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Teaching House Speaker Boehner How To Negotiate

December 13, 2012 by  

 

Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. House Speaker John Boehner is negotiating like a man who believes he is already outflanked and defeated by President Barack Obama. As a Republican, I am embarrassed for Boehner and my party.

As a small businessman who has survived through his street smarts and negotiating skills (often up against much wealthier deep-pocketed competitors), I have some pointers for Boehner. I’m going to teach him out to negotiate from strength, not weakness. My goal is to prevent a GOP “brand suicide” in these fiscal cliff negotiations.

First, winning this negotiation is about winning the media battle. You need a winning argument. Doesn’t Boehner know that this battle has already been won in England? Why aren’t the House Speaker and his lieutenants in the media day and night, pointing out that the U.K. tried Obama’s exact idea of a “millionaire’s tax” only a year ago and it proved a disaster. Two-thirds of the millionaires in the U.K. disappeared in one year: from 16,000 to 6,000. Either they moved to other countries with their money, or they slowed down and stopped working so hard.

As a result, tax revenues plunged, instead of increasing. Two years ago, British millionaires contributed 9 percent of all taxes. After the special tax on “the rich” passed, this same group produced 4.4 percent of all taxes. In other words, U.K. politicians damaged their economy, and proved that revenues go down with the same “millionaire’s tax” that Obama now demands.

There is no debate. The case is settled. The “millionaire’s tax” is a proven failure. Get that message out before we kill our economy just like the U.K. did.

Second, winning this negotiation is about winning the public relations battle. Obama travels the Nation, stopping in the homes of middle-class families and asking them how paying $2,000 in extra taxes would affect them. Brilliant.

The face of the top 2 percent isn’t a billionaire. It’s the small-business owner, the professional, the family farmer. The GOP needs to win over the American public by showing them the faces of small business that will be affected by higher taxes.

The GOP should purchase national TV infomercial time and introduce America to farmers who will lose their farms because of this new tax; doctors who will lay off nurses; homeowners who will no longer pay the mortgage on their underwater homes if they get hit with higher taxes or loss of deductions; small-business owners who, because of a tax increase, will lay off half their employees.

Show the voters real faces and real stories. I know people with each of these stories — including me. Maybe Warren Buffett and Bill Gates can afford a tax increase, but most small-business owners are struggling to pay bills and keep their businesses going. We are hurting, too. We cannot afford a tax increase. “The rich” that Obama is attacking aren’t billionaires. They are you and me – small-business owners. Why is it OK to present us with a tax increase for Christmas?

Third, Obama claims this tax increase is “just going back to Clinton-era rates.” The GOP needs to take the offensive to debunk this misleading statement. The Bill Clinton economy was fueled by a GOP Senate and House that forced Clinton to cut spending, cut rules and regulations, lower capital gains taxes (to encourage investment, thereby creating jobs), and end welfare as we know it. And the GOP Congress killed government-run healthcare, too. The Clinton economy boomed because government, spending and entitlements were much smaller than today.

Each time Obama demands Clinton-era tax rates, Boehner should say: “Let’s go back to the size of government, spending and entitlements under Clinton. Let’s eliminate all the rules, regulations and mandates since Clinton. Then, we can compromise and raise rates to Clinton levels.”

Fourth, Obama claims his victory was a mandate for tax increases. So let’s give Obama’s voters tax increases. Why is Obama defending the Bush tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans? Obama is admitting that Bush was right: Lower taxes are good for the economy. He says a tax increase now would devastate the economy. Really? If lower taxes are good for Obama’s voters (who voted for higher taxes), why wouldn’t they be good for everyone? This argument makes Obama look foolish and hypocritical. Boehner needs to take the offensive.

Fifth, point out that Obama created the fiscal cliff with $5 trillion in new debt. He is a spending addict. There is no “tax problem.” Taxes aren’t low. Obama has more tax revenues than any President in history. He’s just spent it all and then some. If high taxes worked, why are the PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain) all bankrupt and insolvent? And closer to home, why isn’t Detroit an economic model for the Nation? Why have more than 1 million citizens escaped from California in the past decade? There is no debate; this is already settled. Big government, big taxes and big spending destroy economies.

Lastly, let me give Boehner a hint about the art of negotiating. Obama already showed his hand a year ago. He asked for $800 billion in new taxes. This time, he asked for $1.6 trillion. That was a negotiating tactic. When Boehner came back with an offer of $800 billion, he handed Obama 100 percent of what he wanted in the first place. How dumb is that? How weak is that? Who taught Boehner how to negotiate? A librarian?

Boehner needs to point out there is only one antidote for this mess. Canada proved it in the 1990s. Its political parties agreed to compromise with massive spending cuts and tax cuts. That combination worked. Its economy healed. Its debt crisis ended.

That Canadian miracle proves that Ronald Reagan missed the other half of the equation that would have put our Nation on the right path 30 years ago: combining big tax cuts that encourage, motivate and reward entrepreneurship, investment and financial risk-taking with big spending cuts. That’s the half that never happened under Reagan: the spending cuts. Put those two together, and we get the greatest economic explosion in world history.

But Obama wants the disastrous opposite: tax increases combined with more spending and more debt to solve a spending and debt crisis. That’s like being diagnosed with cancer and asking your doctor for more cancer, which is why Boehner needs to get strong, be bold and take the offensive.

If the GOP caves on tax hikes, it is committing “brand suicide.” Going along with tax hikes as a compromise is not the answer, simply because it’s going along with damaging the U.S. economy.

In any negotiation the only way to win is to walk in prepared to walk away from a bad deal. Speaker Boehner, this is how you win a negotiation.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for PersonalLiberty.com. See you next week. Same time, same place. God bless America and capitalism.

Wayne Allyn Root

(W.A.R.) is a former Presidential candidate, the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee and a Tea Party favorite. He is the ultimate capitalist evangelist: a blue-collar S.O.B. (son of a butcher) turned small businessman, entrepreneur, CEO, home-schooler and citizen politician. Root is a talk-show host, bestselling author, business speaker and TV/radio commentator on business, economics, entrepreneurship and politics. He is a regular guest on Fox News, as well as on hundreds of radio shows across the United States. Root's opinions reach tens of millions of Americans as a regular columnist and commentator for many of the most popular political and business websites, including FoxNews.com. He also writes regularly for The Washington Times. He is the bestselling author of seven books. Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, including Asset Strategies International, a global precious metals company, and Senior Economic Advisor to Wealth Masters International, a global financial services company. He is also well known in the television and media industries. Root started his career as an anchorman and host for CNBC (then known as Financial News Network). He has hosted, starred and produced many television shows. Today, he is a producer of the highest-rated television show on Travel Channel, "Ghost Adventures."  Because of his success in the diverse fields of business, media, sports, entertainment and publishing, Root was awarded his own 180-pound granite star in the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. Only 50 legends in the history of Las Vegas have received a star on Las Vegas Boulevard. Root joins Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Wayne Newton, Liberace and Dean Martin, along with other icons of business and entertainment. Root's star can be viewed in front of New York New York Resort. A native New Yorker and graduate of prestigious Columbia University, this capitalist evangelist proudly resides in Nevada, a State with no personal or business income tax. His website is ROOTforAmerica.com.

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  • Doc Sarvis

    Robert Smith is correct. The Republicans are starting from a position of weakness. The American people as a whole, and even Republicans as a whole, agree with President Obama that the Bush tax cuts should NOT be extended for the top 1-2%. That is evident from the election results and the exit polls.
    Boehner must first realize that it is the President who has the upper hand this time. GOP “brand suicide” would occur if the Speaker does not recognize this.
    I am not saying, and neither is the President, that certain cuts should not be made; but ending the redistribution of wealth to the very top, as has been occurring at an excellerated rate, is starving the Middle Class financially.

    • DaveH

      How do you explain the Majority Republicans returned to the House of Representatives, the body of Congress that represents the People?

      • Doc Sarvis

        How many were up for re-election?

      • Flashy

        Doc..all house members were up for re-election. Daveyboy just wants to deflect from the fact the the majority of the GOP House came from gerrymendered districts where even Stalin would win if he ran as a GOPer. Even with that, the GOP still lost five (or was it six?) .

        The real number to look at is the Senate. twice as many Dems were up for re-election, and the GOP lost seats.

      • DaveH

        Would you guys like some cheese with that whine?

      • Flashy

        Davey boy…you do realize do you not that, you come across nuttier than the bottom of a Port O potty at a Peanut festival …

      • DaveH

        I will take nutty any day to what you are Flashman — devoid of honesty and decency.

  • http://Facebook.com Robin Frey

    Republicans got to lean how to be nice, this is why you can’t get nothing done. Try to act like People again, when your nice you win, when your not nice you loose.

    • GRusling

      If that were true, Democrats could NEVER win, because they’re never nice to anyone who’s not a Democrat,,,

      • Deerinwater

        That is just not true, ~ I am surround by Republicans and get along very well with all of them at work and play. We just don’t dwell on our differences. ~ and of course after the recent election, it is like it never happened, which suits me fine. I know that they know I told them so and I was the only one that got it correct while I am minority of one in a crowd of many.

      • Karolyn

        What BS!

    • Texas Ride

      How naive. “Good guys finish last.” Besides, there are no good guys in Washington. They are all crooks or they wouldn’t be there for more than a couple of weeks..let alone Thirty and Forty years!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      A wolf like Robin Frey is telling the sheep to be nice when they protest about being savaged and eaten.

  • GRusling

    We all need to stop talking about Republicans and start electing real CONSERVATIVES, which today’s Republicans are not! There’s a real good reason why they’re called “Neo-Cons,” and Eisenhower tried to warn us about them…

  • Jennifer Cummins

    I’m an Ohioan, and I am very disappinted in Boehner’s communicattion skills. Republicans need an excellent communicator like a Newt Gingrich who knows how to fight for American taxpayers effectively.

    • GRusling

      Unfortunately, someone like Gingrich can never be successful in our current political system, for the same reason he was forced out of the GOP in the ’90′s. To him the “Contract With America” was a solemn pledge to voters, which he intended to keep! To the Republican party it was nothing more than a Campaign Promise which they never intended to honor, and he was ousted for trying to hold their feet to the fire!

      Newt Gingrich has too much baggage and too many enemies to ever be effective, but we certainly need someone like him. My vote is for Allen West…

    • DaveH

      Newt Gingrich is a NeoCon:
      http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2011/12/newt-gingrichs-positions-comprehensive-list-with-sources-spread-this-around-1461049.html

      Wake up, People, the Republicans are not on your side, unless you are a Crony Capitalist.

      • DaveH

        For Personal Liberty, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that comes with those, there is only one choice:
        http://www.lp.org/platform

  • rendarsmith

    I thought you were a libertarian Wayne.

