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Paul Ryan: Just Another Neocon

August 17, 2012 by  

Paul Ryan: Just Another Neocon
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Republican presumptive Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan seems to be becoming a superhero of the GOP as mainstream “conservatives” are smitten to the point of drool-inducing stupor.

And it makes sense. Before the Wisconsin Representative — known as a “budget hawk” and “policy mastermind” — came dashing into the frame, Republican voters’ strongest inclination to cast a ballot for Mitt Romney, the party’s presumptive Presidential nominee, was because his name isn’t Barack Obama.

For the well-informed among conservatives, the mental anguish of having to lie to themselves about Romney being the man who is going to undo or reverse the rapid American march “Forward.” unto an even more massive Federal apparatus and complete socialism is unimaginable. And, to be honest, they are not the conservatives they believe themselves to be. “Moderates,” “hopeless reactionaries” and “ignorant” are all terms that come to mind in describing those who would allow themselves to believe Romney will in any way be restorative to American liberty, but “truly conservative” certainly does not.

Those who proclaim a love for liberty, small government and strict adherence to the Constitution know that Obama has no similar passions, but they also know that Romney lacks the same passions as well.

On the rights of sportsmen and of Americans to be able to defend themselves, there’s that pesky problem about Romney’s penchant for hunting “small varmints.” He has a dodgy gun control record, has claimed to own firearms that he didn’t in an effort to score an endorsement from the National Rifle Association and passed what The Associated Press referred to as “one of the toughest assault weapons laws in the country” when he was Governor of Massachusetts.

But he isn’t a guy named Obama with a questionable 2nd Amendment record.

Romney has faced a constant thorn in his side because he created the basis for the big government health law known as Obamacare during his time as Governor. He recently cited the value of Israel’s individual mandate healthcare plan.

But he isn’t a guy named Obama with an admiration for socialized medicine.

Those worried about the increasingly brazen and tyrannical nature of government spying and police state violations of Constitutional rights can find little solace in Romney’s history. During his tenure as Governor of Massachusetts, Romney issued executive orders to set up two of the Nation’s first fusion centers — the intelligence hubs where vast amounts of Americans’ personal data are analyzed, stored and shared by law enforcement agencies.

The similarities between Romney and Obama far trump the dissimilarity of their names. But, hey, at least the socialized, unConstitutional, disarmed, plutocratic Nation will not be under the leadership of a big government liar named Obama if the GOP comes out on top. It will be a big government liar named Romney steering the ship toward total tyranny.

The Romney ticket is no accident. Beyond shouting about conservative social issues, the Republican Party is no more “conservative” than the Democratic. The Democratic and Republican parties are both bought and paid for by the same corporate interests and work in unison to achieve the same goal of enslaving the American populace to an endless cycle of debt, consumption and war for profit. Romney and Obama may as well be the same man, simply a figurative representation of choice to cloak America’s plutocratic political system.

Of course, the GOP has suffered some consequences by foisting such an Obama-like candidate and expecting their diehards to swallow hard and march on. The party has been met with force by a large contingent of conservatives who refuse to throw conviction aside and support Romney; many of them were Ron Paul supporters, and others are just tired of the lies. These people have not been quiet in their dissidence, and with each shout risk pulling another rank-and-file Republican out of his “well, he isn’t Obama” stupor. As much criticism as the GOP leadership deserves for whoring itself to special interests and lying about having any concern for a Constitutional America, they should get credit for an act of brilliant political manipulation to ensure the proclamations of these dissenters fall on deaf ears.

Enter Ryan, who will go down in history as the most libertarian-looking neocon to have ever walked the halls of Congress.

He’s fostered the image of a budget-slashing maniac, bent on reducing government spending by any means possible.

Republican rank-and-files have been drooling over Ryan since he introduced his House-approved budget plan which seeks to avoid tax hikes and cuts in military spending while simultaneously putting bloated entitlement spending programs on the chopping block. The infatuation with Ryan’s plan to “stop spending money the government doesn’t have” is less for the few free-market ideas presented therein and more for the fact that liberals have been freaking out about provisions that call for a restructuring of Medicare.

If liberals are enraged, however, Ryan’s plan had to be a creation of pure small government genius, right? Actually, no. Ryan’s plan is actually only marginally better than the budget Obama presented. The President wants to spend $3.8 trillion in fiscal year 2013 and foresees spending $5.8 trillion in fiscal year 2022. Obama believes that Federal spending would amount to 22.5 percent of gross domestic product, while revenues would average 19.2 percent of GDP.

Ryan, on the other hand, would spend $3.5 trillion in 2013 and $4.9 trillion in 2022. Spending as an average of GDP would average 20 percent of GDP, and revenue would amount to 18.3 percent. Ryan’s plan is essentially more of the same; it grows government spending and fails to cut anything of substance. But at least it freaked out liberals.

The reason Ryan’s plan could not possibly begin to meaningfully reduce government spending is directly related to his neocon ideals.

He is a supporter of the same illegal military operations carried out under both the George W. Bush and Obama Administrations. He voted to add a trillion dollars or so to the Federal debt burden by borrowing to fund the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

After begging other lawmakers to follow suit — seriously, begging – Ryan voted “yes” to the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP) and “yes” to a $15 billion bailout for General Motors Co. and Chrysler to support crony capitalism and failed business practices. He also voted “yes” on an economic stimulus bill in 2008 and in favor of further economic stimulus to the tune of $192 billion in 2009.

He has sought to portray himself as dedicated to slashing government handouts to non-producers.

During the Bush Administration, Ryan voted “yes” for the massive healthcare entitlement called the limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients; that came with unfunded future costs of more than $7 trillion.

In 2006, Ryan voted to distribute $70 million in taxpayer money in the form of section 8 housing vouchers.

In 2008, Ryan voted “yes” on an unemployment benefit extension from 39 weeks to 59 weeks.

He claims he is a conservative who wants the Federal government to step back and allow Americans to enjoy freedoms granted in the Constitution.

If anything about Ryan is scary, it is his support of big-government nannyism.

He apparently rejects the idea that American parents and teachers should play a bigger role in children’s education than Federal bureaucrats, as he voted “yes” to No Child Left Behind during Bush’s Presidency.

Ryan also shares the belief of the Bush Administration and Obama that Americans deserve no right to privacy from the watchful eye of the Big Brother Department of Homeland Security. He voted to extend Patriot Act wiretapping and make it permanent. He voted against requiring warrants for domestic wiretapping and in favor of eliminating warrants on all electronic surveillance. He also voted in favor of the Internet spy bill, the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act.

Ryan voted “yes” on the National Defense Authorization Act and against repealing its provision allowing the indefinite detention of Americans.

Ryan is opposed to any budget cuts in defense spending or to the national surveillance apparatus.

It isn’t surprising that Ryan claims he is a real conservative, even though his record reeks of Bush/Cheney neocon values that do nothing for liberty. Perhaps a quote from Libertarian superhero Ayn Rand — whom Ryan claimed to admire for many years, and bizarrely denounced recently — best describes why he is portrayed as a conservative.

In Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Ryan’s former favorite Russian-born atheist writes:

The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of “conservatism” and “liberalism” which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men.

Ryan is energizing conservative voters who have, to this point, had no faith in their candidate beyond his not-Obama name. But the Vice Presidential pick’s talents aren’t really in cutting budgets and manipulating policy in the best interest of liberty, as many conservative voters have been led to believe. His greatest talent is the same as any other politician that has been in the White House during the past several decades: using foggy, undefined, rubber terms to make the American populace believe that there is an option beyond plutocratic tyranny in the two-party political system.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • jorind

    Flashy, as usual, you are still laughable, in a perverted sense.

  • Flashy

    Ryan was Romney’s gift to Pres. Obama. Romney solidified the far right whacked segment of the GOP, and now has to denigrate Obama to bring the Independent voters in. Once the Ryan budget, voting record, stances become better known…they’ll still have the far right whacked vote.

    I’m changing my position though. it will be either a close popular vote and a 30-40 point electoral margin for Obama, or a landslide and Obama wins big. The House is now in play.

    What is energizing the Dems is that they have a candidate in Obama who is playing by the GOP rules and taking the battle to them with vigor. in the past, the Dems would complain, take the honorable high road, and lose as the GOP played a no rules, no honor or shame game. After what Romney did to the field in the primaries, hearing him whine about Obama playing rough is laughable.

    • Dorian Douglas

      Flashy

      If you think Ryan is a gift to BO, watch the video at the White House Healthcare summit, where he took Obama apart. Then look at Obama’s face & demeanor since the Ryan choice was announced. Then look at all the new polls. The man looks beat already.

      As for Romney whining, I see it as good rebuttals, and he is winning (so far) that battle, too. Obama will never get to 50% of the vote, and Ryan will help pick off almost all the swing states. Look at the polls already. The popular vote will be pretty close, because almost 50% of the people are dependent on a government check, and pay no fed taxes. The key will be electoral votes, and Romney/Ryan will win that before midnite on election day.

      Dorian Douglas

    • lol

      Wow, I’ve finally seen flashy cow poop! Hey FLASHY, you’re so full of it (BS) that you obviously don’t have room for honesty and truth. But thanks for the hearty laugh with your lie about the dems taking the honorable high road. I’ve been paying attention for at least 30 years, since I was a teen, and I’ve yet to see it. How about some honest proof?? At least try it once!

    • Dale left coast

      Flashey . . . . the Kenyan Pinocheo in the WH would not know the truth if it knocked on the Wh door. His nose is sooooo long you could hang your laundry on it.
      He and his sidekick, dopy Biden are an embarasement to any thinking US citizen, even a Dimmicrap (a rarity).

