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The Lie That Should Sink Obama

July 27, 2012 by  

The Lie That Should Sink Obama
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The words "you didn't build that" may sink Barack Obama's campaign.

If there is one sentence that determines who will win this year’s Presidential election, I hope it will be Barack Obama’s incredible statement that “you didn’t build that.”

In just four short words, Obama confirmed his bias against America’s business builders and job creators — the men and women who slaved and sacrificed to help make us the wealthiest, most productive and most generous Nation the world has ever known.

Yes, I know, I’ll be accused of taking his words out of context. That he really wasn’t engaging in the blatant, anti-business bias I’ve accused him of. Baloney! Let’s look more closely at exactly what our Great Leader said. Here is a verbatim quote from his campaign speech in Roanoke, Va., on July 13:

[L]ook, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Obama’s apologists like to claim that the President was merely referring to “roads and bridges” when he said “you didn’t build that.” What a bunch of nonsense! First of all, let me play grammarian here and point out that “roads and bridges” are plural, not singular. Anyone with a fifth-grade education, much less two college degrees, would know to say “you didn’t build those,” not “that.”

Moreover, if you try to accept the apologists’ explanation, then you have to admit that Obama not only made a grammatical mistake, he made a factual one as well. Anyone who drives a car or truck did pay for those “roads and bridges.” All of this infrastructure (and a lot more besides) was financed by the taxes on the fuel we used.

No, the message the President was trying to convey seems pretty clear to me: Every successful entrepreneur in America owes a debt of gratitude — and a lot more taxes — to government. Not only that, but the more successful you are, the more you owe.

So Henry Ford can’t take credit for giving birth to the automobile industry. Thomas Edison would never have invented the light bulb if it weren’t for “somebody else” who made it happen. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and thousands of other modern builders and inventors wouldn’t have succeeded if it weren’t for the helping hand of government.

In fact, the Harry Reids and Nancy Pelosis of this world go even further. They seem to believe that government is entitled to all of the money you make. And anytime our beneficent rulers allow you to keep some of your earnings, it is somehow doing you a favor. How else can you explain the attitude that cutting your taxes is somehow giving you a subsidy? That letting us keep anything is doing us a favor?

If “you didn’t build that,” then you really have no right to own it or control it. If “you didn’t build that,” then government is entitled to tax it, to regulate it, even to seize it, if it so desires. If “somebody else made that happen,” then government has every right to seize what you have and share it with “somebody else.”

The truth is 180 degrees the opposite of what these grade-school Marxists proclaim: Most business creators and job builders in this country have succeeded in spite of government, not because of it. And they would have been able to invest a lot more money, take a lot more risk, build more businesses and create more jobs, if they had been allowed to keep more of the money they earned.

Dan Danner, the president and CEO of the National Federation of Independent Businesses, has this to say about Obama’s comments:

His unfortunate remarks over the weekend show an utter lack of understanding and appreciation for the people who take a huge personal risk and work endless hours to start a business and create jobs.

I’m sure every small-business owner who took a second mortgage on their home, maxed out their credit cards or borrowed money from their own retirement savings to start their business disagrees strongly with President Obama’s claim.

I certainly hope so.

One of Mitt Romney’s favorite campaign themes is how the coming election will be a battle for the soul of America. “Do we believe in an America that is great because of government?” the presumptive Republican nominee has asked. “Or do we believe in an America that is great because of free people allowed to pursue their dreams to build their future?”

In this debate, there can be no doubt where our redistributionist President stands. We’ve got less than 100 days left before Americans get to cast their vote on which vision of the future they want.

Will the builders and creators and those who support them work as hard as the takers and receivers and those who pander to them? We’ll soon find out.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood 

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    Looks to me like some of you need to read “Free Lunch” by David Cay Johnston before you make any more uninformed stupid comments.

    Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense and Stick You With The Bill, about hidden subsidies, rigged markets, and corporate socialism. It follows his earlier book Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich—and Cheat Everybody Else, a New York Times bestseller[12] on the U.S. tax system that won the Investigative Reporters and Editors 2003 Book of the Year award.

    But then that is assuming you dumb whiteys can read!

    • DaveH

      “stupid comments”, “dumb whiteys”.
      Can you make a statement, Eric, without including adolescent manipulative techniques? Is it somehow beyond your capabilities?

      • Shelia

        lol at Eric

    • DaveH

      Here is a book that explains how certain Crony Capitalists write and benefit from various regulations and other Government protection. They exist in both political parties:
      http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070

      The only way to change that cozy relationship is to get Government out of the Marketplace. Return the choices to the consumers, where they belong.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Disingenuous from you Dave considering that you can never talk about the left or progressives without adding a nasty or condescending adjective to it.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Dave As usual you completely ignored “Free Lunch” focusing instead on the meaningless fluff. You would fit in very well at Fox News.

        How did I know that you would completely ignore every point I raised and just attack me instead. You’re so predictable.

      • DaveH

        I am merely pointing out to people the kind of person you really are, not what you think you are.

      • DaveH

        I’ll tell you what, Eric. I will count up and list the nasty manipulative remarks that you have made, and you can count up and list mine. Okay?

    • http://N/a CintiCB

      Eric. you need to go play with your new black panther fool! You can fight each other about who ‘be’s da biggest victim’. STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR FAILURE!!! It’s on you, babe-hope the term ‘babe’ is not a reason for you to claim racism. Don’t you, in your infinite ‘wisom’, know that all you do is lessen the great strides that your ancestors made when they REALLY WERE victims of racism? THEY WOULD BE SO INCREDIBLY ASHAMED OF YOU (and your kind)!!!!!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      WOW, “assuming you dumb whiteys can read”. Really??? I don’t think that any of us are advocating “crony” capitalism! We want our government to STOP favoring one business over another! We want them to STOP passing regulations that give one business an advantage over another! We want them to STOP making things more difficult for the “little guy” who just wants his piece of the pie! We want people to be able to keep what they earn and not have the government take it away and give it to somebody else! Your comments are inflammatory and racist!!!

  • http://none Greg Brede

    I will be objection, yet make a point on Prex Obummer statement, “Anyone who drives a car or truck did pay for those “roads and bridges.” As pointed out in the article above, the taxpayers and gsoline taxes paid the State municipalities to actually construct them. But what about the cars that drive on these roads and bridges, is credit given the Ford, Dodge or Chrysler for the automobile? Of the concrete and asphalt in the roads, or CAT to the heavy equipment required during construction, of the boom crane companies, teh steel mills that made the I beams, all had original founders to create a company that provide the road and bridge builders.

  • Paul Wells

    What I truly find amusing, is that BHO himself thinks he was just smarter than anyone else, and clearly, he feels he was chosen or ordained to be POTUS clearly without understanding one bit of what the job entails. It amuses me to no end that him singing a line of an Al Green song, and his Marxist cronies just swoon. It’s no damned wonder that he thinks he is the Messiah, with all the stupid, no-brained drones just fawning all over him. And the lamestream media? Ohhhh boy, they won’t print anything bad about “their boy”. And the world looks on at us as though we’ve lost our collective minds! Throw ALL of the bums out this November!!

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Yes throw out the black bum and put in your white bum. I get it.

      • DaveH

        I read Paul’s comment carefully, Eric, and could see no reference to black or white. Did I miss something?

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Yes Dave you are missing the overall nasty tone from a bunch who are racists in denial. A bunch who more than likely voted and loved Bush and yet have a venous hate for Obama even though he is mostly following the Bush doctrine. Explain that.

      • JeffH

        Eric the Red, that’s your racist opinion…and it’s no different than all of the other racists that refuse to understand that many people just don’t like O’man’s politics.
        I’m not surprised. Keep posting your comments though…each one shows us a little more of who you really are, not what you think you are. A bit deranged comes to mind.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’m not a racist! I HATE obummer! I HATE bush! You’re right, their doctrines are similar! They ALL follow the SAME agenda! They ALL (including romney) work for the SAME people(?)!!! I want someone, anyone who will represent the PEOPLE!!! THEY don’t give a damm about US!!!

      • DaveH

        So, in other words, Eric, you are just fabricating facts about what Paul said.
        How do you live with yourself?

      • Paul Wells

        Too much truth just confuses the left. They invent straw men in such cases, or castles in the mind where they like to live their comfortable, leftist fantasy worlds!

      • Winddrinker

        Eric, the biggest racist in the country, is black (supposedly) and he resides in the White House. I heard yesterday that he held a press conference and only allowed black reporters to attend!

        Race relations has never been worse, and this regime fans the flames of racism at every opportunity.. It is almost as if they are hoping for a “race war.” It all about that “hoping and changing” of America. So, when you want to talk about racists, please address the worst one in the country before anyone else.