    • DaveH

      Wayne is a LINO.

  • Flashy

    LOL…hilarious to watch the GOP and the extremists deny the reality that President Obama is asking for exactly what he said he would as he campaigned. And the voters gave him that mandate.

    In his proposal to the GOP, the President specified the revenues AND he specified real cuts. Not fairy tale cuts that the GOP is proposing without details. The GOP is promising to keep the redistribution of wealth going to the wealthy, and that huge cuts will be made in pending…without telling us what blood they’ll extract from the already anemic Middle Class.

    Let’s look at the “negotiating strength” of the two sides. The President has a 59% approval rating. 58% of the public state he has a mandate for his proposal. The GOP has a 30% approval rating, the Dems 45%. 19% would blame the President if the deal isn’t cut (do THAT math).

    Spending. Fact…this administration has increased federal spending by the lowest of any presidency since Carter. Take away the Bush I 2008-09 budget inherited, and the fiscal restraint this administration has practiced is right there for all to see (if they wanted). TARP I , that massive giveaway, and the payment on the Bush I debt skews the numbers Mr. Wayne (Romney in a landslide) Root cites.

    Spending has grown only 1.4 percent per year under Obama – one-fifth the rate under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/06/01/Whos-the-Biggest-Spender-Obama-or-Bush.aspx#QWuYStEvsfGGfcbU.99

    Chew on them numbers for awhile.

    Next…consider. jobs. We are at the cusp of a jobs recovery. All the basics are in place, and all the numbers point to it. The only lagging number is Consumer Confidence which has taken a small drop with the GOP intransigence and the fiscal cliff. holiday spending is not as robust as one would think…and the consumer polls point to the worry over the fiscal cliff negotiations. Romney knew we were on that edge of explosive job growth ahead…that was why he could promise 12 million new jobs his first four years. Because it will happen.

    Let’s also do some math. Let’s take a person having a net personal income of $500,000 (after deductions etc). The first 250 will not be having an increase in tax. The other $250 will have a 3% increase. Quick! how much extra is that? LOL … 3% of 250,000 is $7500. About $658 / month. Go ahead Mr. Root…tell us with an income after deduction of $500,000 one cannot afford a bill of $650/month. (what’s your manicurist and tanning bed treatment cost per month?)

    The spending cuts proposed by the administration won’t be very painful up front. They were needed anyhow and are cuts mostly to waste and attributed to the Recession. As jobs come back, revenues will climb accordingly even over that gained by having the wealthy pay for their fair share of their benefits received.

    Show Boehner how to negotiate? Go against the public opinion, the mandate, the numbers, and America’s future? Sure…..tell us how to negotiate…and negotiate for what? bleed the Middle Class even more than what jhas been done the past 30 years?

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill
      • Flashy

        Tony…you are correct. Bush just kept spending, going deeper into debt, and making sure the massive redistribution of wealth program initiated by Reagan continued.

        Consider this. Reagan, Bush I, Bush II. They all had a similar approach to woring with the Fed. They didn’t. Ecopnomic policy was made without coordinating with or receiving advice and opinion from the Fed. Both pursued policies without coordinating or consulting with the other. Result? we see the result. the economy went into a dive, the debt skyrocketed, wealth distribution tilted strongly to the upper 1%, the Middle Class got hammered and recessions became the norm.

        Clinton and Obama ? Both set economic policy in coordination with the Fed. Remember Clinton? The one who had us at or near a surplus? A “no-debt” future forecast by almost all economists by 2010? Full employment? Remember him?

        President Obama…kept us from going over the edge into the abyss of a Depression? Refused to follow the example of the economic decisions of Europe in attacking the recession. Who has given us a strong platform to grow out of the mess the GOP and extremists gave us.

        Yep Tony…you should think about that. Thanx for that link.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Flashy Clinton had more than 50 % less defense budget , plus he had a Tech Bubble that was nothing but a Booking Mess that was generating FAKE tax revenues till that Bubble Busted , just Like the Book Cooking in the Real Estate sector with the Debt Bubble that Burst so Clintons surplus was a Fraud !!!!
        The WTO Free Trade Policy that was set into play in the 1990s and followed through with still today has Devalued and Out sourced the GUTS of the nations we call Home and its High Time the People understand this and call for its Nation to succeed from this Cabal !!!!!!!!
        But Of Course its to late as we have No raw materials Left China controls all the mining resources in the USA , and we have No Tool Die sector producing parts , China has these 2 , people we are toast !!!!! WE ARE SERFS !!!!! We are all fully Controlled Like WARRIOR Said !!!!

    • GRusling

      Obama has a “mandate” from the people, only in the sense that House Republicans have the same. Getting re-elected by a smaller count than his original election is not a “mandate.” The same is true for House Republicans. Both need to recognize that people are sick and tired of their continuous rhetoric on whatever subject, and simply stayed home in November. It’s not a “mandate” when so many people found BOTH parties distasteful and simply refused to participate!

      We need to analyze each and every candidate, and weed the “Progressives” out of both wings of our political system. Then and only then will our problems get solved…

      • Flashy

        LOL … you are too funny! ignoring reality eh?

      • Texas Ride

        GR, We better ask ourselves if our elections are legit before we put all our hopes on the results and the counting of votes. Remember November 8th! We are told that hardly any republicans voted and those that did voted for omaumau (or something bs like that.) I am afraid that the integrity of our elections has been impaired.. How do conservatives win when the enemy owns the voting machines in twenty-six States and 900 total jurisdictions across the country.This is something that no one will talk about, net even Fox. Dick Morris tried to bring it up on the O’Really! show and he was “shutdown” immediately.

        As far as the stability of many Americans, that also comes into play. How many watched the Union riot in MI. There was a recent study that shows one-in-five Americans have mental disease. I think most of these people are easily identified, many are talking crazy and advocate violence against political opposition…. I think violence against political opposition has also come from some government officials in Washington, as well!

        Elections are too little too late, to overcome the fact that the country has been “overthrown” and the republicants have been “neutered.” Or, should I say that the destruction of the republicant party is well-underway.

        Republicants should follow the advice of Rand Paul. He said that no republicant should vote for tax increases, just vote “present.” That way the demonrats can own their tax increases with no republicant support.. It is going to happen with or without republicant support as does everything else omaumau wants. It will be that way until Americans grow a pair and stand-up for the Constitution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        They said Romneys kid had investments in Voter machine manufacturers , and they advertised this hard in OHIO

      • Flashy

        “How do conservatives win when the enemy …” Texas Ride

        this is a very very good example of why the extremists need to be shown the back row and ignored. When they see as ‘the enemy’ those who choose not to think along their extremist lines, marginalization is the solution. .

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “The GOP has a 30% approval rating, the Dems 45%”.
      Where do you get that, Flashman? It seems an odd figure, given that the voters returned a majority of Republicans to the House of Representatives. Do you have a link to back it up?
      You know we can’t just take your word for anything, since you have no credibility on this board.

      • Flashy

        Sure DaveH…try the latest polls.

        BTW..the reason so few of the House extremists were not ousted was that they held gerrymandered safe seats. They don’t have to be reasonable or thinking. They can stick to rigid ideological purity without regard to what is best for this Nation. The question you should be asking is how did the GOP lose Senate seats when the Democrats up for re-election were two to one in GOP Senate seats up for vote.

        we’re also talking post election with the latest intransigence of the GOP despite the voters giving a mandate to President Obama. The GOP is heading the way of the dodo bird if they want to continue to tell the voters their choice and decisions do not matter…

      • DaveH

        As usual, no backup link from Flashman. Just more equivocation. You’re boring, Flashman, in a dishonest sort of way.

      • Flashy

        Davey..i don’t use Mises links on every post, and if you need your hand held to look up the latest polls you’ll have to ask someone else.

        As far as ‘equivocation”, i’d say you should ook at your posts for those examples. I cited my opinion as to your claim the House elections ‘proved” conservative support. Saying the House elections proved anything but the success of gerrymandering and being one of the prime causes for the DC gridlock is balderdash. And you know it. if you don;t, look it up in your Mises.

      • DaveH

        Who said anything about using a Mises link, Flashman? It would be a cold in the hot place before you could find a Mises article to back up your nonsense, Flashman.
        Any site would do, Flashman, if it’s factual. Just show us some reliable facts, since we know yours aren’t.
        Do you really think the readers don’t know that your dancing around is just a typical Flashman manifestation of double-speak?

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “Take away the Bush I 2008-09 budget inherited, and the fiscal restraint this administration has practiced is right there for all to see (if they wanted)”.
      If Obama had wanted to reduce the Bush Spending, he could have. He didn’t, instead preferring to pass a takeover of the Medical field in this country, and a takeover of our Health Care choices.
      Your equivocations, Flashman, will only influence those who are already blindly on your side.

      • Flashy

        What equivocation Davey? Fact is fact…spending by this administration grew at the lowest rate since Carter. The link to the data was in that post. Oh yeah, forgot, you don’t want facts other than the titles to some Mises link (which you never read)

      • DaveH

        No, Flashman, it is NOT fact. The facts:
        Federal Spending in 2008 — $2982 Billion
        Federal Spending in 2009 (Obama’s first year) — $3517.68

        That’s a $535 Billion increase. And don’t give me the Equivocation that is was a Bush budget, Flashman, because a man, who could ram through a Health Care Bill requiring Americans to buy Health Care Insurance that they didn’t want, could cut the Spending back to 2008 levels.

      • Flashy

        Davey…quit trying to snow folks. you can’t do it anymore…they’re on to you and your unread Mises links and your fudged numbers.

        try this…Obama’s first budget was the fiscal year 2010 budget. Got that?

        Here’s something for you to rad and chew on licking the wounds. it’s from Forbes. ya gonna call Forbes equivocating or putting up false numbers like these?

        http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

      • DaveH

        You’re pathetic, Flashman.
        The buck stops with the Chief Executive, and Obama was President for more than 11 months of 2009.

    • DaveH

      More equivocation from Flashman — “We are at the cusp of a jobs recovery. All the basics are in place, and all the numbers point to it”.
      Prognostication from a guy who can’t even tell the truth about the present? Please.

      • Flashy

        The numbers are there for all to see and analyze Davey. If you don’t want to do that, not my problem.

      • DaveH

        Yes they are.
        Total non-farm Employment for Jan 2009 (Obama takes office) — 133,561,000.
        Total non-farm Employment for Sep 2012 (Latest actual figures) — 133,568,000.

        After $2 Trillion ($2,000,000,000,000) of Stimulus Spending, Obama has managed to create 7,000 new jobs. That only cost us $285 Million per job. Such a bargain.

