and he didn’t make PEACE anywhere, did he?

Well, he ended the Iraq War. Before you say it was on Bush’s timetable, remember McCain wanted that war/occupation to continue essentially forever. Now, McCain and the neocons advising von Mittens have a bunch of new military occupations they want to engage in – Syria, Iran, maybe some fights with the USSR (What if they attack a non-Russian Republic – would they know the difference?)

I VERY strongly disagree. That WAR continues, he simply abandoned it.

I agree that W opened up a can of worms we may never be able to reseal, but how long were we supposed to babysit the country? The Iraq invasion was idiotic. It was idiotic in a way only Harvard Ph.D.s could manage, but even the “horse sense” of W couldn’t sniff it out. It was obvious to me at the time how dumb that invasion was. Cheney was like a used car salesman selling that war – just a latter day McNamara. Totally full of it. So now what? Just keep fighting because we’ve been there so long? That would have been the McCain approach.

If we truly had wanted to establish a democracy there with a Constitution people believed in to the point it would be unthinkable for someone to seize power, we’d have needed to stay at least a full generation (25 years), maybe more. Were we ever prepared to do that? I don’t think so.

Care to back that up with any links, Jeff? I haven’t heard Romney say anything about starting any wars. Most wars during the 20th century were started by democrats. Remember when LBJ told J Edgar Hoover and the Joint Chiefs “make me President and I’ll give you boys the best damn war you’ve ever seen.”

Dear Sara:

Romney has signaled a return to belligerence in the conduct of foreign policy. He has emphasized his eagerness to go to war with Iran. His foreign policy team is made up of W era neocons. John McCain in his RNC speech is urging we get into the fight in Syria and Iran, and he said Romney agrees with him. Most of all, when has Romney shown any political courage? Will he have the balls to say “no” to his generals, knowing they might leak his “failures” to Rush or some other right wing moron?

Speaking of links, here’s one showing the real sources of the deficit, and it’s not because of decisions by our current President. Sorry, Sara it’s strictly reality-based.

http://reality-based-world.org/2011/02/16/sources-of-the-us-budget-deficit-with-data/

A Budget is simply a Plan where you allocate what you think you will spend. There is no relation to a budget and what you actually do spend, as far as our government is concerned, If there were we would not have a deficit. A Budget is a planning tool, it isn’t reality. The issue is that if you want to PLAN a recovery, you have to know what your assets are, where they need to go, and what you can SAFELY cut away. The BUDGET is the rough plan and the YEAR will see if it gets stuck to, or just wastes paper.

The REAL challenge is to SAY NO to the money waste. Congress and administrations have always completely forgotten about the budgets they submitted, and just Vote to spend on EVERYTHING, as long as they get votes.

Changing the subject again, eh Jeffyboy? I asked for a link of Romney planning a war, not a deficits link. You must have taken lessons from Harry Reid.

Did you hear his speech? He’s not only war mongering about Iran but Russia as well. Plus, John McCain, who spoke for him at the Convention, advocates military action in Syria where we have no relationships. Great, more neocon occupations in the middle east.

Oh, and yes, Obama is paying me the same as Fox pays you. Are you a total idiot or do you just pretend on this blog?

Still didn’t answer the question, so I guess you have something to hide.

Well said…. notGalt.

I love it too!

Don’t forget to give Al Gore credit for inventing the internet and global warming.

The internet was not built nor funded by the government. Parts of the technology came from people who might have been paid by the government. But it is still US. WE built it. We (private enterprise) took a concept from a university and seeing the economic value thereof put huge sums of our own money (what little we had left after taxes) into multiple private industries to make the technology and the actual parts that are the Internet. We would have done it with or without the incidental assistance of people being paid by government.

In fact even arpanet was run over equipment built by PRIVATE enterprise and sold to the government.

Vicki, you’re a joke. You won’t even admit the Government has a role to play in R&D. How about in bombing brown people? That I’m sure you can get behind.

Since governments create markets, provide for the enforcement of contracts, with courts, police etc. and armies to defend it all……..the intrepid entrepreneur goes nowhere fast….with out it.

Without government there is no MONEY period. ( among other things )

While it is nice to cite “regulations”…….you might want to be specific about which ones you are actually referring to……….with the added reality check that many of these “regulations” were instigated by businesses who could afford them, to drive the businesses who couldn’t, OUT OF BUSINESS!

