Ok Sam, if that is your real name…. The people that have screwed this country for the past 30 years believed in god and were white. So your last part is utter BS.

Since you can’t deal with the hypocrisy of conservative males… you attack me. Typical of a conservative parrot.

Wrong, wrong, wrong Dave 67. Remember, the ones that have been “screwing” this country for the past 30 years are the libtards, progtards, queers, secularists, atheists, socialists, and any other group that would be classified as being part of the 5th column. I attack you due to your ignorance and not knowing how this country was founded a Christian nation and wanting to continue down the wrong path. I hope this is a good enough explaining for you to understand. Here is something about your messiah in office:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-felony-fraud-proven/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”

Psalms 33:12

You are correct, Kinetic1; my apologies!

Kinetic – That is utter nonsense. The government issues biased, partisan and offensive things into the public domain all the time.

Also consider, just WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT? It is supposed to be THE PEOPLE in America. The People have free speech. No exceptions (so long as there is no harm to another).

I don’t care what anyone has on a license plate. I may have an opinion about it, but I still don’t care. I can’t see why anyone would care. It has ZERO impact on ANYTHING.

You liberals seem to think that the government is supposed to be BigBrother and rule over we mindless livestock. Nothing could be further from the truth. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR US.

“NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO CLAIM AUTHORITY OVER ANOTHER”. – One of our founders (can’t recall which one.)

Is your whole life dedicated to attacking Christians? What do you know about Islam? Nothing? Why don’t you educate yourself? Oh, I get it. Insult Islam and muslims will kill you, whereas, Christians, not so much. Coward.

Guess asks: “Is your whole life dedicated to attacking Christians?”

No.

In fact I only attack those “christians” who use the bible babble as an excuse to attack others. In fact I appreciate the fact that most Christians are good Americans who support freedmoms and understand the difference between those who are part of their flock and those who are trying to impose their beliefs upon others.

in other forums I attack anyone who opposes freedoms in America. Sadly you apparently aren’t willing to understand that I oppose anyone who restricts freedoms in America.

Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

I’m sure you might understand the difference between a riight wing effort and real christanity. If not, oh well. Bow before Rush Limbaugh.

Rob

One guess claims: “Oh, I get it. Insult Islam and muslims will kill you,”

Let them try. I have my carry permit, just as I say to the extreme right wing that kills doctors.

The evil of the muslims isn’t attacking me here light the reich wing is. When they do I’ll respond to them as I do the extreme reich wing.

Rob

Or a pirate.

Those who oppose the approach taken by obamacare are not necessarily opposed to universal healthcare, as you so claim. The fact remains that obamacare fails to address the main problem of the fundamental costs associated with healthcare.

But go ahead and continue your endless spin. The more you say, the less relevant you become.

I couldn’t help but notice that your reply to Sue’s comment had nothing to do with said comment. Just another mindless attack from you…..what a shock…

RS is susceptible to brain farts, and this is no exception.

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution, based on Jefferson’s iteration of Natural Law, enjoin against the taking of life.

Health care is NOT a right, under Natural Law, the Constitution, or any exercise of common sense judgment.

That’s an easy one JT. Its the private health care insurers who increased rates for decades and they are still in charge of the main operations. Nothing will change because they still have to please their shareholders who demand big payouts.

Of the bigoted persons who post on this site, Robert Smith is the hands-down most predictable. All I need to do is see the name and I know that that which follows will never contain a new or original thought.

He has built himself a box within which he securely resides, and if he ever had an original thought it would die of loneliness.

His penchant for inserting his anti-Christian remarks, more often than not without regard for the subject matter, indicates an obsession that is sociopathic in nature.

Tell us, Robert, if you have the courage, what traumatic things have occurred to you in life which made you such a blind hater?

Robert Smith says:
“I’m curious… How can anyone proclaim themselves to be “pro-life” and then deny universal health care? ”

We do not deny universal healthcare. You are free to seek out any healthcare you choose. Alas Obamacare will strip you of that right and the right of practitioners of health care to provide it to you. (note that obamacare is actually obama forced insurance and not health care at all)

What we are curious about is how you feel about Obamacare given that it will strip you of so many of your universal health care CHOICES.

jt says: “The fact remains that obamacare fails to address the main problem of the fundamental costs associated with healthcare.”

Do you mean like no bid pharmaceutics? Oops, that was Bush.

Do you mean like $8.00 for an aspirin? Oops, that’s BIG CORPORATIONS.

Do you mean like greedy doctors? Oops, again that’s capitalism.

And then there are doctors who work for the military, Catholic hospitals, Shrine hospitals…

So, how do we REGULATE health care costs?

Rob

From Vickie: “Alas Obamacare will strip you of that right and the right of practitioners of health care to provide it to you.”

Absolutely FALSE compared to what we have today. It’s CORPORATIONS who are making health care decisions. Their mission is to KEEP COSTS DOWN, IOW, deny treatment at every turn they can.

BTW, have you seen how little choice because of expense it is to go “outside plan?”

Rob

Robert Smith says:
“From Vickie: “Alas Obamacare will strip you of that right and the right of practitioners of health care to provide it to you.”

Absolutely FALSE compared to what we have today. It’s CORPORATIONS who are making health care decisions. Their mission is to KEEP COSTS DOWN, IOW, deny treatment at every turn they can.”

That is the mission of INSURANCE not Health Care. You really ought to keep the 2 consepts straight. It would make the discussion a LOT LESS confusing to people.

And yes I fall into the same trap sometimes. I will try to do better.

Robert Smith:
“BTW, have you seen how little choice because of expense it is to go “outside plan?” ”

It is only expensive because insurance companies pool large groups of people to pay exorbitant prices for the few who may need it.

No its expensive because of the cost of paying CEOs huge salaries. May I remind you of that United Healthcare Executive who retired with a 1 billion 400 million dollar pension. That alone would sink many a company. Its outrageous and it is still going on.

eddie47d says:
“No its expensive because of the cost of paying CEOs huge salaries. May I remind you of that United Healthcare Executive who retired with a 1 billion 400 million dollar pension. That alone would sink many a company. Its outrageous and it is still going on.”

Prima facie evidence that liberals (at least eddie47d) have no concept of even the most basic economics.

The CEO asked for and got that salary. United Healthcare earned enough money to pay that salary. United Health care earned that much money because they were able to get that much money from their customers. United Health care is an insurance company. http://www.uhc.com/

So now with ObamaCare (If United plays ball with the government) United Health Care stands to get a bunch more customers because the government will require individuals to buy approved health insurance.

Crony Capitalism at its finest.

Btw Eddie. If you don’t like the salary being paid the CEO of a company then just get on the board (or buy 51% of the voting stock) and fire the CEO and hire one that is willing to take what you plan to offer to him/her.

That’s the problem with the Vickie’s who think those CEOs deserve what ever they ask for. Yet the Vickie’s never question why medicine and health care cost so much. Damn two faced hypocrites and thieves. I would call you out as an accomplice to price gouging hospital patients and prescription consumers.

