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Cry like a babby when you can not get your way. We have to keep a eye on the children ass ho—

What does your being a doctor have to do with anything?

MD —

Don’t worry, Doc. The progressive may not have fully explained how ObamaCare will make everything wonderful.

If I were a doctor, I’d be retiring or looking for a new line of work.

How many times can a person watch another person deliberately try cut his own throat before viewing it with a certain detachment?

“Nothing was said about Black Panthers, ACORN or other Liberal movements to intimidate and restrict the voting process”. Which site is this? Communist News Network? Have you ever seen pictures of black panthers armed and not allowing whites to vote? Have you ever read that ACORN had dead people voting? Left and communists are cheaters throughout the world! That is their second nature. My friend caught them in 2008 listing her mother as a democrat voter, and the woman died in 1998.
When the picture of your surrounding gets this twisted, you are leaning toward schizophrenia.

It’s the Republicans who have been trying to change the voting rules to make voting harder (if not impossible) for Democratic voters. It’s a right-wing company that made the Ohio voting machines that produced far more Republican votes in 2004 than expected, but had no paper trail. And now Romney’s son has gotten into the game. Why is it that voting machines, becoming more and more common now, are not required to be checked for accuracy and to have paper trails for follow-up inquiry? While howling about “voter fraud” that never happened, the Republicans are actively trying to prevent anyone from voting anything but Republican. It’s a sinister situation that could well destroy the democratic system in this country, as ultra-wealthy Republicans take over the government for their own ends.

shoot on site

Start by not paying the yearly dues for the countries who do not pay their dues. Any country that does not pay their yearly dues has their voting rights taken away. That is in the UN charter.

Sasquatch – So glad you are just a myth.

I have copies of the video

I made copies of both videos just in case they were to dissappear from the internet ..the incidents happend in Pennsylvania and were aired on the News in that state …As I lived there
saw them both live and online

What does a picture of two NBP’s holding a wood version of a bat, standing in front of a sign that says ‘vote here’, tell you? They wanted a cup of tea? The faux atty. general Eric “My People” Holder said he wasn’t going to prosecute – BHO backed him up – end of story.

Tim we do not need the UN in our country to observe our elections they have no legitimate purpose doing anything within our borders and are not Authorized to do so under our constituion … they were never elected by our people and do not represent us as far as I am Concerned the UN should be disbanded ..they are the cause of many conflicts in the world …witness Libya and the illegal air war in support of the Muslim brothehood there…causeing the murder of Gadhaffi ( executed without a trial ) and you spout to me there legitimacy…we helped terrorist take over Libya…for what…so that France would not loose its Libyan Oil supply

The United States NEVER gave the UN any sort of permission–they don’t need to be here, period. We have OUR laws and are not bound by whatever the UN says or does and American citizens intend to keep it that way. The majority of Americans want us out of the UN and banned from conducting business in this country. If you wish to reside in a country that “cooperates to the fullest” with the UN, then by all means, the world doesn’t stop at our borders–go join them.

The war in Libya was not illegal. It was sanctioned by unanimous approval of the UN Security Council of which the USA is part.

The air war was never approved of by Congress ( that is illegal ) against the war powers act and our constituion

John we gave the UN the authority to require our action for these events in 1947 when we signed the UN treaty.
We’re not going to get out of the UN. The entire world is becoming smaller and smaller day by day. The rules we expect others to follow should also apply to us.
The accelerating inter-dependence of one state upon another will not reverse. Stickling our heads in the sand will only get our butts burnt.
So now we must work to make the UN more reflective of our values. One way would be to push our government to allow direct elections of our representatives to the UN.

Mr. Khadaffi’s death was NOT a direct result of any action by the US, or any other foreign power, but at the hands of his OWN people. All we did was make it possible for them to speak to him without fear of being executed where they stood.

Thanks for your service. I served in the US military in the Navy and in the Marines and my son is on his second tour of duty in a predator squadron, a son-n-law going to Afghanistan in January, So! Thanks!
Since getting rid of the UN is NOT going to happen, then would it not be wise to pursue actions that move the UN more toward our values. Global connections are not going to reverse, but are rather going to accelerate as we need more interaction with the UN and the rest of the world.
Let’s work instead to get our government to allow for direct elections of our representatives to the UN.

Tim —

It is very rare for someone to serve in both the Navy and Marines. Just what did you do in each?

No! It’s not the rare. I enlisted in the Navy, then was Commissioned in the USMC after grauduating from the Naval Academy. Intell…..

Friend me on Facebook under ‘williamsoncontracting’ at

http://www.facebook.com/williamsoncontracting if you want to know more.

Right on!!!!!! There is no place in our judicial system for any laws other than US laws. Any judge and or jury thatjudicates on Sharia law or any other laws other than our US constitutional laws are in contempt of the very laws that they have taken an oath to uphold.

In 47 our evil, corrupt leaders created the UN for the sole purpose of a one world order that satan will eventually rule. Is this what you want TW ? As for me and mine, we serve the Lord Jesus and we want no part of the evil UN. TIME to stop the funding and get out.

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Ok Tomothy, we can see that you have been sold on the one world government idea, and believe that the UN is here to stay. But you really should accept that there are many out there who disagree with you. The UN was created as a replacement for the failing League of Nations as a stage on which nations could air their problems with other nations. It was NOT created to issue orders, nor tax, and certainly NOT to supercede our Congress as you suggest so please stop saying that we created it to tell the world what to do, and then don’t follow its dictates. Our entry into Libya was entirely illegal, as no Congressional discussion or authority was obtained. The UN has absolutely NO authority in this country – to accept such an authority is to relinquish our sovereignty and I for one hope that never happens.