Corrupting government is a business in itself……..and it is so far beyond anything that has ever existed before……..that to say the government is the problem is simply misdirection…..the two, government and those who corrupt it are indistinguishable from each other……….so who benefits if “government” is isolated as the “problem”?

If anyone’s credibility should be questioned, it is those who are attempting to make precisely that claim!!!!! ( anyone got any idea’s as to who these people might be? )

Or you could read THIS and save yourself all the b.s.

Enter Economics Unmasked:The Amazon Book Description

The economic system under which we live not only forces the great majority of humankind to live their lives in indignity and poverty; it also threatens all forms of life – indeed life itself. Economics Unmasked presents a cogent critique of the dominant economic system in order to help transform our society into one in which all forms of life will be protected. The first part of this book is devoted to showing that the theoretical constructions that have been selected, work mainly to bring about injustice. The second part is concerned with what should be the foundations of a new economics where justice, human dignity, compassion and reverence for life must be the guiding values.

“They identify what they consider to be the foundations of a new economics, which are articulations of the very core of our work here at nef:

The economy should serve the people, not the people the economy;

Development is about people, not objects;

Growth is not the same as development, and development does not necessarily require growth;

No economy is possible in the absence of eco-system services;

The economy is a sub-system of a larger and finite system, the biosphere, hence permanent growth is impossible.” Nic Marks

P.S. You are also spared the rather idiotic premise of having to imagine you are
stranded on a desert isle and s*ck at fishing……and after that, it just gets worse.

It’s like a guy who takes a girl to dinner with money given to him by his parents, and then without any prior notice tells the girl after dinner that she owes him sex.

Where as you would tell the truth and tell her she really owed your parents sex?

Personally, my position is to accept gender equality, let them pay, and then play hard to get……… before reluctantly giving in………!

Maryland, you say government wouldn’t give anyone a nickel if it had to come out of their own pocket.

So, uh, where do you propose they get operating cash and revenue from to build that infrastructure?

KQJM says:
“So, uh, where do you propose they get operating cash and revenue from to build that infrastructure?”

What we propose is that government get out of the way and we will build that infrastructure ourselves. Using our money invested freely between ourselves instead of having our money taken at gunpoint by government agents to invest in wasteful infrastructure (Anyone here heard of Solyndra? ) that is so typical of government.

Oh, I see. The government never fails or causes a failure then. Hummm…

No…it’s more like stupid premise = stupid conclusion.

But just for fun, since this is all based on twisting meaning……

Go build a business in the middle of Death Valley…….at least 25 miles from any road, which will eliminate any possible claim that government made any contribution to whatever
the end product is………..

I hear Goldman Sachs is really big on stuff like this, so all you need is a “good idea”….
and if they kinda look at you funny, just say:

If you build it they will come!

A gift that will keep on giving for DavidH. ( and prevent taking which may stop the unnecessary whining and complaining? ) see caveat*

http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

*APPLIED Knowledge is power.

“To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and the HANG, separately.)

The chances you take are entirely your responsibility. The fact remains you are a part – even if just a tiny part – of a large nation and all of the people within that nation are inter-dependent. You are not alone living on an island in the middle of the Pacific. The actions of one and all effect everyone else to greater and lesser degrees. Also, as human beings living in a social setting as opposed to living in the jungle we are all part of a social compact. The reason we are against killing off deformed babies and against partial birth abortions is because in our hearts we know that there are times that the weak must be protected. This is what makes us different from other species in the animal kingdom. The Founding Fathers were wise to say – in the Constitution – that their goal was to “…promote the general welfare…”. That’s what “a more perfect union” was to them. The Founding Fathers saw the need for the colonists to act together to ensure “the blessings of liberty” not only for themselves but for “our posterity”. You see, Dave, what we have today be it a business, be it a profession, etc is based on the efforts of other people going right back to the Founding Fathers themselves. The reason I enjoy contributing to society with my tax dollars is that I know that money goes in to developing the nation that protects and serves me in more ways than you can even begin to say. Some kid in elementary school today will be my doctor in 25 years, someone training to be a police officer today may rescue me from a car crash some day. A first responder who you probably think should be fired will some day save you or a family member etc., etc., etc. The list is simply endless. The government is not some alien group. Government is us. It is our fellow citizens doing their best as they see it and hopefully they want to “form a more perfect union” given the circumstances of any given age.

