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The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

September 10, 2012 by  

The 9/11 Conspiracy Theory
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Tomorrow marks 11 years 9/11.

Tomorrow marks 11 years since the 21st century’s “Pearl Harbor,” the government’s attack on the U.S. Constitution, also known as 9/11, that launched the perpetual “War on Terror.”

Government, the mainstream media and an American populace blinded by normalcy bias, cognitive dissonance or faux patriotism — whatever you want to call it — and the powerful mainstream media propaganda machine consider anyone who questions the official narrative of 9/11 a “conspiracy theorist.” But the official narrative — that 19 hijackers, funded by Osama bin Laden and armed only with box cutters and a couple of flight lessons, commandeered four passenger jets and flew them into three buildings and a Pennsylvania field while U.S. air defenses dithered for almost an hour (in the case of the Pentagon) — is, as former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense and retired Marine Col. Ronald D. Ray says, “the dog that doesn’t hunt.”

Examine the meaning of the words “conspiracy theory,” and you see that the official narrative is a conspiracy theory. Merriam-Webster defines “conspiracy theory” as “a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators.”

The official narrative is just that, as the 9/11 Commission report does not definitively state what transpired that day, but does flesh out the theory that the attacks were carried out by at least 19 conspirators (hijackers) or more if you include bin Laden (the purported financier) and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (the alleged mastermind) working out of a cave in Afghanistan. This theory is considered the gospel according to George W. Bush, and even many of those who acknowledge the Bush regime lied America into the Iraq war are unable — or unwilling — to see that the Bush regime likewise lied us into the entire “War on Terror.” To believe otherwise is to believe in miracles, as David Ray Griffin points out in his book 9/11 Ten Years Later.

There are too many questions, some of which I outlined last year, and the answers given are nonsensical, implausible or impossible.

The Bush regime came into office itching to make war in the Mideast. The neocon wing of Republican Party advocated a stronger military and an aggressive Israel policy and needed “a new Pearl Harbor” to bring it about. The main reasons were two-fold: oil (corporatists for years had been striving for a stable Afghanistan in order to run a pipeline from the Caspian Sea region across Pakistan and Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean) and justification for passage of totalitarian, liberty-stealing legislation that would become known as the USA Patriot Act (the bones of which were assembled by then-Senator, now-Vice President Joe Biden in the 1990s) and help to usher in pappy Bush’s “New World Order.”

The official story is a lie. Adolf Hitler’s axiom, “The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one,” is confirmed. Americans can’t conceive that the elites walking the halls of power are evil psychopaths unencumbered by normal mores.

Their evil knows no bounds. So they conceived of a heinous plot to bring down (at least) three New York buildings and one wing of the Pentagon to halt investigations into financial crimes and launch a multitude of wars and use the fear of terror to steal our liberties. It was also a boon for Larry Silverstein, a friend of pappy Bush through The Carlyle Group.

Ownership of the World Trade Center had recently passed from the New York Port Authority to Silverstein with a convenient out for Silverstein. A clause in the contract provided Silverstein with billions of dollars and a release from obligation in the event of a terrorist attack.

World Trade Center 7, which was obviously imploded — admitted by Silverstein in an interview in which he said the decision was made to “pull” the building — as it fell in free fall in its own footprint after suffering only minor fire damage, housed the Securities and Exchange Commission. So we are led to believe WTC 7 was the first skyscraper in history to collapse from fire alone. The collapse, of course, ended any investigations into illegal trading.

The explosion at the Pentagon that resulted, we are told, from American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the building following a remarkable and almost impossible air maneuver pulled off by a terrorist who couldn’t competently pilot a Cessna conveniently halted an investigation into the disappearance of $2.3 trillion from the Pentagon, as announced by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld the previous day.

It was also the least occupied section of the Pentagon and the area the furthest away from Rumsfeld and top Pentagon brass. The idea that KSM would create such an elaborate plan and goof so badly in selecting the area of the Pentagon to target is absurd.

To believe that skyscrapers designed to withstand multiple crashes by airliners and fires would fall so swiftly and perfectly into their own footprint as a result of crash and fire damage requires a suspension of logic and the laws of physics. As Jim Hoffman writes, “NIST’s assertion that the Tower’s intact structure was ‘unable to stop or even to slow the falling mass’ is absurd: It requires us to believe that the massive steel frames of the towers provided no more resistance to falling rubble than air.”

And then there’s the “mid-air miracle” of the South Tower. As the building begins to collapse, the top portion above the crash site begins to tip toward the corner that had been most damaged by the airplane’s impact.

“According to the law of the conservation of angular momentum, this section should have fallen to the ground far outside the building’s footprint… But the rotation suddenly decelerated. Then it reversed direction even though the law of conservation of angular momentum states that a solid object in rotation will continue to rotate at the same speed unless acted upon by torque.

“And then, as if this were not miracle enough: We observe [wrote physicist Steven Jones] that approximately 30 upper floors begin to rotate as a block, to the south and east. They begin to topple over, not fall straight down. The torque due to gravity on this block is enormous, as is its angular momentum. But then—and this I’m still puzzling over—this block turned mostly to powder in mid-air! How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives?” (source: 9/11 Ten Years Later)

The fact is there were explosives, as stated at the time by witnesses on the ground — including New York City firefighters — who heard and saw them.

The 9/11 Commission was set up — as are all government investigative commissions — to whitewash the facts. George W. Bush first attempted to appoint Henry Kissinger to head the commission, but he backed out over requirements to report his lobbying clients and protests by victims’ families. When the commission finally got under way, it ignored the (often changing) timelines given in public interviews by Cheney, Rumsfeld and others, and the testimony of government whistleblowers — including FBI interpreter Sibel Edmonds — with evidence of complicity within government. Once it was finished, Commission Chairman Thomas Kean and Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton both said they had not gotten to the bottom of 9/11 because of stonewalling by the Administration and various government agencies involved. A member of the commission, Bob Kerry, has stated publicly the commission was set up to fail.

Left uninvestigated and virtually unreported was evidence of involvement by Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Recognizing early on that the official narrative may not play well, Bush stated: “Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty.”

But that is just what the majority of the public have done.

For more information, go to 9/11truth.org. You can also watch the documentary “9/11: Explosive Evidence — Experts Speak Out” on Colorado Public Television. At the very least, this documentary shows the government is lying about WTC 7. If it’s lying about that, is it beyond the realm of possibility that the whole government conspiracy theory is a lie?

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://none Carter

    Kennedy was shot for printing none fed,but Govt. printed paper money based on silver.Watch Change is on the Horizon part 3 of 3 on u-tube. It tells why 9/11 was done.It tells a lot of things.And both Dems and Repubs are in these things together,but it also tells there is a small group within the Govt.trying to go back to Constitutional law and the Gold standard.It also tells if Obama is re-elected he will try to end elections.If your mind is open to 9/11 being an inside job.This expose will frighten you.The non-white guy needs to watch this too.

    • Sirian

      Carter,
      You’re referring to JFK’s exec. order #11110. That effort to limit the Fed was pulled directly after his assassination – by Johnson. Kinda makes you wonder doesn’t it? Trust no one!

      • Jibbs

        http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

        John F. Kennedy
        vs
        The Federal Reserve

        John-F-Kennedy.net Message Board
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        On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

        When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy – the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money – without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy’s Executive Order 11110 [the full text is displayed further below] gave the Treasury Department the explicit authority: “to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.” This means that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation based on the silver bullion physically held there. As a result, more than $4 billion in United States Notes were brought into circulation in $2 and $5 denominations. $10 and $20 United States Notes were never circulated but were being printed by the Treasury Department when Kennedy was assassinated. It appears obvious that President Kennedy knew the Federal Reserve Notes being used as the purported legal currency were contrary to the Constitution of the United States of America.

        “United States Notes” were issued as an interest-free and debt-free currency backed by silver reserves in the U.S. Treasury. We compared a “Federal Reserve Note” issued from the private central bank of the United States (the Federal Reserve Bank a/k/a Federal Reserve System), with a “United States Note” from the U.S. Treasury issued by President Kennedy’s Executive Order. They almost look alike, except one says “Federal Reserve Note” on the top while the other says “United States Note”. Also, the Federal Reserve Note has a green seal and serial number while the United States Note has a red seal and serial number.

        President Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963 and the United States Notes he had issued were immediately taken out of circulation. Federal Reserve Notes continued to serve as the legal currency of the nation. According to the United States Secret Service, 99% of all U.S. paper “currency” circulating in 1999 are Federal Reserve Notes.

        Kennedy knew that if the silver-backed United States Notes were widely circulated, they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve Notes. This is a very simple matter of economics. The USN was backed by silver and the FRN was not backed by anything of intrinsic value. Executive Order 11110 should have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level (virtually all of the nearly $9 trillion in federal debt has been created since 1963) if LBJ or any subsequent President were to enforce it. It would have almost immediately given the U.S. Government the ability to repay its debt without going to the private Federal Reserve Banks and being charged interest to create new “money”. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S.A. the ability to, once again, create its own money backed by silver and realm value worth something.

        Again, according to our own research, just five months after Kennedy was assassinated, no more of the Series 1958 “Silver Certificates” were issued either, and they were subsequently removed from circulation. Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to all future presidents not to interfere with the private Federal Reserve’s control over the creation of money. It seems very apparent that President Kennedy challenged the “powers that exist behind U.S. and world finance”. With true patriotic courage, JFK boldly faced the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt:

        1) war (Viet Nam); and,

        2) the creation of money by a privately owned central bank. His efforts to have all U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965 combined with Executive Order 11110 would have destroyed the profits and control of the private Federal Reserve Bank.

      • Sirian

        Jibbs,
        I would reluctantly assume that, more or less, 99% of the American public are totally unaware of this – Exec. Order 11110. Even more so, at present, it presents itself as if in all honesty, they could care less. I personally ran across this about eight years ago. Have mentioned and directed friends to look it up and read about it. Since then, only a couple have followed through which resulted in nothing more than a quick glance, let alone allowing it an actual period of serious thought.

  • BOOKER T

    THE NWO LOVES THIS STUFF, THE CFR, ARE THE WAR MONGERS, TRILATERAL COMMISSION, ARE THE ORGANIZERS, THE BILDERBERG GROUP ARE THE FUNDER’S, VERY EAST TO FIGURE OUT, TOTAL INSIDE JOB, BOX CUTTERS, PLEASE, MY 9 YEAR OLD IS NOT AFRAID OF A BOX CUTTER. 5 OF THE SO CALLED 19 ARE STILL ALIVE TODAY, WORKING AROUND THE WORLD IN DIFFERENT COUNTRY’S.

  • moses

    you fools who dont bleave the truth ,are you freer today then you were before 911 ,you got hitler in office.so wake the hell up

  • Michael

    This article is absurd – a fantasy that destroys credibility of author. Please discontinue my subscription as do not want to waste time reading rubbish when there are so many important and real issues to deal with.

    • Jibbs

      WTF, you don’t even know how to remove yourself from this mailing list and you judge others…..If I were you, I would stay indoors.

      • Gordon

        good retort… think just a little and you can turn this into a real ad hominem attack.

      • deerinwater

        So? only select people are entitled an opinion? If you people never heard a descending opinion ,you’d be convinced that you were dead on the button and make matters only worse.. We’ d have to break out the Kroptonite to calm you down.

  • Sirian

    As to the actual full truth concerning 9/11, we will never know. The “conspiracy” and the theories that abound are no different than those that have, over the years, done the exact same thing in ref to JFK’s assassination. There may be evidence – both factual and theorized – that have flowed forth on a regular schedule. THEORY. . . “a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles of the thing to be explained”. In simple terms – it’s wide open to an untold number of explanations, supposed or not, ideas as to both who may have been behind or involved and the basis thereof. Yet will it ever be brought into the light of the public’s mind that will in the end demand arrests and trials? Don’t count on it. Over the coming years there will be who know’s how many new books, films and video’s that will be produced and at times run rampant since “there has been new secret evidence uncovered and boldly revealed”. Sound familiar? It’s been eleven years – how long will it be before we know absolutely for sure one way or another? Is an answer necessary?

  • Larry B

    Bob, what a load of crap, I think you are losing your mind!!!

  • Mike W.

    I will always ask this question for the rest of my life. How could a nation that spends over $50 billion on “intelligence” ever let something like this happen? For the most part, any answer will never be sufficient, even if it were the honest-to-God truth.

    • KG

      “You want THE TRUTH? YOU CAN”T HANDLE THE TRUTH!” – Jack Nicholson

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Good question, Mike! But your question is for thinking people. It is not a question for liberal algae.

  • Ted Crawford

    This constant disingenuouse America Bashing will win NO quality converts to your Libertarian cause! While it’s certain that all conspiracies are not theoretical , and that we were not told the entire truth of the response to it, it seems that Bush and most of his advisors were always intent on attacking Iraq, the attack itself was real!
    The Terrorists had many options, including the one they chose, to take out many targets! It was and is still, impossible to defend against everyone of these possibilities, without declaring Martial Law!
    I’m certain that everyone, in the Administration and the Intelligence Community, expected ‘something’ to happen! The wise still do, because it most certainly will! Hindsight is 20/20. If you guys are truly so wise, do us all a favor, tell us when and where and how the next major attack will occur! Mr. Wilson explained the philosophy of the Cycnical Idealist!
    Good Day

    • John

      Who is “The cynical Idealist”. Surely not Woodrow Wilson the wonderful drug addicted president who gave us the “Income Tax” and the “Federal Reserve Board” and abolished the only constitutional way the Fedral government can generate revenue hte woodruff tariff? You must be speaking of John Lennon. He is the only cynical idealist I know of.

      • Ted Crawford

        Clearly! ! I wasn’t quoting Woodrow! !
        Her is the quote I was refering to by Robert Aston Wilson; “Cynics regard everyone as equally corrupt…Idealist regard everyone as equally corrupt, except themselves”

  • Wayne Springer

    Jesus Bob, did you bang your head, you give all wonderful stuff about inertial momentum but where are the facts. Could the rotation have been stopped because of specific beams that had not been as damaged? Was someone sitting on top of a building with a Remote Control to explode certain explosives to make everything go “AS PLANNED”? Who rigged WTC1, 2 and 7 to blow, any video of suspicious folks entering the building days or weeks before the attack? Watching building demolition, the setting up takes weeks to months just to topple a building. So now I have to believe that this was in play that long before the attack. And that these folks were better than the experts to drop WTC7 in its foot print with little or no setup time? I do agree however that the government lied but it was the lies about how well our surveillance was and that all branches CIA, FBI and NSA and possibly others Americans are unaware of, were working together in America’s best interest. At least in the Kennedy video one can see Kennedy get hit multiple times. Now I’m to believe that the “conspirators” have perfected their game to eliminate blatant evidence. Come on Bob give us something! All we have right now is JUNK. One says this happened because of A, B or C but without a picture or a video image or an email, a memo, a letter or even a tape of “A” conversation. Have you taken to drinking the toxic Kool Aid?

  • Baloney Toney Mahoney

    The Mahoney Man says; While nothing the govt. might do would surprise me, I’m still a bit skeptical, but will go forward with an open mind…but, what has come to me is the actual Islamists who were charged with the crimes…they admit they did it, so how come none of them has come forward & thrown our govt. under the bus? What do they have to lose, if this theory is true someone had to get to them, right? Maybe this is why we tried to kill bin-Laden instead of trying to capture him live…what secrets could he be harboring?

    • Karolyn

      I don’t often afree with you Baloney, but you do make a good point Of course, they could just bemaking points for being martyrs. However, of course, they know that Allah knows the truth.

  • Doris

    I refuse to waste my time reading such absurb propaganda..I cannot believe that it has come down to this..Democrats attacking Republican’s in such a way thats its cruel,and demeaning..
    Over 3000 people died on 9/11..A day that no American will ever be able to forget,and you want the American people to believe that the republican’s actually set this up,to kill their own people..am I understanding this right ? I refuse to be drawn into such outrageous accusations,and I won’t be..
    There is only one problem that I see here,I know that President George Bush was hated by the democrats, and the democratic party. as I see it,democrats seem to be so totally consumed by hate,judging by some of your past actions and hurtful lies..It seems they will do and say just about anything that advances their parties agenda,no matter who or what it may hurt..This type of hate is,like cancer,the more you hate,the deeper it goes.
    All I have left to say is..Sorry,go peddle your garbage somewhere else,its just not going to work here..

    • John

      This has nothing to do with Democrats or Republicans. It has to do with globalists who want you dead. They wish to control the world and they care not how many useless eaters are killed in this endeavor. Bush works for the Rothschilds as does Obama. Investigate for yourself! Do not take anyboby’s word. The answers are out there.

    • mark

      No, you are wrong Doris. All these mad and ludicrous theories that George Bush detonated the Twin Towers do not come from the extreme right. They overwhelmingly originate from extreme right-wing and liberatarian groups and individuals. Mainstream democrats despised Bush’s foreign policy of Middle East invasion, his invasion of Iraq for the non-existent Weapons of Mass Destruction but none of them accuse him of engineering 9/11. That cuckoo-clock conspiracy theory is of the far-right.

      • Doris

        Mark.. let me see if I understand what you are saying here..Are you telling me that all this is coming from the republican’s own party and the libertarian’s, and not from the left.
        Now you cannot expect me to believe that can you ? Give me something solid to go on,or why you believe the way you do….

      • mark

        Dear Doris,

        Bob Livingston who wrote this article is not a Democrat or a leftist. He is a conservative and radical libertarian. (Sorry I screwed up in my first sentence what I meant to say was that most followers of 9/11 conspiracy theories – most but not all – are people of the right who hate the U.S. goverment and its expanding powers – and accuse it of all sorts of conspiracies under both Bush and Obama. Most democrats believe in an expanding and more powerful U.S. federal gov’t)

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear mark,

        You write: “He is a conservative and radical libertarian.” I have never claimed to be a libertarian. And yes, the Constitution is a “radical” document.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Gordon

        AMEN BOB = BRAVO, well said.

      • Blackpitch

        Mark, So you’re saying that Fahrenheit 911 was produced by right-wing libertarian nut job Michael Moore?

      • deerinwater

        Doris; I know it must comes as a great surprise to you but this is global politics and the people working behind the events can and do live anywhere they want too. In fact, they are free to move about at their leisure. Look at it like this , if you owned a coal mine or steel mill why would you want to live there? It not really about money but the power of money. The money is just a way of keeping an accounting.

        That you and many others have been indoctrinated to believe democrats are the fountain head to all evil is only national American partisan politics at work. This “divide” is created as a distraction from the reality of what is actually taking place as personal liberties are eroding while you are being desensitized to notice.

        To such elite people, ~ people are an expendable renewable resource. Until the time comes when there is more work to be done and not enough people to do this work, humans are actually a commodity to be used and discarded.

        It’s never really been science fiction at all, in one way or another most of us are a “Copper Top” supplying the power to “produce the work” as one thing begets another.

    • Mike

      Not believing is your right. Just dont stick your head too far in the sand. It 9/11 a conspiracy theory or not? I cannot say yet.
      Do you really trust the Gov’t to do what is in your best interest? Or for theirs?
      Keep an open mind and open eyes. I just hope more see the feal face of gov’t before it is too late.

    • eddie47d

      Pray tell Doris where does this article state the the Democrats are attacking Republicans within this article.

    • deerinwater

      While Lee Atwater has turned politics into some sort of a “blood sport” Doris is true. Most democrats didn’t “hate” W, they hated what he did and was doing and for good reason but they did “hate” the man.

      To not play this “blood sport” is to lose to an opponent that is “willing too” ~ To just lay down and allow the GOP to kick our ribs in, might be what people like yourself and the GOP would like to see happen. Clearly you’d enjoy attacking another well mannered Jimmy Carter and expect some timid Christian response. ~~ well, those days are over and you have Lee Atwater and Karl Rove to thank for today’s political rancor.

      While our democratic leadership might elect to take “the high road” it is for pundits to do the trench fighting and willing to match hate with hate , fire with fire and blow for blow.

      That Lee and Karl started this “rock fight” clearly has long been forgotten as “selective memory” can a does ~ work both ways.

      Politics has became an “Industry” of “media” in much the same way bail bondmen, attorneys, probation offices and the court systems are a “Industry” spin off of “Crime” ~ One thing begets another.

      By posture & proclamation each affiliate fights for position to win the hearts and minds of the ” voting public”

      To not play, ~ wear strange outfits that offer flare and draw attention, to not dance about and show your authority, to not make outlandish comments and launch absurd verbal attacks the voters attention will wane.

      I suggest, ~ you step back and take a deep breath and view it for what it really is ~ A Political Drama that employs all the stage craft that money can buy to create illusions that your guy is the right guy! And if he is not the right guy, at least he is better then the “other” guy.

      Democrats really don’t have two heads and a long pointed tail.

      • Mike G

        The democrats picked the right animal to represent them, the shoe fits perfectly

      • deerinwater

        LOL! an animal with a tail at both ends is equally most befitting a Republican.

    • Antirino

      The Democrats hate George Bush. Therefore, George Bush must be a great man.