  • El Gringo

    Well Ryan can’t be all bad if he engenders apoplexy upon Democrats at the mere mention of his name.

  • Geno

    But just imagine for a moment if everyone who thinks Ron Paul can’t beat Obummer just decided to do the right thing and vote for Ron Paul instead of the lesser of 2 evils….what would happen?

    • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

      Even if almost everyone did that, it would split the conservative vote, and Obama would win. This election stands on a knifes edge as it is. Romney is going to need every vote he can get. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

      Even if 90% of Romney supporters went for Paul AND he got ALL of the undecided, he’d still lose if the election were held today http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    • http://www.facebook.com/Brownink09 Frank B.

      Geno, the history of 3rd party candidates is not so good! BUT, we have the internet and the ability to get massive word out to the public. It’s a HUGE fight, but it would sure give the R and D’s a run for the money! If everyone TRIES and actually WORKS to get the word out! Write-in Ron Paul for prez, ABOLISH the fed reserve, and return to the GOLD standard! Quit crying about how a 3rd party vote is the same as a vote for BO, if you want change you can believe in!

      FB

      • UCU

        That – A – Boy

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        yeah, good luck with that

    • Dave67

      That is the thing that makes me mad… People think you have to vote Dem or GOP and to not is a “waste of your vote”

      Their cowardice helps maintain the status quo… It is that status quo that has screwed things up.

      We need people to vote liberal/conservative third party to get rid of the corporatists at the local/state and national levels.

  • Norm

    Ronald Reagan’s Director of the Office of Management and Budget, David A. Stockman, calls the Ryan plan
    “fairy-tale.”
    “In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.”

    • Dorian Douglas

      David Stockman also got taken to the woodshed by Ronald Reagan, so I don’t put faith in him.

      As to the rest of your comments, you may be right. But Romney above all else is a business man, and has never been accused of what you claim. We won’t know until we give him the chance.

      He did for Mass what was good for Mass (if you don’t understand the difference between Mass health care & Obamacare, you’re not listening). He has promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with free-market, patient based care (and so has Ryan- watch his video at the White House health-care Summit, when he took Obama apart). Romney did for the Olympics what was good for the Olympics. He did for companies what was good for companies. He’ll do his best to do the best for the country. It is in his DNA to fix things. He can’t possibly do woese than what we have. Even doing nothing would be an upgrade.

      Dorian Douglas

  • Ginger

    OK, you had your say. What is your solution?????

    • DaveH
      • Dorian Douglas

        I am a libertarian. Voting for a libertarian who can’t win is voting for the worse of the other 2. And the only thing worse than that is not voting. How about voting for the constitution (as much as possible). And Ron Paul ain’t that guy. Perhaps you neglected to read the part in the constitution about “provide for the national defense”? He has neglected it.

        And what is his economic plan, except to abolish the Fed? Good idea, but it doesn’t fix the rest of the problems. A one-trick pony isn’t the answer.

        Wise up,

        Dorian Douglas

      • DaveH

        Dorian,
        You’re no Libertarian. Quit pretending.
        What has defense got to do with military interventions all over the world into other countries’ business?
        Ron Paul’s stance on defense:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/national-defense/

      • DaveH

        Dorian says — “And what is his economic plan, except to abolish the Fed? Good idea, but it doesn’t fix the rest of the problems. A one-trick pony isn’t the answer”.
        One-trick-pony? That sounds like something the multi-personality Flashman would say.
        Ron Paul’s plan:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

        I repeat, Dorian, you are no Libertarian. But you ARE probably a Disinformer.

      • DaveH
      • eddie47d

        Lets make it real clear Dorian Ron Paul is extremely strong on national defense and nothing says otherwise. What he is opposed to is foreign aggression into other countries to falsely gain something. Those wars are expensive and does precious little for our integrity.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        OMG!!! eddie, did you REALLY SAY THAT?!?

      • DaveH

        Yes he did, Nancy. I think he’s trying to undermine me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

    I’m voting for Romney/Ryan for the same reason I vote Republican every time; because I’m pro-life and I hope to get a conservative judge on the court. I know the parties are pretty much the same on a lot of issues, but the Ryan pick gave me a bit of hope that Romney will stay flipped on his flip flop abortion stance. I am not willing to take a chance on another 4 years of the babay-killer. I know that the more people who go for Ron Paul, the more likely Obama gets in. I think if we hold our noses on the presidential election, and work hard to get some real conservatives in congressional seats, we just may stand a chance.

    • DaveH

      Lisa,
      How do you square your pro-life stand with the millions of killings that have been done around the world by the US military, which Romney and Ryan support?

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        I square it by realizing that Obama also has supported those wars and would continue to do so, Abortion is one issue I can genuinely differentiate the candidates on. Also, isolationism is one of the areas that make libertarians look like kooks. War may be ugly, and I know a lot of those people don’t deserve to suffer, but there must be reasons that I don’t know for engaging in those specific areas. I don’t think that presidents are just sadistic bastards who want to kill American soldiers, spend billions of dollars, hurt our standing in the world, and kill innocent bystanders for no reason whatsoever. There may be information concerning national security that you and I are not privy to.

      • DaveH

        Since when, Lisa, do two wrongs make a right?
        Libertarians are NOT isolationists. They are non-interventionists. We leave other countries’ people alone to determine they own personal choices. We trade peaceably with other voluntary participants in Free Markets. We expect Government people to behave in the same moral manner that other people are expected to behave. And you call US kooks?
        Lisa says — “War may be ugly, and I know a lot of those people don’t deserve to suffer, but there must be reasons that I don’t know for engaging in those specific areas”.
        You don’t know the reasons, yet you vote for their war-mongering, Lisa? Remind me to have you expunged from the jury if I’m ever falsely accused.
        Lisa says — “I don’t think that presidents are just sadistic bastards who want to kill American soldiers, spend billions of dollars, hurt our standing in the world, and kill innocent bystanders for no reason whatsoever”.
        Of course there’s a reason. They want more Power and Perks, and they can achieve that by intervening in other countries’ business. Those “bastards who want to kill American soldiers” are behaving no differently than those “bastards who want to kill” them. And our military is in THEIR country.
        Read chapter 8 “War and Patriotism” (page 333) and reset your Moral Compass, Lisa:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • Dave67

        DaveH actually has something intelligent to say… well done ole boy…

        Obama DID NOT support the Iraq boondoggle… #1 We killed Osama and we need to get out of Afghanistan NOW and help them rebuild their country Obama was able to do what bush failed to do and he failed because he took resources away from Afghanistan and put them into the lie that was Iraq.

        Nobody WANTS abortion Lisa. Its about control over your own reproductive life… Thats the core issue… I am pro-choice and like most, would like to see an end to the practice of abortion. You end abortion be dealing with the issues that cause women to seek it in the first place… But then that requires work and effort… Easier just to ban…

        How is the war on drugs going Lisa? Cocaine is illegal… Crystal meth is illegal… nobody does it right Lisa?

        Making abortion illegal does not stop the practice… Thats what you want right? I know that is what I want….

      • Jeff

        Dave:

        As I’m sure you know, nothing will fire up the insults on this blog more than saying things that make sense. Wear your raincoat!

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “DaveH actually has something intelligent to say”.
        That makes one of us, Dave67.

      • eddie47d

        Both Dave’s should be agreeing on those issues yet Dave H decided to take a low blow. No wonder everyone seems confused on this site.

      • Dave67

        More name calling from DaveH :-(

        But typical coming from a person with no original ideas of his own.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        well, if thats how you feel, then go waste your vote. But I don’t accept that Obama didn’t support the wars when he has continued both for his entire tenure. Also, your ranting doesn’t help your kook image. I never said you were kooks, but that is how a lot of people see you. The military is an important part of the fed’s constitutional mandate. Obviously you are pro-choice, and I respect your view. My vote reflects my view.

      • Dave67

        Lisa, I do not care about being called a “kook” by DaveH and his ilk….

        Lisa, can you tell me the problem with ending abortion by dealing with the issues that cause women to seek them? If women did not seek them, would that not end abortion? Surely you understand the “demand” side of “supply and demand” don’t you?

        Iraq, Obama could not simply up and leave… you should know that.

        Afghanistan, we got our guy and the organization so now it is time to leave militarily.

        Obama was handed a mess, and these messes are not simple to fix and it is doubly hard when you have Congress bent on acting like children while this country sinks. Obama has failed in many areas, some of it is on him, most however is a team failure. Both parties…

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        Dave67 are you an anarchist then? Should we abolish all laws because some people will inevitably break them? You talk out of both sides of your mouth saying “we should get out of Afghanistan” but also “we should help them rebuild” so which is it? we surely can’t help them from here. Then you say you are pro choice, but would like to see abortion end? which is it? either you believe in choice or you do not. I find you disingenuous to say the least.

      • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

        Daveh you left me on this one! How do you compare a bomb or a gun to an uncaring monster who tears living, but unborn, babies into pieces and pulls them from a mothers womb, supposedly the safest place on earth? Or the “doctor” who uses a long needle to push through the woman’s stomach into the babies heart, injects poison, then sends her to a hospital to have the dead baby removed?

        I have fought in two wars, Korea and Vietnam and have never seen wanton slaughter of innocent civilians. It is a truism that the two combatants are safer than the civilians, for only one side can cause their death, while both sides can kill the civilians. But, in both wars I have see American forces hold back an attack while civilians leave the area.

      • Dave67

        Lisa,

        Back in the 1980′s we supported the rebels against the Soviets… After the Soviet’s left, we left Afghanistan to fend for itself. How did that turn out? We need to help their infrastructure get built right or we invide the same extremists to take over.

