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The Dispossessed Majority

August 10, 2012 by  

The Dispossessed Majority
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The bumper sticker on the beat-up pickup truck read: “Friends don’t let friends vote Democrat.”

The driver was obviously not affluent. Yet, despite all the news about mega-trillion-dollar bankster bailouts, mega-million-dollar bonuses for financial crooks and unimaginable compensation packages for corporate CEOs who have moved middle class jobs out of America, something made the down-and-out pickup truck driver associate with the political party of the super-rich.

As I wondered at this strange alliance of the dirt poor with the mega-rich, I remembered that in 2004, Thomas Frank wondered about how the Republicans had managed to convince the poor to vote against their best interests. Frank’s answer, or part of his answer, is that the Republicans use “social issues,” such as gay marriage and Janet Jackson’s exposed nipple, to work up indignation over the threat to moral values posed by liberal Democrats.

The working poor have been convinced by Republican propaganda that voting Democrat means giving the working poor’s tax dollars to the non-working poor, to providing medical care and schooling for illegal aliens, and being soft on terrorism.

To the pickup truck driver, standing up for America means standing up for bankster bailouts and the military/security complex’s multitrillion-dollar wars.

The Karl Rove Dirty Tricks Team has honed the Republican propaganda. Republicans send each other via email an endless number of nonsense stories about Barack Obama being a Muslim, about Obama being a Marxist, about Obama being a Manchurian candidate turning America over to the New World Order, the United Nations or some other dastardly plotting organization. But never is Obama accused of turning the United States over to Wall Street, the military/security complex or Israel.

There is never any citation or source for the accusations in the emails. None is needed, because the words are what the Republicans want to hear. Ask them why Obama would be killing Muslims in seven countries if he was a Muslim or why Wall Street and the military/security complex would put a Marxist in the White House, and they turn purple with rage. Just by asking the obvious questions instead of joining in the denunciations, a person confirms the propaganda that America is threatened by Obama dupes who won’t stand up for the country.

The non-affluent who rage about welfare, Medicaid, Obamacare and public schools can’t seem to put two and two together. The $750 billion TARP bankster bailout, a small part of the total and ongoing bailout, would have sufficed to cover any holes in these budgets for a long time. Instead, the money went to reward those who caused the financial crisis and threw millions of Americans out of their homes. As far as I know, the pickup truck driver is one of the dispossessed.

The same brainwashed Americans who rage against Obamacare and are lined up to vote for Mitt Romney are oblivious to the fact that Romney, while Governor of the eastern liberal Democratic state of Massachusetts, had his version of Obamacare enacted at the State level.

The greatest irony about Obamacare is that it was written by the private insurance companies and diverts Medicaid and Medicare funds to their profits. It is socialized medicine alright, but it is socialism for the private insurance companies.

All it took to convince Red Staters to go along with the military/security complex squandering $6 trillion on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were yellow ribbon decals and a slogan, “Support the troops.”

Obama, Republicans claim, won’t stand up to Syria, or against Iran or for Israel. But Republicans are proud when Romney goes to Israel to slither on his belly, pandering to the crazed, bloodthirsty Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who called Israeli top generals “pussies” for warning against attacking Iran. Romney told Netanyahu: “Just tell me what to do, and I’ll do it; I am loyal to Israel.” Apparently, flag-waving Republican patriots are not bothered when their Presidential candidate announces that as soon as he is in office he will turn over U.S. foreign policy to Netanyahu and send more americans to death and bankruptcy for Netanyahu.

Karl Rove didn’t have any trouble at all in brainwashing Red Staters to support their own demise. The pickup truck driver could just as well have sported a bumper sticker that read: “Don’t support a Democrat. He might do something for you.”

Yes, I know. It is almost as easy to beat up on Democrats. George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their neocon hoodlums destroyed the Constitution and, thereby, America. But the Democrats let them. It was Nancy Pelosi, who as Speaker of the House stridently declared Bush’s impeachment to be “off the table.”

Bush and Cheney unquestionably violated both U.S. and international laws and the Constitution. Pelosi’s refusal to hold them accountable established the precedent that the executive branch is no longer accountable to law or to the Constitution. In effect, the executive branch now comprises a dictatorship. It acts outside of law and Constitutional restraints. On some issues it still has to consult with Congress or the courts; but as the executive branch’s power and audacity grows, consultation will become a formality and then drop away. Congress will have no more influence than the Roman Senate under the Empire, and courts will become stages for show trials.

Americans elected Obama President, expecting that he would restore the rule of law. Instead, he codified the Bush regime’s transgressions and added some of his own. No one of my generation could have imagined the President of the United States sitting in the Oval Office signing off on lists of American citizens to be murdered without evidence or due process of law.

So which do you want? The Republican panderer to the rich and Israel whose foreign policy is war or the Democrat panderer to the rich and Israel whose foreign policy is war? As Gerald Celente wrote in the July issue of the Trends Journal, americans “argue among themselves why their freak is better than the other freak. They will get angry with you if you call their freak a freak. They will actually fight and die to defend their freaks.”

It is extraordinary that millions of americans actually believe fervently that it matters whether Romney freak or Obama freak gets elected. If americans had any sense, they would stay home and not vote. The 1 percent control the country, and the 99 percent had just as well own up to it and stay at home. Nothing is going to change because of the ballot box.

What do you suppose the Ron Paul supporters will do? Will they see Romney as the less socialist of the two and vote for the Republicans who stole the nomination from Paul? (Jaret Glenn, “How the GOP Establishment Stole the Nomination from Ron Paul,” published on Aug. 6 on the OpEdNews website.)

The United States is ruled by a private oligarchy. The government is merely its front. The country’s resources are diverted to the pockets of Wall Street, the military/security complex and to the service of greater Israel. The oil, mining, timber and agribusiness companies control the Environmental Protection Agency and the Forestry Service, which is why regulation pertains only to the small individual, while fracking, mountaintop removal mining and pollution of air, water and soil run wild.

The oligarchs have succeeded in making americans a dispossessed majority in their own country. In November, americans will again give their approval to one of the oligarchy’s two candidates.

–Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts

was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of The Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His Internet columns have attracted a worldwide following, and can be accessed here.

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  • http://yahoo bob peters

    You arm chair idiots amaze me..I am neither Rep. or Dem…Just an American voter who is looking at your party pukes wondering what flavor of Koolaid you drink….Barack Hussein Obama is 100% Marxist and is hell bent on destroying your beloved america…Go ahead and put the Red back in the White house..A year from now when your are subjects of the communist state you will realize the harm you have done to your Children and Grandchildren..You will go down in history as the ones who sold your country out! Patriots will fight to the death for our freedom . WSe may die trying to avert the communist takeover,but we will have honor! When we stand before god, We wont have to look down in shame! Have at it,elect your Red!

  • Vet

    We have a idiot in the whitehouse promising free everything , and this guy is saying the Republicans are misleading the poor. That is rich and a lie !!! Pure progressive propaganda !!!

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      Right on brother!

  • bruce

    so when did this site go commie? did i miss something? i have never read such anti american garbage in a long time…..wait, i sub to moveon.org, so i get my trash delivered. you surprised me. wow.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The site hasn’t gone left anywhere because there are people on this site who predominate the direction of this site by the Freedom of Speech they express.
      Writers write and express what they believe but if no one reads them or talks back to them they are just blowing into the wind.
      Know with certainty as an INDIVIDUALIST what you believe.

    • Vigilant

      bruce, Paul Craig Roberts did postgraduate work at Berkeley and is a member of the ACLU. ‘Nuff said.

