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Americans Vote For Gridlock

November 7, 2012 by  

Americans Vote For Gridlock
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Let the gridlock continue.

A 50/50 Nation voted to tack two more years of gridlock onto the two we’ve just endured by sending the undocumented White House usurper back to the White House along with a divided legislative branch.

The margin was a razor-thin 1.5 million votes out of more than 110 million cast. But President Barack Obama collected more than 300 electoral votes by taking all the so-called swing States (Florida remained too close to call early this morning). Democrats maintained control of the Senate, and Republicans held the House. The final numbers were still to be determined.

In his victory speech, Obama doubled down on his vacuous and Marxist-inspired slogan: “Forward.” Why anyone wants to continue forward with unemployment above 20 percent, rising food stamp rolls, inflation, a bottom-bouncing housing market, money printing and drone wars is beyond me.

Of course, when you consider the alternative was essentially a clone of the incumbent, why not stay with the horse you’re familiar with?

Republicans pinned their hopes on a disgruntled Democratic electorate and an “anybody-but-Obama” mindset. But putting a progressive candidate up against another progressive was not a winning strategy in 2008. It wasn’t this time either.

Republican voters are obviously disheartened this morning. They should take heart. The false left-right paradigm may finally be on its death bed. We know that conventional wisdom holds that Republican policies favor the rich while Democratic policies favor the middle class. But when  more money printing, Federal spending and redistributionist tax policies take us over the fiscal cliff, progressives will no longer be able to blame conservative fiscal policies.

Had Romney won, we still would be headed over the fiscal cliff. Progressives would have falsely pinned the blame on conservatives.

It’s going to be interesting watching the Republicans’ post-mortem on the election. Already, the talking heads are laughingly blaming Romney’s conservatism. The Tea Party/conservative wing is blaming his liberalism.

Conservative voters — duped by the neocons into supporting Pax Americana and subverting American foreign policy to Israel — no longer have a home. Their ideas are rejected by the GOP, and they reject the libertarians and anti-imperialist, sound-money conservatives.

Meanwhile, the entitlement class grows. Obamacare has been set in stone. Several States, including my home State of Alabama, voted to nullify it. But as the U.S. Supreme Court has as little regard for the Constitution as the political class, there is little chance that any efforts to stand up to Federal overreach will succeed.

So here’s what’s next: sequestration, the fiscal cliff and the debt limit must be dealt with by a lame-duck Congress. That means tax increases or default (neither Democrats nor Republicans will cut spending). Then Obamacare taxes kick in in 2014.

Obamacare will lead to job losses. Physicians are saying they’ll have to close their doors. Employers are saying they will cut workers’ hours rather than pay the additional taxes.

The war on coal, oil and natural gas will continue. Obama’s EPA will continue its unfettered assault on fossil fuels.

Green crony capitalism will continue. Obama will continue to pump money into doomed green industries, ignoring that wind will not power the millions of gasoline engines tooling down the Nation’s highways.

Drone wars will continue. Obama has made it clear Congress is irrelevant. The anti-war left is silent.

It will be interesting to watch what the GOP does with Obama scandals Fast and Furious and Benghazi, Libya. Obama and his Attorney Criminal Eric Holder have clearly lied to Congress and the American people about these two scandals. People died and Obama lied.

Holder clearly ignores the rule of law. Senate Democrats have no interest in these two issues. Mainstream media whores have all but ignored both scandals.

Any efforts to hold Obama accountable will occur in an echo chamber.

So what will the next two (or four) years look like? Just like the last two.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Alex

    As laughable and increasingly irrelevant as the GOP has made itself, I don’t believe they are stupid enough to continue the two-year Tea Party temper tantrum that has made the pledge to Grover Norquist take precedence over their pledge of office.

    The people have stated, over and over, that it is time to allow the Bush tax Cuts for the wealthiest amongst us to expire. Should the GOP House continue to deny war veterans and first-responders to make their nasty Norquist statement they will be flushed from the House as quickly as they flooded it in ’010.

    President Barack Hussein Obama has lighted the path to the White House for either Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren in 2016. Any continued Republican interference will serve only to guarantee eight more years of Democratic Party administrations and to hasten the death of the Grand Old Party. The GOP can blame only themselves and their archaic and mindless patriotic pantomimes for the fact that the young of this country are lost to them.

    You had your shot, and you blew it…

    • bushpilot

      Herman Cain was right; “stupidity is killing America!”

    • momo

      Hey Alex the GOP still controls the House, or do you just want to overlook that?

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        We dont overlook nothing, We try to see it like it is and expect anything at anytime, We don’t turn things to our own meaning. we go by reality, and that is sense.

      • eddie47d

        The Republicans said Aiken’s was a shoe in for Missouri and stood behind his rape remark. He lost because good Americans reject that kind of talk.

      • momo

        I doubt if you bozos have ever been in reality. More likely in a drug dazed stupor.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        MO MO Mo how do you like it .. how do you like it ..MO Mo Mo … how do you like it how do you like it ..Mo Mo Mo … isn’t that a song ???

    • S.C.Murf

      Another satanist heard from

      up the hill
      airborne

    • sam1966

      Do you always have to show just how less intelligent you are Alex? Though it is true that we don’t know who will be running in 2016, but you may be surprised at the contenders. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      “God rules in the armies of Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human councels are but foolishness.”

      John Hancock

  • DaveH

    Lol. How many of you out there ranked all over those of us who offered the way out?
    You admonished those who chose to actually vote for Principles as wasting their votes.
    And now who has wasted their votes? And for what? All you would have gotten is more of the same, but in a slower less-detectable manner.
    You deserve what you are going to get from those who are putting you on the Road to Serfdom.

    • Flashy

      Such wisdom…

      Yes DaveH, i am being 100% sarcastic .

      Let me guess…you have a Mises link available.

      • DaveH

        Let me guess, Flashman, you have NO links available to back up your nonsense. Easy guess.

      • Flashy

        DaveH…if you dispute my facts, find them in error. If you dispute my analysis, argue against it. Your usual modis operandi is to either denigrate or post some link which is usually not on point but has a catchy sounding title (you really should read before you post a link and make a statement about what it says ;) .

        Vig and, when he was around, 45 caliber, don’t seem to have any issue with good hearty debate and do their own research.

        Whether you are lazy, haven’t the intellect, or just cannot accept fact and reality…whatever the reason…that’s your problem.

      • DaveH

        Do you honestly think anybody can’t see through your BS, Flashman?
        You’re a joke. And you have no credibility on this board.

      • Flashy

        got a Mises link for that DaveH?

      • DaveH

        Polly want a Cracker?
        Barrackk.

  • JimCO

    Bob, have you even checked out how well Romney got along with legislators in Massachusetts, they all complained that he never bothered to learn their names. He boasts of vetoing 800 bills, not mentioning that they over rode almost every single one. That he went from a high of 66% approval to 34% by his last year in office, hardly sounds like the bipartisan guy he claimed to be … Obama looks loved compared to him.

    • Paul

      Good post JimCo. also, Mass. and Mich. both went for President Obama. I think that says a lot about his record too.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Romney does not like a president.He do not have the correct poisture, he has a fake smile and when he finishes a speech and when gets ready to go, he cronks his back with his wife pulling him one side and he the other direction,with that fake smile of his.

      • DaveH

        The anatomy of what goes into Liberal Progressive election thinking.

      • sam1966

        Walter and Renee really show their ignorance here. Massachusetts tends to vote libtard due to the Kennedys, Kerrys, and other low life politicians from that state. Michigan tends to vote libtard due to the presence of unions. Maybe one day unions will wake up and realize that libtards don’t really support them. Just try to get their votes then throw them under the bus. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “The foundations of our society and our government rest so much on the teachings of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country.”

        Calvin Coolidge

    • Big Woody

      You forgot to mention that Romney did get the job done in Mass. The deficit was turned into a surplus. The schools were brought to the top of the nation. To the glee of the democrats an effective healthcare program was instituted.(though it is now in serious financial straits) The man that corrects the financial problems of the Unided States is going to have to do a lot of unpopular things. We cannot keep spending more than we have. Period. Kicking the can down the road to the next administration and blaming the last administration is not going to work forever.

  • Dorsetgal

    Bob, you’re exactly right. Be careful what you wish for Obama supporters. The garbage is coming down the pike to the middle class as well as the more affluent whether you like it or not. When you have more with their hands out than putting into the system, the money has to come from all of those in the workforce, not just the rich. The smoke and mirrors you have been fed by the divider-in-chief are coming to bite us all in the backside. More of the same in Congress? You bet. Harry Reid tabling issues important to our economic stability, you bet. No budget by the Senate, you bet. Obamacare to ruin our Healthcare system, you bet. I could go on, but you get the picture. We are in for a very rocky road headed up by a president that prefers to govern as a dictator with executive orders by the hundreds to get his agenda pushed through without care of Congress or Constitution. We are in deep doo doo and our jobs creators…Well we can forget about those new jobs too. Money will remain on the sidelines by small business and corporations. Many will close their doors following this election. Obamacare will wipe out many opportunities for small business to survive. It will be interesting to see what America looks like by 2016, or worse, will we survive these next four years. I have my doubts ~

    • LITTLE JOHN

      Dorsetgal, you hit it buddy, right on the nail… we are done.. our nation is all but dead. I guess I have been living in a dream to think, how great our nation is… I have fought in a war to protect what…. I thought my country, my family, for the future of a greater place for my children… it is shamful that this country has come to this place… a place of disspair if upon us all…. GOD has been kicked out of the United States of America…. we are no longer a United States of America, we are the Divided States of America and divided we will fall, heck we have fallen. So I guess we need to pack up and go to the hills and wait and hide and wait and die………………

  • Johnny Bailey

    The producers in America are now outnumbered by the takers. This election clarified that. We didn’t merely lose an election last night; what we lost was our last options for saving this nation as a 50 state Business model. There IS NO UNITED states. There hasn’t been for some time now. We are 2 countries occupying the same geographical space. Socialism on 1 side, Constitutionalism on the other. And the fuse has just been lit…….
    That being said, i see only 2 viable options for saving WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE BELIEVE;

    1) SUCESSION
    2) BALKANIZATION

    Realistically, THESE are the 2 only remaining options if you want your children and grandchildren to breathe free air. Otherwise, we surrender to the forces of Socialism, and lay down like dogs as our Constitutional Republic gets dissected and torn apart by the parasitic Socialist.
    It’s time to face a harsh reality, folks. Think hard on it. What’s it gonna be? The political solution has failed us miserably, and will continue to do so. To hang your hopes on a political solution for the future to rescue us is fantasy. We are left with no options.

    • Flashy

      “That being said, i see only 2 viable options for saving WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE BELIEVE;

      1) SUCESSION
      2) BALKANIZATION”

      In other words, I call myself a patriot, yet I will not accept the decision of a MAJORITY of the voters. So instead of being patriotic and accepting the fact the PEOPLE decided, I call for the destruction of this Nation.

      Dang…how patriotic…

      • rhcrest

        Whyshould we accept living under socialism just because a majority of voters have decided they want to live off the minority. I hope all the democrat voters drop dead

      • momo

        No, I don’t accept the tyranny of the majority. When you give freebies to different constitiuents you get elected, simple and yet dangerous.

      • hipshotpercusion

        I have to buy more ammo while i still can. Saddle up, lock and load!

      • DaveH

        The Federal Government, under the Constitution, has no Powers other than those granted in the Constitution, no matter how many votes to the contrary.
        Our Constitution:
        https://www.cato.org/constitution/constitution_en.html

      • Texas Ride

        We are a divided country, those that work and provide versus the takers and whiners.

