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1st Amendment Does Not Guarantee Freedom From Religion

December 5, 2012 by  

1st Amendment Does Not Guarantee Freedom From Religion
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Educators in a North Carolina school district and a (so-called) 1st Amendment “expert” have problems with comprehension.

At West Marion Elementary School, a first grader was asked to write a poem about veterans for the school’s Veteran’s Day program. The girl, whose identity has not been revealed in the media, wrote one about her two grandfathers’ service in Vietnam. In it she wrote, “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength.”

A parent objected to the use of the word “God.” So after a discussion between school Principal Desarae Kirkpatrick, Vice Principal Nakia Carson and McDowell County School Superintendent Gerri Martin, the girl was banned from reading her poem in the program.

“We wanted to make sure we were upholding the school district’s responsibility of separation of church and state from the Establishment Clause,” Martin said.

“After consulting with the Superintendent, Dr. Martin, we jointly decided that we must err on the side of caution to prevent from crossing the line on the Establishment Clause of the Constitution,” Kirkpatrick said. “As a principal of a public school, I must put aside my personal religious beliefs and follow the law, which upholds that we have freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but that we, as public schools, cannot endorse one single religion over another.”

But Martin did not uphold “the school district’s responsibility” equally. Other McDowell County schools were allowed to hold programs containing student writings with the word “God” in them. When asked why, Martin said it was because those schools did not ask for a consultation about their program.

“Courts have consistently held up the rights for students to express themselves unless their speech is disruptive to the school,” said Ken Paulson, president and CEO of the First Amendment Center in Washington, D.C. “When the little girl wrote the poem and included a reference to God she had every right to do that. The First Amendment protects all Americans. She had every right to mention God, (but) that dynamic changed when they asked her to read it at an assembly. When a public school knows there’s going to be a reference to religion then there is a problem and they have to address it. The reason for these restrictions is to prevent the government from endorsing a specific faith or religion. So public schools have to steer clear of religious references.”

That’s quite a liberal misinterpretation of the 1st Amendment, which says, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech…”

A public school is not Congress. The 1st Amendment does not guarantee freedom from religion, but it does guarantee that little girl the right to express her belief.

The rights of that girl were trampled in the name of political correctness by ignorant school administrators.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • alice cole

    This little girl was not “bringing religion into the school”, she was reading her essay. She was not holding a religious ceremony, only presenting her requested assignment. Freedom of speech allows one to speak of God, Buddha, Satan or the Wizard of Oz. There is a big difference in reading an essay and teaching religion, which is what the Separation of Religion and State refers to. This parent took it way too far, and the school board needs to recognize the difference.

  • brett

    “when the virginia bill for establishing religious freedom was finally passed, a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “jesus christ” so that it read ” a departure from the plan of jesus christ, the holy author of our religion.” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the jew and the gentile, the christian and the mahometan, the hindoo and infidel of every denomination.” -thomas jefferson: autobiography, 1821.
    the 1st amendment was modeled on this bill. mantel of protection implies both the freedom of and from religion, even for non- believers.

    “no religious reading, instruction or exercise, shall be prescribed or practiced inconsistent of any religious sect or denomination.” -thomas jefferson: elementary school act, 1817.
    bit if a slippery slope here, but definitely covers prayer, and under god, in public schools.

    i do not have access to my library nor do i feel like taking the time to look it up, but if you refer to the library of congress and request the minutes from the meeting drafting the constitution, you will learn for yourself why god is deliberately left out of the document.

  • don

    The Garden is full of weeds, it’s time to weed the garden

    • ranger09

      Don, no problem, Just ring the bell, because we have plenty of sheep out there.

  • Karolyn

    “God” is not specific to religion but is a universal word for some type of all encompassing intelligence. I heard about this case the same day, since I live near Charlotte. It’s another ridiculous edict by overly cautious administration and a bad call by a parent who takes herself and her views too seriously.

    • steve

      you talk about god but never use his name. yehweh , english jehovah. how come?

      • Karolyn

        What’s in a name? It is only a word conferred onto a concept by man.

      • steve

        so why do you go by karolyn. why not go by moron?

      • Karolyn

        Nobody is their name. It is just another label to differentiate us from one another.

    • Charlie

      Karolyn,,,
      What does The Bible say about becoming a “follower” of King Jesus Christ???
      What does Matthew 6:9–13 say??? is the term “Father”,male or female???
      When you find your way out of Heathenville ,,,read a few history books… The Bible, is a History Book…. What does Public Law 97-280 say?… Meanwhile………………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • Deerinwater

        So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

      • ranger09

        WELL ONE THING IS FOR SURE THE BIBLES WERE WRITTEN BY MEN SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THEY ARE FICTIONAL WRITINGS, OTHERS BELIEVE THEY ARE TRUE ACCOUNTS. BUT EITHER WAY ALL WRITERS WANT A BEST SELLER. all we see today is the bad, we see very little good.

  • Paul Kleiser

    That girls right to free speach trumps ones right not to be affended. Oh, by the way, since is it a right not to be affended???

    • 45caliber

      Paul:

      The government decided there was a right to not be offended (by religion) when they realized it would give them the ability to restrict religion in defiance of the 1st Amendment.

    • Vigilant

      Paul, you are 100% correct. No Constitutional provision was ever intended to encroach upon or conflict with another, for obvious reasons. The provisions within the First Amendment do NOT conflict with one another.

      In over two centuries of our Constitutional Republic, it has been made clear, sometimes painfully so, that the point of the First Amendment is to protect the rude, the profane, the blasphemous, even the crude and obscene, and that individual or even community standards are powerless, for the most part, to assail this speech in courts of law.

      Were it not guaranteed, we would have the right to take pundits of the left and the right off our TV screens because we are “offended” by their speech. If we can prevent a little girl from reciting a poem, we can just as easily censor Bill Maher or Pat Robertson from the airwaves. Universities would have to stop issuing invitations to controversial speakers of any political/religious persuasion. O’Reilly and Rachel Maddow would both have to go. Etc., etc., etc.

      The girl has the right to read her poem, and the misanthrope has the option to be offended, but that’s as far as it goes.

    • Vicki

      Paul. ANYONE has the right to not be offended. They also have ALL THE POWER to not be offended.

      Some of them use the power of government to force us to do as they will using the excuse that they are offended even though it is THEY who have all the power to NOT be offended.

  • Ann

    Bob,
    As DavidL already stated, the phrase taken out of context doesn’t tell much about the situation. Also, your article doesn’t tell whose parent objected to the poem and what religious belief this person had. Many public schools in America violate first amendment by obvious establishment of atheism as a dominate religious belief.
    Unfortunately, your article doesn’t have enough information to conclude that in this specific case the student’s right to free speech has been indeed violated and there were no indication of the Christian missionary in the poem.

  • Sgt. York

    my question is are the schools in NC government run or are they state and local run? If state and local how in heck do feel they ave to separate religion from government. This im afraid is just another ploy to get God out of all things and bet your last dollar O’Vomit and his commie party are behind it. Another move toward Communism and a dictator ship.

    • Vigilant

      Schools are generally run by state governments, as per the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. Unconstitutional federal encroachment has been going on in this area since Brown v. Board of Education in the 1950s.

      These idiot school officials should take a page from the very state constitution under which they operate:

      PREAMBLE:

      “We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.”

      • Vigilant

        BTW, according to the school officials’ own cockeyed views, the public reading of the North Carolina Constitution would be disallowed.

      • ranger09

        WE THE PEOPLE. DAMN WONDER WHAT THAT MEANS.

  • dan

    ….and yet they can’t get the notion of “shall not be abridged’.
    You can’t have UNALIENABLE RIGHTS without a god to grant them…and THE God
    (Creator of the Universe grantor of those rights to His creation)
    demands first that we have no other gods before HIM….
    deny Him and reap the consequences.
    Just refer to them as little accidents of the universe and treat accordingly.

  • ob Rice

    Horton,you are an Ass Hole like those so called teachers and school board members…keep youir athesist feelings to yourself…

    • Rick N

      Yeah Horton, what makes you think you can share your opinions? I mean really, do you think you have some kind of right to free speech or something? Where do you think you are anyway — America? This post is about the good people’s first amendment rights, so you shut the heck up about your beliefs. Geez….

  • DavidL

    Bob,

    What did the girl mean when she wrote “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength”? This statement, as you have presented it, is ambiguous. Was she quoting her grandfather who told her that while fighting in Vietnam he very often sought help from God? If so, the school is wrong and her constitutional right to free speech has been violated. If you know, what is its full context?

    • Vigilant

      There is no real ambiguity at all. “He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength” is a declarative statement in the third person. It is describing someone else’s action.

      Is “George Washington prayed to God” an endorsement of Christianity? No, it is a declarative statement in the third person.

      Even if the girl said, “I prayed to God” in the first person, it is a declarative statement about something she historically did. It is a far cry from saying “everyone should pray to God.”

      These school officials, at least one of whom is a PhD, don’t even have a rudimentary understanding of the English language.

      • DavidL

        It may be clear to you, but it certainly is not clear to me. I would like to read her entire poem. Let us not assume that Bob has given us a correct excerpt. If this is a first grade student the poem can’t be very long. Give us the whole thing.

      • Ann

        You are absolutely right. Without having the context of the poem, this entire conversation is no different than radical left discussions when they argue with arguments they want to argue instead of real ones.

      • Vigilant

        “At a McDowell County Board of Education meeting last week, employee Chris Greene said, “We had one parent concerned with the use of the word God in this program. This parent did not want the word God mentioned anywhere in the program. When the demand from this person was heard, the rights of another stopped. It did so by hushing the voice of a six-year-old girl.”

        http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html

        There you have it. The mere MENTION of the word “God” was the motivation of the (no doubt) atheist who protested, context be damned.

      • Vigilant

        AND, as I posted above, according to the school officials’ own cockeyed interpretation, even the public reading of the North Carolina Constitution would be disallowed.

      • moonbeam

        Vigilant – I guess this parent who objected to God being mentioned didn’t get the memo of what happened to that lovely person, Madelain O’Hare, who had the bible taken out of the schools. Not sure they found all the pieces.

  • steve

    where’s the NAACP when you need them? all of this political correctness is caused by lovers of satan. we live in a world control by satan yet know one really know’s this or cares. read 1john 5;19. once you come to grips with who is in control then everything else will make sense.

    • moonbeam

      The NAACP ain’t worth a damn. They only come to your aid when you join them and pay money to belong to their organization. Try it. Go to them with a problem and the first thing they want to know is if you are a member. Been there done that.