R.Fine:

A fine post. Well thought out and well-stated. But DaveH just knows you’re just after his MONEY.

R. Fine and Jeff: I’m glad you guys enjoy paying taxes, but your idea of what government is–”Government is us”–is a bit naive. This article by Jim Powell of the CATO Institute does a much better job of describing what government is:

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/you-didnt-build-oh-mr-obama-you-cant-be-serious

Oh, and those teachers, police, firemen, and first responders all thank you for enjoying to pay your taxes as well, because when they retire, your taxes will be funding their retirements while you and your buddies are working as greeters at Walmart well into your seventies because you couldn’t afford to retire. (Assuming you work in the private sector, that is. If you’re a government employee, then of course, you’ll be getting premium retirement benefits while the rest of us don’t get to retire.)

It’s not all bad……..consider:

1.) despite all the whining regarding “regulations” and the enforcement of them…..all this stuff costs MONEY……the simple fact of the matter is, despite the size of the budget, most of the agencies do not provide effective regulation…..for anything, so standard practice is to “ignore” those regulations……..v. the odds of “getting caught”…….and because “prosecution” also costs MONEY, a deal can be reached. ( and if you are really enterprising and understand this going in……..you hide your tracks and disappear )

2.) Regarding immigration……the illegals are leaving……..unemployment is not limited to
the legal labor force.

3.) With that two year temporary work status…….the effect is having a whole bunch of illegals turn themselves in………..for a promise, with no guarantee……..and a source of future cannon fodder to maintain the EMPIRE……..personally, if I were one of them, I give
that some real serious thought before jumping in…….but the cost of doing this was a signature on a piece of paper. ( and we can’t afford to deport them, so only those engaged in criminal activity have priority status…… )

Amen!, my brother. Finally someone is calling this for what it really is.

When he said “you didn’t build it”….. I took him to mean things like the convention center in Tampa (where the RNC was held) that was largely built by with Federal Grant monies. No, it wasn’t literally physically built by government, but by laborers hired with the predominantly Federal funds used for it’s construction. Key words — Federal Funds were used to build it (62%)

The police and security for these events are are paid through tax dollars, and the city upgrades to accommodate the influx of people were also paid through city tax dollars. As far as Olympians go, Yes, the actual effort of the individual wins the events, but the roads they travel on to training centers, and maybe even some of the training centers themselves, the security surrounding these events, transportation to and from them, are made possible through government funds.

I don’t see it as him taking credit for the personal effort or achievements of others, or trying to negate those things. I understood it as an effort to bring to light how difficult those achievements would be without the things government provides that we take for granted.

Let me ask you, is it a bad thing to be occasionally be reminded of the positive benefits that government provides, or do you believe the focus should be only on the negative aspects?

And if the latter, ouldn’t that be a bit like focusing on all those Olympic tryouts who don’t make it, focusing on the Olympians who die in the effort, who are injured, and saying “lets do away with the Olympics” because of it?

Wouldn’t it be better to say “yes, government does facilitate much of our business opportunities, but let me show you where it impedes it also?”

KQJM says — “Let me ask you, is it a bad thing to be occasionally be reminded of the positive benefits that government provides, or do you believe the focus should be only on the negative aspects?”.
What does Government provide us that can’t be purchased privately and voluntarily with our own money, KQJM?

DaveH: Really, you are going to provide society’s infrastructures with your own money? You are going to pay city engineers and staff out of your own money? You are going to run the military out of your own money? You are going to provide a court system to mediate the conflicts and differences between individuals. You are going to hire your own fireman and police force? That’s to name a few benefits. So each individual in major metropolitan areas is going to buy all those services on his minimum wage job? Or should he become a criminal, the only avenue left to secure the wages to purchase his lifestyle. You are going to provide enough funds to buy up land, turn it into national parks, preserved for future generations? And provide the fund to run and staff them. You are going to provide educational assistance for those wanting to enter the science fields, the health fields, or are you going to take your money, fly overseas, and purchase your services there. You are going to eliminate the CDC and fund it yourself, or “hope” the for profit sector will assume it’s functions, track epidemics. What research is done in our Universities using federal grant monies from DOD, DOE, CDC, etc…. you will now pick up the tab (don’t worry about that last one…. foreign investors are already doing it for you. Sadly, THEY, not YOU, or the U.S. Public, owns the results of that research).

