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The Ryan Delusion

August 28, 2012 by  

The Ryan Delusion
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Representative Paul Ryan’s voting record shows that he harbors no love for the Bill of Rights.

With the Olympic Games behind them, Americans have returned their attention to the stage of political theater. One of the opening acts of the 2012 election season will take place this week in Tampa, Fla., where serial flip-flopper Mitt Romney is expected to be anointed the executive standard bearer for the alleged “Party of Great Moral Ideas.”

Despite the plethora of evidence proving that he is cut from the same statist mold as Barack Obama, Romney continues to be hailed as a “great conservative” and the vaunted “lesser of two evils.” Republicans — as well as some libertarians and constitutionalists — point to Romney’s selection of Representative Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) for Vice President as a sign of his commitment to limited government principles. Upon closer inspection, Ryan — who has been touted as the “intellectual leader” of the Republican Party and a budget hawk — has all the trappings of a textbook neocon.

Ryan faithfully toes the chicken hawk foreign policy line of nation building and bloody foreign interventions. He voted to invade Iraq in 2002, voted against any attempt to establish a withdrawal date from Iraq in 2007 and voted for “emergency” appropriation of $78 billion dollars to fund the illegal and immoral wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. In keeping with the foremost neocon prerequisite, Ryan is more than happy to send young American soldiers off to fight and die while he, as a healthy and able-bodied American patriot, could not be bothered to carry a rifle and fight for the principles he claims to hold near and dear to his heart.

For someone who is being embraced in some circles as a libertarian, Ryan’s voting record shows that he harbors no love for the Bill of Rights — or any facet of individual liberty, for that matter. This is the man who voted for the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act and its infamous indefinite detention provision, voted to make the Patriot Act permanent and voted in favor of using electronic surveillance on Americans without a duly approved search warrant. Under this criteria Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Generalissimo Franco, Kim Jong Il and Saddam Hussein were all staunch civil libertarians.

“Now hold your horses there, MacCormack,” some “libertarians” will say. “Paul Ryan may not be perfect, but at least he’s a staunch defender of free enterprise. The CATO Institute said so!”

Ladies and gentlemen, if CATO told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? It should be noted that the CATO Institute is widely panned by genuine libertarians and freedom lovers as a peddler of the faux “libertarianism” advocated from within the Capital Beltway. In order to curry favor with the Washington establishment, CATO has stumped for the following: torture, expansion of the surveillance state, a war with Pakistan, and the fiat currency factory known as the Federal Reserve.

But I’ve digressed… back to our buddy Ryan. Contrary to CATO’s claim, his voting record proves that he is more a Keynesian than a disciple of Ayn Rand. In 2008, he voted for the Bush stimulus bill, TARP and the auto bailout. Ryan even took to the House floor to pathetically beg his colleagues in Congress to support TARP. He echoed George W. Bush’s convoluted logic, stating:

Madam Speaker, this bill offends my principles. But I’m going to vote for this bill — in order to preserve my principles, in order to preserve this free enterprise system…. I believe with all my heart — as bad as this is — it could get a whole lot worse, and that’s why we have to pass this bill.

If only it ended there. Ryan also backed the disastrous No Child Left Behind Act, which essentially bribed the public schools into passing their most deficient students in exchange for government goodies. The proof is in the pudding for that one: Just ask any American student who George Washington is. And for the grand finale: Paul voted in favor of Bush’s massive expansion of Medicare which, coupled with Romneycare, set the precedent for Obamacare.

No genuine libertarian, constitutionalist or freedom lover of any kind believes in any of the nonsense supported by collectivists like Ryan and his keeper, Romney. All of the passionate “anybody but Obama” rhetoric notwithstanding, a Romney/Ryan Administration would serve only to slow America’s drive off the cliff into moral and financial bankruptcy down from 100 mph to 90 mph. Ryan’s much-ballyhooed budget would continue massive deficit spending for another 25 years at the least. But, of course, he and Romney “aren’t quite as bad” as Obama.

The bottom line is: There was only one man named Paul who was worth supporting this year. I think you know who I’m talking about.

“Oh here we go again, MacCormack,” I hear many of you whining. “That crazy kook had no chance! We’ve got to vote for the lesser of two evils! Romney’s not so bad!”

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. To think otherwise is downright foolish. After all, the Bible says in Isaiah 5:20: “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness.”

“Well then, what’s your solution, big shot?” you’ll retort. It’s simple: Don’t vote. When you pull that lever for Collectivist A or Collectivist B, you are giving your consent to their respective liberty-destroying agendas. As Lew Rockwell so astutely observed in a recent column:

How does voting change the situation? Neither of the candidates for president wants to do anything about the problem. On the contrary, they want to make it worse. This is for a reason. The State owns the “democratic process” as surely as it owns the Departments of Labor and Defense and uses it in ways that benefit the State and no one else.

On the other hand, we do have the freedom not to vote. No one has yet drafted us into the voting booth. I suggest that we exercise this right not to participate. It is one of the few rights we have left. Nonparticipation sends a message that we no longer believe in the racket they have cooked up for us, and we want no part of it.

You might say that this is ineffective. But what effect does voting have? It gives them what they need most: a mandate. Nonparticipation helps deny that to them. It makes them, just on the margin, a bit more fearful that they are ruling us without our consent. This is all to the good. The government should fear the people. Not voting is a good beginning toward instilling that fear.

This year especially there is no lesser of two evils. There is socialism or fascism. The true American spirit should guide every voter to have no part of either.

Consider those words long and hard before hightailing it to the polls this fall.

–Conor MacCormack

Conor MacCormack

is a freelance writer/blogger who runs Providential Publications, which offers writing/editing/media services. His blog, Brushfires of Freedom, addresses the current political and spiritual turmoil gripping our nation and how a return to America's founding principles will lead to lasting liberty and prosperity. He has also served as an intern for Republican presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul, M.D. in Washington, D.C.

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  • Theresa Kelly

    Excellent! Very well written!

  • wsk

    Republicans/Conservative can self-destruct better than anyone. “We have met the enemy and he is us”. I’m thinking about joining with Donna. This website is getting crazier by the moment. I’ll give it a little more time though before jettisoning.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Why not just go now? You come to a libertarian site, and what????? You complain because some of the people have libertarian ideals?!? Maybe you’ll stay a bit longer because you’re starting to wake up to the left/right paradigm? BOTH the republicans AND the democrats are giving you the SAME crap!!! If you’re happy with that, go ahead and go!

  • James Parker

    I, for one, barring a miracle this week at the GOP convention, will be voting for Gary Johnson (actually, the slate of electors supporting him).

    • wsk

      Your vote for Gary Johnson will be like 2 votes for the man-child messiah. Yeah, that’ll show Romney and the Repubs. Don’t be stupid.

      • James Parker

        I steadfastly refuse to vote for a lizard just so the “wrong lizard” won’t get in.

        If Obama wins, we lose.

        If Romney wins, we lose, but perhaps a tiny bit less.

        I won’t vote to lose.

      • Ted Crawford

        James
        What is your intent here? It seems tyhat many of your mindset intend to not vote this time and instead hope for a “better candidate” in 2016. If that is the idea, I believe that the error of that strategy was pointed out a long time ago ! ” The most dangerous strategy is to plan to jump a chasm in two leaps” Benjamin Disraeli

      • DaveH

        Ted says — “What is your intent here? It seems tyhat many of your mindset intend to not vote this time and instead hope for a “better candidate” in 2016. If that is the idea, I believe that the error of that strategy was pointed out a long time ago ! ” The most dangerous strategy is to plan to jump a chasm in two leaps” Benjamin Disraeli.”.

        James didn’t say he wasn’t going to vote, Ted. So why bring up what others might choose?
        If planning to jump the chasm in two leaps is dangerous, Ted. How will it be when you NeoConservatives have broadened the chasm by electing a Big Government Growther?

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      Are you always this stupid?

      • James Parker

        Are you always this devoid of content?

    • The Frog Prince

      Why not just cast your vote for Obama? This is NOT the election to pout and cast a protest vote.

      • James Parker

        Why not vote for Johnson? This is hardly the time to waste your vote on the lesser of two evils — especially since the difference between the two on the evil scale is so slim.

        Romney supported the financial bailout, just as did Obama.
        Romney supported government-mandated health care, just as did Obama.
        Romney supports risking US national security by massive borrowing to support a Soviet-style foreign policy based on military superiority, just like Obama.
        Romney won’t stop deficit spending, just like Obama.
        Romney supports the DEA’s and Homeland Security’s war against the American people, just like Obama.

        The only real difference I see is that Romney wants to borrow money and infringe freedom to prevent abortion, while Obama wants to borrow moneyand infringe freedom to subsidize it.

      • Paul Wells

        To James Parker.

        Because a vote for either Johnson or Ron Paul is guaranteed to put Obummer in office again. It will ONLY take votes away from Romney. if you can’t see that, then you are blind!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I wouldn’t vote for obumass if I had a gun to my head!!! And I’m NOT pouting OR protesting!!! I will vote FOR the person who reflects my values and is most likely to return this country to freedom!!! Badgering and bullying will NOT sway me!!! It is because of people like you that “they” were ABLE to take over and destroy our country!!! If you refuse to stand up and do the RIGHT thing, you cannot BLAME people who had the courage to do so! The evidence is right before your very eyes! If you continue to vote for “their” candidate, you WILL get MORE of the SAME!!!

      • DaveH

        Paul says — ” if you can’t see that, then you are blind!”.
        Ahh yes, the manipulative tactics of a Progressive.
        James vision is quite well, Paul. He is smart enough to know that you can’t shrink Government by electing an Establishment Big Government Politician. Methinks you are the one who needs glasses, Paul.

    • Paul B.

      Voting is a right we all have. It can be principled or purposeful, that is the choice we have to make… each one of us. While I support the principle vote, it becomes a shame when that principle gets buried by the winner which could have been avoided with a purposeful vote.

      It’s everyone’s choice, although we ALL must live with the results. We can only hope that those “principled” voters truly understand the implications and are willing to accept the unintended results of their votes. If so, then I can’t say a word about it… nor more than I can blame an Obama voter for being so… well… I won’t say idiot……………. but, being kind, I will say uninformed, blinded by the media, or “incapable of, or unwilling to, handling their own life.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I say, if you are willing to throw away your principles and support a candidate that you KNOW will not be good, then it is YOU who will be responsible!!!

    • James

      I have gotten WAY beyond sick of you folks. Romney won, GET OVER IT!! Romney / Ryan are LIGHT YEARS better than 0.

      So Romney is a Mormon and fears God, BIG DEAL!

      So Romney (and Ryan) is married to one woman, the same woman that he married to start with. That’s BAD?!? It’s bad he stuck with her even through her fight with breast cancer and MS??

      Romney had Romneycare in his home State, BIG DEAL!! The PEOPLE of Massachusetts wanted it. Imagine that, an elected official who does what their PEOPLE WANT! And that’s BAD??