      • Karolyn

        Oh, really? You know you’re talking about the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, right?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “moonbeam” – YOU ARE ON POINT!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn” – MA’AM, I THOUGHT YOU KNEW – BY, NOW – MANY NEGROES DO NOT RESPECT NAACP.

    • steve

      your right k. i just thought with obama being the big bro they might help the child out. and since obama was a black pres will his white side take over four the next 4 yrs

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “steve” – EVEN IF, HIS “white side” TOOK OVER I WILL NEVER LIKE [OR, TRUST] THE KENYAN. THE FACT THAT BIRACIAL PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO “FLIP-FLOP,” ALWAYS MAKES THEM, “SUSPECT AND TREASONOUS”

    • ranger09

      Steve, Makes sense. Look around as to what is happening in the world, all you see is the Devil at work, and as for God i sure wish he would get here soon.

    • Charlie

      steve,,,1 John 5:19 speaks of the “Jurisdictions” on planet earth ,,,jurisdiction means the Authority of Law /law ,one claims to be under … Notice , verse 18 speaks of the “Jurisdiction” of King Jesus Christ… Verse 19 speaks of the jurisdiction of the evil one…
      Now,the word “jurisdiction” is only used once in the entire Bible because the word jurisdiction has a Primary meaning and a secondary meaning…The primary meaning is “Authority of Law” ,,,the secondary meaning is Venue or geographical location …
      Negroes should learn the Authority of Law issue real well , because most whites and others cannot tell you what their jurisdiction is,,,almost every time they will tell you their Venue… The split meaning of jurisdiction is a court room trick that is used on the ignorant everyday in American Court Rooms that have evil Judges…
      King Jesus tells you what “Jurisdiction” to get into at Matthew 6:9–13, and many other places ………… Meanwhile…………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • http://N/A Charles Inglett

    “Congress shall make no law… to prohibit the free excercise” of religon but nine men in robes backed by lawyers in the ACLU can make the excercise of your rights unlawfull. Free excercise doesn’t mean you have to stuff what you believe in a bottle and cork it until you are safely in the church. It means you have the right to excercise ( ” something performed or practiced in order to develope, improve or display a specific power or skill.”) Kill the ability to excercise and the skill will atrophy.

  • MD

    That’s too bad. Those who preach tolerance and diversity are among the most intolerant I’ve ever met. The athiest who wants to be able to say he doesn’t believe there is a God seems unwilling to allow someone else to say they do.

  • Brad L, Phoenix

    Mankind has learned that a cancer must be eliminated from the body or it will consume the body resulting in death. The anti-religious cancer that is readily apparent throughout our society addresses this point exactly. Either God is the cancer and must be eliminated or those that oppose God are the cancer. Just look around you, is the elimination of God and a moral standard for society to live up to the problem or is the other side of the equaion the answer. Your choice.

    • Karolyn

      There really can be balance.

      • http://wildblue.net bungal

        A balance? I hear this and wonder, is balance letting other tell us we are responsible for what someone else does? Our schools, which, because they are Liberal and gave us all the bad, including school shootings, refuse to address responsibility! When I was young and in school we had a “Mr. Nobody!” It was to show that what we do, accept we did it! If one supports the same in politics, does it matter? They simply look for others to take the blame, which means all of our society! We either have honor or we do not. We either pass the point of being a mental child and saying, “yes, it was I that did what I did!”

        I am not into what Obama’s ideas are. I do not think Americans who are innocent of an act should pay for pimps and their workers for abortions and this is going on! It is documented and on video!

        I have not been to any Doctor or Dentist in 6 years. Should I be forced to pay for others who kill themselves? I am a healthy 67 year old. Medically I pay nothing as I am healthy! Why should I pay for stupid is that stupid does?

      • Karolyn

        We are our brother’s keeper.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        No and No

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – And just what do you think gives you the right to decide you are another’s keeper?

        The last person I want to be kept by is YOU.

      • Charlie

        Karolyn,,,To know and obey the orders of King Jesus Christ , is to be “IN” balance ,,,BUT,,, to move against the Satanic forces one must be “Off” balance to swing the sword of truth… SO,,, don’t assume every one knows this balance thing you write of…
        BC will always overbalance PC in the long haul ,,so,, We have Mental ,Physical and Spiritual balance… All must harmonize and be in balance with The King’s Law Book….
        Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • Motov

    I blame the PC crowd for their incessant whining about “God”. What do they want? Would it please them if we started talking backwards?, Or praise Satan instead?
    They (Those PC people) need to pull their collective heads outta their butts, It is because of “Christian Principles” we have the Constitution. The Constitution promotes individual rights and responsibilities, just as Christ expects the same from each and every believer.

    • Michael J.

      Motov said,
      “I blame the PC crowd”
      As well you should, for it is Political Correctness that was designed as a weapon to destroy western society.

  • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.sevene Eugene Sevene-THE PATRIOT

    Face it people our freedoms are gone and no one is going to do anything about the one man who is bent on taking them but complain. We will not talk Iran out of making an atomic bomb, and we will not talk Obama out of taking our freedoms.If talking is the only action we are willing to talk, we have already lost. In our schools we won’t let the minority rule.

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      Well???

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      Ignorance is the peoples demise! The election of Obama had more to do with the Communist Party and the MOB than anything! Remember the lying Warren Report that did not allow FBI files? The CIA used the International MOB in getting information. Americans had no right to see the FBI files. Wire taps and videos, of even Oswald! Why did we not have access to these until the “Freedom of Information Act” gave us these facts? We can only conclude that Oswald was promised citizenship in Cuba if he carried out the directive. A wire tap between Detroit and Louisiana gave the following. “If you get the head, you get the tail!” It means, take out JFK and another will be appointed as Attorney General! Bobby had the MOB nailed in the South! The video released shows Oswald exercising with the MOB cronies!

      We have come a long way in the wrong direction. I was a member of local 659, the largest UAW local in the world. Behind the local was a MOB bar! It was owned by the Detroit MOB!
      Our worldwide MOB does not care who is in office as they will use corruption to get what they want. I am totally sure that the MOB influence in the Unions gave Obama the Presidency. Michigan voters gave all but 3 Counties to Romney and yet it went to Obama? Corruption, anyone?

    • Charlie

      Eugene,,,shut up!!! your mealy mouth mouse whining heathen talk,,, become a Christian per The Bible , Acts 2:38, then your eyes can see The Power and Plan of King Jesus Christ … Learn The Orders of King Jesus Christ and His Men as written in The Holy Bible and Pray for your rank to be revealed in The King’s Army , also Pray Matthew 6:9–13 to stay in tune with “The Power Vibrations”…Pray it at least once a day… Meanwhile…………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • http://Yahoo.com Cessna

    The pathetic Godless left seems to think that its ok for kids in school hallways & classrooms to use the Lords name in vain, but just let a kid try and use it in a poem & guess what!
    Those who use it in vain ought to be suspended, then what do you think the parents would say?

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      I do not belong to any Liberal supporting or Communist supporting organization. I am a senior and therefore I do not belong to the AARP! They told me that supporting abortion on demand was a senior fight?

      I remember when I was in school we had spit wads and flying paper planes. Funny how the paper planes had some very good designs. Now we have guards in our schools, how wonderful! A few extra jobs. The Liberals do not accept they are supporting foolishness! If they seem to be wrong, in their mind, they still continue on the same path. I remember a way to tell if someone has a mental disease is that they keep supporting the same thing in the same way, and yet get the same results, expecting another!

      Is it not time we wake up and see what is happening? The next thing on the Liberal agenda is to give Communist China our jobs in the wind energy industry! Yes, it is going there! As I said before and will again, the reason Obama choose Hillary is our Second Amendment! The reason why some voted for Obama are 3! Ignorance of our American History and our Constitution, which would be some in our black community. Even actor Morgan Freedom was ignorant, not knowing why blacks did not have their rights years ago. It was a Liberal Supreme Court!!! We had to pass Amendments and have Presidential decrees to stop it! The second reason is Communist control. Obama’s supporters are Putin; Chavez; and Castro. We hear nothing much from China as our jobs go there to a Godless and freedom needing Government.. Our hearts go out to the Chinese people as we just saw the appointment of Government leaders that with no vote!

      I would of never met with Obama, if I were Romney. Obama did it to suggest he wanted some info to go forward! He already knows what is next and that is taking more of our rights as Americans! Hillary agreed to the UN idea that honorable non-felon citizens in the US should not have the right to protect themselves. But we can give guns to the Mexican Drug Pins and have an agent killed by the same guns in the drug cartel.. thanks to Obama!

    • Karolyn

      Please stop with the damn generalizations! You do realize that their are conservatives who don’t believe in God? Oh, my! And liberals who are Christians? Gasp!

    • LTCB

      Those that complain ENDORSE the existence of God because, if He does not exist, who cares? So, if I curse in the name of a god that does not exist, no one should complain. Equally, if I bless and praise the God that does exist, why do you care? It’s MY GOD right? You don’t believe so, move along. If God’s name did not have power, they would not be afraid of it. If His name did not have authority, they would not try to avoid it. The name of Jesus, alone, can change lives (and has).

      • Charlie

        LTCB,,, good point,,,so,, Meanwhile We will continue to………………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • jr drake

    There is soon coming a day when every person who ever lived will confess that Jesus is Lord and King of Kings. All these people who hide behind there misinterpretation of our Constitution, because they won’t stand up for God, and some even sorta admit they don’t agree with the interpretation, but they take the easy road and take a stand against God, will be just as guilty. You can argue with God and give Him your excuses……..All this anti-God talk is Bibilical and it will get worse, but Jesus is coming soon and HE will straighten everything out……Stand firm Christians and wait upon the Lord…….JR

    • larry ryan

      Always liked the (now old) bumper sticker that reads: Jesus is coming and wow is he pissed.

      • Hedgehog

        I always preferred the one that said;”You May Not Believe in GOD, But GOD Believes In You!”

      • ranger09

        larry, heres a better one. If God is coming,he must be riding a bicycle,for the Devil is here and he drives a MB

    • Charlie

      jr drake,,, while you are waiting on The Lord,,,We will be doing and / or trying to accomplish what King Jesus and His Men said to do in His Law Book… Meanwhile………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • TIME

    Dear People,

    We are all broken in some way, saddly many are broken far beyond any form of repair, Thus they are with out any form of SOUL nor The Higher Self.

    As this nation was indeed founded on the platform of “FREEDOM” of speach / choice, if one is offended by such, then they should find a nation that allows no form of “FREEDOM” to exist.

    Its really quite simple, “FREEDOM” hold’s a massive burden of allowing others to offend ~ and that’s what {Ture Freedom} is based on. Thus one can not abridge such as its nature.

