Right, this is why the Mexican drug gangs are the freeest people on earth. They each have a dozen firearms or more a piece. This is what makes them free.

So, you seem to be another Obot troll. Do you get paid to do that or just do it due to fear of facing what’s happening around you?

Most things EddieG seems to believe have been proven to be false already.
Very limited scope to his argument.
Not sensible but psychotic babble, IMHO.

mark and Robert Smith why doin’t you show us where he is wrong. Be sure to be specific with sources and links.

I was being facetious. I KNOW that Holder SENT the guns to the gangs so he could complain about the 2nd amendment.

stevor, mark has NO clue! He says, “Don’t forget Mexicans want to have freedom also. This is why they need guns. By allowing them to by all the guns they want, we are helping them to preserve their freedom”.

mark, those guns went to DRUG dealers NOT Mexican citizens. Drug cartels use these guns to kill the police and civilians who get in their way! It’s against the law for a Mexican citizen to own a pistol larger than .38 cal or any military style rifle.

BOTH parties are OWNED by the Elite. They’re just two legs of the same Monster.

Mark writes:
“Over twenty thousand Americans die every year from this private citizen violence as a result. We see example after example everyday.”

And with over 300 MILLION (your numbers btw) firearms out there in the hands of private citizens it is obvious to the casual observer that firearms are totally inadequate to the task that liberals claim firearms are designed for.

After all if firearms are made for killing why are there are only ~20,000 people killed every year?

Another interesting question the liberals hate to answer is that if firearms are made for killing why do all those federal agencies need them at all?

Vicki, only 20,000 killed?! That is the highest per capita death total of any major industrialized nation by a multiplier of 20 times or more. Great Britain which has very strict gun ownership laws had 65 gun deaths last year. Japan with even stricter anti-gun laws had 3.

Would you like to know what the body count would be if guns were oulawed??? The criminals will ALWAYS get guns. I have been to countries that outlaw firearms. Where they have No Knock Search Warrants, where they have roadblocks outside of cities where they’re searching for guns. It is also where you have had foriegn ambassadores/dignitaries and there bodyguards gunned down in the middle of the day in the Capital cities. Where you have banks being robbed by thugs brandishing fully automatic weapons, gun fights in the middle of the cities, and on and on.
You might also want to be aware that of those 20,000 killed in the US, many are other bad guys, gang members, etc.

Dear mark,

You write: “Over twenty thousand Americans die every year from this private citizen violence as a result. We see example after example everyday.” This is a lie. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl11.xls.

Best wishes,
Bob

It was only 8,775. We are not trying hard enough.

Dear Bob,

Your statistics fail to take into account the several thousand gun-related suicides and accidental deaths that push the total numbers up to near 20,000.

Best Wishes,

mark

mark says:
“Dear Bob,

Your statistics fail to take into account the several thousand gun-related suicides and accidental deaths that push the total numbers up to near 20,000.”

Would it make you feel any better if they had jumped out a window?
(Good point Archie )
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Oh and I notice that mark did avoid the question:

Why do all those federal agencies need guns? They would just increase the rates mark pretends to be so concerned about.

“Would it make you feel any better if they had jumped out a window?”

Of course he would feel better about it if they jumped to their death. In a mark’s liberal mind you are at least twice as dead if shot so any other means of death is preferable.

mark, did you know that there are more private gun owners in the USA than ANY other nation on the planet? Wikipedia estimates about 88 gun per 100 homes. I personally think that estimate low because I know several gun owners who have over 50 guns in their arsenal. Wiki answers estimates over 260 million LEGAL private gun owners in the USA.

Did you also know that the USA doesn’t even rank in the top 100 nations in gun related homicides per ca pita?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

If gun ownership was the cause of higher homicide rates then we Americans SHOULD have the HIGHEST rate in the world right? Not so according to the statistics, our PRIVATE gun ownership is what keeps the homicide rate down here in the good ole US of A!

Also, the highest percentage of homicides committed in the USA are gang related using illegal guns and NOT by private LEGAL gun owners!

And the states that have the most liberal laws pertaining to firearms ownership/carry, have the lowest per capita crimes with guns. Ain’t that special!

mark says, “Your statistics fail to take into account the several thousand gun-related suicides and accidental deaths that push the total numbers up to near 20,000″.

mark, FYI, suicides typically make up 56.5% of ALL gun deaths in the USA according to the information available circa 2006 at Bureau Of Justice Statistics. Drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.

