If there was nothing there to hide, why was so much time and treasure expended to conceal all of the records so completely?
Please remember, we were promised the most open of presidencies, what we have been given is a constant litany of concealment, misdirection, and outright lies.

In other words, you’ve got nothing.

“If there was nothing there to hide, why was so much time and treasure expended to conceal all of the records so completely?”

He hasn’t. You have no proof that he has.

Educational records, birth records, passport records. None of them are public records, so why do you keep, stupidly, asking for them? You, and the rest of us, simply don’t have the right to them.

Jeff, because he resorts to subterfuge and cover ups to hide who he REALLY is. He is dishonest about his credentials, accomplishments, birth, school records, college degree’s, any and all personal information which all other presidents have given over when requested. This guy hides behind the cover of darkness – if I had a guess I’d guess there is a group of people that have joined together to push this guy through the political arena because of his gift of gab while they manipulate him like a puppet behind the scenes! I don’t believe for one minute he graduated from Harvard, there isn’t any record where he successfully practiced law, etc. It’s like all of a sudden he just appeared on a rock somplace in the middle of the desert and was then ‘discovered”.

Hardly. He made national news when he became the editor of the Harvard Law Review. In order to do that, he had to be a student at Harvard Law School. I assume you’ve heard of it. And, to be on the law review, you have to be in the top 10% of your class. He taught and he served in the Illinois State Senate before being elected to the U.S. Senate.

Speaking of covering things up. Where are Romney’s tax returns? Why has he shown fewer tax returns than any presidential candidate in decades?

What is it that makes Obama unworthy to be president? Among many things, is his neglect to meet with the PM of Israel when asked to. Instead, he was partying with JZ and Byonce, and on David Letterman. Surely, you saw that! He hasn’t met with his security advisers or budget committee in a year! The man simply thought campaigning was more important than running our country! He actually said, he was too busy!
How many czars has he appointed? He just lets his appointees run the country, and blames them, and anyone but himself, if something goes wrong. I won’t even get into the race card he plays (he is half white you know, but doesn’t ever share that part), and the class warfare he’s started…well, it all comes down to he has divided this country instead of uniting us. Reading yours and other comments proves it!

“How many czars has he appointed? ”

You know, I keep seeing people repeating this inane question. And no matter how many times it is explained to them, the facts just don’t stick to them. Is it because they don’t want it to? They would rather believe these lies to facts. That, BTW, is disgusting.

These so-callled “Czars” are non-Congressional approved positions. They do not have to be approved by Congress or by voters. What they are is Heads of Departments that have long names, so the press and the Administrations just started calling them “Czars” to invoke some humor and not have to repeat the whole Department name.

It did not start with Obama. And that is a FACT is quite easily researched.

If the shoe fits. . . . .

“Any mental midget who voted the first time for this crossbred congentatal liar, either couldn’t read his books or were typical degreed morons who spout BS. Ojug ears said what he beleives in and how he wanted to change the USA!”

Excuse me, Tag. Are you saying your post is NOT evidence of racism or bigotry? I don’t believe I’ve ever heard the term “crossbred congenital liar” being used in any other way. If you don’t like being called a racist ignoramus, stop speaking like one!

Did you see the post mine was responding to?

Jeff, there you go again, attempting to explain or excuse what you have said or done – typical!

And you are absolutely correct – that is exactly what he is doing! They are too ignorant to realize they are just being used by this twerp they are supporting! How funny!

My thoughts exactly! Any man whom LIES and DECEIVES is a THUG! Oh yet if you are a muslim LYING AND DECEIVING is an honor! So KNOWING OBAMA LIES AND DECEIVES which of the two does he belong????? OBAMA LIVES IN DENIAL AND DARKNESS! TRUTH SETS EVERY MAN FREE! GOD BLESS THE USA! YHWH AND YESHUA BLESS THE “TRUTHFUL MAN”!

Those countries you speak of do not want the useful idiots of O that are in America. They would rather have the useful idiots of O working like termites here in America undermining the foundation of America.

The reason it is still being brought up is that zero is still in the white house(at least it used to be white) , as soon as someone in the department of justice does their duty and exposes O’Bama for what he is, an imposter of president of the USA, we will gladly drop that line. And assume our new one, trying him for treason!

Has anyone every discovered just how many little pine tree’s they have hanging all over the oval office and the rest of the WHITE house?

Oh come on now Tlgeer, you must know that Obama bin Laden is immoral, unethical, and hasn’t kept any of his promises.

http://www.patriotupdate.com/videos/obamanesia-forgetting-every-campaign-promise-you-ever-made

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하니님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

So he didn’t end the Iraq War? He didn’t pass Healthcare Reform? He didn’t pass Wall Street Reform? You may not like any of these things but they were all campaign promises that he kept despite unanimous opposition from republicans. So, your statement, true to your candidate, is a lie.

Now, tell me how stupid I am, blah, blah, patriot,blah, blah fear of God. But at least try to address the issue.

Did he end it within the first 6 months? No. Did he pass healthcare or did he use immoral, unethical, and illegal means to have it rammed through Congress, the Senate, and onto the people, which 70% did not want? He didn’t pass a thing. Wall Street reform? Ha, ha, ha, ha! How could he pass Wall Street reform when he gets so much of his financial backing from there? Need to bone up more on the facts before you post. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Of the more than 500 promises that Obama made, here is the scorecard on them:

The Obameter Scorecard http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Promise Kept 192 (38%)

Compromise 77 (15%)

Promise Broken 86 (17%)

Stalled 45 (9%)

In the Works 106 (21%)

Not yet rated 2 (0%)

Do any of you have valid proof that what politifact has tracked, and it’s conclusions, are wrong?

You’ve got to be kidding. That’s your evidence? The mad ravings of an old woman on Republican Radio? Why not just take the opinions of Sean Hannity as gospel?

Well that’s what happens when you tell the truth and have nothing to hide. Unlike our president that had chosen to hide everything. The only people that do that are the ones that have something to hide….

There you go again Mark….deny the truth when the facts are to real for you to absorb….by the way….get the dems to get obozo’s school records and lets compare…bet you can’t ?

Better than a LYING HATING THUG SPILLING DECEIT AND HATRED! Romney is “TRUTH”! obama is “LIES, DECEIT AND HATRED”! Hey Mark……..Can you please POST THE “HISTORY” of “obozo the muslim” I mean Christian past? PLEASE IF YOU DO ALSO POST “DOCUMENTATION WHICH CAN BE VERIFIED”! You should start with the birth certificate as that is where the “LIES” BEGAN! LOL!

Your comments have been “campaign ads” for O. According to your view only your side can trumpet for O.

Hey Mark:
Glad you can read the Romany profile ( you call it a campaign ad) .
Please provide a similar background profile for Obama and lets compare the two.
As an Illinois resident, and very familiar with Obama’s pre-presidential background, I can certainly verify you list. So go to it Mark, the cyber world is waiting.

nickkin,

“get the dems to get obozo’s school records and lets compare…bet you can’t ?”

You don’t have the right to them. WHAT is so hard for you people to understand about this? It’s straight forward and simple. No matter how may times you call for/demand these records you do not have the right to them.

What’s more is that the official holders of those documents have no right to release them to the public.

Tigeer:
The president works for me. If I am to consider hiring someone, I have a proper interest in their track record. If you don’t beleive me, just ask anyone who actually provides jobs. I understand this may require you to interact with some conservatives- oh well, everything has its price…

Sorry, you are wrong, or what you are doing its illegal. As a prospective employer you do not have the right to school transcripts. I’ve dealt with personnel issues for 20 years. If you are asking for school transcripts, what you are doing is illegal.

You want to see a diploma? That’s a different issue.

I guess that Mark has failed to comprehend the facts that Obama bin Laden has been swept on all 3 debates, he lost all of them.

http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/7668/romney-sweeps-the-debates-with-14-days-to-go/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

If only you were the judge of all things, you could just declare Obama an illegal alien. As it is, 3 morons on a blog will agree with you.

I don’t know about the illegal alien part Jeff, but he is not a natural born citizen as is a requirement according to the Constitution. If you think Obama bin Laden has done so much for the people, just look at the 18 tax hikes he has force upon us.

http://www.townhall.com/katiepavlich/2012/08/21/obamatax_taking_a_look_at_18_obamacare_tax_hikes

Now do you still have faith in your messiah? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Wrong. That’s just your view, and it’s not a legal view.

The US Supreme Court ruled that as long as a person was born on US soil, and were not the child of diplomats, that they were natural born citizens. Then they proceeded to deport that person. Illegally.

