twist words, to use your topic, “pro-choice”. This translates as the right to kill if you so choose. Perhaps, tell it like it is: murder.

We either honor life or we don’t. It’s that simple.
Vicki

deerinwater says:
“Yea, kinda like “person hood” and “pro life” ~ If an individual is considered a person at conception, ~ while a mother has 9 months to move about ~ how will citizenship be determined?”

Judging from your photo you were not born yesterday. You know very well how citizenship is determined. Liberals/progressives have been telling us for 4 years.
Vicki

deerinwater writes:
“Laws makes criminals, ~ more laws, more criminals. More laws, less freedom.”

\More laws do not necessarily equal less freedom. In the particular case you were implying more laws equal maintaining the freedom of the child to LIVE.

Recently several of us have stopped mincing words and now call the act what it is. Murder.
deerinwater

Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)

mal·ice [mal-is] Show IPA
noun
1.
desire to inflict injury, harm, or suffering on another, either because of a hostile impulse or out of deep-seated meanness: the malice and spite of a lifelong enemy.
2.
Law. evil intent on the part of a person who commits a wrongful act .

Humans (Homo sapiens) are primates of the family Hominidae, and the only extant species of the genus Homo. They originated in Africa, where they reached anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago.

Life cycle

As with other mammals, human reproduction takes place as internal fertilization by sexual intercourse. During this process, the erect penis of the male is inserted into the female’s vagina until the male ejaculates semen, which contains sperm. The sperm travels through the vagina and cervix into the uterus or Fallopian tubes for fertilization of the ovum. Upon fertilization and implantation, gestation then occurs within the female’s uterus.

The zygote divides inside the female’s uterus to become an embryo, which over a period of 38 weeks (9 months) of gestation becomes a fetus. After this span of time, the fully grown fetus is birthed from the woman’s body and breathes independently as an infant for the first time.

At this point, most modern cultures recognize the baby as a person entitled to the full protection of the law, though some jurisdictions extend various levels of personhood earlier to human fetuses while they remain in the uterus.

Compared with other species, human childbirth is dangerous. Painful labors lasting 24 hours or more are not uncommon and sometimes lead to the death of the mother, the child or both. This is because of both the relatively large fetal head circumference and the mother’s relatively narrow pelvis. The chances of a successful labor increased significantly during the 20th century in wealthier countries with the advent of new medical technologies. In contrast, pregnancy and natural childbirth remain hazardous ordeals in developing regions of the world, with maternal death rates approximately 100 times greater than in developed countries.

The construction of the human pelvis differs from other primates, as do the toes. As a result, humans are slower for short distances than most other animals, but are among the best long-distance runners in the animal kingdom.

So ~ human child birth is dangerous due in part to a small pelvis and the worlds medical community has taken pain to explain when the zygote divides and becomes an embryo and at what stage a fetus in seen to as a human person.

So please tell us Vicky where you believe person-hood exist that differs from doctors and the legal community and what affords you this insights that you would call someone a murder?
Vicki

deerinwater says:
“So please tell us Vicky where you believe person-hood exist that differs from doctors and the legal community and what affords you this insights that you would call someone a murder?”

As you pointed out from the moment of of conception the baby will grow and as long as it is provided with the proper environment (food water protection from the elements as it were) the baby will grow and eventually become an adult. Who are you to say when the baby is sacred and deserves protection. Why do you take some arbitrary time in the baby’s life to be when it is to be protected instead of from the beginning (Conception).

Next you ask what affords me this insight that I would call abortion by its rightful name of murder most foul.

The legal definition of murder affords me this insight.
http://nationalparalegal.edu/public_documents/courseware_asp_files/criminalLaw/homicide/Murder.asp

CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

Bob Livingston,

SIR, I DISAGREE.

MAYBE, AS TIME GOES ON, WE WILL LEARN MORE ABOUT Adam Lanza’s RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS MOTHER. A MAN’S MAMA IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT WOMAN IN HIS LIFE – WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS ARE SECONDARY.

I GUARANTEE, Mr. Lanza HAD PROBLEMS WITH HIS MOTHER LONG BEFORE TAKING ANY DRUGS – PHARMACEUTICAL AND/OR ILLICIT.

CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

I FORGOT – I HAVE NOT WISHED YOU, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, Mr. Livingston.

http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,

Thank you, And happy New Year to you and yours, as well!

Best wishes,
Bob
Kate8

CHRISTOPHER – I’m sorry, but I strongly believe that you are wrong here.

I don’t know about Adam’s relationship with his mother. Not one of us does, except the “official” story (propaganda) put out by the elite media.

However, I do believe that he is part of a pool of mind-controlled young people who have been conditioned by the dark MIC to be used as patsies in the transformation of America (and the world) into a police state.

This has been going on for nearly a century: the false flags and the incremental taking of our liberties (and dismantling of our Constitution), leading up to this time in our history. Every shooting by a “crazed lone gunman” since the days of Abe Lincoln (and even before)have been orchestrated by these same elite to “nudge” and herd us toward their ends.

In this past century, mind control has been the order of the day, taking our kids and turning them into hapless and helpless tools of those who have the most nefarious intent. They have no respect for us or our children. Most probably these events are planned long before any of us can imagine. Since the elite control Hollywood as well, they love to taunt us with their symbols in the movies we are fed.

I doubt if this young man was even the shooter, the same as the other “shooters”. They are patsies, and their lives are terminated on the spot, or they are whisked away to God-knows-where in order that they do not talk. Do some research on earlier shootings, such as those of JFK and all of the others, and there are always reports of “law enforcement” being on the spot even before they occur, and of other shooters being involved. Then the poor kids are blamed for the deed, and we are told how we need to give up our guns and our rights in order for us to be “safe”.

CHRISTOPHER, I get the idea that you are pretty uninformed about the evil agendas which are afoot in America as the culmination of centuries of planning on the part of these elite bloodlines. It’s all coming out now, so there is no excuse for so many of us being in ignorance. This is how they have succeeded, because they know that the tendency of people is to not want to accept things which make them feel discomfort and challenge their beliefs.

These events are not what they seem. Not by a long shot. It’s impossible for any of us to know the complete truth (it is arranged that way by a prostitute media), but we can search far and wide and come up with a pretty good idea of what is going on.

I will tell you this: if we don’t come out of our misplaced, trusting stupor, we are doomed. Information is our best weapon, for we are controlled through our beliefs and our perceptions about reality.
deerinwater

Killing is not anything Americans are not familiar with, ~ You speak in terms of “if Americans don’t wake up”, ~ reflecting on recent events and some kind of a dibolical “change” is coming over Americans.

Here is some old news for you to ponder.

Some of the great blood baths of the war came as Grant drove on Richmond in the spring of 1864- Confederate casualties are missing for this campaign, but were enormous. The Federal toll:

The Wilderness, May 5-7: 17,666
Spotsylvania, May 10 and 12: 10,920
Drewry’s Bluff, May 12-16 4,160
Cold Harbor, June 1-3: 2,000
Petersburg, June 15-30 16,569

This is just Union causalities figures and I serious doubt if these 36 thousand four hundred and two men owned 100 slaves between them all.

We live in peaceful times my friend. ~ while our freedoms permits nut cases to run freely among us while some gun owners fails to secure their weapons properly.
Vicki

Kate8 writes:
“However, I do believe that he is part of a pool of mind-controlled young people who have been conditioned by the dark MIC to be used as patsies in the transformation of America (and the world) into a police state.”

That is why I proposed that people stop looking for scapegoats and DEMAND our right to keep and bear (even scary) arms be PROTECTED as per contract (US Constitution).

Give us back the best tools for self, family, neighborhood and community defense and it WILL NOT MATTER if the conspiracy is just a theory or a real conspiracy. We will neutralize the threat.

It’s time to stop the madness.
End Gun-Free Zones.
Kate8

Well said, Vicki.

And, as I have also stated, we need the biggest and baddest of weaponry in order to be safe from a militant state run amok. It will be of no use to have pop guns or knives when armored troops come to your house carrying fully automatics loaded with hollowpoints.

Just what do people think the government wants with billions of rounds of hollowpoint ammo? Why do people think hundreds of huge mass grave pits have been dug all around the country?

