The KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL makes us non-robotic.

Also, the words ‘knowledge’ and ‘understanding’; ‘knowledge’ implies to know or experience. In order to have ‘knowledge’ one must experience.

Several ways to look at this story and what it’s attempting to convey to us. It seems that man has managed separated himself from the rest of Gods creations but how?

Deifying God’s request to not consume apples? That the apples gave us special powers to past judgement? The ability to be a god and past judgement?

I think it’s a cleaver story to explain the unexplainable to a people that attempt to understand their existence and purpose.

So now we are left to take this knowledge and apply it to the many meaning such a story offers us.

Some would walk away with the belief that Eve really got us in trouble and deffer their weakness in character on to her. I would call such a man a Republican. After all, God has made Eve as a gift for Adam and now look what “she” has done, got me in trouble! It’s not my fault!

Some would see Eve as a temptress of beauty and wonder if God really knew what he was doing in offering Man such a complicated wonderful “gift” because life is not getting any easier and it was never really about apple but choices !

A democrat might think, Oh Hell baby, let’s get out of here, we’ve obviously over extended our welcome. Grab a few more of those apples and let’s blow this joint, maybe he’ll cool off later.

The Bible doesn’t say apples
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david: You’re right, it doesn’t say apples. But it’s still a stupid story that only an idiot could believe.

Every ancient culture has a very similar story about the fall of man.
Also, all around the world, the pyramid is a holy building, including south america. Israel’s history agrees that Seth and his sons built the great pyramid on “the border of Egypt and in middle”. Isaiah 19.
This speaks of the dispersion at the tower of Babel. How else could these ancient traditions have found there way all over the world?
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The Bible was written by very intelligent men and contains a lot of wisdom. Unfortunately, it is read by morons who insist on taking every metaphor, allegory, and parable literally. Read the Bible for its folk wisdom, history, and importance to western literature and thinking (like the Greek Myths), but don’t expect the details to make sense in terms of 21st century science.

Science takes various models and try to fit their ‘facts’ into it. Ego makes it hard for some to admit their mistakes. My model is the Bible, for science, history, law and government.
23 of the college disciplines taught today were founded by believing christians or jewish men.
Newton, greatest of all, wrote more on theology than science. He saw God in the precision of the creation.

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Those believing individuals who started scientific disciplines are not the same people who persecuted Galileo and Scopes; they would not subscribe to the Bob Jones/Jerry Falwell philosophy; and they might actually consider the research saying rising CO2 levels can be destructive to the planet.

But really, many of them were not believers. Marx and Freud were not believers. Einstein made references to God but they were more metaphoric than worshipful (e.g. God does not play dice with the universe).

Jeff: Most Christians, including most of those commenting on this site, take the Bible literally. That doesn’t leave much room for debate.

That’s true but there are some believers who are capable of thought.

True and if TAKE the original words meanings or as close as we can get to them, from today, IT does tell a story and it’s not silly or stupid. IT tells us that Satan, the Devil, the Deceiver, the Snake, the Prince of Light, whatever you wish to call him (it) that Eve was tempted to learn things that in her pure state did not KNOW! ie.. the “know” was to discover the joy or pleasure of SEX, which apparently Adam & she had not yet had the pleasure of “knowing” in their pure state, as they had yet to be told to GO and Multiply, which of course means “children” and which of course means SEX!!

So Satan talked her into accessing that “knowledge” which in his disguise and which in her way of thinking was to “access knowledge” that only GOD had, which was true, as that knowledge had not yet been given to them! But Satan KNEW that in their and (her) innocent that she (they) would think, believe, that GOD had withheld something…(His Knowledge) from them. So SHE said yes, and IT WAS GOOD. In FACT so good that she got Adam to do it too, probably with herself, probably with both her and Satan AND since it was so good, Adam had SEX with Satan, a male entity and THUS “male to male” sexual relations came into the “PURENESS” of the Garden and while it was GOOD while doing IT ALL, IT soon became a bitter taste in their LIVES as THEY realized much MORE then just what Satan had promised!!! AND IS THAT not the way with “things” that seen “good” in man’s eyes and pleasing to the eyes!!!!! THE EARLY fathers did not want or did not think humankind, or their “sheepie” could handle THAT TRUTH so in King James’s time THEY made the “know” into an APPLE and so we have millions of Christians who have grown up believing not ONE LIE, but TWO LIES…… that IT was eating an apple and that sex is good!!!! All SEX is for, IS TO MAKE BABIES…… now IT can be used for other things and IS, but that does not take away the ORIGINAL MEANING!!…. to MAKE BABIES!!!!!!!!!

Now WE and YOU have to decide, discern, IF any of the OTHER THINGS are ok, good, right, etc…… so decide, but don’t let some old man or woman TELL YOU what to believe or do, GO READ THE BIBLE and ASK FOR KNOWLEDGE!!!!! DON”T Just Go OUT there in the Garden and TAKE IT FOR YOURSELF!!!!!! THAT IS SIN FOR SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Scott: You obviously take the bible literally. When I read the word SATAN, I hear the voice of the Church Lady (Dana Carvey). To a nonbeliever, such as myself, the talk of satan, the snake, Adam&Eve, and the forbidden fruit is absurd and laughable. I stopped believing at about the same time I stopped believing in the easter bunny. At least there was some evidence (the easter basket) that there was an easter bunny.

It’s a benign “teaching story” that works rather well until someone can come forward with a better one. You need to bare in mind this story was told to children of roaming tribes over evening campfire light before their bedtime to give then something to thing about while mom and dad had some quality time.

MIKE R= taking the bible literally IS the problem…… most of them believe they are doing so,,, but really are not in many ways because they are deceived into heresies…….

OH,ya?……. How about
#1 Have no other Gods before me…… trinity?
#4 Remember the Sabbath Day and keep it holy……. Sunday sabbath?…..

there are many heresies in the whore church…

“And they said, we did all these things in your name….. And HE said, depart from me I never knew you.”

Nor does it say that he was married. An argument from silence is a weak argument.

Mr. Bass,
You’re hurting your argument. Or could we say, it doesn’t make “since.”

Chief: I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying that god created a son so that the son could come to earth and die for our sins so that god wouldn’t send us to hell? Wouldn’t it have been much less violent and sadistic if he had skipped the part about his son dying, and simply agreed not to send us to hell? If I have the story wrong, please explain.