      • Flashy

        LOL..fudging it again Davey. When Obama took office, we were losing almost 1 million jobs a month. ya expect him to have waved a magic wand and immediately turn it around? It took almost a year turn it around. A good six months just to halt the ship and turn it aside from the shoals we were heading for.

      • DaveH

        Losing it? Yes, you’re right Flashman, we’ve all been losing it (our money and prosperity) since the Liberal Progressives have been in Power.
        Equivocate away, Flashman. All you’re doing is giving the Liberal Progressives a bad name.

    • DaveH

      What Spending Cuts did Obama offer, Flashman?
      $600 Billion over 10 years? $60 Billion a year out of a Federal Budget that has a deficit of $1300 Billion a year? A 5% reduction in the Deficit Spending? What a joke.

  • pal-man

    even if Pres. Obama gets his way and we raise taxes on the top 2% .( who is supposedly the Warren Buffet people. does that mean they will pay and the gov. will get the money. we know that Mr. Buffet is in a years long court battle now to keep from paying taxes. Yet he gets on TV and says he is willing to pay more, but he is not paying what he owes now. And just the Other day we find out another very rich Obama supporter from Google sent massive amounts of money to another country to keep from paying tax on it. So if most of the 2% act like Obama’s friends then he still will not get the money no matter how much he taxes the rich and they will lay people off as well.
    So no matter what Pres. Obama and congress are going to have to cut waste and spending. Taxing the rich does not guarentee any revenue as they have the lawyers to not pay and the ability to send money overses to keep from paying the taxes.
    I am not for the taxes being raised but people can get around it and not pay like the head of the IRS tim geitner and other Obama cronies
    So we are back to stop the wasteful spending, sell assets where possible, privatize and cut where needed to slim the gov.personel and cut spending now. Then after you do all this if you still need more then raise taxes as a last resort only. But i feel if you get rid of waste and not needed assets, then cut spending for a lower budget then you will not need to raise taxes.
    Except for possibly changing the tax codes. such as a flat tax or to me money is money whether gained by work or investment and it should be taxed that way. Money made through investment should be taxed the same as money made through labor. Money is money.

  • alicia

    Wayne, Im’ surprised you still have a job, anybody that trusts your words is an idiot.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Anybody that trusts you Alicia is an idiot.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg Beaty

    They have destroyed California, Chicago and Detroit already now it is our country they want to destroy. Big government, big taxes and big spending destroy economies.

  • Fedup

    Galt, get a job and shut up!

    • Hedgehog

      Hey Fedup: Galt can’t get a job because he keeps putting his qualifications down on the application; incompetence, irrelevance and dialectical materialism. (My apologies to Perry Mason et alii.)

  • Don the britton

    Where is the bill? You do not negotiate what ifs. If there is no bill there is no negotiation just hot air. The President is on record as saying he would produce a bill in sufficient time for the public to review it, hold him to his promise.

    • Flashy

      LOL…it takes about 15 minutes to transfer the proposal submitted by the President to the proper format a bill requires.

  • http://personallibertydigest lee henry

    we are in trouble we need to make & sell things not buy china so called goods or products
    if we get people work than not work we will have a stronger economy & also more education & that can start with parents teaching the kids while not in school i have a sister that did that both her kids were considered as gifted kids maybe that is why we are not that smart any more the parents dont teach the childern & also the father worked & the mother stayed home back in the 50′s & 60″s more than now now everybody has to work if they can figure out how to have animals work then they would too so that is my thought by …..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Wayne regales us with all the tired old horsepucky arguments that the right has relied on for far too long. Boehner himself doesn’t need lessons in negotiating, the WHOLE GOP is the needy party here. Boehner is trying to hold a runny horsepucky sandwich together and is doing quite well, considering. After trying obstructionism, and saying “NO”, and electing a bunch of TP fools, and holding the country hostage, and demanding that they get their way or it’s O’Bama’s fault if they don’t, the GOP has FINALLY come to the end game.

    And what is that “end game”? The Repugs have ended up with their backs to the wall with O’Bama holding all the cards and the citizenry ready to blame the GOP by over 2 to 1 if we go over the “cliff”. What will that do to the “brand”? O’Bama’s approval ratings are on the upswing and congress’s are still declining. O’Bama is holding a full house with aces high and Boehner has a pair of threes at best and Wayne is going to bet against Obama? Wayne says “walk away” to Boehner? Wayne is such a loser.

  • Tom Scott

    Americans are indeed outflanked and defeated by this Kenyan born bastard and his clique. There should’t be any negotiations but tribunal . Away with this communist pig.!

    • Louis Lemieux

      Talking the way you do only hurts your cause! Can you imagine if Romney had used that kind of language during the campaign! It may seem odd, but when you trash talk others, the person you are talking to will subconsciously associate you with the words coming out of your mouth.

  • AJ Abrams

    Nobody can “Negotiate” with Obama. Nobody. Obama will not negotiate. Say, your agnger puts someone else in the speakers shoes to negotiate in his place. What magic words will Obama respond to. There is NOT ONE PERSON WHO CAN NEGOTIATE WITH OBAMA THE ASS.. Not one. If Obama won’t come to table, you can’t negotiate. Obama just takes what ever the Repubs say and rejects it as Obama has no plan. You cn not win, This bastard Obama is too smart for any of you.
    Obama has never negotiated in his life. His Marxist training has taught him to “Mow People Down” by using bullies.
    It is a simple read. Real “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. Easy read. Cheap. Buy from Amazon. Saul Alinsky is the founder of Marxism in this country and Obama actually “taught” rules for Radicals in College to College Students. This is who this man is.
    Hoenry White Women elected Obama. They get wet panties everytime they see Obama. They can’t resist him. Thank them and the 96% of “free thinking” blacks for this awful excuse for a human being.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    Dear Mr. Speaker
    , Try this , call for a amendment to the Dodd Frank Bill to allow more Financial
    Institutional Participation into these New Monetary QE Spending plans so these
    auctions can be better competed for by the New Right to work States Springing
    up , and end this Log Jam on the way the 2 big 2 fail institutions that are hoarding
    these bond !!!!

    Regarding the Federal Reserve Minutes , http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=c58d95bf-0729-4825-802f-2593a305096c&ocid=ansmony11 , We need more NEW Financial Institutions participation in accessing the fed window and buy the fed bond auctions under the current policy and those funds be appropriated for Retooling manufacturing in the Right to Work States

  • Paul Wells

    Boehner would do better to have a good cry in front of Obama. He’d be more likely to get his way. Mitch and Boehner need to go, they’ve sold us (true conservatives) out, and therefore are part of the problem, not the solution!

    • DaveH

      The concept of “selling us out” implies that the Republicans were ever anything but the Party of Big Government and Crony Capitalism. Read this to learn the truth:
      http://mises.org/daily/3098

  • Raymond DELANGE

    John Boehner is the biggest asshole in Washington and has a political brain the size of a pea.The Democrats will be in charge until 2024!!!

    • jopa

      R D;Bohner is not the problem the problem is Cantor and the tea baggers.The baggers led by the like of Bachman and her allies like West, Gohmer and Rand Paul are like one big political joke and just a nuisance.They also sign these Grover pledges that are totally idiotic and do nothing for America but obstruct.Time for the voters to finish up the housecleaning and get rid of this trash.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        They are the Joke because they don’t want a Big Government Tax and Spend agenda to take root and drive the debt so high it is unable to be paid for by a private sector growth revenue creation economy ?? Oh we already don’t have that , thats why the Federal Reserve is Buying the debt now with the latest plan , 85 billion a Month for the next 3 years …. ha ha ha ha ha , we are so screwed , !!!!!

    • DaveH

      John Boehner is just doing what the NeoCon Progressives have done since 1854 — take advantage of the average citizens with Big Government and Mercantilism.

  • Karolyn

    Oh, yeah, I’m sure Root is REALLY hurting! Not! He doesn’t know what hurting is!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Playing victim, Karolyn. All people have troubles, that is the human condition. Your bunch just whine about it.

    • DaveH

      What about those who you blindly pillage by voting for Liberal Progressives, Karolyn? Do you know how they are hurting? Do you really care?

  • factnotrhetoric

    KNOW YOUR ENEMY. You’re not going to teach Beohner anything. Both he and Obama are playing on the same side against Americans, just like both Romney and Obama were playing on the same side against Americans.

    The true enemy is the “LITTLE PUPPET MILITARY DICTATORS” who have taken over the UN, NATO and the US Administration by sheer numbers and funny money they are allowed to create. .

    They can pay off any politician, or judge, with “funny money” generated by unregulated foreign banks.

    Supposedly Obama got a $2 Billion dollar loan for his new brokerage firm. Michelle Obama supposedly had $2 Billion in her Canadian account. You can bet they have no intention of ever paying back either Foreign Bank Loan.

    • Robert Smith

      From hetoric: “Supposedly Obama got a $2 Billion dollar loan for his new brokerage firm. Michelle Obama supposedly had $2 Billion in her Canadian account. You can bet they have no intention of ever paying back either Foreign Bank Loan.”

      Really? Is “supposedly” the new standard for facts from the right?

      Do you have even a shred of proof of your claim?

      Rob

  • AJ Abrams

    Everybody says: “Obama needs to learn this or that about our country”. Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    He already knows all this stuff you say he needs to know. He, just does not care and has his own agenda which is destruction. The longer you go thinking you can teach him this or that, you are looking just like another “Obama Fool”". Wise up. He knows it. He does not care. He has his own agenda and he is not gonna change. He is making complete fools out of Republicans and he is laughing at you. Grow up, Wise up. Get a little savy and think, Man. Think. You are up against a diferent kind of foe.A different foe. And the longer it takes John Q. Public to understand it the worse off we will be.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      O is playing this country because he knows its’ weaknesses. The weaknesses are the greed for ill gotten gain by government welfare and covetousness of the Democrats/Progresses/Leftists for power by any means possible even by using the law.

      • Robert Smith

        You seem to have missed the greedy top 2% that nearly put this country in the dumper with their banking garbage.

        Oh, and that “job creation” in China and other places, rather than here at home.

        Rob

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    the TEA PARTY is the NEW CONSERVATIVE party;;;;;;;;republicans are toast………get them out of DC

    • rendarsmith

      100% right

    • NativeBlood

      Please try to keep the word “new” as far away fro conservative as possible. Conservatism is not a new concept. NEOCONS have only been around for a decade or so.

      • Robert Smith

        “Conservatism is not a new concept. ”

        No, it isn’t. Barry Goldwater would be pro-choice today, he didn’t care if a gun’s trigger was pulled by a finger with nail polish on it (boy or girl’s finger), and he would probably be called a liberal today.