Conspiracies? You bet. Consider that these exact same things have been done many times in the past, in exactly the same ways. People were disarmed, the militaries came in, hundreds of millions were slaughtered and thrown into mass graves.

This is, in fact, what this government has in mind, folks. They despise us. They have zero respect for people who would rather be “entitled” than responsible, who would sell out their countrymen for their own self-interest…; although they are always the ones used to provide them with the power they need to accomplish their real goals.

They see us as stupid sheep. Look around. It appears that they are correct.
Charlie R

I find it interesting that just prior to the holidays there were a rash of multiple killings caused by people (so called “nut cases”) with firearms. Almost seems like the these were made to order for the liberal left wing anti gun cabal. I suspect our government ( elites in Washington) are not beyond creating a crisis and never letting it go to waste.
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“Kate8,”

MA’AM, I THINK Adam Lanza’s LIFE WOULD FIT THE “TEXTBOOK-CASE” DEFINITION OF A “LONER.”

I BELIEVE AS A CHILD, Mr. Lanza WAS ISOLATED AND SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE ALONE; HIS CLASSMATES AND FAMILY PROBABLY THOUGHT HE WAS “weird.”

[Think about it. A twenty-four- (or, twenty-) year-old male should "be out" partying with a different "chick" every night. But, NO! Mr. Lanza kills his mother and many others. A "loner" would do that after having a lifetime of sadness and facing constant ridicule. Any drugs taken, happened later in Mr. Lanza's life].
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

Bob Livingston – THANKS, SIR.
Kate8

CHRISTOPHER – As I said, I don’t know who this young man was. All any of us knows is what the media reports, and they are the propaganda arm of the guv with an agenda.

He may have had a wonderful mother. He may not have been the one who killed her. This scenario is highly suspect, and leaves many unanswered questions. If you have not been following the reports, then you are not aware of just how contrived this whole debacle was.

Whoever he was, he was a human being who had his life stolen from him by those who used him for their own ends. There are many such as him, and he deserves to have the truth exposed about what really happened that day. What those in high places have done to millions and millions of our children is unconscienable, and they all deserve to be vindicated.

These stories are now being exposed, and will continue to be. We are and will be learning things that we never would have imagined nor thought possible.

Stay tuned. This is the biggest time in all of our history.
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“Kate8,”

MA’AM, I VIEW THINGS FROM A “HUMAN” PERSPECTIVE. I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A “NEW WORLD ORDER.” IF NATIONAL [OR, INTERNATIONAL] CHAOS “BREAKS-OUT,” THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS PROTECT MYSELF WITH MY BEST ABILITY.
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“Kate8,”

MA’AM, IF WE FIND SOME CONSPIRACY WAS “AFOOT” AT Sandy Hook Elementary, OR, WITH Mr. Lanza’s MOTHER, I WILL BE FIRST TO ADMIT I WAS WRONG.

“Kate8,” I KNOW MANY Personal Libertarians DO NOT LIKE THE MEDIA – BUT, IT IS “ALL WE HAVE.” I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN THIS STORY BECAUSE I AM A PARTICIPANT ON THIS SITE. I HAVE MY OWN “ISSUES;” I HAVE NO TIME FOR CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

ONLINE MEDIA ALLOWS PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS ON THIS TYPE OF ISSUE. BUT, THE “BOTTOM-LINE” IS CHAOS HAS A “HAPHAZARD-” AND “GUERILLA-LIKE” -NATURE. NO ONE WILL KNOW HOW THEY WILL RESPOND BECAUSE WHEN CHAOS DOES “BREAK-OUT,” PEOPLE MAY BE ASLEEP, COOKING DINNER, ETC.
Kate8

CHRISTOPHER – A ‘conspiracy’ is simply two or more people plotting to manipulate the course of events for their own purposes. Conspiracies go on continually in all facets of life, as people try to arrange and influence life in their favor.

What you are actually saying is that you have no time for the truth. Fine. Be a sheep and be content to accept the official story as told by those who commit atrocities and blame them on others in order to influence mass thinking. This is why we are in such a mess…people just can’t be bothered to actually think beyond the pablum their fed over the controlled media.

You say you come here to discuss things. Really. Well, if there is nothing to discuss, why bother? If what we hear is the final word, then we should all just go back to the couch and channel surf ’til our heart’s content. After all, BigBro is there to take care of us. No need for us to bother our heads about the things they are doing all around us.