        I purpose that the providers take their skills and leave the unholy Union. The takers can fend for themselves and depend on the socialist government of omaumau.

        Just think how great that would work! The takers could enjoy all the socialism they want and the providers could keep the profits from their own labor! A win-win for all…Lets do it.

      • DaveH

        Secession is in our Future:
        http://mises.org/daily/3427

      • Flashy

        Texas —> “I purpose that the providers take their skills and leave the unholy Union. The takers can fend for themselves”

        Texas…from what i understand, the Red states receive far more in federal largesse than they send in. And the Blue states don’t receive back in federal spending what they send in.

        So….now who are these providers you’re speaking about?

      • eddie47d

        They bragged about a Romney landslides and now they can’t handle all their false predictions!

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “They bragged about a Romney landslides and now they can’t handle all their false predictions!”

        They’ve been readying their excuses for if Obama won for almost 2 weeks now. Ho Hum

      • DaveH

        You work really hard to keep the Left/Right paradigm going, don’t you Flashman?

      • Flashy

        No Dave….just pointing out to texas (and you)…the states which have high union membership, higher education levels of population, more regulation on business, more social freedoms for the people … have higher incomes and send more to the federal treasury than they receive in federal assistance.

        The Red states take monies more than they send in and then complain about “gubbinint” and how “free’ they are and don’t need the government monies.

        I’d venture if you looked at those who railed against the Stimulus package, who rail against federal spending and taxes…you’d see the same holding out their hands demanding federal funds because they can’t make it without such. Paul Ryan and both Pauls are good examples…

      • sam1966

        A patriot may not ask for the destruction of this nation Flashy, but a patriot will try to correct their country when it is going in the wrong direction. Since you seen to approve of our going the wrong direction, then you are no patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        “I tremble for my country when I hear of confidence expressed in me. I know too well my weakness, that our only hope is in God.”

        “In all my perplexities and distresses the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength.”

        “My chief concern is to be a humble, earnest Christian.”

        Robert E. Lee

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a03-gFsJVdM&feature=related
        Lee’s farewell order where he mentions God.

    • DaveH

      For those who would like to understand the concept of Nullification more thoroughly:
      https://mises.org/store/Product2.aspx?ProductId=10393

      • Flashy

        DaveH….do you actually believe that junk? Factual errors, leaps of faith without any basis for the assumptions, obvious flaws of analysis….and calling for nothing less than the destruction of this nation.

        Wow…

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    Nov 6…A very very sad day for thinking working Americans.

    All those warning us over recent years that dependency, socialism, gullible ignorance and thuggishness were winning were right!

    America will now go from its knees to on its back as a bold lying utopian socialist thug rules by Executive Orders/lies/false promises and economic ignorance.

    More tens of millions will suffer the personal pain of naturally toxic policies/higher taxes/fuel and food prices/nationalized health care/job shortages etc.

    Do not complain if you think times are tough now…its the O-normal…and the corrupt pawn media will continue to change the dimdem dirty diapers.

    (BTW, the Republican establishment again gave us a loser)

    • beebee

      Reelman1946, you say the republicans once again gave us a loser. Well, so did the dumbocrats! Just because “o” once again successfully stole the election, doesn’t mean he is the “winner”. He’s just the puppet of those who want to destroy this country. Evil begets evil. It would be interestinig to see the actual verified numbers. How many people voted, and how many votes were cast? If the two figures don’t match, then that would tell the story. More votes cast than people who voted?Hmmmmmmmmm……….

  • Flashy

    Well Mr. Livingston, you read the decision of Amricans that they voted for two more years of gridlock. it is far from the fact. The People…yes, those who decide the course of this nation, decided by a political mandate, for President Obama to continue his policies of protecting the Middle Class and righting this nation from the ills brought upon us by the policies of the extremists.

    Florida looks like it will be an Obama majority. This gives president Obama 332 Electoral votes (have you discussed with Root how he blew that call ?). This mandate exceeded even my largest optimistic tally. Any time the Electoral exceeds 330, it has been viewed as a landslide and a spanking rejection of the opposition. Of even more significance, President Obama joins FDR as being the only Democratic presidents to garner over 50% of the popular vote in two elections. Yes…only FDR held that honor prior to being joined by President Obama.

    the Senate, unburdened and untouched by political gerrymandering, also had a GAIN of seats for the Democrats.

    It’s clear. TWICE the majority of voters have given Barack Obama the mantle of the Presidency. TWICE Pres. Obama has garnered landslide majorities in the electoral college. The PEOPLE have spoken and rejected the stance of the extremist opposition. To say one is a patriot, and yet oppose the decision of a MAJORITY of voters is to deny patriotism, the American political system, and any claim of wanting freedom, liberty, and the People to have their decisions honored and respected … is to be false to the claim.

    The People have spoken and given their full support to this President. Like their decision or not, a TRUE patriot will stand aside and instruct their representatives to honor this decision and allow him to lead and put forth the policies which a MAJORITY of the PEOPLE have decided is best.

    • bushpilot

      Yum, let me have a sip of that KoolAid you are drinking!

    • Jon

      It’s clear that we live in a heathen nation and the majority want their free hand-outs given to them by the politicians that take it from the taxpayers. That’s all that is clear to me FLASHY! Go to some other site to spew your trash rhetoric.

    • rhcrest

      You’re a fool. Obamhates the middle class and seeks to destroy it. Don’t come crying to us when the shiz hits the fan. I hope you get lots of shiz flying your way. You and your ilk deserve the worst of fates for what you have done to this country. I will pray daily that God will exact revenge on you

      • mark

        Thanks for the Christian sentiments, rhcrest. I can see by your words that you are a man of God. I love you and your family too.

      • alicia

        “I will pray daily that God will exact revenge on you.” Really Christian like, right!

      • eddie47d

        Stop embarrassing us Christians rhcrest! You are beyond being a fallen angel!

      • walter agard

        rhcrest, don’t blame GOD on this because he dose’nt take BRIBES.

    • momo

      And the Republicans retained control of the House, so what’s changed? Nothing!

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Subject: what I would be asking if I were SPEAKER Boehner

        Wall Street has Been kept Funded with FED QE Monetization , and this QE spending has also been the other end of the candle Obama has Been burning when it comes to Social Welfare , so this candle is about burned up , as the sign to me is China shrinking the parts supplies we Import to take less dollars in an attempt to boost their current holdings of dollars , and this is causing us inflation on our shrinking supply …. This is where I think the cross roads become tricky because How does Wall Street stay afloat when this Shrinking supply from ASIA needs to offset with more production here in the states but that is a hard financial step to obtain solvency with and at the same time REGULATION is a impossible bridge to cross ….. This is where the VOICES of the Conservative party can keep the pressure on stating this That Obama can’t keep blaming bush for the position Obama has Put himself and the Country in between Excessive Environmental Regulations and a Abusive tax code that Does Nothing to create incentives to Inspire a Investment in a parts supply we cannot obtain from the past suppliers anymore , so Obama whats it going to be SIR , is what I would be asking if I were SPEAKER Boehner .

    • hipshotpercusion

      Just like Hitler, right, Flashy? You are really a moron!

      • Toy

        Lenin:”The Middle classes?” “Taxation and inflation, will Take care of them.”

      • Texas Ride

        You bet he is a moron! He just parrots what he is told because no person could actually be that stupid….

      • DaveH

        Flashman is not a moron, hipshot.
        He’s a Propagandist.
        He’s a Liar.
        He condones violence against those who disagree with him.
        He condones theft.
        He Plagiarizes other peoples’ work.
        He assumes multiple identities.
        But he’s not a Moron. He just has no credibility.

      • Flashy

        Twice now, more than 50% of the voters elected the man (only Dem Pres. other than FDR to have two election victories of more than 50% of the voters). Twice now he won by landslide margins in the Electoral vote. twice now the extremists were told by the majority of voters that the extremist positions are rejected.

        Y’all are saying that calling for the rejection of the majority of voters is “patriotic” ? Rejecting our system of deciding is a disaster? Let me ask….

        When a majority of the People say your way is wrong, what makes you think you are correct and the majority decision is so wrong as to be overridden? i believe that would mean you are calling for a dictatorship where the People have a choice…your way or go away.

      • Texas Ride

        DaveH you are right, the flashman is all those things and more. He embodies everything we are against in the war of ideologies.

        More importantly, Just because Flash claims the majority is on his side that doesn’t mean that his majority is moral, right or that they should make decision. Hence we had a Republic! Besides, No majority elected omaumau. The fix was in, long before the first vote was cast, just like in 2008. The people don’t pick their own leaders.

        If this were a real government, Forty-seven percent of his majority shouldn’t be voting! No person unwilling to take care of themselves should have a vote! The providers should be the only ones voting, they are the ones paying the bills FOR EVERONE! And, it is THEIR MONEY that runs the government. People should have to put something in before they take something out! This includes foreigners and illegals.

        Yes, that is correct, Flash! Derelicts that live off other people’s money should not have the right to vote, make the laws, or chose the leader that will redistribute wealth to them.
        Keep it up and the providers will opt out of your world!

      • eddie47d

        If the fix was in for Obama Texas Ride then the fix was really in for G Bush since he was already an Insider. Thanks for delivering George to us.

    • Hedgehog

      Flashy:
      I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it now; “There is no way that Obama won this election honestly.”. I’m not a Christian and I don’t believe in Hell, but after four more years of Obama you will! Maybe you’ll be one of the lucky ones and the death squads will grab you early. After all you have been posting to this website. It doesn’t matter that you have been saying good things about Obama, guilt by association you know.

      • mark

        The death squads? Oh, right, now that Obama is elected for a second term all the churches will be closed and turned into mosques, all political parties and media outlets shut down, all the old people executed before death panels, all remaining non-Obama voters will be shipped to FEMA concentration camps, and Sharia Law will be instituted. Oh, almost forgot, and Obama is going to take away everyone’s guns – Obama and the UN! You guys have been spouting this endless, paranoid drivel for years. It just never comes true. Oh but wait, you claim, wait until he wins his second term, then Obama will do all of this! Yeah, right. Well nothing remotely like this is happening after Obama’s big victory – and why is that? Oh, but wait, it will happen after his second inauguration! No, no it will all start after the 2114 election! No, no, right before the 2016 election so he can run unconstitutionally for a third time!! Yeah, right. Please. Seek some medical help. It is available. And there is no shame whatsoever in being treated for mental problems today unlike in the past.

      • DaveH

        Mark,
        Weren’t you the one who was arguing against me a few weeks ago about the 2008 Stock Market downturn being a result of Obama’s pending election?
        Dow sharply lower (-240 points) this morning after Obama re-election.

      • eddie47d

        Hedgehog is still trying to give Canada a bad name and hardly a positive draw for that nation. Are you in charge of the Canadian “death squads” since you seem to fancy such talk?

      • Flashy

        “I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it now; “There is no way that Obama won this election honestly.”.” <— hedgehog

        OK…so according to you since the voters said you are full of hot air, and gave President Obama a huge mandate…it wasn't an honest election. Hokayyyy … and it would have only been honest if president Obama lost?

        Wow…such logic. I am ….. at a loss for words…

      • sam1966

        Here is what another arrogant fool puppet of Obama bin Laden is saying about Sandy.

        http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/07/chris-matthews-obamas-win-i-am-so-glad-we-had-storm-last-week

        Why does this fool want to give credit to a storm for Obama’s win? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “The only assurance for our nation’s safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion (Christianity).”