      • deerinwater

        A great day for the snake is a bad day for the frog.

      • Kate8

        I’d say that they are all a den of vipers.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        No, Democrats hate Bush because he’s not a Democrat. It had nothing to do with his policies. If he had been a Democrat, they would have championed his policies to the letter!

      • Kate8

        Jay – Ain’t that the truth.

        Obama’s not much different, really. Only worse. And they champion him all the way. In fact, he’d have a harder time doing many of the things he’s doing had W not paved the way for him.

      • deerinwater

        Jay say; “If he had been a Democrat, they would have championed his policies to the letter!”

        You can say that all day, every day for the next 100 days and it will be just as untrue the first day and the last day Jay. “W” simple was not now or ever being Democrat material in any shape , form or fashion. ~~ When you hear a democrat president proclaim to the nation , “I am the decider” hell will freeze over. “W” didn’t really have “social policies” as I recall, unless it was a tax break or a nice fence contracted out to the Minority American ( North American Indians) that employed Mexican day labor to keep Mexicans and indigenous Indians out. An amazing feat that offered greater value to the services offered by the Coyote that traffics in human cargo.

    • George Washington

      Did you know that OUR government flew planes over metro areas years ago and dropped VIRUSES ON THE PUBLIC WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE, just to see what would happen? Did you also know that small southern towns were also forced to be injected with viruses that caused flu-like symptoms and worse?
      Do you recall reading about the blankets the military handed out to the indians during their marches that were PURPOSELY INFECTED so the indians would DOES from that?
      Are you REALLY that IGNORANT to believe that our government would NOT conspire AGAINST US for its own greedy goals? Oswald could NOT have shot Kennedy, NO bullet causes REVERSE KINETIC ENERGY, it is OPPOSITE and REACTIONARY. The bullet HITS, the BODY being hit, moves in the OPPOSITE DIRECTION, it is called the LAW OF EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION. A stone hits your car door, it makes a dent, THAT is a REACTIONARY RESPONSE, it MUST OBEY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, it can NOT be negated simply because you want it to be that way!

      • George Washington

        CORRECTION: Too bad there is no way to stop a post once you hit enter.
        Reactionary means that the force applied causes the affected body or bodies to move in the same direction when hit by an object. The more mass used, the greater the effect(usually) Except in the case of tissue, as in the human body, which absorbs a ot of the shock from the bullet striking and then expanding, spreading out the shock as it expands, expending its energy into the tissue. Kennedy’s HEAD moved in the same direction as the incoming round, the film clip shows this clearly. The bullet HIT the BACK of his head, causing his head to rotate FORWARD, in the SAME direction as the bulet was travelling, it could NOT rotate AGAINST the force of the bullet, that violates the laws of physics, and is impossible.
        Thos that explicitly trust everything the government tells them, is a FOOL, and will always be misled by those with an agenda to goad us into accepting their excuses, because we WANT TO BELIEVE, and THAT, is our problem. The willingness to believe allows us to blindly accept ANY somewhat logical explanation as to what, when, how and why things happen or occur. 9/11 is no different, ESPECIALLY since the ONLY people telling the stories were ALWAYS some government official, and NEVER asecondary source, such as the designers of the buildings, the architects, the steel workers that BUILT the towers…You guessed it now…NOBODY THAT REALLY KNEW had ANYTHING to say, it was ALWAYS a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, who KNOWS NOTHING about HOW those towere were designed, or their structural integrity…NOTHING was known by these officials, but THEY were the ONLY ones doing the speeches….A little more than absurd, wouldn’t you agree?

        Government mouthpieces become ENGINEERS OVERNIGHT….AMAZING!!!
        Government LIES, they ALWAYS LIE, and ALWAYS WILL LIE when it SUITS THEM!

      • Kate8

        George, government has been spraying us for decades. It really began in full swing during the mid ’90s, and continues to this day. Chemtrails, and now, chembombs which don’t leave so many streaks and Xs.

        This, and poisoning our water, our food, our medicines, cosmetics, clothing…

        Not even to mention lightbulbs, TVs, cell phones and smartmeters…

        Are we all beginning to see a pattern here? Like, maybe they want us all to DIE?

        Of course, I’m just a paranoid conspiracy theorist. Tin foil hat.

    • Gordon

      Doris, you state something like nobody will be able to forget 9/11.

      FACT is that 99.9% of America has forgotten a long long time ago. All the flag waving, etc, that happened for months….. then disappeared after 3 years……. out here in middle America nearly every year I have the opportunity to travel 30 to 300 miles on 9/11 day. NOBODY, I mean NOBODY flies OLD GLORY any more, except the ususal suspects who the last 3 years did not even have The Flag at half mast. I am betting that this 9/11 that I have the only vehicle with OLD GLORY (and POW/MIA) flags displayed. I saw one flag displayed 2 years ago, and none last year on a 300 mile trip.

      Sorry Doris, America has forgotten, and except for a few conspiracy threorists, nobody actually gives a xxxx.

      Ya, I am the FLAG waving guy who still puts my hand over my heart when the Star Spangled Banner is played. I AM the guy who shouted very loudly and told several people last month to STOP TALKING during the Anthem. Disrespectful bunch. Typical of the under 50 generation. Ya there were no old people talking, and they saluted in respect.

      • Gordon

        Sept 11 has passed. NObody here flew their flags. Some “usual” residences and businesses did not even put it at half mast…… including the local WalMart. Casually mentioning it throughout the day, few even remembered the date. Typical as expected. I hope your area of the USA is more “patriotic”.

    • DAVE

      WOW! I’ve seen more hate directed at Dems and Obama than was ever directed at W. Those of us who despised W did so because he was wrecking the country. I was OK with him at first until 9/11 happened and I realized what actually happened. A president participating in the murder of 3,000 of his own citizens to justify the murder of millions abroad for the sake of his Caryle Group buddies and Cheneys Haliburton boys deserves to be hated by ALL Americans. If people would turn off Rush, Hannutty, and Faux news, they would realize that Obama is just a 3rd term of GWB.
      Hats off to Bob for writing this fine article. It’s nice to see something truthful here directed at an R!

    • Operation Mindcrime

      You really should take a look at Carroll Quigley. He was Bill Clintons mentor and he was also insider to the Elites. His quote from his book “Tragedy & Hope” is very telling. this myth that either side is really doing anything different is just a scam to keep opposing sides fighting so that they can always be in power rather than kick them out. There is a reason we do not have a 3rd party system. Here is the quote, you should look him up.
      ——————-
      The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.

      – Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

    • Mike Eck

      Where Did The Towers Go?
      http://www.amazon.com/Towers-Evidence-Directed-Free-energy-Technology/dp/0615412564
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4N3Y4Jj6WU

      Sure, it is much easier to believe everything the government you worship tells you, but if ya want the truth, ya gotta do some digging. I admit that I still do not know exactly what happened, but I am 100% sure that what we were told was a fairy tell.

      Mike

  • Framingham47

    Where is government “Block of Bloggers” spreading their “misinformation”,refuting your allegations that you wackos also believe in??

    • John

      They don’t need a block of bloggers(are you one of them?). They own Fox, NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN, and their affiliates. Seek the truth! I did not believe 9/11 was a conspiracy at first either. I knew that Roosevelt was aware of the attack on Pearl Harbor long before it began(we broke their Naval code before 1932). If our government would push us into WWII why is it so far fetched to believe they would not conspire to involve us in 9/11? I suppose you believe that everything in life is serendipity.

  • Jurgy

    Many Americans just won’t admit that we were duped by what they consider not-so-smart radicals huddled in a cave – after all, we are Americans, and are smarter and more sophisticated than Arabs with box cutters … really? the gov’t line on the 9/11 attacks is generally true – it’s American hubris that got us into trouble – we should have paid attention when the first attempt was made to bring down the WTC

    • Retired Army Officer

      True……true……

      • Karen Moldthan

        I agree with Retired Army Officer. It is what it is and there was no inside conspiracy. The people responsible for 9/11 were the 19 hijackers and those who assisted them. In other words, Muslims. Yes. The war on terror is civilization vs. Islam. Choose wisely and stop with the nonsense.
        If you want a conspiracy, Bob, check out youtube video of Benazir Bhutto on David Frost interview 3 months before she was murdered. She stated on live television that it was no secret amongst them Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Sheik Omar 3 years before her interview! How about those apples? The CIA kept his body on ice in time to pull Obama out of a hole over his faked birth certificate. If that weren’t enough the entire team of seals were murdered midair in a helicopter shortly after. Dead men don’t talk.
        Now we have the Pentagon reportedly doing all they can to stop Mark Owens’ book about a Navy Seals account of killing Bin Laden. Meanwhile I got a newletter from Militarynews telling me not to miss buying Mark Owens book! I think the Pentagon might want to realise we are fully aware this is nothing more than a plug for Obama’s re-election! After all he is the first president in history to order the murder of someone who was already dead for years! Try that one out, Bob. Otherwise, love your articles, keep them coming.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Karen Moldthan,

        You write: ” It is what it is and there was no inside conspiracy.” and “If you want a conspiracy, Bob, check out youtube video of Benazir Bhutto on David Frost interview 3 months before she was murdered. She stated on live television that it was no secret amongst them Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Sheik Omar 3 years before her interview! How about those apples?” These two statements imply cognitive dissonance. By the way, I have written before that Obama did not kill Osama.

        http://personalliberty.com/2011/10/10/cognitive-dissonance/
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Gordon

        Bob, I think you’re leaning too far towards ad hominem attacks. Refute the statements, not the persons.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Gordon,

        That was not an ad hominem. I pointed out the cognitive dissonance in her two statements.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Kate8

        Karen Moldthan – So, you are picking and choosing your conspiracies?

        How do you determine which are and… which aren’t?

        My guess is, you choose what to believe based on what your mind can most easily accept. Remember, belief is not truth. It’s only belief. No matter how many people believe a lie, it’s still a lie.

        We see it every day. “Believing is seeing”. If a thing is just too terrible to accept, the mind will simply choose to not believe it.

        And the PTB know this about us, and use it to their advantage. 9-11 did exactly what they wanted it to do… got us all hopping on the war wagon.

        Check into the history of false flags. You’ll be amazed.

        Of course, you can always choose not to believe it.

      • deerinwater

        Katie8 say; “My guess is, you choose what to believe based on what your mind can most easily accept. Remember, belief is not truth. It’s only belief. No matter how many people believe a lie, it’s still a lie.”

        Well , ~ how do you choose Katie? Believe the hardest thing to believe?

      • Kate8

        deer – As a matter of fact, no.

        For a long time I accepted the official story. I believed in America. I supported the war, waved my flag…and, sadly, voted for GWB.

        Nope. I started adding up the things I’d already learned in the past about covert guv activities, and began actually looking at the evidence, connecting the dots.

        I don’t claim to know the whole truth about anything. But you can find common threads if you look, and start putting two and two together.

        It takes time and a great deal of interest, but I am a person who values truth over comfort. Truth at all costs. I’d rather know the truth, no matter how bad, than believe a lie. Truth MUST be exposed if we are to take a new direction.

        Actually, I don’t solidify belief at all. I hold an impression until more information alters that impression. I don’t get attached to things being a certain way. That way I don’t have resistance when new info arrives. I have an inner plausibility meter, and if things seem to add up, they are filed for future reference. I have pretty good discernment for the absurd.

        Again, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…most likely, it’s a duck.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Well said, Kate8…good way to summerize it. Your not alone in your view point.

        I also was a believer in the dream of what America was…all delivered by the public (un)education system and the mass media’s filter. But the truth shattered virtually everything that I thought I knew as I learned that there was a series of dots (of information) that showed what the power elites have been up to during the past. It was horrible to digest it all at first.

        This caused me to start researching and my life has never been the same since.

        I honestly don’t know what I would have done earlier in my life had I known what I now believe is the truth of this world. I just know that I will go wherever the truth leads me…even it’s not a popular topic to discuss.

        God Bless.

      • deerinwater

        “no secret amongst them Osama Bin Laden had been murdered by Sheik Omar 3 years before her interview! How about those apples?” These two statements imply cognitive dissonance. By the way, I have written before that Obama did not kill Osama.”

        I would more tend to believe such a rumor of Osama demise would serve Osama better then anyone else. I watched the clip and only the only evidence offered is hearsay.

        If you was the most hunted man in the world, by the most powerful nation in the world what would you do? I’d take my money, women and babies and go hide somewhere while I planted seeds of my demise in fertile soil and lay low , off the radar.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      Jurgy, I know Arabs, Muslims, etc. can be very intelligent. They had beautiful cities with knowledge of mathematics and architecture when Stonehenge was still a pup. Look at the Taj Mahal. Built by Muslims. The reason I do not think they did it is not because they haven’t the smarts to at least conceive of it.
      The reason I think it was insiders in our government is because of too many coincidences. Start with the Project for a New American Century. As David Ray Griffiths, the theologian, who has written so many well-researched books on 9/11 quoted in his “The New Pearl Harbor,” PNAC had written in 2000, that the American public would not go for a big expansion in the US military without a “catalytic and catastrophic event like a New Pearl Harbor.” The signatories included Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush and more neo-cons including many who were dual US-Israeli citizens. They had been influenced by the philosophy of peak oil. This meant that the oil was finite and it was soon going to have been used up beyond its peak. They included a lot of oil people, like Bush and Cheney, and they wanted to get control of the Middle East Oil and gas fields. George W. Bush had invited the Taliban to visit him in Texas when he was governor. He wanted them to let an American group build a pipeline from the Caspian to the Indian Ocean. They did not go for it and wereplaced on the hit list. ‘
      When George got elected, the Afghanis were on the back burner. They had to plan the War Games and they even changed the protocol for responding to a hijacking. Before NORAD could go in and take out the plane directly as before it was changed so it had to go through the President, Vice President or the Secretary of Defense.
      Jurgy, you seem to believe the “box cutter” story. That story came from Barbara Olson who was allegedly killed on Fl 77. Her husband Ted told us on Larry King Live how she had called him twice. One time she described the box cutter boys, he said. She told him the Pilot, Charles Burlingame, a retired Navy pilot and Naval Reservist who had worked on drills of what to do in case the Pentagon was attacked, was forced out of his cockpit and forced to sit in the back of the plane near Barbara. Ted said Barbara asked him what she should tell the pilot to do. One major problem with this story, the FBI testified at the Zaccharias Moussaoui trial in 2006, that there were no connected calls between Barbara and Ted. The other problem is the fact that Chuck Burlingame was a huge powerful body builder and his family said there is no way he would have given up his cockpit if he weren’t dead first. The other aspect was that the alleged hijacker pilot was Hani Hanjour. He was about 5′ tall and about 120 pounds. Furthermore, he had gone to different flight schools and the though he was pathetic. He had tried to rent a Cessna the month before, and they tested him and refused to let him rent it., he was that bad. Yet the airliner was supposed to have flown straight by Rumsfeld and the big brass to the opposite side where the plane made a 330 degree spiral and dive, caught on radar. It supposedly hit the opposite side of the Pentagon between first and second stories. No one saw the wings, motors, or passengers and the FBI showed up at nearby gas station and also ahotel to confiscate their videos, within five minutes of the impact.
      Guess where the damage was? Right where accountants were looking for the $2.3 TRILLION Rumsfeld had announced missing ONE DAY BEFORE! The money was never accounted for to this day. (That would be a lot of hush money, or plenty of hit men wouldn’t it?)
      While all this was going on back at the ranch, I mean the White House Bunker, Norman Minetta, the Secretary of Transportation arrived at about 9:15. Dick Cheney was already there. Minetta testified for the 9/11 commission that he saw a young man coming in to tell Cheney about an approaching jet. Finally, the young man asked “Do the orders still stand?” Cheney said “Did anyone tell you otherwise?” Soon the Pentagon was hit – no evacuations or apparent defences. Later in September, Cheney told Tim Russert on Meet the Press that he was in the Bunker (His wife was there too) when the Pentagon was hit.
      Something really strange happened. Dual US_Israeli citizen and Bush insider, Norman Zellikow, a co-author previously of a book with Condoleezza Rice, and now Executive Director of the Commission EXCLUDED Mineta’s testimony and claimed Cheney didn’t get to the bunker until 10:00. Preposterous. Zelikow also excluded all first responsders and fire-fighters testimony. He toook statemenfts from William Rodriguez, the custodian who had saved many many lives by unlocking the stairwells. He may have been the last out alive and he was honored as a hero at the White House. He refused to change his story, however, that he heard a lower basement level explosion and saw the ceiling tiles fall and a man on fire BEFORE the impact of the plane was heard and felt up high above. He has continued to tell his story to this day. But Zelikow kept it out of the final report. Others also testified the lobby was heavily damaged before people reached it or debris or fire impacted it from above.

  • James

    Reccomend you all check out the bigbamboozle.com concerning 9/11 the author puts forth some very interesting information

    • http://na Mike in NE

      Kate8, that is one of my primary concerns. Trained military doing as they are told. I can hold my own from street thugs and the like, but not from the greatest fighting force on the planet.

      • Feargy852

        I am afraid to say Kate “that is the big difference between real soldiers of conduct and robots” !! Real soldiers will question an unlawful order !!

      • jeff

        I don’t necessarily think it is going to be our soldiers were going to need to worried about.

      • Deerinwater

        ““that is the big difference between real soldiers of conduct and robots”

        You hang on to that comforting thought ~ As for myself, I hated to ride in the same bus with a bunch of what you calling real soldiers.

        Soldiers usually don’t spend a lot of time thinking ~ the thinking is over when you see your first buddy shot up.

        But given the time to think there is a big difference between a platoon of soldiers and a angry armed mob, they are much more deadly for one thing and given the opportunity of time, they will discriminate if they are not pissed off or they might send everyone down range to hell and let God figure it out.

        Have you ever heard of “Recon by fire”? It’s basically, in case of any doubt or question, anything that moves gets a clip. Depending on who you are, is also called “Friendly Fire”

  • T A

    This theory has to depend on hundreds of people holding back the truth of the implementation of the operation, from the planners to the crews that it would take to set the explosives to the coordinators of the demolition itself. I can not bring myself to believe there would be no one of the hundreds of personel involved that would not come forth to expose such a scheme, this theory is just that, no facts or witnesses to verify that it was a plan of our government, just speculators in an attempt to justify their existence

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      What if all the workers chosen for this job were all part of an Internation Secret Society and they were all working for the same Agenda? Can you fathom the possibility of such an orchestrated even then or is your mind to closed to analyze the evidence out there that says this is Exactly what has happened?

      God Bless.

      • Kate8

        Brother Patriot – One would think that military people would, especially, want to know the whole truth.

        Unfortunately, that is not the case. Maybe because they cannot comprehend that the government they serve is evil. They just cannot accept that and live with themselves.

        My sister, a retired colonel, still believes that our government is good. I’ve tried for many years to open her mind to all of these things, but she just won’t hear it. She was in Viet Nam, and she is still upset with the American people for not believing that they were there fighting for “freedom”.

        But then, how can people accept that what they dedicated their lives to, what they RISKED there lives for, is not as it seemed? That it was all a SCAM.

        Military people are some of the MOST blind. And these are the very people who we must rely on to protect and defend.

        Unfortunately, many of them are being TURNED ON US. they will protect and defend…not us, but the government….AGAINST US.

      • Lynnette

        How very true. Some of the military are aware, but not enough. When the time comes, everyone will be fighting one another. There will be whole sale bloodshed. The Nazi Death camps will become a reality and their name is FEMA. Obama plans something [expletive deleted] and my guess it will be around October 20th (Fall Equinox), just prior to the elections. He will declare Martial Law, mobilizing our troops and police against us probably because the economy finally implodes and all hell will break loose.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Correct, kate8. Many in the military are sheep & very willing to just do as they are told. Unfortunately, the ones that are true to the Constitution are being driven from the military w/such things as the gay agenda & such…thus further decreasing the count of true patriots still serving.

        Just as that fellow said about the world and events…if it happens you can bet it was planned to happen. To lazy to look up the direct quote but it’s out there…lol. Sooo…this attack to weaken our military is on many levels.

        But lose not all faith…there are many patriotic military men & women. I’m still hoping that the top brass not involved will eventually band together & do their duty. I know I would…if I still served and had climbed to a higher position. But that’s the problem…people like me loyal to the Constitution now have qualms sending my children into the military. THEY sure have done their jobs well…now haven’t they?

        God Bless & nice talking to you and the rest of the loyalists, kate8.

      • Gordon

        What if, what if, what if? What if frogs had wings they wouldn’t bump their butt when they hop.

      • Kate8

        Yes, Gordon. Let’s just all keep our eyes and ears shut tight and ignore the warnings. Better not to listen to our inner alarms going off. Ignore all of the troubling actions being taken, look the other way at all of the lies, the deceit, and under-the-radar moves against our freedom.

        Let’s ignore the facts about those in office, villify those who speak out in warning and protest….Let’s not look at the large numbers of people who are being wisked up and dissappeared…

        I am sure you are probably atheist or something, but Yeshua rebuked those who could not read the signs of the coming seasons. He commanded us to keep watch, and to know when evil is approaching. He condemned those who carried on as if things were normal when danger was approaching. And He told us how to recognize it.

