You may be right ! With all the wet backs coming over the border and you liberals kissing there rear ends , However I well fight to the death before i learn to speak wet back .

Well Sir, I don’t know anything about kissing a$$ but Texas has flown under 6 flags and we are a national border state where the indigenous peoples continue to habitat and thrive. This is their home, regardless of which flag is present flown or where the river is at. They are Americans and fought by my side in the jungles of Southeast Asia and I honor and respect them as individuals and their culture.

In my few years as a Mariner, longshoreman, I’ve spent more time interfacing with many cultures and race of people then most. It’s not uncommon to be in the company of a crew of seamen that speak three different languages on a single ship. I confess, it is something demanding on the mind and body not to mention your own diet of choice.

An able body seaman learns to not sweat the small stuff ~ as floating vessels are an unnatural event and mother nature is working 24/7 to pull, ship, cargo and crew down into her dark belly. We learn to depend on each other as the task at hand to too lager to do alone and I would only die trying.

Jimmy the Greek, you are a person void respect for humankind and that will be between you and God to sort out. You will receive all that you have earned before you go. I’m certain.

Voting should no be secret ! the voting machine should spray a colored dot on your forehead with a ink that would not wash off for 90 days , so every one knows who voted for who , That way we would know whose house should be set on fire in the middle of the night !

Jimmy the Greek , you are a sick and twisted man with such an attitude. May you never, ever be called or confused as an American Patriot.

Finally, a REAL Obama lover. Did you get your free cell phone yet?

So tell us Smith how government creates wealth?

David Siegel is no more than a person who didn’t get his way and is seeking revenge. He has the money and power to do so and is continuing a long tradition of Corporate owners who seek out whipping boys.(employees). Same old snick from the robber barons who as in the past have little respect for those who work for them. Those 122 workers are his “useful idiots” and are expendable for his grander plans.

I better correct my typo (122 workers should be 22).

Eddie, please check http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/8/picket-companies-plan-massive-layoffs-obamacare-be/ And those are just medical/scientific companies.

The massive layoffs planned and in the process have nothing to do with revenge. Tell me why a business owner would cut off his nose to spite his face, if he’s engaged in a profitable business with no threat of rising costs.

“Revenge?” C’mon, what sort of revenge, and against whom, do layoffs affect? How does Obama suffer?

Those business owners are not pie-in-the-sky Pollyannas when it comes to making a profit. They seek a more successful business, increased employment and a good retirement. They’re not about to unnecessarily jeopardize that by laying off workers unless they absolutely have to.

Union people that rescued people from Sandy? Haven’t seen em. My Mother, who is 78 years old, has been working with the Red Cross in New Jersey for three weeks with no heat. Nothing but a generator to run some lights. There are 350 homeless people in the shelter she is helping to run. People like her are the ones who are really rescuing the victoms of Sandy. The Union people are doing the job they get paid to do while volunteers stay around the clock to try to help people pick up the pieces of their shattered lives! Get it right.

eddie says, “David Siegel is no more than a person who didn’t get his way and is seeking revenge.”

And how do you explain the unprecedented drops on the DJIA after both the 2008 and 2012 elections? Revenge?

Are you that naive Vigilant? The CEOs are loaded with money and their salaries went up 7-15% under Obama. Siegel is one of those CEOs and is biting the hand that fed him. His gamble is that Romney would only make him even wealthier. That is how those scoundrels operate. The drop in the DJ has little to do with how Siegel thinks.

momo asks: “So tell us Smith how government creates wealth?”

It provides protection through the military so our businesses can operate.

It provides infrastructure like roads so business can move freely about.

It provides legal structure to minimize predatory practices.

It provides police to help with a well regulated society to minimize looting.

It provides supervision through drug laws to minimize drug usage by the population (at least in theory).

It provides most of the education of our population to offer a fine workforce for them to hire from.

Rob

Is this what you were looking for? http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceupbin/2011/06/14/how-to-create-jobs-by-george-mcgovern/

Jill bleats: “Karolyn, It’s apparent you have never owned a business. ”

I have owned a business. When i hired folks I made sure that they contributed their labors to the business so the business made more. That way I got more. They also knew that if they produced more I would pay them more. If they didn’t I fired them.

It’s that simple.

Rob

Amen, Jill. The stupidity behind these comments amaze me. Envy sure is ugly, but the bottom line is this is America, the land of OPPORTUNITY. That opportunity exists for ALL -no exceptions. We all make choices in life, some choose to better themselves while others choose to live off the government. The problem is those who make poor decisions (pun intended) don’t like the consequences they face and expect to be bailed out – - – enter Barack Hussein Obama. This election was about two different value systems – success and failure.