      “On March 26, 2010, Roberts announced he was “signing off” as a journalist in a column titled “Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It”. However two months later another article by Roberts had appeared in counterpunch.org. Thereafter he resumed publishing articles regularly, going on to publish 25 more articles in 2010 alone, cf. on his website.” (Wikipedia).

      Too bad he didn’t honor his sign off pledge, instead of continuing to pollute the media with his anti-Republican and anti-Israeli views.

  • dan

    Paul…you forgot to mention that the Twin Towers became the property of an Israeli just weeks before the Israeli (Mossad )operatives were filming their destruction while dancing and celebrating….or that a van filled with explosives and driven by Israeli (Mossad) operatives was intercepted …oh and the gold in the repository in the basement that was sneaked in the back of garbage trucks prior to the tragedy.

    • Paul Wells

      Dan,
      I’m assuming you have some evidence to back up these charges…otherwise, they’re just internet rumors.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        dan is slinging pig manure and hopes that it will stick to somone.

  • Reagan

    I do not find you well informed or well read…you seem to be full of the left “disinformation” being dispensed…..wake up..open your eyes! Read some facts, grow up and be through with that ideological childish hang up!

    • Karolyn

      I think you need a course in comprehensive reading.

    • Ted Crawford

      ” Cynics regard everyone as equally corrupt….Idealists regard everyone as equally corrupt, except themselves ” Robert Wilson
      ” An Idealist is one who on noticing that a Rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup ” H. L. Mencken

  • Alan

    I too am a Ron Paul supporter. But, if there is a split in the non democratic vote, Obama will win again. And he is the greater evil of the two candidates. A write in vote is not a vote for Paul, it is a vote for Obama. Don’t listen to Mr. Roberts.

    • eddie47d

      That is why the American political system remains the same and we are stuck between the two major parties. Being a Ron Paul supporter and voting against your conscience defeats your reasoning and forces you to accept what you loath.

      • Alan

        Ron Paul unfortunately will not be on the ballot in this race. Once again, follow closely on this, a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for Obama. Read this over and over until it penetrates that thick skull of yours.

      • eddie47d

        That is why so many of you are unbelievable. 3 years ago it was Ron Paul or bust. Apparently you will choose the lesser of the two evils and sacrifice your principles at the altar. Now as you say about “thick skulls”? Yours has turned to mush.

      • Vigilant

        Based on your oft-published views, eddie, it would seem that you are trying to engineer an Obama victory by encouraging Paul supporters to divorce themselves from the two party system.

        Who will you vote for eddie? You’re protected by screen name anonymity, so you should have no qualms about answering that question.

  • Karolyn

    How? What Bob Livingston pushes is thinking.

    • Ted Crawford

      What it is, given the timing here, is little more than the tantrum of a petulant youngster!

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Ted Crawford,

        You write: “What it is, given the timing here, is little more than the tantrum of a petulant youngster!” Who are you addressing here?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

  • Jim Clark

    The Cat Man
    What puzzles me is why Bob Livingston keeps pushing B.H. Obama

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Jim Clark,

      You write: “What puzzles me is why Bob Livingston keeps pushing B.H. Obama” What I’m “pushing” is for a new paradigm.
      http://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/08/10/obamas-biggest-lie-or-is-he-this-naive/

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Alana

        Obama isn’t naive, nor was that a lie. This election is going to make a huge difference in the direction the country is going. Obama is not just another democrat, but a radical America-hater. Our country and our freedom will be DESTROYED if he wins!

      • MAP

        I completely agree with you Alana.

  • Paul Wells

    I’ll gather from Mr. Roberts tome here that he is not a fan of Israel. I’m not sure what is considered “fair” where you are from Mr. Roberts, but to the best of my knowledge, Israel and it’s people have not had an easy go of it throughout history. Also, if you believe in the Bible at all, you’d know that those are God’s chosen people. Why is it so much to ask for the Arab countries to just leave Israel alone, let them have their lands, which God promised to them. I think you’d find they’ll back off and leave the Palestinians alone, if the Palestinians will quit lobbing bombs over their borders towards Israel.

    However, as far as conspiracy theories go, about the dirty Republican’s who are never above the fray, your opinions are interesting. If people would just act honestly, ethically, and remember the Golden Rule, life on this planet would be a lot easier. But, alas, it shall never be.

    • Karolyn

      EVERYBODY is God’s chosen people!

      • Corkey

        The New Covenant established upon Christs death, says otherwise. The followers of the teachings of Jesus are now the chosen ones, which includes people of all races. The Old Covenant is dead and we have absolutely no responsibility towards physical Israel. This heresy was only established in the early 1900s by Nelson Darby and his strange teachings which infiltrated the Christian Churches.

      • Karolyn

        Thank you Corkey. Although I am not a Christian, I am glad that you have brought light on this subject for those Christians who believe that we need to support Israel in absolutely every way because of what the Bible says.

      • Paul Wells

        To Corkey:

        Try reading Matthew 5:17-20. There, you will learn that you are mistaken, that Jesus (and the New Testament in general) did not obliterate the Old Covenant as you have stated, but rather to fulfill it.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Paul Wells,

      You write: “Also, if you believe in the Bible at all, you’d know that those are God’s chosen people.” Please cite for me book, chapter and verse.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • MAP

        That was by the old convenant, not the new. By the new, christians are the chosen.

      • Paul Wells

        Dear Bob,

        Glad to:
        1. Genesis 15:18-21 is the first mention of God giving to Abraham’s descendents the lands of Egypt to the Euphrates River.
        2. Exodus 23:31 is a more detailed granting of lands from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean.Sea.
        3. Numbers 34
        4. Ezekiel 47

        Granted, there is much dispute about the borders and current locations of the described lands, but there is no dispute that the lands described in the Good Book are much more than what Israel currently occupies.

        I’d further note that the New Testament does not disqualify any of the boundaries from the Old Testament, so I’d conclude from that, there hasn’t been any modification of the arrangement that God set down in the OT.

        But really…it comes down to faith, I suppose…either you believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God, or you don’t, or..as some “legalists” do, quibble with minutia of what the Bible has stated, trying to rearrange the meaning, to imply that we just don’t understand what God or Jesus meant. Jesus deals with this subject at length in Luke 11:37-54, where he comes down pretty hard on lawyers and others for attending to the letter of God’s Law, but not the intent.

        Thanks for the opportunity to air my opinion!

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Paul Wells,

        Thanks for responding. You cited exactly what I anticipated. The promise was to Abraham and his seed. His seed broke the covenant. This was confirmed when the nations of Israel and Judah were scattered, and finally upon the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Now Abraham’s seed is the Spiritual nation of Israel; that is the Church. Jews rejected Christ and have no part in the Church.

        Nehemiah 1: 7-8 (NASB)
        7 We have acted very corruptly against You and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the ordinances which You commanded Your servant Moses. 8 Remember the word which You commanded Your servant Moses, saying, ‘If you are unfaithful I will scatter you among the peoples;

        Hosea 8 (NASB)
        8 Israel is swallowed up;
        They are now among the nations
        Like a vessel in which no one delights.
        9 For they have gone up to Assyria,
        Like a wild donkey all alone;
        Ephraim has hired lovers.
        10 Even though they hire allies among the nations,
        Now I will gather them up;
        And they will begin to diminish
        Because of the burden of the king of princes.
        11 Since Ephraim has multiplied altars for sin,
        They have become altars of sinning for him.
        12 Though I wrote for him ten thousand precepts of My law,
        They are regarded as a strange thing.
        13 As for My sacrificial gifts,
        They sacrifice the flesh and eat it,
        But the LORD has taken no delight in them.
        Now He will remember their iniquity,
        And punish them for their sins;
        They will return to Egypt.
        14 For Israel has forgotten his Maker and built palaces;
        And Judah has multiplied fortified cities,
        But I will send a fire on its cities that it may consume its palatial dwellings.

