tl – I have known Masons, too. You are right, they don’t believe this way.

However, they don’t know what they really stand for until they reach the 33rd degree. Then they learn that they worship Lucifer and are taught the “mysteries” concealed from the lower ranks.

They were kept purposely divided in order to hide the truth from the public. The lower levels are respected as benevolent groups, and even speak of “God”.

“However, they don’t know what they really stand for until they reach the 33rd degree. Then they learn that they worship Lucifer and are taught the “mysteries” concealed from the lower ranks. ”

This is pure and utter BS.

My Grandfather was a Mason and was 33rd Degree Scottish Rite. He never worshiped, and never would worship, Lucifer. I don’t know who you’ve know that has told you this but it is a lie.

tl – How would you know? They are sworn to secrecy, under penalty of violent death.

In time it will be proven much to late for America

Actually, Baphomet was depicted in early Egyptian and Judaic mysticism. He represents the god of illusion and manifestation. It is through him that humanity is kept enslaved by its own thinking.

tlgeer – Your knowledge of these things is very limited. It is apparent that you have not researched any of these things, yet you speak like you are some kind of expert.

It is a sad fact that the majority of people consider that what they have always believed is how things are, and any new revelations are rejected without further investigation. This has enabled evil and secretive people to perpetrate monstrous deceptions on societies, to the point where we are now completely under their control.

You are one who’s eyes have yet to be opened. I understand that stepping beyond the safe world of illusion thinking is more comfortable than facing the truth, but only truth can set us free.

TLGeer, Perhaps you are more knowledgeable about the Free Masons, however, Steve has a valid point. Obama is a puppet (as were the Bushes, and Clinton and back even further) controlled by big banking interests. They stand to increase their control of the world by implementing a “one world order”. And to do so, they must destroy our economic system. Please take a moment and check out this web site: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/
I heard a rather scary presentation from a liberal democrat who is a member of this organization. This is something that both liberals, and conservatives must be made aware of, or we will all be slaves and our political opinions will mean absolutely nothing.

Who was it that you heard speak? I agree that, if this is happening, that we need to pay attention to it. But, and this is a big but, it is nothing more than rumor and fear talking then we need to stop it where it stands. There is too much that is real that is going on that we need to stop the unfounded rumors.

instead of people checking facts they just call it unfounded. Granted the bought and paid for mass media will not report it so I guess that makes it unfounded.

“instead of people checking facts they just call it unfounded. Granted the bought and paid for mass media will not report it so I guess that makes it unfounded.”

I repeat, who did you hear speak? I would like to look this up.

do your own research as you would still not believe what someone else told you. That is your problem you want to run your yapper before you check into any validity. Typical democrat. Distort when you have no facts to back you up.
If you really did research what is going on in this country you would probably be scared to tears.

YOU brought up the fact that you heard a Democrat speak of things that scared you. YOU did not tell me, or anyone else, when that was, or who was speaking. So, how can I look something up when you have given me no criteria to search for?

your party should be so proud of you! You fit their intelligence perfectly.
You have a very hard problem with comprehending what you read.

Back in 2008 when Obama and Clinton were still fighting for the nomination Obama and Clinton were invited,wink wink, to a meeting with the Bilderberg society. Seems Clinton backed off to Obama there after. I told everyone at work Obama would be next president and would bet anyone $100 that would be the case. Only one took the bet. Cha Ching.

Thank you. I will look this up.

TLGeer, sorry I did not respond to your request sooner, was away from my computer. The woman’s name is Rosa Koire. She speaks at both liberal and conservative rallies. She doesn’t need to convince most conservatives, we are already against agenda 21 for the most part. We don’t want the united nations telling us how to manage our environment, or guns, or taxes.
Another thing that I think both liberals and conservative can agree on is the Fair Tax initiative. The tax money is there for the governments needs (and waste in my opinion), but it does away with the IRS, and taxes people on what they spend, rather than what they earn. Those who have more money, spend more, and would pay more. No more loop holes or tax shelters. Check it out and spread the word if you agree:
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer

Yes, Rosa Koire. Another patriot.

She is a real estate appraiser in the San Francisco Bay Area, dealing with commercial properties. In the course of her work, she began to notice that something was very wrong with the direction CA laws were going, and she began to research it. She discovered UN Agenda 21, a plan for the complete enslavement of the world, population reduction and the end of private property ownership. This plan is already far along in implementation around the world, including the US. It is really moving ahead in my town, and it’s very disturbing.

The installation of smart meters is part of it. Next month, our utility rates are set to skyrocket, as Obama promised (he is a huge proponent of Agenda 21, as is Romney). These meters record our power usage minute by minute, and will begin to control it, as well.

This is probably the biggest threat to our freedom right now. Private ownership of homes is being phased out, and we are to be placed in egg-crate housing (150 – 300 sq ft cubicles) in densely populated cities. We are to have no access to land, food, water, power or anything else we need to sustain ourselves, but will be strictly controlled by the government.

This is not a partisan issue. This is a human issue. There is also a very large and growing movement against this, but the hard part is getting people to even hear of it.

Other names: smart growth, sustainable development, etc. Nice names for a very diabolical plan which has been in the works for decades.

Thank you.

Have you actually READ Agenda 21?

Here is the link:
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

tl – You bet I have. I’ve been watching this for a long time.

If you only read the pro-sustainale growth sites, government sites, it all sounds quite wonderful. However, it’s the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing. It’s all about total control of US. No rights, no property, no nothing.

I highly suggest you read some other sites which tell what’s really going on. This is one of the greatest evils of our time.

I will die before I live in a small high-rise cubicle. I need the land, space. Privacy. Quiet and nature. These things will be off-limits to the common man.

Here is an interview with Lord Monkton on Agenda 21. There are many article you can find online.

http://dprogram.net/2012/05/24/agenda-21%e2%80%b2s-globalist-death-plan-for-humanity/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

http://www.freedomadvocates.org/

http://nwri.org/2012/09/rosa-koire-presents-a-comprehensive-report-on-agenda-21/

Since Satan is considered the most brilliant,beautiful, intelligent, cunning, Liar and Murderer,etc., creature that was ever created, what makes you assume that your family could not be deluded?
Parrying and Parsing is not your strong suit.

Tigeer of course Obama is a Member of the Bilderberg group , heres his mentor speaking about Obama’s Opportunity to Bring about a New World Order … And Kissinger has been to all of Obamas state dinners since he took office so you know they have all kinds of advice being passed back and forth . Plus look at all the CZARS Obama has appointed , they are all students of Kissingers NSSM200 study .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8

TLGeer, Rosa described agenda 21 as “an apple with a razor blade in it”. It looks great on the outside, but hides a serious danger.