  • http://twistedstick.wordpress.com twistedstick

    Logging sorry obama is fool, I just did a survey that they ask 1,200 poeple all over America about the oil spill in th gulf at the end of the survey they ask if i was willing to pay one time fee of $385 that be per ever house hold in the U S to pay for inspectors on all off shore drilling, the oil company didn’t have to pay dime bacuse they had a cntract before this come up I said no because those contract were give out many years ago, at a much cheaper price do what football player redo the cotract or move on bp and all the rest. Obama his plan tax,tax, tax spend spend spend good luck leftys

  • DaveH

    Let’s face it. It’s not just Obama, it’s Big Government in general. We have allowed them, through our apathy, to become nothing more than the biggest parasitic gang in the country. Our forefathers gave their lives for Freedom, and we, their descendants, couldn’t even be bothered with doing some studying to learn how important it is to stop Government from their natural tendencies to Grow their Power and Perks.

    • Sirian

      Agreed!! Yes, our Founding Fathers warned us of this – have we listened – NO! The price we may pay is unfathomable.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      I sort of agree with you Dave.

      But first before you flip out on me as you usually do on anything I say, (God knows only libertarians are allowed to have any worthwhile ideas and opinions), hear me out.

      Unlike the libertarians who always and only see government as the problem, I think it’s greedy bastards that have taken over our government that are the problem. They did this by massive lobbying, massive amounts of money to spew out lies on TV ads and organizations like ALEC that write laws for corporations and then distribute them to the states politicians to pass. These are not to benefit you and I.

      After all government is merely americans doing a job they were hired to do. It’s bloated and out of control I’ll grant you that but with high unemployment already, have you thought about the repercussions of laying off more people. What will that do to the to the economy? How do you solve that problem? Businesses will all suffer if more consumers are unemployed.

      Or do you just stick to your rigid ideologies and ignore this elephant in the room. Have you been paying attention or are you on of those who have Support our Troops stickers on their cars but do nothing for them when they come home from the wars with PTSD, are unemployed and too often homeless and end up committing suicide!

      Let’s be honest, private sector does not and will not ever do it all. For example I know you all like to make fun of the post office but I am in transportation and I can tell you that the private sector will never cover everywhere and they certainly won’t do it as cheap. But that won’t stop the express carriers from lobbying to privatize the post office. Yeah take out the competition and cherry pick the business, raise rates and get rid of the rest. I guarantee you, you won’t like the end result. And by the way they are not fiscally unsound. They were merely made to look that way for the election and the privatization effort. They were forced to put up many years of pensions up front. Something we don’t demand of any other organization or businesses.

      Right now there is a litany of failed privatization projects where the people are sorry they were sold a bill of goods. Can’t we learn from our mistakes. Privatization is just more greed.

      Then there’s wall street salivating at the last pool of money. They’ve gone through your home equity, your 401Ks, your savings, what’s left? Your social security!. So what do they do? They get you to believe that it’s broke, when in actuality it is well funded and will be alright if we manage to lower unemployment. Did anyone ever think that by raising the retirement age we are actually screwing the young people who are just out of school, heavily indebted and in need of a job to pay back their loans?

      I’ll throw out another one to think about. The EPA. Yes it’s a disaster. But what did we Americans create the EPA for? Wasn’t it to protect our air, water, land and all living things from corporations and private businesses that didn’t think twice about dumping poisons in our water and releasing lead and mercury in our air or selling inferior products that make us sick? Isn’t that why we wanted and EPA? But hey businesses figured out that by lobbying , like the gas fracking industry has just done by getting an exemption from water and air standards which every one else has to follow. Cheney gave them a free pass. A do not go to jail and do pay a fee pass. You and I all have that right.

      I say we demand we get what we paid for first then we figure out how to make it more efficient and lean and yes less of it. I guarantee you if laws are in our favor and enforced we’ll have a lot less problems, pollution and crime and we won’t need so much government. A pound of prevention is always much cheaper that fixing the problem after the fact. Businesses are dumping their problems on us. They make us pay for the clean up. That’s why we’re going broke. That’s why we don’t need nuclear reactors to make electricity. Remember we are on the hook to pay to decommission their reactors and manage their waste for hundreds of thousands of years. How much is that going to cost us?

      Just like we won’t need the most bloated and obscenely expensive defense budget if we bring our troops home close all 1000 foreign bases and start minding our own business and putting our own house in order. Boy we have all of the guns we could ever want and we are are still scared. Is that why we allow this corporate controlled (fascist) government to spend more of our hard earned tax money than all other nations combined? Now that’s ridiculous.

      If you want to be successful in business, you need a healthy, dedicated, happy, educated workforce, a good infrastructure and consumers who can spend. If we want to compete in the world, we better have a first rate infrastructure. Right now we ‘re getting our arses kicked. How do we rebuild that? Certainly not by spending everything on military, prisons and corporate welfare and certainly not by making more consumers unemployed

      Your thoughts!

      .

      • DaveH

        It is your kind, Eric, who want to impose their wills on others with the Force of Government, not my kind. So don’t give me that — “God knows only libertarians are allowed to have any worthwhile ideas and opinions”.
        Of course I can’t stop you from posting your nonsense, and you know that, but choose instead to imply that I am trying to stop it. In fact I have said several times that your Progressive presence on this board is a good thing for those who don’t really know what Progressives are all about.
        Meanwhile, if you were really interested in learning some reality (I doubt it), you would read this book. The author does a good job of avoiding the arcane language of economics in order to explain in simpler terms to lay people why Free Markets (Capitalism) would bring this country back to not only Freedom but also Prosperity:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

        Why is it that I doubt you will read the book, Eric?

      • DaveH

        Eric says — “I think it’s greedy bastards that have taken over our government”.
        First of all, why do you think it necessary, Eric, to use such foul language?
        Secondly, that is what Big Governments are all about — enrichment of themselves and their Cronies. It always has been. So what in the world makes you think your brand of Big Government would be any better?

      • DaveH

        Eric says — “have you thought about the repercussions of laying off more people”.
        Yes, I have. Have you ever heard the saying “don’t throw good money after bad”?
        As long as we have millions of people sitting idle or working at jobs that are not in demand by voluntary consumers, we will have fewer goods and services in the economy — Goods and services that are needed by poor people as well as the rest of us.
        Returning the money that Government is wasting to the Private Sector would result in real jobs for people producing real goods and services (those which the consumers really need and want).
        Perhaps you should read this, Eric, and learn something about Capital Investment and the results of its absence:
        http://mises.org/daily/5277/When-Capital-Is-Nowhere-in-View

      • DaveH

        Eric says — “Or do you just stick to your rigid ideologies”.
        My rigid ideologies? I’ve explained my point of view to others and offered links to much reading material, so that people can make up their own minds, and I generally do so without the adolescent use of manipulative techniques that are so common in your comments, including the above quote.
        I’ve spent 40 years studying matters economic and political. What am I supposed to do, throw out my knowledge and experience to please your Progressive sensibilities?
        And how much more rigid can one get than to promote a Political system (Progressivism) which has proven to be a failure throughout History, as you do?
        Progressivism serves Leaders well, but the rest of us pay the price. So I have to wonder — What is your stake in it, Eric? Are you benefiting at the expense of others? I can’t figure out why else you would be trying so hard to promote your illogical and empirically unsupportable belief system.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I think we’re all a lot closer in what we want than we think! I think that we express ourselves in different ways and each of us thinks that our way of doing it is better. Maybe discussions should start at the end with our goals and then we can work backwards. Eric, usually I read your posts and you sound like a screaming liberal. But with what you’ve posted here, I think we’re closer together than either of us thought.

      • DaveH

        Careful Nancy. Eric is a dishonest person. So there is a high likelihood that he is saying things he knows you agree with to slip in his double-speak Propaganda. I have seen nothing in Eric’s comments to indicate that he doesn’t intend to ram his choices down our collective throats if he gets the chance. The Progressives always start out with the sweet-sounding concepts like clean environments, etc., but when they get the Power we find out that their “clean environments” come at a terrible cost. As an example, when I visit my kids, I have to pass about 5 miles worth of hundreds of garish wind-generators in the Palm Springs area. At some points it looks like you’re driving right into them like some giant nightmarish food processors. And the utilities are forced to buy their Power even though it’s not economical. But they’re what the Progressives want, so we have no choice in the matter.

      • DaveH

        Eric says — “Right now there is a litany of failed privatization projects where the people are sorry they were sold a bill of goods”.
        Really? Could you perhaps provide references to support your conjecture, Eric?
        I say it’s another of your many lies.

      • DaveH

        Eric says — “Privatization is just more greed”.
        Really? In the past Eric has vehemently denied being a Socialist. Now this.
        And isn’t it funny how Progressives like Eric talk so often about Greed exhibited by business people who sell their products to voluntary purchasers, but don’t consider themselves Greedy at all when they want to grab those business peoples’ money?
        Eric is just a common thief who has great powers of rationalization.

        That is why you need to read between the lines, Nancy in Nebraska, because dishonest people like Eric aren’t going to honestly state their intentions.

      • DaveH

        Here’s another gem from Eric — “Did anyone ever think that by raising the retirement age we are actually screwing the young people who are just out of school, heavily indebted and in need of a job to pay back their loans?”.
        We are? Obviously Eric knows nothing about Economics. There are no fixed number of jobs. As long as people have desires somebody will spring forward to please those desires, unless (and this is a big one) Big Government gets in the way.
        The more people work, the more goods and services we have, thus the cheaper those goods and services become. And who cares what motivates those people who start the businesses? It could be greed. At least Eric would think so, and he thinks so because he knows his own greed. But as long as they can’t force us to buy their products (like Government will if we let them get that far) who cares what motivates them?
        Government not only costs big money (now consuming over 40% of our GDP), but they also get in the way of good people being productive, which is estimated to cost the economy over a Trillion dollars each year:
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/53100815/Wayne-Crews-10-000-Commandments-2011

      • Winddrinker

        Eric, another opinion. We don’t need more government, that is the elephant in the room!