        I am for people making their own choices for their lives (Pro-Choice) but at the same time I believe in people (men and women) taking responsibility for their actions which is part of the effort and work needed to end abortion.

        Abortion is not easy for a women mentally and physically, most women do not go into abortion easily, at least not the ones I know. For men to make decisions about what a women should do with her body or what forms of BC if any at all are ok is controlling and pathetic. Do you ever wonder why all of these “religious” figures are male?

        You may think me disingenuous because I disagree with your position and that is your opinion. I would call you misguided because you do not think the issues through properly.

        DaveH may have a mises.org link for you to view in a few minutes.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        Dave67, I’m afraid we are grossly off-topic here, but I will respond,although I don’t think this is the place for an abortion debate. People have abortions because they want to have sex but not babies. period. I don’t think all the social programs the govt. can think up is going to do anything about that. And even if they could, people would just call it ‘interfering’ in a woman’s right to ‘choose.’ I can tell you now that any attempt to change my position on this issue is a waste of your time.

        As far as the wars go, as I said in my OP both parties engage in the practice of foreign interference. We have interests in the middle east, both financial and political. I do not have enough access to information regarding national security to make an informed decision on my vote based on this issue. If you have access to govt. secrets that will reveal the intricacies of our foreign policy, by all means….

      • Dave67

        Lisa, you brought Abortion into it and you made the allegation that Obama supported the Iraq war…The first, you are right, is off topic… The second is completely false.

        If Obama supported the Iraq war, he would never got my vote in 2008.

      • Jeff

        Obama’s stance on Iraq was very consistent. He called it a dumb war at the time of the invasion. (When I heard Bush talk about democracy in Iraq, it occurred to me that means Iran wins. I knew that might be beyond W’s understanding, but surely he had advisors who had some knowledge of the area if not any wisdom.)

        When he ran for president, he won the nomination largely on the strength of his opposition to the Iraq War and Hillary’s silly vote to authorize W’s use of military action. Now, W lied to Congress by saying he needed the authorization to avoid the invasion, but politicians as experienced as Hillary should have seen through that (and probably did). After all, I saw through it. To me, Cheney was nothing but an up-dated McNamara – all matter-of-fact style and certitude followed by unadulterated lies.

        But, Obama also said numerous times during the campaign that we must be as careful withdrawing from Iraq as we were careless going in. So, he never claimed he’d end the war immediately. In fact, he stuck to the timetable negotiated before he took office. But, it still took political skill and guts to do that. Do you really think W would have stuck to the timetable or would he have found a reason to stay? Certainly McCain wanted to stay essentially forever.

      • Dale left coast

        “Millions of Killings” . . . ? dave take a breath . . . there were no millions of killings . . . more people died in Chicago than were killed by the US Military in Iraq.
        I think you have confused things with the izzlamo-fascists who have killed many 100′s of thousands in recent decades . . . they may even have killed over a million.
        Your take on Foreign Policy seems a lot like RP . . . just clueless ! ! !

      • DaveH

        Do you people have any cognitive powers at all? I didn’t say I support abortion. I simply asked how somebody who claims to care about unborn babies doesn’t apply that same morality to grown adults (aka Government killings).

      • DaveH
      • Dave67

        Can’t help you there DaveH, these are your people….

        I know what you said and what you meant… But to the religious nuts… the term “abortion” causes them to foam at the mouth…

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “If Obama supported the Iraq war, he would never got my vote in 2008″.
        You mean if Obama had SAID he supported the Iraq war. It took Obama nearly 3 years to finally keep his promise to exit Iraq. And then it was by request of the Iraqi regime:
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Do you think it is wise to stop a war cold and just go home after we destroyed the country?

        Do you have a mises.org link that explains that wisdom?

        Obama ended the war on schedule. The idiot GOP like Santorum, Romney and the rest of the clowns on the extremist right would have use still stuck in the mire while precious resources would not have been available for the killing of Bin Laden.

        Yes, if Obama supported that war, I would not have voted for him because I believe that wars should only happen when we are attacked. Iraq was never a threat to this country and they never attacked the United States.

        One of these days DaveH, you might know what you are talking about.

      • http://www.facebook.com/lisa.toomey.7 Lisa Toomey

        DaveH I believe I answered you clearly and concisely. There are many issues on which you can base your vote, I have chosen mine. Unless Jesus Christ himself came down and ran for president, you are not going to find a perfect candidate. But I am beginning to see that that is exactly what Ron Paul followers think they have found.

        Dave67 on what basis do you call me a religious nut? My tounge-in-cheek comment to JC in my response to DaveH is my only ‘religious’ reference.

        I thought this site would be a place for some intelligent debate. Disappointed. I hope you all enjoy another 4 years of Obama

      • Dave67

        Lisa,

        Where did I call you a “religious nut”?

        I did not… But since you are on the subject. Too many on the right look at a person’s stance on the issue of abortion and vote accordingly even if it is against their economic interests.

        The perfect candidate does not exist. You are correct. The problem is us… We allow politicians to lie to our faces and think that is ok. Where else to we allow anyone to have that level of deceit and get away with it? We have allowed big monied interests to control the debate, We have allowed public service news to become infotainment and we have allowed two parties to convince us that they are the only game in town.

        But what do I know? I am just a liberal…

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Do you think it is wise to stop a war cold and just go home after we destroyed the country?”.
        Just a minute, Dave67, I’m going to try and find my grandchild’s Dick and Jane book so I can explain this to you on your level.
        We got out of Iraq because the Iraqi Leaders didn’t want us to be there anymore. They asked us to leave. Capiche?
        The article I linked to stated that. You did read the article, didn’t you? Of course you wouldn’t. You’re not here to learn anything, only to spread misinformation.

  • Ken

    Paul Ryan Voted for?!!

    Paul Ryan’s Principles…

    https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/u/0/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4#1392cb297ef8939e_11

    Nuff said.

  • DaveH

    Sam says — “Perhaps a quote from Libertarian superhero Ayn Rand”.
    But Ayn Rand was an Objectivist, NOT a Libertarian. Close, but remember close only counts in ….
    http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Libertarianism

  • Dave67

    Neocon BTW is a BS term. Neo-Con stands for a conservative that actually gains power and enacts their priorities. corporatism, BS wars and tax cut and spend policy.

    If anyone with a (D) next to their name is a liberal then anyone with a (R) next to their name is a conservative… you conservatives can’t have it both ways.

    • DaveH

      Dave67, the Disinformer, who has been here plenty long enough to understand the difference between a True Conservative and a Neo Conservative:
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/07/disinformation-how-it-works/

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        I am using the same BS you do to describe Democrats… To people like you, they are all liberals…

        Don’t like it? Tough….You make wild generalizations about the left, liberals and progressives… I can give you a taste of your own medicine…

        There is no such things as neocons… That is another way conservatives skirt any responsibility for what they do…

      • eddie47d

        I have said that before Dave 67 and they still continue to lay claim to superiority. They only mention those expensive wars when it convenient or the loosening of bankster rules that gave Corporations and Mortgage companies free reign to screw the public. All have cost this nation dearly and the blame is wide spread.

      • Dave67

        Eddie,

        DaveH is blissfully unaware of his hypocrisy on the matter… He gets his panties in a bunch if you calll a conservative like Bush 2 a conservative, but he is happy to throw the “liberal, progressive” label at any Democrat… Even to a fellow conservative like Ben Nelson (D) or to Obama who has governed as a center right president…

        He just isn’t right wing enough for these people…

        Think about it:

        Obama has stopped the job bleeding
        Obama killed Osama (Sorry, if Reagan defeated the USSR, Obama killed Osama)
        Obama has reduced the numbers of Fed Employees on the books
        Obama got rid of the Libyan Dictator at a fraction of the cost and no US casualties, unlike the conservative war of Iraq.

        On that record alone, if Obama was a Republican, they would already have airports renamed in his honor.

        All while dealing with a opposition party who made it clear in 2008, that they did not want jobs to be their #1 priority, it was to make Obama a 1 term president. This during the worst economic time since the depression.

        The right are funny, ignorant people to these realities…

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “I am using the same BS you do to describe Democrats… To people like you, they are all liberals…”.
        There are Progressives in both major Parties. And I make that point often, Dave67. But if I do generalize in such a manner as you describe, feel free to point that out in any specific instance, like I do with your disinforming comments.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “DaveH is blissfully unaware of his hypocrisy on the matter”.
        Again, Dave67, I say feel free to point out specific instances of my hypocrisy.
        Meanwhile, your personal attacks are groundless and useless. But then that’s the Progressive way, isn’t it?

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Obama has stopped the job bleeding”.
        Oh?
        From the BLS site:
        Total Non-Farm employment for January 2009 (Obama took office) — 133561000
        Total Non-Farm employment for May 2012 (Latest Actual figures) — 133018000
        Over 3 years of Obama and $2 Trillion of Stimulus Packages and we still have 543,000 fewer jobs than when he took office.
        For those who can’t comprehend such big numbers, $2 Trillion is about $6500 per each US citizen, and about $20,000 per family (3.1 people per family). To lose jobs?

      • Dave67

        Ok DaveH,

        “Obama’s not a Marxist? Because the very Progressive Alex says so?”

        There is #1

        As time goes on, I will let you know when you make more of your wild accusations.

      • DaveH

        That’s really weak, Dave67:
        http://i.imgur.com/u6uKN.jpg

        I’ll be waiting breathlessly for your efforts.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        What is weak are your mises.org theory that to put for everything you post here. How much do they pay you?