“I have read so many books about Obama, written by different authors and all coming to the same conclusion”

Have you read any books that are in favor of Obama? Any at all?

tigeer, didn’t O write books in favor of himself? So what is your point.

your not getting the point is the point!

They are real and you need to wake up. Just ask the Rothchilds and others across Europe and the U.S.A. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

SAM1966 does come across as being crazier than a hoot owl but he doe have a point when it comes to the Rothchilds.

Hey Ron, if you think I’m crazy, then watch this:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/watch-iran-they-believe-war-is-near-expert-warns/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a country.

How many handles do you use???

I only go by samurai. When I go to post a response, the gravitar site had me add numbers to my handle. Why? Who knows! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Obviously, you didn’t listen to the show.

Pete Santilli is picking up where Bill Cooper left off.

You are correct, I did not listen to the show (I have hearing problems), I read the article. And I have no idea who Bill Cooper is/was. I have discovered, quite often, that I have a different “take” on a subject because I read the words actually said rather than listen, or watch, someone talking.

tlgeer – Just as I suspected. You really have no idea about what’s is, and long has been, going on in America. You are still a babe in the woods.

More duck and cover Kate? Pay attention it was mostly wrong or don’t you simply get that? If Santelli goes along with someone who isn’t honest with the facts then he is also dishonest.

btw, tl, reading the intro doesn’t tell all of the facts. None of it is heresay. These are the people who were there, involved, first hand.

This young man was one of the Columbine shooting victims, and his survival was a miracle. He tried to report things he saw, and was threatened by the authorities to keep silent. He wrote a small book to try to get the truth out, but was wrongfully detained on a mental detention using false charges in order to keep him silent.

He’s been taken to a hospital and has been held there, drugged with the most damaging psychiatric drugs, for many years now. His life has been stolen from him, just because he was a victim and a witness to something the government set up and covered up. His mother has spent the last several years of her life seeking help for her son who is wrongfully being destroyed, and has lost everything. Until now, no one would hear her, nor did anyone care about her son. Every “representative” she’s contacted for help, including the likes of Tom Tancredo of CO, the governor of CO…has sidestepped her pleas. Local law enforcement is also complicit.

This is yet another American tragedy, which is being repeated over and over. And until we, the American people, begin to care enough about one another to at least hear the truth, these monsters will continue to do this to us and our children.

My family is not untouched by things like this. I know how devastating it is to be so alone, with no one to even hear you. It is a giant insult to a terrible injury.

As long as most people think like you, people will continue to suffer and be silenced.

Kate8, as you can see eddie’s comments show up a day + later than when he makes them on the weekend or later in the day. That’s the beauty of him being under house moderation…we don’t have to read his ignorant gobble-d-gook right away.

Unless you were there, eddie, I have no reason to listen to your heresay. I suppose you believe everything you hear and read…that is, if it suits your bias. We all know that news reports are notoriously full of error.

Sorry, but I’ll listen to those who were actually there. Just as with the other shootings that have occurred in various places, there is far more than meets the eye.

Mark spoke of seeing snipers on the roof before the shootings happened. He was not hurt at that time. He would have no reason to lie and, unless it were true, the feds wouldn’t have been so worried about shutting him up.

Same thing happened in the recent Aurora shooting, where the nurse who tended the victims met with an untimely death. What had she heard that they didn’t want getting out?

Callous killing of innocents for the purpose of advancing a terrible agenda is becoming commonplace. Not only do they plot and kill people, including children, but they destroy and/or kill more in the cover-up.

You just don’t like Pete because he tells it like it is. No holds barred. He doesn’t care who he offends. And, for your information, he just cancelled syndication of his show because they wanted to exercise censors on him, and he refused to compromise his integrity. He lost a lot of money and access to a wider audience, but chose to take the high ground and trust the truth to win out.

More and more people are reporting on the criminality of the elite. Sorry if that shatters your faith in them. Wait…you just choose not to believe it. You aren’t man enough to face reality.

Now, just run along, kid. Ya bother me.

Nadzieja you are right !! Different Ideas about Population control which Obama favors because Look at his CZARS , I don’t want my Government Thinking this way and imposing their Ideological policies on our nation when its not our nation that has the problems of unsustainable population growth !!!!!!

If you really believed that Nadzieja you also would have made mince meat out of The Big Easy’s Comments who where far more vitriolic and nasty. In other words don’t be such a biased hypocrite. Then Tony comes along and doesn’t admit how many times Republicans take away civil liberties or even denies what None Of Your Business says! So much duck and cover from Republicans you’d think an air raid was going on. Now Tony if you don’t want population control then support birth control and give all women the ability to make their own choices.

Eddie47d you just admitted that your Party is all about Population control and then what you gave us was a Either or choice … sounds just like the words that always are coming out of OBAMA and his Minions , either you do what I say or we Do what we Say !!!!!!!! And Hey Why Should Taxpayers have to Pay for peoples Birth Control ??? Why Then don’t we have subsidies for Ammunition then for our 2nd amendment rights ????

It gets worse.

http://survivingglobalrecession.com/homeland-security-graduates-first-corps-of-homeland-youth-the-new-hitler-youth/

We’re being set up, one step at a time.

Can anyone guess who most of these kids are? Black youth, who’ve been filled with rage and hate toward white America?

Get a grip Kate 8 enough of your one sided propaganda. Black youth have been disenfranchised a very long time before homeland security. You want to go back to the 1600′s or under the Democrat Party or the Republican Party? Your choice! You love to throw out opinionated stories without any solutions to that drivel.

@Kate8 Yep. Combining your article with obamas desire for a “civilian” force does make you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak

Now as to “standing army” we already have those in several forms. This is just another federal one.

Our forefathers had a different plan. WE are to be the army. That is what the militia is that is mentioned in the 2nd amendment. What is most amusing to me with gun-grabber logic is their insistance that gun ownership is only for the militia yet they want to take guns away from the very people who ARE that militia. (10 USC section 311)

Kate8 & vicki…The Oath Keepers!

Oath Keepers’ “Col. Kevin Benson – The Tea Party is not the enemy – Soldiers Honor your oaths – Defend the Constitution” billboard IS NOW UP right outside the main gate to Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas.

This is the first of many such billboards Oath Keepers will put up outside of military bases all over America.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/10/12/ft-leavenworth-billboard-is-up/

JeffH – Last weekend an officer from the local police dept came by delivering a survey. I guess it had to do with the upcoming local elections.

