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Two Possible Mass Shootings Stopped By Armed Americans

December 19, 2012 by  

Two Possible Mass Shootings Stopped By Armed Americans

As the debate surrounding the proper place of guns in modern America continues, there are stories (understandably overshadowed by the horrific tragedy that occurred last week in Connecticut) that highlight the valuable self-defense aspect of carrying a concealed weapon.

Earlier this month in Casper, Wyo., a man walked into a busy nail salon with the possible intent to rob and harm its patrons. A woman who was getting her nails done at the time saw him pull a weapon and pulled her own.

Here is a report from the Casper Star-Tribune:

Police say about 5:30 p.m. on Dec. 3, a man walked into Modern Nails at 2645 E. Second St. and asked a female employee if she wanted to buy some diamonds. The man walked toward the front desk area and the woman replied that she had no money to buy diamonds.

A witness said the man then reached into his coat pocket and began to take out a silver-colored pistol.

At that moment, a woman who was getting her nails done reached into her purse and got her own firearm. Police say the man never fully raised the gun and left the building after seeing the customer had her weapon out.

On Monday, a gunman entered the China Garden Restaurant in San Antonio, Texas, allegedly looking to do harm to an employee of the establishment. When the employee wasn’t there, police report, the man pulled a gun and attempted to open fire on random patrons of the restaurant. When his gun jammed, patrons fled to a movie theater nearby. The gunman followed and was able to shoot one man in the chest before being neutralized by an off-duty sheriff’s deputy working security at the theater.

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Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • ALL AMERICAN

    A 22 LR long gun is exactly the same thing as the 22 LR barrel of the mentioned, along with different clothes (I.e.: barrel heat sink/guard, flashy looking stock or upper assembly)…all of which do the same d a m n thing. If looks could kill, we’d have the Libs trying to ban all evil pirate teddy bears from the build a bear stores.
    Once again, the fools and useful idiots are at it again.

  • http://none Paul Bowers

    My name is Paul. I am a retired Police Officer and still work as Court Security in a local Town Justice Court. The 2nd amendment simply states a God given right to possess arms for protection of self and others also against an oppressive government. What is the problem with this? There are laws against stealing, assaults, murder, and other crimes. Owning a gun is not a crime it is a God given Right. Illegal use of a weapon is a Crime committed by a person or persons. I have the God given Right to defend myself against aggressors 2 legged 4 legged or Governmental. I shall not break the law in doing so because it is a God given right! Regulations such as any one with a history or record of being a criminal or Mentally ill can’t possess weapons are reasonable in my opinion. No other reason is acceptable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.sevene Eugene Sevene-THE PATRIOT

    Forget it Robert, the gun control freaks will only say “we all know the media lies” until the the main stream media says something that fits their frame of mind or thought process.

  • robert

    Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the world and it is not unusual for them to have 30 or more shootings in a single weekend. (source: main stream media)

  • James Quimby

    Look at all the major gun massacres quoted by President Obama’s comments – The Aurora theater, Virginia Tech, Various schools, etc. There is one thing they all have in common – legal, privately owned guns were banned there. (Of course Obama left out one massacre that killed 13 soldiers – the Fort Hood shooting by the Muslim shrink – and of course off duty soldiers were banned from carrying guns too)

    Take the Aurora theater as an example. Colorado has a very high rate of personal gun carry permit holders. There were seven theaters showing the exact same Batman movie at midnight within a few mile radius of the killer’s home. Six of these theaters had no private signs restricting legal gun carry permit holders from bringing their legal guns with them to the movies. There was a theater closer to his home, there were larger theaters which would have given him more targets. Did the killer randomly choose his target? No! He choose the only one where there would be no law abiding carry permit holders.

    The best concise analysis to both define the problem and point out the best solution, I heard on the Dennis Prager radio show Monday, “The GOOD must be stronger than the EVIL!” The way to make the Good stronger can be debated – perhaps the South Carolina solution of a Resource Officer in every single school (an armed guard), or maybe having every properly firearms trained teacher, administrator, or even janitor, permitted to have a legal firearm secured for quick access at their school, etc.

    What is definitely NOT the way to make the Good stronger, is to further restrict law abiding citizens from having ready access to legal firearms. Disarming the Good only makes them weaker against the Evil.

    Jim Q

    • Andrew Roseweir

      JIM Q you are 100% right.

    • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.sevene Eugene Sevene-THE PATRIOT

      James I have said for years and still say the people of this country get more stupid every day. Most societies and most people learn from their mistakes. This is not true for the gun control idiots. Some people and societies will never learn. Let us look at prohibition. We outlawed alcohol and created a multimillion dollar a year, tax free business and increased the crime rate nation wide. Outlaw guns and the outlaws will all have guns, another tax free business and increase in crime. What the brain washed people don’t get is that gun control by the government has nothing to do with the death of those 20 innocent children. It has everything to do with control of the population. If you want to control a mass of people, control the amount of money they make and you control those masses. However along with that you have to remove any threat of resistance, [ disarm the people in question] only then will you have complete control.
      I am a Vietnam vet and when I jointed the Army I took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. When I took my discharge I don’t recall anyone relieving me of that oath and I will fight to the death to protect our constitution and our freedoms. Yes James you are right. One does not strengthen ones army by down grading it. The bully down the block will not stop bullying you child until you step on the seine and portray power. Our leaders have learned nothing from history just as many of our people have not. Food for thought. If a person is going to commit murder they are going to commit murder gun or no gun. As tragic as Ct. was with the gun, would we rather this person have committed this crime against these children with a knife and a base ball bat. Out law guns and then out law kitchen knives, 2x4s, base ball bats, oh ye and don’t forget to remove all bricks and rocks, shovels,hockey sticks, and anything else you can think of that could be used to beat some child’s brains out, What did we do with the good common sense God gave us? Yes speaking of God why not put him and his good family values back in our lives instead letting everything that is wrong and immoral in our nation destroy us. Come on people, we have let government do our thinking long enough, let’s start thinking for ourselves and get back on the right path. All the school shootings only started after we threw God out of them. THINK ABOUT IT.

      • http://101joyousthoughts.wordpress.com 101joyousthoughts

        Eugene, a gun is a force-multiplier so when some nutcase is intent on murder, he can kill many more people faster than he could with a club or a knife.
        No doubt you read of the recent incident in (unarmed) Japan where some nut went on a rampage and knifed a bunch of people. Horrible deal, but as I understand it, they have all survived. If he’d have had a rapid-fire weapon do you think the outcome would have been the same?
        I appreciate your thoughts and concern, but we need to try to deal with facts, and the facts have been spun by all sides of this issue. I own several guns and my personal opinion is that a limit on the magazine capacity may be the best compromise our country has. Perfect? Hell no. But that’s what compromises are about.

      • JC

        101, Can I remind you of something?

        “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

        There is nothing to compromise.
        As long as criminals and soldiers have great firepower, so shall “We The People”.
        It’s called balance and it’s what keeps us free people.

      • James Quimby

        When Bob Costas made his recent anti-gun TV comments because it was ‘Sports Related’ with the football player’s murder/suicide, the same day a man on Staten Island murdered his wife with a baseball bat. A ‘Bat’ is sports related too – Costas should have suggested we outlaw bats out of the hands of a professional.

    • Leftnot

      Your comment should be up for awards, James. I tried to copy and post on facebook but it wouldn’t allow the entirety and I wasn’t going to plajiarize. Well said!

  • Roger Jack Young

    If a school employee had been armed maybe those young kids would still be alive. Think about it!

  • GregB

    FACTS COUNT – NOT UNSUPPORTED RUMORS
    There is no way the USA or this blog will be able to move forward on any important debate unless FACTS and footnoting are the cornerstone .
    For example below Steve E stated: “The Japanese did not attack the U.S. mainland because their leader said that “in the U.S., there is a gun under every blade of grass”.
    >>>FACT: their Admiral Yamamoto stated that it was simply impossible for Japan to bring enough naval power to begin to attack the USA. That blade of grass rumor must be fueled by grass………..

    Vietnam 6871 stated:”Get your facts straight. The cities with the strictest gun controls have the worst crime rates. Where ever concealed carry permits have been allowed, the crime rates have dropped dramatically. The bad guys will always have guns so the more good guys also have guns, the fewer the crimes. Just ask the Aussies about gun control, over 80% of them now deeply regret their no-guns policy and the violent crime rate has already more than doubled.”
    >>> are these claims supported by FACTS? If so,pls state them.
    For example I know that NYC’s homicide rate dropped dramatically after Mayor Bloomberg instituted draconian measures. Austraila’s “experiment” seems to be working according to their government: “The public’s perception is that violence is increasing, but trends in violent crime reported to police since the early 1990s reveal a mixed story. Homicide has decreased by nine percent since 1990 and armed robbery by one-third since 2001…”

    • http://101joyousthoughts.wordpress.com 101joyousthoughts

      To clarify my position, it’s a complex matter and lots of lies are circulated because of the passion involved. We need a clear body of FACTS.
      Personally I own several guns and do believe that there needs to be a limit on the # of rounds in the clip so some nutcase’s ability to do mass-murder is more limited.
      One thing is for sure, our country is the Most Homicidal in the developed world and that is shameful !

      • Nadzieja Batki

        And no we are not the Most Homicidal nation among the developed nations. You just don’t hear what goes on around the world. Don’t make yourself a bigger liar than what you already are.

      • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

        Interesting that violence seems to rise in proportion to how far our society strays from having a sound moral basis that is pretty much common to us all. Seems to me that all our relatively new found “diversity” and “tolerance” are leading directly to huge amounts of stress, which manifests as inappropriate behavior. Lack of a cultural norm has apparently allowed many without proper training and supervision during their formative years to practice their own version of reality according to the voices in their heads, the rants of their drug and alcohol addled families, the latest gangsta rap lyrics, Harry Reid, etc. Basically, we now have the best country that money, greed, apathy, and ignorance can buy… Hell yes, we need state of the art weaponry… the wild west had nothing on us… at least out there, everyone knew the real rules. In our current situation, the prevailing rule is CYA by whatever means available. Bringing knives to gunfights has never been smart. This is one of the few constants in life. If America makes any claim at all to being a “free” country, our citizens must have at least a fighting chance. When seconds count and help is only minutes away, we must sometimes take matters into our own hands. This is what made America exceptional and frankly, what we need a lot more of, if we ever wish to recover from our current funk. Guns are but a small, but critical, aspect of the whole deal…

  • http://yagooft.info YAGOOFT

    For every sad killing, none more sad than the CT killings, there are dozens of saved lives due to legal gun ownership, so once again the liberals are taking their anti gun rhetoric to the press when a disaster like this happens. Very sad day when a tragedy has to be made into a political statement by the masses of asses in government.

    • Vicki

      YAGOOFT writes:
      “…so once again the liberals are taking their anti gun rhetoric to the press when a disaster like this happens. ”

      A disaster THEY caused by creating GunFree zones.

    • Mac M

      All that you say is very true.

      To understand an argument you can just look at the last one you had with anybody. Do you turn what they have to say against yourself? Of course not. But Politicians are masters of using any situation, good or bad, to their own use. They are not going to use the statistics that say that an armed person was able to repel or defend themselves and or their loved ones. It does not support the position they want to put forth.

      For instance, their point (gun control) is that one man with guns killed 26 people in a school that was a defenseless gun free area. Out of the 316 million Americans 315,999,999 did not do so is counter productive for them and mentioning that fact is to be avoided like the plague.

  • Les

    Some where in the American fabric it changed from “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” to “The Pursuit of Your Life, Liberty and Happiness”.

  • Sam Adams

    A armed citizen stopped the shooting in Oregon. He didn,t have to shoot he just showed his weapon at point blank range and the shooter shot himself.

  • ob Rice

    Actually Steve,what he said is there is a person,with a gun,under every blade of grass…

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    Front Sight firearms training institute will train three from each scool for free. This has been a standing offer from it’s founder, Dr Ignatious Piazza, since Columbine 13 years ago.
    Let’s level the playing field and afford our kids realistic protection in this, out of control, world we live in these days!
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    • Larry K.

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  • Steve E

    During World War II. The Japanese did not attack the U.S. mainland because their leader said that “in the U.S., there is a gun under every blade of grass”.

  • Eddie Smith

    In 1968, as an 18 year old kid, I went to Vietnam. Back then the question each Soldier had to ask themselves was, when it comes time and I am being shot at will I be able to pull the trigger and take a human life? This question could not be answered until that actual moment arrived, and some found out that the answer was no. We were raised on “thou shall not kill” and “all life is sacred”. We were raised with Pinball and Pool halls, and gun violence, on television and in the movies was always for the protection of life not for the senseless taking of it.
    Today there is an entirely different culture in America. Gun violence in the movies is glorified as a way to quick fame and respect from your peers. Parents have been legislated away from their responsibility to raise their children as self-respecting, productive, responsible members of society. When a child does something wrong, we now have to talk to them and explain what they did wrong and why they shouldn’t do it again. Children are now taught that if you raise a hand to them “if you touch me I will call Child Protective Services”. A good “Ass whipping” never hurt a child for more than a few minutes and it reinforced the idea that we meant what we said. I do not advocate beating a child but a spanking is sometimes necessary. Repeating yourself a dozen times does nothing to deter or teach a child.
    I am now 63 years old and I live in Texas. I have owned guns for all of my adult life. In September 2011 my house burned and I lost all of them except one. I have owned that one for about 30 years and have not even fired it in over 20 years, it is for home defense. In the state of Texas I cannot get a permit for concealed carry because I carry a Veterans Administration disability rating of 100%, for Post- Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Because of the misinformation in the Media and on Television lawmakers think I am a time bomb waiting to explode and go on a rampage. If anything, exactly the opposite is true. I am far more fearful of being locked in a cage than of anything else. If you do a background check on me, you will find that I have spent 1 night in jail for Public intoxication and disorderly conduct, when I was 15 years old.
    Gun control is not the answer to the problem of mass murders. The answer is to reinstall the sanctity of all life and good family values in our youth. It appears that the recent episodes of mass violence have occurred most in states with the strictest gun control laws, with the exceptions of Colorado where both instances, Columbine and the Movie Theater, were in so called “Gun free zones”. Ask Chicago and New York City how their gun control laws are working out?

    • Walter77777

      Eddie: PTSD is a whole range of symptoms, and many vets who were in Vietnam some time 1965-to the end of USA involvement have had flashbacks and a range of other symptoms. A dear friend of mine who also had PTSD had a Colt.45 in the home because he feared all sorts of terrible things happening.

      In 1980 he took his piece and shot himself on the absolute spur of the moment.

      W.