Hmm, I too have wondered abt. that?, but according to the STORY, God could not do that, as old Satan had so messed up the human DNA with his lies and their following his lies, that IT was or would be impossible for God to take that “mess” out of HIS human creation, without killing them off. So God decided that IF HE could get or keep a “pure” human bloodline, that at some point He could send a “pure male son” thru that bloodline and that that “pure” SON could then die for all the ones who were made sinful by Satan, and that that would get God out of His predicament. I mean how would IT look to the rest of then created creation (angels, Satan, etc.) if God had to totally kill off His human creation! I mean it would show that God screwed up, (either in the creating or in controlling what Satan could do) and that could not allowed. BUT an even greater question is, just what part of humankind is screwed up? IT must be only the males, since that is where the “SEED” comes from, so by having a plan that would put GOD SEED into a human female, God could then have an original pure male human, just as He intended to have when He created Adam! So that would mean that the “female” human is not screwed up, that SHE is not sinful and thus would NOT pass any of that Satan mess on to a SON born thru HER!!! Thus the need for a “virgin” human female!! BUT then one has to wonder WHY did GOD wait for 4,000 yrs. to pick a “virgin” to do that process thru, would not or such not He had done that thru the “next human female” to be born! The one who would come along right after Eve…..!!!! Lots of questions in this man? made? story?….

Scott: I think most of the bible stories, starting with Adam and Eve, are a big steaming pile of bravo sierra. I think Jesus actually lived, and he was probably a very charismatic rabbi. Beyond that, I have doubts about everything. I know that probably offends a lot of people, and I never bring up the subject of religion. However, if someone else brings up the subject, as in this forum, I express my opinion.

Mike R….. the basis is repentance. When the knowledge of sin is revealed, ask forgiveness, and determine to NOT sin again. When we do we are covered by grace. Repent means try not to sin. Scripture says, without repentance there is no forgiveness. look it up.

Agreed. If teachers and preachers would start teaching and preaching RESPECT and what it actually is….. things would begin to change….
all problems boil down to lack of self-respect and respect for others. think about it.

Scott, the Body of Christ & the Bride of Christ are the same. Body & Church refer to ministering to the world, Bride is relationship. Two aspects of the same group.

In John’s Gospel Yeshua [Jesus] prayed that all who ever believe on Him be one. So there is not a separate body/church & bride.

Thanks.

SamFox

Sorry Sam. my 1611 KJV says different…. U are only putting out the same old tired doctrine that far too many have preached for far too yrs…. as you would say to me, go read your bible and open your mind to truth, and while you are at it, GO buy a Strong’s and use it to learn the true word meanings of both words, body & bride!!! Thanks!!

very good. ~ nurse or doctor or just knowledgeable? The mitochondria permeable membrane hold many things including a DNA string some 47 feet long when stretched out , must be tiny stuff!

So does this make woman the host of life?

To those who believe in evolution–

Regarding evolution, I sure would like to know how an organism could live long enough for DNA to form & physical changes take place in the organism to take it to the ‘next level’. How did DNA come to be? Chemical soup struck by lightning? Wouldn’t DNA have to be present in the 1st forms? How did DNA get in the life form? A lucky stroke of coincidence?

How did early ‘life forms’ live long enough to ‘evolve’ say a defense mechanism? Or brains, eyes, a nervous system, lungs, legs, wings, digestive system or what ever? If the 1st form[s] managed all that, how did they know what to eat? Trial & error? At what point did mutation become negative after 1st being a positive process that helped life ‘evolve’?

How did birds figure out that their wings had to curved just so so the could fly? What did birds know about the required dynamics for flight? How did any flying creature know that they had to over come gravity & drag with lift & thrust? They just did it on their own? Early life forms must have a heck of a strong will…

How did the 1st single cell know what to do next? It just did it? Would not there have to be an evaluation by the form that something had to be done? How did the 1st life form[s] conceptualize what it would have to do to bring about the changes it would have to decide upon if no higher intelligence was there to guide it?

I do know that there is no action upon an object with out some outside influence. So if there was no out side action by a higher mind way back when, how is it possible for life to exist? Or change?

Also we are told the earth is billions of years old. We are also told that the sun is losing mass over time. So how big would the sun have been back then? It would have had to be large enough to turn our solar system to ashes.

It sure takes a lot of faith to believe in the Darwinian hypothesis. Waaayy more than it takes to believe in a higher power creator.

SamFox

Good points, Sam, and IF the world and its “things” evolved then WHY don’t we see a continuing evolution…. THEY never answer that ??…. and IF WE (humans) evolved, then WHY are WE de-evoluting to a lower and lower species…. we are becoming more wild, less knowledgeable, less and less of a what a HUMAN should be….. WE ARE de-evoluting with each generation born… just look around the world and in the USA!! THEY never answer that WHY either!!!!!!!

I assume you understand the changes you reference have nothing to do with biological evolution as such evolution would require hundreds, or at least dozens, of generations for natural selection of the stupid over the intelligent to take place. The question for you is if God directs it all, why is He directing that people become stupider and less refined as you imply?

HE’S not, it’s evolution’s doings, and it does not take hundreds of yrs. or any thing else, HUMANS are de-evoluting so fast to the animal state that that is why HE has to send Christ back, to save what few humans there will be left by then, or else the human factor in creation won’t exist…… IT is really very simple, if one will only LOOK!!!!!!!!

Speak for yourself and your fellow right-wingers. The rest of us have not devolved to the point of believing an obvious fraud and liar like Romney!

Guess what?? I’m not a Republican, not a right winger, not any of the negatives that you would like to apply to me…. sorry just a saved sinner, known as a CHRISTIAN who at 70 yrs. of age, knows what the lay of the land and the future is…… SORRY JEFF, you are WRONG on this one!!!!!!!

Certainly not the first or last time. So, you’re not a Romney supporter?

Jeff: You leftist losers have devolved to being big-spending socialist, muslim brotherhood supporting cowards.

Mike, I think it is extremely partisan for your posts to be so stupid that you make George W. Hoover appear almost intelligent by comparison.

Jeff: I don’t know anyone named George W. Hoover. I assume that he is your father.

Watch this and maybe you can start evolutin’ again.

http://front.moveon.org/you-dont-own-me-mourdock-romney-and-ryan-you-dont-so-back-off/?rc=daily.share

Jeff: What happened to Leslie Gore? She looks and sounds like a transvestite. You referenced three dumbass comments by Republican politicians. What about Obama’s comment about 57 states, or his comment about his white grandmother being a racist, or his comment that “Under my administration energy costs will necessarily skyrocket”? How about every word that comes out of Joe Biden’s mouth?

Scott: De-evoluting? I guess that would explain why 48% of our population are still going to vote for Obama.

Where are the original works? They don’t exist, do they? I know, the “scholars” are diligently trying to find out what was in the originals. Meanwhile, they are making a whole lot of money. Either God preserved His word like He said, or not. People who use all the Bible perversions don’t believe they have God’s perfect word. Even the Muslims know that is ridiculous – using Bible versions one knows are corrupt.

True, there ARE NO “original” originals left today, and IF there are?, THEY have NOT YET been found…. all we have are original copies of original copies!!!!!

What “original” works?….. there are NO “originals”. Only text of the verbal stories.