    Peace & Love Merry Christmas ~God Bless ~ May the Creator grant all of you the ability to view the beauty of Love and nature, as well to understand that we are all connected by that LOVE. “Positive Energy begets Positive Results.”

    Only when we understand that ~ can we move forward to a higher level of being.

    • Vicki

      TIME writes:
      “Its really quite simple, “FREEDOM” hold’s a massive burden of allowing others to offend ~ and that’s what {Ture Freedom} is based on. Thus one can not abridge such as its nature.”

      Another way to look at the situation is that the person who is offended has ALL THE POWER to STOP being offended. I can not offend someone who chooses to NOT be offended.

      Observed in this light the burden of freedom is trivial to carry.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “TIME,”

      SIR, I THINK YOU KNOW I RESPECT YOU, WITH FONDNESS.

      BUT, I WILL UTILIZE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE PERFECT! DURING THIS SEASON, YOU ARE CLOSING YOUR COMMENTS WITH, “Merry Christmas.”

      WHAT ABOUT THE Personal Libertarians WHO DO NOT CONSIDER 25 DECEMBER TO BE A DAY OF REVERENCE? HOW DO YOU THINK THEY FEEL ABOUT YOUR CLOSING?

      • Vicki

        Since they are in FULL control of how they feel it doesn’t really matter what he thinks.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        I HAVE NO “REALISTIC” PROBLEM WITH, “TIME’s,” CLOSING.

        I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THIS IS A LIBERTARIAN SITE. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LIBERTARIANS CONSIDER IT TO BE IMPORTANT TO LET RELIGIOUS REPUBLICANS KNOW THAT THEIR VALUES HAVE DESTROYED THE PARTY IN OUR CONTEMPORARY TIME.

        RELIGION MUST REMAIN “BEHIND CLOSE DOORS,” IF REPUBLICANS WANT “TRACTION” WITH THE PUBLIC.

      • Motov

        I think they simply don’t want you “cramming your religion down other people’s throat” so to speak, Many people talk the walk,… but if you let your walk do the talking, then you got it. I discovered everybody has a point of view of God, and this nation allows us to have our own point of view of God, That’s what freedom of religion is all about

      • Motov

        Or better put,… One cannot legislate morality, obviously you cannot run around murdering people, but you shouldn’t legislate about alcohol consumption, (unless you jump in a car and run people over, ) but for the most part people drink responsibly, same is true for other substances like pot. That should be left up to the individual to decide. Pot is far less dangerous than alcohol, and making people criminals because they prefer to get high over drunk is just plain stupid. Keep the jail cells for people like most of the politicians, I think many of their next terms should be spent in jail anyways,… and not jails with golf courses either!

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – Bottom line: we have the right to say anything we want.

        There is no Constitutional guarantee against being offended. That is another governmental overstep to try to limit our free expression.

        If anyone is offended by these things, …well, TOO BAD. Get over it.

        NO MAN HAS THE RIGHT TO ASSUME AUTHORITY OVER ANOTHER.

        You sound more like a progressive liberal all the time. I’m beginning to think you used your claim to be conservative as a tactic to draw people in, and now you are coming out with these kinds of comments, which… I FIND OFFENSIVE.

        Do I have the right to tell you that you can’t speak? Think about it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I AM SADDENED YOU FEEL THAT WAY.

        I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND I AM A NEGRO REPUBLICAN. BECAUSE I AM FINANCIALLY COMFORTABLE, I SUPPORT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

        I WAS RAISED IN A NEGRO MISSIONARY-BAPTIST CHURCH IN RURAL MISSISSIPPI. BECAUSE NEGRO PREACHERS CONSTANTLY SAID, “HOMOSEXUALS WILL BURN IN HELL,” I BECAME DISILLUSIONED WITH THE CHURCH. DURING MY EARLY-TEENAGE YEARS, I BEGAN QUESTIONING THE EXISTENCE OF DEITIES. AT EIGHTEEN, I BECAME ATHEIST.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, NEGRO REPUBLICANS ARE DIFFERENT FROM CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS. I HAVER NEVER CONSIDERED MYSELF TO BE CONSERVATIVE. AS A NEGRO, I CAN NOT SEPERATE MYSELF T-O-T-A-L-L-Y FROM THE NEGRO COMMUNITY – IT IS A PART OF ME. YES – I FULLY ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I LOOK IN THE MIRROR, I BECOME SAD; I D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E-L-Y WANT TO BE
        “W-H-I-T-E!!!!!” BUT, I MUST “PLAY THE CARDS I WAS DEALT.”

        I VOTED FOR Governor Gary Johnson BECAUSE I FELT HE SPOKE TO NEGROES LIKE, ME.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE ME – IT HAS N-E-V-E-R BEEN MY GOAL TO “draw people in” ON THIS SITE.

        “Kate8″ – TO BE FRANK – YOU HURT MY FEELINGS. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS SITE WHO COULD HAVE MADE YOUR COMMENTS; I WOULD HAVE IGNORED THOSE PEOPLE.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – You know the saying, “the grass is always greener on the other side”.

        We are all dealt certain cards, we all carry our burdens. I’m sorry to hear that you are not happy being who you are. Believe me when I tell you that most people of ANY color are not happy being who they are…

        I am deeply saddened that life has left this impression on you.

        We must all find value in being who we are, and love ourselves. When we discover that place deep within where our soul meets the Divine, everything changes…we then understand Love in a way that goes beyond emotion…and we find wholeness. It is the peace which passeth understanding. We are then in acceptance, and when we cease our need to control life and other people, we find true peace with ourselves and with life. This transcends race, age, belief, status, or any other physical aspect of our lives.

        Look inside first, Christopher. Know that you are unique and have great value, and that you are exactly who you were meant to be. Being white does not make one happy. Love gives us peace and freedom, and these things are prized above all else. They are the Pearl of Great Price.

        Turn your greatest weaknesses into your greatest strengths. You are much more than you think.

        BTW, I have no affiliation with the Republican party. I see all politicians as treacherous weasels and self-serving turncoats.

        The most important thing to me is freedom. Always has been. Freedom for everyone. But we have to want it, because freedom is never free.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes:
        “There is no Constitutional guarantee against being offended. That is another governmental overstep to try to limit our free expression.”

        Not only is there no guarantee against being offended there is NO possible way for government to enforce it because the person TAKING offense has ALL THE POWER.

        Government can will and has used the excuse to circumvent the Constitutional guarantee of free speech and free expression.

      • Vicki

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
        “I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THIS IS A LIBERTARIAN SITE. I COULD BE WRONG, BUT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT LIBERTARIANS CONSIDER IT TO BE IMPORTANT TO LET RELIGIOUS REPUBLICANS KNOW THAT THEIR VALUES HAVE DESTROYED THE PARTY IN OUR CONTEMPORARY TIME.”

        Unfortunately you are in error on at least 2 points
        -This is a personal liberty site.
        -Libertarians are well aware that the GOP abandonment of limited government has destroyed the party.

        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/16/gop-reaps-its-abandonment-of-limited-government

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        I DISAGREE.

        IN THE MINDS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, REPUBLICANS ARE VIEWED AS “FUNDAMENTALIST RADICALS” WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THEIR Bibles.

        INDEED, Brent Bozell AND HIS COALITION WERE ANGRY WITH THE PARTY BECAUSE THE COALITION FELT RELIGIOUS- AND FAMILY-ORIENTED VALUES WERE NOT UPHELD – ADEQUATELY – BY NATIONAL [AND, STATE] REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS.

      • Vicki

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
        December 6, 2012 at 6:21 am

        “Vicki,”

        I DISAGREE.

        IN THE MINDS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, REPUBLICANS ARE VIEWED AS “FUNDAMENTALIST RADICALS” WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH THEIR Bibles.”

        You are welcome to disagree but with what are you disagreeing? Libertarians are not the general public. The (amorphous) general public includes republicans, democrats, independents, liberals, conservatives and a bunch of others including libertarians.

        INDEED, Brent Bozell AND HIS COALITION WERE ANGRY WITH THE PARTY BECAUSE THE COALITION FELT RELIGIOUS- AND FAMILY-ORIENTED VALUES WERE NOT UPHELD – ADEQUATELY – BY NATIONAL [AND, STATE] REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS.

        I do not see your intended correlation between Brent Bozell (which one btw?) and the statements you made that I offered correction to/

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        MY POINT IS, YOU INITIALLY REPLIED TO ME BECAUSE YOU DISAGREED WITH MY ASSESSMENT THAT LIBERTARIANS WOULD CONSIDER SAYING, “Merry Christmas” [IN A PUBLIC FORUM] IS A REASON WHY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY “TURNS-THE-GENERAL-PUBLIC-OFF.” VOTERS IN 2012 BELIEVE RELIGION IS A PRIVATE MATTER AND NOT, FOR “PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.”

        UNTIL THE ARRIVAL OF MORE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATES AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, THE LIBERTARIAN- AND REPUBLICAN PARTIES WILL ALWAYS BE LINKED FOR PRACTICAL REASONS. THEREFORE, LIBERTARIANS HAVE “A STAKE” IN THE STATE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

        “Vicki,” IN AN EARLIER RESPONSE TO ME YOU DISAGREED WITH MY DEFINITION OF, Personal Liberty Digest. “Vicki,” YOU SAID THIS IS A “personal liberty” SITE, NOT, A LIBERTARIAN SITE. “Vicki,” “personal liberty” IS THE “BOTTOM-LINE” FOR LIBERTARIANS. THUS, “Vicki,” YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME OF SEMANTICS.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vicki,”

        IN REFERENCE TO, Brent Bozell, I ONLY KNOW OF THE MALE – WITH GREYING-RED HAIR – SEEN ON C-SPAN.

  • jim

    The school staff and administrators should all be reprimanded for their decision.

    • Motov

      Agreed

    • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

      Nah, they should be fired.

      • http://Infowars.com Tom

        I agree with you on that!

      • Vigilant

        And sued for violation of Civil Rights.

      • eddie47d

        You want to fire the administration when they were put between a rock and a hard place by conflicting parents? If only life was that easy. I guess you could hire Mitt because as he said ” I love to fire people”.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      The case of anyone mention God has already been decided by the Supreme Court. We should note that the ACLU sends out fliers in response to those complaining, even though they know the cases have already been won for freedom of speech for any religion! The ACLJ won these cases in our Supreme Court and the fact that Atheist parents that give objection would not if it was in the hallways of our, now, guard protected schools if many kids are insulting others by using a Creator’s name in vain. We won our freedom of speech and these idiots, who lack knowledge should be fired on the spot! They are not supporting our freedoms or, even a Liberal Courts decision to support the girls right, or others. Is this a Commie controlled Administration? A letter about the decision to support those freedoms should be sent to the school and a a big reason for dismissal because there are not Americans in that Administration.. They make me sick!

