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Ryan Not A Real Libertarian

August 22, 2012 by  

Ryan Not A Real Libertarian
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Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan to be his running mate.

Presumed Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney tagged a man named Paul for Vice President. There’s just one problem: He picked Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), not Ron Paul (R-Texas). The latter is a real libertarian, while the former is a big-government conservative.

Jane Aitken, founder of the New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, wrote an opinion piece for Bedford Patch. The headline read: “Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul.”

The Daily Caller also weighed in last week: “It didn’t take long for libertarians to condemn Mitt Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate. Ryan may have required his staffers to read Ayn Rand’s novels, but he’s no John Galt (a fictional character in Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged). Over his nearly 14 years in Congress, Ryan has cast several votes unfit for an advocate of limited government. He voted for TARP, auto bailouts, and Medicare expansion. He also voted for No Child Left Behind and twice voted for stimulus spending.”

Paul cannot be excited about Romney tagging Ryan for the VP spot. In an interview given to Fox News last March, Paul called Ryan’s budget proposals timid and said that Ryan did not address the Federal government’s propensity for warmongering. Paul said he didn’t like that the Ryan plan might balance the budget in 30 years and did nothing to address America’s vast overseas military presence. Paul said instead of the Ryan plan he would slash overseas spending by first stopping “militarism” while maintaining spending for national defense.

As reported by Huffington Post, Paul said:

In my program… I address that first [cutting overseas military spending] I want to get home so that you don’t have to attack child health care or Medicare, even though those programs are bankrupt and you have to deal with them. But even in my first year of cutting a trillion dollars, I don’t touch that stuff [child health care or Medicare].

I’m not going after the benefits the Medicare, I’m not doing that initially… I would cut the money that they are screaming about, this overseas militarism.

I see people coming together… 67 percent people now want to come home from Afghanistan… I think the Republican lose the political argument immediately. [The Republican plan is] We want more weapons but we are going to deny the elderly for their healthcare.

Yet Ryan is likely a smart pick for Romney in that his nomination as Vice President will help Romney win the Presidency because it will garner votes from Tea Party supporters. That doesn’t mean that Ryan is anything other than a pretend libertarian. And he certainly isn’t alone in that category.

In his book Fed Up!, Texas Governor Rick Perry wrote: “If you don’t support the death penalty and citizens packing a pistol, don’t come to Texas. If you don’t like medicinal marijuana and gay marriage, don’t move to California.”

While Perry was running for the Presidency, a Des Moines Register reporter asked the former Texas A&M yell leader: “What yell would you give to urge on your campaign?”

Perry replied: “Rick Perry. Liberty. Rick Perry. Freedom. Freedom is working. Liberty is working. We’ve got to get America working again.”

I wondered: what does it mean to be free? I looked up the definition of “libertarian.” The Free Dictionary defines the word as: “One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state. One who believes in free will.”

Perry doesn’t have a clue what it means to be free. Freedom — and here is the key caveat — is doing what you want as long as you are not hurting another individual.

Let me say it straight: If my neighbor on one side is in a gay union and the neighbor on the other side smokes grass (and if is not hurting me or anyone else), why can’t they? That’s how I look at it; I am a true libertarian.

Perry dresses up in libertarian clothes, pretends to embrace individual freedoms and then at the first instance (when he doesn’t like what he sees) demands government intervention. That is not liberty my friends, that is pretend liberty and something very dangerous to the state of the union.

Romney may pretend to embrace smaller government and less taxation, but his track record as Governor of Massachusetts doesn’t support his argument. Nor does his businessman-first-and-foremost argument carry a lot of truth. As then-GOP hopeful Newt Gingrich pointed out to Romney during one of the GOP Presidential debates: “The only reason you didn’t become a career politician is because you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994.”

None of this makes the Romney/Ryan ticket less desirable than the alternative: another four loathsome years of Obama/Biden. It does, however, mean that this election isn’t going to give the sweeping changes that libertarians were hoping would come out of the grassroots Tea Party movement.

Barack Obama fashions himself an old-style Democrat, the likes of President John Kennedy. But what Kennedy wanted for the Nation half a century ago was affordable then. As the upsurge in Federal debt shows, it simply is not possible now.

If Obama looks to the Kennedy era, expect Romney to be a replay not of President Ronald Reagan, but his successor, President George H.W. Bush. That will mean continued excessive military spending and interventions overseas. It will mean continued large deficits.

Led by Romney/Ryan, the country may be 20 percent to 30 percent improved over what will happen if the Obama/Biden team is re-elected. But that won’t be a renaissance for America, and the end result will fall far short of making libertarians happy.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, while a Romney/Ryan victory is in the cards, I don’t think it will resuscitate the U.S. dollar. That inevitably means a continued deterioration in the greenback’s purchasing power — something you should consider before you buy any U.S. paper and before you sell any precious metals you have accumulated.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • braindeadus

    To all who will vote for Mitt are Obama thanks for the destruction of the America.

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      They are still in denial…..cannot compute that they are being lied to by both parties. The Liberal Left comment accusation above is fairly typical of a brain dead response. Pathetic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      these loyal republicans would vote in Satan if the party endorsed him

      they don’t even have a clue that what they are doing is not only against THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST but the rest of ours as well

      I for one resent their ignorance
      There is no excuse for it
      Einstein said doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity

  • Amalia

    Mitt picked the better man!

    • Chris

      Right……..for “himself”…………he picked an anti-union idiot.

    • Gustav

      I think it is a shame that this great Nation can only produce crooks for government.
      Is there really not any REAL people who can make this work for everybody with most of the peoples’ support? Not only special interests. Let’s call a spade a spade. If you buy a company, split it up, sack the employees…then you make a lot of money. BUT is that something to be admired for?? In other countries that has a name “Corporate raiders” and they go to jail. Here they are supported by like minded and given a chance to run the biggest company in the world; The USA. Do you really think they are in it to do good?? Or do you consider yourself to be in the same league. If so I can understand all this bickering because you want to be around where the money is flowing. If you on the other hand is an average Joe or whatever…then other things have to happen than letting the same take place all over again

  • Ron

    here we have one idiot trying to promote another. get your head out of your backside John.

  • Waldomountainman

    Waldomountainman says:
    August 22, 2012 at 8:09 am
    WOW I think someone got up on the radical side of the bed this morning, I believe some have gotten lost in their hate for Obuma and their disappointment their Paul did not get nominated. The situation is one we have to deal with and put our best foot foward, Romney/Paul can do this with our support and careful watch but if we keep bitching and groaning and threatning to write in then we will go down in flames and let Obuma be re-elected. It is time to pull together and let what cannot be go and do what is best considering the situation, this is not the less of two evils.
    Have all the moaners stopped long enough to think of how much more damage Obuma can do with four more years?
    Has anyone considered the ages of the supreme court members? Most are in their eighties and probably won’t last another four years not to mention all the hundreds of other for life appointments he can make. There is a lot riding on this election, probably more than at any other time in the history of this country and if we do not all pull together to make the best of what we have then I fear total destruction of this country as we know it.

    “Life is understood looking backwards but it must be lived fowards”- Soren Kierkegaard

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      And the guy with the deciding vote for Obama Care on the Supreme Court was put in there by whom? How did that work out?

      • Ron

        just another Judas. it happens.

    • BERNADINE

      Like the bible says the only power the devil has is to rule the fool who believe him.
      GOING BACK TO GODS LAWS is the best way forward. god bless you all

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      WE ARE EXCERCISING OUR RIGHT TO VOTE

      you must be a communists if you don’t think we have that right

      • Ted Crawford

        You are correct Rhonda, however, simply because one has the right to do a thing does not guarantee that to exercise that right is the wisest choice!

      • Belinda

        you crack me up.

  • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

    Romney doesn’t even have the nomination yet…….and doesn’t deserve it either as he will do NOTHING!! Same as Obama. Wake up.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-trice/gop-scared-ron-paul_b_1814846.html

  • Chris

    Right…………there “IS” no choice! Right…………he picked the wrong Paul.

  • Ell

    Our only hope to save the American Dream – Romney / Ryan in 2012 !

    • Gustav

      Dream on…

    • braindeadus

      you are clueless

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      Ha, yeah Easter Bunny/Santa Claus 2012.

      • Airangel

        Careful you’re starting to sound like the rabbid liberal left

  • Louis Lemieux

    A real libertarian like Ron Paul would bring chaos into our society. Way too many would be using their freedom to step on their neighbor’s freedom.

    • braindeadus

      you are full of sh———it

      • Airangel

        You Ron Paul supporters are a bit mean! You’re starting to sound like the liberal left with the name calling. Bottom line you just have to look at the turn out for Ron Paul during the primaries. The support was bland. He won’t get the votes and the % he does get will take away any chance of beating Obama since we already know between Holder, Axlerod, the government Unions and Obama that they will pay, bus, steal, sue states and literally garner votes any way they can legally and illegally!

      • Chester

        With Ron Paul in office, who is going to stop you from taking what your neighbor has if you have more guns and a bigger fist? Under true libertarianism, my right to swing my fist extends to the point just before it touches the tip of your nose, but who is going to enforce that right if you are knocked down and out? Supposedly, the rest of society will, but the only way they can is by violating MY rights. Take a real good long look at what libertarianism is before you go saying anyone believing that it is the only way to go is the man to follow.

      • DaveH

        Chester says — “With Ron Paul in office, who is going to stop you from taking what your neighbor has if you have more guns and a bigger fist?”.
        Actually with a Libertarian Society, you are not allowed to trespass on your neighbor’s body or property, Chester. Whether we enforce that with Government or Private means is beside the point. But you could learn what a Libertarian believes by simply reading this book, so that next time you speak about Libertarians you can speak from a knowledgeable point of view:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

  • Theresa

    Ron Paul is in his 70′s had to many quirks. A good man with some good Ideas.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      I love his QUIRK OF FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION

  • Corkey

    The difference between Romney and Obama. Obama will continue the assault on liberty and continue to spend the country into bankruptcy. Romney will continue the assault on liberty, cut entitlements, redirect the money saved into more unnecessary military spending and continue to spend the country into bankruptcy. Gee, what a choice!!

    • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

      Unfortunately, Corkey, that is the choice. Pushing people to vote for Ron Paul or the other Libertarian will leave us with Obama. Obama is only part way to his goal of “Fundamentally transforming” the United States. If I had had a vote in the final decision, I might have voted for Ron, but I didn’t have input in that decision. Now the die is cast and we have the choice we have. All we are left with is an argument about what might, or should, have been, which is an exercise in futility. We should quit fighting about what was, and start working on a joint effort to protect our country from whatever comes as a result of past events, which we cannot change by blaming each other. Join a TEA party or some other far seeing group and start working for the future of this wonderful country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Nope Norman it’s already been decided….electronic voting machines assure our votes mean nothing

        no way to check them is there?

        and the IT guy who testified about the Bush election rigging was mysteriously killed in an airplane crash along with his little kid and his briefcase was missing….,what a coincidence

        OUR VOTES MEAN NOTHING UNLESS WE ALL BUCK THE SYSTEM AND OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT A CANDIDATE….and that will never happen because the public is too brainwashed

    • Mimi

      Corey, though you believe what you are saying, you are as they say these days, soooo wrong in your facts. You are simply rehashing the lame stream media crap. If you have genuinely listened to what Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have stated as their vision, platform etc., it is vastly different from what you are saying, and what Obama has said and done. It’s ideologically different, and you are so hopelessly entrenched. The contrast between the extreme left wing that’s running the party now, and the conservatives is obvious, if your ears work. But if you are deliberately and hopelessly deaf, that’s your choice.

    • Belinda

      He will protect medicare for all us and keep our country from going bankrupt. He will bring jobs into the United states and not pay using American tax dollars to import them to other countries. He will not give to our enemies.He will stop Obama-care. Obama said that money to be derived for Obamacare would come from fraud.
      http://www.policymed.com/2012/04/medicare-fraud-the-case-of-hhs-spending-77-million-to-find-7591-in-fraud.html

  • Airangel

    I have listened to Paul Ryan challenge the President and think Mitt picked him because he knows numbers and they don’t lie….they have called for an audit of the Feds…we need to beat Obama and any votes thrown to Ron Paul will ensure Obama wins – period. Ron Paul did not win the primary, not even close and he won’t win the Presidency, anyone with common sense knows this. He is irrelevant with the mass population, sorry but it’s true so thousands of votes for him will take those votes away from Romney/Ryan and push us onto four more years of disaster with Obama. I agree on military, they are exhausted, worn out and on multiple deployments but Obama hates them, sues agaisnt their rights and threatens to cut pay by 50% while he grows government with rogue agencies…Obama HAS TO GO or it won’t matter down the road, we will have tyranny and probably no more elections. America will be an impoverished, Government encampment cesspool like Mexico – don’t be stupid, Romney/Ryan need every vote to count..if Ron Paul won the primary, I’d vote for him but he did not excite people to get out for him. The unions and liberal thugs will be paying illegals, ignorant people that normally would not vote to vote. They will bus them, tell them how to vote for a meal a few hundred, etc. Team Obama will beg, borrow, sue and steal to get votes and we need four to his one since we already know it will be crooked! Ron Paul needs to bow out gracefully and start supporting the republican ticket to defeat the Obama machine! He can still be powerful and continue pushing to end Afghan and to audit the Fes. We need to be smart about this.

    • braindeadus

      I would vote for Ron Paul because Mitt & Obama are one in the same.

      • Airangel

        Well then you will be voting FOR Obama plain and simple. Ron Paul can help in a key position in Congress but he is irrelevant for President and I’m not being mean about that. He simply doesn’t enthuse the masses and this race will be 50% for Obama and hand outs (the takers) and 50% Romney/Ryan (the makers in this country)…Ron Paul followers will Rob the Pro-American ticket by thousands of votes that could be the deciding factor…it’s common sense when you look at the numbers and the lack of support Ron Paul received in the primaries. Stop being selfish and help us oust Obama!

      • DaveH

        Stop being Manipulative, Airangel. It makes you sound like a Liberal.

      • DaveH

        Airangel says — “He simply doesn’t enthuse the masses”.
        The masses don’t know who he is or what he truly stands for, because the Establishment Propaganda machine that you are rubber-stamping, Airangel, has done their best to silence his voice. Why is that? If he’s really a “kook”, a “nutcase”, or any of the other things he is called, then why doesn’t the Establishment Media let him speak so people can see that? The short answer to that is PROPAGANDA.
        And anybody who chooses the Establishment Candidate is just Underwriting more of the same.

      • SamFox

        Airangel, you are wrong. A vote for Mitt is still a vote for 0. The lesser of two evils is still evil & I am not sure Mitt is all that less an evil. Ryan is a CINO-RINO, as is Mitt. Look at all the big govt Ryan voted for. And don’t forget RomCare, which 0′s peeps used to build the Frankenstein HC monster. Also don’t forget, the R wing of the Big Government Party was working on a HC bill before 0 came along.

        Don’t count Ron Paul out just yet. Like ol’ Casey Stengel used to say, “It aint over till it’s over!”

        Good thing Ron Paul didn’t quit the race.

        SamFox

    • Gustav

      It takes time for a big ship to turn (America), and you play the cards you have been dealt.
      With that in mind, what would You have done differently than the sitting government who was dealt cards with a not so bright daddy’s boy all over them?