Treaties are the law of the land according to the constitution. Therefore, to say that the UN, a treaty created organization, to which nearly every nation on earth is a signatory, can not require us to act is simply wrong. The part of the UN treaty that gives the Security Council the authority to act globally is one of the main parts and when there is unanimous action from all the members of the security conuncil, we are required to act by that treaty to which congress agreed in 1947. That treaty, and its acceptance by congress and the president in 1947 says that when there is a unanimous decision for specifc action, then all the members are required to act accordingly.

Legal. Constitutional. And morally correct.

Besides, who are we to ask the rest of the world to abide by the treaties to which all are signatories, but not apply that accountability to ourselves. It’s hypocritcal. It’s arrogant. It’s not logical.

So let’s work to get our own government to allow direct public elections for representatives to the UN so that we the people may have a more direct voice in the UN.

Don’t bet on it, Timothy Wilson…we do NOT need the UN at our voting booths and we do NOT need the UN to dictate to America, period. They need to leave our country and let them bleed some other nation dry…we have given more than our fair share and all those bloated goats want is more. The only reason they are here in the first place is because the hate monering racist groups have demanded it–just to make themselves look good, I suppose. NAACP and the ilk didn’t like it when the MAJORITY of Americans demanded criminal charges be processed against the black panthers when they threatened elderly white citizens with baseball bats at the voting places. Really? this is your idea of expanding justice? Thanks for your time in the service, but my family served as well and they didn’t die so some funky, anti-American slop could come over here and interrupt our voting process—it’s enough that the so-called incumbent is bent on keeping honest service personnel from having their right to vote completely eradicated.

Tim…Thank you for your thorough, rational & accurate comments. Amid a flood of hysterical, misinformed posts…a breath if fresh air. Pls continue.

We may not “need” the UN observers, but what difference does it make if they’re there? Who really cares? Making mountains ot of molehills is what too many people do.

And keep in mind that the UN was created By Leaders For Leaders. The average citizens have no vote in the matter of UN elections. Imagine that — an Un-elected body of UN Leaders overseeing the American peoples’ elections.

Tell me something, since we, as in the USA, do send election observers around the world via the UN, ans since we push those states to abide by the rule of law and the treaties to which we are signatories, is it not childish, foolish, arrogant, and just plain stupid to not allow those same rules to be applied here?

You have a point, Timothy, but it is fatally flawed and unfortunately is a common event among average humans — that of “sinking to the lowest common denominator”.
Rather than allowing the Leaders to apply the same poisonous cure to us because They do it elsewhere, we need to insist that the US (through the UN) NOT meddle with the rest of the World.

The flaw in your analysis Dave is that we are a nation of law and the rule of law. The constitution gives the President the authority to make and sign treaties with the appropval of congress. In 1947, the US agreed to the UN treaty. We created it and promoted it globally. We are in it to stay.

Since we work within the UN to move the world toward more freedom and openness, for us to suggest that we want to be left alone and to not be involved on the world stage is not only childish, but crazy. We need to do business with the world in order to prosper and grow here at home. So our connections will only grow.

So, we should be pushing our government to allow for direct elections of our representatives to the UN General Assembly and to the UN Security Council. This would give us, as in the people of the USA, some direct influence within the UN bodies.

As for election observers in the USA, I have no problem with that because we can not morally demand access to other nations election processes then try to hide our own from the world. It’s morally indefensible.

We teach and promote accountability for our actions at home and abroad, should these principles not also apply to our leaders and to our country just as we expect it to do overseas?

These actions are legal and constitutional.

TimithoyWilliamson: you are eith a Socialist/Marxist or just an Idiot. We were a Nation of Laqws until this Piece of Crap Abomination cme to office. Abomination has done everything to bypass our Laws , Constitution and Bill of Rights and if re-elected a “LAME” Duck President will destroy what is left of what he has already begun to destroy. Broken promises and he has offered to do exactly the same thing if re-elected and that was to Bankrupt the Country destroy the Middle Class just like his Real Father Frank Marshall Davis wanted to do in the 50′s,60′s 70′s and 80′s before his Death. Abomination and his background that we can trace spells Marxist and an Indonesian Sunni Muslim School with his Fake Father and his Real Father FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS Both REGISTERED COMMUNISTS AND WHAT LITTLE THAT WE CAN SEE IN HIS VIDEO’S OF HIM INTRODUCING HIS FATHER FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS AT A COLLEGE RALLY SAYING HE WAS HIS MENTOR AND LOOK AT HIS OTHER MENTOR REV. WRIGHT THE AMERICA HATING WHITE HATING ASSHOLE AND HIS ASSOCIATION WITH BILL AYRES THE FOUNDER OF THE MURDEROUS WEATHER UNDERGROUND AND BLACK PANTHERS AND TERRORIST MUSLIM LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD HE IS A RADICAL MUSLIM AND MARXIST. Viet Nam Vet 67-68

Sorry! But it appears you have been living in a cave of delusion. Sorry about that. Wish I could help though. The VA does have some really good programs that may help with delusional paranoia. The reast of America aren’t fooled by such non-sense.

The flaw in your analysis, Timothy, is thinking that one group of contractors can bind an uninvolved group to that contract forever.

The flaw is that many want to believe that the US is an island isolated from the world. And that we can push the application of the rule of law to all the world via the UN and its agencies, but yet not have those rules and laws apply to us here at home. That is the epitomy of hypocracy and arrogance.

We must interact with the world daily. We do that via the UN and volumes of treaties. And those treaties have the force of law as defined in our constitution.

Here are more flaws in Timothy’s “logic”:
Timothy says — “Since we work within the UN to move the world toward more freedom and openness”.
Killing people so that they do things the US way is Freedom? Dream on, Timothy.

Timothy says — “for us to suggest that we want to be left alone and to not be involved on the world stage is not only childish, but crazy”.
Ah yes, the typical Progressive fallback — name-calling and ridicule in lieu of logic and facts.

