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Message To Obama: You Owe Us!

August 2, 2012 by  

 

Hello. I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. My video commentary this week is in response to President Obama’s comments that business owners owe government and others for our success. My message to Obama?

We built it. We don’t owe you a thing. As a matter of fact, you owe us!

President Obama has it completely backward. Business owners don’t owe credit to government for their success. Government owes us credit for its existence. Government doesn’t enable or empower business owners. We empower government.

Business owners would do just fine without government. But government, government employees and the “takers” of society (those who take checks from government) could not survive without us: the creators, producers and taxpayers. Simply put, we pay all the bills for government. We’re the ones you ought to be thanking.

Let me paint a picture even an economic illiterate can understand. Let’s say you own a restaurant. Who needs whom? Do the patrons of your restaurant need you? No, they could choose any one of 1,000 other restaurants in your city. They could stay home and cook for themselves. Heck, they could even choose to not eat; most Americans could use a day off from eating.

But you — the business owner — could not live without customers. You desperately need their patronage. You need to be nice, genuflect and show gratitude. Without customers, you could not stay in business. Every employee of your restaurant is dependent on customers. Even ignorant leftists and socialists can’t intelligently argue with that.

Now let’s extend that “business model” to government. Government is the business. The taxpayers are the customers — just like that restaurant example. Government doesn’t survive if we don’t pay the bills. Government is dependent on us, our hard work, our taxes. If we go on strike and stop paying, government goes out of business.

The only difference is that in a free market capitalist society, the customer freely chooses to spend his or her money at the business of their choice. But in the case of government, the customer is limited to only one choice. If government can’t pay the bills, instead of being forced out of business, government just raises taxes and extorts more money (legally, of course).

So why does Obama think we owe him? Sure, we need the things that help our society and economy grow: infrastructure (i.e., roads, bridges, traffic lights, police, fire, garbage, sewers, hospitals, airports, schools) and national defense. Although, much of that could be handled by private enterprise. But Obama misses the crucial point: We (business owners and taxpayers) paid for that with our taxes. We built it! You owe us a debt of gratitude.

Without our business taxes, Social Security taxes, payroll taxes, workers’ compensation taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, income taxes and estate taxes (we even pay you after we’re dead), there would be no money for all those things that Obama values. Why would we thank you for things we paid for? When the customer walks out of the restaurant, or hardware store, or toy store, who thanks whom? The business owner thanks us for spending our money in his establishment.

Instead of telling us how much we owe government, the progressive leftists and socialists should be thanking us. Without taxpayers (especially high-income business owners), you wouldn’t be able to build roads, bridges, highways, schools or airports. Your infrastructure exists because of our hard work. Your schools exist because of rich business owners who pay huge property tax bills. Your Social Security, Medicare, welfare, food stamps and unemployment insurance exist because of business owners paying into the system.

Yes, President Obama, it all exists because business owners do, in fact, work harder and smarter. And you had better thank God we do it, or you’d be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. We’re not dependent on government. Mr. Obama, every government program, every government employee and every handout addict depend on us. If we don’t write the checks, you don’t get paid. Or do you think money grows on trees?

 

Like any smart small business owner, government should be treating its customers with honor, respect and gratitude. Mr. Obama, you need to learn to say “please” when you ask for our money and “thank you” after we pay. Learn how to treat customers well — or they will go away.

Ah, there’s the problem. You believe we can’t go away. But it’s happening right now, before your eyes. In response to the way you have treated customers (i.e., taxpayers and business owners), they are, in fact, leaving. American business is on strike. That’s why there are no new jobs, and there won’t be until after Nov. 6. The customers are on strike.

Many are scaling back. Some are going underground rather than work all day like slaves to pay 60 percent of our earnings to you. Some are retiring — or at least thinking about it seriously. A poll only days ago reported that 83 percent of doctors are considering retiring because of Obamacare. So you see, Mr. Obama, the idea of citizens being slaves to you doesn’t work out so well.

And then there’s the big one: Americans are leaving for places that treat customers better. Even Obama’s rich, elite, leftist crowd is refusing to pay the higher taxes he wants. One of the co-founders of Facebook renounced his citizenship and left for Singapore — where the income taxes are more tolerable at 20 percent or less and the capital gains taxes are zero. Even though he’s a latte-drinking, tree-hugging San Francisco Bay area liberal, he left America rather than pay Obama’s future oppressive taxes.

Denise Rich could be one of the top five Democratic contributors in America over the past 20 years. She is best friends with the Clintons. Yet she renounced her citizenship just days ago. She, too, refuses to pay the massive Obama taxes on the way.

So far it’s a trickle of ultra rich who are leaving. Soon, if Obama is re-elected, it will become a torrent. I personally know hundreds of business owners exploring their options right now, many ready to leave the moment Obama is re-elected. This is called running a business without any customers. The taxpayers are unhappy. The only ones left will be Obama’s voters: the takers. But there won’t be anyone left to take from.

And when that happens, Obama will learn an important business lesson: bankruptcy.

I’m Wayne Allyn Root for PersonalLiberty.com. See you next week, same time, same place. God Bless.

–Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root

(W.A.R.) is a former Presidential candidate, the 2008 Libertarian Vice Presidential nominee and a Tea Party favorite. He is the ultimate capitalist evangelist: a blue-collar S.O.B. (son of a butcher) turned small businessman, entrepreneur, CEO, home-schooler and citizen politician. Root is a talk-show host, bestselling author, business speaker and TV/radio commentator on business, economics, entrepreneurship and politics. He is a regular guest on Fox News, as well as on hundreds of radio shows across the United States. Root's opinions reach tens of millions of Americans as a regular columnist and commentator for many of the most popular political and business websites, including FoxNews.com. He also writes regularly for The Washington Times. He is the bestselling author of seven books. Root serves as national spokesman for several companies, including Asset Strategies International, a global precious metals company, and Senior Economic Advisor to Wealth Masters International, a global financial services company. He is also well known in the television and media industries. Root started his career as an anchorman and host for CNBC (then known as Financial News Network). He has hosted, starred and produced many television shows. Today, he is a producer of the highest-rated television show on Travel Channel, "Ghost Adventures."  Because of his success in the diverse fields of business, media, sports, entertainment and publishing, Root was awarded his own 180-pound granite star in the Las Vegas Walk of Stars. Only 50 legends in the history of Las Vegas have received a star on Las Vegas Boulevard. Root joins Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Wayne Newton, Liberace and Dean Martin, along with other icons of business and entertainment. Root's star can be viewed in front of New York New York Resort. A native New Yorker and graduate of prestigious Columbia University, this capitalist evangelist proudly resides in Nevada, a State with no personal or business income tax. His website is ROOTforAmerica.com.

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  • sugar

    Bravo!! That was the single most brilliant response to obama’s
    ignorant comment I’ve heard yet!

    • Elaine

      On the surface, it does sound good. But that happened 140 years ago, didn’t it?

      Texas even tried getting rid of the TSA. They’ve been bullied into not pursuing that any more, haven’t they? TSA is one of the things I blame W for. I don’t think he came up with the idea or got it started on his own, though. BHO didn’t come up with ObamaCare on his own. It was written too quickly, and no one person could have come up with all of that, which is one reason it is so hard to decipher. There are so many references in it to other passages in it, there is no telling what it will loop back.

      As Pelosi inanely said, “We have to pass it to see what’s in it.”. What’s more inane is that the Congress and Senate bought that lame reasoning. Now the liberals are still saying, just wait until 2013 when we will see what’s in it. Yeah. All government programs and agencies work so well, right?

  • Howard Roark

    To save the Nation we must concentrate on wealth producing jobs. (not all jobs produce wealth)Real wealth is created in three basic ways. 1. Farming (includes agriculture and aqua culture) 2. Mining (incluides oil abd natural gas) and 3. Manufacturing.

    The miner gets paid and buys a house (wealth producing) gets a haircut (not wealth producing) etc. You see trickle down economics has been working well throughout the history of man.

    Lets look at Nevada. we have all three wealth producing activities here. the State produces enough real wealth so that our citizens can live our lives, plus pay all of our various taxes. (city, county, state and federal) Now lets look at the federal Govt. All around the country you have Military bases.military shipyards, depos etc. these activities do not produce wealth. they are in fact liabilities. Now lets look at the District of Columbia (ten miles square) their major product is Politicians and Government workers, both liabilities. They could make money by charging to see the various monuments. (monuments they would not have if the States did not srnd the money to build them

    Governments do not produce wealth. they never have and they never will. Governments consume wealth. How many times have you heard one of the clowns from the Fed. Govt. say how the Fed. Govt is going to help someone. The truth is that they can not even help themselves say nothing about helping someone else. the truth is that Government can not help anyone because they do not have anything. the only way the Govt can help a citizen is to steal the mony from another citizen.

    If the States stopped sending money to the Federal Government the Fed. Govt. would dry up and blow away.The States can exist without the Fed. Govt. but the Fed Govt. can not exist without the States.

    • charlie

      Mr. Roark has a good understanding of the subject that government cannot and does not help people. PEOPLE HELP PEOPLE! I am dumbfounded by the ignorance of the American electorate that believes that government is the provider for people. Obama is waging a good campaign that is telling these “dumbed down” folks that it is government that makes America a success, not the rich who make the investments, provide the jobs by which the economy is made strong. It has been said countless times: “I never had a job working for a poor man”. Government if we permit it, will leave us all poor, and totally dependent on government. That philosophy is pure Marxism.

      I have known for a long time that there was two major obstacles to a Marxist style takeover of America. The first is that religion is what made America what she is. I don’t care if that is denied, even by those who are supposedly on the right. It is a fact. Read and learn our national history. Secondly, we still have the right to “keep and bear arms”. That means that we can still resist any, MAY GOD FORBID, any military encroachment on our freedoms. Our religious faith is being constantly attacked, and our gun rights are under seige. Remove these two, and you will be kissing America good bye!

    • http://Aol Ken Bennett

      I’m sick and tired of all the have nots complaining about the rich. They need to turn off the TV and get up off of their lazy ass and work as hard as the rich and see if they can surpass them.

      Also, How poor is O’bummer and how much tax has he paid? The jerk has never had a real job.

      • Kent

        I LOVE IT Google Barry Santos
        The muslim anti american Hitler

      • macgyver1948

        Kent… You have no idea what real evil is in a Hitler but I bet the Koch family knows and they are using it here in their new ways with all kinds of TEA.

        For you to call Obama a Hitler clearly shows you are a little know-nothing who drives himself on temper tantrums and hate. Have a cup of TEA and relax…

    • http://PersonalLiberty.cm David

      Greats words. Truth all the way. We need to put this kind of thinking into the schools.

      • macgyver1948

        David. “To save the Nation we must concentrate on wealth producing jobs. (not all jobs produce wealth) “. You like that and the rest and I do too but we should be realistic and address what is.

        People need enough wages so they can afford the house and the hair cuts. There will be not much spending if people have very little disposable money because what they do have will go toward living. It is a fact that minimum wage jobs are life struggling entities, unless you are living off of mommy and/or daddy as well. People should do the minimum wage thing while working toward bettering themselves because not many will help us with that unless we are trying. When I went to college I worked for a bank as a lousy wage earner but I had goals. Yeah right, good for me and who cares but me?

        Now from the execs point of view concerning low paying jobs and minimum wage. This is not my opinion because I worked with execs of some very large corporations as well as some small corporations in my time.

        Payroll is in fact an expense. Payroll is the easiest expense to control. Execs’ main goals are to increase the bottom line and keep expenses down along with protecting the Corporations reputation. In other words, put as much money at the top as they can and keep it there along with having the public love them. It is all for the benefit and protection of the corporation.

        In order for execs to continue their huge salaries and bonuses and perks they must do the above so the huge corporate investors and their boards are happy. If the execs do not keep their bosses happy their contract renewals may never come. So jobs are created and waged only as needed to accomplish the Exec goals.

        Questions. Where is the incentive for execs to create jobs when they really can? Which political party seems to be protecting what execs want more than the other party?

    • Kent

      Are you backing a Prrsident that is who you think he is?
      Google Barry Santos Barack Obama and see what you get. Then convince me that all of that is correct.

    • Abraham Douglas

      if the gov is not producing wealthy people why are sooo many of you sooo rich, why not
      quit your job and let some poor person have a job. the very people that try to control our live’s and keep us poor are getting rich of the same gov. that they hate!!!
      you are owed nothing!!! you are getting rich by keeping others poor and dependent.

    • Stan Heitbrink

      This country can only be put back together the way it was originally created. God, Bullets, citizens willing to die for what they believe in, and willing to lose everything if necessary for true freedom; as well as taking the taxing reins off big business; which creates small businesses. Looks kinda hopeless, doesn’t it ?

    • Bill Fox

      Wealth is an illusion. All things belong to the next generation, even the molecules that make us up. We determine how this wealth is passed. Wealth is finite. There are only so many molecules available on the planet. We determine how they are distributed. Historically, the very view have possessed the most wealth, but a great many have had very satisfactory lives with what they received. As the population of the earth increases and we waste more and more resources on things that deprive the least able of the basics of food, water, clothing, shelter, and good health, then collectively, we suffer physically, as well as spiritually. I choose to share my resourses because I am blessed. I do not have the right to force others to share their resources. I do not envy the rich. I may want some of the things they have, but all I want is the honest opportunity to earn it. The wealthy do not owe me anything. I am not really a conservative, and I certainly am not a liberal. Collectively we have to solve the issue of how the wealth will be distributed: voluntarily or through force. To the best of my ability, I choose voluntarily. You must choose, because, one way or the other, the basic needs will be satisfied.

    • http://rojomo62722att.net Boib Moore

      At last someone spoke the truth. The government (and politicians) are parasites that live off of productive efferts of the private sector. Politico’s are not public servants but leaches
      who vote themselves more salary than most of the people they represent. Because we have put up with it, I guess we get what we deserve!

    • Marti Zettel Thelma

      Obama does not owe us!
      Without control by a government, big companies abuse the rights of employees, or as in the case over the past twenty years and more, kicked American employees off of their payrolls, and placed their companies overseas for cheap labor and still keeps the cost of the products at a high rate of return for themselves. How sad that the nation of fools exist that think other wise!