You really believe that privatizing everything to “for profit” industries, that turning every societal good into a “commodity” for purchase and resale, is the way to go?

KQJM says — “Really, you are going to provide society’s infrastructures with your own money? You are going to pay city engineers and staff out of your own money? You are going to run the military out of your own money?”.
In the early days of our country, the businesses built the roads, canals, and bridges so their customers could reach them. And I’d bet you that they did it a lot more efficiently and cheaply than is done by bureaucrats and politicians who have nothing to lose when they don’t.
Read this and learn something, KQJM:
http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=106
As far as the military goes, why should I pay for them to campaign around the world, pissing people off, thus making us more enemies. And a standing army is Unconstitutional anyway. Read the Constitution, KQJM, Article I, Section 8.

WE All already pay for those things and MUCH more than we want to.

More:
http://mises.org/journals/scholar/internal.pdf

KQJM says — “You are going to provide a court system to mediate the conflicts and differences between individuals. You are going to hire your own fireman and police force?”.
Actually people who know the costs, delays, and random judgements that come from our Government Court systems are already signing up for binding arbitration:
http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2005/07/25/focus7.html
And people already commonly contract with Private Security Services. Private Fire Protection wouldn’t be any more difficult.
And you can bet that the Private Services would be a lot more polite to their customers than the Monopoly Government providers are.

Those who would like to explore the answers to KQJM’s questions more thoroughly can read this:
http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf

KQJM says — “…..You are going to run the military out of your own money?”.

Well as it happens. Yes. It is OUR money that is used to create and maintain the standing army that our founders strongly disapproved of.

Now what the founders intended is for WE to be that army and yes WE were to bring our own weapons to muster. Study the militia concept circa 18th century and remember that those rag tag farmers took down the mightiest military power in their world.

Skipping over that continental army thing? As a military unit, militia’s do not have much of a reputation for reliability……..or military prowess and this fairly consistent through out our history…….so much so that the phrase “well regulated militia” was more wishful thinking than descriptive. There is one benefit though, they tend not to be willing to blindly follow orders…….so that when the attempt was made to use them as strike breakers….they often refused to comply…….pissing those capitalists off and requiring the use of regular troops.

DaveH: Regarding the Free Market link, I happen to disagree with it’s conclusion, that the free market is the origin of personal character traits.

“The free market not only gives us prosperity, it can also make us better people by requiring and rewarding old-fashioned virtues like thrift, prudence, courage, and stewardship. Government, which has made us so much poorer by its invasions of private property, has also wrecked the culture”.

Anyway, it is way too complex an issue to address in this thread.

Really, if all that is required is common infrastructure, then all those who excel would be COMMON. The effort and drive, and SWEAT is what makes success, The sidewalk doesn’t do it.

Jesus was the ultimate success. Real success is not in what you have but who you are and how happy you are with where you are.

Well then Mr. Root doesn’t seem to agree……and he doesn’t appear very happy……

“Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, including Asset Strategies International, a global precious metals company, and Senior Economic Advisor to Wealth Masters International, a global financial services company. ”

From that resume…….seems Mr Root doesn’t take much stock in America……although exploitation and usury seem to fit nicely……..which makes “evangelical capitalist” an oxymoron and a contradiction.

Maryland: If you want to live in a bubble, exposing yourself to only those who champion your beliefs, that’s fine.

But to answer your question, some of us recognize that the easiest person to brainwash is the one whose belief’s are never challenged, that no one group has all the answers, that each group has it’s bias, and that each group has valid points to make.

Groupthink, while comforting, has it’s dangers also and some of us just like a more balanced view, recognizing that the other side are not “demons”, but citizens like ourselves. I go to a lot of sites for this reason. And sometimes, I find discover things I would not have otherwise.

@KQJM – Trust me, ‘K’, I DON’T live in a bubble. It’s more like I’m very firm in my beliefs and am not interested in opinions of those that seem to be stirring up trouble just for fun or spite. In fact, I consider myself to be a fundamentalist-Libertarian, new convert all fired up and constantly learning about the good news.

