And a robber knowing that people inside will be carrying a gun will certainly deture any crime!

I not only agree but insist that every adult should be required to own a gun and encouraged to carry it (without a CCL) when outside their home.

The reason that dueling was made illegal was because many of Louisiana’s politicians were challenged – and LA has always had crooked politics. The politicians banned dueling to prevent being challenged.

We might also get something accomplished in the House and Senate.

“MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS” Well, I can’t agree with the absurdity of bringing back dueling. Too much of what is the problem in our country is that too many people simply don’t want to get involved in the world in which they live. “That’s not MY problem so let someone else like the government take care of it.” I grew up in a small Texas town in the 60′s and 70′s and let me tell you that most of the time when a kid did something within the town boundries, that kid’s parents were getting a call from the one offended or from a third party who wanted to see the wrong righted. And guess what, the parents of the bad kid thanked the caller and then took care of the situation. Seldom did anyone sue anyone else for a real or perceived wrong or tell the caller to f-off and mind their own business. In a way, it was understood that we were all together in this thing called life. We demanded a higher level of responsibility from one another than we do now. Today, almost anything goes. That is until it is so heinious that it can’t be ignored or swept under the rug.

Careful with the advice on a silencer. I get the point but a .38 would likely be a revolver. The breech of a revolver is not locked up like a single shot or a semi-auto, both of which can be fitted with a silencer.

You can fit a silencer or more accurately a suppressor to a revolver but it won’t do any good because of the cylinder gap.

Old Henry:

And the government is doing its darnedest to insure that few people do learn that the jury has that power. Further, a jury is NOT required to give a sentence that the judge says they must do – they can give any sentence they want. A jury in AR years ago sentenced a man who had shot his wife to a 1 day suspended sentence for murder because she deserved to be shot. (And she did. I knew her.) The judge and prosecutor had a fit but there was nothing they could do since the “criminal” didnt’ appeal the verdict.

45:

That is GOOD information, and a great story.

However, even with a 1 day suspended sentence will he not still have a murder conviction on his record?

Yes, he will have the conviction on record. He pleaded guilty to it. All the trial was based on the sentence, not on whether he was guilty or not.

Check out fija.org if you want to know how juries are REALLY supposed to decide cases. It’s NOTHING like the directions/instructions the judges order you to obey.
In the jury room, YOU are GOD ! You have more power than the judge (would want you to believe or even know).

That’s why they call it concealed

I think it will be very quiet and smoky from all the spent residue in the air.

I am reminded of certain places I’ve lived in Asia, where apartments and hotels are staffed by persons who take too much interest in your comings and goings. I once received a letter from my sister in the States that had only my name and country on the envelope. She had accidentally mailed it before entering my street address, which was in Chinese and which she needed to transcribe from a letter I had sent her. Letters and packages were always taped, indicating that someone had opened them on their way to or from me. No doubt, any time I took a taxi, my travels were reported to some authority or other. I keep hearing Obama’s voice saying, “There’s a lot we can learn from China,” and I shudder to think of what he means by that.

AMEN

Yes, most robbers are cowards and would not / will not put themselves where they will be very much out numbered, which would be out-gunned.

There are many other banks who have made the choice go be gunless and will be easier “targets”.

About two years ago at Conroe – north of Houston – two men came in to rob the bank. There was a shootout and one was killed. The survivor was upset – it was his son who was killed. He insisted the guards shouldn’t have been shooting since “he was only teaching his son the family business”.

45:

I’m going to be a racist here and stir things up with this question. What, ah, ethnicity were the robbers?

Old:

Black

He should take it up with his union rep. !

You make a good point. While I do not own any guns right now (that is going to change very, very soon) I have had quite a bit of experience with them. I was always an excellent marksman doing my early years. At close range I can make a 22 work just as well as a 45. If you hit someone in the eye or the thorax the size of the bullet doesn’t make much difference. I used to shoot running squirrels and rabbits with my 22. I have even killed quail with it (I couldn’t afford shotgun shells). I plan to buy a 12 guage and a couple of 380 automatics in a day or two. I can’t carry a cop either, and I’ll be dead if I wait for one.

Tom, you almost have it with “criminals aren’t smart, but they aren’t stupid, either.” Well, some are really, really stupid, but I’m not commenting about that. Criminals are lazy and cowardly. Laziness is why they rob instead of work, and cowardly is why they choose old people, stove up people, and businesses with the “victims here” stickers on the doors.

Like the saying goes jim: “I carry a 45 because a cop is too heavy”.

John Lott, author of “More Guns, Less Crime”, said that that theater was one of four close to the shooter’s home. It was the only one with a no guns allowed policy. Maybe every other theater would have had some concealed carry people present.

You are right about the police, Jim. Many have tried to sell me alarm systems but the only thing they do is let someone know I’ve been burglarized and the burglars are long gone. I’ve had the experience. Police can’t sit outside every home just in case. They respond as fast as they can (usually) but burglars, in particular, are very fast at what they do.