Anyway, I was sitting on the patio, and invited him to talk. I asked if he was an Oath Keeper, and he hadn’t heard of them, so I filled him in. I asked him if they understood that their oath is to protect our Constitution and the people, and that includes not enforcing unConstitutional Laws. I asked him if they’d come around to enforce things like trashing veggie gardens and other bad legislation, and if he understood that our government is federalizing law enforcement on all levels.

He did understand that they take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution but, being young, hadn’t considered that the government has gone amok. Hopefully, he’ll give it some thought now.

Most things hadn’t registered with him as yet, and I do believe I gave him food for thought. He was really receptive, and told me that another person had been in the station asking similar questions. I had been reluctant to go down there because I feared being labeled a crackpot. There are still law enforcers who don’t get what’s going on.

What I forgot to ask him was the most important thing, though: will they confiscate firearms if ordered. But now that I know that they can be approached, I’ll be doing that soon.

Good job Kate8, good job. I’d bet that you gave him something to think about and hopefully look in to. I get to occassionaly interact with a couple of sheriff’s when I shoot skeet on the week-ends but we haven’t had any deep political or civil liberty discussions so it’s a little difficult to read them, The rest of the guys and gals that shoot regularly…we’re all pretty much on the same page but I’ve been able to bring a lot more into our discussions because of what I’ve learned here and through research. Opens some eyes.

Without approval, a black coucilwoman on the Harrisburg, PA, City Council ordered the city utilities dept. to bulldoze an inner city community garden…for no rational, legitimate reason. It was full of fresh vegetables. Now I know why…it’s a dry run on a Federal order to destroy all independant food supplies.
Boy were the residents mad to find their garden destroyed overnight, and it made the local news.

JeffH – You should go ahead and talk to them. The sheriff’s are supposed to be there to protect the citizenry….even from the government. That is why this administration is trying to eliminate the sheriff’s departments.

Ask them questions about how they might respond to orders against the people. They need to be aware that we are aware, and they need to be thinking about these things ahead of time so they know how to respond. If they have to decide on the fly, they’ll probably go with the orders.

Carol, you are right about that. I do not even recognize this Democratic party. They have gone so far off the cliff with wackoness (new word), that they do not even resemble what they once were. They really need to change the party name to The Socialist, No Morals, No Constitution Party. These Barack Hussein Obama supporters will sell their freedom for a little free stuff and a free birth control pill. Only problem is, the money is gone. they already sucked it dry. They actually believe that the government has unending money to give them.

Rick I agree the DEMs Party has no business in policy making control when they are opposing to their own rule of Democratic Process of Acceptance , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxrc99S09wI

Does this LOOK LIKE A Body of Policy makers that Represents acceptance of ALL PEOPLES Rights to Liberty and Justice under the US Constitution ?? And Should these People be Voting if they are NOT INFORMED ???
Democrats Reject God at D.N.C. Convention 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ha9o24Pfw

And Should these People be Voting if they are NOT INFORMED ???
Stupid Obama Voters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgfA2b9YSag&feature=related

Someone must have took away Carol’s lollipop for she sure is a sucker for trash talk. You better check out the woman in the mirror and reevaluate your own mental disorder! Just for a little fun has the RepubliRats Party been taken over by the Koch twins or the Adelsons? Will you dress up as Mussolini for Halloween to honor your Fascist hero? Do you slip a pinch of Republican rat poison into your Kool Aid for a nite cap? Do you spank the Republicans when they lie or are you only selective in which buttocks is blowing hot air? Is Republican crap better tasting when a cherry is put on top? ….Just curious!

Sorry Rick we must have posted about the same time and I didn’t mean to leave you out. I don’t recognize the Eisenhower Republicans anymore either?

Little person joey, thinks he’s something special and has the highest opinion of himself and WE THE PEOPLE are soooo fortunately to have someone like him looking out for us. Put a little harry reid mask on him and nobody would know the difference. They both have a continuous diahrea explosion from their pie-holes. Get these frauds and narcissists out now!

Talk about evil and deception ed-duh, how about Obama bin Laden’s people helping voters to vote twice? Is this the kind of mentality you want in the White House?

http://www.dailycaller.com/2012/10/10/new-okeefe-video-obama-campaign-staffer-caught-helping-activist-vote-twice/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Well, we’re not asking you!

The Conserv-o-trons are following like good little robots.

JON,
I don’t recall anyone pulling your string, you slothy brainless libtard, so go take your sorry a$$ to the brainless liberal forum!

You know just yesterday I was thinking the same thing. That is why they can have no morals. They can always blame the other guy.

Paul, when you opened your yap, you pulled a BUNCH of strings, and not always the ones you hoped to yank. Would say you are a good Tea Party soul who only knows you don’t want Obama to have a second term, regardless of what you do to the country while trying to accomplish that desire.

Chester, when you opened your yap, you removed all doubt…that you are a complete, total friggin’ idiot! Go put your halfrican back in office, and watch the country fail! Sad little man, you are.

@-jon——-COMRADE——Not like your flea-infested flea-bagger occupier food-stamp comrades that ‘have a thrill running up their legs’ every time they see their empty ‘chairman’ mo-bummmer that has the new term ‘mo-bummmer lied,and the Ambassador was murdered’,along with three Brave Patriotic AMERICAN WARRIORS.So you ZOMBIE PUKE,go back to one of your many FLEA-BAGGER FOOD-STAMP LEFT WING LILLY-PINK PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL sites,for the hallow-cranium empty-chair crowd and spout all that DIAPER-DRIBBLE to them.————-What a puke———————-

Good grief Big Sleazy are you that ignorant of facts so you throw out blow jobs to impress the rest of the howling crowd? To use your scenario then I will gladly label Reagan as a traitorous coward who allowed 230 Brave and Patriotic Marines to be slaughtered in Lebanon and then ran with his tail between his legs because he was so ill prepared. If what Big Sleazy says is true and acceptable to Conservatives then back at you fool.

So JON and Chester are the bravest predators the Leftists could send out this morning. They are “so brave” to come on a forum and snarl and growl at the Conservatives and/or Libertarians and or Tea Party People.

And you, Big Easy, really sound so intelligent! The way you write, you are no better than who you are responding to.