Kinetic1 writes:
“And how about incidences of rape, incest, etc. Do women have a choice then as well? ”

Yes we do. with the exception of rape. And in that case if you would kindly let us carry our pistols LEGALLY we could deal with rape BEFORE it becomes a problem.

Vicki,
Are you suggesting that no woman who carries a gun has ever been raped? Further, are you implying that victims of incest choose to allow their relatives to violate them?! Next I suppose you are going to tell me that it’s a women’s duty to lie back and allow her husband to have his way whenever he wants.

Kinetic1 says:
“Vicki,
Are you suggesting that no woman who carries a gun has ever been raped?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DO42gUPdwk

Kinetic1: “Further, are you implying that victims of incest choose to allow their relatives to violate them?”

If they did not choose or chose NO then it would be RAPE.

Kinetic1: “Next I suppose you are going to tell me that it’s a women’s duty to lie back and allow her husband to have his way whenever he wants.”

I’m not Muslim.

Don’t you love how liberals (Kinetic in this case) try to add their meanings to your statements.

Good grief Vickie few incest victims approve of what is done to them. Some may not know any better and may even think its normal. At least until someone informs them or they seek the truth on their own. You seem to be adding your own meaning to incest victims as you claim Kinetic is doing.

eddie47d says:
“You seem to be adding your own meaning to incest victims as you claim Kinetic is doing.”

Not even close. Rape is rape. The biological relationship of the victim is not relevant.

Non rape incest is not an adequate excuse to murder a child. That was the point being discussed in case you missed it.

Well, Rob, that is the point. You have no choice after death. You are choosing now. Insult believers all you want, it makes no difference. Logically, belief makes more sense than unbelief. Look at it this way: Belief: if you are right, you are rewarded; if you are wrong, then you have still lived a good life, being wrong doesn’t matter. Unbelief: if you are right, it doesn’t matter; if you are wrong….well…burn.

One guess claims: “You have no choice after death.”

Prove that one.

Rob

Eddie, the first people I would select for retroactive abortion would be politicians, followed, by lawyers, bad cops, and selected other criminals, too numerous to mention.

Felice Navidad

Catholic hospitals DO receive federal funding.

Rob

Robert Smith says: “Catholic hospitals DO receive federal funding.”

Does the National Right to Life organization?

How about ANY pro-life advocacy group? NO, and THAT is the point.

JT” Isn’t Choose Life expressing YOUR view ? Abortion is a personal choice not a government choice like in China. No Federal funds are used for the procedure and yes I’m sure you can find an exception somewhere.

jt,
What services do these organizations provide that would justify Federal funding? Planned Parenthood provides caner screenings, AIDs testing, birth control and yes, to a much smaller degree abortion services. Even if you disagree with a women’s right to choose you can’t really disagree with cancer screening and AIDs testing, can you?

I’ve been to the “National Right to Life” web site and from what I can tell they seem to be nothing more than an anti-abortion lobby. Since the Federal government does not fund lobbying groups for the purpose of lobbying the House and Senate, why would you expect them to receive funding?

eddie47d says:
“No Federal funds are used for the procedure and yes I’m sure you can find an exception somewhere.”

Oh a wee bit more than “an”
http://www.nrlc.org/AHC/

JT writes:
“How does the anti-life left justify their stance on such an egregiously horrific violation of the most basic of all human rights?”

Convenience.

jt,
“I never said that I believe they should receive funding based on their mission. (but thanks for twisting my words into something I never said)”

Twisting? I think not.
“So, if all things MUST be equal, then either start giving equal dollars to pro-life groups, or rescind ALL taxpayer funding of planned parenthood, and ALL other abortion providers and advocacy groups.”
You, YOU suggested the concept of all things being equal. I am not aware of any pro-choice lobbying groups who receive Federal funding for the purpose of lobbying, only those like Planed Parenthood who perform medical services in some of the most needed places in our country. You suggested that, to be equal the Feds should “start giving equal dollars to pro-life groups”. All I asked was why? What do they do that makes them “equal”?

I’m sorry if this was too much to ask of you, but accusing me of twisting your words is a coward’s way out.

WHO’S choice? The PERSON who’s life hangs in the balance has NO CHOICE. And THAT has always been the point.

Ummm… That is ALREADY an option.

All murderers want the “legal” choice. Some get it. Just Ask Stalin.

jt asks: “WHO’S choice?”

Each woman,

She is the only one who gets to define what is going on inside her.

Rob

Wrong, wrong, wrong Rob. The woman has the right to choose protection or not, if she is married, but if she uses no protection and gets pregnant, she must be prepared to be a mother. Her choice, her child, her responsibility. No exceptions! No excuses! No straying from the straight and narrow path. Here is something that shows supporters of unplanned parenthood are fleeing from them due to Obama bin Laden Care mandate.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/planned-parenthood-mandates-abortions-affiliates-flee/

FOT GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out Rob.

“The fool sayeth there is no God within his own heart.”

Pslams 14:1
Psalms 53:1

Robert I think you are full of it and have lost what little credibility you had. It is now obvious you are an extreme left wing liberal and most likely and atheist to boot!!! Am I right?

Jack, you are very wrong.

Now, can you address the issue of the ACLU sticking up for Rush? After all, folks around here seem to get all damp in their shorts about him as he feeds them their opinions. Do you object to the ACLU helping him out?

Rob

Its obvious that Jack Sprate is an extreme right winger with few facts of his own. He pretends to be knowledgeable yet refuses to answer the question about Rush.

Hamilton went on to say, in Federalist 78, pg. *313-314:
“The judiciary may be said to have neither FORCE nor WILL, merely judgment.
“The judiciary, … can take no active resolution whatever.”

Madison warned in Federalist 47, pg. *198-199:
“Were the power of judging joined with the legislative, … the judge, would then be the legislator. Were it joined to the executive power, the judge might behave with all the violence of an oppressor.”

Hamilton also said, in Federalist 78, pg. *314:
“Every act of a delegated authority that is contrary to its commission is void.”

Our Constitution should only be changed through amendment where 3/4 of all the states have to agree. See Article V of the US Constitution. That is the only way for the people to retain control through their state legislatures.

Changing the Constitution in any other way falls out side of Constitutional authority and is a usurpation of unauthorized Constitutional power.

It’s still the job of the Supreme Court of the United States to protect the Constitution.

Rob

Rob – Too bad they’ve chosen to violate that sworn duty.

Then why don’t they do that Rob, hmmm? With Kagen and Stottomeyer(sp) on the bench, this will never be done. Here is something about Obama bin Laden and the direction he is having us go.

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/you-know-youre-a-communist-when/

Sounds like the direction that the 5th columners on this site, as well as Washington, want us to go. Better dead than red! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

“The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver (GOD) and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testiment.”

