Edgar Cayce knew some tricks. Whoopee.

Chris -
Edgar Crayzee was adept in spirit “things”, all right. Crayzee ‘dept in something early in his career and carried it around on his shoes everywhere he went after that. Whatever spirit he had at work on him wouldn’t let him do it under his own power of mind and learning – which is disturbing. That is not how the spirit of God functions anywhere I can see in scripture… which is how you know if what you see, read or get involved in is true or bogus. God says how He wants things done and follows His own guidelines to keep His people safe, on a solid base and under protection in an area of life that has been awfully muddied by evil actors – like Cayce”, possessos..

HH,,,any modern day Preacher or modern day Prophet can point at The Law and speak “Judgment” from The Book of King Jesus Christ, it is His Law Book,,,BUT,,,any Preacher or Prophet has to have his “Gift” from accomplishing Acts 2:38, with Acts 2:38 comes “Salvation” and The Gift of The Holy Spirit…
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

To those who do not like my comment about blood money and chickens, I will just say that I have to live by what I feel is right in my heart, no matter what the bible or anyone else does and says…….I wonder how many people would eat animals if they had to kill them
because they were not so neatly packaged as steaks and nuggets. Animals are feeling and intelligent creatures in their own right and deserve a life of peace, just like man. In this current world, where many people have other things to eat……….and way more items than in biblical days, I don’t feel it’s right to take the life of another creature because LIFE is “precious” no matter to WHICH creature it belongs. AGAIN, the bible, God, etc., is all a “belief”………..and yes, I DO believe in God.

Chris, I’ve killed many critters for food! Deer, rabbit, squirrel, dove, quail, turtles, fish etc….. What you tree huggers don’t understand is that those animals DO NOT have a soul, ONLY humans have souls. Those animals were put here for our nourishment so get over it!

Says Nadzieja, the Bible scholar.

Go reread your Bible again because you are the one who believes Replacement Theology. With this you are working hand and glove with the terrorists who want to destroy the nation of Israel.
If there is no land of Israel or a people called the Jews then God of heaven will not have a reason to come down and create a kingdom over which he will rule out of Jerusalem and over all the nations of the world.

Dear Nadzieja Batki,

You write: “Go reread your Bible again because you are the one who believes Replacement Theology.” I suggest you go reread your Bible.

Matthew 16:28
Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” (ESV)

Mark 9:1
And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”

Luke 9:27
But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

The Kingdom was established on the Day of Pentecost as described in Acts 2. God needed no physical land to establish his spiritual kingdom.

Best wishes,
Bob

Nadzieja, I HAVE read the bible AND I understand the bible. Please take the time to read and cross reference what I have written below, it’s what the Bible says not what I say. You can’t think as flesh you must think as spirit.

Christ said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.” John 18:36

“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up”. 2 Peter 3:10
If you will go and read the first 9 verses of 2 Peter 3 you will see that he was speaking of the second coming, which IS the day of the Lord, and what will happen to the earth and it’s works on that day? Where will Christ have to rule? Remember His kingdom IS NOT OF THIS WORLD!

You said, “With this you are working hand and glove with the terrorists who want to destroy the nation of Israel”.

No, I don’t want to destroy the nation of Israel they’ve pretty much done that themselves by rejecting Christ. I would like to see the nation of Israel repent and accept Jesus as their savior ALONG with the terrorist.

Then you said, “If there is no land of Israel or a people called the Jews then God of heaven will not have a reason to come down and create a kingdom over which he will rule out of Jerusalem and over all the nations of the world”.

You don’t believe God can preserve his people? He CAN, and his people of today are born again Christians NOT the Christ rejecting nation of Israel.

Once again Christ said that His kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD! This is what the Jews of his day AND today do not understand. They were looking for an earthly king just as today, most denominations are teaching this error. His kingdom is here NOW, it WAS established on the day of Pentecost, it is a SPIRITUAL kingdom. It was NEVER meant to be an earthly kingdom. God IS a spirit and they that worship him MUST worship him in spirit AND truth!

“Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Matthew 16:28

Notice that there were some standing there on that day who would NOT taste death until when? Are those people still alive today? Now read Acts chapter 2.

Jesus ascended back to Heaven, before that he told his disciples, “In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. John 14:2-3

Please, forget what your rabbi or priest told you, open the Bible AND your mind. Pray for understanding, seek and ye shall find…… THE TRUTH!!!

This is NOT what I say, it’s what the Bible says!

And before you refer to the book of Revelation carefully read the first 2 chapters, it CLEARLY states that it was written TO the seven churches in Asia about things which must SHORTLY COME TO PASS. It is NOT a message for us 2,000 years later. The ONLY message that applies to us is the gospel of Christ; believe in him, repent, be baptized and live a Christian life.

HH, you know some “stuff” about The Bible , good for you … BTW the New JerUSAlem is called out at 2 Samuel 7:10…
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and healing…

there are NO suspected cases or confirmed cases of voter fraud….every time I see a story about voter fraud, it is being done by republicans…..and what if you dont drive, what they ought to do is give EVERYONE a free ID…..poor people cant afford to get IDs, people on welfare, or retirement benefits now can have direct deposit so they dont need an ID to cash a check they dont get anymore and just withdraw money from an ATM…..I have heard that they are allowing people in republican leaning counties in OHIO to vote early and vote often, but democratic leaning counties are NOT being allowed to vote early, because every county has 4 board members, 2 rep and 2 dems, the dems agree that early voting is good so they are going along with republicans, in the democratic leaning counties, the republicans are voting against it and then their republican secretary of state gets to do the tie breaker and votes no, so you have republican leaning counties allowed to vote early and democratic leaning counties NOT allowed to vote early….THERE……………….RIGHT there, is your voter fraud

you had 4 years now to investigate these “DEAD” people voting, then why havent they proved it……it shouldnt be very hard to prove that a person who voted in the presidential election was dead prior to casting their vote….if it is SOOOOOO widespread why is there not ONE confirmed case…………….anywhere?

How would you know if there’s fraud or not when you don’t know who’s casting the vote?

Johnny says — “there are NO suspected cases or confirmed cases of voter fraud”.
Never use absolutes, Johnny.
Here is just one case I found with little effort:
http://www.fox19.com/story/16937227/reality-check-was-there-voter-fraud-in-maine

Here’s more:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/6/how-voter-fraud-continues/

DaveH….enlighten us. how many actual instances of voter fraud have there been the past 10 years? you know the answer…it comes out to 0.7 per state (source is the recent testimony by GOP officials in the Pa voting rights case).

Fraud is mostly where it’s easiest to commit and gain to be made … by election officials. Now f you look up how many instances voting illegalities were committed by election officials, take a gander at the ratios involving ones affiliated with tipping the scales to the GOP. it’s easy data to look up…I wonder if you will.

Flashman says — “it comes out to 0.7 per state (source is the recent testimony by GOP officials in the Pa voting rights case)”.
You’re kidding, right Flashman?

DaveH…nope. fraud committed by the voter his/her self in casting ballots. I’m serious. Almost every instance of election fraud is committed by the tier above the voter..the election officials stuffing ballot boxes, votes missing, dead or ineligible voters.

As to people who walk into the booth and commit fraud? I’m serious about that number.

Then post a link, Flashman. Back yourself up once in a while. I, for one, don’t believe anything you say without verification.

Here’s another one, Johnny:
http://sharronangle.com/not-my-watch?roi=echo3-12792751603-9375710-e1c7358acd7022f08ba2cb4e9df28ca0&

sop hilly jimmy, Sodom and Gomorrah is at Genesis 19 , note spelling of Gomorrah, yeah I know , the guys goofed on writing The Bible, ha ha ha…
BTW you will end up at Matthew 7:22-23 , IF, you have NOT got Acts 2:38 accomplished.
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

The only way to do that is to vote for those that are not afraid to do what their constituents demand of them, they work for us and we dictate to them what we want and when they go rogue on us they get voted out, it is that simple, our forefathers didn’t make it hard for us to do, but we lost our way by letting government do what they want and not what We The People voted them in for.
Obama being elected was quirk, only a few of us read his books and read between the lines, the rest listened to his Hope and Change BS, now we all have to deal with it at least until January 20, 2013 and if those that blindly voted for him didn’t learn a valuable lesson then shame on you.

but it is okay for “big government” to be monitoring pregnancies and for them to dictate what women can and cant do with their bodies right???? THIS is why republicans are such hypcrites…..not ALL Republicans, but it is okay for goivernment to be involved when it is an issue you want the government involved in and when it isnt, then there is a problem with BIG GOVERNMENT……what a great sound byte though…..

Did I say anything about Abortion, Johnny?

wouldnt that be considered BIG GOVERNMENT that you SOOO demagogue…..BIG GOVT this and that, but when republicans make government bigger all I hear are crickets from YOUR side…..it is always govt is too big and we need to cut when a democrat is in office

What does that have to do with anything I said, Johnny?

DaveH, just tell Johnny reb he has a non sequitur mentality and Obama is in violation of
Deuteronomy 17:15…
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38

Republican Leaders have certainly been complicit in taking our country down the road to Serfdom. But worse than Obama? I guess we should start, Johnny, by you getting a little more specific about what the Republican Leaders do worse than Obama.

that was ISRAEL’s post and HIS words, I want HIM to tell me what Obama has done that is so dangerous to our country because I just dont see it……for one thing, republicans have voted against EVERY single bill that would create jobs, the transportation bill that would create jobs fixing our infrastructure has been blocked by the filibuster in the senate….I can tell you why it APPEARS that Obama is failing…..just go and research the record number of filibusters in the senate and then you will have your answer…..fiuxing highwats and bridges is NOT RADICAL…..putting teachers and policemen and firefighters back to work is not radical either….but repiublicans make it out to be and want to blame obama for high unemployment

Johnny, there are whole books written about what Obama is doing and intends to do in order to destroy this country. How fast can you read? You will have to uncross your arms first.