        As it was in the days of Noah… people were busy with their lives, refusing to listen… mocking his warnings… and guess what happened to them.

      • Whit

        @Lynette:

        A small correction. Autumn (fall) equinox is September 22.

        Cheers

      • Lynnette

        Whit…thank you for the correction. I realized it too late and truthfully was too lazy to go back and correct it. I;ve been watching the fireworks instead.

      • Mike G

        your really grasping for straws, to find so many people with the time to set this all up.
        Probably the majority of the conspiracy theory people in here a bleeding heart libeeral Bush haters..
        We have a fairy tail White house now. obama, liar Pinocchio……biden a moron is dopey from snow white. and pelosi, the ugly witch from Oz…………..no wonder this country is in trouble lol

      • Gordon

        Kate8, don’t go there, it is beneath even you. Your lashing out about comments questioning the unsubstantiated statements might indicate that facts are irrelevant. Since you mentioned Matt 24, Jesus always taught using stories commoners could understand. When they asked Him how it would be He spoke plainly. = So who stayed during the whole tribulation period, and who were killed (taken)? Gotta be that way to line up with OT prophecy, so think again…… who was taken? Or was this Bible Jesus a liar? FYI I am a born again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the spirit of correct “Christianity”, big “C”, I believe that Jesus Christ of the Bible IS GOD, just as OT prophecy proclaims. (something that mormons, JWs , and some main stream “christians”, small c, don’t believe.) There are 10 substantial damnable heresies in the modern day churches. Ask a learned Jew why they won’t listen to ‘christian’ preaching.

      • Kate8

        Gordon – I have no idea what your point is with that. Just what did I say that was “beneath” even me?

        So, you believe that you have the REAL truth. Sheesh. Doesn’t everyone. You have no idea what I think and I’m not about to tell you. It’s irrelevant, because what you believe, what I believe…are just what we believe… We’ll find out soon enough, I suppose. Maybe when the time comes we can compare notes.

      • Gordon

        Kate8 I apologize to you. Certainly it is not beneath you nor anyone else to begin preaching Scripture in a vain attempt to substantiate beliefs in conspiracy theories. Go for it!!!!!!

    • Feargy852

      TA, all the evidence is there in abundance however you refuse to accept it !! The only reason the Government did not allow a full scientific investigation is because all the ugly truths would be highlighted !! Also why was all the debris material shipped to China ?? It sure was one way of getting rid of the evidence !!!

  • Warrior

    Figure out the force generated when 5,000 TONS drops 15 feet and you understand why the buildings pancaked.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Warrior,

      You write: “Figure out the force generated when 5,000 TONS drops 15 feet and you understand why the buildings pancaked.” So you believe in miracles? Watch the documentary. Open your mind.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        What and let all the brains fall out? Open mind my butt.

      • Retired Army Officer

        Sorry Bob…..but in reference to ‘the dog that doesn’t hunt’, I say…..that crap don’t float….

        Remember…..they more open the mind, the more garbage that can get dumped into it.

      • Kate8

        Retired – Yes. It makes far more sense to just buy the official story.

        Wait. What about the many witnesses who, unexplainedly, died of “accidents” because they saw something not consistent with the official story?

        How about all of the testimony before the Congressional investigation that was simply excluded? How about the threats to those who knew things? Like Sibel Edmonds?

        What about the fact that those promoting the official version are a pack of lying psycopaths? In fact, lying is their primary business…

        But, no. Independent thinking is not encouraged here. Let’s all just go back to sleep… If we were to figure out that events like this are perpetrated upon us for a purpose… that there are those in high places with a lot to gain…

        But, no. Everything is fine. Zzzzzzzzz.

      • Warrior

        Bob,

        I was watching this catastrophe with my wife as it was taking place. After about 15 minutes, I turned to her and said these building will collaspe.

        http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

        http://architecture.about.com/od/disastersandcollapses/a/twintowerfall.htm

      • http://patriotupdate major

        Great story as usual Bob keep up the brave work.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Retired army officer, my a**!

      • Mike G

        I agree with warrior

    • Mike

      So, the chance of 2 planes hitting exactly the same and weakening the structure exactly equally to cause a pancake effect without tilt or rotation? Wow, what are the odds? We should give up now because the math jihadis have, and the ability to execute on it, is far superior to ours. Unless there is another reason…..

      • Retired Army Officer

        Impact was too high on the structures for a tilt or a rotation to occur.

      • JC

        And how about the massive explosions in the basement (foundation) prior to the planes hitting?
        And the molten steel pouring out of the building 10 / 15 stories below the point of impact?
        Or the fact that Jet Fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel and even if it did there wasn’t enough of it to burn long enough to do so.
        It’s all Bull! All of it.

      • Gordon

        JC, I wrote a response to this further up the blog. You know little to nothing about structural design and fuel/fire effects….. You are just wrong in your beliefs Sir.

      • JC

        No, I’m not wrong and they aren’t beliefs, they’re facts.
        And you haven’t backed up a thing you’ve tried to say.

      • Gordon

        JC, thank you for your lucid comments. In an attempt to teach others that yes fuel can easily burn hot enough to melt steel, and the structural overloading of vertical components is possible. Think of it this way.

        You have charcoal in your grille for cooking your tube steak. If you blow on the coals, they get hotter, don’t they? When the hot air sucks more air into the fire, the fire gets hotter, like a blast furnace, like a charcoal fire heating horse shoes using a bellows, etc. When this happens in a forest fire, it is called a “fire storm”. Air rushes to fill the void that the upward rising column of heated air creates, and the additional rush of oxygen into the forest creates temperatures far above the burning temperature of wood (roughly 450*f). When trees fire storm, the adjacent trees explode because the moisture in the wood turns to steam blowing the trees apart, and then the superheated air around them makes them instantly burst into flames. Same thing happens in a house fire when the critical temperature happens.

        If you take the time to study this out, you might change your opinion about melting steel with 30,000 Gallons of jet fuel.

      • Gordon

        To whomever: I’d like to add that thirty thousand gallons is an average load of fuel. Fully loaded 747s (not what hit the Towers) carry 400,000 pound of fuel at 6.7 pounds per gallon= 60,000 gallons. If you take the time to look up what a 757 carries on an average 4 hour flight (plus reserve for weather delays and 1 hr. safety reserve), you will see that 30,000 GALLONS is the likely amount dumped into the buildings after their limited flight times.

      • Whit

        @ Gordon: To whomever: I’d like to add that thirty thousand gallons is an average load of fuel.

        Sorry Gordon, 757-200 – Maximum Fuel Capacity 11,489 gal (43,490 l)

        http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757family/pf/pf_200tech.html

        Cheers

      • JC

        The twin towers were “designed” to withstand impacts from airliners. The buildings architect also called BS on the planes bringing those towers down. Now, since you seem to enjoy painting picures for those of us you deem too stupid to understand basic science, why don’t you explain the collapse of Building 7 and the complete absence of any 737 parts at the Pentagon, the FBI’s confiscation of all film of that explosion and why was there no fuselage and no bodies recovered at Harrisburg? Chimney fire was it?

      • Gordon

        OK Whit. Acknowledged= Now how many thousand gallons does it actually take to make a hot fire?

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        I agree with Warrior (above Sept. 10, 11:32 am). The sites he referenced are excellent.

    • BOOKER T

      YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT SCIENCE, OR PHYSICS, GET AN EDUCATION.

    • http://yahoo wendell

      Warrior, at last, a responder on this blog that has some sense and comprehension about what really was the truth on how the towers collasped. You can tell by the responses of all the libritarian and liberal nutjobs that think this was done by our own government, are just that, NUTCASES. You can read their responses to tell they are 2 bubbles off center.

    • Feargy852

      I am not arguing that a building cannot collapse, however if you know anything about the basic principles of the laws of physics then you would know that a structure such as a skyscraper cannot collapse in the manner of which the twin towers collapsed !!! By nature a falling building will meet obstructions on its way down, this is due to the many different forces at play in the building structure. Also due to these internal forces a building cannot in anyway fall symmetrically into its own footprint. In the world of professional demolitions all these factors have to be taken into account and calculated accordingly in order to collapse a building in a manner known as ‘free fall’. This cannot happen naturally ! It can only happen with the use of precision demolitions !!

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Feargy852 Good Posts. There are tapes of firemen taken that day reporting the detonations going off around the towers in synchronised fashion and huge steel beams ejected with such force they penetrated some nearby buildings like porcupine quills from a hound’s snout. Tiny human bone fragments were found on top of the Deutsche Bank Building in 2008. The only way they could have gotten there is by explosion. The dust shows evidence of explosives (Steven Jones, Phd. says thermite) and there are photos of firemen standing in front of huge columns cut off in a straight diagonal.
        Kroll Associates under Jerome Hauer’s direction had ample opportunity as in charge of security to have made basic groundwork such as painting with thermite, which is safe until ignated, installing wiring and much else. Bomb sniffing dogs were pulled the Thursday before 9/11 and Scott Forbes reported a powerdown and workmen coming and going with security locks and doors off on the weekend before 9/11. Building Sevens fire alarm system was turned off a little after 6:OO. Who did it and why?
        Kroll Associates was also in charge of security at Dulles where Fl 77 took off from. The Pilots for Truth claim the black box found at the Pentagon indicates that the cockpit doors were never opened on Fl 77 after takeoff.
        Kroll is known as the CIA of Wall Street. Hauer had gotten James O”Neill, a top expert on bin Laden, to leave the FBI and take over Hauer’s job as head of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management while Hauer went to a post related to health at the White House and is thought to be the one who directed the White House Insiders to start anthrax antibiotics three weeks before the first known threat. He also was talking about how bin Laden did it on national TV on 9/11. He is the last person known to see O’Neill alive and the one to identify his body, which was one of very few entire corpses found. The man would have instantly realized the videos of bin Laden were fake.

  • John Illinois

    I have no argument with the idea that the government lies to us, but do you realize the amount of preparation it takes to set up a building for demolition? You just do not send a few guys in a couple hours ahead of the event to set it up. It takes at least weeks. It is messy. I just cannot believe that all of the building maintenece personel didn’t ask “hey pal, just what do you think you are you doing?”.

    • deerinwater

      Correct John, ~ Security on these two buildings was tighter then normal due impart to previous attempts to take her down.

      It happened just as everyone witnessed it happened. The JP4 fueled the flames that soften the superstructure enough there her own weight took her down.

      It’s not unrealistic to believe that other conspirators who have yet to be identified was involved.

      As for myself, I see this as an attack directed to the heart of the American Jew and all of their supporters and defenders.

      I accepted it as an a personal attack on me and my countrymen delivered by the hand of extremist from the Muslim World to display their displeasure in American interest activities in their nations bounties that brought about change and the power struggle associated with huge amounts of money being pumped into their realm of the world.

      It was a cowardly act of extremest that would launch such an attack, men that had lost hope for themselves and in their world , found void of moral compass consumed by the fire of hate.

      • http://yahoo Maynard

        Thank you Bob Livingston. It takes courage to contradict the lie that has been told so often people think it is true. Futhermore, although I have studied this false flag for a long time, I did not know Biden was in on the Patriot Act. It is not surprizing though because I have also studied the Oklahoma City Bombing. I have witnessed the local news channels in Oklahoma on videos reporting numerous undetonated bombs being removed and read ballistic experts saying that there is no way a truck bomb could have destroyed interior columns as was observed. I also remember that their were hints in the media reports that the government investigators thought there was a dark, Latin looking suspect. After a while this was dropped and McVeigh and Nichols were blamed.
        I believe with no proof that the dark-skinned man was intended to be scapegoated and would have turned out to be a Muslim. Why? Because the Muslim threat was needed to replace the disappearing Communist threat so that the military-industrial complex would not lose their gravy-train load of support. Also, the Muslims make wonderful “enemies” because going back to the Crusades they have been a target, because they are “dark-skinned,” a different religion (Although they claim kinship with the Jews and Christ as descendents of Abraham) and because they have enormous oil reserves.
        As long as they are not under the control of BIG OIL, they can undercut the price of oil. That is exactly what Saddam was doing and despite the fact that Susan Lindauer tried to report his willingness to do almost anything to stop our attack, we needed to dispose of him to get control of his oil. BIG OIL now controls Iraq’s oil. Saddam was willing to agree to buy millions of US autos, allow us to install telecommunications technology, have the FBI located there and more. For her information, Lindauer was thrown in jail and the government wanted to medicate her against her will. She’s out now and telling the story.
        The WTC bombing in 1993 was perpetrated by “extremist Muslims.” One problem. ‘ . . … . According to the former Egyptian Army Officer Salem, in recordings he made secretly with his FBI handlers, they insisted he give the extremists real explosives the FBI supplied. The bombing did enormous damage and killed six. No one in the FBI was prosecuted. The idea, I believe, was to besmirch Muslims who ignorant people would blame as a group, despite the fact that there are extremists among every people and religion and yet we do not blame all of the practitioners of the religion.
        It has worked. Go on Yahoo for example and you will read statements that all Muslims should be declared terrorists. The WTC ’93 did not get much attention because it was publicly known of the FBI’s involvement so it had to remain under most people’s radar. Next came the incubator babies lie in Kuwait. That unleashed much hatred and of course the false flag of 9/11 was used to justify two wars and some similar setup will be employed, although not as extensive, to foment an attack on Iran for their OIL.

      • Gordon

        Yes Maynard, it does take courage to stand out against differing opinions. Thanks be to them. Just because someone is totally convinced of their viewpoint does not make them correct. There are many adamant dogmatic persons who are just flat wrong in their views. Just because they state them continuously, loudly, and emphatically does not make the views infallible.

      • Gordon

        Many things might happen. One thing we can count on, the muslim jihad will unite against the infidels (and probably cut off our oil). Jihad will come in strength to US homeland.

      • Sheryn

        deerinwater—you really need to get over yourself!!!!

      • deerinwater

        Maybe I should have say, the 9-11 attack was directed against the World banking system and American interest which is overwhelming dominated by the Jewish people. ~ I forget sometimes, ~ that some people “left to assume” will assume the wrong thing “every time” , and stay cocked and really to be offended.

        and I have no intentions of “getting over myself”, you are the offended one and not I. Perhaps you could consider taking your own advise.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Did you know that the towers where shut down a week before 9/11? Did you know all the cameras and monitoring where stopped while Bush’s brothers “maintenance” workers fixed cables.

        Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served.

        According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center “up to the day the buildings fell down.

        The company lists as government clients “the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice,” in projects that “often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites.”

        Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a “single-source” provider of “end-to-end” security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.

        The Dulles Internation contract is another matter. Dulles is regarded as “absolutely a sensitive airport,” according to security consultant Wayne Black, head of a Florida-based security firm, due to its location, size, and the number of international carriers it serves.

        Black has not heard of Stratesec, but responds that for one company to handle security for both airports and airlines is somewhat unusual. It is also delicate for a security firm serving international facilities to be so interlinked with a foreign-owned company: “Somebody knew somebody,” he suggested, or the contract would have been more closely scrutinized.

        As Black points out, “when you [a company] have a security contract, you know the inner workings of everything.” And if another company is linked with the security company, then “What’s on your computer is on their computer.” [American Reporter]

        The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday [September 11]. Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday [September 6], bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed. [NY Newsday]

        On the weekend of 9/8, 9/9 there was a ‘power down’ condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up… “Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.” [WingTV]

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me0b9P0fIOM

      • deerinwater

        Well No ~ I was nor aware of that until this morning Jay when I read Mr. Livingston article and it spurred my interest to do my own research.

        I confess, it’s disturbing. very disturbing news. I am not sure what to make of it.

        I don’t see our eastern adversaries all that skilled in precision implosion , maybe I am wrong? If they had help, who? We know who commandeered the aircraft and believe we know a money trail that leads to Saudi’s . And while the Bush’s name keeps popping up, I simple can’t see them knowingly involved. While I will confess , I’ve always seen Pappy Bush as a man that knew how to take orders. H. Bush was not a rogue or loose canon, a random threat, but a man that would follow orders and had no great vision that he himself inspired or at least that is the way I see the man.

        Well Mr. Livingston, ~ I have taken the time to viewed much of the material and information that you bring forward and I must say it is very disturbing. I’m not sure if I should thank you or not.

        While clearly, the motive is there; missing money and a cover up .

        It was many years ago, I had read that a FBI investigation into activities of Wall Street was call off due in part to the 9-11 incident. And now I’m being told a few Trillion was missing in the defense budget and that investigation was call off as well.

        Well, Sir? a few Trillion will buy a lot of motive. This was a godawful nasty thing for anyone to do, much worse then the mere sinking of a vessel like the Maine or the Lusitania to sway popular thinking into action.

        Like everyone else , I would like an accounting that I could believe while I question if such a thing is obtainable.

        We have made a bad habit of installing people into positions of power where clearly there been a serious conflict of interest and neutered oversight of any oversight at all.

        Powerful write up,

        best regards,

        Deerinwater.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear deerinwater,

        Thanks much!

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Good job, Bob…even if it’s just one person who begins to open their eyes…how many more people will that one influence?

        Sooo…you did your job, Good Sir. :)

        God Bless.

      • Feargy852

        The security at the twin towers was the responsibility of a particular firm !! Guess what nationality that firm was ?? Bingo…. ISRAELI

      • Attaboyslim

        You may also be interested to know that the company Zimm-Israeli Shipping paid a fifty thousand dollar fine to break their lease at the World Trade Center, one week before 911 and saved all of their employees. This company has been rumored to be a front company for the Israeli government.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        The Thursday before 9/11 bomb-detecting dogs were abruptly pulled out of the WTC. Huge amounts were invested in put options gambling the American and Untied stocks would go down the week before 9/11. The weekend before a power down for a “cable upgrade” had workmen coming and going with security doors and locks off. Jeb Bush had a martial plan for Florida signed on the Friday prior to 9/11, The Silversteins (Larry and his adult kids who all worked at the WTC) failed to go to work on 9/11. Jerome Hauer timed his departure from the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Planning for the day before 9/11 and the FBI’s expert on Osama bin Laden took over that day, in time to die the next day although he was scheduled to go in. Hauer was the last to see him alive that am around 2 in the morning and was the one who identified his body, which oddly was not in tiny fragments like most other victims. He would have known the videos of bin Laden were fake right away. Building Sevens’s Fire Alarm system was shut off around 6:00 according to NIST.
        Odd timing by the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to announce $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon the day before it was”hit” right where the accountants were looking for the money. Strange he never coordinated any sort of defense. He left his post and went to the scene of what he called the”accident” and walked along by stretchers instead of preparing for another possible strike. How did he know there would not be one? He had predicted one after the WTC was hit.
        I hate to tell who ever claims they do not believe any conspiracy theories this, but the tale of bin Laden and his boys is also a conspiracy theory. A very unbelievable one at that.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Maynard: By your own account, many people had to be involved in, or had knowledge of, this alleged conspiracy. Most of them probably had spouses or girlfriends. Some of them probably drank too much sometimes. How likely is it that all of those people could keep their mouths shut?

      • Ron Bedell

        Mike I think Maynard already explained it. The globalists had control of the security at the top.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        RB: My question remains the same. How do you explain that so many people have been able to keep their mouths shut?

      • Attaboyslim

        … but I will. How many mouths do you think would need to be quiet Mike? We constructed an entire town and employed 100,000 people and no one in this country or even the world knew about the Atomic Bomb so would it be more that a hundred thousand? A small handful of people would be all that would have been needed to know the entire plan and the rest would have remained compartmentalized. They still may not even understand their part in the project. Understand this also, when Military leaders or CIA persons give an order to remain silent … or else, they typically mean what they are saying and people live their entire lives never uttering a word to anyone … even their spouses.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Attaboyslim: If the towers were actually brought down by explosives planted inside, why bother with the planes?

      • Ron Bedell

        Oh that’s easy, to make it look like the planes knocked down the Twin Towers. What else are they going to blame it on?

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        RB: al Qaeda always takes credit for their terrorism. Why not just blow up the buildings and make a phony e-mail admission to the New York Times posing as al Qaeda? Why bother with the planes? So many things could go wrong.

      • Attaboyslim

        Hey Mike, I’ve never claimed to have all the answers but if I had to guess, I say it gave Bush & Company the necessary alibi for killing a million Muslims, scaring most people into a coma and taking all of our abilities to resist their ever increasing control over our lives.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Atta: How did “Bush and Company” talk Muhammed Atta and Company into blowing themselves to bits?

      • Attaboyslim

        Now, that’s just silly Mike but I’ll still respond. The truth is that I’m not convinced that they had to … convince Atta and the boys to blow themselves to bits. “Why”, I can already hear you thinking, “did the planes fly themselves into the buildings?” Having remote controlled planes that can do fairly impressive maneuvers has been around since the 1970′s but that;s not the most compelling evidence, in my mind. If you recall, they started out, telling us that there were 19 hijackers but a few turned up alive. Then a few more surfaced and … I don’t remember how many were actually dead … was it nine?

