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The War With Islam

September 26, 2012 by  

The War With Islam
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Egyptians protested outside the U.S. embassy in Cairo against a film mocking Islam.

Around and around we go. Violence and death of innocents on Islamic soil seems to be a perpetual phenomenon. The most recent round of senseless violence was said to have been sparked by the surfacing of a sophomoric YouTube video that pokes fun at Muhammad.

A handful of Muslims in the eastern Libya city of Benghazi became so enraged by the incident that they attacked the U.S. consulate, killing U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens along with three other Americans.

It didn’t bother the executioners that Stevens had fought beside Libyans to free Libya from dictator Moammar Gadhafi, who had ruled the country for 34 years.

Also, protesters in Egypt scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner. Again, Islamic extremists have problems with their short-term memory. It was the United States that supported the revolution in Egypt that removed that nation’s dictator, Hosni Mubarak.

Those acts were the first such assaults on U.S. diplomatic facilities in either country. There was a flurry of excuses for the murder of Americans whose only sin was trying to build Islamic civilizations in a region that refuses to become civilized.

Let me get back to that YouTube film whose very existence justifies a death sentence even to those who had nothing to do with its production.

You see, the video goes so far as to mock Islam’s holy prophet.

I don’t know if some of you watch the TV show “Family Guy” which FOX, of all networks, produces. It sometimes makes fun of Jesus Christ. In one episode Christ is shown as a hippie working at a used record store. That hasn’t resulted in attacks on the show’s creator, Seth MacFarlane, by Christians. Call it free speech and the Western world’s ability to laugh at itself even when it comes to our religious beliefs. We certainly don’t go on murderous rampages every time our sensibilities are hurt. That is not the way for much of Islam.

Further evidence of violent Islamic tendencies was provided last week when al-Qaida’s affiliate in North Africa urged Muslims in the region to kill U.S. government representatives.

“We encourage all Muslims to continue to demonstrate and escalate their protests and to kill their (American) ambassadors and representatives or to expel them to cleanse our land from their wickedness,” read the statement from al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb.

The group also called the killing of Stevens “the best gift you (can) give to his arrogant and unjust administration.”

There’s more. Also last week, a Taliban-allied insurgent group claimed responsibility for a suicide attack that killed at least 12 people, including eight South Africans, in Afghanistan. The group said it was in response to the YouTube video.

A spokesman for Islamic militant group Hizb-i-Islami said a 22-year-old woman named Fatima carried out the attack. She drove a car packed with 660 pounds of explosives into a van on a road leading to the Kabul International Airport.

Suicide attacks by women are rare in Afghanistan — maybe because it’s a sin for a woman to drive a automobiles.

“The anti-Islam film hurt our religious sentiments and we cannot tolerate it,” spokesman Haroon Zarghhon told The Associated Press.  “There had been several young men who wanted to take revenge, but Fatima also volunteered and we wanted to give a chance to a girl … to tell the world we cannot ignore any anti-Islam attack.”

That’s lucky for Fatima — although, I am not too sure what she is going to do with the 72 virgins that are waiting for her.

Radical jihadists can’t even come up with original reasons to be anti-American; they have to spend their days scanning YouTube to find some insult. Don’t these Islamic believers have better things to do, like build schools and roads? Yet it was determined that murder had to be meted out because some idiot made fun of Muhammad.

Isn’t it time for the West to wash our hands of Islam? A growing part of Islam, regardless of whether President Barack Obama will admit it, is at war with the United States and Western society. During the Cold War, the United States faced rational and educated leaders of the Kremlin. The opposition leaders in this war are crazed religious fanatics who have already demonstrated they are crazy enough to blow up themselves — and often many innocent Muslims who happen to be in the way — because they have nothing better to do than to kill Westerners.

You can blame it on the brain trust of Islamic militants. One man that helped shape al-Qaida’s philosophy was Sayyid Imam al-Sharif, also known as Dr. Fadl.

In an article for The New Yorker, Lawrence Wright relayed Dr. Fadl’s doctrine:

Fadl contends that the rulers of Egypt and other Arab countries are apostates of Islam. “The infidel’s rule, his prayers, and the prayers of those who pray behind him are invalid,” Fadl decrees. “His blood is legal.” He declares that Muslims have a duty to wage jihad against such leaders; those who submit to an infidel ruler are themselves infidels, and doomed to damnation. The same punishment awaits those who participate in democratic elections. “I say to Muslims in all candor that secular, nationalist democracy opposes your religion and your doctrine, and in submitting to it you leave God’s book behind,” he writes. Those who labor in government, the police, and the courts are infidels, as is anyone who works for peaceful change; religious war, not political reform, is the sole mandate. Even devout believers walk a tightrope over the abyss. “A man may enter the faith in many ways, yet be expelled from it by just one deed,” Fadl cautions. Anyone who believes otherwise is a heretic and deserves to be slaughtered.

So here we stand in 2012; the Middle Ages intersect the Internet.

Obama continues to waste billions of dollars in aid to Islamic nations — even countries like strife-riddled Egypt which collects $1.5 billion a year from Washington. The Obama Administration played a crucial role in the overthrow of Mubarak only to witness the ascension to power of the latest Egyptian despots who are even worse than Mubarak. A recent headline from the Daily Beast said it all: “Obama’s Foolish Embrace of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood.”

Mr. President: If by chance you get re-elected, please change your policies regarding Islam. Try not to take a society out of the Stone Age. Too many believers in Muhammad (like your father was) are committed to killing those who have done nothing other than invest themselves in trying to bring a better future to a rundown region which is becoming the globe’s gutter.

Hopefully, Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney will prevail in November. If so, he must understand he has an undeclared war on his hands with much of Islam. The Muslim Brotherhood is gaining murderous momentum throughout the Mideast — especially in Egypt. It controls the Suez Canal, a choke point for petroleum and other essential trade.

To date, the Muslim Brotherhood has not renounced the doctrine of its late founder, Hassan al-Banna: “It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet.”

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • JA

    The world needs more compassion and less violence. The problem with people is not the people, it is the teachings they practice. People have allowed themselves to become corrupted, lets call it sick or mentally and spiritually ill, by practicing these religions, all of them. What we need to do instead of dropping bombs on these ill people or waiting till they do that to us is find ways to teach everyone that all religions are flawed and people should not believe in any one of them absolutely. Sure there may be good points in all of them, and sure people can study the teachings and look for the good points, but whenever people believe there is some intellegent entity more powerful than themselves they look to that diety to do what they should be doing. They also lower the status of man in the process and do not believe that all men are basically the same and the sanctity of human life should be placed above all else. People have to stop killing other people.

    • Louis Lemieux

      I cannot but have admiration for your struggle for peace on earth but to want to do away with religion is the same as wanting to do away with our subconscious which is an essential part of each and everyone of us. Religion is for the most part humanity’s collective subconscious.

  • Sirian

    TO ALL:
    Please, everyone needs to watch “The Project” on The Blaze tonight – 8 P.M. e.s.t. If you want to learn what’s actually been and is taking place in ref to Islam & the Muslim Brotherhood, YOU MUST WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY!!!
    http://www.theblaze.com/theproject/

    • TexasRide

      Yes, Sirian, people can sign-up for 14-free days on The Blaze to see The Project or they can watch it on Dish Network, channel 212.. Learn about the plans the muslim brotherhood has for America.

  • Mitch

    You are aware of The Gates of Vienna (Sept 11th 1683)? Europe was defending it’self and the Muslim take over. They are continuing the same war … to conquer the whole world. We can’t just ‘wash our hands’ of it. The mud puddle is upon us.

    • Flashy

      You are referring to the Battle of Kahlenberg? You think it was a religious war? Seriously? Wow….perhaps you should read your European history more thoroughly than pull something off a blog. Battle of Vienna? jeesh….

  • Tyler

    Okay, we’re not at a war with Islam, we’re at a war with Radical Islam.

    • TexasRide

      Tyler there is NO difference. They all live by the same laws and believe in the same prophet of satan. This cult is what it is without apology to anyone.

      • Tyler

        You’re an idiot, I know people who are Muslim, they aren’t extremest. Most of them are very moderate. You can’t completely generalize an entire religion, also I think you need to find out what Muslims believe, because you don’t seem to know. Stop being so ignorant.

      • eddie47d

        Texas Ride is proving again that he is an extremist and willing to do harm to others. It’s easy to smell a radical right winger.

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      Tyler: Islam, not ‘radical islam’, is at war with us. If you don’t believe that, you’re either not paying attention or you are reading the wrong sources.

  • braindeadus

    It is time we send these muslim countries of the middle east to their maker, with bombs,and fire. That whole area needs a cleansing, the world would be better off.

    • old goats

      AMEN to that! GET OUT & STAY OUT! Send dones to any cleric who preaches death to any of our citizens or use a hit squad like the Isralies did after WWII. Same for the nut jobs who organize the suicide missions. It’s a good time to start developing detonaters & timers for them – ones that can sense starting the vehicle or loading it. The Iranian nut job is here – give him a room in the tallest NYC building… give him a rug & see if he can fly!

      • Flashy

        old goats…shall we also do the same to the christian extremists here? y’know the ones…they bomb clinics, advocate violence, and call for a Holy War .. should we cap ‘em the same as folks here call for against muslims?

      • old goats

        Don’t know of any Christian suicide bombers, crucifying non-believers, burning cities, burning flags, killing ambassadors, building nukes to annihilate Jews, Americans, & all non-believers. Matter of facts, don’t know of any Christians who have comitted crimes that weren’t punished to the full extent of law.

        If you cut off the head of a snake, it ain’t gonna bite you! Of course, the defining issue is law, where muslim nut jobs make religious laws that allow killing non-believers, & long dirty lists of etc.’s! Of course, being a liberal commie, you believe in killing babies who can’t defend themselves, fully developed little one’s that can cry… Is it 45 million abortions since rowe-v-wade? Any way you can’t even name one of your sick pathological heroes such as Mau, Stalin, Pol Pothead, Hitler, etc. who can even come close to your little obamalizations!

        Dig up some news of WWII & run some clips of Moose-al-eenie – short choppy rants, head movements & puffiness like peacock sitting on a fence post – a certified pathological dumb-ass. Guess who’s now “great leader” is a carbon copy?

      • Gea

        You are talking about past deeds commuted by fanatics who did not follow Christian teachings. Read a Serom on the Mount to understand how Christianity and Judeaims are opposite from teachings of Koran and Mohamed The current Muslim barbarians, as well as Osama bin-Ladin, were actually fulfilling the commands in Koran and Hadith to wage war on non-Muslims. Mohamed was a pedophile polygamist rapist and murderer who in any sane society would be tried and convicted for rapes, pedophilia, multiple murders and polygamy and not emulated as a role model.

        Thus it IS Islamic teachings themselves that are inspiring destruction and murders around the world, just as Nazi’s teachings were in WWII. Anybody who read Mein Kampf left Germany in time to save themselves from Holocaust, just as anybody who reads Koran and Hadith will understand what Islam has in store for US and the Western civilization. Islam MUST REFORM or has no place in any society that respects liberty and human rights.

    • Karolyn

      braindeadYOU – So easy to sit in front of your computer talking about killing millions of people. Very sad. We are ALL brothers whether you like it or not!

      • Tag

        Wrong again, toots! You are the type that no one wants to claim as a member of their family, much less their country. Go pack your bags and go back to where you came from = apparently you didn’t have any relatives at the WTC?

      • http://none Charlie

        Karolyn,,,
        Bible ignorance and stupidity are really on the rage today on this site, must be about 70 to 80%
        heathen or semi heathen comments …
        Your all brothers comment has some truth to it ,,,BUT,,,here’s the big, BIG problem ,,,some brothers and sisters have very serious “”"Curses”"” on them … Adam and eve and the snake were cursed by their Creator , The Almighty God,,,see Genesis chapter 3 for Mankind’s first set of “Curses”… Then Mankind got so bad , God thinned them down to 8 people at Noah flood ,see
        that at Genesis chapter 6,7…
        Then Noah got off the boat some months later ,,,got drunk on some real wine, Noah’s son ,Ham, sinned against him while he was drunk,,,so,,,when Noah sobered up , Noah called in a curse on Ham’s son Canaan , see that at Genesis 9:20—29… How about that ? another curse on one of these brothers you write of ,,,so,,, Canaan and his lineage were cursed by Noah , God’s Man,
        Noah’s curse was / is just as powerful and valid as if God had made it…
        This brotherhood thing you write of is kinda getting split off,,, well, hang on it gets a whole lot worse… The Tower of Babel was where the next big curse comes into play , from The God Almighty , no less…See that at Genesis chapter 11… God sent the lineage of Ham and Japheth All around the Earth,,, We think that’s where all the other races come from…
        Noah’s son Shem was some what of a home body ,so, he stayed out of trouble ,so, far,,,but,,,
        look out! here comes Genesis 27 Jacob and Esau had a big problem over Birthrights , Jacob was Moma’s boy , so, Jacob’s Mom , Rebekah helped him Jacob make a “deal” , Contract,,,for The Birth Rights….
        Esau brought on his curses from God by his Gross disrespect for God’s Law and blessings ,
        see the serious curses at Malachi chapter 1:1–5… SO???
        The good guys today are the lineage of Jacob Israel,,,.AND,,,the bad guys today are the Lineage
        of Esau Edom … All the other races come from the lineage of Ham and Japheth , which were scattered over the earth…..
        Your brotherhood bag does not hold much water ,,,UNLESS,.,. you are speaking of the lineage
        of Jacob Israel… BUT The Bible ,all of it ,,is still valid and CORRECT in CONTEXTS…. So?
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Flashy

    Easy to be an armchair quarterback isn’t it. A complex issue, with many areas of influence affecting decisions. It’s a chess game being played at the international levels involving many players, far beyond being a simplistic answer. Of course, this means its way over the heads of the TP and American Taliban contingent. They’ll cry and whine and make declarations of belligerence and insult.