You cannot just make up your own laws, or your own definition of laws. Unless you are a judge, and have the right to determine if a challenged law is Constitutional or not. You, quite clearly, are not. Neither am I, but it’s not hard to look up what the rulings over the years have been.

I think the whole Sam/Samurai/WifeOf clan lives on what Jon Stewart refers to as [expletive deleted] Mountain. they could just file a lawsuit if it’s so clear that Obama is not a natural born citizen, but they’s rather moan on a blog. The reason the mainstream media pays no attention to the stuff from [expletive deleted] Mountain is it’s all [expletive deleted]

Wrong, wrong, wrong Tlgeer. Look up the SCOTUS decisions on this matter and you’ll see they ruled 5 times that both parents must be U.S. Citizens. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Which cases?

Tell Samurai that’s absolutely untrue. We’ve already seen all their cases and none say that. There was one that had some dicta to that effect but it was not a holding. If the case law is so clear, why has no court permitted a case of this nature to survive a motion to dismiss?

JeffH was the prime purveyor of this nonsense. Here’s a good refutation by someone who actually knew something:

ehancock says:
June 10, 2012 at 3:05 pm
It is you who have a comprehension problem.

Here are the actual words of the Wong Kim Ark ruling:

“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

That clearly says that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law (hence, not from Vattel), and that it refers to the place of birth (hence, not the parents). And it says that the same rule applied in England, and in the American colonies and in the early states, AND under the U.S. Constitution.

That is why Meese said:

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

For further reference:

http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com/

Then, there’s the case they always like to cite, Minor v. Happersett. Here’s the same writer showing why this case doesn’t support the argument either:

ehancock says:
June 10, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Re: “MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. US SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT STATES THAT OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT.”

But it isn’t binding precedent. It is dicta. Look up dicta.

Moreover, it does not even say that two citizen parents are required. All that it says is that there was never a doubt that if you were born in the USA and had two citizen parents you were without question a Natural Born Citizen.

But that DOES NOT say that two citizen parents are required. An analogy would be: “It was never doubted that if you wore both suspenders and a belt you would hold your pants up.” That does not say that both suspenders and a belt are required.

And, guess what, the Wong Kim Ark case was after the Minor vs Happersett case, so if Minor vs Happersett really were a ruling, and not dicta, the Wong Kim Ark case would have overturned it, and the Wong Kim Ark case ruled (six to two, one not voting) that EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is NATURAL BORN.

For more information on the Minor vs Happersett ruling see:

http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com/

Here’s more about this nonsensical argument:

JeffH says:
June 10, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Again ehancock, your arguement is non sequilur.

The US Supreme Court did not hold that the Constitution granted voting rights to men while denying such rights to women. The Court in Minor held that the Constitution did not grant anybody a right to vote, man or woman.

But in doing so, the US Supreme Court first had to determine if Mrs. Minor was a US citizen. The Court’s holding states that she was a US citizen because she was born in the US to parents who were citizens.

The Court in Minor did make a direct holding that Mrs. Minor was, in fact, a US citizen. The Court established her citizenship by definining the “class” of “natural-born citizens” as those born in the US to parents who were citizens. Then the Court included Virginia Minor in that class thereby deeming her to be a US citizen.

Thus, Minor v. Happersett did set precedent by defining the “class” of “natural born citizen” as those born in the US to PARENTS(plural) who were citizens.

That you refuse to accept that is your error, not mine.

Jeff says:
June 10, 2012 at 11:31 pm
You are wrong. The case simply decided that the 14th amendment did not invalidate a state statute limiting voting to men. Her citizenship, while assumed due to her birth in the U.S. and the citizenship of her parents, was not an issue in the case. Thus, while the Court stated in dictum that she was clearly a citizen, it clearly did not say that only if both parents are citizens is the child born here a citizen.

Jeff says:
June 11, 2012 at 12:24 am
“The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 at 167-168 (1874)

The Court acknowledged a difference of opinion concerning the necessity of the parents to be citizens but said, very clearly and in English: “For purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts.” They were saying she’s a citizen; she just can’t vote. They DID NOT say, even in dictum, that it was necessary for both her parents to be citizens in order for her to be a natural born citizen.

I know you’re probably just following orders but really, use some sense in making your arguments.

ehancock says:
June 11, 2012 at 6:27 am
JeffH said: “The Court’s holding states that she was a US citizen because she was born in the US to parents who were citizens.”

We are in agreement that the court held that she, Minor, was a US citizen. The court did not hold that both US parents or birth in the USA was required. It did not say that both were required to be a US citizen or that both were required to be a Natural Born Citizen. It merely said that if you had both then you were without doubt a Natural Born Citizen.

But that does not say whether or not one of the two might be sufficient.

For example. If I say: “It was never doubted that in a building with both an elevator and stairs people could get from the first floor to higher floors,” that does not mean that both required. You can get from lower floors to higher floors using only stairs or using only the elevator.

If the statement had said: “Both are required,” that would be different. But it doesn’t.

So you are deceiving yourself and others that the Minor vs Happersett ruling said that both are REQUIRED.

And, in fact, the Minor vs Happersett decision is not even considered to be a ruling on this matter. It is a sentence about NBC status in a voting rights case. It is not, unlike the Wong Kim Ark decision, part of an extensive discussion of what the common law means. It is what lawyers call “dicta.” And, if it were a ruling, not dicta, the Wong Kim Ark decision was after it and hence would have overturned it.

In any case, you are deceiving yourself that the statement that it was never doubted that the children of US citizens born in the USA are Natural Born Citizens requires BOTH birth in the USA and two US parents. It may simply require one of those two criteria. And, as JeffH has pointed out, the ruling then goes on to say that it does not have to decide which of the two criteria apply. It is therefore not a ruling.

And it does not say that both are required any more than the statement that “It was never doubted that in a building with stairs and an elevator people would be able to get from lower floors to higher floors” is a statement that both stairs and an elevator are REQUIRED.

Wrong, wrong, wrong tlgeer and Jeff. The SCOTUS has ruled, not dicta, 4 times about this. I remember reading in the Bible, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” God is right as you 2 should stop lying on this site. The four cases that ruled a natural born citizen is born of parents who are citizens of that country are:

The Venus 12, U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Shanks vs. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet 242 242 (1830)
Minor vs. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875)
U.S. vs. Kim Wong Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

Since one of you mentioned the book “The Law of Nations” are still wrong.

“The natives. or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”

The Law of Nations
Emmerich de Vattel

If you still don’t believe me, then refer to this site:

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1308252582

Once again the patriots prevail over the simpletons of the 5th column. I dare you to try to prove me wrong. Remember, these are rulings and not dicta. Need to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

P.S. Please try to cite some factual and reliable historical sources. Secular, lib, prog, atheist sites do not count as they are telling revisionist history, not our true history.

You are simply wrong. Why do you think none of the cases brought have survived a motion to dismiss?

Till you prove me wrong, your words are nothing but unfounded lies, rhetoric, and innuendo. Tell me when they were dismissed. I see you din’t even look at the site I gave you, did you? I guess I shouldn’t be wasting time with you, as you lack the mental capacity to learn true things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out Jeff.

tlgeer, kneel to your saviour on your beliefs….. I laugh @ you on your knees.

Yeah, but which ones did he show you, the real ones (if they exist) or the phony ones he tries to play off of! The guy is a loser!

Mike,

Savior? My Savior is Jesus. Obama is our President and a politician. I’m sorry, and amazed, that you don’t know the difference.

Tigeer, you do have access to anything you want to know about a person, unless of course, you are the president and have your records sealed. Have you personally seen these documents? I did find a copy of Obama’s birth certificate, but nothing else. That’s only because the “People” put up such a fuss about it.

At any rate, check out publicrecords.us.org/national record. You will find that you can get anything on a person, if you want to pay a fee, that is.

What the word of God isn’t sacred? A wise man will search out all aspects of life in dealing with his brethren. A fool will close his mind and won’t search beyond himself thus his sight is narrow.