  • Motov

    Suppose the child was Muslim, and he used the word “Allah”? would there be a big fuss about this?

    • http://www.facebook.com/steven.louton Steven Louton

      Hell no,some clown in the liberal media would want to have the child given a pulitzer prize.

      • Carol

        Sad but, true.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      No.

    • eddie47d

      No MOTOV would have been the parent who screamed bloody murder if the name Allah was used and demanded the school censor that child. You can be fairly sure this controversy would work both ways. Personally I would encourage any child to express their beliefs and opinions and see nothing wrong with this girl reciting her honest feelings or thoughts in a poem. Now school administrators or teachers have an obligation not to be biased in their own words in defending one religion over another because of policy. Apparently the girl was allowed to read her poem in class but not at the assembly because it needed other parents approval (consultation)..

      • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

        * check’s Eddie’s temperature *

      • Vigilant

        eddie says, “Now school administrators or teachers have an obligation not to be biased in their own words in defending one religion over another because of policy.”

        The girl was touting no religious belief, eddie. She was describing an action that someone else did.

        Principal Desarae Kirkpatrick, Vice Principal Nakia Carson and McDowell County School Superintendent Gerri Martin are absolutely wrong in claiming that the girl’s DESCRIPTION of her grandfather’s action violates any Constitutional principle whatsoever, and most decidedly did NOT “endorse one single religion over another.”

        As I said to CAH, this ridiculous standard would disallow the reading aloud of our founding documents, inauguration speeches, voluminous writings of the Founders, Supreme Court Decisions, etc., and would censor every book ever written from being read to an assembly because the word “God” appears in it.

        Those school officials do not understand the Constitution, let alone the innocent creative writings of an elementary school child. Again, DESCRIPTION IS NOT ENDORSEMENT.

      • Vicki

        Also worth noting is the fact the child is neither the government nor an agent of the government. The Constitution is a set of enumerated powers and limits on GOVERNMENT and its agents not on people. Even a teacher could have read that poem as long as he/she was not acting in his/her capacity as a “public school teacher”

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest ME

      Since our President is a Muslim,saying Allah would be fine,THIS SUCKS.America was founded on Godly principals,and we need to keep it this way.

    • ranger09

      ALLAH IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR GOD. CAN ANYONE TELL ME IN HISTORY THE FIRST TIME THE WORD GOD WAS USED

  • http://yahoo mytwocentswrth

    Educated people behaving as though they have no minds, cannot read, and do not understand English. They’re just scared of offending the politically correct crowd at the expense of this child’s Constitutional rights. Their arguments are both lame and offensive. Shame on all of them. There is nothing I would want them to teach my child.

    • Carol

      AMEN

    • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

      This is what happens when parents send their kids to public schools to be “educated”.

      FYI Christopher Allen Horton – your silly “politically correct” post is full of rubbish.

    • Ed Mack

      Seems to me these highly educated (people ?) are ,in their minds, the ONLY ones who were hurt by the reference to God. They were outsmarted by a first grader. Quite apparently more intelligent than her school administrators who have no common sense and only what is in a book; if it’s not in a book it can’t be so. Just another “politically correct” infusion of the highly educated idiots(I can’t really call them “people”; are they?). A brilliant show of their power.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      What is truly ridiculous to read is that the word God written (spoken) by a child has sent up fear and rage and hate by supposedly educated and grown up people. A simple word scares the bejeebies out of these people.

      • Vicki

        Considering their nature, the word of God should scare them.

      • Karolyn

        It doesn’t scare them. They just take themselves too seriously and are the type of people who will turn in their neighbors for child abuse because a baby is playing naked in the yard. (I knows somebody this happened to.)

      • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

        Wonder how that poor kinds’ persecuters feel about crosses,garlic and Holy Water!
        Joann Flanagan

    • LTCB

      Don’t you love it when the “adults” are acting like the scared little children and are the ones afraid of the dark? OOOH, God might get me. Folks, I love the Lord, but, if you’re going to complain about a diety you mock and say does not exist, then who’s really whistling in the graveyard now? Seems it’s you. Let’s see, I don’t believe in God, His Son, or His Holy Spirit AT ALL. Now, I hear someone mention this non-diety and act like they REALLY LIKE this figment of their imaginations. WHY should I be upset about that? The Cristians should be every much more offended with the non-believer because of their establishment of a NON-RELIGION; which folks, takes faith and so, by definition, is a RELIGION. Atheism and Agnosticism are BOTH RELIGIONS.

      • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

        Do Crucifixes and Holy Water upset you too,LTCB?
        Do you have to work the night shift/
        Joann Flanagan

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      They’re also sacrificing historical accuracy by censoring the information that men in foxholes called on a higher power-something which has been known to happen.
      How some people hate the TRUTH and love the Lie!
      Joann Flanagan

  • WHAT THE HECK???

    gee, I didn’t know that little girl was a member of Congress trying to establish a state religion…..She mentioned God , was it the Jewish God, YAWWEH, or Buddha or Allah or Jesus? Who Cares!!! What if she had called it a New Agey thing, like “The Source”…Who Cares!!

    PURE INSANITY!!!! CAH, you are so wrong it ain’t funny

  • Paul Wells

    Those who would abridge a child’s right to use God’s name in a Veteran’s day poem of appreciation, are those who would abridge other rights as well, pick an amendment, 1st, 2nd, doesn’t matter. That parent should have been told to insert fingers into ears, as that particular poem was read. Our rights have been abridged enough!!!!

    • Don Watson.

      Well said Sir.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      Your totally right and one more thing. The ACLJ has fought such cases in the Supreme Court and the court upheld the right to speak. We have every right, child or adult to speak of God and the Supreme Court says so. The school is in violation and should be taken to court or the parents of the girl can write the ACLJ and they will send a letter to that school affirming her rights. If they refuse, they will suffer deeply!

      If the parent who objected were walking in our Liberal controlled hallways and heard cursing and God’s name in vain, we are sure they would say nothing as they probably use them themselves and their children as well. We see it is those with no honor trying to control those who have respect for others. Would the parents of the girl object to someone naming the name of Allah in a poem? We know they would not.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Well what can you expect from a society depraved and tyranical to abridge our 1st Ammendment rights by requiring clergy to subsidise contraception,sterilisation and abortion with church funds under the ludicrously hypocritical pretense of “providing healthcare”!!
      Joann Flanagan

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Bob Livingston,”

    SIR, I AGREE WITH, Ken Paulson. FOR A CHILD TO SAY THE WORD, “god,” DURING A SCHOOL ASSEMBLY WOULD CREATE A SENSE OF INFERIORITY IN THE MINDS OF CHILDREN [AND, ADMINISTRATORS] WHO ARE ATHEIST, OR, PRACTICE AN UNPOPULAR RELIGION [LIKE, "b'hai," ETC.].

    EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES KNOWS CHRISTIANITY IS “TOP-DAWG.” IT WOULD BE WRONG TO MAKE A CHILD WHO PRACTICES ANOTHER IDEOLOGY FEEL INFERIOR.

    • Vigilant

      CAH, you’d better read the First Amendment again. THAT’S the operative sentence, NOT someone’s idea of superiority or inferiority.

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

      If it ain’t in the Constitution or laws derived therefrom, then the school has absolutely no business interfering. In fact, the idiots in that school should be sued for violating the free speech rights of the student.

      Even if she were blazenly endorsing one religion over another (which she was not), I invite you to find ONE word in the Constitution that prevents her from doing so. In fact, the school would have been involved in “prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

      Mention of the words “God,” “Allah,” “Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva,” “Buddha,” etc., is in no way making a law respecting an establishment of religion. Her poem was descriptive, not an endorsement of any kind. How does reference to her grandfather praying to God “create a sense of inferiority?” AND EVEN IF IT DID CREATE A SENSE OF INFERIORITY, IT’S NOT UNCONSTITUTIONJAL.

      By your standard, almost every literary work in the English language would be banned, since virtually every work contains references to “God.”

      • Vigilant

        “EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES KNOWS CHRISTIANITY IS “TOP-DAWG.” IT WOULD BE WRONG TO MAKE A CHILD WHO PRACTICES ANOTHER IDEOLOGY FEEL INFERIOR.”

        While I agree that it’s morally wrong to persecute anyone for their religious beliefs, you’ll need to find it in the Constitution before it carries any water.

        Cite me chapter and verse of the law that says people can not come on this site and denigrate Christians, Jews, Muslims or atheists. It’s done every day of the week.

        The Constitution was not written to assuage the touch-feely self-esteem sensitivities of the populace. It was written to establish a form of government and place limits on the central authority while guaranteeing individual freedoms. NO WHERE does it abridge freedom of speech as you would have us to believe.

      • Niki

        This is absolutely pathetic. I would have raised so much trouble over this. The girl at this
        very young age is told by ADULTS she cannot read this. Shame on the system – Shame on the government take over of public schools. Shame on the people children are suppose to listen to as ADULTS. I am so angry right now I wish I lived closer so I could go to the school and read these ADULTS including the one that objected the riot act. I would bet if it was anything to do with ISLAM not one person would have objected. PARENTS STAND FOR SOMETHING PLEASE. Do NOT continue to let this happen. These so called professional people are idiots and so is the person that complained.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I expected better from you. I hope you were kidding.

        Every athiest I ever knew had a superiority complex.

        Anyway, if a person is secure in his beliefs, he feels inferior to no one. I thought we were all about “tolerance” and “inclusion”.

        Besides, the term “God” is in no way exclusive. Everyone has some kinds of gods, including athiests. Things like money, possessions…even beliefs.

        When did we lose the right to free expression. To limit speech in any way opens the door to even greater limits. Actually, to limit rights in any way invites more intrusions… as we can well see.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Vigilant,”

        I AGREE WITH YOU IN REFERENCE TO THE First Amendment. MY POINT IS, SOMETIMES IT IS IMPORTANT TO ADHERE TO THE “PRACTICALITIES” OF LIFE IN ORDER TO AVOID MAJOR- AND UNNECESSARY PROBLEMS.

        PARENTS CAN BE DANGEROUSLY PARANOID IN REFERENCE TO THEIR CHILDREN. WE ALREADY KNOW RELIGION IS A MAJOR “FUEL” FOR VIOLENCE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENTS. YES – I AM ATHEIST; BUT, SINCE PARENTS ALREADY PASS THEIR FAITH TO THEIR CHILDREN, I HAVE NO “REALISTIC” PROBLEM WITH RELIGION IN SCHOOLS.