        Because Israel played the harlot God scattered them. Because the Jews rejected Jesus, God rejected them.

        Now the promise in Gen. 12:3 is fulfilled through the spiritual children of Abraham. The Law was nailed to the cross, and with it the promise to the physical children of Abraham was granted to the spiritual children of Abraham.

        Read Galatians 3 for better understanding of this. As verse 29 says, “And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.” (NASB)

        Read also Colossians 2
        13 When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. (NASB)

        Romans 4
        16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17 (as it is written, “A FATHER OF MANY NATIONS HAVE I MADE YOU”) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist. 18 In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “SO SHALL YOUR DESCENDANTS BE.” 19 Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. 22 Therefore IT WAS ALSO CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification. (NASB)

        Read also Romans 10

        From Matthew 23:29ff “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
        34 “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, 35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’” (NASB)

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • MAP

        Paul, one of questions, for me at least, is: are the present occupants of the state of Isreal the biological descendants of the ancient people of the Old Testament? This is an important question, but the answer varies depending upon the source. Certain people would be compelled to obscure these facts for obvious reasons. I don’t have an opinon, becuse I don’t have the facts, though I, and probably many others would like to. Our entire foreign policy in regards to Isreal are based on only one side of this enigma and appears rather suspicious to say the least.

      • Paul Wells

        Map,
        Having read Bob’s well researched ideas that Israel invalidated the Old Covenant themselves and by their actions, it may be a moot point whether the current inhabitants of Israel are in fact Abraham’s descendents. I’ll do more research on this myself, I’m humble enough to admit that I may not know enough, Bob certainly makes some compelling arguments through scripture.

        But I think it’s a given that until Jews do acknowledge (even if it’s as Jesus returns for his Church) that he is the Son of God, they probably won’t “make the cut” for the next life. Jews for Jesus aside, I think that one transgression does anger God mightily. The Jews were expecting the Son of God to be like a King, and Jesus was…well…more like a carpenter.

        Thanks Bob, for your well reasoned response. Have a good day!

    • Polski

      Well, Israel is the one that told everyone that they are God’s chosen people. But God hasn’t said anything.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why don’t you read His Book and find out what God has to say about Israel. You may find out the mind of God.

    • http://none Charlie

      Paul Wells,,, you have a point ,,,but,,,you missed a split in the family tree,,,remember Abraham , Isaac and Jacob Israel are the Founding Fathers,,,BUT,,,Jacob’s twin brother Esau is in the family tree ,,,so,,,these people in the so called state of Israel today are from the lineage of Abraham ,,,but,,,from the Esau lineage , King Jesus pointed them out at Revelations 2:9 and again a 3:9,,,ALSO,,,remember God / King Jesus “Cursed” Esau , lineage forever see that at Malachi 1 … The Bible says in many places that the children of Israel are God’s chosen people ,,,King Jesus said that at Matthew 15:24 ” I came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel” ,,, no where in The Bible do you find the statement “the Jews are God’s chosen people” ,,,IF,,,. you can find it Please tell Me the Scripture number…
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38…

  • David

    This is another David. I am sorry but to not vote means one should shut his or her mouth for the next four years. At least our sad congress has held up obummer-until he figured out what executive order was…..Not voting could get Pelosi back in the lime light! Do you really want to see that nappy headed B in front of the camera for the next 4 years??!!

    Again Romney isn’t the best but I would vote for a can of bakes beans over what we have now. I hope his veep is better than Biden :0)

    • http://realsustainability.wordpress.com realsustainability

      Oh, no ‘nother Dave! Why would one want to participate in a system that represents the ultra elite while the rest of us are paying for & then scrambling for some of the scraps from the multitrillion dollar bailouts? I’ll not vote for someone I do not beleive in, end of story. Obama is one of those and Romney is one of those. Will probably write in Ron Paul but the rest of the field I’ll take on a one-by-one basis. And yes, it IS possible to feel so disenfranchised by the whole political system that one feels like his vote is useless so why bother…….it hapens all the time.

      • David

        If he wins a second term there won’t be any tax payers left when he is done. I would rather be a tax payer and be pissed off than a sheep working on the plantation with no rights. Stand up now or sit down for good…….

  • Linda

    As a product of a working poor family – I can see that Mr Roberts doesn’t think much of the working poor. We’re not stupid, blinded or easily led. What we are is loyal to the constitution and republicanism (not to be confused with the GOP). We understand that govt welfare to anyone or anything is a travisty and draining what little wealth we had, we understand that the Democrat party is so leftist to be communistic and that is a very dangerous thing to a society AND it’s people> Most of us (including me) are enlisted veterans or have family who were enlisted (not officers), we work very hard, we scrape and save and borrow as smartly as we can to give our children a better life only to have it stolen by the govt. The best we can do now IS vote republican, get control of the Congress at least and then look for candidates outside of the IVY league good ol guys/gals club. 1st things first -

    • conserve

      Excellent post, hits the nail right on the head.Those of us that are veterans and workig poor also believe that having forward bases across the world is a very good stratigic thing also. We have seen the result of letting the world police itself in the making of WWII as we set back pulled our troops home. I know that if we had forward ases at that time the war would have been shorter with fewer lifes lost.

  • Chad A. Johnson

    Mr. Roberts has overlooked the fact that some citizens remain self-reliant and take pride in providing for their family, a trait our society took for granted 60 years ago. It is not a coincidence that these same citizens have maintained their integrity and love of country despite an environment of greed, corruption and self-serving attitudes.

    Nietzsche’s observation that most men are sheep has proven to be all too accurate. Too bad the sheep wish to follow society’s worst examples in their quest for a “free lunch”. I liked it better when we got our money the old-fashioned way……….we earned it.

    • eddie47d

      Many of those politicians who say they stand up for self reliance and hard work (correctly so) are also the same ones who push for wars of aggressions and insist it is America’s duty to be militarily everywhere in the world. They keep the citizenry in a constant state of fear and panic that someone is out to get them. That always assures that the masses are doomed without them.

    • Fred17

      It’s a shame there are so few of us left. What happens when they run out of other people’s money?

      • http://speedle speedle

        For your answer check out what is going on in the streets of Athens, and soon other European countries. It will be worse here because instead of begging Germany for money we will be begging the Chicoms. There will be civil war.

  • ItCanHappenToYou

    I think that in the future you will see middle classs America come together and elect a representive for themselves, I just hope that will happen before too much damadge is done. Besides it shouldn’t be too hard to find someone better than the choices that we have this election.

    • Florence

      I think this is a great and powerful idea you have. Does anyone know how to go about it?

  • David

    I’m an advocate of Ron Paul’s philosophy. I will vote for neither Republican or Democrate but what I believe is the most constitutional choice. My fantasy is that the Ron Paul delegates at Tampa will overwhelmingly vote Ron Paul as their candidate and stand up for America and not the GOP leaving Mit Romney and the rest of the establishment standing with their mouth’s open, speachless. If that doesn’t happen I will submit a write in vote for Ron Paul. I cannot conscientiously do otherwise nor will principle allow me to do different.

    • ItCanHappenToYou

      I too will write in for Ron Paul.

    • David

      So you would rather throw your vote away and let obama win and destroy this country? Have we ever been more divided? Then what are you going to do? This may well be your last vote-so figure it out.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        But the voter has a choice. So why would you take the making of that choice away from someone?