        Government is bloated and it wastes, steals, and loses probably half the money they confiscate in taxes. Only half the population pays these taxes but the useless other half of the population are more likely to be the beneficiaries of the tax money.

        What is left of the tax money the government gives away to foreign governments, including the muslim brotherhoods and other enemies. Or, they support foreign companies and spend our taxes to create foreign jobs!

        The government has spent (given away) so much money that it had to “out-source” our space program! Now, our astronauts must hitch-a-ride with the Russians. We have too many “gimmie people” to support, so we can’t have our own space program!, There are too many regime friends in and out of this country that “need our money!”

        Then you talk about the P.O.! You shouldn’t even go there! It is a disater. I mailed a letter yesterday and it cost nearly fifty-cents! Talk about bloated expenses, lavish benefits(where did the idea come to pay people that don’t work) and total incompetence! Everytime I sent a letter “overnight” it took, literally days to arrivce.
        I always got my money refunded. Finally, I went to Fed Ex and have never used the P.O. again.. If the government is involved in any business, it becomes broken, the product/service suffers, and the costs of operation triples and quadruples! We all know that to be true! Another problem with the P.O. is that the government mandates that browned-skins are to be given priority for jobs. They are to be hired FIRST whether they are the better qualified! Government employees will have to bite the bullet, like any other employee, when the lay-offs come around…After all, the government hires three people to do the work that should be done by only ONE person.

        We don’t need government! Government needs us because they need OUR money!
        We don’t need a bloated, out of control, tyrannical government that usurps more power everyday and that wants to micro-manage our lives, take our money by “hook or crook,” be secure in our persons, and believes that we have no right to private possessions.

        Forget about trying to justify any of what this regime is doing/has done. There is no way you can convince a reasonable thinker, that has paid attention these last three plus years, that government is working “for the people.” The government thinks we MUST work for them and that is the way this regime approaches any decisions it makes.

        Back to a small, unobtrusive government that knows it place…that of servant to the people!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rerogersjr Rick Rogers

    No one has a business without clients or customers and I am counting myself on that. My customers and clients built my business I would not have one without them so they are the architects of my success. Every business out there was created to fill a need. In very few cases did they create that need. The infrastructure for american commerce to be successful the roads, airports, ports the majority of those where created by federal, state and local governments. If your to stupid to understand that, then your too stupid to vote. Unfortunately that does not keep you from voting anyway. But its ok that’s what we have the republican party for so you will feel included. I weep for what the republicans have become. They are the exact thing that Barry Goldwater warned us about in the 60′s and 70′s. Hell Ronald Reagan would be to liberal for the people running that party now a days.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Rick Rogers, I agree, well said.

    • DaveH

      Rick says — “My customers and clients built my business”.
      No Rick, your customers and clients did NOT build your business (if you even have one, which I doubt). They simply took advantage of what you were offering them, with no sweat equity on their part other than to include your business in their search to satisfy their needs.
      Rick says — “The infrastructure for american commerce to be successful the roads, airports, ports the majority of those where created by federal, state and local governments”.
      Before Governments expanded their Power over the citizens, private companies built the roads so that their customers would have a way to reach them. Government took over this task to expand their Power and enrich their crony capitalists, not to serve the people.
      It is well known that whatever Government does, they do it less efficiently than the Free Market Private Sector would have done it.
      Then Rick has the nerve to say — “If your to stupid to understand that, then your too stupid to vote.”
      Typical Liberal manipulation. Fortunately, the majority of the readers on this board are seeking real information, not Propaganda. Those people can read this:
      http://mises.org/journals/scholar/internal.pdf

    • http://twistedstick.wordpress.com twistedstick

      Rick Rodgers, I do understand what your trying to say but you built your business your self yes you need customers, but you and you alone if you own this by yourself had to make your customers happy or it goes down the tubs, He saying you didn’t do all this he saying the bank that may of loan you money, you have book keeper maybe workers but you make sure there doing their work right, if stop showing up to work sooner or later that business is gone. yes you had help along the way but if was there to start it there would be no Rick Rodgers business. I have one myself nobody built it for me I did it myself on my word and the respect of my customer

    • Patriot

      Rick – I am very confident that you do not own a business, because you sir are the idiot by your stupid comments. While “yes” you need customers, these customers did not wake up 1 day and say, geez, I will do business with you. Someone had to work very hard finding those clients to develop goodwill and trust so, that particular business could thrive. Then, those business and individuals pay significant taxes income, property and collect sales taxes for the government so the entire infrastructure can be built by private industry. When you figure that out, you will become part of the solution and not part the problem!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Rick, did your customers give you the money to build your business? Did they say here, I’ll work for you tomorrow so you can have a day off? No, they didn’t! It’s true, you wouldn’t be in business without your customers. But it is YOUR hard work in providing them with what they want that built your business and keeps it going today! You need to recognize that obummer is saying that you didn’t build your business because the next step in his agenda is to say, because you didn’t build it yourself, it belongs to all of us! It happened in Cuba, in Germany, in Russia and many other places! You need to take off the blinders and work extra hard just to keep what you already have. Or the customers you depend on will be customers of the government!!!

    • TML

      Rick Rogers says, “No one has a business without clients or customers and I am counting myself on that. My customers and clients built my business I would not have one without them so they are the architects of my success. Every business out there was created to fill a need. In very few cases did they create that need. The infrastructure for american commerce to be successful the roads, airports, ports the majority of those where created by federal, state and local governments.”

      That’s stating the obvious… but you never follow through on your point before bashing republicans. So heres another fact for you… Mr. Obvious says… You wouldn’t have customers if you didn’t work hard to build the company in the first place, and work hard to satisfy the customers, and keep them satisfied. Roads, airports, and ports, were paid for by taxpayers… and the company, or business owner pays for the services those things offer when they use/need them to conduct business. They already contribute back to society and future generation through filling that ‘need’ the business fills. Some customers are even other businesses, and not the general public.

      So what is the ultimate point you, or Obama, are trying to make? Obama even implies that if your business is successful it wasn’t because you worked hard or even smart… but owe everything to others… it’s a socialist/communist idealist ploy… and if you don’t see or understand that, your too stupid to vote. Unfortunately that does not keep you from voting anyway. But its ok that’s what we have the Democratic party for so you will feel included. lol ;)

    • Winddrinker

      You must be too stupid to vote Rick Rogers, if you think that government built the roads and bridges.

      The government has no money! It steals from the people that still work and produce! Government doesn’t make money or produce anything except hardship and hurdles.. Businesses and individual taxpayers built the infrastructure! They pay dearly to build the roadways that all your stupid lazy freeloaders use! Why not have those freeloaders pay us back, or not let the non-taxpaying, gimme people, use them!

      The “gimme people” TAKE, they don’t GIVE! Government TAKES, it doesn’t GIVE!

      I think you have got things backward, conjur on that for a while..

  • Deerinwater

    Well, Chip you are only point out the major difference of a fundamental mindset among people and it’s not a lie but Obama asking for reflection of ones self.

    It would seem that a Tea Party activist argument is predicated on some notion that one day they just ” fell from the sky” and started accumulating wealth and owe no gratitude or debit of appreciation to no one or anything except God.

    This self serving attitude is not that common among most people for if it were, Ayn Rand novels would not be so profound and popular as she attempt to valid and justify “self indulgence” page after page after page.

    A world full of Ayn Rand’s is a scary thought.

    It’s good that you bring forward this fundamental “difference”, perhaps it might be discussed ~ but I seriously doubt it,as few could make it appear very flattering to defend such a selective memory.

    • Paul Wells

      DIW, you are every bit as bad as Oblama is. You negate the value and virtue of hard work and sweat equity, and want to pretend that people that did build something out of not much were just lucky. Keep drinking the kool-aide, and think that the great “equalizer” will right all the wrongs, and make those sponges and drags on society as well paid as people who paved the way with their sweat and toil, and pretty soon this country will be finished. What a load of crap you are spreading!

    • Flashy

      DW…just taking this one comment “Anyone who drives a car or truck did pay for those “roads and bridges.” All of this infrastructure (and a lot more besides) was financed by the taxes on the fuel we used.

      No, the message the President was trying to convey seems pretty clear to me: Every successful entrepreneur in America owes a debt of gratitude — and a lot more taxes — to government. Not only that, but the more successful you are, the more you owe.” states the ignorance underlying the criticism the author relies upon for support. roads, grants, loans, sibsidies, guarantees, non-road infratrucure (broadband everywhere, electrical grid everywhere, hydro power, etc ) and the maintenance (go ahead, cross that worn out bridge weakened by millions of cars and trucks going over it), a trained workforce, subsidized insurance (workmans comp), retraining laid off workers outsourced, a stable peaceful social structure and on and on.