        Rob

  • Sgt. York

    Boo Hoo needs to just set down shut his piehole and let someone with negotiations skills step up and let O’Vomit know its not his way or the highway. Boo Hoo is a step back for the Republicaaans as they now look like a well beaten dog runnin with his tail between his legs. We need a man/woman with real skills and big jimmies to set Mr O’Vomit straight that he is not the pharaoh of America. Its not even day one of his second Communist rule and he whips Boo Hoo’s butt into a tear jerkin frenzy. He,Boo Hoo has gotta go, Amen

  • GALT

    Hi Wayne:

    Is it my imagination or are your contributions here becoming more frequent and
    frantic than usual?

    Regarding today’s topic…….doesn’t your transformation from “libertarian” to
    “republican” render your “prognostication” that…….you will be “president” in
    2024……as equally absurd as your prediction of a Romney win and your
    outrageous and fraudulent claims of being a successful “sport’s handicapper”?

    Given your recent whining regarding your IRS travails and your “insinuation” that
    somehow you are being targeted by the present administration for being critical
    of them………that you are in fact engaged in the “sports advisory business”, would
    be reason enough for their “interest” in you……..and they have the “budget” to
    explore the possibilities……..if you were an actual target, you would be being
    investigated by the Justice Department and any number of other agencies,
    simply for the nature of your “business”……..as “legalized sports betting” is only
    available to certain area’s in the U.S………an both illegal and criminal elsewhere.
    To provide such information ( regardless of actual quality ) to persons who do
    not have access to a “legal venue” for it’s use……would be to facilitate and
    encourage “criminal activity”.

    Since you may have missed it….and you certainly did not respond to it…….

    Re-distributionist? Quite a mouthful……..at what point, do things stolen, or gained by fraud and/or deceit, or corruption……….cease to be the result of the “acts” by which they were acquired…….a.k.a. “ill gotten gains”…….and become “magically” transformed into “legitimate assets”………whose use and future gains, are somehow worthy of protection and whose “beneficiaries” are now deemed productive and valuable to society and “deserving” of what they had no right to, in the first place?

    Take any, self proclaimed, self reliant, rugged individualist with a “strong work” ethic
    ( also claimed ) at random……like DavidH and give him that desert island, where
    all his “von mises” fantasies originate……..and leave him there, at the peak of his physical and intellectual ( hypothetical ) prowess for thirty years.

    Upon returning…..what do you imagine we will find? How many mansions will he have built? How much “wealth” will he have accumulated? Books written? Technology invented? Bridges constructed? AMBITIONS REALIZED????????

    After all, no ones hand will have been in his pockets…….how many “shiny objects” will he have “toiled” to accumulate?

    As for the achievements of our author…….and his “success” as a “sports betting analyst” and his so called “documented” claims of both “ability” and “customers served”……….the “reality” ( and his credibility ) will be the equivalent, of the technological paradise and wealth created and achieved by DavidH.

    Mr Root’s claims CAN BE verified………..as can DavidH ‘s ……….for “history” is available to do just that……….BUT one has to make the effort to determine what the FACTS of this history ARE……….rather than accept, the “mythology” that is being told………for it can only be believed if one chooses to remain “ignorant” of the FACTS.

    http://www.thesportsmonitor.com

    Mr Root has made “claims” regarding his “performance” and “ranking” from the above named source……which lists “his results” for NFL, College Football, NBA and College Basketball…….so what are the FACTS regarding his performance?

    2011 NFL Season….32 picks required to qualify for ranking sides and totals………..Mr Roots ranking among the 35 people who WERE ranked.

    Mr Root had no ranking……nor was he listed as having “attempted” to compete……since he could not manage to “produce” the two picks a week required to meet the minimum qualification……..

    2011 College Football………minimum 40 picks required to compete.

    Mr Root had no ranking……nor was he listed as having “attempted” to compete……in the 30 people that were ranked, or actually TRIED to be.

    2011/12 College Basketball …..64 picks required……side and/or totals

    31 Ranked, of 60 plus that tried…….Mr Root not listed as having TRIED.

    2011/12 NBA…… 52 picks required for ranking……..with 20 being ranked…………Mr Root………not on list.

    In fact, Mr Root name and picks only appear as…..either those not intended for the contest or with less than the minimum’s required for the contest……with no way to distinguish as to what the intent of the picks were………( although his self proclaimed bio, which is posted here from a reason interview above, can provide a little insight into what this actually means? ) DavidH being the “exception” in this case.

    For those who have even the slightest connection to REALITY, the reason that the “tallest buildings” in Las Vegas are “casino’s”, should not be too difficult to figure out. And this TRUTH is one where the “consumer” actually has access to the “house advantage” that they face in seeking to beat the “odds”.

    The so called, “Sport’s advisory service”, is a confidence game, which preys on people, foolish enough to persist in the notion, that “probability” can not only be “overcome”, but can be done consistently in direct contradiction to “all available evidence”……..which is pretty stupid on it’s face……..so that the “potential customer” is either completely ignorant of what probability is, and/ or has already FAILED at doing for himself, what he now expects someone else to do for HIM. based on the CLAIM, that it can be done and has been done.

    An “intelligent person” might consider why and how those tall buildings exist and continue to be built………while Mr. Root’s, “service” is a small rented office which is “shared” with “other” services? ( again, DavidH being the exception. )
    BTW this only includes the “obvious questions” regarding the “evidence”……….which does not include the “means” by which these services operate……but there is a description, also posted here, before the “facts” regarding Mr. Root were blocked.
    ( censored )

    Care to respond Mr. Root?

    • GALT

      and are STILL being blocked?????????

      • FreedomFighter

        Galt its time to stop the parasites, and the America hating commies like you

        “Obama’s Parasites”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prRNBLIZ1bk&feature=relmfu

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear GALT,

        Again, your comments are not “being blocked”.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Vigilant

        GALT has the unparalleled ability to take the wind out of his own sails. The bulk of his long-winded brain farts inevitably involves the gratuitous insult and ad hominem attack. He is a master at going for the capillary.

        I’m disappointed I didn’t make the grade. The “(never, ever) Vigilant” comment is missing. I’m sure you’ll remedy that forthwith.

        Your ball.

      • Vigilant

        Deciphering people like GALT is but child’s play, primarily because it is child’s play in which he is engaged.

        They are amongst the easiest to gauge, because they have no depth of either imagination or understanding. They are one-dimensional caricatures of human beings.

        In their sociopathic, bigoted and self-centered world view, they will never subscribe to the adage that the more you know, the more you realize how much you don’t know. GALT is such caricature, a true believer in “settled science,” as if such as thing ever has or ever will exist.

        Unbeknownst to this type of true believer is that they are guilty (in spades) of the desperation of which they so readily accuse their opponents. Robert Smith, GALT, et. al., cling to their science as if it is the Holy Grail, changeless and invariably correct in describing the world. Son, “there are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

        All that would be fine if they didn’t compulsively take the next step of deriding those who have a different world view. For them it is indeed a compulsion, for like most bigots, they can only find meaning in their pitiful existence by putting down others. And, as the petty bigots and sociopaths that they are, they will NEVER admit to being wrong.

        Such people never improve or enrich the world in which they live. They are bit players who stand on the sidelines kibitzing but never contributing. Their “knowledge” is totally of an incomplete, mundane nature, shallow and truncated.

        They’ll brook no possibilities whatsoever beyond their myopic squint on life, for to do so would shatter their secure world. They approach the world as brutes, bestial subhumans who are governed by gravity, weather and the urges of biology.

        You are fooling no one, GALT.

        How’s that for ad hominem remarks?

      • DaveH

        Vigilant says — “He is a master at going for the capillary”.
        Good one, Vigilant. That got me laughing.

      • GALT

        When you learn what an “ad hominem” attack actually is, in that you are quite adept
        as are most of fellow, “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”, you may finally determine
        the distinction between, the only thing you can do…….and what has actually been done,
        by me.

        Of course you can ( and could have ) identified what you believe to BE, what you claim?

        I will be happy to explain why it is not………or maybe Mr. Livingston would help out?

        Or one of your w.i.f.i. friends? who seem to be out in force today…….

        Whenever your ready?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are shutting of your own comments and then crying foul.

      • Robert Smith

        Vigilant begins: “GALT has the…”

        Got any issues from his post you want to address or are personal attacks the new norm when you don’t have any ground to stand on with an issue?

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Galt,
        You need to get back to cutting and pasting other peoples’ articles. It’s the only way we can understand what you’re trying to say.
        I apologize if English is your second language.

      • Vigilant

        Well, RS, you ALMOST got it right.

        Personal attacks are always in order for people like you and GALT, who make it a cottage industry in gratuitously insulting people. It’s called fighting fire with fire, and if either you or GALTY bring up an issue worth responding to, I’d be happy to accommodate a discussion.

        If your incessant, out of thread put-downs of Christians at every opportunity (and even when there is no opening) are not personal attacks, then I don’t know what are.

        If your delicate sensibilities have been ruffled, tough s—t! What’s that they say about those who can dish it out?

      • Vigilant

        DaveH, you’re right, although at least when GALT plagiarizes we don’t have to suffer through those incessant ellipses.

        I haven’t caught him at it yet, but I suspect he might try sprinkling ellipses around a stolen article just to make it look like he knows what he’s talking about.

        On second thought, that wouldn’t work either. Even a stolen quote can’t hide the fact that it speaks a lot more sense than GALT does. We’d see it for what it was right away.

      • GALT

        Still got nothing, huh? Woke Bob up for nothing too, it would seem.

        I had fun today……and Wayne learned to keep his mouth shut……( it doesn’t get any
        better, buddy )

        C’ Mon guys…..focus……

        NO THIRD TERM

        NO THIRD TERM

        NO THIRD TERM

    • Gary

      To Galt.

      Some may not agree with Mr Root but at least he can put a sentence together that makes sense and even the dumbest of us can understand.

      • GALT

        Was there something YOU required assistance with Gary?

      • DaveH

        Maybe you can get that great translator Flashman to translate for you, Galt.

      • momo

        Now that’s funny DaveH.

      • Kate8

        Aaaahhhhhh…You guys are really killin’ me today! It’s been awhile since I’ve had this good a laugh.

        Well done, guys.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Galt, I’m not worried about WARs job history. What I’m worried about is, the unqualified impostor that is squatting in the Outhouse in DC. After all, it is not WAR who is trying to ruin MY country!