Johnny says — “republicans have voted against EVERY single bill that would create jobs”.
Government doesn’t create productive jobs, Johnny. If Politicians knew how to create productive jobs, they wouldn’t need to tax the rest of us to pay for their lifestyles, now would they?
But they do take money from the Private Sector which does create productive jobs. If Governments were good at creating jobs, there would be great economies in the most Socialist countries. But there aren’t.
Perhaps you could read this book and learn something:
http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

what Israel said can apply to both republicans AND democrats……our country was doing fine when clinton was in office and not so well when BUSH was in office, and bush proceeded to hand to Obama a US that is nowhere NEAR what BUSH was handed when HE became president…….now you can say all you want about how this is obama’s policies blah blah blah, but they arent…..stimulus is NOT an Obama policy, it is what most economists said what was needed to get the economy kick-started and you can see that jobs started being created after the stimulus went into effect even though republicans cried about it, they CRY about everything he does….ALL of them…they scare you into thinking he is foreign or not one of us, but you know what, I dont see what they are talking about

Well said and to the point Ted.

Almost right, TED C., but too nebulous and sweeping.
What we did is abdicate the authority to our Legislative Branch Representatives (both House and Senate). Then, they in turn in order to keep their positions and self-esteem but reduce their work load turned their responsibilites nd functions over to the ExecutiveBranch which set up hundreds of various departments and committees to handle their newly gained powers and (unConstitutional) authorities.
Attempts at wresting it back from the Executive Drones will surely alert and infuriate the whole nest of Africanized bees to action. Problem is these bee-ureaucraps aren’t subject to voting pressure – they’ve got unions, U-U-N-N-I-O-N-N-SSsss!!! Contracts, Judicial protections and TENURE….A-A-GH-h-ah, no-o-o-o
This is not like an irresistable force meeting an immoveable object. .. IT’s a u-u-n-ni-o-n. It’s a living, giant lugey. It slithers, it slides, It gives way, it engulphs from the right, the left, behind, below, above. Its Bill Murray and his intrepid band getting slimed, phlegmed, lu-hu-hu-gie-heed. NOT THAT?
yes…t..h..a..t-t-t,,,oh no. yup
Try to fight and you don’t get resistance … you get phlegmed.

And the alternative is what? Obama Lite?
I’ve been hearing the “lesser of two evils” theory for 40 years now. And for 40 years I’ve seen our country become less and less Free, with more and more of our money going to pay for those who are stealing our Freedom.
If you want to travel to a location due North of you, Arthur, how long do you suppose it will take you to get there by traveling West?
When we vote for Establishment Politicians (Crony Politicians), we are rubber stamping their bad behavior (that of promoting their own self interests and those of their politically-connected Cronies). In 4 more crucial years of loss of Freedom, the PTBs will just put up another of the lesser of two evils for election. And foolish people will once again vote for the “lesser of two evils”, thinking somehow that will ever lead us to Freedom.
There is only one real solution. We need to wake up and QUIT rubber-stamping the candidates that the Establishment puts before us. Until we start doing that in mass, our country will continue to head South.
Vote Libertarian, the only truly Principled political party in the fray. The more we vote for Principled Politicians, the more uninformed people will wake up and join the cause.
http://libertarianparty.org/platform

Then you will get Obama-lite and our Freedom will continue to erode.

I like Ron Paul but he has absolutely no chance of winning the election. Any vote for Paul is a vote wasted. Those wasted votes may insure Obama’s victory.

Voting for Principle, Ken, is never a wasted vote.
The wasted votes are those spent rubber-stamping a candidate who doesn’t really represent you.

Ken, IF everyone who made the statement you just made would go ahead and wright Ron Paul in HE WOULD WIN!

David, one more thing, Rand Paul endorsed Romney for president over his father and I am sure he wanted to see his father run as a Republican but it didn’t happen so if Dr. Paul’s son endorsed Romney, and if you don’t vote for Romney then I say your are an undercover sugar teet liberal.

Actually, Jimmy, Ron draws about evenly from disaffected Democrats and disaffected Republicans.
http://factreal.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/ron-paul-got-more-votes-from-democrats-and-liberals/

sophillyjimmy,

You write:

“Rand Paul endorsed Romney for president over his father and I am sure he wanted to see his father run as a Republican but it didn’t happen so if Dr. Paul’s son endorsed Romney, and if you don’t vote for Romney then I say your are an undercover sugar teet liberal”.

Do you actually do any fact checking before shooting yourself in the foot?

Rand Paul has stated that he will support the Republican nominee. Now, using common sense and a bit of knowledge of the nominating process, you would know…that the nominating process happens at the convention…which will be held later this month in Tampa Florida. IN other words…he will support the nominee..once there actually is a nominee ( which there isn’t yet). Rand Paul has consitently stated that he fully supports his father ( as he has done all of his life) first and foremost, however, if Romney does win nomination…he will support Romney as a show of solidarity within the Republican Party.

Stop spereading half truths and misinformation…you do diservice to the people searching for truth.

Ron Paul 2012! In it to win it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIAVKUqeuQw&feature=relmfu

Best Wishes,
AJ

Since Christ was Jewish and Judaism condemns aberrant behaviour, the movie producers do a blanket hate for both Judaism and Christianity.

Arthur – That is truly disgusting. I dislike Home Depot, anyway… and now I’ll never set foot in one for any reason. Same with Target.

The PTB are really pushing this gay thing on our youth. The impact movies like this have on them cannot be understated. They glom on to anything that seems cool and hip, even when it conflicts with their upbringing, for many reasons. But I know so many people who just want to appear ever-so open-minded and tolerant, so they lash out on anyone who “clings” to traditional morality. Immorality really craves approval so they can feel okay about being immoral… Nothing worse than feeling shunned for your actions.

Plus, it gives free reign to be as immoral as you want, with no apparent consequences. Since the elite are all sexual deviants and perverts (and that’s their good side), they want to indoctrinate the rest of us into embracing their (lack of) values.

There will always be, however, a small number of us who will choose to follow the plan laid out by our Loving Creator in order that we might have peace in our hearts and a light on our paths.

“And He looked out and saw that all flesh was corrupted.” “There was none righteous; no, not one.” “As it was in the days of Noah.”

nc, I don’t read the bible and make the words to fit my beliefs, I read the bible many years ago and I also read the Q’uran and either was written by Jesus, they were written by flawed and corruptable men. What I believe is in God, and the teachings of his mortal son on earth Jesus and Jesus is not only in churches which are just like the temples that Jesus tore apart since the rabbi’s were making a mockery of God by making money in the temples. I also was told by the Monsignor of my church that my church is a business and I am naive if I think otherwise and he said that because I wanted my daughter to go to a parochial school since the public schools in Philadelphia were dangerous even back then so he told me that ai don’t give envelopes to the church and I told him my wife goes to mass every Sunday and I told her to give cash in the basket that was passed around so I know it will be going to God and not to the church, and when I told him that, he told me since I feel that way to get God to put my daughter in the school, needless to say I did go over the desk after him and told him to get God to get my hand off of his throat, and a miracle occurred, I wan’t going to kill him just put him to sleep, but the miracle was the next day while I was in work, my wife called me and told me that my daughter was admitted into the parish school, so the Trinity is in my heart and I am a good man, and I do believe that good always conquers evil but sometimes good has to be very good to win, and I am very good even now that I am an older man, I will fight anybody, I am not saying I will win but I will make sure that whoever I have to fight will know he was in a fight and he will remember the pain I inflicted on him, and if it comes down to having to use a weapon, I am better then I have ever been with what I use, and I use it for good only.

Go back and read it again sophillyjimmy, Jesus doesn’t abide in temples (buildings) made with hands, he abides in the hearts of his followers. The body and heart of the Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit now. 1 Cor. 6:19-20

So why are you advocating that the STATE (the government) interfere with what is not a STATE function?
You are all for separation of Church and State.

Funny. A Progressive railing against Progress.

You are right Dave and I use the local small hardware stores all the time and if I need tools I will only buy Craftsman or Snap On wsince they are still American made and they last forever. Same thing when I buy auto parts since I still restore classic Ford’s for race and show, I buy from only the local parts store that sell American made parts and not the Pakistan junk that many stores are selling for parts.

Sophillyjimmy, In an earlier post you were trashing the ACLU for protecting only “speech” they want to hear! Do you really think the ACLU “agrees” with what Sean Hannity preaches? They came to his aid when THEY felt his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to “free speech” was being violated even when he was using it to trash Gays? Did you know that?
Do you think the ACLU is a fan of Rush Limbaugh?? They also came to his aid to protect his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to privacy!! Did you know that?? Do you think the ACLU is poltitically atuned to the rants of Ollie North who admitted to intentionally violating acts of Congress?? They came to his defense to protect his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to a fair ttrial! Did you know that? Did you know that they have appeared in court actions to protect the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS of others on the RIGHT??
Obviously you don’t know a great deal about WHOM the ACLU has represented and will represent! You don’t seem to know very much about communism either!

“The gay’s aren’t harming us “physically” in any way”? Dave I agree with a lot of the things you write here but with the gay agenda, it may not be “physical” but why do they persist that we recognize them as they continue to push their gay agenda off on the majority of the country who doesn’t want it taught to our children in public schools or displayed in our streets? They are but a small minority but they continue to push it on us, we don’t want it!

HH,
You’re mixing apples and oranges. I did NOT say Gays should be free to force their agendas on unwilling participants in Public Schools or through the heavy hand of Big Government. My answer to that, though, would be to eliminate Public Schools. Let parents send kids to the Private Schools of their choice.
There are a lot of things that disgust me, but I would never dream of forcing my way on others using Big Government as my Bully Boys.
Government has no business in either giving Gays special protections, or in depriving them of Freedom. If you, and others like you, persist in taking away the Freedom of Gays and others who mentally offend you, then how can you complain when they do the same to you and me?
Government needs to butt out of the Marriage business. Marriage should be a voluntary contract between two people, performed by willing ministers or other witnesses.
We all need to get our Freedom compasses reset, and work together to roll back Big Government.

Your right Dave, I just needed to put on a different pair of glasses. I didn’t quite understand your point of view until I read it again, with comprehension. Apologies offered.

I am surprised that we don’t have a Society For The Protection of Thieves And Robbers. They must also make a living.
A Society For The Protection Of Liars And Obfuscators.
The Society For The Protection Of The Obdurate.
Etc., Etc., Etc..
All petitioning the government to give them legal status.

No apology necessary, but thank you HH.