The gospels were written by people who were WITH Jesus, so please don’t try to say that someone 300 years later was WITH Jesus and wrote as witnesses to his ministry. BTW, the church is the bride of Christ.

The first three gospels are believed to be written by people that knew people that knew Jesus. The authors most likely didn’t know Jesus directly, but were scribes in the movement. The structure of the three is similar and like a story teller. Much like three different people telling the same story. Similar to you asking three people to recant the story of George Washington and his cherry tree. The gospel of John is believed to be by John or some very close to John. It has a personal tone.

Sorry, it is by no means certain that any of the Gospels was written by the Apostle which bears it name. It was fairly common practice to ascribe a document to a famous person (pseudepigraphical attribution of authorship). It was especially common with religious texts.

Biblical scholars have placed the writing of the first gospel (the Gospel of Mark) around 65-70 A.D, even though it was placed second in the order in the NT. It is likely that Matthew and Luke drew from Mark.

Vigilant represents a view in more liberal scholarship. Some do think that although the original writing was penned in the first-century, the documents were redacted, or edited/enlarged until later in history when they arrived at their completed form.

As for the point of pseudonymity, this did take place, but to my knowledge it was largely used with ancient apocalyptic and prophetic writings. They would write of things that had already happened as though they were yet to come, thus making themselves out to be a prophet. For a modern day example, I could write under the name George Washington and predict that a socialist named Barack Obama would destroy the U.S.A. Years later people could find it and think it was prophetic. It’s called ex eventu prophecy.

“Some do think that although the original writing was penned in the first-century, the documents were redacted, or edited/enlarged until later in history when they arrived at their completed form.”

Hmmm?~ 65 year after such an event is a little late I would think. That would make them 90 years old, ~ and too these disciples were not all scholars, today’s fisherman and carpenters are not exactly learned readers and writers, why would we think that they would be back in 65 AD? Mathew was a tax collector so I would believe he was an educated man.

After having your mentor nail up on a cross and the towns people looking for the rest of your bunch , it was time to get out of town, split up and lay low for a while, but 65 years?

This was traumatic times and these men went off the radar while every retelling of the story it got bigger and bigger.

All I can say, it took a lot of time and one heck of a skilled Editor to craft this book we refer to as “The Word” ~I’d love to have read the omissions and out-takes.

Deer, 65 A.D. means 65 years after the birth, not the death, of Jesus. He would have been crucified in the mid-30s AD.

One overlooked item.
In centuries past because few could read or write, stories were memorized in detail and told in exacting manner to the listeners. It was mandatory that the stories be verbatum in every detail so that the true meaning was not lost. Writers compiled text of generational stories so that exact verbage would be maintained as well as recorded for posterity.
This is tradition in most all ancient cultures regardless of geographic locations, etc. Note the heiroglyphs of Egypt and the those of the Mayans, etc.

Note =it was a position of honor and esteem in all societies to be a scribe of the words.

I guess I should have said, “a teller or keeper of the words”

There is only one problem with if he had children. If Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit, then that seed that he was concieved from would of passed from him to his offspring. Christ could of lived in the body he had forever, had he not gave up his spirit out of that body. So I think the same would of been for any offspring he would of had. If he had of been married and had children, I think he would have been more like Abraham, Moses, Jacob, etc.. I can’t help but believe that he could not be bothered with the needs of everyday man, because he had a mission here on earth. There are also some writings that say he walked the earth for 400 years after he rose from the dead and then he dinally ascended into heaven. And also the four gospels don’t all say that he ascended into heaven either. So how convenient that this piece of writing would pop up when the world is in such turmoil. A person just needs to hash through the Blble, history, and seek God’s guidance through prayer that He will show you wisdom and knowledge on the truth.

LarryH: I’m not so sure about that. I am certain, however, that Jesus would have opposed same-sex marriage, he would have been abbhorred by abortion, and he would have considered ‘redistribution of wealth’ stealing. Therefore, he would not be a Democrat.

GOD destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah primarily for their deviant sexual behavior….. GOD says that HE is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Think about it.

Please allow me to expound on that thought. GOD destroyed everybody and everything in Soddom and Gomorrah….. man, women, children, animals, buildings, etc…. everything. Follow the stories about those who bugged out knowing that all would be destroyed. Think about it.

Gordon: If there is a god, she is responsible for giving us a brain. I assume she expects us to use it. Would she want us to be “trusting as a little child”, or would she want us to question everything?

Rather than asking us if there is a scripture denoting that Christ was a bachelor,why dont you provide a reasonable one showing thet He was married?
Dont you think that there would be a noted scripture showing where the Messiah had a marriage ceremony if the union were to be blessed by God?
-CC.

THE WEDDING in CANA was HIS WEDDING, you silly person!!

Right on!! There where a couple of Mary’s always there.

CC says, “Rather than asking us if there is a scripture denoting that Christ was a bachelor, why don’t you provide a reasonable one showing that He was married?”

CC, I have no interest in proving either one, as it’s immaterial to faith. It was not I who said, “of course Christ was a bachelor.” I merely challenged the poster to provide evidence behind the bald statement.

I said, “The word of God will not be made into a lie unless and until you can quote book, chapter and verse in the Bible that claims Christ was a bachelor” in reponse to your assertion that calling Christ a married man was somehow a “lie.” It is not.

In this case, it’s not a matter of faith, it’s a matter of logic and plain reading ability. Since the Bible makes no definitive statement regarding Christ’s marital status, one way or another, it’s a fruitless exercise to argue for one or the other position. It is speculation, pure and simple.

the word of god is not found in some book or building, but inside yourself, science supports this goldenmean.info

So “inside yourself” your are positive Christ was a bachelor?

Abraham…had a wife,it(the Holy Bible) mentions Her.
Moses,had a wife,it mentions Her.
David,Solomon,the list goes on.They all had wives,and they are duly mentioned.
If Jesus had a wife,arent you smart enough to deduce that it would mention her also?
If He was to be led like a lamb to the slaughter(as scripture would support,having read it unlike you),then how could God put a woman other than His mother,through the trauma of losing Him?Additionally though there are several hundred old testament scriptures pointing to Jesus coming and dying for humanity,there are none speaking of His wife.That is because He never was going to have one…He was a sacrificial person.God intended Him to be a sacrifice for everyone,so He could not have been anything less than a virgin…unspoiled by the worldly desires of humanity.But that just goes to show how twisted the minds of todays people have become.They cannot understand what spotless is because they have never encountered it before.So saying that Jesus had a wife is like saying that God is a liar.
It just doesnt make sense.
It would defy logic.
The science that breeds this type of contemptuopus blather is just as suspect as what I have just iterated(in regard to making any sens of why every other Biblical protagonists’ wife is mentioned,yet not Christs’.)
It doesnt seem to add up to scrutiny does it?
Neither does the science that proports to be worthy of bringing you this story.
It is mere conjecture,with no backing at all.
I know there will be those of you who state that the same reasoning applies to the entire Bible.Yet there is basis in fact to support the stories in the Bible.
Just not this one.
Cheers!
-CC.