Life is way too short to waste time considering irrelevant things (for the most part). In fact, I wasn’t interested in politics until my mid-40s during the Clintonata and was disgusted by many things which happened during Bill’s term. I’m part of the Silent Majority: or from ‘Tora Tora Torah’ the Awakened Giant.

The only things I care about in life are my family and music. I filter out things which don’t interest me – until something happens that threatens to affect my quality of life. The Clinton Years did threaten my lifestyle – but at least Bill had sense enough to back down when he needed to on some of his extremist ideas. Political correctness and the attack on culture in this country by subversives and do-gooders is also an attack on myself and everybody. Obama’s policies threaten the future of the nation’s children for generations to come. I insist they cease and desist.

Government hasn’t the answers. Government’s role needs to be re-examined. People’s attitudes towards government need to change. people need to get a LOT more involved in government, because if they don’t, then we get the mess that we’ve got now.

Besides, ‘K’, I don’t think they make a bubble big enough to hold me!

We come here for pure entertainment. Its histerical !! Laughter is good for your health !!!!

Maryland, you claim not to live in a bubble, but then go on to say you avoid views that differ from your own. That you believe others hold different views, or question existing views, simply out of spite is incredibly naive.

You also say:

“People who disagree and voice their opinions contrary to Mr. Root, or any other columnist here – if you don’t like the meal, please get out of the kitchen. Visit and participate in a site closer to your own values, and leave people like us alone.”

That sentiment needs to be directed to the blog owner, not those who post here. We do so by invitation of the blog owner, who specifically states his Comment Policy as “We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants….”

If you find this policy, and the attendant comments, uncomfortable or objectionable, perhaps it is you who ought to find a more restrictive site in which your feelings can be confirmed and never questioned.

How does one grow and change without being exposed to others’ beliefs and opinions?

Re-examining the role of government is definitely something to consider…..but there
is a small problem that might prove difficult to overcome……

You would need to find people who understand what the role of government was, to begin with……….

Kgintovt… Are you of the opinion then that successful business never gets a “leg-up” from government loans, grants, earmarks? Do you think no one ever got up at 5:30AM to tackle his SBA application? Do you think no one ever got up at 5:30 am to submit his bid application for Federally Funded Jobs (BTW, didn’t Romney’s dad’s construction company make some money from federally funded jobs, as did Senator Feinstein’s husband?)

Also, you ask of Ted “if you disagree with him, why are you reading this page?”

How does one know the content of an article UNTIL one reads it?

And if one disagrees with the premise a particular article presents, does it then follow that one disagrees with all tenets of the site? Does it then follow that one just shuts up and accepts it?

Is it ALL or NOTHING, that black and white? You either sign on for being spoon fed and regurgitating another’s viewpoint, or go elsewhere? This from a site that proclaims “liberty???”….. what is that, liberty in everything EXCEPT thought, EXCEPT viewpoint.

Really….. isn’t that a hallmark of bigotry, not liberty; a hallmark of conformity, not independence?

Will Rootheads replace ditto heads?

Jeff says:
“When Romney says it, it’s capitalism. When Obama says it, it’s socialism. It’s called Wingnut Logic 101.”

Which is why we worry about liberals. Conservatives recognize it as socialism no matter who says it,

So, stating the obvious (i.e. that everyone who succeeds was aided by parents, teachers, coaches, and a system called infrastructure) is socialism? So, a true conservative has to reinvent the wheel every generation? Even in the Christie speech, he talked about how his father benefitted from the GI Bill. What did conservatives have to say about that at the time? Nothing good, you can be sure.

These programs Romney and Ryan are crying crocodile tears over (Social Security and Medicare) were solidly opposed by Conservatives when they were passed. In fact, the sainted Reagan was so opposed to Medicare, he practically called it the end of freedom. I would not trust any plan for Medicare put forward by Paul Ryan. And may I suggest if you ever shake hands with Von Mittens, count your fingers afterward.

Jeff,
does the union pay ya good for trolling this site? And how’s that hopey-changy thing goin’ for ya?

Why do you wingnuts always assume those who disagree with you are on the payroll of the Democratic Party? Do you really think everyone who voted for President Obama is no the payroll? Even the real Sara isn’t that dumb. Oh, and the hope and change – it’s working much better than the previous 8 years.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/06/01/493849/obama-bush-jobs-record/

You didn’t answer the question. Are you being paid by a union or some organization like “Obama for America” to be here?