      • Average Joe

        David,
        Have you ever considered that your vote for Robamney is throwing your vote away? You do know of course that Obama and Romney agree on policy right? A quick refresher course for you:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUs17azUFs

        Just to get under your skin a bit more, I too will be voting for Ron Paul in November.
        If you like “business as usual” candidates, by all means…vote for Robamney (you’ll get the government you deserve)
        If on the other hand, you wish to leave a better America for your children and grand children than you have been left with, you may want to consider “not” wasting your vote…by voting for Ron Paul.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • DaveH

        If Ron Paul gets the nomination or runs as third party, I will also vote for him. But if he doesn’t run, writing in his name will be a waste of momentum. It would be much more productive to throw your weight behind the Libertarian Party candidate — Gary Johnson, who may not have a chance, but the more exposure the Libertarians get, the more people will come to see that their Philosophy is the only Principled political philosophy out there.
        Ron Paul will be gone soon, but the push for Freedom will only be gone if we let it die. Then the elitists win. Let’s not let them.
        If you believe, as I do, that no human, other than yourself, has the right to control your own body and property then only the Libertarian Party can represent you.

      • Jeff

        Here’s some free unsolicited advice I hope the Libertarians don’t take. I thought the Green Party made a huge mistake relying on celebrity Presidential candidates like Ralph Nader for publicity. To build a party, you have to start at the bottom – state legislatures, maybe get someone elected to Congress. Putting up a symbolic figure every 4 years will do nothing to build a party. The Greens and the Libertarians will remain equally hopeless until they recognize that fact and change their approach.

        BTW: The Libertarians want your MONEY, too, Dave!

      • DaveH

        Keep hoping and dreaming, Jeff. The young people are increasingly gravitating to Libertarianism. It’s just a matter of time until people wake up. It might be too late, though, as the PTBs are trying their best to keep the citizens ignorant.
        But keep on spreading your propaganda, Jeff. Maybe people won’t wake up, and you’ll be able to keep your place at the trough.

    • Steve E

      I voted for Paul during the primaries, and I would love to see the Paul Delegates leave the GOP mouths wide open at the convention also. However I will vote for Romney in the elections, if just to do anything, I can cancel out an Obama vote.

      • Average Joe

        Steve E ,

        I am hoping that if the GOP and RNC try to exclude Dr. Paul from the convention, that his delegates have the testicular fortitude to turn thier backs on the RNC and GOP (literally) while the whole world is watching televised… and refuse to vote for Mittens…thereby denying him 1144 votes and the nomination. They can’t nominate Willard with less than that amount…and they certainly can’t take the White House without our support in the general election. The GOP can either get on board with us..or they can lose the battle…we aren’t budging from our convictions. NO WILLARD!

        Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012! In it to win it!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Truth2Power

        AJ: As a Jerry Brown delegate to the 1992 Democratic Convention, I can advise you as to what will happen to the Paul delegates at this years Republican Immaculation. If you threaten to or actually carry out any “civil disobedience acts” during prime time at the convention, the powers-that-be will begrudgingly accommodate you – to a certain extent. They’ll throw you a few crumbs like letting Dr. Paul address the convention during non-prime time hours, allow you to place his name in nomination (but without too much fanfare), then step all over you and forget you on the way out the door. Ron Paul no longer has the support or the personal intestinal fortitude to truly turn his back on the Republican Party (which regards him as a joke and a pariah) and launch another independent effort. He only ran this year to keep the Paul name in the headlines and pave the way for his son Rand to run in 2016. The Republicans know you have no alternative now that Willard has the nomination tied up, so expect to be treated as the red-headed step-children at the convention and assumed to be Romney/Ryan voters come November.

      • http://None Paul Morrison

        Steve E- I have been reading this thread with my mouth wide open until I saw your contribution. This election cycle is pivotal. If president obama wins reelection the USA becomes, at best, a third world country with no future. If Romney wins we live to fight another day. The decision is simple. he the american voter makes the right call!

      • Farleyagain

        Paul – Exactly right. We live to fight another day or not. That is the choice.

      • Jeff

        I would say having the Party of Ryan, Akin, Bachmann, Gohmert, Fox, King, and McConnell in power would be the definition of a third world, yahoo nation. They are, as recognized by even John Boehner, “knuckle draggers.”

      • Jeff

        Where do you loons come up with this stuff? Third world? Is that supposed to be a dog whistle reference to Kenya or Indonesia? You guys usually like to compare Obama to Stalin or Lenin. The Soviet Union was the 2nd world, remember?

        No, lets have W Redux on steroids only this time with Ayn Rand as VP. Unbelievable stupidity. Just let Romney pass tax laws that explicitly say no one named Romney ever has to pay taxes again. It would eliminate the need for his elaborate tax shelter schemes.

    • Florence

      David: I am Writing in Ron Paul. There is no one better for the presidency.

      • Florence

        It is incredulous that BO would give amnesty to 2 million illegals and educate them as well as give them job permits. It is not enough that we have given them food stamps and rent stipends and classroom education, and let’s not forget free health care. I am so sure that he is going to grant amnesty across the board if he is re-elected. I don’t want to think about the negative impact on this country. He obviously has a machine behind him. I find it so hard to believe that Americans are not rallying against this blatant disregard for our sovereignty. This is a slap in the face to all Americans and in particular to generations of poor American families whose children would have benefited from college or other higher education. I do not like this president, he is evil to the core!

      • Karolyn

        Just keep believing evrything you hear.( as long as it suits your agenda, that is)

      • Average Joe

        Karolyn,
        OK, you can stop repeating that ..you’ve finally convinced…. yourself.

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • DaveH

        Where’s the love, Karolyn?
        Trash that magic mirror. It’s lying to you.

    • Commenttime

      Romeny Or Obama = status qoe. With Romney we will just die a little slower but in the end they both work for the same people and nothing will change. Their speaches even sound the same. Maybe same writer. Voting for Ron Paul and no other.

  • Ted Crawford

    It seems that Politicians and Pundits have the same mindset, to overwhelm us with long winded rhetoric, loaded with ” Facts and Figures” , twists and turns, nuance after nuance, attempting to convince us that without their wisdom, we stand no chance of making wise choices ! HORSE PUCKY !
    There are two primary ideologies, Conservative, anchored by Anarchy, and Progressive, anchored by Marxism!
    The conservatives expand the base, and economy. Do they do this for me? NO! ! And I’m very glad they don’t ! If they were doing it for me, they might easily become discouraged and decide it wasn’t worth the effort. By the very act of expansion they create an opportunity for any willing to do what it takes to also expand their income and security!
    The Progressive also dosn’t labor for my benefit nor, saddly do they do it for the disadvantaged, they, like the Conservatives, do it for their own benefit! However what they do contracts and restricts the base and the economy. This provides NO opportunity for personal income expansion, rather it confiscates income from the productive to enslave the disadvantaged! When a man can make a higher income and access better benefits by not working than by working, he might easily be seduced to take the handout, for the good of his family, rather than take the job!
    The choice is this; Are we to return to a Nation of personnelly responsible citizens or are we better served to accept the Government subsidies and benefits!

    • Vigilant

      Excellent analysis Ted!

  • Dave

    It is obvious that the Brainwashed Fox News Junkies can’t handle the truth of this article.

    • Vigilant

      Always nice to see a leftist agree with Roberts. It confirms my points posted earlier.

      • Dave

        So being a Libertarian is the same as being a leftest?

      • Vigilant

        Doesn’t matter what you label yourself. If you agree with Roberts on bailing out California, foreclosed morgagees and welfare recipients, Medicaid, Obamacare and public schools with deficit spending and taxpayers’ money, you are no Libertarian.

        If you call it an honest article when he has deceptively played with the TARP numbers, then you don’t recognize propaganda when you see it.