So your reference to “private citizen violence” (which I assume would mean a violent crimes committed on another individual with a gun) should be omitted from your statistics along with suicides. In light of that, the number of private citizen, violent gun deaths would be probably as low as 5 or 6 thousand instead of 20,000!

I know in your liberal mind you’re trying to show us how dangerous guns are, on the contrary guns are way less dangerous than an incompetent automobile driver. You are much more likely to be killed by an incompetent driver than you are to be shot by a criminal and your chances of being shot by a law abiding citizen carrying a concealed weapon is virtually nil.

The ONLY way to reduce gun violence is through education NOT confiscation!

The whole civilian militia thing was taken out of context and has been refuted on bipartisan fact checking websites.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/04/obamas-private-army/

The last time I checked I still have my guns and I have not been forced by the government to marry a gay person. I think we give way too much credit to their ability to control the population. I have 12 gauge rifled slugs and 000 buckshot. I am looking into a Taurus Judge for home defense. It can chamber a 3″ .410 shell. I will be fine. I live in rural America.

“He created 1st the Brown Shirts, then the Gestapo. The Brown Shirts were the Strong Arm Soldiers of the Nazi Party.”

You are partly correct. The Brown Shirts (or SA) were the “police” arm of the party until shortly after Hitler became Chancelor. The SA was disbanded and the SS which had originaly been a part of the SA took over. Many of the original SA were killed because they knew too much and/or were an embarasement to the party. It is much more complicated than I have room to cover here but this is a very simple explanation of the situation.

You are Correct. BUT I do not have the time nor inclination to write a long drawn out history lesson for those who are in Dire Need to Read it. I tried to give a Summary. The SS Murdered the Brown Shirt’s and Their Leaders on what is called “the Night of the Long Knives”. That was a final stroke as Hitler took over and eliminated all his Political Enemes all the same time.

WE Should all Remember that for Two Important Reasons, So it Doesn’t Happen to US and
if need be, Those Tyrants that Turn this Nation Into an Open Facist Nation have to be Eliminated without the Nation desending into Total Rebellion and Chaos. This is From a Historical Standpoint. So Don’t start dialing DHS,,,, We already know what too many Zealots will do,,, go after the Wrong People. I am Old Enough to remember the stories my parents and grandparents, aunts and uncles told me about WW 2 first hand. And those who
had to fight their way out of Hungry against the Russian Troops. Those who Fought against the Nazi contolled Arrow Cross in Hungry when they fought with the Underground.
They were captured by the Arrow Cross and Tortured taken by the SS to the Camps. And escaped Death when at the end of the War Patton’s 3rd Army along with British Troops liberated the camp they were in. When I was age 18 I met them and saw the tatoo serial
numbers on their arms, before I had been assigned a draft number for he Vietnam War.
I heard first hand from them and other relatives who fought their way out of Hungry. And also first hand from Cuban Refugees who Fought in the Bay Of Pigs Fasico,. Just as in
the Hungarian Revolt against the Russians. The US Promised them Air Cover and Further Support that Never Came. The Cuban Americans who were Trained in FLA were left to
die on the beach or captured by Casto’s Troops. Others survived by a miricle to talk about it later. I know a lot of this not just from reading history books either… from knowing those who were There.

Too Many Americans are ignorant of the History of the U.S. and of the 20th Century who are born in that era and those born after the Baby Boomers are Very Ingorant of Our World and U.S. History. i.e, Gen X, Gen Y and Gen Z…. for the Most Part too Absorbed with
themselves, Material Things, like the Video and Computer Games, I Pods, I Phones, Etc.

Not all of them of course, Not those who Volunteered for the Gulf Wars,,, and service in the
National and State Guards,, Or their Families, They are exempt from my comments.

Hi Bob, Thanks for the posting policy clarification. I will avoid double links in the future. The fedbizopps.gov site is a fascinating look into the buying habits of the vast military industrial complex. Extremely specific requirements for most items. And they solicit bids from small business which helps create jobs for those businesses.