      • Eddie Smith

        Walter, I know all about that. When I was first diagnosed, in 1995, I went to the In-patient PTSD program in Waco, Texas. And then followed up with over 15 years of 1 a week group sessions. That, at least, kept me from doing something stupid. It is amazing what spending 2 hours a week with a group of people you feel you can trust, who feel what you feel and you can talk about anything with can help. I started dating my wife, of 43 years, before I went to Vietnam the first time. He knows how I was before going and how I have changed.She is very good at knowing when and what to say and when to leave me alone.

  • Vietnam6871

    And an “assault rifle” as described by the dumb-ass press is not an assault rifle. It is the same as a normal hunting rifle that is semi-automatic. The magazine might hold more on an AR15 or AK47 look-alike but it doesn’t take long to reload a hunting rifle so there is virtually no difference except in looks. A real assault rifle is fully automatic and, although these can be purchased by you or me, they have to be processed by a Federal Firearms Licensee with a Class III license and there are very few of them. The background checking is unbelievably extensive and time consuming. A $200 tax is paid to the ATF to start the process and the wait can easily be two years. BUT – you can buy a fully automatic AK47 or Uzi, etc. Now THOSE are assault rifles.
    ALSO, I have 9mm semi-automatic pistols that will hold 15 rounds and I can eject a mag and slam a new one home in less than one second – are the dumb-asses going to call those assault rifles?
    I am sick and tired of you pathetic liberals that will politicize a horror like Newtown. You are despicable. Get your facts straight. The cities with the strictest gun controls have the worst crime rates. Where ever concealed carry permits have been allowed, the crime rates have dropped dramatically. The bad guys will always have guns so the more good guys also have guns, the fewer the crimes. Just ask the Aussies about gun control, over 80% of them now deeply regret their no-guns policy and the violent crime rate has already more than doubled.

    • JC

      RIGHT ON !!

    • Jeff

      In answer to your question, Diane Feinstein lists any handgun that has a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine that can contain more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon. That’s all of them.

      It’s interesting that the gun control advocates have legislation already drafted. They wait, like ghoulish vultures, until a mass shooting occurs so they can urge the people to act in haste baed on emotion rather than reason.

      The only difference between the left wing and vultures is that vultures have a vital place in nature. The vultures would also be offended by the comparison.

    • Steve E

      It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
      The first year results are now in:
      Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
      Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
      Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
      In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

      • JC

        The results speak for themselves.

  • David L. McKenzie

    I probably should say that I am and have been a conceal carry license holder since it has been possible in my state. I have had two incidents where I had to draw my weapon but have never fired a round under these circumstances. I shoot in competitively with handguns and train regularly for self defense. Anyone that does carry and does not train is a fool. Just because you happen to own a scalpel does not make you qualified to do a heart transplant. The talk about automatics vs. semiautomatics is just dribble by people who know very little about the subject, they simply have an agenda to promote. I shoot with a revolver and can shoot all 6 rounds in less than 2 seconds and all of them will hit the target, a re-load takes about 1 second. Yes someone with a semiautomatic can shoot more rounds quicker but twelve rounds in 5 seconds is still plenty fast enough to do damage if one is so inclined. The problem is not a gun problem it is a people problem. Keep guns away from people that should not have access to them.

    • steve

      amen to that

    • Daveh234

      So your advocating restrictions then?

      • David L. McKenzie

        No I am advocating enforcement of the existing laws. It is already a crime to allow mentally ill people to have access to firearms so infrom those that already own the weapons that they are responsible for obeying that law. Unfortunately these and many other current laws are ignored.

      • Vicki

        Definition of “mentally ill”. And are you willing to imprison them to protect them as was done in the past?

  • David L. McKenzie

    I agree Aaron we do have the ability to have weapons to protect ourselves and our families that some in other countries do not have. The main problem is not the guns but the people holding the guns. There are two types, first of all the criminal that simply will kill you to take what you have and secondly the mentally ill that have a constant struggle going on in their heads that they are not thinking rationally. Unfortunately the mental health community has succumbed to the political correctness driven attitude that these mentally ill people should be allowed to live free among the relatively sane members of our society and we find ourselves under attack by them. They cannot control their thoughts and many times their emotions but this does not mean they are not intelligent or able to reason. They simply have trouble interpreting the results of their thoughts into what we consider rational actions. These people are capable of detailed planning and scheduling of their actions but for irrational reasons and obviously horrifying results. Hopefully the medical and mental community will pull their heads out and finally do something about this problem.

    • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

      Sadly, when sick people cross the line and become involved in destruction they have placed themselves in the same category as a rampaging animal, and unfortunately the same countermeasures sometimes become required. Again, the point is whether we as individuals choose to face this scenario responsibly, or to accept that when seconds count, help is minutes away. I can’t change the mental health system, or the voices in your head. I can conduct my life so that I am not the victim of our system’s or some unfortunate sicko’s biases and tribulations. This is my and your God given right, whether we choose to exercise it or not. As for me and mine, we choose to live free, and to do whatever we must in order to continue doing so…

  • Richard Bushong

    I don’t know too many 5 – 10 year olds that can protect themselves so it is up to the parents , teahers, and administrators to do it or have hardened locked doors and armed security at the schools. Take the money from feel good legislation and pay for hardware and personnel to accomplish this. Be glad we don’t live where we worry about where missles are going to land. There is not any legislation or words that will prevent this only diligence and responsibility.