Nadzieja Batki – “…we should have an association for…”
Well of course we do, my dear. It’s called the 9th Circuit Court out west and any other courts where liberal judges sit to bring hope and change to Ameriika-aa-ah…ha!

nc, MAPP is not saying that it has gotten that bad YET in our country since our dictator and chief needs four more years to complete his mission but if he does by some miracle get re elected what you just said to MAPP will become a reality and the only people that could stop it is We The People that believe in the Constitution and I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment and will fight the enemies of my country foreign or domestic, if your messiah in the White House wants to be a tyrant then he is an enemy of America and whoever he sends out to fight us who love our freedom and our Democracy we will fight back with everything we have to fight with, so you want to mock what MAPP is saying with your dead people in the streets rhetoric but the possiblity is stareing us all in the face and either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem and if you are a part of the problem then you should hope you live someplace where the people don’t think the way many of us making comments in here live or you may become a statistic if you want to take our freedoms from us. This is in no way a threat, it is a promise.

People just like yourself, NC, enabled the atrocities committed by Stalin and Hitler. People whose heads are so far up that they can’t grasp the simplest realities. Evil people don’t announce their true intentions. Not Now, Not Ever.

nc, have you EVER had a rational thought in you head? If you have it sure hasn’t come out here!

Dear DaveH,

“Evil people don’t announce their true intentions. Not Now, Not Ever.” Really? Have you ever read Mein Kampf? Das Kapital? The speeches given early on by Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao about how they would crush their enemies, shut down the press and opposition parties, invade their neighbors, etc to expand their power? All these evil doers laid out very clearly exactly what they were going to do to their chosen enemies. On most occasions they did it before huge, cheering crowds. They didn’t hide anything. And they all acted with rapid speed – not gradually as so many poster on this site erroneously claim over and over again. One month after acheiving power, following the Reichtag Fire, Hitler ended all German civil liberties. Lenin moved with ruthless speed to impose his horrific regime also, as did Mao. No evil political leaders are quite proud of their programs. Listen to some KKK speeches. None of the Grand Dragons ever held anything back about what they wanted to do to Blacks, Jews, and Catholics.

Did Americans know what FDRs true intentions were, mark?
http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/While%20You%20Slept.pdf

More from John T. Flynn about FDR:
http://library.mises.org/books/John%20T%20Flynn/The%20Roosevelt%20Myth.pdf

And, mark, if they did issue their intentions (I wouldn’t just take your word for it), it was to receptive ears, obviously, or they wouldn’t have been elected.

Map. it is you that is Pi$$ing and moaning about the state of conditions in the USA so why don’t you move to a country that offers you a better way of life!i have studied the globe and I don’t find a country that I like better or that I feel woul have EVER offered me a greater opportunity to live in freedom! DO YOU KNOW OF ONE?? This is my Utopia! Not perfect but way the HE!! in front of the country that is in second place!

You problem is that you have chosen a philosophy of government that your fellow Americans don’t think is necessary to govern a modern nation in a modern world!!! So all you can do is stand on the side and throw rocks at the train!

DaveH says:

August 10, 2012 at 8:17 am

MAP says — “And they prove, over and over again, that atheists are, indeed, pure, absolute evil”.
Okay MAP, you got on my bad side now. I’m atheist, and I would bet without hesitation that I follow a moral code (Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not kill), much more closely than the vast majority of you “believers”.
For instance, how many “believers” think that theft is okay as long as they vote for Government to carry it out? How many “believers” think killing is okay as long as they vote for Government to carry it out?
You want Liberals/Progressives to leave you alone. So how about practicing what you preach and leave people alone who aren’t trespassing on your body or property?

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DaveH, I have a much clearer understanding of “you,” and some of the “why” as to your consistent unfounded and incorrect litmus testing of other conservatives that comment on this site. You have issues between conservative believers and those like yourself that are not. I can understand the sentiment on your angst with many “so called” believers. I do too, “greatly.” This coming from a believer. So I feel for you man, when the issue comes up that may involve believers such as myself and others attempting to live the gospel, or those others that are mere charlatans. The scriptures clearly state that many will claim dicipleship, but few will actually be. I don’t claim the insight or the know-it-all to accurately pick out those from within the group that would fall in one group or the other. But I do observe and follow those that appear inconsistent more closely.

However, its your duty, as it is mine and all other mature adults, to decipher both the physical and social enviroment that we are a part of, which includes the deciphering of chatter from other humans. Understanding others is just a means to protect oneself and their circle of family and friends from a full range of harm. So yes, you and I should interpret the actions and statements of those we share this world with.

But along with this self protective mechanism to observe others, is the principaled self probing of ourself. Self confidence is a good and desireable trait, but an undue self-admiration and egotism by which others are marginalized when they failed to fall lock-step in the same narrow beliefs is dangerous. This type of leader, usually results in a group of followers, that few within the group are willing to challenge even minuscules points of an issue with the leader. Mostly in fear of being called out, ridiculed or ostracized. For this type of tyrannical leader as a rule does not accept any questions or dissents as to their singular belief .

DaveH, I will grant that you are the leader of this comment site. Not my leader, nor many of its readers. But by concensus of many of those that follow this site on a regular basis. One only needs to read the comments, and follow along with the “followers” comments to understand.

Which is such a shame. Because I agree with most of your positions. Contrary to what you have stated, I’m a very strong conservative, and don’t need your accrediatation and acceptance. I also refuse to check my personal freedom in the hat/coat freedom closet to participate.

Shane says — “DaveH, I will grant that you are the leader of this comment site. Not my leader, nor many of its readers. But by concensus of many of those that follow this site on a regular basis”.
Neither one of us knows what the “concensus” is. And it matters little to me. I have no interest in Leading anybody in any respect expect expanding their knowledge of economics, politics, and Freedom.

Shane says — “I’m a very strong conservative”.
You’ve already established that you are a Progressive, so who do you think you’re kidding, Shane?:
http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/07/disinformation-how-it-works/#comment-667617

Anybody who knows what a Progressive is, and follows the above thread, can see that.

Why to you respond to nc with all these hateful and degrading insults? Why not respond to the point he his making that all these paranoid fantasies of Obama establishing a communist/nazi dictatorship here in America are a complete and laughable joke? That is what nc is saying. We still have our right to free speech, to vote, practice religion, assemble and protest, receive jury trials, organize opposition parties against the current administration.

If we lived under a Hitler or Stalin type of government, this website would not exist, every synagogue and most churches would be closed down, the 2010 and 2012 elections would have been cancelled, the Conservative and Libertarian parties would be outlawed, and people who spoke out against Obama would all be put in their millions into concentration camps. None of this has happened and none of this will ever happen. I think this is the point nc was satirically making. Why not respond to this instead of spewing insults. Perhaps because nc has exposed the ridiculous nature of your exaggerated fears.

I am merely giving NC back what he has dished out, Mark. If you Progressives can’t take it, then don’t issue it.
And I do answer NC with logic, facts, and references often. You know that well being one of our Internet Trolls who is here often with his nonsense.

mark says — “We still have our right to free speech, to vote, practice religion, assemble and protest, receive jury trials, organize opposition parties against the current administration”.
Can your statements get any more inane, mark?
Of course those things exist before a tyrant takes complete control, just as you might be fat and happy right before the 16 wheeler rolls over your car. Some of us are just smart enough to work to prevent the problem before it fully manifests itself.
You are another one, mark, who has been here plenty long enough to have learned something, but you show no signs whatever of that, so I can only come to the conclusion that you are one of the many Internet Trolls who hangs out at this site trying to misinform good people. Fortunately the average reader (by my observation) isn’t buying what you are selling.

mark –
The “regular” people of Cuba thought it could never happen in such a free and carefree island paradise. The Argentinians thought no such thing as Chavez represents (one of Obama’s close friends) could ever happen there.
Who would ever want to control out of the way places like Bhutan, Nepal, Laos, Mongolia? N. Korea, what could be of value there, Tajikistan? Various African nations – Zimbabwe? Pretty clearly, something aside from the material “wealth of nations” or population size is more important to someone or something…and the goal isn’t traditional empire building.
What sorts of values and tenets rule in the collapsing European region – even with all their “Western” histories and trappings?

So…what do you suppose it is? What makes almost all the national leaders all over the globe move in such single minded accord in this one direction – at the same time?

Hugo Chavez happened to Venezuela, Mike, but Argentina is indeed a very good example of what happens to countries when they let the Progressives take over.
At the beginning of the 20th century, Argentina was in the top ten economies of the World. Then the Progressives took over. After a hundred years of Big Government they now are ranked about 37th in the world, and it is nothing but one economic calamity after another there:
http://mises.org/daily/901/Argentina-on-the-Brink

Argentina: A Case Study in How An Economy Collapses:
http://lewrockwell.com/orig12/martenson8.1.1.html

You’r right, DaveH. Thanks for the correction. These dolts sometimes make me so irritated I lose track of things. It shouldn’t happen so. I know they’re (the prog-frog trolls) all pitiful mutant things walking around in people suits.

I know the feeling, Mike. But that’s what they want — to throw us off center. Don’t let them.

DaveH,as a conservative without party, I believe that support should come from wherever we can find it. Therefore, conservatives and libertarians make a fine fit along certain lines. We share many common views. It’s when Libertarians turn to morals that I jump ship. Perhaps you are an exception to the rule that I set above, but, if you are, you are only an exception. The most brutal and evil governments in the history of the world have all been atheistic (and leftist). It was atheists that operated the guillotines in the French Revolution, the death camps of the Nazi, USSR and Red China. No, you will not convince me to change my stance. I stand behind what I said.

Hitler was Catholic. Stalin was a seminarian in the Orthodox church. If you consider history at all, all the wars, all the atrocities, all the murders, all the rapes, all the thefts, were due to religion. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools. That didn’t stop me from realizing what Catholicism has done to the world to create this negative society.

Religion has been the driving force of wars (and their killing) throughout history. Perhaps religious people should think about practicing what they preach?
Libertarians don’t have morals? That’s a laugh riot, MAP. We are the only group of people who stick consistently to our morality. We, for instance, don’t allow Government people to do what ordinary citizens can’t do, such as killing and stealing. Our main morality is that people have a natural right to control their own bodies and property as long as they don’t physically trespass on the bodies and property of others. We stick to those Principles much more rigidly than most of the NeoConservatives stick to their stated Principles.
Christianity is not at all inconsistent with Libertarianism, unless you don’t follow your own moral codes.