Timothy says — “We need to do business with the world in order to prosper”.
No doubt that Free Trade is a good thing, but what Timothy fails to understand is that Free Trade does not involve the coercive Force of Government.

Timothy says — “Sorry! But it appears you have been living in a cave of delusion. Sorry about that. Wish I could help though. The VA does have some really good programs that may help with delusional paranoia. The reast of America aren’t fooled by such non-sense”.
What makes you think, Timothy, that the “reast” of American are fooled by your nonsense?
If you had something valuable to contribute you wouldn’t need to lace your comments with Adolescent Manipulative techniques.

DaveH, do you not think it would be better to work to improve the UN? Do you not think that that is the logical thing to do since the UN is not going away?

I say let’s get our government to allow direct public elections for our representatives to the UN.

Timothy says — “The flaw is that many want to believe that the US is an island isolated from the world. And that we can push the application of the rule of law to all the world via the UN and its agencies, but yet not have those rules and laws apply to us here at home. That is the epitomy of hypocracy and arrogance”.
More Adolescent Manipulative techniques. Seems, Timothy, that you can’t make a coherent argument without them.
What does World Isolation have to do with not being part of the UN?
The UN is an organization that was created BY LEADERS FOR LEADERS. It is a body of people, unelected by the citizens who it supposedly represents, that in no way represents Free Trade. The UN represents the wishes of its Leaders and their Crony Capitalists. That is all.

Timothy says — “DaveH, do you not think it would be better to work to improve the UN? Do you not think that that is the logical thing to do since the UN is not going away?”.
No. The logical thing to do would be to abolish the UN, so that Leaders can’t so easily Force their way on the rest of us in their efforts to feather their own nests at the rest of our expense.

Timothy says — “I say let’s get our government to allow direct public elections for our representatives to the UN”.
Great. Let’s create a Government even further removed from the people they claim to represent than the Federal Government we already have which has trampled the Constitution, the States, and the people.
Our wise Founders knew that Local Government was the best Government because the people could much more easily control Local Government than they could Central Government. We are currently seeing the results of that which our Founders tried in vain to protect us from.

10 more reasons to abolish the UN:
http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/UN.pdf

Is that what you believe about yourself that you cannot be trusted?
We have had good leaders and bad leaders in this country and the decisions they made have had unintended consequences and we are paying dearly to this day for bad decisions. Compound the decisions of the leadership throughout America’s existance and the load is getting heavier by the day.
I have yet to hear or read that the Dems or Republicans leaders admit that they have no idea how to run a country. They have gotten us from point A but what is waiting for us at point B.

As a side note, most of the History Books have been written by Court Historians to favor an UnConstitutionally large Central Government.

Answer Karolyn: NAACP, ACLU for starters.

and AG Holder, and other Democrats in various States where they wanted to have voter ID used AG Holder and cohorts tried to stop it in the courts..

Right on, Penny.
And why do they want One World Government? It’s not for our sake, it’s for their sake. If people think it’s hard to get rid of corrupt Federal Leaders, imagine how hard it’s going to be to get rid of the Gang when they are headquartered in some remote location?
Leaders are well aware that the the further they remove Government from local, the harder it is to Fire them from their jobs.

Harry, I hope this article from the “The Grio” of NBC News, helps clarify this subject. What you said Harry is quite wrong and misleading. Typical liberal:

“Now, the integrity of electronic voting machines is back in the spotlight. Reports are circulating there are “dubious links” between the voting machines in some counties [Hamilton and William] in Ohio and Governor Romney.

The machines are supplied by Hart Intercivic, a national e-voting company. The Austin-based firm is partially owned by H.I.G Capital, an investment company that has business ties to Solamere Capital, Tagg Romney’s [Mitt’s oldest son] equity firm.

The suggestion is that the Romney link is at best a conflict of interest, with even the potential for bias, fraud or irregularity.

Though, Amy Searcy, director of the Hamilton County’s Board of Election, flat out disagrees. “These allegations are completely false and baseless,” she told theGrio.

“We purchased our voting equipment — developed by Hart [Intercivic] – in 2005 but it’s owned by Hamilton County,” she added. “It’s a paper-based ballet which is scanned into an optical reader. Hart doesn’t have any involvement with the ballot processing or tabulation, that’s all done by our staff.”

The votes will be counted in SPAIN by a company that George Soros (a major Obama Supporter) controls you may have the machines collect the votes but the election will be won by who counts them…voter fraud anyone …or a replay of the Stalin voter process

Grow a brain. When you see it, that is the machine as it does make the change automatically, somehow I just don’t consider that a lie! Want to explain how a family from Massachusetts controls Ohio? And voter fraud that the Dems claim doesn’t exist-explain all the arrests and convictions during the 2008 election. I personally saw people pulled out of the line on election day and questioned. My suspicion, since we live just over the state line folks were attempting to vote in two states instead of one. No there’s no significant voter fraud AG Holder, that is when it all adds up in favor of the libtards.

It appears the Dems/Progs/Leftists all of a sudden have gotten sensitive and conscience struck about how big liars they have been (if any believe that they have a conscience dream on). It was fine to be treacherous and deceptive to get their own way but now the Conservatives abd Libertarians and Republicans have called them out that they are nothing more than two legged predatory wolves,all of a sudden they are all playing victims.

I’d trust Fox new over the lame-stream media anyday..why haven’t the others reported the emails Obama received about the trouble in Benghazi on Sept 11 and why didn’t he send help when our troops were only an hour flight away?

Hey Quinn, get your head outta the hole. The same thing has happened here in Vegas as well. The machine changed her vote from Romney to Obama multiple times. Fox had nothing to do with this report as it was in the local paper.

Hey Harry Q. I’ve seen lies and omissions on other stations seen more truth on Fox than the others.