      • DaveH

        Nobody pays me and I get nothing out of it, save perhaps knowing that my children and grandchildren will have a better future.
        On the other hand, Dave67, the fact that you repeat the same unsupported Propaganda over and over, no matter how many times we’ve proved you wrong, tells me that you probably are being paid, or at the very least an overpaid Government Employee who fears losing his gravy train.

      • Jeff

        Dave, watch out. Your grandkids are after your MONEY.

        BTW, I placed your name in nomination to be Ron Paul’s running mate. I look forward to your debate performance like in ’92.

      • nc

        DaveH, of all of the Presidents listed above and their national debt increases Obama went into office with the biggest mess to correct! Right?? Fixing that, first, required stopping the cause of losses of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A MONTH (A NATIONAL RECORD) that was occurring BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE. That cost money a better economy would not have cost him! Right??
        Next, what to do about TWO unfunded wars no incoming President had ever faced before! Wars cost money! Big money! Obama is still paying the interest on the money bush borrowed to fight his wars!
        Next, how to put all those poeple who lost their jobs under bush back to work when the companies who let them go are out of business and the others are not hiring. Even though bush and the Republicans had promised in 2000 that by 2009 the country would be rolling in jobs and money if we installed bush’s fiscal policy! As the old saying goes,bush got the godmine and America got the shaft.
        BTW, in theory, the Republican fiscal platform is closer to Mises than the Democrat platform
        which does not speak well for either Mises’s theory or the Republican platform!!

    • Dave67
      • DaveH

        Monthly Change Data? Duh. You do know, Dave67, that a change from 1 to 2 is a 100% increase. You’re really reaching hard for that one.
        I gave the total figures in my comment. We are still short over 500,000 jobs from the day that Obama took office. Figures don’t lie, but liars can figure.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        And spinners can make the numbers look the way they wish them to….As you are…

        You cannot argue the fact that at the end of the Bush admin, we here losing massive amounts of jobs… that continued 5 months into the Obama administration and then things started to turn… Now we are adding jobs, not losing jobs….Albeit as a painfully slow pace because we have not fixed the fundamentals of the economy… trade regs, bank regulation and break up, sound tax and spending policy.

        But you may continue DJ DaveH.

      • truesoy

        Dave67;

        I think that many conservatives lack the ability to make an informed decision at the booth because they don’t seek the truth. Conservatives by the most part ‘parrots’ the official talking points.
        I suggest they google ‘Obama’s kept promises’, and there it will show not only what he’s done but also what he has failed to do, and thus when they cast their vote one way or another at least they would know the reason why they do it.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • pmbalele

        If you want to know how conservatives lack the ability to make an informed discussion and decision, please listen to FoxNews anchors such as O’rielly, Hannity, Ingraham, Dick Morris, Crowley and lawyers. These are educated but badly brain-washed. Of course Karl Rove and Rush are college drop-outs so they have excuses to be dumb. I believe FoxNews CEOs has hired them to lie. And I don’t know what they tell their kids and spouses at home. “I went to work to lie and be dumb.” That’s why they are going to lose the war again come November 6. President Obama will be re-elected November 6. I have asked them to start taking aspirin to prevent heart attacks. Last time they went hiding after Obama was elected President. Let’s pray for them.

      • truesoy

        pmbalele;

        Karl might be a college drop-ot, but he is smart and so is Rush and I doubt very much that they believe the BS they spew, they just laugh their way to the bank. Now, about Glen Beck I’m not so sure, I think this guy is a bit short in the brain department.
        It is the people that believe these guys that are not too bright, but they can vote and that is worrisome.

        Sincerely;
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        I’m spinning? You’re a joke, Dave67. Do you really think any but the most brainwashed zealots buy your BS? I simply present the numbers.
        Here are more from the BLS:
        Total Non-Farm employment for January 2001 (Bush took office) — 132466000
        Total Non-Farm employment for January 2008 (Bush’s last year) — 138023000
        So a brain-dead Progressive might say that Bush created 5 & 1/2 million jobs. But the truth is that Government can’t create jobs (in net) because the jobs they do create come at the expense of more than that amount of jobs that would have been created in the Private Sector if the Government wasn’t stealing their money. The best that Government can do is to get out of the way and quit stealing our money.
        Dave67 is fond of claiming that Austrian Economics are just theory. But the facts are that the Bigger Government gets, the Smaller that country’s economy gets. Anybody with half-a-brain (that leaves out Dave67) can see that here:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

        The Progressives have neither logic nor experience on their side. Yet they continue to spread their Propaganda. Why is that? Could it be that they are benefiting at the rest of our expense? Nah, even a Progressive wouldn’t stoop that low, would they?

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “I think that many conservatives lack the ability to make an informed decision at the booth because they don’t seek the truth. Conservatives by the most part ‘parrots’ the official talking points”.
        And you expect we’d get the truth from people who are so morally bankrupt that they think other peoples’ money should be theirs for the taking?
        Google Obama’s Kept Promises? How about the ones he didn’t keep?
        http://www.businessinsider.com/9-campaign-promises-that-obama-has-broken-2012-3#no-super-pacs-1

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        After the republican engineered ‘corporations are people too’ that later was upheld by the conservative Supreme Court that brought a change to the rules of the ‘game’ you can’t expect Obama to continue playing by the old rules.
        The republicans forced the game change and now are complaining because the other side is playing by the same rules.
        DaveH, you can’t have it both ways, and you know it. To knowingly pretend otherwise is foolish and dishonest at the same time.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “After the republican engineered ‘corporations are people too’ that later was upheld by the conservative Supreme Court that brought a change to the rules of the ‘game’ you can’t expect Obama to continue playing by the old rules”.
        What are Corporations, Truesoy, if not groups of people? So if people join in a group, you ignoramuses don’t think they have any rights anymore? And what does that have to do with Obama playing by the rules? That is a complete non-sequitur that only a Progressive could dream up.
        I asked you for some references to back up your nonsense, Truesoy, and of course you couldn’t provide them because your argument is completely fallacious.
        Imagine that, a morally bankrupt Progressive calling ME dishonest.

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        Lets put it this way. You can not invite a person to a ‘knife’ fight, and then show with a gun and expect the other person not to do the same. You wouldn’t right? so, please, stop being disingenuous.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Do you even know what that word means, Truesoy? I doubt it. If you do, then prove that I said any thing that is “disingenuous”.

  • Dave67

    The GOP are responsible for most of our debt we have today. Romney and Ryan are just another continuation of tax cut and spend and social engineering by taking programs the benefit the poor and middle class who do not have a powerful lobby group on K Street.

    The GOP are a sad bunch.

    • DaveH

      Dave67 says — “The GOP are responsible for most of our debt we have today”.
      Certainly they are complicit. But since you have no credibility, Dave67, how about publishing some links to back up your claims?

      • Dave67

        Surely DaveH since you are full of theory only.

        http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/nationaldebt.asp

        I suppose you will give us more mises.org to somehow prove me wrong…

      • DaveH

        I didn’t say you were wrong, Dave67. I said that you had no credibility so therefore you should post some references to your claims.
        Percentages are the hallmark of disinformers. Here is a more accurate accounting which gives a complete year by year breakdown for each President:
        http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
        Under Jimmy Carter the National Debt grew from $.65 Trillion to $.93 Trillion in 4 years ($.07 Trillion per year).
        Under Ronald Reagan the National Debt grew from $.93 Trillion to $2.68 Trillion in 8 years ($.22 Trillion per year).
        Under Bush Senior the National Debt grew from $2.68 Trillion to $4.18 Trillion in 4 years ($.375 Trillion per year).
        Under Clinton the National Debt grew from $4.18 Trillion to $5.66 Trillion in 8 years ($.185 Trillion per year).
        Under Bush Junior the National Debt grew from $5.66 Trillion to $10.70 Trillion in 8 years ($.63 Trillion per year).
        Under Obama the National Debt has grown from $10.70 Trillion to $15.12 Trillion (at the end of 2011) in 3 years ($1.47 Trillion per year).
        Obama has increased the National Debt at 2.3 times the rate of the next highest debt increaser (George Bush Jr.).

      • truesoy

        DaveH;iscu
        One thing we must remember when discussing the deficit is that during the Bush administration the cost of the two wars was kept out of the budget but that during the present administration was brought into the open and added to the budget in the spirit of transparency.

        Sincerely,
        truesoy

      • DaveH

        At the current National Debt ($15.93 Trillion), every person in this country is liable for $50,846. Every family (3.1 people per average family) is on the hook for $157,622:
        http://www.usdebtclock.org/

        For even more shocking news look at the other figures, especially the “Unfunded Liabilities”.

      • DaveH

        And your evidence for that fabricated fact is where, Truesoy?

    • http://Idon'tknow john vance

      Dave67
      you are full of it !!! I just wish nut cases like you would do some studying or research before you spout off your BS By the way who has put in the most Debt this country has ever seen
      and more than all presidents combined Hmmmmm your idol Obmua

  • JimK

    Right or wrong, Ryan at the least has a strong understanding regarding math and economics, which is more than I can say for the rest of Congress and the Senate.

    I don’t like the thought of American becoming Europeanize, I Love America and Hate Europe for a vast variety of reasons.

    Today, if you are a Democrat you are leaning so far left you have become a close relative to communism.

    Lastly, “taxation with our representation” is tiranny!

    • Jeff

      Touting Ryan as the intellectual leader of a caucus that includes Michele Bachmann, Louie Gohmert, Steven King, that Fox woman from Virginia, and Allen West – well, let’s just say it’s a low bar.