So I wonder how much he donated to the super PAC for Romney ? You think it may have amounted to the combined salaries of all impacted ? BTW , of all his employees voted for Romney and still lost their jobs then Romney is in fact a job killer. This was just a way to do more with less. The man is un-american .

Jill asks: “Tell us about how you overcame government rules and regulations to make your business prosper ”

All I asked for was a LEVEL playing field. ALL businesses were responsible for their taxes, etc.

America doesn’t have a level playing field in the world market. Japan, England, and other car producing countries don’t have to pay for inusrance for their employees because of the much less expensive universal health care they have.

As a businessman I would be relieved if I don’t have to worry about health care for my employees. Then I would be able to concentrate on my product, NOT on that aspect of controlling employees.

Rob

Hey Smith, I own a business and the health care for my employees is up 10 percent, I’m so glad Obamacare is holding down costs—NOT!

Robin asks: “Why do people always want to penalize someone that had success in their life….”

If I had to pay taxes on $5,000,000 I’d feel much better than paying taxes on $50,000.

Maybe you should recalibrate your greed.

Rob

Listen to this altruistic sap. Get real Smith.

RobinPC obviously is ignorant in how Siegel got his wealth. Although he started out helping people buying into purchasing a “second home” or a piece of the American dream it turned into an expensive proposition for millions of others. This is another case of where the Middle Class got sucked into buying into the Timeshare Industry without realizing they paid too much.Unfortunetly there are suckers born every minute and David Siegel promised them rainbows instead many eneded up with expensive albatrosses and debt.

Rob “The Shill” Smith says, “Maybe you should recalibrate your greed.”

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

Vigilant says:
November 12, 2012 at 9:44 am
Rob “The Shill” Smith says, “Maybe you should recalibrate your greed.”

Greed isn’t someone wanting to keep more of what they earn; it’s people demanding a greater share of money that someone else has earned.

I say; Vigilant you leave me to ask, where is this “greed” is best displayed in your eyes?

If some of the 2% , say like Mitt Romney manage to avoid paying any Federal Taxes at all, I tend to believe you might see that as not greed at all but simply being very cleaver.

It’s communist propaganda pure and simple.People eat up the class warfare til there are no boat rowers left,only riders.

Oh! and I take it that you see yourself as a rower? and a bunch of strangers riding in your boat?

Here is just how strong people believe and hate Obama! ~ Tell me got how normal this behavior is,

Saturday after she allegedly chased her husband around a Gilbert parking lot in an SUV during an argument over the presidential election.

The woman finally ran over her husband, leaving him with critical injuries.
According to a Gilbert police report, the argument started over her husband’s lack of voter participation in the recent election.

Holly Solomon, 28, apparently believed her family was going to face hardship as a result of President Barack Obama’s re-election.

Solomon’s husband, Daniel Solomon, told police his wife “just hated Obama” and was very angry he was re-elected and blamed the President for problems her family is going through.

Witnesses reported a lot of yelling just before Holly got into a Jeep SUV and began chasing her husband through the parking lot near Gilbert and Elliot roads.
“He got out of the car and she was screaming at him. And he started walking away and she started driving in circles around him and she wouldn’t let him go so finally he took off to try to get away and she ran into him,” a called told a 911 dispatcher.

Daniel reportedly took refuge behind a light pole while Holly drove around the pole several times while continuing to yell at him.
Police said Daniel tried to run away toward Gilbert Road as Holly pursued him in the vehicle.
She eventually struck her husband and he was pinned underneath, between the vehicle and a curb.
Daniel was taken to Scottsdale Healthcare Osborn Medical Center and remains there in critical condition, according to police.

Holly was taken into custody and booked into jail for domestic violence charges of aggravated assault.
Police said there were no indications that Holly was impaired by alcohol or drugs during the incident.
According to a police report, Daniel told police his wife is six months pregnant.

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/gilbert/gilbert-pd-man-run-over-by-wife-for-not-voting#ixzz2C6HGoYvj

Are all the other pizza makers exempt or is it a level playing field?

Rob

Not too long ago, there was an interview posted with George McGovern, who, in retirement, had tried to open a business. He went broke. He made the comment that had he realized how onerous the regulatioins were, he never would have voted for them.

And this is one of the greatest arguements for term limits and having all laws apply equally to Congress. If our representatives had to go back to being regular citizens subject to what they have passed, they might have a different view of things. 12 years cumulative should be plenty for elected positions, and civil service positions should be limited to 20 years. For every year of service, you must abstain from business dealings with the government for a like number of years (no lobbying, no being on the board of a government supplier etc)

From box: :He made the comment that had he realized how onerous the regulatioins were, he never would have voted for them.”

Did you make that up by yourself, or can you cite someplace where we can all see it?