Harry how is Santa Claus and the Easter Bunnie doing these days in your dream world?

Poor people, who think that it’s just the Republican Party which is taking advantage of them, should read this very readable book by Kal Kelly:
http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf
Especially read Chapter 7 “The Morality of Capitalism” to see how Government is really just taking advantage of those it claims to be helping.

So you’re okay with meddling in other countries’ business and killing their people as long as other countries are involved, Robert?

It sets the world up to be a democracy among countries. So, YES, under some selected circumstances I do see a considered response to a evils from a country being investigated and stopped with force if necessary and there is agreement, as GB Sr. did with Saddam.

That’s as opposed to the JR. Bush’s cowboy approach.

BTW, is your approach to NEVER meddle no matter how bad something is?

It’s ABSOLUTES that gets us in trouble.

Rob

Evil in whose opinion, Robert? I think you’re evil, so can we get the UN to do something about you?

David H asks: “Evil in whose opinion, Robert?”

There you go! In the eyes of a GROUP of nations, not one cowboy like GWB.

Now, care to answer the questions?

Rob

So Robert thinks that it’s okay to kill people as long as his gang votes in majority to do it. What else could I expect from an immoral Liberal Progressive?

Let see…it got us Sadam dead…Iraq will be the next Babylon…..they will have a form of democracy……yep…let see where that got us….. but wait..obozo got osama…now all the al qida are free to do want they please..kill americans…..

3000 Americans would be alive today if the 9-11 hijackers would have mistaken the UN building for the Twin Towers!!! I say bulldoze it and make it a park, for Americans only!!

REALLY, only by name, the actions remain the same.

If the UN comes in, why do we have a USA. We have people who do not want to remove dead people or ID’s. The same people who want the UN. Are we no a world gov and the American people just are not aware of it.

Wake up people, push back, this is outrageous. We need to push back at these OWG idiots.

It is so easy to get photo ID that I think that even the poor, disabled, and old can get sufficient photo ID to vote. They can get it for welfare, food stamps, and social security, why not to vote? The whole story about how hard to got photo ID is ludicrist and should be laughed at as a totally bigoted idea.

Robert,
Why is it that you think our own people can’t be counted on being honest enough to oversee the elections, but you think that some disinterested foreigners would be?

PETE0097, Sir, kindly do a bit of research about what hoopssomeone who does not currently HAVE a photo ID has to jump through to get a “state approved” photo ID. First, you have to have a NEW birth certificate that can still have the seal on it felt, not an original certificate of live birth. Just to get the birth certificate, you have to go to the nearest health department and prove to them that you are who you claim to be. It does help if you know when and where you were born, and not only your mother’s maiden name, but your grandparents names as well. Once you prove you have a right to obtain your birth certificate, you are out of pocket immediately, fifteen to fifty dollars, depending on which state you are in. Sometimes you will be lucky enough to hit a point where you can actually walk away with your brand new birth certificate in your hand. And this is if you are making application in the state you were born in. If you happen not to live in the state you were born in, the process takes a good bit longer, assuming your birth happened to have been recorded properly when you were born, which for a lot of the elderly, even now, it wasn’t . I was born at home, like a lot of the rest of our older citizens, but Mom did have a doctor in attendance when I popped out, and he did file all the proper papers with the state. Even after you have the birth certificate unless you can drive, or have access to transportation to get you to the county seat, you still have a problem, as there is usually only one place in a county where you can get that blessed ID card, and that more often than not is in the county seat.

David H. asks: “Why is it that you think our own people can’t be counted on being honest enough to oversee the elections,…”

Remember hanging chads? The extreme right wing stole Florida, and the election. Gore & Lieberman WON the popular vote. The American PEOPLE spoke and… Well, we all see what we got.

Rob

Non Sequitur.
Is that the best you can do, Robert? Of course it is.

Yeah, I am trying to remember the son of some representative who also happens to be the nephew of some party bigwig that is under investigation for voter fraud. Something about forging electric bills so that they can be used to register to vote? Could you help me out as I don’t want false information going out. After all voter fraud does not exost in this country.

ROBERT SMITH…you can’t get a job without at least 2 forms of ID! You can’t cash a SS or Welfare check without it, and then ya have to put your’ thumb print on the SOB!. You can’t even get a post office box! You can’t get food stamps, Man, you CAN’T do anything in this whole damned Country without an ID!!! The idea that Voter ID is “Disinfranchising” anyone is a pure crock of [comment has been edited]! A person CANNOT live in this Country without a picture ID!!! You peoples arguements are pure [comment has been edited] and ya SOB’s know it!

RIGHT ON YOU ARE A TRUE AMERICAN!
Do you think it is a little strange that this comes during Obama’s re-election and never before. Many of the UN nations would love to see another four years of Obama, Obama believes in the failed euro system!

Sorry, but OSCE election observers have been operating in the USA since 2002 – who was president then?

Really….where is that varification…when and where???

Read the press release from OSCE dated 24 Oct 2012…..last paragraph….at this link…

http://www.osce.org/odihr/96639

Gary, here is the entire press release……read the whole thing….

“WARSAW, 24 October 2012 – Ambassador Janez Lenarčič, the Director of the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR), expressed his grave concern today over the threat of criminal prosecution of OSCE/ODIHR election observers.

This threat, contained in an open letter from the Attorney General of Texas, is at odds with the established good co-operation between OSCE/ODIHR observers and state authorities across the United States, including in Texas, Lenarčič said, adding that it is also contrary to the country’s obligations as an OSCE participating State.

The ODIHR Director shared his concerns in a letter to United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

“The threat of criminal sanctions against OSCE/ODIHR observers is unacceptable,” Lenarčič said. “The United States, like all countries in the OSCE, has an obligation to invite ODIHR observers to observe its elections.”