      • Dale left coast

        Jeff . . . I just know you are much happier with the moooslime brotherhood in the WH having a direct link to the pres . . . this is a fact and the folks have been named.
        Will the US look more like Egypt in 4 more years? You bet it will . . .

  • GRAMPA

    A bull dog drool’s just before it tares you a new A_ _
    You wouldn’t feel it because of the chills running up your leg from President Obama.
    But wait that’s is not chills running up,its something else running down HA HA
    It must be nice to be able to walk around in an Ocoma.
    God bless America.
    (GRAMPA)

  • Lueder

    let’s all do what happened when Clinton got in because Ross Perot split the vote. I am a Mormon and I do not like Romney and I am no more excited about him because of his running mate, but my choices are (in order to get Obama out): write in Ron Paul, write in anybody else (thereby diluting the vote), don’t vote, or hold my breath and vote for Romney/Ryan. At this point, I am not voting for Romney, but against Obama. That is something I never dreamed I would say because I believe that a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil

    • DaveH

      Ron Paul is no Ross Perot. Ross was not a friend of Freedom. And his actions seem a little odd to me, considering that he dropped out mid-race, and then got back in, scored 19% of the popular vote, which is pretty dam good for a first time relatively unknown candidate, and then he disappeared from the scene. Slightly Strange? I think so.
      At any rate, Ross Perot wavered all over the scale of No Freedom to All Freedom:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot#1992_presidential_candidacy
      I think the PTBs were exercising their usual stealth methods intended to further subjugate the Mainstreet Americans.

      • Sirian

        HA, I voted for Perot back in ’92. At that time I could see nothing of value in either Bush or Clinton. But with the establishments’ (both parties) mile high, mile wide wall they’ve built over the past 100 years, 19% was at least a showing. And the establishment has pounded back every attempt since. The end result of that election in particular is most certainly regrettable. Clinton? Good Lord!! Yet the wall remains. We’re standing right in front of that wall and so many still can’t see it. We can’t give up – NO, but it will take time DaveH, it will simply take time. As you said, “stealth methods”, a very reliable tool to both parties.

      • APN

        Sirian, the real FACTS of why Ross Perot dropped out of the race is because DUMB GLOBAL GORE made a fool of him and you voted for this guy??? Think about it, Al Gore made a fool of him???????

        WHEW!!!!!!

  • Miriam

    This just makes it clear why conservatism should always be about policies, not personalities. It was a cult of personality that brought us the bit O.

    In this case, it underscores the need to vote as many conservatives as possible into both chambers of the House. It is in this manner that our country will be able to get back on track.

  • GiveMeLiberty

    We are no longer in control, are we? I didn’t realize Ryan was so close to the neocons. Either way, I despise that thinking but I agree with Warrior, we must apply pressure and stop the bleeding. That doesn’t necessarily mean we need to vote GOP. We need to solve what caused the bleeding to begin with!

    Side note – speaking of parental involvement in education, my 6th grader brought home a worksheet earlier this week that discussed different world economies. According to this sheet of propaganda, it suggested there were three types of economies: Traditional, Command, and Market. It went on to suggest the majority of the world now uses a Mixed Economy. Which is a mix of Command and Market (a market economy with gov’t controls). For the most part it was all factual though it seemed to favor the (NWO) “Mixed economy”! Most alarming part of the sheet came next. It gave an example of the former Soviet Union Command economy. It suggested, as an example of their old Command Economy, that the Soviet Union was VERY involved in defense-based industries but left the farmers alone! WHAT?! Left the farmers alone? Really? Either the author is totally stupid, ignorant of history or desires to rewrite history! Google “Soviet Union Collective Farming” and you’ll learn about Joe Stalins farm takeover, about their five-year plans, and how unproductive it really was. Yeah, let’s leave education and learning totally to the education system….NOT! If you desire well-rounded, well-informed offspring, I suggest you are totally involved in their education and put a dent in their “five-year” planning!

    • DaveH

      Public School Propaganda is nothing new, Liberty:
      https://www.mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

      • GiveMeLiberty

        I realize it’s not new but it’s typically subtle. It’s becoming glaringly more overt!

    • DaveH

      If you pick up a copy of this book, you will find that we have all been severely Propagandized by those who promote an Unconstitutional Big Central Government:
      https://mises.org/store/Product2.aspx?ProductId=172

      • GiveMeLiberty

        I always enjoy learning and I suspect this will be especially interesting. Thank you DaveH.

      • nc

        DavidH, how much greed is permissable in the unfettered market place of mises?

      • DaveH

        Whatever you voluntarily agree to, NC. If you think a company is asking too much for their product, then don’t buy it, or start your own competing company. Oh, I forgot your Big Government makes that very difficult these days. But that would be a great lesson for you.
        You are certainly no stranger to Greed, NC, if you lust after other peoples’ money.
        Who is greedier, the person who earns his own money through voluntary transactions with his fellow human, or the person who wants to take another person’s earned money?

      • APN

        DaveH, once again, we have been Propagandized by EVIL GOD hating FOOLS!

      • pmbalele

        Paul Ryan will be another Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich – only from Wisconsin. Ryan has made it worse for Mitt Romney chance for WH bid. No sane American will vote for R&R ticket. Ryan is hated in his home district. And this is disgusting with Paul Ryan. Just three months ago he called police to eject people who elected him from his office. They demanded from him to hold a town-hall meeting- he refused. They wanted to know why he did not fight against closure of Janesville auto-plant. 2,000 workers lost their jobs when the plant was closed. Now is vetting for creation of jobs. Liar. Secondly, Ryan has angered seniors with his stupid Ryan-care. Ryan crafted a bill to limit Medicare for seniors only up to $5,000. If a senior exhaust the $5,000 Ryan-voucher they are on their own. Caught – today he changed his beat. He says he did not mean that. Really! Liar. Ryan owns grandparents are upset. They depend on Medicare and SS for their living. President Obama listens to people of all races, creed and income status. Let’s prepare to vote for President Obama on November 6.
        Madison, WI

      • Jeff

        Ryan is a fraud. He was a follower of Ayn Rand until he “discovered” she was an atheist (read: sociopath). Ryan is fortunate he grew up in a family made wealthy by the construction of railway lines, then highways. All government contracts. Ryan has never worked in the private sector except a made-up job by his family company. He went to college because of Social Security survivor benefits following the death of his father.

        Under the Ryan philosophy, no such benefits would be available to anyone else. His ultra free market ideology says anyone following him should receive none of the public benefits he has received his entire life. His budget plan will result in senior citizens not being able to afford healthcare while reducing Mitt Romney’s tax rate to less than 1%. Of course, Romney thinks this budget plan is “marvelous.” These guys have no shame. Romney should just say he’s running on a plan to make the Government far more friendly to plutocrats like him.

      • truesoy

        Jeff;

        …and it has also been publishe recently of his family’s business million dollars defense contracts.
        Is it any wonder then that while Paul Ryan puts SS and Medicare on the chopping block, he proposes millions for defense contracts?
        So much for his concept of ‘private’ market. And maybe he could tell us one more time how much he dislikes ‘government spending’

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • Jeff

        Ryan is just another political hack. Interested in the economy doing well only when a Republican can take credit for it,

        snbc.com/_news/2012/08/19/13361928-video-paul-ryan-defended-stimulus-in-2002-when-george-w-bush-wanted-it

      • Jeff
      • DaveH

        And then there are those Religious People who are Evil, and they somehow think that believing in a God makes them not so.
        You’d best hope I’m correct, because if I’m not you’re going to have some Splaining to Do, Lucy (APN).

      • DaveH

        His “ultra free market ideology”, Jeff? We haven’t ever had truly Free Markets in this country because Politicians can’t build their Power and Perks in Free Markets. That is especially true after the Progressives took Power over 100 years ago. And that isn’t going to change with Paul Ryan or Mitt Romney.
        I’m betting you can’t support your obvious dislike for Free Markets with any kind of logic or facts. You’re just spreading Propaganda, hoping the ignorant people won’t question your fabricated facts.
        I think you’re the fraud, Jeff, and I don’t even like Paul Ryan.
        Can you substantiate anything you said, Jeff? Anything? Anybody can spread Propaganda.

      • Jeff

        Dave:

        I’m not sure to which post you’re responding, but I have no problem with free markets. I just don’t think we need to treat them like they were decreed on Mt. Sinai. Markets are the engine of the economy, but to extend the analogy, you also need brakes, steering, and most of all, an intelligent driver. It is too simplistic to say the market did this or the market did that and we mere mortals are powerless to ameliorate its worst effects. That is why the Progressives over the past 100 years or so have enacted safeguards designed to cushion people from the market’s harshest impacts on living human beings (remember them?).

        I have already listed some of those reforms and you doubtless have them all on your dartboard, but they include: workplace safety regulations; food safety regulations; securities regulations; insurance regulations; the FDIC; minimum wage laws; unemployment insurance; environmental protections, labor laws designed to protect the right of workers to unionize, Civil Rights laws, etc.

        When the market is in a downturn and there is insufficient demand in the system, the Government may have to step in and stimulate the economy. This was first postulated by Keynes and I know you and your Austrian friends disagree. You know who does agree – at least situationally? Ayn Rand Paul Ryan. Check this out from February 14, 2002:

        http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-support-of-stimulus-2012-8

        When is stimulus appropriate in the Ryan philosophy? When he wants the economy to do well (i.e when a Republican is President). When is stimulus wasteful, harmful, etc.? When he wants to damage the economy (i.e. when a Democrat is president).