      When it comes to rigging elections, well don’t throw stones sitting in a glasshouse…

      • steve

        just because a country can print money doesn’t mean it’s the right decision. the government should have let the banks go out of business just like any other would have failed. but they are in bed with the world banks . GM should have gone bankrupt. now the unions own the company and the government screwed the bond holders. brilliant move obama. i could go on but why bother. what’s done is done. and even though i did not mention bush that doesn’t take him of the hook either. the political system is the problem .get rid of it , then you can start to turn things around and it will take a long time.

      • SamFox

        Gustav, problem: 0 is steering the boat the same direction GWB was. Only thing 0 has done diff is increase the boat’s speed. We are nearing the ice burg of financial collapse at a greater speed than when Bush was captain.

        Ron Paul is the only one who would turn the boat 180′.

        Romney might do a couple of ‘swerve maneuvers’ to deceive, but I doubt, based on Mitt’s record & blatant two faced duplicity, that he would actually turn the boat 180′.

        SamFox

    • DaveH

      Airangel says — “Ron Paul did not win the primary, not even close and he won’t win the Presidency”.
      The primary isn’t over, Airangel, or haven’t you heard?
      And your claim that he can’t win the Presidency is based on what?
      Romney couldn’t even secure the primary in 2008. McCain won that one. And Obama beat McCain even though Obama was relatively unheard of at the time. Now he’s had 4 years of Face Time and Promises of Wealth Redistribution behind him to attract all the trough-feeders and voters who operate at the lizard-brain level.
      Obama’s team will make short work of the hypocrites Romney and Ryan.
      Can you say Establishment Republicans?
      Can you say Four More Years of Big Government Growth?

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        FOR PROOF ALL THESE ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED EXAMIINE 2008 PRIMARY

        McCain was sucking hind teat until at the very last minute he soared to win the primary?

        Obviously rigged. Just like Romney’s inability to draw a crowd larger than 100 when Ron Paul was drawing thousands during the primaries. obvious to me….how come you can’t see that?

      • DaveH

        Are you talking to me?
        If so, I have no idea what you base that on.
        How the GOP stole the nomination from Ron Paul:
        http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=154033

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        No doubt in my mind, they rigged the last election and they’re gonna rig this one too!!!

      • Belinda
    • Karen

      I agree. We have seen this is previous elections. Any votes for Libertarians or Green Party, are simply votes taken away from the Republicans and thus, give the election to the Demonrats.

      • DaveH

        Any votes given to Non-Freedom-Loving candidates are votes that could have helped to elect Freedom-Loving politicians, Karen. Thanks for helping the Progressives further weaken our Freedom and Prosperity, Karen.

      • Karen

        Were you not paying attention to the primaries???? Romney was not my choice! However, if we want Obama out of office, you have to realize, that voting for Romney/Ryan is the ONLY way to make that happen!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Ron Paul got cheated in the primaries..,..everybody knows the dirty things the RNC did breaking every rule, disqualifying Paul delegates illegally

      THAT is why we would never vote for Romney

      • DaveH
      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        For that matter, that is why I will never vote for any Republican from here on out. I was always an Independent, but after the way this cycle turned out, the Republicans have demonstrated they are not worthy of our trust anymore, and haven’t been in a long, long time.

        For the first time in my life I have affiliated myself with a party now, and I’m 44 yrs old.

        I am now a Libertarian, and an thoroughly at peace with that decision, and never again will I be voting for a party, or an individual, that I can’t trust, and who I know isn’t serious about standing against the illegal out-of-control governmental expansion.

        The government, in this country, does not have the right to dictate to us how we will live our lives, and neither does my neighbors.

        It is long overdue that we got back to that.

        We’re committing national suicide if we continue to play the Progressive’s shell-game they are playing with the Democrat and Republican wings of their movement.

        If any of you have any lick of sense whatsoever, just stop swallowing the propaganda, stop ignoring the corruption on both sides as “well, it is just politics”, and stop swooning over a candidate who won’t tell you what he really thinks and what he really means.

        Oh, and especially you Republicans… read, re-read, and read again, and understand, what the Republican’s mission statement is supposed to be about. Read about what the Republicans stood for, and what the Whigs were about, at the time when the Republicans replaced them as the Democrat’s dancing partner.

        Think hard about what they were, what those principles the Republicans claim to champion, are, and then think hard, about, if those principles are what they believe, then why do they vote the way that they do, and why, after protesting the Democrat’s legislative activity when they’re in the minority, when they finally have the majority and can do something about it, all of a sudden, they have no interest in fixing it?

        They make for good show, to keep the Dems and Reps fighting with each other, over nonsense the fed gov’t isn’t even supposed to be involved in to begin with. Sleight of hand… distraction… keep looking over here, don’t mind the guy behind the curtain, nothing to see there, the birth control mandate is what’s really important, just keep looking at that.

        Nonono, nothing important you need to see, that’s why there is all-day coverage of the baseball doping hearings, that’s what you need to pay attention to… and don’t even get me started of the month-after-month total governmental coverage black-out during the OJ trial…

        Awfully convenient when these events come up, just as we have major legislation about to hit the floor that they don’t want the public to pay attention to, isn’t it?

        This isn’t how honest government, and honorable representation, works… this isn’t our government anymore, and this isn’t our country anymore… the Dems and the Reps, have no interest in returning it to us, We The People…

        The Libertarians, are interested… they deserve our support… not because they’ll win this time, because few will, but they need a good showing. A good showing, will show more fence-sitters, that we’re serious, and more will get off the fence for next time… and more still, next time…

        Unless… we keep listening to the Dems and the Reps, telling us, what the questions should be, and that we need to have a conversation.

        We’ll, tell them, what the questions are, and we’re having the conversation. They aren’t, because then, they’ll have to answer them. They can’t have that. Direct answers from them, to our direct questions, will wipe them out.

        How are we supposed to elect someone, to the most, arguably, powerful job in the country, if they are too cowardly to answer direct questions, and tell us, what they really think? Why the acting job? A man who knows what he thinks, has no problem telling you what he thinks. He doesn’t need a teleprompter, he doesn’t need to rehearse, he doesn’t need to memorize a whole set of focus-group-tested sound bites that he can pick out of the air and throw at you to deflect your direct question, without answering, while making you feel “gosh, he’s smart! I should vote for him!”, completely oblivious to the reality, that he ignored you, and slips that line of BS past your lips without you even noticing the awful taste.

        We need better than our choices, we deserve better than our choices.

        The political fight of the new century isn’t Democrat vs Republican… they’re both on the same side…

        The political fight now, is Progressive vs Libertarian… the Dems and Reps are with the Progs… I know where I’m voting… do you really know yourselves?

        Are you ok with voting for another Progressive, keeping the Progressives in office another term, just because they’re wearing a different jersey?

        Really?

        At what point, will any of you, put your foot down, and say “enough”… no more… we’ve let you two drag us to this point kicking and screaming, and we’re done, and we’re not taking another step towards where you two want to take us. This is not our country, and this is not our government, and we want them back.

        Oh… and most importantly… THEY AREN’T YOUR DAMNED VOTES!

        They belong to us. You’re not entitled to them, we don’t owe them to you, and you have no right to tell us if we wasted them or not.

        We vote for who we honestly think is the best man for the job, we don’t vote for anybody just because we don’t like the current job-holder. That’s just stupid.

        Any vote we cast, just because the person isn’t someone else, if we don’t honestly believe that the man isn’t the best one for the job? That’s when we’ve wasted our vote.

        Don’t be one of those “Well, I really wanted X, but I voted for Y instead, because I didn’t wanna waste my vote.” idiots. Think for yourself, vote for yourself. It is the only vote you got, make it mean something.

        – Smoov

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It doesn’t matter if you vote for the democraps OR the republicraps. You will GET the SAME thing you’ve been getting for DECADES!!! You WANT MORE of THAT?!? If you have ANY integrity, you will vote for the person who will restore our RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!!! NOT the CRAP they TELL you to vote for!!!

      • Belinda

        So you are saying if we don’t vote for Ron Paul we are crap?

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        I’ll say it…

        Tho it isn’t about Ron Paul at all, it is about the Progressives…

        If you’re for Progressivism, then you’ll vote for either the Dem or Rep candidates, and if you’re not for Progressivism, your only other alternative is to vote Libertarian or for one of the other non-Progressive-owned parties.

        Our election this fall, we have both the Democrats, and the Republicans, putting forth Progressive candidates.

        It doesn’t matter which one you vote for, so long as you stay inside that little Dem-vs-Rep box they like to keep you in, you’re not really voting against the real power base in DC, and that is the Progressives.

        If you vote for Obama, then you support the Progressives…
        If you vote for Romney, then you support the Progressives…

        That’s what it is about… it isn’t about Ron Paul at all… it is about voting against the Progressives. Period.

        That is the real fight.

        – Smoov

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, I am saying that IF you vote for the democraps OR the republicraps, YOU WILL GET CRAP!!! Don’t twist my words! They speak for themselves!!!

        Gosh, you remind me of the liberal shills on this website who twist words and avoid the topic at hand. Are you paid by the republicans to stir things up and move Libertarians toward romney?!?

      • Belinda

        And you are l00 percent sure that the libertarian in the white house will be any better. What you don’t seem to take into consideration is that president will have the republican lead congress, perhaps the democratic lead senate to contend with. This libertarian president will not be a dictator like Obama wants to be and will have partisan groups to contend with.The only way to get l00 percent libertarian views is to take control of all the houses.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        I can’t speak for the other poster, but I’m 100% sure it would be better, yeah.

        Then, both the Dems and Reps, would have to work together to push things through with enough votes to override the Libertarian president’s veto, and the rest of you will finally get a real good look at what the Dems and Reps REALLY care about.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        And you think that is all it would take to get the democrats and republicans to work together. Must be nice to dream so.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        yet again, you miss the point…

      • Belinda

        You say if there is a Libertarian president, republican congress and democratic senate they will have to work together.That is one possibility; however; the other is bigger turmoil than we have now.That is in the realm of possibilities.

      • Belinda

        You compliment me. to think I would be paid to give my opinion. I am a sixty-one year old grandmother. I wish I were paid.
        Funny thing is you definitely remind me of the heavily starched unyielding far left liberals, That is the unending eery faint feeling I get when I hear all the I hate the American process and all the parties and all the leaders Americans have chosen to represent us in these United States. I definitely do not like some of them and what some of them do, but I do know there are those who serve us well. I also know that I would defend the right of all to be a part of the process, including the libertarians.
        Until we all get out of this hate process and try to work together for the good of our nation, none of us will succeed. If the libertarians want to take over the United States, they will not be starting at the top. They will start at the bottom and work their way up, start by becoming the senators, the congressman, at local levels also. That is when your dream to take over the America as we know it lies. Be always aware that in the next election, you leader can be voted out also.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, your attack convinces me further that you ARE a shill!!! No one on the face of the earth could EVER say that they heard me say ANYTHING that could be construed as liberal, let alone left wing!!! Your tactics to discredit me are ridiculous! It would seem that your only purpose here, is to try and convince people to vote for romney. Nothing you say presents ANY reason to vote for him. You offer nothing to sway anyone’s opinion or to convince us that he’s the “right” man for the job. All you do is make accusations that it will be OUR fault if obumass wins! The fault lies with those who chose romney, a man who is clearly not ideologically, someone that everyone can get behind! Unless “they”, the republicrap party gives us a candidate that we can get behind, they will lose and they KNOW it!!! I believe that they chose a candidate that they KNEW would lose! The agenda MUST go forward!!!

  • http://personalliberty.com Sheldon

    I have predicted before that there will be no change, I repeat NO CHANGE in our federal government. If you did not like Obama I believe there will be the same dislike for Romney and whom he has as Vice President. My reasoning is based on history, scripture from the Holy Bible, and the attitude of the american people. Such things must happen for this country to collapse and the Lord Jesus Christ to return to earth. Not only this country but the entire economy of the world. As it is right now there must be more tribulations before Jesus shuts the system down. We are only players in this world and God has a purpose but most people are neither listening nor paying attention. There is too much greed, selfishness, and ignorance of Holy Scripture. When Noah built the Ark, only eight people were saved. Do you think you will be saved? Maybe, maybe not. REPENT, AND ASK FOR GOD’S FORGIVENESS AND HE MAY SAVE YOU BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

    • Gustav

      GET REAL

      Religion is the root to most wars on the planet and has been that for 2012 years and counting….

      • steve

        so you have no problem with ceasar and the boy’s being dictators before the birth of christ? seems to me you can go back to adam and eve and your boy satan

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        you couldn’t be more wrong…..GREED is the root of all wars

      • steve

        rhonda you should read 1john 5;19. then you will see who controls our planet. not greed

    • nc

      Sheldon, I have a reality question! How many innocent children and pregnant women did a “benevolent” God kill in the great flood?

      • steve

        if you read the bible account of noah bubba, you will see that god considered on;y noah and his family faithful and that’s why everyone else died. people were like a cancer to him so he removed the problem. his ball park , his bat and ball.

      • DaveH

        What about the innocent men, and the non-pregnant women, NC? Don’t be a bigot.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        not innocent….they were judged corrupt

      • JeffH

        The Hope And The Change – Official Movie Trailer
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lLelSaD1zHU#!
        The surprising personal journeys of 40 Democrats and Independents from across America who supported Obama in 2008.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      AMEN Sheldon….that’s the real problem…..they have seperated themselves from the Lord and call good, evil and evil, good

      and they will reap what they sow

      Ron Paul is the only TRUE CHRISTIAN candidate we had compared to Romney the Mormon and Obama the ????

      • Belinda

        So you are taking as your privilege the right to judge the degrees of a person’s Christianity or that they are even a Christian.
        Talk about arrogance…

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        the bible says you wil know a tree by it’s FRUIT

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I will repeat what Rhonda said because its so powerful! (thanks, Rhonda)
        They have separated themselves from the LORD and call good, evil and evil, good!
        Belinda, it won’t be man who judges, it will be GOD!!!

      • Belinda

        Thank God

    • Liberty4Me

      Sheldon writes ” When Noah built the Ark, only eight people were saved.” Now there is a loving and all powerful god that I can get behind. Such benevolence is usually only reserved for Satan.

      • Belinda

        Do you propose to judge God himself?

      • SamFox

        Belinda, good article. Ron Paul is the best of all in the race, including Gary Johnson. Gary is good, but Ron Paul is great.

        That said, GJ would still be better than Mitt.

        SamFox

      • Belinda

        That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. But just so you know, many do not agree with that. Sorry.

      • SamFox

        So Belinda, you are saying that Mitt is better than Gary Johnson?

        Gary at least believes in smaller govt & the Constitution. That govt should be reduced & real cuts in real spending are the order of the day, IF we want to save the USA from financial collapse. Just like Ron Paul.

        On Paul’s budget plan runs circles around Ryan’s. Even Rand Paul’s plan beats the snot out of Ryan’s.

        My dog is better than Mitt. And Vlad rides in the back of my truck. :-)

        Since this site doesn’t take me to the place where you were talking/replying about Mitt & Gary Johnson, I am not sure where this will post.

        SamFox

      • SamFox

        @ Sheldon, not Belinda or Liberty4Me.

        I take it Shel, that you don’t know much about Elohim [God] or the Bible.

        What the Great I AM was doing is preserve the line of people from which Mary, Yeshua’s [Jesus'] mother, would come. The world had become so corrupt that Elohim had to intervene or the line of what would be Yeshua’s physical side of ancestry would not have made it. Since there were only 8 left who still followed what they knew Elohim willed for their best interest, He chose them.