    • kkflash

      As usual, nothing of what you say is true. This issue, though not over the heads of Tea Party members, is most certainly over yours.

      • Flashy

        KKF…you ever play chess? Ever watch two highly skilled players go at it ? It’s an art..and watching two skilled players go head to head is a thrill when you know they are already item moves past what you see on the board. Watch a novice take on a skilled player. how the novice is played with…little traps here, distractions there..until the skilled player gets tired of the match and says ‘checkmate in six”…and lo and behold…checkmate in six.

        Bismark was a Grand Master at playing “international chess”. He would distract with a minor dispute…say the Holstein Affair…while setting the stage to gamble on the bigger stakes which few would realize was his ultimate prize until too late. (The Schleswig-Holstein Affair set the stage for wiping up the floor with Austria and leading to unification of the German state).

        For anyone to say that what is going on in the ME is simple, and to suggest simplistic solutions…is showing nothing but ignorance in thought and great folly. I guess that would explain your post…

  • Dhip

    ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION. IT IS A CULT. Muhammad was not a prophet but the voice of the anti-Christ. This voice has led to the murdering and rape of children, co-called honor killings. It has led to the depressing of the rights of women who have been brainwashed into believe that they are inferior to men in all manner, and have been beaten into submission. This is not a religious identity. Muslims have the right to practice their cultish activities as they see fit. They have no right to afflict the rest of the world with their beliefs.

    • Flashy

      i’d say the same could be said as to the christian cult. Read your dictionary…all religions are cults. Beliefs are not, religions are.

  • JA

    When the majority of the people realize they need only believe in themselves and stop looking outside for some god, or Allah or Mohammed, or Buddha or whatever imaginary diety they are now looking to, for whatever reason, then, and only then, can the world be at peace. Religions, as someone said above, all have some good and some bad points. They are all flawed because, like the person said, people are still flawed and still have a lot to learn and people created religions. Religion is a tool used to control and manipulate people, who for whatever reason are too weak or ignorant to understand this fact. All governments use religion to some degree as a way to help hold their power over the people. And people allow it. People in general need philosophy because, believe it or not, everyone has a spiritual side. This is not bad as long as people realize that all men are basically the same. And the spirit is their spirit and not some external mystical power. Trouble today is mostly because people do not understand these truths and want to believe what others tell them to believe. All they need to do is believe in themselves and seek the truth from within their own life. Stop looking outside for answers. There is no god or Allah or Buddha outside of our own mind and life. We are all the same and can live together in peace and should never ever hurt others because they are part of what we are and so when they are hurt so are we. It is simple. Trouble is, if people understood such a simple fact, they would no longer be controlled and the evil people who have control now would lose their power. People would be free and the world would be at peace.

    • TexasRide

      JA, I see that you prefer to live in a Western culture, where you are safe and the sawing off of heads and the stoning of women are not done! How easy it is for you to have such a lackadasical attitude about a cult that commits atrosities on their own cult-members and non-believers.
      There is a difference between men and animals….I resent the comparison.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Some 90% of Muslims around the world do not believe in violence except for self defense. There are over 2,000 mosques in the US and the vast majority of those Muslims are law abiding people. Anyone who wants them harm are no better than than the 10% of violent Muslims.

      • Gea

        As long as Muslims are in a minority they will be very peaceful and even meak. Once they reach 10% of the population they will start behaving like Muslims in Detroit do, demanding sharia, and banninjg Christians and others from their neighborhoods, including killing dogs, which Mohamed hated.

        Even if onlly 10% of Muslims are violent, that means that there are 700,000 Muslims in America and 140 millions of Muslims around the world who are nasty violent people, ready to murder and die for Allahu Akbar, as those terrorists of 9/11 did in 2001. Islam promisses them a Paradise with 72 virgins and 12 pre-pubescent boys if they die as “martyurs” i,e, die while murdering Jews and Americans. Those Muslim barbarians who raped and murdered US Ambasador in Libya think that they will get a fast ticket to their Paradiese whorehouse for their assinine deeds.

        Read Koran and Hadith and learn about history of Islam and Mohamed to understand what Islam brings to America. Some studies show that 80%n of mosques in America teach hatred of the West, and they also teach hate of the hose ocuntries in Euroep. Islam MUST REFORM or has no place in any country that respects liberty and human rightgs.

        Having a US President who extolls Islam and Koran while dissing Bible, and who bowed to Saudi king, whose subjectx committed crimes of 9/11 is an abomination. Barak Hussein Obama had been living up to his middle name and should resign.

      • Tim

        The only reason Muslims are not violent here is because they don’t have sufficient numbers yet

      • TexasRide

        Louis lemming how do you know what goes on in these 2,000 mosques and how do you know what 90% of mulsims really think? You got acrystal balls or something!

      • eddie47d

        Is that an admission that GEA and Texas Ride are part of that 10% who want a Jihad against the Muslims?

      • Vicki

        Louis Lemieux says:
        “Some 90% of Muslims around the world do not believe in violence except for self defense. There are over 2,000 mosques in the US and the vast majority of those Muslims are law abiding people. ”

        Even the 10% are law abiding. Sharia law that is.

        Now about the 90%. which are these?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37xQ3SCK8h4

        Note in particular at 13:15 the people including the police were cheering “we won” when the “evil” Christians were removed from the fair. Removed for exercising their freedom of speech on PUBLIC streets.

        I chose this video of the dozens that are up there to see the pov from the other side. This video pov does not show us clearly who started the violence that brought the police.

  • Susan

    This article is dead on!! Our government when on its own soils continually screams “separation of church and state!”….. yet our president will not seperate himself from his preferred religion of Islam and trying to shove it down the throats of all us infidels. He seems to be so dedicated to the “memory” of his father, a man who obviously did not embrace him as a child..I think this has scarred Obama and he is in serious need of some counseling or psychiatric therapy. Maybe some anti-psychotic medication could help to get him right? Our great country of America is now at war with its own Leader and that is a very sad day for us. We used to only have to worry about foreign attacks, now we have to worry about attacks from our own President and our Government. It’s time for some real men to get into office and turn this country back around. If Obama and the liberal puppets want to ridicule us for taking a step back in time to leave it to Beaver days….OH WELL, GET OVER IT!!!

    • Gea

      Barak Hussein Obama is a traitor of American values and a traitor of American diplomats in Arab countries, whom he made into a sitting ducks by preventing US Marines to carry live ammunition to defend the lives of Americans. Obama had been living up to his middle name ever since he got into the Oval Office and particularly when he let Muslim Brotherhood into the White hosue and had given them $1.5 billions in Egypt.

      The first law that his Muslm Brothers passed in Egyptian parliament was to allow husband to have sex with his dead wife up to 12 hours after her death. There is a war on women in Egypt paid for by money taht Obama gave them, and there is a war that Muslim Brothers of Obama are planning with Israel against using US taxpayres money.

      Obama should resign sine he clearly is an enemy of US, and not fit to manage anything except propaganda services for Islam.

    • Gea

      I don’t think that medication would help Obama problems, since he is a true believer in taqiyya use of Islam. Obama does not belong to America, since he clearly is a true believer in two ideologies which had been proven by history lead to destruction and tyrany in any society that had tried them. Those are Marxism and Islam, both proclaiming their desire for “justice and equality” but always leading to corruption tyranny and injustice.

      Obama is a double whammy of Islam and Marxism, a deadly combination that is leading US into the abyss of annihilation if allowed to proceed. Obama should resign and leave any position of power before he does more damage to US.

      There is a strange phenomenon in Mid West of 1.3 oi voters requesting absentee ballot. IT is possible that Obama re-election machinery had stage this take over, so that they can keep their man in the White house. IT is amazing how stupid some Americans are that even after Obama clearly represent Islam and not US, they still promote this man.

      • eddie47d

        You’ve repeated yourself more than 20 times GEA. You are worse than borderline obsessive and dangerous to yourself. Keep the knives locked up for your own safety.

      • Vicki

        A wonderfully useless ad-hominem attack Eddie47d. Thanks for showing others how you think and why few of us take you seriously.

  • brett

    again, just another ignorant one sided narrow point of view nor more than propaganda meant to be decisive. giving the amount of uproar over the papyrus that mentioned that jesus may have had a wife, i think that there should be more room for sympathy. what’s that bit about walking in another’s shoes. i find it disturbing how the wars are always about one extreme religious fundamental view versus another.

    • Gea

      While there are fanatics in all religious that rise their ugly head from time to time, none is as nasty and numerous as Islam inspired violent Muslim fanatics. The estimate is that ~20% of ALL Muslims are ready to murder and die for Allahu Akbar. That translates into 280 MILLIONS of crazed Muslim (mostly) men runnning around the world, ready to murder non-Muslims and apostates for Allahu Akbar and believe that it will make them into martyrs with the fast access to Muslim Paradise with 72 virgins and 12 pre-pubescent boys to do “as they please”. The Muslim Paradise is a nasty whotehouse unlike the Christian Paradise is floating angels singing nice music ;-) !

      Since there are now 50 millions of Muslims occupying Europe, there are 10 millions of Muslim nuts ready for murder and death in their jihad against the Western civilization. They had become so strong that France was shut down when cartoons describing truthgfully who Mohamed really was, were published in one of their newpapers. Whilte the Muslims disparage ALL non-Muslims they DEMAND respect for their vile “prophet” of the “most perfect and peaceful” religion ;-) ! They dish it out to Jews and Christians comparing them to dogs and monkeys, and want to murder them while when truth is known about Mohamed and Islam they go on murderous rampage!

      Everybody in the World should read Koran and Hadith from cover to cover and learn about the bloody history of Islamic conquest started by Mohamed who was a vile pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer who would be tried for his crimes in ANY decent society and not emulated as a role model. Islam IS at war with the Western civilization which promotes liberty and human rights for ALL and therefore is in danger from Muslim immigrants.

      • eddie47d

        GEA is trying to out radicalize the radicals. Some would say you are the dangerous one.

      • Gea

        Neil Kressel book “The Sons of Pigs and Apes”-Muslim Antisemitism and the Conspiracy of Silence describes well what is happening with Islam.

        From the 1950s through the 1990s, antisemitism everywhere seemed to be on the wane. Neil Kressel documents that the Muslim world has resurrected in recent decades almost every diatribe that more than two millennia of European hostility produced against the Jews, and it has introduced many homegrown and novel modes of attacking the Jews all over the world. Though it is impossible to determine precisely how many of the world’s 1.4 billion Muslims hold anti-Jewish beliefs, Kressel finds that much bigotry comes from the highest levels of religious and political leadership in the Muslim world.

        Compounding the problem, many in the West refuse to recognize this issue. The growing epidemic of Muslim hate of the Jews has been largely ignored, misunderstood, or downplayed, because of apathy, ignorance, confusion, bigotry, ideology, purported pragmatism, and misguided multiculturalism. Those who value human rights ignore antisemitism at their own risk, since no antisemitic regime or movement has ever been otherwise reasonable or progressive. Remember Mein Kampf and Hitler’s delusional Jew hatred, which is not very different from the current Muslim delusional Jew hatred.

        Kressel argues convincingly that Muslim antisemitism provides an acid test of the seriousness of Western liberalism. If the West fails to stem this growing tide, as now seems likely, future affairs will not go well for the true proponents of democracy. Kressel moves beyond sounding the alarm to explore the diverse religious, political, social, and psychological forces that have created and nurtured the new hostility to Jews in the Muslim world; he concludes with a bold and clear plan for what must be done to confront this hostility and delusional Jew hatred.

      • Karolyn

        I’d like to know where you got those ridiculous statistics – Rush Limbaugh?

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “GEA is trying to out radicalize the radicals. Some would say you are the dangerous one.”

        She is not advocating cutting off your head or burning your property so how is she so dangerous?

      • Vicki

        Karolyn says:
        “I’d like to know where you got those ridiculous statistics – Rush Limbaugh?”

        Wikipedia?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Muslim_population

        Or maybe here?
        http://muslimpopulation.com/World/

  • Gea

    Last week I had read Koran, which my 95 y old friend picked up in a downtown black mosque in midwest. 2 years ago I had read another copy of Koran, which was published in Arabic in Pakistan, leather bound, with english translation and commentary (Hadith).