The ODIHR Director also stressed that any concerns or reports that the election observers intended to influence or interfere with the election process were groundless. He underlined that OSCE/ODIHR election observers adhere to all national laws and regulations, as well as a strict code of conduct.

“Our observers are required to remain strictly impartial and not to intervene in the voting process in any way,” Lenarčič said. “They are in the United States to observe these elections, not to interfere in them.”

The ODIHR limited election observation mission for the 2012 general elections in the United States consists of a core team of 13 experts, from 10 OSCE participating States, based in Washington D.C., and 44 long-term observers deployed throughout the country. These are the sixth United States elections the Office has observed, without incident, since 2002.”

Rob smith what you got against Voter ID it works for everyone it works for pres. Obama #44 and other high profile people so why not for everyone. I’ve been using it for as long as I’ve been voting , so scrap the bull a person wants to vote they have lots of chances to get ID before hand it comes up every few years they to lazy to get ID. or just want to keep making trouble about not being able to and not wanting to be forced to etc.etc.

You have not done your homework….liberal teachings, Florida came down to around 4-thousand vote difference, after many recounts Bush won by…wait for it, 537 votes. Get over it dummer!!!!!!!!!

Actually it’s Romney’s Bain Capital that supplies the votor machiens for Ohio and several other states.

BTW, that’s a FACT, not a claim like you have made.

Rob

what would be any issue showing the world how it’s done? Do the State lawmakers in Alabama and Texas have something to hide? Are they afraid of observers that they cannot intimidate and suppress? Something they don’t want the world to discover?

BTW Joe..if you would take time and think it through instead of being all herky jerky at the knees…there can’t be any one overall vote tabulation center….each state is responsible for counting it’s own votes, then reporting the results and releasing same to the media/public. Anyone telling you that tall tale about Soros is playing you for a fool. The real question is…did they peg you right?

The connection between the Romney family and voting machines in Ohio should be illegal.It seems that the fix is already in, and money has bought another election. This is what the UN should be investigating.

This is to Robert Smith, who keeps blowing off about Romney “owning” and controlling the voting machines in Ohio. STFU you fool. You are NOT stating a fact, and I proved that in an earlier post I left you, which corrected you in your erroneous, false claim. Here it is again you liberal fool:
“Now, the integrity of electronic voting machines is back in the spotlight. Reports are circulating there are “dubious links” between the voting machines in some counties [Hamilton and William] in Ohio and Governor Romney.

The machines are supplied by Hart Intercivic, a national e-voting company. The Austin-based firm is partially owned by H.I.G Capital, an investment company that has business ties to Solamere Capital, Tagg Romney’s [Mitt’s oldest son] equity firm.

The suggestion is that the Romney link is at best a conflict of interest, with even the potential for bias, fraud or irregularity.

Though, Amy Searcy, director of the Hamilton County’s Board of Election, flat out disagrees. “These allegations are completely false and baseless,” she told theGrio.

“We purchased our voting equipment — developed by Hart [Intercivic] – in 2005 but it’s owned by Hamilton County,” she added. “It’s a paper-based ballet which is scanned into an optical reader. Hart doesn’t have any involvement with the ballot processing or tabulation, that’s all done by our staff.”

Mindless liberals spouting the company is owned by Romney…but the votes WILL be counted in SPAIN by a company owned by George Soros do you think George has the votes fixed after all he supported Obama to get him selected for president, he was at the meeting of the Bilderbergs both Obama and Hillary attended…then she annouced she would drop out of the election …do you really thing we have a voting process in this country or is it more like the Stalin model “It is not important having an election but was is important is he wo counts the votes….can anyone see the corruption and conflict of interest in having SCYTL a spanish company (owned by Soros) tally our votes…I can but Liberals must be blind to these facts

The company in question here is SCYTL . It’s headquartered in Spain and owned by Mr. Pete Valles and Mr. George Soros! Those are facts Robert!

Mr Smith, please provide the proof that Bain owns the voting machines in Ohio.

Fredo says:

“This is to Robert Smith, who keeps blowing off about Romney “owning” and controlling the voting machines in Ohio. STFU you fool. You are NOT stating a fact, and I proved that in an earlier post I left you, which corrected you in your erroneous, false claim. Here it is again you liberal fool:”

Fredo ! how do you say “conflict of interest?

Could a voting machine company with deep financial ties to the Romney family help Republicans steal the presidential election in Ohio?
It could happen. If this year’s presidential election comes down to the electoral votes in Ohio, the deciding votes could be cast on electronic voting machines manufactured by Hart Intercivic.
Tell the Department of Justice: Don’t let Republicans steal the election in Ohio with Romney-owned voting machines. Click here to automatically sign the petition.
A 2007 study conducted by Ohio’s Secretary of State showed that Hart Intercivic’s touch screen voting machines could be easily corrupted. The New York Times reported:
At polling stations, teams working on the study were able to pick locks to access memory cards and use hand-held devices to plug false vote counts into machines. At boards of election, they were able to introduce malignant software into servers.1
Hart Intercivic is majority owned by H.I.G. Capital which controls two of the five seats on the Hart Intercivic board. An investment fund with deep ties to the Romney family and the Mitt Romney for president campaign, H.I.G. Capital was founded by Tony Tamer, a major bundler for the Romney campaign, and it is one of the largest partners of Solamere Capital, an investment fund founded by Tagg Romney and Spencer Zwick, Mitt Romney’s chief fundraiser from the 2008 presidential campaign.2 This makes the Romney family part owner of the voting machine company, through it’s interest in H.I.G. Capital.

Listen, ~ with all the money the Romney family claims ~ why voting machines? why now? Why not islands or maybe the slave trade?

The constitution gives the President the authority to make and sign treaties with the appropval of congress. In 1947, the US agreed to the UN treaty. We created it and promoted it globally. We are in it to stay. These treaties are the law of the land, constitutionally supported and approved.