Samuel Adams

Robert you can try all you want but you can never justify the killing of a baby at any stage of life. As a matter of fact many babies are killed up to 3rd trimester called partial birth abortion. They allow the baby to be partially born with the head still stuck inside of the vagina, they they insert instruments inside of the vagina and around the babies head. They them crush the head brains and all and i imagine the baby will try to scream but cannot.. It can feel pain!!! This is barbaric how far will America sink???

It is murder pure and simple no matter how you or anyone tried to color this!

Hey Jack here you go: “It is murder pure and simple no matter how you or anyone tried to color this!”

Quit lying. In America abortion is mostly legal. “Murder” is a legal term. Please make sure to clarify that it may be “murder” in your religion, but for the rest of us it’s a simple medical procedure.

BTW, your bogus PBA has been pretty much outlawed. That means that some women who actually need to have an abortion because something has gone horrifically wrong with a fetus that in all likelihood was WANTED can’t have the best medical procedure for her circumstance.

I find it very sad that because of religion the local gas jockey can play doctor and tell women what procedures can and can’t be used.

Rob

Yes Jack late term abortions are ugly yet they are extremely rare and almost always done to save the mothers life. Now I don’t want to hear about the exceptions to enthrall your own despicable fantasies because we can already see that is what you are itching for.

robert, a life is a life, regardless of a particular developmental stage. A separate individual is created when sperm meets egg at the moment of conception, That is not some religious re-interpretation of reality. It is a simple fact of biology, and is medically proven.

Maybe the anti-lifers should consider self-aborting. After all, it’s just a “simple medical procedure”, right?

And BTW Robby: Murder may indeed be a legal term, but that does not preclude it’s use in other-than-legal capacities. In other words, it is not ONLY a legal term, and therefore cannot be pigeonholed into a specific use, as you so pathetically attempted to do. The word “murder” has been around long before it’s use in U.S. legislation.

You do not get to define how others frame their side of the debate, so you seek to invalidate their choice of verbiage.

eddie: obama is on record as specifically advocating the use of partial birth abortion, in addition to the prohibition, by statute, of any attempt to preserve the life of any infant who survives a partial birth abortion. This is a human rights abomination, and so is he.

eddie47d says:
“Yes Jack late term abortions are ugly yet they are extremely rare and almost always done to save the mothers life.”

The problem with made up facts is that they are made up. Kinda like the “lying” that Robert is now trying to use to counter the observation that killing a person is not murder if it is “legal”.

3000-5000 murders each year is hardly rare and performed on healthy children (killing them) and healthy mothers.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/abortion/partial-birth-abortion/are-partial-birth-abortions-common/

Dear Vicki,

You write: “The problem with made up facts is that they are made up. Kinda like the “lying” that Robert is now trying to use to counter the observation that killing a person is not murder if it is “legal”.

3000-5000 murders each year is hardly rare and performed on healthy children (killing them) and healthy mothers.” Careful. Facts can make eddie47d’s head explode.

Best wishes,
Bob

Too bad you didn’t say “human life.”

Here is what you posted: “robert, a life is a life, regardless of a particular developmental stage.”

Here is some bible babble via Dan: “In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.”

Oh my! Look what else Dan found: “Numbers 5 describes “the Lord” ordering an abortion. Many argue that this is a misinterpretation. It’s clearly stated in verse 22, “May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”"

The lord is her abortion doctor… Oh wait a minute, its “Sheppard.” Maybe you want to be a farm animal, but I’ll remain human.

Rob

From Bob Livingston: “You write: “The problem with made up facts is that they are made up. Kinda like the “lying” that Robert is now trying to use to counter the observation that killing a person is not murder if it is “legal”.”

Well… Abortion is mostly legal in most of America.

If you want to call it “murder” please define what other context you are applying that label in. For most I’ll bet it’s in a religious context.

However to declare it “murder” in America it is a lie that I’ll continue to correct as long as abortion remains legal.

Rob

Robert – How comical that you use verses from a book that you open decry to justify your position.

God alone gets to decide who lives and who dies. Not only that, but with the birth of Yeshua, the old covenant was replaced with the New One… which is one built on Love and Life.

Both the Torah and the New Covenant follow the Law “Thou shalt not kill”.

Its still rare Bob Livingston and even if it was a personal choice don’t we have enough folks in prison instead of trying to conjure up new crimes and punishment. That is what the Conservatives want and have tried to put it in the states Constitution (Dakotas).

eddie47d says:
“Its still rare Bob Livingston…”

Failure to quantify “rare”. Here are some real numbers (watch out liberals. Facts ahead.)
http://www.numberofabortions.com/

“….and even if it was a personal choice don’t we have enough folks in prison instead of trying to conjure up new crimes and punishment.”

Murder is hardy a NEW crime.

Bob Livingston says:
“Dear Vicki,
…
Careful. Facts can make eddie47d’s head explode.”

That would hurt. Kinda like partial birth abortions (those are technically implosions) but the baby doesn’t survive to write about it later.

Vickie would rather have a dead mother and a weeping husband who actually may have to take care of that child on his own. I hate to inform you Vickie there aren’t always someone out there to take care of other peoples problems so it is their decision.

Here goes Rob and Ed trying to make excuses again for abortion. First, Ed if that happened, then the man should stand on his own 2 feet, be a man, and take responsibility for raising and caring for the child. No exceptions! Rob, why do you consistanly post lies, rhetoric, and innuendo? Remember, Bob has warned you about talking certain ways. How does it feel to have the shoe on the other foot, hmmm? Here are the 5 new taxes starting next month thanks to Obama bin Laden.

http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/11/28/five_new_obamacare_taxes_coming_january_1

Get ready to bend over, grab your ankles, and brace for impact. Ooops! Isn’t that what Obama bin Laden was doing with men in a certain “gentlemen’s club?” I forgot again that we will never know, due to them dying earlier than expected. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves the 5th columners out of the picture.

“America was founded by people who believed that God was their rock of safety. I recognize we must be cautious in claiming that God is on our side, but I think it’s all right to keep asking if we are on His side.”

Ronald Reagan

Jack asks: “Isn’t DEATH the opposite of LIFE? ”

Nope. You don’t get to define the other side.

Each woman who has a CHOICE can decide for herself to carry to term or not. I am pro-her making that choice, not pro-death.

I find it sad that you apparently can’t see the difference.

Rob

Robert Smith says: “You don’t get to define the other side. ”

REALLY?? The anti-life crowd has been FALSELY “defining” their opposition for decades.
Case in pojnt: The non-existent “war on women” BS spewed by by every left-wing radical progressive and parroted by their clueless followers.

Robert Smith says: ” I am pro-her making that choice, not pro-death. I find it sad that you apparently can’t see the difference. ”

Pro-life advocates are pro-THE BABY making that choice. The one person who faces the prospect of having their life snuffed out at the whim of another individual has NEVER had a VOICE, and therefore never had a CHOICE.

I find it sad that YOU apparently can’t see the difference.