        Abraham Lincoln

    • LITTLE JOHN

      You must be a person who has never been outside the United States of America. You are a fool, you have been swayed by the, as they say koolaid. There will be no middle class anymore and it will end shortly, and fast now. There will be more executive orders over riding our Constitution and all the systems will fail. There will be civil unrest as soon as the money runs out for the free loaders in this country. Our homes will be burned in an attempt to take what is ours and not theirs. Our freedoms will go away, and it will start with gun control. An unarmed people are easy to govern, for they can not defend themselves anylonger. The United States of America will become a third world country and we will die. There will no longer be grandparents, for they will die with obamacare. The elderly will only be getting comfort care, and you can count on that. There will not be enough doctors to care for the sick, and the worlds greates health care will die. So get ready Flashy, get ready for doomsday for it is upon us. Obama hates the United States of America and you have given him the power to destroy our great nation. Oh, and get ready for the big surprize that you could not see, this country will now become a muslim country real fast, the muslim brotherhood will be taking over just like egypt. So get ready here they come. Our military will be disassembled by obama, making us the weakest nation in the world.

      • Texas Ride

        Yes, omaumau will cut our military and defenses until we are unable to protect ourselves. At the same time, he will be building HIS OWN civilian army that is answerable only to him. It is something that every dictator must have. Obamacare mandates and funds this army out of our healthcare money! Would like to know what his personal army has to do with our health…other that being an obvious danger to Americans.

  • michael

    “Bye Bye Miss American Pie”

  • Jerry

    This country has made a hell of a mistake we rellected a musslim to the white house i hope all you ignorant white girls pay the price

    • Walter & Renee Agard

      There is no doubt about this, you are just another one of them.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Subject: what I would be asking if I were SPEAKER Boehner

        Wall Street has Been kept Funded with FED QE Monetization , and this QE spending has also been the other end of the candle Obama has Been burning when it comes to Social Welfare , so this candle is about burned up , as the sign to me is China shrinking the parts supplies we Import to take less dollars in an attempt to boost their current holdings of dollars , and this is causing us inflation on our shrinking supply …. This is where I think the cross roads become tricky because How does Wall Street stay afloat when this Shrinking supply from ASIA needs to offset with more production here in the states but that is a hard financial step to obtain solvency with and at the same time REGULATION is a impossible bridge to cross ….. This is where the VOICES of the Conservative party can keep the pressure on stating this That Obama can’t keep blaming bush for the position Obama has Put himself and the Country in between Excessive Environmental Regulations and a Abusive tax code that Does Nothing to create incentives to Inspire a Investment in a parts supply we cannot obtain from the past suppliers anymore , so Obama whats it going to be SIR , is what I would be asking if I were SPEAKER Boehner .

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The things that you two jokers write, do they even make sense to you?

    • mark

      Don’t insult ignorant white girls! Some of my best friends are ignorant white girls.

    • alicia

      JERRY, You ar the root to all evil!

  • Willy

    DAK. I am a conservative and am happy that Obama has won. I believe ripping a band-aid off of your scab quickly is less painful than a slow pull. So the US will see its demise faster under Obama and can begin to heal sooner. I just hope I am around to see the rebuild.

    As Bob said in his column;
    ‘The false left-right paradigm may finally be on its death bed. We know that conventional wisdom holds that Republican policies favor the rich while Democratic policies favor the middle class. But when more money printing, Federal spending and redistributionist tax policies take us over the fiscal cliff, progressives will no longer be able to blame conservative fiscal policies.’
    DAK, When the money finally runs out for the entitlement class you will have no-one to blame but your self.
    Good luck.

    • Vicki

      “progressives will no longer be able to blame conservative fiscal policies”

      I bet they will still blame President Bush.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “”progressives will no longer be able to blame conservative fiscal policies” I bet they will still blame President Bush.”

        If you talk about historical facts, then of course we will. Those do not just go away.

      • Vicki

        tlgeer says:
        “If you talk about historical facts, then of course we will. Those do not just go away.”

        Quite true. It is a well documented historical fact that progressives blamed President Bush.

  • Patriot II

    Bob’; You say that Romney is a progressive. I disagree, but that is not the point. The point is,… that infers that someone further to the right could have been elected! That does not make any sense at because all of the far right should have voted for him anyway.

    Perhaps the Libertarians in Denial and not supporting Romney are to Blame for Obama’s Victory. The only way the Libertarians are going to win in this two party systems is to start and armed revolution.

    The plain truth is Deception Won, and it was Won by the Media who manipulate this country for the Elite one Worlders who want to own it.

    • LITTLE JOHN

      your last statement is correct. And by the way our country is dead, obama is going to kill it this time around… GOD HELP US ALL.

      • Flashy

        “GOD HELP US ALL”

        He has. A majority of the People and a landslide victory for President Obama was His gift.

      • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

        @Flashy.

        There are things I want to say to you that will get my posting privileges revoked from this site. But I won’t say them. i will say this: wake up, Flashy, wake up! See what terrible condition you’re in and seek Spiritual Enlightenment. Awaken, change, and be baptized in the manner of Christ’s burial, and take upon yourself his Character. Or if Christ won’t be your example, seek the teachings of Buddha, Lao Tzu, Moses, or follow after the Hindu Religion. I’d rather have a spiritually awakened Flashy posting on this site rather than the present one.

      • daniel

        Flashy you could not be more wrong if you tried. This nation was given a choice as to whether or not to follow a known liar and deciever of Benghazi Barak or Romney. One promised us free anything you want. The other promised we could get things going together. People chose the easy way out including you. Let me know when you can’t afford groceries or utilities. And enjoy your free health care if you can find it. BTW watch the stock market dive and see where it closes at the end of the year.

      • eddie47d

        Daniel; You didn’t give Obama an atta boy when the stock market was way up and probably making you money so don’t be slamming him when its down. Flashy was right in his pronouncement over who would win by a good margin. How about you?

      • sam1966

        Here is what your messiah is all about Flashy.

        http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/nov/02/tp-families-differ-on-us-response/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “Let us renew our trust in God, and go forward without fear.”

        Abraham Lincoln

    • DaveH

      Don’t blame us for your Party’s follies, Patriot, we voted Libertarian.

      • http://emnem.wordpress.com/ Mark Glasgow

        Yes, you to voted for the state…your idea of a libertarian state. You represent the disease of all parasitic statists chasing the notion of empire, albeit, under the guise of libertarianism. My vote was for none of the sort which is why I prefer not to vote. My vote is for no state, not even a libertarian state. Voting is an act of compulsion and ultimately the friend of despots no matter their persuasion.

      • DaveH

        Do you have any evidence at all to back up your accusations?

      • Flashy

        DaveH…I believe he could probably find a Mises link for you if you asked him nicely…

      • daniel

        okay at least one honest person admitting they voted for obama. as far as mark glasgow goes what in the world is he doing here? if he does not have enough gumption to get off the couch and vote then what does his opinion mater? typed in small letters to reflect the small minds i was talking too.

  • michael

    Fraud!!!! We need a re-election!!!

    • Texas Ride

      You are right in more ways than one! When our military vote is no longer important or allowed (we supposedly didn’t have the money to get the ballots to them) this country is lost.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “You are right in more ways than one! When our military vote is no longer important or allowed (we supposedly didn’t have the money to get the ballots to them) this country is lost.”

        WT H are you talking about? And is this confirmed on more than wingnut websites?

    • eddie47d

      What! The race card isn’t enough for you Conservatives? Now you add the fraud and military card? You have no shame!

      • Flashy

        Eddie…here’s what really hapened. Pres obama created a shortage of pure alumnum foil and had it secretly replaced with non aluminum fake stuff…See? no aluminum beanies to thwart the rays ! That way, the secret mind control beams from the super secret space satelitte that the aliens placed there worked and the minds of “true” Americans were taken over and they were directed to vote for his re-election.

  • Deborah21

    It won’t be anything like the last two years…imagine Eric Holder as a Supreme Court judge. This is the end of America as we know it.

  • czman75

    The fake ovomit won with the fake vote. Too many dead people, illegals, felons and people voting three or more times is why the Ahole won…someone needs to challenge this election. Get rid of the fraudulent votes, get rid of the usurper!

    • http://bighealthreport Joy

      if you go to face book, look up george soreass !!!! he has a smirk on his face as big as if someone cut his ugly throat !!!! And there is an article in one of the replies about how a network in AZ ran a informational line below the show that was on about how ozebra had won the election, the exact amount he won by, etc. It was on on OCT. 29th, I think !!!!!

      • Paul

        Google Addelson, and you will see him crying in his money all the way to China.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        That’s right they don’t want to hear where this problem we are facing came feom.

      • wandamurline

        Yes, because George Soros is the puppet master and he found someone who hated America and was of dark skin pigmentation so no one would challenge him lest they be racist. Obama uses his political correctness color to hide behind as a shield. Soros is
        not concerned with Obama, Obama is a tool, Soros wants to collaspe America for his own greedy desire to make billions more to add to his stash… and the people in the battleground states just signed the bill to allow him to do so. Get ready, because inflation is going to happen…you cannot continue to print money … and America cannot afford Obamacare or 20 trillion in debt.. and this is what we will have in another two years.

      • eddie47d

        Wanda: Soros was barely mentioned in this election and had little enfluence on the outcome. Romney on the other hand used Trump,Addlesons and the Koch’s in his attempt to pull off a moneyed win.

      • sam1966

        Here is what George Soros believes in.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBHy5hC21LE

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.”

        John Quincy Adams

  • Rob

    “Physicians are saying they’ll have to close their doors.” My own family physician closed his doors in May due to Obamacare. It’s a shame because he’s a very good doctor. He is now working in an ER, and no longer has any of his own patients.

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      The main part of the ACA won’t even start until 2014.

      • Tony Newbill

        Tigeer thats great then Obama won’t get the Blame he can still blame Bush in the run up to the 2014 cngressional election they planned this out to a tee !!!!!

    • Flashy

      Doubtful Obamacare was the reason he closed his practice. highly doubtful as none of the elements of Obamacare as to the providers has taken effect….

      • sam1966

        Here is a look at what one of Obama bin Laden’s favorite puppets is wanting to do.

        http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83514.html

        Really Flashy? I don’t want to wait for my $2500 tax increase starting in 2014 and it doubling to $5000 more a year when Obama bin Laden Care is fully implimented. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.”

        John Quincy Adams

  • Mark Glasgow

    A very sensible post-election discussion argument that lays bare the dialectical folly underlying the dynamic of the US two party state. Recent history reveals the ideological bankruptcy of both parties, whether Bush Republican or Obama Democrat. Both approaches, while appearing to be different, lead to a predictable result, as they increase the size of the Leviathan State. Rather than casting about in futile efforts to define the relative merits of one over the other, it is wiser to appreciate the dubious means of either reinforces the tragic end of both. Ideas are important in a world where ignorance abounds. If our collective human lot is to improve, intelligent men must both live and espouse the change they propose. By participating in the ongoing charade of state, we only ensure the carnivalesque sideshow goes on. Undoubtedly, much more will be gained by supporting classical liberal and libertarian positions…unless, of course, you really prefer freak shows.

  • Patriot1776

    I think that we can only hope the next 2 or 4 years look like the last 2. King obama will take his re-election as an endorcement of his quasi-socialist, big government, anti-American policies and further push the desecration of the Constitution. Entitlement will grow exponentially as the effect of obamacare and free range regulation choke what feeble economy there was. The media will continue to sing praise to the royalty at the helm, while the middle class is squeezed further down the economic scale.