  • http://www.chartersouth.com Ray McLeod

    Do your research. Of the millions of “legal” gun owners, less than 1% ever commit a
    gun crime. The States with the highest crime rate are the States that have laws against
    gun ownership. Those States that change their laws to allow citizens to “legally” own
    hand guns show that the crime rate is reduced. Legal gun ownership is what needs to
    be addressed and not to disarm the public as Germany, Russia, and South Africa
    in the past to reduce the threat against a tyrannous government.

    • Jeff

      By simple calculation, the number is more like a quarter of a tenth of a percent (0.025%). And that calculation is based on each crime being committed with a separate weapon.

  • Mr Diesel

    Or by people who don’t know the difference between an automatic and a semi-automatic.

  • http://aaron.com Aaron

    Vous avez de la chance de pouvoir posséder une arme à la maison; surtout luttez pour ce droit fondamental.

    • 9mm protection

      Learn to use spell check, your spelling is so awful I can’t make understand a thing you are trying to say
      ;-)

      • Vicki

        It’s not bad spelling. Its an encryption code.

        “You have the chance to have a weapon at home especially fight for this fundamental right.”
        Is the decoded message. The coding used is called “French”.

      • Last of the Jedi

        Lets hold criminals responsible,not peaceful citizens.Also this gun control issue needs setteled by The American people not obamas UN mandate!!

  • raysncane

    There was also an incident in Wausau Wi. About a week and a half ago. A motorist was victim of a road rage incident, his car was rammed, two individuals yanked him out of the vehicle and started to beat him. He was able to pull his weapon and hold the suspects till the police arrived. He was a concealed carry permit holder and informed the police of the fact during the 911 call as not to alarm the police when they arrived on scene.
    This situation could have turned out quite differently had he not been carrying.

    • Doc Sarvis

      “Road rage incidents” ARE NOT Mass Shootings!

      • raysncane

        No kidding? It’s not really about “mass killings” as much as it’s about the right to be able to defend against them or other threats.
        Let me get some crayons so I can explain it to you!

      • Doc Sarvis

        The article we are commenting on IS about mass shootings!

      • JC

        Doc needs to keep the conversation specific to his weak arguments so he can feel like he has a valid point somehow. It’s a common trait of control freaks everywhere.

      • JC

        In fact we could broaden the discussion by pointing that the article is about stopping crimes in progress, which it is…

        So to that end here’s a site with hundreds, if not thousands of accounts of gun owneres stopping crimes. Of course the liberal media won’t mention any of these now will they?

        After locking up, a female employee of Cakes and Confections 4U was leaving the business through a back door when she realized she was cornered by two strange men. One man struck her in the jaw while the other ripped off her necklace and earrings. When the men then attempted to sexually assault the woman, she produced a concealed .32 cal. firearm from her waistband and fired. Both men immediately dropped the stolen jewelry and ran. It was last reported that the assailants were still at large. After the incident, the woman said her firearm saved her life and that she had a strong message to all women, “If you don’t have a gun or you’re scared of guns, get familiar with them and get a gun.” (FOX Carolina 21, Landrum, SC, 8/29/12)

        http://www.americanrifleman.org/BlogList.aspx?cid=25&id=21

      • Doc Sarvis

        Just last week some of you folks were chastizing me for not sticking to the subject.

      • The Big Easy

        @-doc———–COMRADE————What difference does it make if there is only one or many victims???????? They DO have a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to protect ourselves from the criminals and the whack jobs.————You sound like one of those ADULT DIAPER BOYS that has a very heavily soiled ADULT DIAPER that is ooooooozzzzzzzzzing out all over your ADULT DIAPER BOY BED and yourself.You should get your ADULT DIAPER BOY MOMMIE to give you a CHANGE and be sure to have your ADULT MOMMIE to wipe all that ADULT DIAPER DRIBBLE from your mouth.——————What a puke———————

      • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

        Doc, the relevant idea here is not the specifics of any particular incident, no matter how horrible. The core principle is my and your God given right to defend one’s self and other innocents from being harmed or killed unjustly. It is your choice alone whether to exercise that right or not. You, nor the government, have nothing to say about the choice I or anyone else makes in such a circumstance. This is at the foundation of the entire concept of Liberty; free people have the right and the ability and the responsibility to make these choices for themselves, rather than submitting to the fact that when seconds count, the authorities are minutes away. Hopefully, if you or yours are ever in such a grave circumstance, I or someone who feels like me will be nearby to act in your behalf, since your stance here implies that you will not be willing or able to do so. There are millions of instances every year where armed free citizens prevent or stop terrible things from taking place by having and being willing to use their guns. I for one am comforted by the fact that many of my fellow citizens have chosen to stand up to this responsibility. I for one am also committed to resisting vigorously those who would attempt to interfere with this right. If I didn’t, I couldn’t look my family or my fellows in the eye and claim to be responsible enough to claim all the benefits of being an American Citizen. Hopefully, as you go about enjoying the benefits of being an American, you will come to appreciate that your share of the concurrent responsibility goes beyond paying the lowest taxes that your accountant can finagle you…

      • Mac M

        Ok, I think we need to clear something up here. Most (not all but the vast majority) of handguns are either revolvers, or semi-automatics. Just as darn few long guns in the public are “full Automatic”. They all are designed to make a “projectile” come out of the barrel and hit or kill something.