        If Yeshua’s ancestors had been corrupted there could be no Messiah. Father was also working to keep the promise He made to Adam & Eve about a future redeemer.

        Not to mention since Elohim, the Great I Am, the Self Existent One, MADE the earth & people, He was withing His rights. HE is the one who owns ALL creation. Still, He lets you run your own life if you so choose. I don’t chose that any more because Father knows best.

        The Bible says it, that settles it & I believe it! :-)

        Yeshua Anointed. [Jesus Christ.]. Give yourself to Him. HE IS SO AWESOME! He really did rise from death…if not, if I was alive after the 60′s :-) , I’d be dong my old religion of sex, drugs & rock ‘n roll. When I asked Jesus into my heart & life & asked Him to forgive my sin, HE DID! He made me able to know He responded to that simple prayer. He, via His Holy Spirit, made me so aware of His indwelling presence…there are no words…He put the witness of Himself in my inner most being just like He said in the New Covenant {Testament]. .

        SamFox

  • merid

    if ron Paul was the choice then he would be in this. He is only causing more people to vote for 4 more years with this administration. Please be quiet and let the democratic process work. I found him very scarey…I agree with Harold…you didn’t win Ron Paul..get over it.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear merid,

      You write: “He is only causing more people to vote for 4 more years with this administration.” Please explain how this is so.

      You write: ” I found him very scarey…” What about freedom and liberty frightens you, exactly?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Chester

        I can’t answer for the gentleman addressed, but Ron Paul scares the pants off me, too. I want no one in the president’s office who thinks we can go back to living totally off what resources we have in country, importing nothing and exporting nothing. We tried that once and met the result just about a hundred years ago. Isolationism is NOT a good thing to practice, as the world does go on around us. Also, if we do NOT defend our rights and the rights of those who more or less agree with us outside our borders, are we going to be ready to defend them INSIDE our borders? Personally, I would rather fight a war on your ground than mine.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Chester,

        You write: “I want no one in the president’s office who thinks we can go back to living totally off what resources we have in country, importing nothing and exporting nothing.” Please cite for me one quote or policy position stated by Ron Paul in which he advocates not trading with other countries.

        You write: “Also, if we do NOT defend our rights and the rights of those who more or less agree with us outside our borders, are we going to be ready to defend them INSIDE our borders?” Please cite for me one quote or policy position stated by Ron Paul in which says he will not defend our rights or our country.

        You write: “Personally, I would rather fight a war on your ground than mine.” Please cite for me one quote or policy position stated by Ron Paul in which he indicated he would rather fight a war in America than elsewhere.

        Your have succumbed to a false message espoused by the GOP and their propaganda arm the MSM. You have fallen for the big lie.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Chester says — “I want no one in the president’s office who thinks we can go back to living totally off what resources we have in country, importing nothing and exporting nothing”.
        You couldn’t be more wrong, Chester. Ron Paul believes in trading Peaceably with other countries, not at the point of a gun. It is the establishment candidates who believe in picking and choosing the Trade winners.
        Ron Paul’s Trade stance:
        “America is the greatest nation in human history. Our respect for individual liberty, free markets, and limited constitutional government produced the strongest, most prosperous country in the world. But, we have drifted far from our founding principles”.
        From:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

      • DaveH
      • Belinda

        What are Ron Pauls views of helping Israel?

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Belinda,

        You write: “What are Ron Pauls views of helping Israel?” He would treat them like all other countries friendly to America. What more help do they need?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        My question to you, Belinda, is — What right do you have to contribute my money to a charity that I don’t approve?
        If you want to support Israel, fine. But keep your hands out of my pockets.

      • The GLB

        To Belinda @ 11:15 am:

        ‘Tis amazing that one could be against local welfare, but support international welfare. –The GLB

        Just because Ron Paul and I do NOT support International Welfare does NOT mean that we do NOT support Israel.

    • braindeadus

      Mitt & Ryan what a joke this election is over thanks republicans for four more years of Obama.

      • Mimi

        You come by your name legitimately.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Yep….chalk up another intentional loss for the RNC

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      If LIBERTY scares you then you should not vote at all….you should be AFRAID to go to the polls.

      This unbridled TIMIDITY isn’t the American spirit….you guys act like WHIPPED DOGS grovelling and showing your belly

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      merid, the democratic process DOES NOT work by forcing someone to vote for a candidate that they DO NOT want!!! You are sorely deluded if you think that it does!!! The democratic process (we are a republic btw, not a democracy) requires that everyone vote for the candidate that reflects their values AND will do the best job! If you have ANY integrity at all, you will vote for the person that you think will uphold the constitution of this country and will restore our FREEDOMS!!! If not, you deserve what you get, regardless of who you vote for! So, go ahead and practice the TRUE democratic process!

  • WhatIsLiberty

    Our options this November is socialism or fascism. Fantastic.

    • steve

      finally someone with the right facts

      • steve

        maybe i should have said truth

    • Airangel

      No your options are Obama the American way of life “DESTROYER” or Romney the Pro-American way of life “RESTORER”!! You Ron Paul tribe will ensure another Ross Perot upset and America will be worse off with four more years of Obama. You will see more violence, more anger, more animosity, more division because of the Obama rhetoric, executive orders, military pay slash, expanded Government entities, more impoverishment, more illegal invasion, etc. The core of Romney and Ryan are good, successful men, not perfect but who the masses will vote for that are anti-Obama. Ron Paul will get thousands of votes if he doesn’t bow out but that’s it and those could make the difference of Obama staying in power.

      • DaveH

        “Romney the Pro-American way of life “RESTORER””?
        Surely you jest, Airangel?
        Romney rammed RomneyCare down the throats of Massachusetts citizens.
        In 2004, when the Clinton-era federal assault weapons ban expired, he signed a permanent one at the state level.
        Romney supported Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” boondoggle.
        Romney said — “I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that.”.
        Romney said — “I’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much energy as does a Japanese citizen. We can do a lot better.”.
        Does these things sound even remotely like things a True Conservative would do or say?

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        who says that is our only option?

        just because you are too brainwashed to vote 3rd party you think you can force the rest of us not to? Stupid logic

        I predict the republican party will die off like the Whig party did

        They are too much like the democrats….we need a REAL opposition party now

      • Belinda

        Maybe the United states of America will no longer be a democracy or a republic where we are a free nation. Maybe the other party will be the communist Marxist socialist party. Is that better for you?
        Or would working to make the Republican party more to your liking. What is better and more reasonable to you?

      • Honest Al

        If it comes to an upset…Oh well! Some Americans just will not stomach the same drivel from election to election and watch the same players acting the role of conservative like
        bush 1 and seeing thousand points of life and a New world order…These so-called NEOCONS are financed by AIPAC and their zionist buds. I cast my vote once again toward liberty!

      • DaveH

        Belinda says — “Maybe the other party will be the communist Marxist socialist party. Is that better for you?”.
        Maybe that is a non-sequitur, Belinda. No maybe about it.
        Who would you rather take a car trip with, Belinda, a known murderer, or an unknown person?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WOW, Airangel!!! You have fallen for it, HOOK, LINE AND SINKER!!! Guess what?!? YOU’RE what’s for dinner!!!

      • Belinda

        She will not be alone. She will be in a school of nightly smart fishes.

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    Paul gets 6% of the vote…Paul is way wrong on drugs and blame America foreign policy…he should be in the cabinet though…whining about reality is what we all do but this election is about flushing the arrogant apostle of utopian socialism. I wonder if Myers was around when Perot gave us Klinton?
    We the People must pressure the GOP after the win…its by no means easy to oppose the liberal pawn press 24-7 attack as rolling back the ugly socialism/recession/loss of freedoms/debt begins in Feb…

    • Rob

      reelman1946,
      I can’t agree more. As I said in a post yesterday, I like Ron Paul, but there’s no way he can win the election, especially with one of the comments he made at one of the debates about 9/11 being our own fault. Not too many Americans like hearing statements like that. He needs to bow out gracefully and throw his support behind Romney. I do believe he would make a fine cabinet member along with Cain. Rand can learn from his father and utilize his experience further down the trail.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        wrong on durgs? Portugal cut drug use in half by decriminalizing in 10 years

        Maybe YOU are the one that is wrong on drugs

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        no way Ron Paul could get elected?

        Not with the defeatist attitude and sheer ignorance of the voters who vote as they are TOLD

    • DaveH

      Reelman says — “Paul is way wrong on drugs and blame America foreign policy”.
      Methinks, Reelman, that it is you who is wrong on both. Here’s your chance to correct that condition:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Romney is for the NDAA & patriot act., TARP, the federal reserve, nation building, …just like Obama

      where is the difference? I don’t see it—-SHOW ME SOME MAJOR DIFFERENCE !!!

      besides the R & D after their names

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        There is NO difference, Rhonda! Just different wrapping paper for a “gift” I DON’T WANT!!!

  • Corkey

    Ron Paul is still the best candidate. The American people are a bunch of MSM brainwashed knuckleheads who cannot think logically.

    • braindeadus

      right on

    • DaveH

      Mainly brainwashed by the Public School System. Even our wise Ancestors, 300 years ago, knew of the danger:
      http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

    • Mimi

      Get a grip Corkey, if the previous article didn’t enlighten you, I guess nothing will. Ron Paul is no longer a candidate. Get over it, and git er done! Four more years of Obama, and our country will be so weakened, we’ll be at the mercy of all terrorists, not to mention being relegated to serfdom by this Socialist and his Socialist administration. Socialism doesn’t work period. That’s been proven all over Europe in front of our very eyes. Can’t any of you get that through your brains?!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        can’t you get it through your THICK SKULL that Romneycare is socialism too?

      • Karen

        I fear you are right, Mimi. Obama got himself elected for the sole purpose of the destruction of America, from the inside.

      • WhatIsLiberty

        Because for some reason you cannot turn off the clap trap that is mainstream media – Ron Paul IS still in the race and can STILL be nominated from the floor at the RNC. Pull your head out of the sand – you necons supporting the statist quo is why this country is going to get exactly what it deserves – socialism or fascism.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Mimi, do you HONESTLY THINK that obumass DID THIS ALL BY HIMSELF in just 3 1/2 years?!? This HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS and it didn’t matter WHO was in office!!! obumass is JUST the icing on the cake, the one to blame! BOTH the republicans AND the democraps are following the SAME AGENDA!!! They are ALL OWNED by the powerful ones who pull the strings!!! It didn’t matter that we had 8 years of bush! He didn’t SAVE us! It won’t matter if we have 4 years of romney! They work for the SAME PEOPLE! BOTH parties are OWNED!!! Why do you think that NOTHING changes for the better, ONLY for the worse?!? Look back, as many years as you can remember. Did ANYONE try to turn this ship around?!? We ARE where we ARE because it was plotted and planned!!! NO ONE, including obumass could do this by themselves!!!

      • Belinda

        Another Blame it on Bush Obama wanttabe

      • Belinda

        How soon we all forget…September eleven….anyone…our world changed as we know it…

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        There are times, where I wish, I had actually read that book Arguing With Idiots, cuz I think it would help right now…

        Belinda… the 9/11 trump card lost its effectiveness a long time ago, it has no relevance to the issue at hand today.

        Retire that flash-card, and replace it with a new one.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        Over three thousand Americans loosing their lives at the hands of an enemy. Obama will not even acknowledge as terrorists and he just let one of the organizers loose.
        You don’t even acknowledge this point in time as important. Yet the founding of our country and getting back to the beginnings of our country, but an attack on the innocence of our country. Something that changed our country for ever in your lifetime, you say has no importance, is already forgotten.
        Where is the lunacy? I do not think it is me.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        I take issue with your assertion that it has changed our country forever. That isn’t the first time we’ve been directly attacked, and it won’t be the last.

        That event didn’t change our country. The events that followed, and many that occurred before, through our politicians, is what changed our country, and I don’t believe that change is ‘forever’…

        ‘forever’, implies hopelessness…

        It implies, that we can’t return to what we’re supposed to be.

        Some argue, that our straying from our purpose, had a direct contributing effect, to us having so many enemies today, and looking at it objectively, I cannot honestly stay they are wrong. We do LOVE to meddle in other people’s business, after all. It is only natural that those others, don’t like it, and will strike back. I know I would, if someone kept sticking their nose into my business, messing around with my life.

        I don’t agree with the attack, but I do understand it.

        We can’t just keep putting the blame on others, like Obama does, like both Progressive parties do with blaming each other constantly.

        We deserve some of the responsibility for our actions, and the results of those actions.

        This, is what conservatism is supposed to be about. Leaving people alone to live their lives, intervening if, and only if, they interfere with the rights of their neighbor.

        The world is bigger than your apparent limited worldview expresses.

        We aren’t the greatest country in the world anymore, and we haven’t been for a long time.

        Romney isn’t the kind of man who will do something about that, and if he was, his party, would not allow that to happen.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        For this generation it has changed America. We always felt safe above the fray. We always felt like the whole world loved us, and most of the world did love us. We found out that this was not so. We lost an innocence, naivete, if you will. We learned many lessons and we still have more to learn.
        Obama has brought a danger to our country. He did not learn a lesson. He does not see any danger. His letter the illegal immigrants a free pass, there is a danger.
        Tell me how many terrorist can walk on in to the United States and be welcomed in without little proof.
        I think there could be a fairer safer way to allow these immigrants to stay here.
        It is unfair to those who tried to do it the right way.
        I know a man who is 63 right now. He came into this country at the age of four from Germany. His mother married an American. He grew up in America. He went to school graduated, went and served honorably in Vietnam. He got out and then worked in the United States. In l997, he had a heart attack. He didn’t work for a while, didn’t drive, lost his car and finally was without a license. He had a job working at home for a while on his computer. He was registered to vote. He decided to get a job outside of the home and went to get his drivers license. This was after Sept. 11. He was unable to get his drivers license again. He had to get a birth certificate and then he had to go to Atlanta to see about getting his citizenship. He had to go many times and had to pay over two thousand dollars to get papers to apply for citizenship. Then he had to wait six years before they would give him his citizenship..

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Most of the world did not love us. That was political propaganda, nothing more.

        It would be more accurate to say, that most of the world, rolled their eyes at us, and rightfully so.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        I don’t know about that…It has always been, if something ever goes wrong in the world, whoever it is would look to us for help….and most of the time we would oblige.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Not always…

        But, the times you are most likely referring to, when we actually declared war proper, and cared more about winning than we did about appearances, have nothing to do with the kind of country we are today.

        Those times that I’m referring to, happened back when we still knew what greatness was really about.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        Are you sure that if Ron Paul were the president we would return to the position of one of the greatest nations? Maybe, but I do not know. I listened to him in the debates and he is a very likeable man,with smart ideas. Down to earth person.but a few ideas I was not so sure about and I am wondering if those policies would command respect for our country or make us up for ridicule.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        No, I don’t… I’m not so stupid as to believe that a single person in a single office has the kind of power to make that happen. Just that he would be a good start, and since he is the only one in DC right now that gives a damn, the best place for him is in the office that takes up such a big portion of what happens in DC.

        We won’t become “the greatest country” on the planet again, until we, collectively, finally yank our heads out of our collective asses, and stop trying to shove responsibility for our own failings on other people.

        We’re responsible for the state we’re in right now. We allowed it to happen, complacent, willfully ignorant.