    The only positives from this is that obama has now inherited his own economy and can no long blame Bush, and, hopefully, the Tea Party can become a second political party to rebuild this nation from the ashes that will be the next 4 years.

  • Warrior

    I find it interesting and very telling of where this country is going by the california prop 30 votes whereas now the voters get to directly decide to ADD more “taxes” on their fellow countrymen. Imagine that, you now have the power to punish your neighbor because they make more money than you. Just astounding!

    • Chester

      Californians have had that “right” for quite a long time, going back earlier than the sixties. Seems it is written into the state constitution that the people can propose laws, even new taxes, then submit them to the popular vote. If enough people agree that your proposition is a good thing for them, it gets voted in.

      • Texas Ride

        So then, if you get enough illegals (and Mexifornia has tons) in your neighborhood, they can decide that you need to pay more taxes so they get more benefits….

        That is basically what is going on in the entire country. The “providers” are outnumbered by the illegal foreigners (and others sucking up your money) that are voting themselves more benefits. They are in such numbers that the foreigners OWN our country..by nothing less than outbreeding real Americans. They will bankrupt the country with the shear numbers of babies they produce and/or bring with them. We cannot support everyone in the world that wants to have us support them. Until we change this, the country will be in peril.

      • Vicki

        Clear evidence that Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner.

      • sam1966

        “Democracy is the road to socialism.”

        Karl Marx

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • TIME

    Dear Mr. Livingston,

    No we are not going to have any “grid ~ lock” What’s going to happen is the complete
    and total stripping of any form of the overlay that was still clinging to the eyes of people who were the American Middle Class ~ as they will be no longer ~ VERY SOON.
    It will be the ~ VERY POOR and the Special Criminal Overloards.

    I told you all ~ that Barry Omen would win ~ even if not a single person voted for him.

    To all of you, as of today November 7th 2012 ~ you have no more TIME ~ its run out.

    Welcome to Lucifers Play ground, ~ Where WAR is PEACE, and Peace is WAR
    Where Good is Evil ~ and Evil is Good.

    Peace and Love be with you, ~ Got your Bus Tickets yet?

    • michael

      Where can we go?

      • Neil

        Michael, wherever you go, Obama’s freeloaders and Marxist thinking supporters will follow.

        If you have or produce anything of value, they will be there to take it.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Michael-The devil- Go where you feel like, no one cares. You are the one that is putting yourself out of your own country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Positive Note in the face of irony for conservatives …… Obama won on a Blame Bush philosophy which was a Continuation of the 2008 campaign , so a Majority elects a Blame someone else for the USAs problems as their leader …. for a second time , so this is actually a GREAT Leverage Point for Conservatives because the Pressure to persuade This president to Center on Values that Benefit the country can be achieved better now with this position because Blaming someone else will be harder to sell to the electorate .

      • Toy

        Where can we go? Don’t worry; that is all arranged! (All going to plan, nicely!)

      • DaveH

        The Agards say — “Michael-The devil- Go where you feel like, no one cares”.
        What did Michael say to deserve that?
        This, Folks, is what you can expect if we ever let the Liberal Progressives take Absolute Power. They give plenty of lip-service about their “compassion”, but “compassion” doesn’t come from other peoples’ wallets. That’s called Theft.

      • TIME

        Dear Michael,

        Saddly the people of the “Land ~ noted as America” ~ must make their choice, its now or never, the people have not spoken, nor has their voice ever spoken within the mass media of what is all owned by the higher Slaves of Lucifer.

        As the land is split, the facts are quite clear, there are Christians and Luciferians, ~ thus ~ the two can not live together as there can’t be such a nation as its very fabric is unholy in its very nature.

        Thats why there was NOHA and his arc, ~ as GOD gave us the ability to fend for ourself we must make our stand against the EVIL of Lucifer, Our CHRIST will give us aid in this quest if you have asked him to forgive your soul.

        Those that love Freedom and our Creator can not have either Freedom nor be able to display their love for The Christ within the bondage of Lucifer grip, thus we have no options.

        Its TIME to make the split, the lands that believe in FREEDOM and the TRUE LIGHT of The Christ must ask the Holy Sprit to aid us to find The Christ Light ~ thus we who believe must break away and divide the nation into what ever form it may take.

        The Food production is owned by the TRUE people of GOD, the other lands are occupied by the mindless slaves of Lucifer. Thus we must we stop giving them aid and confort.

        Thus we don’t leave, ~ we just remove the Slaves of Lucifer from the land of the PURE ~. Let them keep their “UNHOLY CABAL with Lucifer within the northeast and west coast.” Both are going to perish under their own weight anyway so really sould we suppot them anylonger. the answer is quite clear.
        .

        Peace and Love be with you, Got your BUS TICKET yet?

      • http://libertydigest polmutant

        could the Living God put the east and west coast into the sea?? I would be one to rejoice to witness the event.

      • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

        For who wanted the East and West Coasts to fall into the sea. I’m sorry, but you will get your wish. Everything I read in modern day prophecy says that this is going to happen. If you have family in Los Angeles or near the coasts, encourage them to move inland.

      • http://libertydigest polmutant

        It is I who made the comment and it will happen. Sodom and Gomorraha will be. but this will only accerate the antichrist goal. remember even satan is a created being and ultimatly is on the leash of the Living God. so sit back get some popcorn and watch the show. it will be grand.

      • Irina

        First of all who called him nice and intelligent person, has no clue the meanning of the word of intelligence. He is not – he is a liar, he is a socialist and an enemy of America. And I have the same idea to investigate where can we run to avoid living under this, ‘intelligent’ man. Unfortunately America did not
        wake up.

      • JeffH

        Was it good for you? Did the earth move?

        Did anything change?

        The major parties spent billions. The minor parties spent millions. Volunteers invested hundreds of thousands of hours. Was it worth it? Did anything change?

        The campaign provoked anger and hatred — high drama for low reasons. Now half the country feels devastated, while millions who voted for “winners” may feel like they won only a pyrrhic victory.

        The election seemed so important while it was underway. We got caught up in the sports contest. But does it seem important now?

        We think elections are theatre. They’re a modern American version of the Romans’ bread and circuses. They’re the tail wagging the dog. That is, they distract us from what really matters.

        We need to stop looking toward Washington, or the statehouse, or city hall. Instead . . .

        We need to turn around and look at our neighbors.

        There are more than 1,400 days between now and the next Presidential election. What if every day was an election day?
        •The precinct would be the mind of your neighbors.
        •The district would be the heart of your friends.
        •The battleground would be the conscience of your family and co-workers.

        Because the individual mind is the fundamental unit of society.

        We need to change how our neighbors, our friends, our family, and co-workers think. We need to get them to focus on the moral impact of their views.

        Change their perspectives, and society itself will change.

        This will happen as surely as night follows day.

        Are you ready to be that kind of change agent?

        If things go as planned (and they hardly ever do), we’ll be letting you test a new tool this Friday or Monday. You’ll be able to use this tool to change the American heart and mind.

        But the real revolution must begin in your own mind. Are you ready to turn away from the political theatre and focus on what really matters? If you’re feeling hungover from the election, then this simple direction change could cure what ails you.

        Jim Babka & Perry Willis
        Co-founders
        Downsize DC, Deny Consent, and the Zero Aggression Project
        http://www.downsizedc.org/

    • Warrior

      Time. I haven’t gotten my ticket yet, but what time does the ticket window open?

      • TIME

        Dear Warrior,

        My friend very ~ very soon,

        Peace and Love be with you.

      • walter agard

        Hi warrior, will you mind tell me where are you going? I will miss you.

      • Warrior

        Walter, possibly cuba or greece. I figure we’ll both end up in the same place but I’ll be there alot quicker.

    • Texas Ride

      Time says, “I told you that Barry Omen would win even if not a single person voted for him.”

      You are so CORRECT! Omaumau wasn’t worried about being re-elected. It was decided he would be dictator long before the first vote was cast! Just as it was decided that omaumau would be president in 2008!

      Americans don’t understand that we are not chosing our presidents, but they are chosen for us. We are appeased in hope that we still think we have some control of our own government. “They” don’t want the natives to become restless. There are too many of us for them to control, at this point. So, we are allowed to go through the motions of having an election, like any other dictatorship..But, the decisions are made not by the people but by the powers that truly rule our lives. We have no control over what happens to us, let alone our country.

      It wouldn’t have made a difference if Romney had run the most perfect campaign ever seen. The pundants are wasting their time by scrutinizing the Romney campaign. It is a diversion. No one will discuss what really happened or will happen.

      If this had been a “real election” the most important problems in the country would have been discussed, Our biggest problems are taboo, the problems that are never talked about by any politicians, pundants, reporters, or candidates.

      • TIME

        Dear Texas Ride,

        I agree with you 100%,

        My Good people ~ ( “This is not a game, this is the real deal” )~~ many millions of people on the land who believe in the Christ or what ever GOD they so believe in thats not Lucifer ~ are going to be put to death by these Luciferans.

        {{ The Christ never said just stand there and be killed by these beast. }}

        I have told you there is NO DIFFERANCE between a D or an R for some TIME now.
        LUCIFER has had the control of this nation for over 150 years. Its now ~ TIME to make your Stand for the LIGHT of GOODNESS, the LIGHT of the TRUE GOD.
        { Not the fallen ones.}.

        Peace and Love be with you all who will follow The Christ, ~ allow the Holy Sprit into your SOUL ~ the Light will then shine on you and you will then know the way ~ as the thick fog of Hate and Greed set forth by these monsters will then lift from around you.

    • JeffH

      Justice Scalia: “I Don’t Know That I’m Optimistic” About Restoring Original Understanding Of Constitution

      Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he is not very confident that the Constitution can be restored to its original meaning and intent following the 2012 term.

      I don’t know that I’m optimistic. The fight is worth fighting, win or lose. You know, [like] Frodo in the Lord of the Rings.”

      “Look, it, the problem is that the other approach is enormously seductive,” Justice Scalia continued. “Even for the average citizen it’s seductive, to think that the Constitution means what it ought to mean. ‘It’s a living Constitution. Anything I care passionately about, it’s right there in the Constitution.’”

      “It doesn’t change,” he said.

      The founding fathers feared a future generation that would misinterpret the Bill of Rights and wanted to restrain future societies from misconstruing the document, he said.

      “A constitution that evolves isn’t worth a whole lot,” he said.

      The Constitution is not something applicable to “whatever you care passionately about,” he said with a sardonic grin. A judge who believes in the living Constitution is a happy fellow, he said, because he goes home and tells his wife, “The Constitution means exactly what I thought I wanted it to be.”
      http://www.fedsocblog.com/blog/justice_scalia_at_univ._of_wyoming_the_constitution_will_some_day_be_d/

      The Heritage Foundation has an excellent article on the “originalist perspective.” David F. Forte writes:

      How does one go about ascertaining the original meaning of the Constitution? All originalists begin with the text of the Constitution, the words of a particular clause. In the search for the meaning of the text and its elections effect, originalist researchers variously look to the following:
      *The evident meaning of the words.
      *The meaning according to the lexicon of the times.
      *The meaning in context with other sections of the Constitution.
      *The meaning according to the words by the Framer suggesting the language.
      *The elucidation of the meaning by debate within the Constitutional Convention. The historical provenance of the words, particularly their elections history.
      *The words in the context of the contemporaneous social, economic, and political events.
      *The words in the context of the revolutionary struggle.
      *The words in the context of the political philosophy shared by the Founding generation, or by the particular interlocutors at the Convention.
      *Historical, religious, and philosophical authority put forward by the Framers.
      *The commentary in the ratification debates.
      *The commentary by contemporaneous interpreters, such as Publius in The Federalist.
      T*he subsequent historical practice by the Founding generation to exemplify the under­stood meaning (e.g., the actions of President Washington, the First Congress, and Chief Justice Marshall).
      *Early judicial interpretations.
      *Evidence of long-standing traditions that demonstrate the peoples understanding of the words.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “Justice Scalia: “I Don’t Know That I’m Optimistic” About Restoring Original Understanding Of Constitution

        Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he is not very confident that the Constitution can be restored to its original meaning and intent following the 2012 term.”