Too many people today are too caught up in indulging their fantasies to be bothered with the fact that the wrong people are taking us down a very dark path. The walk through La La Land will come to an abrupt halt soon, and reality will be a major shock.

Zzzzzzzzzzz. That’s okay. They have meds for it.
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“Kate8,”

MA’AM, YOU LOST FOCUS.

“Kate8,” MA’AM, WHEN YOU ARE IN THE CAR AND THE CAR AHEAD OF YOU STOPS ABRUPTLY, YOU MAY HAVE TO “SWERVE,” IN ORDER TO AVOID A CATASTROPHE.

GUN-LOVERS ARE TRYING TO “SWERVE” BEFORE THE CATASTROPHE “HITS.” “Kate8,” IF THE CATASTROPHE “HITS,” I AM WITH YOU AND PREPARED FOR ACTION. UNTIL THEN – AS, Chip Wood SAYS – I WILL KEEP MY POWDER DRY.
oh oh

Here’s an interesting website that tracks SSRI stories, antidepressant nightmares involving Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) (SSRIs), including 66 school shootings/incidents involving SSRIs:

http://www.ssristories.com/index.html

“Most of the stories on this site describe events that occurred after the year 2000. The increase in online news material and the efficiency of search engines has greatly increased the ability to track stories. Even these 4,800+ documented stories only represent the tip of an iceberg since most stories do not make it into the media. There are 115 cases of bizarre behavior, 66 school shootings/incidents, 68 road rage tragedies, 19 air rage incidents, 101 arson cases, 70 postpartum depression cases, over 1,000 murders (homicides) or murder attempts, over 300 murder-suicides (30% committed by women) and other acts of violence including workplace violence on this site. There are also over 100 Journal Articles and FDA reports listed in the Index. They are at the top of the Index immediately below the 66 school shootings/incidents and the 29 “won” criminal cases.”

The list of 66 school shootings/incidents — all accompanied by SSRIs — is located at:

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?sort=date&p=school
deerinwater

I think that you have uncovered a wealth of data, if it will hold up as being solid data and not being presented by someone with an ax to grind and taking liberties with facts.
deerinwater

So Vicky , a fetus is a person at conception?

and murder is the intent to kill?

Your conviction would make women the single largest collection of murders in the world Vicky.

That would made this “Next Day Pill” a weapon.

I just don’t believe your convictions are enforceable much less believed by a majority of women.

Geiser Carol

I do agree, Christopher, that Lanza is very likely a product of some really LOUSY child rearing and with NO child LOVING, but I also am completely certain that we are a DRUG ADDICTED SOCIETY today. We are a society of LEGAL drug addictions even greater than ILLEGAL drugs. And, when all medical care providers are so bribed and brainwashed into prescribing drugs for every damn thing that a patient suffers from, there is something very very very wrong with our medical care providers. I know personally from my recent medical check up. I told the Doctor and her assistant that I DO NOT TAKE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, but I DO take nutrient supplements. They just did NOT know how to respond to me other than saying that sometimes drugs are necessary. I said yes, but ONLY on rare occasions!

Paul Wells

Geiser, You have no evidence on which to base the claim that Mrs. Lanza was anything other than a great mother. I think your baseless claim is cruel and demeaning. I think Adam Lanza was sick in the head, manipulative and a ticking time bomb. I get sick of people posting without a clue, or a shred of empathy. When all else fails, go after the parenting. Sometimes it’s not the parenting, so ding ding ding, no prize!
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“Geiser Carol,”

THANKS. BUT, WE MUST DEAL WITH W-H-Y PEOPLE TURN TO DRUGS. THE ANSWER IS, P-A-I-N!

PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUNCTION – AT A HIGH LEVEL – IN PUBLIC. BUT, “BEHIND CLOSED DOORS,” THEY COULD BE FILLED WITH A “DARKNESS” WHICH IS CAPABLE OF “UNSPEAKABLE EVIL.”