Robert Smith writes:
“Each woman who has a CHOICE can decide for herself to carry to term or not.
I am pro-her making that choice, not pro-death. ”

And she made that choice when she CHOOSE to have sex. You are really asking for the ability to get out of making a BAD choice. (For her and the father),

Since the choice to abort results in the death of the child you most certainly are pro-death. You could counter with “people who are for the death penalty are pro-death and you would be correct BUT at least those people want someone guilty of serious crime to be punished. YOU want the most innocent people in the world punished. How barbaric.

jt says: “Pro-life advocates are pro-THE BABY making that choice.”

Really???? If I were a baby under that there brutal christian god that blew up Sodom and Gomorrah (nobody has told me what “gamorraty” is yet) and killed everyone except Noah and his kin…

Anyhow, if I were there I’d be SCREAMING!!!!!, “GET ME OUT OF HERE.” I don’t want that life where I might sin and be sent to eternal damnation in a fiery pit of evil because I screwed up and didn’t follow the proper repenting procedure. I want that there ticket to that there heaven punched right now.”

That’s what any “baby” would say if they knew the situation they were in.

Rob

Posted again and again and again: “And she made that choice when she CHOOSE to have sex. ”

Not according to U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock.

He said that he is sorry if he offended anyone by saying that pregnancies from rape are a gift from god..

So, it’s your brutal god that sets up women with unwanted pregnancies.

Oh, and he can even do it to a virgin. Just ask Marry.

Rob

jt says: “of having their life snuffed out at the whim of another individual has NEVER had a VOICE, and therefore never had a CHOICE.”

Really? How do you know tha “choice” wouldn’t have been, “Get me out of here NOW so I don’t have to face that “life” thing of eternal damnation?

Rob

Robert Smith says:
“How do you know tha “choice” wouldn’t have been, “Get me out of here NOW so I don’t have to face that “life” thing of eternal damnation?”

Since you have no idea either (other than your own projecton) how about we let the child live so they can tell us what that choice is.

“The non-existent “war on women” ”

It’s real. The attacks on choice for women are enough to define it.

The attacks on legislation that would equalize pay are another.

And so many more…

Rob

Vicki asks” “Since you have no idea either (other than your own projecton) how about we let the child live so they can tell us what that choice is.”

How’s ’bout the extreme right stop “speaking” as them too.

I find it sad that you can’t see another point of view than your own about what something that can’t “speak” would say.

Rob

And Murdock was right. Rape does not justify abortion.

http://www.patriotupdate.com/videos/politichicks-does-rape-justify-abortion

Just been proven wrong by a bunch of women Rob. How does it feel getting whompped by a group of women? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out Rob.

“Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.”

Samuel Adams

eddie – Just call “pro choice” what it is: the “right” to kill.

Choice should be considered prior to the moment of conception. Everyone has the right to choose then.

In the case of rape, measures can be taken right away. Again, the proper timing of “choice”.

You people base your arguments on emotional talking points, while leaving our pertinent (and obvious) data. We all have choices. Timing is everything.

And, of course, that dreaded word for liberals: ACCOUNTABILITY.

Quite true Kate8.

The “pro-choice” people also ignore the CHOICE of the CHILD. They somehow claim that a woman’s right to not be inconvenienced by a bad choice is more important than the child’s right to LIVE.

The actual excuse is that the child is not a child yet so even they know the hypocrisy of their position.

Kate8 points out: “And, of course, that dreaded word for liberals: ACCOUNTABILITY.”

Yup, like Universal Health Care. But oops, “pro-life” is simply jargon for anti-choice. It has absolutely nothing to do with babies. If it did they would make sure that the baby would be taken care of after it’s born.

BTW, in Canada where they have universal health care, including birth control, they have a higher percentage of women carrying to term. First because because of birth control they only get pregnant when they want to, and another reason is that they know that if they give birth it will be taken care of.

Check out: “A dramatic new study with implications for next month’s presidential election finds that offering women free birth control can reduce unplanned pregnancies — and send the abortion rate spiraling downward.”

That’s from: http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/04/14224132-free-birth-control-cuts-abortion-rate-dramatically-study-finds?lite

Here is a bit more to chew on from the same article: “But to academic experts, the results of CHOICE are clear. “What the study suggests to me,” said John Santelli, professor at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health, “is that it’s totally supportive of the president’s provisions on reproductive care and preventive services for women in the Affordable Care Act.”

Rob

Robert – If you liberals and whoever else want to participate in a group healthcare plan, then GO AHEAD AND DO IT. But leave those of us who DON’T want it to make our own choices… Or do choices only matter when the issue is important to liberals?

How is FORCING me into paying for a medical system which I wholly reject and abhor allowing me to make MY own choices?

You are a monstrous hypocrit.

The queen of conspiracies is calling Liberals hypocrites. How dare you! LOL! I hate to tell you Kate 8 not enough children benefit from feel good Conservatives who donate to charities. That is admirable to give but what about all the children who aren’t covered or need help in thriving.If they don’t have parents and need help then how are Conservatives ACCOUNTABLE. You can’t cover all the needs no matter how hard you try and then the government may have to step in . Those women seeking an abortion are actually doing you a service because charities don’t have enough money to handle more and you won’t allow the government to step in and help.

What, Robert. No smart alec response to this?

A few facts here Ed and Rob. 1. The words choice, choose, freedom of choice, or freedom to choose do not appear in the Constitution. 2. All abortion is about is population control, eugenics, and about women who would rather keep up their immoral lifestyles instead of living up to their responsibilities. 3. It is their choice to have sex with no protection. Ergo, their choice, their child, their responsibility. No exceptions! No excuses! No straying from the straight and narrow path. Ooops! It seems Rob has already done the straying. Here is one to all post abortion women:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/an-open-letter-to-post-abortive-women/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Rob out.

“A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education.”

Theodore Roosevelt

Robert Smith says:
“Yup, like Universal Health Care. But oops, “pro-life” is simply jargon for anti-choice.”

Pro-life IS Pro-Choice. The key difference is who’s choice. Instead of the contract murderer, pro life is pro-choice for the totally innocent and defenseless victim.

Abortion is not eugenics unless that is the stated goal of a government or group of people. An individual and personal decision does not constitute any such thing.

Kate8 asks: “How is FORCING me into paying for a medical system which I wholly reject and abhor allowing me to make MY own choices?”

Or forcing ME (and my kids) to pay for Bush’s wars.

We are America. Obama won. We want health care.

Rob

Well said Vicki and Kate 8. But alas! Poor Rob just will not be able to comprehend what you have posted. Rob is still the sheeple. Bush, baaaaa! Wars, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can’t you come up with something new Rob or are you just the perverbial broken record? We want health care? Since when is abortion a health care issue? It is not and only a mere simpleton would say otherwise. Also, I see that Rob has forgotten that 70% of Americans don’t want Obama bin Laden Care. Governor Mitch Daniels of Indiana has stood up to Obama bin Laden and will not implement any part of Obama bin Laden Care in Indiana. Another good leader standing up for the people and not the government. Here is something showing how businesses will be cutting peoples hours, cutting workers, and how they must pay fines to the IRS if they don’t follow the guidelines of Obama bin Laden Care. Where is the freedom in that?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/01/walmart-health-care-policy-medicaid-obamacare_n_2220152.html

Even your libtard/progtard sites are reporting against this obviously large tax increase on the people of America. When will you 5th columners ever wake up? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Rob out.