Rob

Robert Smith: Did you make that up by yourself, or can you cite someplace where we can all see it?

An article by McGovern, for Inc. magazine. http://www.inc.com/magazine/19931201/3809.html

Jon, having your employees take home more money than you do is one of the risks of owning and operating your own business. Have been in that boat a time or two myself, when my paid help actually had more money to spend as he pleased than I did. But, I was the one responsible for seeing to it he had a place to work, incidentally, where I could work as well, and seeing to it all the bills were paid. Again, that is one of the pains of being an entrepreneur. I have talked with people who make a living figuring things out, and each employee you hire will cost you between two and three times his or her wages, all a part of what you have to figure as your total overhead..

“Some people no [sic] how to save and run a business ,Some cant [sic] if you are one of those woh [sic] cant [sic],dont blame someone who can .”

When that business fails due to incompetence, it’s called the risks of entrepreneurship. When that business fails due to onerous government regulation and confiscatory taxation, that’s called “criminal.”

Obamacare is clearly in the latter category.

Vigelant claims: “When that business fails due to onerous government regulation and confiscatory taxation, that’s called “criminal.”

Really? Tell us which “onerous” rules killed the business. Were those rules any different for the dead business than those for businesses in the same field that it was competing against for sales, employees, or any other factors?

Why blame Obama for one’s own failure? Ohhhhhhhh, I get it. If they win it’s all on them, if they lose it’s Obama.

Thanks for leading me to that insight.

Rob

and In Australia its getting so expensive for employers that the only way to retire is to go bankrupt or keep the business running until you can find another sap who thinks he can do better to take it over.

Employers have to pay PAYROLL TAX to the States, imagine that as a tax? Superannuation levey of 9% on wages going up to 12% is not a 3% increase but a 33% increase which might knock out a few more businesses or send the work to China where such taxes and levies dont exist. Workers compensation levys, maternity leave paternity leave paid for by the emplioyers ontop of 4 weeks annual leave plus holiday leave loading 17.5% and sick leave paid, public holidays paid, and a multitude of other clever payments in the building & construction industries which are now retrenching staff…300 home builders did not renew their registrations this year in the State of Victoria and building workers are already starting to get laid off by Christmas due to lack of home building jobs on their books tells the story of employers going on strike and closing down. So much for our clever politicians in our federal government who were all once union representatives and raised on bullying the employers to pay more to their workers.

Increasing wages in the private sector had the effect of increasing wages for both men and women government workers who cant lose their jobs, but private jobs are lost…with fewer people enjoying those wage increases with most jobs going overseas to cheaper producers, but the government workers dont lose their jobs or have their wages reduced…so we have less tax payers paying more each to cover the wages of useless government ‘workers’ dictators keeping their office chairs warm.

“This best way to illustrate that is to let the people who are destroying the country and its freedoms with their votes be the first to suffer the consequences of their votes”

And I suppose that is the way you see it happening?

Well Sir, ~ that is in deed a twisted narrow view and understanding about what has been taking place in our nation since 1983.

Wasting my time to protest your statement will be all you will ever get from me.

We American’s have bailed out Wall Street , fought two insane wars with a 7 trillion dollars price tag , killing 9,700 Coalition forces from your G Damn vote ~ !!! and you come here with that lame crap?

You come across as just a noise, greedy end of a long gut.

“The cost of health care was going up out of control for decades before this election.”

And Obamacare is accelerating that increase, not reducing it as he promised.

“It isn’t just greed. It’s CONTROL of the workforce. If people can be insured reaonably [sic] without having an employer the only surce [sic] for insurance people are more free in America.”

You didn’t excel in mathematics in school, did you, RS? Obamacare will decrease our freedom by requiring the working taxpayers to foot the bill for the 47%. Take away my property to redistribute it and you have reduced freedom. You leftists DO understand this, but won’t admit it.

You want to talk about CONTROL of the workforce? Look to Obamacare and you need look no further.

Just another aspect of government control in America.

Vigilant says:
November 12, 2012 at 9:25 am
“The cost of health care was going up out of control for decades before this election.”

And Obamacare is accelerating that increase, not reducing it as he promised.

That is nothing more than your predictions based on your hatred of Obamacare, it has not taken effect as yet so you actually do jot know that. CBO predicates a trillion dollar or more savings for the ten years after supplementation. In effect now in Obamacare is the limitation on insurance overhead to 15 & 20% , if they are greater they have to be refunded to the person paying for the insurance premium and much was refunded this year. Before overhead was 25-40%,sure looks like savings to me, simple arithmetic, can you add & subtract? The law is entitled “The affordable care act” Time will prove you wrong. We need to do more on costs though but this is a very good start and without Obama nothing would have changed and cost would have continued its obscene increases in premiums and all know something had to be done and it was to bad that GOP did not cooperate and share in the credit. It will be better but not still good enough.