It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in man.
It is better to take refuge in the Lord than to trust in princes.
I’m overwhelmed with sorrow!
sunk in a swamp of despair!
I’m like someone who goes to the garden
to pick cabbages and carrots and corn
And returns empty-handed,
finds nothing for soup or sandwich or salad.
There’s not a decent person in sight.
Right-living humans are extinct.
They’re all out for one another’s blood,
animals preying on each other.
They’ve all become experts in evil.
Corrupt leaders demand bribes.
The powerful rich
make sure they get what they want.
The best and brightest are thistles.
The top of the line is crabgrass.
But no longer: It’s exam time.
Look at them slinking away in disgrace!
Don’t trust your neighbor,
don’t confide in your friend.
Watch your words,
even with your spouse.
Neighborhoods and families are falling to pieces.
The closer they are—sons, daughters, in-laws—
The worse they can be.
Your own family is the enemy.
Rejecting God as the President?
When Samuel heard the people demand—“Give us a king to rule us!”—he was crushed. How awful! Samuel prayed to God.
So Samuel told them, delivered God’s warning to the people who were asking him to give them a king. He said, “This is the way the kind of king you’re talking about operates. He’ll take your sons and make soldiers of them—chariotry, cavalry, infantry, regimented in battalions and squadrons. He’ll put some to forced labor on his farms, plowing and harvesting, and others to making either weapons of war or chariots in which he can ride in luxury. He’ll put your daughters to work as beauticians and waitresses and cooks. He’ll conscript your best fields, vineyards, and orchards and hand them over to his special friends. He’ll tax your harvests and vintage to support his extensive bureaucracy. Your prize workers and best animals he’ll take for his own use. He’ll lay a tax on your flocks and you’ll end up no better than slaves. The day will come when you will cry in desperation because of this king you so much want for yourselves. But don’t expect God to answer.”

Yes, it is true that we are to take refuge in God and Jesus, Ms. Young. I’ll agree with you all the day long on that. I’ll also agree that we cannot have 2 masters.

“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve both God and mammon (Mammon being money, treasure, folly, etc).”

Mathew 6:24

But for you to believe correctly, then to turn around and say you vote for a liar, muslim, and heretic, like Obama bin Laden shows that you have put aside what it is you have said. It is your government given right (19th Amendment) to vote, but you should vote wisely.

“Providence (God) has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

John Jay
October 12, 1816

Don’t forget that Christianity is an essential part of who we are to elect into office. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

To:Nadzieja Batki
I never said, “i was voteing for O nor did i ever say i had FAITH IN YOUR GOVERNMENT.”

Why don’t you just stay home on election day and pray instead?

Wrong, wrong, wrong Jeff! A patriot would both vote and pray on election day. A 5th column traitor would omit one or both. FOR GOD AND COUNTRTY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

P.S. I posted before this one that you were voting for Obama bin Laden, Ms. Young. I would like to apollogize for that statement.

tlgeer, the majority of the press “MSM”. Blonde with boobs, typical. Disgusting and stupid. [comment has been edited]

that is your opinion, idiot!!!! this person speaks the truth, we all know what a phony obama is. what its going to take for morons like you to wake up? obama is selfserving and the only job he cares for himself.

There you go again, trying to denigrate another person – you are a really insulting, disrespectful individual – if you lived or worked by us you would change your ways, believe me. You are incredibly ignorant in spite of your uppity ways!

Tag – But it’s OK when you do it right?

Tag – I’ve been around here for over two years, and I ain’t goin’ nowhere!

The personal attack. Classic 5th column strategy. It seems Jeff can talk the talk, but can’t walk the walk. Same with you Karolyn. Though I do agree that there is name calling and personal attacks coming fromm every direction on these threads, but if you wish to lay down comments like this one, sort of like setting policy, then you should follow the said policy you have set before us. See here, the samurai made no personal attacks. You can teach an old war dog new tricks. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Gee eddie, still clinging to your “class envy”. You’ve made a lot of accusations based on your Obama media sources and rhetorical talking points…and a ton of conjecture but that’s all you’ve succeeded i doing…repeating what you want to believe without presenting any verifiable sources.

How about your take on the Jeremiah Wright and black preacher denial issue? You do know that Wright and Obama were tight at one time don’t you? Are you aware that Obama used Jeremiah Wright and then abandoned him once he got the 2008 Dem POTUS nomination? Yup, real trustworthy that Obama guy.

Eddie, you are truly a troll, It is certain and without a doubt you have no understanding of the tax code. These offshore accounts that almost all of our Congressman have, let alone all of the millionaire in the USA ,this is not a secret, nor is it illegal. The IRS allows these kind of accounts per the tax code, you and I can have one, however, we do not qualify money wise! Educate yourself before making yourself out to be a fool!!!!!!!!

Simply cause and an effect in how O is dealing with the black Pastors. O is not going to set a trap for the Pastors if he is not planning to catch them into following him. Since O has already set the trap for the Pastors he expects to catch them.

Your comparing 131 laid off workers to 23 million unemployed in our nation….did you go to the same school in Kenya that obummer went to and studied “redistribution 101″ ?

Um, If you shop at WalMart, you are enabling Chinese “oppression” every time you go there… Also, try asking those Chinese workers if they would rather not have their job… Geez…

Could you please reference the tax code page & paragraph that he uses for the Chineese deductions, we can not seem to find it!

What’s the matter Jeff a few facts about Romney got under your skin and you go into the usual denial. I have also told you NO ENVY but I know you never listen! We ALL know about Rev Wright for he has been mentioned well over 100 times on this site. So stop being the usual smug little rat’s excrement. It all rolls downhill so you and the Rev can frolic in it all you want.

Troll Gary Gerke. Its immaterial if “everyone else does it” especially those in Washington and Wall Street. Grow a back bone and do something about it! Hell pornography is legal too but that doesn’t make it right dufus!

That is 131 times how many NICKKIN? How often did they (CEOs) get away with laying the American worker off and then collect millions to do so. All those unemployed came from other companies that pulled the same old tricks. Remember Joe Nacchio,25,000 in one pop. What college did you go to Screwum University?

SSDD, eh ed-duh? Why don’t you look at a letter written by a dem/lib that attended the DNC?

http://www.impeachobamacampaign.com/an-open-letter-to-obama-voters/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

eddie, a few facts? Not on your best day! FYI, how many times must you be told that your opinions are not facts.

Good that you addressed the Jeremiah Wright question…LMAO!

Besides being stupid this attitude is also racist. When you vote for someone because of the color of their skin, this is racism. To disregard all your religious beliefs to vote for someone because of the color of their skin is worse than racism,. I cannot even think of a word that applies to this situation.

Linda, your little world is too small. That is exactly how voting is done, saying that no no such is not done is delusional and dangerous.

Jeff, are you out of your mind? You label Romney with the vice of “doing or saying anything to win????” You say that in support of Barack H. Obama, Chicago gangster, master manipulator, the prince of teleprompting, and part time chameleon??? Come on Jeff, give us something a little better than that.

Here you go, Speedie. Not that you’ll read it, but it’s a start. Just so you know who you’re voting for. He’s not exactly Henry Ford or even his father George.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/on-mitt-romney-bain-capital-and-private-equity-20120829

Perhaps Romney hasn’t been long on specifics because he’d like to develop a coalition of legislators and law makers across the aisle. Let’s face it, the problems we have are going to take both parties working together. This is a position you might not understand, since your wonder ‘O’ thinks he doesn’t need anyone outside his tight inner circle of apostates.

One thing I can count on, he’ll try to undo the damage of the last four years of economic drifting, prevarication to the world community on where the U.S. stands, and defending our allies vigorously. Oh, yeah…he likely won’t bow to Saudi princes.

I have no problem understanding where Romney stands on issues. Maybe the problem is with you. My problem is that Obama has no plan except more of the same that has brought our country to its knees. I understand that perfectly and would elect anyone except Obama again. Our country cannot survive another four years of this monster.

Jeff…do you think Obama will lie and make promises he won’t keep and say anything to anyone just for their vote?

You don’t have to answer that because you already have…FYI, thought I’d remind you that Obama isn’t a natural born citizen either and never should have been allowed to become POTUS in the first place.

Sheesh Jeff! As a friend of my wife would tell you, “You must be out of your !@#$%^^ cotton picking mind!” You still drink up all the kool aid that Obama bin Laden is saying?
Here is actually what is going on in the polls.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/10/22/polls_show_mittmentum_everywhere

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Rush Limbaugh? Really? Did you know he tried to blame Obama for the drop in the stock market at the end of 2008? If anyone has zero credibility on any subject, it’s that fat, drug-addled blowhard!

The personal attack. Classic 5th column strategy.

http://www.conservativevideos.com/2012/10/chris-christie-tears-into-obama/

Wish to say the same about this person? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

This one’s for you tlgeer…it was you that thought Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” was just plain common sense.

The Marxist Roots of Black Liberation Theology
http://www.acton.org/pub/commentary/2008/04/02/marxist-roots-black-liberation-theology

Perhaps it is the Marxism imbedded in Obama’s attendance at Trinity Church that should raise red flags. “Economic parity” and “distribution” language implies things like government-coerced wealth redistribution, perpetual minimum wage increases, government subsidized health care for all, and the like. One of the priorities listed on Obama’s campaign website reads, “Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers.”