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Obama along with all his support structure BELIEVE this , http://www.cattlenetwork.com/e-newsletters/drovers-daily/Urban-populations-will-rapidly-strain-services-resources-183058531.html ,and is why they are trying to ” SHIFT ” the economic and social structure of the USA to fall in line with the rest of the Communist states that were and are emerging again , Communism is all about Population control by the Hierarchy of a state and in this case the one world state thats emerging is the BEAST of the United Nations always has been and always will be !!! ,

      • jopa

        hipshot; I believe Senator Larry Craig (R) of Idaho has left the outhouses of DC and is back home in retirement so be careful when you enter any outhouses in Idaho.He may be right next to you and ready to tap toes and who knows what else.

      • GALT

        Worry if you must, hipshot……it’ll burn calories if nothing else.

      • Kate8

        Good grief, guys. Talk about a long thread of meaningless sniping.

        It might be good for certain posters here to get together and form their own blog. Since they seem to understand each other so perfectly, it might be so much more fulfilling for them. And the rest of us would save a lot of time and annoyance while trying to sift through the comments looking for something of value.

    • Tigerous

      Galt: Do you have an intelligible “point”?

      • OneGuess

        Galt DOES have a point…it’s on the top of his head.

      • GALT

        Only for those who are not “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”…..Tigerous.

        Was there anything in particular that you require assistance with?

      • DaveH

        Galt,
        Your ears are bookends to a vacuum — which explains why you must use so many adolescent personal attacks in your comments.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear GALT,

      You write: “but there is a description, also posted here, before the “facts” regarding Mr. Root were blocked.” What are you talking about? Your comments are not (currently) being “blocked.” Mr. Root does not have the ability to moderate comments.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • GALT
      • GALT

        That is the link……however when combined with the actual text….it just disappears….
        the reference to being blocked…..is a carry over from Wayne’s, Buffet column, last week
        when the same thing occurred…….

        Clearly, interesting insight from one of Wayne’s many “satisfied” customer’s.

        BTW how is Brian Nash?

      • DaveH

        Why would PL want to block you, Galt?
        You make no sense, therefore you are no threat.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear DaveH,

        You write: “Why would PL want to block you, Galt?” GALT was placed in moderation some months ago for continued violations of the comment policy. He received the message being sent and after a few weeks was released. His comments have not been moderated for a long time.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • GALT

        Yes, well Bob…..I did not say I was being “blocked”, I said this particular post was,
        and I just tried the TEXT again, without the link…..and it did not appear.

        as in

        “but there is a description, also posted here,”

        There is probably a reason….I just don’t know what it is………maybe you would be so kind
        as to post it for me……..since there might be a “conflict” between the format of that
        site……..and the one you are using here…….Word Press v. whatever????

        It becomes unclear to me. why you would need to “re-assure” DavidH that I am not
        being blocked…….when you are both “reading” posts by me?

        Is what he has catching? Chicken soup might help, if you catch it early enough.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear GALT,

        You write: “It becomes unclear to me. why you would need to “re-assure” DavidH that I am not
        being blocked…….when you are both “reading” posts by me?” Much is unclear to you GALT, which probably explains why your posts mostly consist of argle-bargle and sentence fragments infused with dots and misplaced apostrophes.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Galt,

        You posted: http://www.ripoffreport.com/on-line-business/gwin-wayne-allyn-roo/gwin-wayne-allyn-root-s-winni-bn97c.htm

        I find it interesting that folks around here accuse others in some rather nasty ways without any proof. I’ve been called many different things myself.

        Yet when you come up with PROOF of what is apparently a big red flag waving in front of credibility they shoot the messenger.

        Do you find that as interesting as I do?

        Rob

      • GALT

        Quite common place, actually……but I thought you had that figured out by now.

        What else can they do……of course the “idea” is to “ignore” the mindless…….and
        focus on your “primary” adversary……..and your primary point….or question.

        Takes practice…….think of it as a “conservation of energy” strategy…….and save your
        work……..quite foolish to be continually duplicating effort…….when the same topics are constantly being recycled……….

      • GALT

        Was there something you required assistance with Bob?

        You do realize that science has shown an amazing ability to comprehend the intent of
        a text where not a word is spelled correctly…….the only thing that is needed is for the
        first and last letter of the word to be correct………..

        Of course, it is possible that for you, this is NOT true?

        Still if there is something you are having a problem with………..you know…….
        like right now………..where this stops making……..SENSE?

        I would really like to help?

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear GALT,

        You write: “Was there something you required assistance with Bob?” None whatever. Your confusion (and your intent) is quite clear to me.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • GALT

        BTW Mr Livingston, if you really want to help appearance wise……you could install
        an “edit or preview” step before the “final post” takes place.

        Composing directly into the comment section, which has the “largest width”,
        does not automatically adjust, to reply and second replies, as each is “narrower”,
        than the “original” width……

        Is there a way to use word press directly to correct this?

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear GALT,

        You write: “Is there a way to use word press directly to correct this?” That is a question for the tekkies.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • GALT

        Oh and Bob, when I say “something” or “one thing” is unclear to me, that is precisely
        what I mean…….you are the one that seems to be having a problem with “clarity”,
        unless you say things you do not mean?

        You did………say that…….did you not?

      • DaveH

        What is interesting, Robert, is that the Socialist Galt would use a Libertarian website to make his point when he quite regularly disses Libertarian ideology.

      • GALT

        Dear Bob,

        You say: Your confusion (and your intent) is quite clear to me.

        I am thrilled to hear it, in fact I am most interested in what you think you know?

        There have been so many theories and much speculation, it would probably be helpful,
        for others, if you offered your assessment…….

        Be kinda like the “official party line”……the Gospel on GALT, directly from the
        “horse’s mouth” as it were………pre-approved and all that?

        The conditions of my “confusion” would also be very useful to me……I mean, I
        have already shown my concern, regarding anything you may have been
        confused about…….now that I know you are NOT, or at least say you are not,
        it comes as quite a relief to me.

        One would hope you would return the favor in kind?

        I know it would help DavidH and company a great deal, because he keeps
        using these “labels” which make no sense, given the range of topics I have
        covered and my actual positions.

        Hard to be a capitalist/socialist.communist when “economics” is invalid.

        Or a government shill when “corrupted government is the problem”.

        Or Walt from Seattle, when I am in Vegas. ( who knows Walt may come back,
        although why he let it bother him in the first place is beyond me……)

        That’s the best part of the line breaks……….gives them all something to say,
        and they are so eager…….to say SOMETHING…….seems a shame to
        deprive them of it.

        Who knows, maybe you can inspire them by example?

        They certainly need a lot of work with “logical fallacies” and you seem to touch
        on that from time to time……..but it does not seem to be very effective in the
        general scheme of things.

        Who knows, maybe we can return to that discussion on the declaration and
        governments role in securing same? BTW have you read “Master of the Mountain”
        yet?

      • DaveH

        Spare us your nonsense, Galt. You’re a Socialist and you know it. You have demonstrated that many times with your rants against Free Markets (Capitalism).

      • GALT

        DavidH that is not really hard to understand. or it would not be if you were intelligent!

        The power in WORDS lies in their definition…….

        When words cease to have a “definitive meaning” they become useless…..and to use them…..when they have deteriorated to that level……renders the person “using” them
        completely irrelevant, to any actually “intelligent” person.

        Since this site is populated in the main, by the non intelligent, and a host, who
        for some reason has made a “marketing decision” that such “idiocy” is a wise
        choice……you may never learn this……which means you have reached the height
        of your “intellectual powers”……which is about as sarcastically generous as I
        can manage at the moment,

        I require no other description for any of you “other than what I have used”…..
        “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”…..there is no point in adding what you claim to
        be to it……you don’t know who you are, where you are, what you are, or what you
        you are doing…….why would what you “think” you are, matter to me?

        For Bob and his newsletter at 70+ dollars for two years, plus books sales…..if
        he has 10, 000 subscribers……that’s $350,000……which doesn’t include all the
        income from his list of associates……..his “perceived self interest” has always
        been clear…….I’m not so sure of his marketing skills, but he is a big boy….

        As with all deficient intellects, repetition is key,,,,,,

        “The Master said….If names are not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language is not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success……..Therefor a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately. What the superior man requires, is just that in his words, there may be nothing incorrect.”

        “The Master said,…..Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men.”

        Confucious 551 -479 B.C.

        When you finally get that…….you may say something relevant…….at the moment,
        in terms of polarity….you would be at the farthest possible point from comprehending
        this,

    • DaveH

      Galt says to Wayne — “Is it my imagination or are your contributions here becoming more frequent and frantic than usual?”.
      Is it my imagination, or are Galt’s comments becoming more readable, more grammatically correct, and more logical?
      Yep, It’s my imagination.

      For those inclined to seek the romantic route of Galt’s Socialism, think about this:
      The Leaders only need your votes until they gain absolute power. Then, as usual, they will purge:
      1) Those who are a threat to their Power, such as idealistic Socialist Followers who then become a threat to the assumed Leaders because the Leaders don’t really give a rat’s ass about the Followers, they just are using them to gain Power.
      2) Those Useless Eaters who aren’t productive, therefore they are of no use to the Leaders in their quest for more Power and Wealth. That covers most Liberal Progressives.
      3) And of course the old people who generally have no choice to be Productive or Not.

      Add to that the stark reality that Socialism always fails where fully implemented because it is a negatively productive ideology. Socialism only survives when it is supplemented by Capitalism upon which the Socialists live like the Parasites they are.
      You can see that reality by reading this report which ranks countries based on their amount of Government meddling in the Marketplace:
      http://www.freetheworld.com/2012/EFW2012-complete.pdf

      Good luck with Galt’s path, Liberal Progressive Followers.

      • GALT

        How does “non sequitur” work for you DaveH?

        So did you read the book?

        Do you require assistance for either one of those questions?

      • DaveH

        It’s not a book, Galt, it’s a report, and the non sequitur would be your asking me if I read the book (or report).
        If I did require assistance, Galt, I couldn’t expect any help from you, even if you wanted to help.

      • GALT

        You had only to ask…..help is here.

        GALT says:
        December 12, 2012 at 6:25 pm

        I don’t feel neglected DavidH…….you are doing what you have always done,
        which is to avoid, by any means necessary…… the exposure of your deficient ability
        to logically defend any of the “ideas” you claim that others should accept, based
        on your CLAIM, that they are “in fact” what YOU say they ARE!

        “You see, if I have so much trouble slogging through your Pigeon English, I’m not real concerned that the ignorant people will be able to understand what it is you’re trying to say. “

        You found the question. Did you read the book? difficult to slog through?

        Do you require a multiple choice set of answers from which to select?

        a.) Yes
        b.) No
        c.) I refuse to answer, having read the book, because I would then have to answer
        the additional questions that were asked concerning it?
        d.) I refuse to answer, having not read the book, because then I will confirm I am
        the complete idiot that others suspect I am, for recommending something I have not
        read while claiming that it is: “For those who would like to get comprehensive knowledge on the subject of energy:”

        Does that make it easier for you, DavidH?

