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No Room For Conservatives In The GOP

December 10, 2012 by  

No Room For Conservatives In The GOP
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The Republican Party is no place for conservatives.

Conservatives reject statism, embrace small government and abhor confiscatory taxes. Conservatives believe in a strong military for the Nation’s defense (not military adventurism). Conservatives advocate liberty and personal responsibility.

The Republican Party is now ruled by CINOs (conservatives in name only). I have been telling you this for a long time. The recent Republican primary, in which a gun-grabbing, pro-abortion Northeastern liberal progressive was promoted and depicted to voters as a conservative, should have laid bare the party’s true nature for all to see.

It was a slap in the face to Tea Partiers (those not hijacked by the GOP and their corporatist masters) who battled against Obamacare and went to the polls in droves in 2010 to give the Republicans the House of Representatives, unseating several CINOs along the way.

In order to ensure their chosen liberal progressive candidate was the standard bearer for the Republican party, GOP elites and a complicit whore media propped up the candidacies of faux conservatives Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich while preaching the inevitability of a Mitt Romney candidacy.

GOP insiders engaged in fraud, dirty tricks and outright assault (and these are only the tip of the dirty tricks iceberg) in order defeat the only true conservative in the race: Ron Paul.

Paul was too conservative for the GOP. It’s customary for the primary winner to grant a speaking slot at the convention to the second place finisher, as John McCain did for Romney in 2008. But rather than embrace Paul and his liberty army, the GOP pushed them off the floor and broke its own rules in ignoring their attempts to force a floor fight over rule changes that will make it even more difficult for the non-chosen candidate to make headway in future primaries.

Paul was denied a convention speaking slot. Paul and his supporters were disrespected, harassed and abused.

The GOP and its compliant whore media — especially FOX News — spent the next several weeks alternately wooing Paul supporters for their votes and denigrating them as “ensuring the election of Barack Obama” if they didn’t abandon their principles and toe the party line.

There are some 5 million liberty voters and many millions more true conservative voters. They didn’t for a minute buy the lie that Romney was conservative. Some, though, held their collective noses and voted for Romney (or against Obama) anyway. But many didn’t.

Fewer Republican voters cast ballots for Romney than they did for the statist neocon who preceded him, McCain. Many of those who did abandoned their conservative principles to do so. They were blinded by their “hatred” of Obama and his progressive/Marxist policies — so blinded, in fact, that they failed to recognize that the guy they were supporting held many of the same beliefs, as do many of Republican Congressional members who today masquerade as conservatives.

In doing that they have emboldened party elites to push the party further to the left. Listen to their words. They say – falsely — that the party lost because it had become too white, that it didn’t embrace multiculturalism, didn’t cater to minorities, didn’t advocate for amnesty for illegals. In other words: Romney lost because he didn’t sound enough like the Democrats. So the answer for the party’s electoral woes, according to the elites, is to become Democratic Party light.

It is evidenced by Weeper of the House John Boehner’s sellout to Obama on the issue of tax increases and miniscule spending cuts in the fiscal cliff negotiations. Weeper Boehner’s counterproposal to Obama’s request for $1.6 trillion in tax increases, additional stimulus spending and the power to circumvent Congress on the debt ceiling was to embrace Obama’s previous $800 billion tax increase offer. Surrender is his idea of compromise.

Already a fascist party (as evidenced by its embrace of George W. Bush’s “compassionate conservatism,” bailouts, big government and unlimited wars), GOP insiders are now culling the party of the few conservatives that are left. Last week, the Big Weeper initiated a purge of Republicans who opposed the budget proposed by Budget Chairman Paul Ryan earlier this year because it didn’t cut spending fast enough. The purge drove Justin Amash of Michigan, Tim Huelskamp of Kansas, David Schweikert of Arizona and Walter Jones of North Carolina from their committee assignments.

A source told Roll Call that Schweikert was told he was ousted because his “votes were not in lockstep with leadership.”

The Senate’s most conservative member, Jim DeMint, resigned last week to take the reins at the Heritage Foundation. Heritage is a “conservative” think tank (that supports U.S. military adventurism in the name of the War on Terror). DeMint said he believes he can have more influence spreading a conservative message from outside the Senate.

I wrote in the second paragraph the main tenants of conservativism. These things are now anathema to Republican Party elites, who embrace militarism rather than defense, bow to Israel and Saudi Arabia when it comes to foreign policy, and pass laws that destroy liberty and promote the police state.

That is why Tea Party favorites like Allen West were defeated and others like Michelle Bachmann struggled to hold their seats. They — and most others — voted for an extension of the USA Patriot Act and for the National Defense Authorization Act, which suspends habeas corpus and subjects all Americans to indefinite detention without trial. They and most of the rest of the Republicans in Congress are anti-liberty. It’s not that they were too conservative. It’s that their actions outed them as CINOs.

Militarism and a growing police state are not the things Tea Partiers thought they were voting for in 2010. Nor were they voting for Weeper Boehner and a “conservative” Congress to surrender on tax increases.

But bigger government, militarism, reduced liberty and tax increases are what the Republicans stand for. And despite the party’s brand (the small government, low taxes, pro-liberty party), it has been that way since its beginnings out of the ruins of the Whig Party.

Some Republicans are calling for Weeper Boehner’s ouster as head party Weeper in the Congress. That is a fool’s errand. Any replacement will only be more of the same.

It’s past time for conservative voters to stick to their principles and abandon the Republican Party. It’s past time for true conservatives to realize the Republican Party is the CINO party.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Dean bartlett

    The Libertarian party is not the answer I am a registered Independent and the party of Ron Paul turned me off from the start while Ron Paul had some good ideas he is not a strict constitutionalist and his rabid followers are just as acidic as the progressives.
    Now that said so me A viable alternative to the Republican party and I will support it.

  • James Maxwell

    When you look at the GOP and its leaders over the past 12 years you can see that they have turned their backs upon conservatives. That was one of the reasons that the TEA Party came into existance. We have see the so called leadership of the GOP moving more and more to the left in their thinking and when you look as the candidates they have
    put forth the represent the Conservatives and Christians in the party they have been saddly lacking. Of the last two presidential candidates John McCain was a warrior in Viet Nam who was a POW for a long time and I respect him for that. I was in Nam when he was
    shot down and heard the tapes. Romney is a good business man but neither either knew or care about connectign with Conservative members of the party or putting forth a real
    effort to take the White House. We have had two really good VP candidates but they
    wer stiffled by the party especially when they started to get traction with the voters. It seems as thou they were handcuffed and not allowed to campaing to win the race but
    were stymed at ever turn by the party. We have two years to prepare for the next
    race in 2014 and will have to work long and hard to recover from the total lack of
    response by the partyleaders. The TEA party will have to step up and replace these
    obsolete and out of touch so called “leaders” that have failed Americans miserably.

    • edrankin

      as boehnersrecent purge demonstrates, the GOP will ostracize any tea party members who reach congress.

  • boyscout

    About 20 years ago when I noticed how often I had been splitting my tickets or simply voting third party I re-registered independent. Looking at the present scheme with the wolves on one side of the aisle dressed in white sheep regalia and those on the other side dressed as black sheep, I must ask to what purpose am I ticket splitting? As it seems that the whole electoral process has gone to the canines (completely over, with the only responsible candidate black balled), I now wonder if freedom in this country is actually saveable.

  • Wayne

    Yeap the RINO’s CINO are alive and well this last election prove it . Romney caved in and cut a deal long ago. This election was full of corruption and misleading poll numbers plus you had some of your own Wayne Allen Root stating that Romney wining in a land slide yea right. He Rove, Morris and sadly Michael Baron all got it wrong Mr Root based his misstep on some study down in Colorado, Rove & Morris both proved they are not worth the big money people were paying them to make these outlandish predictions. We the voters demand a refund for the time we wasted listening to them. Next Romney knew from the get go he was not going to win. We kept hearing how successful he was and how rich he was Ok. Then why did the GOP & RNC keep asking me for money hummm? If he wanted the job so bad let him spend his own money I will keep mine for other things like Food and Gas. After 31 plus yrs of being a Republican I am in the process of removing my name from their lists and will reregister for the next elections. I and many of us are sick and tired of the Blue blood country club deal cutters telling us who we need to support.

  • Cliffystones

    I’m changing my affiliation from Republican to Libertarian. The label “independent” I feel has been tarnished in the last election cycle. I’m reminded of people who can’t make up their minds, even at the last minute. People who will be too busy watching Monday Night football and Jersey Shore when the jackboots kick in their door. People who respond “not sure” when asked if murder and child molestation should be legalized. The same door knobs who vote “present”. You get the idea.

  • Glen

    I believe one important difference between the Libertarian Party and the Conservative Party is a focus on God-based standards. We believe that marriage is between one man and one woman. We also oppose obortion. Below are the Basic Tenets of the Conservative Party. You SHOULD leave the Republican Party and consider the Conservative Party at http://conservativepartyusa.org/home/

    1. Principal of Subsidiarity – Government works best at the local level. The closer the control of government is to the people, the more interest citizens hold in political proceedings and operations.

    2. American Exceptionalism: Conservatives believe that America is a country of a distinguished founding, historical experiences and a unique path to the future. We do not take lightly these characteristics. Thus, we do not believe that American institutions should be imposed upon nations of dissimilar origins and experiences.

    3. Government cannot legislate a perfect life for its citizens. Government’s role is to make life tolerable and to allow citizens to achieve their best. Legislation has limited ability to change our true social condition. Politicians have unethically preached to the public they have a right to steady economic betterment.

    4. Citizens have a contract with the past, the present and the future to:
    a. Preserve the best of our ancestors and change only that which leads to a
    better civil and social existence.
    b. Voluntarily assist those less prosperous.
    c. Conserve natural resources for our posterity

    5. Government should not “do.” Government must have limited intrusion in the marketplace. Government actions should pertain to fair and just competition.

    6. The Federal government has reduced the citizens responsibility in life by overextending its participation in education, economics, food and housing. Americans should be active citizens, not subjects.

    7. Taxation, a free grant from the citizen to the government, has become extortion and the two national parties have used taxation as a means to create division among the citizens of the United States. Government re-distribution of wealth creates a covetous nature in the recipients. Spending of citizens ethically and legally earned money and consuming our posterities resources are not signs of a virtuous political organization.

    8. Conservatism has been mistakenly defined as a philosophy of avarice and consumerism. Nothing could be further from the truth, as conservatives believe that success is to be shared in a voluntary manner with poor and less fortunate. The primary benefits of charity is ascribed to the voluntary donor and the recipients of material goods from a central authority show no gratitude.

    9. Those who believe that redistribution of wealth is an entitlement will themselves cause detriment to their posterity due to a lack of restraint much like consumerists believe our natural resources are purely for present consumption.

    • Robespierre

      I must say that your post is refreshing as in a breath of fresh air, however I do not have any illusions that our uneducated majority will embrace your ideas given that they will need to do something.

      • Steve E

        Yes, the uneducated are the ones that are taking this country down.

      • Daveh234

        So you guys think they shouldn’t be allowed to vote?
        American citizens?
        What do you call that kind of government?
        Not “We The People”.

      • DaveH

        Nobody should be allowed to vote to spend Other Peoples’ Money.

    • Robert Smith

      “3. Government cannot legislate a perfect life for its citizens. Government’s role is to make life tolerable and to allow citizens to achieve their best.”

      ROFL… Yet you will use the government to deny marriage to consenting adults if they don’t obey your god’s rules.

      And you won’t allow a woman to make her own reproductive decisions while you figuratively stick your collective noses between her legs.

      You are either IN the lives of Americans, or you are out.

      No amount of jabbering will fix that contradiction.

      And that double standard is what Americans see about the extreme religious right and don’t want to vote for.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        This coming from a Liberal Progressive whose sole concept of choice is whether a woman can or can’t abort her unborn baby.
        How do you rationalize those inconsistencies of yours, Robert?
        You disdain Slavery, but enslave others.
        You advocate Choice, but deprive others of their choices.
        You disdain personal theft, but vote to steal the money of others.

        Robert, you are just a typical example of a colossal Liberal Progressive Hypocrite.

      • Bob666

        “Robert, you are just a typical example of a colossal Liberal Progressive Hypocrite”.

        Dave,
        Have you had a good dump lately ? you are clearly reading things into the statements that other are making based on your own perceptions of others. You need to find Jesus or Allah, get laid or take a laxative because you are working yourself up something fierce.