        We’re too busy getting our pitchforks cuz someone saw a nipple on TV…

        We’re too busy giving a damn if a politician went for a skinny-dip overseas.

        We’re too busy trying to regulate what our citizens do when we’re out of the country in other countries’ jurisdictions, where we have no business imposing our laws.

        We’re too busy fighting about whether the gov’t should pay for birth control, when the debate was about religious freedom.

        We’re too busy pressing charges against teachers who hug their students.

        We’re too busy shutting down children’s lemonade stands.

        We’re too busy investigating steroid use in baseball.

        We’re too busy trying to dictate who can and can’t join their households together.

        We’re too busy fighting a war on drugs, while simultaneously being the biggest problem in said war. Legalization would end the vast majority of the problems, particularly when it comes to violence, and who the hell is anybody else to have any kind of say what I can or can’t put in my own damned body? My body is MINE, not the governments, not yours, not anybody else’s, and all of you can mind your own damned business… doesn’t matter what I choose to put in it or not put in it or where.

        We’re too busy trying to make the whole world kid-friendly that we can’t even be adults anymore, and we refuse to raise our children to be adult, raising them to stay children and never grow up and be responsible for their own actions.

        We’re too busy trying to hurt a restaurant chain, just because the top guy is pro-life.

        We’re too busy trying to stop people from getting the drink they want in the size that they want, and whether or not they can smoke in their own damned car.

        We’re too busy printing money and forcing our currency to inflate intentionally at an outrageous pace, weakening it to the point where other countries are abandoning it as their reserve currency of choice.

        We’re too busy taking offense at anything and yelling about how we have a right to not be offended, when the freedom to speak freely, requires that others be offended by it without the speaker having to live in fear for his safety by either the state or the citizenry.

        We’re too busy trying to save everyone from their choices, under the delusion that we know better than them what risk they deem acceptable to them.

        We’re too busy glued to the TV to keep up with Jersey Shore, and Jackass, and similar tripe, chasing every bit of selacious(sp?) gossip we can get our hands on about anyone ripe to be torn down, even our closest friends.

        We’re too busy avoiding letting people just be people, regardless if they are a celebrity, politician, rich, or commoner, sticking all of our labels all over them, dehumanizing them, making them conform to our own messed up ideas of who they are supposed to be, especially when we won’t even allow them to keep their private lives private.

        We’re too busy not pulling our pants up.

        We’re too busy not educating ourselves.

        We’re too busy not reading or writing fluently.

        We’re too busy not even knowing how to read an analog clock anymore.

        We’re too busy to learn how to do enough math to balance our checkbooks, or understand that you can’t spend more than you make, and what having debt, does to your financial security.

        We’re too busy keeping it real while at the same time, being anything but real.

        We’re too busy doing the same thing, day after day, year after year, election after election, and still expecting a different result.

        We’re too busy being told what the question is and that we need to have a conversation, to just have the conversation, ask our own questions, and not allow people to get off without actually answering them directly.

        We’re too busy keeping our collective heads stuck up our asses, clinging to our facade of superiority when we should be ashamed of ourselves.

        We’re too busy being afraid of standing up for ourselves, taking risks, reaching for high goals, and doing great things.

        No… we’re not a great country… and it will be a long, long time, before we will be again, if we ever will be. Not if we’re too afraid to make real, serious, changes, in our representation, and what we expect from them.

        We will never again, be a great country, if we aren’t willing to take an honest, critical, look, at what we have done, the consequences of our choices.

        We will never again, be a great country, if we don’t have the guts to vote for people, instead of against people.

        We will never again, be a great country, if we continue to choose mediocrity.

        We will never be able to address the problem, as long as we refuse to recognize what the problem is, in the first place.

        This is why we are not loved, as a country, all over the world. This is why, as a country, we are a laughing stock, by people from other countries, who have the luxury of looking at us from the outside, not caught up in all the crap that gets in our way, looking from within.

        We have no clue who we really are, anymore, and our choices demonstrate it.

        We need to make serious changes. We need to elect serious people. We need people who will tell us what they think, instead of what they think we want to hear. We need people who aren’t afraid to stand up against the status quo.

        We’ve become too complacent. Too wimpy. Too accepting of politics as usual, of choosing people, and not really knowing why we’re choosing them, other than we’re being told that it is the only choice we’re allowed to have.

        This isn’t greatness, and we’ll never be a great country again, so long as we’re not willing, to take the hard path, and make it great again.

        If we’re strong enough to take that path? Then maybe, someday, we’ll reach for greatness again, and possibly, actually touch it once more.

        – Smoov

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, if you were claiming that I’M another “blame it on bush” wannabe, you couldn’t be MORE mistaken! The point I was making is that ALL of them are following the SAME agenda and it ISN’T yours or mine! Blame it on those who pull the strings of BOTH parties! The party candidates are merely puppets for those with more money and more power! Until you realize that you will get more of the SAME!!!

        As far as your view on 911, if you choose to stick your head in the sand and accept the media view of what happened, you’re free to do so. But if you care to explore further, you will be shocked at the expert opinions and physical evidence out there that would lead to another conclusion. If you care to express your opinions as fact, you should at least do some reading and research! Accepting what your told and never looking any farther makes you sound ignorant.

  • http://libertydigest tina

    It’s about time people wake up. America’s true patriotism has been sorely taken advantage of. Romney is part of the “Bush Cabal”. GHW Bush who started the total destruction of America. His father “Prescott” worked for HItler for crying out loud. How in the world did GHW ever get into our CIA, and even worse President of the United States. He pushed the New World Order relentlessly. obama is finishing his work. Wake up people. Go to standupamericaus.org read article posted “America’s secret genocide on Veterans” this will make you sick. Study reports at tdarkcabalblogspot.com on Romney and Bush. Go to americannationalmilitia.com study. Do your homework. Don’t let the commie owned media spoon feed you. Both parties are one at present. Communist to say the least. Where has all our money gone. Study. No politician is going to fix the mess we are in today. We the People will. obama= The Biggest Crime In The History of The World. The truth will prevail. It may be hard to digest. They all must be held accountable. Top down.

    • Airangel

      Romney gave his ENTIRE inheritance to charity. (Obama barely paid the required 1%) Romney was an UNPAID intern in th Governments office for 8 years, he was an UNPAID state president for his church 10 years, he took NO PAY for the Salt Lake Olympics 3 years, Took NO SALARY as Mass state governor for 4 years. His wife is a breast cancer survivor and suffers MS. He has stood beside her throughout their marriage. Does any of this sound like a “taker”? He is a good man and twice the man Obama is. Ryan is also a great guy, even former Clinton likes his Medicare plan. Clinton was caught saying so when he thought the micraphone was off.

      Romney saved Baskin Robbins, Staples, Sports Authority, etc. The companies he couldn’t save would have gone under anyway through bad management. They enthuse a hopeless crowd and that is what’s needed to oust Obama. Romney knows how to create jobs, he and Ryan know how restore fiscal responsibility and they are BOTH PRO-USA! Ron Paul lost and needs to bow out gracefully and with some class. We can push for Rand Paul down the road be we must get rid of Obama NOW before the Anti-American team caps America at the knees like the bullies they are!

      • DaveH
      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Of course Ron Paul will bow out gracefully….but he will never stop talking about LIBERTY

        and those of us who believe in it will never vote for a globalist phony like Romney

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Air angel, SO WHAT?!? Whose agenda will he follow?!? THAT’S what matters!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Will he give us BACK our FREEDOM?!? Will he get rid of the patriot act and the ndaa? Will he get rid of the dept. of homeland security? Will he make the govt. agencies STOP spying on us? Will he get rid of 80% of the laws they have passed which none of US have ever heard of? Will he STOP government officials from giving OUR money to THEIR cronies? Will he kick the UN’s butt OUT of OUR country?!? I could go on and on and on, but I think the answer is a BIG FAT NOOOOOO!!! So, WHY would you vote for him?!?

    • Waldomountainman

      WOW I think someone got up on the radical side of the bed this morning, I believe some have gotten lost in their hate for Obuma and their disappointment their Paul did not get nominated. The situation is one we have to deal with and put our best foot foward, Romney/Paul can do this with our support and careful watch but if we keep bitching and groaning and threatning to write in then we will go down in flames and let Obuma be re-elected. It is time to pull together and let what cannot be go and do what is best considering the situation, this is not the less of two evils.
      Have all the moaners stopped long enough to think of how much more damage Obuma can do with four more years?
      Has anyone considered the ages of the supreme court members? Most are in their eighties and probably won’t last another four years not to mention all the hundreds of other for life appointments he can make. There is a lot riding on this election, probably more than at any other time in the history of this country and if we do not all pull together to make the best of what we have then I fear total destruction of this country as we know it.

      • Waldomountainman

        “Life is understood looking backwards but it must be lived fowards”- Soren Kierkegaard

      • DaveH
      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        silly logic…..Romney is just like Obama

        He won’t win because he’s fake….he was picked to lose— that is obvious

      • Belinda

        Romney and Obama are nothing alike.
        Romney is a successful businessman who knows how to run a successful business.. .Obama…no.
        Romney has a lot of experience running a state as Governor…Obama …no.
        Romney is a faithful and longstanding follower of his religion….Obama ..no
        (do we even know what he religion is..I sure don’t…Obama…no
        Romney knows something about economy….Obama no.
        Obama was successful as a community organizer, thus his prowess and cunning as a politician. Wonder why he did not make it as a lawyer.
        I could go on and on, but I have other things to do today.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Romneyh offshores millions to avoid paying taxes Belinda- we call that tax dodging
        Romney ran Massachusetts into enormous debt with Romneycare
        Romney is supported by the same big $ wall street banks Obama is
        Romney’s bain company got charged with 450,000,000 in medicare fraud
        Romney nor any of his 5 sons ever served in the military
        Romney’s religion is polytheistic, thinks they become gods after death, and believe Satan and Jesus are brothers….you want to talk about a kook?

        I could go on too…

      • DaveH

        Read this, Belinda:
        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-09/goldman-sachs-leads-split-with-obama-as-ge-jilts-him-too.html
        These same companies have been steering our politics for well over half a century. Quit being led around by the nose, Belinda.

      • DaveH
      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, do you think I care about ANY of those things?!? I care about whether he’s going to restore our FREEDOMS and return this country to GREATNESS!!! Will he do THOSE things?!? NO, HE WILL NOT!!! So why on EARTH would I vote for HIM??? In THOSE respects, he is NO different than obumass!!!

      • Belinda

        He will change the direction that Obama has lead this country into. First of all his apology tour where he bowed down the the enemy and snubbed our allies. He wont be saying bad things when he thought no one was hearing about our allies Israel. He won’t be talking ill of our servicemen. He wont be treating any of us who disagree with him as enemies of the country. He want tell us those who work to have what they do that they didn’t do it.If there is an oil spill he won’t have to have unions to help clean it up even though they volunteered and were experienced. He won’t use every opportunity for a photo opt. When money is tight and deficit growing he won’t give Brazil millions of dollars to drill oil so they can sell to other countries. He won’t make deals with other countries to throw away our defense systems. On the National Day of Prayer, he will actually have a prayer and it not be a time to politic for his tax increase.His answer to gas is to get us to buy an expensive car. He must think we all are rich. I am afraid of them, even if I could afford them. they catch on fire and catch your house on fire. I have heard that in a few years the battery has to be replaced and cost from six to ten thousand dollars to replace. That tells me he does not know about the normal person who lives in America. Maybe Clooney can buy such a car.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’ll say it again, Belinda!

        Belinda, do you think I care about ANY of those things?!? I care about whether he’s going to restore our FREEDOMS and return this country to GREATNESS!!! Will he do THOSE things?!? NO, HE WILL NOT!!! So why on EARTH would I vote for HIM??? In THOSE respects, he is NO different than obumass!!!

  • Chuck Case

    You blew this call. Unfortunately, Libertarian philosophy is too extreme to to defeat Obama.
    Small steps. Romney/Ryan will infuse confidence in business right away! They will also help to provide the morale boost that citizens need. It will take time to steer the great ship that is America back to the right path.

    • Liberty Lover

      Exactly right, Chuck.

      • DaveH

        If you believe in what Chuck promotes, you are no Liberty Lover.

    • Cliffystones

      I’m reminded about the joke where a guy asks a gas station attendant directions. His reply is “you can’t get there from here”.

      I love Libertarian principles in theory. Even some socialist ideas look good on paper. But we need to be thoughtful, careful and systematic if we are to return this country to it’s original principles. Way too many people think gubmint handouts are “rights”, and will need to be re-educated over time.

    • DaveH

      Chuck says — “You blew this call. Unfortunately, Libertarian philosophy is too extreme to to defeat Obama”.
      You know this HOW, Chuck?
      Please explain what is “extreme” about Libertarian philosophy.

      • DaveH

        For those who would really like to explore Libertarian philosophy as explained by one of the Greatest Thinkers of our time — Murray Rothbard:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

      • Anthony

        Here is just the tip of the iceberg Dave67

        Even as we pass judgment on countries we consider unfree, Americans remain confident that any definition of a free nation must include their own — the land of free. Yet, the laws and practices of the land should shake that confidence. In the decade since Sept. 11, 2001, this country has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The most recent example of this was the National Defense Authorization Act, signed Dec. 31, which allows for the indefinite detention of citizens. At what point does the reduction of individual rights in our country change how we define ourselves?

        While each new national security power Washington has embraced was controversial when enacted, they are often discussed in isolation. But they don’t operate in isolation. They form a mosaic of powers under which our country could be considered, at least in part, authoritarian. Americans often proclaim our nation as a symbol of freedom to the world while dismissing nations such as Cuba and China as categorically unfree. Yet, objectively, we may be only half right. Those countries do lack basic individual rights such as due process, placing them outside any reasonable definition of “free,” but the United States now has much more in common with such regimes than anyone may like to admit.

        These countries also have constitutions that purport to guarantee freedoms and rights. But their governments have broad discretion in denying those rights and few real avenues for challenges by citizens — precisely the problem with the new laws in this country.

        The list of powers acquired by the U.S. government since 9/11 puts us in rather troubling company.

        Assassination of U.S. citizens

        President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. Last year, he approved the killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaqi and another citizen under this claimed inherent authority. Last month, administration officials affirmed that power, stating that the president can order the assassination of any citizen whom he considers allied with terrorists. (Nations such as Nigeria, Iran and Syria have been routinely criticized for extrajudicial killings of enemies of the state.)

        Indefinite detention

        Under the law signed last month, terrorism suspects are to be held by the military; the president also has the authority to indefinitely detain citizens accused of terrorism. While Sen. Carl Levin insisted the bill followed existing law “whatever the law is,” the Senate specifically rejected an amendment that would exempt citizens and the Administration has opposed efforts to challenge such authority in federal court. The Administration continues to claim the right to strip citizens of legal protections based on its sole discretion. (China recently codified a more limited detention law for its citizens, while countries such as Cambodia have been singled out by the United States for “prolonged detention.”)

        Arbitrary justice

        The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice. (Egypt and China have been denounced for maintaining separate military justice systems for selected defendants, including civilians.)

        Warrantless searches

        The president may now order warrantless surveillance, including a new capability to force companies and organizations to turn over information on citizens’ finances, communications and associations. Bush acquired this sweeping power under the Patriot Act in 2001, and in 2011, Obama extended the power, including searches of everything from business documents to library records. The government can use “national security letters” to demand, without probable cause, that organizations turn over information on citizens — and order them not to reveal the disclosure to the affected party. (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan operate under laws that allow the government to engage in widespread discretionary surveillance.)