Average response time to a 911 call – 23 minutes.
Average resonse time of a .45 – 1200 fps.

A few years ago several local teens took it upon themselves, at the “request” of the local drug pusher who lived next to me, to beak into most of the sheds in our neighborhood and steal everything they could push or carry. Every shed on my block, except the ousher’s and mine were broken into. The reasons mine was not bothered are: I have two very noisy little dogs. I did another neighbor a favor. He was (now deceased) a licensed gun dealer. He had just bought a couple of Russian 7.62 sniper rifles which had never been unpacked and cleaned. I voluteered to help him. At the time the “children” were walking down the street in front of my house, after getting off the school bus, I was sitting on my front porch cleaning one of the rifles, and making a big show of it. The next day I was cleaning one of his shotguns. No break-ins or burgleries. I wonder why. Oh yes, the drug pusher moved.

I see one of the governments useful idiots has shown up.

I’ve heard it said that figures don’t lie, but liars can figure, and Flashy here has proven that beyond a doubt.

Flashy, if you don’t know why this is true, you’ve further proven my point.

Would you care to hear a fact that has been supported by experience in the last thirty years? Probably not, but here it is anyhow:

Concealed carry permit holders have the lowest serious crime rate of any demographic. Lower, even, than US Congress-critters or judges, and far, far lower than police officers.

Indeed, police officers are responsible for the deaths of many more bystanders, percentage-wise as well as total, than are concealed carry citizens, while private citizens account for more dead criminals every year than do the police.

Recently, in NYC, nine innocent bystanders were shot during a shootout between police and a gunman. All nine were shot by the police who were supposed to be protecting them.

It is apparent that New York City would be far safer if the police were disarmed and law-abiding citizens encouraged to carry (and Michael Bloomberg can kiss my ass, too).

The reason for their proven superior performance is that permit holders are the cream of the crop of the population: no criminal records, financially stable, and socially responsible. They also tend to have strongly held beliefs in religions other than Islam, the religion of peace (peace be upon the Prophet Mohammad and his murderous faithful).

So, Flashy, go figure.

Charlie:

I was at a gun range once not long ago to target practice. A policeman in the next lane was doing his yearly qualification. Normally they do it on their own range but that day their range was down. I watched him shoot. He was shooting at a man-sized silloutte target at 7 yards – 21 feet. If it had been at ten yards, he’d have missed half his shots since he barely hit the edges with over half his bullets. And if anyone had been on the other side, they would have been in serious trouble. A friend of mine used ot work in a local bank. Bank robbers came in a couple of years ago while she was there. Their guard – an off duty state trooper – and the robber had a shootout. The robber shot until his gun jammed and he gave up. The trooper – who generally gets about 95% on his field tests – fired 13 times. They were about 20 feet apart. The only shot that hit something was the trooper’s bullet which went through a wall and hit a secretary in the leg. Too many people get excited and can’t shoot straight in such a position and he was one of them. After seeing the one shoot at targets and then knowing how the other shot, I would prefer to stay well away from both the criminal AND the police in such a shootout.

(What was really sad was that after the policeman left who had qualilfied, I stepped to his position and put all my bullets into a 2″ circle. Why couldn’t he have done the same? Perhaps I should go with him to protect HIM!)

“Flash-in-the-Pan” wrote:

100 ears, held up five times. One every 20 years. the last time was 2010. So the next would be due around 2030 if the average stays true.

Flash: you are assuming facts not in evidence.

Get back to us when you can document that this bank was robbed “One every 20 years;” to-wit: (counting back from 2010) in 1990, 1970, 1950, and 1930 (not to mention 1910; since the bank was chartered in 1907: http://www.chappellhillbank.com/).

45:

That police officer probably did not have the advantage of an old gunfighter’s advice.

Well, gee whiz, Flashy! If that bank gets robbed every 20 years on the nose, why they could just not open on the day they were scheduled to be robbed. That way, they’d be safe for the next 20 years. Do you feel foolish yet? You should. “On average” means exactly that: on average. So, a bank could be robbed twice in one week, then not robbed again for another 40 years, and on average it would be robbed every 20 years.
This short lesson in statistics is probably casting pearls before a liberal swine, but you might actually learn something from it. I doubt it, though.

Why not reverse that argument? One school shooting in Colorado which affected around 20 people has caused an outcry and changed the actions of schools across the nation. One chaotic, unfortunate event affected 350 million people.

Guns in the hands of citizens help stop such events.

Hey Flashy, you must be a liberal or very very very stupid.

I like the banks policy, but flashy does have a point. A bank that has only been robbed 5x in 100+ years not be robbed in 2 years does not say much. Would be meaningful if all the robberies were in the last ten years. I would like to see a bank that has been robbed several time in recent history adopt this policy.