You are so right on, Paul……… AS MICHAEL SAVAGE SAYS “LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER”. And it really hurts as my only child my son is a Liberal along with his wife. It really saddens me BUT we don’t discuss it as it would only mean trouble for me with my 2 Granddaughters. One still has Obama’s photo on her bedroom door…..How sickening!
WHEN WILL THEY WAKE UP???? My family way back have all been Dems BUT it is a whole new thing today not the same. Thank God I have 1 cousin in Missouri who switched years ago and I can talk with him. He keeps saying, Donna…..its definitely NOT the same as it was when our parents were Democrats.
Have a Great Weekend AND MAY WE SAVE THIS GREAT COUNTRY FROM THIS NIGHTMARE THAT WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR 4 YEARS. GOD HELP US IF WE CAN’T GET HIM OUT AND GO FORWARD AND REBUILD ON OUR CONSTITUTION THAT THEY KEEP CHIPPING AWAY AT.

Very well put, Paul. I have liberal family members, it’s always a challenge to try and show them facts. They are so closed minded that even proof isn’t proof. “It MUST be someone else’s fault, it can’t be mine”. This attitude is incredibly selfish, and self destructive. And look what it’s done to our country.

Donna and Mikey, Obama is small potatoes compared to the wrecking crew in the last administration. Is Republicanism a mental disorder or won’t Michael Savage tell you that? Yes look what they did to our country!

Lies Lies Lies , Obama has wrote way more executives Orders working around Congress like a Spoiled Little Brat who can’t get his way so he sticks his Bottom lip out and says I get what I want !!!

Obama acts like a Spoiled Rotten Brat !!! All Democrats act this way seems like , so you can see who’s the Biggest Beneficiary of the USA cookie jar of Entitlements , these people have no clue what it takes to maintian a set of Freedoms and Liberties because they EXPECT IT !!!!!

Paul Wells says:
October 13, 2012 at 9:06 am
JON,
I don’t recall anyone pulling your string, you slothy brainless libtard, so go take your sorry a$$ to the brainless liberal forum!
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Paul you should probably post a link for him. With an IQ somewhere in the vicinity of a house plant, he’ll need some help.

JC – Great way to win friends and influence people!

Spoken by one who, obviously, has that one down.

I see that Jon knows nothing of the prentender being buddies with know terrorst groups.

http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2012/10/obama-administration-first-to-fund-organization-tied-to-cop-killing-terrorist-group/

Since we all know that Jon’s ability to comprehend what he reads is low, but this is a three page report full of factual information, so I doubt he’ll comprehend. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Sir, please tell us what La La land universe you reside in.

JON, go find yourself some SELF-RESPECT. Your support of this regimes behavior clearly indicates you cannot think for yourself. I know, I’m probably to blame for your situation. Go find a set and stand up for yourself.

Notice how these leftist shills all sound the same. JON, or whichever name he’s worn his welcome out on before, simply parrots the same old, tired, infanitle, meaningless and blind Obama worship we see here every day.

We know you are a paind shill, JON. Or smiley. You, too, Ted. Or maybe you are one and the same. All borg, in any case.

You are just like every other liberal crazier than a syphilitic suicide bomber with mad-cow disease

Just a thought, Jon, as to O’s mindset. Did anybody notice that since the scotus is hearing more citizen cases, that the whitehouse issued a note from O that his mother was single when he was born? Your hero is a complete fraud who says whatever he thinks the koolaid drinkers will swallow.

Kate8, They ain’t worth the time. All are “POLLY’s”. baaarrraaaccckkkk!

Hey JeffH! Geeze… the progs are out in force today.

Of course they aren’t worth it. Sometimes we just get sucked in against our better judgment, huh?

I never cease to be amazed at how many people are so out of touch.

JON says:
October 13, 2012 at 8:55 am
I didn’t know you were running the country. It doesn’t make you less an idiot if you’re not.
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That was incredibly witty…you must be looking forward to getting your driver’s license someday.

Kate 8, Jeff H., and Jc, all of you well said. I guess Jon has forgotten this about Obama bin Laden:

“For a Muslim to keep his word to an Infidel at the expense of opportunities to expand Islamic power is the Islamic equivilent of a mortal sin.”

Benjamin Franklin

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 선 한 싸움 동료 애국 자 올려! 하나님과 국가!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Since sliced bread? I don’t think so. At all. The fact is that the majority of US voters felt that the was the best person to elect in 2008. McCain even came out and said that his strong suite was not the economy. So, we were supposed to vote for him anyway??? And just the thought of Palin being next in line to the Presidency was ludicrous.

As for this election, so far I still think that Obama is the best candidate. I don’t agree with Romney’s platform on quite a bit – starting with Medicare voucher’s and going on from there.

That does not make me believe that Obama is, somehow, perfect. I know very well that he is not. But as long as so many people term him as things that he is not (socialist, marxist, communist, anti-american, etc.) I will help to defend him. I would do so (and I did for Bush, too) for ANYONE who gets blanket condemnation. NOBODY is completely bad or completely good. And that goes double for politicians.

And equating Obama with Hitler is just plain idiotic. Just as it was when so many people equate Bush with Hitler. I will admit that I’m still very angry about the Patriot Act. But unless either party, or a person in either party, starts talking about doing ethnic cleansing in our country there is no basis for comparison to Hitler. And it’s time it stopped.

I guess you have not researched anything about FEMA camps or Fema ordering huge amounts of food packets. I guess you have not researched why the Homeland security had ordered billions of 40 cal hollow point ammunition.Weapons that can stop crowds from a distance without firing a shot.
Like I said what is going on behind the veil of BS would scare you to tears. Maybe you better stay in the mass media black out rather than spend your time researching. Our govt. is preparing for something that has never happened before in history on US soil. I only wish we knew exactly what was in the plans. But that will not be revealed till they are ready for the execution.

I really believe if Obama gets elected we will see dramatic changes within his 1st year that we all will see his real hope and change at full ahead speed.
I think it is better to find out more about what is behind Obama hope and change rather than just backing him because he is a democrat.
Big difference I feel between Obama and Romney is Romney does not hate the USA like Obama does. Read his own book to see how he wants to make the Dreams of His Father be fullfilled.

“I really believe if Obama gets elected we will see dramatic changes within his 1st year that we all will see his real hope and change at full ahead speed. I think it is better to find out more about what is behind Obama hope and change rather than just backing him because he is a democrat. ”

Well, I think that we should if what you fear is true, or not. I agree. But I, also, think that reading too much into unrelated items is something that should be avoided. The question is what do you consider facts, and what do you consider linkable to each other. I do remember from after Hurricane Katrina that the Government was going to try and do things more effectively for disasters. But I don’t know if that is what you all are calling FEMA camps or not.

I do know that there were storehouses in place before Katrina, but they got hit during the hurricane, too.

I have looked up “FEMA camps” (as has been recommended by several people) but all I see is speculation and the speculations are not on trusted sites. I simply do not trust most sites, unless they have actual documentation to back up what they have to say.