Why not say what you really mean – the Marxist influence in the Civil Rights Movement?

What you call “redistribution” is nothing more than the progressive income tax we had when we actually had a middle class. You know, the good old days when Ike was president and marginal tax rates were 90%. So, 39% is hardly confiscatory when most wealthy people have their income well sheltered anyway.

Obama at Center of Chicago Corruption Scandal
Whiteout Press – Sept. 2011
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q42011/obama-at-center-of-chicago-corruption-scandal447/

Obama’s Radical-Left Ties Broad And Deep
CBSNews/National Review Online/September 22, 2009
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-4145761.html
Having now left Trinity United Church of Christ, can Barack Obama escape responsibility for his decades-long ties to Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright? No, he cannot. Obama’s connections to the radical-left politics espoused by Pfleger and Wright are broad and deep. The real reason Obama bound himself to Wright and Pfleger in the first place is that he largely approved of their political-theological outlooks.

When it comes to the American public attempting to know and understand just who is Barack Obama, his campaign and willing accomplices in the MSM have brought forth the old Stalinist tactic of labeling any disparaging, revealing or, negative narrative as a smear as well as attacking the messenger in order to distract from the message itself.
http://www.tysknews.com/News/tracking_obama.htm

“The truth about Obama is uncomplicated. He is just a politician (though of unusual skill and ambition).
The man who dared say it plainly is the man who knows Obama all too well.

‘He does what politicians do,’ explained Jeremiah Wright…
By the time he’s finished, Obama will have made the Clintons look scrupulous.”
—Charles Krauthammer

Jeff, as if you could read minds…NOT! DUH, if you can’t figure out why I posted what I posted I surely won’t spell it out for you…and you progressives so often claim a superior intelect. That just ain’t true!

Sieg heil. I don’t need to be much of a mind reader. I just remember your posts used to be adorned with lovely swastikas. Like Romney, you’ve learned not to say what you really think.

I suppose you believe pigs can fly too?

“Life Is like a Box of Chocolates…You Never Know What You’re Gonna Get!”

We don’t have to worry about Jeff H being labeled a Progressive for he does lack “superior intellect”. He’s the copy and paste Queen!

I ask you to remember Jeff H that Jeff just can’t be fixed. So Jeff thinks he and his ilk are holier than thou, but here is something for you to think about.

“If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the atheist? Their virtue then, must of had some other foundation than the love of God.”

Thomas Jefferson

Care to answer Jefferson about you and your ilk’s ways? What! no nads to answer? How about this one from Washington?

“I now make it my earnest prayer that God would most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity (love), humility, and pacific temper of the mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion.”

Since you lib, secularist, progs go against these beliefs, you can never be considered patriots, nor considered good Americans. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Samurai:

See, that’s the definition of irony – you accusing someone else of a “holier than thou” attitude. Unlike you, I don’t think I’m holier than anyone. I do think my ideas make more sense than yours but so do my dog’s. As for Washington and Jefferson, they’s be appalled at the levels of stupidity, xenophobia, and illiteracy exhibited on these blogs.

I know. I know. I’m describing myself. Patriot. blah. blah. God. blah. blah

Wrong answer Jeff. If your ideas were more sensible than others, people would be agreeing with you and not with me, now wouldn’t they? A sensible idea that leans so far to the left is not sensible, but idiotic. Why don’t you look at this about Obama bin Laden and class warfare.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-class-warfare-dont-get-fooled-again/

Though the person writing this article is no politician, nor wants to be one, this should open up that dense, little lib/prog mind of yours. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. Since you say blah, blah, blah, to this statement of mine, this shows that you have neither. Ergo, not a patriot.

You must be a professor of logic somewhere.

Hey, Jeff, [comment has been edited] You just gotta sling the barbs don’t you? You just have to sling sarcastic, caustic comments to others! Makes you feel like a big man? No, it makes you look like the fool you are and a bitter failure at being a decent human being along with being a failure in life. The next thing we’ll hear is all about slavery. BTW, get down on your knees and be grateful someone DID bring your ancestors to the USA [comment has been edited]

Tag:

I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m Black because I am not. But if there were any doubt about your being an authentic racist, I guess it’s now been removed. Gee, I wonder if the anti-Obama stuff has ANYthing to do with race. Let me ponder that one awhile.

ehhhh, yeah, sure! That’s pretty racist right there! Duh!

No, Tag, it isn’t. It’s calling you out for sending the most racist post anyone has ever seen! Now, have your nurse or your granddaughter take your computer privileges away.

Who is following you other than a few right wingers on a conservative blog? And since 1981, all the class warfare has been from the top. Take a look at income distributions. The middle class has been disappearing ever since Reagan’s culture of greed. If you equate that with “Jesus,” you have a perverted view of religion.

That’s right….he used wright and everyone else to further his own personal interest…he throws everyone udner the bus eventually and he will do so with this libiyen deal…four already are dead under one bus….more to come so he can cover his own mistake and heini. If you can’t see what a dictator he is and wants to be for 4 more, look in the mirror..you may not think who you really are!

If this is true Jeff, then why are the 80′s, under Regan and Bush, known as the decade of giving? Remember, the 1980′s in this country saw more money being given to charities ever in out history. People tend to give more when the economy is good. That is why giving to charity is at a low these days. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Then why did Obama have a conference call with black preachers, including Wright, just the other day? Trying to get the black vote, that’s why. He said years ago, that Wright was his friend and mentor (I heard his speech myself). Now he denies all this, and turns his back on his old friend and mentor. What do you think he has and will do to us in the future?

Obama has lied for so many years, he can’t even remember what he’s said. He’s just an opportunistic politician who wants power, and could care less about this country.

It’s been said, that there’s 2 ways to destroy a country…monetarily and militarily. In MY opinion, Obama is doing both. How can you deny this?

I can deny it because I can see where we were headed in January 2009 and where we’re headed now. We were heading into Depression after 8 years of George W. Hoover. Obama has reversed that and we have been adding jobs in the private sector every month for nearly 3 years. I know you’ll say he hasn’t turned the Republican mess around quickly enough, but if Obama were a Republican, you’d be carving his face on Mt. Rushmore.

It always amazes me when people make statements based on partisan rhedoric, nothing more. Evert new president takes a hit from the the previous administration, Bush took a huge hit from Clinton’s Dotcom bubble burst, unemployment was horrible and the economy was down. When is the left going to stop blaming Bush and put the blame where it belongs. Obama’s policies have failed, no budget approved in four years and the wasting of 90Billion dollars on green crap that is not viable at the present time!
Obama can take credit for less than 400,000 new private sector jobs in the last four years….do your own research and learn!!!!!!!

Bush inherited a surplus and gave the money to his wealthy supporters. He turned surplus to deficit without a word from you right wing morons. “Deficits don’t matter” as long as a Republican is president, right? Like clockwork, you guys start bitching about the deficit you created the minute a Democrat gets elected to clean up you mess.

DJ,

Why shouldn’t Obama speak to a group of black ministers? They are voters, too.

Both candidates speak to as many groups as they can.

The fact that those groups have money and influence are the reasons. And they are voters.

To tigeer: I didn’t say Obama shouldn’t speak to a group of black people. I said that he did, including Wright. I was responding to someone else’s comment about Wright’s and Obama’s current relationship, I think.

Anyway, it has nothing to do with Black or White or any ethnicity. And you are right, he Obama, and Romney, have the right to AND should speak to all groups regardless of the color of their skin.

Jeff, cite a source showing Clintons surplus. The surplus in question was a lie and only a complete fools would believe the surplus nonsense. Bush gave it to the rich? Bush, baaaaa! Surplus, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Sheesh, I swear you sheeple never quit drinking kool aid, do you? Here is something that is being threatened onto the people by Obama bin Laden and his thugs.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-supporters-continue-threats-to-riot-assassinate-romney.html

Shows what you and your ilk are all about, eh Jeff? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Whether the Clinton surplus was real or illusory, the economy was in much better shape in 2001 than in 2009. Bush was a moron who believed in tax cuts for the rich above all else. At first, it was because we had a surplus. Then, it was because there was a recession. Republicans like tax cuts for the highest earners because that’s who they work for. You can name call all you want but the truth doesn’t change. BTW: I think your whole religious act is a fraud. No religious person is as insulting as you are nor would he advocate the selfish policies you do.