    I first read this Koran after I heard that some pastor wanted to burn it and the whole hell broke lose blaming the Pastor for the future death of Americans if he went ahead with it. I spent 2 evennings last week reading Koranic suras, wich are like szizoid rantings of a mad-man, which they were, since it is believed that the suras were inspired by Mohamed’s prophecies. The Koran I read 2 years previously was even worse, since the hatred for the Jews and Christians is more pronounced. When I told my secular Muslim friend that she should reak Koran (she never did growing up in Bangladesh) she refused claiming that ALL “holly books” of all religions are just MAMBO JUMBO.

    Well, I had read holly books such as Hebrew Bible, Christiaa Bible, Buddhsit books, Book of Mormon, Bhagavat Ghita and a few others, and none is mamobo jumbo vile statements as Koran (and Hadith) are, filled with hatred of non-Muslims and commanding Muslims to engage into jihad, which is not an inner spiritualo struggle but cutting heads and busting people who do not submit to the “true” religion of Islam. Not all Muslims KNOW how vile Koran, Hadith and Mohamed were, or they would leave this supremacist ideology immediately.

    Islam MUST REFORM or has no place in any decent society that respects liberty and human rights. The 50 millions of Muslims in Europe are endangering Western civilization and must either reform or go back to the dysfunctional countries back home, which their nasty ideology of Islam had destroyed and corrupted. Islam IS at war with the Western civlization as the charter of Muslim Brotherhood clearly states: Their long range plan is to infiltrate America and destroy Western civilization from within, and replace is with the only true religion, Islam. They had already succeeded with having a BIG Muslim Brother in the Oval Office who is so skillful story teller that even with all the nasty stuff he had inspired, he got elected in US and gotten a Peace Prize, just as Arafat did before him.

    • TexasRide

      Gea, absolutely correct. People need to watch tonight on Dish Network, channel 212, The Project. muslim brotherhood documents reveal their plans for our country.

      • Gea

        The stated long range plan of the Muslim Brotherhood, whom Barak Hussein Obama gave $1.5 BILLIONS in Egypt and who are welcome guests in the Oval Office is:

        “The process of settlement is “Civilization Jihadist Process” and their work in America is a king of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying Western Civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and the Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”

        The Muslim Brotherhood is also a welcome guest in Barak Hussein Obama’s White house and administration and clearly responsible for the violent murders and destruction of Americans and American embassies in the Arab world. Obama had betrayed American values and American diplomats in the Arab world by not allowing US Marines to carry live munition to defend lives of American Ambassador in Libya. He should resign and not seek another 4 years in the position of ANY power. Actually he should be tried for treason.

      • eddie47d

        Some of what you say about Obama is still not true GEA as I told you last week. Apparently you do alot of talking but don’t know how to listen.

      • Kinetic1

        Gea,
        “… the Muslim Brotherhood, whom Barak Hussein Obama gave $1.5 BILLIONS in Egypt…”
        1st, the USAID has been giving Egypt an average of 2 Billion dollars a year since 1974. 2nd, While the Muslim Brotherhood did win a majority in the Parliament, they do not have rule over Egypt. Your assertion is akin to saying a gift given to our government is a gift for Republicans, just because they have more seats in Congress.

        The aid sent to Egypt wasn’t a decision made by the President, nor a gift for the Brotherhood, no matter what the right wing talking heads say.

      • Gordon

        “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Barrack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America

        The timeless battle continues. One must ask what has the prophet or Islam brought his followers when compared to what the God of Christianity has brought to His.

        Instead of vigorously defending the God given freedom that made you a great nation, your leader rejected the Christian God before the world and submitted your people to Islam.

        http://www.jdpendry.com/2012/09/30/dear-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JDPendry+%28JDs+Bunker%29

  • Thinking About

    Radicals such as Rush attacking Sandra Fluke is an example of radical behavior in the USA. No, she is not Jesus but he saw fit to rant and rave and get lots of others going. This does not excuse the attacking of any embassy or killing of anyone and is why everyone should think before jumping up and down and not having enough restraint to control emotions. Many are guilty of radical behavior, resulting in bad events occurring.

    • Vigilant

      Attempting to draw a parallel between Rush and Islamist violence shows, once again, that “Thinking About” thinks about as deeply as an imbecile.

      Free speech and license to kill, my friend, are two different things.

      • TexasRide

        Vigilant, spot on! Thinkingabout makes herself sound like a total imbecile.. She thinks getting Fluck’s bc pills paid for by the taxpayers, is more important than worldwide problems!

      • Thinking About

        The difference in the protest in the Middle East and Rush is simply Rush is too damn lazy to get out of the chair and take a stand in the street. It is hate no matter how you phrase it, I hear it often from radical christians and they spout hate all the time. It is the radical muslims rising up and it is the radical christians whining and yelling. What is the difference, not much, except the location.

      • Vicki

        Thinking About doesn’t and says:
        “Radicals such as Rush attacking Sandra Fluke is an example of radical behavior in the USA.”

        That must be why the Tea Party protests are so much different than the occupy ones. Our radicals are really nice people. And pointing out that Sandra should pay for her own medicine is hardly an “attack”

        TA then provides further proof of his thinking ability by saying:
        “The difference in the protest in the Middle East and Rush is simply Rush is too damn lazy to get out of the chair and take a stand in the street.”

        How much effort is it to be peaceful? No need for lazy. Just smart enough to know that you can talk to a LOT more people on a good radio show then standing on a little soap box on some lonely street corner.

        TA: “It is hate no matter how you phrase it, I hear it often from radical christians and they spout hate all the time.”

        Hate is an emotion that can only be felt by people. It can not be in words or speech. It can only be stopped by the people when they choose to NOT hate.

        TA: “It is the radical muslims rising up and it is the radical christians whining and yelling. What is the difference, not much, except the location.”

        Oh I think that the people who have their property burned to the ground and or their heads cut off might rather have had radical Christians whining and yelling to radical Muslims burning and pillaging. YOU might even prefer that after some radical Muslims come to YOUR location. Course you may not have a head to think with by then. Oh.. Wait.

  • Sgt. York

    Film,Film you have it wrong your blame is false given to you by your enemies,the Muslim fanatics who want you seduced by false blame. Your blame should be aimed at Islam and its fanatic so called religious groups. They were taking,what they call revenge for our killings and a celebration for there Victory of 9/11. You see it was a celebration of a Islamic victory teaching the infidels that the Islamic coming is very near. They are using there standing so called high priest,O’Vomit to help deliver the infidels to the great religion. Wake up America we are at War whether you like it or not. Not paying attention will not make this better,that’s O’Vomits way of lulling you to sleep as the master plan calls for this is a War to maintain Americas Freedoms and our life with a Constitution for freedom WE MUST WIN THIS WAR,those who disagree with us must be repatriated or sent away.
    boys its time to count your guns,keeping your powder dry,lock and load and take sharp aim,its Americas Freedom that is at stake

  • Louis Lemieux

    We all have our reasons for thinking what were thinking and for being what we are. Being a liberal, conservative, Muslim, Jew or Christian has nothing to do with being a good or bad person. Why support violence through words or actions? All of us humans on earth form one great family and that in spite of all our religious, political and ideological differences. We do have to protect ourselves from those who’s purpose in life is to harm others, too many people still function with the primitive parts of their brain, so they act like animals because all they know are the basic survival skills and greed. They fail to realize that happiness is peace and peace is kindness and goodwill to all.

    • JA

      Well Said. Hopefully more and more people will understand words like this.

      • Karolyn

        Unfortunately, there will always be those who advocate for “Nuking them all!” People whose hatred outweighs their true nature, which is that of peace.

      • GALT

        It seems we have been “nuking” them……..via “depleted uranium”…….a process
        which is probably too slow for most “patriots”………but the real goal is that the
        expected genetic mutations will result in “two heads”, thereby making identification and
        tracking easier………not to mention greater success and ease regarding airport security!

  • Robert

    Ignorance is what I read above. Egypt and Libya were peaceful prosperous countries until the CIA and other European services started foment in both countries at the request of the moneyed interests in Britain and the U.S. This foment was then used as an excuse for the West to send in the military, which totally destroyed previously beautiful areas of the those countries. Don’t blame the people who live there, blame those who created the atrocities. What would you be doing right now if this had happened to your country, your neighborhood?

    • orples

      Ron Paul was the only Candidate that understood this, and would have brought and end to our invasions of other Nations. I agree. America has been the aggressor and now we are seeing the ‘blow back’ that Ron Paul warned us about. For those that think Ron Paul had no clue in regards to Foreign Policy, they are the very ones that should put the shoe on the other foot and, indeed, ask themselves, “What would I do, if another Nation came here and bombed my house and killed my family?” I bet they would be ready to take up arms and seek vengeance themselves. How then, can we fault other Nations for fighting back, when that is exactly what we are doing to them?

    • Warrior
    • Don G

      Robert, what is a “foment.” Yours is a most interesting rant, because in addition to poor English usage, you have invented a story that might make a good fantasy movie, but is devoid of truth. Nobody invaded Egypt, or destroyed any part thereof. There are not too many beautiful places to destroy in the first place, other than a couple of nice hotels in Alex. I would qualify one point, evidently Obama sent some American operatives to Egypt to help the ouster of Mubarek. The same ones who turned on their benefactor Obama and others still in Egypt. The fantasies you harbour in your limited mind are typical of fanatics of all colors.

      • Karolyn

        fo·ment (f-mnt)
        tr.v. fo·ment·ed, fo·ment·ing, fo·ments
        1. To promote the growth of; incite.
        2. To treat (the skin, for example) by fomentation.

    • TexasRide

      Egypt and Libya….peaceful and prosperous???

      I think you have got it wrong. The middle east has never been “peaceful.” If they are not killing Americans these tribes are killing each other! These so called countries are mostly not countries, as we think of countries, they are made-up of tribes that have fought each other for Centuries.

      As for prosperity, there is wide-spread illteracy and poverty throughout most of the middle east. Any prosperity Egypt has had came because it belonged to the British empire, until they could no longer afford to support the millions of slackers! Then, along came the Americans to dump a lot of tax-dollars in their laps… Lets not get carried away about how prosperous and peaceful this cult makes the lives of those it controls.

      • Tim

        France and G.B are paying for their unemployed Muslim youth now too. Their violence there will be our violence here when they have sufficient numbers.

  • Sean

    Islam teaching is the problem because it destroys human values. Quran, gives Muslims the right to take properties and women of the nonbelievers. I witnessed that myself first hand when a Master’s degree student from a Muslim country in London was steeling apples from a grocery store and bragging that was allowed according to sharia. The religion instructs Muslims to kill and terrorize the nonbelievers. It allows men to marry four and as many as they can own of women hence destroying the love and respect between a man and a woman tied by marriage bond and the list goes on.

    • Flashy

      “Quran, gives Muslims the right to take properties and women of the nonbelievers. I witnessed that myself first hand when a Master’s degree student from a Muslim country in London was steeling apples from a grocery store and bragging that was allowed according to sharia.” <— Sean

      So if i found someone in prison or being arrested professing to be of the christian faith and they said that the bible said their thefts were OK….

  • http://aol.com sean murry

    Screw those people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/CherelAnn7 Shirley Ann Smith-Rhodes

    We are at war for the very life of our country! Obama is a muslim! I believe that Obama hates the U. S. Military! I believe that he feels threatened by them because they have each individually sworn an oath to defend and uphold the constitution of the U. S. I don’t care where Obama was born! I don’t care that Obama was an Indonesian Citizen! The one fact that Obama accepts and states repeatedly is that his father was a Kenyan Citizen! What’s wrong? He is not a child of two U. S. Citizens! DISQUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!
    It is obvious that our Congress is complicit in this fraud by the sheer act of their failure to remove Obama from office! We all make our super-intelligent observations that he is trying to make us a Marxist Nation – a Communist Nation – a Socialist Nation, etc. etc. How long will we rant and comment on these theories! We are ALL WRONG! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! Those labels are not his goal! These “systems” are his means…. his method to weaken us, bankrupt us, destroy us, and take over America!
    His only goal is to make us a MUSLIM CALIPHATE with SHARIA LAW! I am convinced that we have never, ever understood the purpose of FAST AND FURIOUS! Under the guise of our thoughts that it was to sell arms to the drug lords in Mexico, Obama, et al, were able to arm the muslim terrorists who cross our borders daily! This removal of our borders to allow free move-ment has brought in countless millions of muslims, terrorists, who have set up camps and train-ing centers within our borders! These muslims have busily built mosques everywhere! They have set up centers within our schools, our colleges and our universities! They are “in place” throughout our government! They pretty much run the day to day operations of much of the Im-migration Service! They run the taxis in most major cities… They run the hotels and motels throughout our country! The baggage handlers and much of the staff of our Airports are muslim workers. Obama’s right hand is an active Iranian muslim, Valerie Jarrett! Clinton’s right hand, Huma Abedin, is an active muslim Brotherhood person! The muslims have taken over large parts of Michigan, as well as many other states! Hey fellow American citizens, WE ARE AT WAR!
    In the words of Abraham Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address, “Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long en-dure” WE ARE AT WAR! We must organize! This election is unimportant! Obama will not leave office without a fight! If he loses, He will declare a National Emergency and institute “Martial Law” but he will retain office! Believe me! NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD CITIZENS TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY” Skip the elections and politics as usual! Let’s begin with honest, constant prayer for the Hand of God to guide us! Let’s unite and circulate petitions within Congress that cannot be ignored! If they do not act quickly, let’s find a General or a group of Generals within our military who will muster the troops and step in and remove the whole gang and take over our government until honest elections can be run! These United States Military are “Our guys” They have sworn to uphold the United States Constitution! These are our brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, cousins, families! Let’s be a real “Tea Party”! Again, in the words of President Lincoln, “we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom— and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

    • Tim

      Bless you Shirley, you make me proud to be a true American

    • Kinetic1

      SAS-R
      “This election is unimportant! Obama will not leave office without a fight! If he loses, He will declare a National Emergency and institute “Martial Law” but he will retain office!”
      Really? This is the same claim the far left made about Bush. It’s empty, inflammatory rhetoric spread by power hungry, manipulative leaders and their fearful, ignorant followers.