        ATHEISM REQUIRES MATURE UNDERSTANDING AND REASON. MOST CHILDREN MUST BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS BEFORE EMBARKING ON A QUEST OF, “SELF.”

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, MY EARLIER COMMENTS WERE BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES AS A SUBSTITUTE TEACHER. I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH EXTREMELY IRRATIONAL PARENTS. WHEN THIS IS COMBINED WITH VIOLENCE IN SCHOOLS – [In Memphis, there are cases of parents being violent on school grounds] – RELIGION IS A DEFINITE “HOT POTATO.”

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I hear what you are saying, but God and religion are not synonymous. One can have a deep understanding of God but affiliate with no religion.

        The real issue here is an inherent, natural right to free expression, guaranteed under our Constitution. It doesn’t matter if it’s a “hot potato”. If someone speaks of his love of mountains or trees, is that offensive to someone who doesn’t care for those things?

        Ridiculous? Of course! What I feel has nothing to do with you or anyone else. Do I, therefore, have to remain silent, especially when giving a speech about my own experience?

        There can be no compromise with our Constitutionally guaranteed natural human rights. Never. Ever. To try to limit these things is expressly verboten. And to tell schoolchildren that they must limit themselves is for no other reason except to accustom them to being limited.

        Sorry, Christopher. You are wrong on this. You can talk all day about atheism, because that is your belief…and I don’t care in the least. Nor do I accept that your belief is more “mature” than mine. We just have different experience of life, and one is not more acceptable than the other. Atheism (or science) is just as much a ‘religion” as any other system of belief.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,” MA’AM – LET US CALL IT “A DRAW;” RELIGION IS A “STICKY” TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR EVERYONE. PEOPLE WILL NEVER AGREE – GLOBAL WARS PROVE THIS FACT.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I agree that religion can be a “sticky” subject, but so is politics, yet we discuss that every day.

        The bottom line is that this is a NATURAL RIGHT, expressly guaranteed by our Bill of Rights, and is granted from God. Government is FORBIDDEN to speak to this in any way whatsoever. Off-limits.

        This is not up for debate. It’s in the Bill of Rights, and it doesn’t matter if some people don’t agree with it. You simply may NOT just decide that YOU don’t think it’s a good idea and decide YOU have authority over another person’s expression.

        It is written by our founders that NO MAN may assume authority over another. Those who have are in treacherous violation of our Laws, which derive from the People.

        You insult humanity when you make it sound like we are incapable of controlling ourselves when it comes to respecting others’ beliefs. If some have a problem, then it is up to them to deal with their issues. In my whole life I’ve never seen anyone harm another for speaking their truth. In America we have always had that right.

        It simply doesn’t matter what you think, or what I think. Hands off what others have to say about ANYTHING.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, WHAT IF A RADICAL MUSLIM FORCED A CAUCASIAN-CHRISTIAN CHILD TO LISTEN TO THEIR DOCTRINE; HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?

        CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE CAREFUL TO NOT TAKE AN ELITIST-APPROACH WITH THE PUBLIC. I HOPE PEOPLE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THIS ELECTION – ON TWO “FRONTS:”

        I). THE KENYAN WON RE-ELECTION – IN PART – BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY HAS NO REALISM IN MOST PEOPLE’S LIVES WHO ARE UNDER FORTY; AND
        II). THERE WAS “NO WAY IN HELL,” Governor Mitt Romney WOULD HAVE WON WHEN MOST PEOPLE CONSIDER MORMONS TO BE “GUYS WITH TEN OR TWELVE WIVES.” [Americans are liberal; but, NOT that liberal].

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – Come on now. There is a vast difference between an adult using their position of authority to indoctrinate children who have no choice in the matter, and a little girl reading an essay of her own experience.

        If you cannot understand this, then you do not have the common sense I thought you did.

        This is about free speech. You have to consider the intent and the situation. Indoctrination is intent to influence those who don’t know any better, and we do not have the right to cause harm to another. Yet, our schools practice indoctrination every day, and I don’t notice you having a problem with that.

        People are allowed to use profanity, to slur others, blatantly lie and to speak openly about all manner of things many of us find offensive, and yet it is covered under free speech. Mention “God”, and it’s as if you’ve committed the worst of crimes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

        Find a vet that has been in a fire fight that hasn’t prayed to God to survive the auction and return home.

      • http://SameasAddress? Bill Bates

        Thanks, Vigilant, for correctly stating Article 1, of a proposed Bill of Rights. The FREE exercise of religion must never be at the cost of any otrhers. The boatload at Plymouth Roch were fleeing “state religion” but the original Constitution has numerous flaws In lifetime, the eleventy article of the proposed Bill of Rights has been approved, but if you will check, I think you asgree that the Bill of Rights will NEVER be completely accepted. Here’s to our roue’ Ambassador to France during the American Revolution, our unforgettable Ben Franklin; Hardly “Christian” behavior for our wonderful Founding Father. Thomas Jefferson’s New Testament? Justy read the rubric!

      • joesolargenius

        I wonder what would have happened had that young child been a Muslim and used the word Allah instead of God ?

    • http://www.facebook.com/steven.louton Steven Louton

      CAH you are one sick piece of crap and you wonder how Obama got reelected,i hope you lose everything you own to the new messiah.

      • Tim L.

        Steve, how utterly Christian of you.

      • Charlie Tall

        Steve sounds more like a liberal-progressive than a Christian.

      • eddie47d

        Why was Obama mentioned in your mini-tirade Steven? You don’t have to answer because we all know that he gets dragged into every situation. If you burn your finger on the stove do you holler out damn that Obama it has to be his fault. Some of you are over looking the fact that it was a parent who critiqued the poem and demanded it not be used not the school. Everyone wants parent power for themselves until a parent does something you don’t like then it gets blamed on the government.

      • JON

        Your words are only a reflection on you and how truly pathetic.your existence.

      • http://google David

        Go kneel before your boy Obama. Try it, it is a dirty Socialist ride at it’s best. You feed a rat, you get more rats.

      • Rob

        Steven Louton is right, eddie47d! Obama’s at the helm (enabled by you liberal ‘stink tanks’) in this ‘un-Godly movement’. YOU are the people making waves about every issue that comes down the road. The whiny group of liberal PC head jobs someday is going to choke on all the crap they gave ‘normal thinking’ Americans. I’m waiting for the liberal-conservative blood-letting revolution in the streets. It will happen. You won’t win. Not enough guns on your side. :>)

      • sylviam

        I do agree with parts of your reply, altho the little girl was refering to GOD not DEM or REPUB, she has every right to say GOD. The 1st. Ammendmant, is where it is. Also there is NOTHING there abour sepperation of GOD AND STATE. This Great Nation was founded on CHRIATIAN Belief. NO religeon is to tell the STATE OR GOVERNMENT what they can or cannot do.
        GOD BLESS AMERICA

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        Obama is not Christian or Muslim, he is Godless!!! Most anti-Life, anti-God president ever….one of only 15 pols to vote to snuff out baby who survived an abortion!!!! Not even Fallen Angels, Nephilim like Hilary or Ted Kennedy voted for that !!!

        Obama is a willing tool for the dark forces, he is most likely a Watcher, Fallen One himself!!!

      • eddie47d

        Seems like ROB and David burned their fingers on the stove too!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Steven Louton,”

        TRADITIONAL- AND CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS NEED TO DEAL WITH THE FACT CONTEMPORARY REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN RELIGION “OFF THE TABLE.”

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The Leftist ducks all in the row castigating Steven Louton and the man did not claim he is Christian. But take notice that eddie47 knew that messiah and O were one and the same.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nadzieja Batki” – YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY COMMENTS. I REPLIED TO, “Mr. Louton,” BECAUSE HE ASSUMED I AM A DEMOCRAT.

      • Kate8

        Well, Christopher, the fact that you do not respect our Bill of Rights would certainly lead one to think you are a democrat. No self-respecting conservative would ever indicate anything like that.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I WILL BE TOTALLY HONEST.

        THERE IS A GREAT PART OF ME WHICH DESPERATELY WANTS YOU TO LIKE ME.

        BUT, I AM ANTI-AMERICAN.

      • Deerinwater

        So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

      • Kate8

        Well, CHRISTOPHER, what can I say to that. Are you an American? Are you communist?

        If so, I urge you to read this piece on America that appeared in Russia’s PRAVDA. This is a very compelling piece written through the eyes of a people who lived through communism.

        http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/03-12-2012/123005-communist_victory_amerika-0/

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        YES – I AM AMERICAN; I WAS BORN IN MISSISSIPPI.

        AS YOU KNOW, INTELLECTUALISM IS IMPORTANT TO ME. AS A SMALL CHILD, I WAS FASCINATED WITH WESTERN EUROPE. [My former partner is a Frenchman].

        “Kate8,” MA’AM, LIBERAL-ARTS EDUCATION IN AMERICA IS SOLELY BASED ON WESTERN EUROPE. UNITED STATES HISTORY IS THE ONLY SUBJECT FOCUSED ON AMERICA. BUT, IN THE ARTS AND SCIENCES WESTERN EUROPE IS “TOP-DAWG.”

        IF YOU ASK “EDUCATED” PEOPLE:

        Name a famous mathematician – A RUSSIAN WILL BE NAMED.
        Name a classical musician – BACH, BEETHOVEN OR MOZART WILL BE NAMED.
        Name a famous artist – LEONARDO da VINCI [ETC]., WILL BE NAMED.

        IF YOU ASK “UNEDUCATED” PEOPLE TO NAME FAMOUS AMERICANS IN THESE CATEGORIES, NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER.

        BECAUSE OF MY HOMOSEXUALITY, I HAVE ALWAYS FANTASIZED ABOUT LIVING IN GREECE, OR, FRANCE. IN A PERFECT WORLD – BECAUSE OF MY OBSESSION WITH CAUCASIAN MALES – I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHICH IS 99% CAUCASIAN WITH VERY FEW NEGROES.

        MY POINT IS, “Kate8,” THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS NO LEGITIMATE-CULTURAL HERITAGE OF ITS OWN – IT “LEECHES-OFF” THE CULTURAL ACHIEVEMENTS OF WESTERN EUROPE.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM. MY EMOTIONS ARE “RUNNING WILD” IN THIS THREAD. YOUR CRITICISM OF ME, REALLY “SHOOK ME.”

        I LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – I WILL DIE HERE. LIVING IN A “SUPER-MAJORITY-” CAUCASIAN NATION IS NOT A REALISTIC OPTION FOR ME – ONLY FANTASY.