Look, I know that I seem obstinate and blind. But I am a researcher. One that relies on documentation to back up what I take as truth, or fact. “What people say” may be a place to start looking for facts, but “what people say” is not enough to BE facts. There has to be documentation. Or it is just gossip or rumor.

I, also, have been around for long enough to know that even 30 years ago people were talking about the Government trying to harm us (citizens), as well as enslave us. While I don’t like the Patriot Act, so far, they have done neither.

tl – Yes, people have been talking about government doing scary things for decades. I began looking into these things more than 30 years ago, and things are progressing (or devolving, as it were) just as the warnings stated.

Bill Cooper was one of the only voices talking about the NWO back then, and the plans of the world banking elite. He wrote a book called “Behold a Pale Horse”, which came out in early ’90s, and is taken from government documents. He was a military man. He had an underground radio broadcast.

In order to silence him, he was shot in the back, unarmed, in front of his home, by law enforcement who were there under orders to take him out. He had sent his wife and child away because he knew they were coming for him for telling the truth. His broadcasts are still available on YouTube.

These changes have been slow, incremental, PROGRESSIVE (hence the name). The boiled frog syndrome. The elite also count on people not believing it, and they were the ones who coined the term “conspiracy theorist” to discredit those who dared to speak of it and try to warn people.

It’s sad what sheep we are, how easily we are influenced and brainwashed. Many people have risked their lives, and lost their lives, to bring us this information. There is nothing in it for these people except the knowledge that they speak the truth. To our shame, most people ridicule such courage.

You won’t find these truths in the MSM, as these are all owned by the same 5 corporations which control everything, including our government. This information will not stare you in the face as these forces do not want us to know about it. Until now, anyway. Now everything is nearly in place, and events will soon be unfolding which will be a major showdown between those who would place the world under one rule, and the people who are willing to fight for their lives and their freedom.

By the time you progs realize what’s afoot, it will be too late.

Thank you for this post. I do not watch TV, or read the newspapers. I go online when I need to, and verify legislation that people are talking about on thomas.loc.gov. For the rest I use search engines and look to see if what is being said is just opinion or if their is documentation to back it up. There is so very much out there.

BTW, I am not a progressive or a liberal. I am a Democrat. If you wish to change the name of your party/philosophy do so, but do not do it to me, please.

tl – The platform of the democrat party is extremely liberal and progressive. Since you support them, one can only assume that you agree with this.

If it quacks like a duck….

And, btw, the communists stated that they would use the democrat party to take over our country. And they have.

I wish I could remember who this was quoted from. Perhaps someone out there recalls.

tigeer, keep admiring yourself for being a Democrat but you are admitting that you have been living in a box called Democrat that you have not paid attention that the Democrat cultural pendulum has shifted to the Left. Your credo is my party till I die. So is the Democrat Party your god and its tenets your religious liturgy?

I see tigeer is still drinking the lib/prog kool aid. Why don’t you look at this about how Obama bin Laden and the progs want to raise taxes on everyone.

http://www.netrightdaily.com/2012/10/earth-to-obama-raising-taxes-will-not-balance-budget/

Need to be making that popping sound. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

[personal insult comment removed]

Leave it to ed-duh to have something removed due to bad choice of words. Here is something that you need to read about Pelosi and Obama bin Laden Care.

http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2012/10/pelosi-on-obamacare-we-read-the-bill/

Looks like your messiah’s healthcare program is nothing but taxes, lies, and death. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Warrior,
“WE THE PEOPLE have to vote in people that have integrity. These people have to hire people of integrity. PERIOD.”

Absolutely. Ron Paul is our only real hope, but so many people have bought into the lies that he’s not electable. He can’t win. If everyone who said that would actually vote for him, Ron Paul could win.

I pray that I am wrong, but I feel Romney is just more Status Quo. Still, better than four more years of Odumba$$, I hope.

Joe McCarthy’s 50′s witch hunts,Nixon’s Watergate, Johnson’s Gulf of Tonkin, Reagan’s Iran/Contra. Don’t be so naive Kay its been around for a mighty long time. Look at history instead of barfing up your anti-Obama puke.

“The White House is full of Communist. Do we have a problem with that?”

As a Democrat, who is of the same party that is in the White House, I can say that I highly resent having my party, and the people that we have elected, be termed as something that they are not. Democrats are not communists, we are Democrats. And saying that we are anything else is a lie.

just because Obama is a Marxist doesnt mean that all democrats are communists but Obama is a Marxist running on the democratic ticket

tlgeer, Kay didn’t mention Democrats in her post…comprehention problem? A bit “gun shy” maybe? BTW, are you a communist Democrat? Just askin’?

She referred to us “progs”. If that’s not progressive, what is?

Communist Democrat? lol No. I’ve never met a Democrat that was a Communist. It goes against what being a Democrat is.

I’m sorry, Kay, if I responded to you when I should have responded to someone else about “progs”.

Obama doesn’t want to be just presdent he wants to be dictator.

tigeer, your Democrat Party built your ideology by proverbial brick by brick so what is it that you object to?

Nadzieja. tl’s just a might confused. He obviously doesn’t believe that a Democrat can also be a communist. I’m guessing he doesn’t know that a Dem can also be a fascist, socialist and Marxist too.

Confusion say my name is tlgeer.

tlgeer, I apologize for using “he” in my comment when referring to you…not knowing your gender I should have used “he/she”.

JeffH – Heck with that. I say defy PC every chance we get.

“He” was always used when gender was unknown before liberals saddled us with PC. I say, let’s just go back to the old rules. They are far less cumbersome.

Jeff can’t comprehend that a Conservative/Republican can be a Fascist right wing Nazi? Enough of your mind games Jeff. Now stare real hard into that mirror. Boooo!

Kate8, good point.

I dont know Jeff you sure look a lot like Obama!!

“Democracy is the road to Socialism.”

Karl Marx

Just try to remember this tigeer. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Sam, you’re nuts.
I’ve known several people that fought bravely for this country in Vietnam and they were atheists. One was awarded every commendation but the medal of honor.
Are you saying these guys were not patriots??????????????
Again, you’re nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DUH! Frank, really? Why would you think that was a picture of me? DUH!

eddie, just another of your ignorant & clueless comment s. Thin skinned as usual or did I hit too close to home and you’re uncomfortable? Just askin’?

I thought you would have figured it was a joke

Frank, I hear ya’ fellow patriot.

Wrong, wrong, wrong Ron. There are no atheists in foxholes. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. That’s what I mean ron, they just did things for themselves and not for country.

samurai,

Sorry you feel that way, but it’s not true. There, and were, atheist’s in foxholes, and every other place in wars.