DaveH says:

August 10, 2012 at 9:37 am

Religion has been the driving force of wars (and their killing) throughout history. Perhaps religious people should think about practicing what they preach?
Libertarians don’t have morals? That’s a laugh riot, MAP. We are the only group of people who stick consistently to our morality. We, for instance, don’t allow Government people to do what ordinary citizens can’t do, such as killing and stealing. Our main morality is that people have a natural right to control their own bodies and property as long as they don’t physically trespass on the bodies and property of others. We stick to those Principles much more rigidly than most of the NeoConservatives stick to their stated Principles.
Christianity is not at all inconsistent with Libertarianism, unless you don’t follow your own moral codes.

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I read this comment from you DaveH, “after” my previous reply comment. Boy, how perceptive was I? Very!

Your emotional and judgemental attitude have been clearly revealed, and have overtaken your attempts at a controled persona on this site.

You are human after all.

As usual, Shane resorts to personal attacks in lieu of facts.

DaveH – It is my observation that religions are established for one reason: to control the minds of people. People are admonished to accept all precepts of said religion on blind faith, even when they go against reason and logic. IOW, check your brains in at the door.

It is the world’s rulers who have used religion, if not even invented them, in order to get people to do their bidding, to fight their wars, in the name of various ideologies. People just want to do what is right, and are easily convinced of what is pleasing to God by the dictates of charismatic men. And religion is a no-brainer for power-hungry despots.

Religion is not synonymous with faith or spirituality. Yeshua cautioned us against religion (which is established by man, not God), and much to say about the corruption of the churches. He condemned the Pharasees for their focus on the letter of the law, which is meaningless unless it is held within the heart. He clearly told us that Love is the greatest commandment. Without Love, the rest is as nothing.

God gave us minds…would He have forbidden us to use them? Yet, religion would have us close down our minds to even His very Voice in order to follow their strict dogmas. We have received very strict guidelines as to what we may investigate and pursue and what we may not, and what we MUST accept as true even though everything in us holds it in question. We must SILENCE that questioning and be a robot in order to be acceptable.

To a sane person, how does this make any sense at all?

The papacy made sure that we no long even understand, let alone honor, the various cycles of life, the Earth, our solar cycles and galactic cycles that the ancients understood, and did this by changing the natural calendar and traditional Feasts. It is forbidden to even learn about these cycles. The reason for this was that we should feel separate from the rest of God’s Creation of which we are very much a part, in order that we should look to worldly rulers for guidance rather than God’s built-in guidance inherent within ourselves. So, religion has, in effect, usurped God, by usurping our minds.

God commanded that we have NO OTHER GOD. Yet, what is religion but a false god, to which we give our minds and our money. God can be found from within the heart. That is the Door to the Father, and here is no other way to find Him.

DaveH, I know that you do not believe there is a God. That is fine…He believes in you.

His Presence exists in all of Creation, whether we see it or not. It cannot be otherwise.

Polski says:

August 10, 2012 at 9:35 am

Hitler was Catholic. Stalin was a seminarian in the Orthodox church. If you consider history at all, all the wars, all the atrocities, all the murders, all the rapes, all the thefts, were due to religion. I grew up Catholic and went to Catholic schools. That didn’t stop me from realizing what Catholicism has done to the world to create this negative society.
You are 100% right.
Christianity,since its early beginnings has killed more innocent people than the communist,one hundred and eighty million to be exact.Hitler,Stalin,Chou,and Mao has nothing on them.They are still committing atrocities.

Yes he is

He isn’t?
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

I’m afraid you’re wrong Dave. This man is guilty of crimes we sent young men to prison 45 years ago. I believe Social Security fraud will still get you a year or two behind bars. No one has served as President in the last one hundred fifty years has been as much a racist as he creating as much racial animosity. This man is the “Poster Child” for the rapid death of our Country.

Dave, Do you know FOR SURE where he was born? Are you an authenticity of legal documents expert? My guess is no.

However, we do know that Obama is hell bent on this country being something other than a free one. Government control = Socialism, Communism or Monarchy. In any case, Obama is set to be in full control of your money, health, freedoms and very life. Fast-forward a few years…you are elderly, your guns have been taken, you cannot worship as you wish, you cannot get on a blog like this and state your opinion. Everything you have ever owned now belongs to the U.S. of A. and to top it off the government has decided it is time for you to die because you are no longer a contributing member of society. Hope you are ready for all that.

You requested points and those points have been made. So Dave, where is you’re fact based rebuttal? Another one of Obummer’s useful idiots? Quite so. . .

Obumscum is a cretin off the streets of some third-world country.. until he proves different. All we know about him is what is in the 136 Executive Orders that he has signed and he loves to spend our money on his lavish lifestyle.

The TRUTH is that we have been told nothing but lies and all his records have been sealed by the Courts at a cost of Millions of Dollars to keep them “secret.” WHY!

If he is a real American, what is he hiding? Lets see the passport, tell us how many different social security numbers and names he has used. Lets see the admissions applications for Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, that should tell us a lot about who this person is and in what country he holds citizenship. Americans have a right to know who is squatting in their White House.

Winddrinker –
Squatting on our heads!!

As usual, the Internet Troll NC chimes in with a non-sequitur to “prove” his point.

“The feds are on their way to put you in Fema Camp prison for speaking because they are already taking guns from American Citizens”

BS!

Sick of hearing this too. This is AMERICA! It ain’t gonna go down like that! There will be the blood of revolution flowing freely in the streets. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY in this country is going to let this happen. We have Power of the People if we’d only get off our complacent asses and USE it!

nc, thanks for stirring up these onboard heathens , but , the question came to mind , or you also a heathen ? you harassed DaveH into confessing he is a heathen , he should be happy about that because confession is good for one’s soul … This non-sequitur thing he writes of, could that mean DaveH is a part time christian ? since all roads lead to The King’s Book… Anyway keep Trolling , the fishing is good…
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 …

I have never made secret the fact that I don’t believe there is such a thing as a God. I just think it has little to do with Freedom, so I don’t talk about it much. The people who truly follow their religious precepts are no threat to my Freedom. Only the hypocrites are a threat, and I have no problem dealing with that threat.

Hey DaveH -
Does that statement include the muslims’ religious codes? Will it affect your FREEDOM and how will you answer when they put you on your knees and say, “Are you going to believe Mohammed or do I offer your head to allah?”

Actually, the only people who’ve ever harassed me about my non-beliefs have been Christian.

DavidH,,,check out John 8:32 , is that about freedom ?? ,But , you are always going to have some “Boss” and The Boss of all bosses is King Jesus Christ , so, IF, you want to have “good” standing with “The Boss” you better find out what His “Contract” says…
Praise King Jesus for salvation and Healing … Acts2:38…

DAVEH – ?????Wha-a-AT Th-th-h-u—????
Tha t sounds just like…like a liberal responding to- – - one of your very excellent rebuttals:

“That can’t happen to me…It never has.”

Now come on, Mike, name-calling should be left to the Liberals.
No doubt there are pushy controlling Muslims. But there’s also no doubt that there are pushy controlling Christians. The US has been proving that for over 10 years now.
I don’t care what religion they are, or which side they’re on. I just don’t like pushy controlling people.

DaveH -
I know…and I agree some people say things that reflect very poorly on themselves and what they claim to stand for. The old sying bout flies, honey and vinegar. Your complaint at me was valid. And…truth be told there was at least a little tongue in fingertips, so to speak, humor intendd.
Please don’t get too irritated at me. I did defend you above afterall after that APN person’s dickhead comment.(Not that he is , but it was, I thought.)
I appreciate you…

I’m very surprised that some of you still won’t connect the dots. Even our valued PLD has given of glimpses of how the government has started to use military personnel to police the American people without just cause. Furthermore, is it really so far fetched to believe that the most powerful government and military in the world wouldn’t have a plan in place to handle a revolutionary or wide spread dissedent stand by it’s constituents?
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm
And by the way I’m not an internet troll just typed in executive orders and choose this one from many, I would personally like to thank The Reagan Administration, specifically Ollie North who has seemed to have penned most of the exec orders, that I have read about so far, that will completely remove all rights of American citizens with just one signature.

yeah Ted, and the ACLU is all about free speech as long as it is what they want to hear and they don’t want to hear what we the conservatives want to hear, so much for the ACLU and their phoney words.

Hmmm.. you dn’t happen to have any proof the ACLU is against free speech do you? Last I heard, they take on cases without regard to political issues. Seems only the wacked right get offended when the aspects of Constitutional Rights are defended

I never thought I’d have to defend the ACLU on this website. After all, the ACLU is a single issue group dedicated to defending all individual’s constitutional rights against governmental interference or repression.

Personally, I don’t trust anyone who says he supports personal liberty, but doesn’t support the ACLU.

Well then, somebody better inform the ACLU to switch their political affiliations rom left to right if they expect to maintin any consequence. The way Obama is carving up the Constitution they’ll have no basis for existence, soon.

For all you NRA, ACLU and other such group believers ,better check out what the “Hegelian principle” of psychological warfare is all about , it’s a education “system” that a German brought in about 1800 ,it has been used often in America by so called Government , the NRA uses it ,so does ACLU and many others …
Now psychological war is similar to Spiritual war , but, Mankind is a three part being mental, physical and spiritual and the spiritual is what makes The Bible a Warfare Manual for all Mankind because there are no other books as old as The Bible that start right off on page one declaring creation powers that The Bible does and starts with Military Discipline on the next few pages , God sets up a Military Discipline training condition for His first Warrior Man called Adam and then God creates a co-warrior called Eve giving “her” rank under Adam but with very powerful influence on the Leader , Adam .
Now comes along this thing called a “Order” , only one to start with , for Adam to obey.
Notice at Isaiah 45:7 that God said He created all things , good and evil , so God created another player in this war game called Life , Satan came along in the form of a snake to give the new game players of Life some “Order” discipline , if you have read Genesis you know Mankind has been warring ever since and violating all The Game Rules just about as fast as God creates them…
What’s all this got to do with ACLU ?
The Almighty God is our Friend OK, so who is The Foe ? Satan and his group which are the small “g” gods …
So can most positively identify IF, the ACLU or any other group is Our friend or foe???
ACCORDING TO , Biblical history and / or Law / Principles ???
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 …

Amen, Claire. My birthday is today and I am 65. Sadly, we are the generation who started this rebellion of the moral order of things, and I believe we need to step up to the plate and defend what used to be called community values. Wake up senior citizens, and rebuke the depraved and chaotic culture. Work to restore genuine morality, dignity and respect to our society. Let’s us end this culture of narcissism and build a culture of love of family, religion, and true patriotism for ourselves and our children and grandchildren.