        One thing I have not noticed with all the Progressive reforms over the past century and more is capitalists like Romney in economic difficulty. The Rich are doing just fine. Throwing a few bones to the rest of us has not impacted the ability of the rich to do just fine. Increasing the numbers in abject poverty will not make Romney noticeably richer although the Ryan budget (the “marvelous” one) will reduce Romney’s taxes to less than 1%. The real victims are the upper middle class (like you I presume) who pay huge taxes to pay for the outrageous shelters paid for by Bain’s lobbying.

        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/bain-lobbying-saved-mitt-romney-millions

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Our rights and liberties have been hemorrhaging under BOTH parties!!! This pressure is NO pressure at all!!! If you vote for EITHER candidate, we shall surely bleed out!!!

  • Chester

    The worst thing about Paul Ryan is Paul Ryan. His mouth continually says one thing, while his record speaks a totally different language.

    • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

      While what you say is true, & R & R are no Ron & Rand Paul…..there’s still a better chance of getting it right with these 2 than with Obama & Clown-Biden & Co.

      With the Repubs, there is a better chance, with Dems, ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE !!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WHAT in history, makes you think we have even a CHANCE with romney and ryan?

  • Joe Hammond

    Why does it seem that our political system is totally inhabited by liars and repressors? Paul was a breath of fresh, truthful air but the corporate media has reduced him to a joke on the Colbert Report…..The Empire gets what it deserves……and the Republic dies a little more each day…

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It SEEMS that way because it IS!!!

  • ryan

    Well, I admit, I am one of those conservatives that got excited about Ryan. After reading this articel I don’t know what to think. I didn’t like Romney in the first place, when he took on Ryan I thought “maybe he will be the reason to vote for Romney” Now what do I do? Now who do I vote for who would even have the slightest chance at becoming president? I really am disturbed by all this. On one hand I know we need to get Obama out, on the other hand I know Romney won’t be much better. Now what?

    • DaveH

      Break the mold. Start voting only for those candidates who really have Principles, especially the Principles of Freedom.
      http://www.lp.org/platform

      • Nobody’s Fool

        DaveH, if you’re talking about voting for Ron Paul instead of Romney, you are guaranteeing oBlamer’s ascent to the title of King.

      • DaveH

        You are guaranteeing a continuance of Freedom-robbing Big Government.

      • Martha

        I think you are a true liberal Obama supporter in disguise. You want to encourage people to vote for Ron Paul who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, so YOUR candidate Obama will be guaranteed success. Get your head out of your arse and quit spreading false rumors. I, for one, am sick of garbage that you and others like you spread.

      • http://speedle speedle

        What’s that I hear in the distant night? It…it…sounds like a barking dog. It is indeed. It is Dave H. Dave, in the course of human events your lifetime is but a second. Just because you can’t see progress being made towards restoring American values and prosperity with the Romney/Ryan ticket doesn’t mean it is not happening. We didn’t get in this mess overnight and we wont get out of it overnight.

        Hear this Dave, “radicals” (at least those who advertise themselves as such or are perceived as such by the public) do not get elected president in this country. Regardless of the value of many of his ideas, Ron Paul is unelectable, period. He (deserved or not) is too much shock for the independents and fence riders (who decide elections).. Therefore, we take what we can get and move on from there. It’s like a tug-of-war that takes time to win.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        speedie, freedom and liberty were the very things our “radical” forefathers fought for!!! And you are willing to give that away?!?

      • Dale left coast

        Dave . . . Ron Paul is well past his “Best before date” . . . you might as well write Mickey Mouse on your ballot . . .
        Ryan is one of the few that understand the numbers . . . and anyone who thinks a Romney/Ryan win will not be more of the same . . . no thinking person could believe that . . . Would Romney appoint a gaggle of marxist professors to the exec branch? Not friggin likely . . . November is America’s last chance . . . 4 more years of the O and by 2016 there will be nothing left to fix ! ! !

      • DaveH

        Martha says — “I think you are a true liberal Obama supporter in disguise. You want to encourage people to vote for Ron Paul who doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning, so YOUR candidate Obama will be guaranteed success. Get your head out of your arse and quit spreading false rumors. I, for one, am sick of garbage that you and others like you spread”.
        Sorry Martha, but it is you who spreads the Garbage. These straw poll results are from people who actually heard the various candidates speak (something the MSM tries to keep people from doing):
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Candidate_Totals

        Romney and Ryan will be easy targets for Obama’s team. They will turn what might have been a win for Freedom (with Ron Paul) to a loss for the Republican Followers (with Romney/Ryan).
        Your ears are bookends to a vacuum, Martha.

      • DaveH

        Speedle says — “What’s that I hear in the distant night? It…it…sounds like a barking dog”.
        DaveH says — “Only fools ignore their barking dogs”.

      • speedle

        Nancy, we are not talking about the value of freedom and liberty and whether or not to give it away. We are talking about the BEST way to regain and preserve it. Should we work within the system and effect change (the way it has been successfully done by the leftists, or should we opt to always be standing on the outside looking in pissing and moaning to no avail?

      • APN

        DaveH said” You are guaranteeing a continuance of Freedom-robbing Big Government.

        Once again DaveH, FREEDOM COMES FROM THE CREATOR, not Men! GET IT???

      • DaveH

        There are only those who believe there is no Creator, and those who do believe there is a Creator.
        Many of the people, who believe there is no Creator, want to ram that belief down the throats of others. And Many of the people, who believe there is a Creator want to ram that belief down the throats of others. APN is one of the latter, obviously.
        You couldn’t stand against me in a logical contest, APN, so give it up.

    • http://northwoodsmomblog.blogspot.com Tanya Thorne

      I personally have gotten over the need to feel like I “won” something. There is nothing to win at this point. Both options are the same. I’m tired of being played by an establishment that uses people like Sarah Palin and Paul Ryan to try to trick me into voting for terrible candidates. It’s alright to write in your vote or not vote at all. My non-vote or write-in will be a vote of “no confidence”. I’m withdrawing my consent. Hope that helps.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Tanya, I am sooooooo there with you!!! I’m not playing THEIR game ANY LONGER!!! The words that come out of their mouths DON’T match their ACTIONS!!! Judging them by their ACTIONS, they are ALL THE SAME!!! We are at an urgent crossroads in our country. If we don’t ACT to change the status quo, we’ll have nothing left! We’ve been led around by our noses long enough! THEY TELL us WHO we can vote for!!! I REFUSE to be limited by who THEY say I can vote for!!! Those who have to plug their nose to vote will be responsible when we get more of the same. It’s very OBVIOUS to me that if THEY’RE telling you who to vote for…you don’t want it!!!

      • Martha

        And YOU are just one of the reasons our country is in the mess it is in today. Attitudes like yours are what destroys, or allows people like Obama, to destroy what was once a great nation. The sad thing is, you want to drag the rest of the country down to hell with you.

      • http://northwoodsmomblog.blogspot.com Tanya Thorne

        Nancy, I agree completely. You are responsible for what you give your support to. In our system, there is no way to vote AGAINST someone.

        Martha, that is a really tired argument. People who continue to support more of the same from both parties are the reason we are where we are today.

        I wonder how many of those who are holding their noses and voting for Romney are willing to be held personally accountable for his actions if he becomes president.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Martha, Martha, Martha, WHY would you keep voting for MORE of the same?!? Just because they put it in a different package doesn’t mean it’s changed at all! BOTH the democrats AND the republicans are following the SAME agenda! BOTH parties have kept us at eternal war! BOTH parties have spent us into a debt we can NEVER get out of. BOTH parties are taking away our rights! BOTH parties supported the patriot acts I and II! BOTH parties supported the ndaa! BOTH parties support this ILLEGAL president and his executive orders!!! If they didn’t, they would DO something about it!!! They are ALL impotent, as they are NOT the ones calling the shots!!! It’s pretty OBVIOUS to me that voting for the party candidate only gets us MORE of the SAME!!! Why can’t you SEE what is right in front of you??? WHY can’t you accept the TRUTH!!! I wish it weren’t so! I only WISH that I had cognitive dissonance on the subject. It was kind of nice and peaceful to be asleep to what is going on. But we have OVERSLEPT and it’s almost too late. WAKE UP!!!

    • Enrique

      You have to vote for R & R. More importantly we also have get a TEA party congress to keep them in line.

      • Sun Rising

        The presidential election no longer matters. We have been conned into the most liberal repubican ticket ever.

        The key to this election is to get a TEA party congress.

        Two items that will cure our woes. The next congress should only vote for budgets and not continual resolutions. And congress should never vote for another debt ceiling increase.

        They should be bold and allow government shutdowns. Every thing is bloated and needs deep deep cuts. That includes defence – the most bloated liberal department in government. More union workers thrive under defense spending than all others combined.

      • SJJolly

        “A Tea Party Congress to keep them in line.” Ah, yes. Romney, behind the pandering to the Republican Right, is actually a moderate Republican With Ryan in the VP office, the Tea Party has the big stick threat of impeaching Romney, allowing Ryan to succeed to the POTUS slot, which will make for a very uncomfortable time in office for Romney. Leastwise until the general US voting population, outraged by the (everything for the mega-rich, and the Devil take the rest of you) excess of a Tea Party controlled Congress, votes them out in 2014.

    • Theodore Gager

      I feel as you do. I have been hoping to see the necessary changes take place in both houses to put a muzzle on the mutts that are running for the grand prize. I’m a Ron Paul supporter and fear that the only hope we have lies with a strong legislature. This executive order crap has got to stop. If not, we are truely at the crossroads to another civil conflict….

    • Carole Ann

      I agree with you NOW WHAT???????