        Secret evidence

        The government now routinely uses secret evidence to detain individuals and employs secret evidence in federal and military courts. It also forces the dismissal of cases against the United States by simply filing declarations that the cases would make the government reveal classified information that would harm national security — a claim made in a variety of privacy lawsuits and largely accepted by federal judges without question. Even legal opinions, cited as the basis for the government’s actions under the Bush and Obama administrations, have been classified. This allows the government to claim secret legal arguments to support secret proceedings using secret evidence. In addition, some cases never make it to court at all. The federal courts routinely deny constitutional challenges to policies and programs under a narrow definition of standing to bring a case.

        War crimes

        The world clamored for prosecutions of those responsible for waterboarding terrorism suspects during the Bush administration, but the Obama administration said in 2009 that it would not allow CIA employees to be investigated or prosecuted for such actions. This gutted not just treaty obligations but the Nuremberg principles of international law. When courts in countries such as Spain moved to investigate Bush officials for war crimes, the Obama administration reportedly urged foreign officials not to allow such cases to proceed, despite the fact that the United States has long claimed the same authority with regard to alleged war criminals in other countries. (Various nations have resisted investigations of officials accused of war crimes and torture. Some, such as Serbia and Chile, eventually relented to comply with international law; countries that have denied independent investigations include Iran, Syria and China.)

        Secret court

        The government has increased its use of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has expanded its secret warrants to include individuals deemed to be aiding or abetting hostile foreign governments or organizations. In 2011, Obama renewed these powers, including allowing secret searches of individuals who are not part of an identifiable terrorist group. The administration has asserted the right to ignore congressional limits on such surveillance. (Pakistan places national security surveillance under the unchecked powers of the military or intelligence services.)

        Immunity from judicial review

        Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy. (Similarly, China has maintained sweeping immunity claims both inside and outside the country and routinely blocks lawsuits against private companies.)

        Continual monitoring of citizens

        The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review. It is not defending the power before the Supreme Court — a power described by Justice Anthony Kennedy as “Orwellian.” (Saudi Arabia has installed massive public surveillance systems, while Cuba is notorious for active monitoring of selected citizens.)

        Extraordinary renditions

        The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers — including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.

        These new laws have come with an infusion of money into an expanded security system on the state and federal levels, including more public surveillance cameras, tens of thousands of security personnel and a massive expansion of a terrorist-chasing bureaucracy.

        Some politicians shrug and say these increased powers are merely a response to the times we live in. Thus, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) could declare in an interview last spring without objection that “free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Of course, terrorism will never “surrender” and end this particular “war.”

        Other politicians rationalize that, while such powers may exist, it really comes down to how they are used. This is a common response by liberals who cannot bring themselves to denounce Obama as they did Bush. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), for instance, has insisted that Congress is not making any decision on indefinite detention: “That is a decision which we leave where it belongs — in the executive branch.”

        And in a signing statement with the defense authorization bill, Obama said he does not intend to use the latest power to indefinitely imprison citizens. Yet, he still accepted the power as a sort of regretful autocrat.

        An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.

        The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”

        Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powel confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got — a republic or a monarchy?” His response was a bit chilling: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”

        Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.

        The indefinite-detention provision in the defense authorization bill seemed to many civil libertarians like a betrayal by Obama. While the president had promised to veto the law over that provision, Levin, a sponsor of the bill, disclosed on the Senate floor that it was in fact the White House that approved the removal of any exception for citizens from indefinite detention.

        Dishonesty from politicians is nothing new for Americans. The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves when we call this country the land of the free.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        > The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves
        > when we call this country the land of the free.

        The real answer is yes, we’re lying to ourselves, and have been for a long time.

        Both the Dems and the Reps have done this. Both parties want to impose their ideology on the people via the government.

        This is the opposite of freedom.

        This is tyranny of the majority.

        This is not Liberty.

        – Smoov

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      If not now when Chuck.???
      we are at the tipping point NOW
      People need to grow a spine and just say no to the NWO candidates both parties offer

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Is it extreme to want BACK what our forefathers gave us?!? Do you consider republicans and democrats arguing back and forth and calling each other names, a morale boost?!? Do you think that staying on the same track we’ve been on for years, which has brought our country to the depths of h*ll will boost ANYONE’S MORALE?!? It’s time for REAL change, BACK to our roots!!! BACK to what made this country GREAT!!! FREEDOM!!!

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        When I asked you what freedom’s have you lost in the last 30 years… the only thing you could come up with was “I can’t protest in from of the President anymore” Thanks to Reagan BTW..

        I agree with much of the libertarian philosophy except global trade and currency, that is where Ron Paul and the rest of the libertarians are out to lunch I also do not buy into the Gov is inheriently bad like many here subscribe.

        I do wish the people who say “we want freedom back” had the chance to live in Saudi Arabia, Cuba, China to see what not having freedom is truly all about.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Dave67, you asked me to name ONE freedom that we had lost! I did so! If you wanted me to write a book, you should have said so! I would have declined!!! And Reagan had NOTHING to do with that loss of freedom! Up until obumass signed his executive order, I was FREE to protest WHATEVER I wished!!! Nowadays, if you post something against the government on your Facebook page, they will come and take you in handcuffs to the crazy ward!!!

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        If any of your nonsense was true… why aren’t you in jail? Give me the executive order that forbids you from protesting the President.

        You need to get out and see the world if you think you have lost your freedom. If you believe you have lost freedom, then you have no idea what the term means.

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        I found your executive order:

        “Obama has just issued an executive order claiming the power to freeze any assets you own, if you “directly or indirectly” obstruct the new government of Yemen”

        Yes, there you have it

        Oh and here is what W did…

        President Bush enacted into US law an ‘Executive Order’ on July 17th titled “Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq”, and which says:

        “By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

        I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004.”

        Reagan gave us Executive Order 12333: Strengthened management of the United States Intelligence Community

        So Nancy, Not to call you a crackpot or anything… But going about your life, you have lost ZERO freedom… I still can do everything I did growing up. And for you to blame Obama for all this loss of freedom, makes you a crackpot.

      • Anthony

        Dave67 I hope your just kidding….to say we have lost no freedom!

        Even as we pass judgment on countries we consider unfree, Americans remain confident that any definition of a free nation must include their own — the land of free. Yet, the laws and practices of the land should shake that confidence. In the decade since Sept. 11, 2001, this country has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The most recent example of this was the National Defense Authorization Act, signed Dec. 31, which allows for the indefinite detention of citizens. At what point does the reduction of individual rights in our country change how we define ourselves?

        While each new national security power Washington has embraced was controversial when enacted, they are often discussed in isolation. But they don’t operate in isolation. They form a mosaic of powers under which our country could be considered, at least in part, authoritarian. Americans often proclaim our nation as a symbol of freedom to the world while dismissing nations such as Cuba and China as categorically unfree. Yet, objectively, we may be only half right. Those countries do lack basic individual rights such as due process, placing them outside any reasonable definition of “free,” but the United States now has much more in common with such regimes than anyone may like to admit.

        These countries also have constitutions that purport to guarantee freedoms and rights. But their governments have broad discretion in denying those rights and few real avenues for challenges by citizens — precisely the problem with the new laws in this country.

        The list of powers acquired by the U.S. government since 9/11 puts us in rather troubling company.

        Assassination of U.S. citizens

        President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. Last year, he approved the killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaqi and another citizen under this claimed inherent authority. Last month, administration officials affirmed that power, stating that the president can order the assassination of any citizen whom he considers allied with terrorists. (Nations such as Nigeria, Iran and Syria have been routinely criticized for extrajudicial killings of enemies of the state.)

        Indefinite detention

        Under the law signed last month, terrorism suspects are to be held by the military; the president also has the authority to indefinitely detain citizens accused of terrorism. While Sen. Carl Levin insisted the bill followed existing law “whatever the law is,” the Senate specifically rejected an amendment that would exempt citizens and the Administration has opposed efforts to challenge such authority in federal court. The Administration continues to claim the right to strip citizens of legal protections based on its sole discretion. (China recently codified a more limited detention law for its citizens, while countries such as Cambodia have been singled out by the United States for “prolonged detention.”)

        Arbitrary justice

        The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice. (Egypt and China have been denounced for maintaining separate military justice systems for selected defendants, including civilians.)

        Warrantless searches

        The president may now order warrantless surveillance, including a new capability to force companies and organizations to turn over information on citizens’ finances, communications and associations. Bush acquired this sweeping power under the Patriot Act in 2001, and in 2011, Obama extended the power, including searches of everything from business documents to library records. The government can use “national security letters” to demand, without probable cause, that organizations turn over information on citizens — and order them not to reveal the disclosure to the affected party. (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan operate under laws that allow the government to engage in widespread discretionary surveillance.)

        Secret evidence

        The government now routinely uses secret evidence to detain individuals and employs secret evidence in federal and military courts. It also forces the dismissal of cases against the United States by simply filing declarations that the cases would make the government reveal classified information that would harm national security — a claim made in a variety of privacy lawsuits and largely accepted by federal judges without question. Even legal opinions, cited as the basis for the government’s actions under the Bush and Obama administrations, have been classified. This allows the government to claim secret legal arguments to support secret proceedings using secret evidence. In addition, some cases never make it to court at all. The federal courts routinely deny constitutional challenges to policies and programs under a narrow definition of standing to bring a case.

        War crimes

        The world clamored for prosecutions of those responsible for waterboarding terrorism suspects during the Bush administration, but the Obama administration said in 2009 that it would not allow CIA employees to be investigated or prosecuted for such actions. This gutted not just treaty obligations but the Nuremberg principles of international law. When courts in countries such as Spain moved to investigate Bush officials for war crimes, the Obama administration reportedly urged foreign officials not to allow such cases to proceed, despite the fact that the United States has long claimed the same authority with regard to alleged war criminals in other countries. (Various nations have resisted investigations of officials accused of war crimes and torture. Some, such as Serbia and Chile, eventually relented to comply with international law; countries that have denied independent investigations include Iran, Syria and China.)

        Secret court

        The government has increased its use of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has expanded its secret warrants to include individuals deemed to be aiding or abetting hostile foreign governments or organizations. In 2011, Obama renewed these powers, including allowing secret searches of individuals who are not part of an identifiable terrorist group. The administration has asserted the right to ignore congressional limits on such surveillance. (Pakistan places national security surveillance under the unchecked powers of the military or intelligence services.)

        Immunity from judicial review

        Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy. (Similarly, China has maintained sweeping immunity claims both inside and outside the country and routinely blocks lawsuits against private companies.)

        Continual monitoring of citizens

        The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review. It is not defending the power before the Supreme Court — a power described by Justice Anthony Kennedy as “Orwellian.” (Saudi Arabia has installed massive public surveillance systems, while Cuba is notorious for active monitoring of selected citizens.)

        Extraordinary renditions

        The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers — including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.

        These new laws have come with an infusion of money into an expanded security system on the state and federal levels, including more public surveillance cameras, tens of thousands of security personnel and a massive expansion of a terrorist-chasing bureaucracy.

        Some politicians shrug and say these increased powers are merely a response to the times we live in. Thus, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) could declare in an interview last spring without objection that “free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Of course, terrorism will never “surrender” and end this particular “war.”

        Other politicians rationalize that, while such powers may exist, it really comes down to how they are used. This is a common response by liberals who cannot bring themselves to denounce Obama as they did Bush. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), for instance, has insisted that Congress is not making any decision on indefinite detention: “That is a decision which we leave where it belongs — in the executive branch.”

        And in a signing statement with the defense authorization bill, Obama said he does not intend to use the latest power to indefinitely imprison citizens. Yet, he still accepted the power as a sort of regretful autocrat.

        An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.

        The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”

        Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powel confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got — a republic or a monarchy?” His response was a bit chilling: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”

        Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.

        The indefinite-detention provision in the defense authorization bill seemed to many civil libertarians like a betrayal by Obama. While the president had promised to veto the law over that provision, Levin, a sponsor of the bill, disclosed on the Senate floor that it was in fact the White House that approved the removal of any exception for citizens from indefinite detention.

        Dishonesty from politicians is nothing new for Americans. The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves when we call this country the land of the free.

      • Belinda

        I hope you don’t think somebody real all that.

      • Gordon

        Dave, in principle aren’t you saying that if the drug dealers and street whores and crime in your town is not as bad as it is in some other location, that you should be happy and satisfied with where you are?

      • Belinda

        Just because the baby has a awful stinky diaper, we don’t throw the baby away. We wipe the baby butt and if that does not do the job, we put the baby in a nice tub of warm bubbly water. Then we put on a fresh clean diaper.
        We know that this is not the first or will it be the last time we have to change a stinky diaper, but we know that the baby is worth the trouble. That is how we must deal with our parties. We will have to deal with a lot of stinky diapers, but one day the baby will be potty trained and that will be a good day.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        To continue your analogy, that’s not what is happening.

        The Republicans keep throwing away all the clean diapers they have, and just keep scraping off the previously used diaper, putting it back on the baby when they take off the currently used one, recycling both diapers with no end.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        So it seems you have given up with your analogy. You are going to give the baby up for adoption and trade it in for another baby…Be that way. But if you give up one baby for adoption, the child and family department will recommend that you do not be allowed to have a new baby. If you are allowed to get the new child, that child may be worse than the one you had.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        …and this is why I believe you to be an idiot, incapable of the objective critical analysis required to make the kinds of decisions necessary for something this important.

        My analogy, is to stop scraping and reusing old diapers (same old crap RINOs, such as Romney, McCain, etc), and stop throwing away the fresh ones, and put them on the baby (constitutional Republicans, the ones the Republican party was founded on, like Ron Paul)

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        I see where a libertarian has a pledge he is trying to get everyone to sign saying no to any taxes. We don’t want taxes, but does that mean no reform of any taxes? Somehow that could put Republicans into a box if they can not even reform taxes. Is that the objective to make them unable to do anything and then cry they are not doing anything.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        but the current Republicans, don’t want less taxes… they don’t want less government… they just disagree with the Democrats, on what form the bigger government should be. at least, that’s the dance they’re playing.

        the result of the dance, is that both sides always compromise… so when “no more” compromises with “more”, you always end up with “more”

        Whenever they compromise, on higher taxes combined with less spending, the feds end up getting their higher taxes, but then they completely forget about cutting spending.

        over, and over, and over again.

        One dirty diaper after another, and every election, ya take the old diaper, scrape it off, and try and slap it back on the party, with a new candidate, who is just going to do the same thing as the others, and crap on The Constitution again.

        We know you folks aren’t going to do anything about it. We know you folks lack the courage and will, to take any kind of serious stand against it.

        We know that, if the problem is continued to be left in your hands? You’ll fail us, because you’ve always failed us in this respect.

        We won’t continue in that insanity any more. We just can’t. We actually give a damn.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        You are wrong.

  • WhatIsLiberty

    The GOP had an opportunity to do something great and squandered it. Obama will win another four years…to hell with the lesser of evil – it’s still damn evil…it’s John McCain all over again…pfft.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      AMEN..
      I FOR ONE AM SO FED UP WITH THIS 2 BAD CHOICES THING THE 2 PARTY DICTATORSHIP OFFERS I AM GOING ROGUE AND VOTING 3RD PARTY

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      THEIR agenda WILL go forward!!! Why do you think they give you the choices they give you?!? You take my man “R” OR you take my man “D”! Which one do you want?!? Most people will go along! WAKE THEM UP!!!