      Romney is RICH, that’s BAD?? He made his money on his own, not through the government giving it to him. HE created or saved MILLIONS of jobs for the middle class in the private sector (Domino’s Pizza, Burger King, Staples, The Sports Authority, Accuride, Brookstone, Sealy Corporation, and Artisan Entertainment to name a few).

      He attended BOTH Harvard Business AND Law schools simultaneously and graduated at the top of his class (what were 0s grades?)

      He donated his entire inheritance to charity.

      He was a high-ranking member of his Mormon church that he took NO SALARY for.

      He took over a failing Olympics and made it solvent. He did the work for free.

      He took over a failing State and brought it out of the hole with NO SALARY.

      He needs to take over a failing Nation and work his Bain magic / mentality on it to cut away wasteful parts and make it prosperous again.

      REALLY people, get over your hate/jealousy of a REALLY successful guy.

      Chances are good that he’ll help the Nation and you. I REALLY don’t want an old, crazy guy in office who thinks Iran having nuclear bombs is a good thing. After they ‘Wipe Israel off the face of the Earth’ they’ll want to deal with the ‘Great Satan’. US. America. The United States. You’ll be able to think how great you were putting paul in office while Georgia, Florida, and the Carolinas swim in a nuclear sea and they set their sites on the next States.

      Really, get over it….

      • Average Joe

        James ,

        You write:
        “Romney won, GET OVER IT!!”

        I am guessing that you have a differnt definition of winning than the rest of us?

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-a8FamJg&feature=em-uploademail

        If you have to lie, cheat and steal to win…is it really considered “winning”? Oh wait…I guess the end justifies the means…great morals to teach our children…Thank for nothing James ole boy. As for the rest of your diatribe…yada yada yada…..

        BTW, I’m still voting for Ron Paul…I guess that pretty much nullifies your vote…glad I could help…..I won!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Daveh234

        The Romney koolaid is thick in your veins James.
        That sounds like right wing media lies too.

      • James

        How does your vote nullify mine?

        I’ll be voting for someone who actually has a chance to win the election and try to turn the train wreck of the 0 administration around.

        You’ll be voting for someone who won’t. On a VERY few items I like Paul. On most of them he’s FAR from the perfect president unless you want to have the game ‘Fallout’ be a reality with iran unloading on the little and great satans?

        Since I’m voting for Romney and you’re voting for some other guy, how do they cancel out?

        The only way your vote would cancel mine is if you vote for 0. You see those are opposite votes, so they would cancel each other in meaning. Voting for another not 0 will not take away my voice against him.

        So yeah, I still ‘win’ as you put it. I’m hoping the rest of America (even you and a lot of others here) do too. = ]

      • Average Joe

        James ,
        By nominating Romney, The GOP has commited political suicide. They can’t win the Office of the presidency without our help…period. By dienfranchizing the Ron Paul supporters, Republicans, democrats and independents…you know, those folks who would have voted Republican because of Dr. Paul? Those folks will now vote independent or Democrat…Romney will lose and the Republican party will become irrelevant…political suicide. Don’t fret too much though, as I believe this was done by design in order for those in the GOP to insure there place in the food chain of the NWO…the puppet masters have won…game set, match….. I wrote about this below….America has been sold down the road…no matter who we vote for…the deal has been made….and we all lose.

        Good luck, AJ

  • wsk

    What is wrong with you people. Romney/Ryan are our candidates. The time for all of your carping about who’s conservative enough, etc is OVER. We have to support Romney/Ryan at this point. Or do you really want 4 more years of the man-child messiah?

  • The Frog Prince

    I’m not sure all this constant labeling of people is the most productive thing to do as we approach this criutical election. That is unless the person doing the labeling wants to push people into reelecting Obama.

  • John Nobile

    Romney/Ryan may not be the best answer for America, but it is a million times better than Obama/Biden. Obama is a Socialist/Muslim that is out to destroy America. I can’t say enough about how BAD Obama is for our country.

    • http://personallibertydigest Joel

      You are right on John!

    • Debb

      Obama being a “socialist/Muslim”. What does that mean? There is extremism in every political movement and religion. Why are people worried about the bread crumbs and pennies being thrown at the less fortunate (socialism), when the ‘throwers’ are holding onto and have access to dollars and gold? You fearful ones need to stop looking at so much corporate (fascist) backed media.
      Muslims? Christians (at least in this country) have participated in more acts of violence and hatred than any other group in recent history.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So you prattled some words but didn’t say anything. So go vote for O already like you are planning to.

      • Daveh234

        Nadzieja doesn’t like dissenting opinions either? Prattle is all you do too.
        Aren’t we all? Really?

      • James

        Guess you missed out on Corkie wanting to kill folks at the Family Research Center?

        Guess you missed out on THOUSANDS of Christians being butchered in Egypt by the new muslim ‘leaders’ there?

        Guess you haven’t heard iran’s call to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

        Guess you haven’t heard about the flea baggers raping and murdering their own in their camps?

  • Mike V.

    The Best is the enemy of Good Enough. Obama must be defeated at all costs. We can sort out our troubles after we rid ourselves of the Communist in Chief. Purism a this time will only hasten the end of the Republic. Sometimes our side doesn’t know when it needs to fight a holding action to stave off total defeat. Start thinking people.

    • DaveH

      Start thinking? Like you think that’s what you’re doing? You would drive West to get to a destination North of you? How do you think that electing Big Government Politicians will get you Smaller Government?
      In a way, the NeoConservative Progressives have been worse for us than the Liberal Progressive Obamanites. Obama has shocked Americans into thinking about Freedom like never before. The NeoConservatives would be smarter and take away our Freedom more slowly until one day — SURPRISE! — it is Gone. I’ll take my chances with the Clumsier Obama, and HOPE and DREAM that he will finally wake moral, principled Americans out of their Apathetic Stupors. Meanwhile, I only vote for Principled Politicians (Ron Paul, Gary Johnson) who actually advocate shrinking our Leviathan Government:
      http://www.mises.org/daily/1850

      • James

        When there is a big canyon to the north, YES you drive west. After the canyon / 0 you can go north again.

        Or would you be so ‘ell bent on your destination you will not allow any detours and throw temper tantrums if things get in the way. Didn’t know that was the libertarian way to throw hissy fits. Thought you guys were supposed to be about what’s best for the nation?

  • Ken S.

    Stop trying to start a “new card game” when we’re in the 11th hour of this game! … I’ll trust the Mormon versus the Muslim anytime and accept the cards as they’ve been dealt. We’ve gone thru months and months of dialogue and primaries and the voters have spoken so get used to it. Paul needs to sit on the sidelines and root for either The Stinky One (BO) or The Gov. and trust that the majority still want to have the Constitution respected and defended.

    • dan

      Agreed…at least the planks look promising ….but will Bishop Romney and the boy wonder …
      or the congress abide by them ?
      i remember something about being in the world but being separate….anyone know of a vacant cave ?

    • CLIFTON ENGLISH

      WELL SAID KEN !!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/ricky.o.weber Ricky O Weber

    I tryed to optain a seat and ask our current President question’s at Cushing, Oklahoma aboue the XL Keystone Pipeline Project. When the Obama reps found out I was a Petroleum Landman since 1979 they would NOT let me take the assigned seat and ask President Obama ANY QUESTIONS!!!

    • Daveh234

      SOunds like shadows of the Bush henchmen who kicked out any dissenting opinions.
      It’s certainly not new in the political world.
      Saw 2016 and don’t believe the conclusions they attempt to push. The agenda is all they were pushing.

  • Kris Lounsbury

    I gave up on the presidential race a long time ago. The hope I have lies with the Senate which has picked up a few real constitutionalists (Paul, Lee, etc.) in the last few elections and the house which has done the same. Romney is the younger version of H.W. Bush and Mr. Viagra (Dole). Mr. Ryan;To put off balancing the budget until 2040 is to surrender our nation to the fate of Greece. We need to help true conservatives like Rep. Akin that the establishment repubs are trying to throw off the cliff because of a misstatement.

  • Fedup

    He beats the hell out of the communist muslim we have now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • boyscout

      Yes, he won by a nos in a battle with fiery pitchforks !

  • SammysDad

    I’ll take neocons over a anti-American corrupt arrogant dictator whose goal is to limit nothing but America!

    • gospelcowboy

      I’m all for limited gov’t., no dictatorship, etc. Since Obama has confessed he is a Muslim, and a communist, why is he even on the ballot? It’s proven he was born in Kenya, his parents were not American citizens, and his game from the git-go was to “fundamentally transform America” and we have seen it happening! DO vote; voting is the way to keep America strong. When our founders set the stage for the America we have known since 1776, they voted yay or nay and so should we! Anymore writings of the disgraceful sort and you can bet I’ll cancel my subscription!!

      • Debb

        All this crap from you ‘birthers’ is rather shallow. Forged documents is the craft of thieves and a lot of money, I for one along with millions aren’t ready to give up Hawaii as a foreign nation I find it amazing that you all are still falling for this. How much power does anyone think the President has? There is so much monied interest working against the people. RobinRomney/Ryan nor Obama would fare against any large financial stronghold.
        There are many reasons to not vote for Obama again, but the not so secret history of Romney and Ryan particularly protecting the financial interests of overly greedy companies is enough for strong doubt at the polls. 1%’s, where’s the jobs?
        There are other options for voting for the Presidency this year. Gary Johnson, Libertarian Party and Jill Stein, the Green Party. Many states will have them on the ballot with the Democrats and Republicans. Others will have to use the write-in system. For those who are fed up with Obama and Romney, please consider these others. As fed up as I am with the entire political scam that goes on every year in some election, I for one am not giving up my right to vote. With voter suppression de-facto, who knows if we’ll be able to practice the one-person one-vote (purportedly) system in four years.

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      If one sees the movie, “2016″, you will clearly see the motives that drive Obama…..Romney & Ryan might be on the wrong track here & there, but we don’t know what’s in their hearts & souls do we? In “2016″, we clearly see that Obama’s agenda is to destroy America…it cannot be denied…All bigtime pols except for maybe the Pauls & a scant few others are controlled, but Obama is a willing participant and glad to be one!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What is in a man’s heart and his soul comes out through his mouth and works his hands and his feet.

      • boyscout

        Did you not read the historical actions taken and the voting records? Please do so (perhaps again only with some comprehension this time) and tell me that you cannot extrapolate what’s in Mitten’s and PR’s hearts.

  • Cribster

    So out of principal millions of voters stay home. Obama wins a second term where he has nothing to lose.

    I don’t see where the government being afraid of the people comes in to the equation, all I see is the last vestiges of America being ground under the usurpers foot.

    • David

      Amen! This is another David. The libertarians are upset that Romney beat Paul (who is done now) so they would rather us stay home and watch Romney be defeated. It’s a very sad state of affairs we are in when those of us who want to defeat the liberty eating muslim can’t see past the end of our nose. Let Romney unleash his Bain of the top heavy government. Let them build our defenses back up instead of handing all of our nukes to China and Russia. You people really are stupid to allow progressives to take this one.