      Of course, though…they did it on their own and owe nothing to the society which gave them these benefits.

      this has got to rank up there as being an article who’s believability is totally dependent upon the ignorance and absolute bias of a brain dead reader.

      • TML

        Flashy says, “No, the message the President was trying to convey seems pretty clear to me: Every successful entrepreneur in America owes a debt of gratitude — and a lot more taxes — to government. Not only that, but the more successful you are, the more you owe.” states the ignorance underlying the criticism the author relies upon for support.”

        I don’t see that as ignorant at all… in fact, after you ramble on, you then come to the very same conclusion when you express sarcastically… “Of course, though…they did it on their own and owe nothing to the society which gave them these benefits.”

        So, I’d seriously say the ignorance is yours my friend…

        “roads, grants, loans, sibsidies, guarantees, non-road infratrucure (broadband everywhere, electrical grid everywhere, hydro power, etc ) and the maintenance (go ahead, cross that worn out bridge weakened by millions of cars and trucks going over it), a trained workforce, subsidized insurance (workmans comp), retraining laid off workers outsourced, a stable peaceful social structure and on and on.”

        Hmm, seems like all of those things are paid for by the owner of the company. When you have something shipped to you via roads, do you not pay for the shipping? Does the company not pay for the broadband, or the electricity? Are trained employees not paid? etc. etc. etc. ? ….. why then is MORE owed to society? The benefits were not “given” to them as you say.

        Flashy says, “this has got to rank up there as being an article who’s believability is totally dependent upon the ignorance and absolute bias of a brain dead reader.”

        I would say the same of your assessment Flashy… this has got to be one of the most ignorant comments you’ve ever made.

    • Patriot

      DIW – you would be the first in line following the Pied Piper, the is no hope for the hopeless! Obama is matching us to the cliff and you are lock step behind his ass! I will bet the elitists are laughing their heads off that they put in place a guy like Obama and many drones are actually taking him seriously, if they can pull this off on the American Public, what can’t they do?

      • DAK

        Hopefully they cannot get Romney elected…

      • Winddrinker

        America has a lot of “obama zombies!” They walk around with glazed eyes and a fixed stare…if obumscum said, it has got to be true.. Even if they see their master on video and hear the words coming straight from his mouth….they will turn, look you straight in the eye, and deny he ever said it! Their brains cannot process “reality.” Wondering if there is some kind of zombie drug on those medicaid cards that seep into the systems of the card holders. Must be a form of mind control..

    • http://harleyspoon.wordpress.com harleyspoon

      But even old Ayn Rand (a smoker) grabbed that government teat when she contracted cancer and couldn’t carry her own weight (after selling all those books). Yep..She jumped into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid faster than lightning can strike. That’s how it is with these clowns who talk the Libertarian line..

      Years ago–when I worked in the Texas Legislature–one of my old rich Republican friends was wiped out by a major flood on the San Jacinto River in Montgomery County, Texas. He called me immediately after the flood wiped out his farm (livestock, implements, barns, house, pets, etc.) and asked me to help him get his “federal and state disaster relief”. I reminded him of his disdain for those programs when the Mississippi River flooded and broke the levees (BUILT BY TAXPAYERS) and washed out farms and small towns up and down its banks…I reminded him that he didn’t think it was right for taxpayers to bail out the dummies who lived in a flood plain…that is was “socialism”…I asked him why he had changed his mind and why should I help him get taxpayers hard-earned money to rebuild his place in a 25 year flood plain??? He said, “Well, Harley, that was then and this is now..and that was them and this is me!” THAT IS THE TYPICAL LIBERTARIAN, REPUBLICAN, TEAPUBLICAN ATTITUDE..AS IT WAS, HE GOT HIS RELIEF AND, WITHOUT A DIME OUT OF HIS POCKET, HIS PLACE WAS COMPLETELY REBUILT WITH TAXPAYER MONEY…HE IS STILL MY FRIEND BUT I DID LOSE A LITTLE RESPECT FOR HIM BECAUSE I FOUND HIM TO BE A HYPOCRITE…AS MOST RIGHT WING IDEOLOGUES ARE!!

  • G. Smith

    Using edited speeches and cut and paste tricks to reshape a statement which is on youtube for God’s sake, shows a level of desperation that will only increase until this becomes so shrill it will be ignored. It’s a very bad tactic and rest assured this incumbent campaign is way to smart to let you get away with it and they will make you pay for it.

    • momo

      You’re right, they’re so smart they’re not even running on their record. That should tell you something.

  • http://twistedstick.wordpress.com twistedstick

    obama never work hard to get what he got, what I mean by that he din’t clean a barn out, work in the logging wood do consrution work hell I bet he can’t eve use a wheel barrow right .Most everything he has been grants scolorship, this guy doesn’t know how hard the American work has work over the years, he think he does. To me he remind me of a used car salesman he will sell you shinny car of the lot and 5 miles down the road it breaks down. Everything he said he do last time he has never done how in the hell can anyone be so dum as to vote this joker where do I have the right to talk about him like that, I spent a big part of my life on a farm and working in the looging woods, and we were the first to lose our job because of the left wing no it alls

    • DAK

      Maybe not, but neither did Romney (although I would bet Mitt would know how to spell wheelbarrow.)

      • DaveH

        You’re comparing Obama’s business experience with Romney’s, DAK? That’s a stretch.
        Disclaimer: I don’t think either should be our President.
        Freedom loving people need to start thinking and investigate the Libertarian Principles. No other political party comes close:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform
        We believe in Free Markets. We believe that the consumers, NOT the bought-and-paid-for Politicians, should decide what to buy and what to sell. If you don’t like a product, don’t buy it. If you build a shoddy product, customers are free NOT to purchase it.
        Government’s only role in the Marketplace should be to litigate against Fraudulent operators (those who lie about what their products do).

      • DAK

        Not comparing, just pointing out that Mitt didn’t start a business with a dollar and a dream. He had help (even if that isa dirty work with the far-right) from his family ties, his daddy’s wealth, his political connections in the Church… yet all this help doesn’t count? Give me 60 million dollars and let me go to France other than to war and I’d bet I would be just as successful.

      • DaveH

        Everybody has help, DAK, but it’s voluntary help. If there are strings attached to that “help”, then morally and legally those strings should be divulged before the recipient receives that help. Personally, I don’t want Government’s “help”, and I would opt out if I could, but being that they are the biggest most powerful gang in the land I have no choice in the matter. My only hope is to convince other Freedom Loving people of what Big Government really is — a huge Threat to our Freedom and our Pocketbooks.

    • Karolyn

      Just because someone has never done physical work in his lifetime does not make him less than anyone else. It is so annoying when people pridefully point to how they worked their a$$es off to geet to where they got. The really smart people don’t have to do that.

      • JeffH

        Karoyn, are you saying that smart people don’t have to work hard because they are “smarter” or are you saying that people that work hard to get ahead aren’t smart? Just askin’?

      • Karolyn

        I’m saying that working smart is better than working hard. As much, or more, gain can be had by working smarter instead of busting one’s butt.

      • JeffH

        I get it and it’s just what I thought you meant…liberal logic. Being less than successful I guess you’re not smart either.

      • DaveH

        “No one shall be idle if I have to work; no one shall be rich if I am poor. Thus we see, again and again, that resentment lies behind all socialist ideas”.
        – Ludwig von Mises

  • sb36695

    Obama believes you should do whatever he says. He will determine what you get. And we elected him because he could read a teleprompter. What does that say about us? As a small business owner, I didn’t vote for him. My business cannot survive marxists, and his past scared the he!! out of me. If he is reelected, I am closing.

    • JimmyM

      You will be doing exactly what MANY others have done since this wacked out dog dung has done since he’s been in office with his other yard layers. None of these people know ANYTHING about hard work or transparency yet they want to hire more IRS agents to come after everyone else’s money and forget about paying their own way. How many from this administration are tax evaders? How much money do you think they all owe? Of course they are so transparent we won’t ever know. Just like BO’s birth place. His entire administration needs to ride a slow boat to he!!.
      People will continue to close doors to their businesses if this b@$tard stays in office. What’s worse sending jobs to other countries or closing businesses and living off the goverment? He’s blasting Mitt for it but is it REALLY true?

    • Ron r

      Then close, move to Russia or Kenya maybe.

  • Armyblue

    he’s just doing what a socialists does. . .all words. . .plays the crowd. . .goes into the black preacher mode. . .kisses the Arabs. . .toasts the Queen. . .all words with his socialist agenda. Business owners are his biggest enemy. . .has to tax them outta existence.

    • JeffH

      Armyblue, I have to disagree…he’s just doing what a Marxist community organizer would do.

      Notice that Obama has a tendancy of appearing with no tie, an open collar and rolled up sleeves when he speaks to these crowds…there’s a reason he does this…with this phony appearance he thinks he’s connecting with middle class American’s, which he’s never done…honestly. This is strictly for effect and nothing more.

  • Chester

    Sheila, personally, still think he was referring to ALL the infrastructure., not just the bricks and mortar building, or the actual business held therein. I have been the business building route myself a time or two, and I for sure could have done NOTHING without having the infrastructure in place to bring my customers to me, and to allow me to communicate with them by other means than face to face conversations.