    • Meteorlady

      Neither the Republican party of the Democratic parties have done anything “great” for a long long time. As soon as the Democrats found out they could buy votes by putting people on the government plantation with free stuff, they were doomed as a party. The Republicans found that they could impose the moral laws on others, and they supported a lot of monied and banking interest, along with the Democrats who are hypocrites because they do both.

      Think about who has been HAND PICKED for you to vote for for the past 25 years or so. The primaries, caucuses and conventions are rigged. In my state, the Democrats have so rigged the thing that I don’t understand why we even spend tax dollars having a primary. We voted in 2008 in the primary and in the Democratic one Hillary Clinton came out ahead. A few weeks later they had caucuses and Obama won…. Obama got the delegates even though he didn’t win the primary. Sad…. then add in the Democratic “super delegates” so that if the party doesn’t like who is getting nominated, they can throw the vote in favor of who they WANT to WIN.

  • Wayne

    “Let me say it straight: If my neighbor on one side is in a gay union and the neighbor on the other side smokes grass (and if is not hurting me or anyone else), why can’t they? That’s how I look at it; I am a true libertarian.” You say this about other groups as well what if the gay union person hides the fact they child molesters some do this hide behind that lie that my gay union does not hurt anybody or you mention someone who smokes grass and he also offers it to your grandkids will they hurt someone? I do not see either group making good neighbors and people I want to be around.

    • Chester

      Wayne, there are gay child molesters just as there are straight child molesters, and very few of either are in a committed relationship, so don’t drag that bag of BS out and claim it is sugar. A child molester is just that, a child molester, and seldom do they “hide” as something else. Perhaps you need to spend some time with some of the people you are condemning before you go telling the world who or what they are, or who or what they disguise themselves as. Right now you know just enough to draw life in prison because you took it upon yourself to out a child molester and practiced a little vigilante justice on the wrong person.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        true….but studies have shown the majority of child molesters are heterosexual

    • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.frana Eugene Frana

      I hope you don’t live next to a Catholic church or a coach of a football team or a boy scout leader.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Wayne, when that person steps over the line and hurts someone else, that’s a game changer! The whole POINT is, if their NOT hurting anyone else…

  • Warrior

    The toilet is full of you know what right now, it stinks to high heaven and it is time to flush it. Progessivism = dirty potty. Dump them now and your whole sh$tty outlook will immediately change to real hope. Does anyone else see the same despair I see everyday? The whole country is in a funk and has been for several years now. Progressives are not the answer, period!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      so true…..the last fetid progressive McCain should have taught republicans that people will not vote for those progressives

      Romney is a wolf in sheeps clothing….he’s supported all those progressive policies of Obama’s at one time

      • Belinda

        I say the wolf in sheep’s clothing comes in all shapes and sizes and even those claiming to be libertarian die-hards who are in actuality Obamarite cult supporters.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        stuff that bilge Belinda

        I vote for the best CONSTITUTIONAL candidate…..that’s my priority and that sure doesn’t include the dictator Obama which your RINO’s enabled every single chance they got.

        Romney and Ryan are traitors to the constitution….they both support going away from it…check out their records & you will see. In fact all the things we have mentioned proves they are unconstitutional so you are just spitting in the wind

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Rhonda, does it occur to you that THEY gave us mccain and romney for THAT VERY REASON!!! THEY will not allow anyone who will not follow THEIR agenda! CHOICE IS AN ILLUSION!!!

      • Anthony

        Nancy I’m sure when you say “they” you are talking about the Banksters! They control both parties and the president is their puppet! The best way to shut them down is to stop their money creating! take a look at this! But I must forewarn you…..once you learn the truth you can never go back!
        http://www.educationcenter2000.com/Secret_Banker's_Manual.pdf

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Anthony, yup! And I’ll take a look at the PDF tomorrow. Thanks for sharing it!

  • lambamba

    Paul Ryan wants vaginal ultrasounds all over the country . So you’re right .
    Paul Ryan wants big government all ove America .

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      WTF!!!??? THAT’S how you participate in the discussion?!?

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    NOW, WHAT? IF PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE Paul Ryan, WHAT WILL THEY DO? – STAY HOME?

    • DaveH

      Vote for Ron Paul if he runs. If he doesn’t, vote for the Libertarian Presidential Candidate, Gary Johnson.

      • Mimi

        You’d like that wouldn’t you Dave? A group of Lemurs would be better than Obama, but no, you’d rather have Obama for the next four, to completely destroy the country? What a pearl of wisdom you are!

      • Belinda

        na, na, na, na na na na …na…y’all why can’t the libertarian die-hards grow up! Why do you act like it is all your way or no way. How do you be so arrogant to think that you have all the answers and there is no wisdom in the people of the world besides you. This very arrogance and divisiveness reminds me of the very people that I oppose…The Obomanites cult. Why don’t y’all get on board and join the Americans that want to bring about what is best for all Americans…not just the libertarian following. I think libertarian message is basically a good one, but the tunnel vision of some have caused a veering off into a partisan and dangerous path that is not for the betterment of this country…a country for all lAmericans…not just a few.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Absolutely right Dave

        I’m voting for Paul or Johnson too

        the GOP can take a long walk off a short pier

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mimi,
        It appears that you are the one who is afraid. If you were not afraid you would not make childish outbursts.You are afraid that Romney/Ryan cannot convince the populace of their ideology. That is not DaveH’s fault that Romney/Ryan ideology is copycatted by O.

      • Belinda

        I arm not afraid. But if every vote counts, Il want the vote not to be for Obama. As in the days of Ross Perot, we don’t need to take any vote for granted. But I am hoping for even your vote not to be important and that Romney wins in the greatest landslide vote in history.For the sake of America. Another four years of Obama..me, even you will never be able to have you dreams realized..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Belinda, you are another one like Mimi that is so afraid that if someone disagrees with you your world will fall apart.

      • DaveH

        Belinda says — “How do you be so arrogant to think that you have all the answers and there is no wisdom in the people of the world besides you”.
        DaveH says — “How can you?”

      • DaveH

        Belinda says — “But if every vote counts, Il want the vote not to be for Obama”.
        So you don’t care if we lose our Freedom to Romney/Ryan, as long as we don’t lose it to Obama?
        I vote on Principle. If they can’t put a Principled Politician up for election, then I won’t rubber-stamp an Unprincipled Politician just to stop another Unprincipled Politician from getting re-elected.
        If you want to travel to a Northern destination, Belinda, how long do you think it would take to get there by traveling West?

      • The GLB

        To Mimi @ 9:34 AM and Belinda @ 9:48 AM:

        We, the people of the United States, will get the government we deserve, and whether Obama wins, or Romney wins it WILL be the government we deserve.

        Here is a message to both the Socialists and the Fascists (who are fraternal twins): Neither one of these puppets is going to save the U.S. from the other, they both work for the same team.

        This nation has abandoned/forsaken God, so is it no wonder that there is NOT a single candidate amongst the proffered who is a true Bible believing Christian.

        Romney believes an angel gave another (contradictory) message to Joseph Smith. This is what the Apostle Paul wrote about that in Gal 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

        Ryan believes his sins can only be forgiven by a priest and that the Pope is a substitute in office for the Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

        Obama, only God knows, but when one wears as many different theological hats as he does it would be fair to say that what he professes he is, and what he truly is are NOT the same.

        Belinda, you wrote, “Why don’t y’all get on board and join the Americans that want to bring about what is best for all Americans…not just the libertarian following.”

        How is voting for an Obama with different pigmentation going to be what is best for all Americans?

        I wonder if you are grasping what other commenters are writing about Romney? If you could, then you would NOT be such a strong advocate for the guys with R’s after their names, for they will take us to the same Socialist/Fascist wasteland of BIG government. Big government is just one of the things that we Libertarians oppose, because as Thomas Jefferson wrote, “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Mimi and Belinda, if you have ANY integrity at all, you will follow your conscience and vote for the BEST MAN FOR THE JOB! Are you happy with things as they are? Based upon PAST ACTIONS, do you think that romney will be the president you WANT?!? You must not allow yourself to make your decision based upon what a politician TELLS you! It MUST be based upon what they DO!!! Are you willing to give up YOUR VALUES AND INTEGRITY to elect the man just because he’s NOT obumass?!? If every person in this country had VALUES AND INTEGRITY, we wouldn’t BE in the situation we are in! If everyone would vote for who they thought was best for the job, we wouldn’t have to SETTLE for the choices THEY gave us!!! It is time to STAND UP!!! You may not get another chance!!!

      • Liberty4Me

        @BELINDA… I have grown up, dear. I realized long ago that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. Romny may be the lesser of two evils but an evil non-the-less. Like DaveH, I refuse to be a party to the destruction of America by voting for either of these clowns. I realized that voting against my principle is a wasted vote. I’ll not compromise on what is right for what is almost right.

      • Meteorlady

        Been gone for a time – where did Mimi come from Mars? Mimi.. NOT VOTE IS WASTED IF IT’S CAST INTELLIGENTLY. People like you are the result of the two party system. A system that is corrupt and breeds special interest and screws the American people continually. If people continue to be brainwashed into “wasting their vote” we will never get out of the mess we are in and take our country back from the crooks in government.

      • Belinda

        I am sure Mimi is responsible for bringing the two party system into being. I am sure she does not go about living her life as best she can. Making a living as best she can. Trying to do as best she can. She is as responsible for making up the system of our government as you are. Why do you harass her for something she is not responsible for? Is is because she does not happen to agree with her?

      • http://none Bonnie Cruz

        DaveH answer a question Please. I want Ron Paul yes I think he is the best hope for the future of our children, grands and great grands. Now everyone keeps telling if I vote for Ron Paul the vote will go to Obama. I donot want to live under Muslum law and we will get that with Obama. Now I really don’t cotten to Romney either and if this is true I will be forced to vote for Romney. Is this True??

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        That’s the fallacy.

        You’re not forced to vote for anybody, no matter how much those parties try to make the case, that you have no choice.

        – Smoov

      • Belinda

        Think logically Bonnie. Look at history if you are so young. Look into the election where a third party candidate took the votes from the republican candidate and Clinton won. Think Ross Peroe. These people are l. don’t know history. 2. are working for Obama. 3. don’t care. or 4. are delusional that their candidate can win at this time. or 5. are straight delusional.

      • redjacobson

        Right on Dave. Ron Paul is right on all the issues and I will always support him and his views on the issues that are facing this republic. Gary Johnson is the candidate I will vote for in 2012. I believe in the Liberterian Party platform and trust it’s candidates at local,state or federal levels.

  • Harold Olsen

    “Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul.” I sure hope not. Paul Ryan is a conservative. Ron Paul, though a fiscal conservative when it comes to the economy, is an extreme liberal on other major issues. I’d support Paul Ryan if he were the presidential candidate. As someone said on Twitter last year, Ron Paul is probably the only candidate who would be worse than Obama.

    • Vicki

      Why would Ron Paul be worse then Obama? Just 3 examples to get us started.

      • Anthony

        Vicki he can not answer! Because he his a media brainwashed puppet!

      • HH

        We’re waiting Harold……………….

      • danny

        Ok ,Vicky let’s start with the number one issue. REmoving our Military from the world theater. This nut case has no comprehension of the complexity of defense of ourselves, and our allies. I am giving you the benefit of doubt. That maybe you have not considered the horrid threats of dominateing evil in the world. The logistics of our defense depends on global positions and allies. “DON”T” be deceived by ignorant people who think we can buy the alliegeance of the world. There has always been Hitlers and tyrants of all ages. The other two requested reasons would be of “NO” importance if this reason was ignored.

      • stopspending

        I will try
        1. He would leave us totally undefended and vulnerable to foreign entitites that want to kill us. It is not possible to “just make nice” with those countries/entities. they only understand force.
        2. He would remove mosst governement controls which would cause a break in US society. We must have some government so we do not turn into a banana republic.
        3. He and his supporters believe there is only one way to lead the government and that would either lead to him being a dictator (we got that now) or completely no cooperation with Congress and the will of the majority (we also have that now and it is failing).

      • Anthony

        Danny if anybody is a moron its you!

        Right now, the U.S. government is essentially bankrupt and the U.S. financial system is on the verge of the collapse. We have got to stop spending so much money.

        The following are 16 reasons why the United States can no longer afford to be the police of the world….

        #1 Prior to the beginning of the “War on Terror” our national debt was under 6 trillion dollars. Today, it has more than doubled and currently sits at a whopping 14.3 trillion dollars.

        #2 Today, the U.S. military is in nearly 130 different nations and it has a total of about 700 military bases around the globe. It costs approximately 100 billion dollars each year to maintain these military bases.

        #3 U.S. military spending is greater than the military spending of China, Russia, Japan, India, and the rest of NATO combined.

        #4 The United States already accounts for 46.5% of all military spending on the planet. China is next with only 6.6%.

        #5 If Bill Gates gave every penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for 15 days.

        #6 When you throw in all “off budget” items and other categories of “defense spending” not covered in the Pentagon budget you get a grand total of somewhere between $1.01 and $1.35 trillion spent on national defense in 2010.

        #7 The U.S. government borrows an average of about 168 million more dollars every single hour.

        #8 The Pentagon currently gobbles up 56 percent of all discretionary spending by the federal government.

        #9 Between 2007 and 2010, U.S. GDP grew by only 4.26%, but the U.S. national debt soared by 61% during that same time period.

        #10 The cost for the first week of airstrikes on Libya was 600 million dollars. Keep in mind that the leader of the opposition in Libya has admitted that his forces contain large numbers of the same “al-Qaeda fighters” that were shooting at American troops in Iraq. So we are going broke and we are helping al-Qaeda take power in Libya at the same time.

        #11 The total price tag for each F-22 fighter jet is approximately $350 million.

        #12 Over the past decade, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost U.S. taxpayers well over a trillion dollars.

        #13 If you went out today and started spending one dollar every single second, it would take you over 31,000 years to spend one trillion dollars.

        #14 Since 2001, the total cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan breaks down to well over $3,600 for every man, woman and child in the United States.

        #15 Just one day of the war in Afghanistan costs more money than it took to build the entire Pentagon.

        #16 The United States government is now responsible for more than a third of all the government debt in the entire world.

        The U.S. national debt is escalating out of control and all of these wars are not helping one bit.

        Occupying and bombing all of these nations is not even making us safer. In fact, it is creating more enemies than it is destroying.

      • DaveH

        Danny says — “This nut case has no comprehension of the complexity of defense of ourselves, and our allies. I am giving you the benefit of doubt”.
        So, Danny, could you explain some of those “complexities” to those of us who are ignorant?

      • DavidL

        Vickie,
        Here are a few to start you off……

        1. Ryan/Romney want the government to force you to have the child of the rapist. Obama opposes this!

        2. Ryan/Romney want insurance companies, once again, to be able to deny coverage for your children because of the money saving excuse of a “pre-existing condition.” Obama has ended this practice and has ensured that your children get the coverage they need.

        3. Ryan/Romney want insurance companies, once again, to be able to deny coverage for you because women are a “pre-existing condition.” Obama has ended this practice and has ensured that you, and all women, get the coverage needed.

        4. Ryan sponsored a national bill to force women to undergo forced ultra-sound probe. Obama opposes this State-sanctioned rape.