        Justice Scalia also uses extra-legal documents (The Federalist Papers) to make court rulings. They are not law. They are representative of only a few of the signers of the Constitution. If a ruling is issued it is supposed to be issued based on the Law or US Constitution. That Scalia uses this book to make a foundation for his rulings is very troubling and very illegal.

      • JeffH

        tlgeer says “Justice Scalia also uses extra-legal documents (The Federalist Papers) to make court rulings. They are not law. They are representative of only a few of the signers of the Constitution. If a ruling is issued it is supposed to be issued based on the Law or US Constitution. That Scalia uses this book to make a foundation for his rulings is very troubling and very illegal.”

        Two points I’ll make to counter this irrational comment by the progressive minded tlgeer.

        1. Every SC Justice should be required to read “The Federalist Papers” so that they fully understand the Framers thought process, intent and clear meaning of the The Constitution. What better references could the SC Justices rely on to interpret The Constitution than the Framers own words and actual arguements that took place prior to the drafting of The Constitution? NONE!

        2. It is neither irrational nor illegal for Scalia or any other SC Justice to base their rulings on the writings of the original Framers. What is sad and troubling is that each and every SC Justice wouldn’t use the Federalsit Papers as a source of reference for any Constsutionl ruling.

  • MH

    Undocumented, Really, you’re still going there? This is exactly why the Republican party can’t win. These same lame un-truths and scare tactics. How about this….try something new!

    • bushpilot

      Of course he has documentation: an Indonesian passport as a foreign exchange student and a proven fake Hawaiian birth certificate. What more do you want? An affadavit from communist Frank Davis, his real father?

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        I can see what is your problem- Black, hate, racist and a leash around your neck with Bush at the other end BUSH-PILOT

      • DaveH

        Ahhh yes, the very old, very trite, “hate” and “racism” accusation, used by Liberal Progressives whenever they can’t provide a logical or factual rebut (which is most of the time).

      • mark

        Was it ever in doubt? Comfortable electoral victory for President Obama as expected and predicted by Nate Silver, the NYT poll wizard. Four more years. Obama’s message and vision defeated the haters. But not to despair. You can still stew in your bile and malevolence for 1,535 more days – until January 20, 2017. Rage and rant on this blog for everyone of those 1,535 days against the Muslim, the Kenyan, the Stalinist, the Fascist, the Nazi. Especially important: teach your children to hate and despise and pray for his death each and everyone of those days, to detest, and loathe him every waking hour of their lives just like you, their parents, do. This at least will impart some meaning to your lives, give you some purpose for living on this planet. You appear to have no other.

        I voted against George W. Bush twice because I disagreed with practically all of his policies. I was despondent when he won reelection in 2004. But I also told my kids, he is our president and we have to respect the will of the people. This is how our system works. I disagreed with Bush but I never hated the man. I never called him a traitor, a monster, a foreigner, a fascist. This vicious hatred and irrational fear is poisoning our whole political process.

      • http://yahoo ken

        He’s half white-half black, and full communist/muslam

      • Daveh234

        MArk, your point is well justified but this group here has the blinders on, they just can’t admit it. I really hate the haters. Most of the things they think they hate the president for never really was his fault or never happened.
        Teabaggers moved really quick to suppress the votes in various states, mine included. It didn’t work here, don’t know about your state but turnout was just forced to stay in line forever to get their votes in.

      • DaveH

        Daveh234 says — “I really hate the haters”.
        Speaks volumes, doesn’t it?

      • eddie47d

        How come Dave H never replies to Conservatives who make racist comments? Hmmm! Deliberate or double standard!

      • Irina

        First of all who called him nice and intelligent person, has no clue the meanning of the word of intelligence. He is not – he is a liar, he is a socialist and an enemy of America. And I have the same idea to investigate where can we run to avoid living under this, ‘intelligent’ man. Unfortunately America did not
        wake up.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        How come Eddie47 never replies to Progressives who make racist comments? Hmmm! Deliberate or double standard!

      • eddie47d

        I sure do Jay you apparently never noticed. Another things is that there are so many more on the right that make those kinds of comments on this site so their numbers are up.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Your side supposedly won and you got everything that you wanted from O, so why are you not happy?

  • JJM

    Just like the last 2 years?? Best scenario. You ain’t seen nothin yet – just a glimpse of what is likely in store. It is the EOs and Treaty signing ability that worries me most. Praying I am wrong but will be investigating a potential alternate homeland.

    • Hedgehog

      Canada is not bad, but you would find the politics a bit surreal. Mind you, it is cold up here in the winter and worst of all we have a long common border with the new nation of Obamaland.

      • eddie47d

        On Oct 2nd (8:42am) you involved yourself into American politics . That is great and we value opinions. You said there would be martial Law,that there would be a false flag event,that the Constitution would be suspended,that Obama would arrest and jail all opposition,he would then execute without trial and then rule as a dictator. None of those things came to being so that makes you an ignorant and malicious foreign troll. You are a lying slanderer and we don’t need your kind of “help”.

      • sam1966

        Sheesh ed-duh! You sound like this nutcase from the NY Times.

        http://www.lastresistance.com/460/obama-ran-clean-administration-with-no-scandals-says-ny-times-columnist/

        I see this idiot forgot about the Fast and the Furious, the Muslim Brotherhood, and many other things. Need to wake up and smell the coffee. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “By means of schrewd lies unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell-and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed.”

        Adolf Hitler

    • Deborah57

      Yes, I agree. My passport is ready, i’m just wondering how long it will be before I need to use it. Does anyone know of a truly safe haven to go when the sh*t hits the fan. I’m a Christian who knows that it’s about time to flee.

      • alicia

        Deborah, Good bye. I don’t like so called christians, that are quick to judge others. Not a true Christian are you?

      • http://www.thetowncrier.info UncleFred

        Flee? Where are you going to flee to? This once great Republic was the last bastion of freedom in the world. There is no place left in the world to go. May be some small island in Micronesia in the South Pacific. Best bet, stay here and join a real revolution to change things.

      • Daveh234

        Maybe it’s time to take up your guns and end your misery.

      • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

        The inner Earth. Besides that, there is: Trinity County, California; Sanpete County, Utah; the entire State of New Hampshire (unbelievably); and the Ozarks. These places are designated to be Refuges for Christians. There are other places to be sure, but those stand out in my memory.

        The Inner Earth in particular because that is where Eden is located.

      • Deborah57

        Not very helpful information. Thank you for your input, but I will have to keep looking.

      • Steve E

        Texas

      • Nadzieja Batki

        alicia, so you are nothing more than a female kennel dweller.

      • eddie47d

        Come on Nadzieja as if you don’t quickly judge others.

    • mark

      Try Zimbawe. Good place for you and your family. Nice weather.

      • sam1966

        Why don’t you go to Iran? I hear it is nice this time of year. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “…to attain a serious end it behooves not to stop at any means or count the victims sacrificed for the sake of that end.”

        Protocol 15
        The Wise Elders of Zion

    • Dave67

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out… Take the rest of the crazy religious right with you. Somalia may be more to your liking if you are a conservative libertarian or Saudi Arabia may be up your alley if you are a social conservative. If you are an economic conservative, China will welcome you with open arms… They hate unions, environmental regulations and regularly steal intellectual property. You will fit right in.

      • Flashy

        i’d suggest going somewhere where they practice “real” Libertarian principles. Oh wait…there has never been anyplace where that has been successful. Hmmm…how about someplace they have “pure’ capitalism? Oh wow…sorry, won’t operate in today’s modern world without it being an aristocratic oligarchy…not much freedom for serfs …

        ask DaveH…he may have a Mises link for you

      • Vicki

        DaveH. Keep those Mises links coming. The liberals here really fear them.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, second that!

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “i’d suggest going somewhere where they practice “real” Libertarian principles.”

        We would love to. But that place was destroyed by progressives before any of us were even born.

        http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v29n2/cpr29n2-1.html

      • sam1966

        Ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights. I see freedom of speech and religion are your 2 favorite targets. Classic 5th column strategy. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”

        Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

    • Chester

      Treaties may be signed only AFTER being approved by a full two thirds vote of the Senate. Executive orders are always subject to being questioned in court, and occasionally, reversed or totally done away with.

      • chamuiel

        And when has obama ever been constrained by anything as simple as that. obama will do as he wishes, and Congress will not stop him. They may even aid and help him.

    • Irina

      First of all who called him nice and intelligent person, has no clue the meanning of the word of intelligence. He is not – he is a liar, he is a socialist and an enemy of America. And I have the same idea to investigate where can we run to avoid living under this, ‘intelligent’ man. Unfortunately America did not
      wake up.

      • Flashy

        Irina…so you are right, and everyone else is wrong and it’s all their fault.

        Hokayyyyyy …

  • Hedgehog

    I grieve for your loss. You had a nice country, too bad it died so young. Unfortunately the death throes will continue for at least four more years.

    • eddie47d

      Are you reporting from the Cayman Islands?

      • Hedgehog

        Don’t I wish! I’m in Canada, in the frozen north amid the frozen Norse. I figure we’ll take in a fair number of New Canadians from Obamaland in the next four years. This is getting to be a habit. First the Revolution and we get the United Empire Loyalists. Then the Civil War/War of Northern Aggression produced and directed by Abraham Lincoln another psychopathic megalomaniac. We get runaway slaves and persecuted constitutionalists. Then there’s Viet Nam and we get draft dodgers and conscientious objectors. Now it’s 2012, time for another batch of freedom lovers.Our current population is a bout 34 million, I wonder how big it will be in 2016 and whether we’ll get some secessionist states as well. Let’s carry on the tradition: ‘Send us your rich, reviled and overtaxed masses yearning to stay free.” Keep Canada green, bring money!

      • Deborah57

        Originally born in Newfoundland, but currently living in the USA, I will be one of those returning home. Unfortunately, I became a US citizen a few years back. Oh well, everybody deserves to make one miastake…..right!!!!!

      • http://hathcockchrisandstan.wordpress.com Stan

        yes, you better get out while the getting is good. The USA is going to fail, without a doubt. Unfortunately, we will probably take Canada down with us. What do Canadians say “Being so close to the US is like sleeping next to an elephant, you just hope like hell it doesn’t roll over” It’s starting to roll, lookout

    • Paul Wells

      “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
      ― Alexis de Tocqueville

      Oh, how well loved your freedoms and cherished them…until…one day we didn’t.

    • texastwin827

      If you own stock in oil or steel, you might want to liquidate…those seem to be the things we buy the most from Canada!

  • Patriot007

    Had the Libertarian won we still would be heading toward the fiscal cliff too. Our system has too many at the trough and those seeking leadership positions have to bow their knee at the altar of Entitlement policies. Lord help us!

    • DaveH

      Of course, but the Libertarian would have actually started shrinking the Leviathan Government that is hobbling our economy.

      • Daveh234

        He might have worked at reducing deficit/budget. Robmey would have attempted to put it in his pocket some way.