Care to prove that with a source tlgeer? There were none in my platoons in Afghanistan or Iraq. You’ll be amazed how many of them convert when the bullets start flying. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Who’s obozo? I know who President Obama is, but not obozo.

You’re a joke!

JON
Don’t get your panties in a wad, he’s still Obozo, and he’s gonna lose big time.

@jon———COMRADE————He’s the guy that is in the ‘empty chair’,ZOMBIE.—————–What a puke———————–

Pull your head out of the jelly jar Palin 16 Obama is still the President. When you choose unflattering names on a continuous basis it shows a lack of intelligence. You have scrapped the bottom of the jelly jar on a few occassions.

Obama grew up with a vision. A vision of how he could someday break America, make it humble. So he is doing everything in his power to ruin the economy. That alone would make his mentors proud.

“Obama grew up with a vision. A vision of how he could someday break America, make it humble. So he is doing everything in his power to ruin the economy. That alone would make his mentors proud.”

There is absolutely no facts to back you up on this. Why would you choose to believe something that has no facts to back it up?

you say you have read several books about Obama but you have not even read Obama’s own book “dreams of my father”. All the back up for what is being said about Obama’s hope for this country is in his own book but then again your knowledge is very limited to only what you want to know. Yeah reading to much can be a real problem! It makes it hard to keep a closed mind.

tl – There are overwhelming facts to back that up.

That you have not looked into them does not mean they don’t exist. You have just limited your info sources, and closed your eyes and ears.

It is clear that you are another mind-numbed liberal Obot.

JON says:
October 13, 2012 at 9:01 am
Who’s obozo? I know who President Obama is, but not obozo.

You’re a joke!
——————————————————————————————————

How about Buck Ofama? Can you work that one out?
The Kenyan Socialist is NOT my President.

There is not current president these days Jon, just a pretender. In fact, he is just the Community Organizer of the United States. In fact here is Jay Leno busting out on Biden. This is very funny.

http://www.conservativevideos.com/2012/10/leno-rips-biden-for-nearly-3-minutes/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

tlgeer -
It appears that few of your geers mesh. YOU chide a person who accepts something that you say has “no facts to back someTHING up”?

Yet, YOU chose/choose someONE with absolutely nothing backing IT up – except “hope and change”. Its hope. We change.

Your president spent a year and a half giving away your dreams and America’s expectations to his friends, expecting profitable kick-backs and power swindles, while defaming every legitimate businessperson who must generate profit to keep his/her business AND the government afloat. No business profit will result in NO government finances, services or constituent payouts. In that year and a half the Progs did nothing to generate careers or productive, long term jobs that exceeded the rate of unemployment claim expansion. (They boast “5 million jobs”; hardly a drop in the lake.)
They burned money faster than it came in, bolstering the appearance of economic normalcy by salving the festering wound with borrowed-at-interest money from people who dislike us intensely. When those smart lenders saw the con he was running they quit lending. Now, Obam is trying to cover the financial hemorrhage by printing faces on cheap paper saying, “It’s OK; See?”. (Problem is: there’s lots of money but NO value. You can’t print wealth. Only faces.)
What did you get for that year and a half? Congressional bribes, swindles, presidential profiteering, power grabs, hundreds of Executive Orders (better called “dictatorial decrees” = presidential demands that bypass legal legislative process) and worsening economic prospects. His give-aways to the poor improved their lot 0.00%. So, he reduced middle class income by $4200 per family, setting a new norm to become “middle class” status. That could help the “poor” enter the “middle class”… did it not mean accepting lower life-styles and standards.
Checking facts would distract from golf, basketball, celebrity interviews and campaigning. So, he just lies when off-prompter. On-prompter, he lies more subtly to defame critics who do check facts but get MSM gagged. Propaganda is his stock-in-trade and the glory of his base…mostly gullible, dyseducated, drug-managed or work-averse job fugitives.

I could continue. But, this is some of what grinds tl’s geers that tl can not consider lest he sacrifice devotion to his idol…sorry, “Idol” with capital “I”.

I can see where your nose spends most of it’s time. Furthermore, your use of profane terms just proves your intellectual ineptitude.

Big Bird is a genius compared to Obozo. Obozo kept Biden to make himself look smarter.

Noboby on this forum is intellectually blind except you. Put down the kool-aid keg and do some research. If I want to hear the libidiot talking points I will turn on MSNBS. Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Harry Bounell and whoever else he has claimed to be is a fraud. Just out of curiosity how many social security numbers do you have? Is it more than three? For years he claimed on an AUTOBIOGRAPHY that he was born in Kenya, but as soon as he discovered that you had to be natural born then all of a sudden he was born in Hawaii (still doesn’t make him natural born as dad was foreign national). Only nobody remembers that. Don’t you find that a little strange Jon? He was a member of the communist party and openly attended meetings in Chicago. In fact that is how he was launched into public service. Do you ever wonder who paid for his expensive private schooling and Harvard Law School? According to his beloved pastor Jeremiah Wright Obama was a member of the “Down Low” club. Have you ever heard of the “Down Low”? It was a clandestine group of men who were really either gay or bi-sexual but married to make them appear more “normal”, if I may use that term. Wright often introduced them to each other. Do you ever wonder about the ring that Obama wore on his wedding finger even before he was married? It’s a ring of gold that has the arabic inscription “There is no God but Allah.” Michelle used that ring when they were married. Do you really believe this guy is a Christian, not that it matters to me, but if you’re going to claim being one do you think you would wear a Muslim ring? And how about that trip to Pakistan when he was 18. US citizens were prohibited from traveling there. How did he manage to do that? Do you think it might be because he holds an Indonesian passport? I could go on and on Jon, but really pull your head out of your fourth point of contact, take a deep breath, and look around.

Bev, Nicely said and all of it is true. I know people in Chicago who said the Down under club was out there when he was running for the Senate. You did your homework. It is all out there and why people still do not believe is beyond me. Just look at the title of his book. “Dreams From My Father” Which means they are his dreams that he got from and because of his father! Otherwise the title would have been Dreams OF My Father!. America needs to wake up and smell the coffee instead of the Bull that is being spewed to us by the Democratic Party. I used to be a Democrat and I am ashamed to say that. The Democrats of today are not the Democrats that I grew up with and they are ruining this our wonderful free country.

Jon
indeed a pair of Clowns.

BTW, virtually every pole indicates in the country thinks Obama lost the debate big time. Even his campaign has admitted it. That to me shows incompetence. The question is, what does he do on a day to day basis when he is supposed to be leading and negotiating for America?