AMEN! from anothe senior citizen

Claire, I was born in America and know no other way to live except free. I believe all our freedoms come from our Constitution and I am not politically correct and tell things as I see them. I do not go out of my way to insult anyone because they are different then I am, I do believe live and let live as long as someone doesn’t try to instill their perverted ideas on me, my children or my wife, if they do I tell them straight up that they could be as queer as they want to be, but I don’t believe in their way of life and I don’t want my family to hear what they believe in. If they don’t like my telling them what I believe then the next move is theirs and if it is the wrong move such as they want to assault me, I will instill as much pain on them that is necessary to stop them in their tracks, if they attemplt to use a weaopn on me, then I will always have a more deadly weapon to use and it will be legal since I do know something about the law from first being a prison sergeant them being a police officer for a total of 25 years. In the prisons I saw more disgusting sex acts that any straight man or woman should ever have to see in their lives, and the administration would tell us if we catch two inmates in a sex act to write them up, which was a joke because all the administration would do is give them a reprimand and when inmates were called for medication or sick call, the prisons had boxes of condoms for their use which was a contradiction of their own rules so I never would write an inmate up unless it was an atemplted rape or a rape.
This upcoming election in November is the most important election that we will ever vote in since if Obama wins, he will surly bring America down on her knees, first by financially destroying her, then with his depraved ideas and agendas and lastly since he has shown time and time again that he will violate the Constitution whenever he wants to and dare anyone to try to stop him, he will abolish the Constitution and all of our freedoms that go with it, we will become a Communist Country since in these 3 and 3/4 years he has done so much damage but stopped short of completing his mission so he could do whaterver he wants to do once he is re elected and if that happens, it will be our last chance to stop this tyrant from taking all of our freedoms away from us and it is not something I look forward to since that means we will have a civil war and I for one don’t want to harm or kill any of my fellow Americans, but my country comes before anything else and I will do whatever it takes to keep our Democracy strong and will not live under a dictator or a Communist regime in America.

sophillyjimmy,
You say, “so he could do whaterver he wants to do once he is re elected and if that happens, it will be our last chance to stop this tyrant from taking all of our freedoms away from us and it is not something I look forward to since that means we will have a civil war and I for one don’t want to harm or kill any of my fellow Americans,”

I share and embrace your thoughts and feelings. Just one thing that I would share with you and that is your feelings about harming or killing fellow Americans. Anyone who embraces the decodant, satanic regime that has sprouted in this country, is NOT a fellow American any more than they are Christian, God fearing human being. I look upon everyone of them as the “Domestic Enemy” that I took an oath to defend my Country and my Constitution against. I will also defend my God and his Kingdom against the same. I do not hate the sinner, but I do hate the sin that he embraces and perpetuates. We can only ask to be the instruments of God to fulfill his will….. We are not God.

Claire – This is why I don’t understand why you always defend the very people who are moving even now (and always have been) to take those things away from us.

You make judgments about those of us who blow off a little steam mocking the likes of Hillary (who has already signed the UN gun-ban treaty) and Obama et al, saying that we should afford them dignity when we speak of them, when they are vile, evil and treacherous, having betrayed America in the most unspeakable ways.

They do not deserve even a shred of our respect. They have NO respect for us… quite the opposite. Respect is earned, and it is quite obvious that those of us who are watching do NOT respect them. They have violated their sworn duty to America, and they deserve the appropriate penalties for the worst of crimes against humanity. Which is a darned site worse than a few derogatory remarks. Ugly is as ugly does.

Sure, ultimately we will forgive them in our hearts, because that is what people who love God do. But for now, we must remove them. We have every right to be angry with them, and anger is a great motivator, as long as we act with clear thinking.

You know, I’m hearing so much talk about how we are going to become a third world nation, be a communist nation, turning socialist, etc, etc. Come on guys, are we going to just freaking sit here and let an illegal alien usurper liar change who we are? There are millions of us and only ONE of him.

Sure, he has help, but he and they STILL do NOT outnumber us! We need to grow some balls and handle our business!

Only WE THE PEOPLE can make REAL change in our country. Not some mysterious Kenyan born, raised in Indonesia, a sociopathic pathological LIAR with no concrete evidence of just who the heck this fella really is. He has used several different names and we swallow it, acting as if our hands are tied and we have no power. If we love our country, we should refuse to hand it over to an outrageous usurper.

He hides his records, is blatantly involved in felonious ID theft (for which you and I would be in jail for) who arrogantly proffers up a fake birth certificate that has been resoundingly proven to be FAKE. He thinks we are stupid…are we? What more do we need to see? This can not be allowed to continue!

We need to MAKE and DEMAND Congress do their freaking job. NOBODY goes on vacation/hiatus until the problems of the household of the US are addressed and remedied. In addition, the feet of the FBI and CIA need to be held to the fire. They have been remiss in their duties in protecting our Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

So, time to “Boot Up”, America. Let’s take back America The Beautiful in November!

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

USA! USA! USA!

Kate8, no person can give blanket forgiveness to anyone.
All sin is First against God. Then the sinner or one who gives offense has to ask to be forgiven from the person who is sinned against or given offense.

Nadzieja – While that may be true in one sense, unforgiveness only harms the one holding it, not the offender. Unforgiveness creates energy blockages in our beings, which will surely manifest physically, in time. We forgive because it clears it out of US. It is for our own well-being.

Unforgiveness binds us to the unforgiven, for as long as it remains within us. What we want is to be free. And when we forgive, unbinding ourselves, it is often enough to bring changes in the offender.

Remember, even Christ, on the cross, forgave his tormentors. “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Because he understood that when people commit terrible offenses against others, it is because they truly don’t know what they are doing. To harm others is to, ultimately, harm ourselves. If they really understood this, no one would harm another.

Amen to you Claire, I will be 76 on the 12th

Claire, and other old timers , can you tell others how you became Christians according to The Bible ? or will I and others have to keep on guessing IF you are part of the problem or part of the solution ?

I want to make it clear that I am not on a soapbox, I am not giving a “lecture.” I am simply stating my own thoughts. I, too, was born in America. Raised on a tenant farm and poor as heck. No electricity, no running water, no phone, etc. I have posted this before. I could write a book about poverty, I have lived it. Mother taught me and my 2 sisters to be honest and to work hard. And we did work hard to make good lives for ourselves. I am not perfect, but I have tried to live a good decent life. I will tread on no one, I try to treat others as I would want to be treated. I will do no harm to another human being, but again, I will stand up for myself should the need arise. . .. It is way past time for America to elect people that are trustworthy and honest, but we have a problem. Do you honestly trust the candidates that are running for office? Vote for the lesser of two evils?? As far as I am concerned, at this point in time, I cannot vote for either presidential candidate. The country is falling apart, and it will not be any better with Romney. The greed exhibited by both parties has come to fruition. We are now paying the piper as so to speak. The middle class is slipping away, they can no longer afford to run this country–now or in the future, and this is exactlly what is happening now. I have said before, the middle class has paid the brunt of everything. Eventually there will be two classes–the rich and the poor. There should be fair taxes–every person should be taxed according to the amount they earn, including the wealthy. The middle class certainly does. I consider myself middle class and I had 52 years with a wonderful guy, and I am sincerely grateful for having him in my life for so many years. Sorry, I can be rather melodramatic when I think of my husband.
There is so much to be done regarding America’s government. Greed has played a large part for many many years and it will take years before America gets out of this mess. There is no magic wand, no quick-fix to make things better. I wish there was. No politician fits the bill. I get the feeling they are in it for their own self-gratification, not for America.

sophillyjimmy–my reply was to you.

Charlie–Old timer? That’s great! I haven’t been called an old timer until now,however, I like to think I may be wiser with age? Regardless of age, don’t you think we have all contributed towards the problem? How many of us have voted for a guy that didn’t quite “cut the mustard?” How many of us have been disappointed with our choices? In my lifetime, I have voted Democrat and Republican. I am not geared towards either party, I tried to vote for the person I thought would do a good job. And yes, I have been disappointed many times. It seems they “change” when elected.
And Charlie, wait until you become a senior citizen, you will probably look at things differently?
Regarding faith, my faith has been severely shaken. I lost my husband the end of January, and I truly feel he was a victim, not a patient. I have wondered why he went through the tragic botched surgeries, why he had to suffer. He was a good person, he was good to me, he was my heart for 52 years. At this moment in time, I am on shaky ground regarding faith.

Claire, sorry to hear about your loss of a good husband at the hands of the some what Criminal Medical System, I have had some events of maltreatment at the hands of so called Doctors and that’s why I got into The Bible a little deeper than most , if God created us He’s the one that knows best how to protect us and take care of us…
Have you ever read the food laws in The Bible ? that’s where God begins to tell us how to take care of our physical needs according to His Laws , but , it helps a whole lot to also learn about God’s natural science such as , Chemistry , Biology , etc …
Your husband is now in one of God’s scientific dimensions , but , to begin to understand all that The Bible has from God / King Jesus for our “Blessings” one has to do what King Jesus and His Men say to do as written in The Bible , explore Matthew 6:33 and Acts 2:38 to be on the inside track of understanding all the other “stuff” The Bible has to say…
IF, you have not accomplished Acts 2:38 with understanding , then , If, you want The Salvation of King Jesus Christ you should accomplish Acts 2:38 soon…
BTW, I’m 76 years experienced and I gained that much experience by The Blessings and discipline of King Jesus Christ …
Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Ask and you shall receive ../

He is NOT PLEASED with them,,,

NO, Jesus doesn’t “hate” anyone. Homosexuality, according to the Bible is a sin, Jesus hate’s sin, NOT the sinner! Read the Bible, that’s what it says.

Crack a Bible, why don’t you, and review why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. There are at least 12 mentions of homosexual behavior and none of them is looked upon with favor. WWJD, you ask? Love the sinner, hate the sin. He was a fisher of men’s souls, but he always attempted to get them to TURN from sin. Clear enough for you, or do wish to argue further with God’s law?