      • DaveH

        Another Liberal Progressive joins the fray.
        Thank you, Bob.
        It’s beginning to appear that all you guys have are manipulative tactics. Maybe if you spent some time reading and thinking you could present some factual and logical arguments. But then, if you did that you would have no reason to be Liberal Progressives.

      • Bob666

        Well Dave,
        after three hours of Masterdebating, you must be plum worn out. Did you google the second amendment yet?

  • Joe

    This quote came from the Czech Republic and was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper, Prager Zeitungon.

    The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those that made him their prince!

    • Steve E

      At least the Czechs know what’s going on. They probably saw and remember when they were under communism in the past. And they didn’t forget.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Thanks for the quote. I really learned a lot from it. Mainly that the Czechs apparently have their own wing nuts that write mindless articles that are perfect for copying and quoting by the folks in this country that are always looking for EVIDENCE to support their own brand of mindlessness.

      • Paul Wells

        Of course anyone who doesn’t see things from your leftist view point is a “wing nut” and couldn’t possibly be right. Nice diversity, good open mindedness for differing opinions….NOT!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Paul,

        You may not have seen any of my posts on other threads where I said people should stop calling me a socialist-marxist-leftist-communist because I was none of those things. I described myself to them as someone who used to be a “progressive moderate Republican” who contributed triple digit $$$ to the McCain campaign early in 2008. McCain’s choice of Palin as veep was a signal to me that the GOP was “going crazy” and everything that has happened since has just convinced me more and more of that “truth”. I have actually stood still in the right middle as the GOP has run screaming past me into wing nut land. I HAVE moved a bit more left as the wing nuts have taken control of the GOP, as anyone with a truly “conservative” wish to save the country has done—and that’s what the voters are doing, in spite of the wishful thinking on the right.

        Of course, anyone who doesn’t see things from your rightist view point is not entitled to their opinion and couldn’t possibly be right anyway. My opinions are based on rational analysis of facts—-that’s one definition of “open-mindedness”. My analysis of your comment here is that you have little tolerance for “differing opinions”. Prove me wrong by arguing against my my “message” rather than attacking the “messenger”.

        And an opinion article written by a Czech and printed in a Czech newspaper (and had to be TRANSLATED) somehow has relevance to American politics? I’ll say it again—–”only for copying and quoting by the folks in this country that are always looking for EVIDENCE to support their own brand of mindlessness”. Are you mindless? If so, I can probably dig up a quote from some right wing nut Eskimo with an opinion on what the Samoans should do with their palm trees so you can copy that out to us as if it meant something……NOT!!!!!

      • Rocketman

        Right Brain Thinker: In the interest of honesty in labeling, you should change your name to “No Brain Thinker”

    • Jibbs
  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    choice [sorry]

    • eddie47d

      All politicians lie and tell tall tales to get elected and Allan West was no exception. He supported the War On Terror which has been mostly smoke and mirrors for the Military Industrial Complex. He supported our military adventurism and quick trigger policies which keeps us embedded in foreign entanglements. He is no friend of civil liberties anymore than some Democrats or Republicans by widely endorsing the Patriot Act and NDAA. His “convictions” allowed our local communities to be militarized in thought and in action. (SWAT teams for one ).

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    Allen West was defeated by liberalism and millions of hate ads ;; he was the right choise;; but liberalism/hate ruled the day;; it will not stand, I am going to give it my all to take down the scum…..

    • Daveh234

      Allen West is a throwback to McCarthyism. Communists are running rampant…the sky is falling…who needs an idiot like that in government?
      Not this country.

      • Craig Wettstein

        U ignorant —, McCarthy was right!!!

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Daveh234,

        You write: “Allen West is a throwback to McCarthyism. Communists are running rampant…” McCarthy was correct. You must be a communist.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Warrior
      • Right Brain Thinker

        Craig and Bob are correct. Anyone who thinks rather than blindly follows the dogma of the right is a communist! And all those communists are voting for a communist-socialist-Marxist government. The country is doomed!

      • barry

        Yes, McCarthy was correct & has been proven so at the time the Soviet files were opened.
        He was brought down, his message ignored, and now we have an Alinskyite Communist in the White House & a Congress which is implementing the Communist Manifesto.

        Thanks for agreat article, Mr. Livingston. You are a wise man.

      • DaveH

        Lizard Brain Thinker delivers his usual nonsensical comment.

      • Vicki

        DaveH yes RBT is speaking oddly but happened to hit upon something when he said
        “…all those communists are voting for a communist-socialist-Marxist government. The country is doomed!”…

        All those communists really are voting for a communist-socialist-Marxist government and if not stopped will doom this country. So in trying to use argument to ridicule he accidentally spoke truthfully.

  • Bob666

    Bob,
    I have to tell you that I have read this and as usual, I’m laughing my A*s off. What a bubble you live in! The GOP has only carried the popular vote in one out of the last six presidential elections because the party was hijacked by the extreme right. Those of us in main stream America don’t buy into the Tea Party and that does not mean that we are not patriots, it means that we respect the concept of democracy.

    “W” was a bumbling idiot and McCain is a good man who picked a pin headed bimbo with intellectual capacity of a cumquat as VP to appease a small but vocal group of extreme nut cases who want a world that looks just like they envision. The problem with that is; the majority don’t buy into that vision and in a democracy-you lose.

    If the GOP wants to survive, they need to shed off the pro-life, religious right and get back to the constitution. That is government of ALL people by ALL people for ALL people, not just old white people who go to a Christian church. If the GOP wants to survive, they will need to embrace ALL faiths and that includes those of NO faith and Islam.

    There are many of us who dwell in the middle who vote for the best qualified person without regard to the party they belong to. We tend to pursue true liberty and don’t believe that we have the right to tell your wife or daughter what choices they can make regarding their reproductive rights. And I guarantee you that we tend to be proponents of small and very limited government that have very limited rights to our wallets.

    You need to come out of the bubble and see the real world before you become extinct.

    • Warrior

      Boy oh boy bobbo, you are one conflicted individual! 666?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And you are a perfect example of NOT being “conflicted”, Warrior—–you’ve got the answers and NOBODY is going to get you to listen to anything that you KNOW is wrong. How comfortable that must be.

      • Steve E

        Bob’s article is referring to people like Bob666 who just made that clear. Being in the middle is the same as being between good and bad with no conviction.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Steve E says: “Being in the middle is the same as being between good and bad with no conviction”.

        Steve, looks like you missed the point. Bob is saying that he has enough conviction that he will sit in the middle and try to make good choices between good and bad, as have those folks who have swung the last two presidential elections to the Dems. Those who blindly adhere to dogma and think that pulling the GOP further to the right will learn that they will LOSE even more people in the middle if they don’t look to the middle. They may make more hits in the circular firing squad parties but they won’t win elections doing that.

      • Bob666

        Wow,
        Most of you must have read this before medication time. First, I don’t feel the least bit conflicted, I deal in the real world. Also, I use the 666 and an ectogram. I am amused by the number of people who read something into it and I have to believe that it is driven by fear. Finally, the world is many shades of grey, not Black or White, Right or Wrong, Good or Bad, it’s Grey!

        Our founding fathers desired a government that respected and promoted religious freedom without a state sponsored religion. I would reinforce this by observing the sheer number of various forms of the protestant church and even in every group, there are both conservative and liberal groups of each.

        As far as abortion goes, I personally believe it to be the very last choice that a woman cshould make, but also believe that it is the right and the choice of the individual, not the society that individual lives in. It is interesting to me that most of the people who preach liberty and freedom and small government are the first to desire to limit a woman’s reproductive rights. Kind of an oxymoron if you think about it.

        People need to operate and think out of mutual respect and freedom, not fear and ignorance.

        JMHO

      • Vicki

        Bob666 writes:
        “It is interesting to me that most of the people who preach liberty and freedom and small government are the first to desire to limit a woman’s reproductive rights”

        It is interesting to me that most of the people who preach liberty and freedom and big government and are for a woman’s reproductive rights are the first to desire to MURDER children that result when a woman fails to responsibly exercise her reproductive rights.

      • Robert Smith

        Here blathers Vicki again: “are the first to desire to MURDER children that result when a woman fails to responsibly exercise her reproductive rights.”

        Ain’t “murder.” Quit lying that it is. In most of America abortion is legall.

        In YOUR religion it might be “murder” but you ain’t allowed to force your religion upon me or anyone else. It’s unConstitutional.

        Please quit advocating against the Constitution and lying even if you worship of your brutal god calls it a “sin.”

        Rob

      • Deerinwater

        Please describe the victim?

      • Mikey

        Robert, let’s see if you can follow some logic:
        From the moment of conception, when the sperm fertilizes the egg, the cell changes. It now has it’s own DISTINCT and different DNA. It does not bear the same DNA as the mother or the father, a new and different human being. It is no longer simply a cell or group of cells in the mother, it’s DNA dictates that it is a separate human being, even if it has not developed at all.
        By committing abortion (removing the embryo or fetus), the embryo can no longer survive outside the mother, and quickly dies. Therefore, you are ending a human life. How is this not wrong? Just because it is legal, doesn’t necessarily make it right.
        Women should be able to make choices about their bodies, like choosing not to become pregnant in the first place. Ending another innocent human life should not be a choice they should make, (unless it somehow endangers them, then in can probably be considered self defense).
        And of course, their is always the choice of adoption.

      • Mikey

        Correction: THERE is always the choice of adoption.

      • GregS

        Robert Smith says:

        “Please quit advocating against the Constitution…”

        Defending the RIGHT TO LIFE is NOT “advocating against the Constitution,” Robert. In case you haven’t heard, the RIGHT TO LIFE is one of the most basic rights in the Constitution, and it precedes ALL other rights.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith, having nothing useful to contribute starts with an ad hominem attack by saying:
        “Here blathers Vicki again: ”

        Then says: “Ain’t “murder.” Quit lying that it is. In most of America abortion is legall.”

        I grant you the definition of “murder” is the unlawful killing of…”
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder

        In most Islamic countries it is legal to terminate gay offspring. It is legal to terminate a disobedient child (usually female). It is legal to terminate a Muslim who has renounced their faith.

        Since our Constitution was created to protect Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness it is rather incompatible with Islam and with abortion hence the legality of abortion is unconstitutional.

      • Deerinwater

        Well Micky, DNA is not a person as you seem to suggest that it is.

        And Micky, men can make the “choice” to not plant the seed of life just as easily as a woman can.

        You would want for “smaller” government that has powers to overlord human body functions.

        I don’t think that’s a good idea for once allowed in, government will not stop.

      • GregS

        Deerinwater says:

        “Well Micky, DNA is not a person as you seem to suggest that it is.”

        The word, “person,” is merely a legal term of art, and it has absolutely nothing to do with SCIENCE. It is associated with an IDEOLOGY in force at the time of its definition.

        I did not get the impression that Mikey was even “suggest[ing]” that DNA is a “person.” All he said was:

        “…it’s DNA dictates that it is a separate human being…”

        This is scientifically correct, and it simply means the the newly formed cell (NOT just the DNA) is totally separate from her parents (because she has her own unique genome), and she is also human, beacuse of her DNA.

      • Deerinwater

        So an egg is a chicken or could be a chicken?

      • Mikey

        Once the egg is fertilized, yes, it is technically a new, individual, chicken….albeit not very developed, but nonetheless a new life.

      • Deerinwater

        Well, this attempting to locate and identify the very moment that separates the day from the night, we find there is no single event while you attempt to suggest there is.

        I know what a chicken looks like Mikey.

      • Mikey

        And yes, Deerinwater, men should be held every bit as responsible for their actions as women. I certainly understand desire, but it must be tempered with a little responsibility so that abortions doesn’t have to be a issue.

      • Deerinwater

        Nobel thought, but not very realistic where is comes to the animal instinct to mate up. Natures power overrides such notions of “noble”. It always has been and always will be so. For what need would there be of Jesus if it were not?

        To offer a cure where there is no illness makes little sense.

      • Mikey

        So are you saying, “if it feels good, do it.” and “to hell with the consequences of my actions”?
        I know personal responsibility for ones actions, is not a strong suit for liberals. Unfortunately, that type of selfishness effects everyone around them. And in this case, the selfishness takes the life of an unborn child.

      • GregS

        Deerinwater says:

        “I know what a chicken looks like Mikey.”