      • dan

        I think we’re grieving about the lost opportunity to take our country back…and looking at the prospect of going down slow or fast…idealism took a heavy hit and we’re faced with the prospect of trying to make lemonade with muddy water.
        Call it God’s Will or in sha Allah but resistance would seem to be futile.if Cheney were still in charge ,we could have Haliburton build a death star and get it over with.

      • DaveH

        David says — “It’s a very sad state of affairs we are in when those of us who want to defeat the liberty eating muslim can’t see past the end of our nose”.
        Yes it is, David. You should get some glasses and correct that condition. Liberty will never be restored by underwriting Liberty Trampling Politicians.

      • Average Joe

        David,
        We are not upset about Ron Paul not getting the nomination…we actually forsaw this. We knew that the RNC/ GOP wouldn’t play fair. We knew that they would lie, cheat and steal delegates to make sure that Ron Paul wouldn’t become relevant within the party We knew that the MSM would go out of thier way to ignore and marginalize him at every opportunity….because he scares the hell out of the patry elites and MSM who wish to maintain the status quo and thier corporate empire of corruption.
        What upsets us it the shear ignorance of folks like you who can’t see that they are being played for fools and continue to buy into the lies that they have your best interests at heart.
        No amount of proof will change your minds, so I won;t bother to try and wake up up…continue your slumber.
        We wil still vote our conscience and ignore your insanity. If either Romney or Obama win, don’t complain to us…you will have the Government that you have asked for..enjoy the results of your own making. It won’t be because of who we voted for…it will be because of who you didn’t vote for…live with the consquences of your choices.

        Best Wishes,
        May God have mercy on us all
        AJ

    • Paul B.

      What many Paulie’s forget is that we still have Congress to temper these two guys, which is possibly even more important given the climate in the Senate with Reid these past 6 years, and Pelosi for 4 years. Please never again.

      Conservatives still can pressure the House and hopefully the Senate to temper these guys who i believe will bend tot he will of the people given enough pressure.

      Obama has NO INTENT to bend to anyone, even his own party. His ideology and plans to “fundamentally transform” the US would never allow it. With no re-ele3ction looming, these next for years could be the death of what we once knew as a free capitalist market.

      Paulie’s… if you want to effect change, you can’t sit back and pout about your primary loss. If Washington had that attitude, he would have never rallied his beaten down troops and crossed the Potomac. We would be like Canada today, still under British rule.

      If you love this country, you must work WITH conservatives to continue the transformation of the Republican party towards a firm commitment to smaller, less intrusive, government. The progressive Dems will NEVER work in that direction.

      Without the assistance of the Libertarians, the Progressives WILL create a permanent dependent base and then it Europe, here we come, only worse.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        PERFECTLY SAID……that is why what that schmuck Akin did was so bad…he was shoo-in to win that vital seat!!

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “What many Paulie’s forget is that we still have Congress to temper these two guys, which is possibly even more important given the climate in the Senate with Reid these past 6 years, and Pelosi for 4 years. Please never again”.
        And what makes you think, Paul, that the people aren’t faced with the same non-choices in Congressmen as in the Presidential candidates?
        For Individual Freedom, Limited Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that comes with a much smaller Government — Vote Libertarian! Quit letting the Establishment Elites guide you around by your nose rings.

      • Paul B.

        Poor Dave… wah, wah, wah. I have cheese for that Whine of yours.
        So what is your solution? Continue to vote for Ron Paul while the country crumbles around you. As Jagger states. ” You can’t always get what you want… but if you try sometime, you just might find, you get what you need.”

        Maybe Romney is what we need “right now” appealing to enough to get elected. I happen to like him, not love him or rejoicing, but I believe he is good enough, is a good person, knows how to run a business and create jobs and middle class. And with our coaxing, will do mostly the right things. That goes for Ryan as well.

        Sure Paul would clean up MORE of the corruption and waste, but HE wasn’t elected as our nominee… Period… end of story. If you want to play your games and protest progress, that is your choice… we will work that much harder to save your ass from the Obama’s destruction is re-elected.

        You might as well be one of the DC dependents that we will take of as well. How does that make you feel, to be classed with the vast dependency who live off the kindness and strength of those who choose to fight for what we believe is BEST for ALL OF US.

        Ron Paul is NOT on the ticket. Choose your vote wisely. Be a part of the solution, not the problem.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: This guy is right, nothing is set in stone, people can rise up & take command the right way, we need to pray if R&R get in…..With Obozo there is NO CHANCE!!!

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “Poor Dave… wah, wah, wah. I have cheese for that Whine of yours”.
        And then he proceeds to whine.
        You’re a joke, Paul. Save your manipulative techniques for ignorant Progressives who will fall for them.

      • DaveH

        Paul says — “we will work that much harder to save your ass”.
        Your ignorant kind has been “saving my ass” for over 40 years now, Paul, and guess what? Government is bigger than ever.
        I’d appreciate you more if you’d stay away from my “ass” and quit voting for people to steal my money, kill innocents, and butt into my personal choices.
        You fit right in here:
        http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • Average Joe

        DaveH,
        I have the same view….they have been “saving my ass” for 56 years….Why do I feel so much…less safe? I would suggest that they spend more time “saving themselves” from the “lesser of two evils” mindset…and stop being mindless lemmings heading off of the cliff of ignorance.
        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: If the average joes of this nation actually thought & felt like Average Joe, USA would be Victorious !!! And that is NO BALONEY!!!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Principles do not make a person stay home and not vote. That is a responsibility or duty that we must do because we are citizens and a Free People.

  • boo

    so he is saying vote for obama ?

    • wsk

      Essentially, that is what these people are saying. I’m sorry, folks but I am an American first, a Conservative second and a Republican third; you fools are really cutting off your noses to spite your faces. Sad really.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WHY CAN’T YOU SEE?!? IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET THE SAME RESULTS?!? HOW’S THAT WORKING FOR YOU?!?

      • DaveH

        Einstein’s definition of insanity — “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

      • Average Joe

        wsk ,
        More like, Ignorant first, foolish second, idiot third, turncoat fourth.

        Remove your head from your posterior and stop being led over the cliff like foolish sheep.
        With so many people like you in the world….
        May God have mercy on us all
        AJ

  • Terry

    Okay, so who in the world should we vote for, or should we stay home and let Obummer win and take us completely down? We conservatives have to champion someone and please, let it be ABO!

    • David

      Let it be ABO and ABR…!

    • DaveH

      Champion somebody with Principles. That leaves out Romney and Obama.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Being a Libertarian, I’m still going to vote for Romney, because I believe of the 2 sides, The Repubs. are closer to that platform, while the DEMS are light years away.

        Having said that, no one who votes on their principles is wasting their votes,and I do not judge or chastise them! I’d rather at this point be pragmatic !

      • Average Joe

        Baloney Toney Mahoney,

        LIbertarian?…Not hardly…At least you got your first name right……you are full of it.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says to you, POPPYCOCK !!!!

      • boyscout

        Baloney Toney Mahoney, So you still believe in two sides as in Dems and Rebs ?

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: Yes, both sides stink like rotten baloney!!! But, one stinks less!!!

      • DaveH

        Balogny,
        I’m inclined to agree with Joe. No True Libertarian would sacrifice his Principles to vote for a Big Government Politician. Quit pretending.

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: This is a special case…..There’s bad & then there’s Obozo…My principles tell me , this is a time to be pragmatic..because 4 more years of this guy, & we may be off a cliff we can never up climb again, he may very well destroy the economy so badly, we may never recover, because that’s his agenda!!

  • The Gizmo51

    Is God sending a messenger with a warning in the form of hurricane Isaac telling us and the world that the republinos must be stopped at all costs? Was Katrina the first to show us republino incompetence?

    • therealhawkman

      Yeah, about as much as God started the Great Chicago Fire to curb the corrupt government there. That worked didn’t it? Get a life.

      • dan

        lmao… :)

    • KENYAN KRUSHER

      Methinks Katrina showed the corruption of the Pols in Louisiana, how they for years ignored warnings about a Cat. 5 hurricane and the levies not being able to handle such a disaster & used Federal money for fixing the levies for a gambling board & the incompetent racist mayor of New Orleans who was afraid of being sued for using a 100 parked school buses to get people out

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        I lived on the west bank from 84 to 90. The old boys I worked with told me, if we get a hurricane like 69s Camile, New Orleans was toast. That was Katrina.

      • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

        It’s no coincidence that that area gets hit all the time…terrible music, corrupt politics & the Mardi Gras a perversion of Sacred & ancient Catholic rituals…..The judgment will descend on all of America soon enough, if we don;t start bowing to the Light..Aye, I believe it has already begun & Obama has accelerated it !!!

    • Paul B.

      Yeah, kind of like the way the bungler in chief handled the oil spill. Could it have been any worse??? Delays in action for weeks, denying foreign assistance, allowing it to spread and contaminate the coast, holding all recovery efforts for his union buddies who couldn’t get their act together, and most often clueless as to methodology, lacking proper equipment that Obama was offered yet refused, etc., etc., etc.

      That is what we are working to change. You really want four more years of this?!?!?!

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        If you see ,”2016″, you’ll know why!!!!

      • Ted Crawford

        Even without viewing “2016′ it’s clear. It was his first major victory in his war on our domestic energy sources! His Campaign, headed by Steven(we have to find a way to raise the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe) Chu on the one hand and Lisa (I’ll regulate their guts out ) Jackson on the other is doing very well, from their standpoint!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It must not be too difficult for you to talk nonsense. Go vote for O already as you planned.

    • DaveH

      What Katrina showed us is the complete contempt that Politicians show to their subjects:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

    • boyscout

      The Almighty told me to stay on this page till I get to the bottom of it. So I must be in the right place, Ay ?

    • cawmun cents

      Yep…that bastion of Republican hiearchy known as NAWLINS’ is going to get hit by a hurricane as a reminder by God that republicans are bad and godless partiers who squander their resources by pandering to progressives and letting criminals control their environment are good.
      I propose a toast to Gizmo51 and his brilliant assumption!
      Skaal!
      -CC.

      • Karolyn

        Seriously?

  • Donna Bell

    I am deleting this page. I just don’t understand why you want to bad mouth conservatives of any ilk. We need to win this election and you are not helping. Is Obama and this administration better? What you are doing is helping the other side. If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all. Bye!!!!!!

    • polly

      I agree Donna. With people like these, who needs BO henchmen eh? I will delete this page too. thanks@

    • polly

      I will be unsubscribing, cos all these people are doing is securing another term for BO!

    • David

      Donna, you must have failed Reading Comprehension in school…Voting for Mit/Paul is
      the same as voting for obozo. They are one in the same.

      • Cribster

        Romney does know how to balance a spread sheet. How about Obama?

        Romney will approve the Keystone pipeline, permits for drilling in the gulf and probably ANWAR. How about Obama?

        Romney loves a thriving business. How about Obama?

        Romney has plenty of faults but put him next to Obama and he looks like a savior. Let’s give Romney four years and stop the bleeding, if he doesn’t behave we can look at other options next election cycle.