There where many letters, stories and other documents that did not make it into the Bible created by the Universal Church. I suppose most of these documents where taken back by the delegates that brought them to Nicene. Bottom line just because its not in the Bible doesn’t mean Jesus the Christ and his Apostles did not teach and write about it. Many truths where lost due to compromise , mistranslation, or just omitting them. I for one would love to read all of the documents and pray about them I’m sure many questions would be answered. Not only about marriage but about everything.

OK Vigilant, soetimes I agree with you and sometimes I don’t. I think that is common in all writing. As hard as i try to make my views understandable, I can’t succeed with everybody. As for this question Jesus is the common translation of the Hebrew word “Yeshua”, commonly translated in other instances as “Joshua”.

Now as to His mentioning a wife: When he was on the cross and preparing to give up his earthly life, he called to John and said for him to be a son to his (Jesus) mother, but made no provisions for a wife. In addition, it was a common occurence for the brother of the deceased to marry the widow. No such record exsists as his brothers were active in the new Church.

Norman F., you may be entirely correct. There may be evidences and logical assumptions to bolster your point, and I would tend to accept them.

Please understand that my whole drift is that faith in the NT and Jesus should not be so weak and tenuous as to require some assertion of bachelorhood or married status, one way or another. Whether He was married or not, in my opinion, has no bearing on His teachings, nor should anyone’s faith in His divinity be shattered if the argument is resolved one way or another.

It is that point, and that point alone, that I seek to convey.

Vigilant,,,
Read Psalm 119:160 , it says “the sum of God’s words are truth”,,,that’s called Harmonizing Scripture to arrive at Truth… The sum of God’s words , indicates that King Jesus ,in the flesh was not married on planet earth… IF you can’t understand the above
then do what King Jesus said at Matthew 6:9—13………………..

Cawmun cents,,,
Your Logic and reasoning is good,,,but,,, have you noticed that logic, reasoning , and Bible knowledge is grossly missing in many comments on Bible subject matter??? Anyway,,,
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38… Is salvation…

Don’t have to prove it, unless you can show a chapter and verse that says he was married. The Jew looks for a sign and the Gentiles after knowledge but God uses the foolish things of the wise to confound them.

Vigilant… It seems that God didn’t think it was important enough to mention…. kinda like Jesus not having a Harley…… So why are we mentioning it….. Think about it.

of couse, jesus did not have awife, the bible not say it, it would be unatural to be married. cheeze, people, lets face it, we know very little about this guy. google the following: The story of the savior created through immaculate conception along with special healing powers, who dies and is resurrected is shared by Chrishna, Himdoo Sakia, Thammuz, Hesus, Adonis, Alcestos, Atys, Crite, IAO, Indra, Aeschylus, Bali, Mithra, Quexalcoate, Quirinius, Thules, and Wittoba. Christ was attempting to imitate them.

Vigilant, you have quite a good mind except you are wrong on this point. Moses and the Prophets never mentioned a Messiah that would have sins of his own. A Sacrificial Lamb without Blemish was not a Ram who had collected scars and bruises, dirty wool with grass bits, twigs,and poop.
A married man no matter how good a wife he had would always find a way to get in conflict with her, such is called Sin.

Nadzieja,

There are few on this forum for whom I have more respect than you. We have found ourselves in “raging agreement” too many times for me to find fault with you.

You know I’m a Deist, which means that I believe in God. I find myself in synch with Thomas Jefferson when it comes to the Bible. I also find myself in agreement with the Founders who felt that fostering Christian principles is absolutely necessary to the survival and prosperity of the nation.

In this one area, I hope we can cheerfully agree to disagree. My respect for you is undiminished, and I may very well be wrong on this point, as you mentioned. My search for knowledge continues, and I’m honest enough with myself to know that I have but few if any answers to the mystery of life. I’m sure you can respect that.

Hold it with the insults. Study to show yourself approved, then respond with truth and respect, not insults.

Vigilant,,,
Did you ever read between the lines? that’s where that scripture is… It’s called thinking about what is, to figure out what ain’t…. Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing,,,
ain’t in the scripture either ,,,,but,,,it’s between the lines……………

Nadzieja Batki= Conflict is NOT sin… Jesus had a conflict with the money changers in the temple and physically kicked them out…. Jesus even said in red letters, “Anger, but sin not”.

“Of course, Jesus did not have a wife.” Care to cite book, chapter and verse that says that? That’s what I thought.

Vigilant:

Can you cite the book, chapter, and verse that says the Earth revolves around the Sun? If you think all the answers are in the Bible, you don’t have the imagination to ask the right questions.

Jeff, Jesus didn’t have a Harley either, but that ain’t in there to read.

What foolishness to think the Anglican Church chose the books of the bible. These texts were selected and mentioned by name by Polycarp, Origen, Ignatius, Papias, Claromontanus, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Athanasius of Alexandria and others. These were long established as accepted by the Christian community long before Constantine and the Latin Vulgate which were over 1000 years before the King James version was printed. Before passing on as fact, please study your historical evidence.

You do understand that the original Scriptures were written by Hebrews to Hebrews, and later included Gentiles. The original languages of the Scriptures were in the Hebrew language, parts in the Aramaic, and later translated to Greek. Make no mistake, the Scriptures are from the Hebrews as spoken through the ordained prophets inspired by the Almighty Himself. He needed no help from “church” translators into Latin.

Erlene,,,
Abraham was a Hebrew, Isaac was a Hebrew, Jacob, was a Hebrew…These three are the
founding fathers of the children of Jacob Israel ,aka The Chosen of God…
Jews and Gentiles did NOT come along until way after Jacob Israel’s boys grew up…
Even Jews and Gentiles were of Hebrew Lineage … See all of Paul’s words on this Jew
Gentile thing ,because ,Paul claimed to be ,a Jew, a Benjamite , a Roman … Paul covers
the lineage thing in the book of Romans and Hebrews …

IF there are truly Hebrews left in today’s world, then THEY are members of the only two known tribes that could possilbly be classified in today’s world, as the only two tribes in the land now called Israel (and at that time it only would have been the area that is NOW called the West Bank, as the mts. and NOT the plains were the part originally given to the Hebrews by GOD!! Those two tribes in the land then and in Jesus’s day were the tribes of Benj. & Judah…. all the others (10) were gone, lost in history!! (AND DON’T argue the point that a few might have been left behind. God’s WORDS says the Assyrians & the Babylonians took ALL of them away in their conquests) (And even if a few did get away into the hills they were not enough to be counted as “tribes” in Jesus’s day) SO the ones in “the land” in Jesus’s day were called JEWS and they did or do have Hebrew blood lines, or Semite blood lines even today, AND that is how the terms Jews and Gentiles came along much later! OF COURSE everyone? knows? that “gentile” does mean “dog” or “heathen” or “pagan” or “infidel”; the same VIEW as the Muslums of today see the WEST!!! That is no change in perception on or of the “rest” of humanity, outside of those two religions!!!