      • Kate8

        Christopher – I don’t know why what I think matters to you. All I know of you is what you post, and you seem a bit confused about just who you are.

        I get thrashed here almost every day by the trolls. So what. Face the truth about yourself and be set free.

        BTW, athiests are into intellectualism because they have separated themselves from their inner being, ususally because of feelings of abandonment by a higher power or of unworthiness. Our intellect, which is only a mental construct for navigating the dimension of form, has no concept of soul or spirit, so it assumes spirit does not exist. It only exists in the temporal world, and will do everything possible to rationalize and justify doing things of which your heart would advise otherwise. Hence, the separation from the heart. You cannot be whole if you are only a head dragging around a body.

        The answer, of course, is to face up to your pain and guilt and accept who you are, and reintegrate your being. Living in a state of fragmentation is a self-imposed state of separation from your true being, and is the very definition of hell. Many people are angry with churches, so they have discounted all things of the spirit. God is actually the Truth of your Inner Being, and your True Master. Christ said “No man comes to the Father except by me”, and “I am the Door”. The door is deep inside your heart, in the walls you’ve built around it, waiting for you to knock.

        Be okay with who you are. It makes no difference what others think of you. Know yourself, approve of yourself, give voice to your inner being, and you will have peace.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM – WITH ALL SINCERITY – I HOPE WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY DOES NOT OFFEND YOU.

        IN OUR FIRST CONVERSATION – MONTHS AGO – YOU MENTIONED YOU LIKE, POTTED PLANTS. AT THAT POINT, I CREATED A VISUAL IMAGE OF WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MAY LOOK LIKE. SINCE I KNOW YOUR AGE, I HAVE A “MOTHERLY” IMAGE OF YOU. THEREFORE, I BEGAN TO CHERISH YOU.

        MA’AM, PLEASE TAKE THESE WORDS WITH MY INTENTIONAL MEANING. I KNOW I AM NEGRO MALE AND YOU ARE CAUCASIAN FEMALE. BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENDEARING FEELINGS FOR YOU.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, I HAVE NOT SEEN A RESPONSE TO MY COMMENTS.

        I WANT YOU TO KNOW I AM THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO MAKES EMOTIONAL CONNECTIONS WITH PEOPLE I HAVE NEVER SEEN.

        “Kate8,” MA’AM – PLEASE GO TO THE “Black Men Are More Apt To Get Prostate Cancer” THREAD. “Kate8,” MA’AM, YOU WILL SEE MY, “Top Ten List of Personal Libertarians.” “Kate8,” MA’AM, YOU ARE ONLY ONE OF TEN PEOPLE – ON THIS SITE – WHOM I HOLD IN HIGH-ESTEEM.

        I HOPE YOU ARE NOT ANGRY WITH ME.

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Gordon

        General comment:

        What a whiney bunch of piss pots.

        Get a life, crew.

    • Steve E

      If a kid doesn’t believe in God. Then he should feel inferior, because he is inferior.

      • Karolyn

        Steve – People with narrow minds are the ones who are inferior.

      • Tim L.

        Steve, if a child doesn’t believe in God maybe the child should be stoned to death. Would that make you feel a little better?

      • 45caliber

        Tim:

        Why on earth should a child who doesn’t believe in God be stoned to death? That sounds like a liberal’s actions when someone disagrees with them.

      • Steve E

        Karolyn polyanna. The facts are that if you do not believe in God you are inferior. You can’t face the facts. And yes, you would be narrow minded like the atheist who don;t want to look at manger scenes at Christmas time.

      • Steve E

        Tim L. I believe stoning them would be illegal. But if you want to do it. Go ahead.

      • Kate8

        Steve E – I agree. Let them kill their own. They have 50million dead infants to show how much they care about human life.

        That’s 50million fewer liberals than we would otherwise have had. Every cloud has its silver lining.

      • Karolyn

        Steve E – Wow! That’s a “fact?” roflmao :-)

      • Karolyn

        Wow! again, Steve. You are giving Christians a bad name, if you’re any example! Even if you’re not serious, just to tell somebody that if they wanted to stone an atheist child, they should just go ahead is a most un-christian thing to say!

      • Steve E

        Karolyn, you are not Christian, You live off the government dole stealing from others. Why don’t you stone them then and give Tim L a break.

      • eddie47d

        So true Karolyn. Although the left can be just as lame as the right some of those on the right never cease to amaze me. They are so loose with facts I grimace everyday!

      • Mike in MI

        Karolyn and eddie47 – If you two are to be true to your object of veneration you should certainly have no problem with the death of a little kid, whether by stones or a surgical malpractice. After all, if I recall correctly Obama is perfectly fine with it in voting the way he did regarding that mass of matter that died of being neglected after a botched abortion resulted in its live birth. Nobody even had the decency to administer a coup d’ gras. Just leave the poor baby there alone until the poor thing died of neglect.
        But, that’s modern medicine at its ethical norm.

        Just wait ’til Death By Obamacare kicks in fully. Everybody will have health insurance. Deteriorating health, no care … no cures but plenty of insurance… guaranteed… paid in dollars that are so hyper-inflated you’ll need a truckload of big bills just to bribe the security guard at the door to get in.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – It actually gets worse.

        It has been reported that many of these babys are actually taken and raised by child traffickers for sale to the elite. Many are beautiful children, and their lives are hell.

        Not to mention that a whole industry has developed around human fetal parts. They are sold on the open market, and fetal tissue is in many of our foods and beverages, like Coca Cola and cheese. And, of course, vaccines, medicines, cosmetics, and many other things.

        I also have heard that the elite use them in their longevity treatments. Could this, perhaps, be a big reason why they’ve so promoted abortion on a large scale, aside from reducing the population?

        These people are diabolical. More comes out about their horrors every day.

      • Steve E

        Great Blogs everyone! Getting back to my statement: “If a kid doesn’t believe in God. Then he should feel inferior, because he is inferior”. This statement is not hate because I have a remedy for this condition. Hey Kid! Believe in God and you will never be Inferior. Disease Cured… Next Problem?

      • Mike in MI

        K88 -
        OH! Ug-g-gh, YeeU-U-U-u-ck What won’t a lib think of next????

        Well, I don’t remember reading anywhere that “..,evil men will wax better and nicer.”

      • Karolyn

        Mike – I have no “object of veneration.”

      • DaveH

        Steve says — “The facts are that if you do not believe in God you are inferior”.
        That’s a fact? So we’re inferior if we don’t believe in something we can’t see, feel, smell, hear, or taste? We’re supposed to believe because somebody like you says so, Steve?
        We’re inferior because we don’t believe in the Adult Santa Clause?
        We’re inferior because we don’t believe there is a supernatural being who is all-knowing, omnipotent, omnipresent, and had no beginning and has no end?
        We’re inferior because we don’t believe what Self-Serving Leaders throughout history promoted to keep their Followers obedient?
        For those who would like to remove their blinders:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Steve is still learning about his religion, or else is not practicing it as it requires or he would not be making a “blind” attack on others. Rreligions are made by man, usually to strenghten social ties, give rules to live life by – and that is not a bad thing.

        I personally do not think that God would mind what one refers to him as (we all know he has many names) as long as one is basically decent, and really has a moral structure. Remember, it is NOT what one does when their are witnesses around, it is easly to paly “nice” with an audience. It is what you do when you are alone with no witnesses.

        Religions, much like politics draw those who want power – not necesarily to honor their God(s). It is a human thing.

    • securityman

      So, to you they can refer to islam or what ever they believe in, just so long as it’s not “GOD”. Man, you are an IDIOT of the first degree.This country was built on the belief in GOD and people like you make me wonder just how much longer it will be before they ,the unGodly, try to take everything away from us. You and people like you, are one of the main reasons that I keep my weapons all loaded….

      • http://Infowars.com Tom

        Amen to that!!!

      • FOSAR

        Amen brother!

    • Michael

      North Carolina continues to rush to the front of the progressives east coast states. They must be trying to emulate Kalifornia.

      • Combat seabee

        Just trying to be like Bloomers from N.Y.C.! Hey, N.C., watch out for your sodas, that’s coming next!!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So by your reasoning it is OK to make a child who believes in the God of Heaven “feel” inferior because the people with made up gods want their preeminence.

    • 45caliber

      Christopher:

      I have to disagree with you on this one. If the child is truly atheist, they have no reason to feel inferior. They simply will ignore the statement. If they feel inferior, it is because they do feel that there is a god and that they don’t know who that god is. In that case, they need to ask parents, etc. to learn. If the parent is a true atheist, they will explain in a way the child can understand.

      But ALL children feel inferior at one time or another. They may feel inferior because they can’t play football or baseball as well as another child. They may fell inferior because they can’t get straight ‘A’s a another child can. It is wrong to try to eliminate that for children just as it is wrong to attempt to always make them feel that they are superior to other children. Too many of today’s youth feel that they are supreme beings and all others should recognize this and reward them for it – and they are willing to punish people (by killing them in some cases) if they won’t do that. Children NEED to fail as well as succeed at what they attempt to do since they will certainly fail at something when they are adults. They need to know they can move on from failure and inferiority in something.

      • mhtrc55

        How did all of you happen to leave the train track on this one?! First, how did you “assume” this little girl, or any child, was atheist? The little girl in the article was simply writing a poem, as assigned by her teacher, about veterans. She chose to write about her grandfather and was referencing his experience while serving in Vietnam. She was in no way endorsing any belief in God, but was simply re-telling what her grandfather had done. For this girl to have her rights trampled on is a disgrace. Every day we hear about the “few” who want Christmas trees called “Holiday” trees, mangers removed from Christmas displays and removal of Christmas pageants & Christmas songs from any Christmas plays during the Christmas holidays. This didn’t seem to be an issue until the liberals had to make sure that we were all “PC” in our daily actions. I respect everyone’s right to practice their chosen religions; however, this is America. The “majority” should not have to alter all of our religions, traditions or language to please the “few”. Enough already. And, all of you, stop bringing Obama and/or Bush into every discussion to prove your points. Bush has been out of office almost 4 years now and Obama is not part of this discussion.