“Liberty and Union, one and inseparable, now and forever exclaim Christ first, our country next!”

Andrew Johnson

I hate to tell you this, Rob…but those wars you don’t want to support? You are STILL PAYING FOR THEM with your guy in office.

Not to mention paying for the Orwellian police state we are now finding ourselves under. Once again, your guy.

And FYI, I have NEVER supported wars, either. Nope. No more than I support O’care. However, being FORCED to pay for a war does not have the same personal impact that being FORCED to purchase healthcare (which I do not believe in) does. This affects our choices on a very personally intrusive level, which goes beyond the very boundaries of our skin.

Like I said…Why can’t those of you who WANT socialized healthcare go ahead and do it among yourselves, leaving the rest of us be. THAT would be CHOICE.

Also FYI, the majority of Americans do NOT want O’care, yet the few of you who do think it’s okay to RAM IT DOWN OUR THROATS.

Just like a liberal, you consider some of you more equal than others.

Sorry, Robert. Pro-choice is just a more palatable way to say “pro-abortion”, and you know it.

Kate8,
In that case “pro-Life” is just an acceptable way to say Pro forced pregnancy. Or perhaps you prefer “Pro forced religion”? Trying to define either side by one simple sound bite is disingenuous at best.

Kinetic – Read my lips:

ANY WOMAN HAS THE CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER TO GET PREGNANT.

The time to choose is before having unprotected sex, not after the child is conceived.

You liberals are all about allowing people to make foolish, irresponsible choices, and then making those who ARE responsible pay for them.

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Accountability. Accept responsibility for your own poor choices. Appeal to the mercy of your own family.

I have nothing further to add to this idiocy. That is my final stance.

That could mean having a baby is committing a crime (Kate’s analogy) and the woman has to do the time whether she wants to or not.

Kate8 claims: “Pro-choice is just a more palatable way to say “pro-abortion”, and you know it.”

Nope. I’ve corrected you on this before. I don’t like abortion at all. But that is overshadwoed by CHOICE of individual women in America.

Why can’t you accept those who choose differently as I enjoy those who choose life?

Rob

If you love those that choose life Rob, why are you attacking those that are pro-life? This would kind of make you a hypocrite, wouldn’t it? Here is something else about Obama bin Laden Care:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/obamacare-jiu-jitsu/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out. Here is what Washington said about people who try to remove Christianity and morals from government.

“In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars.”

George Washington

Kind of describes you and your 5th column ilk, eh Rob?

Rob – “Why can’t you accept those who choose differently as I enjoy those who choose life? ”

Knock yourself out. I have no problem with reducing liberal numbers. Like I said, let the woman deal with the consequences of her actions, regardless of what she chooses. She should not expect the rest of us to pay for her choices.

Like I said, I object to government controlling such things that it has no business being involved in. I object to government promoting abortion. I object to government involving me in someone’s personal choices, forcing me to pay for them. I object to government painting murder with a happy face in order to corrupt the minds of our youth, thus reducing the value of human life.

I object to government appearing to relieve people of responsibility for whatever they do, all for the purpose of gaining ever more control over us all.

Get a clue, Robert. You are grossly misled in so many ways. You seem to think that you and your ilk have some kind of innate right to a share of the earnings of others just because you exist. Perhaps you should consider that your life is worth no more than that of those children you so callously would deprive of their lives. Perhaps you might consider what will become of you when the government decides YOU’VE become inconvenient (or unsustainable).

Right, Vicki, “liberty.” Liberty to voice all sides of an issue or none.

One wonders why we even call ourselves the “United States of America” any longer, since state sovereignty is obviously no longer honored in the judicial system.

This suit NEVER should have reached federal level, nor should it have been accepted by the court. The First Amendment deals exclusively with the reins placed on Congress, NOT the states. Someone needs to tell me what this issue has to do with the fact that “CONGRESS shall make no law…”

The North Carolina Constitution is the governing document, and nothing else, pursuant to the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution.

Vigilant – I agree with you. Since when is our right to speak freely require that there is someone else to voice the opposite? What is preventing pro-abortion folks from requesting a license which states “choose death” if that’s what they want? I say, go ahead. Make that statement. Very telling, indeed. Just say what you mean. Don’t try to couch it with euphemisms. You only fool yourselves.

And since when is anyone’s opinion influenced by a license plate? It’s a personal statement. Period. Not a government endorsement.

I think we’ve long past the point of insanity. The Left is so insecure about the validity of their nonsensical obsession with controlling the minds (and lives) of everyone that they feel they must counter EVERY statement which does not agree with them.

I say that we just ignore them and do what we want. It’s like raising a spoiled child…the more we try to placate them, the more out of control they get.

I mean, when conservatives are outright dissed, where is the demand for THEM to be heard?

The truth is, we all have the right to speak. But NO ONE has the RIGHT to be heard.

Karolyn is right. We have liberty to express both sides of the issue. The Choose Life plate is one point of view, but the Pro Choice plate would not be correct plate to counter since Pro Choice is not the opposite view of Pro Life because it gives a person a choice to choose Life or Death. So to remedy this case, NC should make two types of plates: “Choose Life” and Choose Death”. That should keep everyone satisfied.

Kate8 says, “And since when is anyone’s opinion influenced by a license plate? It’s a personal statement. Period. Not a government endorsement.”

Concur. Here in NY, the DMV site has the following:

“New York’s Special Interest plates are divided into the following categories: Sports Teams; Causes and Organizations; Counties and Regions of New York State; Colleges, Fraternities and Sororities; Military and Veterans; Emergency Services; Professions; Personalized, Historical and Picture plates. The following is a list of some examples of special interest plates: NASCAR, NBA, Conserve Habitat, Discover Queens, Hudson Valley Region, Fordham University, Air National Guard, Air Force Reserve, Emergency Technician and New York State Dental Association.”

Now, does having a NASCAR or college fraternity plate constitute endorsement by the state of NY? Does a Fordham University plate mean that NYS supports that institution to the exclusion of all others?

I don’t think so. They are indeed personal statements, and the owner pays dearly to express that statement.

Kate8 writes:
“The truth is, we all have the right to speak. But NO ONE has the RIGHT to be heard.”

Quite true. And bears telling over and over. Freedom of assembly (from the same amendment) protects our right to hear the speaker AND the right to walk away.

On the one hand I can see the reason for saying you must allow for a pro choice (death) plate if you allow a pro life plate. HOWEVER, this is a STATE matter not a federal matter. The feds are not paying for our plates nor or they issuing them the states do that with the exception of federally owned vehicles.