      • macgyver1948

        Marti Zettel Thelma… Obama owes those who voted him in and are supporting him and he would say that too. You are so right about corporations though and the Founders screamed about corporate influence and their power over Government if left unchecked. The Founders feared Corporations. The Founders spoke of “Separation Of Corporation and State” but I think they might have left that up to the states and I also believe that was a mistake. Here is one of my favorite quotes but there are so many speeches and letters by the Founders concerning the corporate menace.

        “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

        “This corruption we speak of comes from corporate greed and the eagerness of many of our politicians to take corporate money in order to support them”. Macgyver1948 – :-) )).

        That was fun.

    • SJJolly

      ” All around the country you have Military bases.military shipyards, depos etc. these activities do not produce wealth. they are in fact liabilities.” The same can be said about police stations and fire stations, schools, hospitals, banks, air traffic control terminals, etc., etc. They don’t produce wealth, as Mr. Roark so narrowly defines it, no. But, without them, the wealth producers would have to perform the functions themselves, or be severely handycapped doing without. I.e., without police business would have to maintain an armed security force or pay protection money; without a national military, business would be open to seizure by foreign invaders (ala the American Indian experience).

    • B Lank

      You are out-of-your-mind nuts (literally) to even say the states can do just fine without the federal government, let alone promote it. To ignore history is just plain stupid and idiotic. Jeez!

    • afdbghq

      How very true. The only money the government has is what it takes from the citizens. I get so angry when I hear someone say it the governments money. There was one government program that actually paid for itself. That was the space program. This program returned two dollars for every dollar spent because of all the innovations invented and developed to support the space program. Computers, microwave ovens, VCRs, are just a small example of technology developed from the space program and converted to civilian use. People bought these items which generated taxes. Companies were begun to produce the technology which hired people who received a paycheck and paid taxes on their earnings. Stores who sold the items had to hire additional people with knowledge of the new technology to sell the items. They got paid and as a result paid taxes. The list of companies that either expanded or were created is extensive.

      The bottom line was that many companies were started which required hiring workers which resulted in other companies being expanded or started. So what was the only federal program this president gutted? The space program.

      Yes, federal tax dollars are spent on the program, but as a result much of the technology and knowledge gained is translated into civilian use and sold to the public thus expanding the tax base and as a result garners increased base which pays taxes.

      • macgyver1948

        afdbghq…. You said “I get so angry when I hear someone say it the governments money”. I do not get angry about it because it is so laughable. I remember a talk show in the 90s where the subject was Welfare on some level. Many were complaining about the many who did not deserve welfare either at all or past a certain point. One (silly) woman stood up and said something like “I do not know why so many here are hating the giving of welfare money since it isn’t your money, it is the Government’s”. Well, I fell of the couch when I heard her say that. WOW was she jumped all over for being stupid.

        I think a point to welfare should include education and how it is used and managed. We really need a welfare program for those who really need and deserve it but we must get rid of all welfare fraud at all levels. I feel we need it because we should be compassionate but not suckers. We should not be as apathetic as some in government are in order to support whom they are supporting to save their puppet masters the money.

        The space program is a great program for so many reasons as you say and it needs to be supported for our futures.

    • truesoy

      Howard Roark;

      Stop for a minute and read your comment, again.
      “If the States stop sending money to the Federal Gocernment the Fedral Government would dry up and blow away”
      Good. Now lets see what happens then, Skippy.
      a) the States will become ‘independent nations with a central governmentthat you and everyone else in the State will have to pay TAXES to support. In essence what you would have done is reduce it to State size. And now pitty the red States like Mississippi with a non-sufficient production to stand financially on its own. And that is not the only State that depends on the federal government.
      The irony in what you, conservatives want to do, is that the most liberal states like California would be able to stand on its own.
      Any other bright ideas there, Mr. h. Roark?.

      Sincerely,
      Truesoy

    • Bruce Sutton

      Who stole my line? I’ve been saying that for almost 2 years. The states should control the federal spending by each state deciding how much to remit to the feds and the feds have to make do with what they get and NO more.

    • Jurgy

      The Federal Government was created for only two purposes – the common defense of the states, and to facilitate commerce between the states. Everything else was left to the states – laws, education, tax collection and spending, etc etc etc. Nowadays, the Federal Government should still have only 2 purposes – the common defense (not war), and to facilitate a common infrastructure (commerce, transportation, communications, power, water) – stuff that is for the common good of all the states. The Federal Gov’t was never charted to do any of the other stuff it does today (like mess with the economy) – and the only reason it does “the other stuff” is because of the Congress, whose members act in their own self-interest. And it is our fault for allowing our elected officials to use and abuse the power we grant them.

      • truesoy

        Jurgy;

        The Federal Government was not found, as you assume, with such limited scope for if you read our Constitution you will finde such thins as the ‘necessary clause’ and also things like to provide for ‘the general welfare’. Also you should be interested to know that at the beginning of our nation there was a Federal Government property TAX. Also there was a whiskey tax, etc.
        Just food for thought….

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • Mrs Smoak

      A real job if they say your fired,No birth certificate A for real one,you can’t or I should say use to,you can’t even marry,work etc. Many ETC.! he is a want a be dictator We don’t need more government! They would be in debt with a lemon aid stand,Oh I don’t doubt there honestly Extremely gun laws,because then only criminals would get them,jobs sure they care so much what a joke.
      And health care his,oh yes spread the wealth,IF he AND OTHERS CARE SO MUCH,WHY DO THEY EVEN TAKE PAY? ITS NOT A POOR MAN THAT WOULD EVER HAVE A CHANCE AT ANY TITLE IN government! PRAYER out This country was built on Gods Word.And God is in full control not any human!Other countries someone found there,they kill us,& this what use to be America is not america? Supreme court,put in there 4 life should not be! IN GOD WE TRUST NOT Man!

    • http://www.prisonplanet.com;www.abovetopsecret.com;www.beforeitsnews.com Enternaught

      Let’s use an alternative approach. EXAMPLE: If a child gets rotten teeth from eating candy, what do you do ? Instead of taking the kid to the dentist, & treating the symptom, TAKE AWAY THE CAUSE – ” the C A N D Y “…??
      Referring to OUR MONEY = Candy / the rotten teeth are the Federal Agencies, & the government is the child.
      How about this “PARENTAL APPROACH” ?
      Demand your employer allow you to change your W-4 status. Change it to EXEMPT ! STOP PAYING THESE TAXES (?) created by the Federal Reserve & IRS, from GROUND ZERO = Your Paycheck ??? …
      FOR ALMOST 100 YEARS THEY HAVE TOLD US TO DO THIS….why are we listening to them, in regards to this
      If you wanna still pay any taxes after a year- DO IT THEN. You will have had all year to accumulate interest on money you let them take out each week (/month). The whole sysytem was established on Vountary Compliance. IT’S ONLY MANDATORY ONCE YOU’VE SIGNED YOUR NAME !
      ya feel me ? The “ROTTEN TEETH” need to be extracted, NOT FILLED, CAPPED, OR CROWNED,….. to save the child.{ & no, I’m not a dentist ! }

    • http://yahoomail Joseph

      This administration scares me.

  • Don

    King odumbo is a mad dog, what do you do with a mad dog ?

  • bobgood1

    I have noticed, in the last few years that the Left-Winged Liberals quote Obama’s talking Points word for word like a flock of Mocking Birds. It’s like Liberals have no original speech of their owm. Someone in an earlier post says it won’t make any differance which candidate. One World Order group is directing OB’s policies & plans. He is surrounded by Communists, marxists, Muslim radicals in Key Gov. jobs. Progressives have taken over the DNC and is trying to infiltrate the RNC. Obama doesn’t understand the American people. He and his handlers are trying to create European Socialism here in this country. As his recent statement, trying to convince us that we need Big Gov. and can’t exist without it, is falling on deaf ears for the most part. We aren’t all gullible or sheep. Some Groups in this country have never been Patriotic. There may come a time when you choose Freedom or Socialist domination by Government. One thing for sure, Romney is not a Communist.

    • Elaine

      And he is definitely a citizen and who he claims to be. We know who he is and what he’s done. He’s not my first choice, but neither do I think he’s under the thumb of Soros and others like him who are trying to make us into a slave / Marxist / Socialist / Communist people.

  • Melody

    I also would add… government seems eager to get their greedy hands on the profits from successful businesses and want to be worship that they ” allowed” you to be successful… which is a crock…. but then with that viewpoint… shouldn’t government then be blamed for when your business doesn’t succeed??? Then that is the governments fault????? How come they don’t take the blame for everytime a business goes under???? Don’t exactly hear the government stepping up to take the blame!!!! Can;t have it both ways….. but then again these are stupid liberal socialist…this is what they do…. they don’t know how to do anything else…. trashy people.

  • john

    He (King Obuma)wants to bring America to it’s knees so he can become dictator (Anti-Christ). He want’s everyone stupid and dependant on government (Anti-Christ). Can you say Moooooooooo. It’s too late now, there’s no stopping the one world government (Anti-Christ), It’s here! Better find the LORD! He will be our FINAL KING!!!

    • eddie47d

      Hey John did you think of that verbiage all by yourself or did you have government help? LOL! At least you did get the final sentence correct.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Who are you referring to? Possibly you would want to disregard the Constitution and make the country a Monarchy.

      • eddie47d

        Nadzieja seems to have bought into the sleaze talk line hook and sinker.

    • flipped54

      Yes John, there will be a worldwide Kingdom and it will be ruled by Jehovah God and His Son. The present “System of Things” will cease to exist when this happens. Study His Word and we will be able to identify the signs and events leading to the culmination of His Kingdom.

  • Scott Foy

    Wayne while your political attacks on Obama are warranted he is a sell out, teleprompter reader everyone`s focus should be on something called (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report) all GOV agencies, states, municipalities, pension funds etc submit these once a year and it shows the enormous empire that has been built by collective GOV through global investments with tax payer money. If everyone would open their eyes and read these reports they would realize that we are being mislead as our wealth is being systematically stolen from us. These reports are not reported to the public but can be accessed on line and will show that collective GOV is crying short falls & deficits when in reality there is TRILLIONS in surplus from investments to cover these. AND THIS IS OUR MONEY

  • the big easy

    Not only is he the ‘FOOD STAMP’ president,but now he is also ‘the PINK SLIP’ president,almost 20% of the country is UNEMPLOYED.————What a flea-infested flea-bagger puke————————-

    • Elaine

      Well, why would anyone want to work if they can get unemployment for almost 2 years when gas is higher than many make to be able to pay for it? Then to get unemployment with no taxes taken out, food stamps, no baby sitter expenses, no car expenses, no extra clothes, etc. Welfare figures would be higher if the true unemployment rate was reflected as intended. We’re now subsidizing a higher welfare payment under another name.

  • http://freelarrysinclair.wordpress.com/ freelarrysinclair

    Yeah. Are you folks honestly going to run the whole campaign on quotes taken out of context? I don’t doubt that you can sell those lies. But don’t go whining about how 1984 presaged the current climate while you’re actively engaging in doublespeak.

    “But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.”

    Good luck with that, Skippy.

    • DaveH

      Which quote was that, Skippy?

      • JeffH

        Skippy? Don’t you mean free larry-curly-moe?

      • JeffH
      • DaveH

        The stooges were the ones who voted for them.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        JeffH, priceless!!! ROFLMAO…

      • JeffH

        Jay, It’s because of you that I remembered seeing that picture before…I just haven’t figured out how to resize it for an avatar.

        “Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard!”

    • DaveH

      Haven’t we heard, JeffH, that Obama’s quotes were “taken out of context” over and over again by the Progressives? Yet, they never provide any proof. And now this stooge is trying to turn the tables and accuse us of Propaganda.

      • JeffH

        Yep…and they consider themselves to be “independent thinkers” and how often do you “hear” a liberal or a progressive refer to O’man as a moderate…yeah right, Bush was a conservative too and we’re better off now than 4 years ago. You just can’t fix stupid.

      • macgyver1948

        I continue to read on here remarks such as “Haven’t we heard, JeffH, that Obama’s quotes were “taken out of context” over and over again by the Progressives? Yet, they never provide any proof”.

        “Yet, they never provide any proof”. What is the point to provide proof, as in URL links, if people refuse to follow up on it and choose to believe only what they are told to believe. Why waste time looking at potential proof when it is easier to let others to think for you.

        I have offered the URL link to Obama’s speech maybe 6 times here but I am now assuming you just do not want to know the truth. Listen to animated people such as Root because it is easier to support his hate, and yours, for Obama. Truth and proof will just waste your time and get in the way. Root is an out-of-context hate monger and to watch him all I see is animation. Just like Goofy from Disney but not nearly as honorable. Have some TEA and relax…

      • JeffH

        I’m still waiting for the proof free larry-curly-moe has gathered to prove his accusations directed at Mr. Livingston.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Don’t hold your breath JeffH and DaveH, poor moe is still trying to figure out what double-speak means, much less provide proof for his idiotic drools.

  • Wes McKay

    An Open Letter to … mr. obama

    You stated … ” If you are successful … you did not do it on your own ”

    Well sir, please explain to me, what you did in the success of Our Olympian Athletes, that gives you the right to ‘ TAX ‘ the Medals They Won ?

    You are charging them:

    $ 8,986 … for Gold
    $ 5,385 … for Silver
    $ 3,502 … for Bronze

    So Please explain to me … as a Hard-Working-Tax-Paying-American …

    What part did you play in their …

    Years of Grueling Training
    Sacrifices of … Time, Family, and Life Style
    Expenses for Training, Special Diet, Equipment, and Medical Expenses
    Dedication to a goal of being the Best They Can Be
    Travel Expenses to Various Training Facilities
    Travel Expenses to Various Competition Events

    Where were you while all this was going on ?
    Where was your Financial Support ?
    Where you there Supporting and Cheering Them on and I just didn’t see you ?

    OR … mr. obama

    Do you just come in at the end and … Collect On The Achievement of The Results ?