    • DaveH

      And Big Government could not exist without the votes of uninformed people, taxes from unwilling contributors, the aid of their Crony Capitalists, and the Propaganda from their Public Schools and Court Media.

      • DaveH

        In 1900 Government existed on 3% of the Gross Domestic Product.
        Now, they need to consume 40% of the GDP, 13 times their size in 1900.
        Are we thirteen times more in need of protection than our 1900 ancestors? Of course not. Government has just done what they have throughout history — Grow their Power and Perks. We have retrogressed to the primitive condition — Serfdom of the common citizen.

      • Winddrinker

        Progressives, as they call themselves , are nothing but “RETROS” that want to take this country BACKWARD to a “feudal state” where we all serve the King! The King owns everything, even the rewards of individual’s labor…hmmmm, sounds like today.

    • Shelia

      I can agree with you on that.

      • tom tee

        No the right wants us to bow to big business and the 1%. If they get in power then everyone else will just be stooges to the almighty Big business!

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone: I don’t know who’s worse, Obama or Romney!! I mean you listen to the foolish “whopper gaffes” Mit Romney’s making in London, it’s getting to be def-comedy jam. Basically, it’s fixed for Obama to win. Farewell!! TGIF too!!

  • DAK

    This November will be a squeaker, no doubt about that, but I think Obama will get another term. Not because he WINS the election, but rather because Romney will LOSE the election. The GOP will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this year and I firmly feel Newt and Santorum were correct in their statements during the primaries. Mitt is a liar (Newt) and the worst Republican to run in November (Santorum.)
    Even with all of Obama’s statements, those directly quoted and those taken out of context, all the lies and half-truths about his record and accomplishments (or lack thereof depending on which side you listen to) and even with all the hatred and racial remarks constantly being spewed by those few, but very vocal, racists memeber of the far-rightwing fringe since 2008… All that will make no difference when stacked against the fact that Mitt Romney IS NOT the man for the job. Not his year, not in 2016, nor any year after. A tiger doesn’t change his stripes and Mitt cannot change his past. He can misrepresent it, he can whitewash it, he can run from it, he can even outright lie about it, but he cannot excape it.

    If the GOP wants to win in November, they had better nominate Ron Paul in Tampa. Throw Romney under the bus, talk him into taking one for the team, pay him off with a cabinet position… something, anything. Just get the man off the stage and get him to be quiet and let someone who can give us their own views and a vision for the future. Ron Paul doesn’t tell us what is wrong with Obama, he tells us what he, Ron Paul, wants to do. That is what will bring people out to vote. It is ALWAYS better to be FOR something rather than AGAINST something and this “Anyone but Obama” will only get the GOP so far in the vote tally and I don’t think it will be far enough to win in November. Just my two cents.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rerogersjr Rick Rogers

      Dak Ron Paul would make the election interesting. He does not pander to the Christian right like other republicans.. How a party that says they are for the constitution and then demands that their candidate be “god fearing Christian” is something I don’t understand. I don’t give a tinkers demand what a candidates religion is unless they sacrifice children in the moon light or believe a man is entitled to more then one wife. If churches want to start playing politics then it’s time to start taxing the churchs. If I hear one more time about how they are following gods plan I may throw up. No one knows his plan. No one knows his words. No people the bible was written by men not some divine hand came out of the sky and put it on paper a man wrote it. In fact the first man that is created with translate the bible into English was john Rogers an ancestor of mine. Who just happen to have been bunted at the stake for doing that translation

      • Nadzieja Batki

        You are supposedly a Libertarian, then why does your post sound like a Leftist pretending to be a Libertarian.

      • DaveH

        Nad,
        What did Rick say to make you believe he is a Libertarian?

  • Shelia

    What the President meant was, the customers and clients brought goods from the Business owners, therefore their businesses profited. He did not mean that they did not build it. The Republicans will harp on anything and turn it around to help them.

    • Scott

      Seriously Shelia?!?! Do you really believe what you just said? If you do – you really are lost.

    • Betty

      Sheila…And you think Obama doesn’t do the same thing? Of the two, Mitt or Obama, I believe when Obama’s lips are moving…he’s always lying!

      • Shelia

        and Mitt lips are constantly lying.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      O said exactly what he meant. His words are captured for posterity. You have a problem with hearing and listening.

    • Patriot

      Shelia, you are truly a DRONE and your mind is completely closed. Listen to the speech, his conviction and passion to how he said it, that is truly compelling as to how he really thinks. When the man comes off the teleprompter you see who he really is, a complete socialist, Marxist and what-to-be dictator! We have a civil war within our government and they need to be crushed before it is too late. I feel there is a sleeping giant awakening going on within our country with liberty and freedom winning the day!

    • DaveH

      If he did not mean it, Sheila, why did he say it?

    • Winddrinker

      Shelia, do you have a crystal ball? How is it that you know what he “meant” (instead of what he said!)

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Another OPINION on what obummer MEANT!!! He MEANT exactly what he SAID!!! LOOK OUT!!! IT’S COMING!!!

      • eddie47d

        What Obama said was rather factual for we all depend on someone else to achieve our goals in life. His comment will hardly sink him and those who misinterpret could do more harm than good. Although we should give individual credit where credit is due and he could have explained his comment better.

  • Robert

    Actually Obama should have said. ” You didn’t build that, China did. Just go to Wal-mart and look around “.

    • http://None Mike C

      Good point! I’m so glad that during Obama’s term, especially during the first two years when he had a supermajority, he did so much to stop outsourcing and repeal NAFTA. That has put American manufacturing back on pace.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        He saved GM! 8 out of 10 of their jobs are in China! Our bail out really helped Americans get jobs, right?!?

      • Proud to be American

        To Mike C

        Its that so, then where are the Jobs Mike?

        The only thing I know that this (Imposter) has made the economy worst, and I can not take 4 more years of his BS, if he is re-elected, he will finish us off, he will destroy our country. The man is dirty to the core

      • gunner689AI

        yeah, gvt. regulatory jobs. the only thing they mfg. is paper work.

  • Tazio2013

    BHO – the lesser of two evils – is still preferable to Mittens.

  • JimH

    If it weren’t for successful buisnes there wouldn’t be tax dollars to build roads and bridges. That teacher that may have helped educate a future busuness owner was also payed with tax dollars that wouldn’t have been there without private industry.
    Government relies on business, not business relies on more government.

    • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

      Actually the whole argument is stupid and as usual disingenuous.

      One cannot exist without the others. Consumers, workers, business owners, bankers, government, lawyers and yes even mothers and teachers. That’s what makes the world go ’round. That’s what makes it all possible. That’s why you need to have respect for any and all professions. The world would not be very nice if someone didn’t pick up the garbage.

      Unfortunately there are way too many ego maniacs who still think they do it all on their own and they should have all of the money and all of the credit. They don’t like to share. Isn’t that why we now have the worst inequality and opportunity of all western industrialized nations!

      Greedy bastards is the problem, which is actually a good book by Dylan Ratigan

      • DaveH

        Eric says — “Actually the whole argument is stupid and as usual disingenuous”.
        Eric new favorite word — Disingenuous.
        Eric says — “That’s why you need to have respect for any and all professions”.
        JimH was disrespecting other professions, Eric? How? It seems to me, Eric, that it is you Progressives who are disrespecting other people, like those Business owners who earned their money in voluntary transactions with their customers, whose money you think you should be able to help yourself to.
        And note, Folks, the usual sprinkling of manipulative words and phrases employed by Eric the Progressive in his comment in an adolescent attempt to sway others with emotion rather than fact and logic. This is standard operating procedure for Liberals/Progressives. Don’t let them get away with it.
        Eric is the guy who claims he is well-read but somehow still needs to lace his comments with ridicule, condescension, name-calling, and other adolescent manipulative techniques in lieu of just presenting facts and logic.

      • JimH

        Eric, I don’t believe I diminished the role of the teacher or bridge builder. I was pointing out the importance of buisiness in providing jobs and how without private buisiness the tax base wouldn’t be there to pay for the teachers or bridge building.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Yes DaveH D
        disingenuous |ˌdisinˈjenyoōəs|
        adjective
        not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

        Actually it’s a pretty good description of your behavior Dave

        I only wish I wasn’t called upon so often to use it.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Yes Dave I realize it’s a little complicated for a close minded hard core Mises libertarian but in case you are unaware of it, you constantly make fun, condescend and ridicule anything in government or anyone that happens to work for the government. I guess that must make you feel superior. Only private sector americans are worthy. Only private sector jobs are worthy.

      • JeffH

        Eric the Red, give it up! Yada, yada, yada! The more you run your lips, the deeper you bury yourself!

        Partisans of freedom need not play word games like progressives. We simply need to educate ourselves and those around us, to let the lessons of liberty guide and instruct us. If enough people appreciate this fundamental understanding of freedom and the Constitution, no politician, elitist, progressive shill or media talking head can sell us socialism.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Yes Jim but it’s only an opinion.