I GUARANTEE, IF PEOPLE SAW Adam Lanza OR Timothy McVeigh AT THE GROCERY STORE THEY WOULD HAVE SAID, “Oh, what nice young men!”
eddie47d

Paul Wells; You post without a clue every chance you get LOL! The question is why aren’t certain drugs banned? This is corporate America and they run this country. They can do as they please or haven’t you figured that out yet? They also own the weapons manufacturers and the killings will continue whether from Big Pharma or the gun companies. Quit bowing down to your corporate masters for they aren’t your friends!
deerinwater

Most of these bloggers, hate people on some level ~ yet they seem to suggest with every posting more people is just what we need.

It’s darn funny if you stand back far enough to see the big picture.

They don’t really like people but they defend everything that will ensure more people.
http://daflikkers.blogspot.com/ blogengeezer

It is well documented that the USA, ever since the ill conceived beginning of the wealth redistribution plan of ‘The Great Society’, has been increasingly addicted to Drugs. the USA consumes 82% of the entire world’s production of Oxycodones in their various forms. SSRI’s are another well kept secret, Franapt reportedly being the mind altering drug administered to Lanza. Who really knows, or will ever reveal when he was put on the now universally govt administered ‘baby formula’ of Ritalin, to bring out his ‘real’ potential character. The USA is fulfilling prophecy as the world class consumers of ‘Pharmacia’. We now will all suffer our own self induced Consequences. As soldiers, historically faced with inevitable annihilation, ie; ‘When all else Fails’, Prayer is the last resort. Time to Pray yet?

Karma Michele

Your use of all caps reveals your ignorance.

TIME

Dear Karma,

Perhaps his eye sight is not all that good. Did you ever think about that?
Perhaps its you that’s the ignorant one? Did you ever think about that?

Open your mind ~ think outside the blind that you were programed to be within.

Peace and Love, Shalom
phideaux

Dear Time, the poor vision excuse carries very little weight. If he had vision problems bad enough that he needed to use all caps he would have a lot of trouble reading the other posts and the article itself. From the quickness of his responses at times it is apparent that is not likely to be the case. Also, he has been asked repeatedly why he uses all caps and has not even bothered to recognize the question much less give a coherent answer to it.
Kate8

Perhaps CHRISTOPHER like caps as a sort of signature. He reverses caps and lower case from what the rest of us use. So what. Obviously, he is not concerned with anyone’s opinion on it as he has been chided about it repeatedly.

He considers himself to be different from the rest of us in many ways. Some people like to make subtle statements by various means. I think we should not concern ourselves with how anyone chooses to present himself. If we don’t like it, don’t read it. We should focus on our own content and expression, and stop criticizing others for theirs. At least CHRISTOPHER is always polite and respectful, and that is worth a lot more than the nastiness and attacks of many others on this site.

I also do not believe that this has any bearing on his intelligence whatsoever. I do not know who his is, but he always seems thoughtful and honest to me. For this reason I believe that he deserves the same respect and acceptance as any of us.

CHRISTOPHER, I know that you can speak for yourself, so I am not so much sticking up for you as I am reminding everyone to search within themselves before lashing out at others. Our eagerness to pounce on others for small things is indicative of why we are in so much trouble as a people. It’s a good thing for all of us to look at, whether we agree on things or not.
Vicki

I agree with Kate8. Let us allow CAH his freedom to express himself his way and we can ignore or read as WE choose.

(Besides we have no power to stop him so just enjoy the ride )
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“TIME” [SIR], “Kate8″ AND “Vicki” [MA'AMS] – YOUR SUPPORT MEANS A LOT TO ME.
Vicki

You’re welcome CAH. And Happy (almost) New year.

Katrin

That may be true, but it does not chage the fact that he did this horrible act after taking the drugs for some time. They are many neglected children that grow up to be some of the best people in our community. As far as I know most if not all of the mass shooters have been on some kind of medication that the side effect include violence and sueside. How many kids/people need to be murdered before someone start paying attention to the real problem FDA created and the fact that this organization has nothing to do with protecting people, just the opposit.

http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

If anyone is in doubt about just how dangerous these mind bending psychotropic drugs are, check this out: http://ssristories.com/index.php

In particular, read the story about one of the kids from Columbine, along with the story about the teacher who shot his superintendent and is now serving a life sentence.