        Again Mike, I don’t have all the answers and there are so many variables involved but the one thing I am certain of is that it did not happen the way the 911 report said it happened, period. Had the Towers been hit by a dozen planes … each, there would be death and destruction. There would also be mounds and mounds of concrete and furniture and parts of airplanes scattered all over the frigging place. There would have been twisted metal, a lot of blood and body parts and there would have been fire and most importantly, there would have been a true investigation.

        What there wouldn’t have been was four feet of dust, molten metal that remained hot for weeks and miles of secrecy from the Politicians. The absolute reality Mike, no matter what is believed to have happened are a few things that can not or will not ever be able to happen, they are:
        (1) Aluminum airplanes can not slice through steel, no matter how fast they manage to fly. If a plane flew into the side of a tank, would it rip the tank into or the plane?
        (2) Unless it is carried out in a controlled environment where fuel and oxygen are continuous and over an extended period of time, jet fuel can not melt steel.
        (3) No matter how much force is used, a structure that has been struck near the top is able to remain standing because of the strength of it’s base. A house of cards would be the exception but try it with Lego’s or Lincoln Logs. Build a tower that is six feet tall and make certain it is secure and with a good foundation and then get your favorite Louisville Slugger. Are you tired yet? You can’t destroy the bottom by damaging the top. The only thing you may be able to do with the Lego’s is to pour gasoline on it and set it on fire but you’d still have a big mound of goo and not powdered plastics pellets.
        and finally, even if it were possible to weaken the bottom by hitting the top:
        (4) There will always be resistance when falling unless there is nothing more than air.Buildings, no matter what substance they are made from, will always have their lower levels damaged materials to fall through and so a near free fall speed is impossible

      • Ron

        Actually we were using drone F9′s in the sixties in Rosy Roads PR, for missle intercepts.

      • Attaboyslim

        And corrected, I humbly stand. Thanks Ron. :)

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Atta: Your arrogance, ignorance, and gullibility have formed a very unblessed trinity. You make wild declarations and call them evidence. You seek out opinions identical to your own and you think you have found proof of a conspiracy. For a different opinion, try 911review.com

      • Attaboyslim

        So sorry Mike, I was out of commission for a while but did want to come back to respond to your analogy … no, your attack on me personally. Let’s see … “arrogance, ignorance”, and gullibility”, was it Mike? And,to paraphrase, I am accused of “seeking out opinions similar to my own that are considered fact” and I, “make wild claims and call it evidence?” Pal, you are on the wrong road on this one. I’ve made no wild claims that aren’t already evident to countless people … or should I say, ‘countless people who aren’t ignorant enough to believe the moronic tale given by the government or even those regurgitated by the likes of 911review.com. Any arrogance I project is out of pure frustration in people who are normally intelligent but suddenly believe fairy tales are true.

        If I am gullible for understanding that something that should be mathematically and scientifically impossible because of the factors involved and which produce something that has never been witnessed by any human who has ever lived, then so be it, I am gullible. I will go to my grave as a gullible person until it is physically proven that , five thousand terrorists are able to totally blank our military. Not that they are invincible but they are not stupid and if only nineteen terrorist made them look like the keystone cops then we are in a [expletive deleted] load of trouble. Additionally, until the day that an airplane is shown to have more explosive capabilities than our largest mega bomb, the 5,000 pound Bunker Buster … call me ignorant

        Let me remind you my friend, that we have been pummeling the hell out of a lot of real estate for quite a while now but isn’t it amazing that the people die but the buildings don’t turn to dust? Furthermore, my blessed trinity and I will be standing on the sidelines eating popcorn while we wait for someone … anyone to duplicate the things that happened on September 11, 2001. This is not the foolish words of an ignorantly cocky and trusting individual but … it won’t happen. Would you like to know what will happen Mike? Until the end of all time, there will always be people who have such blind faith in their governments as benevolent leaders and trust that they would never deceive them and every time, they will find horrors. That ain’t me.

        You see Mike, I have no interest in finding opinions that are like my own unless there is a valid reason. Naturally I am more comfortable with people who can read and understand the history of mankind. Those who are capable of seeing how insane it is to allow a tiny group of people to control the lives of the many and who gradually take more and more of their freedoms and finally take away any way of defending themselves as being problematic. Because when people are put in a position to where they have no means of getting the truth other than what is provided for them … something is wrong. That is what happened on 911 and that is the place we are in and so, I’d like to be around people who understand that Superman is only a comic.

      • Ron Bedell

        Ok, let me try to make it a little easier this time. If this was a conspiracy, which more than likely it was, conspiracies are planned and plotted in completely secrecy. For example, the Federal Reserve Act was the biggest conspiracy in American history. And the conspirators, international world Bankers, got completely away with it. Why would any conspiracy against the World Trade Center be any different for them? They can pull that off just like they pulled off the Jekyll Island (Federal Reserve Act) conspiracy, or any other conspiracy for that matter. As long as they (globalists) have control they can do what ever they want. They go behind closed doors and nobody would learn about it until it is too late. And they would only work with people who are faithful to their evil cause. Those people are paid well, so why would they open their mouth and expose anything evil?

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        RB: You wrote “Those people are paid well, so why would they open their mouths and expose anything evil?” To answer that question, I would have to understand how sociopaths think, and I don’t. The scenario that you describe would involve a lot of people – the people who knew it was going to happen and didn’t show up for work that day, and the people who actually committed the crime. You are describing a level of evil that most people do not possess, and you are saying that they were skilled enough to pull it off, disciplined enough to keep quiet, and loyal to each other to a degree that I wouldn’t expect from sociopaths. I’m not convinced, but I would pay to see the movie.

      • Attaboyslim

        Are you guys ready for the newest theory on the collapses? According to a long time employee of the Russian equivalent of the CIA who claims to have heard about the collapse in; are you ready for this … 1996, he claims mini-nukes of about 150 kiloton variety brought them down and that was preplanned. I know it sounds like total horse crap but get this, two states in this country have building codes that state, “Builders of high rise buildings must have a plan of demolition prior to gaining the necessary permits to begin construction, and those states are New York and Chicago where the Sears Tower was erected. Keep in mind that the Sears Tower was the only building evacuated after the attacks.

        Even spookier is the fact that everything this guy talks about, with a lot of proven facts, sounds totally plausible. Just check out this documentary:

        http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/911-the-third-truth—full-movie-part-one.html

        and part two :

        http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/the-911-files/911-the-third-truth—full-movie-part-two.html

        It makes for an interesting watch but it surely makes a person wonder what kind of world we live in if this is all true.

      • Ron Bedell

        Thanks for your article, Maynard. I forwarded this to everyone on my email list.

    • JoeRepublic

      Consider this scenario and it’s something that needs to be asked of employees that were on staff in those buildings. As a person that has worked in both electrical systems and security systems, I have installed a lot of equipment over the years. On many occasions there have been some devices installed by engineer’s request that I did not know what the device was actually for. I would simply install where specified and hardwire it to the system, all the while having no idea of it’s function. Now here’s the scenario.

      If a job like this came in where an electrical installation team was hired to install seismic monitors on the core columns, would these electricians know what they are installing? Would the engineering firm that ordered the installation of the devices know if they were tampered with before installation? Would the manufacturer know if these devices weren’t first diverted during shipping and replaced with modified versions? The answer to all these questions is no.

      The simple truth is, the inside resources required to perform such a thing may seem massive, but in reality only a handful of people would have to be “in the know”. Everyone else involved would be compartmentalized and be serving an ulterior purpose they are completely unaware of. This is how you get something done under the cover of darkness.

      As for this Republican and Democrat nonsense, completely irrelevant. America was usurped long ago by a shadow element. Many have tried to warn the people and many have paid with their lives. If you’re looking at who to blame, you need to look at who benefits. It’s just that simple.

      In the past 11 years we have seen things go from bad to far worse in regards to personal liberty as the jackboot of hot tyranny rapidly approaches. From warrant-less wire tapping, indefinite detention, torture and even secret kill lists. So again, who has something to gain from this?

      I have my answers. I have performed six years of my own research to form my own opinions backed by facts. Hitler burned his own Reichstag in order to usher in the Enabling Act. False flags have been used throughout history to justify the installation of tyrannical measures. Fear is the only tool in the toolbox of evil that comes in many different forms in order to sell tyranny disguised as security to the masses. All we ever get is more death. Again, who benefits?

      • KG

        How difficult it would be to get a typical construction “Gang Box” to the top floor of, say, the First Interstate building in Los Angeles? That could hide a small tactical Nuclear device that would flatten the entire LA basin.

        If someone was doing semic retrofit work, those core walls would have been open for days. Allowing almost anyone access to the structual steel.

      • http://patriotupdate major

        I agree Joe, I too have experience in those things you listed.

      • Gordon

        KG you are correct. Should all things everywhere be scrutinized by gestapo every second 24/7 in anticipation that something MIGHT be amiss? Problem is, all this massive call for security is a massive call for limitations of our freedoms. Like the FEMA schtuff. Plastic coffins and barbed wire enclosures? If something happens and the feds don’t have a plan in place, then the masses will demand to know why not. If the plan is in place, the conspiracy theory freaks will be saying the feds are out to kill us. What would happen if someone loosed a chemical, biological, or nuclear device in a place like LosAngeles, and in 48 hrs there were 1 million dead bodies to get rid of? All things can be applied for good or evil. Just as long as the mayor and governor don’t forbid the feds from coming into their state for 5 days….. (Katrina)… then people can blame Bush for lack of help, when it was the state’s fault. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    • Joe

      CIA op Susan Lindauer explains all the security issues just before and events after 9/11…. http://youtu.be/iGI4jfwOmOk

    • Sandy for 911 Truth

      Yes, it takes a lot of preparation to set up a building for demolition. But guess who was in charge of security for the twin towers…. one of the Bush brothers!

      • Gordon

        B.S.

      • Lynnette

        Look at it this way. We won’t have much longer to wait to see who is right and who is wrong. Whatever is going to happen will start next month, if not this month. I don’t see us having an election. Martial Law will go into place before then. We can bicker all we want, but when the [expletive deleted] hits the fan, In the words of Tom Lehrer chances are “we will all go together when they drop the bomb”, whatever form that may be.

      • Whit

        Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay
      • JC

        Gordon has nothing more than knee jerk reactions that he doesn’t even try to back up.
        YES George’s younger brother was in charge of WTC Security.

      • Gordon

        You Tube = the trolls’ bible of absolute truth

    • JF

      John, Those building went through a ” power down ” approx. two weeks before 911. Men were seen entering the buildings for several days, workers thought they were doing maintenance. The security cameras were ordered off. Google this info and you can read it for yourself. Many believe it was at this time that the buildings were “fixed”. also look closely at the main beams in the aftermath, how they were cut into. Don’t believe me RESEARCH IT.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        I also heard of this, JF. People who were working at the WTC’s have said that people with clearance badges were seen coming into the building in unmarked jumpers carrying blue prints. Some of the people who began to talk have died mysteriously since…along with first responders. I’ve posted links to these unusual deaths before.

        God Bless.

    • DS

      Well, I guess you missed the part in the stories where the entire building was closed for about a two-week span in the months prior to the “attacks” for “infrastructure maintenance and upgrades” so two weeks would have been sufficient time, especially since there was no one in the building except those doing the “infrastructure maintenance and upgrades”. That sufficiently rules out that the planning and setup couldn’t happen. . .

    • Mike G

      exactly what I said earlier today, read my post, I go into far more detail

  • Chris Condon

    The 9/11 Truth movement is coming on fast! There is no question that the official version of 9/11 is wrong. I have a friend who retired from the US Army with the rank of 2 star general. He has a background in photo analysis and interpretation. He tells me that he has studied the Pentagon crash extensively and is adamant that no airplane ever hit the Pentagon. What happened to the plane that carried Barbara Olson and other passengers? Well, it never hit the Pentagon. Just what did happen to it remains a mystery. Perhaps Barbara Olson is still alive somewhere.

    • R. Ghozzi

      This is the most probable statement and reply to the question: Is 9/11 a conspiracy? 99% of the World population believes it to be the “Conspiracy of the century” – exactly as the lie of Iraq weapons of mass destruction – and the cause of many World conflicts and futile Wars that killed millions and left millions homeless, launched and orchestrated by Bush, Blair and underground secret financiers.

      • Gordon

        So you are convinced that their were NO, NONE, WMDs in Iraq? How much Iraqui sand did you get into your boots?Your body should have been there to see what we did find furried in the sand. There’s thousands of square miles of desert that schtuff is burried in, not to mention the stuff that went to Syria by truck just days before the invasion. Intelligence told the story, and Liberals/Democrats agreed with the intelligence information. Now youze all want to blame it on Bush. tsk tsk tsk.

      • Karolyn

        99% of the world population think it was a conspiracy? Where did that come from?

      • Gordon

        nobody accused the human race of being rational

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Of course there were weapons of mass destruction, Gordon. Everybody has them, US included. So what’s your point?

      • Mike G

        99% of what?? liberals?? your still playing the blame the Bush game just like Pinocchio is still doing in the White House. And God help us if he gets re-elected, I guarantee you as he fails in his second term he will still be blaming Bush.
        And FYI when inspectors were sent into Iraq to look for WMD’s they were NOT pemitted to enter any palaces. After he they kicked all of the inpectors out, he let them back in a few months later, and allowed them to enter palaces for inspection, what a coincidence, of course we found nothing there, he had months to bury, evidence of WMD’s, or sent them off to Iran, or Sytia, how blind are you??

      • Gordon

        Karolyn, support your facts about that 99 percent…….come on now, show us your reasoning.

    • Gordon

      Really? So the conspiracy theory includes tossing jet engines and landing gear into the Pentagon court yard? mmmmm, I have videos of the original news releases. But of course, those news footage was a conspiracy because those engines and wheels weren’t there, were they?

      • Lynnette

        Do you really? Good. Post them on Youtube for all to see. Otherwise you are lying through your teeth.

      • Gordon

        they used to be. One thing I did that morning was plug 6 hr tapes into the machine and let em run… and tried to keep it full.. a bunch of tapes.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        So what you’re saying is; you have nothing to back-up your claim…?

      • Gordon

        OK Bevis, google it= engines and landing gear found at Pentagon…… or start here just for fun, there’s lots of links.

        http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

        No doubt many will say these are fabricated lies. So who cares?

      • Gordon

        Someone that adamant about “facts” and choosing to call people liars, should have ALREADY examined well published information regarding those conspiracy theories. It seems to me that youz trolls are just here showing your ++++++.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      You mentioned a friend who was high in the military. Did you see there’s a group who call themselves something like the Military for 9/11 Truth? Many of the actual higher ups involved in the War Games and Norad received very high promotions. Pretty good considering they put up almost no defense. When the golfer, Payne Stewart, was in that private jet, the Air Force was right on his tail until the plane ran out of fuel.
      Gordon, did you respond to any of the comments that Building Seven was not hit by a plane and yet fell symmetrically at almost the speed of gravity? The video does not show large fires and the reporter for the BBC, Jane Standley, was on site and announcing it was already down about twenty minutes BEFORE it had actually collapsed. Besides the SEC, the Secret Service, the FBI, The Mayors Office of Emergency Preparedness, the CIA, many insurance and bank offices were in there. NIST (the National Institute of Standards and Safety) reported that the oil tank underground was NOT exploded and still had 20 of 23 thousand gallons of oil left.
      There were two men who arrived at the Mayor’s meeting on the 23rd Floor late. One man was named Hess and the other Barry Jennings. When they arrived at the meeting the room was empty and there were still hot cups of coffee and sandwiches on the tables. They tried to leave by the elevators but they were no longer working so they took a stairs. They got down to almost the sixth floor landing and there was a big explosion and the stairs broke loose. They had to go back up to the eighth floor where they were able to break out a window. Eventually, a man down on the street got the firemen up to rescue them and lead them out. Jennings claimed he had heard numerous explosions while he was waiting for rescue. He also said the firemen told him not to look down and he had a feeling he was stepping over dead people. He was immediately interviewed after getting out.; He asked that the tape be held because he was told not to divulge anything. Later, he made a tape for the BBC that somewhat contradicted what he had originally said so the people who had first taped him put his taped interview on the Internet where you can see it. The odd thing is that he died when he was 53 and his family refused to answer questions. A private investigator was hired by the same people who did the first tape and the p.i. quit saying he was afraid to continue. That’s all I know.
      Have any of you mentioned the WTC bombing of 1993? There was a double agent working for the FBI whose last name was Salem. He had worked for the Egyptian Army. He was the contact with the extremist Muslims. The FBI gave Salem real explosives to give the extremists. Salem couldn’t believe they would do this and he taped both groups. After the explosion did a lot of damage and killed five or six people, Salem reported what the FBI had done and it was printed in the New York Times. The FBI was never punished and it faded into the background.
      Then there was the Oklahoma City Bombing. I have read reports that all that damage could not have been done from outside. A ballistic expert said its force would have diminished the farther from the truck bomb and it would not have knocked down the interior columns that were taken out. In fact, it’s on youtube that local news crews filmed bomb squads taking out unexploded bombs from inside several times, but they were soon hushed up about it. The cleanup crew at Oklahoma City and the WTC was the same company, named Controlled Demolition.

  • JC

    “The Bush regime came into office itching to make war in the Mideast. The neocon wing of Republican Party advocated a stronger military and an aggressive Israel policy and needed “a new Pearl Harbor” to bring it about. The main reasons were two-fold: oil (corporatists for years had been striving for a stable Afghanistan in order to run a pipeline from the Caspian Sea region across Pakistan and Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean) and justification for passage of totalitarian, liberty-stealing legislation that would become known as the USA Patriot Act (the bones of which were assembled by then-Senator, now-Vice President Joe Biden in the 1990s) and help to usher in pappy Bush’s “New World Order.”

    +

    “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
    ~ Hermann Goering

    = 911, the “official story”

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Nice, JC.
      :)

      God Bless.

    • TIME

      Dear JC,

      DITTO!

      Peace and LOVE

    • Kate8

      JC – Double ditto.

    • JC

      What’s truly frightening about this is that we should all realize by now that the global elites don’t stop at just wiping out a family, or a religious group with impunity…but that they will indiscriminately wipe us out by the thousands if it suits their goals.
      We’re not people to them, we’re cattle.
      Accept for that pesky Second Amendment that is… ;-)

      • Kate8

        Jay – They don’t want to wipe us out by the thousands. They want to wipe us out by the BILLIONS.

  • Tagaler70

    No thinking human can watch Building 7 collapse or view Kennedy being thrown backward and really believe the official government stories.

    • trw

      i agree with one thing that building was imploded i have seen building imploded before and that building was imploded and there is noway that building would come completely down with just a plane hitting them up high the way they did

      • Winddrinker

        On a movie set in Montana, I saw a huge, vacant building brought down by demolition.
        It imploded upon itself, exactly as did the towers. When I was watching the towers implode, It brought to mind what I saw in Montana…

        Then, it was explained that the heat from the fuel burned so hot that it melted the steel in the building…causing the building to melt within itself. Was there that much fuel carried on those planes. Was it so much fuel that it could melt all the steel girders in these buildings?

      • JF

        trw, Building 7 was not hit by a plane. But it is true what you said about the other two.

      • Old Henry

        And melt them all at the same instant in time?

      • Gordon

        Winddrinker, 30,000+ gallons of jet fuel makes a pretty big chimney fire.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        How do you explain the collapse of tower7, Gordon? No jet fuel burning there, yet it collapsed like a controlled demolition. I’ll understand if you choose not to answer…

      • John Illinois

        At about 800 degrees F, steel looses it’s tensile strength, and bends quite easily. I don’t recall the exact temperature jet fuel in open air burns at, but the number 2,300 sticks in my mind. The way the World Trade Centers were built, there were elevator shafts in the center. Enough jet fuel to fly all the way across the USA went down those shafts, and since the engines were still running when the tanks were sheared off, all of that fuel was available to burn. Given the chimney effect of what 80 floors?, that was like super charging the flames, making it burn just that much hotter. When you take out the center supports, but leave the outside ones, of course it is going to go down the center.

      • Gordon

        John Illinois, at least that is 2 of us. LOL

      • Gordon

        Jay. Maybe the wind rushing to the other fire sucked the bottom out of it.

      • Gordon

        trw, corrrect= yes it did. The inner columns were weakened by the massive blast furnace fire and the multiple collapsing concrete floors pushed it right on down. The ever increasing weight/mass of the falling floors impacting the subsequently lower floors drove the whole center section down just like a massive fence post driver. The outer structure staying intact guiding the mass straight down… just like in a planned demolition.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        I have seen NO evidence presented that shows any proof that the elevator shafts, stairways, and any other service shafts in the WTC was “filled” with burning jet fuel.

    • Old Henry

      Ever wonder why the Warren Commission locked up all the evidence for, what was it, 75 years?

      Like the fraud camping in OUR White House, if there is nothing to hide…. why hide it?