        No, apparently you don’t. Just because you can’t see the chicken embryo inside that egg, it does NOT mean that it’s not a chicken. The DNA dictates that a chicken (NOT a robin, or a dog, or a cat) is developing inside the egg.

        All plants and animals go through various stages of development throughout their ENTIRE lives. Different stages of devlopment do not dictate a plant or animal’s identity. DNA does.

      • Deerinwater

        Well? DNA is not a chicken either. Without getting into subject that your are not actually prepared to discuss while you seem to think so.

      • GregS

        “DNA is not a chicken…???” Where did you get that??? NO ONE ever said that DNA is a chicken.

        It’s quite clear that YOU are the one who’s “not actually prepared to discuss” the subject.

      • Deerinwater

        If DNA is not a chicken as you say, than too it is not a “person” which end the debate about DNA being a person. Argument concluded and no more discussion required.

      • GregS

        The fact is that NO ONE ever said that DNA is a “person.” If you recall, near the beginning of this discussion, I said the following:

        I did not get the impression that Mikey was even “suggest[ing]” that DNA is a “person.” All he said was:

        “…it’s DNA dictates that it is a separate human being…”

        Now tell me where in this thread did either Mikey or I ever say that “DNA is a person?”

        We said that DNA DICTATES what a chicken is, and what a human is, but we NEVER said that DNA IS a chicken or a human.

        With regard to the word “person,” if you recall, I said that it’s a legal term of art, rather than a scientific term.

        Now we can say that the argument is concluded.

      • Mikey

        Nice try Greg, but we’re dealing with people on this site who couldn’t pass high school biology to save their lives. I wouldn’t waste any more keystrokes on deerinwater, he’s unteachable.

      • Deerinwater

        Mikey! fear not! you have nothing to waste.

      • Deerinwater

        I’m just a key stroke from tying your ass in a knot and you elect to disengage , how quaint.

      • Mikey

        I’m sorry simple logic and biology escapes you, apparently selfishness does not. It’s just too bad so many innocent lives are lost because the laws are supported by illogical, selfish fools like yourself.

      • GregS

        Very well stated, Mikey!

      • Deerinwater

        Anatomy and Physiology 101 ~ with lab ~ is a basic requirement for anyone wishing to enter the health care profession. It’s a humbling monster that I managed to struggle through with less than flattering grades~ All of your questions are answered in this core study. ~ You clear this bar, ~ then you are looking at tackling Chemistry where a student finds out just how bright they really are.

        Go for it ~ smart person, educate yourself and quite spreading your manure about.

    • Cliffystones

      “If the GOP wants to survive, they need to shed off the pro-life, religious right and get back to the constitution. That is government of ALL people by ALL people for ALL people, not just old white people who go to a Christian church.

      Explain to us how an unborn child doesn’t qualify as one of those “ALL people”. I suppose you’re right. We should ALL just ignore our values and vote for the winning horse.

      • Deerinwater

        Well? ~ We can’t say this is the first time that people as yourselves have refuse the message.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You illustrate the narrower “values” mindset when you focus on abortion and ignore the bigger picture painted by the article.

        My background in biological science tells me that a fertilized human egg will become a free-living human being if the development process is not interrupted. Same thing with a duck or a fish or a frog or a snake. I have more than a little trouble discovering where the “soul” is found in the body or when it “arrives”. So, I don’t approve of abortion except for the few “good” reason,s but I leave it to the religionists to say whether it’s murder or not. It’s between God and the parents and their consciences and should not be something the federal government involves itself in.

        The religious right needs to understand that they are being used by the plutocracy and the corporate oligarchy. The builders of the corporate fascist state have used social values as a tool to enlist you as their foot soldiers in their fight, just as they have coopted the Tea Party’s fight for smaller government and greater fiscal responsibility. What you are really fighting for is their right to be untaxed, unregulated, and unhindered as they take control of the country. Bob says some good things in this article but he is “thrashing” a bit in frustration—-I don’t have a much better answer for the GOP but forming a third party will NOT get it done.

      • nc

        Cliffy, are here any “true Republicans” and what do they stand for and when did it start? They claim to vote against Democrats because of the Roe V Wade decision like it is some sort of Democrat creation when, in fact, it is more of a Republican creation!

      • nc

        Cliffy, there are a lot of Americans, including me, that feel that an “unborn late term child” needs protection but also feel the woman bearing the child should have some “protection” also> Therefore we try very hard to make sure that those who would ban ALL abortions DO NOT GAIN the power to take away THOSE RIGHTS FROM AN ADULT AND GIVE THEM TO A HANDFULL OF CELLS! ESPECIALLY AN ADULT CITIZEN WHO HAS PAID HER DUES TO BE PROTECTED NOT TO MENTION HAVING ASSUMED THE RESPONCIBILITY OF CHILDREN SHE HAS ALREADY GIVEN BIRTH TO!

        DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY THEIR MOTHER WHO HAS COMMITTED NO CRIME AND IS OF SOUND MINE??? YOU WILL ADMIT THAT THERE ARE THOSE BY THE MILLIONS WHO WOULD BAN ALL ABORTIONS IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY!! NO??? WOULD YOU????

      • Robert Smith

        From Cliffy: “Explain to us how an unborn child doesn’t qualify as one of those “ALL people”.”

        Not a “child” except in the context of religion or the mother having defined it as such.

        Ain’t a “human being” until your brutal god breaths life in at the end of the birth process.

        Remember, he created the earth and sky, made it light, made the animals, and then finally after making the body breathed “life” into it.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Ohhhhhhhh, Cliffy, I have more!

        “After God formed man in Genesis 2:7, He “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”. Although the man was fully formed by God in all respects, he was not a living being until after taking his first breath.

        Oh, and check this out: In Exodus 21:22 it states that if a man causes a woman to have a miscarriage, he shall be fined; however, if the woman dies then he will be put to death. It should be apparent from this that the aborted fetus is not considered a living human being since the resulting punishment for the abortion is nothing more than a fine; it is not classified by the bible as a capital offense.”

        So, the bible babble doesn’t count killing a fetus as “murder.”

        Sheesh… Can’t even get your own “reference” correct.

        Rob

      • GregS

        Robert Smith says:

        “Not a ‘child’ except in the context of religion or the mother having defined it as such.

        Ain’t a ‘human being’ until your brutal god breaths life in at the end of the birth process.

        …So, the bible babble doesn’t count killing a fetus as “murder.”

        Sheesh… Can’t even get your own “reference” correct.”

        From all of your rants about abortion, Robert, it’s quite clear that it’s YOU who are the religious zealot.

        As I’ve said before, the unborn child (fetus) is a totally separate LIVING HUMAN ORGANISM, as are we all. That’s NOT religion. It’s science, stupid. Look it up in any textbook on embryology.

        Furthermore, the RIGHT TO LIFE is the most basic right in the Constitution, and it precedes ALL other “rights.”

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Well said, Bob, even if the 666 makes me wonder a bit—I hope it means “devil’s advocate” rather than devil’s disciple. LOL

      Circular firing squads DO tend to lead to extinction—-the folks on the lunatic “right” may or may not learn that in time. We who hope for the survival of the nation can always hope they don’t.

      • Vicki

        The trick to a circular firing squad is to use low penetration rounds and be able to hit the target. Extra safety can be exercised by having an odd number of members of the squad properly positioned around the circle.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Good one, Vicki

        And the last man standing after the circular firing squad parties is the one you run for president! Only he has been hit by so many “low penetration” rounds that he is punchy and can’t find any real ammo when the real battle begins—-he keeps mixing up his rounds and one goes left while the next goes right and the next is a dud.

        So, he ends up being hit by the high velocity armor piercing rounds of his opponent and becomes a KIA. (It’s like the contrast between a BB gun and .30-06 AP) LOL

      • Robert Smith

        Vicky,

        Why doesn’t it surprise me that you would “correct” someone about a circular firing squad?

        Rob

      • Vicki

        ???

        I made no correction to RBT. He said that they tend to lead to extinction and they do. I explained how to reduce the tendency. CFS still tends to lead to extinction, just not as dramatically if proper procedures are followed.

    • Jim

      I agree with Bob, Roe v Wade has dominated our supreme court appointments for over 40 years while our civil liberties have been taken away to help fight the drug war. We need to go back to the constitution of the 50′s and let people live as they choose if it dosen’t impose on another persons liberty.
      I don’t have a problem with letting the people that have controled our government and got us in this debt mess pay to get us out of it.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        And has anyone noticed that the Supremes have NOT overturned Roe v. Wade even when they had enough right-leaning horses to get it done?. Could it be that the right wing not doing so has kept the “social values” folks on their side? So that the plutocracy and corporate oligarchy could bury their real agenda?

      • Vicki

        Or it could mean that the court is not right leaning at all.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Vicki,
        You are a laugh riot today—–ever think of doing standup?

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        It is not our Constitution that has changed (legally) from the 50′s. It is the unconstitutional, hence illegal bills, laws, etc that the corrupt representatives have been passing off as “law” while dumbing down the populace so that they cannot even critically think.

        Basically the jobs assigned to the President are the same. Just like being assigned to clean your room as a child, it matters not if your room is in a shack, in a house, in a palace or in a space ship – the tools you use to do the job might change a bit, but the job is still the same – get the room clean.

        So when a president is supposed to enforce constitutional laws, and not those that are unconstitutional – that NEVER changes. When congress is supposed to write legislation that is in pursuance of the US Constitution – that never changes what ever time period we are in. When the Supreme justices are supposed to make sure that every law, bill, amendment meets the requirements of the Constitution, individual liberty – that NEVER changes what ever the time period.

        When a president gives authority to the UN over the USA – that is treason on the presidents part (a power no one in the federal or state governments have). When he sends a letter that he has done so to Boehner – and Boehner does nothing,that is treason on both their parts. When Obama, Panetta, and Dempsey say that the UN has authority over the USA in front of and to the Senate. When the senate does nothing about the treason – then all have committed treason. When they have given authority to the UN over the USA as a nation and over the US Military – they have all overstepped any power given to them and need to be arrested and held for prosecution.

        When the representatives do nothing about treason, it is up to the state governments to arrest and hold them for prosecution. If those in the state governments refuse to do their duty, then it is up to the people to arrest and hold them for prosecution and to IMMEDIATELY replace all of the above.

        That is what our government, the Constitution of the United States of America requires of those who are a part of that government, including the sovereign people.

    • Hedgehog

      Bob666;

      So you believe in the concept of democracy! Then call it by its true name, Tyranny of the majority. The biggest gang in the country. In your 21st century government is certainly not by what is in the best interest of your country, but by force. Where in blazes did you get the idea that “Might makes right”, that is not democracy! True Democracy is government by consensus, not by force. Learn the difference or die! Your Republic is not a democracy, it operates by “consent of the governed”. Again learn the difference or die by the weapons of those who do not consent. By my reading of the statistics, you people are perilously close to civil unrest and bloody revolution. I hope I am wrong, but when I see someone boldly proclaiming himself a servant of the Antichrist (666) and prating of true democracy, I begin to despair.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Hedgehog brings out more tired old axes to grind:
        “Tyranny of the majority”—-. “Might makes right”—–”Your Republic is not a democracy” I think Bob understand well that we are a representative democracy—-why doesn’t H-Hog?

        H-Hog says. “By my reading of the statistics, you people are perilously close to civil unrest and bloody revolution”.
        If it happens, it will be the fault of those who want to overthrow the republic and make it into a corporate fascist state “You people” are the 99%, H-Hog.

        H-Hog says “I hope I am wrong, but when I see someone boldly proclaiming himself a servant of the Antichrist (666) and prating of true democracy, I begin to despair”.
        When I see someone who can’t even entertain the idea that 666 means “devil’s advocate”, I wonder why they have no sense of humor. And I despair at those who would read into Bob’s words what they want to see rather than what Bob said—he did NOT come close to even mentioning “true democracy”, never mind “prate” about it.

      • Bob666

        Tyranny of the majority?

        defined-Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows citizens to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

        Mr.Hedgehog, just curious, what is your definition? in a demorcay, The majoriety rules.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Democracy: 5 kids on the playground want to play volleyball. 5 kids want to play football. 5 want to swing. 6 want to play baseball. All have to play baseball.

        Majority ruled. But it was messed with the rest who did not want what they wanted.