Keep dreaming your paranoid fantasies. This is never going to happen, bob. The election will be held and he whoever gets the most electoral votes will win. I call it a 288-250 win for Obama but this one is still very much up for grabs.

And we have had created incidents of shootings of innocent people in movie theaters etc.

Keep dreamin’ Mark, I am sure many Jewish people said, “Oh, no, nothing will happen to us, Hitler is such a nice boy.” Or as PT said, “There is one born ever second.”

If you choose to believe all that rhetoric. It’s not like we have never been lied to before.

Since a very simple definition of excommunicate means to cut off or throw out the term would be appropriate.

They don’t give a damn about pass thru or innocents they want stopping power.

Stopping power is the number one reason to use hollow points. the others are secondary. What is your point?

The point is widerstances your original claim that the reason for hollow point ammo is to prevent pass thru.

“… they are using deadly force and they don’t want to risk pass through collateral damage to innocents.”

And the military personnel are denied hollow points because of the Geneva Convention.I suspect that we should be prepared for a bloody revolution due to Obama’s bias.

More likely so they can shoot first.

The FACTS that scare me start with 174,000 rounds and continue thru the nitrates. We have lots of other armed police agencies. Does NOOA need to protect itself with that much fire power? Why are we supporting law enforcement agencies that overlap jurisdictions? If it is in the water, let the Coast Guard handle it. A few months ago the Dept of Education bought riot grade SWAT type shotguns. To date I have not learned why. Do the people that bring school lunches and unified tests need riot control? I hope Paul Ryan’s budgets can get some of this militariy build up of our government under control.

Reply to the “Mikey Boy” Comments:
[1] I am Retired and Don’t work for Anyone, Much Less the Socialist Trash in charge now.
[2] I am Not a Troll like some of the Posters here. You want to Pick a Fight, Go Fight THEM.
[3] I Don’t Support the Teleprompter in Chief Nor any of his Socialist Radical Supporters Either. Again, Go Pick A Fiight with someone else who is a Traitor and Leftist Troll.
[4] I responded to the question about NOAA and the VA Police becasue of the Facts I know concerning both of the Agencies. Remember the Truth Shall Set You Free.
[5] You want to Explain about the Nitrate, Go Find the TRUTH and Report Back since you are so concerned. I am Not interested in Pursuing this Discussion Further. I have much better things to do with my time instead of getting into a Pissing Match with you. Got It ?

Touche”. Maybe I jumped prematurely. Used to dealing with Trolls on this site. Your arguements are sound as I did some research into your claims. Wasn’t aware of the facts. Thx. for clarification.

Sounds like we are having some spurts of civility here finally.
It takes some effort to acknowledge someone else might have it right and I applaud that.

I stated the FACTS, What you do with them is Up to YOU. There is PLENTY of Ammo for the Civilian Market. Except the retail prices are going up very quickly….. up 50 cents per box locally all becasue of the knee jerk reactions due to the Political Uncertainly of the coming Elections.. Less than 88 days away. And People are Concerned with the increase of any Gun Related Shootings by the Lamestream Media…. Maybe you should invest in reloading equipment, brass, powder and primers so you would have them when there is a real emergency. Practice with Cheap .22 LR Ammo, which is also going up in price.

We get to shoot back!

“Remember, this administration has been “all aboard” with the U.N’s Small Arms Treaty… ”

Nobody has been able to show for a fact that will impact any American citizen except those who are arms deales over seas.

Rob

How wrong you are Robert Smith. The proposed treaty called for the registration of ALL privately owned firearms. That affects every gun owner in the US. The proposed treaty called for the banning of ALL semi-auto rifles and I think semi-auto shotguns. That would affect many US gun owners. The proposed treaty had a provision for the confiscation and destruction of privately owned firearms. That would directly affect US gun owners. Thankfully they could not come to an agreement on the final wording of some parts of the treaty so it was abandoned FOR NOW.

Dearest Jabo, I believe you are violating Bob’s commenting policy regarding name calling. As far as the 700 lbs of explosives go, I ask you this; How many dogs do you think there are in law enforcement that need to be trained to identify explosives? If you figure that the contract is probably up to 700lbs to be used over a five year period is is probably a few ounces per dog. I just looked up the bid award on the Ammonium Nitrate and the A-5 Flake RDX and it is going to the TSA. Don’t you think it is a good idea to train those people and their dogs on how to recognize this type of explosive?