Sounds like Communism to me. It would be an awfully boring world if we all lthought the same. Well, I guess boring people wouldn’t mind.

Freedom and Paul Wells forgets about the Conservative indoctrination centers. Jerry Falwell was one of the classics in rejecting anything but what he said.

Yes and they can’t take AIR with them, That is a “Greenhouse Gas” product and therefor BAD for the Lunar or Arian ecology.

Maybe your buddy Chris Christie will send us all there, Ralph Kramden style. But then, 2 or 3 uppercuts and he’d be on a ventillator.

These speeches at the RNC are something else. I thought Ryan’s nose was coming right out of the TV he told so many lies. Like the one about the Janesville GM plant that actually closed under W who was enabled by Ryan in every budget-busting initiative. Or the one about the Simpson-Bowles Commission. Ryan treated their Report as dead on arrival in the House, then blamed Obama for not embracing it. And don’t forget stimulus. In 2002, W’s stimulus was good for the economy; in 2009, not so much. But in 2010, in his hunt for “goodies” for his district, he wrote letters extolling the virtue of stimulus spending in his district to create jobs.

Ryan is another Nixon. Ironic that “Ryan” was Pat Nixon’s maiden name.

One Jeff to another. Lighten up and have a sense of HUMOR. We would rather laugh with you than laugh at you. The wonderful Greenies say Carbon Dioxide is bad for the environment? IT Lives on it. Two processes, Photosynthesis and Respiration, THEY balance each other. Greenhouse gases make plants thrive. NATURE LOVES Carbon Dioxide.

Hey, this political season has been endlessly entertaining. I’ve seen nothing like it since I was in college the summer of the Watergate hearings. But in the end, nuttiness takes you just so far and once Bachmann and Santorum and Gingrich and Perry and Cain were gone, there’s still a contest and there’s still an extraordinary amount of dishonesty to comment on.

I think Reagan said something like heaven doesn’t need socialism and hell already has it.

“DaveH,”

I WILL SAY THIS FOR THE LAST TIME – Personal Libertarians HAVE NOT DECIDED IF I AM CAUCASIAN OR NEGRO.

NOW, “DaveH” [Mr. Caucasian Male] – I AM A NEGRO MALE BORN AND RAISED IN RURAL MISSISSIPPI. “DaveH,” YOU SAY, I TRY TO “force my beliefs.” I SAY, “DaveH,” YOU HAVE NEVER MET AN ADULT NEGRO WHO ONLY HAS A SECOND- OR THIRD-GRADE EDUCATION. “DaveH,” YOU HAVE NEVER MET A NEGRO WHO HAS TO MARK HIS Social Security CHECK WITH AN “X” BECAUSE HE/SHE CAN NOT WRITE [SIGN] HER/HIS NAME.

MY POINT IS, “DaveH,” YOU ARE ONLY USED TO THE TYPES OF NEGROES WHO MAY BE AT YOUR WORKPLACE. THOSE NEGROES ARE TRYING TO IMPRESS CAUCASIANS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER “HAD ANYTHING” – THOSE NEGROES WERE BORN “POOR AS GRASS” AND THEY ARE “DUMB AS GRASS.” THEY ONLY WANT TO BE INVITED TO THE NEXT CAUCASIAN “COCKTAIL” PARTY.

MY COMMENTS REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF PEOPLE IN RURAL MISSISSIPPI – HOME OF THE “REAL” PEOPLE.

Well said, and I concur 100%!!

Not entirely true, Steve:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/07/31/why-london-is-yawning-over-the-olympics

More on that:
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/fools-gold-british-taxpayer-is-olympics-biggest-loser

I didn’t say — “Showing off gang leaders”, Eddie. I said — “Gang Leaders showing off their athletes”. All you need to do is cut and paste, Eddie. It’s really easy.
And you call ME a “dumbbell”?

Oral defecation is not pretty Eddie, please stop, you are stinkin the place up

Attack the mans idea, not the man.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Okay “Gang Leaders Showing Off Their Athletics” Feel better now? The point was and still is you get the lame comment award! The man and the idea still stinks FF!