    That is … ” Taxation Without Representation ”

    Remember … what happened to England !

    WE … will not start a revolution to correct your … GREED !

    But WE Will Use the Most Powerful Weapon in the World Today !

    The ‘ VOTE ‘ in November … and Retire You and Send You Home !

    God Bless America, Our Military, and Our Olympian Athletes, and All Who Love Them

    • Power To The People

      Yea….change is coming for the golfer-in-chief as he exits “his house”!

    • Karolyn

      income is income. The Olympic athletes are paid by the government for winning. Why should they not be taxed? Taxing of income is not Obama’s fault. The medals themselves are really not worth much.
      http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/olympics.asp

      • Elaine

        Why would someone be taxed for being better, though? Tax on actual income is one thing. Tax on rewards or merits is another. It seems to me that would be like “Teacher of the Year” award would be taxed for being a better teacher.

      • Karolyn

        Elaine – The better they are, the more money they get.

      • DaveH

        The only “fair” tax would be a head tax (every adult pays the same). The Income Tax was developed to take advantage of human nature since so many people suffer from the deadly sin of envy, thus allowing the Politicians to gather more money from the people.
        The bottom line is that we all pay the taxes directly or indirectly through higher product prices or services, lost jobs, or taxes.

      • macgyver1948

        DaveH… You say “The only “fair” tax would be a head tax (every adult pays the same)”.

        If you are referring to a flat tax where everyone pays the same percentage of all income, including Capital Gains and all other ‘income” for the year, that would be cool. It would, however, have to mean all eliminations of loopholes and deductions or it wouldn’t be fair and it wouldn’t really work.

        For example, the guy who makes $25,000 a year pays the exact same percentage, whatever is decided on for the flat tax, as Sam Walton’s heirs or Bill Gates, NO EXCEPTION. If you, as an individual or a corporation, earn it you pay the (flat) tax. I also would like to see that earned money being taxed only once.

        It has been suggested before and I do not see it happening because to many very wealthy people complained and their “influenced”, very wealthy or not, “representatives” helped to deny it. I guess they felt it wasn’t fair to their “wealthiness”.

        Then you say “The bottom line is that we all pay the taxes directly or indirectly through higher product prices or services, lost jobs, or taxes”.

        I am not exactly so sure how you mean this. We do not pay taxes, our selves as consumers, through “higher product prices or services”, we just pay the dealer’s higher prices and they should pay the additional differences in taxes on what they earned from us. The only other difference to us is the higher the cost of the “product or services” the higher the sales tax. But if Corporations can pass on their increased expenses to the consumer so can Government I guess. We do not have a lot to say about it. I know it is a small point of difference from what you say but I wanted to comment since I wasn’t sure of your intent.

      • Winddrinker

        What about taxing that huge solid gold necklace that hung to obumscums waist, given to him as a gift by the king of saudi arabia! There were photos of him wearing it, and I want to know if that was that Taxed!!

        By the way, the illegal foreigner is nothing but a product of “affirmative action!”
        Limbaugh had a call from a Harvard graduate that told him about this muslim. First off, the person wanted to know how the foreigner every got into Occidental because they had tough qualifications for admissions. The students admitted must have been in the top 15% of the class, and needed to have been “class president” or “captain of a sports team” or other such accomplishments. In toher words, Occidental took only the best students, especially at that time.

        Since the illegal stated in his book that he was a bad student, had poor grades, and was into drugs and booze, how did he qualify to be a student at Occidental. Affirmative Action or a big donation from mentors was the only he could have gotten into Occidental..take your pick. THAT is what this foreigner means when he says that “nobody does it on their own” because HE sure didn’t do it on his own! There is no explaination as to why he left Occidental, either. One day he was just “gone.”

        The person went on to say that this illegal foreigner had the lowest grads of any Harvard student, ever!! The professors covered for him when he didn’t come to class, fulfill the Law Review responsbilities or make the grades.There it is again, He couldn’t do it on his own, and get his degree like everyone else. No wonder all his transcripts, admission information, and everything else has been “lock-up tight” by the Court!! Everything that Americans have been told has been lies…it is all fiction! But, it is no wonder that this uneducated cretin has the idea that “people are not successful because of their intelligence and business acument.” That is not his personal experience…he was propelled to the presidency with no education or qualifications. And, the group behind his ascent to the throne are not going to sit by and watch their “boy” lose an election.

      • truesoy

        winddrinker;

        I think you are drinking more than just wind….!
        …and you quote from Rush? now I really know you’re nutsssssssssss.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • Karolyn

        wind – Anybody can make a phone call and say they are whoever they want to be; and the listener will sop it up if it furthers his agenda

    • flipped54

      Wes, here is an assessment of the tax by PolitiFact on the winnings of gold medalists. It is not a tax on the medal but a tax on the cash winnings. They are taxed just like any other American is taxed. I worked very hard when I was farming for over 23 years and did alot of hard, dirty work with long hours. I paid taxes on those earnings up to a 90ish% progressive tax back then. I now own enough property to have a comfortable retirement along with Social Security and Medicare. I would like to play the world’s smallest violin for them. Here is the assessment and the link to the article. It would be best to read the entire article to dispute your misleading claim. I also added a link to the benefits for a country with a progressive tax system.

      “Americans for Tax Reform is correct that gold medalists’ winnings are taxable, and it provides some leeway by saying that U.S. winners could be taxed up to $9,000.

      Still, it’s not likely that anyone would pay that much per medal in taxes — even if the winner was fortunate enough to have annual income well over $380,000 and refused to deduct any business expenses on their winnings. Any accountant worth their salt should be able to get the rate of tax on medal winnings much below $9,000, and maybe even to zero. We rate the statement Mostly False.”

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/01/americans-tax-reform/do-olympic-medalists-owe-9000-irs/

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/08/progressive-tax-rates_n_953885.html

    • Elaine

      Wes McKay says:
      August 2, 2012 at 8:42 am

      gives you the right to ‘ TAX ‘ the Medals They Won ?

      You are charging them:

      $ 8,986 … for Gold
      $ 5,385 … for Silver
      $ 3,502 … for Bronze
      ~~~~~~~~

      This is appalling!! Has this ever happened at any of the other Olympics by any other administration? If so, was it the same values? Do other countries do the same? I really doubt that they would want to ever sell them.

      • Karolyn

        Elaine – As I have already posted, they get taxed on what they are paid by the USA. The medals are not worth that much on their own. Please see the link I posted that gives a rundown of how much the countries pay their winners. Britain doesn’t give them anything.

      • macgyver1948

        Karolyn… Also it was not Obama’s doing to tax the winning medals. That dubious honor we can bestow on the Gipper’s admin.

    • eddie47d

      Wes McKay is trying to turn the tax on the Olympic Medals into an Obama issue. The tax code for those medals was established under Ronald Reagan in 1986 .and in today’s dollars the Gold Medal is worth about $675. Why have some of you fallen for his misstatements?

      • macgyver1948

        eddie47d… You said “Wes McKay is trying to turn the tax on the Olympic Medals into an Obama issue. The tax code for those medals was established under Ronald Reagan in 1986 .and in today’s dollars the Gold Medal is worth about $675. Why have some of you fallen for his misstatements?”.

        True but to answer your question “Why have some of you fallen for his misstatements?”. Well, maybe because TEA thinkers are told what to believe. Just as they are told Obama is the biggest spender when in fact, since President Eisenhower, Reagan and GW were hugely 1 and 2 respectively in spending and Obama is the smallest spender since IKE. I wonder why too.

        See the chart and the story at http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/ so we can all wonder why.

  • Lee Krupski

    Obama has lied since he took office, and no matter the amount of proof available, the libs still deny it’s existence, they just keep their head in the sand and their hands out, won’t, can’t last forever. too bad libs, keep telling yourself lies like Obama, the truth will hit you soon! Believe it or not, I feel for you.. No wealth, no money for your social agenda, just keep telling yourself how rich people are “bad” while you rummage through their trash, trying to find something to eat, at least it’s a job!

    • Power To The People

      Those rich people didn’t get it themselves….they owe the unions, the feds, Obummer, progressives, all the special interests that support redistribution.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        It is not to our benefit to lump the “rich” together in one catagory because it is easier than having to distinguish between the rich who created their own business by their own volition or the rich who became rich because the government put their competitors out of the running.

      • DaveH

        Good Comment, Nad.

  • Winddrinker

    obumscum hasn’t a clue how Americans think since he is an illegal foreigner with no idea what this country is about or how it was founded. He grew up speaking arabic and going to a madrassa, and living in a muslim country… Personality is complete by the time one is seven years old and that is formed by “parenting tapes” recorded in one’s mind. He took in what was going on around him in a different country, with a different culture. He is the culmination of those experiences. He is not one of us and must depend on his handlers. Who made the decisions for hundreds of thousands of sets of riot gear, and four Million rounds of hollow point ammo. Troops are being moved back into this country and being armed for …what! We may just find out in the next one hundred days.

  • Betsy Elling

    I’m not a business owner but you are DEAD ON!!! This little arrogant, Petulent man-child does have every thing completely backwards and upide down. He Should be thanking everyone of us who pays taxes. I wish we could take his salary and perks away and see if MUCHelle buys a 7000.00 dollar jacket on us anymore. There all criminals and should be jailed. That,s how I really feel!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Mr. and Mrs. O would say that they are putting people to work when she buys expensive jackets. The farmer, the designer, the sewer, the thread makers, etc., etc.. We don’t see things the same way as the O couple do.
      Play the Devil’s Advocate in your own mind and you may see how the Leftist mind works.

      • Karolyn

        Aren’t you the one who always talks of liberals being jealous when speaking of the rich spending money?

      • DaveH

        Their own money, Karolyn, which they earned from voluntary customers, not money taken by force from other people.

    • eddie47d

      Anyone in power should tone down their arrogance whether a fat cat on the right or the left. Those who brag about earning their wealth while shafting those who have lost their jobs are pathetic souls. Too many of the 1-2% have done just that. Small business owners should be weary of them also for they could just as easily be taking you over and they wouldn’t be losing any sleep over it either.

      • DaveH

        I don’t know who they are, Eddie. I do know who you are. A guy who belonged to Unions his whole life. Unions who advance by coercing their employers at the expense of the employer, replacement workers, and their customers.

      • eddie47d

        Use your noggin Dave! Think of the Walmarts who go into communities and shut down small businesses. All is not good in that paradise world you keep invoking.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        noggin: a small quantity of liquor, typically a quarter of a pint.

    • Elaine

      Betsy Elling says:
      August 2, 2012 at 8:21 am

      The jacket reminds me of the following:

      The Philippine government today is still paying interest in public debts incurred during Marcos’ administration. It was reported that, when Marcos fled, U.S. Customs agents discovered 24 suitcases of gold bricks and diamond jewelry hidden in diaper bags and in addition, certificates for gold bullion valued in the billions of dollars were allegedly among the personal properties he, his family, his cronies and business partners surreptitiously took with them when the Reagan administration provided them safe passage to Hawaii. When the presidential mansion was seized, it was discovered that Imelda Marcos had over 2700 pairs of shoes in her closet.

      Also, with all the travel mentioned for the “O or S or ?” family, I’ve not heard of the trip to England for the Olympics, but there she was sitting front row at the swim meet on the first day. By front row, I don’t mean with the audience, but down in the pool area, not that that’s the important point. The important point was no mention that I’ve heard that she had gone. MSM still at it in hiding things from us or had I just missed it?

      • DaveH

        No, they wouldn’t hide it. They want to give her lots of face time, because so many people cast their votes based on such superficial things.

  • Joe the Rag Man

    Mr. Root, while most all you say in your speech is true, the premise is incorrect. Most ‘support’ is given without the expectation of repayment. While it is true that if you watch the edited versions of President Obama’s speech you could easily come to the conclusion which you reached, if you watched the actual event you would not. The media spins everything said or done by any of the candidates to their own view regardless of the real action. I didn’t see anywhere the claim that business owners OWE the government, only that those who feel that they did everything themselves should re access those feelings and acknowledge that through school, bank loans, tax breaks etc. they were ‘helped’ in their endeavor. Romney has run a business but I’m sure that the degrees he earned at Harvard helped him do so. Parents either through encouragement or even sometimes scorn (reverse encouragement) influence the paths of their children. Very few people act without any type of influence and that influence should be recognized. That is the message I got from the speech.

    • DaveH

      The entire speech for those who care:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzf4yjphgf8

      Why would he be saying those things? Could it be that he’s trying to soften people up for more redistribution of the wealth? Nah, Obama wouldn’t do that, would he?

    • DaveH

      Joe says — “Very few people act without any type of influence and that influence should be recognized”.
      Why? Those were either voluntary gifted actions with no strings attached, or they were voluntary contractual actions in which both parties exchanged something (money for knowledge, etc.).
      Progressives are great at giving people something they didn’t ask for, and in the case of Big Government many didn’t even want, then making everybody pay for those things that many didn’t want, and then using those unsolicited gifts to the users of the Government programs to guilt them if they resist further intrusion into their pocketbooks for even more Social programs.
      Resist the Progressives!

    • listener

      Joe, you don’t have a clue ! If all the businesses in the USA quit paying taxes to the fed,how long would it take the imposter to figure out a fast way to leave the country and hide?

      • eddie47d

        Maybe if we didn’t have the Irwin Schiff’s in America cunningly conning us into breaking the law we wouldn’t be in such as mess. The right tried to make Schiff an anti-tax champion when he was nothing more than a thief and now a felon (12 years). He could have committed tax fraud all by himself but no he had to drag others into his false schemes.

      • JeffH

        eddie says “…he had to drag others into his false schemes.”

        Ah yes eddie, the same way you’ve been drug into the Marxist schemes? Class warfare, class envy, crony capitalist, redistribution, anti capitalist, facts are lies and lies are facts, two party system, anti-American dream.

        You are just another of many Marxist/socialist/progressive/communist tools being used to destroy American freedom and American sovereignty.

      • DaveH

        So trying to keep the Government from stealing your money is now Theft, Eddie?
        Only in twisted Progressive minds.