      • Gordon

        Actually NO. But I sure would like to know what exactly they are hiding. Maybe I’ll live until 2040 to find out…….. if I really care about it then. LOL

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  • RevNowWhileWeCan

    I really hope nobody comes to this thread to try and support the “official story” on 911. Actually, I home some do so we can take a sip of the cointelpro’s version, swish it around a little and spit it out onto the table, or maybe through my nose from laughing so hard! :)

    • TIME

      Dear RMWC,

      Saddly the sheep are really very common in this vast pasture we may note as the 50 states. After all they have their heads stuffed for hours daily in the “PROGRAMING TUBE” so the question is really: what can one expect to produce from such mindless ignorance.

      This massive wave of ignorance will grow to levels that will soon push the apple cart off the cliff.
      Many millions of us who can see and read between the lines, feel this fateful event is NOW long past due.

      When one looks at the average IQ level of a person who has been “INDOCTRINATED” within the noted “American education system” one need not ask what the future holds.
      Thus these freaks of nature are “Indoctrinated” to the “Doctrin’s” prescribed by the Rulers they so idolze, Thus that last push in our decline is quite imminent NOW.

      At one point in TIME I had a solid hope of a “Great Awakening” that would unfold world wide. But – saddly that will not come to pass, thus we will repeat the same path that has come before at least twice.

      Divide and Conquer, saddly thats been done with such elegance its really a thing of beauty.

      Peace and LOVE

      • Kate8

        TIME – Well, I’m not quite ready to throw in the towel.

        Actually, TIME, I’ve been feeling really positive the past couple of days. No explanation, because on the surface things look pretty bleak. It just comes from inside.

        Perhaps there really are cosmic events unfolding which are beyond our ability to hinder. We know that these elite psychopaths will meet their just rewards eventually. Maybe sooner than later. God promises protection and redemption for those who love Him. Maybe all we need to do is trust that.

        BTW, I read a story of a military man who was called to jury duty, and he told the judge he cannot serve because all active duty is being placed on alert for the next three weeks.

        It seems that something big is expected sometime Sept – end of Nov. The question is, WHAT IS IT? And is it a good thing or a catastrophic thing?

        Or maybe it depends on your point of view.

      • TIME

        Dear Kate,

        I have not quite tossed in the white cloth just yet.

        But I have come to the understanding that vast numbers of Americans are truly in a “”very {deep / deep – sleep.}”"

        Saddly the Dogman’s and Doctrines that have been filled into the minds of persons with higher education have saddly all but turned a lot of these folks into mindless sheep who totaly “IN-Doctrinated” making them like Gumby.
        I could be insulting Gumby with that statment, please forgive me Gumby.

        There is always a strong possibility that many more will Awake, we can HOPE for the best / but plan for what ever may unfold.

        On the note you had about the {creepy clock} I still have come up with nothing, but as you know “TIME & Numbers” have great value to many of these Mystery types, saddly I just don’t have all the intel they have.

        Peace and LOVE

      • Kate8

        TIME – http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2012/09/illuminati-countdown-clock-decoded-urgent-2444504.html

        Quite fascinating, too. Wonder if anything came of it. We wouldn’t necessarily hear about it. You’ll be amazed at the correlations of this and other events leading up to it, such as Aurora.

        I did hear an “opposition” spokesperson mention it yesterday. Apparently lots of people were aware of it and on guard. This is why it is absolutely that things like this are exposed ahead of time. Many terrible plans have been neutralized because the info got out. One was a plan to blow up Hoover Dam last year. The right person in the military got wind of it and set defensive plans in motion.

        Each time a disaster is announced…and averted… it’s a WIN for the A-Team!

        Keep the faith, brother. We’ll emerge better for it.

        Blessings.

  • KG

    I don’t think anybody before 1990 saw the entire Zapruder film from Kennedy’s assassination. How could a shot from the back cause him to slump back? I remember that anytime you saw that film they would always stop right before the head shot. I know it was probably out of “sensitivity of the public.” But when you see that backwards motion, you know he was shot from the front. However, for some reason, Oswald shot Kennedy in the back and Kennedy flew back. If you can see that with your own eyes and still “The Powers That Be” can convince anyone otherwise, we know we are dealing with something greater than the sum of its parts. However, we need to ask who would “benefit” and who would “lose” from these actions. My Dad is convinced that Nixon had something to do with Kennedy. Which wouldn’t surprise me.

    My “bogey” man is the Republicans. It was Republicans who wrote up the script we have followed since 9-11. The plan to invade Iraq was written YEARS before. And the only people in place to execute this script were either Republicans left over from Regan’s administration and Mormons who were working at the Pentagon as well as the NSA and CIA.

    Romney is a Republican AND a Mormon. He is “the Beast.” I remember telling some coworkers when Bush was running. They said that they were tired of paying “taxes.” I said “…if Bush gets elected we are going to have another Great Depression. It took 8 years but it finally happened.

    We have lost our revolutionary spirit in America. It’s the “elites” our forefathers fought against. And it’s these “elites’ who have been lying to you about Abortion for the last 30+ years. Because THEY know how decisive an issue it is. However, the LAST thing they want to do is STOP THEIR BIGGEST ISSUE. And that is *truly* evil. To allow something you personally think is evil just so you can have an issue is MORE evil that the evil being perpetrated. Just remember, Karl Rove is an admitted Atheist as well as Ayn Rand. And they follow Maciavellis main lesson “…the ends justify the Means.”

    • RevNowWhileWeCan

      KG,
      Are you really still trying to turn 911 into a Dem/Rep issue?? If you must then obviously you know that Obama has done ZERO to hinder the globalist’s agenda and MUCH to assure it’s continuance, right? Holy crap! There are millions of Americans waking up to the fact that the left/right hoax is an INTENTIONAL distraction! Please join us! If you insist on this falsehood then I’m just going to keep pounding you with this stuff…….
      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/iraq-war-on-terror/topsecretamerica/top-cia-official-obama-changed-virtually-none-of-bushs-controversial-programs/

      • KG

        When Obama won the Presidential election in 2008, I was in tears. I really thought a “real” person was our President. Not since Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton did I feel a real person was there.

        However, the position of “President of the United States” is a very special place in the world. I recall the movie “The Last Emperor.” The Emperor of all of China couldn’t even leave the Palace on his own. All of the “Emperors” court did all the real policy making.

        Believe me, I thought all the stuff about UFO’s and Area 51 would be opened to everyone. I cut Mr. Obama a lot of slack – at least he had the balls to not only kill Osama, but Quodafy too. I know Regan is turning over in his grave over that one.

        And when you have a “house of representatives” in total rebellion against the President, that is ON PURPOSE jeopardizing OUR ECONOMY for POLITICAL EFFECT, you have to really think about that statement – “They are all alike.” I don’t know what you think, but to me, there is a clear choice between Democrat and Republican.

      • Kate8

        Boy, are you people delusional.

        There are no democrats or republicans among the elite. They use party affiliations because you have to in DC, in order to be part of the game sold to the people. But they are loyal to no one, no country, no party…only their wealth and power.

        How do you explain that there are just as many Leftist elite as there are Rightwing? In fact, some of the wealthiest are Democrats. The elite globalist banksters fund both parties, just like the fund both sides of all wars.

        The Clintons are, and always have been, part of the NWO. That you people still swoon after that derelect is beyond ludicrous. Obama has become wealthy beyond he and Moosie’s wildest dreams while in the WH…, money he’s stolen from US…, and it’s all for playing his part for the NWO. None of these people deserve our respect. They are all bought and paid for by those who are enslaving us.

        Boy, are you Lefties slow. Many conservatives have already figured this out. But then, we have a higher power to look to. For Lefties, government is as high as it gets, so I guess if you were to see them for who they really are…

      • Patriot-Research

        KG, One, you are liberal/Obama/Communist TROLL and now Lets look at the facts, Obama has a fake BC, is using a stolen SSN#, is a Muslim, Belonged to a Communist Party Group in in the early 1990, and on and on it goes! The real thing about Obama is the he is not REAL…!!! Obama is a Communist/Muslim plant in this Country and anyone that follows him is either dumber than a box of rocks, on his team getting part of his Communist action, or is just plain EVIL…!!!

      • KG

        I’m sorry kate8, but the delusion rests with you. Do you really think “God” is on your side? I guess you have contempt for “Liberals” because they are going to hell. So, why even bother?

        Do you really think Paul Ryan is really on “Gods” side? When the Woman he worships thought “…Christianity was the HIGHEST FORM OF ‘LOOTER VALUES.’

        Ya know, I keep forgetting just a few years ago when Conservative Christians in America thought the Catholics were part of “The end time conspiracy.” We know that they always hated the Jews for killing Jesus, but, somehow, Modern American Christianity has allied itself with group it considered “evil.” Now it is a far reach to conclude that the “religious Right” are the real evil ones? It’s not the Gays or the “liberals” that are destroying America, but those evil “greedy, old white guys” in business suits.

      • Kate8

        KG – This is exactly what I’m talking about. Where did you see me defend Republicans?

        THEY ARE ALL PART OF IT. What part of that do you not understand?

        Sheesh. Just keep clinging to your treasonous leaders if that is what you must do. But until you figure it out, you will continue to be a part of the problem, and continue to perpetuate it.

        Sad.

      • Lynnette

        Why is it that everyone keeps drawing lines of distinction? There is NO two party government in this country. There is only ONE government. They are TWO sides to the SAME coin. Those in power will wear whatever guise they must to achieve their agenda. We are but pawns in the game that is being played. We are cannon fodder on which they will tread. BTW, your dissenting trolls here are probably government agents keeping tabs on the riff raff.

      • Old Henry

        No KG, God is not “on our side”. We are on God’s side. His followers, His proponents.

        Kate is correct. The dems and repubs are peas in a pod. It is al smoke and mirrors.

        Better take Rev’s advice. You have been heavily prapagandized.

      • KG

        I know which side my bread is buttered on. And the Republicans want you to think that there is no difference so they can USE YOU. Do you like being used like a prostitute? Then continue believing the Republicans. Remember, it was a Republican who created the largest government agency in our history. And that’s from a group who supposedly supports “smaller Government.” However, the “smaller government” usually meant less for working folks and more for the elite “bourgeois” class.

      • Anthony

        “Not since Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton did I feel a real person was there. ”

        HA!, HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA!

        That sentence sets the tone for the whole message. Obviously, a more serious reply is not warranted.

        HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA! HA!. HA!. HA!. HA!

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Why do you have to bring a higher power into this and say that leftists do not have one? That is ludicrous! You don’t know any spiritual liberals? Just reinforcing the “us agains them” rationale.

      • Kate8

        karolyn – Of course SOME liberals believe in a higher power. Heck, there are plenty of apostate Christian churchs, and then, of course, we have Muslims…and all of these people do vote democrat. Oh, and let’s not forget our long and ever-suffering Jewish brethren.

        However, is is the DEMOCRATS who keep passing laws excluding God from EVERYTHING. As if God has no place in our lives. As if He is separate from everything else. HE IS EVERYTHING.

        It is democrats which continue to promote and legislate things which sould be personal choices, but now carry the weight of “law”. Things which are specifically condemned in many religions.

        There is no doubt that the Left is the party to which it’s been given the work of eliminating God from everything, and to silence Christianity. Well, guess what. Islam condemns those things, too, but you guys defend THEM.

        Belief in a just God is the only thing standing between the NWO and absolute corruption of the people, to which they could then demand (and get) complete subjugation. This is why they MUST villify and eliminate it.

        Belief in a higher power which condones all manner of perverse behavior and enslavement is the NWO’s dream. Many of you have bought it. These are the days in which “men would not endure sound doctrine” and “that which is good is called evil, and that which is evil is called good”.

        Poo poo Scriptures. But they have been right on the mark the whole way.

      • Kate8

        Oh, and btw, Karolyn. The Left’s most cherished sacrament…ABORTION, is not about “choice” at all. It’s a necessary step leading to MANDATORY slaughter of our unborn and recently-born.

        Being short-sighted and uninformed, you won’t see this. But it’s documented, has always been the case, and you will soon see it as fact. Of course, you will come to accept this as okay, too, no doubt.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        KG says: When Obama won the Presidential election in 2008, I was in tears. I really thought a “real” person was our President.

        Do you still think that?

      • KG

        Um, i would like to humbly assert a concept that one of our founding fathers thought especially important in light of what it produced in medieval Europe. Namely the “…wall of separation between church and state.” There is supposed to be no religious test for the office of president. Unlike in Iran, where you have to be a certain religion to be considered for president.

        All of you religious types who want to stop Abortion should become Muslims so you can establish your religious christian “caliphate.”

        I want to know, if Democrats are so evil, then why do Abortions go DOWN during Democrat presidents and go UP under Republican presidents? When Regan was in office, the LAST thing I wanted to do was knock some chick that I couldn’t support. But when I got my good paying UNION job under Clinton, I wasn’t afraid to have children. Economic opportunity has more to do with Abortion than anything Moral.

      • Attaboyslim

        Please people, this discussion was not meant to be about your personal viewpoints on political affiliation or choosing sides over abortion but about the events of September 11, 2001.If you really must be involved in a proverbial “pissing contest” over which party is the most evil, try and remember this one very important item. All, that is correct, every single person, save one, throughout the entire history of the United States is a relative to all the rest. Yup, Obama is related to Clinton to Bush and all the way back it goes. The genealogy charts do not lie and reveal the fact that they are all cousins and every last one of them can trace their roots back to the ancient ruling elites of antiquity. The odds of that happening by chance or by voters choice is mind numbingly improbable. “Seek the truth and the truth will set you free”.

      • KG

        ataboyslim : like 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon? So Barbra Bush is still the “lovechild” of Alester Crowley?

    • D A Y

      I BET YOU SLEEP UNDER YOUR BED TOO… WHAT A NUT CASE….

      • BOOKER T

        YOUR RIGHT, THE GOVERNMENT IS A NUT CASE.

      • http://yahoo marc lizotte

        Yup DAY , he`s a socialist in the making !

      • Maynard

        Calling people names and questioning where they sleep is off topic. Attaboyslim. I agree that this is not about which party is better. Nor is it about geneology. We are al 98% the same as chimps and bonobos. So what? The fact is Bob Livingston has produced a lot of facts and evidence about 9/11 and now I want to point out some of the facts and evidence about the closely related false flag, the anthrax attacks.
        White House insiders, we have learned, SECRETLY started taking anti-anthrax antibiotics, which can have risky side effects, three weeks before the first known threat.
        The first victim, Robert Stevens of Boca Raton, Fl was a photo publisher. His most notorious photo was of Jenna Bush, the president’s daughter, sittting, drunk, on another girl’s lap. There is no known connection between Stevens and the eventual scapegoat, Bruce Ivins. In 2008 Ivins, despite not having been accused, supposedly committed suicide. Yet, his body was not autopsied. It was quickly cremated. Ivins lacked the necessary equipment to perform the screening of the anthrax into a fine powder which would readily disperse the anthrax into the air when the envelopes were opened. If he had tried to do it without this specialized equipment he would have contaminated himself and his lab. Giulianni bought the site where Stevens was infected and had it decontaminated. Why?
        Other letters were sent to leading broadcasters and Democrats. NO REPUBLICANS. This served as a form of intimidation. Would you want to dissent and then get a nice anthrax laced letter?
        The letters were made to look as if they were from a Muslim terrorist group but they were obviously faked. The expressions used and the way they were written showed this. It was stated by McCain and Jerome Hauer, that they probably originated from Saddam Hussein but after the anger in the public had been created, and the attacks launched, it eventually became known that they were from US bioweapons labs right here in the good old peace loving US.
        Wake up Americans, just like Hitler’s Reichstag Fire and his faked Polish attack on Germany, WE HAVE BEEN DUPED. This condition can be rectified. Open your eyes and your minds.

    • Feargy852

      In relation to KG’s comments above; Just as the operation to invade Iraq was written some years before the actual event, so too was the plot/operation to fly airliners into buildings/structures on American soil. This proposal was put forward to President Kennedy by the then joint chiefs of staff so as to gain support and backing from the American public to initiate an all out act of war on Cuba. The proposal in question was named ‘Operation Greenwood’ and President Kennedy vetoed it outright ! This was but one event that marked the end for the President, the withdrawal of troops from Vietnam been but another. So good people, if such an operation could be conceived back in the early 60′s then is it really a stretch of the imagination to think that 9/11 was not an inside job ??

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Wow, a nut job born every minute?

    • TIME

      Dear KG,

      Your post is very well thought out, in fact is quite valid with the way your evidence crosslink’s .
      Well done please do keep up the GREAT work!

      Peace and Love

    • Randy G

      Not to mentiopn that after Kennedy was hit by the first shot, the Govenor was still moving around- not acting like a man shot yet The “Magic Bullet” would not exsist if a bystander hadn’t been hit by a ricochet.

    • JimboNC

      One wonders why people, like the Bushs and others in government, conspire to bring about these falsehoods, knowing that by the time success is achieved it is too late for them to benefit in a meaningful way? Is it really that important to profit billions of $$ so they can hobnob with the lowest of the low in Basel? The one thing I get from the article is that most American whites lose their faith as they get older and, in the end, regret how they lived their lives. This gives meaning to—Live each day as if it is your last.

      • KG

        JimboNC, you are right on! We have to stop pretending to be Puritans, and enjoy our lives.

      • Old Henry

        JimboNC:

        The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Satan roams the world like a roaring lion.

        As I look back I remember how Shrub seemed to be a religous man, but I guess we do not know who he was really praying to.

      • Maynard

        You don’t think the Bush’s have benefited? Why have they been running the presidency since Nixon,with the exceptions of Carter and Clinton. But Clinton was cooperating with them as has Obama and will Romney if he gets in.

    • boyscout

      Great theory for a small imagination. Think bigger; dig deeper. There was one on-the spot news release shown only once that showed the crowd on the grass on the inside curve startled by and moving away from the direction of fire. Within seconds their response was in the opposite direction as they reacted to shots from another direction and they began to hit the dirt helter-skelter in confusion. HS class was shut down and a school TV covering the events offered this single glimpse: we were released early so I went home and waited to share this footage with family. That never occurred. Take my word or no, I have nothing to site but an indelible personal memory. Conspiracies DO happen.

      Follow the money; follow the reach of power; follow the history that followed. Mr. Livingston’s appraisal of the 911 building collapses is spot on. Again, follow the money; follow the reach of power; follow the history that followed. Whose theory is most credible ?

      • boyscout

        As a secondary note: of all the people on the inside curve mentioned, none survive. Within just a few years there were an amazing number of auto accidents, heart attacks, and sundry misfortunes that took their lives. As Johnson took the reins after our commitment to the Vietnam war intensified and the M/I prospered.

    • Old Henry

      Check out this link. The video runs about 25 minutes and explains who killed JFK, why and who benefitted.

      http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/assassination-studies-1/the-american-coup—1963.html

    • http://yahoo Maynard

      The JFK autopsy shows a drawing of a small entry hole in the back of his skull. However, the Parkland doctors all gesured to the back of their heads to show that their was a large opening in that area with brain matter coming out. In fact a piece, of the occipital region was retrieved by a motor cycle policemat who was covered by the blood and brain blowback. Jackie Kennedy was instinctively trying to retrieve portions of JFK’s skull and brain when she crawled on the back of the limo. Almost one hundred onlookers raced to the grassy knoll, which has been made so much fun of, because they and Senator Ralph Yarborough all heard and saw and smelled smoke coming from behind the stockade fence.
      It is not a Republican or a Democrat thing, because both sides have sought power through collusion. Why do you think NDAA 2012 and the $68 billion for drone missiles is bipartisan? Why do you think they both blamed bin Laden when it is obvious that the man in the video we claimed was of him that we “found”in Afghanistan is an imposter. Look at their faces side by side on images of bin Laden. You will see for yourself. It was a master political stroke for the Democrats to claim they got him in Pakistan although is is reported that his kidney failure was so bad in the early part of this millenium that he could not have survived without dialysis. The man watching bin Laden on TV was supposed to be bin Laden. NOT!!!!!
      According to LBJ’s mistress’s comments on video, many important men including both Nixon and LBJ were present at a meeting the night before JFK was killed. She said that Lyndon told her he would not have to be embarassed by those &%%*^$#$#$ Kennedys after that weekend. You can find her interviews on You-tube. There were two important men who claimed they did not remember where they were when Kennedy died: Nixon and GHW Bush. Both were in Texas although the next day a Hoover memo shows Bush was in his office. Bush claimed it was a different man with the same name, Right!

    • http://yahoo gator

      oswald never fired a shot, and ruby shut him up.

    • Feargy852

      Hello kAY, You raised possibly the most important question of all in your comments !! ‘Who had the most to gain ‘ ?? This I would ask you to apply to the 9/11 events !! There is only one answer believe it or not !! ISRAEL had everything to gain from this atrocity, in fact they are the only country who had anything to gain.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    AS I HAVE STATED EARLIER, THIS IS A “white folks’ ” STORY – “HAVE AT IT!”

    • Deerinwater

      Well Sir, it’s a world history story and that you see being non-white setting you apart from the rest of the world , one needs to define themselves for I’m unclear of who they are.