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Say a prayer and do the RIGHT thing!!! Neither romney NOR obumass are gonna save us!!! Only prayer can! I can’t help but think that our prayers will mean more if we back them up with our actions!!! Yes, obumass MIGHT win, but at least YOU will not have contributed to the demise of our country, which will surely be the result if EITHER of these candidates get in!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Also, consider this. I don’t think it makes one bit of difference who you vote for. THEY choose the candidates, THEY choose the winner! It will be what THEY want it to be! The votes won’t even be counted by fair and balanced Americans. obumass gave the contract to a Spanish company of HIS choosing. The VERY LEAST we can do is let THEM know we are waking up!!! Let them sweat just a little! Their plans are to fool us and do all of this under the radar. Tell THEM, WE ARE ONTO THEM!!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy says — “Yes, obumass MIGHT win, but at least YOU will not have contributed to the demise of our country, which will surely be the result if EITHER of these candidates get in!”.
        Well put, Nancy.

  • Mary Smelser

    When you look at the alternative, giving the opposition any ammunition only helps the current divider in chief, President Downgrade. Why wouldn’t you wait until after they win, if they win, to rein them in?

    • DaveH

      Nancy?
      “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it”.

  • http://Frontier Brad

    Sounds like Bob doesn’t like Ryan…

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Bob didn’t write the article!!! Are you accusing him of not allowing voices that disagree with him? The other article posted today praises romneys choice.

  • Tom Cook

    You almost leave me in tears. I don’t trust Romney; I do hope that he will act better as President than he has sometimes in the past with his gun control and socialist healthcare in Massachusetts. You undercut my hope that at least Ryan has put forward a plan to control entitlements which are our greatest threat and which doomed Rome to total decline. I tend to agree with everything you say; but, I must hope for the alternative is to take up arms and march on Washington and kill every democrat in that cesspool.

    • eddie47d

      Until Tom can acknowledge the cesspool on Wall Street ,Bankster rules and Republican faults nothing will change. You are too one sided to be credible.

      • Dale left coast

        eddie . . . was it not Dimmicraps that allowed the Wall Street Banker to get into the investment business?

      • truesoy

        Dale;

        No, it wasn’t the democrats who started it, but they piggyback (although not all democrats went along) on it when the Reagan administration put it in motion, and in that regards they must share the blame.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • eddie47d

        Thank you Truesoy.

  • Warrior

    Well, we definitely know what we have with the current mob regime. Gotta start somewhere. Must apply pressure to that open wound until it stops bleeding.

    • DaveH

      Exactly. We have to start somewhere. That’s something we haven’t done for the last 100 years as Government keeps Growing like the Energizer Bunny. Like any skill, it takes time to develop.
      But you don’t learn how to become a better Tennis Player by playing Basketball. If we want to progress back towards Freedom, we need to start supporting and voting for the only Politicians who share that goal with us even if they can’t win now. Back to the Tennis example, does anybody beat the best without time after time losing to them on the road to expertise? Of course not. It takes practice and perseverance. But does anybody achieve that expertise by not practicing good habits? Of course not. The same goes for our goals of Freedom. We aren’t going to get there unless we start voting for the Politicians who truly strive for that goal — like Ron Paul or most of the Libertarian candidates.
      Quit wasting your votes on Establishment Republicans and Democrats who just want your money and control of your lives.
      Let’s start working towards getting our country back from Greedy Politicians and their Crony Capitalists. Vote Libertarian!
      For Limited Government, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Individual Liberty, and the PEACE that springs from those:
      http://www.lp.org/

      • Sirian

        DaveH,
        I agree with you 100%! But we have to get out of the starting blocks first. Until then . . .

      • DaveH

        You’ll never win a race that way.
        I’ve been waiting now for 40 years now, and most of the rest of you are still in those blocks.

      • http://Idon'tknow john vance

        Won’t happen Dave, people are to orented to repub or dem I personally would like more choices than we in reality have. At this point in time 3rd. party don’t stand a chance

      • DaveH

        And they won’t until you people quit thinking that way and quit wasting your votes on people who have no Principles.

      • jorind

        Dave while I appreciate, and ascribe to, your feelings, I feel that “anyone but Obama” is preferable for the Republic at this point. While I both admire and like Ron Paul, all votes for him are tantamount to voting for Obama.

      • DaveH

        How do you expect to progress toward Freedom, when you keep electing Freedom Takers? Please explain that to me.
        The Good Freedom Loving Democrats (there are those you know) voted for Obama because he was the lesser of two evils (to them), and the Good Freedom Loving Republicans (there are those you know) voted for John McCain because he was the lesser of two evils (to them). This has been going on since at least when I became of voting age (40 years ago). And the Government just keeps growing (what else?).
        How do you people ever expect Government to STOP Growing when you keep falling for that nonsense about the lesser of two evils, and keep voting for those who will GROW Government?
        Your compasses are broken. Get a new ones.

      • DaveH

        Does one need a Math degree to figure out that 2+2 does not equal 5?

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        Ron Paul?, really? Dave, if he was so great, why then not even the republicans wanted him?.
        Think about it.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        You’ve been hanging around this board for how long, Truesoy? And you ask ME to think?
        Both Major Parties march to the tune of their Crony Capitalists. The Leaders have the Power. The Crony Capitalists fund their Propaganda and Re-elections.
        Don’t confuse Crony Capitalists with Capitalists, because Crony Capitalists are Capitalists in name only. Capitalists operate in Free Markets with voluntary transactions between themselves and their consumers. Crony Capitalists operate in Unfree Markets with coercive aid from Big Government Crony Politicians. That aid can come in many forms — subsidies, quotas, tariffs, regulations (seemingly well-intended but not really), price controls, etc., but in all cases that aid results in unfair advantage for the Crony Capitalists over their Capitalist competitors, and the consumers and the taxpayers suffer for it.
        The Founding Father of Crony Capitalism:
        http://mises.org/daily/3164

      • r.p.

        Keep it up DaveH: It’s nice to hear the voice of reason. ;-)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        truesoy says: Ron Paul?, really? Dave, if he was so great, why then not even the republicans wanted him?. Think about it.

        Because, the Republican party, also known affectionately as the God & Oil Party (GOP) is a division of Halliburton and a subsidiary of the Federalist Society, formerly known as the Federal Government of the United States. Its main function is to boost the sales of Israeli flag lapel pins and magnets.

        As of 2007, despite receiving a good ol’ Texas ‘thumpin’ it is one of the largest misanthropic organizations in the world. Well known for its Ultra-Orthodox Jewish-Leninist practice of democratic centrism, in which no party member is allowed to disagree with the central organization.

        Does that answer your question, truesoy?

      • truesoy

        Jay;

        About the GOP being a subsidiary of the Federalist Society, formerly known as the Federal Government of the U.S., you lost me there.
        …and the God&Oil Party, I thought that was a good one.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        I got off on a tangent and forgot to make my point.
        The answer to your question, Truesoy, is that Ron Paul would unravel much of the Government intrusion into the Marketplace, creating Freer Markets, thus forcing the Crony Capitalists to actually compete fairly instead of getting special advantages over their competitors. This would result in cheaper products, more jobs, and a more satisfying consumer-oriented Marketplace.
        So naturally the Crony Capitalists (in both parties) are going to do everything they can to stop Ron Paul’s election. And the biggest Crony Capitalists of all own the MSM, so don’t expect fair treatment of Ron Paul’s agenda from them.

      • DaveH

        Thank you r.p., it’s much appreciated.

      • Mimi

        You’ve got it backwards. If you vote Libertarian, it’s a vote for Obama. Just be honest and say, I’m voting for Obama. Then at least, you won’t be voting in vain. Clearly, you don’t realize what’s at stake here. Unblock your ears, your eyes and look around at the economy. If you want 4 more years of Obama, with increasing taxes, rationed healthcare, rising prices on everything, out of control debt, and an increasingly unrecognizable America, go with Obama. Abandoned homes, empty storefronts, rising crime, go for it.

      • dark angel

        Amen Dave! The beginning starts with each of us. Each of us must make a choice and accept responsibility for that choice.

        IMO, one would have to have brain damage to vote for either Romney or Obama. Why for the love of Christ would you vote against your own best interests (freedom, peace, fiscal recovery, etc.)?!!!

        To those of you who would say that not voting for Romney ensures an Obama 2nd term, I’d say “who cares?” Based on all the info available about both of them, do you HONESTLY think there’s an iota of difference between the two? If any, it’s by degrees only. I say flip this around. If you don’t vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson, YOU will be the reason for our country’s demise. YOU will have made the conscious choice for one of those turds. By your vote you will be BEGGING for war, socioeconomic collapse, a police state and the death of your country.

        And one day when you are old and dying of shame because it’s not covered by Obama-care, as you can look into the haunted, vacant eyes of your children who have no future, you will know with certainty you got exactly what you voted for in 2012.

        Not me! I want live and love freely as a humble servant to our creator. I wish to live a life of honor, truth and justice. These aren’t just words-they MEAN something! I want fresh air, clean water and wholesome food. I want to see my wife smile contentedly, I want to hear the laughter of not only my children but those too of my neighbors. I want peace and a hopeful future for ALL of us. THAT is what I will vote for.

        What are you going to vote for?

      • APN

        …and according to DaveH: “And they won’t until you people quit thinking that way and quit wasting your votes on people who have no Principles.”
        _____________________________________________________________________

        “you people” being the KEY WORD in his statement!!!! You feel DUMB yet folks??? Once again, the ALL OMNIPOTENT DAVEH has SPOKEN!!!! So shall it written, so shall it be done!