        Constitutional Republic (with no treasonous slimesuckers): You have the right to life. Because you have the right to life you may not take anothers life. You have the right to own property (land, cars, stuff). Because you have the right to own proplerty you may not take anothers property. You have the right to free speech as long as it doesn’t deliberately cause harm to another, etc. You have the right to own a weapon because you have the right to DEFEND yourself and your property – look at right to life… because most times peace officers do not get there until AFTER a crime is committed; and becuase sometimes those in government hate not being Kings and Dictators telling you how to life your life.

        Simplistic.

        PS Read Agenda 21 – what is going on here in the USA is much worse – it puts us all into slavery – literally. Progressive definition of “Freedom” is that you will be freed from the burden of making decisions for yourself. They will decide when you get up, when you go to sleep, what you eat, where you will lve, what job you will do, how many hours you will work, if you get a break, they will give you what you will be allowed to wear, only hear what they want you to hear, watch, etc; You will own NOTHING, not even the clothes they allow you to wear. Think I am kidding, READ Agenda 21, READ UN, did you watch Obama’s ‘Julia’? You should ahve. They put her thru school, gave her a job, when she retired THEY allowed her to work in the community garden – NOT her own garden – she owned nothing. Her whole life was decided by them. Romney is just as bad.

      • Deerinwater

        Kansas Bright says, “Simplistic.
        PS Read Agenda 21 – what is going on here in the USA is much worse – it puts us all into slavery – literally. Progressive definition of “Freedom” is that you will be freed from the burden of making decisions for yourself. They will decide when you get up, when you go to sleep, what you eat, where you will live, what job you will do, how many hours you will work, ”

        LOL~ ! Most fitting Handle, sound like a Kansas Dairy Farmer , just replace the word “progressives” with “Cows” .

        I think you might be a victim of the notion that the two parties, democrats and republican or conservatives and progressive are complete opposites and diametrically opposed to one another.

        While they are “in word” opposed to each other, it’s not due to just their deeds or behavior but the food chain, pecking order and setting arrangements.

        Cows and horses are no different, they know their place, know when it is under attack and have their own way of protesting. You ever see a cow put her back hoof in a milk bucket and kick it across the barn?

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Yes, I have. I have ridden many horses, attended many colleges that I paid for myself, including some of the “best” in the world.

        I make sure that I think for myself, and read what is being pushed so I know what it REALLY says.

        And you? Any schooling? Do you ride? Ever milk a cow? Read any of the great literature? Study anything or always let yourself be told what to think? Know more then one language?

        Never mind all that, got any facts for me? Like I handed to you?

      • Deerinwater

        Kansas say’s ; “Never mind all that, got any facts for me? Like I handed to you?”

        With such an education I would think that you would know the difference between facts and commentary .

        Forgive me for toying with your commentary but it was so tempting and just too hard to ignore.

        Don’t take it too serious, ~ I certainly didn’t. I am sure you are a bright opinionated man.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        You are wrong on the “man” part. Bright, maybe. More that I am willing to put in what it takes to learn, to read through boring bills, etc; track down information listen to the senate and congressional meetins (when we are alowed to), listen to parliament, etc. To be informed takes effort. To be well informed takes a lot of effort. Instead of TV, etc, I research, take classes, study on my own. I listen to those I like, and most importantly I listen to those I don’t like. I read every comment so that I learn from those who have learned things I have not.

        You are here, you are posting, you are learning as are we all, that is in itself important. We are all communicating.

      • Vicki

        Right Brain Thinker writes:
        ” I think Bob understand well that we are a representative democracy—-why doesn’t H-Hog? ”

        Perhaps cause we are not. We just happen to be (assuming you are talking about the United States of America) a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic. It is not enough to be a Republic as that just means we have a few hundred tyrants ~3000 miles away (assumes you live on the west coast :) ). The creation of a Republic with a Constitution to limit the powers of the government is the essential element of what made the United States of America both unique and very very successful for many years.
        http://michaelburns1963.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/what-type-of-government-does-america-have/

        Then the progressives came.

      • Deerinwater

        Kansas says, “To be informed takes effort. To be well informed takes a lot of effort. Instead of TV, etc, I research, take classes, study on my own. I listen to those I like, and most importantly I listen to those I don’t like. I read every comment so that I learn from those who have learned things I have not.”

        I say, Well said Kansas, I wish more were like you, even with your predisposition to think progressives are that much different from yourself and using unflattering and misinformed language in the attempt to justice your bias.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Progressives got its “hold” on the US federal government starting with Wilson. Roosevelt put many more progressive actions into ply then poor Wilson did. Truthfully, I could live with, not like, but live with both Wilson’s and Rosevelt’s concept of progressivism. Even though he brought the Federal Reserve into ‘life’ here – something he totally regretted, thought he sold his country out. Turns out he was correct.

        Todays “progressive” is not a true progressive, but a mix of Hitler and Stalin with a bit of Pol Pot using the Democratic, then liberal, now progressive name. Basically they are the tools of a group wanting world domination.

        How can I prove what I say without pages of notes? This way, Agenda 21. Let me teach you what it is, how it destroys our nation, and enslaves our people, and gives those who want world domination (One World Government, etc) the USA without a shot being fired. Showing what I will post below is true is a few of the states that have BANNED Agenda 21.
        The Alabama Senate Bill (SB) 477 legislation, known as the “Due Process for Property Rights” Act. Tennessee, New Hampshire, in Kansas a resolution was approved that quashed Agenda 21 from taking over the state. Arizona House of Representatives voted down a ban that resembles the NH ban, Louisiana, Texas, etc.

        UN’s Agenda 21 – a progressive movement started years ago and supported by Obama and his adminstration, and Romney.

        Agenda 21 is a plan to… , implement controls on how to govern the populous and make decisions for the people of the USA and the world through actions taken by the UN”. Their focus is on the global impact of use of land, education and depopulation through control measures including: eliminating personal property rights, private education (including home schooling) and eugenics (forced sterility) in order to have organized global harvesting of the planet under UN control.

        The UN is planning to take over conservation and management of the world’s resources for their developmental purposes. By abolishing personal property rights, the demise of rural area living, removal of personal ownership of natural resource; this will take away the power from individuals and place it firmly in the hands of the governments who have agreed to UN control.

        How is this being done here? What effects will it have in America and on all people living here?

        It is being done here through legislation, rules, regulations, zoning, planning and regional planning; things that impact individuals property rights through the use of the German based ICLEI programs. Some other private organizations in league with ICLEI are the: National League of Cities, International City/County Management Group, National Governors Association, American Planning Group and many more.They are implementing rules and regulations throughout the States, regions, and communities through zoning, planning and regional planning; things that impact our property rights.

        Also used is monitoring energy usage (SMART meters), behaviors, big brother style controls, and re-education (brainwashing with propaganda); as well as restricting local governments by installing their own leaders voted into office by a coerced consensus.

        President Obama, who supports the UN’s Agenda 21 initiative, signed the executive order Establishing a White House Council on Strong Cities, Strong Communities . He outlined plans to partner with local communities and the US government to “provide them with comprehensive technical assistance to use and compete for Federal resources”. Obama claims that only with regional collaboration and comprehensive planning with the US government will stabilize economic growth, create jobs, and lead to sustainable redevelopment of our American cities. This rhetoric is nearly copied directly from the Agenda 21 documents from past Earth Summits.

        It will end individual property ownership, business ownership, car ownership, etc. No one is to be allowed to live in rural areas, nor own any type of natural resource. All people will be moved to “communities” to live; leaving and creating more unpopulated areas for UN uses (stealing) of US natural resources, etc.

        No more owning property to raise animals, hay, food, etc. Our children will no longer have the family property to raise their animals, gardens for FFA, or 4-H, or any other activity that requires the individual use of property. We get to “contribute” it to the community. Yes, contribute it, all will be taken from us for the good of the “community” and the world.

        There will be “community gardens” as shown in Obama’s “Julia”. She gets to retire to work in the “community garden”. NOT her own garden, but the community garden.

        In Obama’s and the UN’s eyes – The community good is everything (think ant farm). Individual rights, wants, property ownership, human ownership of anything is bad as the government will provide all for you; all ‘individual needs’ must be changed to ‘community needs’ – no one needs to think of their self and what they need, but what they can do for the community good. Everyone will work for the community good; no more individual rights, cars, gardens, farms, koi ponds, horseback riding, etc. No individual business ownership as the UN corporations will handle all of that.

        The government will provide all you need. They will “free” you from every having tomake a decsion for yourself again.They will tell you want you can eat, and when. What type of work you will do for the community, how many hours, when and if you get breaks and lunches, all donated by you and overseen by a “master” .. sorry… overseer.
        There will be NO paychecks, as you are now working for the community/world good not your selfish wants.

        Do the research, it is all there.

      • deerinwater

        Kansas, ~ forgive me for being so slow to respond to you lengthy articulate posting. It was not an attempt to ignore you and your thought provoking post.

        You have indeed done the study and I’m willing to concur with much of what you present. For what you say is true, ~ if the human race is found sturdy enough to live that long, to thrive, prosper , develop and multiply much of what you offer will come to past.

        At some point in the far future there will be one overlord overriding government. What you failed to offer us is a time frame and the many stages and steps this with require.

        My guess it will be 500 to 900 years from now. By this point in time, what we see as important today will no long hold the same value or importance, notions of autonomy and sovereignty will shift away from what we think of today. It will not be today’s world but a world of tomorrow. ~ For better or worse. Much change is afoot.

        If we pause for a moment and think back 500 years. ~ Of the early 1600′s, there were only a small hand full of men in the world that knew how to circumnavigate the globe in small wooden ships. The act of sailing from Europe to China was an adventure preformed by few. It was a closely guarded secret kept by no more then 5 men. And even then , arrival to any sought destination was no guarantee.

        There was a time, I once enjoyed Science Fiction novels, ~ the things you speak of can be found there in their pages.

        The concept of “Mine” will go through some serious change as today you speak of an Ayn Rand’s “mine”. Tomorrows concept of “mine” will be different.

        Uncomfortable thoughts for 21st century man to be certain. Not to mention a Conservative 21st Century man. We might fight and attempt to delay it ~ it’s only natural that we should. We might well win some battle but in the end it will be a war we will loose, while of course both you and I will be long dead.

        I enjoyed your posting Kansas.

        Live long and prosper

    • Jibbs

      http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&p=is+the+uniteg+states+a+republic+or+democracy

      ARE WE A DEMOCRACY OR A REPUBLIC?

      Is the United States a democracy or a republic? Unfortunately, the answer is politically and definitively confusing. Our form of government is both a democracy and a republic. Fortunately, the debate is beginning all over again and it was started by ordinary people who feel that our government is out of control.

      Dictionaries contain slightly different definitions of a democracy and a republic. However, most dictionaries agree that a democracy is government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.

      A republic has two forms and definitions. A republic can be a form of government with an elected president instead of a monarch, or a form of government with an elected president and elected representatives responsible to the people.

      Webster’s Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language brings a democracy and a republic closer together by defining a republic as “a form of government in which the sovereign power is widely vested in the people either directly or through elected representatives.”

      Cuba’s President Fidel Castro, Iraq’s President Saddam Hussein and the presidents of many totalitarian governments fit the first definition of a republic. However, they are tyrannical presidents that wield the sovereign power of monarchs.

      The United States fits the second description of a republic, which, combined with the definition of a democracy, makes us a republic of representative democracy or what some call a democratic republic.

      In the definitions of both a democracy and the second definition of a republic, however, the supreme power is supposed to be widely vested in the people. But in our democratic republic, the power of the people has been compromised by those who have assumed greater powers.

      The word “democracy” is not contained in the Constitution, yet it begins with the democratic statement, “We the people of the United States. do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. The only place the word “republic” is mentioned is in Article IV, Section 4. “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government.”

      Most people think of America as a democracy. However, social, educational and economic powers, and the unbridled growth of government have diluted the meaning. The public education establishment, colleges and universities have revised history. They have demeaned the word “democracy” as being majority rule, “mob rule” and the tyranny of the majority. The academic, political and media elite quietly condemn democracy and endorse the republic as a powerful central government, which must rule over us because we are unsophisticated and too ignorant to decide for themselves.

      Indeed, the United States has become weaker on democracy and stronger on a republic of consolidated government power in Washington. Anti-democracy zealots detest majority rule by the people, but they believe in the majority when it comes to electing representatives, and they believe in the majority of those representatives who rule the Congress and state legislatures with laws passed by the majority. Indeed, the word “majority” is used and referred to in the Constitution several times.