Paul…whose god you talking about? We get that cleared up, we can start talking about what the rules laid out are. If you say the christian god, we’ll need to decide if it’s the Southern Baptist god, the Catholic god, the Methodist, etc… there are so many of ‘em and each has a different set of rules …

He definitely hates the abomination of homosexuality that they willfully choose to engage in. And kindly use the word ‘gay’ in its REAL definition, not the perverted slang.

Flashy,
Once again, in your uneducated, moronic way, you attempt to communicate……with little understanding of reality. All the religions you mention worship the SAME God. They all believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. The reasons for the different names given to each group, I.E., Methodist, Baptist, Episcopalian, Catholic, etc., is because of the various interpretations of scripture by each group. I believe you will find that all of these groups are offsprings from one…..and if memory serves me correctly, the Lutheran religion is more closely related to the Catholic religion. No matter, your approach to any religion or group on this site, betrays you as one who will undoubtedly find out for himself where eternity will be spent……with or without cholesterol. God bless Chic-fil-A……and in my business, I always say, “Lord, I don’t know who they are or where they will come from, but they will come to me with needs for me to fulfill. I will do my best to fulfill those needs and in return, my needs will be fulfilled. Thank you lord for bringing these people to me.”

“Does Jesus hate gays?” ah in case you need a simple reply it is: YES! for all the church going 501(c)3 religious goers don’t bother rebutting I don’t care about your PC rebuttals again the answer is YES. I have read some really moronic replies about how Leviticus does not say anything about homosexual sex it just means to sleep.

Really big stretch of twisting God’s word but then that is what Pharisees do best. Paul spoke of it in Romans 1 that they are ALREADY JUDGED. Jacob I loved Esau I hated. Amazing how you people love to twist God’s word to placate your personal perverted life style and support of it..

We have invited God’s judgement long ago with killing a baby in the mothers’ womb. The fact HE has been this long suffering has really escaped the majority of the so called Christian and liberal progressive world.

lastly will you even have the discernment to recognize God’s judgment as it unfolds????

Flashy,
In an extremely prophetic statement that was made long before you were born, it is written that wide and easy to find is the road to destuction and damnation, and many will follow; but narrow and hard to find is the path to salvation, and only few will find it. With this in mind, I say live your life according to your own design, if that’s you desire; but please do not force your sacriligious life style on the rest of us who are true believers in God’s word, and choose to live a more pius and spiritual existence. So, I say to you, that I truly hope you’ll see the light someday, before it’s too late. Go Chick-Fil-A! God and Country.

LOL….typical of the American Taliban. I’m not anti-religion. Far from it. In essence, I’m not an admirer of organized cults who utilize some hyped unprovable fable to use as a tool to control the weak minded masses.

One’s belief is their belief. it’s personal. To insist others adhere to it is rude, crude, unrefined. It’s a Talibanisc mindset and against the best interests of the society in which we live today.

Who are they who would say Flashy’s Church for Wayward Girls and Soiled Women is a church of false beliefs ?

y’all do understand the earliest case of communism was the early days of christianity right? Then the aristocracy saw what was occurring and created the Church and installed the Pope. Wycliffe came closest to halting that hierarchical control of that faith, but they did him dirty in order to split Europe into fiefdoms and warlord controlled spheres of influence. Huss made his attempt immediately following Wycliffe..but he got the hot foot treatment for daring to propose the masses deserved some say in the matter.

Basically, it all boils down to the singular question when y’all try to say “god” is for or against something..whose god are you referring to?

God does NOT hate gays, He hates the sin of homosexuality, he hates the sin of murder, He hates the sin of lying, He hates the sin, not the sinner. It is God’s will that ALL should be saved but if you can’t admit that you are a sinner, and every human that has ever been born is a sinner, then you can’t accept the grace that He so generously died for. You must repent and TURN from your sin and homosexuality, practiced is a sin. BUT, He still loves the sinner. HOWEVER, the only sin that people can commit that will keep you from the love of God is to deny His Son Jesus Christ. If you deny Him, you are lost, if you are lost, you aren’t going to spend eternity with God. Choices made now while we are alive tell us where we spend our eternity. It’s that simple. Blessings to all.

Do you think Jesus hates gays? Dave take the honor of answering this.

firefight, i don’t know what bible you have but in mine it’s the holy spirit . no mention of ghost. and my spirit, when i die, goes back to god. me , on the other hand , will be 6 feet under.

God hates the sin, not the sinner and what they do is sin, even nature says so.

….. and the ALL OMNISCIENT FLASHY SAID…….Paul…whose god you talking about? We get that cleared up, we can start talking about what the rules laid out are. If you say the christian god, we’ll need to decide if it’s the Southern Baptist god, the Catholic god, the Methodist, etc… there are so many of ‘em and each has a different set of rules …

FLASHY said “So shall it be written, so shall it be done!!!!!!

Poor soul, just to high strung!

Agreed!

As usual, the Left has managed to twist the whole issue and the right bit right into it.

Actually, this should be a non-issue. Gays were not being discriminated against. In true communist overthrow style, they create a social issue to use as a club against their opposition. So, acceptance isn’t enough. Gays want to be celebrated. They want to force their lifestyle down the throats of our congregations, requiring that the churches throw out something they consider to be God’s Word, and they want church-approved marriage. What’s more, they are ramming their sexuality down the throats of the youngest of our school children against the protests of parents, who don’t want their children being sexualized and sexually indoctrinated AT ALL. And that IS what they are doing.

Interesting that, at the same time, it is Christians who are being marginalized, attacked and persecuted. It is Christians who no longer have the right to their own lifestyle and beliefs.

That said, the real issue is that marriage is a religious sacrament, a covenant between a man, a woman, and God. Always has been. And the government should have no place in it. The church as bought off by the state into preaching that marriage must be “legal” to be approved of by God, when that has never been the case. It is just more government interference and control of our lives and our children.

There is absolutely nothing to stop gays from having their own churches, religions, and marriages. But no, that is not what they’re after. What they want is to corrupt OTHER PEOPLE’S LONG STANDING CHURCHES AND RELIGIONS. They are seeking, and succeeding in many cases, to strike a fatal blow to the very heart of religious doctrine. BTW, is anyone suggesting that Muslims be forced to marry gays? I think not.

This is nothing but another hammer used by the Left, like race, women’s lib (aren’t we all so much happier now?) and social status. And numerous others. They go out looking for causes they can use to further enslave everyone else, to force us all to bow to them.

It’s time we just start saying NO. KICK ROCKS. We either have freedom for all or there is freedom for none. With the Left it’s always ‘my way or the highway’, because it’s never been about rights, but only about absolute control over every facet of life.

Well said, Kate.

To the point and absolutely correct! You’ve put it in very simple, direct words Kate8, Outstanding!!
Yet still, they will continue with a twisted mindset of “the desires of the few outweigh the rules of the many”.

Ok, but do NOT push any kind of morality onto those that don’t want it. Keep the LGBT stuff out of shools and out of the minds of impressionable kids & others that have no idea what it is. This is a Pandoras box that never should have been opened in the first place.

Ok, Dave, – (BTW, K88, great review!!!)
Taken as far as you have, DaveH (regarding the rights of the two homos involved), I must agree – up to that point. Beyond that though, society has always set up laws, and rules, and customs, and conventions to protect the greater good of everybody in the society – which sometimes prevents certain people from doing things they want if their actions hurt others’ wellbeing. The reasons for some of those rules, customs and conventions have been forgotten or gone out of vogue.
One of the problems people have with God, and/or His Word, is that He gives opinions on certain matters and others He gives no voice to. In His opinions He indicates it is safe for us or unsafe for us to engage in those activities. “Evil”, either active or passive, is what will befall us after doing it.
“Active evil” usually hits quick and is easy to ascribe to the source of the problems that befall the foolish participants.
“Passive Evil” is more deceptive in that it has a long latency before its awful effects come upon us. Therefore since a long time has intervened it becomes impossible for US to pinpoint the cause – although God knows full well the cause of the damage done. Passive Evil usually also affects many others by proximity to us either physically, spiritually or emotionally. These are the ones that do the most damage because of their inclusive nature and difficulty discerning the cause.
Homos’ problems and their effects are extremely widely discussed in scripture. But, unless you’ve been taught the Biblical culture and follow certain words/ideas in context and history you wouldn’t see it.

Lots of people think they are real smart and God is real arbitrary and the source of bigotry. Lots of things exist in this world that people can’t immediately sense or percieve. But, they didn’t create the world and don’t know (and will never, can’t possibly know by scientific investigation) everything about everything; be it good or bad.

The reasons for staying way from homos and homosexual activity are among those things.

Saying it’s “OK” isn’t ok.

What if you were picking on people who in no way were physically harming you or your property? I say “physically” because almost everything we do offends one segment of society or another. Leaders love that about people, and are always happy to accommodate them with even Bigger Government.
What if there is a God, but you are being the Aggressor in his eyes? I don’t mean what “God has said” according to other human beings, but what that God actually thinks. What if that God decides that you have interfered with other peoples’ right to live their own lives however they see fit as long as they don’t trespass on other peoples’ bodies and property?
What if there is no God, and it’s all a myth propagated by various people for various manipulative reasons?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

Dear Dave and all that don’t believe in God, Please don’t read this in an angry tone, I’m saying it with a loving heart and because I really do care. “I” choose to believe there is a God and I choose to believe that He created the world and that it didn’t just happen. There are too many things that can’t just happen like the human body, it is too intricate to just have come crawling out of some muck and vavoom, a human and if it were that you came from an ape, how come there are still apes? If Then God did in fact created the world and created Man and Woman, that must be the way that He wants it to be. Other wise the body would reproduce with a man and a man or a woman and a woman but either needs the other to reproduce. It isn’t just the practice of homosexuality that is a sin but so many other things as well. We don’t have to do them, AND there is a way to change that. Again, it’s your choice, no one can force you to believe but I know that God would love for you to do just that. The last sentence is the most important.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11-Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Please don’t walk away angry, what I’m saying isn’t meant to bring anger but to make you think past what you have all along. There is a way and the only way is Jesus Christ. The world is going to get worse before it gets better, don’t you want hope to hold on to during this time of uncertainty? I don’t know how people can live from day to day without hope, I sure couldn’t do it. The article in question, the owner never once put homosexuals down, or ever said he wouldn’t serve them, he was asked a question and he answered it honestly. How can anyone fault him for that. It is people who are trying to start stuff, just like the arguements that are going on like this that even ask questions like that to begin with. I’m not here to put anyone down but to tell the truth the way that I believe it is. I hope that you all have a wonderful weekend.