      • eddie47d

        So Dave H are you saying a tax cheater and felon is your hero. A man who’s actions caused millions more to have to pay more because of his cunning. There is a difference in keeping what is yours and refusing to pay anything.

      • eddie47d

        I never cheat on my taxes Jeff so your rambling ca ca bull is getting boring. Maybe you are the one with something to hide?

      • JeffH

        eddie ramble on incoherently and says DUH! “I never cheat on my taxes Jeff so your rambling ca ca bull is getting boring. Maybe you are the one with something to hide?”

        Now show me where I or anyone said you cheated on your taxes. You’re one sick puppy eddie…seek help!

      • eddie47d

        Your the one defending a known tax cheat Jeff. Shouldn’t that explain it all. Wolf Wolf!

    • Jefferson Thomas

      @eddie47…how could he (Schiff) commit tax fraud when the fraud he was supposed to have committed is against a fraudulent, illegal, unconstitutional theft called the income tax? What a chuckle head. You seem to think that because you state an erroneous premise that all people automatically accept it.

      • eddie47d

        Nothing erronous about what I said and you have every right to not like the Income Tax. The place to do that is at the Supreme Court so where is that organization doing that for you or anyone else? Schiff was doing it more for personal gain than some high moral principle.

      • Jefferson Thomas

        @eddie47….Producing something of value for exchange in the FREE ENTERPRISE MARKET that people voluntarily exchange values for in which a person makes a profit is one of the highest moral values. Not only does that person enrich themselves, they enrich others around them by increasing the quality of human life.

        The biggest thieves are in the US senate, CONgress, and executive branch who want increase their power base and wealth at the expense of others. The supreme court is made up of political appointees. Almost all pretense of an independent judiciary is gone.

        Here is your free clue…government is force, coercion, and fraud when it has severe limitations removed from it. It still operates by these methods even when severely limited. Can you come to a logical conclusion from this information eddie?

        Tell your fairy tales to someone who doesn’t know any better.

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    Is the President really that stupid when he doesn’t have a scriptwriter or a teleprompter? He absolutely needs to curb his tongue when he opens his mouth to try to fool folks that he knows what he is talking about on a lot of subjects. Cannot think of one at the moment where he would qualify as being completely competent or knowledgeable He really needs to join the bufoons in Hollywood who also know nothing about being a real person. That is where he really feels at home – with all the folks who actually haven’t a clue who they really are because they are always pretending to be what they are not. Sound familiar?

  • Jonathan

    Look you guy’s, you think Mit is going to do any better? Think again, he’s just as bad as Obama. THE REPUBLICANS ARE JUST AS BAD AS THE DEMOCRATS!!!!!!! Things aren’t going to get any better with Mit Romney in office than they are right now. The One World Order wants this country to fail and it’s not just Obama that they control, it’s all of them but a precious few.

    • DaveH

      For Personal Liberty, Individual Responsibility, Limited Government, Free Markets, and PEACE — Vote Libertarian!
      http://libertarianparty.org/

      • vieteravet

        ueah, you vote libertarian and Obama will be president again! A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama!~

      • DaveH

        A vote for Romney is a vote for more of the same.

      • SamFox

        Actually, a vote for Mitt is the real vote for 0. These 2 phonies are the same. Just like 0 & GWB. 0 is doing what GW did. Nothing has changed but the brand. We went from R to D. That’s all that changed. OOOPPPS! A correction….

        0 is different in that he is doing the Bush thing faster. Not a good difference.

        Mitt will do the same as 0. That’s why the RNC, fringe stream media, CINO-RINOs,Dems & progs tried to bury Ron Paul. Ron is the only major candidate who is outside the establishment system box.

        Ron is still in the race. He changed tactics, but he is still in there fighting for the restoration of the Constitution as the guide for US govt.

        SamFox

    • Power To The People

      I agree…the parties are irrelevant, the cause is what matters to the progressives that are part of the NWO. Obummer is a pawn of the movement and his actions are meant to reduce the US to a third rate player just as he noted he father wanted in his book.

      No surprise here!

    • moonbeam

      You’re right, Jonathon. Mitt is absolutely no good for this country. What gets me is people are calling for Marco Rubio to be his VP. Rubio is not a natural born citizen and can not be anybody’s VP.

      Mitt is lying to people when he says the first thing he will do is repeal obamacare. He will do nothing of the sort. He will do like all others before him. He will serve himself and ram his beliefs down our throats. And we will do just as we are doing now. Standing with our thumbs up our rear ends bitching, moaning and complaining how we don’t like this or that.

      We keep forgetting, for some odd reason, that We the People have a Constitution that gives us the POWER to get rid of tyrannical governments. What are we waiting for, or shall I say what are we afraid of?

      • DaveH
      • truesoy

        moonbeam;

        Rubio is a natural born citizen and no less than Romney whose father was born in Mexico.
        Rubio was born in the U.S. But what makes him not qulify are his lousy ideas., that’s all.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • JeffH

        truesoy, try educating yourself on “natural born citizen”.
        Rubio is a 14th Amendment citizen..a citizen “by the pen” and therefore could never be “natural born”.

        MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
        The Court in Minor did make a direct holding that Mrs. Minor was, in fact, a US citizen. The Court established her citizenship by definining the “class” of “natural-born citizens” as those born in the US to “parents” who were citizens.

        Obama’s father was a British subject and was never a US citizen and therefore Obama could never be a “natural born citizen”.

        The independent ground the Court used to determine that Virginia Minor was a US citizen is stated as follows:

        “Additions might always be made to the citizenship of the United States in two ways: first, by birth, and second, by naturalization. This is apparent from the Constitution itself, for it provides that ‘No person except a natural-born citizen or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the office of President,’ …

        “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. “
        http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/minor-v-happersett-is-binding-precedent-as-to-the-constitutional-definition-of-a-natural-born-citizen/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Marco Rubio was born in Miami, Fla., on May 28, 1971, to Mario and Oriales Rubio who were born in Cuba. Therefore, not “natural born” citizen. Case closed!

      • truesoy

        Jay;

        But if Rubio, though born in the US is not a natural born citizen because his parents were born in Cuba, then neither is Romney a ‘natural’ born citizen because his father was born in Mexico.
        What do you have to say about that?

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • bobgood1

        his father was born in Mexico, but it was on us government property ( ie like a military base or embassy )

      • truesoy

        bobgood1;

        Negative Skippy, for 1) we have no military bases in Mexico and 2) his grandfather was not in the military and 3) his grandfather was fleeing american law against poligamy.
        Are we clear now?

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        George Romney was born in a Mormon colony in Chihuahua, Mexico, to American citizen parents which bestowed American citizenship upon him (Jus sanguinis).

        Although a citizen, George Romney was never a “natural born” citizen.

        When George Romney’s parents fled the United States with their children because of the federal government’s opposition to polygamy they did not lose their American citizenship.

        Gaskell Romney, George Romney’s father, was born on September, 22 1871, in St. George, Washington, Utah. He’s an American citizen by birth.

        Anna Amelia Pratt Romney, George Romney’s mother, was born on May 6, 1876, in Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah. She’s an American citizen by birth and marriage — remember this is pre-19th Amendment, when a woman’s citizenship was derived from her husband’s.

        Mitt Romney’s parents were both American citizens when Mitt was born in Detroit, Michigan on March 12, 1947.

        One thing that ther Mormons get right is genealogy.

        Mitt Romney was born in the USA (jus solis) of American citizen parents (Jus sanguinis) and is eligible to serve as POTUS.

      • truesoy

        Jay;
        ..and still does not change the fact he remained a Mexican citizen in accordance with mexican constitution.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Regardless, the original focus of your inquiry was mitt romney’s eligibility. Mitt Romney is eligible…period! Is he my choice? Not a chance, and neither is obama my choice. I consider both to be; wall-street-puppets.

      • macgyver1948

        Jay… It doesn’t have to be Obama but… WHY would anybody want ROMNEY? Romney is eligible to run for president, not argument there. But he kills what wont benefit himself and his investors as his primary objectives.. He says he participated in the baptisms of dead people (something very anti-Constitutional), even Jews, so that proves he is against “Freedom Of Religion” unless it meets his religious choice. He speaks to the audience of the moment and he is a puppet of the far right wing, big money. He takes his insult and vocal slips act on the road in order to insult other countries. His just released tax plan is a BUSH plan in drag so the middle class will pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy – his kind – AGAIN.

        I would be very nervous if he had to chat with leaders of Russia, China, Iran, Egypt and Israel (Yeah Israel, they too know he is anti other religions which do not match his and that he is a phony as well) so I ask again. WHY would anybody want ROMNEY? I know you said you wouldn’t so good for you even though you are also against Obama.

  • dan

    DON”T FEED THE BEAST….some might call me passive aggressive,but when you get locked-up for being a tax protester or speaking your mind,then you are reduced to voting with your feet….not that leaving will let you escape the long arm of the BEAST …it just makes things as difficult as possible.

  • DaveH

    Wayne says — “Even ignorant leftists and socialists can’t intelligently argue with that”.
    I haven’t seen them argue intelligently about ANYTHING on this board.

    • eddie47d

      Your “facts” aren’t always a grand slam Dave H but you have gotten good at the name calling in various comments. I enjoy some of your information but don’t pat yourself on the back too hard.

      • Oneguess

        Why don’t you look in a mirror?

      • JeffH

        eddie, you’re just a Marxist tool fool. Obama’s latest fundraising video was specifically targeting people just like yourself…not a clue Marxist tool fools.

      • DaveH

        I would not pat my back, Eddie, at anything I do to keep you around.

      • Paul Wells

        Eddie is just a “useful idiot”, a great term coined by none other than Lenin himself! He wouldn’t recognize the truth if it hit him between his crossed eyes!

      • eddie47d

        I knew once Ron Paul was out of the picture Jeff and his gang would lower their standards and become bitter old Republicans. Didn’t take much time for you to slide down a couple of notches and join their dark side. . Yes Paul Wells there are plenty of “useful idiots” to go around.

      • JeffH

        eddie, you’re just a simpleton and an ignorant one at that. I know you haven’t any proof to your statement, so that make you a liar…again!
        FYI, you don’t no squat, never have and never will.
        Polly want another cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk!

      • eddie47d

        Don’t kid yourself Jeff there are plenty of Libertarians who will vote for Romney just to keep Obama out of another term. Deal with reality Jeff and lay off the sheep ranching!

  • natureswayfish@aol.com

    My guess is that not one of the lefty libs who attempt to defend their ridiculous ideology will not respond to Wayne’s assertions, as it is impossible to argue against his logic in this article. Instead they’ll settle for calling him names like racist, uneducated, hater, etc. Any takers libs?

    • Chester

      Don’t HAVE to call him anything, as he does enough of that without MY help. Before he says another word, I want him to swear on the stack of bibles he wants me to use that he will never again use a government supplied commodity or resource. I have no idea what he is going to walk on or drive on, where he is going to go to take a dump or get a drink unless he moves far out in the country where he has to dig his own well and septic system, and walk only on private land to get to the nearest store to buy those things he is unable to provide for himself. We use so many things supplied by the government and think nothing about it, but let a pothole develop in the paved road in front of your house, and who is the first to go crying to the city council, or the local roads and bridges committee to get it fixed. Who gets screamed at when your water system fails, just as long as it is not on YOUR side of the meter. In a lot of towns, lights and heat are supplied to the customers by the city as well, and bet your bottom dollar that if something goes wrong with the power or the gas, you are going to be on city hall. Without all those things, how does anyone build anything, let alone a business? I saw one man put it right, although he was the one with the idea, it was the CUSTOMERS who built his business, and without some way of getting to him, usually something provided by the government, the customers would NOT have been there.

      • Curt

        Chester Mollester
        All paid by TAX DOLLARS. Or did that point escape your narrow liberal/demoncrap mind? The government did NOT pay for any of it. Damned straight, if I lost water or anything else you whine about, I am gonna be calling to get it taken care of. My TAX DOLLARS pay for those services. Do you REALLY think government provides those services free of charge? If you do, then you’re as brain dead as O’crap.

      • Oneguess

        Morons unite!

      • DaveH

        Okay, Chester, first you help yourself to other peoples’ unwilling money to implement your own pet programs, then you try to tell them they shouldn’t get some of it back when they satisfy the requirements?

        Chester says — “We use so many things supplied by the government and think nothing about it, but let a pothole develop in the paved road in front of your house, and who is the first to go crying to the city council, or the local roads and bridges committee to get it fixed”.
        Why shouldn’t they expect what they were forced to pay for? And in fact they almost always pay more than they could have aquired the same services for from the Private Sector. Except they can’t use a private service because the Government has a Monopoly.

        Chester says — “Without all those things, how does anyone build anything, let alone a business?”.
        Without the interference of Government they would have those things, they would pay less for them, and they would get courteous service.

        Chester says — “it was the CUSTOMERS who built his business …, and without some way of getting to him, usually something provided by the government, the customers would NOT have been there”.
        No Chester, the business owner built his business, the customers just shopped around and chose his business for their own personal reasons (cheaper prices, better service, etc.). It’s a mutually beneficial relationship. The business couldn’t exist without pleasing the customers, and the customers wouldn’t be pleased if the business didn’t exist. If the Progressives get their way, we will be stuck with the latter.
        And before Big Government, businesses did build the roads for customers to access them more easily:
        http://mises.org/journals/scholar/internal.pdf

    • Karolyn

      This is just a replay of the blog from a few days ago. Why should we waste our breath? Tired of beating a dead horse. Doesn’t Root have anything better or newer to blog about?

      • Oneguess

        Don’t YOU have anything better to do than spew your leftist cr@p here? Get a life.

      • Karolyn

        Na-na-na-na-na! Why don’t you?

      • DaveH

        Where’s the love, Karolyn?

  • Sgt. York

    where does this eightball think the money comes from to do all these Great Projects that have,as he says, given private business all the help provided by the dang GoV? its time to wake up Pres your just a figure head and a poor one at that. We made our own way no thanks to you.