God’s everlasting promise to Abraham was to make his seed the majority on this earth. It is a provable fact that this promise was fulfilled.
He is the father of a multitude of nations as promised.

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david: Abraham was commanded by god to sacrifice his son Isaac. Abraham, obviously a cowardly fanatic, was willing to do it. How can you get on your knees and pray to a god who would command a man to kill his own son? How can you accept such a cruel, sadistic bastard as your god?

Isaac was a type of what was the story of Jesus Christ. Anyway God did not allow it to happen. Abraham, while not perfect, was the friend of God.
I feel sorry for you my friend and pray that some light will come into your bleak world.
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Mike, your ignorance about the sacrifice of Isaac is astounding. If you will bother to actually read the account, you will find that it was never the plan of God to kill him. The purpose was to prove Abraham’s obedience.

John: Yes, I understand that. Clearly, you did not accurately read my comment. Abraham was willing to kill Isaac, but the angel stopped him. My point is exactly as I previously stated. What kind of a coward would be willing to kill his own son to appease a god? Why would you kneel before such a cruel and ruthless god who would test a man’s obedience in such a vile and perverted manner? I think you need a new god. Or no god.

Sorry but that statement is as ‘silly’ as the Muslims saying THEY will be the world’s majority.. what GOD promised Abram was that his seed would be “believers of GOD” or “in GOD” and that they would out number the sands of sea or stars in the sky! NOT that they would be the majority race (human flesh persons) on this planet….. Get it right or not at all, I guess???

Genesis 15;4_6. God said,”out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.”
This is what Abraham believed when God counted him righteouss.
In Isaac shall thy seed be called. The scythians, the sakai, the skutoi, etc all were descendants of the ‘lost tribes of Israel.
Josephus even named them uncountable numbers across the Euphrates river.
Language, tradition, methods of weaving, hybrids of cotton, for instance all point to God keeping His word to His friend
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david: We are still not certain what Richard Nixon said to Spiro Agnew, or what Bill Clinton said to Monica Lewinsky. Nixon and Clinton were both investigated by hordes of investigative reporters, and we still don’t have all the facts. Jesus and god were not followed by reporters, no written record was kept, and all quotes from that period are heresay at best, and probably totally fabricated. However, you have a First Amendment right (until Obama’s next term) that guarantees religious expression NO MATTER HOW STUPID IT IS.

Mike the height of stupidity is to reject a thing without having knowledge of it.
Whether you believe God or not, the world populations came from somewhere. A careful study of a variety of disciplines show that indeed the Hebrew race, and in particular the Isaac branch have spread over the earth. Language alone is a strong indicator of Hebrew influence.
The Bible does declare that the Israel branch would be covered and forget who they were until the latter days.
The Judah side would not forget who they were.
These are some ‘fables’ that just happened to coincide with the biblical declaration.
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david: Of course the world’s population came from “somewhere”. We no longer have to believe myths and bullsh%t. We can purchase, through National Geographic, a DNA swab kit that will trace your DNA to the parts of the globe with the highest concentrations of similar DNA. It’s called the Genographic Project. I suspect that your DNA will be traced to an area with a large population of lemmings.

There is a professor at Duke University that took dna samples from Rabbi Cohen of New York and has tested in many parts of the earth.
He has been shocked at the findings, including many tribes in Africa.
North, south, east, and west was the promise of God.
How many coincides does it take for you to at least be willing to take an honest look?

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david: Take a look at what? I have no doubt that someone born two or three thousand years ago would probably have descendants spread throughout the world. It wouldn’t matter if it were Abraham or Joe the camel jockey.

david: You didn’t answer my question. How can you get on your knees and pray to a god who would sadistically and cruelly ask a man to kill his own son? If your answer is that it was a test of Abraham’s faith, my question remains the same.

Mike, Abraham took Issac to the alter with the mindset that Abe would see Issac raised from death. Abe thought that Issac could be the promised Redeemer, the Messiah that Adam & Eve were told would come.

The Apostle Paul makes this clear in the New Testament.

Issac was a prefigure, a type/illustration of the Messiah who is Yeshua the Anointed.

Thanks.

SamFox

Charlie: You’re as nutty as Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright.

Fortunately, we have you to tell us what God wants plus the real version of history. How did we ever get so lucky?

Benjamin Fox: I love it when you religious nuts insult each other. It’s very entertaining.

MIKE, I often disagree with you, but listening to two people who have their version of their truth argue is somewhat entertaining, though I’d rather be flying.

Grandpa often said, “Never argue with an idiot, someone watching might not be able to tell the difference.”

Grandpa was right, except one of the idiots is sure he’s right about everything.

That is an accurate statement.

Jesus did teach celibacy even tho that was not his main intention for coming here. Read his statement about those who become enuchs for the kingdom of God.And historically until the 12th century celibacy was voluntary. Then there was a lot of corruption in the clergy with the Church at the Lateran council making celibacy a requirement for the western Church.

Not to worry, the United Nations and World Council of Churches and all the Ecumenical Councils and the Divinity Schools of Major Universities are all preparing a Religion which will be palatable to people across the whole world. All you folks who don’t like the God of the Holy Scriptures will have a perfect god created for you, any old allah, buddha, krishna, witchcraft,Marianism, icons, any and all eastern religions,the stars, UFOs,etc., etc.. Those groups will only have two problems, Jews and Christians, but these will only be remnant faithful so you won’t care.

Dear Vigilant,

On this point I concur with you 100%.

The Christ was “Beautiful” Man in fact he was more than likly Married.

His role was the “RE~Birth” of a new form of thinking for all humans to follow. That was by expressing both “Peace and Love.”

On that note; Peace and Love Be with you.

Thank you, TIME.

Peace and Love Be with you too.

TIME,,,
What did King Jesus say and /or mean at Matthew 10:34 ??? Also , what’s your take on
Luke 19:27??? Anyway,,,,
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

T scripture is clear that in the last days things of this nature will be brought forward and that there will be a GREAT falling away. Now hear this Jesus was known in His time that he was the Son of God as He said “Before the world was I am” now He wasn’t sent to us for anyother reason than to save as many souls as possible. He wasn’t sent to get married or have sexual relations with woman If He was Married He would not have the time to do what He was supposed to do and that was to bring humanity back to OUR God. He knew why he was here. He walked amoung us. God was made flesh and dwelt amoung us. Over 5 hundred saw and talked with him for 40 days after He arose from the dead. Now you ether have a Holy Bible or a Bible full opf holes

Jesus is not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls

@Howard Terry

“He would not have the time to do what He was supposed to do…”

Translated: God would not have been able to do what He set out to do if he was married.