      Clearly, the irony of our so-called representative democracy has come to fruition. James Madison is considered the “architect” of the Constitution. He proposed a scheme of representation that would control the effects of factions and demagogues. But society is now inundated with factions, and government is controlled by the tyranny of the minority. Of course, the most glaring examples are the dominant Republican and Democratic Party factions, which control elections and government with the “two-party system.”

      Prior to the adoption of the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation were the laws of the land and they were filled with democracy and the sovereignty of the states. The confusion about democracy stems from the Founders of the Constitution. Madison, Hamilton and Adams argued in favor of federalism as opposed to state power and the “pure (direct) democracy” of ancient Athens, the birthplace of democracy. Now, like then, the power of the aristocratic elite frowned upon the sovereign power of the people. And now, like then, they demonize democracy with lies, distortions and half-truths.

      Madison and the others followed Plato’s negative views on democracy and his positive views on a republic. But those views were elitist and wrong. Thomas Jefferson was considered the architect of the Declaration of Independence, and his dream for America was based upon the direct democracy of 5th century BC Athens, Greece.

      Democracy detractors conveniently focus on the extreme violence of ancient times, which were simply uncivilized ways of life throughout the ancient world. But they purposely fail to evaluate the democracy of Athens fairly. The democracy of Athens was much less violent than anywhere else. Athenians built the greatest early civilization with pure democracy. Without the democracy of Athens over 2,500 years ago we would not be enjoying anything remotely like democracy or a democratic republic today.

      The “politically correct” and “historical revisionists” have contaminated America with subtle but destructive tyrannies that have seriously damaged our free democratic society. Politicians use the word democracy when they want something from the people, and they use the word republic when they don’t.

      By definition, a Republican believes in a republic, and a Democrat believes in democracy, which can only lead ordinary people to believe that there is too much hypocrisy, too much power, and too little common sense in government.

      Lest we forget, the word “republic” identifies some of the worst of dictatorships, authoritarian and tyrannical governments. The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the People’s Republic of China are two glaring examples.

      And even though the word “democratic” is used by small dictatorships around the globe, “democracy” is nowhere to be found.

      Frustration with society and government leaves most people feeling ambivalent or helpless. But we must not forget that the only thing standing between liberty and tyranny is the freedom to participate in democracy. We must use it or run the risk of losing it entirely.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        “The word “democracy” is not contained in the Constitution, yet it begins with the democratic statement, “We the people of the United States. do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”

        Actually in a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the people themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The people have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the people, and obliged to its owner — We the People.

        A Constitutional Republic has similarities to democracy in that it uses democratic processes to elect representatives, etc. The difference is that a Constitutional Republic has a Constitution that is the blueprint of the government. It defines the government’s structure, assigns its duties and limited, listed powers, plus creates checks and balances that power between the different branches.

        Hope that helps to clarfy it for you.

      • Vicki

        A Constitutional Republic does not necessarily limit the powers of government. A well written Constitution such as ours does. Thus I usually call our form of government a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic.

        This video helps explain the concept and explain how left vs right is used to keep the populace distracted.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

    • Mikey

      Correction: THERE is always the choice of adoption.

  • Deerinwater

    Ouch! An indictment on solid ground. Try being a democrat to have an appreciation for their handy work. Foxed News media is a proxy extension of the GOP but where it’s for power or position, I don’t know and I guess that it really doesn’t matter.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      deer in water , Fox News Fox Business , Wall Street Journal , Wall Street in General is a proxy for ” Multi National ” Business right ? Thats why we see them saying Nothing about a change in the tax code that can help Small Business compete with these Market Flooding Multi Nationals who are Making the USA a SERFDOM Nation !!!!! The Multi Nationalism of the way the international businesses have Lobbied over the years is with selfish greed for control over their market and they have done this with unfair trade policy that gave them control and can’t help themselves because thats the way their Business Model is set up , it feeds on itself destruction . We need to find a way to enable small business to be a Bigger player in the process and what they could do is be a Bigger innovator and Parts Originator of New Innovation that can then be the ” Proving Ground for advancement of Technology for the Mulit national sector and a Tax Code that Rewards and Creates Incentives to drive this would also create more Jobs !!!!!

      The Tax Code needs to be adjusted to change the Unfairness that these Volume Importers of Manipulated values of Trade Goods that Small Business in the USA cannot access and Compete with on a domestic Production level and sell into the same markets and that is where the Problem is . Read this article , http://theintelhub.com/2012/12/09/how-to-create-20-million-jobs-in-the-us/ , it TOTALLY describes the Problem and the Need to change the Tax code to Level the Markets Playing field between Small Business and Tariff Free Importers who flood the Retail market and are Crowding out any opportunity for small Business to have any change at all !!!

      • Deerinwater

        You bet Tony, the “fix is in” ~ Status Quo is to be persevered while big business will make the claim that they suffer from Status Quo. ~ while many voters that would vote a Republican ticket would eat this “contrived message” up.

        It’s the damnest thing to witness as we see people vote against their own self interest and vote the vote of the entitled elite believing they are best served while making claims a poor man has never gave them a job as justification.

        Anyone, the wealthy, the poor, the elite, the working man will cut you out of any deal they find you as unnecessary. ~ That is life ~ it common sense and not political.

        If big business, small business or large or small government can finds us “unnecessary” , we can expect to be “left out” ~ while the markets are to be controlled ~ by supply and demand forces. ~ When an interest becomes large enough they attempt to corner markets and kill off completion with legislation via lobbyist and media appealing to the court of public opinion as we cut our own throats by defending this practice.

        Crazy but true.

      • edrankin

        yes…

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Deer in Water , without major changes in USA Monetary and tax code policies to the way small business or any business can value full production in the USA to be competitive with world producers and it be accepted by the International Banking cartel that controls the medium of exchanges in currency settlements for traded goods , I don’t see how the USA does not continue in decline and soon eventual default as we are being forced to devalue our labor costs now that credit is gone to be competitive in the world trade of goods .

      • Deerinwater

        Again, I agree 100%. ~ It appears that the illusion of being at the top of the Dung pile is what seems to matter the most with today’s Americans holds to the notion that rising water will floats all boats. ~ While I’m not so sure that this same water in rising everywhere.

        I say to today’s Americans, ~ look around , look outside our nation, look at the huge ambitious projects taking place all over Europe and Asia as they invest in their “people” and infrastructure. While today the US can boost of War on Terror, NASA and Boston’s “big dig” ( our last crowning achievement in civil projects) that I am aware of .

        America’s wealth is in her people, while this extreme far right elects views them as a liability and to be contended with in a begrudging fashion.

        If the far right plans and ideas are indicative of our future direction, indeed ~ we have lost our way as a nation of people with one God and liberty and Justice for All.

        This notion of a nations need to control the creation of it money is a sound one. I do not oppose creating the language to discuss it. Ron Paul has offered us a view, he has cracked open this door for that serious discussion might begin. ~ While this reformed whore attitude of willing to past harsh judgement on others in being slow to accept these views serves no one.

        I do not subscribe to all that Ron Paul puts forth, but many of them I most certainly do.

      • Deerinwater

        Thank you some very much Tony ~ I will look into this ~ It looks as if it might take me a while to absorb ~ it’s vast, it global.

  • michael

    There is a lot here I agree with. I believe that in the primary, you support the best available person, electable or not. As far as the last election goes, I for one am one of
    those who as you describe, gritted his teeth and voted for Romney as a less-damaging alternative to the worst president in history. History shows that this system is rigged to play out in a manner whereas BOTH parties get stuck with the worst available person, or lowest common denominator. What else can we realistically do but pick the “best” of the two available?

    • Steve E

      To get true conservatives, you need to elect them in the national primaries, but the sheeple don’t do that. They always pick the establishment which is too bad. However it is easier to get conservatives elected at the state and local levels. That is what is going on in my state in some areas.

      • Vicki

        “They (the sheeple) always pick the establishment which is too bad…”

        Judging from all the things the leaders of the Republican party did to keep out the quite popular Dr Ron Paul I think you would find that it is the elite and not the “sheeple” that always pick the “establishment”.

      • Jason B

        I voted for Ron Paul in the Primaries. I have come to the conclusion that as stated above, we have to make changes at the state levels. We have to elect people who will have the fortitude and will to take back the rights of their state. If we do that, the we nullify the idiots at the federal level.

  • Craig Wettstein

    If 16 Repubs were to “abstain” from voting for Boehner as Speaker, he’ld be gone. At which point a true “conservative could be elected in January!!!

    • Marty S.

      How about Justin Amash from Michigan?

  • markdashjohn

    Wake up, People.

    One LAST TIME; we are being HAD. This is, I repeat, NOT about “party.” It is about the “Them” vs. the “Us.”

    THE CONSTITUTION is our ‘Party.’ NOT the already-corrupted Tea Party, not the pubes. NOT the Protectionists.

    “Us” vs. “Them,” folks.

    Take your pick.

    • Robert Smith

      Who am I? An “us” or “them?”

      I’m for freedom of choice in firearms.

      I’m for freedom of choice in reproduction issues.

      I’m for freedom of choice in medical issues (as opposed to being “in plan.”)

      I’m for freedom of choice in recreational drugs (as it has mostly been throughout history).

      I’m for freedom in choice in end of life issues.

      Rob

      • Vicki

        “I’m for freedom of choice in reproduction issues.”

        While I am also for freedom of choice in reproduction issues I STRONGLY object to the murder of children as a solution to WRONG choices.

      • Robert Smith

        From Vicki: “I STRONGLY object to the murder of children as a solution to WRONG choices.”

        But it isn’t “murder.” Why would you lie about such a thing? Abortion is mostly throughout most of America.

        Ohhhhh, I get it! You are trying to FORCE your religion through law upon Americans who don’t follow your brutal god.

        Shucks Vicki, that is unConstitutional.

        Rob

      • Howlingmad

        ABORTION is “MURDER”, PERIOD ! . . . that’s for YOU, Mr SMITH. When it comes to LIFE or DEATH of the unborn, ( because of a woman’s STUPIDITY ) I don’t give a “RATS ASS”, about “YOUR” Constitutional rights.

      • GregS

        Robert Smith says:

        “You are trying to FORCE your religion through law…”

        The RIGHT TO LIFE is NOT a religion. It’s one of the most basic rights in the Constitution, stupid, and it precedes ALL other rights.

        BTW, the unborn child is a totally separate LIVING human organism. That is also NOT a religion. It’s science, stupid. Any textbook in embryology will tell you this.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “From Vicki: “I STRONGLY object to the murder of children as a solution to WRONG choices.”

        But it isn’t “murder.” Why would you lie about such a thing? Abortion is mostly throughout most of America.”

        Well as it happens it is murder. (Dictionary says murder is the unlawful killing of…) Abortion is the unlawful killing of a person (child, most innocent among us.) who has done no wrong. Committed no crime. At the moment it is thought to be legal but since killing of innocent people is most certainly against the very essence of the Constitution, any law making such killing “lawful” must be unconstitutional on its face. Since an unconstitutional law is null and void from it’s inception, abortion is the MURDER of a child.
        __________________

        Robert Smith pokes at a certain religion by saying:
        “Ohhhhh, I get it! You are trying to FORCE your religion through law upon Americans who don’t follow your brutal god.

        Shucks Vicki, that is unConstitutional.”

        Can’t be unconstitutional since the Constitutions primary reason for existing is protecting LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You are aware that children are people too?

        Think of it this way. That “brutal” God that you grumble about has convinced his faithful to not kill Robert Smith because he is an un-believer. That “brutal” God has convinced us to come to your aid if someone does try. Do you really want us to stop “forcing” our religion on on them?

      • Marty S.

        Choice in firearms as in squirt gun vs. super soaker?

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    the internal bickering must stop and we must band together to save our nation from obama…and his 52% minions [free loaders].

    • Robert Smith

      Do you consider retired military to be “free loaders?”

      Rob

      • Bruce R Porter Sr

        Yes!
        We’re responsible for a ton of “off the table” payments the American people are indebted for. That alleged $16,000,000,000,000 WE owe is just the tip of the iceberg……there is another $200,000,000,000,000+ of “unfunded liabilities” of which we and Social Security are the majority portion…….yeah, they promised us…..but didn’t put aside any money! Another part of the ponzi scheme called government.

        Bruce R Porter Sr
        Major US Army retired
        Combat wounded, Airborne, Ranger, Special Forces

      • Robespierre

        That is a typical Liberal comment done to confuse the argument. Who, except for Liberals in this country( draft dodgers all) would label retired military in that manner? Of course we have retired triple dipper brass that could be labeled as dippers at the trough of public funds.