    • 2centsworth

      Yeah, where does he think the money comes from that the elite, and bankers, and Obama and the Senators, and Congress keep ripping off from us? Where does the trillions of dollars for the black ops, secret budget for underground facilities for the elite to escape to come from? (Besides the Government drug dealing, arms sales, and child trafficking) Anyone who votes for this Arab sand n needs to go with him to his home in Costa Rica which he has bought with “secret” money hidden in his various offshore accounts.

      • Elaine

        2centsworth says:
        August 2, 2012 at 9:52 am

        Anyone who votes for this Arab sand n needs to go with him to his home in Costa Rica which he has bought with “secret” money hidden in his various offshore accounts.
        ~~~~~
        Amen to that.

        That $49.2 million with matching funds for much of it was his seed money for the $73 K he gets each month just in dividends. And he talks about the rich as if they are different from him. He’s one of those rich but he’s trying to stir up a class warfare. But the ones who can’t understand that probably won’t ever read anything about it. Those here who read it and won’t understand it have to be delusional or co-conspirators in arms.

        Someone with a lot of power had to have been there to put him in charge of those Chicago school grants, though. But look at the background for Chicago. And then for the government to give those grants to Chicago and not require any results from it was typical government inadequacy and /or corruptness, also.

      • moonbeam

        Elaine says “Anyone who votes for this Arab sand n” Was that really necessary? I don’t like Obama either, but damn you racist mofos just can’t keep that awful word out of your putrid filthy mouths. Your tongue needs to turn black and rot right out of your mouth or maybe your fingers need to swell and curl up for typing that crap.

      • DaveH

        Moonbeam,
        Elaine was quoting 2centsworth, although she did say she agreed with it (but maybe didn’t think about the racial slur?).
        At any rate, there was certainly no call for it, but if I let the name-calling from every ignorant poster get to me, I would have been off of here a long time ago.

  • hipshotpercusion

    O-Bozo hasn’t got a clue because unlike some of us, he has never run a small business or spent any time in the real work force. At least Mittens and Dr. Paul have held real jobs an ran a business.

    • Chester

      Hate to tell you this, but our friend Mitt has never actually WORKED for a living a day in his life, outside of the time he spent doing missionary work, and that was NOT working for a living. He has done NO manual labor, done NO one on one customer service where the customer’s complaint could cost him his living. Servicing accounts for people with multiple millions of dollars to play with is nothing like doing customer service at the retail level. Far less risk to him, and the potential for a lot more gain. As far as Dr. Paul, I will give him credit for having earned that title, and having served in an area that too few doctors are willing to take on. Oh, he did REFUSE to serve the poorest people, unless they could lay cash money in his hands. It is reported that he would reduce his rates for people who couldn’t afford to pay the full load, but he would not take the guaranteed money from Medicare and Medicaid. So you have two people named there, one of whom you claim has a work history, and the other of which doesn’t even have a right to speak at the Republican convention.

      • Elaine

        Chester says:
        August 2, 2012 at 9:46 am

        Hate to tell you this, but our friend Mitt has never actually WORKED for a living a day in his life, outside of the time he spent doing missionary work, and that was NOT working for a living. He has done NO manual labor, done NO one on one customer service where the customer’s complaint could cost him his living.
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Wow!!! What is your definition of working? Manual labor only? My husband is a programmer with tremendous abilities but with your definition, he’s never worked a day in his life. What he does is basically what you describe as Romney’s job. He services accounts for other people who have more money to pay him for what he does. That is a JOB. That is working for a living. No accounts serviced, no money coming in. No money coming in, no job.

        Some people are just so obtuse.

      • DaveH

        Chester,
        Venture Capitalists provide or secure the funding for start-up companies, many of whom were responsible for the electronic gadgets that we can’t live without today. Without those Venture Capitalists we wouldn’t have anywhere near the standards of living we have today. If you think what they do is so easy, why don’t you and your Progressive buddies pool your money together and have the easy life (sure).
        As far as Ron Paul goes:
        First of all I don’t just take a Liberal’s word for anything since they have a regular habit of fabricating facts. So how about backing that claim up with some references? But even if Ron wouldn’t serve people who couldn’t or wouldn’t pay, why not? How many of you Liberals would work for free? In fact, many of your kind don’t even want to work for their money, they just want to steal it from others.
        As far as Medicare goes, many doctors just get tired of jumping through the Government hoops, and putting up with meddlesome busybodies who interject themselves between the Doctors and the Patients.
        Of course it’s easy for you Liberals to say what they should or shouldn’t do. It’s always easy to make somebody else’s choices.

      • Paul Wells

        Oh, don’t try to explain anything to Chester, his brain (if he even has one!) would explode. All the left can understand is take, take, take, and give no credit to anyone who has built something of value in this country, and lay around with their freakin’ hands out!

      • eddie47d

        A few like to brag up Venture Capitalism but some were the gamblers of Wall Street who milked our economy to death and exploited the wealth of our nation. A more appropriate name would be Vulture Capitalists. Not all was right in that dream world of excess.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, you’re an uneducated envy-driven man who doesn’t have the slightest clue what he’s talking about. If you’re going to denigrate a whole category of people, at least have the dignity to post some references even if their facts are fabricated like yours are.

      • eddie47d

        Bingo! You never bring up the vultures on Wall Street so why is your word worth anything. Maybe when you stop being so selective .

    • Elaine

      O-Bozo!!!! I like that!!! :-)

  • nc

    Mr. Livingston, all conspiracy theories are a “PERHAPS” until they are proved! Next to breathing, nothing comes easier to a conservative than creating a good conspiracy involving their enemies! See your video and Freedom Fighters beauty above

    • DaveH

      What do you think Obama’s going to do, NC, tell the truth?

      • don

        he’ll tell everyone what they wanna hear. all the way from running against hillary in08 till now. fool everyone as much as possible with big promises that will never be kept and answers to all problems. a true amatuer.

      • Elaine

        Have y’all seen that our “government” is trying to take over the water of NM?

        http://times247.com/articles/feds-suing-to-control-new-mexico-s-water-supply

        If that happens to NM, then who’s next? And in times of extreme drought, what do you think people would have to do to get water to even drink? What was the James Bond movie about that very thing?

        Systemic failure at the very core.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rich.knoch Rich Knoch

      NC . . . . have you checked out how much the National debt has increased under obama, how much spending has increased and how much unemployment has increased?

      To save you the keystrokes . . . . I assume you will blame it all on G.W.?

      • Chester

        Well, Rich, for a fact, a good bit of that increase can be dropped squarely in GW’s lap. Who started all the unfunded conflicts, then kept on with them? Who pushed tax CUTS for the upper class, with a little teaser tossed to the middle class? Reagan proved that trickle down doesn’t work, yet all you ultra-conservatives keep hollering taxes are too high on the RICH, kind of like your name. All trickle down economics does is make the rich richer, while the poor keep on paying for everything. Think I am wrong, go out and try living on what someone at the lower end has for income, after taxes and all, somewhere south of two hundred a week. If you can find a halfway decent place to live, some sort of an old beater of a car that won’t break down every other day to drive, and food enough to put on the table regularly with that income, you are cheating somewhere, or else you were EXTREMELY lucky in your available choices.

      • DaveH

        Chester says — “Well, Rich, for a fact, a good bit of that increase can be dropped squarely in GW’s lap. Who started all the unfunded conflicts, then kept on with them?”.
        Who kept on with them? Obama.

        Chester says — “Reagan proved that trickle down doesn’t work”.
        Reagan proved that “trickle down” (Liberal slang) doesn’t work? No, Chester, Reagan proved that no matter how much the President wants to cut the size of Government, the Free Spending Congress can thwart him.
        Reagan issued 78 vetoes, more than any other president of my generation, but 9 of them were overridden by the Rabidly Spending Congress.

        Chester says — “All trickle down economics does is make the rich richer, while the poor keep on paying for everything”.
        Certainly better than the Trickle up Poverty as promoted by Progressives. What keeps the poor, Chester, from getting together and starting their own companies?

        Chester thinks the poor live on $200 a week. Sorry, Chester, but of the official “poor” in this country:
        • 76 percent have air conditioning
        • 66 percent have more than two rooms of living space per person
        • 97 percent own at least one color television
        • 62 percent have either cable or satellite television
        • Almost 75 percent of households own a car (30 percent own two
        or more)
        • 73 percent own microwave ovens
        • More than 50 percent have stereos
        • 33 percent have automatic dishwashers
        • 99 percent have refrigerators
        • Virtually none lack running water or flushing toilets
        • 46 percent own their own home, the average of which is a three
        bedroom house with 1.5 baths, that has a carport and porch or
        patio, and the average value of which is 70 percent of the median
        American home.
        From “The Case for Legalizing Capitalism”, Chapter 7, page 313:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        Contrast that with countries who practice the kind of Socialism that the Progressives root for here.

      • MAP

        DaveH, these are far too many facts. Given facts or the dream, facts will be discarded, the dream embraced, and Chester will be back here tomorrow spewing the same nonsense. It was a good attempt, though.

      • DaveH

        Most likely.

    • Ladybug

      nc, aren’t you ashamed to show the whole world how absolutely stupid you are? where is the ‘conspiracy’ in the article above? What Mr. Root says is just the plain, naked, blatantly obvious truth! It has nothing to do with any party or political view, it is plain COMMON SENSE, but that POS in the WH, the Thief-In-Chief is too stupid to understand that or he does not want to understand it because it would not help him to steal more money from the American people. Without us, the hard working people he would not get paid either!! and his dumb wife could not steal all those millions for herself and her 22 assistants, because she is too stupid to do anything by herself or with 1 assistant, and all those professional moochers would not get their food stamps and checks for doing nothing. WE paid for all the infrastructure with our tax dollars; the government just took our money, they did not make it!

      • Winddrinker

        Both the illegal foreigner and his “fake” wife were beneficiaries of “Affirmative Action.”
        Neither are very smart, and still aren’t. Both lost their licenses to practice law. The illegal foreigner never tried a case, never submitted a Motion to the Court or wrote a brief.They are a disgrace to the Presidency and to this Nation. They have no class, but instead act like “trash off the streets” that just won the lottery!

        Limbaugh said that he had a caller from a Harvard graduate and was told that the foreigner set a record by having the worse grades of any student every attending Harvard. The professors covered for his bad grades, his not attending classes and not taking care of the Harvard Law Review responsibilities.. No wonder all his records have been hidden at a cost of Millions! By the way, how did the Barry (that got very poor grades, didn’t attend classes,because he was too busy doing drugs and alcohol) ever get into Occidental… This is how the foreigner described himself in his book during that time. Was it Affirmative Actiont hat got him into Occidental? And, with less than spectacular transcripts, how did he get into Harvard and supposedly graduate…

    • eddie47d

      There is room for debate on both sides Ladybug and not everything is as clear cut as it seems. Zuckerberg’s friend Edward Saverin who went to live in Singapore was mentioned. We live in a worldwide economy and business entrepreneurs from every part of the globe move to various countries. Saverin is an investor who’s main holdings happen to be in Singapore such as the Anideo Company. More importantly he is a Brazilian citizen who invested in Facebook and has no obligation to America. He has not given up his Brazilian citizenship to live in Singapore. Denise Rich was also mentioned as “escaping” America. Some of that had to do with political reasoning not financial. Besides she also loves Austria and can do her work as a songwriter from there. Some folks love visiting foreign countries and eventually move there and has nothing to do with hating America. My neighbor now has their house on the market and will be moving south of Guanauanto Mexico soon. They are as white as can be but love the easy going lifestyle that region has to offer and their decision has nothing to do with dislikes America.

      • Elaine

        I don’t think anyone mentioned that they were moving because they HATED America. They just don’t want to pay the high taxes and are moving to where they can keep more of their money. The same thing happened to GB when some of their top earners were paying 110% of their income years ago. Stupid of the British government, wasn’t it? They had the same philosophy that BHO has. Tax the rich more and more because they don’t pay enough.

        That’s a ploy, though. Our taxes have gone up tremendously and we don’t even make the $250,000 dollars mentioned as the basement amount. But for one thing, 85% of SS is taxed if they keep working and make “too much”. That is terrible to me.

        I doubt that the pensions of the House and Senate are taxed that much, if at all.

        I’m thinking about looking for another place to live myself. We already had to leave my home state of TX because of illegals taking over our neighborhood and seeing that it wasn’t get any better if we moved within the state. That was more than 2 decades ago.

      • Richard Pawley

        I had a chapter in my 2006 autobiography on the economy, the soon coming stock market crash, and such like. In in I mentioned that about 185,000 Americans a year were then leaving the country. We now know it was between 200,000 and 300,000 a year (one tenth of the number currently leaving). I was fortunate to be able to interview some of those who left and six out of seven said the reason was the economy. One out of seven said it was America’s declining morality. It would be interesting to see what they would say today.

      • DaveH

        Elaine says — “But for one thing, 85% of SS is taxed if they keep working and make “too much”. That is terrible to me”.
        It’s not only “terrible” but it’s downright ignorant. It surprises me how many of the ignorant Progressives really believe that the old people are taking their jobs, when in fact those old people are adding to the overall productivity of the country, thus producing more and cheaper goods and services. There is no such thing as a fixed number of jobs. If we had Free Markets with the Government’s nosy nose out of them, everybody who wants to work would be able to work.

      • truesoy

        DaveH,

        There has never been a ‘free’ market in the image you pretend to see. The government of the United States has always been an active participant, either regulating the market, or putting money into it. And that is how we’d been as successful as we have.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • eddie47d

        There are many more worldwide opportunities for Americans so their is nothing unusual about people seeking their fortunes or comfortable lifestyles elsewhere. What wasn’t mentioned is the hundreds of thousands of foreigners who still come to America to prosper. Our colleges are filled with students from India and China etc and some choose to stay. Not EVERYTHING is hunky dory in in those two countries and we still have opportunities here.