        I have personally seen a “gun fight” on a construction site between two carpenters using air operated nail guns that shot 16d nails over 100 feet. When the foreman pulled the plug on the air lines, they went to hammers.

        What I would like to get cleared up is what level, or number, does it take for people to get onto the band wagon for gun control?? But it does not seem like, to me anyway, that the “Gun Control” crowd get excited until it is a multiple victim shooting.

        One is too many, and if someone should be foolish enough to threaten my life, they will be the winner in the short life contest between themselves and my legal CCW weapon.

        I think they should “Control” Cars and booze. We kill more people on the highways of this country than guns do. Every year, and alcohol is in a lot of cases is a contributing factor.

        I guess I have my thinking backwards to the “crowd”. I think, at least for myself, that the Swiss have the right idea. The government provides and requires that every household be issued not only a rifle, but also the bullets and training to go with it. Oh, and they have the lowest crime rate, and lowest death by gun assault of all the industrialized nations in the world.

        You won’t hear of the school in Texas that encourages CCWs not just with the principal but several of the teachers too, ever having a situation like we had in CT last week.

        Go to any prison. Ask any inmate that is in there for either a violent crime, or robbery, burglary, car jacking etc. Which they would prefer: An unarmed, defenseless victim or to pick one that they know is armed and will use it. Silly question, really.

        What is next? Hammer Control. Knife Control. Club control. Fist Control. Rope Control. Rock Control. Martial Arts Control. Bicycle Control. Skateboard Control. Or in the case of the first murder…… Jaw bone of an ass Control.

      • James Quimby

        There is no community that has any more regulations and rules or control of the community members than in a maximum security prison. But even with this amount of control, there is no way that the prison management can stop the murders, assaults, rapes, drug use, and other crimes in the prison community. How can any government stop all such crimes in an open society without anywhere near that level of control?

        The government can say how bad things are like the Newtown shooting, but they cannot prevent all such things from happening in the future no matter what laws are passed. All new laws can do is to further restrict the rights of the law abiding who need more freedom to protect themselves and their families and other people they might have helped.

  • David Mixon

    Hand guns are not automatics. They are simiautomatic. There is a huge difference. You need to learn it.

    • Steve E

      Just wanted to throw this in there…Revolvers are not semiautomatic, neither are bolt or lever action repeater rifles.

  • Norm Dahm

    An S&W 38 saved me and my teenage children from a person who was drunk & intended to do us harm.
    There was no shooting and the man fled when he saw the firearm

    • http://twitter.com/Tinkerbell25773 Camille Williams (@Tinkerbell25773)

      I have a CCW and I carry a S&W Lady Smith, .38 special, it’s light and easy to get too. I carry everywhere it’s legal and our daughters 11and 12 know this. We are members of a shooting club that has a shooting range that includes, county, city, and state police. Our girls enjoy competitive shooting contests with our .22 rifles…My dad used to work at a liquor store years ago and a would be robber came in with something under his shirt, he said it was a gun, Dad said he saw what looked like a barrel, but dad thinking he was going to be shot, pulled his and the would be robber ran out…dad called the police and he was caught within hours. We don’t shop at stores that don’t allow legal CCW carry, nor do we eat at resurants that don’t allow us to legally carry.

  • Doc Sarvis

    A LOT more are stopped by mental health professionals and by perps NOT having an automatic weapon to use.

    • Tigerous

      Agreed, and thank goodness for that, but it has nothing to do with the role of firearms.

      • Doc Sarvis

        SURE it does. Reread the last eight words in my one sentence post.

      • JC

        Curious Doc…do you know the difference between and automatic and a semi-automatic?
        Because you don’t seem to. The killer at Sandy Hook was using a semi-automatic which is NOT an assault rifle. So as usual, you liberal idiots are going after the wrong gun and penalizing law abiding citizens with your completely unrealistic ideology.
        And sinse you’re so convinced that Big Pharma has all the answers….why don’t you medicate yourself into a lucid state? Hmmm? ;-)

      • Steve E

        JC, that just show you how ignorant the left is about guns. They think they are experts, but do not know what an automatic weapon is. Is anyone really going to validate someone who doesn’t know a thing about what they talking about?

    • Robert

      Ok Doc what do you do when your goverment runs guns to mexico and then declares presidential emunity. Do you have a mental health cure for that.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Elect good government and hold them accountable.