      • Robert Smith

        Amazing, just amazing…

        When I suggest Bush was responsible for something my knuckles get smacked.

        And now folks are trying to convince us that Bush was smart enough to pull off such an evil deed.

        It would take dozens of folks weeks, if not months, to bring enough thermite or an explosive into the building and set it to do the alleged damage. And they weren’t questioned?

        BTW, a friend of mine was on a bus in the Mixing Bowl and saw the plane. It was an airliner, not a missile. She knows the difference. Her husband is a pilot.

        Rob

      • Kate8

        RS, Apparently you don’t read any posts but your own, then. By far, most of us here have already gotten that those at the top are ALL IN ON IT. You haven’t seen anyone here praising the Bush’s.

        But Clinton did his part. Both Clintons, that is. And now Obama is putting the final nails in our coffins.

        Oh, wait. Your’re here to keep this R/L fantasy going. Well, like with the rest of you trolls, you are wasting your time. But then, you obviously have a lot of time to waste.

      • Thor

        From October, 1944 until the end of the war 47 Allied vessels, from PT boats to escort carriers, were sunk by kamikaze attacks, and about 300 damaged.

        Aside from a few task-dedicated flying bombs called “Cherry Blossoms,” most of the aircraft used were of the Kate-class (loaded weight=8,380 lb), Zeroes (loaded weight= 5,313 lb) and Judy’s (loaded weight=9,370 lb), each usually carrying one bomb plus a payload of fuel.

        Among the vessels sank were three aircraft carriers and 14 destroyers, all heavily armored and all heavily defended.

        So, according to what I am reading here (and elsewhere), an aircraft weighing less than 10,000 pounds and carrying only a bomb and avgas can sink an aircraft carrier but a Boeing 767 weighing forty times more (412,000 lb) and carrying a payload of more volatile jet fuel cannot bring down a building?

        The Titanic was not supposed to sink either.

        George Bush lied through his teeth about the intelligence community’s not knowing or even conceiving the use of planes as a terrorist weapon because Republicans via a senate subcommittee on terrorism and unconventional warfare commissioned a study on terrorist motivations and methods which came to fruition in 1993 and revealed that:

        Huzang Morteza’I, an experienced Iranian pilot, served as flight instructor for the IRGC until 1983. He described another form of suicide bombings in which pilots crashed Pilatus PC-7 aircraft loaded with explosives into major targets and died like martyrs. The training of suicide pilots started at Busher air base in Iran in the early 1980’s. (Yossef Bodansky, Target America, p. 14).

        You say Griffin…I say Bodansky.

        Come on, Bob, you may indeed have a conspiracy…but, it ain’t because the planes could not do it.

      • Gordon

        Not directed at anyone in particular:
        Most people like a good conspiracy theory. Probably because of the massive movie and media propaganda brain washing they’ve all gotten for decades. Argue if youz want, but simple facts are that the overwhelming majority of structural engineers agree that the towers could be, and in fact actually were downed solely by the planes. It’s really simple how it could happen, but that is what makes it so juicy for a conspiracy theory. I find it actually scary to realize how many seemingly rational individuals desperately want to believe a conspiracy theory. Was it the first communist president Abe Lincoln that stated something like… if you repeat something loud enough, long enough, with enough emphasis, that sooner or later everybody will believe it. Hang in there people, life is like “1984″ and “Demolition Man” and….. their coming to get YOU.

      • Syl

        We, the public, are forced to examine facts that don’t jibe with official statements because we are always “being played” by powers who would enslave us. Then those powers say, “the public loves a good conspracy” but they don’t explain the facts in question. I know the difference between reality and T.V. fiction and prefer fiction to what is happening to us as a nation. We are becoming enslaved but officially, “that’s just a conspiracy theory!)

      • DaveH

        Thor, you being an ex-cop, I understand why you would have a need to be an apologist for your brethren, but 50 years ago most people would have told you you’re crazy if you said that FDR encouraged the Pearl Harbor attack as a back-door way into the War against Germany.
        Now, however, thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, we know better. Read this book, Thor, and quit being a dupe:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        Syl says:
        September 10, 2012 at 12:35 pm
        We, the public, are forced to examine facts that don’t jibe with official statements because we are always “being played” by powers who would enslave us. Then those powers say, “the public loves a good conspracy” but they don’t explain the facts in question. I know the difference between reality and T.V. fiction and prefer fiction to what is happening to us as a nation. We are becoming enslaved but officially, “that’s just a conspiracy theory!)

        The above is the most sensible comment I have yet read on this thread.

        My two cents worth is this: Having conspirators crash planes into buildings seems easier than blowing them up. Having nation-states behind it with trillions of dollars to be made seems like a good reason for making this happen. Certain people made fortunes from this.

        We must have at least one profit-making business to keep our economy stumbling along. Why not our military? Our military needs to work, and they’re good at their job. Where would our soldiers work if they all came home? Why else does our government give foreign aid to countries who are providing our troops with enemies to kill?

        As far as declaring war on our Constitutional rights is concerned; look at how militarized our police have become. We are now deploying the same drones (UAVs) against America and American citizens that we deploy against our enemies. We now have a “civilian” police force, combined with dozens of new Federal agencies, that can charge you with domestic terrorism and proceed to do pretty much anything they want to you. We are now officially presumed guilty instead of innocent.

        An example: One federal agency (FEMA) tells you to be prepared for an emergency and keep supplies at home to support yourself or your family for a week or two; another government agency (Homeland Security) says that such people are to be watched as potential domestic terrorists.

        Our government seems to being going insane, and we just do nothing. Most people can’t even be bothered to vote. I know people who are so certain their votes or voices do not matter that they refuse to even vote. Americans citizens are letting America down. It is our fault for letting things get this bad while we as a people refused to acknowledge the damage our government incurs upon the populace. This state of affairs cannot last forever. We seem to be heading down the same path the Russians went down.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Kurt Van Luven: Oswald was a patsy. His rifle was defective. Someone did shoot from the back but the chances of a hit were minimized not just by the Manlicher-Carcano having a defective scope but there was a tree between the Texas School Book Depository and the Kennedy limousine. There is also information out there that the limousine had a bullet hole in the front windshield. There is an eyewitness from Parkland Hospital and the man who put in a new windshield. Senator Ralph Yarborough saw and smelled gunsmoke coming from behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll. There was a plan to kill JFK by triangulation of fire when he was in Miami but it didn’t happen.
        There were shots from the front because all the Parkland Doctors initially reported a huge deficit in the back of his skull (exit wound) and there were skull fragments from the occipital region found by a motorcycle cop. When the autopsy was performed in Washington, instead of the actual photos, a drawing of the back of his skull showed a small entry wound. The official photographer supposedly committed suicide. Although he was left-handed the bullet wound was on the right side.
        How can you categorically state it was Oswald. He was obviouly a government agent. He had a top secret clearance when in Japan and yet he was supposedly a defector to the Soviet Union. In those days of the Cold War a big propaganda campaign would have occurred when he returned to the effect of “See our system is better, Communism sucks, etc.” Instead, he was brought back quietly at government expense and set up in various jobs. In New Orleans he worked closely with right wingers.
        I suppose you think lone nuts killed Malcolm X, MLuther King, RFK, and shot Larry Flynt and Governor Wallace and in 1980 killed John Lennon. Reagan was shot by the son of a Texas oil Tycoon political supporter of GHW Bush and the case against the tycoon for some kind of fraud was then dropped.. Pappy was then effectively calling the shots for the rest of Reagan’s presidency. His son Neil was in on the billions of dollars theftsof the Savinsg & Loans that cost the middle class dearly. Reagan was the figurehead and delivered his lines just as GWBush did after 9/11. Pappy tried to pret
        end he did not know the Hinckley’s which was a dead giveaway.
        I hate to tell you but you can’t vote them all out. Every election has a winner. It is up to us to vote out the worse of the two choices. That is the best we can hope for. However, Homeland Security, Fema et al are tightening the noose. Did you hear about the dried food packets and hollow point bullets they are stocking up on? In two years the domestic drone program ($68 BILLION allotted for starters) will be in place. Then it will be “Let the slaughter begin.” I’m old but I pity those who have their whole lives ahead of them.

    • BOOKER T

      RACIST

    • Lynnette

      Although you may think this is a “white folks” story, you will find eventually that this is not just a black and white story, nor a national story, but a GLOBAL story. This story knows no party Republican or Democrat. The people who have done this have a world wide agenda and the driving force is greed. The game has been in played for hundreds of years and is almost at end. It ends with 85% of the world population annihilated and the rest enslaved. They have built their bunkers to survive while they release deadly designed viruses to be released on the unsuspecting population of the world. This game encompasses all the major western powers. You can ridicule me in disbelief, but eventually, you will see I am right. You have but to look around you to find that Big Brother is already in place and getting stronger, the latest being the FBI’s facial recognition program. There are cameras at most every street corner in the cities. If you search the internet and start to put pieces together, the picture becomes clear. I do not have to convince you of what is happening, it will happen one way or the other. Short of a major natural disaster, there isn’t a thing we can do. The game is rigged.

      • Old Henry

        Keep an eye on daddy Bush and Shrub. When they bundle up and head for their place in South America it is about to take place.

      • Migdalia Leon

        I agree with you Lynette on everything you just wrote and I wanted to inform you and others this government will want for everyone to be inserted with the RIFD chip. We are headed towards a cashless society for when the economy crashes then the US citizens will be force to have the chip inserted by the government. This chip will be used for your medical records and to buy and sell and work, it will have a account of all your monies in your account. The government will use the RIFD Chip to control every US Citizens, for example if the citizens protest the government on a issued, the government can pick up signals of who was there protesting and therefore the government can turn your chip off. And with the chip turn off you can’t buy food or do anything. We are heading towards a New World Order a One World Government. Most people are not aware the RIFD Chip and it is included in the Obamacare.

      • Kate8

        True, Old H. But how will we know? I’m sure their departure won’t be announced.

        No doubt there is enough pre-recorded footage to run on TV to make us think it’s all business as usual, right down to the big BOOM.

      • Kate8

        Migdalia – They will not only turn off your ability to buy or sell. The chip has the capability to turn US off. Permanently.

        They plan to turn us in to the Borg. Heck, most folks are already mostly there… all that’s left is to make it official. Unless, of course, we all snap out of it REALLY SOON.

      • Tim

        I looked into the 911 conspiracy theories with an open mind and there is one definitive conclusion for me. I can only speak from personal experience and I can tell you this. I have been a Boeing 757 mechanic for many years and a 757 did not slam into the Pentagon. I’ve been in aviation for 25 years now and it doesn’t even begin to add up. Just a few examples of what I am talking about: no seats all over the place, no luggage and clothing strewn over the site, no lengthy body cleanup, no large fuel spill clean up or jet fuel fire. NO convincing 757 parts period, I don’t care what the new outlets have told you. Further, a 757 would have made a much wider hole in the building, the engines (around 14 tons of mass) and the center section of the airplane would no have made a perfectly round hole like the first pictures showed, and they didn’t show that perfectly round hole for long believe me. Bottom line for me, if a 757 definitely didn’t hit the Pentagon then why is it a stretch to believe the whole thing is a conspiracy against every American by the sick global elites.

      • wandamurline

        Being the paranoid person that I am, I have always thought it very strange that the towers would collaspe as if a demolition man had blown them….they fell straight down onto themselves and they were hit at the top of the buildings….I could understand if they were hit at the bottom….gravity cannot explain this and one reporter was reporting on Bldg. 7 being destroyed and it was still standing. Then you get to Osama bin Laden….I believe this guy who was k i l l e d was not bin Laden, I believe that bin Laden d i e d some years ago from kidney disease as he needed dialysis….didn’t see any evidence of that in his house from what photos were released, and that is why videos stopped and only audio tapes were supposedly received. A BBS reporter had an Afghan man saying it was a case of mistaken identity … that they guy used to be his neighbor and called his name. I believe this is why the body was dumped so quickly and all photos were not released … I do believe the Seals were fooled by the guy they s h o t….maybe some realized this and this is why a lone insurgent took down the helicopter in which 16 Seals were k i ll e d. I have gotten to the point that I do not trust our government, they are corrupt, greedy, and will do whatever they can to scare us and control us. We do have FEMA camps right now, with barbed wire on top…what is that needed for, and why is Social Security and NOAA purchasing thousands of rounds of amunition, and why has FEMA ordered 300 times the freeze dried foods they usually order? This country is in trouble and we all know that the Bushes are new world order guys….pretty sure about Clinton…but think Obama is just a puppet of George Soros who want to anticolonialize America….bring it to it ‘s knees and give the countries we colonized what we have in order to fill his numnut, alcoholic, dead beat dad’s dreams of equalization. So, I will get a lot of flack for this, but if you start connecting the dots, it paints a different picture than what the lame stream news medias are painting and what the government paints…..they believe that We The People are stupid and they want us to be servants instead of citizens. Of course, most of us will fight back and this is why all the ammunition.

      • diamond1957

        this is a bible story whose roots run deep and well beyond newsstand variety slop. Its obvious the cover story is just that, a cover story, to get to the true conspirators would require an ability to pierce through the veil of everyday conscious programing we have all been subject to our entire lives. Yes we have all programed ourselves into expecting normalcy, 2+2 must always =4 we take that for granted, and there are those who know this and use it to operate in plain sight, politicians dont even try to hide things anymore, call it
        desensitising or expanding the norm. But its right out of the Bible, failure of right believing, the placing of false gods (ie;homes,cars, money,position etc..) before the one true God, in how many stories is it told that the peoples minds were given over to or blinded from the truth. As a society we brought this on ourselves, we have allowed God to be removed from our daily lives, thus we have become as sheep for the slaughter. But I’m sure the media and writers would much rather have a conspiracy than the simple truth, cause it sells better, and who could compete with the Bible when it comes to the truth.

      • Gordon

        Wandamurline here’s the oversimplified version: Ever see a flue fire. A chimney fire? The center of all the tall buildings are a hole, top to bottom for elevators and utilities. Fuel poured down those center holes runs down while it is flaming, all the while the rising hot air sucks massive amounts of air from the bottom making the center a blast furnace melting the center steel structural integrity of the buildings causing an implosion of sorts as the center falls into itself. Yes Rosie O’Donnel, fire can melt steel. How do you think they make steel in the first place?

      • moonbeam

        wandamurline, when looking a film of the towers during the crashes, you will see explosions taking place on the lower floors that had nothing to do with the plane. All was craftily planned and bushboy knew all about it. If you watch the video of when they told him while talking to a classroom of kids in Florida, his reaction was totally inappropriate. When I saw that I said to myself…”he knew about it before hand!”

        Also, we all know that the bushboogies declined to show up at the repub convention in Tampa, Florida. Why? Because they knew of the citizens arrest planned for them for their war crimes. They even tried to arrest Condi Rice. This is also why bushboy can’t step foot overseas as he will be arrested for his war crimes and rightfully so.

      • Old Henry

        I wondered the same thing as I was typing that Kate.

        I wonder if that may be one reason they have been / are keeping so much out of sight.

        However, in today’s world there must be individuals who are keeping watch on them, or at least one of them.

        As an aside I did not watch the DNC last week, but received an email this a.m. with a link in the story to the speach given by former MI Gov. Jennifer Granholm. It is good for a laugh. I thought she was going to be orgasmic by the end.

        http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/09/10/michigans-governor-looks-like-a-cheerleader-sounds-like-one-and-thinks-like-one/

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Lynnette,”

        MA’AM, NEGROES AND MIDDLE-EASTERNERS ARE NOT ANGRY WITH EACH OTHER; MIDDLE-EASTERNERS ARE ANGRY WITH CAUCASIANS O-N-L-Y.

      • Lynnette

        I do not deny this, what you fail to see is that those with the power see only one color and it is green (or gold/silver/platinum or whatever color greed takes). You will find that your anger is misdirected and always has been. Your beloved black president is one of them, low ranking, but one none the less. When the [expletive deleted] hits the fan, he will go underground and he will leave you here to burn with all the others white, red, yellow, brown, black and every shade in between.

      • Old Henry

        I’m with you Wanda! However, I have not trusted the govt. since they shot JFK and then put the blame on Oswald. I remember telling my parents back in the late 60s and early 70s that LBJ had him shot, or was deeply involved. They were not sure it was Oswald, but did not think Johnson was in on it.

        Of course the govt. lies to us, and we lie to them…. every April. LOL!

      • Old Henry

        Citizen’s arrest moombeam? This is the first I had heard of the plan.

        What happened when they tried to arrest Condi Rice?

      • DaveH

        Gordan says — “Wandamurline here’s the oversimplified version: Ever see a flue fire. A chimney fire? The center of all the tall buildings are a hole, top to bottom for elevators and utilities”.

        Sorry, Gordon, you’re making a lot of assumptions there. First all of the elevator shafts would have to be unobstructed. Even then, you expect us to believe that any updraft would create enough heat for the jet fuel to melt the steel? And if, somehow, the fire was hot enough, the odds for a controlled collapse like that of the towers, would be extremely small. The fires would have to be very evenly spread for a symmetrical collapse.

        I’m more inclined to believe these guys:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx6fBlV9o-Y

      • DaveH
      • Gordon

        Well DAVE, thank you for your comment. It is painfully obvious that you have NEVER been inside the utility core of a major building.

      • Wil

        Migdalia-they don’t really even need the chip. They’re already there with the smart phones.Already linked to bank accounts,always-on GPS to track everybody,etc.They will probably be made mandatory for every citizen to carry at all times soon.

      • DaveH
      • granny mae

        Lynnette,
        You are so right. At this point in time I see no purpose in rehashing all this crap. I’m sure there were explosions within the building because there were many pipes of explosive materials throught the buildings. There was even a restraunt at the top of the one building and I’m sure there were other places to go get food throughout the buildings. To think those places did not have explosive gasses and canisters around is rediculous. When there is a fire of the magnitude of the WTC set off by jet fuel you got to know that something has got to give. And yes it is hot enough to melt and weaken steel. The ability of something to fall in a certain direction is influenced by a lot of factors and one of them is the wind at that hight ! Those buildings moved back and forth all the time, they had to in order to be stable, it is part of their design. It is pointless to keep blaming everyone around for what happened. We have the words of those responsible that they did it and they bragged about it so get out of the past and focus on the present and the future so we can stop what we know is happenig right now !

      • grannymae1

        It is plane to see that most of you people wanting to believe in this story that it was planned by Washington to take down the towers are seeing what you want to see and think you are using what you call common sense but I’m here to tel you that the majority of you know nothing about jet fuel or anything else of what you are trying to talk about. You are seeing things that other people want you to see and they are telling you is true. None of it is based on real fact. I worked with explosives and chemicals for years and I know them well. You all are p-ssing in the wind. As for the Kennedy assisnation, that was a conspiricy and I think in my heart that Johnson was behind it but not alone. The group that wanted Kennedy gone also wanted his brother Robert gone. There again it is too late for that story anymore !

      • Lynnette

        grannymae1, I NEVER said Washington was behind it. I said the powers that rule the world behind the major western governments was BEHIND the bombings. And as for the buildings, ones as tall as the Twin Towers were DO NOT implode into their footprint without a whole lot of help of which there was ample evidence to be found afterwards. Please make sure as to who you are actually responding to, because so far you do NOT make a whole lot of sense concerning my postings.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        Hey Gordon…why not put your cognitive dissonance aside and realize that OZ is dung brown when you take off your emerald glasses and that the Wizard is a psychopath that will do whatever it takes to get people like you to believe that he is real. Apparently he has done a bang up job because my 17 year old has it figured out and you still don’t. 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB and had the aide of your buddies over their in IsreaLIE via the MOSSAD. So pllllllleeeeezzzzzeeee get your head out of your …well, fill in the blank. I have NO IDEA how someone could be so stupid when it comes to these obvious lies we have been fed. SHOW ME the JETS in the Pentagon photos or the field in PA. SHOW ME a fire that can be stoked to the temperature necessary to totally destroy 100 story steel and concrete buildings in 10 seconds and I’ll show you that you must have monkeys flying out of your… well fill in the blank again.