If he was my attorney I would have fired him on the spot. My President, forget it.
Obozo is a good term for Obama and Joker Joe defines #2. Between the two of them they are

Please JON, Learn the truth about what is happening right before your eyes. Barack Hussein Obama is a known Socialist. That is a fact. Do you really want to imprison your children with Socialism? The truth is he is even worse than a Socialist. Barack Hussein Obama’s goal is to fulfill the dreams from his father. Barack Hussein Obama hates The USA, and is doing everything in his power to make sure we collapse. You are right when you say that Barack Hussein Obama is not an idiot. He knows exactly what he is doing. And, he is doing it with a smile too, because he knows that his followers swoon when he smiles. I tell you the truth, his fake deceiving smile makes me puke, because I see right through his deception. I see my country being systematically destroyed by the Smiling Socialist Deceiver. It is beyond all reason, that anyone with half a brain would continue to follow and support this smiling con man while he brings their country to ruin from within.

There are Americans who saw through Ryan’s tight lipped smirk also Rick . Ryan is a smart man and has some good ideas but he needs to put away those fabricated facts or he’ll get the label of Lyin’ Ryan.

Jack

Speaking of “Big Bird”, the Obama was honered as a big bird last month…..

President BARACK OBAMA was invited to address a major
gathering of the American Indian Nation two weeks ago in
upstate New York ..

He spoke for almost an hour about his plans for increasing
every Native American’s present standard of living. He referred
to his time as a U.S. Senator and how he had voted for every
Native American issue that came to the floor of the Senate.

Although President Obama was vague about the details of his
plans, he seemed most enthusiastic and spoke eloquently about
his ideas for helping his, “Red sisters and brothers”.

At the conclusion of his speech, the Tribes presented Obama
with a plaque inscribed with his new Indian name, “Walking Eagle”.

The proud President Obama accepted the plaque and then
departed in his motorcade to a fundraiser, waving to the crowds.

A news reporter later asked the group of chiefs how they came
to select the new name they had given to the President.

They explained that “Walking Eagle” is the name given to a bird
so full of s**t it can no longer fly.

Bev,

” Barack Obama, Barry Soetoro, Harry Bounell and whoever else he has claimed to be is a fraud. Just out of curiosity how many social security numbers do you have? Is it more than three? ”

Our President, Barack Obama (not Barry Soetoro or Harry Bounell) has one (1) Social Security Number. The fact that there are other Barack (and Barak) Obama’s in the US and, also, have SSN does not mean that they are all the same person. That kind of thinking is just plain stupid.

BTW, who is Harry Bournell?

“For years he claimed on an AUTOBIOGRAPHY that he was born in Kenya, but as soon as he discovered that you had to be natural born then all of a sudden he was born in Hawaii (still doesn’t make him natural born as dad was foreign national).”

A copywriter for his publisher wrote that he was born in Kenya, without bothering to get the facts first. No where does he say that he was born in Kenya. Nor has anyone in his family. In fact, they all (even his step-grandmother in Kenya) says that he was born in Hawaii.

A US natural born citizen is one who is born on US soil, and is not the child of diplomats. It does not matter, legally, where his parents were born, or even if they were US citizens.

“He was a member of the communist party and openly attended meetings in Chicago.”

Prove it.

“In fact that is how he was launched into public service.”

Prove it.

“Do you ever wonder who paid for his expensive private schooling and Harvard Law School?”

Student loans and part-time jobs.

“According to his beloved pastor Jeremiah Wright Obama was a member of the “Down Low” club. Have you ever heard of the “Down Low”? It was a clandestine group of men who were really either gay or bi-sexual but married to make them appear more “normal”, if I may use that term. Wright often introduced them to each other.”

This rumor has never been confirmed. If you can provide confirmation, verifiable confirmation, then please do so.

“Do you ever wonder about the ring that Obama wore on his wedding finger even before he was married? It’s a ring of gold that has the arabic inscription “There is no God but Allah.” Michelle used that ring when they were married. Do you really believe this guy is a Christian, not that it matters to me, but if you’re going to claim being one do you think you would wear a Muslim ring? ”

I think that it’s a beautiful ring and unless you have proof that he wore this ring from any other reason than that he wanted to, you have no argument. Just more unfounded rumors.

“And how about that trip to Pakistan when he was 18. US citizens were prohibited from traveling there. How did he manage to do that? Do you think it might be because he holds an Indonesian passport?”

While this rumor has been going around, for years, as a fact it is not fact whatsoever. It is simply a lie.

You seem to grounded in rumors. Why would you choose to believe rumors instead of facts?

Biden isn’t an outright idiot? Watch this!

http://www.conservativevideos.com/2012/10/joe-biden-always-says-what-he-means/

You need to hear this fool talking about this being a depression for millions of Americans, raising taxes by $1 trillion dollars, and so much more. So this person isn’t an idiot? I hate to see what you would call smart, for you sure are not Jon. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

I guess tigeer likes being lied to by the current COOTUS in Washington. Here is something else about the subject.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/people-died-and-obama-lied/

But then again, we already know the truth about this pretender Nad. Just think, less than a month till Obama bin Laden loses his shirt. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

95 days till Obozo is gone.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.
Read Psalms 109 vs 6 – 20

joe was stoned!

O’hillbilly – (are you like that Black Irishman…O’bama?)

He should be. In the city square…up to his nostrils in camel dung…according to Sharia law, like an unfaithful muslim butrag (that’s; an Iranian butch bitch in d-rag)…then, given a fitting burial for such an unfit, unstrung infiddle…. which is:
ta da da dumpy dumb—-
kneeling with the head away from Mecca, head and knees encased in cement to be used ’til the end of days as (dr-dr-dr-dr-rum rol-l-l tr-tr-tr-trumdee plop) ….. bike rack!!!?!

poor joe – fitting, but correlation was like the first drop out at woodstock 1, as in kerploop face down in own vomit. Likable old fart, but got to draw the line somewhere.

Actually, defending Romney’s record would be the easier of the two tasks…

Drifter – Romney doesn’t have a record. He ran for office twice in his life, and lost half of them. His campaign is murky at best. All I can figure is that he for “good” and against “bad.

Actually it can be said that VP Biden lost the debate.

By the way while others may be commenting on VP Biden’s appearance you’re agreeing with them that VP Biden’s looks are bad.

Ted,

And Obozo does have a record? What did he ever do before he passed out the Kool-aid? GIve me a break. He has lied to you and everyone else.

Ted,

Sorry, I forgot, he does indeed have a record, 3 social security #s, fake birth certificates, fake ID but of course it has all been sealed so we won’t know who he really is.