        5. Ryan/Romney want insurance companies, once again, to be able to deny coverage to people because of annual or lifetime limits. Obama has ended this practice.

        6. Ryan/Romney want person-hood at conception and thereby outlaw all abortion, contraception and in Vitro fertilization. Obama is against this policy.

        Vickie, with all due respect, take a closer look at the positions of the parties. Ignore the ignorant bat-crap-crazy crowd and decide, really decide, on what is in the best economic and social interest of you and your family. Vote your interests. Don’t vote against them.

        Best wishes,
        DavidL

      • Gordon

        So Anthony with your 16 points you are saying that we as a Nation should avoid all military actions and interventions outside of the homeland 50 states borders, and virtually ignore all the upcoming and inevitable jihad throughout the world and inevitably on our home soil. Our military has been training our troops and has actually asked them if they would take up arms against US citizens here in the 50 states. I know current military men who have conducted the training. Guess when Iran attacks Israel and the world wide jihad attacks Chicago, Denver, and PettyCoat Junction, we will just chalk it up to saving the budget?

      • Belinda

        I don’t think anyone thinks Ron Paul would be worse than Obama. That is not the deal. I don’t know how feasible some of his ideas are even though I know he has good intentions. However, I know he would probably make a much better president than Obama.But that is not what this election is about.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        You are correct, that is not what this election is about.

        This election is about Progressivism, big out of control governmental growth, and corruption.

        – Smoov

      • DaveH

        You have been severely propagandized, Gordon.
        Our mid-east excursions have nothing to do with stopping Muslims and everything to do with fattening the wallets of International Bankers.
        Iraq declares that it is no longer going to price its oil in US dollars — 2000.
        Iran declares that is is no longer going to price its oil in US dollars — 2009.
        “Libya was planning to introduce a new currency for Libyan and regional oil: the Gold Dinar which, contrary to the US Dollar, would have had true intrinsic value”.
        You really need to do some reading:
        http://rt.com/news/libya-all-about-oil-818/

      • Gordon

        Take a step back and look through clear glasses: Evil men take advantage of situations for their own manipulations. Try and look back at what created their opportunities.

      • Average Joe

        stopspending ,

        Your statements are fallacy.

        1. Do you know the difference between defense and offense? America is less safe now than ever before. We cannot defend America… if our troops are not HERE to defend us…comprende’? Checked the borders lately?

        2. Returning the governance of people’s lives to the States (10th amendment) is not the same as “removing” government control…it is re-assigning that control to it’s proper venue.

        3. Have you got anything to back up this silly accusation? If so, I (and many others) would love to see it. Put up or shut up…baseless accusations only serve to make you look ignorant of reality.

        Have you ever read the Constitution? I am guessing the answer is no, because if you had, you would understand that the Federal Government has “limited powers” (Article 1 ,Section 8) and that there are supposed to be 3 branches that are used as checks and balances against the overreach of one branch against the other two.

        Here is the text…please read it..now you’ll have no excuses for being ignorant….

        Article 1 – The Legislative Branch
        Section 8 – Powers of Congress

        The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

        To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

        To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

        To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

        To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

        To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

        To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

        To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

        To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

        To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

        To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

        To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

        To provide and maintain a Navy;

        To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

        To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

        To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

        To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

        To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

        Now that I have given you the text…please define “United States”…once you know the answer to that ..your eyes may open. Hint: the answer actually lies in the above text ( next to the last paragragh)…until you know the answer…you will remain a clueless bottom dweller….

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Danny, do you have any concept of what “defense” is?!? Defense is NOT trying to FORCE every country in the world to do what you want! Defense is NOT deciding who should be the leader of every country! Defense is NOT forcing other countries to use your currency and to produce cheap goods to get that currency. Defense is NOT getting involved in other country’s personal business EVEN if you disagree with it! Defense is NOT blowing up innocent women and children because their presidents won’t do what you want!!! Defence is NOT spying on your own people and PLOTTING TO CONTROL them! Defense IS protecting YOUR people and your ALLY’S people! Defense IS protecting YOUR land and your ALLY’S land. Defense IS protecting your infrastructure, including your electrical grid and information systems. Defense IS making sure your enemy is not flying in your airspace and is not patrolling your waters with their submarines. Defense IS making SURE that your enemy has NOT infiltrated your government! Defense IS encouraging YOUR people to be armed, ready and willing to fight the enemy! Defense IS protecting the rights of YOUR OWN people!!! It would seem to mean that this government and every other one in my lifetime has engaged in the very items that are NOT defense, but OFFENSE!!! We have been the world’s BULLY and THEY HATE US! This has NOT made us SAFER!!! Perhaps if we gave Ron Paul a chance, he would engage in TRUE DEFENSE, rather than the OFFENSE that we have become so accustomed to!

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Nancy in Nebraska,

        Well said!

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • DaveH

        Whew, Nancy. Good job. I’m glad you’re on my side.

      • Anthony

        GREAT JOB NANCY!!!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Thanks, guys! It only proves that I’m not too old to learn and I’m not too old to be stuck in my “old” beliefs!

    • Anthony

      Are you REALLY that STUPID????

      • Gordon

        Anthony, with all due respect Sir, I wish to point out a simple fact that seems to escape your intellect. WE cannot be friends with terrorists. We cannot appease them. We cannot placate them. The USA as the infidel western leader cannot do anything that will cause the muslim retreat or make them ignore the USA as their sworn mortal religious enemy. Their religion lives for the opportunity to destroy our civilization. Anyone who denies this fails to understand islam at its core. Evil men exist outside of islam. These too cannot be bought or appeased. IF the USA ignores them, sooner or later we will be fighting them on our homeland soil. In fact, the jihad has already come to us. Obama himself stated that 70,000 radical muslim extremists already live in the USA (yes he did.) How many will it take to cripple our society? Jacob and Esau have been fighting for thousands of years, and there will be no end. Islam is the founding father of marxism, and each cater to the souls of evil men. 2012 is the end of life as we have known it in these United States of America.

      • DaveH

        Gordon says — “Anthony, with all due respect Sir, I wish to point out a simple fact that seems to escape your intellect. WE cannot be friends with terrorists. We cannot appease them. We cannot placate them”.
        When was the last time “terrorists” attacked the United States, Gordon?
        Where did those “terrorists” come from?
        Why wasn’t their home country bombed into oblivion instead of Afghanistan?
        Why are a handful of people killing other people considered “terrorists”, but when the US does the same, in mass, to other countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.) we are the “good guys”?
        Don’t confuse a state of being severely brainwashed with an intellect, Gordon.
        When you have read the various articles and books that I’ve linked to, then come back and we’ll talk about your “intellect”. Until then, you are just the typical Propagandized dupe.

      • Anthony

        DaveH I could not have said it any better!

        Gordon says ” IF the USA ignores them, sooner or later we will be fighting them on our homeland soil.”

        This show Gordon’s IQ is very low and is not capable of understanding the lies the media feeds him!

      • Gordon

        Anthony and Dave; “Don’t confuse a state of being severely brainwashed with an intellect, Gordon.”
        No matter what you rant about, you will not convince me of your great intellect.

      • Gordon

        Let me attempt to grasp the principle behind your thinking: If we ignore the drug cartels, ignore the criminals in every venue, then theoretically they will stop being criminals, per se, because they will leave “us” alone. Is that what youze are saying? Couldn’t we do that by just de-criminalizing all the supposed law breaking so that then there would technically be no law breaking….. and there would be no victims?

    • braindeadus

      you are full of it

    • DaveH

      Harold says — “Paul Ryan is a conservative”.
      Get it straight, Harold. Paul Ryan is a NeoConservative Progressive who believes Big Government is the solution to our problems. Funny though, it keeps getting Bigger, and we keep having More problems.
      In 1900 Government consumed 3% of our GDP. It now consumes 40% of our GDP. Did we somehow become 13 times more needy of Government in those 110 years?

      • Mimi

        I’m sorry for you Dave, you need hearing aids as well as eyeglasses. If you think Paul Ryan wants bigger government, what would you say for Obama? Where have you been in these last almost four years?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mimi, can bad consequences happen when someone believes they are doing good and they are from the wrong reasons and using the wrong entity to get their good. Ryan talks like a Socialist, the government has a job of working to take care of people, no social services will be taken away, etc.. Ryan, Romneyand Obama all play on people’s fear and guilt about the old, the sick, the disabled and know how to couch their words to get the fear and guilt pacified

      • DaveH

        Mimi says — “I’m sorry for you Dave”.
        And why is that, Mimi? Because I am not ignorant, and therefore not blissful?

      • DaveH

        Mimi says — ” If you think Paul Ryan wants bigger government, what would you say for Obama?”.
        I would say Obama wants Bigger Government, also.
        Do two wrongs make a right in your world, Mimi?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Everyone acts as if paul ryan will make a difference. paul ryan will not BE president, romney WILL! ryan will NOT be an active participant in running the country. The vice president is just a figurehead who is there “just in case”. He can break tie votes in the senate. That’s it!!! So if you’re thinking that having ryan makes romney a little more palatable, you’re only fooling yourself!!! See the TRUTH!!!

      • Meteorlady

        Nancy – I can remember Al Gore breaking a tie in the senate which increased the taxes on Social security payments – even though the law initially said we would pay no taxes on any SS payments. So the VP is important….Gore screwed every senior in this country with his vote.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Meteorlady, if you choose to believe that gore was responsible, keep in mind that HALF of the senators voting, also supported it! If they had voted responsibly gore would have had nothing to do with it! What do you expect from our government?, that they would turn down an opportunity to raise taxes?

      • Belinda

        Where do you get Ryan is for big government? I have not seen indications of that fact anywhere. And where do you tag the Neoconservative tag to Ryan. Are you trying to tag him with a Neo Nazi implication. Do you know what Neo means? It means New. If Ryan is a New Conservative that could be a good thing? If It is according to what a New Conservative would believe. That might be better than a regular conservative. If your implication that a new conservative believes in big government, you are way way off base.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      PAUL RYAN SUPPORTS THE U.N.

      he voted for TARP & stimulus
      unfunded Rx drug benefits
      2 wars with countries that didn’t attack the U.S.
      patriot act and NDAA

      I’d hardly call that conservative

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Rhonda, thank you for stating the OBVIOUS TRUTH!!! You said it!!!

      • Anthony

        GREAT JOB!

        Nancy, Bob, Rhonda……Most of what we talk about here I’ve know since the 80′s. Over the years I have seen a slow awakening! Years ago when I would bring up the Federal Reserve or talk about the income tax….people would look at me as if our government could do no wrong and could not believe I would say such a thing. Even though there is still a lot of sheep on this site…I think lots of people are starting to see the light and understand that we have been lied to most of our life’s. I agree with Bob let the sheep keep come here!

      • Belinda

        People always complain about the RX help. I see people forking out over four hundred dollars at a sitting for medications. Older people. I also remember my mother and father in law spending their whole social security check on their medicine. I don’t see that as a bad thing now. We started having to pay their light bill and phone bills and other bills for them. It is sad when people get to that age and have to spend all their money on medicine and have no money for anything else. Like I said I think the help with medicine was a good thing because of my experience with this older people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Tyranosaurus.Rex Hayden Farnes

      Its sad to see so many so-called conservatives think Ron Paul is “crazy” or a “liberal”. Wow they should re-named this site neoconsmeet.com.

      • The GLB

        Well said Hayden.

        I have often wondered, if this is truly a Libertarian-leaning website, why there are so many NWeO-con talking heads commenting here.

        Not to advocate prohibition of their comments, because it is good to ‘argue’ about the true nature of politics in this country; and hopefully some of these Romney/Ryan/NWeO-con supporters will awaken, like I did, to the truth about the false left/right paradigm that is invoked by so many.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Hayden Farnes,

        You write: “Wow they should re-named this site neoconsmeet.com.” We have no desire or need to rename our site. If neocons aren’t here, how might we educate them?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You’ve educated me, Bob! And I thank you for it! This website was a launching pad for my study and research! It’s a work in progress!!!

      • JeffH

        Nancy in Nebraska, I will second that…without PLD and “you guys and gals” I’d still be wallowing in the Dem/Rep paradigm.

    • http://yahoo kYGATOR

      Harold, You couldn’t have said it better!! Ron Paul is definitely the WRONG Paul!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It depends upon what you want. If you want more of the same, you are correct!!!

    • The GLB

      Harold @ 2:11 AM:
      You would be well-served to read this article: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/why-i-am-a-radical-liberal-progressive/ so that you may more fully understand the definitions of the words you use to denigrate the most constitutionally-minded member of Congress, and the best Presidential candidate this country has seen in over 100 years.

  • DaveH

    What is a Real Libertarian?
    http://mises.org/daily/4931

    • danny

      A real liberatarian is not represented by a nut case that does not believe we need military installations around the world to defend ourselves and our allies. And we don;t need these pretenders like John Myers in our camp constantly trying to destroy our candidates. he has never been supportive to the Conservative Republicans. His articles are always destructive. He appears to be a “Democrat”

      • http://www.facebook.com/martha.benton.3 Martha Benton

        Thank heavens for your post. I thought maybe I was the only one that felt that way about the articles being posted here. I quit another news group for the same reason. I really think the liberals have invaded and are putting on a mask of being conservative when all they really want to do is destroy what we believe in. If he is still a Ron Paul supporter, he needs to get over it. The old codger did not make it to the nomination. We have two old fogies in the government now with Reid and Pelosi that are all we can stomach right now.

      • http://www.fletcherfarm.com al

        a heartbeat from being The President think about this before you endorse the other paul

      • BERNADINE

        You may be right but I will tell you this RON PAUL is the man to change this country
        back around. romney is just another ringer like OBAMA. just remember america did not
        elect OBAMA the dem and republic partys did for thier one world government.OBAMA is
        not obama sr’s son he is commie FRANK DAVIS,S SON BY ANN DURHAM BOTH COMMIE’S. AND THEY ARE PUSHING ROMNEY DOWn on us. UNLESS some one with guts enough to stand up and be counted to put a halt to what these people are doing.
        COMMUNISM IS HERE TO STAY. we will have to have the rvolution al over again.

      • DaveH

        Danny doesn’t know what a Libertarian is, and Martha doesn’t know what a True Conservative is.
        Libertarians believe that everybody has the inherent right to control their own bodies and property without the interference of other people (including Government people), as long as we do NOT trespass on the bodies and property of other people. That includes people who live in foreign countries. And we have a right to trade freely with our fellow humans, absent the coercive interference of meddling Government people, other than to adjudicate cases of Force and Fraud.
        True Conservatives believe in the Constitution of the United States, and the Small Limited Government that our forefathers advocated. The Constitution dictates that Wars (by any other name) must be declared by Congress.
        George Washington said — “The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.”
        Ignorant people, like Danny and Martha, are mostly clueless to the reality of Crony Capitalism, and the wars they pursue for their own self-interests at the expense of the soldiers’ lives and the taxpayers’ money. But those ignorant people could learn (if they wanted) by reading the many books available that expose the scam perpetrated by the Crony Politicians and their Crony Capitalists on the rest of us. Here is just one:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Wall%20Street,%20Banks,%20and%20American%20Foreign%20Policy.pdf

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Martha says — “I really think the liberals have invaded and are putting on a mask of being conservative”.
        To the contrary, Martha, you are a NeoConservative masquerading as a True Conservative.