As long as the person has the choice to buy it, why would the courts need to get involved at all? No one has said you must buy these plates. I think the reason why is to not only control free speech, but to keep people from showing they support life and not infanticide. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves. Here is something about the pretender Obama bin Laden and his wanting infanticide to increase across this nation.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/12/11/pro-life-group-democrats-killing-filibuster-would-advance-abortion/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

“Those who are not ruled by God, will be ruled by tyrants.”

William Penn

Robert please tell us how it is a choice to murder a baby????? There are laws against murder are they not. The bogus law to kill a baby should be overturned. Most libtards vehemently want the right to kill babies that is the bottom line get honest! They will have to answer to God someday for the millions and millions of babies killed and mostly for birth control!! Save a snail kill a human baby has the world gone insane!!!

I have a prophecy for you Robert. The day will come when your soul will be required to exit the mortal body you now reside in. Unless the GOD (that you renounce,) changes your way of seeing things, you will exit this world in absolute terror. There is nothing so fearful as no hope at all. May GOD have mercy on your soul.

Yup, the usual “god” arguments against abortion.

Apparently they have forgotten that this is America where not everyone follows their brutal god.

BTW, I reject your efforts to change me or my religion. If you continue I’ll consider it to be spiritual rape.

Rob

Jack,
While many of us are debating what point after fertilization a fetus becomes a baby, you seem to have suggested that the egg it’s self is a human life. Please explain to me how you justify the difference between man causing the egg to leave a woman’s body before reaching fertilization and God’s natural method of the same that occurs every month?

Oh, who am I kidding. I have long held that those who believe that fertilization is the beginning of life must fight Abortion on principle, and those who believe that life begins in the last trimester or at birth must fight for choice. But those of you who now want to argue that every egg and every sperm hold the spark of life and must therefore be protected by law are just so out there beyond reason that you must really consider finding another country that shares your views, or perhaps an Island where you can begin your own government. The idea that you should be able to set law for the rest of us is just too absurd to imagine.

For heaven’s sake, Robert. “Spiritual rape”? You sound like a prissy, namby-pamby, insecure, frightened, oh-so-sensitive and easily-offended homo-/metro-sexual empty shirt.

You and your ilk are on notice: This PC idiocy is no longer going to fly. It’s a ruse you people use to club the sane, to produce cognitive dissonance.

Grow a pair and stop aiding and abetting the enemies of freedom. You have been trained to obfuscate common sense in order to advance a hideous cause, for which you are paid.

It’s all coming out now, about who you trolls are, your tactics, and what your ends are.

It’s over, Rob (or smiley, or mark…or whichever name you use on any given post).

It’s true, people. These trolls are paid by guv factions to disrupt, and to collect identities of conservative bloggers for investigation.

I say that we just let them have it. Don’t hold back. They’ve already betrayed their countrymen. Their treason will not go unnoticed in the coming days.

Kinetic1 says, “I have long held that those who believe that fertilization is the beginning of life must fight Abortion on principle, and those who believe that life begins in the last trimester or at birth must fight for choice.”

What you have “long held” is not scientifically sustainable.

Life does not begin at fertilization. Life, and in this instance, human life, began either thousands or millions of years ago, depending on your religious predilections.

Human life has CONTINUED in that long thread, and fertilization represents merely a stage of that continuation. Babies are not created from inanimate matter, they occur via the joining of a LIVING sperm cell and a LIVING egg.

I think Jefferson would have blanched if he had been forced to qualify his statement of Natural Law to read “Life after the second trimester, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Kinetic says, “Please explain to me how you justify the difference between man causing the egg to leave a woman’s body before reaching fertilization and God’s natural method of the same that occurs every month?”

I will counter that with “Please explain to me how you justify the difference between man causing the death of a human being before reaching normal life span and God’s natural method of the same that occurs every day?”

Vigilant – Since a big goal of communism and other controlling isms is to have power over life and death, they must first make killing justifiable and even acceptable to those over whom they seek control.

They’ve done a find job, too, especially with liberals. It’s just no big deal.

In China, killing is no big deal. People are randomly killed every day and no one bats an eye. We’ve allowed ourselves to become nothing more than farm animals, subject to the life altering decisions of the ruling elite “farmers”. We follow the rules they’ve laid out for us from the moment of conception, as if it made any sense whatsoever.

We must extract ourselves from the farm… declare ourselves free… and then dispense with the system. We have been socially engineered to be geared to our own demise…

There is no better (or perhaps, other) way to regain our dignity as conscious beings than to honor Life in all forms, in all ways… and vow to do no harm, ever…

Jack Sprate says:
“Robert please tell us how it is a choice to murder a baby?????”

Of course it is the woman’s choice to murder her child. The REAL question of choice is with the baby. Where do liberals EVER consider the babies CHOICE? This proves the lie of Pro-Choice.

(Happy Robert? No “brutal god” religious argument to support life.)

Robert Smith says:
“Please keep in mind that nobody is actually “pro-abortion.” ”

Planned Parenthood. Much money in the baby-killing mills
http://concord-nh.patch.com/articles/abortion-is-planned-parenthoods-business-model

Robert Smith says:
“Please keep in mind that nobody is actually “pro-abortion.” ”

If that is true then why are there so many abortions? If no one was actually “pro abortion” then there would be very very few of them and those would be strictly for medical reason not the convience of the person having one.

Kate8 proclaims: “We must extract ourselves from the farm… declare ourselves free… and then dispense with the system. We have been socially engineered to be geared to our own demise…”

Let’s see… Who is your Sheppard? OhI OH! I remember: “Psalm 23 KJV – The LORD is my shepherd;…”

Yup, the flock generally gets sheered or eaten.

Maybe there is hope you will see the light of freedom and free yourself from that there brutal god that flooded the world, killed a couple of cities, and sent his kid to die from torture. Yup, sure seems brutal to me.

Rob

Malign your opponent by assigning beliefs and then discrediting them…; ridicule the basis of your opponent’s assertions…; twist, contort, and evade the real issue in favor of emotionally charged (and faulty) reasoning…

It’s a no-go, Robert.

I see Smith is back with his usual brutal God comments.
And then there’s this:”BTW, I reject your efforts to change me or my religion. If you continue I’ll consider it to be spiritual rape.” Do you even have a religion Smith?

Awwwwwwwwww kate8… There you go again: “It’s over, Rob (or smiley, or mark…or whichever name you use on any given post).”

It seems you just can’t see to accept the fact that I am one individual. There is only one “Rob” (Robert Smith) posting on this forum. I am posting as no others.

Please note that Bob Livingston has information relating to e-mail addresses and ISP information that he has used to accuse others of being multiple personalities around here.

I’ll freely admit that I use more than one computer to post. My home computer, a laptop, and sometimes another computer.

I find it sad that Mr. Livingston will use the information to confirm that several names may have the same ISP (actually it’s easy to explain such that Sook Young and Samurai may be posting from the same computer because they are allegedly husband and wife) but I don’t have the same information to prove that I am but one poster on this forum. He has not used that information to confirm that myself (apparently from the left even though I don’t like gun control) am posting as “Rob” and no others. .