      • Paul Wells

        I don’t buy it David. You may think so, but they at least understand that continuing to spend into oblivion will result in exactly that…Oblivion! I will concede the point that R&R is the lesser of two evils, but I’m still voting that way, and this column, nor anything else will change my mind!

      • DaveH

        Oh Please, Cribster and Paul. Ryan’s budget plan would balance the budget in 28 years. 28 years in Politician years is like NEVER.
        http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/paul-ryan-dont-believe-hype

      • James

        How in all of everything is Romney / Ryan the same as 0??

        Neither of Romney or Ryan are pushing a homosexual agenda.

        Neither Romney or Ryan are trying to have America pay for the ‘sins’ of colonialism like 0 said he wants to do in the book folks wrote for him.

        Neither Romney or Ryan have added TRILLIONS of dollars to the deficit. Romney actually SAVED companies and organizations like the Olympics from going bankrupt and Ryan has been studying budgets since he was eight.

        Neither Romney or Ryan take away millions of firearms and kill American citizens trying to go around the second amendment.

        Neither Romney or Ryan have depended on the public sector their ENTIRE lives.

        Neither Romney or Ryan bow to foreign powers.

        Neither Romney or Ryan think there are 57 States or believe in the corpse-man.

        Neither Romney or Ryan have disdain and hatred for our military.

        Neither Romney or Ryan’s wives have ever not been proud of being an American.

        There are TONS of differences between 0.

      • David

        You hit the nail on the head…Only trouble with what you said is getting “anyone” else to listen. If we don’t Stand together and Defend the System we have you know there are Millons everywhere who would step in and decide for us. The biggest thing we MUST prepare for is to take what is ours back if “Someone” ursurps their power and forces their treasonous plans upon U.S.A.ll !!!

    • Theresa Kelly

      Donna, how can someone be a true conservative and vote for candidates who stand in direct contradiction to everything a conserving believes? Romney/Ryans voting records are shameful!

      • Vigilant

        And Obama’s/Biden’s records more abominable by far.

      • DaveH

        Two wrongs still don’t make a right.

    • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

      The Republicans will just take us back to their policies of the last 35 years. Its the death dell of the Middle class.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Donna, the republicans are NO LONGER conservatives! We now have two liberal parties which follow the SAME agenda! Where can conservatives go to get representation?!? BOTH parties have sold out and no longer represent their constituencies. We have been left to TRY and find remnants of what the parties USED to be, but it is getting harder and harder to recognize them. Both parties continue to shift to the left! Just because these people call themselves “republicans” doesnt mean that they are conservatives! Perhaps we will see the demise of the republican party just as we saw the demise of the Whigs!

    • Dianne

      Amen!! Between this article and yesterday’s Romney No Savior (an expose on the Romney/Ryan ticket) I’m done. This is another sterling example of why and how the Republicans/conservatives/libertarians/RINO’s will give this election to Obummer on a silver platter tied up with a big red bow–no loyalty, no support, no cohesiveness, no circling of the wagons to support our own like the UNIFIED democrat/liberal/socialists do when one of their’s says or does something stupid on a daily basis. Akin has done a tremendous amount of damage and articles such as these at the eleventh hour is disgusting. Yesterdays article suggested we pick another candidate–right, we’re going to create utter & absolute chaos at the convention which the dems/libs would adore like manna from heaven to use against Romney/Ryan ticket at their own convention next week. Get real.

      • DaveH

        What difference does it make whether they call themselves Republicans or Democrats while they take away our Freedom and our Prosperity, Dianne?

      • Average Joe

        Dianne,

        Please watch this video and tell me that you still think Romney/ Ryan has the nation’s best interest at heart. This is apalling on so many levels and Romney feins ignorance of the fact.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-a8FamJg&feature=em-uploademail

        This the direction of the “new” neo-con Repuglican Party….is this what you want to vote for? Is this the direction that you want for our nation?

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Karolyn

        Some people prefer honesty to supporting what/who they don’t believe in. Honesty is wht it takes to have people think a little. There cerrtainly are not enough thinkers and a great many sheep.

    • nc

      Donna Bell, you want to replace Obama with the same Republican platform that produced the Hoover, Nixon, and the Daddy’s Boy Bush economic disasters? Why?

      Go to “Bulls, Bears, Donkeys and Elephants” and see how those three administrations performed in the free market stock market! That is what you really want?? Take a look!

      • DaveH

        There goes NC again, spreading his Bull.
        Here is a rebuttal to Tommy McCall’s biased treatment of market gains by Democrat Presidents by John Gruber:
        http://gnuhaus.com/iblog/archives/000388.html

        More to the point, it doesn’t matter if Democrats or Republicans are taking away our Freedoms or Prosperity. What matters is that we need to get them back, and it isn’t going to happen with Big Government. It never does.

    • DaveH

      Donna says — ” I just don’t understand why you want to bad mouth conservatives of any ilk”.
      They aren’t Conservatives, Donna. They are NeoConservative Progressives.

    • boyscout

      Bye,
      Best wishes

    • Karen

      Nothing is perfect but we have to get rid of Obama or we lose our country at least Romney is a good moral man. Please stop whining and let’s vote Obama out. No one is perfect that is why Jesus came to forgive us of our sins.

  • Vigilant

    “The government should fear the people. Not voting is a good beginning toward instilling that fear.”

    That’s one of the most absurd statements ever made here. DaveH is right, the PTB couldn’t care less if 90% or 9% of the electorate vote. They’ve disregarded the popular “mandate” for so long that we are viewed as simple tools to put them in office, and no more than that.

    “Instill fear?” Lew Rockwell/Conor MacCormack are delusional at best.

    • Warrior

      Here in chicago, 45% voter turnout is viewed as high and view the results. Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and get this guy and the rest of his progressive cohorts out of office. Period!

    • Whit

      “The government should fear the people. Not voting is a good beginning toward instilling that fear.”

      Voting is one of the few rights we have left. Exercise that “right” while we still have it.

      • DavidL

        I understand that voting is mandatory in Australia. If you don’t vote you get fined $50.00. Wow, If we did that here we’d kill the deficit in one or two election cycles.

      • GALT

        Nope wouldn’t make a dent in the deficit…….

        In 2006, eligible voters in the U.S. ( census data ) 207, 643, 594.

        In 2008, voter turn out for president, 65 million to 60 million which totals 125 million.

        leaving 82.6 million non voters x $50 would yield; 4,150 Billion. ( rounding up to 83 )

        and you have to collect it………..

      • GALT

        actually 4,150 million or 4.150 billion….

      • DaveH

        I’m not so sure, DavidL. We currently have a heavily Propagandized citizenry who know little about the Principles of Freedom. There is a lot of learning to be done before we can hope to reclaim our Freedom.
        For those who would like to break free of the Spell and start thinking in ways that the Elites don’t approve:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

    • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

      The Republican’s have been the party of fear since 1980.

      • JJinCO

        The Democratic Party has been the Socialist Party since 1930.

      • Ted Crawford

        Actually JJinCO, or first Socialist President was elected in 1912!

      • DaveH

        Our biggest problems started in the late 19th century with the Progressives:
        http://mises.org/daily/1259

    • nc

      Vigilant, In an earlier post I ask you to watch “bush praising Fannie and Freddie” to see if you wanted to change your position that Bush really wanted them to change their policies that were helping HIS agenda on low income housing! How did that come out?? Did you watch it??

      • Vigilant

        Sorry, nc, I didn’t catch that. Could you re-post the link?

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        Dear American Citizen,

        I’ve been doing conventions long enough to realize that when you don’t have the numbers, things will not go your way.

        Today, we didn’t have the numbers. That is not in question.

        Four years ago, the Republican Party simply handled our R3VOLUTION by slamming the door in our faces with hardly any consequences.

        Today, the GOP establishment can no longer afford to employ these tactics.

        Instead, they’ve adopted new ones.

        Properly elected Ron Paul delegates were stripped from us. And when a motion was made to amend the Credentials Committee Report, it was ignored.

        Morton Blackwell, a longtime conservative activist and RNC Rules Committee expert, found himself indefinitely detained – along with the rest of the Virginia delegation.

        The RNC’s bus driver responsible for transporting delegates somehow “got lost” for well over an hour until a critical Rules Committee meeting adjourned.

        Blackwell and the Virginia delegation were heading up the efforts to defeat new RNC rules proposed by Washington, D.C.-based insider attorneys.

        These rules are designed to turn the Republican Party into a top-down organization and strip power away from state parties and grassroots activists of every stripe.

        All efforts to vote down these onerous rules were ignored despite a clear split in the voice vote.

        Sadly, these rules will now govern the party.

        While it is almost certain we did not have the votes on the floor to win either of these battles, a fair and open debate and recognition of our motions would have been a better way for these problems to have been handled.

        It didn’t have to be this way. And quite frankly, it’s a shame.

        It’s a shame for Ron Paul supporters. It’s a shame for conservative activists of all stripes, and it’s a shame for the Republican Party.

        However, you and I have much to be proud of.

        Many of the amendments our campaign fought for were included in the new GOP platform. Four years ago, many politicians in both parties scoffed at our efforts to audit the Federal Reserve.

        Now it’s in the Republican Platform – along with internet freedom, war only under a Congressional declaration, support for a gold commission, and fighting back against domestic drones.

        We also forced the establishment to cave in and seat more of our delegates than they wanted to.

        Instead of being shut out of the convention, Ron Paul was able to walk the floor and talk to his delegates Tuesday afternoon.

        Coalitions that have been built over the past several weeks on these battles will last long into the future.

        Our liberty movement is growing. It’s growing fast.

        And the underhanded actions we’ve seen over the past week are sure to drive more folks into our camp.

        I’m proud of our liberty movement. I’m proud of all we’ve accomplished. I’m proud of you.

        I strongly believe you and I are the future.

        Winning won’t be easy. Our opponents are determined to maintain their iron grip on power.

        But their days are numbered – if I can count on you to keep up the fight.

        The Ron Paul R3VOLUTION is not coming to end.

        Our R3VOLUTION will not end until limited government, free markets, sound money, and respect for individual liberty, constitutional principles, and a pro-America foreign policy are finally restored in America.

        And you will play a vital role in making this a reality.

        For Liberty,

        John Tate
        Campaign Manager

        P.S. The establishment is going to use every trick in the book to hold onto their power.

        But they know you and I are the future of the Republican Party. Their days in power are numbered – if I can count on you to stay involved.

        Our R3VOLUTION did not end today. It’s only beginning.

  • KG

    It’s the Ayn Rand Atheists versus the evangelical Nazis. This is the greatest thing for Mr. Obama. Victory is his.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Keep dreaming. With such an attitude as yours the Democrats/Leftists deserve you.

  • Jane Mayer

    Fools. You always have the ability to write in your vote for President. If you choose to vote for Ron Paul, then you have done the right job. Just don’t vote for the neocons that met on the night of Obama’s inaugural ball and made a pact to instill fear into the hearts of American so they could take the reins. They are traitors. There were 22 there, 6 of them are Senators, 13 Representatives, Including Paul Ryan and John Boehner and the House Whip who later took the Tea Party into their plan. Now they intend to blame the Tea Party for what they planned and did.