        And they’re the only ones who might buy your Socialist message. So why should I bother responding to you?

        Which again poses the mysterious “self contradiction” of why “YOU ARE
        RESPONDING? to tell me, you can’t be bothered to respond.

        I am sure the truly “ignorant” here will “admire” another demonstration of
        your “intellectual prowess”………as they so often demonstrate the “identical
        compulsion” for “mindless contributions”………in the “name of liberty” while conveniently avoiding the “required responsibility” that must be present, in the free exercise
        thereof?

        I suppose you can “hope” that what you say is TRUE, regarding the “result” of
        the “message”………you may even be “right” regarding it’s acceptance…….
        after all “willfull ignorance” is by definition “willfull”.

        That which is TRUE, on the other hand, does not require agreement, in the
        REALITY which it reveals……….no matter how much HOPE you have invested
        in “wishing” that it were not true.

        So, once again:Did you READ the BOOK?

        P.S. “Economics” is INVALID……..”socialist/ communist/ capitalist”, are therefore
        “irrelevant”………they do not apply to me.

      • Robert Smith

        DaveH claims about a book: “If I did require assistance, Galt, I couldn’t expect any help from you, even if you wanted to help.”

        I’ll help you with that book. From what I’ve seen by the way you treat information from places other than those that present your point of view would be, “Do you want fries with that book?”

        Bonny appetite.

        Rob

      • GALT

        So, Robert iz you learning……this is actually a very big day, as the master mushroom
        feeder, has deigned to enter the lists……and I thought he had had been paying
        attention…….or at least I had thought, he was was “intelligent” enough to REMAIN, quiet.

        Of course, I do admit he does have a bit of a problem “enforcing rules”, as well as….
        hhhhmmm what seems like.”natural selection” with a “mushroom dominant gene”,problem………given the level of idiocy among the mushrooms, this can be a bit of a task, especially when the “non-mushrooms” ( anti-fungal?) are paying attention.

        Still though, you guys need to find some kind of “common theme”……DavidH is the key here………

        You guys blew a big opportunity with Crystal last week or yesterday, with his “hero” post and the fact that the guy actually “e-mailed PLD to correct the impression…….

        You should go back and revisit that…….because this guy in NOW, unemployed,
        and black……..how many posts do you think will be written by these “morons”
        who blame the “victims”…….cite this guy as a hero, and will make an “exception” for him, when they characterize everyone else as a…what is it “parasite, feeder, eater”?

        This is the “weakness” here…….and DavidH the epitome of it…..look for it every chance you get…….stay focused…….

      • DaveH

        Oh Dread, I’m being “schooled” by the nitwit Liberal Progressives.
        Thank you, guys, for posting more of your nonsense which will no doubt awaken many readers who formerly thought that Liberal Progressives were normal people.

      • GALT

        No DavidH, you are being DISMISSED AGAIN…….you have been “socially promoted”
        to irrelevant and therefor of “no consequence”…….and quite some time ago…..

        As a fool you are a useful TOOL…..sort of like a TEST DUMMY

      • Hedgehog

        “good luck with Galt’s path”; you say. I thought it was pathetic.

      • GALT

        There are two things we can be sure of regarding DavidH.

        He doesn’t ask questions ( he can’t read, so how could he possibly know what
        questions to ask ) he just makes stuff up, and then tells you WHAT other people
        mean……

        And today he sucked in his HOST…..that would be you MR. Bob Livingston, who also
        can not READ and comprehend…… ( it’s a business thing, really……this site is
        not about making things better for anyone else but BOB LIVINGSTON…..that’s why
        “intelligence and reason” are NOT part of his “moderating” guidelines……and why
        you can not “slander” the authors.of the “crap” that appears here……so where is
        Brian Nash? )

        Bob’s think’s I am confused and HE KNOWS why am I am here, and what I am doing?

        I say Bob……my bestest friend and good buddy……please TELL me oh wise ONE?

        STILL WAITING??????????????????????

        So now we know the other thing about both BOB LIVINGSTON and DavidH.

        They don’t answer questions either……..

        In DavidH’s case….he simply is not capable….

        MR BOB LIVINGSTON………..what is your EXCUSE???????????????

  • Harold Olsen

    John Boehner is an embarrassment to the country. Barack Hussein Obama is a disgrace to the country.

    • FreedomFighter

      Both need to learn AMERICA IS A REPUBLIC not a democracy.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Louis Lemieux

        Republic and democracy can go together, they’re not a contradiction.

      • GRusling

        Louis… to a certain degree they can co-exist, but democracy only works on a very small scale where everyone can actually participate completely. In a nation of 300+ million people, democracy is impossible, if for no other reason than the widely varying needs of the people in the 50 different States. The United States is a republic for a reason, and our elected officials in Washington need to learn and understand why is so. What works well in New York City is totally idiotic in West Texas or Wyoming…

      • Louis Lemieux

        GRustling,

        I understand what you’re saying. States themselves have regions that can be quite different and you can keep going down this way until you come up to yourself! We all are different. I still believe we mostly live in a democracy, which is a government of the people, by the people, for the people. If we want complete freedom, we might as well take off alone to the woods, avoid people and try to survive.

      • Vigilant

        Louis Lemieux

        We are a constitutional republic, pure and simple. The Pledge of Allegiance does not say, “…and to the Democracy for which it stands,” and Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution proclaims that “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…”

        The word “democracy” is to be found nowhere in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution.

        The distinction is not a matter of semantics; it is absolutely critical to an understanding of how our government operates and how it protects our Creator-endowed rights under Natural Law.

        Consider this: if we were a true democracy, Samuel Tilden and Al Gore would have been elected president, since they took the popular vote but failed in the Electoral College.

        The Founders considered and summarily rejected establishing a democracy to prevent a “tyranny of the majority.” In a democracy, a simple majority can deny to the minority anything they wish. No protections against encroachment on individual sovereignty would exist in a system where such impositions are legal.

        “Such concerns pressing on Madison, Jefferson, and others led, among other issues, to the separation of powers built into the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights that protects individuals from religious sects or political factions.” (http://rense.com/general64/madi.htm)

        Understand that in the absence of federalist “anti-democracy” safeguards, we could have had, for example, a state religion and we could have been taxed to support it. Thank the Founders for our republican form of government and for the protections it has afforded us against the tyrannical tendencies of democracy.

        The latest partisan political attempt to “democratize” the Senate would overturn the two-century old cloture rule that requires a 60% vote to stifle a filibuster. Such a move would disestablish the “super majority” rule and replace it with a simple majority as a means of exercising tyrannical control of the Senate.

        The above is purely an attempt to grab power, and it has been tried by both Republicans and Democrats, depending on which holds the majority in the Senate. Both parties have been remiss in their understanding of the Constitution, and have been all too willing to dispense with federalism to gain their selfish ends.

        Please think twice before you incorrectly use the term “democracy” to describe our government.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        They are doing the power grab with the debt , its the WMD that is taking down the Republic , and coupled with the way the trade Policy over the last 18 years has taken away our Manufacturing , the independent mechanism that is the self reliance of any society to feed itself with , as we Import our capital circulates out of the country in a greater volume than what comes back , Trade deficits in the trillions tells us this , we have never had a balanced trade surplus since we started with the WTO in 1994-5 and so Our Cash we Spend flows out of the Country and we never experience any Capital formation and distribution in our private sector economy and this has lead to the credit collapse of 2008 and the federal Reserve printing money to fund the Governments lack of revenues . And the Funds that could come back to the States in these Off Shore accounts only need a Tax Holiday from the Government to be allowed to come back in and be reinvested in a Manufacturing cause , but where is that Debate ?? This is all Dog and Pnoy Show , you are right Warrior , while we watch our country Collapse !!!!!!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Louis L., your comment means that you have no idea what defines a Republic or Democracy. They both begin with the type of character of a people and then both progress from there . One character type of Republic’s people is the industry and hard work and education and morality based on the Bible and the God of Heaven. The people wouldn’t lie, would not steal, would not destroy what someone else has, would not grow big government.
        Democracy veers off by lying, by stealing, by coveting, by destruction, by growing big government, accomodating all religions till a state religion is established, it is Socialism and Communism and Fascism, etc..
        America is a disasterous combination of both a Republic and a Democracy with the weeds of Democracy overtaking the wheat of the Republic.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Vigilant,

        Even if the word democracy is not in the Constitution, the definition of it is. If you really believe we don’t live in a democracy, a government that exists of the people, by the people, for the people, then you should never go vote. Why vote if you believe your vote cannot change anything? We certainly do not live in a perfect democracy, but nevertheless a democracy and this is what the vast majority of Americans truly believe and with reason.

      • Kate8

        We have certainly descended into a perceived democracy, but it is one where the mindless masses are being herded like sheep.

        We haven’t had a system “of, by and for the people” in a very long time. Just look at the “laws” and EOs which have come out of DC in increasing moves of oppression.

        If anyone doubts the intent of our now “rulers”, just look at things like O’care and NDAA. These are definitely not things which allow any kind of freedom or choice, and are opposed by the vast majority of Americans. Just look at the numbers of “special interests” which have been allowed to opt out, the numbers of states which have been passing nullification, and the general impact this is having on the entire system.

      • Vigilant

        Louis Lemieux, you are free to believe what you want. Be cautioned, however, that you are on the wrong side of the oft-expressed views of the Founders. Did you even read the link I provided?

        What you can’t come to terms with is that democracy is government of the people, by the people, but not necessarily FOR the people. How many times must “mob rule” and “tyranny of the majority” be defined for you?

        And how many times must it be explained to you that the Bill of Rights would have been completely out of place in a democracy?

        Our Constitutional Republic is fashioned on democratic PRINCIPLES. It is NOT a democracy.

      • TIME

        Dear People,

        The message is what it is, { I am sure many of you don’t want to hear it, nor deal with it,} BUT ~ that still fails to make the issue dissapear nor will it change until the American people wake up to this – simple as well very provable “TRUTH”

        What is this Message of “TRUTH” again its really quite simple but saddly as I noted above its not a pretty picture nor is it pleasant to think about it.

        { The Corporation known as the United States Inc,} of what was founded in the 1870′s was sold to the {“International Monetary Fund”} also know as the “IMF” that was in 1938.

        Thus there is no real Government that many of you feel is there its simply and illusion, there are no D’s nor R’s – again its only a title to a {non existent entity.}

        This nation has been administered by the “IMF” stock holders since 1938, thats a fact of Truth that anyone can find with ease if they so wish, again this TRUTH is not pleasant.