      • Flashy

        Kinetic…when Pres. Obama is given his second term..the wail will be “he would have!”. Akin to the theory he has a Master Plan to take away guns…shown by the fact he has hasn’t proposed anti gun legislation or policy as yet. See…because he hasnt is proof he will !

    • eddie47d

      Wow ,Shirley “millions of Muslim terrorist at our border”. Lie much? Here I thought J Edgar Hoover had an evil side in pushing his personal propaganda. You are now the new winner.

    • nc

      Shirley ann smith Rhodes. you can believe and say anything you choose to! It’s in the Constitution but even the Conctitution does not make your beliefs correct or even the majority opinion of your fellow Americans! And as a result , what you believe may not be what is best for our country! A poll out today says that just because Romney says Obama is a failure does not make it so in the eyes of the a majority of Americans! In fact, according to the poll, 64% of Americans think that assessmwnt by Romney is not the truth! While that is not the majority opinion of this site, this site may
      not the pulse of the nation!
      There are over 1.3 billion Muslims in the world who are not obligated to like us and a large part of them don’t “like us” for a variety of reasons. How many American lives are we willing to sacrafice to make the “like us ” ?Which country(countries) should we invade first to make them “like us’? Do you think more or less of them “like us” since bush invaded two Muslim controlled countries? I’m guessing fewer of them like us! There are only 49 more Muslim controlled countries left in the world! Whose children are you ready to sacrifice to make them ‘Like’us” if you feel that Obama has been wrong not to do differently than he has done what countries should he invade with our citizens??? Romney says the answer is to do business with them but then “business’ is all he seems to know. And only then if he kill businesses to make other businesses grow! What do we do with the employees, who are citizens ,fathers and husbands responsible for others, who lose their jobs in the ROMNEY ECONOMIC PLAN HE HAS PRACTICED FOR HIS WHOLE LIFE????REMEBER THE bush republican plan didn’t do what the republicans promised it would do for the country!!

    • Karolyn

      Shirley – You poor thing.

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      Shirley Ann: That was a bit too dramatic, but at least it’s obvious you are a patriot. Many of the comments on this site are from muslims, muslim sympathizers, socialists, and communists. It is important that every true patriot be well armed. This country is more divided than at any time since the Civil War, and sooner or later, those arms will be necessary for survival Four more years of Obama (maybe only one more year) will create ecomonic meltdown in this country, and violent riots and home invasions will be common. Food and gasoline prices will be much higher than they already are, and the strong and evil will prey upon the old and the weak.

  • Tom Cook

    Muhammed was a pig: pederast, murderous, primitive freak. Islam is a disgusting ignorant savage cult. We need to stop treating these greasy stupid scum with kid gloves. We need to prohibit any more of them from entering our nation and post monitors at their mosks and arrest any of their witch doctors for treason and sediton if they preach jee-haw.

    • Tigerous

      If you have a chance, read “The Truth about Muhammad” by Robert Spencer. It cites the history of Islam every Muslim knows, and the Qur’an, Hadith and Sura, to establish the truth Islam tries to deny. In addition to Tom Cook’s allegations, Muhammad was a fraud who used after-the-fact “revelations” to excuse his really, really bad behaviour. Play the video at http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2734278%3AVideo%3A406782&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_video
      for an articulate response to Islamic wingeing I wish our western “leaders” had the stones to say.

      • TexasRide

        Tigerous, it is no wonder that as we speak, politicians (like hillary) are trying to pass “a worldwide law” making it a CRIME to speak-out against islam!

        That would include getting rid of our freedom of speech to appease other countries that are 8,000-miles away. It would also be a step toward giving the power to a One World Government to make laws for all nations.

      • Flashy

        “…well-known Muslim American scholar Moustafa Zayed struck back by releasing the anticipated book “The Lies about Muhammad,” in which he refuted, paragraph by paragraph, all false claims and allegations about Muhammad and Islam in the well-publicized Islam-bashing book “The Truth about Muhammad” by Robert Spencer.

        “..an example: In his book, Mr. Spencer brought a verse from the Quran, claiming that it proves that Islamic law mandates male witnesses of “sexual immortality” in order to support the male criminal! It appears that Mr. Spencer has intentionally omitted the first sentence of the verse that shows it is only related to recording debts!”

        Sigh….sad when christians have to legitimize their intolerance by lying. hey wait…this is exactly the tactic what the American Taliban uses in attacking President Obama!

        seems the American Taliban is as intolerant of those who believe different as any other extremist religious group

      • Vicki

        Flashy. We may be intolerant but we don’t cut off your head when you offend us.

    • Flashy

      “Muhammed was a pig: pederast, murderous, primitive freak.” ,—Tom Cook

      And your proof of this is ?

      • Vicki

        History.

    • Kinetic1

      TC,
      Your ignorance and lack of respect for the beliefs of others (not to mention the English language) speaks volumes. This is the sort of rhetoric that continues to drive the hate on both sides.

      • Tag

        When the ‘belief’s” of others starts killing our Americans then something should be done to stop that activity. Because these Islamic nations have such barbaric culture and practices we don’t have any business being ‘over there’ – they are NOT going to change, they like the way they are and look at the freedom it gives them – if they don’t like what one of their children is doing they just kill her, OR the wife. We should not be over there and if they infringe on OUR beliefs then we should just follow the theory that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line and nuke the crap out of them. Bottom line!

      • Gea

        Mohamed married Aisha when she was and he was 51, and had sex with her when she was 9 y olf and he was 54. In addition Mohamed was married to additional 11 wives (12 total) one of them being a 17-y young Jewish woman forced to have sex with Mohamed a few hours after he got her husband beheaded together with 900 other Jewish men and boys whom Mohamed hated because they rejected him as THEIR prophet.

        In any decent society, this criminal and vile man would be tried for crimes of multiple murders, rapes, pedophilia and polygamy and not emulate as a role model and the “Final prophet”" of his “most perfect and peaceful” religion. The sharia is a medieval evil rules which promote pedophilia polygamy, misogyny, “honor” murder and murder for Allahu Akbar. Jerry Sundasky should have gone to Saudi Arabia or Iran, where he could have up to 4 wives (of any age) and molest legally unlimited number of boys, as long as they do not have facial hairs. Homosexuality between adult consenting adults is punishable by death by hanging since man is not supposed to allow sexual penetration.

        Islam ITSELF is incompatible with the US Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and has no place in any society that respects liberty and human rights unless it REFORMS. Islam DEMANDS respect that it NEVER gives to ANY non-Muslims or women! Barak Hussein Obama is a traitor of American values and a traitor of American diplomats rights and should resign. However, since Mohamed urges Muslims to lie when they live among non-Muslim majorities, Barak Hussein Obama had perfected his use of taqiyya (lies among non-Muslims) to a maximum and knows how to tell everybody what they want to hear. America better get this man out of any position of power before it is too late Obama is helping CAIR to white wash Islam and subvert US Constitution under the guise of “respect for Islam”, which this supremacist ideology similar to Nazi ideology does not deserve.

      • TexasRide

        Kinectic I hope you don’t respect a savage cult that calls for the murder of Americans!

      • Flashy

        Texas….would that apply to the christian denominations which call for the killing of AMERICAN doctors who are pro Choice practitioners?

      • eddie47d

        I’d like to see a time when we as Americans aren’t killing Muslims. Think that is possible Texas Ride.

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “I’d like to see a time when we as Americans aren’t killing Muslims. Think that is possible Texas Ride.”

        There are 3 ways to accomplish that for you Eddie. Obama is hard at work on one that seems popular with Muslims and Liberals.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “Texas….would that apply to the christian denominations which call for the killing of AMERICAN doctors who are pro Choice practitioners?”

        Pro Choice practicioners? You mean those people that murder babies both born and un-born?

      • http://patriotupdate major

        I respect the belief’s of others if they aren’t comprised of a hate and a determination to make me their slave or behead me if I don’t bow to their god.If you disagree with me you should study their Quran and get educated on what they must do to be a true muslim. Europe wiil soon fall to these Muslims because of the birth rate a high of 1.8to a low of 1.2 this low rate cannot sustain a culture.Muslim birthe rate in Europe 8.3 Canada is going to be lost America a little over two and that is with hispanics counted in. this is factual and it is scary. They are truely brainwashed their first Jihad was stopped i think 732AD by Markel the Hammer of France or we would be speaking Arabic,Vienna played a big role in stopping them also. They wont stop until put down again, there can never be peace with them by their own choosing.

    • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

      Tom: I agree with that, but it isn’t going to happen as long as Obama is President.

  • cawmun cents

    Yes the Pharisees(Judaism)were so devoted to their religion that Christ called them whitewashed tombs.
    When we set out to kill for an idea….that is wrong.
    There is no excuse that can be made for these people.
    Though I realize that some people feel differently than I do about this action,I know what it is to have a modicum of decency.
    These Muslim folks who are easily gathered and made angry by such a thing as they are angry about are mostly the uneducated….which unfortunately for their entire religion,seems to be in the majority,and not the minority,although I cannot establish that as fact.
    But their devisiveness and tendency to be easily offended are traits which we do not see in most of the major religions of the world.Yet you make excuses for them because of who they are.Often in a vain attempt to make it seem as of there are actually similar comparisons to be drawn.
    You will draw your comparisons with the two sperate views,however,one teaches folks to murder others by strapping bombs to oneself and blowing them up in a crowded venue.
    Not just the occasional thing,but nearly every day,we hear of a person attaching a bomb to themselves and killing other folks.
    Additionally we have separate sects which kill each other regularly in many varying and differing nations.
    Of course many other religions encite the samen types of fanaticism,but nowhere,I repeat,nowhere near to the degree which Islam does.
    So in an effort to seem as if there is actual parity where none exists,you say this and that to draw your conclusions about defining religions by their behavior.
    But if you had a kid in your neighborhood who was a Christian,would you fear that he might strap a bomb to his back and explode it at the store?
    Not likely.
    Similarly if you saw some Muslim folks rocket attacking the next countries cities in a Christian neighborhood,and when the other country attacks back and kills only Christians,would you write about that in your newspaper?
    Maybe.But not if you hated the Christians.Then you would write a story about how the folks in that other country killed Muslims in an attempt to make it sound as if the Muslims had a real beef with the folks in that other country,depote the fact that you knew what happened,and then you would go on international television,and make it look as if the Muslims had siffered greatly and that it was that other countries fault that the Muslims had rocket attacked it.That is the same type of logic which you are using here.
    Cheers!
    -CC.

    • TexasRide

      You are correct cawmun about a lot of things. The most important comment was that these cult members are illiterate and uneducated (and many times high on drugs when they riot and kill.)

      Their prophet was also illiterate and uneducated. He was unable to read or write. He had others write down his laws and read them back. I have read that his own mother said that he was the “spawn of the devil” and she would have nothing to do with him. Indeed, what is said about his being a savage murderer and a pedophile (to include both boys and girls.) The most devout cult members are still doing what the prophet told them to do.

      Anyone, has to be out of his mind, to try to compare this savage cult and its leaders to Christianity taught in our local churches.

      • Flashy

        Their prophet was also illiterate and uneducated. He was unable to read or write.

        And JC could read and write?

      • Tim

        It’s a matter of fact that their lovely prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl too….so sad.

      • Flashy

        Joesph Smith took the lam when he was accused of having sex with underage girls. You going to say the same about the founder of the Mormon Church and call it a fake religion and cal for its extermination?

        Also, you might do well to remember in the days of the age when Mohammed and JC walked around…marriage and relations to young children was not a sin or against the societal mores of the time.

        Now..care to relate who told you that Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old girl?

      • Tim

        Marriage and relations to young children not a sin…you’re on drugs

      • TexasRide

        F-Man, Jesus Christ could do anything he wanted!

      • KG

        JC was like ……Chuck Norris! He could slam a revolving door!

      • deerinwater

        It’s long been understood, true prophets don’t write.