Smilee says, “CBO predicates a trillion dollar or more savings for the ten years after supplementation.”

Smilee’s knowledge of economic facts is as poor as his interpretation of the Constitution.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/07/27/cbo-obamacare-will-spend-more-tax-more-and-reduce-the-deficit-less-than-we-previously-thought/

CBO estimates show a doubling of costs to the taxpayer and not even a dent in the deficit.

If ignorance is bliss, then Smilee’s a blissful person.

Smilee, I don’t know how Obamacare will work in the long run, but I do know that since it was passed, my employer has had to make changes to my coverage, (probably due to anticipating the additional costs). I now have less coverage, and have to pay more out of my check to maintain it. Obamacare has already cost me more, and it hasn’t even been implemented yet.

The private healthcare industry has been shafting us for many generations. They have raised the costs by leaps and bounds for all these years and the thing about “Obamacare” is that the same uncontrollable private insurers are still in charge Mikey. The costs will go up because that is what they have done for years and what they know best. It isn’t about healthcare anymore its about feeding the stockholders and pleasing them.

From Vigilant: “You want to talk about CONTROL of the workforce? Look to Obamacare and you need look no further.”

What are these folks supposed to do? They worked for decades in some cases, and now they won’t get what they earned: “2:38PM EST November 6. 2012 – Eastman Kodak won court approval Monday to quit providing health and welfare benefits to 56,000 U.S. retirees and dependents.”

That’s from: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/11/05/kodak-retirees-lose-benefits/1684135/

They need Obamacare.

Rob

If I were a Millionair or Billionair I would find a safe haven for my money just as all of you that have a brain would also do. Why would I as a rich person who built my business want to give more than 50% of my money to the non working Illegal Alien population and a CORRUPT WASHINGTON D.C. AND A MARXIST/MUSLIM PRESIDENT WHO USED VOTER FRAUD TO STAY IN OFFICE???? Viet Nam Vet 67-68

Can we have a good discussion on the role of insurance in our lives?
Like… how much would health care cost us if insurance were illegal?
Think that one thru carefully.
How did we stay well before insurance?
How did we pay the Doc before insurance?
How did the cost of care change AFTER insurance was invented.
What did Doc’s do about poor people paying before insurance?
It seems to me the health care crisis is ACTUALLY just a BILLING problem, how can Doc get paid full for treating poor people.
If you force coverage for everyone, (even those leading a “clean” life) how is that different from communism?.
Insurance is a wealth distributing mechanism.
And think about it. Where does the money come from to pay the wages of those employed in the insurance business come from?? You. Now if insurance was illegal the cost of administering insurance would be removed from the cost of health care. And then health care costs would go down.
Can we have a discussion about insurance?
If I smoke should I pay more for insurance? I could get cancer and then everyone could help me pay for my unclean living, and I would not get the full force of my bad decisions, but I could share those costs with those who chose clean living. I could trip and fall and someone else would feel the skinned knee. And I could live “dirty” and not get the personal consequences from how I lived my life, but rather share them with clean living people. It’s OK go eat fatty foods and get overweight and someone else will pay for your treatments?.
If there is insurance them there is a BIG WAD of money that you can target, O the doctor hurt me so I want 2 million dollars. But who pays the million dollars? insurance? all the other insurance subscribers?. If there was no big wad of money then no one would try to target it with law suits.
Remove insurance and then look at everything again. Insurance has driven the cost of simple health care thru the roof.
INSURANCE IS THE PROBLEM.

VietNam Vet I assume that you are at least 60 if there is any truth in your name. Which side did you fight for in Vietnam? Because your inability to write and spell English could either be due to the fact you are from North Vietnam or because you are an ill-educated fool. If your real name isnt Nyugen and you are just a cracker who cannot spell it would be smart not to call people a moron because it highlights how very stupid you are. Of course your belief in the veracity of the crackpot sources you quote is indicative of your stupidity even if you could write above the level of a 3rd grader. Still you probably hold that education is a liberal plot. Why is it that there is this belief amongst the right wing (= white southern male) that truly believes that being ignorant and stupid is a virtue.

@ John I am sixty and was draft bate in 1969 , You have no class saying to that man what you said , And what did you do back then ? stay in school or run to Canada . that is all i have to say .

Viet Nam Vet 67-68 says, you appear to be spamming us with your drivel.

Rob

Exactly correct.

The NeoCons are rooting for bad news to blame on the President. When good news happen, they either deny it and claim it’s falsified, or they find something bad in it, or they suggest the good news is due to something some repub did.