What would stop Him? Honey-do’s? Nagging? “Oh, Jesus, not tonight. I have a headache”?

Howard, your god is a rather timid little fellow isn’t he?.

Ted & every one,

Most of what was left out of the Bible was written by the Gnostics. They did a lot of speculation & their thinking was more along the lines of ‘we can do it on our own’ regarding salvation. Plus Gnostic works were written much later than the Gospels & Paul’s epistles & other New Testament letters.

The Gnostic ‘gospels’ were not included in Biblical cannon because they contradicted the Gospels written by real followers of Yeshua [Jesus], the Anointed One & many times went against what even Yeshua Himself said.

The Gnostic writers badly misrepresented Yeshua, His life & totally missed His message of “repent & believe on Me”. They committed fraud by assigning names of real Apostles to many of their writings that were NOT written by the purported authors.

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/gnostics.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/Gnostic-gospels.html

SamFox

TedC,

Gordon, your practicing Jews miss a lot themselves. Not condemning them, but they need to turn to the Messiah that came from Israel as predicted in their own Book. That would be Yeshua Messiah [Jesus Christ]. His message was 1st spread by Orthodox Jews…how do you Jewish folks miss all that? Do you have blinders on or what?

We Christians do not have 3 Gods. There is only One. “The Lord your God is One!” Your Jews miss this one & have misconstrued what the New Testament teaches.

BUT , the Godhead is comprised of 3 Persons, Father [Elohim the I AM that I AM], Son, [Yeshua Messiah the Anointed One] & the Holy Spirit.

There are many times that each is individually mentioned in the Book. “In the beginning, God [Elohim] created the heavens and the earth.” “Let Us make man in Our image.” Elohim is a plural word. ‘Our image’ would be for us, body, soul & spirit., 3 in 1. At Yeshua’s baptism by John the Baptizer we find a primo example of a/the ‘trinity’. Yeshua [Son] was baptized, The Holy Spirit descended on Him as [like, similar to] a dove & the voice of Elohim [Father] spoke, saying “This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased!”.

It is true that the word ‘Trinity’ is not in the Book. But examples of Elohim being 3 in 1 [a triune Being] are all through the Bible.

That Christians make idols is sometimes true. Not good. We do make lots of mistakes. But saying there is a Father, Son & Holy Spirit is not an example of them.

Sabbath to Sunday. That is true. The legal Shabbat is still Saturday, was not changed, as the Sabbath, to Sunday. But followers of Yeshua are not bound by legal ordnances any longer. The whole Old Testament religion was fulfilled by Yeshua who then sat it aside. We can only truly fulfill the Law & Prophets by being in Him. That is easy to prove.

Sunday was celebrated & used as a meeting day because it’s the 1st day of the week, the day that reminds us of when our Master was raised back to life. We should be in our Sabbath rest every day! Every minute of every hour! Read Psalm 91.

Also we are NOT bound by law to Saturday only. Elohim Himself changed that when Yeshua was raised from death. Yeshua Himself is now our rest. Not a day of the week. Though it’s perfectly fine to use Saturday in the physical realm, we are not now bound by law to do so. The book of Hebrews makes this clear. Plus Peter, in Acts, calls the OT system “A yoke that neither we nor our forefathers were able to bear!”. Then there is the fact that the Law & Prophets were not given to Gentiles, but only to Israel.

If Jews are so high & mighty, I’d like them to ask one Q: Why was the Year of Jubilee never kept? That’s a big one to miss keeping…why was it never kept? If, if, IF, the acceptable year of the Lord was ever kept, the OT does not record it. Why?

SamFox

All this is peripheral. Lose the garbage, read the Holy Scriptures, abandon all “church doctrine” that does not totally agree with Scripture, and leave all confusion to the uneducated to sort out as best they can. We should always pray for the lost, for truth to be revealed, and after that, forget it. It is all garbage proffered by satan in attempt to confuse. Refuse confusion. Truth is in the Bible.

Earline, someday if you can, sit down with a real practicing Jew and find out why they won’t accept Christianity.
Go right down the “Moses list” ……. The Ten Commandments
1) Christians have 3 Gods
they make idols
2) They changed the Sabbath to Sunday

should I go on?

Eddie…. lots of things were written.. maybe not with the intent to be in a Bible.
But with divine guidance the right ones did make it.
Now if Christians actually understood the Jewish religion correctly interpreted what their Bible says…… then we’d have something besides the whore of Revelation.

MJB: Wow! You Jesus followers really have tempers! Lighten up! Jesus must have had a dynamic personality to convince so many people to follow him. People with dynamic personalities usually have a sense of humor. I like to think of Jesus as George Carlin married to Shakira.

MikeR,,,
With heathen nerds such as you, might cause any true Christian to grab a wipe and chase you out of the Temple… Most on this site know little or nothing about “sexless love” ,,,or,,, the difference between fear and /or respect ,,,this article is close to blasphemous to the Almighty God and His Son who has the same Authority as His Father. See that at Matthew 28:18… Honor The King of America, King Jesus, at all times
for He has The Power to Bless or Curse… So,,,
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…
Isaiah 54:5 and Jeremiah 32:32 gives some hints as to who the future Bride of King Jesus will be,,,but,,, The Bible does NOT even hint that King Jesus was married while on
planet Earth the first time in the flesh…

Charlie: Where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was (is) King of America? If Jesus wasn’t married, why not?

MikeR,,,
What was and still is the number one Law Book in America??? What was the battle cry at
the bridge when the Minute Men fired at the Red Coats, the bloody brits???
NO KING BUT KING JESUS!!!
Who saved the USS Liberty from sinking ? King Jesus…
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

MIKE you need to understand that Jesus the Christ was not a mamby pamby milk toast kind of guy. HE kicked asses in the temple when they defiled it. HE stood up for correct thinking without fear before the masses or the authorities….
HE won people by compassion and fair judgement, and withstood the onslaughts of the enemies bravely.
NO, Jesus Christ was not an emasculated man.

Prophecy says the today’s church will embrace heresies. There are several that dominate almost every “Christian” denomination extant. Jesus said that HIS sheep would hear HIS voice and follow HIM…..

Start with the Ten Commandments….. start with 1 and 4, then figure out what 3 really means.