    • http://patriotupdate major

      Islam is the antetheis of Christianity, and whomever argues Islam is a religion of peace if left alone are fools and are helping spread this Evil, just read their so-called holy book and there wont be any doubts.

  • Richie Gekko

    Coincidently the day this is posted is the same day ol Mitt is blasting Obama about the Middle East? What Myers is saying here isn’t new by any means but everyday that violence erupts in the Middle East is another empty promise Obama gave three years ago.

    • Jeanette

      Oh, he promised, all right! He promised to stand with the Muslims (presumably against the non-Muslims, since there are only those two kinds of people in the world) in his “Dreams” book. And he’s shown us how he favors Muslims over Christians, from bowing to them to canceling the National Day of Prayer and having a bunch of Muslims praying in the White House instead.

      How proud his anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-white mother must be.

  • Kinetic1

    First, let’s put to rest the half truths about the video. The right wing talking heads make a big point of the fact that the video hit YouTube back in July. With that they are suggesting that it could not have been the spark that started the violence. What they fail to note is that the video was not dubbed in Arabic until early September, at which point it was picked up and aired on Islamic television on Sept. 8th.

    Now to the nonsense of comparing the reaction of the Christian world to jokes about Jesus to the reaction of the Islamic world to jokes about their prophet. These are two different religions with two very different sets of rules. Well, maybe not that different.

    “In all the Abrahamic religions idolatry is strongly forbidden, although views as to what constitutes idolatry may differ within and between them. In other religions the use of cult images is accepted, although the term “idolatry” is unlikely to be used within the religion, being inherently disapproving. Which images, ideas, and objects constitute idolatry is often a matter of considerable contention, and within all the Abrahamic religions the term may be used in a very wide sense, with no implication that the behavior objected to actually consists of the religious worship of a physical object.
    Behavior considered idolatrous or potentially idolatrous may include the creation of any type of image of the deity, or of other figures of religious significance such as prophets, saints, and clergy, the creation of images of any person or animal at all, and the use of religious symbols, or secular ones. In addition, theologians have extended the concept to include giving undue importance to aspects of religion other than God, or to non-religious aspects of life in general, with no involvement of images specifically.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolatry

    So as Christians, we too have our rules about representations of God and Jesus, rules about worshiping statues of saints, etc. The difference is that we, due to the various corruptions of the church turned our back on these rules and, in some cases began embracing these false idols as part of our Christian faith! Most sects of Islam, on the other hand are still very strict about their faith and the rules that guide it. The level of offense is far beyond what we understand. As one Iraqi I know said, “Harm a man’s family and he is obligated to avenge them. Offend his religion and it is worse than harming a member of his family.” We’re talking about millions of people who stop everything they are doing to pray in unison every day. When was the last time you found a group of Christians so devoted to their church? Now I’m not suggesting that Muslims are better than Christians, only that they are raised to be far more adherent to the teachings of their religion. Even their governments adhere to the teachings of Islam. Now consider the emotions, the desperation of a nations people where unemployment and poverty are at levels unheard of in the Western world and you have a time-bomb.

    There’s no excuse for the actions taken against Americans in Egypt, Syria, and the rest, but neither is their an excuse for Christians who, knowing the teachings of Islam and the emotions of the Islamic people publicly burn the Koran or produce films, not just questioning the prophet Muhammad, but presenting him as a child molester, a dolt and a fraud. This film was not created to educate, but to offend and encourage unrest in the Middle East. One might even question whether this film was meant to create trouble and damage President Obama’s reputation in foreign policy leading up to the election.

    • GALT

      Actually, there is an “excuse”………although more precisely a clearly visible path
      toward a reasonable explanation……..for which all persistent “mythologies” share
      culpability………

      You have your finger on a piece of it, christianity has undergone quite a few challenges
      that Islam has NOT had to deal with yet……….but the results are only slightly better….
      in that the “christian extremist’s” have backed off a bit from wholesale slaughter….and
      now only kill “abortion providers”……..but the deficient mentality on the part of some,
      is still present………..

      Islam has NOT undergone it’s “protestant revolution” with regard to the internal mechanism of it’s “faith”……….primarily because the majority of it’s adherents are
      illiterate……..which leaves the “interpretation” of Islam to the “mullahs” and this further
      complicated by the line ” But have you read it in the original arabic. ” which is
      an expertise confined to the fewer still……….with plenty of room for mischief.

      Islam, unlike christianity……..still professes to believe in a “powerful god”, which christians
      ended finally with the Treaty of Westphalia in 1648…….and ended the theocratic connection between church and state……castrating Rome or ( The vatican ) from it’s
      political influences…….where god “ceased to be powerful, and by necessity became good.” Nietzche

      Unfortunately, christianity as a whole, has not actually accepted this REALITY…..and
      are not content with a non powerful god……..nor are they mature enough in their
      faith to allow their god to actually be the “judge” of their fellow man and this creates
      problems…………with potential equal to that of Islam should we revert.

      In the U.S. this is compounded by statements like “Islam is a great religion.” because
      this is the wrong thing to say………and diplomatically foolish and downright stupid.

      As a nation we need to stress that……..freedom of worship is extended to everyone,
      and that there is a strict wall between church and state………

      If you choose to believe that god is the judge, then let him/her/it do the job, certainly
      such a powerful god does not require puny human assistance……..clearly eternal reward
      or punishment should be sufficient………no matter what the crime?

      At this point, Islamic governments are made directly responsible for the actions of
      terrorists REGARDLESS of whether motivations are political or actually religious……..
      and then it can be made clear that there are “consequences” for such actions…….
      since the message is consistent…….and “hypocrisy” has been eliminated, as
      least as far as it concerns “government actions”.

      Actual maturity on the part of christians and islamists may take a bit longer……..

      “To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and then HANG, separately. )

      • http://alsina846.wordpress.com millie

        KG you are a dork

      • KG

        Ill take that as a compliment ;)

      • Kinetic1

        GALT,
        The “direct lineage” of Islam did occur to me as I was writing, and I’m glad you took that path. Clearly, though much of civilization developed in the middle east, poverty and ignorance have done much to prevent our worlds form growing together.

        Once again referencing my acquaintance from Iran, it seems that most people in Iran are as ignorant as we are of them. The average citizen’s view of the U.S. is based on what the Government and media allow them to see. As a result, many of them believe that we all ride horses and have a six shooter strapped to our hips. Women in California are all blond and tan. We all know this is ridiculous, but so is the idea that Iranians all own camels. That was the belief of this man’s American Grandfather-in-law. He tried to explain that growing up in Tehran was much like growing up in any other major city, but to no avail.

        One more thing when considering the Islamic world’s view of America; preemptive strikes. Since 2004 an average of 50 to 100 innocents have been killed in drone strikes in Pakistan, a nation we are not “officially” at war with. Since the Bush administration began their policy of preemptive strikes, drones fly 24 hours a day. Yes, our government swears that they only target imminent threats, but that does little for the average citizen who just happens to be within the blast zone of a hell fire missile. Doctors won’t travel to a strike zone for over 6 hours for fear of a second strike. Families are reluctant to attend funerals, friends fear gathering in groups of more than three. The hum of drones overhead reminds innocent Pakistanis that, should there be anyone near them that is considered an enemy of the U.S., they could become collateral damage. If another nation was treating us this way, how would we feel? If it were an Islamic nation and our church leaders told us that these drones were there because we were Christians and they want to eliminate us, what would you choose to believe? Islamic extremists are a real threat to the U.S. and can’t be ignored, but we do ourselves no favors when we give them “evidence” to justify their actions. We can’t use our safety as an excuse to terrorize a another nation, then turn around and condemn terrorism.

      • GALT

        I am not or was not disputing the political reasoning for terrorism or cultural resentment
        of any kind for those who have experienced the “wonders” of colonization, by self proclaimed superior and or civilized powers……

        It is unfortunate that these grievances which are valid must be expressed in terms of
        “religion”, or metaphysical belief systems, or mystical belief systems…….

        It is extremely difficult to penetrate one level of ignorance, let alone multiple levels which are further manipulated for means of expediency simply because the conditions of “relative and or willfull ignorance” is available to be exploited.

        For Islam itself, this is a bad tactical error……..for their grievances are legitimate, and to
        allow them to become entangled with religious ideology simply distracts from the
        legitimacy of their claims while providing a convenient path to give those who seek to
        escape responsibility……to resolve this matter by other means!

        We are faced with a dichotomy similar to that of the problem being “government or
        “corrupt government” as the cause……..and failure to resolve this simply leads to the
        chaos which favors the “status quo”…….who are at the root of all problems……it simply becomes a matter of who benefits…….the victims do not, nor will they, in this
        circumstance.

        IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH……..extermination follows.

      • http://none Charlie

        GALT,,,
        Very intellectual write ,,,but,,,full of errors ,,,Biblically speaking … What are you going to be when you grow up ? a Preacher?…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • eddie47d

      Excellent call Kinetic and even Galt. Then Millie chimes in and heads straight for the name calling. She obviously isn’t looking for any intelligence and offered none.

      • JeffH

        …nor do you…

      • eddie47d

        A Millie defender …idiots of a feather stick together right Jeff.

  • Jeremy Leochner

    It is so very sad. Some people who proclaim themselves to be Muslim and who believe Islam is a religion which condones violence and murder go out to commit terrorism while using a stupid film as justification. These people are idiots and cowards. Sadly there actions are often taken as a measure of all Muslims. That some how either all Muslims must be like these terrorists or if they are not then they must speak out against it in order to justify trust in them. Our enemy is terrorists who are insane. Islam is not our enemy. As an agnostic I believe all religions are the product of human beings. As such they reflect the duality of humanity. There is good and bad aspects to a religion just as there are good and bad aspects to people. The quran contains with in itself contradictions regarding violence. While it says

    “Goodness and evil are not equal.
    Repel evil with what is better.
    Then that person with whom there was hatred,
    may become your intimate friend!
    And no one will be granted such goodness
    except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,
    none but people of the greatest good fortune.”
    Quran 41:34-35

    The Quran also says ““And slay them wherever ye catch them..” (2:191)

    It is a contradictory text. However I feel at the end of the day what matters is what individuals believe. I have friends who are Muslim who are kind and loving people. They attribute who they are to their religion and their prophet. I take them as the measure of Islam, not terrorists. And I read such Quran passages as

    “Invite all to the way of your Lord
    with wisdom and beautiful preaching.
    And argue with them
    in ways that are best and most gracious…
    And if you punish,
    let your punishment be proportional
    to the wrong that has been done to you.
    But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.”Quran 16:125-128

    and

    “The recompense for an injury
    is an injury equal thereto (in degree),
    but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation,
    his reward is due from God,
    for God loves not those who do wrong.”-Quran 42:40-43

    Our war should be with terrorists, not Islam. Islam is not the enemy. Extremists are.

    • Robert Smith

      “The Quran also says ““And slay them wherever ye catch them..” (2:191)”

      “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live” (Exodus 22:18),

      “I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent.” Timothy 2:11

      “But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.” (Deuteronomy 22: 20-21)

      “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.” (Leviticus 20:9)

      Rob

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith might notice that people claiming to be Christians stopped burning witches over 100 years ago.

    • eddie47d

      Some religious folks sure do love them stones. Nowadays its a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other or a Koran in one hand and a gun in the other. See the extremists do have something in common.

      • JeffH

        Your comment is just another example of repeat what you hear or what you read…in other words, stupid is as stupid does! DUH!

      • eddie47d

        We all know Jeff will have a gun in his hand and is not scared to use it. LOL

    • Ted G

      Jeremy thats just total BS.

      Until every muslim country eliminates the laws based on Sharia such as Death for Blasphemy, or death for insults to the islamic prophet or islam, for or changing his religion, for not wearing the veil, or for minimum prison sentences for murdering your wife, daughter or grandchildren for not being muslim enough, oh the list goes on. And what year is this now 2012.

      Until all these insane laws are off the books then we should absolutely be at war with islam.

      Your attempts to paint islam as just another religion with a few objectionable verses is insulting.

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      Does it also say “You may Lie to Infidel” so how could you believe anything a Satan worshiper says, EVER !! Like Abomination the Illegal Kenyan Born Marxist Sunni Muslim Half Breed Anti American White hater.

  • phideaux

    “That’s lucky for Fatima — although, I am not too sure what she is going to do with the 72 virgins that are waiting for her.”

    Maybe she was homosexual.

    “The opposition leaders in this war are crazed religious fanatics who have already demonstrated they are crazy enough to blow up themselves —”

    No, the leaders were smart enough to talk others into blowing themselves up.

    • KG

      Islam is not the problem. It’s the greedy, Religious, Military, and Political leaders. When ever you have an oppressed people, you are going to have violence. It happened in America, It can happen anywhere. What leaders need to know is that man want’s to be free.