DaveH -
Point taken. And that gets right to the bottom of EVERYTHING. What if it IS a bunch of arcane texts put together by a bunch of people in order to be manipulative of others? That would be quite easy to prove for there would be huge numbers of glaring errors. Also, the closer it was studied the more we would find it doesn’t equate with the basic facts of life or what is discovered about the nature of the physical world we CAN study (if we do the investigations WITHOUT bias and preconceptions).
However, what is being found is that the old scientific positions are falling at an alarming rate and what we do find is coming very closely in line with what the Bible said long ago, way before they had any meansof investigating things like we have today. So, how’d they get that info? How could they have been so accurate unless they had access to someone or something with in-depth facts and associational patterning?
There’s one other fact of life that has come up lately and been discussed minutelyby Stephen C. Meyer, PhD in his c. 2009 HarperCollins Publ. study “Signature in the Cell – DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design”. I challenge you to take up THIS gauntlet and deal honestly with his evidence and conclusion:

The DNA in every cell on earth is a chemical computer system with defined, self-reproducing structure and function. It has a chemical, digital program with all the advanced programming elements we know of and use to accomplish the purpose for which it was designed. To the extent our finite minds can grasp, it can be adduced that – since such things exist – there HAD TO have been a preexistent intelligent designing agent with the capacity to dynamically plan, decide and execute the whole into existence. He does’t put a name on it, just on the process – “Intelligent Design”.

Whatever THAT agent is it has incredible potential. Certainly it would have the ability to communicate whatever it might desire to what it produced. If it did the only questions that remains to us: To whom did it communicate? Was the communication stored? How could I be sure? Where do I need to go to discover such a fabulous store of information as IT might have transmitted? WHAT WILL I DO ABOUT IT

DaveH – God’s Laws are natural laws which are for the purpose of living a healthy and prosperous life. When we step outside of these laws we bring trouble into our lives as a natual consequence, not because of punishments. We reap things like discord, disease, and the like.

Therefore, if one chooses to live contrary to these laws, he has been given free will to do so. We are absolutely free to bring trouble onto ourselves by our actions.

However, we also have the right to want to shield ourselves and our children from having to live among those who wish to live in such a manner as we find offensive. This is what the government denies us…and forces us to have behaviors we find objectionable taught to our children. We are forced to hire people whom we do not want to represent us. We are forced, forced, forced… to the point where WE are being discriminated against and criminalized.

Gays have always been around, and we should have the right whether to include them among our close friends and associates, as we do anyone else. They have the same right. People always prefer to live amont those with whom they share common values, and there is nothing wrong with this. And gays have the same obligation to respect the rights of “normal” people, which they often do not. They seem to enjoy getting “in your face”.

I like the idea of the rule of “no harm”, where people respect one another in all ways. But as long as we have those who seek to control the lives of others, they will devise ways to claim offense in order to manipulate those whom they want to control.

Once we recognize how we are manipulated by the “civil rights” of such people, we can stop playing their game.

Look, I really don’t care what you guys believe. All I ask is that you really do follow your religious codes and treat your fellow humans respectfully. That’s what it’s really all about, isn’t it?
The most important thing in each of our lives is that we like ourselves, and we can’t do that if we don’t follow our own moral codes like we expect others to.

Kate8,
As usual, very well stated!

Best Wishes,
AJ

DaveH -
My friend, I for one and I’m sure the others who’ve been posted here in this thread, don’t TREAT others with disdain, contempt or inhumanity when we meet them. For God’s sake, you can’t tell by LOOKING at them. Nor do we attempt to force our opinions and beliefs on anybody. If we did we would not have gone to such exents to try to formulate reasoned responses to opposing views. We just have a defined point of view having some Authority supporting our points which no point of departure proceeding from purely human reason could ever formulate. That is preciely why despots and evil governments throughout the ages have tried so desperately to extinguish God’s Word.
But, it is humanly impossible to extinguish God because “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word WAS God.” (John 1:1) God’s word does not have to be defended. It only needs to be presented. Those who dispute it don’t dispute the presenter. They only dispute the Author – when it’s done accurately and in love for the hearers. When they dispute Him they WILL lose, define themselves and condemn themselves to oblivion.
Besides that, show me a place, if you can, where God’s precepts have ever done damage to a culture or individuals which observed them? Bet you can’t because they are woven into the fabric of the Universe He created.
Observe them and benefit. Contend with or contradict them and wonder what happened – defeat onesself.
You’re a man of virtue, as I’ve noted before. You’ve watched and seen these things occur? Accidence in N-A-T-U-R-E-? Nah! The statistical confidence numbers wouldn’t correlate.

K8ey –
I didn’t realize you and I were working in tandem in such a wonderful way – and with Renee’ also. Glad to be on the team with you two sweethearts…our hearts knit together. See you in person some day when we take our seats at the Lord Jesus’ banquet together. I’d love to introduce you to my wife and kids. You, too, Mr. Livingston. (Thanks.)
This is fun!

Mike in MI – Wow. It seems that the MIC has developed an aerosolized vaccine that modifies the behavior of religious people. It does something to the brain.

They said that it is administered via chemtrails and infects people with something like flu.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/a-mindbowing-leaked-pentagon-video-flu-vaccine-use-to-modify-human-behavior-2449456.html

My God. We really have to be strong in our faith and in ourselves these days to survive the onslaughts of the government.

I wonder if this has anything to do with how so many people today abhor people with any real affinity with Spirit. Today’s new age ideas are rather self-serving and materialistic, it seems to me. But then, fluoride also blocks a person’s ability to hear God by calcifying the pineal.

Gosh, today’s technologies are used with so much evil, are so diabolical in application. I do hope we are near the end of such a world. It’s heartbreaking.

To anybody who read my 8/12, 5:12 pm post above with interest there’s one thing I’d like to add that may clarify something I was leading up to – but forgot.
The DNA system is a computer with both hardware and software. The two must fit together and be completely compatible in oder for it to work.
Now, evolutionists can truhfully say, “Well, evolution could randomly put the chemicals together by chance and end up with a workable protein producing complex. It would be huge odds but, none the less, it is possible.”
Problem is… the software. Whence came the program(s)? So many? So varied? Each one so complete? So difficult to alter?

What was the programmer? That takes HUGE sentient activity!!!

Who programmed the Programmer?

DaveH -
Try as I might throughout the years to find something somewhere in the scriptures, ask people who are more well versed than myself or drive my own mind to anything that makes sense… everything comes up blank. It might be there, but I haven’t seen it. The last thing I want to do is put an interpretation on a passage that twists it to the point I squeeze something out that isn’t there.
The closest thing I, or anybody I know of, have found is: 1) “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.” (John 1:1)
2) “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1)

This is a guess, but I have often wondered if there is something about being created, as we are, that precludes comprehending what preceded the Genesis 1:1 “beginning”. It’s like, our 5 senses register and the nerves carry and transduce for mental perception the bare minimum that we need for existence. There is lots in our environment that we can’t register at all. Some is innocuous; some is damaging. Some is fearsome but we’re not aware. In other words, there is a lot that we just can’t know…dark matter and dark energy for instance. On this plane of existence, perhaps God’s origin is in that bunch of things????
Makes sense to me.

DaveH -
By the way, the estimates of how much dark matter and dark energy exist in the universe are up around 60% to 85% of the total in extant. Yet, we don’t know either a blessed or a damn thing about the stuff.
So, how much do we really KNOW about anything? Man’s hubris is phenomenal.

Well DaveH, in all your power and glory, given the FACT that you DO NOT believe in GOD the Father, just where do you get your “MORALS” from?

Educate me in all your POWER and GLORY, ALL OMNIPOTENT ONE!!

Mike says — “So, how much do we really KNOW about anything? Man’s hubris is phenomenal”.
Sounds like you’re making my argument for me, Mike. Thanks.

APN says — “where do you get your “MORALS” from?”.
I leave people alone to control their own bodies and property. I get my morals from other humans, including those who wrote the Ten Commandments, and those who wrote the Book of the Dead.
APN says — “Educate me in all your POWER and GLORY, ALL OMNIPOTENT ONE!!”.
Actually, you have that backward, APN. I’m not the one who uses Big Government to force my will on other people.

APN -
THAT, sir, is uncalled for. DaveH IS from what I gather out of his posts, is a man of integrity, many virtues and fundamental goodness. He has said he grew up as a Catholic, but saw fit to abandon it – for whatever personal reasons. If those are as good as his thinking presented in most of his writing here, they had substance.
Further, there are a lot of us who grew up in the demoninations to a certain point and decided what they represented had nothing to offer us. That happened to me at the age of 12 and I ended up a declared atheist for a long time. Events conspired to set me to re-examine that position. God “tricked” me into getting to a location where I heard and saw some things I was on a quest to find. I bit into it and found myself in First Century Christianity.
Since then I have discovered that I BECAME a son of God as a little kid. What brought me back to it was God’s love, that spirit still at work in there and some phenomenal events God put me in position to experience. I don’t care what “The Great Randy” might say. I KNOW what happened (and I was stone cold sober, alert and of sound mind).
I’m sure I’m not the only one to whom such things have occurred. My parents and a good Sunday school teacher taught me some “morals” that really helped me and brought good to me (though I didn’t know why, then).
The Proverbs speak to people of body and soul who can learn and do “right” and get blessed by God for it. The O.T. was written TO body and soul people. Anybody can learn morals and be ethical and benefit from it – whether they learn it from trial and error experience, observation of others or elder’s advice. Morals and ethics are virtues anyone can beneficially learn and apply…and teach.

So, APN, your denigration of DaveH calls for something. You man enough – it’s a moral thing to do.

DaveH -
My question about “how much do we really KNOW about anything?” was in relation to our hubris about being able to claim a little knowledge about “science (“scio” – Latin, to know)”.
But If one can get information from a source that has direct knowledge of everything…well, you can learn as much as you can assimilate and remember.