Wrong, wrong, wrong Jeff. The economy may have been in better shape in 2001 than 2009, but not because of Clinton. Obama bin Laden has done nothing to improve the current situation either, but has made it worse and longer lasting. We had a recession that started in 1999 – 2000 (Clinton) and we did not fully recover till after 2 Bush tax cuts (across the board) in 2001 and 2003 and a recovery from the 9/11 attacks. If you think otherwise, then it shows that you do not know the facts about these times. Clintons policies were responsible for the tanking of the housing market starting in September 2008. Surplus? Care to cite a source on that? That has been debinked on this site since I came to this site in 2009. Tax cuts for the rich? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Your ignorance is truly laughable. Bush, baaaaa! Tax cuts, baaaaa! The rich, baaaaa! I was an E7 (SFC) in the army at that time and I remember, as I’m sure you do, receiving those 2 checks for $600 a piece from the government after these tax cuts. I was only making aroun $4000 a month at that time, to count my BAQ and BAS. Ergo, the cuts were across the board, so stop wasting our time with your class envy and jealousy of other people’s success.

Do I believe in God and Jesus? Yes, I do. But when people do things that are wrong or stupid, I believe in what the Bible say to rebuke those that do things this way. You tell the truth? Please! They shall study and gather wisod and intelligence and profess to know the truth, but the truth is far from them. With no facts or sources to back up what you say, you’re telling me the truth? Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. What policies did I mention that would be considered selfish? Earning what you need and no nanny state? Government going by the Constitution, law, morals, ethics, and our Christian founding? Not opening the door for special rights for people who are perverted in their minds and hearts (gays, bis, petifiles, beastial relationships, bigamy, etc)? Tax cuts across the board and deep spending cuts? Speaking of which, if we want the debt to be paid off, we must cut every single entitlement program and get rid of the self destructive welfare state.

http://www.dailycaller.com/2012/10/18/report-welfare-governments-single-largest-budget-item-in-fy-2011-at-approx-1-03-trillion/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

This one is for you Jeff:

“I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is One Nation Under God.”

George H. W. Bush

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Here’s the deal. No one gives a DAMN what some fake Samurai thinks about anything. What are you – a cartoon character? Determining who is and isn’t a citizen. Pathetic.

I just quoted what someone said, so why the personal attack? If you don’t like what I’va posted, go tell that to the person that originally said it and not the messenger. I guess the truth hurts, now don’t it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Your every post is a personal attack as you imply anyone who disagrees with you is a non-patriot or a non-citizen.

Remember what our founders thought about this country and its patriots Jeff.

“The United States of America were no longer colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.”

John Quincy Adams

“He who will introduce into PUBLIC AFFAIRS the principles of a primitive Christianity, will change the face of the world.”

Benjamin Franklin

“History will also afford frequent opportunities of showing the necessity of a PUBLIC RELIGION…and the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern.”

Benjamin Franklin

“The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations with it.”

John Marshall

“He is the best friend to American liberty who is the most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God (Athiests), I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.”

John Witherspoon

James Madison conceived the three branches of our government by inspiration from Isaiah 33:22.

There are just so many ways to prove you wrong Jeff, it would take forever to list them all. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you and your ilk out.

Why do you think the Constitution precludes religious tests for public office? The founding fathers set up a system that has endured, but their personal ideas on social issues are more than 200 years out of date. I am sure they would have seen you as sub-human. Does that mean we have to accept all their attitudes about race, ethnicity, and religion? If they believed in capital punishment for minor offenses, are we bound by their beliefs? No more than we stone women for adultery.

Your right, however, lately the liberal progressive judges are allowing Sharia law into our court systems. It will only a matter of time before we have a dual justice system which will meld together and become a convoluded mess of gigantic proportions. Staying on the course of appeasing the Muslim population will eventualy lead to civil war in the USA

Can you cite a case where Sharia Law has been used? And if some state court somewhere enforced a Sharia-like contract between 2 Muslims, how would that have anything to do with Obama or Romney? You know, there are religious courts where, for example Orthodox Jews can agree to have a dispute mediated by a Rabbi. Is that what you’re talking about?

Here is an example of one Jeff.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2012/February/Pa-Judges-Ruling-Proof-of-Sharia-Law-in-US-Courts-/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both lobe of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

First, I’m skeptical that the facts are correctly presented because it’s Pat Robertson. But if the facts are accurate and the Judge dropped the charges only because of the religious angle, I say it’s a poor decision. But what would you say if the defendant had been a Christian offended by a non-Christian? I suspect the paragraph about Sharia Law was added by the CBN editorial staff.

The use of Sharia Law would more likely be introduced in a divorce proceeding where the parties agreed to a particularly Muslim style of custody arrangement. Would I approve of such a thing? No, but frankly it’s no different from other religious tribunals that are sometimes empaneled to mediate disputes.

Here are some more things to prove you wrong about this being a Christian nation.

“I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”

John McCain
BelietNet interview Sept 2007

“I desire to bless and praise the name of God most high fpr appointing me my birth in a land of Gospel Light where the glorious tidings of a Savior and of pardon and salvation through Him have been continually sounding in mine ears.”

Robert Treat Pine

I like the facts that he calls America a country of Gospel Light. This puts another nail in your coffin Jeff.

“There is no other name under heaven by which a man may be saved. The defects in good works shall not be supplied by a faith in Mahomet, Fo (Buddha), or any other except Christ.”

Thomas Jefferson
The Works of Thomas Jefferson, Vol II, Pgs. 253-254
“Notes on Religion” October 1776

“Let us enter on this important business under the idea that we are Christians on whom the eyes of the world are now turned. Let us earnestly call and beseach Him, for Christ’s sake, to preside in our councils. We can only depend on the all powerful influence of the Spirit of God. Whose Divine aid and assistance it becomes us as a Christian people most devoutly to implore. Therefore I move that some minister of the Gospel be requested to attend this Congress every morning …in order to open the meeting with prayer.”

Elias Boudinot

“The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. Where, say some, is the King of America? I’ll tell you, friend, He reigns above.”

Thomas Paine
Common Sense 1776

I guess ones that you say are diests, agnostics, or atheists really believed in God and that we are a Christian nation. Poor Jeffy Weffy now has his panties in a bunch, because the big, bad samurai whompped him on the playground. Well boo hoo! The truth hurts, now doesn’t it? Here is one iten that proves your theory about no religious test out of the window. It is stated in the Constitution, but it is not the way you perceive it to be.

http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=22348

This document, signed by Samuel Chase on February 01, 1794. This document is Chase certifying Bernard Lafon’s “Declaration of his belief in the Christian religion and the Oath required by the Act of Assembly of this State entitled ‘An Act of Naturalization.’” This goes against the religious test and your warped beliefs of separation of church and state, which there is no such thing mentioned in the Constitution, nor is it Constitutional Law.

“The Hand of Providence has been so conspicuous in all this that He must be worse than the infidel that lacks faith, and more than wicked, that has not gratitude enough to acknowledge His obligations.”

George Washington

“You do well to wish to learn our arts and our ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. Congress will do everything they can to assist you in this wise intention.”

George Washington

He says that Congress will help you learn about Jesus and Christianity, so where is the religious test or separation of church and state? Need to study more before you post.

“The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superceded by no power on earth.”

George Mason
Father of the Bill of Rights

This even counts lib/prog/secular/atheists! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you and your ilk out of the picture.

Like most sane people in the world, I have no idea what the HELL you’re talking about, but here’s the operative portion of the Constitution:

Article. VI.

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

You’ll notice the “no religious test” language in paragraph 3. As for the rest of your superstitious nonsense, why not file a lawsuit in Federal Court and try to have Obama declared an illegitimate President because he’s not your kind of Christian. It’d probably be the Judge’s best laugh of the week.

Jeff, the idea of a religious would be, for example, a person is elected and procedes to Washington. Before he/she could take office and swear in, he/she is sat down at a table with 3 other people across from them. One of them pulls out a Bible and begins asking questions about the scriptures and expects you to have the correct answer. Maybe they have you recite the 10 Commandments or do something else. These would be examples, though primitive examples, of a religious test. I see you did not look at the source I gave you. The person in question had to swear they were a Christian before being able to sit the bench. Sheesh! You just can’t understand anything truthful brough before you. All the quotes and my meaning behind them you also have failed to understand. They were to prove that not only do these people say our country is a Christian nation, but the institutions mentioned in them are also to be Christian, help with learning Christianity, or are to go by Christian/Biblical principles. If you can’t understand this by now, then you are not worth answering. But alas! You will still post your lies, rhetoric, and innuendos on this site. Though I agree with the wording of the Constitution you have posted, but you still have no knowledge of what a religious test is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

What you’re proposing is still a religious test. So we could never have a Jewish president unless he agreed to your interpretation of scripture? What an All-American idea. You could be our Samurai Pope, like John Belushi.