      Oh, BTW, if we looked at the Christian world of about 1100 c.e. people in the rest of the world would have thought of Christians as some people think of Islam today. But, it was OK then, cause it was in the name of JESUS. Let’s see what the bible has to say about that:

      Nazism

      Now
      go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs
      to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and
      infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

      Imperialism

      For the LORD your God will bless you [Israel] as he has promised … You will rule over many nations, but none will rule over you.Deuteronomy 15:6When
      the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers to
      give you — a land with large, flourishing cities that you did not
      build, houses filled with all kinds of good things that you did not
      provide, wells that you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves
      that you did not plant — then when you eat and are satisfied, be
      careful that you do not forget the LORD…
      Deuteronomy 6:10-12

      Monopolism

      Do not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.Exodus 34:14

      Amoralism

      So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father [after they got him drunk and seduced him].Genesis 19:36And if [God] rescued Lot, a righteous(!)
      man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men, for that
      righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his
      righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard.
      2 Peter 2:7-8

      Racism

      The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it.”Exodus 12:43At
      the end of every seven years you must cancel debts. Every creditor
      shall cancel the loan he has made to his fellow Israelite. He shall not
      require payment from his fellow Israelite or brother, because the
      LORD’s time for canceling debts has been proclaimed. You may require
      payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your [Israelite] brother owes you.
      Deuteronomy 15:1-3

      It would seem as though the so-called ‘Christian’ bible has as much violence and greed as any other religious book.

      • Linda

        The Christian Bible is the New Testement. Dork.

      • KG

        Sorry Linda – you cant get away from that.

        1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

        2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

        3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

        3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

        3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

        4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)

        5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

        6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

        7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

        8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).

        9) “…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, John 10:35

        Have you killed you unruly children yet?

      • Ted G

        This line alone sets up your whole premise.

        “Islam is not the problem. It’s the greedy, Religious, Military, and Political leaders”

        Everything after that is predicated on this line. So if this line is complete and utter BS (my opinion) then what comes after is spouting nonsense.

      • Floridastorm

        You’re talking about 1,100 AD. This is 2012 almost 1,000 years later. Everyone was a barbarian in 1,100 AD. The Muslims are still barbarians in 2012. That’s the difference between Islam and Christianity.

      • KG

        So Mubarak WASNT greedy? So Qadafy wasn’t a Military leader? So Hassan is not a Sado Masachist? What are you trying to say?

      • Jeanette

        So, KG, are you a Muslim, or just a Muslim sympathizer? The rest of us will do whatever we can to prevent the Muslims from getting their Islamic World Caliphate. Eleven years lived in Saudi Arabia was enough to show me what life would be like under the IWC: a permanent Dark Age, regardless of what Obama says in an effort to keep our attention diverted, and regardless of any Bible verses from a couple of thousand years ago – also to keep our attention diverted.

      • TexasRide

        KG, you must be living in another world if you think islam is NOT A PROBLEM! This cult is a barbarian, savage form of government. No matter how hard you try to defend it, your efforts are only WASTED!

        There is NO EXCUSE you can give for the behavior we see in these middle east countries! And, the muslim brotherhood wants to bring THAT to our cities! They want to bring the world under their power because their cult demands it! The muslim brotherhood has a plan it is called “The Project!” Watch what it is about, on Dishnetwork tonight, channel 212.

        Meyers is right, we must stop coddling terrorist, making excuses for their cult, and get all of them out of our country. We have no idea how many “sleeper cells” have embedded themselves in our towns or who belongs to them (maybe even your neighbors.) They have made their intentions extremely CLEAR! They are the enemy we must fight, so we Americans can keep our country!
        The progressive radicals and these radical terrorists have combined their efforts. They have the same agenda! The progressive enlist the “cult” to commit the violence that they are unwilling to do themselves.

      • ggswede

        KG,are you an atheist ? Or are you one of those people that likes to debate or split hairs on every issue ? Why don’t you do a complete comparison of activities by both;Islam vs Christianity ,during the 20 th century ? Side by side,I dare you .

      • KG

        umm the Republicans have made their intentions clear. By trying to destroy the Labor Unions they are destroying the last voice of resistance working people in America have. I’m not afraid of an Islamic Caliphate as much as a Christian Caliphate the Religious Right Nazis want for America. Along with their libertarian butt buddies, what the Republicans want for America is as bad if not worse than what any poor person in a third world country experiences.

      • KG

        This is what we have to look forward to:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjXjGYqYW5o

      • Elda

        No, it is Islam!

      • Robert Smith

        Floridastorm posted: “That’s the difference between Islam and Christianity.”

        Really? And what about all those doctors who have been killed, clinics bombed, and the nonsense posted on these very forums against those who don’t toe the right wing christian line?

        Rob

      • Tim

        Cagey, your hatred and ignorance of Christianity is frankly pretty amazing. I suggest you read Dispensational Truth or do a similar study of dispensations through the Bible, you will learn how God has changed how he deals with man (and for very good reasons) through the ages. Further, trying to fault Christianity with what the Popes did in the distant past for power and world domination isn’t going to fly either, calling yourself or your religious belief system Christian certainly doesn’t mean you are doing God’s will according to the bible. After all that’s why Martin Luther broke from the Catholic Church in the first place (no offense to Catholics it’s mostly the leadership I have a problem with).
        Your deep hatred for Christianity makes me guess you are either homosexual or an extreme liberal, coupled with your union rants it’s pretty shameless. I guess you are firmly attached to the union teat and will sell your soul to further their usually leftist causes as well. You should be greatly ashamed of yourself but I know that’s simply not possible for you.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        I notice something rather ridiculous about you KG and all of you God and Bible haters when you comment on this site. You never read and study the Bible yourselves but are computer spouting words that are written for you to copy. So by your own admission you believe That One Idiot that says derogatory things about the Bible and all you idiots are capable of doing is to parrot him..

      • http://yahoo Ravenmaven

        Ravenmaven

        KG
        You have masterfully hit the nail on the head! At first I thought Mr Meyers was just a dupe, but then came to realize his interests are in confiscating oil and stealing other peoples land and killing them if necessary in order to get it.And the Bible has plenty to say about greed…like
        it is the root of all evil….
        KG please keep commenting, we need more intellects such as your on the blogs.

      • Vigilant

        When Ravenmaven says, “KG please keep commenting,” I have to agree. Nothing is as damaging to a cause as a misinformed, undereducated “True Believer.”

        Remember, KG was the one who claimed that communism was already in our Constitution because it contains the terms “We the People” and “general welfare.”

        By all means, KG’s palaver is always welcomed. No more eloquent testimony to the bankruptcy of his cause can be found in another’s words.

      • momo

        Ravenmaven says: “KG please keep commenting, we need more intellects such as your on the blogs.”

        The part after the comma is hilarious.

      • Mel

        “Islam is a religion of peace”. TAQIYYA: Muslims are allowed to deceive non-Muslims if it helps Islam by lying.

      • TexasRide

        So, KG, your REAL PROBLEM is with people that want to abolish your beloved UNIONS.
        That figures! Unions are nothing but a terrorist group that uses extortions!!

        No better than the Barbary Pirates! We finally told them to pound dirt, and we will tell the unions to do the same..

      • coal miner 1

        VERY GOOD POST,KG

        Were Jews ever really slaves in Egypt, or is Passover a myth – Haaretz

        Mar 26, 2012 … That is, of course, if they were ever slaves in Egypt at all. … within the bible itself, but that’s not a remotely historically admissible source. … Furthermore, there is no evidence in Israel that shows a sudden influx of people from FROM EGYPT
        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-jewish-thinker/were-jews-ever-really-slaves-in-egypt-or-is-passover-a-myth-1.420844

      • Dead Right

        to KEG:
        God has the right and uses nations to eliminate nations that are no longer salvageable.
        The muslims are putting themselves in those cross hairs today. He called other nations to punish Israel as well. These were very specific times and wars. Good luck condemning God to justify yourself. God said to Job, “look at every proud man and make him low.”
        That is part of God’s will and person. Who he uses, when and why are His business.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        KG? Your comment shows you know nothing about the Bible, you distorted for you sick mind, void of what God intended and what will come to pass, your just like obozo, the islamist-in-chief, you quote things that have nothing to say about today and never saw a christian blow himself up for satan. And if God isn’t for Israel, why have they won every war against all odds ever since they became a nation. Wake up, and ask God to forgive your ignorance of Him and His Word, He will answer.

      • Michael Beglin

        Basing your government’s foreign policy based on ANY religion is superstitious foolishness. Islam just happens to be socially stuck in the Bronze Age.

      • http://patriotupdate major

        There is a huge difference in Christianity and Islam, the Papal system diversed greatly from the Gospel of Christ during the dark ages and is a sad thing to remember I’m sure you know that is why we have Protestant churches. Islam is a political,rligious system that has three main goals 1Annex Jreusalem,Kill all Jews 2 Obliterate Christianity by any-means.3 Islamitize the whole world anything less is considered blasphemous to their god allah. So there will never be peace with these people, I have studied this in depth,what I’m writing about is the truth the Quran will verify it.

      • ksyed0

        I don’t know where you are getting this crap. There are no such “goals” of Islam.

        Muslims revere Jerusalem as a religious site, just as the Jews and Christians do. There is no religious plan to take it over. The issue of Israel vs. Palestine is not a religious issue, but a political issue and an issue of justice.

        As for the other two points of killing all the Jews? That’s ridiculous. Jews have lived in Muslim lands safely for many, many years. Its only after the establishment of Israel that Jews have become scapegoats in Muslim lands as a tit-for-tat retaliation of the suppression of Palestinians (who happen by the way to be both Christian and Muslim by and large).

        The third point, the destruction of Christianity? Again, that’s a totally BS assertion. Islam is a proselytizing religion, and we do actively seeks converts, but through discussion and dialogue, not through forcible conversion or by trying to destroy Christianity. We revere both Jesus (peace be upon him) and his mother Mary, and we believe in the virgin birth. We also believe, that Islam is a continuation of the prophetic tradition, just like Christianity was, from Judaism. You would do just as well asserting that Christianity is trying to destroy Judaism!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Robert says: Really? And what about all those doctors who have been killed, clinics bombed, and the nonsense posted on these very forums against those who don’t toe the right wing christian line?

        Total number of abortion practitioners killed thus far? 7

        Total number of unborn killed by abortion practitioners? 53 million

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        How about the Guy that reports that the Streets of Heven are paved in Gold? An so on…
        How would you like to pay the Taxes there?

      • booglede

        amazingly poor standard of the comments made above,generally, is disturbing.
        No Muslim can cast any aspersion on any prophet without committing a big sin. If some mad guy tries to bully the Christ, normal reaction of a Muslim would be revulsion.

      • Realist

        Nice try KG…You are truly a pharacce. You must be supportive of AIPAC too.

      • http://none Charlie

        KG,,,
        Are you a Christian per Acts 2:38 ??? It’s quite obvious you know how to pick and chose Scripture to make your point ,,,BUT,,, your point IS NOT in harmony with the Bible harmonizer ,
        which is Psalm 119:160… Your comments read as you DO NOT have The Gift of The Holy Spirit that Acts 2:38 gives WHEN accomplished with understanding … So, We will have to assume you ARE NOT a “True Christian” , until , you prove otherwise with “Scripture”….
        Also see http://www.zundelsite.org and you may see that most German people are basically good
        people … Most German people are from the lineage of “The Children of Israel”…
        Read all the words spoken by King Jesus in The Bible and you may see that “Love” covers a multitude of “Sins”,,,but,,, there is a time for “Hate” and I have The King’s Authority to hate what He hates ,,, so any “Order” from King Jesus as written in The Bible , can be carried out with Prayer Power and / or Physical power ,,,but,,,one had best Pray for The King’s Will FIRST…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • Florence

        The middle east is a backward culture: islam. They kill themselves, each other and threaten & kill people in every nation on earth .. I don’t understand reasoning of nations to not band together and put the middle east on notice. Nations should bomb the hell out of the entire middle east each time a terror attack takes place in another part of the world. RE: islam film that middle east alleges that caused the death of our ambassador & others: I am not happy that the maker of that film is arrested. This just once again shows the influence of islam in the free world. Instead, I think that he should have received protective custody. They are never going to “get the point.” islam is definitely not a religion of peace.

      • tony

        If you are an Environmentalist extremists you want the dollar to end so you would conspire with radicals to accomplish this goal of Saving earth from Humanity if you really are Ideologically serious about saving the earth because it represents expansion and development of earth’s resources for the benefit and increased quality of Human Life that these Environmentalist extremists see as Killing Earth , and the Obama Administrations Regulatory policies reflect these views . This ends in unsustainable Capitalist Inflation and collapse the system leaving Government in control as people run out of vital supplies . Big Government Bad scenario

        The Key to Ending the Dollar as worlds Trade currency lies in the Destabilization of the Middle East’s current leaders in the region with the rise of a New Power source , enter the Obama and NATO Enabled Muslim Brotherhood , S&P and Obama conspire to end dollar as worlds trade currency
        http://tinyurl.com/928o5fq

      • carolyn marlin

        Is USA leaders/court leaders pro muslim and anti-Christian/jews law/rights/ etc ? Why would leaders send USA Christian/Jewish tax dollars to muslim nation for any reason?? Are USA leaders pro Chain’s children and anti-Christian/Jewish law/rights?????