      • granny mae

        Lynnette, I wasn’t responding to you in all that I said. I told you that I agreed with you and then I was responding to may others on the same subject. Sorry you got the wrong idea and that is why it didn’t make any sense to you. Yes buildings can implode on themselves when there are explosions going off and with the exploding planes there were a lot of things going on that were unusual. There can be explosions from other things within the building such as gas pipes and cooking surfaces and heating and cooling contraptions that can explode with immediate result from the fire and the movement of the building at the time of impact and it doesn’t have to be done by deliberate setting of devises. I worked with chemicals and explosives and some of them very touchy, and I can tell you for sure that they can do things you would not believe. So don’t be so sure that all that happened was some master plan by Washington. I don’t expect any of you to believe me because you will believe what you want and see what you want, but you could be very wrong. I myself have convinced a doctor, a judge and a jury that something they were looking at was one thing when in fact it was really something else. They saw what they wanted to see and what I told them to see. You people are doing the same thing. You want to see conspiricy everywhere. And you will and just like that doctor and judge and jury you will be dead wrong but you will never know it because you don’t want to know it ! Consider this. When demolition experts want to implode a building they place explosives on certain wals within the building, now consider this when building and designing a huge building pipes and such that carry explosive material are run along the walls for a reason, it is the only place to put them where they are out of sight and most of these buildings are designed to be very open in the living and work space. There is no place to put these pipes except along the berring walls within the building when an explosion of such magnitude happens these volital pipes and such give way just like they do in an deliberate implosion. Down comes the building, and when the force of the upper floors hit the next one on the way down those floors were going to give also. Your talking about tons of weight that most people can’t immagine and explosive power that most can’t imagine. Jet fuel is one of the most explosive sobstances there is. It can be set off by a spark of static electricity from just movement of certain cloths. That is why those people chose to use jet planes of such a size and ramming them as quickly as possible so as not to have used any more fuel than was absolutely necessary. These people were not the stupid third world country idiots everyone thought they were. They knew exactly what they were doing every minute. The only thing they didn’t count on was the intelligence and determination and dedication of the American spirit on those planes. There was also divine guidence and intervention at that time and to rule out the presence of God is a mistake I won’t make. Some say the plane that hit the Pentagon was impossible to have manuvered. Wrong it doesn’t take a genious to let the plane fall and for all we know it may not have hit where it was intended to hit, but it did hit where it did ! There is othig we can do about all this today but we can keep our wits about us and be on guard for what they still want to do to us. If we allow ourselves to be distracted by the pastwe will not be able to see the present and the future. Sorry this is so long. I’m not trying to make anyone feel like an idiot, just trying to point out that there are some very good explanations for what happened the way it happened and beware of others tring to make you see what they want you to see because most of the time they have their own agenda and need support for their views. Don’t fall into the trap.

      • Gordon

        Dave, you are trying to prove yourself right using the wrong premise. This was not open air burning, and steel gets soft and easier to bend at a moderate temperature, long before it melts.

    • RichE

      How does one become non-white?

      • deerinwater

        LOL! being anything but “white” would be my guess.

      • http://yahoo marc lizotte

        LOL, I wonder if human fits in there anywhere!

      • Vicki

        RichE says:
        “How does one become non-white?”

        Get a suntan? :)

      • RichE

        Putting on the lotion,
        laze’n the sun.
        No more commotion,
        only having fun.
        No more notion,
        Of what they all done
        Don’t need Mr. Potion’s,
        cloudy bouillon.
        (chorus)
        Sailing on the ocean,
        I’m not a white one

    • http://McPherson Jarvis

      I’ve heard so many perspectives on scientists stating that it is impossible for buildings to do this. Name another disaster, like this, that happened that you can compare this to. There are thousands of variables that science cannot take into account that explains how the towers fell. How about engineering, materials used in the building of the towers, the loads of flammable materials present in a building that does the amount of business the towers did? What kind of heating and cooling system the towers used etc. Have we forgotten the size of these planes that crashed into the towers and what they were filled with? Can we measure the amount of force that was liberated from the collapse of the buildings and those variables of proximity to other buildings?

      • Old Henry

        Jarvis:

        I’ll bet you also think Oswald shot Kennedy.

        Better re-read Bob’s article.

      • Fireplace

        A good place to start Jarvis, is understanding thatJet kerosene fuel burns at a max 1800 degrees, whereas steel doesn’t even get soft until it reaches the 4800 degree range. One can see multiple people waving from the missle entry points…so tell me; How does a fire hot enough to vaporice steel supports not have the energy to consume mere meat and bone humans? Bush lied when saying in an interview, that he saw the 1st plane crash into WTC and thought, “what a terrible accident”.Later an Aide came in and told him another Plane had hit, so he kwew we were under attack then,,. but stayed and continued reading-putting himself AND all those school kids in danger, Bush even flew off on Air Force One withOUT a jet escort! The reason Bush wasn’t rushed from the building (ignoring protocal) is because if anyone knew they were safe, it was Bush. Oh, and regarding his statement that he saw the 1st Plane hit the frst target on the classroom’s monitor- was a complete lie- The only film of the 1st plane hitting was taken by a rench Film Crew shooting on the streets of New York and wasn’t made available for hours- so Bush lied. If he saw the 1st building hit at all, it was from his secure satillite link onitor in another room where real time visuals would require the satillites be ordered to focus on the trade center because they were expecting the hits and watched in real time. And how does a Jumbo Jet fit trrough the 16 foot hole it supposedly opened? The depth of the destruction has been measured- and would allow ONLY the fuselage into the building leaving the entire plane outsid….so where did it go> At the Pentagon AND Shanksville (ft 93) no fuselage was found; no luggage, no wheels, no cargo doors. no bodies..just a pristine “terrorist’s” ID laying nearby- just as Atta’s pristine ID was found a couple blocks from the WTC in the debris field (how is its survival even remotely possible as the plane/missle was obliterated). Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Meyers, Powell, and Kissenger and others, are monsters who MUST be brought up on treason, sedition, and mass murder charges- on the 3000 slaughted victims here they butchered, but also the million plus civilions that have been slaughted for oil and Nationbuilding, plus land grabs for Israel. The evidences for this being an inside job overwhelm any scenerio to the contrary. AE911truth.org, Bollyn.com, DVD: In Plane Site; DVD: A Noble Lie…are good places to inform yourselves. Remember also, the Repubs and the Dems are the flip-side of the same coin- no change: Wars will continue; False flags will, continue to erode the Constitution, the Federal Reserve will continue the Theft of TRILLIONS of dollars from our economy with the protection of both Obama and Romney; The NDAA will not be questioned and our country will continue to be sold out from under us by the very Politicians who’ve sold their souls to do so… all the while, pundits such as Hannity, O’reilly, and others,will continue to muzzle and denigrate anyone with the cajones to speak out, The facts are alllll there, Folks. Just inform yourself with the truth. Kudos Bob Livingston. YOU have a spine…Thanks.

      • Gordon

        FIREPLACE your numbers are totally wrong. period. Steel gets softer about 600*f and turns to liquid by 2000*f . Ask anybody who has ever used a cutting torch or welder. The blast furnace effect can make even a wooden house (451*f) disintegrate concrete with temps above 1600*.

      • Gordon

        Old Henry. No question about it- Oswald did shoot JFK. The big question is, who else shot JFK? and who ordered it?

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Gordon says — “Ask anybody who has ever used a cutting torch”.
        You’re mixing apples and oranges, Gordon. Different fuels, different environments:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_torch

      • Kate8

        Gordon – It’s plain that you haven’t read much about the JFK shooting. There is actually a great deal of evidence that it was NOT Oswald who shot him. No doubt Ruby was there to make sure he didn’t talk.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        As well, there is ample evidence that explosives were used.

        http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060118104223192

      • grannymae1

        Fireplace,
        I don’t know where the cat hair you got all your information, but most of it is wrong. There is film of one of the planes going right through the entire building and some of it coming out the otherside. There were landing gear found in several places and not just right below the buildings, as for people not being vaporized that is true. One man lived to tell his story but most did not. As for the plane in Shanksville how much of anyone or anything do you think you would find when a passenger drove nose down full speed into the ground? You are a prime example of what I meant when I said people will see and believe what they want and there is no way you can convince them otherwise. Your common sense is not common at all. Jarvis you make a lot of sense and Old Henery, I don’t think for a minute that Oswald killed Kennedy, there were pictures of him standing in the doorway of the Texas school book depository just moments before the shooting. Even showed a close-up of his watch as to the time, but I do think he knew all about it. He didn’t do it though. Just another case of people beliving what they want when someone is telling them what they want to hear. I focuses the mind in the opposite direction for a very good reason, it makes it easier to cover up the truth !

      • JC

        Wallace Miller is the coroner of Somerset County. (UA93)
        He told author David McCall:

        “I got to the actual crash site and could not believe what I saw. … Usually you see much debris, wreckage, and much noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise. … It appeared as though there were no passengers or crew on this plane.”

        Local FBI agent Wells Morrison told author Glenn Kashurba what he saw when he arrived at the crash site: “We arrived in the immediate area and walked up to the crater and the burning woods. My first thought was, ‘Where is the plane?’ Because most of what I saw was this honeycomb looking stuff, which I believe is insulation or something like that. I was not seeing anything that was distinguishable either as human remains or aircraft debris.”

        Jon Meyer, a reporter with WJAC-TV, says: “We were so early that they hadn’t had a chance to set up a barrier for the press. … I was able to get right up to the edge of the crater. … All I saw was a crater filled with small, charred plane parts. … There were no suitcases, no recognizable plane parts, no body parts.”

      • Gordon

        Kate, just because you strongly believe it doesn’t make it true or correct.

    • kygator

      WOW!! How does yu’all meke sech a decision???

      • http://na Mike in NE

        Fireplace, very well stated. i put up a sign on a very busy street after this happened calling out for the monsters you mentioned to be brought up on those very charges. We had a small gathering of like minded folks standing by, did not stay but a few hours for it seemed too dangerous from the comments of passing cars. Came back two hours later and the sign was gone, just like the wreckage of the planes, no engines, fuselage,seats etc. i was always amazed at aircraft crashes of the widespread area of stuff from the plane. Did not see that on 9-11. I was and still am convinced that said monsters orchestrated the whole thing, with no doubt.

    • http://keith@paintballpartyz.com keith

      it probally was white fokes–white fokes, good or bad make most all the big decisions. if we did a through and open investigation we might find a black foke to blame. if being involved would make you feel less left-out you should support an investagation–christopher. this race thing is just a stupid deversion. if your brave enough to view the unexplainable with 9/11 type in LOOSE CHANGE 2nd edition

      • Old Henry

        Pick up the DVD “9/11 Blueprint for Truth”. I got it on eBay for less than $5 with shipping.

        It is a recording of a seminar given by a structural engineer. He shows how the guvment story line is not possible.

      • Gordon

        I haven’t seen it, but MOST structural engineers that actually got better than a D- grade realize how the planes caused the collapse. D- engineers…. they’re everywhere.

      • DaveH

        I believe you now, Gordon.
        Yeah right.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Keith,”

        THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, AMERICAN NEGROES ARE CONSIDERED THE “low man on the totem pole” – ESPECIALLY, BY SOUTHEAST-ASIANS ["Orientals"]. WHEN A GLOBAL- OR INTERNATIONAL CRISIS OCCURS, NO ONE BLAMES AMERICAN NEGROES BECAUSE WE ARE CONSIDERED IMPOTENT PEOPLE WHO LACK POLITICAL- AND FINANCIAL POWER.

        “Keith,” I HAVE TYPED THIS BEFORE. IF YOU HAD SURVEYED THE “NEGRO MAN ON THE STREET” ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001 AND ASKED:

        “What is the World Trade Center?”
        “Where is the World Trade Center?”
        “What goes on at the World Trade Center?”

        THE AVERAGE NEGRO COULD NOT HAVE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001. THEREFORE, WHY SHOULD AMERICAN NEGROES BE ANGRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THE FOLLOWING MORNING?

      • Lynnette

        Christopher, if you want to be taken seriously, use capitalization at a minimum, otherwise you come across as some fool screaming his “cause” like those in mobs shaking their fists. No one will really listen becasuse it shows you cannot control yourself.

        Now, as to why the “black man” should be concerned about the towers. On the surface I can see your point and I don’t question it. What is at question here is the agenda as it applies to EVERY MAN no matter what his or her color, by those in power in the world. Those towers represented the WORLD and how every country in it did business with one another. By them being attacked, those powers basically said “We own you.” and they went on to blame the Muslims for the atrocity. The fact is there is an elite government that manipulates the world, not just our government. If you thought the black man was enslaved before, you’re going to have LOTS of company this time. YOU will not be spared, so ,YES, it does concern the black man.

        One last thing, while you are feeling put upon by the white man, I have two points to make. The people who brought down the towers are the very same ones who were behind slavery in the first place. And secondly, many of YOUR ancestors, sold YOUR relatives into bondage. Do your homework before you can feel justified in you attitude.

      • Deerinwater

        Lynnette, 6 weeks ago, in the most gentle of manners, I too addressed Chris about the use of Caps. ~ Obviously ~ he/she or it is obstinate. I’m uncertain as to the character “Chris Horton” intent or motives are but clearly it is not here to learn.

      • Deerinwater

        “THE AVERAGE NEGRO COULD NOT HAVE ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS ON 10 SEPTEMBER 2001. THEREFORE, WHY SHOULD AMERICAN NEGROES BE ANGRY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED THE FOLLOWING MORNING?”

        Judging by what you are attempting to sell us Mr. Horton, I’m left to believe that I don’t know what an “average American Negro” is. I’ve never considered a negro that requires the use of one hand holding on to his pecker to hold his pants up as “average”. While I do accept and understand there various region of the nation will have a “average” until itself. So are you talking about “Bama” or Mississippi or South Caroline or south Fort Worth, Texas or a Nation of “Averages”?

        I tend to believe you are stereotyping the American Negro and while you may not be wrong, you are not exactly right either.

        Hard economic times hits the under classes of all race, creed and color , disenfranchised, under educated, under prepared, under privileged, under employed first and the hardest and it stays the longest.

        The good news is “crack sells is down ” in some areas of the country and girls are finding it harder to sell tail, supply & demand ~ seems the demand is down.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Lynnette,”

        I DO NOT DOUBT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE GLOBAL “STUFF.” MY POINT IS, NEGROES CAN ONLY DEAL WITH WHAT WE SEE ON THE NEWS. THE NEWS SAID MIDDLE-EASTERNERS “DID IT.”

        WHEN A NEGRO WATCHES WORLD NEWS, WE HEAR CAUCASIAN JOURNALISTS ONLY TALK ABOUT THE BAD COLORED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.

        SINCE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LIKES TO “STICK ITS NOSE” IN OTHER NATIONS’ BUSINESS, AMERICAN NEGROES VIEW “9/11″ AS MIDDLE-EASTERN RETALIATION AGAINST A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE [AMERICAN CAUCASIANS] WHO WANT TO STEAL THEIR OIL, DO NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND DO NOT LIKE THE WAY IN WHICH THEY WORSHIP THEIR “god.”

      • Lynnette

        LOL…Christopher Allen Horton are you having a good time? For a white boy, you do like to stir up trouble. If I were you, I’d stop hanging around Gay web sites, makes you look like you might be one. And you were VERY easy to find on Facebook.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I don’t know about anyone else, but I find your point well made.

        I get it. And you do not seem racist to me. It seems that anytime race enters into a conversation, it is assumed that someone is racist. That’s why we can’t have discussions about race in America… unless it’s to condemn the white man. Then it’s not racist.

        BTW, lots of middle easterners are very white. Look at the people in Iran.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        SIR, I AM SO GLAD YOU REPLIED.

        “Deerinwater,” YOU WERE THE ONE WHO TOLD ME ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO I AM FROM THE “Old South.” SIR, YOU WERE CORRECT. WHEN I SOCIALIZE WITH NEGROES, I AM USUALLY THE ONLY ONE WHO IS A HIGH-SCHOOL GRADUATE – NOT TO MENTION, A COLLEGE GRADUATE.

        I AM SURPRISED THERE ARE CAUCASIANS ON THIS SITE WHO ARE OVER SIXTY AND DO NOT KNOW HOW NEGROES OVER SIXTY THINK.

      • Lynnette

        Christopher you are a pink faced WHITE BOY.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH YOUR COMMENTS MEAN TO ME. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE ONE OF MY FAVORITE Personal Libertarians.

        YES – AS A NEGRO REPUBLICAN, I FEEL LIKE AN OUTSIDER. BUT, I WANT CAUCASIAN Personal Libertarians TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT LIFE IS LIKE FOR NEGROES LIKE, ME.

        AGAIN “Kate8,” MA’AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Lynnette

        Kate8…If you buy this kid’s crap, you are not as bright as I think you are. Do a search on his name and see what turns up. You will find out that he is a very white pink faced troll who has a good time stirring the pot wherever he goes. He’s on Facebook plain as day, which means he’s really not as bright as he likes to think he is.

      • Karolyn

        Lynette – Do you think there is ony one Christopher Allen Horton in the country? And why would he use his real name if he is a young white boy?

      • Lynnette

        Karolyn, after doing much searching, I was able to find exactly ONE Chris Horton that was black and lived in the Memphis area. Horton is a white name, as is Christopher and Allen. That’s why I think he is a white boy, who is having a terrifically good time making fools of you.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Lynnette,”

        YES – I HAVE MADE MANY COMMENTS ON VARIOUS SITES.

        I FIRST BEGAN COMMENTING ONLINE AS A PRODUCT REVIEWER FOR Amazon.com IN JULY 2011.

        I AM “OLD-SCHOOL.” I PURCHASED MY FIRST COMPUTER IN JUNE 2011. I AM A “LIBRARY-CARD-CATALOG” MAN. TODAY’S CHILDREN MAKE POOR GRADES IN SCHOOL BECAUSE THEY RELY ON COMPUTERS FOR RESEARCH – YET, THEY KNOW NOTHING OF CROSS-REFERENCING.

        “Lynnette,” I AM NOT ASHAMED OF NOT O-N-E WORD I HAVE TYPED ONLINE SINCE JULY 2011.

        A-N-Y-O-N-E IS FREE TO Google MY NAME. I AM NOT ASHAMED OF ANYTHING. A MAN STANDS BY THE THINGS HE SAYS [OR, TYPES].

      • Kate8

        Lynette – As with anyone, I will take Mr. Horton at his word until I have reason or evidence not to.

        It’s not my job to second guess posters. I form an opinion based on things they post. I see no reason to do anything more.

        I haven’t really found anything he’s said to be offensive that I can recall. He’s entitled to his opinion like everyone else. I have no intention of searching out his, or anyone’s, online bios.

      • grannymae1

        Old Henery, A structural engineer was my classifacation when I was working. Now you prove to me that guy was who and what he said he was. You have no proof of that just that he said he was and you believed him ! BS !

    • Randy G

      Don’t ever accuse anyone else as being Racist– YOU should try joining the Human Race.

    • Winddrinker

      CAH, This is an “American Story!”

      Many different colors of Americans died that day….We all suffer when there is corruption in government.

      If I were a cone-headed, radical, I would give you what liberals think is their worst insult …I would call you, “Racist.”

      And, the next time I heard blacks complain, I would tell them to “Have at it” because that is a problem for all you “Black folks.”

      • Old Henry

        Just wait until his dependency checks, provided by the White Folk, stop arriving every month.

      • Gordon

        CAH apparently does not consider himself an American. Thou sayest. He admits that he does not support core American values….. All you hyphenated people out there should consider moving back to your ancestors’ country of origin. Not being hateful, just stating that if you don’t want to be American, then get out and don’t come back.

    • Mikey

      How is it that this racist idiot, with his sticking “caps” button, is almost always the first to respond to these articles? Does anybody know what this fool is saying? He makes little or no sense.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Mikey,

        You write: “How is it that this racist idiot, with his sticking “caps” button, is almost always the first to respond to these articles?” He does not sleep. The articles go live at midnight.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://patriotupdate major

        Mikey I have tried to get people on this site as well as other sites like this one to ignore these Trolls, Liberals whatever you want to call them,they are here just as a diversion so the real issue doesn’t get discussed the conversation is all about them. Please Ignore them and they will go away.

      • Mikey

        Thanks Bob, that explains it. Perhaps his lack of sleep explains some of his strange rants as well.

      • Mikey

        Yes major, there certainly are lots of trolls. How else do you explain these folks, like Robert Smith, Flashy or Doc Jarvis who disagree with everything posted here, and feel the need to try and convince others that we’re wrong. Most of us are Libertarian or at least conservative, and enjoy reading these newsletters. Do they really think they can change our minds? Are they that stupid? They only further the rift between conservative and liberal.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        I AM A “NIGHT PERSON.” “Harold Olsen” AND I SEEM TO BE THE “NIGHT OWLS” ON THIS SITE.

        “Mikey,” CAUCASIANS OFTEN SAY WHAT YOU SAID. REMEMBER, WE WERE BROUGHT HERE AS SLAVES. CAUCASIAN AMERICANS A-S-S-U-M-E NEGROES SUPPORT AMERICA. NEGROES ARE ONLY TRYING TO MAKE THE “BEST” OF A BAD SITUATION BY LIVING HERE.

        “Mikey,” WHY DO YOU THINK Black Entertainment Television [BET] EXISTS? NEGROES LIKE ENTERTAINMENT AND SALACIOUS NEWS. WE WERE COMMENTING THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE EMPTY SEATS AT THE Democratic National Convention. NEGROES DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT – I GUARANTEE, IN THE AVERAGE-NEGRO HOUSEHOLD, TELEVISIONS WERE TUNED TO ENTERTAINMENT PROGRAMMING DURING CONVENTION COVERAGE.

        I REMEMBER AFTER “9/11,” THE MEDIA SAID “America was in mourning;” I DO NOT KNOW ANY NEGROES WHO WERE “in mourning.”