Since we work within the UN to move the world toward more freedom and openness, for us to suggest that we want to be left alone and to not be involved on the world stage is not only childish, but crazy. We need to do business with the world in order to prosper and grow here at home. So our connections will only grow.

So, we should be pushing our government to allow for direct elections of our representatives to the UN General Assembly and to the UN Security Council. This would give us, as in the people of the USA, some direct influence within the UN bodies.

As for election observers in the USA, I have no problem with that because we can not morally demand access to other nations election processes then try to hide our own from the world. It’s morally indefensible.

We teach and promote accountability for our actions at home and abroad, should these principles not also apply to our leaders and to our country just as we expect it to do overseas?

These actions are legal and constitutional.

Flashman, the administration shill, says — “what would be any issue showing the world how it’s done?”.
Nice equivocation, Flashman (even if poor grammar).
One very big problem is that it wouldn’t show the World how it’s done. It would only show the Leaders and their hired representatives how it’s done. And they’re the problem. Like allowing the Fox to watch the Hen House.

Yeah…it was bad grammar wasn’t it…. is there a Mises link on that DaveH?

must be tough spouting anti US lines day after day. Now to state that we shouldn’t allow the world to observe our election process because…gasp…they’re foreigners? I realize that the voter ID laws have been designed to make voting more difficult and targeting the Democratic strongholds (with no evidence of voter fraud at the voter levels), and I realize that the past few months have turned up act after act of GOP aligned folks destroying registrations and attempting to fix the election, and I realize the elected GOPers of Texas, Alabama, etc are those with the extreme gerrymandering configured to rig the vote and politics in their respective states …

Could that be the big hub bub? that we really don’t have elections that would pass foreign scrutiny and that “our folks” will tell us how it all turned out? Hmmmm…sounds a lot like a despotic country eh? Yugo Chavez will be proud of how the GOP has come around to his line of thinking….

Flashy says, “Do the State lawmakers in Alabama and Texas have something to hide? Are they afraid of observers that they cannot intimidate and suppress? Something they don’t want the world to discover?”

Highly doubtful… as you further pointed out, “each state is responsible for counting it’s own votes, then reporting the results and releasing same to the media/public” – thus these states are equally capable, and responsible for, observing and preventing voter fraud. There is no need for an international body of un-elected officials, to do that for them. It’s ultimately a matter of principle in sovereignty.

“The Austin-based firm is partially owned by H.I.G Capital, an investment company that has business ties to Solamere Capital, Tagg Romney’s [Mitt’s oldest son] equity firm.”

You’ve confirmed the connection. The rest is simply argument.

I find it amazing that the right would question an individual about their right to vote but go along with such links to voting machiens without question.

Rob

So much equivocation (from Flashman), so little time.
Flashman says — “must be tough spouting anti US lines day after day”.
Then why do you do it, Flashman? Because you’re an Administration Shill who cares more about the Leaders than about the people? That was a rhetorical question.

Flashman says — “Now to state that we shouldn’t allow the world to observe our election process because…gasp…they’re foreigners?”.
I already answered that. It would be like hiring the Fox to watch the Hen House. Or to put it another way — it would be like hiring Flashman to look out for our best interests.

Flashman says — “I realize that the voter ID laws have been designed to make voting more difficult and targeting the Democratic strongholds”.
So one minute Flashman feigns concern for the legitimacy of our election process, and then the next he spurns efforts to create that legitimacy.

Flashman says — “Yugo Chavez will be proud of how the GOP has come around to his line of thinking….”.
More attempted manipulation by the Flashman. Where did you come up with your name, Flashman? Is it because the Truth in your comments is gone in a Flash?

And Flashman, I’ve told you many times why I refer to Mises so much. Unlike you, I can trust their articles to be logical, factual, and unbiased. And, unlike you, I don’t expect people to just take my word for anything, so I provide articles that give in-depth explanations of things that I can only offer soundbites about.
But with or without Mises, Flashman, I could beat you in any kind of mental contest except those which involve lying. You would win those hands down, Flashman. I am not too proud to admit that.

“thus these states are equally capable, and responsible for, observing and preventing voter fraud. There is no need for an international body of un-elected officials, to do that for them. It’s ultimately a matter of principle in sovereignty.” <—TML

TML … no one is saying the ultimate enforcement and process is taken over from any state. Consider this. The Parliamentary election results announced this week from Belarus.
= International observers on Monday condemned a weekend vote in Belarus in which not a single opposition politician won a parliament seat.
= Critics also said the 74.3 percent turnout reported Monday by the country's Central Elections Commission chairman was way too high and indicated widespread fraud. Local independent observers estimated the overall turnout as being almost 19 percent lower than the official 74.3 percent figure.
= At least 20 independent election observers were detained

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Or let's take our good friend Hugo Chavez down in Venezuela. In the beginning of October ,,,, "Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias was reelected for another 6-year presidential term in Venezuela, after beating challenger Henrique Capriles 54% to 44%."
= Those elections are not in dispute. Why? because of the hordes of observers from the international monitors.

OK…let's begin with Belarus … observers detained. Is that not what the Texas AG is threatening and many on this forum calling for?

Moving onto Hugo. Would you feel it true had those results been gathered, counted, and announced by Venezuela without the process under international observation?

On one hand, a right wing autocrat supported by a small aristocracy of oligarchical banks and industry. The other is a left wing democratic regime. One detained observers and insisted its results were correct. the other invited all the observers who wanted to come.

Who ya believin' had the honest elections????

Here we have a right wing contingent from conservative ruled states insisting international observers are not welcomed…because 'we" can handle it. including at least one state AG and another state's legislator (both right wing). We have the progressive and moderate states (controlled by the Democrats) saying "hey, come on in, grab a coffee..sit a spell!" .