      • steve

        doc you’ll have to go back to adam and eve to secure the word good. and that’s before satan came into the picture.

      • Steve E

        Doc, you have to have good people to elect good government. And we are all out of them right now.

      • JUKEBOX

        Remove Obama & Holder from office due to diminished mental capacity.

      • momo

        Doc Sarvis says:
        December 19, 2012 at 7:54 am
        Elect good government and hold them accountable.

        We can’t when morons like you can vote!

      • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

        Robert, is “emunity” some kind of new fangled health care protocol from Obamacare to protect us from a new strain of ‘bird-brain’ flu? Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

    • TGechManDan

      A crazy dilusional individual determined to harm others will use what ever weapon available. Just look at the mass Stabbing at the school in china that happened last Friday.Mass stabbings happen more frequently then shootings are, they are generally not reported by the msm as often.

      • Jonathan Baker

        @ TGechManDan “Mass stabbings happen more frequently then shootings are, they are generally not reported by the msm as often.” So, tell us where you got your information. What sources of information do you have that the rest of us don’t to allow you to make such an *informed* statement? Hyperbole will not do credit to your position. And I happen to agree with your position.

        Persuation with logic and facts is what needs to be articulated. As an example, from http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001915.htm the leading cause of death of children ages 0 – 1, developmental and genetic conditions present at birth; ages 1 – 4, accidents; ages 5 – 15, accidents; 15 – 24, accidents. A search of the internet for “how many children are killed with guns” will produce many informative hits.

        As sad as this tragedy is, the root cause is not the gun used in the killing but the person pulling the trigger. What has cause him or her to kill? What can be done to change the circumstances so that people won’t be driven to commit these senseless acts? Does the exposure to violence in games, on tv, in the movies, in mass killings using drones, or state execution for crimes promote a disregard for human life? Taking away the tools will not cure the killer. Correcting the environment that produced the killer may.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        A few years back my brother-in-law played pool with some guys and won a lot of money, he was staying at my home and the guys followed him to my place with the intent of getting their money back. There were six of them, with clubs, tire irons and more and they would have broke into my home where my wife and two daughters were if I hadn’t confronted them with my pistol. I believe that pistol, semi-auto saved our family that night don’t want to think of what would have happened if I didn’t have that weapon against six drunk and crazy men. Gun Control is hitting what you aim at and the Marine Corps taught me well and I will always defend my family at all cost. God Bless: PS Jesus asked his followers if they had a sword? And when they said no, He told them to sell their coats and buy one.

      • jag57

        You bring up an interesting point, any weapon; why instead of protecting some children while the perp was reloading, why didn’t the teacher use anything she could get her hands on to attack him? Anything can serve as a deadly “assault weapon,” pencil, pen, scissors, just about anything. After he reloaded, he killed her.

    • johnny

      Americans use guns like this two million times a year to stop major felonies.You just don;t hear about it in your MSM spoon feedings.

    • Mark111

      @Doc. One of the first things Hitler championed and accomplished as a member of the Reichstag was to pass a law requiring registration of all civilian firearms. Later, when he became chancellor, he confiscated civilian owned firearms. I know some police and former police personally and a few who work(ed) for DEA and ATF. Based on what I know of them, I really do believe citizens of the USA should be allowed to own whatever firearms the DEA and ATF are allowed to use–at least we will stand a chance when some President decides he should be president-for-life or some political party decides when they are in the majority they want to make the system a one-party system.

      • steve

        that’s coming

      • JC

        Mark, I might add that Hitler “disappeared” those gun owners, in case they might have any guns hidden away with which to oppose him.

      • Steve E

        Just keep this phrase in mind and live by it…”Death before Disarmament”.
        It’s Militia Time.

      • Walter77777

        Before Hitler (Y;makh sh’mo v’zikroh!)* there were gun control laws in Germany with the ownership of handguns restricted to law enforcement and trained persons who had passed background checks and had responsibilities as bodyguards or guardians of valuables. Long guns were registered.

        the only gun control law passed in Germany in the 30s banned Jews from owning firearms.

        To this day Germany registers long guns and restricts ownership of handguns.

        w.

        *Blot out his name and memory. a curse written or said when mentioning a great enemy of Jews

      • JC

        Well Walter, thanks for verifying exactly why there should NOT be gun registration.
        Wasn’t it convenient for Hitler to have a list of all the guns to go and confiscate?
        Then start murdering defenseless citizens? Surely your not advocating such a thing for your fellow Americans…are you?

      • jag57

        You bring Rhodesia to mind, which Carter turned over to Robert Mugabe, in 1979, and his thugs have killed farmers and stolen farm land; now they can’t even feed themselves, where Rhodesia had been the bread basket of Africa.