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “There has never been a ‘free’ market in the image you pretend to see”.
        There has also never been perfection, Truesoy. Does that mean we shouldn’t strive for it?
        Do you Progressives ever tire of repeating your same old nonsensical talking points, Truesoy?
        There were very nearly Free Markets in the late 18th century and early and late 19th century and they were times of great prosperity.
        Read this book to learn more:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

        Also, in 1900 total Government Spending was 6% of the GDP. Now Government spends over 40% of our GDP. What do we get for 13X bigger Government? Bad economies and less Freedom.

      • DaveH

        And there have been many examples of what the Progressive Dream of Socialism brings to countries. Socialism isn’t moral, it stifle the human spirit, and it results in bad economies. What exactly is it about Socialism that attracts you Progressives, Truesoy? Is it that you feel kinship with failure?
        All anybody need do is study this ranking of countries based on their Government’s involvement in the economy to see that your Socialist Dream is a Wet Dream:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

      • truesoy

        DaveH,

        If socialism is ‘not moral’ as you claim, are you then implying that the ‘State of Israel’ is not a moral State? you are aware Israel is a socialist state with a thriving economy, aren’t you? , and just like other socialist countries in Europe have thriving economies.
        And how about their health care system? The other day while visiting Israel, Romney heap praise on their outstanding health care system. I guess Romney doesn’t know yet that Israel has ‘socialized medicine’.
        This is more proof that conservatives believe in thing they don’t understand.
        Just food for thought, DaveH!!!!.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

  • MAP

    This is far too much reality for the leftists/Marxists posting at this site. They will now appear with the ‘doctored’ facts, fabricated by the Liar-in-Chief and his administration of freaks, to prove the entire argument given here is false. After all, they’ll whine, the Obamanation is intent on destroying all existing order, a necessary prelude to utopia.

    Yet, these idiots fail to recognize that it is the taxpayer that pays for their insane ‘hope and change’ delusion and the parasite base they use for support. And many, many of these same taxpayers are becoming hostile at the radical agenda that is being crammed down their throat, against their will, at their own expense. How much longer before these taxpayers revolt? That day rapidly approaches. Those afflicted with the leftist mental disease better tread softly with the knowledge that they are a mere minority. I doubt this country will become another Soviet Union without a fight.

    • MAP

      Some of Obama’s support at our expense:

      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/31/illegals-released-feds-19-murders-142-sex-crimes/

      These are dark days for America!

      • Bill sharma

        Hello MAP
        I dont know where or what state you live in, I hope it is better then soviet union where there no taxes,no rights , no free press and at best education. If you dont like our system, you are free along with your cronies to move another country. I am tired of your tea party (expletive deleted) about our government. If you dont like to pay taxes move some place else, I was employer and employed 15 people and at one time 40 people and gladly paid my share of the employer based taxes. And it is tyhose taxes that support the Road briges airports hospitals. It is rge same taxes that support your schools universities research and development of new technologies, would like to loose your cell phone, internet your ATM technologies and the people, such labor union,teacher,rtoadworker and lastly all the crooked politiciaN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AILSES. Then lets not talk about the special interest like the mega farmers in the midwest, cattle farmers who milk the Government by asking for crop insurances. Then you want to talk about President Obama who got there by his hard work and community service, you want to be the president, you would not even last one day. People like you only know how to tear down some one, perhaps you and tea partiers should go and find cactus and embrace it with allof your might and leave people who don’t watch Fox News leave us alone. God Bless this country and alal of the people in this country, that includes you.

      • SamFox

        at Bill sharma, your initials are bs,. Coincidence? :-)

        No one is saying no taxes at all. We ARE saying we are Taxed Enough Already. Most of what fed govt spend $ on is illegal. You need to go the bottom line, not pretend what they are doing is legit.

        Another thing you miss: If the fed govt lived by the Constitution they would not need nearly so much of OUR $$$.

      • SamFox

        Let me finish the post. It got messed up & posted to soon.

        At

        Bill sharma. Bill your initials are BS,. Coincidence? :-)

        No one is saying no taxes at all. We ARE saying we are Taxed Enough Already. Most of what fed govt spends in the 1st place is illegal. You need to go the bottom line, not pretend what they are doing is legit.

        Another bottom line you skip over & you miss: If the fed govt lived by the Constitution they would not need nearly so much of OUR $$$. If the US is not broke, why all the borrowing? Besides to collapse the system?

        Ron Paul has this figured out. That is one reason he is the best candidate running.
        Ron would take US & the fed govt back to the Constitution. That is WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO GO!!

        Thanks.

        SamFox

    • Elaine

      I’m not so sure about fighting not to become another Soviet Union. Look at TSA, a mind control agency. They can do whatever they want and the air travelers pretty much have to take it. But those are the law-abiding citizens. At the same time, those coming in illegally aren’t subjected to anything like that humiliation or submissiveness. From what I’ve read, they aren’t even being sent back, but those are the places the terrorists will be entering our country.

      Further, “If we don’t write the checks, you don’t get paid. Or do you think money grows on trees?”. Isn’t the answer “Yes” when they just print more money or create more out of thin air by a flick of the wrists like the Fed Reserve does? And now we know that the Fed Reserve has nothing to do with our government, so I don’t understand their purpose or why they get to print money using our money. Oh, yes. It’s a debt repayment from the 1930′s, isn’t it? Or is it a duping by our government?

      • DaveH

        Their purpose? To enrich themselves, and to allow Government to easily grow bigger with money borrowed from them.
        We can thank Woodrow Wilson for paving the way for Big Government growth with the 16th Amendment, the 17th Amendment, and the Federal Reserve Act.

      • MAP

        Elaine, Pat Buchanan addressed some of your thoughts in a recent column. I’m not the diehard Republican he is. But his analysis is correct. The radicals have been slowly building their support of a parasite base and have drastically altered the very character of the country in the process. Those that actually pay the taxes are being disinherited as a consequence. We are becoming a third world country.
        http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan255.html

  • FreedomFighter

    “So far it’s a trickle of ultra rich who are leaving. Soon, if Obama is re-elected, it will become a torrent”

    These are the same people that pay the lions share of taxes. Can you say “systemic failure”?

    IMHO Obama wants a failure of the system, then he takes control with martial law and becomes the dictator, and he can finally rid himself of that pesky constitution and congress.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Mike

      If the economy collapses and he declares martial law, he will most likely be fighting both sides. Those that take and those that no longer are willing to give.

      • John the Libertarian

        Mike- you mean those who are no longer willing to be coerced…

      • Randy131

        Mike, if Obama is re-elected, you’ll find out first hand who will be fighting who, and I’m telling you now when Martial Law is instituted by Obama, there will be many fogeign troops on USA soil to protect him and Congress, for most of American’s in the military will refuse to fire on citizens (their fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and friends), just as is going on in Syria with all the Army defections. It’s coming, you bettter be prepared.

      • macgyver1948

        Randy132… Although I will always hope you are wrong with “…when Martial Law is instituted…” I will also hope you are right about our troops refusing orders to fire on us. We do know of the madness in the Nazi military where the troops were more afraid of their superiors than God, for example, to disobey their superiors. I also think/hope if troops from overseas come here our troops will fight them on our soil along with us.

        Our Government belongs to us, “We The People”, so in the case of foreign troops coming here, at our governments request, the Government would become the domestic enemy and we would have the legal right to take it back. The Founding Fathers said something to that affect. Let’s just hope it doesn’t come to that.

      • truesoy

        Randy131;

        …and have not you heard of the special forces from Mars that have secretly landed to protect the president in any event.
        Boy, it is all a secret, so don’t tell anyone else because this is only for you and I to know, and the little green guys too. By the way, I hear they are some really badass troops, and I wouldn’t mess with them.
        Well, I didn’t mean to scare you, just to let you know.
        Bye, for now.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • truesoy

        Randy131;

        ….and in other words, if Obama is re-elected, and he will, you’ll refused to accept the wish of the electorate, right?OHHHH, I love your love for democracy, and your patriotism and your respect for the Constitution.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

      A failure of the system will most definitely happen if we fail to raise our income to a functioning level. IOW, taxes have to go up in order to pay the bills. Bills that Congress authorized. Once those bills are authorized, Congress CANNOT legally NOT pay those bills. That was a SCOTUS ruling, and it hasn’t been changed. Right now, taxes are at the lowest that they’ve been in 100 years. In what way do you believe that lowering them even more will HELP our financial situation?

      It is, also, the reason why our credit rating was lowered last summer. Because the GOP even, at the very least, hinted that our debt ceiling (which is to pay the debts that Congress ALREADY approved, and that we ALREADY owe) was not going to be raised. Legally this country does not have the right to default on our bills. At all.

      • Vicki

        I have an idea. Lets eat the rich.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ

        And as Bill says. Now what?

      • DaveH

        You know, Tigeer, even if you have no morality and advocate for stealing other peoples’ money, in the long run by doing so you will destroy our prosperity by depleting the system of Capital used to buy plants and equipment. The rich and even the not so rich are much more inclined to invest their financial resources in capital equipment and plants than are the Government or the poor who just consume them. The Capital Equipment and Plants are what makes it possible to have the high standards of living that we still have. And don’t kid yourself, that can go away quickly if we start succumbing to the Progressive Siren Song.
        Even if you can’t understand logic, surely you can understand experience? The experience is that the Bigger the Government is, the Smaller their Economy is. Read this Free Report:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        Do you know that other people’s money (taxes) have:

        a) paid for your education
        b) paid for the research and development of many of the life’s saving medicines/drugs you or a member of your family has depended on and benefit from it.
        c) paid for the development / advancement of new medical procedures
        d) paid for the military to protect your interest and the interest of those 1oo times better off financially than you.
        e) paid for the police services you want
        f) paid for the Fire Dept. in case of fire, and for the fire rescue service in case of a medical emergency.
        g) paid for the Coast Guard to protect and save lives on the seas (even if you don’t have a boat, you pay) (they also do drug interdiction.
        h) Paid for you education so you would know how to write nonsenses on this blog (even people with no children paid taxes to educate you)
        i) etc, etc, etc……..

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • eddie47d

        Although Dave H can be financially savvy you can be assured he will deny everything on that list and many more items that are not on that list.

      • macgyver1948

        eddie47d… If Romney is elected his new GWBush induced tax plan, which lowers the wealthy’s tax burden again, will be paid for by raising middle class taxes. The GOP knows how to change the names of their stuff when they want to reuse it. Just as ObamaCare was blamed for fining people who do not have insurance until they get it. That too was a Romney thing when he was governor and it was not something Obama wanted in ObamaCare. With Romney we will get BAINed.

      • DaveH

        Truesoy says — “Do you know that other people’s money (taxes) have:
        a) paid for your education
        b) yada, yada, yada.

        What I know, Truesoy, is that I did not solicit those gifts, and that I did pay for them — about 4 times as much as the average taxpayer.
        You see how it works, Folks? The Liberals/Progressives take somebody else’s unwilling money to give you a gift you did not solicit, and then they use that unsolicited gift in an effort to guilt you into going along with their program.
        Truesoy, so am I to gather that you would take an unsuspecting woman to dinner with your Dad’s money, and then afterward reveal to her that she owes you sex?
        You Progressives are a joke, a bad joke.

      • truesoy

        DaveH;

        OK, I’ll buy that that you did solicit those ‘gifts’, but then why did you accepted it, for it doesn’t matter how much you claimed to have paid, ti was not near enough to cover the cost of your education.
        And if you did not want it, then why do you accept medicines and medical procedures that came about for as you say ‘stealing’ other people’s money. You shoud have rejected it based on your ‘unshakable principals’.
        ….and I could go on, but I think you get the pictue, don’t you? (although I doubt your mind reaches that far)

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • SamFox

        truesoy, the biggest problem ‘progressive’ socialism has is running out of other people’s $$. Now that we are in bankruptcy [they just have yet to make it official] what is the govt gonna spend?

        Even if we took all the assets of those 0 wants to tax, we’d not make much of a dent in the nat debt, even without counting unfunded liabilities as part of the whole sum of what we owe.

        Don’t forget, the fed govt has over reached their LEGAL power many times over. Where in the Constitution does it give the fed govt ability to regulate most of what they seek to control? Where does the Const. say the govt needs to regulate education? What in the document authorizes the EPA, housing, giving out food stamps? That the POTUS can declare war all by himself? [List is much longer.]

        Just askin…:-)

        SamFox

      • macgyver1948

        Samfox, you said to truesoy, “the biggest problem ‘progressive’ socialism has is running out of other people’s $$. Now that we are in bankruptcy”.

        Jumping the gun a bit there are you? Or are you hoping we do go broke. You really should remember it wasn’t Obama who is the biggest spender since President Eisenhower, that dubious honor goes to Reagan and Bush in that order and Obama is the lowest spender since Ike. If you believe otherwise maybe it is because you were lied to and you choose to believe that lie too about Obama.

        So many people live from pay day to pay day because they do not earn enough to do any better, they are a month or so away from homelessness but most hold their own.

        We should also remember the spending levels have been raised for so many decades, perhaps over 100 times. Now we had our national credit rating drop from AAA and that takes longer than the 4 years Obama has almost had office for it to get that way. We are in a world off trouble because of that national credit rating drop as well as other things that are older than Obama’s admin.

        To borrow one of your tactics, “where in the Constitution” does it say to give Corporations “people rights”? In that and all the power corporate money has taken over our “Representatives” with it has for so long been one of the biggest causes for the situation our country is now in. And the corporate secrecy in “collusion” with government secrecy is killing us, IE, the betrayal of us by the SCOTUS with their support for groups like Citizens United – all for the benefit and protections of the Corporations’ need and wants over ours.

        There are other reasons for the fiscal shape our country is in but the notion that “Corporations are people” has been killing us about the most for a very long time. The Founders warned us of this.

        “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

        Think about it and also start thinking for yourself. Stop blaming others just because they are not Republicans and let’s all do this together for the sake of our country. The real enemy is Corporate thinking and their self serving desires and their hold on our “Representatives”. Thomas Jefferson, and others back then, spoke often of their fear for corporations and their big money influence on the Government. We need to learn from them on that too.