Think about all the above before dismissing the concept that international observers on a "come one, come all!" is a bad unwanted unwarranted idea

Currently 2/3 of the UN membership is compose of Tyrannical Countries. And Flashman thinks they are going to moderate the Venezuelan elections fairly?
Pardon me while I roll over and laugh hysterically:
http://www.thechortle.com/Chortle23/TheChortle2207_ROFLMAO.png

Flashman says — “Those elections are not in dispute. Why? because of the hordes of observers from the international monitors”.
How do you tell if Flashman is lying? His lips are moving:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1885574534001/allegations-of-voter-fraud-in-chavez-re-election-victory/

If no one is saying the ultimate enforcement and process is (or ought to be) taken over from any state, then how do the findings of any international observer matter?

Flashy says, “Belarus … observers detained. Is that not what the Texas AG is threatening and many on this forum calling for?”

I highly doubt anyone is advocating detention of election observers, as much as they are objecting to foreign oversight of their elections.

Flashy says, “Would you feel it true had those results been gathered, counted, and announced by Venezuela without the process under international observation?”

Sure, why not?

Flashy says, “Who ya believin’ had the honest elections????”

Who I ‘believe’ had honest elections in another country doesn’t really matter to me.

Flashy says, “Here we have a right wing contingent from conservative ruled states insisting international observers are not welcomed…because ‘we” can handle it. including at least one state AG and another state’s legislator (both right wing). We have the progressive and moderate states (controlled by the Democrats) saying “hey, come on in, grab a coffee..sit a spell!” .”

The problem with your line of thinking here is that it begins with (and entirely dependent upon) the false presupposition, given as rhetoric, that “if you’re not doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?”

It also presumes that any organization, or people, within Texas (for example), are capable or trustworthy of such civic duties as election observation, simply because they reside in Texas.

“Think about all the above before dismissing the concept that international observers on a “come one, come all!” is a bad unwanted unwarranted idea”

This further uses the false presupposition to assume that international observers are more virtuous than those they have come to observe.

To think that way, then gives any ‘recommendation’ or other findings from these observers the ability to dictate enforcement and process over the State which is responsible for the elections. Are you saying that Texas or Alabama have a corrupt government equal to the likes of Hugo Chavez or even Belarus that warrants such foreign observers?Because it seems to me you are putting the cart before the horse by implying that international observers are warranted simply because the resident of those states object to them.

Most American people simply are not comfortable with any foreign body conducting oversight of internal elections, and has nothing to do with being guilty of fraud or hiding anything.

Our votes will NOT be counted in Spain! After wading through all the rumor-mongering sites, I finally found some rational information, and it’s not Snopes!
http://americanpatriotalliance.com/nospainvote/

ROGER THAT Joe1!!!

Truth. The endless parroting of talk radio “entertainers” by people who don’t have a clue what socialism, communism or any other -ism means is a major source of misinformation.

@Smith & Quinn, both of you are completely removed from reality. Acorn was a corrupt-to-the-bone disorganization. They needed to be exposed, just like your hero van jones, and Glenn Beck did just that. Why are you people living in the United States?? You do not belong here. Have you heard yet, that France is now officially socialist?? Yes..they are, so get yourselves over there as quickly as you can and never, ever step foot in America again. You two, and all U.N. officials, need to be kicked…and kicked Hard, out of the United States of America. Neither of you ‘fit’ here, so take your ridiculous way of thinking to France and be miserable over there. We are sick of the misery you bring to America. F.O.A.D.

Neither Acorn nor the unabashed racist Bertha Lewis has collapsed! Instead, as is often the case with viral diseases it has mutated! According to Lewis they are now 18 Organizations, infesting the environment of 25 different States, they have simply changed their names while employing the same destructive methods, to implement their Leftist Utopia!

ACORN may not exist with the same name but they have not gone away or crawled back under their rock ….the ones who were fired for the misdeeds …do you think that every organization does not have a supply of individual people they can throw under the bus…claiming they were the problem …even Obama threw his own pastor under the bus this is just Chicago thug politics as usual…ACORN still exists but under differnet names

Ted says: “Instead, as is often the case with viral diseases it has mutated!”

Sort of like Blackwater?

Rob

Fredo claims: “Acorn was a corrupt-to-the-bone disorganization. They needed to be exposed…”

Really? Except for the employees the caught, fired, and reported, what other incidents are you talking out of your hat about?

Are you going to claim that there are absolutely NO individuals in right wing organizations who have done evil? Oops, there have been. Unfortunately it wasn’t the right wing organization that did the self reporting but a local official who discovered the evil.

Remember: “Congress Members Seek Federal Probe in GOP Voter Registration Fraud Scandal as VA Attorney General Says Office Not Investigating After Arrest
Photos show VA AG Ken Cuccinelli visiting with RNC employee days before arrest for destroying voter registration forms…”

Yup, right wing caught again: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9657

Rob

They were all burned @ the stake…..they just changed their name to protect the guilty….seems to run in the dem familia.

fredo says: “. Acorn was a corrupt-to-the-bone disorganization. They needed to be exposed,”

Really? They were “exposed” by themselves by doing the right thing of reporting bad employees. That’s better than what the Republicans did just a couple of weeks ago.

Please do tell us what needed “exposing” beyond what they reported themselves.

Rob

They did it themselves , right after they were exposed and did not have a choice but to sack the people to bad only a few got found out and sacked.

Acorn was forced to change their name and moved to new address’s, they were and still are the voter fraudulent arm of the liberal progressives in the US today!

All this verbiage to admit that you cannot be expected to be honest.