      • Robert Smith

        Robes: “Liberals in this country( draft dodgers all)”

        Not me. No draft dodging here. I did 4 years in the USN. 1968 – 1972.

        Why do you apparently feel so compelled to be absolute?

        Rob

      • Mikey

        Robert, there is a huge difference between those that served this country, and those that expect free food, shelter and medical care, and contribute nothing to society. You are intentionally confusing the issue, and typical Alinsky move.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted by Robes: “Liberals in this country( draft dodgers all)”

        My answer: “Not me. No draft dodging here. I did 4 years in the USN. 1968 – 1972.”

        The truth isn’t any kind of “move,” it’s simply the truth that puts the lie of “draft dodgers all” in place.

        Why are you so dismissive of the truth?

        Rob

      • Deerinwater

        “Posted by Robes: “Liberals in this country( draft dodgers all)”

        WoW! That must be one tall ivory tower that affects you vision so. So how is the weather up there today?

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “Why do you apparently feel so compelled to be absolute?”

        Perhaps for the same reason you apparently feel compelled to denigrate a certain religion?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why are the retired military your concern? Who made you their spokesman?

      • Robert Smith

        Awwwww Vicki: “Perhaps for the same reason you apparently feel compelled to denigrate a certain religion?”

        What have I said that is in any way untrue?

        BTW, are you part of that transsubstriation thing? Eat any good saviors lately?

        Rob

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith writes:
        “What have I said that is in any way untrue?”

        Robert Smith: “Your brutal god”

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? Well that depends on ones own understanding of God and what one gives God responsible for I suppose.

        For example, if one believes in the ever-after and that we were created and product of God. It’s safe to assume, you belong to God is this world and the next. Why then would it matter wish world you abide to God?

      • Robert Smith

        Here goes Vicki again. I’ve corrected her before so in my humble opinion she is lying deliberately: “Perhaps for the same reason you apparently feel compelled to denigrate a certain religion?”

        Nope, not the religion, just the knuckle headed followers who think EVERYONE should be part of it because THEIR ticket is being punched to their version of heaven by increasing the flocking thing.

        Rob

    • eddie47d

      There is no 52% “free loaders” yet if Conservatives continue to act high and mighty about everything they may also go the way of the dinosaur. If there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans yet they garnered the majority votes you (Conservatives/Libertarians) will continue to be cold cocked at the polls. You have to be more than the angry white man if you intend to gain much traction.

      • Hedgehog

        For shame Eddie, a racist slur; “the angry white man”.

      • Robert Smith

        It isn’t a “slur” if it’s true.

        Rob

      • Mikey

        Rob, once again, your ignorance is showing.

        You claim something to be true, with absolutely no knowledge of the subject matter. I have many Libertarian friends who are members of “minority” groups.

        In fact, the Libertarian who started the motorcycle group “Sons of Liberty Riders” happens to be Hispanic.
        http://www.sonsoflibertyriders.com

        Then there’s always Bob Parks, the conservative journalist who often speaks about the lies of the Dem/Rep paradigm. He happens to be African-American.
        http://www.black-and-right.com/all-about-me/

        And unlike you and many of the other Left wing fascists that infest this site, I back my comments with links so you can verify my comments.

      • Robert Smith

        What part of “angry” or “white man” do you dispute?

        Rob

      • Mikey

        Rob:
        I contest the wrongful assumption that Libertarians/Conservatives consist only of “White Males”. Stereotyping is just as bad as racism. You fascist leftists stereotype far more than any group I’ve encountered, bar none.

      • eddie47d

        The majority of voters who voted for Romney were white males just like the majority of blacks voted for Obama. Nothing racists except in the minds of foreigner hedgehog well maybe Mikey.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The Dems/Progs/Leftists are using a new catch phrase of “angry white males”, does this surprise any Conservatives or Libertarians?

      • Marty S.

        Assuming they are now a new minority then they are certainly an entitled group with special rights and privileges correct?

      • Marty S.

        Eddie make no mistake believing this was even close to a legitimate election. The real goal was to play like Obama won. The NWO got results no matter which candidate ended up as president. These “elections” are the biggest scam ever perpetrated upon the U.S. people in history and it has been going on for decades.

    • nc

      Bobby, your “52%” tirade, which includes veterans, retired folks, good Americans who lost their jobs under bush but still want to work and those too infirm to work, was uttered also by your man Mitten and where is he today?? Working for Morman motels!!
      When Conservatives come to grips with the reality that the American people HAVE NEVER desired to be governed by your “true conservative” concepts yet have reached the position of number one in the world, should tell you there is a better way!I It’s called having the common sense to compromise to survive in the 21st century instead of being hide bound to the 18th century!

    • Daveh234

      Robert E. Lee in calling the people of the 52% is a disgrace to the American people. What a bigoted thing to say and completely untrue. We are all “We The People”.
      Ignorance doesn’t help the argument along.

  • http://mozilla robert e. lee

    It is time to form a cohesive ; inclusive broad based conservative movement;; repubs are no longer our representatives;;;;;Like it or hate it “THE TEA PARTY” IS the solution; they are fiscal/moral conservatives and they have the infra structure to reach millions through FREEDOM WORKS and all their auxiliary local chapters. The Tea Party candidates did very well at the local levels this recent election;; incidentally…we must take back America at the local levels to build our strong conservative base. I was in DC in 2009 and these people are for real, no matter what the radical left wing media says. We are not terrorists ; but we are a threat to obama and his agenda 21….

    • Marty S.

      Robert is on to something here. If there was ever a time in our nation’s history for this it is now. We must form a legitimate coalition of all these conservative and liberty political factions produce a solid platform from our commonalities and set aside less important differences and begin taking seats in both the House and the Senate in order to counter the progressives from both currently dominant parties. Their are probably a handful already in the legislature that would welcome reinforcements and are tired of the likes of Boener et al. We must or this nation is dead for good.

  • http://www.edwinrankin.com Ed Rankin

    the GOPs treatment of ron paul and his supporters should have been a sufficient signal to conservatives that there is no interest in taking the party back to its roots. the GOP elite want big government their way. the only real difference between a republican and democrat government is whose patrons get rewarded with tax payer goodies.

    • http://mozilla robert e. lee

      you are absolutely correct;; probably would have won if Paul and the evangelical sit outs had played. I was shocked at them not allowing Paul’s delegates to be seated..solidified the existence of a progressive collaboration with obama; make a good show so we the people think “ALL IS WELL”;; there is NO TWO PARTY SYSTEM TODAY…..

      • Vicki

        It was an instructive example of why so many of us claim that there is no real difference between the 2 parties. For change that you can enjoy as well as believe in there is the Libertarian party. http://www.lp.org.

    • Robert Smith

      From Ed: “the GOPs treatment of ron paul and his supporters should have been a sufficient signal to conservatives that there is no interest in taking the party back to its roots. ”

      Let’s look at those roots. It began in 1860.

      Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican President (1861–1865): Freed the slaves and wasn’t much on religion.

      And we can jump to Barry Goldwater: Pro-choice, and didn’t care about gays in the military.

      But recently the current batch are just a bunch of reich wingers.

      Yes, go back to tradition when I was a proud Republican. They lost me when I figured out that the only thing from the voodoo “trickle down” economics was that they were peeing on America.

      Rob

  • Paul Wells

    Here’s the deal, as I see it. You can walk away from the Republican Party, fine, well and good. Just remember, they got almost 50% of the popular vote this last election. The Libertarian party, well, it didn’t fare so well. Recent news article cites that Obama’s approval rating is now approaching 57%, in spite of Benghazi, endless expensive vacations that taxpayers pay for, capitulation on supporting Israel (at least in part), and a host of other unsavory behavior. So, in spite of this well written article, Bob, I and others ask, what shall we do to get the Conservative brand acceptable again, when so many weak willed Libtards bleat like little sheep for the next handout? I hate to say it, but we’re doomed, because we have lost our moral fiber. Still…I want to make a difference, but as I see it, it’s ALL uphill sledding!

    • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

      Well, you can start by giving up the use of terms like “Libtards”…

      Honestly, whenever I try to engage with someone who ends up using terms like that, I just tune them out and stop wasting my time on them…

      Nothing screams “I AM NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!!!” more than some political hack spouting out stupid terms like that. That is not someone who takes himself, nor his politics, seriously.

      If you want to get real, on real issues, real problems, real solutions, then take yourself seriously.

      There is a lot of real problems that need to be taken seriously, by serious people, and using derogatory terms like that is counter productive.

      If you seriously want to make a difference, then start with yourself and take yourself seriously, first of all.

      Until you do? There’s just no point talking to you any further.

      – Smoov

      • Paul Wells

        Smoov, Please note that your many worded diatribe against my one snarky comment to describe liberals in general, pointed out no problem identification, no problem rectification, and was basically just a slam on me for using the term libtard. I would say grow up, and learn to take a little criticism (if you deserve it), but that point will surely be lost on you. On the other hand, if you really want to be part of the solution, pray tell advise what that might be.

      • Marty S.

        Great handle by the way.

    • nc

      Paul, you were comparing Reagan numbers to Obama’s numbers! Why do you Obama haters not have the ability to assess the difference in what Reagan and bush II started with as opposed to what Obama started with???? Do you really believe that Obama was not faced with a more expensive situation than Reagan and bushes I and II began with?????? Remember that adult independents who knew the situation are watching your answer!!!!

      What weapons did Reagan EVER need that he didn’t have when Carter left office?? Did he still not inherit the most expensive , best trained and technologically advanced military in the universe??

      • Vicki

        Why do you claim we hate obama? We don’t. We dislike and object to his POLICIES.

      • Marty S.

        What your hero did though was the equivalent of dumping gasoline on an already raging fire. Now it seriously out of control and it appears this is exactly the result he is trying to achieve.

  • Mark-John

    Many are finally figuring out what a joke this whole thing is. While it is folly to say that the dem and the “pube” are “sides of the same coin” (that is ridiculous), they work in concert as the “Elites,” and we comply as the sheep.

    Wake up, People; it is no longer about “democrats” and “republicans”…it is about the “Them” (Elites) and the “Us” (the serfs who fund their Golden Parachutes).

    We’re being HAD, People…we’re being HAD.

    • DaveH

      It is not Folly to claim that the Democrats and Republicans are different sides of the same coin — the Progressive coin. They are both building Government ever-larger (Progressivism). One party is mostly Liberal Progressive and the other party is mostly Neocon Progressive.

  • hipshotpercusion

    While a lot of people in this once great country are struggling to pay their bills and put food on the table, these Bastards in both parties are spending money like drunken sailors. With apologies to drunken sailors. Maybe 2013 will be the year when once again they will fire the shot heard round the world.Keep pushing,DC!

    • Paul Wells

      Heh, Ronald Reagan once remarked, that even “drunken sailors quit spending…when they run out of their own money!”. That sums our situation up nicely! Our drunken sailors will never quit spending (other people’s money!).

      • Marty S.

        They’ll have to quit spending once the rest of the whirled figures out they been duped by the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Central Government into believing the dollar is worth anything. Once this crooked scheme is exposed and the dollar is no longer acceptable as payment in full for any international transactions in the future and losing its reserve status, then game over for the Spender-in-Chief and all his cronies from both parties. Let them spend themselves silly as the greenback will quickly become trash not cash. The sooner this happens the better. Who cares if the Republican Party is a goner it has been nothing but an extension of the Democraptic Party for decades anyways. They have proven their incompetence based on their inability to stand up against bullies both foreign and domestic and do the things they were elected to do. They are our employees and now it is time to fire them and replace them with those who are willing to stand up for the principles this nation was built on.

      • nc

        Paul, neither did Ronnie quit spending “other peoples’ money” He tripled the national debt of all the Presidents before him without having to fight a war while the people were paying more taxes than ever before!

      • DaveH

        Isn’t it funny to hear a Liberal Progressive whining about the increase of the National Debt under Reagan but then turning a blind eye to Obama’s National Debt increase?
        Reagan’s per annum increase in the National Debt — $220 Billion.
        Obama’s per annum increase in the National Debt — $1390 Billion.

        Obama increased the National Debt 6 times faster per year than Reagan did.