Steve is right , Obama has been gaming the USA Government system all his LIFE with Foreign supporters !!!! You think he really has Your best Interest in mind or somebody else who has enabled him all his life ???

Actually Biden is crazier than a syphilitic suicide bomber with mad-cow disease and a total moron.

What kind of record does zero have? let me see…… Marxist, Chicago thug,
Muslim, socialist, economical dunce and overall duma**

Actually, I’ve never understood the Kool-Aid reference. If it refers to the Jonestown massacre, the poison was in a product named “Flav-R-Aid” and everyone who drank flav-r-aid tragically died 34 years ago.

It looked to me like Joe made Ryan look like a complete fool! This is not to say i support the current administration, i just call it as i see it; and when it came to the debate, old Joe took the “youngster” to school. Perhaps Obama should switch places with Joe, for the next up-coming presidential-debate. I have no-doubt he would man-handle Romney with no troubles. Romney is probably totally relieved that he will be debating Obama, and not Joe!

Actually, Ryan did a great job..and what does Romney need to prove. Obama has been a 100% failure…not only in the U.S., but overseas. He is a liar, deceiver, and a narcissist. He knew weeks in advance of the request for added military security for 9/11…was denied on every request. On the night the Ambassador was being sexually abused, tortured, murdered, and dragged through the streets…Obama was laughing it up on Letterman..went to bed…and left for Vegas the next day to party with Beyonce’ & Jay Z. Obama does not care for America or Americans, he is a Communist, and has a Communist Propagandist for presidential advisor {Valerie Jarrett}. All the dictators, Muslims, and Jihads are his friends. Obama was{before he was elected} and IS today a member of The Radical Black Panthers, The Muslim Brotherhood, and The SOCIALIST New Party. And voting for a third party…will only split the votes. Obama will sink this country faster than the Titanic..if re-elected. See the movie 2016… Read “Obama’s America: The Remaking of the American Dream”
Romney/Ryan “Believe in America” 2012

couldn’t say it any better than that ,Kay

Kay Cleveland says “…and what does Romney need to prove. Obama has been a 100% failure…not only in the U.S., but overseas…”

You speak of believing in America, but it is absolutely arbitrary to moral principle, and logic to think a candidate doesn’t have to prove anything simply because of mistakes by the current Administration.

Romney/Ryan, who both expressed desire intervene more aggressively in Syria are likely to receive the same blow back from such gross incompetence as the intervention of Libya at the overthrow of Gaddafi.

Romney said he would have also signed the NDAA and done many of the same things Obama has done. Ryan openly admits to holding the ideological imperialist policy; ‘peace through strength’.

Are we sure that imperialism is better than socialism?

The problems at home are an ultimate result of the central bank (Federal Reserve) needed to fund imperialism, and you cannot rightfully fix the problems in your own house until you stop trying to fix them in the houses of others.

The vote is already split among Republicans and Democrats alike because here is another party that represents a substantial part of the peoples will. A representative of that Party should be allowed equal footing in a Democratic Republic – Not a communist state, nor an Empire.

If you support either of those, simply because that’ all the establishment has to offer, then at least admit it. But make no mistake; both political philosophies will end in ruin. When that time comes you can blame yourself.

Kay says: Romney/Ryan “Believe in America” 2012

Romney and Ryan believe in the same America Obama and Biden believe in, except they will use different strategies to achieve identical end-results.

I agree, and the talk about the election of one party, or another, will bring the downfall of the US to be nothing more than hysteria. I’ve been hearing this same hysteria bouncing back and forth between the party’s (mostly on the outer fringes of the party’s) for over 30 years. I’ve, also, heard about the “fact” that if someone isn’t/is re/elected that martial law will break out and we will no longer have a vote.

It hasn’t happened in the over 30 years that I’ve been voting, and I seriously doubt that it will happen in the next month, let alone the next few years. The FEAR that it will happen does not mean that it will, and there are no facts that it will.

I’m pretty sure any of the first 500 names in any American phone book would do a better job than the kenyan and his Union side kick.

Ted, you think Romney doesn’t have a track record??? I thought the democrats hated him for all of his success. Please inform us all, what was Obama’s track record before he became president? He didn’t have one, a fact that the democrats, liberals and liberal news media covered up like a robber covers his face during an armed robbery. LOL

At least Romney has put anone in the poor house. How would you like to put Biden in the white house.

By the way Joe Biden looks like a snake oil salemen.

What about every single one of Obama’s grand promises broken. Transparency, bringing the country together, every bill was going to be on the Internet before being voted upon. He has torn the country apart, set race relations back to the Jim Crow era. He has had 4 years of on the job training and has no experience. With Obama and Biden, we have Twiddledee and Twiddledumb (Biden). We are the laughing stock of the world.

Tigeer, while you may believe yourself to be most admirable because you don’t suscribe to fearing the scenarios that most people see happening across the country, you just admitted that your are a follower of O. Lots and lots of words and yet that is all you are. You say you have seen over 30 years of changes in the US and can’t see the changes, so you are self delusional, and an outright liar of the worse kind because you not only lie to yourself but lie to the posters on this forum that you are not telling lies.

AMEN TED

Ted
I see Steve only watches FAUX NEWS, UNFAIR AND OUT OF BALANCE.

I see Nadzieja is still boiling in Republican frog land. When you can admit their many mistakes then you can harp on the Democrats. Is it really that hard for you to put the Democrats and Republicans in the same sentence as equal troublemakers?

Look at Obamas CZARS ….all of them POPULATION CONTROL FREAKS … thats ANTI FREE Choice and thats all you need to know !!!! All they want your vote for is more Power over your right to choice in the end , they will bait you then switch you once they gain control over the FREE Markets which is everything they want to Control the rate of Consumption and Reverse Engineer what the FREE Markets have done to extend the rate of Longevity , Thats what the CZARS background speaks of as they write ANTI Free Market economic regulatory Policies right and left !!!

Not only is Biden a liar, but his buddy Obama bin Laden is a bigger one.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Well said Kay. I couldn’t agree with you more.

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

John Jay

This is what happens when we elect a person who is a muslim, but lies by saying he is a Christian. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님과 국가 대 한!

You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

Biden is an IDIOT! If that is all he can contribute to OBAMA’S LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE CAMPAIGN than ODUMBO is going to loose on 6 NOVEMBER 2012 !!!

Of course. Odumba$$ needs someone to make him look intelligent.

Biden was no different than the smirking-smiling-mormon. And Ryan was no different than the clueless-empty-headed-Obama. It seems both tickets have their strengths and liabilities; and both tickets will destroy America!