    • dan

      Thanks for pointing that out ,Jane. It matters little who is the figurehead when the body is rotten.
      Boehner and the leadership are just as responsible for the fiasco formerly known as America
      and has enabled the Pelosis and Reids (another Mormon cultist,by the bye) to bring us to the edge of ruin.Bishop Romney is not the answer…he’s more of the sickness of empire/NWO.
      Oh,do you have a source for the meeting…I was just vaguely aware of it

    • DaveH

      It must be understood that the natural inclination of Leaders is to Grow their Power and Perks. Thomas Jefferson knew that. As he said — “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground”.
      The only way to control that inclination is to keep Government as small as possible like the Framers of the Constitution tried to do, and as local as possible where the people actually have easy access to their Representatives.

      • Winddrinker

        States need to take back all the powers usurped by the feds. State governments need to govern themselves, so government to be local and sensitive to the needs of their own populations. States need to collect and spend their own tax money. States should not collect and send all their money to the crooks in Washington.The States should not be dictated to by an isolated, elite group, that exempts themselves from the laws they pass for the rest of the country..

        The federal government has made a great case for itself to be greatly downsized due to incompetence and corruption. Why are communists being put on the ballots, being elected, and being sent to D.C. to run the country..For that matter, why would any foreigner be considered for a government office that gives him power to rule our country..

  • Harold Olsen

    “Why not give support to a Party that does work for Freedom?”

    Does such a party exist? I doubt it very much.

  • DaveH

    Conor says — “Well then, what’s your solution, big shot?” you’ll retort. It’s simple: Don’t vote. When you pull that lever for Collectivist A or Collectivist B, you are giving your consent to their respective liberty-destroying agendas”.
    The Establishment Leaders could care less if 50% of the eligible Voters elect them or 20% of the eligible Voters elect them, as long as they get elected.
    Why not give support to a Party that does work for Freedom? That would send a much bigger message than NOT voting at all.
    http://www.lp.org/

    • Thomas Phillips

      Good response. I intend to vote for the party that promotes liberty – the Libertarian Party.

    • JJinCO

      Ron Paul tried the Libertarian Party. He got little attention. He ran for the Republican nomination. Why? Because there is more chance of fixing the Republican Party than starting a third party. Don’t waste what Ron Paul has done and Rand Paul is doing. Fire Democrats. Vote for Republcans. Make the Republican Party walk the talk of small, Constitutional government.

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        My dream would be for Romney & Ryan to go to Ron Paul & say, “WE need you in our cabinet, as a sort of economic czar, to help cut down this federal beast, and you are best man for the job.” Who knows of Paul would accept that, but if he did & all three campaigned on this one issue, frame it for the young people that their futures are at stake, frame it for the elderly that their grandchildren’s futures are at stake… I guarantee they would win….Of course, this all assumes that Romney & Ryan are serious about cutting the Federal govt. & its out of control spending, that is the $64,000 question isn’t it?..apparently the author thinks its a charade!!!

        One must not lose sight of the fact that Repubs. are at least Pro-life & traditional marriage & like Cathy CEO of Chik-fil-A, I do believe the judgment will descend upon this nation for the legalized snuffing out innocent life in the womb & sanctifying the darkness of homosexuality!!

        With the DEMS in power there is NO CHANCE of cutting spending, for that would end their bribery scheme…with the Repubs., there is at least a glimmer of hope, and isn’t that why Ron Paul stayed in the party & not start his own? If one is a Libertarian, it’s better to vote for R&R, at least with them there is a chance!!!

      • Liberty Lover

        Absolutely right, JJ!

      • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

        AMEN, Brother !!!!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Your idea is to stay in the Republican Party and try to reform it from the inside. The only thing that happens is that you work yourself silly and accomplish nothing.

      • DaveH

        JJinCO says — “Because there is more chance of fixing the Republican Party than starting a third party”.
        I’ve been hearing that line of reasoning for 40 years, JJ, and here we are — Less Free than ever before.
        You can try to repair your vintage car, but I will invest in a brand new one.
        The Republican Party has been steeped in Mercantilism since its inception. It’s doubtful that even Ron Paul can change that.
        Pick up a copy of this book and start your learning process:
        http://www.amazon.com/Hamiltons-Curse-Jeffersons-Revolution—Americans/dp/0307382850/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346165127&sr=8-1&keywords=hamilton%27s+curse

      • eddie47d

        Your obsession with homosexuals Kenyan Krusher will keep the focus away from economic issues and the election will become a parade of social issues. Romney flip flopped on everyone of those issues over the years and turned voters off. If those seeking jobs are hanging off a cliff you really think their most urgent concern is who the gay guy next door is dating?

      • KENYAN KRUSHER

        It’s too late , I’m afraid the genie is out of the bottle for homosexual agenda, but I still would not vote for ANYONE who supports it, or legalized abortion…..Karma will be heavy, Cathy was right!!!

        This election is simply pitting those who get free stuff from govt. as opposed to those who are tired of paying for it!

    • Sirian

      DaveH,
      Many good points, good links, well said!! But unfortunately we are once again in somewhat of a political conundrum, are we not? RP gave his farewell speech, so to speak, yesterday. His non-endorsement of Romney was very refreshing. . . :)

      • DaveH

        Not me. If Ron Paul doesn’t run as independent, I will be voting for Gary Johnson. I will be voting for Principles of Freedom.

    • firefight

      Good point. “If we don’t stand for something, we’ll fall for anything” is what comes to mind here. My drift on the “not voting” thing is simple. NOT voting sends the message that we don’t give a rat’s ass about who gets in there. Voting FOR the person who represents our values does. THAT is what sends the message. Even if our candidate loses, they will still have an idea of just how many of us are out here who will fight for the Republic and that’s what they need to know…….especially if it comes to a revolution. By now, it should be obvious to everyone that our candidates are NOT chosen by us, but by the elitists.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        firefight, I agree with you! NOT voting sends the message of apathy! THAT is exactly what “they” want. When the people are apathetic, it gives them license to do whatever they want. Voting for the candidate “they” give us means we are malleable. Again, they can do whatever they want. We need to make them KNOW, we are neither apathetic nor malleable! We need to send a message that says we are ON to them and we aren’t going to put up with it any longer!!! It is the responsibility of all to vote FOR the person that you think will best run our country, the person whose values and ideals are closest to our own! I’ll not be forced into a box where I’m only ALLOWED to vote for the candidate “they” give me! I’ll NOT give up my integrity and be forced to vote for “the lesser of two evils”! I will write in the name of the person that I feel is best suited to turn our country BACK to the great nation that it once was!!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy,
        I think you might enjoy this book:
        http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_1/9_1_5.pdf

    • gettinready

      All people not asleep at the wheel vote libertarian 2012 that will really show them the people mean business! Your vote is only wasted if you vote for someone who’s not running (Ron Paul) Voting status quo will get us status quo…I believe the people only make a difference when their voice is heard..Dems & GOP are not listening…wake up people!

    • boyscout

      I cannot argue with that logic. I also cannot find logic in any other position. But still they babble, snivel, and bemoan being stuck with two evils and no way to express their conscience. Those who are blind are so because they simply will not see.

    • Winddrinker

      Forget it if you think anyone will notice the “write-in votes,” when obumscum gets re-elected!

      If RP supporters really want to make changes, why not plan something that isn’t so obviously destined for defeat..

  • DaveH

    And this:
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/does-paul-ryan-know-or-care-about-bill-rights

    Chris Edwards no more represents all of Cato, than Conor MacCormack represents all of Personal Liberty. It’s that Freedom of Speech thing you know. Although I must say I’ve considered Cato to be mushy Libertarians for many years now. I much prefer the no holds barred commentary from Mises Institute.

    • GALT

      ” and the award for understatement goes to: “
      Chris Edwards no more represents all of Cato, than Conor MacCormack represents all of Personal Liberty.
      So “who be Conor MacCormack”? and what claim to Personal Liberty representation DOES he have?
      After tireless investigation and exhaustive research it would appear that Conor has made a total of two other contributions to P.L.
      July 11, 2012: Dishonest Abe’s Legacy And The 2012 Election
      July 18, 2012: More On Dishonest Abe’s Liberty-Destroying Legacy
      Not a whole lot of range, but a quick look at his bio indicates that he does seem to have that ephemeral gift of “allusion” that attracts the rather nebulous and ill informed, self proclaimed modern day “patriot”, sans howitzer?
      His blog, Brushfires of Freedom, addresses the current political and spiritual turmoil gripping our nation and how a return to America’s founding principles will lead to lasting liberty and prosperity.
      Ah yes, those much referenced “founding principles”which no one can quite put their finger on but are claimed by “everyone” along with that other reference, “The American Dream”! which makes an almost modern debut, by comparison yet remains equally elusive as to meaning.
      The understanding of these words has been genetically inherited by all natural born citizens, of course, ” a priori and self evident”…..that is until one asks a “question”……..then eyes glaze over with the duh? expression……….and the intellectual flailing begins. This is probably due to the REALITY that these “founding principles” were forged in “the ( then ) current political and spiritual turmoil gripping our nation “ which was NOT a nation………and the pedigree of those that “flailed then” to grasp these elusive wisps, were not your ‘common folk’, nor were they particularly “sober” at any given time……..alchohol consumption being twice that of today……..a fact which they made no effort to conceal, but since the proceedings were conducted “in secret”, that, as well as the “elite status” of the participants does not fit well with the “contrived reverence” that has been constructed for us……..
      If the state of todays “turmoil” seems to be one of complete chaos, the TRUTH of the matter is, they were “us” times two…..and the only reason they managed to get anything done at all……was that the conditions were a loss less complex than they are now……so with a few expedient “compromises” of principle and VOILA, here we are.
      Representative of PERSONAL LIBERTY? What is that? A question to be sure………and as ephemeral as those “founding principles”…….something with a nice ring, but which does not seem to invite closer examination, lest it’s discordant composition become obvious?
      ” To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and then HANG, separately.)

      • gettinready

        I would like to vote for someone that 1.) I think will represent my views in matters that pertain to the Federal government and 2.)preserve the constitution and bill of rights. What if ALL the people who do not support Obama and ALL the people who see the neocons for what they are and ALL the Ron Paul freedom lovers got together and voted 3rd party Libertarian ???maybe we would get the government that we the people actually have a say in…just thinkin …

      • Frank

        PSSSSST GALT STILL HERE WATCHIN YA

        It is sad to see someone of your mental capacity speaking about intellectual ability.

        Just so you know, intellectually I won our last battle.

        I will also win this one when judged by rational people.

        I am too lazy, today, to look up the word used by your Islamic partners for using lies and deception to divide and destroy. However, I can see the results of the implementation of those tenents here in your post.

        Yes, we were not a nation, YET, when the FOUNDING fathers decided the FOUNDING principles of the United States. Just so you can “intellectually” understand why this is not a problem, founding means to begin something new. By definition, founding principles is acurate in describing what was used to start / begin our great nation.