      • Paul Wells

        nc, always the one with revisionist history. Sure, Reagan (almost) tripled the debt, but to build our military back up after Carter cut the military to the point we could no longer defend ourselves. The fact that you left out is our GDP increased by a whopping 82%, which enabled us to significantly reduce debt and increase jobs. Wish your pet President could say the same, but GDP has increased a paltry 3% in his tenure. Of course, you rabid Obama apologists will never accept the facts as they are!

    • Nobody’s Fool

      You should have said they are spending money like drunken democRATS. Then no apology is needed for the sailors.

  • Lindy

    I will no longer support the Republican party. My vote will be cast for a third party conservative from now on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gregbeaty Greg Beaty

    The reasons I am leaving the Republican party and become an Independent is the direction the GOP has been heading for the past few years. Bye, Bye, GOP…

    • rick

      agree with you Greg,Iam leaving after 40 years to find a conservative party,I bet Republicans loose the House
      there are so many of us leaving

      • DaveH
      • Bob

        After what the republicans did to Ron Paul the don’t deserve to even be in existence and probably won’t be. How about a party that is physically conservative, socially liberal and respects the constitution?!!!! Quit taking our rights away and start giving them back please.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        I agree. It is past time to do away with both the Republican party and the Democratic party. Both are corrupt. Both are assisting in the destruction of our nation making those who head it traitors.

  • Michael J.

    So what are we too do? Write a letter to our Congressman and complain? Wait two, or four years to cast votes that are not counted and serve only as a source of amusement to the elites peering down upon us with a great belly laugh?

    Is it the greatest fear Of Congress that voters will now see through the smoke and mirrors to realize that they are now just subjects, relieved of the ability to effect change in the way we are governed. Cattle to be steered and manipulated with the best interest of the world’s first family in mind?

    • Iris D. Lynch

      Do? Certainly not what we have been doing! Instead read the book The Miracle of Self Power which advocates in clear terms HOW TO empower the individual. Self powered people DO NOT vote Democrat. Education is the key to change!

      • Robert Smith

        I thought it was indoctrination with school preying and keeping kids ignorant about anything that has to do with sex or science.

        Rob

      • edrankin

        i’ve joined the libertarian party and intend to do what i can to strengthen it.

      • Randy W

        Lynch: Are you paying Bob Livingston for your advertisement on his blog?

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “I thought it was indoctrination with school preying and keeping kids ignorant about anything that has to do with sex or science”.
        “preying”? Freudian Slip, right Robert? I don’t think you meant Preying (what Liberals might do), but rather Praying (what Conservatives might do).
        What the Liberal Progressives purposely keep kids ignorant about is Economics, and for good reason. If the masses understood Economics, they would understand how the Leaders and their Pals are stealing from the rest of us.
        Those who would like to remove their blinders can go here:
        http://academy.mises.org/departments/economics/

      • DaveH
      • alpha-lemming

        For once you’re right Rob…… bad news is you don’t even know why.

        It IS all about the “school preying (sic)”…. on the kids that is.

      • TIME

        Dear Alpha,

        Thanks that was a beauty!

        Peace and Love

      • Robert Smith

        “It IS all about the “school preying (sic)”…. ”

        I know the difference between preying and praying. I said what I wanted to.

        If it ain’t their own kids they shouldn’t try to indoctrinate them.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        BTW, thanks for picking up on it so those who didn’t can see what I meant.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Sure, Robert. You know you’re really kind of pathetic.
        Does “I thought it was indoctrination with school preying” sound like Robert meant anything other than “praying” to anybody else?

      • Robert Smith

        Awwwwwww DavidH, there you go trying to “interprit” what I post: ““I thought it was indoctrination with school preying” sound like Robert meant anything other than “praying” to anybody else?”

        You can go back through my posts over the last couple of years and see that when it comes to school praying I’ve often used “prey.”

        Like I said, you can indoctrinate YOUR kids any way you want, but when you prey on other peoples kids you are way out of line.

        The English language is my favorite toy. At parties it’s called “oralgami.” The folding of the English language. It’s a fun way to slip things by reich wingers while the rest of the room gets it.

        Rob

    • DaveH

      We could start right now by raising awareness for the 2016 Libertarian Candidate — Gary Johnson, and awakening people to the only truly Freedom Loving party — the Libertarian Party.
      Mostly the people need to be taught the concepts and benefits of Libertarian Principles, so they can make sure any future Libertarian Candidates aren’t sidetracked from those Principles.

      • DaveH
      • Capitalist at Birth

        Does Freedom loving include the violation of existing laws with an open border policy? If so I don’t think your brand of freedom will sell to the average American. That is exactly why the Libertarian party can never win a national election. Until they remove this policy from their party planks, people like me will never return.

      • Mikey

        Capitalist, If we return to a constitutional government, and follow existing laws, there will be no reason for illegals to come here illegally. When we remove incentives like entitlements, (free food and free medical care), educational grants (that US citizens can’t even get), not having to carry car insurance (like the rest of us), then they will be less motivated to come here illegally. It will then be in their best interest to play by the rules and migrate legally.
        Besides, if this were a more constitutional government, there would be more than enough jobs available, and the few that still came here illegally wouldn’t pose a threat.
        The illegal immigration issue is minor compared to the benefits of a Libertarian administration.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Mikey, There will never be a Libertarian administration for the open border policy which is paramount to the Libertarian Party. They also are not in tune with the realities of the world. What would a Libertarian do about a Choking off of the oil supplies to the world economy? Absolutely nothing. This would devastate the world economic system and we would fall into a deep depression. If you don’t think that it is necessary to provide safe and free trade through out the world then you believe that we can exist and live without trading with the rest of the world and it will have no affect. Sheer fantasy.

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Capitalist at Birth,

        You write: “There will never be a Libertarian administration for the open border policy which is paramount to the Libertarian Party.” I am not a member of the LP nor a shill for it, but I cannot let your lie go unchallenged. The Libertarian Party does not advocate open borders as you imply. I believe you have been corrected on this before. If so, and you continue to proclaim it, then you are a liar. From the platform:

        3.4 Free Trade and Migration

        We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to security, health or property.

        That does not sound like an open border policy to me.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Yes, Bob, Crony Capitalist has been corrected at least twice before by me.
        That is a pretty good indication that he has no interest in the truth.

      • DaveH

        There are some Libertarians who believe in unrestricted immigration, but to judge their views fairly would require learning what they really are and why. Libertarians long for a Free World, where the State plays a very minor role in our lives, and where people transact with each other voluntarily absent the Force of Big Government. We believe that we have a God-Given or Natural Right to control our own bodies and legally acquired Property. Given the Private Property Rights inherent in the Libertarian Agenda, no immigrants (or anybody else) would be Free to trespass on other peoples’ property. They would only be Free from the random harassment of the State.
        For a more in-depth treatment, read this:
        http://mises.org/journals/jls/22_1/22_1_3.pdf

      • Jason B

        http://www.constitutionparty.com/

        See thats why we fail. You guys think you are the only ones with the right ideas and the Constitution party thinks they are. There needs to be some give and take. I cant get behind the entire Libertarian platform but I can agree with a good chunk of it. Im sure you feel the same about the Constitution party, but at least if we worked together and formed one party we could be assured that we werent voting for pure evil.

      • DaveH

        The problem is, Jason, that we Libertarians are all about consistent Principles of Freedom. Our Principles can’t be compromised.
        So you’ll have to find somebody else to join your group.

    • Freedom Ranger

      Anyone who truly believes in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the principles of individual liberty and is a member of the republican or democrat party should re-register as a Independent. There are millions of us who are registered as republicans even though the party embraces everything we abhor. If all of us drop out of the party, it will weaken it to a point where it will collapse within itself. The ugly truth is the republican party has been taken over by Marxists/Socialists and works in tandem with the Marxist democrat party to destroy anyone or any group perceived as a threat to the status quo.

      • Vicki

        Instead of hiding in “independent” or “decline to state” why not choose one of the parties that truly supports the Constitution. The most well known one being the libertarian party.

        http://www.lp.org

  • Harold Olsen

    One of the reasons I quit the Republican party and became an Independent was the direction the GOP has been heading for more than a decade. They have been moving further and further left until they are almost indistinguishable from the Democrats. The Democrats are out and out liberals. Most of the Republicans are now liberals and the rest are, at best, left-leaning moderates. There are few, if any, conservatives left in the party, and that goes for the TEA party Republicans. The TEA party, this past election, showed themselves to be a mouthpiece for the Republican party when they made it clear they would support the Republican candidate no matter who it was or how liberal they were. I won’t have anything to do with either party nor the TEA party, who are no longer the independent grassroots movement they supposedly started out to be. Should the GOP field a truly conservative candidate for president (which is highly unlikely) I would probably support that candidate. Until that happens, I’m an Independent and I’ll stay and Independent and most likely vote third party. If that means the Democrats always win, so be it. The I way see it, it wouldn’t matter, since the two parties are just two sides of the same coin and are interchangeable. They may as well merge into a single party.

    • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

      People are entirely too attached to party labels and slogans that they can’t even make their decisions based on the people and policies anymore.

      Election after election, just listen to how they talk… they act as if only 2 parties exist.

      The only time they acknowledge the other parties, is just long enough to dismiss them without any serious consideration, to push them back in their mind where they can continue to pretend they don’t exist.

      To me, this is classic programmed/conditioned behavior.

      They only see 2 parties, and no matter how bad the person in their own party may be, they cling to their party identity so tightly, they cannot even seriously consider that ‘their’ guy does not best reflect their own interests.

      They are a , and so they’re going to vote and that’s all that matters. It doesn’t matter if the person they voted for, is in opposition to what the party’s lip-service goals are, or even in opposition to that voter’s own interests.

      At the same time, the person in the party will always be evil who will destroy the country and everything their party pays lip-service to, and since they are the biggest two parties, by design (ever look at the separate sets of rules they get to play by, while the other parties have to play by a different set? rules set up that obstruct the existence of them, while the 2 gov’t parties not only get favorable rules, but are themselves gov’t subsidized? but I digress…)… by design, they play on your fears of annihilation, claiming if you vote for any other party, then you’re voting for the other gov’t party who wants to destroy the country.

      and… OMG… I don’t wanna destroy the country by voting for the better guy, MY PARTY NEEDS ME!!!

      What rubbish…

      We Libertarians kept trying to warn you Republican Chicken Little’s out there… but you just wouldn’t listen…

      It isn’t your fault tho, and I don’t blame you… you were programmed that way… and most of you just aren’t strong enough to break free of your conditioning so you can think for yourself.

      Not being strong enough isn’t your fault either… our schools created you that way.

      Years from now, as you find your party more and more disappointing you, breaking their promises, and not standing up for you like they’re supposed to… just remember…

      We tried to warn you… but you just wouldn’t listen… so stop looking to other people to protect you, waiting for someone stronger to come along and fix things…

      You’ll be much better off, trying to make yourselves stronger, and better informed… and one day, just maybe, you’ll find yourselves able to finally break free of your programming, and realize how life affirming it really is, to finally be able to think for yourself, and choose for yourself, and understand… this is what ‘living’ is supposed to be about… and you’ll never, ever, settle, for merely ‘existing’ ever again…

      Good luck, you’re going to need it…

      – Smoov

      • DaveH

        It’s just laziness, Smoovious. It takes initiative to do some studying and dispel the Propaganda. It’s much easier to let others guide them around by the rings in their noses.

      • JeffH

        Smoovious, well said. I feel fortunate, to a point, that I never felt any allegiance to the 2 party system mainly because I don’t believe in them. My political activism started just a few short years ago because I was too busy working & running my life to fully devote myself to the politics of this country. I paid attention and moaned but was never active…until 2008.

        Being raised in California and watching and experiencing the demise of this once rich state that always lead the rest of the country in everything…I’ve learned just how destructive the political powers are. How power, greed and selfishness trumps common sense, responsibility and the rule of law. I always knew it was there but never realized just how damaging the political elite have become. The feds have taken all of this to a higher, national level.

        Marxism/Progressivism is slowly taking the USA down that road to all-out communism. The Republicans are just using a different path than the Democrats to get us there…destroying our Constitutional Republic and our Constitution along with it.

        I’m afraid Jefferson may have been right when he said this:

        “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. … God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” — Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787

        Most Americans may even be shocked to discover that Thomas Jefferson said such a thing and consider such a notion to be ‘treasonous.’

        Yet the Founders believed that traitors and tyrants have a penchant for slithering into positions in government unnoticed. There they engage in a covert, patient, and insidious course of action to gradually shift the government away from its core Constitutional principles.