Eddie47d writes:
“It’s always nice to see how so many of you try and tie things in and attack the wrong party or person.”

Which is totally unlike liberals who really do understand that it’s all Bush’s fault.

I guess that explains NOAA needing all of that ammo. They don’t have a law enf. grp. Best guess is that they will be part of Obama’s National Citizen’s Army that he proposed in his campaigne. The funding is discreetly placed somewhere in the Obamacare prog. So now we have the DHS, TSA, NOAA, Dept. of Educ.and who knows what other federal agcy. to be enforcing the Imposter’s illegally passed laws.

Sorry to Inform you. BUT NOAA does have a Law Enforcement Branch. The National Fisheries Police for a better term, Look it up have sworn Police Officers who enforce all the Fishing Regulations and Laws Against Poaching Endangered Species of Fish, Game Fish and Commercial Fishing Violations. They are issued .40 cal firearms which has become the standard issue for law enforcement replacing the 9 MM cartridge used by the Military. This is NOT anything like the BLUNDERING Justice Dept. Fast And Furious Scandel. Do the Research FIRST and when someone with the correct background answers with the Truth, don’t pounce on them with the NWO Conspiracry Stuff. Not everyone posting is Out to get you or push the Govt. Mantra. I am NOT a Uber Liberal, Radical or Communist.
Am a Constitutional Conservative, not a radical, not a racist, But an American Born here and fed up with all the Lies and Disinformation being passed around on different sites by
leftist Trolls and Others trying to scare the Sheeple reading these posts. IF the Conservatives would Stop Fighting and NitPicking each other, We can come together and really take our Nation Back from the Socialist TRASH who have Hijacked the American Culture, and American Dream. I also Vote Independently of any Party. I read the record of the individual running for any office and vote according to whom will do the best job not for who has put out the Most BS with the most Lobbyists and the Most Campaign Financing.

People also have to be Active on a Local Level and State Level. Because that has the most impact your families and own life locally. Straighten Out the Local And State Govt.
First also enough momentium will Travel UP the Ladder at the same time as we need to
replace the top Executive Branches of Govt. And Get The Lifer Bureaucrats OUT. They are the ones controlling the Nation behind the Thin Veil the Politicians Present to the Public. Get Rid of ALL The Lobbyists except those who really represent the WE THE PEOPLE. Not just some special interest group segments of the People who are trying to get hand outs all the time. Recind the Laws that Claim Corporations are PEOPLE They are NOT People. But the Fourth Estate, ,,,, Think they are Govt. of themselves over the Public and the Working Americans employed by them. Bring Our Outsourced jobs Back Home and The Troops Home with them, Then The Country will Turn Around. Stop All Foreign Aid to All Countries who can take care of themselves and to any Foreign Countries Pretending to be Friends with us only for the Money. FIRE The CLINTONS out of any Public Service Jobs. They only represent themselves and the Special Interests that put them there. I could go on, But I am preaching to the Choir here.

My local Social Security and IRS offices have armed guards in their offices. I can understand how the offices might get some disgruntled patrons, but is this carrying things too far?

http://oig.ssa.gov/sites/default/files/Brochure%20-%20Criminal%20Investigator.pdf Looks like a nice job with a govt pension. Train you how to use a gun but you are required to carry one.

here you go Ernie. http://oig.ssa.gov/sites/default/files/Brochure%20-%20Criminal%20Investigator.pdf

Evidently the SSA has a Criminal Investigation Group that is trained to carry firearms. So training and arming them would make sense. Since the buy goes to 70+ offices in SSA that a just bit over 2000 rounds per office. Not excessive by most standards. Looks like a nice job. Good pay. Govt pension after 20 years of service. sign me up.

can’t wait til tomorrow’s exciting and factless pile of drivel consumed by nervous sheeple. Liberty rocks.

Hi Priscillia, are you from New Hampshire and moved out to the West Coast ? Just wondering.
Social Security Adminsitration has armed Special Agents responsible for investigation of cases of Fraud and Criminal Activity. They are spread across the country. So, their purchase has to cover all their personal and training as well. They also may just have security officers who are armed at larger urban locations because of the crime in general.
That would sound more logical would it not ?