      • Miki

        Perhaps you should do some research and determine what the Crusades, as they were known, were in response to. Honest research will determine that these Crusades were a response to the Islamic invasion of Europe.

        Then as now, Islam was and is a political scheme to control the whole world under a dictatorial “Caliph”, with no freedom for anyone. It is totally an completely incompatible with personal and religious freedom. It is the only organization know of that requires that it be forcibly spread over all other humans in the world. a.non@maus.com

      • http://www.facebook.com/FrJim Fr Jim Rosselli

        KG (B?)–

        You are not quoting the Christian Bible. You are quoting the Old Testament, and specificaly the “Histories.” The Histories are records of what God commanded at a certain time, but which never passed into Dogma. It is not Jewish Doctrine to kill the descendants of those folks, and it is certainly not Christian Doctrine.

        One New Testament passage you quote simply quotes the Old Testament Histories. Also, your attempt to identify the Lord’s upholding of the Law with the Histories is specious, since the Old Testament is specifically divided into the Law, the Histories and the Wisdom Literature. Any atrewmpt,on your part to confuse one with the other is no more than that: an attempt to confuse. Prampount among these are the “Naziism” accusation, which is just a phrase you threw in from nowhere that has nothing even to do with the passage you quoted, and the actuaslly laughable “monopolism” accusation, the teleology of which is to actually deny the existence of objective Truth! If I say “This is the only chair in the
        room,” in a discussion about a room that only contains one chair, you might well attach an epithet to, or take an acc usatoryu stance toward, the statement. But then, you have to prove yours. Your simply framing a quote with an opinion proves–and actually says–nothing.

        Islam, specificaly, IS the problem. While killing people is not part of Jewish or Christian Dogma, it is part of Muslim dogma. The command to kill non-Muislims who will neither convert nor consent to dhimmitude (a form of serfdom) is part of the textual body of Muslim doctrine.

        Evil continually co-opts people to contextualize that which is not part of the textual body of various religious doctines, including Christian Doctrine. In the case of Islam, however, genocide is not simply part of the body of “historical writings;” nor is it the contextual supposition of a particular group: it is present, textual doctrine.

        The god of Islam is not the God of Christianity and Judaism. Islam is the “new testament” of Ishmaelism, the worship of the moon god, Alla, a god of retribution and war. They are as irreconcilable with us as Sparta (a mercenary society based on war) was with Athens
        (a civilized society based on the advance of, according to their lights, philosophy and culture).

        The civilized world’s sole interest in the Islamic nations should be to:

        a. Evacuate the Christians.
        b. Put a “ring of steel” around Israel.
        c. Get out. Stop buying their oil (we have more than they do! all we have to do is drill for it!).
        d. Cut off the foreign aid they use to finance their demonized jihad, and leave them isolated, to their own devices.

        Oppressed? are you insane? The Muslims hold the world hostage by controlling the world’s oil supply. Our last few Presidents, Globalist hacks, all of them, saw sectioning off the world into “enterprise zones” as a means of establishing stability. They were stupid. And the one we have now is on their side, seeking to “fundamentally change” (read: “destroy and replace”) our way of life, greasing the skids for our downfall and their victory.

        You have a pretty standard political rap, my friend, but you’re not going to convince sane people that the richest and most powerful nations on earth (the OPEC claque)
        are “oppressed,” with “violence” as their “only option.”

        I doubt you’re even, really, convinced of that, yourself.

      • Gea

        ANY “ISM” that prevents free speech and free thought leads to corruption and dysfunctional society. That is why Islam and Marxism are dangerous to ANY society that respects liberty and human rights. When somebody cuts your head off if you say something they do not like (like that Mohamed was a pedophile, rapist, polygamist and murderer, all from Muslim sources of information regarding Mohamed).

        When “holly men” of Islam, imams and mullahs around the world preach hatred of Jews and Americans, the Western countries better pay attention or else they will be over run by Muslim mobs who had found an immigrant heaven in Europe, Australia and North America and are abusing the social services and our democracy and freedom to express their nasty ideology of hate, which Islam represents.. CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relationship) is working hard on subverting US Constitution (First Amendment) (with the help of our Caliph-in-Chief, Obama) in order to prevent truth about Islam to be known to Americans, because they we would not allow any more Muslims into USA to undermine our society of liberty and human rights.

        The Muslim antisemitism is rampant around the world, where Muslims blame Jews for the vile deeds of their own and vile aspirations. This is a typical psychological mechanism of losers in a game of life: Blaming somebody who is successful for the lack of your own success!

        Muslims also blame Americans, because US stands with Israel., which is the only true democracy in the Middle East protecting human rights of ALL of its citizens, and a very prosperous country based on WORK and not mooching of women by the men who sit in coffee places and mosques, as Muslim countries are. Now there are more Muslims than Jews in America, because initial immigrants had learned to game the US immigration system, and they are bringing their backward relatives for better economic opportunities.

        There are mosques being built everywhere with the oil money, which also finances Muslims terrorism around the world Therefore, America MUST go green and sustainable and make oil irrelevant in our lives. Then this nasty ideology of Islam will go back into the sands of history, rather then taking over the civilized world into which it does not belong. But first we need to get Barak Hussein Obama, a great story teller but and incompetent manager and the true believer in Islam and Marxism out of a position where he can do more damage to America and American values.

      • Gordon

        “Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation.” Barrack Hussein Obama, United States Senator

        “The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Barrack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Gordon: Yes, he said those things. He is either a muslim or a muslim sympathizer. In November you can vote for someone who has a chance of defeating him, or you can vote for a fantasy candidate who has no chance of defeating him.

      • Gea

        Islam ITSELF is the root cause of Muslim terrorism around the world. The Saudi terrorist in 9/11/2001 did not scream Hail Mary, Our Father, Shema Israel or OM when plunging planes into WTO, but Allahu Akbar. American born and highly educated Muslims, such as Dr. NIdal Hassan, also screamed Allahu Akbar, when murdering 13 of his colleagues. This US-born Muslim terrorist had not yet been brought to trial! Why? How come that at the 10th commemoration of 9/11 no mention was made that it was Muslim terrorist act, but was treated a “tragedy”? Because Barak Hussein Obama is living up to his middle name and is helping Islam in its goal to destroy Western civilization, which is clearly spelled out int the charter of the Muslim Brotherhood: “to infiltrate America and destroy Western civilization from within and outside, and install the only true religion (Islam) over all others”.

        When Barak Hussein Obama bowed to Saudi king, whose subjects committed crimes of 9/11, this was a clear sign where Obama’s loyalties lie, NOT with America! When Barak Hussein gave $1,500 MILLIONS of US taxpayers money to Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt which is starting war on women and Israel again, you KNOW that Obama is a traitor of America values. When Barak Hussein Obama forbid US Marines to carry live munitions in the Arab countries but left the defense of US Embassies to Muslim Brotherhood, you KNOW who is sitting in the White house and undermining US Constitution after US ambassador was raped and murdered by Muslim mobs inspired by terrorists of Muslim Brotherhood. Obama should resign and held responsible for gruesome death of US Ambassador in Libya and NOT run for another term in which he can finish US off. Neither his Marxism or his Islam have ANY place in America, since both of those ideologies are incompatible with Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.

        When like a dhimmi, , Barak Hussein Obama blames the movie, which depicted Mohamed for a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer that he was, for the ,murders and destruction commuted by Muslim mobs around the world, Americans better pay attention! When the Copt Egyptian who made a movie and lived in San Diego was arrested under some trumped up excuses, Americans better pay attestation.

        Who is this man in the White house who is so fast in subverting US Constitution under a disguise of “respect for Islam” . Islam MUST REFORM to stop being nasty to all non-Muslims or has NO place in any civilized society that respects liberty and human rights, which Islam (and sharia) do not recognize.

      • http://hotmail Jack

        KGB,
        Which version of the Bible are you reading? Dork. Jesus does not recommend killing; He was the last blood sacrifice.

    • Vigilant
      • KG

        Ummm he should replace the word ‘muslim’ with ‘irish catholic’. It would be just as appropriate to his Anglican English ‘sensibilities.

      • Vigilant

        KG needs help when going to the market. He can’t tell the difference bewteen apples and oranges.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        KG, you decry religions and you have your grocery list of religious activities you hate but you never consider that they are all part of “By Works Salvation” religions. Making gods in their image and working out the to do lists that their gods supposedly gave them.

    • Robert Smith

      “They are the enemy we must fight, so we Americans can keep our country!”

      I wonder what condition those WWII Jap internment camps are in?

      Sheesh, Irish, blacks, muslums…

      Always someone to hate.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        Yes, Rob, just like your despicable and obssessive hatred of Christianity.

      • Flashy

        Vig…step back and read what you wrote. Someone dissed christianity…heck, I do it often myself. it’s not hate, it is ridiculing the cult and noting the weakness of the minds of the adherents.

        And you call it ‘hate’ and are offended by what you called ‘hate”.

        Now how is that feeling, those thoughts, your stated belief…any different than that of Muslims and what they perceive from the West?

        bear in mind the intensity levels as well. you, being raised and living in a permissive society…yet you call any dissing of christianity ‘hate”. Place yourself where from birth, and generations before that, you were exposed and told by the government that the “enemy’ is not the dictatorial State / dictatorship…but a ‘wag the dog’ fakery to legitimize thir rule nd distract from the brutal hand of the dictatorship. That the West is out to get you. destroy your faith, and insist you pray to their gods.

        Don’t forget, with a non existent press, and many being illiterate and uneducated…the news they receive is mainly from their “church” leaders, many of those ” church leaders” placed and approved by the State …

      • Vigilant

        A few things you need to face, Flashy:

        1. I was pointing out Smith’s incessant insertion of his anti-Christian screeds at any opportunity, and most often when it’s not even related to the thread. He’s done it MANY MANY times. He has no pretext, other than the transparent hypocrisy he just demonstrated, for saying, “always someone to hate.”

        2. He also assumes, as apparently you do, that any criticism by the right is automatically a racial or ethnocentric comment. It is not.

        3. Your categorical condemnation of Christianity as a “cult” and painting its devotees as weak-minded is in itself bigoted and priggish. It goes against all the highly-vaunted “tolerance” the left hypocritically calls its own. Let me ask you, is Islam a “cult” of weak-minded individuals in your sweeping condemnation? Or does that just apply to Christians?

        4. I am not a Christian, but you won’t find me alienating a substantial portion of our population by gratuitously insulting them. Even DaveH, an atheist, refrains from dissing Christianity. He and I get it. Do you and RS?

      • Gea

        Islam is a supremacist ideology, similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, including delusional Jew hatred, which in WWII led to Holocaust which would be repeacted if Muslim countries had their way with Israel and Jews.

        Islam also condones pedophilia, polygamy, misogyny, dhimmitude (second class citizenshiop for Chiristians) and murder for Allahu Akbar, including “honor” murder for wives and children of a Muslim man if they “stray” from his commands.

        The estimate is that 20% of all Muslims (1.400 millions around the world) are radical (i.e ready to murder and die for Allahu Akbar). That makes it 280 millions of delusional crazed Muslim (mostly) men ready to die while murdering Jews and Americans and other “infidels”. They are now infiltrating America and trying to subvert US Constitution so that Americans do not understand what sharia Trojan horse plans for US.

        Islam MUST REFORM to make it compatible with the US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rihtgs or has NO place in ANY society taht repsects liberty and human rights. There are now 50 millions of Muslims occupying Europe and 7 millions in US. When Muslims are in small numbers they are very polite amd meak, but once they reach 10% in any community you will get riots and demands for sharia, as we see in Detroit.

        Obama is the most skilolful taqiyya applicator (as Mohamed recommends to all good Muslims to do when in countries where Muslims are minority). He should resign for his role in the murder of the US Ambassodor in Libya.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        No joke…we have no business being in their countries, funding revolutions, foreign aid….we should just leave the Muslim people alone. That is the real problem.

        As far as being a Christian Christ would be ashamed of how many people you guys are killing to so called spread democracy.

        Greedy corporations and arms dealers are to blame for this folly

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Rhonda Reichal, I notice when reading and studying the Holy Scriptures, God has an aweful lot to say about Sin and Sinners and he speaks about the whole world of them.
        You are like a typical Leftist decrying Businesses and Corporations and Bankers and yet you are more of common character with people you decry.

      • Flashy

        “3. Your categorical condemnation of Christianity as a “cult” and painting its devotees as weak-minded is in itself bigoted and priggish. It goes against all the highly-vaunted “tolerance” the left hypocritically calls its own. Let me ask you, is Islam a “cult” of weak-minded individuals in your sweeping condemnation? Or does that just apply to Christians?

        4. I am not a Christian, but you won’t find me alienating a substantial portion of our population by gratuitously insulting them. Even DaveH, an atheist, refrains from dissing Christianity. He and I get it. Do you and RS?” <— Vig

        Pardon the delay Vig, i had a few housekeeping items to take care of.