      • Kate8

        Christopher – No doubt. And I know lots of white people who didn’t pay much attention to 9/11, too.

        There are lots of people who don’t get involved in current events. Probably most people, regardless of color. I was amazed at how many people were completely unmoved by the events of that day. Nor did they worry about it later.

      • Winddrinker

        CAH, sounds like you are telling us just what we suspected about many black folks. They are uninformed, blithering idiots and like any other idiots have no business voting unless it is for the next Miss Black America…

        You said it, not me..

        BTW, another of your comments went something like this, “…they are making the best of a bad situation, in this country.”

        WELL THEN, my suggestion is that these idiots should not be hanging around in such a country like ours. I am sure your Negro friends could find a country that would pay all their bills, give them free medical care, free housing, food stamps,free education, pay them to reproduce, and support all their resulting kids. Oh, and lest we not forget that they need to find a country that will put-up with all their B.S., their acting out, their rioting, their gangs, and all their whinning….without throwing them in jail.

        Could you just hurry it up a little, we taxpayers are running out of money.

      • Kate8

        Winddrinker – I understand the point you are making, but in all fairness, it’s the democrats who’ve instilled this sense of helplessness and entitlement in the black population here. They’ve been told from the time the democrats hijacked their votes that they can’t do anything on their own, that they are hopeless without the democrat party to secure benefits for them…affirmative action, etc… and that the Republicans (you know, those evil racists) will keep them in poverty and make them starve.

        This is a worse form of slavery than they had on the plantation. At least there they were able to work for a living, and were, in fact, quite capable of doing so.

        Had they stuck with the Republicans, (had MLK Sr. not sold them out to the democrats), they just might be more prosperous and integrated in our society today.

        Maybe MLK Jr. understood this, and maybe that’s why they took him out.

    • The Resolute Voice

      I hate to break it to you, but a lot of non-white folks were killed that day as well. Does everything have to be a race story these days? How about a “human” story for a change?

    • john

      ….you think sir, that there were no black in that building? what an ASS!!

    • mary beardslee

      The story is Northwoods-when Kennedy was pres. Pentagon went to him wanting to blow up 2 navy ships (with men on board) and a few buidlings in Miami and say it was Cuba-look it up on line came out under infromation act.Do you not remember Cheney was down in White house bunker telling Norad to stand down. While Bushbot was at Booker elemantary school in Sarasota Fl. reading Pet Goat upside down when given the news he already knew.The minute this happened many of us were on our phones-”-Inside Job”Then we go to Iraq because many Americans fell for that story line hook and sinker. It does not matter-repubs or democraps they are all one-taking away our rights using terrorism as their excuse. The terrorists are our goverment. Black and White.

      • churchoffaith

        THANK YOU MARY. I’VE BEEN READING SOME OF THE COMMMENTS AND IT’S VERY SAD TO THINK THAT EVEN WHEN THE PROOF IS RIGHT IN OUR FACES THERE ARE JUST SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN AND RAISED IDIOTS. THE PROOF IS HERE!! FOR THE LAST 60 OR SO YEARS NEEDLESS WARS HAVE BEEN STARTED BY AMERICA ON A MOUTAIN OF LIES. ALL IT TAKES IS A BUNCH OF IDIOTS TO HEAR THE LIES AND IT’S ALL SHE WROTE. I’VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE FOR YEARS ABOUT 911 THRUTH. THESE PEOPLE DIDN’T JUST ACCEPT THE MEDIA AND NEWS PAPER STORIES; THEY RESEARCHED AND CHALLENGED EVERY WORD AND EVERY EXCUSE THAT WAS UTTERED IN THE MEDIA ABOUT 911. THEY DID THEIR RESEARCH AND THORUOGHLY INVESTIGATED THE 911 REPORTS. IT DIDN’T MAKE SENSE TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE COMMOM SENSE. BOTTOM LINE IS; MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE COMMON SENSE. THEY BELIEVE WHATEVER IS HANDED TO THEM BECAUSE IT’S EASIER THAN USING THIER BRAIN TO JUST THINK.

    • david

      Obama could have got us out of the middle east in 2008. Does that make it a black folks story?

    • http://none Charlie

      Horton,,, Honk on Horton ,,, do you mean to tell Me ? you’re not a “honkey” ? Hey! you maybe just the Guy we need to expose the “Treason” of 911,,,since the guy in the WH is also not a honkey … Give it some thought…
      Here’s some visual facts , the twin towers and bldg’ 7 were “demolished” by demolition “EXperts”… The 2 look a like airplanes ,built by gobmint contractors , were drones , loaded with fuel and explosives to disintegrate and disembowel on impact … Now the ,if, and buts and what for ? can be explained by most anyone with Political ,Aviation and Military experience …
      Was 911 an INSIDE controlled event ??? yes, inside USA , Canada, Israel … How do We know the above ? because of Logic ,visual evidence , inside contacts , inside The Bible…
      Now ,IF, Obama exposed these 50 to 100 ,911 Criminals ,that are some where freely spending the money the DAA’s paid them ,,,then Obama would get reelected for sure …
      During the mean time don’t hold your breath ,,,but,,,
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • Mike G

        Charlie, when you know nothing about exolosives I think you should keep your mouth shut about a controlled explosion, I am a Korean Vet. USMC, my job description was “Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician (EOD) my MOS 2336…Do you know what C3, c4. tetryl tetryltol, PETN, torpex, lead azide , murcury fulminate,is ?????I’m surprised that after over 60 years I can remember some of their names, thet are all explosives, with the exception of torpex, I have handled or used all of them , so I consider myself an expert compared to you.. I would suggest to you to contact a demolition company that does controlled explosions and ask how many man hours would be needed to set this all up, plus how many pounds of explosives would be needed, blasting caps , detonating corn, and wiring to do this task. And in the meantime no one would take notice of all this strange equipent going into both buildings, and ithey used plastic exolosive such as c3, that no one would be curious about the strange odor

      • http://none Charlie

        Mike G,,, Well ,,,how about that ? another hero jar head,,,just how old are you sonny? Did I say I was an expert at anything ? and just what is an expert? It reads as you may be knowledgeable of a few Hi tech, Hi speed explosives … How many airplane have you flown, solo or as cp ? how many helicopter can you fly? What do you know about JFK, jr’s airplane crash? what kind of explosive did “They” use to blow the tail off with ? Clue, any
        jar head jerk knows about c-4… So? what’s your point ? did We step on your ego and you
        are venting some grunt technology for some ego stroking by some of us “other” experts…
        Go ahead , I’m listening or reading in this case… But during the mean time ,IF, you have as many years staying healthy and alive as I have ,,,then,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • grannymae1

        Charlie You are sick, sick, sick ! Mike , you know what you are talking about but we are wasting our breath on most of these people. They will believe what they want to believe. And Charlie You think JFK jr. was murdered? You are real sick !

    • http://yahoo Maynard

      Brigadier General Montague Winfield is black. Condoleezza Rice is black. Barry Jennings is black. April Gallop is black. Skin color has nothing to do with it but all four are important personages. The first two contributed to the cover-up. The second two have inadvertently and intentionally tried to expose it, respectively. We know Condi lied as she said “noone had ever dreamed such a thing as suicide hijackers, when in fact one of the numerous secret War Games on 9/11 had just exactly that scenario. April Gallop was urged to come to work before dropping off her tiny baby at his day care. Exactly when she tried to start up her computer, there was a huge explosion. Despite her injuries, she and her injured baby in her arms, escaped through the small hole in the Pentagon. She saw no plane and no passengers. She did smell smoke as given off by explosives. She has been punished for attempting to sue the government for her and her baby’s injuries.
      Winfield gave up his watch command at 8:30 am to Captain Charles Leidig who had never before assumed the duties of overseeing operations for all necessary communications as Watch Commander ofthe National Military Command Center. It was an odd time for Winfield to relinquish the post, just after Fl 11 had already hit the North Tower of The WTC. Leidig may have done his best, but it was not good enough to get jets scrambled from nearby stations. Winfield returned to his post at 10:30. Apparently noone has ever bothered to ask him what he was doing for the two fateful hours when over 3000 died in NY and Washington. It must have been something good, however, as Bush raised his rank two two-star Major General. And Captain Leidig was promoted all the way up to 2-star Navy Admiral. A pretty good pay-off for two hours with ineffective results.

    • Old Henry
    • Attaboyslim

      “A white folks story”? Are you serious? I’ve got to sat that this comment is so irrelevant that ignoring it is the most serious thing to do but as a white man, I feel compelled to make a statement. Sir, I have lived my life, embarrassed by the actions of many whites against blacks throughout history but your comment reveals the truth that a racist can be any color. I loathe racist bigotry and it is from comments like yours that my hatred of that aspect of human nature boils. Racist persons should never be tolerated and a racist of color “must” be included in this list. You should feel shame for making such an embarrassing statement and it is from people, like yourself, that racism has continued to be a part of our society. “Seek the truth and the truth will set you free”.

      • Lynnette

        Attaboyslim….do a search on Christopher’s full name and when you get to Facebook, tell me please what you find.

      • http://none Charlie

        Attaboyslim,,, For you info , God / King Jesus created the “Races”, see that at Genesis 11
        these races were created by “Curses” from God / King Jesus , the people at the tower of Babel were doing their own thing and rejecting God, so their program was rearranged to accomplish His program as called out in The Bible … Anyone that is blessed by God is always superior to others that are “Cursed” by God… But all creations should be treated in accordance with God’s Will ,Laws and Commandments …
        So those that do not know The Bible are going to have problems as most do … So,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

    • http://yahoo gator

      a white folks story? what the hell is that? what are you, arabic?

      • Lynnette

        Gator….He’s a pink faced white boy jerking your chain.

    • gunner689AI

      Oh, and you’re an AFRICAN american. I guess those blacks who died that day were just collateral damage. you punk; take BO and move to Kenya. We’ll see how long who can live in a mud hut.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “gunner689Al,”

        I DO NOT LIKE THE MONIKER, “African-American.” BECAUSE OF MY INTEREST IN INTELLECTUALISM, I PREFER, “Negro.”

      • Deerinwater

        Good Mr. Horton, because Negro works for me as well. If Negro’s are African Americans then I’m German American while I’ve never be to Germany.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Deerinwater,”

        SIR, THANKS FOR TELLING ME ABOUT YOUR GERMAN HERITAGE. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE SYMBOLISM BETWEEN YOUR MONIKER AND GERMANY. “Deerinwater” BRINGS “Alps” TO MIND.

      • Deerinwater

        hmm? wonderful ! I guess ? Deerinwater is a native American name , I am Comanche/German, a descendant of Cynthia Ann Parker and Herr Von Vinlkstien., call me anything, just call me to dinner.

        Where something comes from is not important, either you see the quality, value and usefulness or you don’t.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        I HEAR YA, “Deerinwater.”

    • http://yahoo Maynard

      Obama has gone along with they myth that Osama did it. Osama denied and condemned 9/11 from the beginning. The video “found” in Afghanistan of him bragging about 9/11 is fake. Al Qaida is an Arabic word meaning “toilet.” Do you think any self-respecting group would name themselves that. Just as the Dem vs. Reps. concept of the world is simplistic, so is the black-white dichotomy. The General that gave up his command for two hours during the WTC attacks,Montague Winfield was black. He got raised to a two-star major general. Condoleezza White got promoted to Secretary of State she did such a great job of lying. She’s black. April Gallop and her baby were injured and got out through the hole in the Pentagon where she saw no evidence of a plane. She too is black. Then we have Barry Jennings a witness to explosions inside Building Seven where he was trapped for several hours before being rescued. He died under mysterious circumstances at age 53 but his interview made right after rescue survives to this day.
      As to Thor’s reasoning that planes took down the WTC. Building Seven was not hit by a plane and videos of it show no serious damage. It was much farther away from the North and South Towers but its damage came from some small fires and the explosions Barry Jennings witnessed. The small fires would have done asymmetric damage and the 42 story building would have fallen over. The videos show it going straight down and it was close to the speed of gravity. That is not going to happen without controlled demolition. Both Brian Jennings and Dan Rather, news anchors, reported it looked just like that. The company that quickly cleared up the debris both at the WTC and at the earlier Oklahoma City Bombings: Controlled Demolition.
      Thor, the difference between a ship going down and a building is that a ship fills up with water when pierced by a torpedo or a plane. That water makes it sink. A plane into a skyscraper may cause fires, but the building does not fill up with water. Many skyscrapers have been burning for hours and the steel structure remains. That is because steels’ melting point is over twice as high as the hydrocarbon fires (such as from jet fuel or natural gas ). That’s why your pans do not melt on the gas stove. The Empire State Building was accidentally hit by a bomber in 1945. It burned but did not come near collapse.

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Maynard: How many people do you think were involved in the planning and execution of this ‘conspiracy’? Why have they all remained silent? Isn’t it likely that at least one of them would have had a little too much alcohol and told a buddy, a wife, or a girlfriend?

      • Maynard

        Mike R. It’s an odd thing about human nature. Its called reward or punoshment. If you get to be an Admiral or a Two Star Major General vs. jail time, as happened to Winfield and Leitig, which would you take? If you get to be a war time president, you and your dad mayke huge amounts of money for no-bid war contracts from dad’s investments in the Carlyle Group vs. big time jail time and a reputation ranking right up there with Hitler if the truth becomes well known which would you do: talk or take the money and shut up? Barry Jennings talked and he died of mysterious circumstances at age 53. Bruce Ivins blamed for the anthrax attacks “committed suicide” before even being accused. He was cremated without autopsy. Evidence of how he died – you have to take the government’s word for it true or not. The ashes tell no tales. Family members of the victims were offered money. You can take it if you sign a paper to shut up. Otherwise you get nothing. What would you do?
        In the case of the JFK assassination E. Howard Hunt fessed up when he was on his death bed. Very few paid attention. Did you? His wife was carrying hush money while on a plane to Midway Airport. The plane exploded just before landing. FBI agents were there before the rescue personnel. The money never located.
        People in the know, like Barbara Honegger, an adviser to President Reagan has been trying to explain about the Secret War Games, the fact that White House insiders were secretly taking anti-anthrax antibiotics starting THREE WEEKS BEFORE the first known anthrax threat. People have been programmed not to or are too busy to pay attention.Even though my sister-in-law immediately had her suspicions about the government it was several years later, when I heard for the first time how Building Seven fell at almost the speed of gravity, straight down while turning into fragments and dust,that I started looking into it.
        As Bob Livingston wrote the Securities and Exchange Commission was in Building Seven and many cases of fraud were being investigated. Evidence destroyed. Remember Enron? I was in California when their “rolling blackouts” were scaring customers that their electricity was running out. Proved to be a lie to extract higher rates. Billions of extra profit. Case disappeared with Building Seven. Even the government officials paid to make up cover-up stories could not figure out what to say about Building Seven. Like Bob Livingston said, the lease holder Silverstein said on PBS that the building was pulled. He got over $4 billion for his insurance pay out. The WTC towers were full of that asbestos which by law was going to have to be removed at the cost of billions. Buildings explode no more asbestos problem.
        Huge huge steel girders hurled at such force they traveled hundreds of feet. Some penetrated nearby skyscrapers sticking out like porcupine quills from a dog’s snout. That does not happen from a pancake collapse.
        What about the tiny human bone fragments DNA identified as workers in the WTC? Some were found on top of the Deutsche Bank Building in 2008. The bank is over three hundred feet away and the jet had already passed by it before it hit the tower. So how do you imagine they got there? Only one thing that can fracture and blow bones (the flesh had disappeared from the intervening years of weather and insects) that far: explosions.
        If you look at the WTC buildings as they fell you can see squibs of gases blowing out at REGULAR intervals going all around descending in synchronized fashion. Firemen who survived said they heard the detonating explosions going pop pop, pop all the way around. They are still on videotape telling us about it. Take a look. Since they have been told to shut up or lose their jobs or maybe more. Wouldn’t most of us shut up?
        There was a firefighter who was present when the black box recorders were found. The government has claimed they were never found. He wrote a self-published book describing it. Chances are good we will never see a copy of that book, although thanks to the Internet we can look it up. I think I will do that right after this long answer.
        So, their dual-citizen US-Israeli, Bush insider, co-author with Condolleeza Rice, executive director Philip Zelikow leaves it out of the investigation and report. They spent less time and money on the “Investigation” than the Monic Lewinsky scandal. After all they wanted us know the bad about Clinton but not the bad about Bush. That would have interfered with their increase of opium poppy production in Afghanistan and their war-profiteering and their snapping up of Iraq’s state owned oil companies.
        Mike G. you sound like you know a lot about military explosives and such. Have you heard about thermate and thermite? That can burn a hole in steel beams quick as a wink, or at least a good belch. There are tapes of it burning right through an engine block on the internet. Did you see the photos of firemen standing in front of smoldering debris with huge columns behind them with the rehardened steel on them like candle wax after you’ve been burning it and let it go out? Did you see how they were at an angle. This is so they make the building “walk” in that direction. If you were just removing the beams they would have cut them straight across to save time and money and effort. Straight around is a shorter distance
        Did you hear about how hot the rubble pile was for weeks after? It was still hotter than hydrocarbon fires ever get at their max. Why? Because thermate in the chemicals used in the reaction have their own oxygen and do not need it from the air.
        Did you hear how the Brigham Young professor got forced into retirement (Steve Jones) because he wouldn’t stop writing peer reviewed scientific papers about the thermate. And about how little tiny molten metal spheres were found in the dust all over Manhatten. They were moten iron or steel from the girders.
        Did you hear how Giulliani had all the metal quickly packed up and sent to China before the crime scene had even been thoroughly analyzed. He also bought the site where the first anthrax victim contracted the disease in Boca Raton, FL. That victim’s claim to notoriety. As a photo publisher he had published a photo of Jenna Bush, drunk and
        sitting on another girl’s lap. Who do you think might have been awful angry about that picture? Bruce Ivins the scapegoat? No. There is no known connection whatsoever
        Got more questions. I will help you research them. Then let’s get others to do the same.
        .

      • http://gravatar.com/124andmore MikeR

        Maynard: Very well done.

    • Maynard

      Thor. Your analogy of ships in water is totally irrelevant to skyscrapers on land. The Empire State Building was hit by a bomber in 1945. It is still standing. A hole in a ship allows water to go in. A hole in a skyscraper allows air to go in. Here is a list of evidence that the WTC Towers fell from explosions and controlled demolition.
      First, Building Seven was NOT hit by a plane. Videos of it going down show a symettrical collapse at near the speed of gravity, just as in controlled demolition, not as in a structural collapse.
      Hydrocarbon fires in a an open environment for short duration (They were basically out in less than twenty minutes) do NOT get hot enough to melt steel. The Windsor Building in Madrid burned for many hours and the steel structure remained standing.
      Third, videos, eye-witnesses including first responders, and the extreme heat in the debris pile all indicated explosives. The videos show squibs at regular intervals proceeding in a descending synchronised pattern. They show concrete pulverized in mid-air not from impact, they show cast off steel beams and girders thrown violently over five hundred feet some of which then protruded from surrounding structures like porcupine quills from a hounddogs snout, and photos of fire fighters standing in front of huge stumps of columns cut on the diagonal as is done to get the building to “walk” as it enhances collapse. Firemen are on tape as seeing and hearing explosions going pow, pow, pow all the way around. For months the debris pile emitted higher heat than hydrocarbon ever gets from beneath the debris pile. A normally induced fire would go out from lack of oxygen. This heat was because the chemical reaction thermate is made up, of carries its own source of oxygen.
      Kroll Associates, the CIA of Wall Street, was in charge of security. Through the elevator shafts and whole vacated floors, they could install the destructive devices. Furthermore, Scott Forbes reported that there were workmen coming and going the weekend before 9/11. Security cameras off doors unliked. There was a power down and they were supposed to be doing cable upgrades. He notified the authorities repeatedly but was ignored.
      The bomb-sniffing dogs details were abruptly removed on the Thursday before 9/11.
      Jim Pierce, the president’s cousin and Larry Silverstein and his two adult children all worked at the WTC. None of them showed up for work that day.
      Jeb Bush signed martial law for Florida the Friday before 9/11.
      As Bob Livingston pointed out the day after Rumsfeld announced $2,3 missing at the Pentagon where does the jet allegedly hit? Right where the accountants and records were.
      Thor, you seem to know a lot about war. Do you believe the Gulf of Tonkin incident in Vietnam was real or a false flag?

    • Feargy852

      In response to Thors comments !! You can list off all the type of boats you choose however regardless of what a ship is constructed of one thing is for certain, it cannot float with a huge hole in its hull. On the other hand the twin towers were designed to withstand multiple hits from aircraft. Also bringing all the necessary armaments into the building was an easy thing to achieve !! Ask yourself what security firm had the security contract on the twin towers ? It was an ISRAELI company. The most important factor/point you fail to understand is that skyscrapers do not fall in the manner that the twin towers fell under normal circumstances i.e buildings cannot free fall naturally, it is not possible under the laws of physics !! Any school kid doing elementary science can tell you that !!

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