      • Combat seabee

        Well stated and written, but we know that the liberals don’t want the score kept so in a competition, there is no competition!! All are winners! Until they get into the real world and it hits them squarely in the face and they wonder what happened!!!!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber,”

        SIR, AS ALWAYS, IT IS GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

        THERE ARE TWO THINGS WHICH MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION:

        I). NAME CALLING. On the first day of kindergarten, kids give each other the “look over.” Daddy and Mama will be called bad names if a kid is not dressed properly. No one wants to look poor. Like their parents, these children also utilize Christian references in their speech. If a child is of another faith, he/she will be considered, “weird; AND,
        II). PROFANITY AND “OFF-COLOR” STATEMENTS IN THE HOME. Many parents consider their home to be their “castle.” Many parents believe it is important for their children to see life, “UP-CLOSE AND REAL.” [Former Second Lady, Tipper Gore, was greatly "out-of-touch" in her crusade for V-Chips in televisions]. Religion is not, “off-limits.” If parents call people of a certain faith [like, Hebrews] a “dirty” name, they say it openly in the presence of their children. ["45caliber" - If an adult wants to know the profane-speech pattern of another adult, he/she merely has to listen to speech utilized by their children; children utilize the EXACT profane words their parents use].

        THEREFORE “45caliber,” SIR, IT CAN BE A SIMPLE ISSUE OF SCHOOL SAFETY TO BAR THE MENTIONING OF, “god,” IN SCHOOL ASSEMBLY.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “mhtrc55,”

        YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. “45caliber” KNOWS I AM ATHEIST. SO, HE RESPONDED TO MY COMMENTS WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE.

        THE LITTLE GIRL IN THIS STORY IS CHRISTIAN.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – The idea that just the mention of God in an assembly is outrageous. If these kids have been taught to erupt over such a small thing, then they are learning to feel this way at school. Perhaps they need to be taught to be more respectful.

        Kids are not naturally stupid. My experience with kids is that they are far more accepting than many adults.

        Bottom line: no one has the right to restrict natural rights, no matter what justification they try to come up with.

    • Texas Ride

      CAH, why would someone feel “inferior” if they were not a Christian! And, if they do “that is their problem, not ours!”

      Why do you think that the word GOD is only uttered by Christians! . That little girl did nothing wrong, yet she is being punished by the very radicals that preach “tolerance!”
      Guess all that “tolerance” B.S. only works one way.

      Christianity, America’s relationship with GOD, built this country! Our Courtrooms display the Ten Commandments. This is “One Nation Under GOD.” Christians need to grow a pair and defend their religion.

      Christianity is why we Americans have been prosperous and free. Only a moral people can enjoy freedom. Immorality or a lack of morals brings depravity and tyranny. There is nothing wrong with Christianity being “top dawg” as you so irreverantly remarked! Our religion taught people to act in a “GODLY” way….that is a “good thing” and people like you got to enjoy a higher standard of living because of it. You would not be allowed to speak out against any other religion without a huge “backlash.” In the mideast you would be dead if you spoke out against the “religion of peace.”

      Last I heard, many religions speak of God, in one form or the other. You and your ilk abuse the freedom that the “brave people of this country” has procured and protected for you so you can be snide and criticize. If you don’t like living in a Christian country, there are a lot of people that will help you pack! You are in the minority here. Only in the communist party (formerly the democrat party) has GOD been denied three times (at their convention!) The other Seventy-percent of Americans consider themselves to be Christian..

      • moonbeam

        “Why do you think that the word GOD is only uttered by Christians!”

        God’s name is also uttered by those who are not Christian, even the ungodly. They utter His name in vain daily with their “Oh my God” for everything. They even utter His name when they are in sudden trouble even though they had no time for Him or wanted nothing to do with God otherwise. You will hear even the most vile offender cry out “Oh God please help me!” when danger, fear and confusion make a surprise visit.

        Just listen to people in your daily walk through life. You will hear God’s name everywhere even from those who claim not to believe in Him.

      • Karolyn

        What makes you think God is a “him?”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Texas Ride,”

        I WANT TO BE CLEAR – I BELIEVE THE CHILD DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG.

        I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD HAVE HEARD THE CHILD SAY, “god.”

        WHAT WOULD THIS CHILD’S FUTURE INTERACTIONS WITH CLASSMATES BE LIKE IF A PEER [OF ANOTHER FAITH], “WENT-OFF?”

      • DaveH

        Karolyn says — “What makes you think God is a “him?””.
        Because he was created by man.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Because God is beyond the conccept of humnas so what was used was “man”. Never forget the word then, as now, also stnads for “mankind” not just the males of the species.

      • Pied Piper

        How do you know if God is a him? Jesus said You have seen me you have seen the Father who is God. God is a spirit but Jesus came and was the image of God.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      By the way, the child was offering up the highest respect and praise to the two men who would become her grandfathers. What a lovely heritage that child has.

    • J D S

      Anyone who does not serve the true, living God, Jehovah, should feel inferior! Simple.

    • Kim

      Hopefully you will wake up and know that God is an entity that most know about and if they do not should. If individuals are of any other religion, they still know of God and should not be offended. You are wrong with your narrow minded comment.

    • http://wildblue.net bungal

      You are right about one thing in that some of the administrators could be Atheist. However, reality says that about 95% of the worlds population believes in a Creation, a Creator, and a God. I see no mention that this girl mentioned who she was praying to,and I would uphold her right to speak, even if she mentioned the name of Christ. This country was not founded by Atheists but Christians. 85% of those that signed our Declaration of Independence were “Born Again” Christians. We also note that there were a few Agnostics, but no one was an Atheist. Thomas Jefferson was an Agnostic and, before he was allowed to become our President he had to take a vow to support our faith.

      If another were to say the name Allah in their poem, it is the same. They would have every right to do this. We and over 90% of our worlds Countries support freedom to express beliefs. Some refuse all but their own. We are not a country of foolish Atheists who also have their right to believe what they wish and to express it. Why, if they can, couldn’t she? She has every right and us Vets who died or served did it for that right!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

        Try this in an islamic country and you could loose your fat head

    • http://worldpree hangman

      We all know that this is a Christian country, and if an atherist, muslim, or other degenarate does not like our Christian ways, our constitution, our beliefs, remember that NO ONE forced you to come here, you slithered in like the snakes you are, and you must be aware that NO one is holding you here. Good riddance to bad rubbish, go protest elsewhere. Iran, maybe?

      • Karolyn

        Hey, hangman, you do know that there are a great many “atherists” and Muslims who are natural born citizens don’t’ you?

      • eddie47d

        Is Hangman in his bunker searching for signals of life again? He better check his own pulse first!

    • http://sossparty.org Ron Murray

      Feeling inferior is a personal choice, even among children. If reading or hearing the word”God” makes them feel inferior, it is because their parents or others have taught them to feel that way, perhaps because they are in fact inferior.

    • Vicki

      CAH writes:
      “IT WOULD BE WRONG TO MAKE A CHILD WHO PRACTICES ANOTHER IDEOLOGY FEEL INFERIOR.”

      The one who chooses to feel inferior is the one with the power to STOP feeling inferior.

    • judge

      Based on your comments you are for the state sponsored religion that is currently being practiced. The Supreme court defined religion as a set of beliefs and practices. Therefore to fail to mention God or to restrict the mention of God or any other Religions supreme on lack of supreme (athiesm) is a violation of the 1st amendment. The state shall make no law (it should be inherently obvious that a ruling is establishment of law) concerning the establishment or practice of religion. The words or mention of separation is not in the constitution anywhere. Please read it for yourself. I’ m not making anything up here. Not allowing the mention of God is by the words themselves concerning the practice of religion. This was not being done to trample on others religion but a statement in a poem. Next we wont be able to use the words, red, white, yellow, black because they might offend someone.

      • ranger09

        God, Is a word that has been called by many names since the beginning of time.We all need something to believe in That is GOOD. And a little story about an Atheists LT in Viet Nam. On Patrol the Group fell into an ambush, Over half of them was killed or wounded, It looked pretty bad for them.Running low on ammo,and no confirmed help nearby.The Sgt, a two year vet was moving around checking the men when he noticed the LT was hunkered down with his hands in front of his face, Sgt moved over to him and asked was he ok, The LT replied im praying, The sgt said i thought you did not believe in God, The LT replied HELL I WILL TRY ANYTHING IF IT WILL HELP Well a couple of gun ships showed up and took away the Problem. Now this was one smart Atheists.Because we never know until Death is knocking at the door.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “judge,”

        BECAUSE OF MY COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD, MANY OF YOU SEEM TO THINK I AM A “CLOSETED” LIBERAL AND INTENTIONALLY “SET-OUT” TO FOOL ALL OF YOU.

        I AM THE SAME PERSON I WAS WHEN Y’ALL MET ME IN JUNE. THE DIFFERENCE IS I HAVE SHARED MORE ABOUT MYSELF, SINCE THEN. YES – I AM NEGRO; YES – I AM HOMOSEXUAL; AND, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE Googled MY NAME, YES – I ENJOY “SLEAZE.” REPUBLICANS HAVE SEX LIVES, TOO; AND, MANY REPUBLICANS DO NOT GO TO CHURCH.

        PEOPLE IN ANOTHER THREAD ARE “FLIPPING-OVER” Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) AND CONGRATULATING HIM IN REFERENCE TO HIS MOVE TO Heritage Foundation. I SHARE THOSE SENTIMENTS; BEST WISHES TO HIM. [I know nothing of the senator]. BUT, Senator DeMint IS TOO OLD TO BE EFFECTIVE. [Do not forget about society's overall view of, Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC); There is such a thing (in politics), as being TOO conservative].

        SO, MY POINT IS, IF YOU ALLOW YOUR GROWING KNOWLEDGE OF ME TO PERSUADE YOU TO DISMISS MY CREDIBILITY WHEN I MAKE COMMENTS ON CONSERVATIVE ARTICLES [LIKE, THIS ONE], THEN ONE OF TWO THINGS MUST BE TRUE:
        I). OLDER REPUBLICANS ARE “OUT-OF-TOUCH” WITH YOUNGER REPUBLICANS; OR,
        II). CHRISTIANS NEED TO LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A PARTY OF THEIR OWN. [Since people consider Christianity to be so popular in this nation, surely, a "Christian Party" (in 2016) would get more than one percent of the national vote (2012; Libertarian Party)].

      • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

        Judge,in YOUR unfallable judgement,O Great One,should we ban The Lays Of Ancient Rome or the Illiad because they have reference to deitys or it is just refernces to Crhistianity that offend you?
        Joann Flanagan

    • S.C.Murf

      cah you need to make that popping sound then take your satanism and leave, for you are ignorant of the constitution.

      up the hill
      airborne

    • CAROL

      THE LITTLE GIRL WAS WRITING FROM HER HEART…. SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO READ HER POEM. IT IS JUST AMAZING THAT ONE PERSON CAN RUIN A SCHOOL PROGRAM FOR ONE LITTLE GIRL EVERYONE THAT STOPPED THIS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. THIS IS SOMETHING SHE WILL NEVER FORGET.