        If the people of this land so choose to not come to grips with this “TRUTH” then we all will suffer the same fate as the people of Nazi Germany or Russia post – 1918 or China post 1945. Or countless others who have fallen into the abyss of pure hell on earth by way of twisted rhetoric.
        Look – Peace is not WAR, ~ Nor is Freedom – Slavery, ~ nor is Love – Hate.
        Until you get this dance card straight all you are doing is playing out the part of a slave digging their own grave let alone paying to do it and BY – your own “CONSENT”.

        So thats it in a nut shell, again saddly ~ there are “NO arguments” that can removed this “TRUTH”. You can side step it, sure ~ but its still there.

        Can this nation be saved from its own self destructive patterns?
        Now thats the question that should be on everyones lips, but saddly we want to talk about the alledged “Fiscal Cliff’s” of Dover, and who is it that started that clap trap again? Oh yea, the Mass Media thats also owned by the same people who run your life.

        So wake up, or just keep up with the mindless rants about what you think you may know. or thats its not “Constitunal” etc..

        {{ People if your owned by a group of “BANKERS” you don’t have a “Constitution” > how clear can I make it? }} Its all an ILLUSION, What will it take to wake you all up? OMG, just look at all the EO’s let alone the PA, The NDAA, QE 1 2 3 and now even 4 ~ Hello people.

        Want you nation back?
        Then you have a real fight on your hands and the first step on this very LONG JOURNEY ~ { is to allow yourself to understand that you are paying for your own demise}
        So STOP PLAYING the game!

        Peace and Love, Merry Christmas & Shalom Happy Chanukah

      • Louis Lemieux

        Vigilant,

        How can a government be OF the people, BY the people and at the same time NOT FOR the people! Explain that to me!

      • Kate8

        TIME – Twice now I’ve tried to post comments on a particular topic, and when I hit ‘post comment’, I get an error page and my comment is lost. I can’t tell you how frustrating that is.

        Your post is right on, TIME. The thing is, L/R is very much alive among the masses, and is fueled and stoked by the ‘ruling’ class in order to keep us squabbling and our attention deflected away from themselves.

        Some are opening their eyes, but many just cannot bring themselves to see that a vote either way makes little difference. None of them care about us.

        We must begin to take matters into our own hands. File charges of treason at your local county sheriff’s office against any local official who supports UN Agenda 21. Have them arrested.

        Stop complying with useless corporate laws which are rigged against us in favor of the corporate elite. The Constitution is not dead…it is just in a coma. It’s been overlayed with an illegitimate corporate system of rule, which must be dissolved.

        Sign the ReDeclaration. Vote for freedom. Do it for your children and grandchildren.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu9b7ezBQl0&feature=player_embedded

      • Robert Smith

        More lies about Agenda 21. Oh well for some truthful answers you can go to: http://www.betterworldcampaign.org/news-room/web-articles/agenda-21.html?gclid=CJm7mZWcmLQCFQ45nAodMz8AQw

        Short version: No country will be compelled to do anything.

        Rob

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        Yes indeed, saddly when I speak with folks about the flat tire ~ I get a few that are open to the quest,.
        But ~ with the average IQ at 85 even among people who are in their: 30′s 40′s 50′s 60′s and up. saddly far to many are hooked on the STUPID pills.

        I find that the youth are far more open to understanding the TRUTHS of where this flat tire started, and they are willing to work to pick up the mass of broken pieces and try and repair this broken wreck.

        So even with the lacking education, The youth gets it, why? There are no jobs for them and many of them see straight through the overt as well covert lies that the mass medai pumps out on mass.
        They also understand that killing others is not what they want to do, so wars and the crazy Bankers need for greed is not what the youth find of interest for expanding their horizons.

        Thats a very positive thing, but as these very same bankers are working over time to start up WW 3 ~ to compress and inject millions of youth into the Service of these Bankers altars of Death to fill their sick Blood Lust as well their global agenda of dominance.

        I believe our Youth are the future of the nation, so we must help to educate them as only we as a whole nation can stop this utter EVIL created by these very mentaly ill BANKERS.

        As to Mr. R.Smith,

        The “preponderance of evidence” will not suppot your opinions on the UN Agenda 21 Platform ~ BTW ~ that was instuted in 1992 under Bill Clinton in every one of the 50 state’s.

        Many of these programs are under differant titles Such as:
        Sustainable Growth patterns,
        Land use and Managment for Future Growth,
        Green areas and Ubarn Growth for a Sustainable Earth.
        Sustainable Development.
        And just how odd these same programs were used in Russia and China too. And even under the same names, not much changes from one “Socialist Fascist State” to the next.

        Even better people is the noted {“UN Food Alimentarius CODEX”} Where such briliance as Nutrients are bad for human health.
        Now thats just so special, but also within the UN FAC ~ they claim that Rat Poison is good for your health and your teeth, now thats pure rocket science at its best.

        You pay to kill your self and ~ you keep these marvels of the human race wealthy from your suffering by SICK CARE & Tooth Paste, and your drinking water as well all liquid’s you consume.
        Now thats one hell of a CON JOB, to get people to kill themselfs and pay you to do it.

        Thus again Mr Smith your missinformantion or lacking of Comprehension clearly displays you are at best “Illiterate.”

        But ~ I strongly feel after reading most of your post that,
        { you’re a “New World Order BANKER SHILL”}
        who post absurd rhetoric daily in order to try and diflect issues.

        Shame on you for being so mentaly ill as to prostitute you’re self for pure evil, ~ or are you just PURE EVIL.

        To everyone else ~
        Peace and Love, Merry Christmas, & Shalom ~ Happy Chanukah

      • Old Henry

        Kate, thank you for the link. It is very informative. I will be off shortly to try and sign the petition.
        OH

      • Kate8

        TIME – Again well stated and right on in every way.

        I do not believe for one moment that this evil will prevail. The perception of who is winning depends on to whom we listen.

        As for RS… well, what can we say. There is no doubt that he is a shill for the evils (temporarily) in charge, but he must be terribly uninformed, really stupid, or completely sold out to our enemies. Pick one.

        Anyone who supports Agenda 21 is not concerned about the future of their progeny, if they have any. This is not a partisan issue. One of the biggest opponents of this nightmare is Rosa Koire (Behind the Green Mask), who founded Democrats Against Agenda 21. It is nothing less than a move to confiscate ALL private property (yes, everything) and move us into 200 sq ft cubicles in prison camps…er, cities, with no access to anything but what the elite provide. And you cannot step outside the boundaries of your “city”.

        It is mostly about reducing the population of the planet, and controlling those who are left. This is at play in ALL cities and towns, and they MUST be stopped. The UN cannot be allowed to continue laying claim to our country, one land-grab at a time. Thank the Lord thaq the opposition is growing as people learn about this horror.

        Again, anything that is put in place covertly, under our noses, cannot be good for us. If it were, they’d do it out in the open. The intent of Agenda 21 is to put it in place with NO INPUT, OR EVEN KNOWLEDGE, of the people. Losing this battle is not an option.

      • Vigilant

        Louis Lemieux says:

        “Vigilant, how can a government be OF the people, BY the people and at the same time NOT FOR the people! Explain that to me!”

        Louis, like so many people, including politicians, you confuse “freedom” with “Democracy.” And, in what you would consider a contradiction, democracy has the power to be more tyrannical than a monarchy or a dictatorship.

        Let’s simplify this for you. The country X is a democracy. Country Y is a Constitutional Republic identical to the USA.

        The majority in country X votes to make Christianity the State Religion, and to have everyone pay taxes to support that religion. Because country X is a democracy, NO ONE in the minority can break the law and refuse to pay taxes to support that church. That’s democracy, majority RULES. There’s no recognition of natural rights, no individual sovereignty, no challenging the majority.

        In country Y (the USA), the safeguards against such tyranny are an integral part of the basic Constitution and Amendments. These safeguards were put in to PREVENT the majority from forcing its laws down the throats of the minority.

        Thus, democracy is government of the people (as with any form of government), by the people (but only a majority), and only FOR the majority, not the people as a whole.

        Do you understand now?

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        “”GREAT LINK,”" on the {{{Original 13th Amendment}} and the movment to restore the “ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION,”

        Saddly thats all I have been posting here now over the last few years, yet so many on this sight have had little to nothing positive to say about it, and thats why I have so little interest in this sight. The TRUTH they seem to not want. How bloody sad is that?

        Perhaps with some luck even the mushrooms here will get a grip on themselves and get the bloody lead out.. After all ~ their rants daily are of ZERO value, Oddly they are in fact not one bit differant than Mr Smith or many of the other zombies who post here daily.

        Peace and Love be with you, Merry Christmas & Shalom Happy Chanukah

      • America Rules

        A great American once stated;

        “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
        If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered……..
        The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs”……..

        Thomas Jefferson

        PS

        Starting this January, the Federal Reserve will be printing 43 billion a month to throw into obamas corruption waste chest.

        The Federal Reserve is also printing 40 billion dollars a month to buy bad housing loans from fanny and freddie!

        President Jefferson was 100% correct…… They have taken our properties our fathers fought for………………all while we slept……..

        Good night America……………..

      • TIME

        Dear AR,

        You’re not quite right, on the Fed’s Q E 3 effects ~ so let me make this crystal clear for all of you.
        The FED started QE 3 in October 2012 with the printing of $40 Billion Dollars per month,

        Q E 4 will start in Januray 2013, thats adding $43 BILLION more ~ for a total of $83 BILLION per month,
        As the “FEDERAL RESERVE” is not a Bank, ~ nor owned by the American people it has ZERO to do with anything AMERICAN.

        But the American people will pay for the behavior of these Criminals and thats now somewhere around $100 TRILLION DOLLARS, in “”UNFUNDED LIABILITIES.”"

        Not just the $16 TRILLION of DEBT. BTW ~ Soon to be $17.5 TRILLION, only to be followed by $18.9 ( TRILLION, and the interest keeps growing, BTW these BANKERS are not paying any INTEREST, But YOU are ~ as they grow their wealth by Billions per hour.

        QE 3 – If you have a loan on your home that means ALL of you who have a loan, your loan will be bundled into a “Derivative” ~ thus then giving away your HOME to whom even buys said DERIVATIVE,~~ YOU LOOSE any way you slice it.
        Here you have one of two paths and both will destroy what ever wealth the American Middle class has left.

        You then will pay whom ever { RENT } on your home ~ you will never own it.
        Thats called “Indentured Servitude.” { LOOK IT UP } as to what it means.

        Or even worse ~ the Fed who is also ownwed by the IMF Bankers will own your home and kick you out of it. You then will live under a bridge.
        People that’s part of the “United Nations ~ AGENDA 21″ “REGREENING PROGRAM.”