I personally know someone who went bonkers on Lexapro. (Her husband referred to it as “Hellapro”). She moved out of her beautiful home in the middle of the night, and into a tiny apartment where she signed a one year lease. She thought her husband and kids were “stifling” her creativity. After a couple of days, she was in a state of total confusion and couldn’t figure out why she had done this. She said it was one of the scariest things she had ever gone through, almost as if another person was inhabiting her body.

It would be great if more people understood that most mental problems are due to poor nutritional habits (especially eating wheat products), and inadequate supplementation with vitamins/minerals. I used to have a problem with terrible anxiety, but read an article about trans-dermal magnesium gel, and decided to give it a try. As far as I am concerned, that stuff is a miracle in a bottle. My anxiety and impatience disappeared in a few days after I started using it and I felt better than I had in years. It also curbed my appetite. I mentioned it to my holistic D.O. and she said a huge percentage of people in this country are magnesium and Vitamin D3 deficient.
Bill

Carlucci,
I agree with you, we need to be looking to nutrition and not drugs
Kate8

Carlucci – You are so right about this. Someone very close to me lived through years of hell due to pharmaceuticals prescribed for “bi-polar disorder”. Finally, with my encouragment and support (as no one else would understand how dangerous the drugs are), she weaned herself off of the drugs and is now feeling well.

These drugs cause episodes of psychosis and suicidal tendencies, provoking the most bizarre behaviors. They cause extreme mineral deficiencies, as well, causing drastic imbalances in potassium and magnesium. Anyone on these drugs needs to supplement these things in order to minimize the episodes of psychosis and muscular damage. When potassium balance is disturbed only slightly, confusion and psychosis occur, and this is known. These drugs also terribly damage the heart and kidneys, as well as the liver.

Pharmaceuticals are dangerous. Iatrogenic disease (drug/doctor-induced disease) is the THIRD largest killer in America, from drugs being used as directed.

For you Obamacare supporters, I suggest you get a clue about why this is being thrust on us. Our medical system is owned and operated by an occult cabal, and is a system of disease and death, and this is why it is so criminal to have it being FORCED on us. Anything which is truly good does not have to be FORCED. The plan of this monstrosity is to have us ALL controlled by the use of chemicals, with the ultimate goal of absolute control over life and death of the populations of Earth.
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

“Katrin,”

DO YOU BELIEVE DRUGS CAN “STRING-OUT A PERSON SO FAR,” THAT HE/SHE WOULD KILL HER/HIS OWN MOTHER WITHOUT A PRE-EXISTING CIRCUMSTANCE?

Pete Sagi

I suppose I could try to wax eloquent on the issue of these nutcase drugs, but why bother … I put it all to song lyrics sometime back. So here it is, enjoy.

Pete

Prozac Party
(Tune of Let’s Spend the Night Together)

My, My, My, My …
I don’t worry ’bout what’s on my mind (Oh my),
Time for me to chemically unwind.
My doctor told me to take what’s prescribed (take what’s prescribed),
And don’t care about my brain gettin’ fried!
To get high, I’ll fry, fry, fry (oh my),
Time for a Prozac party,
I’m depressed and over forty,
Time for a Prozac party now!

I’m so bummed out, that I will reprise (oh my),
Time for a Prozac party,
I need these pills, just to get my highs (oh yeah),
Time for a Prozac party,
For my hang-ups, and all my let downs (all my let downs),
These pills keep me groovin’ around and around and around,
Oh my, my …
Time for a Prozac party,
I’m depressed and over forty,
Time for a Prozac party,

Time for a Prozac party,
I’m depressed and over forty,

I do some fryin’ baby,
It’ gets me flyin’ baby,
It’s been decided baby; now-
I’m depressed and over forty,
It’s time for a Prozac party,
Time for a Prozac party now!

I need my pills to get me through each day (oh my),
Time for a Prozac party,
No excuse is needed anyway (oh my),
Time for a Prozac party,
Prozac sets aside my every need (every need),
And it satisfies big pharma’s greed.
Oh my, my, my, my, my …

Time for a Prozac party,
I’m depressed and over forty,
Time for a Prozac party now!

Mike in MI

Pete Sagi -
Saggy or not that takes a lot of effort – and not too bad. Thanks

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