So, your accusation can go down as another lie. I’ve explained this before.

Why do you insist on attacking me rather than the issues I raise? Typical right wing tactic.

Rob

Dear Robert Smith,

You write: “I find it sad that Mr. Livingston will use the information to confirm that several names may have the same ISP (actually it’s easy to explain such that Sook Young and Samurai may be posting from the same computer because they are allegedly husband and wife) but I don’t have the same information to prove that I am but one poster on this forum. He has not used that information to confirm that myself (apparently from the left even though I don’t like gun control) am posting as “Rob” and no others.” If it will appease you, I will confirm that you have posted only as Robert Smith.

Best wishes,
Bob

momo asks: “Do you even have a religion Smith?”

Yes.

It’s personal, which is allowed in America. I don’t consider religion relevant to freedom in America, except when it is trying to oppress other Americans.

I do not discuss it on forums like this.

The first reason is because folks will reject it because I’m the one posting.

The second reason is because folks will accept it because I’m posting.

Folks need to make their own decisions about religion from information they dig up, NOT from opinions expressed in discussion forums.

Rob

Dear Robert Smith,

You write: “I do not discuss it on forums like this.” No. You confine your “religious discussions” to blasphemy and ad hominems against Christians. It’s unappreciated by me as well as boorish and offensive and tiresome and predictable and, quite frankly, has reached a point to where I have considered on several occasions blacklisting you because of it.

Best wishes,
Bob

From Mowhatever: “I see Smith is back with his usual brutal God comments.”

What do you call a god who kills a couple of cities, sets his own son up to be tortured to death, impregnantes a virgin, floods the word and kills everyone except Noah and his family?

Then he says to his followers something like, “Follow me, and nobody else, or remain in a burning hell forever, but I love you.”

Yup, seems kinda brutal to me.

Rob

Robert: BTW, I reject your efforts to change me or my religion. If you continue I’ll consider it to be spiritual rape.

ROFLMAO!!!

Here Rob menmtions Sook Young and I, but seems to forget that there is only 1 computer in our house. Ergo, we use the same computer. Next, we should all pray for poor Rob. I teel you Rob that if you don’t wise up about God and Jesus, you will burn in the lake of fire for all eternity. Here are some things that Rob should know:

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/12/11/planned-parenthood-botches-tubal-woman-injured-becomes-pregnant/
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/12/11/who-using-backdoor-methods-to-push-abortion-at-the-un/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Rob out.

“Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged.”

The Northwest Ordinance
April 07, 1789
Article 3

Signed by George Washington

Rob ( what a fitting name for a Progressive ), I am opposed to the murder of any human, yes I am a vegetarian, except in cases where there are circumstances that merit the fetus must go to protect the life of the mother, in cases of rape and other sound reasons; but in yours and your liberal pals cases I would have encouraged your mothers to have “chosen” not to have you.

POPPYCOCK

Opal asks: “If that is true then why are there so many abortions? ”

Or amputations, or appendectomies, or gall bladder removals, or bladder removal…

People want them because they need them to keep their lives on track. Who are YOU to decide what path another should follow?

Rob

Though it is true that God gave us free will, but it is not the way you describe it. Free will comes from the doctrine of free will and freedom to choose. This means do you choose to believe in God and to obey His will, yes or no. Not the ignorant rantings that you put on this thread. I’ve seen Bob Livingston’s responses to you, but yet you do not answer them. Why is that? Cat got your tongue? I hope that he does decide to blacklist you, though it wouldn’t be a proper punishment for one who follows the beliefs of a heretic, is an apostate Christian, and would just stand idly by while children are killed just because the woman doesn’t want to take responsibility for something she has done. You are a coward, traitor, and fool. When you stand before God to be judged and He asks you about these things you say, what would you tell Him? This will be right before your soul is cast into the lake of fire for eternal torment. Sook Young and I will pray for you. Another thing, stop with your nonsense about it being the American way. How is this the American way when we were founded a Christian nation? You lib/progtards are traitors to this country and to everything which it stands for. You say you served in Vietnam, but you tarnish any honor you earned by this constant bashing of God, Jesus, the Bible, Christianity, and anything moral and ethical. You attack the unborn, though you, yourself, admitted in a prior thread to supporting your ex-wife’s wishes to abort your own child. Why? Didn’t want to pay child support or take your responsibilities as a man must do? 5th columners like rights. 5th columners are all about love. They love poor people as long as they stay poor. They love choice as long as it is not in education, energy, healthcare, or commerce. They love rights as long as we are not talking about the rights of the unborn. They love minorities as long as they stay on the libtard/progtard plantation.
Here is something from the eugenics group, unplanned parenthood, that you, and your acorns, support:

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/12/11/planned-parenthood-your-voice-counts-unless-youre-a-baby/

Just like you and your satanic ilk. You and yours are the enemy within our great nation. Time for a purging of our society, a legal one, that is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

“The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superceded by no power on earth.”

George Mason
Called “the father” of the Bill of Rights.

Well said Johnson and I agree 100% it is a hypocritical double standard out there for sure!

eJohnson,
Oh pleeeeese, save the martyrdom. Go ahead, Google “business banned from displaying nativity scene” and see how many hits you get. Yes, as our population has become more diverse the issue of religious displays on government property has become more divisive, but no one is denying your right to display a creche in your shop window.

So let’s get back to the real story here. Some citizens of North Carolina want to display their “Pro Life” beliefs on the back of their cars. Bumper stickers are no longer enough, so they want a license plate that makes the point. Those who believe in “Choice” argue that producing a plate for one and not the other is in essence promoting one side over the other. Since the issue is one based in religious beliefs and the Government is prohibited from promoting any one religion, they have no choice but to make both or none available. Now tell me, how is that denying you rights?

“No, seriously,it is almost to the point Christians and Conseratives have NO CHOICES” Really? Right wing hatred is spewed out daily on most of the AM talk stations in this country. One station in our area even promotes Mark Levin and Michael Savage as their idea of “road rage”! FOX News devotes hours and hours to phony stories about the “war on Christmas”. New laws are being passed to protect your “right” to carry a concealed weapon into work, or church, or even a BAR! Now THERE’S a GREAT idea! How could anything go wrong in a room filled with people carrying loaded guns and drinking? Even the craziest of you who want to protest homosexuality at our fallen soldier’s funerals have had their right protected by our courts! And you want to argue that you have no choices?!? You can paint your stand against abortion over every inch of your car if you want. No one is stopping you. All they are saying is that you can’t buy a license plate promoting your beliefs unless the Pro Choice side has the same option.

e johnson – Well said, regardless of protests from the troll section.

BTW, it is already in the works to MANDATE abortion when the guv so decides. This was inevitable, as that is how unpopular things are done. First they are “voluntary” (taxes?), and then, when enough people accept them, they become “mandatory”.