        I am sure that your desire to obfuscate reality will give you impetus to decry my next statement but, even if Allah Akbar is a propper phrase, you cannot change the meanings for american english words to suit your feeble ranting. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES do not give you the power to define words in our native language.

        Self evident – a combination of two words “self” speaking to ones own person, relating to ones identity. and “evident” a form of the word evidence, facts or ideas that give reason to believe in an theory.

        By definition, self evident is owned by the person stating the idea. You have no right or power to deny a person the veracity of such a statement.

        This country has freedom of speech guaranteed in our bill of rights (first 10 ammendments to the constitution). While I believe and defend our constitution, there is a higher authority and a previous document that supercedes it. The Ten Commandments (strange that there are 10 ammendments and 10 commandments). One of these is Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie). Does the Qua’ran violate this commandment from Allah (God)? Does it say “thou shall not bear false witness, unless it helps me gain power over the world”?

        Are you really a member of the PLO? The Palestienian LIbreration Organization. Do you believe the pure hatred spewed forth by the extremist terrorist wing of the nation of Islam? Is it acceptable to rape and murder women because they are christian? Do you applaud them for hacking children to death with machete while chanting “ALLAH AKBAR”?

        I am not qualified to judge your true intelligence because I have not met you. I can only go by what you say in this blog. Trust me when I say that what you have said does not raise your apearance of intelligence.

        My God tells me to love all his children. My God says HE will judge all. “VENGENCE IS MINE” says my Lord. Do unto others as you wish done to you. What does Allah say? Love only those who bow down and lick my boots? Go forth and Judge and kill all who dissagree with you? Stick it to them before they can stick it to you?

        As I said before, I will win intellectually here. Once again, I am sure you will try to change the rules of engagement for discourse so, I will let you decide. How do we engage here, definitions, religion, opinion based on facts or just mindless drivel. I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL, PICK YOUR WEAPONS.

        LONG LIVE ISRAEL THE CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD

      • GALT

        Sorry, Frank……since you are not making sense, and I have no clue to what battle you are referring……or what battle you imagine is taking place here……I will leave you with the standard constitutional i.q. test question……

        Where are the (common) law and equity courts?

        When you find a ‘candidate’ that can answer it, then you will have found someone to vote for……..however in the spirit of no childe left behind, here is a map.

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

      • Frank

        The battle was over the Declaration of Independence where you questioned the statement “we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are endowed with certain unalianable rights among which are life, liberty and the persuit of happiness”. The post today I responded to contained the self evident question again.

        For the new constitutional test, do you want me to answer or find a candidate that can?

        It is easy to find these courts, as all courts are required to provide jurisdiction in these two areas if demanded by citizens. The fact that they try to use admiralty and the color of law because of our current color of money (federal reserve notes) does not eliminate the two original jurisdictions. And yes I know that the flag with gold fringe is not the flag of the United States. I know that technically by using FRN’s we accept the bennifit of commerce with a foriegn country but, I have not signed a contract of international commerce so I am not bound by that rule. I did not need your link because I have known this for years.

        If you want me to get more specific and quote the sections of the SCC laws which tell how to prevent being tried by these color of law juridictioins I will be happy to provide them for you. You can get out of traffic tickets by refusing to be tried by color of law which has no requirement of victims. As for a candidate that knows these things, I have not had the time or opportunity to ask them yet but I am sure that Ron Paul knows the differences.

        Also, I am 58 and was educated long before the moronic no child left behind rules.

        Now back to my original reply, I was not ambiguous in my last posting. I am sorry that you are not feeling intelligent enough to respond to my assertions and questions. Once again you run and hide from my responses. Is that your only defense? I got the questions about you and the PLO from your response to VICKI in the blog several days ago I just reminded you about at the start of this post.

      • goetzwyo

        typical of those who are lost… leave out the part where it says “Creator” so you can ignore the One who gave US this Country and Blessed it to be A Great Nation !!! Too many in this Dead Land who only think of themselves. No wonder its in its death throws now!

      • Baloney Toney Mahoney

        The Mahoney Man says: Interesting point of trivia…original Declaration had “SACRED” instead of “SELF-EVIDENT”…Some thought it sounded too religious & they debated for 3 days until Franklin came up with self-evident…though spiritual men, they were always very careful of going overboard on religion, but that did mean they wanted people & leaders to never mention God in Public Square like nowadays!

      • Frank

        I appologize for missquoting the Declaration of independence. Yes it says “are endowed BY THEIR CREATOR with certain unalienable rights”. I noticed my omission after I posted it but it was too late to add that most important phrase. I do not ever intentionally diminish Gods role in our great nation. He blessed our country in the beginning and that is what made up prosper. Lately the evil decadence that rules our country has caused many to fall from his grace and I only pray we will regain what we have lost in our sins before our God judges our nation. Let the TRUTH rule this country for that is what will save us from our current leaders (the TRUTH comes from the BIBLE as the word of GOD).

      • goetzwyo

        Thank You Frank for replying! It’s good to see you are a man of Faith and not someone who wants to Blot out His word!

      • GALT

        Well then Frank, my recollection is that no one, as yet has managed a satisfactory explanation of “unalienable rights”, in particular how are they unalienable…….and also,
        since this government had accepted the duty to “secure them”………what would that require of government regarding the right to life, specifically?

        It is not a question that can be dealt with simplistically and careful reasoning leads to very unexpected results……..I was not aware that anyone had managed to produce anything much in getting past the first step……and that includes you.

        The post here, while again noting the casual use of words….presents a variation of the same theme……but from a different direction entirely. While you do mention the words “self evident” and some rambling about “newly formed”, and then wander off into material
        that as noted makes no sense as a response to today’s offering…..

        My congratulations on your constitutional understanding…….still doesn’t give you anyone
        to vote FOR…….but who knows maybe our dialog will improve over time……

    • GALT

      Oh yeah, von mises…….that would be the austrian variant, of the capitalist variant of the
      the Big Store Con of Economics!

      Enter: Economics UNMASKED!!!!!

      The economic system under which we live not only forces the great majority of humankind to live their lives in indignity and poverty; it also threatens all forms of life – indeed life itself. Economics Unmasked presents a cogent critique of the dominant economic system in order to help transform our society into one in which all forms of life will be protected. The first part of this book is devoted to showing that the theoretical constructions that have been selected, work mainly to bring about injustice. The second part is concerned with what should be the foundations of a new economics where justice, human dignity, compassion and reverence for life must be the guiding values.

      “As is clear from the title, the book argues that modern neoclassical economics is a mask for power and greed, a construct designed to justify the status quo. Its claim to serve the common good is specious, and its claim to scientific status is fraudulent. The latter is sought mainly by excessive mathematical formalism to the neglect of concrete facts and real values. The mathematical formalism is in imitation of nineteenth century physics (economics viewed as the mechanics of utility and self-interest), but without any empirical basis remotely comparable to physics. Pareto is identified a villain here, and to a lesser extent Jevons.

      The hallmark of a real science is a basic consensus about fundamentals. There is no real consensus in economics, so how can it claim to be a mature science? Easy, by forcing a false “consensus” through the simple expedient of declaring heterodox views to be “not really economics,” eliminating history of economic thought from the curriculum, instigating a pseudo-Nobel Prize in Economics, and attaining a monopoly on faculty positions in economics departments at elite universities.” Herman Daly

      “They identify what they consider to be the foundations of a new economics, which are articulations of the very core of our work here at nef:

      The economy should serve the people, not the people the economy;

      Development is about people, not objects;

      Growth is not the same as development, and development does not necessarily require growth;

      No economy is possible in the absence of eco-system services;

      The economy is a sub-system of a larger and finite system, the biosphere, hence permanent growth is impossible.” Nic Marks

      Now this subject is a bit more complicated regarding the simple question that explains what happened to the constitution ( and which people ignore and have yet to ask any of these so called “patriot” office holders and aspirants ) but really, is there anyone out there that can say that the “economy” is serving them?

      • Frank

        GO AHEAD GALT AND REFUSE TO RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF MY POSTS.

        The right to life means that nobody has the right to take my life from me. The governments only role in securing this RIGHT is in enforcing laws agains murder or manslaughter.

        Unalienable was defined by me completely and your delussional refusal to accept the definition does not negate it. As to our dialog improving, I doubt that you will be able to improve your mental condition in order to use logic and reason to debate the issues with me or anyone else.

        Also, on economics, your quoting from an extremeists ranting on the economy does not prove anything. It appears that the author was possibly pushing for what is referred to as sustainable economics which is different than basic macro economics theory. We do not need sustainable economic systems for economics to serve us. We only need that for continued service over the long haul.

        Economics theory does meet the scientific rules of proof if you know what they are. Supply and demand drive a capitalist economy, that is non-disuptable. Demand goes up then if supply does not the price goes up. If supply increases without an increase in demand then the price goes down. The only time these rules dont aply is when there is something called elastic demand. This type of demand is for goods or services that people consider absoultely necessary and will buy and consume regardless of the cost. Two primary examples of elastic demand are Gasoline and Tobacco, although not really necessary they are considered that by those who consume them.

      • GALT

        Yo Frank…….this post is not a response to you…..look at the time stamp, this post was here two hours before your initial post above……it is not to you, it is not about you…..and if you intend to establish your Claimed intellectual superiority, I suggest you work on your comprehension ability……..I did respond at 6.46……what you are doing here is anyone’s guess, but I’m not going to………feel free to chase me…….you’re not even on the same page………but here’s a hint if you really want to engage………quote me first, so I have at least some idea what you are trying to ARGUE with…..and then have at it…….

        I’m not exactly quaking in my boots in fear of your debating skills…..the feature writer’s
        here don’t impress me……you can’t even follow the topic line……or the thread?

        Try again…….just try harder to keep it together and focus……I am ignoring whatever you wrote above…..the initial insult was enough…..deal with it……

      • Frank

        Galt

        There was no reply button at the bottom of the post I was replying to so I went down one post of yours to hit a reply. I am staying on your topic, if you can follow one. And it does not make any difference where I reply, you still never respond to what I say because you are an idiot pure and simple not capable of intelligent responses. You have not one time responded to my posts here today just kept drivelling about some obscure nonsense.

        All your posts are pure nonsense blown out your backside without any evidence of brain power involved. you are afraid to engage me in any form of dialogue because you cant. Your attempts at insults are ineffective because they have no basis in reality so fire away loser.

      • GALT

        Well that is such an “intelligent response” that I am just SPEECHLESS!!!!!!

        It does seem a bit curious that I was able to manage to post a reply to YOU and there was no REPLY BUTTON under your post……..and you managed to do it, so you could apologize for omitting CREATOR………but you must have forgotten how you did that, huh?

        As for your complete definition, you must have forgotten that too, because I don’t see it.

        As for government securing the right to life, the conditions for it; air, water, food, clothing and shelter, must be met…….and this is not done if government’s only role is enforcing laws against murder and manslaughter………..it also demonstrates quite nicely, as you would be DEAD……that the right to life is NOT unalienable, as you just got alienated from it.