      • truesoy

        macgyver1948;

        …and without the intent to offend anyone, I will also add the church, for the church is also a corporation, and a most influential one because of its financial resources that coupled with its undue influence/control over their captive audience can tilt the balance of power one way or another in the political arena.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • macgyver1948

        tuesoy… I kind of like the idea of the religions in our country but with out any of their influence on those who aren’t of their “church”. They should never be able to influence our government and if they do they, those who do, should lose their tax exempt status. The churches influencing Government was feared on by the Founders so the put “Freedom Of Religion” in the Constitution for our individual protection. They talked about putting “Separation Of Church and State” in but maybe they felt that too should be left up to the states, as they did with “Separation OF Corporation And State”.

        The Founders were mostly Christian but some were of different churches/beliefs and they knew the dangers. I just wonder if they were looking down at us today if they are regretting not putting both the two mentioned “Separations” into the constitution because without them there are so many problems today. I say that even though I want God back in school and Government but with no mention of any singular ways of worshiping, just silent prayer so all can pray to God as they believe they should. It is not working as it is without both the “Separations” in the constitution. Hopefully they would.

      • SamFox

        TO macgyver1948tireer. Had to find the nearest ‘reply’ thingy.

        DEAR MODS,
        No offense, I thank you for this forum. But if you could please, is there any way to do the reply thing different? So that we can reply & have it stay in a ‘run’ of comments & replies that stay in order. Thank you.

        mac’48, Is ’48 your birth year? It’s mine. Just curious. “Will you still need me, will you still please me, when I’m 64?” :-)

        Please note that I do not mean this as an attack. Just clarifying.

        Any way, 0 has spent more per year in office than GWB. It took GW 8 years to add 4-5+ trill., which is horrendous. I posted against GW before, he is a RINO-CINO, like John McManchurian, Mitt & many in Congress in both ‘parties’.

        0 in less than 4 years has added 5 trill+ as well. 0′s ‘+’ is a bit larger than GW’s but I’ll not quibble. Both suck. Also I have not included how much MORE 0 has added since HIS 5+trill or the Unfunded Liabilities of each. I betcha if ya looked 0 is far ahead of GW in the spending dept. & that 0′s ULs are much higher.

        So, we see that 0 is on track to add a total of around 11+ trill if he gets back in. Who’d ya say the biggest spender is again??? Does it matter who the worst is? WE are the ones paying…Let’s investigate Ron Paul, deeply. Ron WOULD turn this around.

        I stick by bankruptcy. Have you counted unfunded liabilities? How in the heck is it possible to pay just the
        $15,938,388,???,??? debt deficit

        we owe NOW? I changed the last few 0′s to ? marks as the debt clock is running too fast there to put up the numbers.

        I got my figures from usdebtclock.org.

        At zerohedge.com an article from 2010 puts the debt over 25 TIRILL by ’25. I imagine they have raised that projection since then.

        Go to CBS News’ site & look up

        National Debt Has Increased More Under Obama Than Bush

        I do agree that much is Bush’s fault. He does deserve blame for what he started. Problem is, 0 is doing the same things. Where has 0 corrected ANY of GW’s overspending habits? Mr. 0 has not changed the fact the govt now spends & borrows more than when GW was in. What many fail to see is that GW was bad, but 0 is just as bad, & I think even worse.

        I agree that giving corps people rights is UN-Constitutional & WRONG!! I have never said other wise.

        Jefferson was also against a central bank, like the privately owned ‘Fed’. We B on same page there about Jeff & corps.

        I am not happy with either Dems or Repubs. I like Ron Paul, though he is an R. But he had to be to get any where. The rules are slanted so that for any 3rd party it’s almost impossible to gain traction. Ron was 1st a Libertarian, but had to change to get any where.

        I’ll be flipping off the R half of the ‘progressive’ ‘party’ after I vote for or write in Ron Paul. They both suck!!! Almost as bad as the Dem ‘progressives’. Collapsing the system as out lined by Cloward & Pivon has been going since the ‘Fed’ came in. It’s a LOTTA prezes & Congresses at fault. It just got much worse under GW & 0.

        SamFox

      • macgyver1948

        SamFox… I appreciate the good nature and none of the childishness with the name calling. Yes, the “1948” is my birth year, I was born in march of that year.

        We can get conflicting figures depending from whom we get them. And you are right, it shouldn’t matter so much who spends because, as you say, it is We The People who have to pay.

        I have certain problems with Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party in general. I am not good with Paul’s foreign policies and his feeling, and his son’s, on Social Security and others needed programs we might need when we retire. I am not so happy for The Libertarian Party for supporting David Koch (Koch was the Libertarian Party’s vice-presidential candidate in the 1980 presidential election), of the Koch family industries, for his Vice Presidential bid. How could they call themselves Libertarians and not know the Koch family history? I just do not trust them either.

        You say “How in the heck is it possible to pay just the $15,938,388,???,??? debt deficit we owe NOW?”. Do you mean that as part of the Bush uncured war debt? I really do not know, I never had a budget/ expense quite that hih, lol.. I was a Project and business analyst and my budgets for large corporations were controllable by me. This government mishandling is way beyond my knowledge and training. We have to get people in there how can figure out what is best for us and we have to stop that “primarily for the benefit and protection of the big corporations” practice by our “representatives”. The do work for us but it doesn’t so often seem that way.

        So much for so many years what led us to where we are economically has been the huge corporate influence on the Government (along with other smaller reasons), for their benefit. The founders warned us about Corporations so it much be the “give me your money” attitude the politicians have when it comes to selling their influence. We need to get secrecy of this influence peddling (very much reverse what the SCOTUS did in favor of the corporations with Citizen’s United, a body of big money for big money) out and we need to outlaw one sided governing, such as with all the corporate influence. We need to remember what the founders said about those corporate dangers. I bet the Founders and TEA of today and Romney’s vision of the type of businessman we need in the Oval Office would cause great conflict between them.

        I am not crazy about Obama but he has helped so many of the Middle class and that is not liked by the TEA owned GOP. But I see Obama as the best choice we have. I see the need to shrink Big Government but I do not want our government to turn into the Corporate Government. That would kill us and I see Romney as the corporate puppet in there to do that for them, after all, he is so much of them and not of us.

        It so much is as you say “It’s a LOTTA prezes & Congresses at fault. It just got much worse under GW & 0.” Our current and future, if not dealt with correctly, economic situation has been in the making for so many decades. I believe not a lot happens in our country without Congress and other Government design. That too has to stop since we (still) own the Government.

        I believe the answer lies in total Government Reform and that is totally up to us but it has to be done before it is to late.

        I know what you mean about this site and how it is programmed to not have it so easy for us to respond but I do not believe it was done intentionally. Programs have to reflect their design and if it wasn’t in the design, all the details, it is not generally not in the program. Maybe how it is here, technically, is how it was “asked” for. That is how it generally works. We just have to do the best we can here or go some place else.

      • Steve

        Nope,sorry, credit rating was lowered because debt is out stripping income!

      • macgyver1948

        Very true… “Assigned” ratings are assigned by how the ability to re-pay is perceived. That is how it is for us and Governments. We lost it…

      • Butch

        tigeer is an idiot. how do we get out of debt? First, stop spending. We can start w/ the unneeded , unwinnable and unwanted wars. then stop giving “aid” to other countries. Also, write off the “debt” to these central banks, they STOLE that money WITHOUT the consent of the people. the only way this can happen is if we KEEP our guns. Thats why Billary Clinton is trying to sell out the US to the UN to make us easier to control. Even Ron Paul said he would forgive teh debt that we “owe” the Federal Reserve. Those demonic POS thieves and liars stole our gold from Ft. Knox and have been responsible for virtually every war fought in the 20th century. tigeer is eager for us to pay the plunderers of our once great nation. i say pay them with lead.

      • SiliconDoc

        You’re a lying lunatic tlgeer, claiming that our rating was lowered because republicans hinted about not raising the debt ceiling.
        If you people weren’t both so stupid, and such pathetic lying idiots, the USA would be in a lot better shape.
        I can’t believe you’re that stupid, but you are – you said it, as stupid as it gets, that’s you.

      • SamFox

        tigeer, if you think the fed govt will suddenly get real & honest & be responsible with the $$ from tax increases & won’t waste the new income on excess spending, I have some bridges I can let you have cheap. One is in Brooklyn, the other is the Golden Gate. I may even be able to get ya the arch & the bridge in Missouri. :-)

        Higher, MUCH higher taxes are coming! Thanks to 0socialist Care. Or is it 0communist…no, maybe it’s 0fascist Care. Nope…must be 0marxist Care…oh well, what ever it is, that SCOTUS swing vote came from hell. There is no way that 0bama Care is really legal under the Constitution.

        If you think that new revenue will suddenly get Congress & the WH to actually be wise with it…God help the USA!!

        SamFox

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Since the beginning of time three class societies have only existed until they become two class, Lords and Serfs. Either the serfs learn to become middle class squeezing out Lords or the Lords trample on the middle class until they become serfs.

      • truesoy

        The Christian American;

        A ‘serf” . I know what that is, that is what conservatives strive for, and want everyone else to become one too.
        That is a conservative in the making because they bow to anyone’s richness for that is the proof of their ‘holy wisdom’.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        It must take some major rationality to convince yourself, Truesoy, that you have a right to steal other peoples’ money using Big Government as your Bully Boys.
        Ditch the green-eyed monster, he will bite you in the butt some day.
        No good can come from lusting after other peoples’ legally earned money.

    • Ed

      Just trying to reply to the misguided truesoy. No, Obama won’t be re-elected. The sheeple aren’t that stupid collectively, although some are, so your point is moot.

      • truesoy

        Ed;

        The sheeple aren’t that stupid collectively….
        Have you looked at yourself in the mirror, lately?

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • DaveH

        Looks like Obama is going to need to kill another “terrorist” to get his ratings back up:
        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

      • SamFox

        Ed, it’s not always the sheep. Now days there is a lot of black box vote fraud. Look up

        Black Box Vote Fraud

        We need to scrap the electronic vote counters & go back to hand counting the ballots.

        Also look for articles on

        Vote Fraud by Devvy Kidd.

        She blogs a lot from NewsWithViews.com.

        Vote fraud is a very serious issue. We need to know about it. People can just copy & past the 2 phrases in a web search.

        WARNING!! Finding out just how widespread vote fraud is may really P ya off! And that’s not counting all the fraud in registering voters [Think ACORN & other leftist groups] who are dead & so on.

        SamFox

      • http://incerely, truesoy

        SamFox;

        I’ll tellyou somethingthat is probably too difficult for you to comprehend;es, but here I go anyway:
        You live in a ‘liberal world’, and ironically you fight for conservative causes while enjoying the fruits of liberalism. And that is what’s wrong with conservatives; not because they don’t know, but worse yet. Because it is that they, conservatives, don’t know that they don’t know; hence the difficulty in having an intelligent dialogue with you, or the likes of you.

        S

      • macgyver1948

        SamFox…Black Box Vote Fraud can happen only when unscrupulous, dishonorable, and criminal minded foxes are in charge of the hen house. The Diebold Voting Machines are a good example of this as well. When you want the voting results to turn out a certain way call those foxes. :-) . The system that is used isn’t the problem when you have these foxes running around.

    • Winddrinker

      After he becomes dictator,
      the illegal foreigner can then start drilling for oil, gas, and restart the coal industry…he has been saving all those for himself! That would be a tidy bit of income, selling our natural resources out of country and poclketing the money.

    • Christin

      FreedomFighter,
      Mike,

      I Absolutely agree with you both.

      I ask: If obama wins the elction in Nov. (by voter fraud and corruption) and he kills what is good left in America… what is he a dictator of???

      America will be a mess of needy people and failed gov run businesses and gov policies, collapsed economically and people without basic needs (food, electricity medical and jobs) and none (except the few Elites on top) will be happy… it will be worst that a third world country… who wants to be king of that?

      • macgyver1948

        Christin… You are so right, who would want to be “king” of a collapsed society as you describe. Obama surly doesn’t and he is not wanting that.

        You said “ If obama wins the elction in Nov. (by voter fraud and corruption)”. Well it isn’t usually or recently the Dems who are guilty or assumed to be of “ (by voter fraud and corruption)”.

        Where the is smoke there is usually some fire. During the First GW Bush run for president there were accusations of hiding something with Hanging Chads” on the part of the Florida GOP. The recount wasn’t allowed to go to the end. Who was Governor of Florida during that time? :-) )). Then there was the accusations of voting machines being preprogrammed to give the GOP candidate more votes than he deserved, Diebold voting machines anyone?

        Oh, and let’s not forget the fact that Al Gore beat GW bushy in the Popular vote (Gore had more votes) but lost the election, what most of those who voted wanted, to The Electoral College. Who ordered that loss?

        Start doing your own thinking and find out for yourself.

      • truesoy

        Christin;

        Wrong, Christin. Obama is going to win the election because we the people want him to.
        And, no Christin, he is not destroying ‘your’ country, unlike the last guy that just about destroyed it.
        If anything, Obama saved us from total collapse.
        He saved our country’s economy. And he is our best choice for president.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • macgyver1948

        truesoy… We can only hope Romney loses but there is always the Electoral College to steal the election from the majority of voters and hanging chads and rigged voting machines and who knows what else to force Obama to lose as with Bush and Gore. We The People were cheated then and we lost big time with Bushisms because of that “theft”.

      • truesoy

        macgyver1948;

        I hear you but, be advised the republicans have unveiled their ‘new’ version of the ‘hanging chad’ , it is called ‘voters registration expungement and it is normally done in minority areas, and/or heavely democratic areas.
        This is democracy Republican Style!.
        ….but they are still gonna lose!.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • macgyver1948

        tuesoy…Yep, I know about the “ ’new’ version of the ‘hanging chad’, it is called ‘voters registration expungement “. It very much is a GOP thing. I am not sure why the GOP doesn’t like fairness in elections but they prove they won’t take the chance of losing.  I wish we could have prove the hanging chad thing and the pre-preprogrammed Diebold voting machines were all the way to the GOP top but we can’t. Diebold took all the hit on that one pretty much. Again it is nice to have your brother as Governor so you can have needed recounts terminated before they are finished. So much for the people choosing their leaders – Go Electoral College, please ‘get gone’ too. I wonder who the EC works for.