Gordon, You must stop. You are making a fool out of yourself, dude. You are missing a few chapters of The Bible for Dummies. Where did you get these ideas, Buddy?
John3;16 states, For GOD so loved the world that HE gave his only Begotten Son That who so ever believes in Him shall not parish but have ever lasting life.
Do you have children, Gordon? If you do, wouldn’t you do anything for you kids? Even put yourself in the line of danger to protect them? When GOD told Abraham that he was going to be the father of nations and then tested Abraham, telling him to sacrifice his son. (Sounds contradictory, doesn’t it.) But he was willing to sacrifice his son. So then our FATHER sacrificed HIS Son so that we can claim the Name of Jesus and been seen in the eyes of GOD. Read HIS word, Gordon with sincerity and an attitude to want to learn…as if your life depended upon it. HE will never leave you or fail you. HE is a ABBA (DADDY) . May GOD richly bless you in your study of HIS word.
Oh,yes, Gordon the fragment saying, that Jesus had a wife, was proceeded by a fragment that said, “Its very doubtful…”.

p.cauch: I assume from your comments that you think if was admirable that Abraham was willing to kill his son when asked by god. I think it’s reprehensible and disgusting. What kind of a vile god would ask a man to do that? What kind of a vile, cowardly man would agree to do it? The crucifixion of Christ is equally disgusting. I am asked to believe that god sent his son to earth to die for our sins. What sins? Adam and Eve’s sins? Why is that my responsibility? My sins? Why was it necessary for Jesus to die in order for god to forgive my sins? Isn’t the god who allegedly created the universe powerful enough to forgive my sins without torturing and murdering Jesus? One more question for you p.cauch. Why didn’t you see the absurdity in this story when you became old enough to think for yourself?

if he was married at least it was to a woman not like all these queers and lisbans.

Erlene obviously didn’t get the jest and I never said she couldn’t have been. Then Larry “contributes” with the same old Conservative Republican slander and cheap “words of wisdom”….. Hardly!

Ever heard of projection?

These are demonic and those who believe it is crazy and don’t believe The Bible. There will be a wedding in Heaven someday at God’s choosing. We will be A Spiritual being not as we are now. We are not entirely Scriptural until the new birth. The New Birth in its fullness.

I have always heard that he was probably married, and that was told to me by more than one Pastor. What’s the big deal? Considering the number of years that have passed since that time, we’ll never know for sure unless someone finds some more Dead Sea scrolls.

Jesus came to die for unsaved souls not to marry and have kids. He is and was God man. This is just more nonsense from the devil and unlearned people fall into a ditch of stupidity where God and Jesus is concerned.

Surely I couldn’t be the only one to correlate that the women in Jesus’ time and culture were treated the same as what we all appall today of the Islamic or Muslim socities. Yet the more popular biblical example from Jesus to end ‘unfair’ treatment was to stop Mary Magdelene from being stoned for promiscuity? Not based on gender at all. Interesting, perhaps our ideals of society are not biblically sound. Now some are going to use a supposed missed point that Jesus might have been married and push their own agenda to further pervert our already Godless society? I guess since we are the most powerful nation, we can suppress the rest of the world to live and believe our satanic ways. How very ignorant and pompus of US to think God agrees with our society. GREATEST doen’t mean Godly!

The primary reason we have progressed to the point we have is our ability, as a society, to listen to religious “leaders,” politely smile, and completely ignore them. Until the Muslim World attains that ability, it will remain hobbled in its attempt to join the Modern World. That being said, we need to engage the Muslim World in order to encourage those moderate, business-oriented elements. If we are constantly in a confrontational mode with them, the radicals end up the victors.

Jeff, islam is a totalitarian political-religious system whose sole purpose is to conquer all the land and either kill or dominate all the infidels. period. study islam. Patting them on the back and trying to be their buddy will not change their agenda.

What is the alternative to encouraging the moderate business elements in the society? Occupation is not going to work.

What you say has some validity in the past couple of hundred years, but what about before that? In the Middle Ages, the same Koran was apparently interpreted differently because the Muslim World was more advanced than was the Western World. I know that back then Jews fared far better in Muslim lands than in Christian. What has changed over the past 2-300 years?

This is not like the Cold War where a change in regime made a big difference. There are a billion Muslims in the world. We’re not going to kill or occupy them all, so cooperation is essential. Clearly, we need to encourage secular parties and politicians, but if we attempt to dictate what we want, it will backfire. The only thing that will curtail extremism and terrorism is for such ideologies to be denounced by the vast majority of Muslims. That will not happen if they see the world in terms of Islam v. The West.

“Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation.” Barrack Hussein Obama, United States Senator

“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Barrack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America

JEFF, you don’t get it, you’ll never get it. To a muslim there is only islam and everybody else. period. (insert favorite insult here)

So, what does that mean – perpetual war?

The flue did not come into being until they started building chimneys. And you did not get sick from it unless you were Santa Claus on Christmas Day and you did not wear a mask.

Dear Fred,

Thats really quite funny, but I think that at least AR is thinking, and thats a truly Great thing.

Peace & LOVE be with you all.

The statement says something about Jesus having a wife. The scripture says the church is the bride of Christ. Could it be wrongly translated, or could later people have misunderstood what the bible said because many people were unable to read original scripture? Much scripture was passed through word of mouth. Anyone who has ever played “telephone” knows how the exact wording and even meaning can change after being passed on a couple of times. Because of dating, they had at least 300 years to mess it up.

Well, I certainly hope so! ~ I don’t have anytime in common with any man that can ignore the pleasures of a woman. ~ That man ain’t right! or he’s gay or proud cut.

ChristyK….. the Christian premise is that GOD directed the conversations and text writing and that no error exists in the verbal or written text because of Divine Intervention. Furthermore the name we translate as Jesus, was as common back then as Bill or Jim is now. I bet lots of Jesuses were married.

Gordon: Have you ever looked under ‘churches’ in the yellow pages of a mid-size city? You will probably find over 100 different denominations and several hundred churches. Christians can’t agree on the story of Jesus. Most of the books in the new testament were written two or three generations after the death of Christ. We’re not sure exactly what Bill Clinton said or didn’t say, and that was only twelve years ago. If it matters to Jesus that I know whether or not he was married, he can send me an e-mail.

Those who disagree with Gordon are simply wrong. It’s the definition of “didactic.”

MIKE R. I hear ya, really. All those so called christian churches in the yellow pages AREN’T. The #1 premise of Chrisitianity (big C) is that Jesus Christ IS GOD. Like the First Commandment in the Ten Commandments… ONE GOD, not 3…… Call all those churches and see how many will tell you that they believe that exactly….. very few. Start with the mormons and Jeh. Witnesses since they are positive they do not. While your on the phone ask about #4…. Do they have church on the Sabbath, or Sunday?

AMEN. And who would give credence to a fragment of obscure text as authoritative? Maybe it was somebody writing a fictional story about a hypothetical situation. It is all BS, why waste time on it.

It was written 400 years after Christ died. If it were from the 1st century, it would have a hell-of-a lot more meaning!

Colonel:

I think it was written by the same guy who “forged” Obama’s birth certificate.

LMAO; That’s bad, get Sheriff Joe on it.

thats true even today many are named Jesus and what would a novelist name a person they wanted to write a story about.