      .

      • Kate8

        CAROL – You are absolutely right.

        Liberals are always crowing about doing things “for the children”, but they really hate children. They do so many things to damage and oppress the most innocent of us…

        That little girl propably feels as if she has done something terrible in her efforts to share her joy. Things like this haunt a person for life, as children take such things deeply.

        I say, shame on everyone who thinks this is okay.

        What has this country become. Our children have become pawns to those who are working to destroy our America. Collateral damage.

    • LTCB

      Sir, I’ll try to remain civil. For you to tell this kid she cannot state a historical FACT, religious or not, is INSANE. Whether or not the girl even believes that praying was a good thing or whether or not she believes in God was not raised. The simple statement reflecting a HISTORICAL FACT THAT THEY PRAYED cannot POSSIBLY “infringe” or make anyone “fee” inferior. If I say you’re condemned and going to the firey pit, your argument about that and any complaint about that would be WITH THE HISTORICAL FACT THAT I MADE THAT STATEMENT. So, by your own logic, you cannot possibly bring a complaint because you would then be REPEATING A HISTORICAL FACT that was of a religious nature and, as such, should have no standing in court. Your logic pattern is seriously flawed.

      • Mike in MI

        LTCB -
        He has confessed to being homosexual.
        God says such people have “reprobate minds (void of judgment)”.
        ‘Nuff said.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mike in MI” – I HEAR YA, SIR. I RESPECT YOU, SIR; I HOPE YOU BELIEVE ME.

    • Dave

      cah;
      That six year old girl was well within HER constitutional right to mention GOD in a poem relating to her grandfathers experience. I cannot fathom how low an individuals self worth could be; by being; ahem; ” OFFENDED “; by something a six year old was reading in class. Maybe you should think on and ponder this:

      In 1782; the 1st English bible was commissioned by CONGRESS to be distributed in SCHOOLS.

      In 1798 ; those atheists and deists were at it again. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams; along with many signers of the Constitution and The Declaration of Independence PRIVATELY funded the further distribution of Bibles to the nations SCHOOLS. How far as a society and nation this country has fallen; to be held hostage by these half wit shallow cretins; that infest our schools and government. Seriously.

      • Mike in MI

        Dave -
        One thing you need to realize from the start is that almost all libs and progs genuflect at the altar of “Humanism”. This philosophy has been adjudicated and declared a “religion” because the people who devised the philosophic part also assigned actions that should be pursued in respect of the ideas put forth. It is almost, point for point, diametrically opposite to Biblical (God’s revealed) ideas.
        So this, their faith is religious in reality…even if (or though) they don’t realize it nor acknowledge their ideas as such. That is also why they are so fervent about this stuff.

        If a person is “…without God and without hope in this world…(Ephesians 2:12)” whatever you have in your head is pretty much without authority, basis or certainty. So, since their ideas can’t conform to reality the best thing they can do is stick their fingers in their ears and yell inanities (or obscenities) with great vigor.

    • Ross Jones

      Are we still in America? Americans should try reading the book of Isaiah and see what happened to the Jews when they turned away from God.

      • Mike in MI

        Ross Jones –
        In my opinion, if I may state it, a better book is Jeremiah and the parallel history in II Kings and II Chronicles which shows the accounts of what God did for a man who walked and talked with God through an horrific period of history. Jeremiah was brought through the destruction of Jerusalem and Babylonian banishment. Afterwards, he went to his ancestral property in Benjamin and lived out his life there peacefully.

    • http://WWSDeals.com Winfield

      CAH, in response to you first comment, I say “GET A LIFE!” You are such an idiot “nit picker”, not unlike the concerned parent, and the others, who objected to this little girl reading her poem.
      I was too disgusted to read much farther.

    • Deerinwater

      So ???? Explain to us how “a parent” might have known about objectionable content if the child was not permitted to recite her work?

    • Ron

      Christopher Allen Horton mind your own business and stop trying to force your narrow views on others. with y6our inane sentiments.

    • David

      When are people ever going to show tolerance. This has been the problem with this world forever. If we want it to change we need to start practicing tolerance. Not arguing, when will people learn to listen to others point of view. If we are so offended that someone mentions God in a personal poem about her grandfather and some parent can’t sit there and listen without being offended, we are being absolutely ridiculous. What are we teaching our children. Shame on the parent for not just sitting there a listening or choosing to leave during that girls poem. Instead we rob a young girl of her opportunity to express her love for her grandfather. People like this disgust me, ideology over tolerance. This is the wrong message we allow.

    • Ron

      This country was formed under God . Since when is God a religion, Catholics, Jewish etc. are religions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004022485564 Bill Johnson

      freedom of religion is different from freedom from religion

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Horton or is that Whoreton? Get your head out of where the sun don’t shine, get a brain, at least a little of it and explain where you came from? The building where I live said I couldn’t pray at the Christmas Dinner, well after those lawyers with a brain said I had that right via the Constitution, the managers said, No problem, Pray. you don’t like that Mr. get your butt to a place where life is as you want it and leave good Americans alone, you Godless piece of what ever, your not god and never will be, so get over yourself, egoist.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Benjamin Fox,”

        A SENIOR-LIVING FACILITY IS DIFFERENT FROM A SCHOOL.

        “Mr. Fox,” BECAUSE SENIORS ARE (BASICALLY) THE SAME AGE, THEY SHARE SIMILAR VALUES; THEREFORE, IF THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS WANT A CHRISTMAS TREE, SOMETHING CAN BE DONE TO MAKE ALL RESIDENTS HAPPY ABOUT THE SITUATION [maybe, place the tree in a "less traveled" part of the building so opposers do not have to view it].

        ON THE OTHER HAND, “Mr. Fox,” THIS NATION HAS LAWS REQUIRING CHILDREN TO GO TO SCHOOL – THAT MEANS ALL CHILDREN OF ALL RACES AND FAITHS. THEREFORE, IT IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG TO MAKE A Negro-”Nation of Islam-” Child, OR, A Southeast-Asian Buddhist Child HEAR A CAUCASIAN CHILD – A MEMBER OF THE MOST POWERFUL RACE IN THIS NATION – SAY THE WORD,”god.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/kansas.bright Kansas Bright

        Actually you are incorrect. Volunteering in a school district I know.

        Please understand that at Christmas Kwazaa decorations, and other religious decorations are put up, all except Christian. No Christmas tree, all decorations that are “christian” based must only use the word “Holiday” on it.

        That means that those in our government, in public schools, in cities, towns, etc are supporting any religion EXCEPT Christianity (which is banned) – which is ILLEGAL here in the USA.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kansas Bright,”

        CHRISTMAS TREES AND HEBREW CANDLES ARE ON DISPLAY IN MEMPHIS’ SENIOR-LIVING FACILITIES. AT LAST CHECK, THERE WERE NO “RELIGION-SPECIFIC-” HOLIDAY DISPLAYS IN Memphis City Schools.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Well,Chris,would you rather the kid reported that her Grandfather prayed to the Devil when he was in a tight spot! It’s hardly a military secret that there were no aitheists in the foxholes!
      So why penalise the kid for alluding to this well documented historical fact!
      Would you be less offended if some boy wrote a poem about Uncle Oscars’ nostologic report of sodomy in the barracks during war time!
      Joann Flanagan

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Joann Flanagan,”

        YOU MADE YOUR POST TODAY [8 DECEMBER]. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN MY REPLY-COMMENTS? MY OPPOSITION IS MERELY BASED ON SCHOOL SAFETY.

    • Jennifer

      Would you say that preventing this girl from reading her poem might be considered “Prohibiting the free exercise of religion”? The law is for freedom FOR religion, not freedom FROM it. So an atheist might have their feelings hurt if somebody said “God”? Awwwww. How did that little girl, and her family, feel when excluded from sharing her personal experience of how war affected somebody in her family? The law does not exist to keep people’s feelings from being hurt, because anything is bound to hurt SOMEBODY’s feelings. The law’s intent is to protect ACTION…namely the act of expressing one’s faith, or in this case, simply reporting somebody else’s actions of faith

    • Jerry Rutherford

      EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THIS. I have listened to or should I say read all the comments on the 1st Amendment. Most of the oppression is committed by the left as they try to controll education and get more votes to their side with all the Political Correctness and their cause. They oppress children and teachers that want to stray off the path of their complete controll by using fear of losing their jobs and being kicked out of school. “As a White Male and up in age, 50′s. I am not a child or do I work for the system. Because of FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION I can walk in any school in this country and sing that Jesus loves me and Jesus Loves all the little children of the world. That I believe in Jesus and he is my Savior. Not one person would say a word to me because they know the truth. They know what the law says about our freedoms. Anyone want to bet me. Because I can’t be threatened by their BULL SH… that they will fire me or kick me out of school and can’t graduate. WHO WANTS TO DEAL WITH ALL THAT AND THEY KNOW IT… As a citizen of this USA they can’t do anything. And if they did I would bring a lawsuit on them. They only mess with the weak. They are cowards. Do you know what Jesus said about cowards. “They will be at fault as much as the ones that let these things occur and stood by and done nothing”. These people want to be your OPPRESSERS. Last thing. “Jesus said if anyone keeps these little-ones away from me, they will answer to me”. So have faith and let not your heart be troubled. MY dad said if the older people and the children love you you are doing OK.

    • figmo

      You’re kidding right? Christians have been made to feel inferior because their religion is stifled while other religions are fawned over by the media and the government entities such as schools. The Second Amendment simply says that the government “SHALL MAKE NO LAW” regarding the establishment of religion. How that got bastardized to our current rediculous situation where you can’t even say the word “God” is by our courts acting as legislatures. You will notice that the ACLU only files suit to block the christian religion from all public places. They take no action against other religions. They probably get public funding as well as generous donations from Soros to do it with.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Chris,I’ve read the poem “Horatio At The Bridge” including the part where Horatio prays to Father Tiber,the god of the river he’s about to jump into yet I’ve never felt inferior about not believing in the divinity of the Tiber even once!
      Do you want to ban “little Women” too because there is a reference in it to MR March being a chaplain or the Illiad and Odyssy ?
      It’s one thing to have religious doubts. It’s another to hate and persecute religious believers.
      Joann Flanagan

      • Pied Piper

        And at the same time they want to expoit our prosperity that our God bless us with. Wanting what we have in one breath and cursing us in the next. It makes me tired but I have joy standing on the truth. Love to all.

      • Pied Piper

        They persecute everyone. Anyone that is not them. They have no contentment. They even eat their own. Their end justifies the means. They are lovers of themselves.

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