      • SiliconDoc

        Sounds like obama the dope will be the king again of Chicago’s southside, only then, it will be pretty much the entire USA.

        As barky the two time foreigner traitor looks down upon his destroyed southsided nation from the teleprompter for some ad lib, he’ll blame his notional greedy republicans who worship money and the old boy racist agenda, and of course, BUSH.

        Yep, looks very plausible, probable even.

      • http://www.facebook.com/sirwilliambolton William Wiley Bolton

        Who do you think paid for those roads and rails? I don’t care what the traitor says or who get’s the blame as I believe he should be taken now in handcuffs and prosecuted as a fraud and traitor. Has everyone searched Choom gang, Obama?

      • truesoy

        William W B;

        I think somebody is off his/her medication.
        You should go and take it right now, before the nurse gets mad at you.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy
        .

      • http://www.facebook.com/sirwilliambolton William Wiley Bolton

        Typical Demoncrap, slander the one that mentions the truth. You are probably a self medicating person like the prez.

      • SamFox

        Christin, that’s the plan. Collapse the system. It’s not the initial mess they are worried about. It’s that the govt will use the collapse to ‘re-boot’ the USA into a vassal state of the New World Order.

        As long as the handlers of the Bushes & 0 get Us collapsed, they don’t care what the nation looks like. As long as we are transformable to a totally centralized & planned all controlled BY the govt nation that they can shove underneath a one world govt they’ll be happy as pigs in poop.

        soybeans & a few others here are such out to lunch socialists/communists/ fascist/Marxist it’s very saddening. I guess those Homer Simpsons think big bro govt will give them a pass. Boy!! Do these useful idiots have a wake up call coming if their destroy the USA agenda succeeds.

        SamFox

      • truesoy

        SamFox;

        Are you and christin inmates in the same mental institutions, or across the street from each other?

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • http://www.facebook.com/sirwilliambolton William Wiley Bolton

        Too bad you’re not in the military with me in command over you. I smell a rat, not a person looking for the truth. I served many years under both Democrat and Republican administrations and that is why I vote Republican. When you work for them both, you get to know the lesser evil.

      • http://incerely, truesoy

        William….

        Apparently you didn’t learn anything while in the military….maybe that’s why you are not in it anymore?

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • SamFox

        truesoy, we are in the same institution. It’s called GET THE USA BACK TO CONSTITUTION!!! NOW!!! institute.

        Going Rules For Radicals & using obfuscation won’t work. We have you mentally challenged progs figured out.

        Facts? You progs don’t need no stinkin facts. We know because you never use true ones.

        I believe in the US Constitution, not the one from Cuba, Venezuela or the old USSR. That I DO understand.

        What YOU don’t under stand is how those that take over a nation & turn it Marxist/communist/Fascist/socialist treat their fellow traveling useful idiot Homer Simpsons
        if they are successful in their over throw. I doubt the new govt will give you a pass…probably be jailed or killed. They know that if you support the govt over throw of your land that you may be a threat to them…especially if you find out you got screwed just like the rest of US. If you cheat on & betray US you will likely cheat on & betray them.

        What we are seeing IS an attempted coup of the USA. 0 put it this way:

        “We are just five days away from the fundamental transformation of the United States of America!”

        What’s the 1st thing that needs to be transformed? The slow fade away from our founding documents & Founder’s intents. Also you fools gotta get rid of Nature’s God. 0 didn’t start the plan. But he is working toward it’s collapse the system goal.

        For more on the plan, read the how to collapse the system book by Cloward & Pivon. I take it you already read Rules For Radicals.

        SamFox

      • http://incerely, truesoy

        SamFox;

        What the heck are you talkingabout? you better read the Constitution by yourself for a better understanding and also read up on a little American history, it’ll do you good.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

    • http://salvator@centurylink.net Wade Barracato

      Your so right ,more truer words are said in jest.

  • DaveH

    Thank you for the Transcript, Wayne. I can read faster than most people can talk. Plus, referring back to a particular sentence is easier when it is written text.

    • Richard Pawley

      I wish this message could be read by all the dunderheads in the United States, especially those in the United States Congress. One of our founding fathers said it best and I quoted this even before the table of contents in my last book:

      “Society is produced by our wants, and government by wickedness; the former promotes our happiness positively by uniting our affections, the latter negatively by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the second a punisher. Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in the best state is but a necessary evil.”
      – Thomas Paine
      COMMON SENSE, 1776

      • Dan Harrell

        In 1957, Ayn Rand predicted Barak Obama. It’s a multi-million book seller. Buy it, read it, and find your own Galt’s Gulch, and do it quickly.

    • SamFox

      Wayne, you said “And when that happens, Obama will learn an important business lesson: bankruptcy.” That is true. True because bankrupting the USA is the GOAL of the collapse the system agenda. Cloward and Pivon wrote a book outlining how to do just that!

      Here is a response to a blog about averting a govt shutdown @ Yahoo News. It fits here very well–

      What the article is saying between the lines is that R’s & D’s have agreed to raise the debt ceiling. Voters didn’t get a chance to input this time, as far as I know.

      Raising the Debt Ceiling is something that needs to stop!

      Raising the DC means more deficit spending & then AGAIN, borrowing to cover the shortfall. The shortfall comes because fed govt spends more than it takes in. No crisis was averted, it was postponed, AGAIN. We are over 15 TRILL. in debt, & that doesn’t count unfunded liabilities. For a real shock, look up what our national debt really is! Be sitting down….

      If the DC were not raised there would be some financial pain, but nothing like what’s coming if we DON”T stop raising it. There would not be a total govt shut down. Govt would have to live by what it takes in. Cuts would have to be made, painful yes. But small potatoes compared to the wipe out of the USA that IS coming if we let business in DC go on as ‘usual’.

      WHY is the WH & Congress sinking US further into debt? Read about the collapse the system agenda in a book by Cloward & Pivon. Rules For Radicals goes along with it.

      The crisis that is coming is designed to totally collapse the US economy. Then the US can be transformed to a socialist/Marxist/communist/fascist form of govt where the govt centrally plans the economy & eventually the life of every citizen. Also our huge debt will be used as leverage to force US into vassal state status in the New World Order’s one world govt.

      This is why the RNC & it’s fellow CINO-RINO members & ‘progressive’ Dems & liberals work to collapse the US. This is also why the RNC, RINO-CINOs, progs, fringe media & every one who wants the US to fall tried to bury Ron Paul.

      Ron Paul is the only major candidate who is against the collapse of the US. He is the ONLY one who would take US back to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights & Founder’s intent & restrain the fed govt under Constitutional parameters.

      If you want to jump on the ‘bash Ron Paul’ bandwagon, you do so in concert with big brother & those who seek to destroy the USA as it was intended. If the one worlders have their way, we will have no Constitution, Bill of Rights or real freedom & liberty for anyone.

      Before getting on Ron’s case, PLEASE! do deep research. Look at what Ron himself says, how he has voted…don’t be fooled by NWO fringe media, Dems, RINO-CINO RNC or ‘progressives’.

      For more on what the prog movement really is, look up at YouTube,

      GB Shaw progressive

      Margaret Sanger progressive

      Hillary Clinton modern progressive

      Go to YT, then copy & paste the above 3 phrases in their search box.

      Unless you love Hitler, you won’t like these folks.

      SamFox

      • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

        “Voters didn’t get a chance to input this time, as far as I know. Raising the Debt Ceiling is something that needs to stop!”

        It is evident that you do not know what the debt ceiling is. Let me explain.

        When Congress approves a bill, and it is signed by the President, it becomes a legal contract that the US must abide by. It does not matter which Congress approves the bill, it has to be legally honored by ALL the Congresses. When funds are used for that bill, we (the US) are legally obligated to pay those funds. Our ff gave Congress the extraordinary power to raise money to pay those bills. The raising the debt ceiling is to issue bonds to pay those legally obligated bills.

        According to the SCOTUS, Congress does not have the right to NOT pay those bills.

        The GOP are threatening to NOT pay those bills (raise the debt ceiling) if the Democrats and the President do not give in to their demands. That is called blackmail, and it is also illegal.

        The time to reduce our bills is not AFTER they have already been run up. The time to reduce our bills is in the budget. Not after. If you do it after, you are doing it illegally because Congress already agreed, legally, to pay them.

        Do you have any questions about this process?

      • macgyver1948

        tigeer … Raising the debt ceiling might have to go but it has been done so many times for so many decades. It just seems lately to be used as a tool to scare us into thinking our Reps are working for us with their “pulling it out at the last second before mid night” each time. We also lost our AAA rating as a country (that something will hurt us more than we now now) and I think the “tool” has some degree of blame. It always felt like the government was holding us hostage with their shut down threats. I would say we should suspend their salaries and benefits for as long as they might follow though on that but many of them are so wealthy they might not care while they fiddle as they watch us burn from their behind-doors “sessions”.

      • DaveH

        Debt is one thing, Tigeer, spending is another. No Congress can tie the hands of succeeding Congresses. Congress can at any time stop the spending programs. They just need to have the will.

      • DaveH
      • SamFox

        tigeer, I didn’t define the process. And I said nothing about NOT paying our bills, which we in reality cannot afford to do now anyway, no matter how you or I feel about it, what ever the ‘process’ is.

        I was concentrating on the ‘bankrupt’ part & saying we must stop the deficit spending & ponzi borrowing to cover the shortfall. We borrow to pay the interest on the debt! How smart is that? Could YOU run your household finances the way the fed govt runs what they are respon$ible for?

        The other comments to this point are right on. They get it. I hope you soon also understand how dire the financial mess we are in actually is. We HAVE to cut spending or we die as a nation. There is NO ALTERNATIVE!!!

        Thanks.

        SamFox

      • SamFox

        Again for tigeer. I forgot to ask. What do ya think of the stuff I suggested you look up at YouTube about the progs Margaret Sanger, GB Shaw & Hillary? The progs are scary to the max1 Eugenics, govt control of our personal lives …the whole 9 enchiladas of totalitarian govt.

        Thought I’d ask since ya skipped that part. :-)

        SamFox

      • SiliconDoc

        I’ve got to say Sam, long before a friend of mine gave me this site, I was learning and reading about the libleft’s agenda, and some of their ardent activists told me over and over again that I had it incorrect, and that true communism would follow the collapse of capitalism.
        So if barky and his minions are up to collapsing capitalism, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit, as they no doubt deep down inside, deem that a wonderful, wonderful thing.

    • TN4th

      To be fair, I believe what Obama said was that while each of us succeeds or failed based on effort (or lack thereof), we also succeed because of the opportunities and resources provided to us by our community, our country, and our fellow taxpayers. When I came up through public schools (paid for by my community’s taxpayers), I had access to an education that my low-income parents could not have afforded on their own. I got to school on a school bus. It drove on public roads. I worked hard, and was able to earn a scholarship to college. But that scholarship, and consequently my college education, was paid for by yet other taxpayers. When I started my business, it was protected laws about fair trading and contracts, enforced by people who were on the public payroll. My electricity goes on because of TVA, a huge taxpayer funded project, and is delivered by yet another public utility. My water arrives clean and plentifully, from a public utility. So yes, our own effort is important, but it would be an act of blind hubris to believe that our effort alone got us there, and it would be an act of extreme narcissism to think that we don’t owe back, or need to “pay forward” to provide resources and opportunities to our fellow Americans, so that we can continually renew our creativity and productivity.

      • macgyver1948

        Tn4th… Thank you so much for your voice of reason. Obama didn’t say what we are hearing here from those who only want to hate him, like Root and Wood with their distortions.

        I have done pretty well over the years but I would not have been able to afford college and grad school if I weren’t in the Air Force. Not totally true, when I worked for a university one of the perks included education but I couldn’t afford to take grad classes if it weren’t for “someone else”.

        I have posted the link on here several times for Obama’s speech so any who wanted the truth could both hear and read Obama’s words. My guess only those who wanted the truth, instead of what Root and Wood wants them to believe, went to that site or any others.

        “It takes a village to raise a child” has so many meanings on so many levels. I wonder how many “employees” who were promoted at times in their career feel they could have been promoted if their superiors didn’t ‘want’ to promote them. I knew many more deserving of promotions who were denied. The superiors might feel they want you closer to them but you can’t get there strictly on your own efforts. And all the successful projects I managed in my life would have been failures if it weren’t for my teams and my teachers before them. Donald Trump would be lying if he ever says he is where he is all because of only his own efforts. He couldn’t even say “you’re Fired” if it weren’t for the guy he was firing, LOL.

      • macgyver1948

        TN4th. I said to you “I have posted the link on here several times for Obama’s speech so any who wanted the truth could both hear and read Obama’s words”.

        I should clarify something in that because I do not mean to imply the ‘only truth’ but instead to attempt to see what might be the truth. Only those who are concerned with truth will explore for it. Those who aren’t concerned with truth will just take what they are fed.

      • truesoy

        macgyver1948;

        …and the irony here is that Mitt Romney had said basically the same thing sometiime some weeks before Obama, yet no republican made an issue.
        (I saw it on one of Romneys campaign stops, and again saw the clip, I believe on MSNBC).

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

      • macgyver1948

        tuessoy…. Hate generally comes with specific GPS directions so there would be no need for the TP/GOP to say something against MItt. It does prove the point(s)…

      • SiliconDoc

        You mean macguy, thanks so little for the voice of CRAP.
        Every item outlined is the poor beggars whine, that without it, helplessness and incapability was at the door…
        OF COURSE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS TAX DOLLARS PAID FOR ALL THE HANDOUT HELP.

        Even if it didn’t in the form of tax dollars stolen by force and redistributed, IT WOULD IN OTHER FORMS, and your crybaby butts would be given a DIRECT HAND UP, without the government bureaucratic masters in the way, sucking half the booty for themselves and their rich associates.

        GET A CLUE.

        The man in the video has it correct, the thanks is owed TO THE BUSINESSES and associated TAXPAYERS, not the other way around…. but you god for saken fools HATE the big businesses and big time taxpayers…

        BECAUSE YOU ARE IDIOTS.

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