        If you believe that “there’s no money for California, or for Americans’ health care, or for the several million Americans who have lost their homes and are homeless, because Israel needs it,” then you can’t add two and two either. Israel’s “take” is so small compared to the monsters he references as to be a fart in the wind.

        If you don’t perceive his hatred for Israel deceptively wrapped in the nobility of Libertarianism, then you have swallowed his diatribe hook, line and sinker.

      • DaveH

        Paul Craig Roberts is no Libertarian. Please don’t spread rumors.
        If you know anything at all about Libertarianism, you can read just this one article and see that:
        http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/01/23/how-libertarian-dogmatists-are-sabotaging-ron-pauls-campaign/

    • huntman

      There is NO truth in this article, starting with the statement that Al Franken is funny. The author is clearly confused as to why “down-and-out pickup truck driver” (whatever that means) does not want Obama to make the rest of America to be “down and out” like him. It did not even occur to him that maybe this driver wants to stop being “down and out” and wants to count his own money instead of Romney’s. Guy is either a raving moron (if he actually believes this crap) or a sock puppet for the current Politburo at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

    • Fred17

      I guess you can’t stand Fox News because it dares to present BOTH sides of issues. Unlike the one-sided networks.

      • Truth2Power

        When has Faux “News” ever presented both sides of any issue?

      • Chester

        I treat FAUX news the same way I treat “HONEST JOHN’S USED CARS,” like the known liars they are. Anyone who has to scream to the world about how honest they are or how “fair and and balanced” their reporting is, I tend to run fast as possible in the other direction, or else accept the fact that ninety percent of what is said is slanted to make the sale, regardless of the truth of the matter.

      • bonniewheeler

        I have requested every one who criticizes Fox News to offer us some false statement from even one of the many Democrats, Independents and Republicans that make up the Fox network – not one has ever been able to do that, therefore, their statement against Fox News is null and void. In addition, Fox has been voted ‘most trusted’ by many pollls

      • http://www.facebook.com/robert77581 Robert Allen

        Bonnie: You are so right!!! Isn’t it amazing that those who criticize FNC the most don’t bother to watch it. I have watched MSNBC and the others but the closest to even balanced is when they have psuedo-conservatives and then only the ones who have no standing in the world of conservatism..Liberals live in an unrealistic world of fantasy and libertarians are also unrealistic and illogical if they actually believe there is no differences between the Democratic and Republican views and party platforms. Granting, I would love to see the Republicans be more realistic when it comes to military expansionism, but I’ve learned that many things which we desire as those who support very limited government must take baby steps many times to accomplish real change.

  • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

    There is some truth in what he says, but Obama also wants to be portrayed as such, (Marxist, Muslim, etc..)because it energizes his base

    • Shelia

      really ooooppert you realy sound stupid

    • Karolyn

      Ridiculous!

  • Steve

    What a bunch of crap. You are more than unhinged, you are crazy and misinformed.

  • Dave

    Paul Craig Roberts Hits the nail on the head with this one. He really tells it like it is! We need another political party that represents “We The People”, not the Oligarchy or Corporatocracy.

    • Debbie

      I totally agree. The problem is, how can we get sufficient funding and media coverage for a third party candidate so that (s)he will have a fair chance of winning an election? Both the Democrats and Republicans are funded by the powers that be who want to maintain the status quo. Anyone who would actually represent ordinary working American citizens doesn’t have a chance.

    • boyscout

      A vote for an unsuccessful candidate does, at least, express opinion, and, hopefully influence the successful office seeker. Let us who are to vote a third party line are not instigating repression from the elected.

  • eddy114

    This guy sounds a little anti-semitic to me. And full of it too!

    • Karolyn

      Can you define “anti-semitic?” Because people do not agree with being Israel’s lapdog, thy are anti-semitic?

    • Dick

      Anti-semitic? I’m pro Jewish (I like them, they’re great people, damned funny, and such triers – they have reacted to an intense 1900+ years of anti-jewish discrimination and murder with humor and an attitude that somehow encourages them never to give up in spite of the terrible time that almost everyone else has visited on them), but I’m anti-Israeli-state. Israel-in-Palestine is and was a (big) mistake. Does that make me pro- or anti- semitic? And a side note – arabs (the real ones from Arabia), lebanese, Iraqis, Jordanians, Yemenis, and half or more of the Syrians are ‘semitic’ too. Before the rise of Islam, they all, including the Jews, spoke semitic languages, mostly Aramaic, the language of Jesus. And (in case you’re wondering) the exceptions are the Egyptians, who are Copts, and the Iranians, who are and always have been, the Persians (who speak Farsi)..

      • boyscout

        Thanks for the easy to understand clarification. Hope it sinks in. Now to question Anti-Zionism .

  • Vigilant

    In one of his more disingenuous statements, Roberts says, “The non-affluent who rage about welfare, Medicaid, Obamacare and public schools can’t seem to put two and two together. The $750 billion TARP bankster bailout, a small part of the total and ongoing bailout, would have sufficed to cover any holes in these budgets for a long time. Instead, the money went to reward those who caused the financial crisis and threw millions of Americans out of their homes.”

    I’m surprised that a man who was once Assistant Sec. of Treasury can’t put two and two together himself.

    “Altogether, accounting for both bailouts [TARP and Fannie/Freddie], $602 billion has gone out the door—invested, loaned, or paid out—while $309 billion has been returned…In July 2010, the financial regulation overhaul reduced TARP’s spending cap to $475 billion from the original $700 billion.

    “The Treasury has been earning a return on most of the money invested or loaned. So far, it has earned $82 billion. When those revenues are taken into account, $211 billion is the net still outstanding as of Aug. 1, 2012.”

    Above from http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/main/summary

    So your claim that “The $750 billion TARP bankster bailout… would have sufficed to cover any holes in these budgets for a long time” is entirely misleading. $211 billion is considerably LESS than $750 billion, and the balance continues to be paid back.

    Moreover, since the TARP was DEFICIT spending, we can logically infer that you believe that “welfare, Medicaid, Obamacare and public schools” should be funded via DEFICIT spending, if TARP would have been better used to patch up budget holes in those programs.

    For one of the co-authors of supply side economics, you have a strange perspective on things.

  • Karolyn

    Love this line: “All it took to convince Red Staters to go along with the military/security complex squandering $6 trillion on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were yellow ribbon decals and a slogan, “Support the troops.” That’s all it takes for the over-emotional “average” middle class American.

    One of the most interesting articles I’ve read here ever!

    • eddie47d

      Back in the Nixon days they were called the Silent Majority and supported anything by all politicians who pushed a patriotic flavor. Even if the decisions were historically wrong they labeled anyone who didn’t support those wars as enemies of the state. Today we have a few in both camps who fall all over the Patriot Act and going to war with Iran without question.

    • Flashy

      Karolyn…I had the same thoughts. I had to go back and verify that this was an article on the PL forum. Much of what the article states has been stated by the Moderates and Progressives on this site and who were slammed and denigrated for daring to say it.

      It will prove the author’s point (and the points made in the past by the Moderate posters here), m if he is not slammed and denigrated to the same extent had you or I written it as a comment.

      • Karolyn

        Well, Flashy, looking at the posts, I see a lot of people who are po’d; but, oddly, many are not regular posters. I’d love to hear from some of the regulars.

      • DaveH

        Who do you think you’re kidding, Flashman? Certainly not the regular readers who know you have no credibility.
        In fact, I don’t recall you saying anything that hasn’t been in support of Big Government. You are a loyal shill.