What I have cited before were just mere examples of tests, but the source I gave you is fact and there is no way you can prove it wrong. That is also a good thing about Christian beliefs is that they never go out of style. God, Jesus, and the Bible are the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Unlike you atheists which seem to constantly change like the wind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Sam, you’ve never told us. What was your drug of choice before Jesus?

Sorry Jeff, but users are losers, like yourself. Why don’t you tell us your drug of choice before becoming an atheist? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Surely even you are aware of the natural progression from alcohol to cocaine to heroin to methadone to Jesus. The one constant: addiction.

Well Jeff, here is an in class assignment written by one of my students. I gave them 25 minutes to write about what they thought about America. Here is what she had to say.

Here’s to you, America,
You’ve stood the test of time.
Although there were obstacles
And many hills to climb.
Here’s to you, America,
One nation under God!
You stayed the course and boldly walked
The path the pilgrims trod.
Here’s to you, America,
Old Glory waving high;
We pledge alligiance to you yet
For the brave still “Do or Die!”
And the Lady in the Harbor
Still stands at freedom’s door
And lifts her torch to light the way
For the masses evermore.
Here’s to you, America,
The battle rages on
For we are one nation under God
And no one stands alone.
Our Father’s faith abides in us
And God still lights the way.
Here’s to you, America…
God bless the U.S.A!

Her name is Tanisha Grimes. She is very smart and has the highest grades in my class. She also says that she wants to go to IU Bloomington and study religion and history. I told her that if she continues to believe the true history of this country, she’ll be a great teacher. Unlike you and your ilk Jeff that are trying to rewrite our history. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

It’s fine to have faith but presumably you’re teaching history and not religion? Is Tanisha aware of the real history of immigration and that Lady Liberty wasn’t always so welcoming to non-European immigrants? And is she aware that immigrants were not always welcomed with open arms? You give no indication of the age of your students. It’s one thing for little kids to believe in the virtual deification of the founding fathers; it’s another entirely in high school.

Do you also teach that Democrats are all traitors because they disagree with the Samurai? Is this a public school or a religious one?

That sounds like something from a 12 step program. N.A. perhaps? Switched the addiction from smack to Jesus? I definitely approve. Your addiction to Jesus won’t compel you to kill yourself or to break into my house, but it’s still an addiction. If you are incapable of thinking about anything without resorting to “Jesus talk,” you’re an addict.

Here is Jeffy again with his begative comments about this country, not a sign of patriotism. Though what you say could or could not be true, you should keep your negativity to yourself. The student in questio is a Junior at our school, it is a public school. I see you have forgotten about our God-given rights of speech and religion as are written in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. But alas! You and your ilk will use it to destroy this great country from the inside-out.
Just think, it took her 25 minutes to come up with this in class, I hate to see what she would have said if it were a homework assignment. I guess what Ronald Reagan said about you and your ilk when he said:

“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

You say that she has crapped on our founding fathers and their beliefs are no fit for today’s society? Care to cite a reliable source on this? Typical atheist rhetoric and lies. If this is true, then we should just throw away the Constitution and start over. FOR GOD AND CCOUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

I feel sorry for your students. They have a juvenile idiot for a teacher.

Typical response from you as you lack the mental capacity to understand the truth, so you attack. Classic 5th column strategy. Thank goodness your messiah will lose in about a week’s time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. Why don’t you ever talk to Robert Smith as you 2 sound alot alike in your hate for God, Jesus, Christianity, and the Bible.

If anyone should recognize a lie eddie, it’s you…that’s a fact that has been proven many times over.

The flip flopping you are referring to, is that like among many other things, How Obama flip flops on issues such as marriage. As a senator he was for gay marriage, then in his 08 Campaign he for traditional marriage to get votes, then this past May he flopped back to Gay marriage to get the Gay vote. Is that an example of the kind of flip flopping you are referring too?

Eddie….your definition of flip-flopping is wearing both sides of your underwear in two days. Remember, yellow in the front, brown in the back. Liberals need to be reminded.

nickkin, never heard that one before…mind if I borrow it?

Where’s the lie about Romney Jeff H.? Still peddling poop about me you hildabeast ! Republicans are the ones who perfected flip floppin about 12 years ago and now it is back firing on them. Romney is by far the King and Jeff you can still be the Queen!

Nickkin, d’oh! Now look who is talking about lies, but the one that has not credit on the board. Ha, ha, ha, ha! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Ahhhh, now we know who and what YOU are – just calling a spade a spade!

You might like, “Obama’s Hidden Past”, (Youtube)

Hooray, and well said!

Yes, no president before Obama ever took a vacation or stayed in a hotel nicer than you could afford. [comment has been edited].

Jeff, you are condemning yourself with your Racism.
So noone can condemn evil if it is being done by a black person because that is being racist?

“Having our leaders live like royalty while the rest of us live like peasants. ”

In what way, exactly, do the Obama’s live like royalty? How many vacations do you believe that Michelle has taken? Do you have proof of them? Or that her travels were vacations, and not on the business of being First Lady.

Dear tlgeer,

You write: “In what way, exactly, do the Obama’s live like royalty? How many vacations do you believe that Michelle has taken? Do you have proof of them?” You can start your journey here:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/26/michelle-obama-spain-vacation-cost-taxpayers-nearly-470g-watchdog-group-claims/
http://washingtonexaminer.com/michelles-ski-trip-marks-16-obama-vacations/article/294051#.UIb-j4bfh8E
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-vacation-taxpayer-cost/2012/07/19/id/445913
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/07/10891-top-4-most-wasteful-michelle-obama-vacations/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029615/Michelle-Obama-accused-spending-10m-public-money-vacations.html

Not that it matters to you.

Best wishes,
Bob

Hey Bob:

Are you jealous that the President takes better vacations than you do? Guess what? Your boy W didn’t exactly stay at the Motel 6. But then, he deserved it. Actually, I preferred it when he was on vacation, but for the amount we all paid for him to clear brush at the Moron Ranch, we could have employed half of Texas.

http://www.politicususa.com/cost-obama-christmas-vacation-bush.html

Dear Jeff,

You write: “Are you jealous that the President takes better vacations than you do?” What makes you think he does? The difference is I pay for mine and his.

You write: ” Your boy W didn’t exactly stay at the Motel 6.”First, Bush vacations is a non sequitur. My response was to tlgeer. Second, what have I ever written to make you think that Bush was my “boy?” You have been here long enough to know better.

Best wishes,
Bob

We’ll see if your tone changes if Romney wins.

“Not that it matters to you. Best wishes, Bob”

This is getting old, Bob. If it didn’t matter to me I wouldn’t be posting here.

Dear tlgeer,

You write: “If it didn’t matter to me I wouldn’t be posting here.” I’m pointing out that the lies of the imperial illegal White House usurper do not matter to you and you refuse to consider any evidence against him. You are trapped in the false left/right paradigm.

Best wishes,
Bob

“I’m pointing out that the lies of the imperial illegal White House usurper do not matter to you and you refuse to consider any evidence against him. You are trapped in the false left/right paradigm.”

No, I’m saying that just because you don’t like what valid documentation says, that it’s not valid.

EVERYTHING that has been produced has proven that Obama is a natural born citizen, including a ruling by the US Supreme Court that as long as a person is born on US soil they are natural born citizens. No matter what the citizenship of their parents are, unless they are the child of diplomats.

Obama’s birth certificate has been verified repeatedly by the State of Hawaii, including when the State of Arizona asked for verification through the national verification program.

For where he went to college, the colleges has lists of people who attend them every year. Obama is on the Occidental, Columbia and Harvard lists. When Obama was named Editor of the Harvard Law Review, it made national news. And the only name that he used at all of those places was Barack Obama. He did not use the name of his ex-step-father because he was not adopted.

If you want classes and grades, tough luck, you don’t have the right to them. Other than the State of Hawaii verifying his birth, you don’t have the right to his birth certificate until he is 75 years old. That is how long it takes for a vital record in Hawaii to become public.

A few days ago I gave you a website for a pdf file (70 pages) that lists every single lawsuit that is supposed to be about Obama. And what the court results were. For most of those rulings there was a link to see the actual court ruling. Did you go to them?

You tell me that I don’t care about this country because I do not agree with your opinions (which is all they are. they are not based on fact, only wishful thinking). You are the one who does not care about this country because you are letting your bigotry and stubbornness ignore proven facts, and they are getting in the way of your common sense.

Mr. Livingston, I’m sure you know this although you would never say it…but Forrest was right…”Stupid is as stupid does”!
Oh, one more thing…so was Ron White.