John. Me and Mitt believe that Jesus married, had children and brought the family to America,probably to the mountains of up state New York where the other Jews congregate.While there he decided to start the Morman Church. The Church then moved to Utah which gave them a tax brake all the wives they wanted which sounds a little Muslim to me! If Romey is elected will he take the oath on the Book of Morman? Just asking because it makes no difference to me! It’s the Republican platform that bothers me more!!

Why not. The muslim president took his mis-spoken oath on the Christian Bible….. of course, muslims are suppose to lie to deceive the infidels.

“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Barrack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America

“Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation.” Barrack Hussein Obama, United States Senator

“The Bride of Christ” refers to the body of believers in Christ. Read Revelations.

There is no book of Revelations….. try reading The Book of Revelation (no S) which was not accepted Scripture for many many centuries.

AGREED!!!

Mr. Bass,
1. How does turning water into wine imply marriage?
2. Jesus was referred to as “Rabbi” but the word simply means teacher, it does not denote a title.
3. How is marriage a required ordinance when Paul wrote that it would be better not to marry?

Brian, prophecy and text indicate that Jesus Christ was in fact an ordained rabbi, and went about teaching as such. Most notably is when HE was asked by the authorities to teach in temple… something a NON official rabbi would have ever been allowed to do. Follow HIS years with rabbinical teachings and chronology and you will see where HE was those missing years and why HIS ministry began at age 30. Understanding Christianity is easier if you understand the Jewish religion.

AMEN!!!

Scott,
He was tempted in all ways. What temptation is found in 21st-century marriage that is not found in ancient cultures? Anger, jealousy, lust, etc., etc., etc. He faced them all even if he wasn’t married.

Well, ya gotta admit…… females have a way of making it worse.

Wasn’t that added by King James?

RichE, the King James Bible is the most ridiculed book by the ecumenical movement including the founder of the movement, the Vatican.

The King James Version is a protestant Bible. That’s why the Roman Catholic version differs in several verses and adds books in the middle.

SO WHICH version of the Protestant one or the Catholic one should WE buy and use?, as one of them has to be WRONG and a LIE and to go even farther, which one by date should we use, one from way back when? or one from 2012?

The answer should be obvious – Gordon’s is the correct one.

WHO is Gordon? As the Strong’s Concordia is the BEST word for word translation and transliteraltion out there and IT is built on the KJV of 1611….

Here’s who Gordon is…..
Jesus said in red letters…. “Unless you come as a little child you will in no wise see the Kingdom of God.”
and
“My sheep hear MY voice and they follow Me.”

Then, read whatever you want and see if His voice within you speaks truth to you.

Most religious discussion is a waste of time.

Undermining the voice of woman was simply a part of early male dominated cultures. And if God was or is what everyone seem to believe ~ this demeaning is pure male ego at work and not the work of any God.

The social culture of the times is written into and reflected in the bible offering us a strong male bias. So you can believe whatever you wish to believe and I will defend your right to believe it~ but God didn’t write the Bible, righteous, scholarly men with time on their hands, a powerful conviction and a ego to match wrote the bible at a point in a time where few people could read or write. My grandfather was born in 1891 and by 1955, he couldn’t write anything but his name. Just saying, reading and writing was left for scholars to do back then.

And this man they called Jesus was my kind of guy and I doubt very seriously if he could leave the beauty of a woman left not addressed in manly fashion. My guess is Jesus had children. In fact ~ there are stories written along that line that are pretty entertaining.

This getting carried away with the spirit of righteousness can make you think silly thoughts in your attempt to elevate the characters portrayed in the Bible.

The Jews was a Waring tribes that always had God on their side ~ (sound familiar ?) and the Jews were not all being held in slavery and bondage in Egypt while it’s know that some were as acquiring slaves was standard booty of conquest for the times. They was mostly “employed” while denied the right to organize as devoted skilled craftsmen lived a modest but comfortable life and worked their way above a serfdom existence.

And all standing Armies run on their bellies, it’s a bad idea to beat or starve an army. It a bad idea to “dismiss” an army if you have one. They must be fed, must find work and be engaged in protecting and conquest of new territories. The Jews didn’t just hang around the old campfire, sing songs, praising the Lord and raising sheep and goats.

This glamorizing the exploits of the Jews is really quit a one sided story. While I too love these stories and teaching and insights that they afford us, ~ I’ accepting the fact, I’m read the story from a Jewish viewpoint and surly the only good people around wasn’t just Jews.

What is omitted in this Jewish story, I think we’d all love to know.

deerinwater: No rational, clear-thinking person could believe most of what is written in the bible, the koran, the book of mormon, or the torah. If a large part of earth’s civilization is destroyed by nuclear war, the fires of war will be at least partially fueled by a dispute over whose prophet (or imaginary friend in the sky) is superior,

Deerinthewater, I would be very careful with your false opinion that GOD did not write the Bible. The arrogance of people with this opinion, is astonishing to me, in that GOD says he wrote the Scriptures. So GOD is a liar in your stated opinion. I would be very careful in whom you are calling a liar, there are consequences. Also to suggest that GOD is powerless to control mans writing of the Bible, and also powerless to see to it that it will remain as it always has been “unchanged and inspired” is setting yourselve up as a god, but man has done that since the beginning of time. Mans “your” biggest problem is understanding that the sin committed by our first parents, has been passed to all humans, and that sin is what brought GOD to this earth in the person of Jesus Christ to die in your place, so that upon your acknowledgement that you are a sinner in need of a saviour you could experience the only salvation that will provide to you, eternal life. As far as Jesus being married is simply absurd, but Jesus is engaged. In fact when all “born again christians” leave this earth in the next prophetic event, there will be a marriage take place in heaven, when the true church will be married to Jesus Christ. The Church is the bride of Christ.

al…….. we’re making too much out of this whole thing…. Jesus said in Red Letters….. “Unless you come as a little child you will in no wise see the Kingdom of God”…. and…… “MY sheep hear my voice and they follow ME.”……

Stop making a big deal out of the Bible things.
It just ain’t that tough people……. it just ain’t that tough.

Msbets: You might at least get the name right: “Mohammed.”

Giving false dignity to muslims and islam by proper spelling is not required. IMO

I just fail to grasp the connect ~ or why you continue to sin ~ especially if it calls for someone to die for.

That you do , is all that matters. I suppose?

It’s kind of like Obamacare, it’s there to save you just in case.

Rebecca: You are obviously smarter than me, because you understand why Christ had to die for your sins. Can you explain it to me? God sent his only son to die for your sins. Why didn’t he just kill you? Wouldn’t that have been more just?

THIS IS GOD, I CAN”T DO THAT, as then I would not have any one in Heaven but me, my wife and my son!!!!! I would be lonely!!!

DEER….. it does say “repent”….. which means do your best to STOP sinning, and if you fail, grace covers you.

Those who deliberately sin are ……..

Erlene,
Beautifully put. Apples of Gold in Pitchers of Silver.

you don’t know what you are saying when you criticize Catholics. shut up