        Sometimes govt takes a chance against all conservatism that always says don’t do it, don’t change anything, don’t waste money on solar we don’t need it and it actually does something. Like it or not, it was presidential leadership and governing that spurred the space race and that is why we have so many new successful private businesses in the technology and communications industry today.

        You guys like to throw Solyndra around like it’s a mistake when in reality it’s just one failure caused by the Chinese dumping panels on the market. If you bother to look deeper you find that overall and in spite of the Chinese manipulations, it is good old fashion venture capitalism and it is having sucess. In reality the overall solar development is just in it’s infancy but once again you let the Chinese beat you by waiting too long to put tariffs on them. That’s your free trade for you.

        Who says VC money must only be private? Who says we can’t collectively choose to influence direction? If we’re going to print money I would rather we spent it it on that instead of wars. Or do you believe that only corporations should have that power.

        Thus Citizens United from the Conservative court. God forbid we try and level the playing field by having one progressive member on the Supreme Court. How unfair!

      • JimH

        Eric, The fact that government can only print money or borrow it and not create it, isn’t JUST an oppinion. It is gathered through taxation.
        Solyndra was paid for with tax dollars. Money collected from the public. Not used for what is suposed to be used for. Roads,bridges, teachers.
        Private industry, through taxation supports government, not the other way around. These business paid for the infrustructure that supports them.

      • DaveH

        I’m not candid and sincere, Eric?
        Care to prove your slander, Eric? I can prove you’re a liar and a slanderer.
        Here’s just one example from yesterday’s main article. Follow the thread to Eric’s statement that says “I find it disingenuous that you align yourselves with the Tea Party”:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/26/why-are-obama-democrats-economically-illiterate/#comment-656518
        I have never aligned myself with the hodge-podge of ideology called the Tea Party, but that doesn’t stop the lying Progressive Eric from making that up.
        And on the same board, Eric says this — “You on the other hand and anyone who stands for defense and the obscene military industrial complex are the ones who really are for big govt”.
        Again, I have never said I’m for the military industrial complex. In fact I quite regularly stump against the United States Imperialist Military Actions. But, again, that doesn’t stop the Lying Progressive Eric from making stuff up.
        It seems that these Progressives just can’t be honest. Is it because their policies just can’t stand up to logic and facts? Of course it is.

      • JeffH

        Dave H, not to worry…I know you understand that progressives and liberals base their comments on their emotions…you’ve obviously challenged, among others, Eric the Red and those types of accusations are all they have left. Anybody that has been around here as long as Eric the Red should know where you stand. Al I can say is “stupid is as stupid does”!

  • Michael J.

    His rants are aimed at the wealthy. He will eventually try to point out that rich people got rich by stealing other peoples money. That making a profit is dispicable. This line of thinking wreaks of Bolshevism. The wealthy people of Russia were stripped of there wealth, their homes and thrown into the street. The Proletariate were promised an equal share but received only hunger, destitution and the fear of a midnite knock at their door.

    Out of the closet comes this view of who he really is. I’ve warned of this since 2007, but there can no longer be any doubt, even by his staunchest supporters as to where this is leading.

    Now for the scary part, no incumbent seeking re-election would reveal intentions such as this unless they were somehow assured that a second term was in the bag.

    • Warrior

      The vast majority of “private business” interests (not feeding at the trough) are plenty angry with this joker. There are going to be a lot of “progressives” sent packing this Nov including little barry!

      • Sirian

        I agree with you whole heartedly Warrior but I have a deep sneaking suspicion that the election in November is going to be rigged to the hilt. Between the hassles Holder has created over voter ID as well as SCYTL and associates going to be doing the vote count, sorry, my gut is telling me this isn’t going to have an outcome we are all praying for. Lord I pray I’m wrong!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I have concerns about the validity of the election, myself!

      • Shelia

        you should, because Republicans are trying to keep minorities from voting vote.

      • DaveH

        No Sheila, they’re trying to keep dead people from voting, and they’re trying to keep people from voting twice.

  • FreedomFighter

    Obama is just another commie reading a telepromter.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Sirian

      FF,
      He didn’t have his teleprompter. That, Thank God, is how he managed to openly reveal his true side. I fully agree with you though – without question! Not having his teleprompter provided all of us with a much clearer view of what we have in the Oval Office. The proof is in the puddin’ for sure!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Oh, come on! Seriously?! He didn’t have his teleprompter?!? I thought he was afraid to open his mouth and speak without it. I thought “they” didn’t trust him to open his mouth and speak without it! I guess “they” were right!

  • Harold Olsen

    It’s so obviously clear that Obama, like most liberals, consider successful people to be evil while they consider people who are lazy and want other people to take care of them to be heroes. Therefore, Obama criticizes people who, with hard work and sweat, build successful businesses. Everyday he seems to go out of his way to show what a scumbag he is. While it is true that entrepreneurs don’t build success on their own but by having a good product or service that people want and who keep returning as their customers. But, nevertheless, it was the entrepreneur’s vision that built his business. How they ran it and what they offered is what made it a success.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Harold Olsen,”

      I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR LAST COMMENTS.

      PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE ACCUSED ME OF STEREOTYPING WHEN IT COMES TO NEGROES. YET, I GUARANTEE, ANY NEGRO WHO READ THE PRESIDENT’S WORDS WOULD HAVE THE SAME EXPLANATION I GAVE IN MY COMMENTS.

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        Christopher, maybe it’s time for you to crawl back under your rock.

      • GRusling

        It’s past time for the “Politically Correct” in our midst face the truth, and stop spinning and redefining “words” to try and gain the moral high ground. The word “Negro” is simply “Black” in Spanish, and the Spanish were the major slave traders in colonial times, so the colonists simply picked up on the “word” they used to describe their cargo, and over time it was adapted to their language modification (known as the American dialect) as opposed to proper English and/or Spanish. The word “Black” is OK, but the exact same word spoken in Spanish is somehow not?

        Talk about a group of people being completely illogical…

      • JeffH

        Gee Eric the Red, maybe it’s time for you to return to your homeland…”Mother Russia”.

      • Ron r

        you are an idiot Horton/ ruckus and a coward.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    I FORGOT TO MENTION – OF COURSE, THE KENYAN COULD NOT PLAINLY SAY, “Lord,” IN A POLITICAL SPEECH.

    • http://aol malcoolmX

      but he could say Mohammid, or Abraham

    • Gordon

      One steeped in islam would. Anything to overthrow the infidel is acceptable. Look up the Rev. Jeremiah Wright interview (Hannity was the only one who talked it) in which Wright states that Obama IS a muslim, steeped in islamic culture, and that Obama was not using the Wright church as his spiritual base, but as his political base for politcal ends. Wright also states that Obama tried to pay him off to shut him up and when Wright refused he was threatened. Fact is that the non-citizen muslim new world order marxist is seeking to destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America, and will do so ASAP.

      • Gea

        Barak Hussin cannot help it to be a Maxist Muslim just like his Kenyan dad and Indonesian step dad. In addition, when his mom shipped him back to Hawaii where he lived with his white grandparents and attended a private school when his grandma was a manager of a bank, the grandpa hired Frank Marshall Davis as a tutor and black man role model, which he as a white man could not provide.

        This dude was a member of Hawaiian Communist party (Obama’s Communist Mentor – Accuracy in Media http://www.aim.org › AIM Column) and he was tutoring young Barak Hussein for 8 years, from age 10-18. Such influences go deep and therefore, while Obama is a very rich man, his loyalties are with ideologies of Communism and Islam, either of which stink and are totally un-American, since they are incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. and US Constittuion Even his belonging to a racist church whose reverend Jeremiah Wright ranted GOD DAMN AMERICA (with Obamas keeping mum), is a phoney baloney.

        Obama stand for everything that is contrary to good American values, except his steady marriage. He must be retired in November and go back to Chicago, where he can write about Dreams of his Mother, which will be much more interesting than his Kenyan drunkard father. It will be interesting to know what an intelligent 17 old while girl fell for an older married Muslim Marxist from Kenya and had a child at 18, and then again fell for an Marxist Muslim man from Indonesia, who was a spokesman for oil industry.

        Obama may be a nice man but he is leading America totally astray with his extolling Islam and Koran, dissing Bible and bowing to Saudi king, whose subjects had committed crimes of 9/11, while shouting Allahu Akbar.

  • SamFox

    This is only one of many 0 lies/mis-statements.

    He has a list of lies. Look them up.

    No lobbyists, transparency, lower un-employment..

    Long list.

    SamFox

  • nickolas cordoba

    No, I’m sure everyone knew what Predident Obama said… We can’t figure out why the Republicans can’t… Are they stupid? Or, Didn’t they hear Romney retcact the ad on the very next day… Romney and friends are trying to get away with, “the oldest trick in the book”… Taking President Obama ‘out of context’ won’t work.

    • charlene

      wy dont the blacks hold the clowns feet to the fire. there are blackes out there that stared buisiness. dont they think hes going to hurt them as well. obama only thinks of him self. me, mine i he referd to the white house as his. romney has never had the me guoat down as well as obubber. its time this nut gets cracked.

      • http://aol malcoolmX

        they are BLACK ANTI-AMERICANS FIRST; business folks second.