Oops, forgot the link…Official Ron White – You Can’t Fix Stupid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

It seems tlgeer and jeff need to get their facts straight before they post. This is off the subject of vacations, but here is what Obama bin Laden is doing to our Senior Citizens.

http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/dr-mark-g-neerhof/president-declares-war-seniors-obamacare-ploys-and-medicare-plans

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

What’s “cheating” about ACORN going to the election commission and reporting that it had employees who misbehaved? To me that’s the right thing to do.

But then it’s not the first time I’ve seen the right crucify someone for doing what’s proper.

Rob

Robert, they had no choice but to fess up with some truth to get the dogs called off of them. Better to sacrifice a few to save the rest. Collateral damage, Something you should be quite familiar with, we have seen it tons of times with this Administration throwing people under the bus to cover themself and get the populace to back off. Benjhazi incident – Hillary Clinton, Fast and Furious – people under Holder to name a few.

You are right Ariviste! Among those things, Obama’s union friends have also tried to penalize their employees if they don’t vote for Obama. (Proven fact, as union workers came out and said so).

Also, thousands of letters have been sent to Florida republican voters telling them they had to re-register in order to vote in the election. I worry that some of these people aren’t aware that this is a hoax, and won’t bother to go to the polls.

Eddie, ha, your comment tells me a ton about YOU. You accuse Romney “of talking over obummers head” and if that is the case then obummer certainly DOES NOT NEED TO RUN THIS COUNTRY. Romney was perfectly clear and succinct in his comments – I think what you concluded about Romney, includes you, too, he talked over YOUR head as well – anyone with common sense and understanding didn’t have any problem with Romney’s statements and declarations!

You are another of those clowns that can;t see the forest for the trees! His pronounciation of pakinstan clearly shows he is of that ilk and from that environment. If he was a true American he would talk like the rest but he isn’t – he was raised in that country, has that countries beliefs and if you think otherwise YOU are a fool! Fool!

Tag, I would say you would have a problem if I called you Tug, but in some parts of this country alone, that is how your name would come out. As far as that pronunciation of Pakistan having anything to do with the Muslims, only if they are native Pakistanis. Will say the time or two I heard it referred to, sounded more like Pack iss tan to me, which is generally the Western pronunciation.

Nope, Chester, I do not have a problem with anyone mispronouncing my name from Tag to Tug – I would more than likely laugh, but obummer’s using the correct accent is very telling and shows his roots, so to speak! It came very naturally to his lips and that alone says he is a product of that environment. Romney NOR the moderator used the proper pronunciation – they used the American one AND if obummer is product of THIS environment he would have used it, too! Wake up and smell the roses – its evidence like this that is small in appearance is very telling in reality!

Tag is only running his chops to stir up a non issue besides Obama was not raised in Pakistan. So enough of your baffling BS.

@eddie47d – of course it’s an issue – it shows what his true beliefs are and how they origiinated! If you think otherwise you can join Jeff as his second in command at being a fool! It’s little things like that, that are a slip of the tongue, that gives a person away and gets them ‘caught’. You nut cases would vote color anyway regardless of what that person is or what they believe. Try some investigative powers for a change, that is if you are capable of something other than just shooting your mouth off from the hip! Open mouth, insert foot!

Robert Smith and Chester, how far gone are you in desperation dither about O?

Ha! Kudo’s Nadzieja! Good comment and right on!

Since there are business owners who support Romney and have threatened their employees with layoffs and firing if they don’t vote for Romney I would say they are very unAmerican bosses. The Coors family tried that about 25 years ago here in Colorado and made it hard on workers who didn’t vote the Republican way. You had to keep your personal opinion to yourself or you were out the door. Even unions aren’t that bold or brash as Conservative have become in keeping the thumb down on workers.

Eddie points out: “as Conservative have become in keeping the thumb down on workers.”

I think health care is part of that thumb. If one has to have a job to get health care it gives the employer a more means to control employees.

If one doesn’t have a job, no health care. It works to depress wages.

A strong case can be made that is why business doesn’t want universal health care. They just won’t have the same kind of control as they are used to.

Rob

smith and eddie, say give now, I think you’ll be real good at it ” I have no spine, just mush”

Robert Smith – it’s Worcester, MA.

Jeff, you are just plain ignorant! How do I know? You opened your mouth, thats how!

Jeffie baby, YOU are the racist – just look at this comment – what does anything have to do with race? DUH! However, you blacks make a mountain out of nothing, not even a mole hill! You blacks have overused that accusation and allegation too much and now no one cares – if you don’t like what I say then ‘just pass on by’ good buddy! What a joke! You are truly laughable!

You are the comical one Tag and you keep falling deeper into the rabbit hole. Say hi to Alice!

I haven’t called you a Moron yet Tag but that time is coming. You are more in line with Ron White.

Eddie, you wanna call me a moron? Go for it if it makes you feel like a big man – just like Jeff – two peas in a pod! [comment has been edited]

And I say envelope as on-velope, whereas the majority of the US pronounces it as n-velope.

There is no hidden meaning behind the way someone pronounces a word. The belief that there is does not make any sense.

I used to live in Los Gatos, CA. I pronounce the town’s name in the way the hispanics do.

I pronounce Scotland with an accept. I have no idea why.

My Dad always pronounced Library as libery.

If you want to pick on something at least pick on something valid, instead of something made up in your mind.

Tigeer:

Tag (Romney?) and his ilk are something else. They see sinister forces as soon as someone is able to pronounce a foreign name correctly. Do they know Romney speaks French fluently? If he were a Democrat, that would be enough to disqualify him in their “minds.” They notice Obama’s accent and cadence changing when he speaks to a Black audience, but they don’t notice Romney changing the substance of what he says depending on the audience. To morons like Tag, Obama is different from him (Thank God!) and therefore not qualified to be President. After all, Tag is a “real American” and if you disagree with him, you must not be. For Tag, it’s actually true that everything he needs to know he learned in Kindergarten.

Jeff:
You will wake up, maybe not, and realize what a danged fool you’ve been but we already know that about you – you just have to learn it for yourself!

I see that during the debate last night, the candidates discussed the size of the Navy during WWI. I assume you have some knowledge about that. I don’t, but I was old enough during Viet Nam to know what was going on. Your man Romney protested FOR that war even though he knew he had monetary, educational, and religious deferments that would keep him rich, pampered, and safe. Romney has never seen a military action he didn’t wholeheartedly support, but no one in his family has ever even considered serving. He is the very definition of the term “chickenhawk.” Webster’s latest edition has just been updated with Romney’s photo right next to Cheney’s.

Romney’s business career has been nothing but the judicious use of debt to subjugate companies while he walked off with most of the assets, sometimes including the workers’ pensions. Just want you to know the guy you’re voting for is not exactly Henry Ford or Steve Jobs. He created nothing but debt and unemployment. He practically invented the concept of outsourcing to China. Take a look at Freeport, Illinois if you want to see what Romney’s America will look like.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/on-mitt-romney-bain-capital-and-private-equity-20120829

Jeff, gotcha! WWI ENDED IN 1918 – Romney wasn’t even born yet! Goes to show that even those that see themselves as very intelligent folks are really just a bonifide screw-up!
Toodle off, kiddo!

Did I say Romney was alive during WWI? He was born in 1947. I was implying that perhaps YOU were around during that war.

HA! you ARE like obummer! You both lie to cover up your goofs! Nah, loser,go back and read what you wrote! Heh,heh,heh, I love it when someone falls over the own face! Just like the fool you are, along with obummer and et al!

I see that during the debate last night, the candidates discussed the size of the Navy during WWI. I assume you have some knowledge about that. I don’t, but I was old enough during Viet Nam to know what was going on. Your man Romney protested FOR that war even though he knew he had monetary, educational, and religious deferments that would keep him rich, pampered, and safe. Romney has never seen a military action he didn’t wholeheartedly support, but no one in his family has ever even considered serving. He is the very definition of the term “chickenhawk.” Webster’s latest edition has just been updated with Romney’s photo right next to Cheney’s.

Romney’s business career has been nothing but the judicious use of debt to subjugate companies while he walked off with most of the assets, sometimes including the workers’ pensions. Just want you to know the guy you’re voting for is not exactly Henry Ford or Steve Jobs. He created nothing but debt and unemployment. He practically invented the concept of outsourcing to China. Take a look at Freeport, Illinois if you want to see what Romney’s America will look like.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/on-mitt-romney-bain-capital-and-private-equity-20120829

Tag says:
October 23, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Jeff, gotcha! WWI ENDED IN 1918 – Romney wasn’t even born yet! Goes to show that even those that see themselves as very intelligent folks are really just a bonifide screw-up!
Toodle off, kiddo!