        #3. i've always stated, I have no problem with Christians..as long as they don't insist on compelling me or the general public that adherence to their mores is mandatory. keep it to yourself, knock yourself out for all i care. Try to lecture or preach that the 'right way' is their way? Uh uh … we have a problem Houston.

        Any organized religion is a cult. By definition. For instance … http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cult

        When anyone relies upon and is unwavering in following a pre-set guideline from religious elders or tomes of what to believe and how to believe, and uses such as a pretext and legitimization of their actions without regard to reality or common sense, yes…I would characterize that as a weak minded individual. They are unable or unwilling to accept or be able to formulate complex logic or cause and effect…both long term as well as short term. Instead, they will place blind faith in a spiritual energy intervening or causing an end result or act on "the behalf of" the god or religious faith.

        Given that, I also recognize the societal issues of a culture as well as the history of the State and governance of a region/nation-state. The West has a much different history and society than that of the ME. The ME has, as i have stated earlier today, a history of despotic regimes which used religion as a distraction and a source of legitimization for existence. Add to that the vast majority of uneducated and that often the only source of "news' not cleared by the State is through the religious centers, and you have a much different situation than that found in the West.

        In our society, that which absolutely enrages me, that i dedicate my life to fight against…it's not patriotic to stand and shout down the speaker…it is patriotic to stand and defend their right to say it…and to defend my right to oppose it. And to expect the same from others who would hold themselves as patriots. We have a much more permissive society not only allowing, but almost demanding, that one speak their mind. And to question that of a speaker, to point out the falsehoods and misleading statements, and the failure of logical thought and common sense.

        In the ME, theirs is more structured towards adherence and acceptance, in fact, tolerance is a scarce entity. When one gains power, it is historical to stamp down dissent and to insist on silence from opposition…acceptance of the thought bought either voluntarily or violently. The entire culture is not one which allows for development of the individual, it is for family, tribe, state … all of which encompasses religion as a part of the adhesive holding it all together.

        Should a Muslim have as much intolerance and insistence here, i would be standing on my hind legs, just as i would should it be a christian, krishna, hindu etc. There is no christian 'theological" state in the world today. I would say the days of the Spanish inquisition and England during the 1500-1600 era are the closest we have to point at before the political, industrial, labor rights, educational metamorphosis came about as the hierarchical state was in decline.

        To expect a ME population which has been under the thumb of despotic regimes and propaganda to, in a matter of months, adopt a Western style philosophy and acceptance is beyond the bounds of reasonable expectations. In fact, that they have progressed so far in such little time is nothing short of amazing.

        #4. Oh I get it. Do you?

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        There are at least 3 camps in every state, google American Concentration Camps, I assure they are for christians and those who oppose the islamic-in-chief.

      • DaveH

        Poor baby. The Liberal Progressive Flashman says — “I have no problem with Christians..as long as they don’t insist on compelling me or the general public that adherence to their mores is mandatory”.
        Funny, I haven’t yet seen any Christians forcing you or anybody else to adopt their religion, Flashman. But I do see the Liberal Progressives forcing people through Government to do things their way every chance they get. Not to mention helping themselves to other peoples’ hard earned money as if it were their own.

      • Gea

        Unlike other groups that were sometimes in the past discriminated against in USA, Muslims are working hard on undermining US Constitution First Amandment, because they want to cover up how vile teachings of Koran, Hadith and Mohamed’s character were. Barak Hussein Obama is living up to his middel name and endangering US too in this nattampt to white wash Islam and bringing a genocidal supremacist misogynyst Muslim Brotherhood into the White house and giving them $1.5 BILLIONS with which they had started war on women and against Jews again.

        If Americans read Koran, and learn about the history of Islam and its prophet, who was a pedophile, polygamist, rapist and murderer, they would wake up and demand that Muslims either REFORM their nasty ideology similar to Nazi ideology, or go practice their “beliefs” in sharia run countries, 57 Muslim-majority countries.

        Islam and Sharia are INCOMPATIBLE with the US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Righgts and therefore have no place in any society that respects liberty and human rights.

        While Muslims behave when they are in small numbers, as soon as they reach 10% of population their medieval evil ideology comes out with demands for subverting Western civiloization as we can see in Detroit and all over Europe where they are terrorising people in Great Britain, France, Danmark, Sweden and Jews are forced to flee Europe again, this time from delusional Jew hatred coming from Muslims, based on Koran and Hadith, but disguised as “protecting Palestinian Arabs” who are exally vile Jew haters, long before Israel existed.

      • tony

        What do you think ??? PROOF, Innocence Of Muslims Was A False Flag

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u7YemzVDOuc

      • Gea

        Islam is a supremacist ideology, similar to supremacist Nazi ideology, including its delusional Jew hatred, which in WWII led to Holocaust and which if they could, Muslims would repeat in the Middle East. The only thing that saves Israel is that Muslims also hate each others and that their countries are dysfunctional and if it were not for US AID would be starving. It is not a coincidence that most Muslim leaders were supporters of Hitler, and Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al Hussein spent WWII egging Hitler on to hurry up with extermination of Jews in Europe and come to do the same in the Arab world. The British and French let this high ranking Nazi war criminal, Mufti of Jerusalem, untried for his crimes and go to Cairo where he started his deadly campaign against the Jews.

        This vile man, Mufti of Jerusalem who had perfected the art of deception (from Goebels), murder of his opponents (from Hitler) and stealing from his people (intrinsic to corrupt Islamic chieftains) became a role model for Arafat, Nasser, Ahmedinijad, Abbas and many others who are able to persuade the West that they are telling the truth about Jews and Zonism, when in fact they are projecting their own vile deeds and aspirations onto Jews. Americans and Europeans are duped, particularly bleeding heart liberals, who believe Muslim stories about “poor Palestinians”, 73% of whom desire annihilation and looting of Israel, rather than having their own state where they can live in peace. Islam itself is the ROOT cause of terrorism around the world with its nasty teachings of supremacy and its urging “true Muslims” to murder for Allahu Akbar. The terrorists of 9/11 did not scream hail Mary, Our Father, Shema Israel or OM, but allahu akibar, which had become a war cry of all Muslims around the world when committing murders, including US born and educated Muslims such as Dr. NIdal Hassan who murdered 13 of his army collegues at Fort Hood while screaming Allahu Akbar.

        This delusional hatred comes from Koran and Hadith and is taught in mosques around the world. Therefore, unless Islam reforms there cannot be peace, since it is like having Nazis infiltrating the entire Western civilization, using those countries liberal immigration and social services to a hilt by those Muslims who come from their dysfunctional Muslim-majority countries which are Juden-frei and are Christians are leaving in droves.

      • Deerinwater

        DaveH say; “Funny, I haven’t yet seen any Christians forcing you or anybody else to adopt their religion, Flashman. But I do see the Liberal Progressives forcing people through Government to do things their way every chance they get. Not to mention helping themselves to other peoples’ hard earned money as if it were their own.”

        LOL! Well Sir, it’s not for their like of trying David. This is the evangelical arm of the Christian faith at work. Not completely unlike Islam is someway, it is interrupted as being Gods will to spread the “Faith” ~ the zealots can have a “field day” with being their “brother keeper ” if they must kill him to save him from the devil!

        And while Robert Smith is perfectly capable of speaking for himself, ~ neither he nor I “hate” Christians, we simply refuse to submit to “zealotry”, Christian, Hindu, Islam or any faith worship and have not intention of giving sick thinking a pass or wiliness to ignore radical ideas that destroys the spirit of man.

        I’m a Christian, my family are practicing Christians. We walk by “faith” and not by sight. We are not easy to “offense” and have no fear of evil as practicing Christian have been instructed and taught to be so. I insist that you have the freedom and liberty to make your own choices and in return you would afford me these same freedoms.

        Just as you believe liberal progressives are attempting to force something on you, so too are conservatives forcing their ideas and attempt to use government as a tool in the effort to subject people it some faith affiliation of preference. This motive is the soft under belly that the Tea Party they attempts to hide and are slow to openly expose unless among themselves.

        Now ~ if you are so simple minded that you can not see what political parties are attempting to do ~ employing twisted notions of Christianity to divide voters for party gains ~ I will pray for you , that your eyes might be opened and you see how Christ is being used in such a evil and selfish manner.

        And David, ~ have you changed your position on matters of the Divine in the last few months? As you seem most willing and open to invoking Christ name in your banter.

        I would hope so, ~ but if not my friend ~ your actions and words only draw down the thunder.

        James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.

        Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/bible-verses-about-prayer-20-important-scripture-quotes-2/#ixzz27seUpRaB

      • tony

        Here is a question that needs to be asked in the debates to President Obama and draw down some Thunder, Why is it we have to get this kind of news from foreign networks ???

        Hillary Clinton’s press aide calls reporter an ‘unmitigated a**hole ‘ before telling him to ‘f*** off’ over Libya questions

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208156/Hillary-Clintons-press-aide-calls-reporter-unmitigated-hole-telling-f–Libya-questions.html#ixzz27sgHgO3P

    • eddie47d

      KG did try and make an attempt GGSWEDE now lets see you try. ( your version,side by side)

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Eddie has proved from past post that he is anti-christian, anti-God and makes himself a little god boy.

      • eddie47d

        Sly as a FOX Benjamin what in the he*l are you blubbering about? Are you the Creature From the Black Lagoon. If not stop acting like it!

      • JeffH

        Benji, little eddie is not anti-christian nor is he anti-God. What eddie is is anti-intelligent, anti-Constitution and anti-America as what our founders had intended. In other words, he’s anti-life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
        eddie is full of class envy and supports crony-capitalism…even though he hasn’t any clue that he does. Other than that, he just can’t be fixed!

      • DaveH

        To sum it all up, Eddie is the site Troll.

    • eddie47d

      Texas Ride says Islam is trying to take over the world. Hmm! What do you call our CIA agents that are planted throughout that same world or our military (MIC) occupying every Islamic land? Actually our agents have taken it even farther.

      • Tim

        I call it government not following the will of the people….vote them all out and the rest will follow.

      • TexasRide

        Our military is in 78 countries or more, and pouring American Tax Dollars in the economies of those countries! I say bring all our troops home, but you libs start screaming “isolationism” when that is discussed!

        We are giving international welfare in the form of American Tax Dollars, to 178 countries!
        This needs to STOP immediately! Start with taking it away from ALL middle east countries!

      • KG

        What was the purpose of the CIA? To “spy”on other nations? No-its primary mission was to “…spread Capitalism…” around the world. The CIA’s mission is not intelligence as much as economic. The Soviet Union wanted to dominate the world through Communism; and as soon as we “defeated” them, the Republicans wanted to dominate the world through Capitalism. I think “godless”Capitalism is as bad or worse than “godless” Communism.

      • JeffH

        KG, you’re just another ignorant progressive shackled to the paradigm of a two party system.

      • DaveH

        KG says — “I think “godless”Capitalism is as bad or worse than “godless” Communism”.
        You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, KG. You certainly aren’t talking about Capitalism, because Capitalism is a voluntary thing. It isn’t spread by Force; it is spread by goodness — something you wouldn’t understand, KG. We haven’t had anything close to Capitalism in this country for a very long time.
        For those who want to learn something and at the same time know just how ignorant KG is:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • gunner689AI

        I call it trying to keep the lid on the pot.

    • Vicki

      KG says:
      “Oh, BTW, if we looked at the Christian world of about 1100 c.e. people in the rest of the world would have thought of Christians as some people think of Islam today.”

      There is at least 2 differences. Christians who actually follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth did not and do not commit the acts now being done in the name of Islam. The other difference is in the past ~1000 years (presumes your c.e. meant A.D.) much of the rest of the world grew up and stopped doing those things too.

    • Peter

      KG, there is one absolute point in which you are mistaken, and it removes all of your ‘credibility’.
      There is no such thing as a right wing Nazi.
      If you understood “one jot, one iota’ of what you are spouting, you would know that the Nazi party’s name itself came from the abreviation of the more complete name: ‘Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparteir’.
      Note the word ‘sozialisttische’, translated ‘SOCIALIST’ you meathead!
      Left-wing, that is, let me reiterate, ‘LEFT WING’ politics, where those in Deutschland were all treated as socialist equals in the Hitlerian socialist dictatorial society.
      You are seriously laboring with your hands below the table-top if you believe otherwise.
      I also know from first-hand experience that this is true.
      My own father-in-law is Austrian and was 12 when Hitler came to power.
      He lived with his widowed mother, and there was almost no food to be had before Hitler, due to rampant inflation throughout the germanic states.
      When Hitler came to power, all of a sudden there was food on the table and someone to blame for the lack of food prior to Hitler.
      This is socialism to the core.
      Learn your history before you open your huge mouth just to change feet.

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      You have it slightly wrong: Its not 72 Virgins it’s ONE 72 Year Old Virgin. Islam is satanism just look at the wild eyed Ignorant Murderers running amok in the streets in the Arab world threatening the downfall of Countries because we don’t believe their crazyness and false God. We also don’t accept it here especially when they call our Colleges and threaten to blow up our Children (Cowards) for every College blown up 100 mosques should be blown up. Death is the only thing these Lunatics Understand. Viet Nam Vet 67-68

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