RE: UN Treaties
You make some good points on the presidents ability to initiate treaties with the Senate’s approval. The rosy idealistic picture which you paint may not hold true given that the Obama Administration has four treaties under negotiation with the UN that are very questionable. The ATT, LOST and two additional treaties will yield US sovereignty to the UN. Hillary Clinton has already signed the ATT and it awaits Obamas signature (which will happen after the election). Obama’s signature partially commits the US even if not ratified by the Senate. In addition, the way the treaties are worded, the UN will have full discretion on the interpretation of words within the treaties and that subjugates US citizens to the will of the UN and by implication, countries that are anti-US.

Look into these” Obama” treaties and you will find some very disconcerting details. As an example: How will you respond if the UN gets its way to tax the Internet (which is a subject now under discussion)? Dig into these treaties and you may find that the UN is now poised to syphon off US revenue (especially with the LOST Treaty) on a massive scale, all under the agenda of “wealth redistribution”. Sound familiar?

President Obama has worked behind the scenes too many times to, as he said: “Fundamentally Change America”. So far he is succeeding beyond all common knowledge and must be stopped. The above alone is more than enough reason to elect a pro-America president and Obama is not “pro-America” as we know it.

Timothy says — “Since we work within the UN to move the world toward more freedom and openness”.
When the UN was created (By Leaders, For Leaders) the number of tyrannical members has increased from 1/2 to 2/3rds. Your people are failures, Timothy. Why does that not surprise me?
http://frontpagemag.com/upload/pamphlets/UN.pdf

Our Founders believed otherwise my Friend! I think they had a helluva lot more wisdom than the fools in charge now!

Here Bev, enjoy this one: http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/

Rob

AM READY!!!

The USA has the largest un-standing army in the world…90- million gun owners! This scares the [expletive deleted] out of our own government!

Check out what Texas has to say about this.

Dear eddie47d,

You write: “PLD has been proclaiming voter fraud for over 3 years now…” Talking out of your hat again?

Best wishes,
Bob

The UN has no authority in any election in the US, and any organization that asks them in, to interfere in our American lives , should be shown the door to wherever they come from and the outfit that asked them to observe , should go the same way.

This is The United States, the freedom center of the world, and will always be as long as we get rid of people like obama ,reid, and pelosi–and any Rinos and a few others that prefer the progressive (communist/muslim)way of life—The first step should be defunding the US ‘s payment to the UN and them closing the UN building in NY and sending the diplomats back to their home countries or wherever they want to go –as long as it is not the US–

The US is not perfect, but is better than any other country in this world —-

Not one bit Bob. Even you have brought up ACORN on several occassions,Chicago “thugs”,dead voters,threats at polling places and so forth. My hat is the same size Bob so please have a nice day.

By the way Bob I’m also against having UN observers at any polling place in the USA and only made an observation on the issue.

Eddie,
Please produce some evidence to back up your conjecture. The regulars know that you regularly make up “facts” out of whole cloth.

Awwww shucks, are you REALLY surprised that after all the screeching from the extreme right about voter fraud that it didn’t get heard?

It’s the EXTREME RIGHT that has been screaming about voter fraud. Well, now there are some independent observers to look for it.

Or, are you now going to claim that voter fraud isn’t thaaaaaaaaat much of a problem?

ROFL… The hypocritical nature of the right shows up again.

Rob

Yada, Yada, Yada.
After all these years on this board, the zealot Robert is still clinging to the Left/Right paradigm, while the Leaders take us to the cleaners.

Awwww Dave…

Do you still deny the hypocritical nature of the right shows up again as they complain that voter fraud isn’t fought theeeeeeeir way?

Rob

I problem with Dave H is that he has been on this site for a few years so he knows exactly what gets said. Until he goes into complete denial and he has been doing that alot lately.

Sober up, Eddie, so we can understand you. Then at least you will issue understandable nonsense.

eddie, teddy 47 ways to be a commie, the U.S. out of the UN and the UN out of the U.S. is what needs to happen so you lying commies can find another org. to carry your banner. You would have voted for Hitler eddie, teddy.

JD, I understand your concerns.

As a fellow patriotic American I disagree however with your assessment of the situation concerning election observers coming to the US via the OSCE, a UN recognized agency of the EU, as being a threat to our state. Here’s why.

The US is an active member of the OSCE and the UN. We, by those treaty obligations, by the rule of law that that establishs for us and others, go into other states around the world to monitor and observe elections. We expect others to abide by the rule of law, whether those laws and rules are national or international. As a matter of fact, when they try to say that they do not want international observers in their states, we point out to them their treaty obligations and the fact that the rule of law must apply equally to all.

So this then raises a moral and legal concern. Morally, our stand in opposition to having the OSCE observers monitor US elections is wrong. It’s not morally defensible for us to demand that other states abide by the rule of law and be held accountable by it then not expect the same of ourselves.

Legally, we are a nation that promotes the rule of law as being the defining characteristic of a successfull constitutional republic. What are we telling the world when they see us refuse to abide by the rule of law to which we so forcefully subscribe to and demand that others follow our lead, then turn around and say that it doesn’t apply to us? Are we telling everyone in every state on earth in all our dealings with them, whether in election matters, trade, commerce, cooperation, military engagements, etc, “to do say I say, not as I do?”

timothywilliamson, the states are sovereign entities and the UN or any of their agencies have no business in the internal affairs of the states and issues surrounding voter fraud must be dealt by the state or the courts. Keep the UN out of our country and out of our business. You are not a patriot but a one world dupe.

Tell met this, is it right of the USA to demand that other nations follow the rule of law and abide by treaties? Are we the world beacon of truth and the rule of law? Why then should any state (nation) ever trust us again if we do not also abide by those very same rules and laws? What moral and legal authority could we stand on to justifiy a lack of accountability and responsibilty on our own part? What nation in their right mind would ever trust us in any thing to do with the rule of law, or treaties involving trade and commerce or in military alliances if we do not have the strength of character to do follow the very laws and rules we ask others to follow? How hypocritical, how arrogant is that?