        “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.” — Patrick Henry, Virginia’s Ratification convention, 1788


        “It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds.” — Samuel Adams

        “I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” — Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800. Inscribed in the Jefferson Memorial.

        “The right to revolt has sources deep in our history.” — Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas


        Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

        This is one of the reasons the Founders insisted on an armed citizenry as a means of keeping government power in check.

        “Perhaps it is time for the arrogant ones in government to back off, step back, take a deep breath, and carefully consider the consequences that their actions and statements may well produce among concerned citizens.”
        - Anthony Martin 4/2009

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Awesome post! 5 thumbs up!

      • TIME

        Dear Smoov,

        Thanks for a really well done post. Indeed you are correct.
        Saddly the comsology of todays rat & roach infested house of whores that most think is a Government is not what they either think of believe it is.

        We who have researched this twist of words fully understand that there is no such thing as a Republican, nor a Democrat, its simply the hard hand or hard hand in a thin see through glove or perhaps better said the ~ “Fascist Corporate Pigs”
        All with the same goals in mind just a differant road to get to the very same ends, all the while vast amount of ignorant programed idiots follow like sheep to slaughter..

        Saddly most Americans still just can’t understand that we are owned by the IMF and have been since 1938. ~ Will America as a whole ever wake up?

        I don’t think so saddly, so to you who are awake, May The Christ look after you and your familys. Peace and Love, Merry Christmas, & Happy Chanukah.

        Got your bus tickets yet people? We don’t have long ~ and ~ No its not the Mayan long coun you need worry about, ~ again for the record the Mayan LC ended in October 2011, Its not 12/21/12.

      • Jason B

        http://www.constitutionparty.com/ Libertarians arent the only ones out there. Both parties should compromise and work together. I personally think you Libertarians take it a bit too far on some things. A blending of the platforms that suits everyone who wants smaller government and more freedom is the only way to put the 2 party good ol boys club down.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        What’s the point of a Republican reboot?

        The Libertarians diverged for a reason ya know… merging with Conservatives will just once again alienate those who don’t agree with the social morality crap they’ve had to put up with already, which isn’t any of the government’s business in the first place.

        Those are the people who tend to lean Democrat, holding their noses while they vote for big government over and over, same as the fiscal minded people who hold their noses while they vote for the evangelical-backed Republicans.

        We _need_ to just focus on the fiscal issues and the limits our governments are supposed to stay within and not let ourselves continue to be repeatedly distracted over issues that should be left for free people to choose for themselves outside of governmental interference.

        – Smoov

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Nice Post!

      • America Rules

        Like Ron Paul, but distrust all Masons, and any party that allows the legalization of drugs, like the obamanation, is a total fraud to its people!
        You have all been played sheeple, and our time is running short.
        Embrace our Lord God, your family and all those you love.
        Fight against all evil so you and yours will survive, not here, but with our Lord.

      • GRusling

        It’s called “Herd Mentality” and republicans are as bad as democrats where it’s concerned. Too many on the right claim to be “individuals” with a strong desire to be left alone to make their own way, then scream like a stuck pig at the thought of losing their “Medicare” and “Social Security”, both of which are unsustainable and unconstitutional! What manner of “conservative” demands that their personal teat on the federal sow be maintained?

        It’s very difficult to discern any difference between the two wings of our republicrat political party, these days. Every Republican Senator (except Jim Demint, who didn’t vote at all) voted in favor of the NDAA and all supported renewal of the totally unconstitutional Patriot Act, so how can we tell them from the demonrats?

        We need a new conservative party and I don’t care what it’s called. We may not win much right away, but we can sure take the republicans out of the picture and eliminate the mess the GOP is making of everything. I don’t see how we have anything to lose since they don’t represent our viewpoint to begin with. I’d rather start something new my children and grandchildren can someday finish, to restore our Constitutional Republic…

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Try 1988 with the nomination of George H. W.

    • Melody

      What did Lenin say:
      “The way to control the opposition is to lead it”

      The Tea Party has been taken over just like the Republican Party.

  • Marty S.

    Well written and worthwhile article. The Republican establishment should take notice and realize that they have left us. It is time for a replacement party worthy of liberty-minded freedom-loving Americans. We can replace them in the 2014 mid terms and stop this insanity.

    • Vicki

      And that party already exists. http://www.lp.org

      • Mikey

        Vicki,
        You are absolutely right, and the GOP will stop at nothing to suppress the Libertarian message. The good news, is that more and more people are waking up.

      • Jason B

        The problem is, that while many conservatives agree with a lot of the Libertarian platform, there are aspects of it that they just cant get behind, there for you have, http://www.constitutionparty.com/. That said, the two parties, along with real tea party activists, need to compromise, and form a 3rd party composed of all of them if they want to compete. There is enough common ground there, that if freedom loving people really want to make changes in this nation we have to come together, give and take and go at the corruption full force.

      • Bob

        Good idea Jason too bad the reps and dems are so paid off by lobbyist and just want to take our rights away! Don’t you just love how all competing parties are blocked out? That alone should be enough to dump our so called two party system (one party would be more correct since they have the same objectives). Lock down is coming soon at a FEMA camp near you might as well get in line for the holocost of americans. Does anyone give a sh……..t?

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        They don’t call them “FEMA Camps”, they call them “Human Habitats” – Agenda 21

      • Robert Smith

        Mikey says: “You are absolutely right, and the GOP will stop at nothing to suppress the Libertarian message.”

        And they are into supressing the vote with their antics thwarting registration to vote for minorities.

        What have they done to supress the votes of the extreme right? Please be specific.

        Rob

      • DaveH

        As usual, Robert, you make no sense.

      • old hillbilly

        Votes will be earned in the future. Any voting for Boehner leadership or humbling to lemming loyalty will lose my vote and public comments. For sure, any who chose Boehners cliff over the Obama abyss of more unrestrained trillions of debt spending to his brotherhood, illegals, etc. will be exposed & deposed by vote & opposition

    • http://www.facebook.com/shary.metrocavage Shary Metrocavage

      I do not agree that GOP has left us. We left them. I could not find anything in common with bunch of men and women who did not have the courage to stand for anything. I am sorry to say that we are also wrong about what we consider ourselves. I am very much conservative and do not believe in all its principals, however social conservatism means that do not ask the government to put regulation on family values. Therefore, we need to ask the government to get out. That includes car insurance, abortion, marriage, business license and host of other laws. I cannot walk ten steps outside my house without breaking the law. I have to pay so much money for water that God provides and cannot remove tree that destroys my house and make it impossible to grow food in my yard. Well intentioned people who have one fear; that is going when God has asked you to, are putting Marshall Law on others. I am for Liberty and Freedom; Use this slogan and you will get 75% who are for that.

      • Walt

        I am a 71 year young conservative and the essence of your article is exactly why my wife and I moved out of the country 3 years ago. We have more freedom living in an emerging 3rd world country than we did in the US. Not to mention the fact that living on our meager SS makes us rich in this country. If we stayed in the US, we would be living in a cardboard box under a bridge. We will continue to pray that God doesn’t finally say: Ok, you want Me to leave, then I will. We still love our country, but are disgusted with those that are running it. God Bless America!!!!

      • DaveH

        Chile?

      • Butch

        Walt, what country did you choose?

      • TIME

        Dear Walt,

        Good for you Walt..

        Whats really good to see is that anyone who drops out will find the same results as Walt has. The only draw back is {when} ~ the “SHTF” and it will very soon as any of you who have really researched into this mess know that’s true.
        The SS Funds will be cut off, ~ { so please watch your backs } if thats what you’re doing or have done.
        ( Get very frendly with the native people, like family close.)

        Dave,
        Chile is rather expensive for just SS payments, Chile a very well off nation ~ please do keep in mind that our >special Intel units < are down there working over time to disrupt that nation along with all other "FREE" ~ Nations of South America.

        ** Peace and Love ~ ** Merry Christmas, ** Shalom ~ Happy Chanuka

        Everyone Got your bus tickets yet? Its getting very close to the cut off point.
        The 7th King has noted he is going to "RETIRE" in April 2013 for health reasons, note that "two Trumpets" will sound before that event, and after the 4th Trumpet the Bus tickets get cut off.
        Please people, I not only implore, but beg you to understand what that means for your soul.

    • Robert Smith

      Marty says: “We can replace them in the 2014 mid terms and stop this insanity.”

      Ummmm…. May I make a small point here?

      It was the VOTERS who got rid of the right wing nuts in the last election.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        And which “right wing nuts” were those, Robert?
        What made them right wing? Because they attempted to stop your hand from entering their pockets?

      • Mikey

        Since it was posted by Robert Smith, the “right wing nuts” would be anybody that dislikes socialism or fascism.

      • Robert Smith

        Doesn’t matter.

        The VOTERS spoke.

        Rob

      • phideaux

        “It was the VOTERS who got rid of the right wing nuts in the last election.”

        RS nothing has changed. obama is president, the dems have a very small majority in the senate and the Republicans have a majority in the house all just like the last two years. If the voters have said anything it is that gridlock is preferable to the government being able to push through anything the government wants no matter what the people they supposedly represent want.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        “Doesn’t matter.

        The VOTERS spoke.”

        This is why we prefer to live in a Constitutionally LIMITED Republic such as what was the United States of America.

        “Would you tell me please, Mr. Howard… why should I trade one tyrant 3,000 miles away for 3,000 tyrants one mile away” http://www.hark.com/clips/tqqkkllkfk-3000-tyrants-one-mile-away

        Tyranny of the majority is STILL tyranny.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Thanks DaveH, my thoughts exactly.
        I doubt if the Leftists have any qualms that they are stealing from another human being who has a hard enough time suppoting his own family.
        Robert Smith thinks workers should believe it is a religious privilege to attach parasites to their backs.

      • Bob

        I guess the voting public is just a little dumbed down as well as most other americans including you possibly. We elected a dictator and gave him the Noble Peace Prize for what?

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        “We” did not give him the noble Peace prize.

      • Deerinwater

        Right! He was awarded it by someone other then Us. (With hopes he’d aspire to peace)

        Like everything else, ~you can find debate. It’s more difficult to defend what did not happen than what has.

        Example; 43 is offered credit for preventing more Terrorist attacks on US main land,

        while 44 is not offered credit for the avoidance of US troops on the ground in Libya.

        Both debatable, ~ while I enjoy debate, a winnable debate is more rewarding.

    • ALL AMERICAN

      AMEN !!!
      Let’s get’er done !

    • mudguy

      The only place we need gun control is for the GOP, CINO establishment because they keep shooting themselves in their feet and each other. There is no difference right now between the GOP,CION and the Democrats. I will not support the CINO’s any more. Until they realizes that you can not negotiate with the Liberal Democrats they will never save our country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        What makes you think that they want to save our country? Both the Repbulican and Democratic parties have been corrupt for a long time, working against the USA and the American people.

    • http://wildblue.net Bungal

      We see some comments and they give 3rd Party candidate support. Why do we always have those that reject facts in elections? Obama is about as far left as Putin; Chavez; or Castro and yet, instead of seeing the light and seeing that supporting someone moderate could lead, someday to a third party Conservative elect, they toss their vote? I am fully sure that Obama won because some Republicans stayed home and many 3rd Party gave their vote away. The real shows that there was corruption and it was reported before the election. Two States were mentioned and it was Ohio and Florida. Now if this were for a Constitution supporting President and if it were shown as in the Gore vs Bush that it was totally legal by Florida and our own Constitution, great! No wrong done.

      The wrong was that we elected the worst of the worst as far as keeping our freedoms and I am not talking about finances or economy but our own Constitutional rights. We see the attack our our Second Amendment after the attack on our real freedom of choices with Obama care. It should be our choice and not some Fed reject!

      I have a good question for Republican candidates and that is simple. We heard from the Obama Election Committee and from Liberal Media that there was racism, correct? That many may vote against Obama for his race! Why did you not soak the media and the fact that Obama is not black? His mother was not black. You should of been with my ideas using the facts. We are voting to keep our Constitutional freedoms we all have given to preserve! If a President came from Altair 4, 350 light years away and was able to confuse the system, what only matters is our rights and freedoms! Race does not matter although I would love to see a women of honor of black decent become President. We do need that! A very honorable and Conservative lady!

      We note that the media is extremely bias in moving away from our free choices. We only have one and that is Fox News that support honor. If Conservatives want to be elected they need media support and we can only have this one way! We need to expose the lies of the Liberal Media and with total convictions to this!

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