OK Tag:

Here’s my post and yours. Where did I imply Romney was around during WWI? You can chuckle to yourself in the Old Folks Home. I don’t suppose you read the article I posted because it’s written in literate English.

Oh, my God, I just made a type and odumbo Jeff will have a cat fit over it!! I used the word “the” instead of ‘their’…Oh woe is me!

Oh, I see. You thought I said Romney protested for WWI. No, as I thought my post made abundantly clear, he protested FOR the Viet Nam War while a freshman in college. What kind of [comment has been edited] protested FOR the war in the 60s? And if he thought it was such a great cause, why did he use all his resources to avoid service?

And, Jeff, you know that how about Romney allegedly avoiding serving his country? You were there? Maybe he couldn’t use the excuse YOU used – age. Maybe its just more bull like the bull spouted about slavery,too. Lordy, slavery and racism! Can’t you people think up something new?

You really should have your granddaughter monitor your computer use. You’re making a fool of yourself.

Jeff, you made an accusation and allegation against Romney and when you are challenged you then start with the smart mouth and sarcastic comments. Is that how you handle problems? Pretty juvenile if you ask me. BTW, I don’t need to worry about making a fool of myself – YOU have done that enuf for both of us! Everyone on here knows that!

I thought your post about Romney was too inane to respond to, but I will. Was I there? No, I was not with the Romneys when they discussed young Mitt’s draft deferments. But I saw the pictures of him demonstrating in favor of the war in the mid 60s. Not too many college students did that. And I know he had deferments including one that only Mormons got to go on Church missions.

IF Romney voted, as a college student, in favor of that war then he is NO different then the college students that voted this LOSER into office! So,its OK if the college student does something YOU approve of, like vote for obummer, but as we both know, college students are not dry behind the ears and don’t make very good decisions because they lack the experience needed to see truth from fiction – like in your comments and defense attempts. So, if you condem Romney when in college then you condem the other college students the same way. Proof they don’t have the intelligence of a cow!
You can’t have it both ways!

In the 60s and early 70s, the vast majority of college students had it right about Viet Nam while those with all the experience were DEAD WRONG. Romney was a college student without sufficient balls to stand up to his father, who was for the war until 1967, or the Mormon establishment. He has never shown any moral courage at all.

In The Fog of War, McNamara essentially says “who knew?” concerning the fact the Viet Namese thought they were fighting a colonial civil war and were not stand-ins for the Russians. All those college students knew it, that’s who. The ones yelling at the White House every day: “Hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today?”

And it wasn’t just our soldiers who died there and the millions more who came back to ruined lives. Millions of Viet Namese and Cambodians died as well because our “experienced” policy makers had no idea what they were doing and only wanted to save face for the voting public.

Jeff, your rhetoric in this blog is describing exactly what obummer is currently doing! How can you miss that when it is so blatantly clear? You see what you wANT to see is how.

Tag:

I know you’re used to talking to your war buddies in a kind of shorthand where you don’t need to say anything, but in a more public sphere, it really helps to say what you mean. I’ve seen what you think of Black people in general and you’re a Confederate at heart. What is Obama doing that I am describing with my rhetoric? The post you’re responding to dealt with Romney and his pro-war activities as a young man.

Jeff, I realize you have a comprehension problem and believe me, I do try to take that into consideration when posting to you, however, there IS a limit to just how simply a comment can be made. Now, I’ve used language that any 9 year old could understand so I’m confused, since you declare yourself practically a Rhodes Scholar, as to why you cannot associate what I’ve said in response to your post. It goes like this: you were criticizing Romney with all kinds of complaints, remember, YET obummer is currently doing the very same things you accuse Romney of! Get it? Wake up and smell the roses and realize the guy you champion does NOT walk on water!

It’s not how simply something is said. Rather, iit’s what is said. I see no specifics of any kind in your posts. Other than scaring the bigots like you, what is it that Obama is doing that you find so horrible?

@tigeer, unfortunately, you don’t have the capability to assimiliate the information you are either given or have read – if you had a brain you would be considered dangerous! It’s nut cases like you that put this great pretender in office. He learned that pronounciation because that is where he was educated – obviously something YOU missed! DUH! Ah, lets see, you were one of the idiots that voted on this loser in the first place, right? So, you, along with the others, are the ones responsible for this country being in the fix it currently finds itself? YOU are responsible for the loss of jobs and people being foreclosed on and losing their homes!!! Way ta go – bet yo mammy is real proud of you!

And I take it you voted for that great President W? If anyone but a right wing moron compares their records, he must conclude Obama’s record easily eclipses W’s. I thought W was the worst president in U.S. history but I never compared him to Hitler as folks on this blog regularly do with Obama. So, look at your own allies if you’re looking for certifiable nutjobs.

You, baby Jeff, do not have the pleasure of knowing for whom I voted then, before then, or before that – nor will you ever! BTW, did the teacher tell you that YOU FLUNKED YOUR TEST IN MIND READING? dUH!

accent not accept.

@R. G. – you ae so correct. “There are none so blind as those that refuse to see” I’ve seen him change and ‘become black’ when speaking with a black group, just like Oprah Winfrey did – they act ‘white’ when around a majority of whites but act ‘black’ when around blacks – its a ‘subtle way of saying I’m still one of YOU! [comment has been edited] They won’t see he cares nothing about them – only what they can do FOR him – THEIR VOTE. [comment has been edited] Obummer is an egotistical, ego-maniac, that thinks he walks on water – NOT! I didn’t vote for him before because he is as transparent as plastic wrap, and as phony as a $4.00 bill. [comment has been edited] You cannot build YOUR self esteem through another persons successes – your self esteem comes from YOUR successes.His being successful does nothing for you and if you think it does then you better go into counceling ASAP. I noticed the change in behavior when obummer was elected by black people. Their behavior changed and NOT for the better, so any negative attitude that existed before a black president was increased 10 fold and now your reputation is less than it was before – THAT IS NOT SUCCESS AND SELF ESTEEM – THAT JUST MAKES YOU YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY!

Yes he is a duly elected President of the United States. No different than Ronald Reagan who had plenty of warts himself. You tried to diminish Obama by leveling false rumors about him at every turn. Saying he wasn’t born in Hawaii as an example. Saying he was born in Indonesia and then Kenya. You couldn’t get your stories straight so you accepted them all as fact instead of the fiction it was. We have a candidate in Colorado (Coffman) who says Obama is not an American. He use to be very popular ,had mostly common sense and always won by a landslide. This year the race is close and his right wing polices are being exposed. Republican negative policies could very easily backfire on them so be careful about what you assume.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/3CmkbShVqNA?feature=player_embedded%C2%A0;
http://www.youtube.com/embed/gy6odnqyLeU?feature=player_embedded

That’s all you need to know about Obummer.

eddie,

“Colorado (Coffman) who says Obama is not an American”

Which means that my nieces husband will probably vote for him. Even speaking about Obama with him is impossible. He brings out all of these rumors and gossip as facts, and when I point out what the actual facts are (I have been a researcher for over 25 years. I know about documenting your sources and evaluating those sources) he gives me the inane argument (?) that I’m drinking Obama’s kool-aid and I’m out to destroy my own country.

After I have, calmly, and methodically, shown that his beliefs are false, and there is documentation proving it, he says that it is doctored and doesn’t mean anything.

If documented facts don’t mean anything, what does?

I am really looking forward to this election being over. I’m hoping that this hysteria about both candidates eases.

BTW, while I did not vote for Romney, if he is elected President, he will be President. Just as Obama is President now. I didn’t like Bush but he was President, too. I do not disown the people that the majority of voters have put into office. If I don’t like them, I work harder 4 years later to put one that I do like into office, legally.

You, tigeer,corrected another person for their alleged use of a word – grammar – so, GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND LEARN SOME PUNCTUATION! You don’t put comma’s where you put them…duh! Toots!

tag, so are you saying that the only thing you disagree about with my post is my punctuation?

That’s nice to know.

Yep,you nailed someone about their grammar so I thought I’d play devils advocate and let you know that every one messes up – except Jeff (ha) of course! Sometimes our brains get in front of our fingers, so to speak, and we goof up! But, for the most, part it usually makes some sense. Have a good one!

No, Tag, I asked them to repost because I couldn’t understand why they were saying.

You have no idea who I am. You have no idea of what my mental capacity is. I do know that what you do to people who disagree with you is belittle them like elementary school children do. You might want to stop that. It does look good.

I think Tag is going through his second (maybe third) childhood and loves to take on the whippersnappers (anyone under 70).

No, tigeer, you took a post meant for another as meant for you – that post was directed at Jeff – our brilliant conversationlist!