    • Jeff

      I’m sure there is some truth in the article, but I don’t buy that it doesn’t matter who gets elected. Can you really say it didn’t matter if W or Gore won? Would we have gone to Iraq under Gore? Afghanistan, maybe, assuming three had been a 911 attack, but the Afghanistan adventure would have been short and decisive.

      Obama v. McCain? No difference? McCain would have NEVER pulled the troops out of Iraq. Plus, one of the most important things a President does is picking Justices to the Supreme Court. We’re still being ruled by appointees from Reagan-Bush 1. I didn’t harbor too many hatreds for Bush 1, particularly compared to W, but his picking Clarence Thomas to replace Thurgood Marshall may have been the most cynical thing any politician has ever done.

      • Polski

        After Eisenhower’s 2 terms were over, the “expert historians” said he was the worst president ever because he never did anything while he was in office. Ten years later, these same “expert historians” said he was the best president ever because he never did anything while he was in office…….hahahahaha…….

    • Polski

      I agree. It’s the first article I’ve read here that is what is happening. But I like this forum. It’s the only one that has fanatics on BOTH sides making ridiculous statements over and over. The other forums are strictly one sided.

      • SJJolly

        Some of us try at making the forums less one-sided. (Sweeping against the tide).

      • Nadzieja Batki

        By whose authority?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        My comment was to SJJolly.

      • Chester

        Nadzieja Batki, who needs any additional authority to comment on here, other than the fact they feel they might have something to contribute to the conversation? As long as you have a computer and an internet connection, plus a link to this site, you need no other authority. I have found that to be true for most of the blogs online, regardless of how much some of the posters cry and gripe and scream about someone disagreeing with them. I don’t always agree with Mr. Livingston, or some (usually most) of the posters on here, but I am free to say so, by my authority, and the fact that there is no moderator to say “You can’t talk about that in this forum.”

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Karolyn says: Love this line: “All it took to convince Red Staters to go along with the military/security complex squandering $6 trillion on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were yellow ribbon decals and a slogan, “Support the troops.” That’s all it takes for the over-emotional “average” middle class American.

      I’m not sure if i love that line, Karolyn, but i do agree with the statement. But let me ask you; why aren’t you progs not protesting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, now, during the Obama administration, as in the days of Bush; is it because you wear the decals with the slogan, “Hope and Change”?

      Why aren’t you socialist-hypocrites out there, protesting in the streets, as you did during the Bush administration? I know i know, because we have a socialist-progressive-democrat in the white-house, so therefore, all the wars are legitimate. Ha, you socialist-democrats are no better then the fascist-republicans. In fact, i would say that, in many ways, you people are worse!

      • Karolyn

        My protesting days ended a long time ago. All my protesst these days is done by raising my vibration to a higher level to join with the others of like mind to precipitate change. If more people joined together in harmony, change would come more easily. However, with all the hate and anger, all that negative energy, it is much harder to create positive change. Love has power; hate has force. (Power vs. Force, Dr. David Hawkins)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        What a load of horse-hockey! You left-wing wackos are bunch of hypocrites!

      • Karolyn

        Jay – All thought has energy.

      • DaveH

        You can call what comes from you “vibration”, Karolyn. But I call it useless chatter.

      • SJJolly

        300,000 people marched against going to war with Iraq. Their protest got far less media attention than the 30 people that counter-protested their protest. IOW, “liberal” or “conservative”, the media does what their corporate owners tell them to do.

      • Jeff

        And don’t forget all the attention the 3 morons playing dress-up received as “The New Black Panthers.”

    • Kate8

      Karolyn – Yes, but we’ve at least wised up on our side. We know now that we were being manipulated.

      What’s your side’s excuse for attacking good Americans? Because Odumbo is setting up Tea Partyers as enemies of the state, and training our military to take them out.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osIRQ_HDb7s&feature=player_embedded#!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Kate8, when it comes to war, obama the-war-mounger makes bush look like sissy-boy. In fact, bush should have a seat and take notes from obama. This administration is by far the worse when it comes to appeasing the military-industrial-complex. Good vibrations my azz!

      • Average Joe

        Jay,

        “when it comes to war, obama the-war-mounger makes bush look like sissy-boy.”

        Hmmmm…I see another Nobel Peace prize in the making…lol (Sarcasm)

        I’m guessing that for the soclibs..war mongering is OK …as long as it thier guy doing the mongering.

        For the rest of us…it isn’t Ok for either side…dang, I haven’t even finished typing and I hear a drone hovering overhead…..

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • DaveH

        That’s just Karolyn’s Good Vibrations, Joe.

    • Bonnie Wheeler

      Would you like me to give you a list of the Democrats who urged Clinton and Bush to go to war with Iraq? Bill Clinton made the first strike on Iraq and then Bush and Obama finished what Clinton started – I

      • David E

        Bonnie, You’re wasting your time arguing with these people. They are paid Obama propaganda agents who are trained to do what they do. God Bless, Dave. * * *

      • Jeff

        Dave:

        Are you holding all these checks? For a moron you seem to know a lot.

        Clinton did not start the Iraq war. Bush wanted to go to war in Iraq because he was convinced to do so by the Neocons and to “rehabilitate” Poppy with the far right. No other president, including Reagan, would have been so reckless. We had inspectors on the ground in Iraq who said there were no weapons of mass destruction. They were not just ignored; they were villified by you right-wing lunatics. Remember Hans Blix? You leader Fatbaugh called him Hans Blitzed because he dared to disagree with Cheney. And his young aide was practically labelled a traitor for challenging the Cheney-Rumsfeld Axis of Evil.

        We weren’t all born yesterday.

      • Bonnie Wheeler

        Jeff, Clinton made the first air strike granted it was most likely to divert attention from the hearing that was about to take place in connection with his affair with Lewinsky, nevertheless, He made it and I have the speech he made to the American people in December of that year explaining his decision.

      • Jeff

        You can certainly question the wisdom of Clinton’s air strikes in Iraq, but you simply cannot claim they were the beginning of the Iraq War 41/2 years later. There is a huge difference between air strikes and committing troops to an open-ended occupation of another country, particularly one not already beaten down by years of war (like Germany or Japan after WWII). No, I’m afraid W gets all the credit for the Iraq adventure.

  • Tom Cook

    Paul, all I can say is that you are completely unhinged. Think the landing on the moon was staged in Hollywood? I thought so. Think that the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11 was staged by the Military-Industrial Complex? I thought so. Your column is kinda funny–sort of like and Al Franken comedy routine or something John Stewart thinks is funny.

    • Vigilant

      “Think that the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11 was staged by the Military-Industrial Complex?”

      As a matter of fact, Tom, “Roberts comments on the “scientific impossibility” of the official explanation for the events on 9/11 and says those engineers and physicists who accept this theory are wrong.” (Wikipedia)

      I guess he’s an accomplished engineer and physicist, as well as being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Vigilant,

        You write: “I guess he’s an accomplished engineer and physicist…” I don’t know about PCR, but these folks are: http://www.ae911truth.org/

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Vigilant

        Roberts is as well a hater of Israel. He’s on record as saying, ” Gaza is “the world largest concentration camp” populated by people who were “driven out of Palestine so that Israel could steal their land.” He called the U.S. State Department a “puppet” of the Israelis and the U.S. itself a “puppet state” of the Israelis. He concludes the article by claiming that “there’s no money for California, or for Americans’ health care, or for the several million Americans who have lost their homes and are homeless, because Israel needs it.” (Wikipedia)

        Not only is he rabid in his blind condemnation, he can’t add two and two as I mentioned later on in this thread. (1) The nations surrounding Israel receive more combined aid than does Israel, and (2) he’s apparently an advocate of the welfare state (socialist), since he thinks the government should be bailing out those who lost their homes and the state of California. Guess he supports Obamacare as well. .