        All of this will have ZERO effect on the Wealthy, nor the EBT card people ~ {but the Middle class will PAY in BLOOD in all respects.}

        Look into KATE’S link above and bloody well learn something about whats broken in your nation,

        TURN OFF ~ your “Stupid BOX” then start looking these issues up on line before these Criminals take away your internet ability to find the TRUTH. .

      • http://ontheramparts.wordpress.com drtch

        Mr. Deo: You are “on the money!!!”

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Semper Fi FreedomFighter, need also to tell this nation we are a Republic and that we don’t want a dictator from either party. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year:

    • Vigilant

      Mr. Root, I believe Speaker Boehner should also point out to the American people that $800 billion in tax increases will fund only nine days of government. In a cost/benefit analysis, the results should be crystal clear: no real benefit at all, combined with a further cost to the economic growth of the nation.

      Obama knows that if he is successful in getting Boehner to cave, and he most likely will be successful, then he will have accomplished multiple goals: the fracture within the Republican Party will have widened, a bone will have been thrown to the “hate the rich” crowd, and Obama will take credit for being a compromiser (which he is not, in reality).

      A Fox poll revealed that 40% of Americans think it’s OK to kick the fiscal can down the road and visit our debt upon the backs of our children. That’s the sort of irresponsible, self centered electorate that votes socialists into office.

      The saddest part of it is that, when the economy fails big time here in a year or two, the propagandists will turn it around and blame, guess who? The Republicans.

    • http://ybob555@aol.com Bob

      You are dead on correct on both counts. Mr. Boehner is the worst Speaker of the House the Republicans ever had, doesn’t know anything about values that are good for the country, & will cave at the drop of a hat. If the Republican party doesn’t want to be consigned to “nothing-ness” in future years, they better get some leadership that have a backbone. A lot in their party are sick of the wimpy- ness, & giving in, after tough talking, then “zero”

      • tymtrvlr

        Bonehead lost my vote when after emailing him directly and asking him not to vote for obama’s stimulus package, he turned right around and did vote for it.
        Then the fools wondered where obama got all the money to get his marxist cohorts elected. All evidence shows that he and his minion were NOT getting donations like in 2008, so where did the money come from?
        Bonehead needs to go, the damned bunch need to be flushed.

      • Kate8

        Turns out that the bailout money was the pilfering of funds which Reagan had set up for us to finance the rebuilding of our economy when the people finally tossed out the foreign banksters and reclaimed our Republic. They’ve pilfered to the tune of $43trillion out of this account, and are being sued to replace it.

        Congress has been aiding and abetting these banksters in their thievery while pocketing nice tidy sums for their trouble. And it is a gross betrayal (and treason) of their office.

        What do you want to bet that Boehner’s tears when he assumed the role of Speaker was due to the visit he got the day before, telling him how things actually are, and how he would facilitate the fall of America to the NWO (if he cared to avoid the most certain consequences).

      • Smilee

        Success in negotiations is with the party that has the most power to get what they want and in this case Obama holds the far better hand as public opinion is with him and the people when they elected him for a second time erased any doubt he is the one they wanted to succeed on this issue. Boehner is skilled as a negotiator but no matter how skilled he is up against one equally as good a negotiator and over the barrel because he has a caucus that is divided and refuses to unite behind him and with public opinion against them and with Obama’s job approval now up to 57% he cannot win no matter how good he is and with the battle over higher income tax rates. Obama’s income tax increases on the rich becomes law it will put a big crack in Grover Norquist’s organization and you think Obama is going fold when he feels he can accomplish to some degree neutering Grover’s vise like hold on the republicans. Trust me Obama’s sees that as a real feather in his hat and public opinion wants it and it will increase his numbers even higher. I feel sorry for Boehner as he is between a rock and a hard place and will remain so until his caucus unites and if they unite against the president on this they do at the peril of the republican party as public opinion say they will get blamed leaving the president off the hook if the GOP does not fold to a much bigger degree than they have the last two years.

    • Warrior

      If repub leadership wasn’t part of the “dog n pony” show they would have and would be presenting the ‘facts” and “solutions”.

      “Facts” and “Solutions” are not part of this “game show”. Did everyone enjoy the little show in Michigan? In case you’re wondering, the game is called “CONTROL”.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        When we start valuing a Product thats Imported at what it would cost to produce that product in the USA then we will have established a base value on our Overall Economy and stop this devaluing towards the cheapest producing countries in the world that is only benefiting the Multi national Corporate Importers who have had this Luxurious Advantage due to their manipulating congress to not hold currency manipulators accountable and allow their currency values to rise as their GDP rises !!!!

    • Robert Smith

      From the article: “First, winning this negotiation is about winning the media battle. ”

      May I point out that the “negotiation” is already lost? It was put before the American PEOPLE in this thing called an election.

      Obama WON that election partly on promising the American PEOPLE that the rich would pay their fair share.

      So, is the right wing gonna listen to the PEOPLE? Or are the lap dogs of the top 2%

      Guess we will see which side is argued for around here.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        “A majority of voters say spending cuts are necessary to solve the country’s budget woes, and solely raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000 a year isn’t enough. (http://www.foxnews.com/)

        Indeed, RS, “is the [President] gonna listen to the PEOPLE?”

      • Vigilant

        RS says, “Obama WON that election partly on promising the American PEOPLE that the rich would pay their fair share.”

        And do either the PEOPLE or Obama realize that only 9 days of government can be funded by such a tax increase?

        Answer: Obama knows full well, and the PEOPLE who elected him don’t give a damn as long as the screws are put to the rich. Those PEOPLE have the foresight of a flea.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        WARRIOR is right , and this tells the story about our Government setting up the mechanisms for CONTROLLING the Masses when the Economic system collapses and the Obama Federal Government takes over and starts ratioing our rate of consumption when the announcement by the BRICS that they have stopped taking the US Dollar in exchange for goods imported from these BRICS nations , and Obama tells we the SERFS that its for our own good that they Nationalize the Free Markets Supply and ration what Little Supply we have in stock while they try and negotiate with the BRICS a better more abundant supply , But we see how well that Negotiating goes huh ??? !!!!!! 11 Secret Documents Americans Deserve to See
        http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/11-secret-documents-americans-deserve-to-see-121210?news=846439

      • DaveH

        In case you missed the bulletin, Robert, in this country the President doesn’t have law-making authority. Congress does. And the voters sent a majority of Republicans to the House of Representatives — you know Robert — the part of Congress that is supposed to represent the People?

      • Robert Smith

        From Vigilant: “(http://www.foxnews.com/)”

        Now there is a “news” source we can all trust (not).

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        DavidH says: “And the voters sent a majority of Republicans to the House of Representatives ”

        Oh yes, I remember how the Tea Baggers lost their seats and the Democratic party picked ‘em up.

        So, go back to the tax rates of Reagan and problems will be solved.

        Why are you sticking up for the looters?

        Rob

      • DaveH

        What did I say, Robert, that made you think I was sticking up for the Government?
        Makeup of the House of Representatives after the 2012 elections:
        234 Republicans, 201 Democrats.
        What we should go back to is the Federal Spending under Reagan, which was $1064 Billion. That’s less than 1/3 of what the Federal Government spends now.

      • Kate8

        Robert continues to repeat the same talking point mantras, and spew the same demeaning rhetoric, over and over, without regard to their accuracy or actuality.

        The shill is a total waste of oxygen, and even reading his posts is an insult to one’s intelligence.

        If I were running this blog, he’d be outta here.

      • Smilee

        DaveH says:
        December 13, 2012 at 9:00 am

        The republicans won the house but by a smaller margin and a smaller margin in the minority in the senate and Obama won and told the american people this is what he was going to do and poll numbers show well over 60% want him to succeed at it and since he took on the fight with the house republicans his job approval ratings have gone up 57% approval. Congress will write the law but it cannot become law unless he signs it or it will not become law and if it does not them the tax rates will automatically go up. Republicans can go down that road but will have to do so at their own peril as polls also show big that they will be blamed for it by the public if they do. Obama is in the drivers seat on this issue and the best they can hope for is that Obama agrees to do it in a way that saves some face for the GOP but they have to give him the income tax rate increase or it will not happen.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      O is not playing Boehner. Boehner is a Socialist, O is an outright Marxist, both think and act the same. It is matter of conjecture if O accommodates Boehner or if Boehner accommodates O .My thought is that they take turns accommodating each other.

    • moonbeam

      Louis Lemieux writes:

      “Republic and democracy can go together, they’re not a contradiction.”

      Constitutional Republic = RULE OF LAW (USA)
      Democracy= MOB RULE (ie unions, mafia, thugs)

      You don’t see a contradiction there?

      When politicians spout democracy and relate that to the US, I gotta problem. That’s why Christie, for instance, would never get my vote because he obviously doesn’t understand the difference between the two. He’s another knuckle head politico with a fat mouth and half a brain. I wouldn’t even vote him in for head ice cube.

      America is a Constitutional Republic where Rule of Law is always the order of the day. Not democracy’s mob rule.

      • Smilee

        It does not matter in this country if you see it as a republic or a democracy as the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and either way you see it will be the control over our laws and it both cases laws will be made by Representative government established by free elections and it has been that way since the beginning except the senate at first was determined of the vote of the legislature in each state instead of by the people as it is now. That is why weather you see it as a democracy or a republic under our Constitution they have to operate exactly the same so your position on it is irrelevant.

    • Sam

      Neither man is suited to the jobs they hold. Boehner is about as far from a leader as you can get. Obama is just a dishonest radical who is intent upon destroying the USA.

    • Old Henry

      Harold, that pretty much sums it up. Good job.

    • Ralph Miller

      Hes not alone Lindsey Grrahm John MCcain Cantor .Most of the [GOP} for the last 8 years have been making me sick. that goes for George W Bush to .Thay live in a fantasyland l have never saw so many people sufser we will never forget

      • Kate8

        Ralph – The only conclusion one can come to concerning the GOP is that they are, by and large, all traitors.

        Of course, the dems sold us out long ago. The GOP just took longer to show their true colors.

    • http://ontheramparts.wordpress.com drtch

      Mr. Olsen….AMEN!!! This entire “Fiscal Cliff” argument is a lie. Even the concept of “balancing the budget” is essentially meaningless within the context of our Fed. Reserve System” sham of an economic system. Besides, if we did want to cull the Federal budget, my “Target” would be the Military-Industrial-Intelligence (largely off-budget) chunk…which I would IMMEDATELY halve. ..along with all “corporate welfare.”

      • Motov

        Then go after useless bureaucrats like dept of education, dept of energy, and other depts that the constitution says belongs to the states or local governments.

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