    • GALT

      Absolutely correct: The “entitlement” to your “unalienable rights” of “life, liberty and
      the pursuit of happiness” which are entrusted to “government to SECURE” can be such
      a pain………

      Isn’t it strange that when words which are “not understood” are used in support of
      other “words” that are not understood……one often finds oneself being confronted
      by one’s own words as argument?

      Reliance on “what everyone knows” is NOT a proper foundation in constructing a
      logically reasoned position that is capable of communicating or achieving what
      might be considered a positive, productive, generally beneficial result.

      “The Master said….If names are not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language is not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success……..Therefor a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately. What the superior man requires, is just that in his words, there may be nothing incorrect.”

      “The Master said,…..Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men.”

      Confucious 551 -479 B.C.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jayson

        Hmm, words to ponder, grasshopper. And to think; they also come wrapped in a fortune cookie. Btw, wasn’t it Confusion that started the fortune cookie business?

      • GALT

        Really?????? You have seen that in a fortune cookie……..?

        That would be like you having proof that you actually have an I.Q.

        as in ” not any time soon, in this lifetime”!!!!!!

        Suffer the widdle childwen………..

        or “make them suffer”……..psychological pain being the best torment……

        and they can not help themselves from telling you just how well it’s working……

        Watch the idiot do it again!

      • sam1966

        You must excuse Galt as he doesn’t believe in self reliance and personal responsibility. He only believes in handouts and transforming this great nation into a socialist state. Ergo, a member of the 5th column. Here is something that is starting under Obama bin Laden.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/u-n-celebrates-obama-re-election-by-pushing-global-gun-control/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “The Doctrines of Jesus are simple and tend to all the happiness of man.

        1. There is only one God and He is all perfect.
        2. That there is a future state of rewards and punishments.
        3. That to love God with all thy heart and thy neighbor as thyself is the sum of religion.

        Thomas Jefferson
        Letter to Benjamin Waterhouse
        June 26, 1822

      • Kolob

        To Sam1966…Galt had it correct, just as the way the Founders meant it.
        Yes, they were raised as Protestants in England but there is one important fact that all your religulous stuff cannot discount: The Separation of Church and State that was signed into the Constitution. Equal Rights for people of all spiritual persuasions including Atheists. EQUAL RIGHTS.
        So you can stop the God spin Sam. Neither the Founders nor Galt and I and others like us buy it.

      • sam1966

        The separation of church and state nonsense does not exist, nor is it worded in our Constitution. Equal rights for everyone? True, but we were founded on Christian principles and you cannot prove me wrong. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “The great pillars of all government and of social life are virtue, morality, and religion (Christianity). This is the armor my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible.”

        Patrick Henry
        Letter to Archibald Blair January 08, 1799

      • texastwin827

        Kolob…you need to do more research, re the 1st amendment and Jefferson’s intent, before spouting off.

        Jefferson’s intent (used by the Supreme Court in early rulings) was to abolish the practice of States prohibiting a person to practice only one religion (chosen by the state, not the people). Most of those states only allowed the Church of England, which of course, was established by Henry VIII so he could divorce his wives, without beheading them first.

        Simply because later court rulings basically, banned any connection between church and state, does not make the intent of Jefferson the same as the Court’s. The primary reason the 1st Amendment was put in the Constitution was Jefferson wanted to be assured that NO ONE was forbidden to practice whatever religion they wanted to.

      • http://naver samurai

        Right on! This means Christians also Kolob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Kolob

        “practice of States prohibiting a person to practice only one religion”
        Are you that confused????
        Eat it!!…….Freedom of Religion…PERIOD!!!!! The Founding Fathers meant it and passed it as LAW and part of the Constitution!!

  • PM

    Bob, Wake up. Usurper? Elected twice? And it’s 2.5 myn now! Give it a rest.

    • Toy

      Usurper? I don’t know what he usurped but I take of to the most brilliant seller of snake oil, of all time!

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        You are painting OBAMA with things he is not. He is a very intelligent person, without any bias. He is not a pure blackman too you just cant see the other color in him because of hate with the other one.You should think of him as a great president president and for us to work together to build this great country to where it was.

      • DaveH

        Yes, and like FDR, the Liberal Progressive Followers will continue to worship him no matter how much he trashes the economy. It seems that those visions of sugar-plums can overcome all reality. For those who want to know who FDR really was:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/The%20Roosevelt%20Myth.pdf

      • Patriot1776

        @Walter&Renee, speaking of paint obama with things he is not; “a very intelligent person, without any bias”. He is prejudice. His own autobiography tells that he “will not stand with his mother’s people.” Read the book. It’s his own story. He has caused this once great nation to become more divided, more racial hatred, more anti-Christian actions than it has been in the last 30 years. He has failed to even attempt to work with Congress to find solutions to the problems we face.

      • Daveh234

        Patriot1776, you are right . The , oh screw it, you don’t dserve my time of day to even try to rebut your pathetic opinions. Absolute crap.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        DaveH,

        “Yes, and like FDR, the Liberal Progressive Followers will continue to worship him no matter how much he trashes the economy. ”

        Now, you see, this is where so many of you get into trouble. The people who have voted for Obama don’t worship him. He’s human, just like you are. If you continue trying to make him into some kind of deity, it’s going to backfire on you. Big time.

        As for the economy? Congress writes the laws and the bills, and spends the money. Did you not know this? It’s very simple and not at all hard to follow.

        If we get straight cuts, across the board, how many more people will be out of jobs because of it? How many more people will need the SNAP program because of the job loss? Think about it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Tigeer says : “As for the economy? Congress writes the laws and the bills, and spends the money. Did you not know this? It’s very simple and not at all hard to follow.”

        So Tigeer when the democrats took over the Congress in 2006 and we Blew up the economy over spending that YOU say the Congress is the ones doing then you are saying it was the democratic Ran Congress’s fault for the 2008 crash NOT Bush ???

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “So Tigeer when the democrats took over the Congress in 2006 and we Blew up the economy over spending that YOU say this.”

        I didn’t say that. At all.

        While the Dems were elected in 2006, they didn’t take office until 2007.

        An economy does not tank in the space of 1 or 2 years. Even the Great Depression had much more warning than that. And there were a lot of reasons for that happening. Including the weather. Read the Grapes of Wrath. It is, of course, dramatic and fictional, but it shows how many people were affected, and how much the weather contributed to the Great Depression.

        Those of us who were alarmed at what we saw happening didn’t speak up as often or as loud as we should have. When we were in an upswing, economically, we should have taken steps to protect what the economy was doing, but we didn’t. We seemed to think that we didn’t need to do anything other than enjoy it. That was wrong, and misguided. And we are paying for it now.

        Our economy didn’t tank in just the space of a few years. It happened over decades as we loosened the restrictions that were put upon our financial institutions, as we lowered taxes because we just didn’t seem to need so much of them, as we turned a blind eye to the people that fell through the cracks and never got the help that they needed.

        That is why our economy tanked.

      • DaveH

        Semantics, TLGeer.
        But for you to decide who worships him or who doesn’t is purely conjecture.

      • DaveH

        TLGeer says — “If we get straight cuts, across the board, how many more people will be out of jobs because of it? How many more people will need the SNAP program because of the job loss? Think about it”.
        Why are these Liberal Progressives always admonishing us to “Think about it” when it is so obvious that they haven’t?
        The money, that Government “creates” jobs with, does not just come out of thin air. Every dollar that the Government spends was taken from somebody else, sometimes by direct taxation, other times by price inflation due to money creation by the Federal Reserve (hidden taxation).
        The Private Sector, which that money was taken from, is much more adept at creating Real Lasting Productive jobs which produce products that people actually desire enough to spend their own money on.
        So which jobs do you think will be better for the country — Those employing people who produce products (or services) that people desire enough to spend their own money on, or Those employing people who produce products (or services) that people (the politically connected) spend other peoples’ money on?
        http://mises.org/daily/4581/Real-Jobs-Fake-Jobs

      • daniel

        Walter and renee, Benghazi Barak will never be my president. I choose to not have a liar nor a deciever to represent me or mine in this or any other world.
        Before like say four years ago the truth of O could be questioned as he was not vetted. Now there is enough information out there along with his record of non-accomplishment and his actions that there is but one excuse. People have chosen to believe lies over common sense. When the stuff hits the fan as it has to I will wish I had the heart to tell you that I told you so. Instead I will probably find it in my heart to help.
        I am sorry but I cannot find it in me to compromise principles and honor to support a person I consider no better than a con artist.

      • sam1966

        Walter and Renee sound like they are drunk on the kool aid. Here is the basis for Obama bin Laden being charged with treason.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/treason-benghazi-revelations-could-sink-obama/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education.”

        Theodore Roosevelt

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        If you are a US Citizen, then Obama is your President. That you don’t like is is immaterial.

      • Toy

        Don’t like it?
        Don’t publish it!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaE5zChbC5w

        They’re coming to take you away………Ha, Ha,……..

  • DAK

    Well, my prediction came true. Mitt managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory just like I said he would. It wasn’t that Obama won so much as Romney lost. The GOP of today is too far right for the main-stream American politics and so they lost many votes that would / should of gone to them. Social issues were their downfall, not economics. As many people that hated Obama (or said they did anyway) it seems he was bound to be defeated. Then Mitt didn’t release his taxes, didn’t stand up to the fringe element of his party, didn’t keep his mouth shut on issues he had no business talking about until all the facts were known… If he would of been as civil in the primaries as he was in his concession speech, I think Mitt would now be the President Elect.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      nEWT could have done better

      • old hillbilly

        Yes, Newt might have won, but any win against progressive media global monopolists is very doubtful. Global monopolist power to pyramid control of private and SSI pension funds plus our productive manufacturing infrastructure; then loot those funds and resources isn’t even discussed by our leaders because information is tightly controlled and the puppets only move then the fingers move them.

        Romney was history after the first debate. He swallowed the poison pill intended for Obama. Our country is in mortal danger & I doubt anyone can fix her!

      • GALT

        American’s Vote to “Stay the Course”.

        Gridlock will depend on the on the “furiously fast benghazi birthers” as they attempt to prevent an Obama third term……..

        What IS certain is that you can look FORWARD to many more shocking video’s, the
        end is nigher garbage and how you TOO can profit from the collapse of civilization
        and secure REAL WEALTH…….for someone else.

        Can’t you feel the love?

        Bush lied!!!! Hundreds of thousands died. ( feel free to reduce number if non Americans
        don’t count. )

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!!!!” ( and then HANG separately )

      • Stuart Shepherd

        Mr Tony Newbill- I totally agree. He might have been SLIGHTLY more controversial (but, then again, isn’t it a little controversial to actually be President when you weren’t born in the US!?) but he wouldn’t have backed down from the truth and would have destroyed Obama in the debates. Here’s the PERFECT description of Romney (from the perfect BOOK)-
        Revelation 3:15-16- I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
        That’s what the voters did and I’m almost glad in a way. Like everyone else (including Christ!) nobody can stand someone who doesn’t have the courage of their convictions- or convictions at all!! If you look up the definitions of “noncommital” or “foundationless” in the dictionary you will see pictures of Romney. Also, try “boring”- his picture is there also. But, boy, isn’t his wife Anne just one of the loveliest people. She was just lovely and would have made a better President herself!!