      • boyscout

        For years I worked selective demolition. I an not unaware of project screw ups or hap hazard accidents or natural phenomena. No, I am not a trained and accredited physicist. I will never but the publicized line on the twin towers. However, I do clearly see how such a rendition co relates to the Patriot Act and the great Near East oil grabs that followed.

      • boyscout

        typo: never buy

      • Michael J.

        Vigilant,
        As a former Dubya supporter who voted for him twice, no one was more reluctant to believe the inside job theory, re; 9/11.

        It is my belief that Bush may have had prior knowledge, but was not privy to the details of where or when as was evidenced by the thousand yard stare he assumed upon being informed that “America is under attack” and while on camera. No one is that good an actor. I can also state that there are many levels of top secret security clearance above the POTUS that relegates the job to mere mid-level management that sometimes requires patsyism.

    • Jeff

      Can you imagine W coordinating the attack? The planes would have run out of gas and crashed into the ocean. Bill Maher said he could prove Bush had nothing to do with 911 in two words: “It worked.”

      • boyscout

        Mahr is a funny guy who avoids the obvious by assuming that GW was in charge.

      • Jeff

        So, Cheney did it or was it the Secret Cabal that controls all?

      • Michael J.

        Jeff,
        Bill Maher is blinded by that huge beak that Mother Nature saw fit to appoint him with. Talk about Karma!

      • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.coolidge1 Christopher Coolidge

        If enough people vote for ANYBODY but Romney or Obama it sends a much more powerful message than if most of us hold our noses and vote for the slightly lesser of two evils. Imagine if 80% of the American electorate vote for None Of The Above, the remaining 20% are free to vote for either candidate with eyes wide open on the assumption that either Romney or Obama are what they truly want for the next four years. If you think Romney or Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread, vote for them by all means. Keep in mind you’re choosing between (expletive deleted) on a stick and a (expletive deleted) sandwich. One may give you some bread and they’ll try to tell you that’s a good thing, but (expletive deleted) is still (expletive deleted). If somebody put a gun to my back and told me I had to vote for either Romney or Obama I’d probably say shoot me, please. If I got to thinking about my kids growing up without a daddy, I’d probably just pick one randomly.

    • DaveH

      You don’t think Politicians are capable of killing a few thousand people to achieve their desired goals, Tom?
      How about 2400 of their own military personnel?
      This may change your mind (but only if you aren’t afraid to read it):
      http://library.mises.org/books/Percy%20L%20Greaves,%20Jr/Pearl%20Harbor%20The%20Seeds%20and%20Fruits%20of%20Infamy.pdf

  • Michael J.

    Mr. Roberts,
    You appear to possess an in depth understanding of the worlds predicament(some I agree with and some I do not), but fall short of naming the ultimate culprit.

    When we see the end of The Rothschild Dynasty, The world will breath a sigh of relief, but not before. A mere thousand of them and their surrogates versus six billion humans with the internet as ally, has them scurrying towards a final solution that would make Adolf jealous.

    • Karolyn

      According to debunkers, there is no Rothschild Dynasty. Here is one link. This one doesn’t have a lot of info, but there are more to be found. Unfortunately, I cannot find the one I was using months ago. That guy has a complete Rothschild history, debunking the conspiracy theories.
      http://www.icke-exposed.co.uk/united-states/rothschild-myths-debunked-100/

      • Techno Dan

        Your linked page contains a bunch of ranting that does nothing to debunk the Rothschild conspiracy. And when comments are made against the article, the author calls those people stupid and, in one case, attacks supposed mistakes in grammar and sentence struckure without addressing one bit of the substance of the comment. Pathetic.

      • Karolyn

        Here’s another skeptic’s report:
        http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Techno says: And when comments are made against the article, the author calls those people stupid and, in one case, attacks supposed mistakes in grammar and sentence struckure without addressing one bit of the substance of the comment. Pathetic.

        Yup, we get the same types here, Techno. We affectionately refer to them as “socialist-progs”. They despise critical thinking and anyone disagreeing with them. Truly, a deluded bunch!

      • TIME

        Dear Jay,

        Yea, you hit that bloody nail on the head!

        I have spent over 3000 hours digging up intel on them special RED Shield clan, what we have cover here – is not even a NANO amount of what can be found and all of it TRUTH.

        Hey this is a game anyone can play, first look up what the “RED SHIELD” looks like. Hey here’s a clue its the “Rothschilds Family Crest”
        Now take out a US ONE Dollar bill, ok still with me?

        Good here’s just a tad of how much influence they hold over everyones life on this planet. Look at the face of your Dollar bill it must be a paper one. Silver is for later
        Ok still with me?
        Good, look at all four 1′ in each corner. Note you have three with ovals, now look at that odd looking one in the {upper right hand side} Now what do you see there?
        Oh yea baby, its the “”RED SHIELD!”" And who Family crest is
        that again?

        But hey they really are super nice people you know the kind you want to invite over to dinner and a few drinks. Well that is if you like mass murders with blood dripping from their fingers and all that rot.

        Peace and Love to all of you who have seen the ” LIGHT.”
        May God & his SON’s light, bless you and keep you and your familys.
        Be Free My Friends. ;-)

      • Karolyn

        Ditto for many on your “side”, Jay/. Get real.

      • DaveH

        How the Rothschilds and others prosper with Unfree Markets:
        http://mises.org/econsense/ch91.asp

    • Karolyn

      As I said, there are many more skeptics out there should you wish to do some work. Sorry I don’t have the link to the guy in Belgium.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Funny Karolyn, when it comes to man-made-global-warming, i’ve yet to see you, or any of your socialist comrades post links to the contrary. Why is that?

      • Jeff

        Komrade:

        To the contrary of what?

      • Michael J.

        Karolyn,
        So you are saying that The Obama Regime can afford to field an army of schills to post disinformation, but The Rothschild Dynasty can not?

    • Vicki

      The dynasty is quite real and there are thousands of links to stories about them.

      The “conspiracy theory” is what are they doing with their money.
      Here is one thing they are doing with it.
      http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/30/news/companies/rockefeller-rothschild/

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Roberts says, “”Ask [Republicans] why…Wall Street and the military/security complex would put a Marxist in the White House, and they turn purple with rage.”

    Ask a Libertarian or a NWO conspiracy theorist that question and you’ll get the same reaction.

    • Michael J.

      Vigilant says,
      “NWO conspiracy theorist”

      Surely, you jest.

      • Vigilant

        So, are you saying then that “Wall Street and the military/security complex…put a Marxist in the White House?” If you are a NWO conspiracy theorist, you would take issue with Mr. Roberts’ statement. Unless, of course, you believe that EVERYTHING that happens in this world is controlled by the Biderburg Group.

        Not taking a side (yet), just pointing out the obvious and the logical.

      • TIME

        Dear Michael,

        When speaking with the Blind or ones who’s ears are filled with hate, or who’s soul is split in to fragments of rotten decay.
        Expect the responce to be nothing less than that of a Mindless sheep.

        Saddly I say this again: the 41st Ccngress is where the Point of most of our problems today really began.
        As the vast amount of Americans can’t “COMPREHEND” the full “Ramifiucations” of what was done to the American people, they are only a symptom of what’s wrong with out nation. Its just sick beyond repair.

        The question is this – if one falls and breaks their knee, would applying a cold compress to your head be of any benifit?

        The answer to anyone who can still use their GRAY matter is; NO.

        Yet – To some it will be – {perhaps if it’s done right.}

        To others it will be {yes indeed that works just fine.}

        Then we also have the {I don’t know, what are them things again?}

        And that’s in fact whats broken in our nation, we have FOSTERED STUPIDITY for so long that its now just common place.