      • DaveH

        Danny says — “A real liberatarian is not represented by a nut case that does not believe we need military installations around the world to defend ourselves and our allies”.
        A real “nut case” is a person who thinks Libertarians advocate meddling in other countries’ business.

      • Fran

        I believe Paul Ryan is a great choice for the Republican ticket. He and Romney can turn this country around. Ron Paul sounds like a liberal on many issues. I am saying go Romney and Ryan

      • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.frana Eugene Frana

        To danny & Martha; You are completely wrong on Libertarian philosophy. You’re getting Libertarian’s mixed up with the Tea Party, which are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things.

      • texastwin827

        Danny, Ron Paul is NOT a nut case. With that in mind, I ask you why is it our responsibility to defend Germany & France (and the many other countries we have bases in)?

        Are they not capable of having their own military to defend themselves? While I have no objections to having bases in England, that is primarily because they are the ONLY “ally” who has consistently been our ally, in return.

        We were never meant to be the world’s “policeman”, by our founding fathers. In fact, they made it pretty clear that we should not become entangled in other countries affairs.

        There are few countries, in the world today, that would deserve support, at cost of the blood or the death of one young American. If we want to preserve any nation, it should be our own.

        Our troops would be better utilized with securing our own borders than that of a foreign nation.

      • Mimi

        I agree with you Danny. Myers is a Democrat in sheep’s clothing. I am so sick of imposters posing as conservatives.

      • s g

        Paul is WAY OFF on the drug and military issues. He would make a wonderful financial oversight committee chairmen in Romney’s administration.
        His son, Rand is more mainstream yet tough on spending and national security issues

      • john olson

        Ron Paul is just a senile old man who needs to find a nice comfortable retirement home and get out of politics. His ideas go back to the Wilson area and would not work in this newer world. We cannot be an isolationist country in this day and survive. Any person with a half a brain knows that.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        A Libertarian and/or Conservatives by now should know what they believe. It is rather ridiculous to have the Leftists dictate what ideology the Libertarians or Conservatives should believe so that the Leftists will be made happy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        conservative? do you even know what that means?

        conservative is not building an empire

        conservative isn’t having bases all over the world and cutting domestic spending for the citizens of this country

        conservative is NOT BIG GOVT.

      • NOBODY

        Well said Danny

      • SPEED

        Paul Ryan (a real libertarian or not) teamed with Mitt Romney is a better choice for the USA than 4 more years of destructive Obama non-presidential “leadership” (if you can even equate this word with OB). We need to move on from who could-da, should-da been the Republican Presidential or VP candidate and support a team that will remove OB (hopefully Reid and Pelosi also) and get the USA out of this economic mess we are drowning in!
        And I agree this John Myers article isn’t helping … a pretender; could be ……?

      • The GLB

        Danny @ 7:43:
        I am guessing that you are public-school educated like I am, but that is no excuse to stop educating yourself, in fact before I renewed my post-’Free’ education I sounded a lot like you.

        The Founding Fathers recognized the importance of NOT becoming involved in foreign entanglements and making entangling alliances, a policy that warmongers like Romney, Ryan, and other NWeO-cons (read: Pro New World Order; Pro War; Their version of a slightly Smaller Brand of BIG government) call “Isolationism”.

        How many military bases do we need surrounding Iran? The last number I read stated that there are 46. Now, I don’t know about you, but if I knew that there was a hostile nation, who is known for preemptively invading foreign countries on made-up premises, surrounding my state (which is slightly bigger than Iran, but with a lot more coastline) with 46 military bases I would be very nervous, scratch that I would be teaming up with that nation’s largest foe from the last century.

        It is NOT necessary to have our military in countries all over the world. No, No that is NOT right: it is necessary for the military industrial complex and the congressman and the presidents (both R’s and D’s) that are in bed with the military industrial complex to have military bases all over the world, but in no way does it make the United States more safe, safer, or mo’ safer (whichever one may prefer).

        As for some of the other comments I read about the ‘true’ definition of Libertarianism: all y’all could NOT be more wrong, wronger, or mo’ wronger (my errant grammar is a little hat tip to GWB).

      • http://republicaninthearts.blogspot.com Incognito

        Amen to that Danny. If these people continue to carp about the Romney/Ryan ticket they are effectively handing Obama/Biden another msierable 4 years. A Romney/Paul ticket would do the same thing. They’d have no vote. including mine.

      • Winddrinker

        texastwin, I agree that we should not be the “world’s policeman.” If we are, we have truly failed! Let these countries defend themselves. I lived in Germany for years and they have no expense when it come to supporting a military or providing their own security! American taxpayers foot that bill, as we do with other countries!

        Our large military bases are nothing but “FOREIGN WELFARE.” We are there to boost their economies with the expensive contracts and huge monthly payrolls that are spent in their countries. The American military was the 9th largest contributor to the German economy! If we pulled our military out, it would be very destructive to their economy and many businesses would close. Germany is a small country and they depend on these military dollars.

        We need our military back home to protect our borders, our security. We are the only country that doesn’t have borders! Without borders there is NO sovereignity.

        As for the middle east, there will never be anything accomplished among these waring tribes! That is all they are, it is a 7th century mentality, a tribal mentality. Saudi Arabia has twelve of these tribes. We can’t bring them into the present no matter how many young American lives are sacrificed or how many soldiers come home mutilated.

        If the tribes need a “lesson,” hit them hard, and come home! No rebuilding their infrastructure, schools, mosques, electrical grids, roads. Get out of these “tribal battles.” Let them destroy each other, without our participation. Want to devastate Afghanistan, burn their poppy fields and quit messing around. These governments “play us.” They will never be on our side, they will always “cling to their korans and their rifles.”

        And, John Meyers article stinks, throw it in the dumpster!

      • All American

        True, and why wouldn’t we vote for the current ticket? It’s our last… LAST chance to get rid of Oslima.

      • Gordon

        Mr Myers and responders,

        Ron Paul is idealism. Not electable.

        All the rhetoric and Chicken Little waving won’t change two facts that are THE most important in the upcoming election.

        1) The next President will most likely appoint at least one new Supreme Court Justice, possibly 5, who knows.

        2) Whether an asteroid hits, Yellowstone explodes, solar flares, terrorists attack, etc., or maybe even Jesus will come back.

        One thing is absolutely certain….. Muslim jihad will continue to infiltrate the United States physically and politically…. and sooner or later a shooting war will happen on United States homeland soil. Middle America knows this and is preparing.

        Most everything else is just “dust in the wind” that is distracting the population from the real issues facing our Nation.

        Now that China is dumping their Trillion of dollars of greenbacks and US paper wealth, inflation will arrive with a vengeance. World wide drought, and massive USA crop loss will trigger hardship on most of the population. Socio-economic collapse is not a stretch of the imagination.

        Regardless of the election results, December 2012 is the end of life in the United States of America as we have known it.
        Many believe that a shooting war will happen on United States homeland soil. Middle America knows this and is preparing.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Do any of you even know the definition of conservative?!? It follows, “holding to traditional attitudes and VALUES and cautious about change or innovation”. There is NOTHING conservative about romney OR ryan!!! They do not have traditional VALUES and they are NOT cautious about change, particularly as they CHANGE the meaning of the Constitution!!! Any of you who claim to be conservative yet feel you must hold your nose to vote for them are not conservative either! You HAVE NO values! You have NO INTEGRITY!!! The purpose of voting is to elect someone that carries the same values as you do, INTEGRITY!!! So, don’t CLAIM to be conservative. Don’t CLAIM to have VALUES. And don’t CLAIM to have INTEGRITY if you are willing to vote for someone that does NOT have your values! Your VALUES and INTEGRITY mean NOTHING if you’re not willing to back them up!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Martha, if you’re looking for people who agree with you, why would you come to a Libertarian website? If you don’t like the tone and subjects of the articles, why stay? Perhaps you could find a site where everyone agrees with you and you might be happier.

      • DaveH

        John Olson says — “Ron Paul is just a senile old man”
        Funny, John, that “senile old man” runs logical circles around your ignorant younger NeoConservative candidates.

        John Olson says — “His ideas go back to the Wilson area”.
        You mean Woodrow Wilson, or is there another Wilson that I’ve never heard of?
        What the heck are they teaching you guys these days? Wilson was a Constitution-Trampling Progressive — The polar opposite of Ron Paul.

        John Olson says — “We cannot be an isolationist country in this day and survive. Any person with a half a brain knows that”.
        Well, I guess that leaves you out, John, because Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. He is a Non-Interventionist. He believes in trading peacefully with other countries, NOT at the point of a gun.

        It’s no wonder our country is in such a mess with such ignorant people as you voting, John.

      • pearl87

        I don’t understand the RINO need to insist that there can be no reasonable difference of opinion on issues, such as policing the world. It is so similar to the liberal mentality, it takes one’s breath away. Hence we always hear from the left, that the “science is settled” when there is no scientific proof. It would seem that Romney supporters are much more closely allied to the left than the right. Let’s be clear here. Your guy, Romney, will never get the votes of true American patriots. Those who believe in limited govt will not vote for this mirror image of Obama, because there can be no benefit to our country.

      • Bay0Wulf

        I consider the fact that we have bases all over the world protecting our, as well as others’ freedom and “Rights” to be a “good thing” and don’t believe that we should summarily close them. That said however, I think that we as a Nation have done an awful lot for the entire world in terms of guaranteeing their safety at our expense … and we can’t afford to continue to do so.

        I think/believe that we should go to all those countries and tell them that we are in the position of closing the various bases but that we will continue to stay and provide the protections they seek and want (even while they spit on and castigate us) provided they create a “Defense Budget” of their own because we are going to charge for our services.

        #1. The countries should be expected to “give” us the land upon which our bases are built at no cost for the duration of our presence there. No cost at all.
        #2. The countries should be expected to shoulder something like 75% of the actual cost of us being there.
        #3. The countries should also pay us for keeping the sea lanes open commensurate with their usage of theses lanes. Corporations should expect to be charged similarly for our protecting them (unless otherwise paid for by their government)
        #4. We should bow out of the UN in all aspects while remaining available to them to assist in their efforts. Provided only that they pay the USA on a case by case basis and accept the fact that we control our military in all aspects. The UN may make their wishes known but in the actual situation our military will determine the level of response without recognizing the UN’s “peace-keeping” mantra. There should never come a time where our military wears or swears fealty to the UN. There should never come a time where the UN is able to force us to “stand by” and not engage once we are brough in to clean up their mess.

        This would not make us overly popular but then … we are already not popular and the world can pay for our “keeping their peace”.

        We are the world’s only unpaid Police / Security Force and it is time to end this practice. By doing this, we could continue to have a strong presence the world over without a constant drain on our own coffers.

      • Belinda

        Amen.

      • DixieBelle

        I’m sure the Russians feel well protected with only one base outside of Russia – the one they have in Syria. We don’t need a military base in practically every country in the world to protect ourselves in the US. We need the money being spent on those bases and the ransom we are paying to those countries to rebuild the economy in this country. I’m afraid Ron Paul got it right.

      • None

        Actually, any who believe we need foreign military bases around the world in addition to those of our allies, and are obliged to attack any disagreeing with our sociopathic leaders, at the financial expense and lives of our citizens, are the nut cases.

    • steve

      like i’ve been saying , same body with a different face.

    • SamFox

      DavidH, good post.

      Thanks to the author of the lead for reminding us about Ron Paul, a poster man for libertarianism, Constitutional fidelity, fiscal restraint, consistent conservatism, honesty, integrity & consistency of message & platform. Ron rarely changes his mind on issues, unlike serial flip floppers Romney & 0.

      Agreed. Ryan is NOT a libertarian. He’s not even a true conservative. But that’s seems to be OK. Neither are Mitt & 0 conservative. :-) Seems OK with the RNC, DNC, prison industrial & military complexes, warriors against some drugs, over spenders, big govt growers, & collapse the US agenda followers like Bush & 0, but is not OK with us who want a true Constitutional fiscal conservative in the WH.

      Judging by Ryan’s vote record I think it safe to say he is a CINO-RINO phony baloney, big govt & over spending lackey, just like GWB, 0 , GW’s dad & many other POTUSes & Congresses.

      If the RNC were truly about changing the status quo by reigning in the war machine, restoring civil liberties, reducing spending, regulation & taxes they would not have tried to marginalize, ignore & bury Ron Paul. That they again gave us RINO-CINO candidates like they did last time w/John McManchurian tells me the RNC is as genuine as a $3 bill.

      SamFox

    • Ted

      dave – IMHO, libertarianism is a watered down version of of classical anarchism. Anarchists saw all government as evil, or at least a waste of time. Libertarians admit that there are legitimate uses of governmental power: defense, stabilizing the currency, patents, enforcing a few basic laws, etc.

      Libertarians, then run counter to both the liberals and the conservatives. Liberals want to protect the country from the excesses of the free market systems, while conservatives want the government to enforce right living.

      • DaveH

        Ted says — “Libertarians admit that there are legitimate uses of governmental power: defense, stabilizing the currency, patents, enforcing a few basic laws, etc.”.
        Back to study room, Ted. Libertarians do NOT admit that Government should stabilize the currency, or patent law:
        http://mises.org/daily/468
        Government is not capable of stabilizing the currency; only of creating extra money when they or their cohorts need it at the rest of our expense. It is just not physically or politically possible for Governments to stabilize a currency.

      • DaveH

        You need desperately to read this book, Ted, and learn something about Money:
        http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    • Bay0Wulf

      I’ll give you this. I don’t believe that Mitt & Paul are the “best thing since sliced bread”. I don’t think that they will roll things back to a pre-Obama state of affairs. I think that they will do some things to rectify the situation but … neither of them actually “passes” the TEA Party “test”.

      Nevertheless, Obama must be removed from office. We cannot afford or allow his policies and agenda to continue to move forward.

      I am hoping that I am wrong about Mitt & Paul. Perhaps they will be like Ronnie and surprise me with their ability and outlook even though I highly doubt it. On the other hand, in 2014 and 2016 there will be another chance for the TEA Party and Conservatives to become more entrenched and maybe come up with (vet) a more viable Candidate come the next Presidential election if Mitt & Paul fail to perform as required.

      Ron Paul … this time anyway … is just not electable and we NEED to oust Obama.

      I DO NOT want the TEA Party to become an “Official 3rd Party”. I believe that they are doing an amazing job of vetting viable candidates for any and all offices (even if some of them call themselves Democrats). As a 4 year old (approx) “Agency for Change” they have done and are doing a superb job.

      We have to allow time for them to make the changes at Local, State and Federal levels. We have to support their efforts. We must get more true Conservatives (my version of Conservative is “Constitutional”) into places where they can make a difference. Then we must watch them to ensure that they do not fall into the “Old Boy” frame of mind. The more Conservatives that are in place the quicker we can turn things around.

      One of the greatest delights in my 30+ year of Political awareness was when the Republicans welcomed the TEA Party candidates with open arms thinking to co-opt them into their “Club” and got stiff-armed by almost every one. Then the Republicans came out against the TEA Party … THAT says we are really doing something RIGHT!

      Give them your support. Morally and, if possible, financially. Learn to be patient (I KNOW its hard!) Help them to fill in the gaps in our Government whenever possible. Understand that this is a LONG battle (look how long the Left, Socialistic, Communistic, Liberals took to get where they are). We may not see everything repaired in our lifetime but … we can feel assured that … at least WE … will have left it better than we found it.

      • Belinda

        At last a voice of reason. And common sense. Here is hoping that someone out there will listen. If that is possible.

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