Good memory, Mike. Yes, I was indoctrinated in the Catholic religion for 10 years.
I like to think that I would have been a moral person without them, but who knows?
I think religion does a service to mankind in the sense of giving us a base of morality, so I would hate to see the Progressives reach their goals of stamping out religion. However, there is no way that I could ever come to believe in a supernatural being. It’s just not in my DNA.
Thanks for coming to my defense.

DaveH -
Actually, in all seriousness, after seeing how you hande yourself, your easoning and the things you use in building examples I think that you are like I was all during the time I proclaimed myself to be atheist.
I was saved (a Christian) from early youth, but just didn’t know it or what I had. Ergo, it did me no, or very little, good. If my gut on this is accurate I think the same could be true of you, too.
Once you got it you can’t shake it, sorry.

Ignore the latest poll from the Communist News Network. It is — again — way short of the number of Republicans needed to make up a true sample of the electorate, and is — again — too high on the number of Democrats needed to make up a true sample of the electorate.

Romney is running the same campaign as McCain did. Inept. Romney does not have to get negative to put the gloves on, he needs to tell it like it is as he’s coming out swinging. If he doesn’t want to drag his knuckles every now and then, it’s 4 more years of Obama.

UNFORTUNATELY OSAMA EER I MEAN OBAMA IS ABOUT TO START A WAR WITH IRAN TO INSURE HE GETS RE=ELECTED.

The problem is, FF, that the emperor has no clothes. Romney is just Obama-lite, so he really doesn’t offer people a clear choice, unless you consider less-Freedom-taking to be a desirable choice.

Not only did Romney wimp out on defending Chic-fil-A, but he didn’t even stand up and defend himself when the Dumocrats accused him of murdering some woman with cancer! Two bad moves. He wasn’t my 1st,2nd, or even 3rd choice for President. We seem to be stuck with him, though. I’d rather him than that sack of poop we have in the W.H. now! Hopefully, he’ll pick a strong V.P. I can hope and pray it’ll be West but I know better.

Could not have said it better, FF !!! Kudos.

Don’t worry Mitt, you won’t win anyway.

FF, you state that Romney needs to go on the offense if he wants to win. I thought that too. There is just one problem. Almost everything that Obama should be attacked on, Romney is equally guilty of. Attack Iran without congressional approval. check check. support abortion. check check. Say one thing, do another. check check. Legislate by fiat. check check. Support gay marraige. check check. indefinite detention of citizens. check check. Patriot Act self written search warrants. check check. Change your position based on who you are talking to. check check. That doesn’t leave much to go after Obama about.

who cares about the dam chicken crap. you keep screwing around the the birds

Exactly, political correctness doesn’t work and is utterly stupid. i read a great definition recently which said. “Political correctness is that style of communication which suggests it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.” There are so many turds in society that we are allowing to be labelled otherwise, just so some poor sweetikins doesn’t get upset. It’s the same with ‘Merry Christmas’! Time for that garbage to finish. No more PC trash, we need to tell it like it is.

I couldn’t have said it better myself! Semper Fi! Fair winds and following seas. Chief Boring

Mr Romney has been on the offense too long. He needs to go into attack mode. He had better do it quickly.

I am reasonably sure that Romney, as Juan in 2008, has been told by TPTB that Soetoro the communist foreigh national Kenyan is to have another term and that he (Romney) is to put on a good show only.

I’m still voting for Ron Paul.
Romney is just the establishment’s backup should dislike of the Kenyan get too great. His record is socialist at best.
Rangers Lead the Way!

Do you think it is “arrogant” when you think your opinon (stated above) is the correct one?You are entitled to yoour opinion, so why belittle someone else’s. The left does this all the time. Their opiniion is the only one that “counts.”

There is no other interpretation possible. Only the arrogance of those who wish to change God into their OWN image can explain any other interpretation,

The Bible is very clear on God’s stance on marriage between a man and a woman and His stance on homosexuality. There is only one way to interpret what The Bible says on this subject. Read it. You might learn something.

Flashy, I don’t usally reply to your posts – I think you write crap just to get a rise and then plessure yourself as you’re reading the reply. The left (and you) continually talk about tolerance, civility and diversity, but it seems it’s only directed at other people. You and the left need to learn it’s a two way street and start practicing what you’re preaching.

Progressives are the Taliban Flashman! Keep drinking that dummy down solution you guys love so much and sit back and watch Rome burn.

When a society allows every minority cause, act or so called right to take over telling the majority what to do, then the society will collapse from with-in.

You progressives are writing our obituary.

God hates sinners. Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight; thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob I have loved, but Esau have I hated.

God does not love everybody. If you do not have faith in Jesus (God) shed blood for your sins, you have chosen to be God’s enemy.

NO … it is the bible … not his teaching. If you are ignorant, stay silent and no one knows. If you open your mouth you are found out!

Flashy, I Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know, that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom Of GOD. DO NOT BE DECEIVED, Neither fornicators, nor idoliters, nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor exstortioners will inherit the kingdom of GOD. BUT, GOD came to this earth to pay for the sins of you and me Flashy, so that if you practice any of the attributes of the verse above, you can be saved from the justice that GOD is going to bring upon all who do not believe. The utopia that you liberals think you can bring to societies will only be realized in heaven. Hope to see you there!!!

Flashy, it is always interesting to read your posts. You can never make a clear point, and your reasoning to get there is just laughable. And sad. So deluded.

Enjoy you eternal vacation in a really hot place. Two men or two women can not be married, as they can’t have children? Or is that too hard for your great mind?

let me get this straight POWER, for example, because we gave blacks the right to vote and freed them, we made this country weaker,…..i think your view is a little distorted……the reason the minority have RIGHTS, is so they CANT be taken away by the majority….NO MATTER what minority group it is

Yo Douche Bag,

New International Version (©1984)
“‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
New Living Translation (©2007)
“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

English Standard Version (©2001)
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Douche Bag, That sounds pretty straight forward to me.

I think that if two men or two women have been in a relationship, for years…..who love each other as much or more than a man and woman, and one gets sick or dies, it is just WRONG, for that person’s family or kids or whoEVER, to be able to tell the well or alive partner that they are not welcome at the hospital or the funeral, because of hateful people like YOU PEOPLE who are posting here…..who CARES whether you think being gay or lesbian is right or wrong….I care more about the people involved and how they would feel not being able to do anything about it because of people like you. If it takes them being married or having a civil union or whatever to make sure both partner’s rights are protected, then SO BE IT!!!!!

@ Johnny:

“I think that if two men or two women have been in a relationship, for years…..who love each other as much or more than a man and woman, and one gets sick or dies, it is just WRONG, for that person’s family or kids or whoEVER, to be able to tell the well or alive partner that they are not welcome at the hospital or the funeral [...]”

I agree. It is wrong to do that to them due to their sexual orientation. But that doesn’t mean they have to be called “married.” Homosexuals were already offered legal civil unions that provided for things like that. That wasn’t good enough for them. They insist on being called “married.” Their conspicuous goal in their political endeavors is to force through legislation that obliges the majority of the population to be bound by law to declare, acknowledge, and support the idea that it is okay to be gay, and that contrary to being a deviant behavior, it should be recognized as normal when it is not.

“let me get this straight POWER, for example, because we gave blacks the right to vote and freed them, we made this country weaker,…..i think your view is a little distorted……the reason the minority have RIGHTS, is so they CANT be taken away by the majority”

1. “Minorities” and other groups that seek the vote are not looking to prevent injustice. They are looking to inflict injustice of their own. Women, for example, didn’t want the vote because of anti-women legislation. They wanted the vote in order to contribute pro-women legislation. Blacks wanted a little of both. They needed justice. But they also wanted pro-black legislation. So don’t kid yourself. Equal rights and universal suffrage is a sham.

2. I hate to say this, but giving minorities of any variety the right to vote has made our country weaker. We should have never allowed ignorant or uneducated people to cast votes that have a direct impact on the lives of 300 million people. With all due respect to those who support universal suffrage, it’s not much different than giving everyone the right to prescribe and dispense medicine. Giving them the right doesn’t mean they know or understand what they are doing. There should be a written exam of some sort to ensure that only intelligent voters are guiding the direction of our nation.

Power to the People, ask if the Leftists/Progressives care that they are writing society’s obituary.
Like Rome and Greece and Persia and Egypt, and all the other supposedly great societies, they rotted not so much from foreign invaders but the rot and disease that was on the inside.
Note a beautifully perfect apple or pear on the outside, then cut it open and find it rotten.

flash-in-the-pants, does this mean that you are a sodomite also? By the way gay is the word they gave to it themselves to make it sound better. You can look it up in any bible, unless you are afraid the book will burn your hands. God our heavenly father gave them this name, if you want to argue I suggest you take it up with HIM.

up the hill
airborne

Alex Frasier speaks volumes when he says we need only a “certain class” of people to have the right of others in this country. A test to vote because all you idiots out there don’t know as well as he believes he does?
How asinine can you be and still call yourself an American? That is as Un-American a statement to be spoken here especially.
What did all the “Freedom” fighting our country has done mean then? So you can vote but not that other guy you “think” is an idiot?

First of all, Government should not Force people to buy any product they don’t need or use. The vast majority of things that Government “provides” should be funded by user fees only. And for those few things that can’t be easily assigned to user fees, every voting adult should pay exactly the same tax.
As there is no possible way in an unbiased way to ascertain peoples’ mental voting capacities, that is a moot point.
The Best Government is the Least Government. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

Flashy, you have a little god complex? You seem to know nothing about everything and your stupid comment prove what I’m saying, grow up and admit you don’t know anything about anything. The fool says in his heart, there is no God, does it fit you?

This is for DaveL Flashy: “The left does this all the time. Their opiniion is the only one that “counts.”…

This philosophy works both ways Dave, don’t be fooled. They both have to be wrong as they both have to be right, otherwise EVERYONE could recognize the difference.

Well said JohnJ, well said!

Ole “flash in the pan” invoked the word GOD, who would have thunk it? Wouldn’t won’t to be you “Buddy.”

Flashy, please sober up before you post!!! Your gibberish is totally unintelligible and unintelligent…in other words, Stupid!! Please go sleep off your latest drunk and try to THINK before you post again!!

This might go right over everyone’s heads, but I like the verse in the bible where King Solomon said; “You people are all morons”. And God said;”That’s the way I designed them”.