    • JC

      Doc Sarvis says:

      December 19, 2012 at 6:57 am

      A LOT more are stopped by mental health professionals and by perps NOT having an automatic weapon to use.
      ______________________________________________________________________

      Take a look Doc….here’s someone who agrees that drugs are the answer,
      and was willing to commit a crime to get some….”good stuff”

      Pharmacist John Agyemang was working alone around 2 p.m. at Jolin’s Pharmacy when an armed man entered and demanded painkillers. Agyemang distracted the robber by telling him there was someone entering the store. When the suspect turned around, Agyemang dashed to the store’s back room where he kept his gun. According to police, multiple shots were fired and the suspect was able to get away on a mountain bike. It is unknown whether or not the suspect was wounded. There were no other reported injuries. (CBS, Winslow Township, NJ, 9/12/12)

    • flfarmer

      Automatic weapons are and have been illegal in the USA for ever!
      There were NO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS USED IN THE HORRIBLE MASS MURDERS over the past years! Anyone that thinks gun control laws will stop these murders is completely DELUSIONAL !!!

      • http://itsootsme.wordpress.com sootsme

        Um, actually, automatic weapons are legal, but are cost & hassle prohibitive for the arms themselves, as well as the taxes & licenses that apply. Most folks either choose not to spend that much money, or not to bother with the bureaucracy involved in the exercise of this theoretically God given right. (Also, our Second Amendment is intended to be about keeping our government in line as much as any other aspect of arms possession.) Anyone reputable and stable can rent & fire full auto weapons at several ranges around here. Can’t leave with them unless you have proper (complicated/expensive) Federal license & lots of cash to pay for the gun though.

      • jag57

        Gun control is a total failure; where guns are banned, as in schools, theaters, malls, or anywhere a lot of people gather, massacres happen, because this creates a safe workplace for criminals.

        At this very time, you can bet there is some deranged person out there thinking about how he can perpetrate a grander massacre. These perps love talk about gun control and love gun bans,

    • Randy G

      Ever notice that when a driver under the influence injures or kills someone they go after the driver not the car( That caused the problem) but a shooter(under some influence) they go after the gun. How many people are killed by cars every day?

      • http://WWSDeals.com Winfield

        An excellent, rational, analogy sir. It’s a shame the majority cannot follow this simple logic.

      • Vicki

        They can not follow or they choose to not follow.

    • GunSupporter

      Actually, over the last decade, better than 90% of the mass murderers were using prescription anti-depressants. A little publicized fact is that anti-depressants tend to cause suicidal and homicidal feelings. That’s drugs that were prescribed by a doctor coupled with guns that were obtained illegally (in spite of gun control laws).

      • Andrew Roseweir

        This is the absolute truth. As a retired law enforcement officer and ex military veteran. Most people do not understand that these people that commit these crimes are on some sort of drug . It turns out allegedly that this Ct. scum bag was pissed at Mom because she was advocating putting him in a mental health facility? I agree weapons should be locked up securely in the home.Other than that nothing would have stopped this guy even if he had to use a kitchen knife or a hammer??????? Wake up! There is evil in the world, regardless of what causes them to do their acts -the weapons are not the cause.

    • http://twitter.com/Tinkerbell25773 Camille Williams (@Tinkerbell25773)

      Doc, “automatic” weapons are already banned, and you’re also wrong on defensive gun use; guns are used over 2 million times a year for personal defense.

    • http://twitter.com/Tinkerbell25773 Camille Williams (@Tinkerbell25773)

      Doc, that isn’t true at all! Let me ask you a question; as anti-gun you are, I would bet that you also believe the war on drugs is also a failure; druggies don’t abide by drug laws so libs want to decriminalize drug dealers and users, if drug laws don’t work, what makes you think criminals will abide by gun laws?

    • Oldshooter

      As a mental health worker myself, I wonder where you got the data you report. For example, how do we know (how COULD we know) how many mass shootings were stopped by mental health professionals? I’m aware of no data addressing this and can’t even see how it could be gathered if someone decided to study it.

      Second, your contention that the lack of “automatic” (I assume you meant semi-automatic – but that’s a quibble) guns in the possession of potential mass murderers prevents, or has prevented, other mass shootings seems equally shaky. There isn’t any data on this either, that I’m aware of. In fact, all the available data that I have seen suggests just the opposite. The recent proliferation (within the last 25 years or so) of readily accessible guns, both handguns and rifles, both semiautomatic and other types, is only correlated with a dramatic reduction of shootings, both mass and otherwise. Further, the mass shootings occurring in the last 30 years have occurred almost exclusively in places where the carrying of guns was illegal. While not definitive, this strongly suggests that mass murderers avoid places where they think others may be carrying those semiautomatic (or other) guns you seem to be so opposed to.

      In fact, all the data I have found strongly suggests (for technical mathematical reasons it is statistically impossible to “prove” it) that the modern proliferation of those very popular semiautomatic guns, in conjunction with modern concealed carry laws, is the reason we don’t have MORE shootings, rather than less. You can find the best synopsis of research in the field on Dr. John Lott’s website. Just Google it for more data.

    • Mike The American

      ” A LOT more are stopped by mental health professionals ” . Newsflash, Damn near everyone of these mass shooting in the past few decades were committed by people were on anti-depressants & other anti-psychotic medications prescribed by so called mental health professionals so I fail to see your logic.

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