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Too many of us remember Newt as Speaker of the House. He would have done worse than McCain 4 years ago.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        He would have defined Obamas Buying of people vote better with all the Federal Reserve QE spending thats Been financing Wall Street and the social welfare programs that are getting LIGHTER and LIGHTER in Funding cost of Living inflation , that then gave Obama the platform to defer to continue to blame BUSH as people that Voted for Obama were seeing that difference in what Obama was saying while receiving either a Wall Street or Government handout , and the only reason Obama appears as a genius is because the Media covered these things up . NEWT would have made such a spectacle that the MEDIA would have had no choice but to cover the Spectacle and More people would have been able to see through the deferral Obama had with the blame Bush cover … BUT Obama has ran that excuse over the cliff now , so what will be his next target to blame as he continue to be STUCK in the Middle of a radical Environmental base who runs the EPA , and Wall Street Internationalists who are running fast out of US based QE money and was the MONEY behind his Campaign ??? THE END !!!!

      • old hillbilly

        The sick reality behind QE’s, trillions of “unfunded liabilities” (penniless pensions), FED “paper”, and T-bills backed by past consumption and unending benevolence of looters is the reality they are backed by no tangible wealth. In other words if you had two apples with two pieces of paper showing ownership and you eat both, but keep the ownership paper and later sell ownership of two apples that do not exist, you’re a thief!

        So it is, especially Obama, 1/2 way there Bush, Clinton and other legislators now and before them are thieves, and working citizens are victims! The 1965 CPI index of 31.50 vs. the 2011 CPI 224.91 says your 1965 dollar is worth 14 cents and it takes $7.14 to buy what a dollar bought back then, if you’re dumb enough to believe the 2011 number is that low on a true comparable basis. Worse yet, is the fact that these same crooks will tax the $6.14 growth as income if you were smart enough to invest it and break even with inflation!

        Only working & saving class voters are victimized – the welfare half of voters need not worry – they automatically get more “inflated” money to consume whatever they want. If you were a union voter toting parasites back and forth to the voting booths, and feel a bit wormy & screwed over, guess what – you deserve what you keep asking for & reliably get! Pavloff (sp??) educated rats with food, maybe it’ll work with union thugs. Pass it on!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong, wrong, wrong Galt. More people died under Obama bin Laden in Iraq and Afghanistan than under Bush. Need to get your facts straight before you post. Here is something you should read from a reliable news source.

        http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/america-pronounces-judgement-on-itself/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. I see that Obama bin Laden is pushing to have the UN take guns away from the average American. This is a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment, a God-given right, of our Constitution. I guess you and your ilk will not stop until you have destroyed everything that makes America great.

        “It is religion (Christianity) and morality alone, which we can establish the principles upon which freedom can securly stand.”

        John Adams

      • Bern

        You should get it correct. I never said anything as to what you stated. I am a decorated Viet Nam war veteran that knows everything about patriotism. What have you done for your country lately? No need to respond as I will not return the favor. You would have failed my class for content and grammar.

      • Bern

        By the way, your quote from John Adams. He was an athiest.

      • sam1966

        John Adams was no atheist. Why do you attack me when my postings are for Galt? Are you the same person? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior.”

        John Quincy Adams 1837

      • Kolob

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!
        Hey Sam…does this include Bhudda, Mohammad and the Angel Moroni? Yes or NO?

      • sam1966

        Nope, for there is only one, true God. Now take your little, dense lib/prog mind and go play in the street. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        “If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the atheist? Their virtue then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.”

        Thomas Jefferson

        See there? Even Jefferson knew about you and your ilk hundreds of years before you opened your yap on this site.

    • DaveH

      Romney couldn’t even beat John McCain for the nomination in 2008, and John McCain couldn’t even beat an upstart Obama. So why in the world would the Republicans think that Romney could beat a sitting President? It’s almost like they wanted to lose.
      Ron Paul wouldn’t have been such an easy target as Romney (ObamaLite) was, but they spurned Ron Paul because he would have upset their Crony Capitalist apple cart.
      Here is just a small sample from today’s news of how intertwined the Crony Capitalists and their Crony Politicians have become:
      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/election-gamble-backfires-banks-energy-104532280.html

      • Daveh234

        In Florida we had 6 0r 7 candidates for President to vote for. o Ron Paul, too bad he went the Republican primary route. He did get more visibility through that option but Roseanne Barr was on the ballot, not him.

      • Centurion

        You guys still don’t get it do you? Your vote and mine didn’t count. The outcome of this race was decided, down to the margin of popular and electoral votes, months ago by a small group of people who stand to profit handsomely from the results.

        Some people carp about malfunctioning voting machines that default to one or another candidate. Its all smoke and mirrors. They wouldn’t be that stupid. Its all likely a planted story to get you to check your machine and then feel satisfied that your vote was correct. All they really have to do is change the database and report the predetermined results.

        Both candidates are shills. They are nothing more than actors, playing their parts. They are handsomely rewarded for their performances. I’m sure that the sitting president has some latitude in actions, can pursue pet projects, sort of like first ladies do, but otherwise, he follows orders and the major initiatives are scripted for him. Kennedy went off script and died a few weeks later. Reagan started off thinking that he was in charge, but changed his plan soon after surviving being shot in the chest. They line up, take orders, perform as told, or they die as martyrs to “democracy” and “freedom.” Go off script and you get coins minted with your likeness, streets and schools named after you and a generation remembering where they were when they heard about your punishment.

        My best guess is that this level of scripted theatre only goes so deep. Certainly, it does not reach to village, town and most city levels. Many state offices and probably most congressional and senate races are reasonably free of behind the scenes manipulation. The presidential race and those of some key congressional, senate, governors’ and local offices are likely similarly controlled.

        We are forced into a choice between two candidates, neither of which is desirable, that frame the degree of choice we are allowed to consider. The answer is then given to us, indicating that the majority liked one “extreme” or the other. They frame the discussion around a specific window of choices and thereby eliminate the other myriad choices. They use the Hegelian dialectic to manipulate us. Read “The Overton Window” for a good example of how this works.

        Look how they manipulated the republican primaries and convention. At the convention, the results of voice votes were on the teleprompter (confirmed by video) BEFORE the issues were put to vote. The RNC broke their own rules and the law to force Ron Paul out. No matter what you think of Ron Paul, that was a sad day for the RNC. They must surely have been afraid of allowing any expansion of the choices or issues to be that obvious.

        It appears that during the last two presidential elections, the RNC was given the role of loser. Why else would they put such liberal, weak candidates forward? Palin nearly screwed up the plan last time by “going rogue.” The “headquarters” kept reigning her in so that McCain could lose. This time, Romney and Ryan played their parts as asked, and lost as planned.

        Well, it appears that Obama will be president when the economy collapses. He may be the right guy for the job. When the country defaults on its debts, the government can’t pay its bills and everyone’s savings, pension and retirement amount to zero, we can “soften” the landing with socialist programs and 90% taxes until we either join a new global polity or resort to chaos and revolution. Because he thinks of voting for him as “revenge” and because the woman behind the curtain (Jarrett) wants to get even, it seems likely that O’s politics of division are more likely to result in revolution than submission.

        I guess we will see if this ends as scripted or if the whole train goes off the rails. Gonna be interesting times ahead!

      • Bobby

        The GOP has lost it’s soul (Reagan), otherwise they would have seen the young people flocking to the Ron Paul rallies, and embraced us. But instead, their arrogance and ignorance was laid bare in their MASSIVE DEFEAT. Maybe next time they’ll listen?

      • Kate8

        Centurian – You are exactly right. The election was rigged…decided in advance.

        The communists groomed Obama since childhood for this time and purpose. They weren’t about to let the American people foil their plans. And there is no way the majority voted for Obama. If anyone believes they did…

        Bobby – Speaking of Reagan… This should be the biggest story in our entire US history, yet the PTB have kept it covered up for decades. Well, it’s not coming out, even in violation of being classified… because the American people have the right to know.

        Want to know from where the politicians steal off the money they hand out around the world, to the bankers, and stick in their own pockets, including Obama?

        Prepare to feel frosted like you never have before. This information needs to get out to everyone.

        And no wonder certain factions have so maligned a man like Ronald Reagan. They had a secret to keep… a really big one.

        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/06/roadmap-to-redressing-economic-terrorism-in-america-archival-by-demand/

      • Daveh234

        OOOOOH…IT WAS THE COMMUNISTS…THAT’S IT….THEY LOST THE ELECTION. JEEZ! DOES ANYONE HAVE A BRAIN?

      • http://hathcockchrisandstan.wordpress.com Stan

        Yes, I have a brain, and they lost because of poor planning and arrogance. It doesn’t change the fact that OBAMA will go down as the destroyer of the American way of life. Get ready for an economic meltdown unlike anything seen in this country since the Great Depression,. and we owe most of it to both the MSM repulsers and the arrogant Republican organizers.

      • ron . r

        Ron Paul; was not the choice because Ron Paul is an idiot.

      • Toy

        Another 50 idiots like Ron Paul, and the USA might just have a chance to survive!

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        The majority of US Citizens don’t like Ron Paul’s proposed policies, that is why he was not on most ballots. Having 50 of him won’t change that.

      • Toy

        Tragic!

    • Janice Dempsey

      The real winners are the unions, blacks and welfare recipients.

      • DaveH

        Blacks and welfare recipients lose also, they just don’t know it.
        For those who want to learn why, read Chapter 7 “The Morality of Capitalism” of this book:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        Better yet, read the whole book.

      • http://thisone hangman

        Hopefully, the wetbacks lose also, as kneepad Barry hopefully lied to them also. We need to secure the border, not import more illegal immigrants.

      • Rosegarten

        Until publicans change their rhetoric and people like you stop repeating their insulting rhetoric, things will not change. Publicans refuse to take responsibility for their bad behavior resorting to, instead, ihurling nsulting remarks about people I bet you do not know. It is time to grow up and refusal will be to your peril.

      • GALT

        The title The Morality of Capitalism should be enough to save you the time of
        having to read that chapter or the book, unless you like fishing and desert islands,
        and even then the fishing is not the recreational kind, so you could skip that too.

        Capitalism has no more claim to being moral than any “religion” would have….
        but like a religion it does have its zealot’s……….and in the scheme of things
        the zealots are among the least moral of all……….and would be more than
        happy to kill you if you don’t agree. ( for your own good, of course )

        But once again we have a word that is not defined……or commonly understood
        as to it’s meaning or application ……….so in babel land, we can look forward to
        more babel……..passionate babel. Oh Joy! Oh Rapture!

      • Paula

        You can’t be serious… Black unemployment is 16.4% double the national average – there’s no winning in that…Guest Worker’s were sent here by Conservative Republicans because minorities were advancing in Internet Technology after Clinton’s presidency to keep us poor – which is why “Bush” was selected – not elected. I guess payback’s a bitch, huh?!

        If discrimination didn’t exist, more Blacks would be “working” What do you say to all those college degreed (Both Black and White) who are out of work?
        Go see the movie LINCOLN… Slavery is OVER!

        Obama kept this country from sliding into the toilet – you have no idea how bad it was… No mater who would’ve became president, our country will finally move forward, regardless! Companies are back to to pre-2008 stock market highs… they can finally re-hire America once more!!

        We’re ALL Americans… We were ALL Suffering – Black/White, Rich Poor – Stop using Race and Welfare to define Black people – the Media portrays us in the news when the other (53%) are also on welfare…that’s more than 38% of the other half of American (non-Blacks) who also get food stamps, emergency unemployment to keep them afloat during these tough times…

        We are All ready to get BACK TO WORK NOW – Congress can’t stand in his way any longer and hold US hostage!

      • DaveH

        Galt says — “The title The Morality of Capitalism should be enough to save you the time of
        having to read that chapter or the book”.
        The Userid Galt should be enough to save you from reading his disjointed, double-speaking comments.

      • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

        Paula,

        I wish you could awaken.

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        Janice Dempsey says: The real winners are the unions, blacks and welfare recipients.

        They Did not win Nothing but a promise of Higher and Higher cost of living that Obama cannot sustain with his current policy of federal Reserve QE Spending which has been the signal debt issuer that has funded this Presidents buying of votes in the Wall Street and Social program recipients . Crunch time is coming now and Obama will not be able to continue to provide the Abundance these people have been use too regardless of how much Higher taxes he tries to get from the So Called Rich . China is cutting imports to the USA and this Shrinking abundance will ripple through the Society that supports Obama and the Democrats social ran economy and as Greece has went so we will go and this will happen NOW with the parts supply cutoff from ASIA and we have no manufacturing , no mining of raw minerals at volumes necessary to maintian the volume of abundance the takers that voted Obama back are use too .
        But hey we can smoke some Pot and all our worries are over we can just sit here and whither away and not care when the healthcare panel say sorry but treating your lung cancer from smoking that pot is not worth treating . The goal of the depopulation elites will have become the new order in societal policy .

      • GALT

        Another non substantive comment from a “functional illiterate”…….who can’t ever
        seem to make up his “mind” about anything……..no matter how narrow the “question”
        put to him……….

        So DavidH: In your opinion does the following correspond to your understanding of MORAL?

        “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him. They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

        Or do you NOT understand the question?

      • DaveH

        Paula says — “Go see the movie LINCOLN”.
        Sure, if you want a boatload of Propaganda.
        If you want to know the truth, Start Here:
        http://www.amazon.com/The-Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Unnecessary/dp/0761536418

      • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

        When you consider how Goofy this election was and how people voted for a Blame Bush Blame anyone but who is running the Country with all the crap going on Maybe this is where Obama got the Idea to use the ” OVERLOAD the System ” idea that Wayne Allen Root talked about ??? http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/obama-s-agenda–overwhelm-the-system-95716764.html

      • DaveH

        Galt says — “Another non substantive comment from a “functional illiterate””.
        And then he lays out his typical disjointed poorly written comment. You’re a joke, Galt — A bad joke.
        Then Galt says — “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him. They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”.
        Wages are a voluntary contract between a person and his/her employer. If that person doesn’t approve of his/her wage, in a Moral Society he/she would seek work elsewhere or start his/her own business. Anything other than that voluntary contract must by definition be Force, and their is nothing Moral about forcing oneself on another human being, no matter how much you need or desire their money.
        Sure, people like Galt can rationalize Force, that is — riding on another man’s unwilling shoulders, because Morality is not their strong suit. But even barring morality, due to the uneconomical nature of Socialism (which Galt advocates), the reality is that eventually the productive carriers get tired of being taken advantage of, so they slack off and we get the inevitable results of Socialism — Impoverishment. Everybody loses. But that’s okay with Galt and crowd as long as they get theirs first.

        For those who have the ability to think, here is a list of countries ranked by their level of Economic Freedom (the top countries being the least Socialistic). Examine those countries’ economies at the bottom of the list and see for yourself the results of the Socialism that Galt advocates:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        Now we sit back and wait for the Real “functional illiterate” to give us his Garbled thoughts.

      • GALT

        So DavidH, the answer to the question asked is: NO, you did not understand the question.

        Just to help you along…..the question of MORAL is framed in the context of the quote.

        If you are seeking to define something……you might try defining moral…….and THEN
        answer the question asked…….after that feel free to dissemble all you like……

        moral  

        mor·al   [mawr-uhl, mor-]
        adjective
        1.
        of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
        2.
        expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
        3.
        founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
        4.
        capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
        5.
        conforming to the rules of right conduct ( opposed to immoral): a moral man.
        6.
        virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
        7.
        of, pertaining to, or acting on the mind, feelings, will, or character: moral support.
        8.
        resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.

        noun
        9.
        the moral teaching or practical lesson contained in a fable, tale, experience, etc.
        10.
        the embodiment or type of something.
        11.
        morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.

        Feel free to pick one, or make up your own, and just for fun try applying it
        to this quote also…….

        “The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.”

        So this is your assignment: ( unless you continue to insist on being a “functional
        illiterate.

        1.) Define moral.
        2.) Apply your definition to each of the quotes and answer yes or no.
        3.) Try to comprehend the fact that what you are responding to is the following
        statement which is the “subject” here…… ( for literate people )

        “Capitalism has no more claim to being moral than any “religion” would have….”

        Frankly DavidH, I don’t expect you to understand this……..I could quote you to you,
        and you would disagree with it………and I don’t imagine this will change anytime soon….

      • GALT

        I believe that sufficient time has passed to have reached the conclusion

        of whether or not DavidH is a “functional illiterate” or has an “intellect” of any kind…..

        ends up as Q.E.D. or NO or not hardly, or never in your wildest dreams……

        But that COULD just be ME…….

        or NO or not hardly, or never in your wildest dreams……

        Still……?

      • GALT

        that be bout 12 hours now…..DavidH

        so to be gettin back to the RULES…..

        I show up….you leave……are we clear?

        Of course should you ever want to engage in “intelligent discussion”….you would
        be most welcome……..

      • sam1966

        Here is some possible good news for Americans, but bad news for Obama bin Laden.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-administration-facing-massive-federal-lawsuit/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • ron . r

        Yes Missy Janice, us colorded folks is gonna hava good ol time with thewelfare checks wesa getten from our kin folkj Obamis. and i tel you something else Missey, those veterans aint goonna get nothen cause we ghone take it all. I am a veteran but I don’t minda not getten nothing cause it was an honor to serve ya missey janice. So Ima going to leave now and stand by my mail box and wait fer my check. Thankya Missey, Thankya veerry much.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Tony,

        “When you consider how Goofy this election was and how people voted for a Blame Bush Blame ”

        I don’t remember even hearing Bush’s name in this election, except for the people (like you) who don’t have any other argument.

        If you can document that Bush was blamed by either candidate or party, I would like to see it.

    • http://yahoo ken

      Whats the difference of Romney not releasing his tax records and Obummer spending millions of dollars having his birth certificate and all other records sealed.
      If I get a job I have to release my records, otherwise I won’t get the job, And I only get (one) social Security card, but Obummer uses 3 different one.

      • old hillbilly

        You missed the point – 3 SSI cards is 3 votes. Imagine how many SSI numbers & drivers licenses some of the illegals & union thugs have???

      • Daveh234

        What job did you get that you need to show your Income Tax filings? I’ve never heard of that except for public office. It really does show something though that he didn’t supply more years of filings. It really does look that something was being hidden. No matter of anything else, it “looks” suspicious to a lot of people.

      • eddie47d

        The voting process was mostly uneventful but with a few long lines. Old Hillbilly has to bring up negatives and more lies to enhance his thought process.

      • GALT

        The really sad part is: Now we will never know what the Romney PLAN was!

        Then again, that is probably all for the best.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “Whats the difference of Romney not releasing his tax records and Obummer spending millions of dollars having his birth certificate and all other records sealed.”

        What’s the difference? Romney’s tax returns are something that most candidates are asked for, and the records that Obama was asked to supply isn’t. Not to mention the fact that you are repeating lies. Well documented lies.

        There has been no reason to seal records that are not public documents. That includes school records (since 1974) and vital records. As for the SSN? What leads you to believe that he uses more than one? Do you really think that there is only one Barack Obama that is a citizen of this country?

      • sam1966

        Here is what the 5th column has done to this great country.

        http://www.gulagbound.com/35861/obama-land-vs-the-usa-the-end-of-a-country-its-people-and-liberty/#.UJqTnm_R6Mk

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “Obummer spending millions of dollars having his birth certificate and all other records sealed.”

        The difference is that Obama did no such thing. He didn’t have to, the records are already sealed by law. The educational records have not been public since 1974, the bc records (the State of Hawaii and the State of Arizona have said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii), there is more than one Barack Obama living in the country, passport records are not public, selective service records are not public. None of that even matters for anyone running for President (except for the bc, and that has been proven to be valid).

      • Toy

        Obama can’t get a job picking tomatoes but can be President!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HAoIsOMhYw

      • Ron r

        And Romney can get a job raiding and robing companies ,and is not the president . Thank god for that one.

    • Steve

      When is the “dinner and gold watch” ceremony for Wayne Allen Root.

      • deerinwater

        You think Livingston would be that gracious? Maybe a frozen turkey and a “I Voted ” sticker.

      • GALT

        That would be “wayne root”…….and I hope you didn’t bet the farm on his prognostication
        abilities because he never had any……..when he tried to pick winner’s, he was pathetic…

        If he believed his own B.S…..we should never see him again……

        Bet he didn’t bet the farm……

    • chamuiel

      Romney was too civil in the debates and the run up to the elections. If you are saying by the fringe elements the ones who favor lower taxes, are against abortions, and think gays are a sickness and blight upon this land ,and against free phones, and birth control, then. I guess I am a member of that fringe element, and I am glad I am an older American who will not see many more years, because I do not like what my country has become and is becoming.I do not like the sick degradation that this country has chosen to descend and wallow in. I will leave it to you sick sycophants.

      • sam1966

        I guess that I’m younger than you, but I say do not give up the good fight. Be constantly vigilant, patriotic, fight for our Christian founding and Constitution, and pray very hard everyday. These will make a difference in the direction our country is going over time. Here are some truths about Obama bin Laden and his re-election.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/10-dire-consequences-of-obamas-re-election/

        Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        Those who are not ruled by God, will be ruled by tyrants.”

        William Penn 1668

      • Elton

        Chamuiel, I agree 100%. I too luckily have not many years to put up with this garbage. The one bright spot is that we elders have lived in the wonderful years of this great country before it got to this point in time…..

    • Mimi

      Please spare us your nonsense! Perhaps as some have said, the Romney camp didn’t get out their base enough. Perhaps the Ron Paul camp did as they said they would, didn’t vote. But too far right?!!! LOL. Obama, Clinton should have been fired for Benghazi. After repeated begging for more security, they denied Ambassador Stevens and his fellows any backup. They could have saved them. They left them to be tortured and killed. Their blood, their suffering, is all due to them, and Obama went on merrily campaigning. Watergate was nothing!, compared to this betrayal! This is the worst scandal ever in recent memory. We had the planes, the men to save them. And Obama and Hillary Clinton wouldn’t authorize their use. I hope history records the blackest moment of this presidency. It was enough that he’s conspiring with the United Nations, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, Russia, and Islam. Then he had to betray Americans in harm’s way. We don’t have to look elsewhere, the enemy is within. And the electorate that put him there, is also responsible.

      • http://hathcockchrisandstan.wordpress.com Stan

        I couldn’t agree more, just goes to show what a bunch of PC [comment has been edited] is in charge of this country. If he were anyone else, then he would be standing for an impeachment trail today instead of celebrating, This guy is about as bad as it gets. You might as well put the leader of Iran in the Whitehouse he’s the same guy. I used to be proud to call myself an American, now, it”s shameful. This country has gone to the dogs. I dare not travel anywhere in the world because Americans are hated everywhere. I now understand why, we are fools and idiots in the eyes of most of the world and we just proved them that think that, right beyond any doubt. SHAMEFUL.

    • Elton

      The gop is too far right????? What planet do you live on???? They are far from the right, almost to the point of being left….

    • Ron r

      FOX has just reported they have found the birth records of Obama and they are not in HI. Stay tuned ,this should be good.

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        Fox, and it’s announcers, are nothing more than hacks. I wouldn’t count on anything informative other than what is already known – that Obama was born in Hawaii.

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