        Thank you for your opinions on economics, unfortunately, until you actually READ the book, your present response is rather naive as it attempts to argue something, based on
        a few sentences which only contain a glimpse of what is involved……

        The book does not deal with macro or micro concepts, or supply and demand and your single relevant attempt fails…….oil and tobacco are not equivalents or even related, in terms of sustainability or ecosystem services.

        So while this has been fun, you continue to waste my time……

      • Frank

        Last item first, actually it is a waste of my time not yours because you are either to stupid or too stubborn to listen to facts.

        Your reading comprehension is in question since none of your responses to my posts actually indicate you understood them.

        I said that I provided a complete definition to unalienable in posts to a previous blog from PLA. I did not say I did it now. I will not repeat myself for your entertainment, so look the definition up yourself. But it does mean you cant take them away.

        You are confusing the right to life with living which is understandable for you. If I die it is because I lost my life, not my right to life (although I dont need the right anymore since I am dead). If you kill me you violate my right to life, but you did not take the right away from me. h

        Since I never mentioned micro economics we will leave that term out so you dont get more confused.

        I never said the book (I will not read because I despise trash spewed by environmentalist extremeists) talked about macro economics. I said it appeared to be addressing the idea of sustainable economics which is not the same as macro economics. Macro (the world) economics is what most refer to when they talk about economic systems. The non-environmentalist people who talk about economics dont mean the biosphere (living area on earth), they talk about commerce. Believe it or not, commerce is the basis for what the majority of humans call economics. That is buying, selling, trading and sharing of resources (not necessarily resouces that come directly from the earth).

        I never mentioned oil in my post it was gasoline. And if you are not educated enough to understand the difference here is a small clue oil is very dark and oily and gasoline is very clear (white, red, blue) tint but you can see through it. You can use gasoline to clean up oil from surfaces. Gasoline and tobacco (not just cigarettes) were examples of elastic demand, they were not mentioned as equivalents to anything or each other.

        You have used “the book” to belittle the idea that economics is a science. Well even though that is a misconception as there is scientific theory in comercial economics let us delve into the idea of sustainable economics.

        I have had some college courses in economics so I am a little familiar with this concept. Sustainable economics refers to the use of replenishable resources. It talks about how quickly a resouce is replenished by nature and therefor how quickly we can safely consume it. Some examples are perhaps lumber (trees) and water (clean and drinkable “potable”). Now, I ask you Galt (a work of futility) how does one come up with the answer to sustainable consumption without using scientific methods?
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        My opology about leaving out the words by their creator was not a response to you.

        When I find your replies to me (which are never shown as a response to Frank but usually response to Galt) in my email alerts I can reply to them from the email even if there is no reply button in the blog page to that response.

        Now, I know you will fuss and whine like a little baby about me not staying foused because of the numerous subjects in this post but it is that way because you referred to all those subjects in your post. Just trying to respond to all your rambling notions.

        If, in future posts, you have nothing intelligent to say please direct them at someone with the same mental capacity as yourself like flashy. Don’t waste my time with comments that have no basis in fact or even in reality in this universe. It hurts my brain to try and figure out what kind of demented mind can actually say, let alone believe, such nonsense.

      • GALT

        well since you can’t remember what the definition was…..and/or will not repeat it……and I have said that “no definition” has actually surfaced that would be relevant, I accept your concession.

        and the source of gasoline is………?

        Since you can not discuss what you refuse to read……we are done here…..you were and remain irrelevant ( and ignorant of the actual topic )…….but the line of reasoning will continue………feel free to jump in when it starts to make sense…….

      • Frank

        Relevant to who or what topic? Be specific or shut the $%^& up.

        I know the definition, I remember telling it to you; if you cant remember that is your problem. I am not playing your ignorant little $$$$ game here.

        Gasoline is refined from crude oil (which is different than oil). Oil is something you use for lubrication.

        I dont need to waste my time and money reading a biased book on ECOSYSTEMS to make the points I made about ECONOMICS. Once again you confuse words that, maybe to you, seem to be related. The ecosystem is the earth or if you want to go macro, the solar system and the universe. Economics is commerce used by humans to advance their standard of living or exist in the ecosystem we live in.

        So to restate the obvious, you have never one time directly responded intelligently to any facts I have presented to you. I am truly in awe of your ability to advance the Islamic way of hiding the truth to avoid looking stupid in your own eyes.

        MAYBE THIS IS NOT A BATTLE YOU UNDERSTAND BUT WE ARE AT WAR HERE. YOU HAVE A BELIEF SYSTEM THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE ONE TRUE GOD. I FIGHT FOR THE GLORY OF MY LORD. WHOM DO YOU FIGHT FOR? Sorry to make that a propper sentence it should be FOR WHOM DO YOU FIGHT?

      • GALT

        I am a e.i. P.L.F………seeking to educate w.i.A.L.F’s such as yourself, and A.L.F’s, to grasp and embrace their inner P.L. F. ism……..your war’s do not interest me, so feel free to start without me…….and continue for as long as you like……you are of no concern and no consequence, and until you actually become one…..it would be “immoral” to assign you any value……..which as you can see, I have NOT.

  • DaveH
    • makus

      If we look at this and what has transpired in the past that is hwy I am either voting Ron Paul or the lesser of two eveils which in my mind after collecting all data seems to favor Obama. Just being honest about lesser of 2 evils.

      • Patriot1776

        I can’t even begin to comprehend how anyone could come down to a choice between Ron Paul and obama, although a vote for either is a vote for obama. The only place that I know of where obama could be thought of as the lesser of two evils might be Chicago. He hates America, hates christians, hates sucessful citizens, hates guns…at least Romney has earned a paycheck before.

  • DaveH

    Conor MacCormack says — “Now hold your horses there, MacCormack,” some “libertarians” will say. “Paul Ryan may not be perfect, but at least he’s a staunch defender of free enterprise. The CATO Institute said so!”.
    This also from Cato Institute:
    http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/paul-ryan-dont-believe-hype

    • Sylvin

      “Well then, what’s your solution, big shot?” you’ll retort. It’s simple: Don’t vote.

      ??

      Not voting is the same as throwing your vote away. Why not throw your vote to someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson instead? Why not write in Ron Paul to send a message that you’d rather have a Ron Paul instead of the two party candidates. Getting Ron Paul 10 or 15% of the vote would really send a message…

      • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.richardson66 Christopher Richardson

        Amen. The author may enjoy the purity of his beliefs but, in the real world- you work for the best you can get. As long as there is an opposition party – and there must be to prevent any one philosophy to oppress – there will be compromise. We have to keep moving the ball forward. We can’t just pick it up and go home if the game doesn’t go our way.

      • toad

        I’m not about to throw away a vote that could keep someone much worse in office. Sorry, no thank you

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Christipher Richardsoon, why is it that when someone from the Left or a Neocon tells you that you should compromise it means that things should be done their way and you should think their way.Why won’t they think and do as the Conservatives and/or Libertarians?

      • Paul Wells

        This all comes down to the amount of disdain you have for Obummer. Myself, I can’t stand, I mean, I absolutely get almost physically ill at the thought of that bastard getting in office again for another 4 years. So not voting is a non-starter, since that in my mind is letting Obummer win without a battle of any kind. Same with diluting the vote by voting for Gary Johnson or Ron Paul. If I thought for a moment that either of those gentlemen could get elected, then I would vote for one of them. But since neither can, I will vote to keep Obummer out. None of what this article takes away (not voting, etc.) makes any sense to me.

      • D A Y

        THIS LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER WOLF IN THE FOLD TRYING TO GET US NOT TO VOTE! WHO DOES THIS IDIOT WANT? JOE BIDEN FOR ANOTHER 4 YEARS???? NO MATTER HOW BAD IT SOUNDS, THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS IS STILL A CHOICE!! CUT OFF BOTH LEGS, OR JUST ONE? I WILL CUT OFF ONLY ONE IF GIVEN A CHOICE…. COME ON HERE… BIDEN OVER RYAN?? NO CONTEST…

      • DaveH

        But you are doing worse than throwing away your vote, Toad, when you vote for a Big Government candidate (unless that’s what you want). Rubber-stamping the Establishment Candidates just reinforces their selfish behavior — that of putting up only candidates who work to further tighten the grip of the Leaders over the rest of us. It’s time to quit underwriting those who are feathering their own nests at the expense of the rest of us.

      • GALT

        Really? You can’t just pick up and go? If memory serves, I seem to recall that, the “america’s” especially the north, were comprised of people who were doing precisely that?
        In fact, our species has been doing THAT since the beginning.

        In terms of practicality, modernity has introduced several obstacles in that
        places to run to are fewer and the barriers a bit more difficult to negotiate, but
        the urge is still there………

        Is there a pragmatic way to employ voting to alter the corrupted thing we call government?

        Possibly…….but it rests on two criteria…….the recognition that voting for “something” is a waste of time……..because the reality of this is that the “‘for something” usually represents the most important element of the “perceived self interest” of the individual voter, and second, most people don’t bother to vote…….because “nothing” is really safe, no matter what is said…….so why bother? ( btw this latter group is by far the majority of voters, and easily outnumbers anything that can be martialed by either major party…….)

        Enter the “negative voting party” which operates on two specific principles……never vote for an incumbent or who has been an incumbent, in that office, at that level of government, ever………….and if possible, never vote for anyone who claims affiliation with either of the two major parties………it doesn’t really matter who gets elected…..because the problem is first and foremost “the corruption”………and it’s primary purpose is to accomplish one thing………..

        We will refer to this as “The Dogs of War”, effect…….which is simply this, at the end of this film…….Shannon, the leader of the mercenary team who ousts President Kimba, to install a pre-selected puppet president for a mining corp. in the Republic of Zangaro, promptly
        shoots the planned puppet, introduces the gentlemen who paid for the coup, to Dr. Acoya, who was a political prisoner of the “previous president” and says: “Now you’re going to have to buy it, all over again.”

        It takes a bit of imagination to grasp what this simple and essentially non political tactic would accomplish……..but consider our present normal state of affairs………who would the ‘corrupters’ attempt to corrupt……and when? What would the press talk about…..since nothing would be certain……..and each candidate would have to covered individually.
        What would people like Rash Lamebrain talk about………?

        Now that speech is money, it might be quite an economic boom…..?

        Oh well, one can dream……..

      • Chester

        Nadzieja Batki, Why is it that you, and so many like you, think compromise is a bad word? You sound like the rest of the Tea Party nuts I see on here, you only want things ONE way, YOUR way, or you will take your votes and go home and pout. The only problem with that attitude is the FACT that by doing that, you will get NOTHING you want, whereas, if you stayed and honestly negotiated, NOT my way or the highway, but honest give and take negotiate, you stand a fair chance of getting some of what you want. NO, you won’t get all you want, but neither will the side you stand against. Believe it or not, compromise is what allowed this country to be founded in the first place, as you had thirteen different colonies represented by men with totally different interests. None of them agreed on everything, including the Declaration of Independence, but they managed to pass that, and, with a lot of sweat, blood, and tears, get a constitution in place that we are still living by. Yes, there have been modifications to that document, the first ten of which were written to get it accepted by all the colonies, and the rest as the need for changes have become obvious.