        Folks, Daveh is a man that says that “GOD the Creator” is a myth! In fact, he equates GOD to Santa!!! In other words, if you believe in GOD, well, your just a dumb foolish CHILD! Basically the SAME foolish principles that progressives have.

        I’ve asked ole DaveH on numerous occasions to explain to us just where he gets HIS SUPERIOR MORALS and PRINCIPLES from??????? Shucks, dumb ole me just can’t get him to answer that question. Maybe from the MONKEY he evolved from? I don’t know, beats me!!!!

        You see folks, there are really VERY few differences between DaveH and King ODUMBO, both assert themselves as SUPERIOR intellects that set our standards on MORAL PRINCIPLES!!!!

        RUN!!!!!! As fast as you can from these worldly FOOLS!!!!

        APN

      • DaveH

        “You people” as in “you people who believe that voting for Politicians who actually have Principles is a wasted vote”, and then wonder why we never have Principled Politicians.
        And, APN, seek help. You need it badly.

    • Sirian

      Agreed!

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    • http://Idon'tknow john vance

      You don’t Make sence

  • anonymous

    nice to hear from someone who isn’t impressed by him or just spouting party hate at him, i was looking at those same things and wondering how much he is spinning it, seeing how fox news is all over him, i figured he is pretty much worthless.

    • http://Idon'tknow john vance

      You must not watch Fox ! with your brainless drivel you show your ignorence big time

      • sharon

        Re: Fox News, while no political network is perfect, I’ve watched many: from CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and FOX. And I can tell you FOX is by far the best. The reasons are too numerous for this space, but to name a few: FOX is the ONLY network that has folks of different views-atheists, Planned Parenthood folks (I call em killers of innocents), Al Sharpton, Kierstan Powers, Leslie Marshall, etc. I can’t remember the last time the other networks had ANY viable person with a political difference then their own. 2nd-When you have a anchor of a network show (Ed Schultz) actually saying that if he could get away with it, he would vote as often as necessary to get ‘those sob republicans out”-his very words. He went ballistic when we won everything in 2010 and nuts when Walker won. Then there is the “double standard” of negative reporting—Not one word was said about ACORN being crooked until FOX discovered it. Or the hatred they spew at folks who choose to follow the bible: ‘they’re either stupid, racist, etc.” Tolerance apparently is Not a two-way street.

      • http://none d

        bill rilley does not like obama. he can.t stand obama. he makes al kinds of hate ful marks about obama. he is pro obama. he is a republican. i hope obama becomes president and let rilleyeat his words and hat. i do not watch that station because of him, obama obama is the key. i can.t wait till obama wins and make all the republicans eat their hats and run to tell the truth. we got a good man in office. 4 more years 4 more v 4 more good years yes cwitth god he will win val the way to the white house . rilley vtake that to the bank. ha ha blue skies for obama.

    • Jon

      I don’t believe that Ryan, nor Romney for that matter, ever claimed to be perfect. They just say they would do a better job governing than will/do Obama and Biden. On that score, I agree. Of course, it would be nice to have better choices because even their interpretation of “better” leaves a lot to be desired.

      • Pastori Balele

        I am sorry for Republicans this election cycle. I don’t think there is alternative to President Obama on November 6. Obama will be re-elected. Look at electoral map. None of these so called GOP potential nominees are qualified for WH. They are all fake. Look at Romney – for ten years he shipped his money to create jobs in Switzerland and China. Romney left his fellow Americans dry – without jobs. Now he is telling us if elected he will bring back his money to be borrowed by American small business. Romney is a liar. Romney has refused to release his 10 years tax returns. He says if Republicans don’t like it they can kiss his ass. Ann Romney called Americans as “you people”. She does not respect American people. Romney is a Mormon who hates Blacks and other racial minorities. That’s why you don’t see Blacks or racial minorities at his rallies. Santorum wanted to be an “American catholic little pope”. He was telling us how we should behave when sleeping at night. No sex till you’re married. Santorum called us Blacks food loafers and expects Blacks to vote for him. We’re not that dumb. Gingrich is a sinner, adulterer and corrupt. Even his kids say won’t vote for their own father. How can Gingrich expect us to vote for him when his own family hates him? Ron Paul is cozy with KKK groups who are financing his campaign. We run out of GOP candidates eligible for the WH. Now Mitt has Paul Ryan as running mate. That does it. GOP has lost. Our only alternative is President Obama for the next 4 years.

      • jopa

        Sharon;You see folks on both sides of the aisle at Fox because the people from the Democrat party, planned parenthood and such don’t lie and have no fear of being questioned and caught up in their lies.All the other networks are wide open for the candidates to come on but they are really chicken to answer questions that are not given to them in advance and scripted like at Fox.Usually when Fox gets a guest on( From the Democrats party) there will be more than one on the Fox team badgering the guest into a corner picking each sentence apart trying to make a news story out of nothing.Even Paul Ryan is afraid to meet the Senior citizens in Florida today so he is taking his elderly mother with him for protection.Such cowards.Almost all Republicans are even afraid of Rachel Maddow and will not appear on her show because she asks the right questions that they are afraid to answer.Like one of Romneys aides just said, “We cant tell you our plan until after the election , or we would lose for sure”.

      • DaveH

        Can you substantiate anything you said, Pastori?

      • DaveH

        Can you substantiate anything you said, Jopa?
        You are asking us to believe that people, who have no moral pangs about helping themselves to other peoples’ money, would be honest? Give me a break. That is beyond ignorant and naive.

      • APN

        ….and just where do you get your “moral principles” from DaveH?

      • DaveH

        Why do you care, APN, as long as I have them? I wouldn’t gladly pit my adherence to my morality any day against yours.
        For instance, I can’t rationalize killing (except in self-defense) by people in Government by calling it a “military action”, or “war”, or some other such nonsense. And I can’t rationalize stealing by people in Government by calling it “humanitarian”, or “compassionate”, or some other such nonsense. In my book they are still killing and stealing. How about you?
        I also don’t care what people believe as long as they don’t try to Force it on me. In fact, I worry what will happen when the Progressives get their way and finally completely stifle Religious speech.
        But if you want to get into a Tit for Tat over belief in a God, then bring it on, at the risk of waking those up who don’t know why they believe. It’s your choice.

      • DaveH

        I don’t know where that “wouldn’t” came from (loose nut on my keyboard?), but I meant to say “I would pit”.

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        Just to let you know, it is not a loose nut on the keyboard rather than the ‘loose nut’ on the computer.
        Fix it!!!
        You can thank me later.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • pearl87

        Well, guess what, THEY WON”T BE BETTER. They are WORSE, because, if they are elected, the opposition to the march toward socialism is neutralized. Think about this. We must not accept the poison pill they are offering as a cure for our ills. Instead of “anyone but Obama”, the proper answer is “anyone, but Obama OR Romney”. Make a statement to the slave masters who think they have succeeded in blinding us to reality. Please, please write in your favorite person, but don’t vote for EITHER of these two disasters.

    • Mimi

      Well, it didn’t take long did it. Mr. Rolley and followers. It’s another Sarah Palin moment in our history of the politics of personal destruction. Mr. Obama, the most inexperienced and inept president of our time, who cannot speak without the aid of teleprompters, (and when he does speak off the cuff, he puts both feet in his mouth), is somehow better than the articulate and knowledgeable Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan is even cooler than Obama, because he makes sense, looks great, speaks clearly on the issues, and doesn’t even need a teleprompter! Heavens to Murgatroyd!! The liberals will tar and feather him to the max. Well, tell me liberals, are you better off than you were 4 years ago? I know Connecticut isn’t. I know Florida, Nevada, and countless other states are not. Businesses are being regulated out of business, and this is an administration you admire?!! To repeat a famous line, ” If Democrats Had Brains, They’d Be Republicans”. Well, there’s no chance of that, if you know Democrats. They march to the party line, just like any other oppressive regime. You can prove 1 plus 1 is 2, but that doesn’t mean a thing to them. They just keep on marching. Listening only to their lame stream media, they have all the information they want. We are experiencing a fascist type of government, and half the nation doesn’t see, hear, or realize it. Gullibility in spades! This administration is opposed to using our own fossil fuels for the sake of powerful environmental groups. This administration has been deliberately creating racial friction, class envy, and not upholding the Constitution of the United States. And Democrats are just as happy as clams at high tide. It’s inconceivable!! But it’s true.

      • Jeff

        Wow, Mimi, that’s quite a rant. Lots of passion. Too bad it’s all a bunch of bunk.

      • pearl87

        Everything you say is correct – as far as it goes. What you haven’t addressed is the fact that Ryan/Romney are on the same page when it comes to the most fundamental issues of freedom and rule of law. These two have both signed onto the most egregious violations of our Constitutional rights ever undertaken by a corrupt federal govt. The march toward totalitarianism has advanced so far in the past 20 years, it is breathtaking, and Ryan has been in the vanguard, leading the way.

      • Brian

        Many moderate democrats are seeing Obama has not lived up to the hype and along with independents that voted for Obama will either sit this one out or vote for Romney. The hard core talking heads will never admit they goofed and forgot to even vent Obama. All this so-called dirt on him is being noted. 16 billion in debt, ratings down rated for the first time in history, a DOJ that is as dirty as can be, a Homeland Security that is completely over it’s head and many other things.

    • pmbalele

      Paul Ryan is another Sarah Palin. Hot at the beginning and dumb at the end. Ryan is a liar. That’s why his home state is blue – in favor of President Obama.

      • DonR

        pmbalele,
        Then how do you explain Ryan getting elected 7 times, I guess a few Dems must vote for him.

      • truesoy

        DonR;

        He is elected from a congrssional district, that’s it.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

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