The important question to ask the “pro-choice” crowd is

If you are REALLY pro choice then why do you never consider the CHILD’s choice?

The answers are entertaining.

“Since the issue is one based in religious beliefs and the Government is prohibited from promoting any one religion, they have no choice but to make both or none available.”

this is a STATE issue and never should have been accepted by a federal court. When the feds pay for my license plate then they can tell me what to put on it otherwise they have NO say.

Vicki – It is my belief that the spirit that does not come into the physical world due to abortion can still elect to come into another body if it so wishes. Death is only an end to the physical; spirit lives forever and can keep returning via different “vehicles.”

Kate8 claims: “BTW, it is already in the works to MANDATE abortion when the guv so decides. ”

Really? And the details are?

Your claim, you prove it.

Rob

Vicki asks: “If you are REALLY pro choice then why do you never consider the CHILD’s choice?”

Because not everyone is goosestepping with you and believes it is a “child.”

I’ll presume for the sake of this argument that what’s inside any woman is a sentient being. I don’t believe that because early in pregnancy there aren’t even two brain cells to rub together so your “argument” that it’s able to talk doesn’t hold any water. Anyhow…

Suppose you invited a sentient being into your home for a party. The night winds down and folks start go to home, but one decides that your home is a nice place and declares that he is going to stay there and YOU must supply all of his needs, including food, water, shelter, etc. He declared that he will remain with you for nine months, and by YOUR rules, because you asked him, he can stay there.

How long would it be before you called a cop to remove him from your home? Would it be your right to shoot him if he continues trespassing and eating your food?

Now, plant that “person” in your tummy. Do you really want to support that freeloader? Some say yes, some say no. That’s why CHOICE is important.

Rob

Vicki,
“If you are REALLY pro choice then why do you never consider the CHILD’s choice?”
This is the sort of mean spirited, narrow minded comment that makes people question the “Pro-Life” crowd. Who says that we on the “Pro-Choice” side never consider the “choice” of the child/fetus? Ann Coulter is wrong. As has been stated numerous times, we do not worship at the alter of Abortion. No one I know WANTS an abortion just for the sake of having one. The decision is often a long, hard look at what might lay in store for both mother and child. Adoption is often a consideration, though it’s not as easy and concrete as many “Pro-Lifers” suggest.

If you are truly looking for those who choose abortion as a tool of convenience, look no further than the Catholic Church. A study of teen age Catholics who had one or more abortions found that their beliefs drove them to abortions. They reasoned that, if contraception is a sin and abortion is a sin, then getting an abortion once a year was better than taking the pill every day. Twisted teen-age logic, but the church doesn’t help. Consider this from the Catholic News Agency,
“While some forms of contraception, such as the condom or the diaphragm, are not themselves capable of destroying human life, (as are many chemical contraceptives, including forms of the Pill, the patch, and IUDs) they are a kind of “gateway drug” into the abortion mentality.”
So now those of us who do not wish to get pregnant, even those of us who are married are risking an “abortion mentality” if we choose contraception? Even “Pro-Life” people are apparently risking having an abortion by engaging in the “Gateway drug” of sex with contraception! And you wonder why we don’t want you making laws for the rest of us to follow?

Once again, the Left works to evade the real issue.

Firstly, what anyone BELIEVES about the beginning of life is wholly irrelevant. Belief is not truth, and is used only as an attempt to justify for one’s convenience. None of us ACTUALLY KNOWS when “spirit” enters the body, but it’s obvious that there is LIFE, or the child would not continue to develop.

It is altogether possible that the spirit is contained within life itself, and is inseparable…

Secondly, and the REAL ISSUE, is that government HAS NO PLACE MAKING THESE DETERMINATIONS. These are personal decisions, and the ramifications which are visited upon those who make them are personal, as well. If a woman so chooses to take the life of her offspring prior to birth, she will bear the consequence of that choice.

Government ONLY inserts itself in such issues for the purpose of gaining more control, as they have. They now openly PROMOTE abortion as a viable means of population control, and are attempting to mandate abortion. (Robert, do a search on government to mandate abortion. You will pull up links. I will not do this for you.)

Let each woman make this decision for herself, and allow practitioners to choose whether to perform them. The fact that fetal parts and tissue has become a HUGE market speaks to more diabolical implications of this whole horrific matter.

Take government out of it altogether.

Kate – Agreed.

Posted: “government has/is supporting,giving our tax dollars,so women can get a free abortion,we as christians ”

So??????? Being “christian” has no input on the matter.

For example, I object to the Bush wars. But my tax $$$ went to them.

This is America where your religious “beliefs” are NOT universally shared.

Why should yours be supperior to thers?

Rob

Well said e Johnson fellow patriot. They have to understand that this country was founded on the God given right of freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Here is something that will back up what e Johnson has said:

http://www.radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/navy-cancells-nativity-over-atheist-complaint.html

I see that Rob and Khenetic are back with their nonsense and Christian bashing. I see that you 2 do not know the true meaning of Christmas. But alas! You 2 really know nothing at all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves Rob and Khenetic out.

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

Ronald Reagan

sam1966,
“I see that Rob and Khenetic are back with their nonsense and Christian bashing.” Christian bashing? What did I say that constitutes “Christian bashing”?

Proclaimed: “,we as christians ”

Not all “christians” are opposed to abortion outside their individual flock.

Check out: http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/

You can oblige folks to anything you want to be a MEMBER of your flock. However when you swing your arms and punch another outside your flock here in Amrica we can stop that.

It’s called freedom. A concept you obviously don’t understand for women.

Rob

Wrong, wrong, wrong Rob. Though we do have freedom in this country, but we were not founded on the notion of “we can do anything we want” nonsense. We were founded on the liberty that God gave us, God given rights, and everything written in the Constitution, minus the Amendments, is taken directly from the Old Testiment. James Madison got his inspiration for our 3 branches of government from Isaiah 33:22. Here is something for you to read. But alas! Rob does not possess the mental faculties to understand what he is reading.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/12/10/forced-abortions-a-small-price-to-pay-for-abortion-on-demand/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His apostles. This is genuine Christianity and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.”

Noah Webster
History of the United States, page 300.

Since DOW Chemical has a plant in Charlotte then should all employees be required to have WILL KILL HUMANS NC on thieir license plates . Remember Bhopal and Vietnam? Maybe Massey Coal should have Profits First Workers Second on company plates. Maybe the Koch Brothers who are the biggest polluters in the USA could have WILL POLLUTE FOR PROFIT. Oh yes why don’t we all tell it like it is and make this one big fun day!

“It would be a big help as to which people to target as the enemy!”

More violence advocated by a right winger.

Rob

Wrong, wrong, wrong Rob. Look at all the violence that was started or incited by Obama bin Laden, but he’s a progtard. Here is something about Obama bin Laden being ineligible and a danger to this country:

http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/8491/will-alabama-supreme-court-rule-obama-ineligible/

They also have one pending in Florida also. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out Rob.

“I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”

John McCain