      • Ron

        By not voting, or voting for Ron Paul you insure that Obama is elected resulting in more devistation of the US economy and world wide loss of stature. Dumb Dumb and Dumber

      • http://Yahoo jimb

        Sorry I do not agree with you. We all ( Republicans) should unite behind the Republican nominated for President. If we should not write in someones name. That is the same as voting for the other candidate. So in a since you will help the other candidate win. Do not waste your vote in this manner. Vote for Romney and Ryan, Nov.6TH 2012.

      • r.p.

        Giving Ron Paul 10 to 15% of the vote will send a message. Giving him 30% will most likely win him the election (Obama won with 26%). One of the posters said “even if he did get the popular vote, the electoral college will not vote for him”. They are bound by the constitution to represent the will of their constituency (voters from their district). To do otherwise would be a violation of the constitution and their oath. Those who are willing to support Romney will only be re-electing Obama. So don’t try to convince those who are trying to get us out of this left/right paradigm, status quo quagmire, that we are wasting our votes. Did anybody bother to notice the Ron Paul rally which drew over 10,000 supporters yesterday? Hmmnn…I thought not!

      • http://www.facebook.com/martha.benton.3 Martha Benton

        Why not just be honest and vote for Obama? That is exactly what you ARE doing hiding behind “I’m voting for who i would rather have had.” Bunch of gutless losers that will then sit around and blame everybody else when Obama wins. If you are a conservative, then stand behind the conservative candidate that’s nominated. Blame yourself and others like you that do stupid things like ‘write-ins’.

      • Barefoot

        I’m sorry but I disagree! Voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson does NOT send anyone a message! It IS a wasted vote BECAUSE no one on Capitol Hill CARES! They only care about VIABLE candidates. In other words the top two vote getters in the primarys! Had Ron Paul been one of these two, then they would pay attention! The best hoped for results for supporters of Mr. Paul is that he be able to continue to influence decisions made by Congress!

      • DaveH

        So, what’s your exit plan, Martha? When do you throw in the towel and admit that they will just keep putting up one evil after another for you to choose from, as we keep slipping further down that tyrannical slope? After all, that is the deal. It’s one big buddy club of Banking and Corporatist elites, most of them sociopaths, who can rationalize any means to reach their desired goals. Theft, Murder, it doesn’t matter to them as long as they get their Power and Riches. It really shouldn’t be that hard for people like you to figure out, Martha, since they’ve gotten you and yours on the same train for a lot less reward.

      • Winddrinker

        The author of this article lost all credibility when I read the statment he made saying that “Romney is cut from the same statist mold as obama….”

      • Don B

        You don’t get it do you? Ron Paul has no chance of winning, therefore a vote for him is a vote for Obummer. Any voter should realize this and cast their vote to get rid of Obummer, and then work within the party to get the things Ron Paul wants.

      • petroleumengineer

        What an irresponsible plan – vote for Paul to send a message. I’ve been around for 89 years and have a sound mind. The message you’ll send is let’s go to socilaism or communism. The you can say, I told you so from behind a barbed wire fence.
        Frankly, I am impressed with Romeny. He is a Conservative, not as much as me, but he is still a Cnservative. You’ve lost rack of what is going on and have mesmeized yourself about Libertarianism – as a Conseravtive Republican I believe much of what Ron Paul says ( in fact some of his ideas happen to be part of the RNC platform). Paul’s knowledge of foreign affairs proves to me that he lives in a dream world. Isolationism is not workable – the globe is too small. Had we retained Paul’s ideas on foreign policy we’d now be speaking Geerman on the east half of the country and Japanese on the west half.
        Conor and you better get REAL!

    • wandamurline

      Bob….Ron Paul did not get the votes to be the candidate for president. Get off it and start trying to, at least, stop stomping on the only people who might have a chance of getting Obama out of the White House. Suddenly, I think that maybe you want Obama to have another four years…..what is the deal? We must play the cards we are dealt….Romney was not my first choice either, but I will tread snow pile ups over my head to get to the poll to vote for Romney and against Obama. You need to take a break….am sick of your ursurping. No candidate is perfect….not even your Ron Paul.

      • Ed

        Amen to that! Is this guy trying to get Obama reelected?!?

      • DaveH

        And you will keep playing the hand dealt to you, Wanda, until our Freedom is no more. It’s time to get out of their game, while we still can, and stop underwriting Evil.

      • eddie47d

        There was a time when there wasn’t a Democrat Party or a Republican Party. We’ve allowed them to cook our gooses forever. Things can and do change so why not support the Libertarian Party and keep advocating for their principles. To do otherwise means you accept the way things are.

      • Patriot1776

        The time to take a stand is not in the voting booths on election day. We are faced with a choice of obama or romney. Obama will destroy this country within months of the election with his communist ways. He will eliminate our relgious freedoms and our Constitution. He is a known negative. He must not remain in office.

        Romney may be only slightly better in that if he is communist, at least he has not “come out of the closet” with it. The choice stinks, but it is the choice we have allowed.

        The time for change comes after the election. That’s when we need to actively seek to either change the republican party back into a true conservative party, or we work to raise the Tea Party into a strong political force with power to overcome the status quo.

        Don’t take a stand to ease your conscience on voting day, then return to your place on the sofa until the next election when you will once again moan about the choices. We can’t change this one. If we give this one to obama, it may be the last one. If we hold our noses and pick what’s left, at least we will have a country left to work to improve.

      • http://speedle speedle

        Says Eddie, “To do otherwise means you accept the way things are.” This betrays yours (and others on this blog) complete misunderstanding of the situation we are in. Let me clue you in. “the way things are” are about to get much much worse if Obama is re-elected. Maybe that’s what you want – a bigger platform for pissing and moaning.

      • David

        We elect Romney and Ryan who are the Republican Canidates… Tell me WHY won’t anyone who isn’t corrupt or a communist/socialist or evil(wolf in sheeps clothing) be nominated in the first place ? Isn’t there TWO men in this Country who we can vote for who are God fearing Law abiding Patriots if elected to office who would RESTORE Our Nation to Greatness? WHERE ARE YOU REAL AMERICANS ?

      • r.p.

        If Ron Paul didn’t get the votes then please explain why the GOP/RNC has been trying so hard to rewrite the rules for delegates, physically forcing RP delegates out of the caucauses, demanding the RP delegates to swear allegiance to Mitt, refusing to allow him to speak at the convention. RP is the only other candidate who has earned plurality from 6 states and the GOP is trying to rewrite that. He’s on the ballot in all 50 states, and was the first one to do so. If anyone has the right to speak at the convention, it’s RP. The FED and Goldman Sachs only support Mitt and Barack. They have told you that is your only choice. You can follow their orders if you want, but I don’t think I will jump off the cliff with you.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        This is to eddie47d! Who are you and what have you done with eddie?

      • eddie47d

        Go ahead Speedle and vote for your favorite miserable creep. I won’t stop you.

      • Mary-Lee

        Ron Paul has every right to be considered a candidate. Several of the primaries were hacked and votes stolen or not reported so he should have more delegates than he shows. I think Mr. Livingston is trying to point out that there ARE more than the two choices given to us. Doesn’t anyone remember that conventions were intended to nominate a candidate? I do. It was not determined BEFORE the convention who the nominee would be. The states voted at the convention.

        Warren G. Harding (1921) entered the convention with only 39 delegates and on the 10th ballot, he won and went on to become president. Other presidents were nominated after several ballots (Buchanan for one) IT CAN HAPPEN AND SHOULD, THIS YEAR MORE THAN EVER. This is why you don’t vote for the ‘lesser of two evils just to outst Obama’.
        Yes I want Obama out, but to replace him with Romney is just as bad because they both think alike. Yes, Romney is more polite, Romney is not arrogant as Obama, Romney is more likeable BUT THEY BOTH HAVE/WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY EVEN MORE. They will just do it in different ways. Look at Paul Ryan’s voting record as this article points out (VoteSmart.org) he’s as bad as Obama. This is why Romney picked him.

        I am not naive , but I’m not stupid either. I know Romney was given the nod by the Bilderberg Group and they have been selecting our presidents for the past 50+ year. THEY are the Elistist, the Banksters, the Globalists. He will likely win, just as Bush won over Gore….THEY make it happen. But, please, allow yourself to say, “I tried” when it comes to saving this country. And who knows, if enough people vote for Ron Paul, maybe he might win. Then we will have a fighting chance to save this country. Romney won’t give you that chance. All he will do is remove the arrogant Marxist from the White House.

      • Winddrinker

        Sure sounds like the author’s point of view isn’t too popular… There are a handful of posters that keep harping about RP, but it isn’t going to work. The people don’t want RP.

        The author is acting like a kid and if he doesn’t get his way, he will pick up his marbles and leave the game. And, he is trying to get everyone else to take their marbles home and stay there..refusing to vote. Thats incredible when you think about it.. Another insane idea from a RP supporter. He would rather see the country destroyed …IF he can’t have RP! Sounds like he has a mental disorder, to me..

        If the demonrats cannot find “dirt” on Romney, he has to be “squeaky clean.” Believe it, they have tried. Seems Romney’s “only sin” is being successful and creating jobs.

        Of course, libs don’t like successful people, libs want to demonized them and confiscate their wealth. Don’t forget, they want to take everything from everyone, and redistribute it to their friends…So, be prepared if you are thinking about staying home and pouting. If you don’t vote, you may not have that “home” for much longer.

      • GregS

        eddie47d says:

        “Things can and do change so why not support the Libertarian Party and keep advocating for their principles.”

        This coming from a person who has consistantly defended Obummer’s policies on this site!!! Nice try, eddie!

        As I have said before, many of the so-called “Libertarians” on this site are simply Obama shills, who are trying to split the conservatives, so that Obummer can get re-elected for another term to do more damage.

    • Randy131

      Connor Mac Cormack says by chosing Romney we have chosen the lesser of two evils, but every man has both good and evil in him, for all are sinners. By choosing Romney to run against Obama, I refer to it as choosing between the better of good that has a chance to prevail against the lesser of good, which can be described as choosing the lesser of two evils, for all are sinners, but your description really describes what you are looking for in your choice, and I look for the most good, not the less evil, unlike what Connor MacCormack is apparently looking for.

      • GregS

        VERY well said, Randy!

    • http://yahoo marc lizotte

      I agree DaveH, we also must remember that we need to get rid of Obomonation and Biddy for not only what they haven`t achieved BUT for what they`ll do. Indoctrinate socialistic policies in the govt that will be iireversible AND possibly change the SCOTUS w/ the replacement of possibly three(3) socialistic liberals. Sound like fun???????? THINK,VOTE!

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Lets see the wisdom of all of this? A write in vote is really a vote for obozo, a no vote is a vote for obozo? If your going to be that dumb, just vote for obozo and get it over with. Mickey Mouse would be better then obozo the clown marxist but, I won’t vote for him either. Will I vote the lesser of two evils, Yes. Anyone is better then the dictator-in-chief.

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