      • Ron r

        The blacks, that’s a silly statement. Now you see why we (The Blacks) pick another black man over a racist white man, and other racist views.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’d be willing to bet that black business owners see him for what he is. But I believe that uninformed black people (and white people) see only the color of his skin. They think he is here to save them. Many black people (and white people) have become dependent upon the government’s largesse. If a politician is willing to throw something their way, they become loyal fans. People need to realize that the government is doing them no favor by making them dependent. It just keeps them in poverty!

      • Gordon

        Ron R, even you have to admit that ALL people of color are raised in an environment that bombarts them with racial epitaphs about other people, especially whites. And whites too. Each and every racial, ethnic, and social class is taught while they are growing up to hate every thing that is different than themselves and they are taught to point fingers at those who they perceive are the cause of their own individual failures. Hate the other guy’s color. Hate the other guy’s national origin. Hate the other guy’s relligion, hate the other guy’s MONEY or lack of it, hate the other guy’s social status…… etc. Facts are that people in general hate everything and everybody that is different than themselves. Two basic problems….. no self respect and no respect for others…… and a blatant refusal to accept personal responsibility for the out come of their own life. Always remember, when someone points a finger at someone else, there is three more pointing back at them.

      • Winddrinker

        And, Nancy, the government will soon stop all those benefits and free money, if marxists get their way and make this into a socialist country. To give money to one person, the government must take it from someone else. When there are no people left with money for the government to confiscate, there won’t be “obama money” or what one of his supporters called, “an obama stash.”

      • Mike in MI

        Winddrinker -
        There’ll be something else we run out of rather quickly, too. That’d be anybody who practices deviancy that inolves genital arousal – I don’t like calling it anything that references “sex”. Heterosexuality is an honest and Godly establishment. But, even atheistic Commies recognized early on that they had to rid themselves of homos in order for their system to have a reasonably viable future. However, they do promote and “front” it in cultures they are attempting to overthrow. I assume it is because it is such a great destabilizing and epidemic producing influence.

    • DaveH

      Out of Context, Nick? What part of the sentence — “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that” — do you not understand?

      • DaveH

        From the Donkey’s mouth:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng

      • Rick

        The part that came after Faux News cut off the sentance. The “that” was reference to infrastructure, not the business. Listen to the tape when Obama says in the next sentance that “the point is…..”, and then he speaks about what infrastructure proceeds the building of a business like roads, bridges, etc. That’s not reference to the business. Honestly, all the morons who pick out the words they want and ignore the facts, just show their complete ignorance. Listen to Romney’s speech before the Olympics in Utah and he said to the athletes exactly the same thing about those who came before you and built a base so you could suceed..

      • speak truth

        Go to the entire comment. How stupid do you think american people are? Just because this rag, Newsmax and Faux Propaganda channel along with Rush the drug addict took the comments out of context…there is a problem for you anti americans….its called the video tape. Mutt robme has flip flopped on every issue, Santorum was right, he cant win, he installed Robme care in Mass with the mandate.The same man wrote the Mass bill wrote the Affordable Health care act. Robme has flip flopped so many times, no one knows what he actually would do as Presidunce. Release your taxes Mutt…at least 12 years just like Obama and Biden. But, you wont Mutt because the one year you did release proved you not only sent your money overseas to avoid paying taxes, you obviously dont trust american banks? How patriotic? Mutt ran to France in Vietnam to avoid going to war in Vietnam..how can he be Commander in Chief? Sorry, but your racists would rather have the white guy as president, even though he continues to outsource our jobs to China and India, while our country is going down the tubes. No foreign policy experience except when he was ran to France to avoid the draft…bring it on Mutt..

      • DaveH

        It’s right there on Youtube. Straight out of the horse’s mouth.
        “If you’ve got a business, that, You didn’t build that”.
        And why else would he be saying all those things about our need for other peoples’ assistance in order to succeed? The answer is obvious. He wants to grow our Leviathan Government even larger than it already is, using the excuse that we aren’t an island. So what? The facts show that the Bigger Government is, the smaller the economy is. It’s not only an experiential fact, it’s a logical conclusion. People in Government are insulated from repercussions for bad decisions. So where’s the incentive to perform? Plus they can force us to buy their products, unlike private businesses who must please their voluntary consumers or perish, thus losing their investments and whatever sweat equity they put into them.
        For those who want to learn the fact that Bigger Government begets Smaller Economies:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Speak Truth says — “there is a problem for you anti americans….its called the video tape”.
        Okay, here it is:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzf4yjphgf8

      • TML

        Rick says, “The “that” was reference to infrastructure, not the business…. … Honestly, all the morons who pick out the words they want and ignore the facts, just show their complete ignorance.”

        The ignorance seems to be yours through a lack of reading comprehension. The entire context of his speech, as even you readily admit, was about the infrastructure as a whole being the sole reason for success… and then says, “if you have got a business, you didn’t build that.”

        “That” was in direct reference to the business you ‘got’ …with preceding context which says it wasn’t because you were smart, it wasn’t because you worked hard.

        Go back to English class Rick

      • Gordon

        Spaek The Truth/ they’re pretty damn stupid. That’s how this nation got to be so screwed up. People with no knowledge of the simplest things of life are voting on things they have absolutely no concept of what the heck is happening. That is why pretty faces, fancy rhetoric, and wild claims get votes. 80% of the general public are incompetent and can’t even balance a budget,,,, or don’t have one. Chose to not be educated, and then bitch that somebody is cheating them. Wtshtf in a year or so, yall better be prepared to live in this 3rd world country.

      • Pathfinder

        Why is it that every time Obama gets on the class warfare kick does his defenders have to re interpret what he says? This eloquent excuse for a president speaks clearly; we do not need his apologists offering translations of what they thought he said.

      • Ron r

        Gordon, I was not raised to hate anyone because of color or lack of. In fact I never saw racism untill we moved from Calf. to my fathers home in Tenn. (1960′s) My parents never taught hate, they did however tell us to stand up for ourselves.

      • macgyver1948

        Ron r… For people who refuse to find out the truth and just take the out-of-context BS there will be no hope for them until they want the truth by finding out.

        For those who can say, without finding out, “Out of Context, Nick? What part of the sentence — “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that” — do you not understand?” as DaveH says, proves he/they are not willing to know the truth or to even investigate to find out.

        Ron r… I believe you are wasting your emotions and efforts on those who choose to not find out anything but to believe what they are told to believe… For those of us who listened to Obama’s speech on this one we know what he really said and it isn’t what Root and Wood and Koch want anyone to believe. So, it is they who do not “understand”, as DaveH says…

      • Mike in MI

        OK, Rick –
        If the “That” is in reference to infrastructure then what do you make of his cruel promise to spend all that stimulus $$$ on infrastructure, roads and “shovel ready jobs” that somehow weren’t there to dig? Evidently he was just flapping his gums without any real concern for the poor people he claimed to be so intent on helping. Also, explain to us were the money went…if you dare.
        If this charlatan is so-o-o-o eddicadid, entaligint, and hahvid preepayud why in the name of Obama can’t he put together a clear paragraph that clearly states what he intends to say – or IS what he said what he intended in order to confuse and divide everybody? (More Alinsky. Never say what you mean unless you can do it out of both sides of your face and walk it back to scramble any discussion.)
        By the way, If he really meant that government roads and services are the cause of a business’ success and his efforts are why “It’s workin’ ” and why everything is improving so much why did he let all those businesses go down the tubes?
        Why didn’t he stop them from closing their doors? He could have made them succeed, couldn’t he? Why did he make all those pink slips go out and workers lose their homes? He could have helped the middle class a lot better that way.
        Why didn’t he?… unless he’s just plain cruel…or REALLY stupid…or both. On the other hand maybe he’s just a conman and you’re his willing mark who likes getting took.

    • Derek Schneider

      He very specifically stated YOU did not build THAT.
      It was written that way…he didn’t misread his ever present teleprompter.
      It is not out of context…it is exactly as he stated.
      This president thinks everything we have is an asset of our government…when, constitutionally, the government is supposed to be an asset of the people…not a redistribution of wealth from working people to people who are dependent on our government to pay their way through life.

    • http://None Mike C

      Nickolas, I think you have taken the comments out of context. Listen to it again on youtube and focus on the way he says. His tone. See if you can sense his disdain for all things capitalistic. Humans are quite clever. We can read into not just the words but the body langauge and the tone of voice. We can take in all that information then ration out his actions and policies as a comparison. Truth is, In 4 years Obama has really done very little to help the private sector. We have massive unemployment, little growth, debt. His focus has been on infrastructure and healthcare- things the people did not want.

    • EdinNola

      Yes we heard EXACTLY what Obama said. And the comments were not taken out of context.

      Fact is Elizabeth Warren said almost exactly the same thing beforehand – maybe she was told to run it up the flagpole and see how many people noticed or objected. As for you guys who insist on justifying that political faux pas, those roads, were built with taxpayer money and most continue to be maintained by taxpayer money, most of which came / comes from businesses. Businesses which use the highways pay fuel taxes – they pay road use taxes – licensing fees – they pay more than their fair share of taxes generally. Communication systems can hardly be said to be provided by government – more like government sustains itself by leaching off the communication system. Water, garbage, etc. etc. etc. are PAID for by usage. Where do you or anyone else get off by trying to detract from legitimate creators. Government creates nothing but heartache and stumbling blocks for society, especially when it takes on the Marxist tones of the current administration.