        As well we have also fostered total ignorance of what has become a staple diet for the vast amounts of sheep who are still eating the rancid grass in the field.
        Thus they just don’t care as long as that rancid grass is still there.

        Its a simple case of; Divide / Divide & Divide again & again unitil you get the soup just right, then you can CONQUER.

        Saddly we the few, the less than 10% who are really awake and have not only broken the CODE, but also looked in to that box of rancid road apples are vastly out numbered by the PURE IDIOTS / worthless eaters.

        Peace and Love

      • Michael J.

        Vigilant,
        To nutshell The Earth’s problems, I say that all roads lead to The Rothschild Dynasty. A distinction inherited from The Romans.

      • DaveH

        It really doesn’t matter if it’s the Rothchilds, the Rockefellers, the Morgans, or some other super-rich that are pulling the strings. What matters is that it has been shown time and again that Big Government just doesn’t work for anybody but a select few. We need to shrink it dramatically and get this country back to the Freedom and Prosperity that come from Limited Government.
        For Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, Free Markets, Limited Government, and the PEACE that accompanies them — Vote Libertarian!
        http://libertarianparty.org/

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So both groups are using people as cat’s-paws for their own agenda.

      • my 2¢ worth

        There is no “Both Groups”.. Only on paper. WE are the groups and we’re all mad as hell.

    • junkmail

      after reading the columns and posts I have come to the conclusion that this is is home of the never to be satisfied unless the majority kneels down and gets stupped by them.
      The country can be put back on the path of recovery and with 30 years of hard work be what it was meant to be.
      I read petty sniveling comments here by people who will destroy the country rather than not have the republican party kiss their ass. Wa Wa I will not vote for Romney.

      OK all you college grads and moonshine drinkers. you get this ONE CHANCE. It is here, right now. If you do anything other than vote for Romney, Obama gets elected.
      Is this perfectly clear?????????? This is not some theory it is fact. Cut the crap and man up. If you do not vote for Romney please tattoo the fact on you, your wife, your children your house, your car, and your business. This way we know who helped to destroy America by helping elect Obama

      • http://none Charlie

        Heathen,,, IF,,,this Romhead is our last chance ,,,then America is on the way to Hell in a Chinese hand basket,,, The King of America has different Plans called out in His Law Book.
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38…

      • Jeff

        Junk:

        When attempting to lead, it is sometimes wise to turn around and make sure someone is following. Who left the country heading off a cliff? Was that Obama or your guy, W? How many times would you have voted for the little moron anyway? Still see a lot of W ’04 signs around? How many people will admit they voted for him or for Nixon (or bought an Edsel)?

      • bonniewheeler

        I voted for George W. Bush – I would do so again. Former President Bush was not a thin skinned egotist. . He was no coward – He was proud of America and never hisitated to salute the flag or quit wearing a patriotic symbol for fear of “offending” unlike the current president who made one of the most stupid statments by an American, much less a President, t that I have ever heard in the history of this nation. He has always had a vendetta against America. On the other hand former President Bush did what he thought was best for America, Some of you guys, who are always criticizing Fox, never mention how CBS tried to bring him down with forged documents. I would suggest when you are working so hard to try to find a fault with FN just go back a few years and let’s talk about the forged documents by CBS. . Jeff, I agree we can once again be the great nation we once were but its definitley after we get rid of the present leader because he has never thought of America as a great nation. He has alway had vendetta against America and found fault.

      • Jeff

        W was a disaster as president. If you can’t see that, you are simply blind. Why do you think even the Republicans will barely mention his name? They do, however, want to repeat his policies – tax cuts, for the wealthy, deregulation, defense spending increases – all in the name of fiscal responsibility while exploding the deficit and enriching the already wealthy. It’s what Republicans do. Like the old Green Bay Packers. They ran over left tackle. It was what they did. If you think Romney will be different from GW Moron, you are sadly mistaken.

      • http://www.facebook.com/robert77581 Robert Allen

        Jeff, you may be right in some areas , but the fact is Romney is at least proud to be an American and no matter what shape our country is in, it is 100% better to live in that anyother . I’m voting for Romney the same reason I voted for Bush, because I believe the mistakes he made were not intended to collapse the system as we know it, and that is the stated goal of the current ‘occupier’ of the White House. I wil vote for Romney/Ryan for that reason and the fact that Mr. Romney at least knows what’s it like to actually run a private enerprise and I , for one, am not jealous or envious of someone who basically earned their wealth on their own, not like Clinton and Obama, who have become millionaires as ‘public servants’…That’s all they know…Do I agree with all the ideas; no’, but they sure come closer to my personal convictions than some person who would love to see America become another 3rd world country, where all the power resides in government and unions and not enterprenuers and small business owners…

      • Jeff

        What does running a private business purely for profit have to do with running a government? When one of Romney’s companies underperformed, he sold off the pieces, even if it meant putting people out of work. That may be a legitimate way to earn profits for investors, but it has NOTHING to do with providing for the welfare of citizens. Romney will take good care of people like him and will not even consider the needs of people who actually need help from the government to reach the middle class. Romney will be a W-like disaster as president and Ryan is a complete fraud.

        Ryan reminds me of Nixon. He’s smart enough to know that what he’s saying is bunk. On February 14, 2002, Ryan addressed the House in favor of exactly the kind of economic stimulus he now decries as wasteful, socialist, post-Keynesian, etc. It was a full-throated defense of everything he now calls socialist: unemployment benefits, health care, younameit. The difference? A Republican was president then.

      • bonniewheeler

        Bush must have done something right. Look at the unemployment under Bush and look at it now. He cut taxes on everyone, even me. Taxes under Clinton brought me to tears I just didn’t have the money. After Bush came to office I never had to pay again. Your statement that he only helped the wealthy is either a lie or you have been horribly misinformed. He also cut taxes on the wealthy which he should have done. They pay more than their share already. . Obama policy of raising taxes has discouraged business and growth.
        Who wants to get punished because they succeeed and, on the other hand, who is going to try to succeed when they are already living just as well as those who do. Obama is the welfare king. Clinton required welfare recipients to work – then comes Obama and defines lying in bed all day as work. If you don’t believe me, look it up – I didn’t believe it either when I first heard it.

      • Jeff

        Where was the stock market when W finally left office? Where is it today? Does that have no bearing on business confidence?

      • Farleyagain

        The ultra wealthy already pay a low rate on their income. That’s what they pay law writers for, but the top 10% of income earners pay 70% of all income taxes, so why worry? Still, my favorite sign from all the demonstrations in the past four years was, “Why pay taxes when they can just print money?”

    • SJJolly

      In Conservative-think, a Marxist is anyone who doesn’t have their lips firmly pressed against Wall Street banker backsides. By which defination, Obama is NOT a Marxist.

      • tesmith47

        100% right, the anti Obma folks call Obama a marxist,muslim atheist?
        which means they dont know anything , they are just calling him “bad” names

      • bonniewheeler

        Are you saying that he dropped his Marxist views when he became President?

      • Jeff

        Could you define his Marxist views? You do know we’re not talking about Groucho?

      • bonniewheeler

        I can give you information on Karl Marx. he believed in immorality and same-sex marriages (does this ring a bell?) And as his family nearly starved and and as his long-suffering wife neared the breaking point, Marx began an affair with the family’s young nursemaid. He impregnated her and when the child was born, Marx refused to acknowledge its existence and his paternity. Marx’s disciples, of course, happily followed in his footsteps. Marxism is another word for extreme immorality. Anyone who would think of condoning such as this should not be allowed to even be a citizen in this great country, whose vfoundation was based on Godly beliefs

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