      Your position and Obama’s is the core Marxist position that everything belongs to and comes from the central authority or the government. I totally reject that position and challenge anyone to truthfully name any country which has successfully maintained a “Communist government” for more than one generation without aid from the USA or some other “wealth” source.

      The bottom line is that Communism or Marxism is a public relations scam. Lie to the people so they will give you power. Alinsky was indeed being truthful when he said the object of Community Organizing (Communism) was POWER. Nothing else, certainly nothing altruistic, just power for the “Organizer”.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Exactly! You speak the truth!

      • Winddrinker

        Edin, good post.

      • Gordon

        Have youz ever talked to lots of people from every walk of life and asked them what they would do IF they won the lottery? I have. I have done it for decades. It is a very good indicator of whom those people are.

        Most all will say that they will sit on their laurels and vegetate, retire, etc. Few would continue working, anywhere. Fewer would build a business for their personal satisfaction and success. Facts are simple and obvious. When people get FREE MONEY they will take their money and their talents and piss them all away. The sign says “Don’t feed the bears. They will get dependent on handouts and become a nuciense to people”.

    • Shelia

      Nickolas Cordoba you are right. The Republicans will harp on anything and lie about everything to win this election.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THE KENYAN’S STATEMENT, “If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.,” IS A TRADITIONAL NEGRO STATEMENT DATING FROM SLAVERY TIMES.

    DURING SLAVERY, NEGROES BELIEVED THEIR “GOD” – “Allah” FOR AFRICAN-BORN SLAVES AND “Jesus Christ” FOR AMERICAN-BORN SLAVES – WOULD BE [AND, WAS IN THE LATE 1860s] THEIR “SAVIOR” FROM BONDAGE. THEREFORE, THEY CONSIDERED THEIR “GOD” TO BE THEIR “ULTIMATE HELP.” SINCE SLAVERY, NEGROES HAVE GIVEN “GOD” ALL THE CREDIT FOR GOOD AND BAD THINGS WHICH HAPPEN TO THEM IN LIFE. ACCORDING TO NEGROES, IF YOU GO TO COLLEGE, OR, GET A JOB PROMOTION (FOR EXAMPLES), “The Lord did it!”

    THEREFORE, THE KENYAN’S STATEMENT HAS BEEN HEARD SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LIVES OF NEGROES. I AM QUITE SURE THE KENYAN FIRST HEARD THIS IDEOLOGICAL STATEMENT DURING HIS CHILDHOOD.

    SO CAUCASIANS, HE IS SAYING BUSINESS OWNERS ARE ONLY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THE, “Lord’s help.” IN NEGROES’ OPINION [I GUESS, EVEN IN A "PARTIAL" ONE], NO ONE CAN DO N-O-T-H-I-N-G, WITHOUT THE “Lord.”

    • Harold Olsen

      In one speech on this subject, Obama state that the entrepreneur didn’t build his business but the government did. Not reference to God was made. Besides, many white Christians thank the Lord for their success.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Harold Olsen,”

        YOU MISSED MY POINT. NEGROES CAN NOT COMPLETE TWO SENTENCES WITHOUT A RELIGIOUS REFERENCE. NEGROES “CALL UPON” THE “Lord” FOR EVERYTHING.

        I AM NOT SAYING CAUCASIANS ARE NOT RELIGIOUS. I AM SAYING YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH CAUCASIANS WITHOUT RELIGIOUS REFERENCES.

        NEGROES NO LONGER TELL PEOPLE, “Goodbye” – NOW, THEY SAY, “Have a blessed day,” WITH NO REGARD OF WHETHER THE RECIPIENT CONSIDERS EVERY DAY TO BE A “blessing.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Harold Olsen,”

        YOUR COMMENTS PROVE YOU HAVE LITTLE INTERACTION WITH NEGROES. THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD INTERACT WITH NEGROES AND NOT KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rerogersjr Rick Rogers

        By your words your showing your bigoted thoughts. Negro has been considered offensive for more years then I can count but you use it anyway. It’s not being PC that I am talking about its just being polite

      • Chester

        Chris, IF you are going to talk about what god the African slaves referred to, best get your FACTS straight. First and foremost, the Muslims were slave takers, NOT slaves themselves. Most of the Africans taken as slaves had their own tribal gods, and yes, gods as in more than one. They were not exposed to our monotheistic ways until after they were captured, and in many cases, aboard ships heading for the Americas. As far as Obama’s statement about “you didn’t build that”, ever try turning it around and saying “you didn’t build those?” Also, he could just as easily have been referring to all the infrastructure as a unit, roads, bridges, water and sewer lines, electricity supply, and all the rest of the things you HAVE to have to build a modern business. Can you walk out in the middle of the wilderness and build a successful business with gross income exceeding a thousand dollars a day? You MIGHT be able to do it, but you are going to have to do a LOT of property improvement first, and that is not going to come cheap, whether in actual cash outlay or physical labor on your part. More than likely it will take both, unless you have the ability to make your shovels and axes, and all the rest of the needed hand tools, from scratch.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        To Rick Rogers and the rest of you, Christopher Horton is a black man. If he wants to call black people “negros”, what’s it to you? Is it surprising to hear from a conservative black man? Is it surprising if he doesn’t abide in political correctness? I think he can call himself whatever he wants regardless that WE find it shocking. He is here sharing things from a black perspective. If we critisize and not listen how will we know what black people are thinking and what their basic upbringing is. Very few of us can see things through their eyes so it would benefit all of us to learn what their core beliefs are. When you accuse him of being racist you are pointing out your own bias and political correctness. Let the man be who he is and we can all learn something from him.

      • TML

        Chester says, “Can you walk out in the middle of the wilderness and build a successful business with gross income exceeding a thousand dollars a day? You MIGHT be able to do it, but you are going to have to do a LOT of property improvement first, and that is not going to come cheap, whether in actual cash outlay or physical labor on your part.”

        That would be called a farm, much like the first settlers of the frontier, genius… so the answer to that would be yes, you absolutely can. I suppose Obama would say those settlers didn’t build that either.

        Chester says, “Also, he could just as easily have been referring to all the infrastructure as a unit, roads, bridges, water and sewer lines, electricity supply, and all the rest of the things you HAVE to have to build a modern business.”

        He is indeed talking about such things as a whole, but the only obvious conclusion for saying such things in the context of his speech was as Chip pointed out…. Obama is saying that “every successful entrepreneur in America owes a debt of gratitude — and a lot more taxes — to government. Not only that, but the more successful you are, the more you owe.”

        P.S. To the rest of the posters; there’s nothing wrong with saying Negro… and you don’t have to be black to say it…. Negro literally means Black in Spanish, ugh

        And to CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON………. LAY OFF THE CAPS, MAN!

      • Gordon

        just because CAH is black doesn’t mean he speaks for the negro race nor the negro culture in the USA. Fact from my experience, generally speaking, is that educated blacks are totally different people from the inner city and the southern slave decendent blacks. Their viewpoint of life and culture is diametrically opposite. There are no cultural similarities at all, unless they force themselves into “black” of it. 20 yrs ago I had a black neighbor who wouldn’t let his brother’s hip-hop, backwards hats, saggy pants, filthy mouth, theiving, ghetto talking kids on his property….. and they had “in the yard” arguments about it. Fact is that good moral adult people of any racial or ethnic decendency abhor the pathetic cultural values that are destroying the USA and what we stand for. Including “red neck Billy Bob and his camo pickup” culture that hides under the blanket of patriotism. Respect. Lack of self respect and respect for other is the whole problem and salvation (or destrtuction) of the USA, is the values and guidance that the PARENTS have given their children on their life’s journey. Since the 60s, we have the blind leading the blind, and they both fall into the ditch. 99% of the problems occur because of the parents. Without strong parental guidance all culture is doomed. period.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Chester,”

        BEFORE CAUCASIANS COLONIZED AFRICA, MOSLEMS HAD ALREADY BROUGHT ISLAM TO SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA. AN EASY EXAMPLE IS Kunta Kinte AND THE OTHER AFRICAN-BORN SLAVES IN THE FILM, “Roots” – THEY WERE MOSLEMS.

      • Mike in MI

        Christopher Allen Horton – Well said, sir.
        You have to forgive these people who don’t have much understanding of the Book they claim to believe – the Bible. The Africans used, and evidently from what you say…still do, the same phraseology as the ancient writers like Moses and all the other holy men of God who were “moved by the Holy Spirit” to write what they wrote. It shows how all those people had the same or very similar linguistic background.The Hebrews had the exact same usage in ascribing evil deeds to God and He took it because He has wide shoulders. He did not want the Hebrews to spend their time in focus on the Devil and his doings – for various reasons. So instead he was content to let them lay the blame or praise on Him for virtually everything. In the Old Testament the people could not be spiritual (John 7:39 – ” holy spirit was not yet given, because that Jesus was not yet glorified.” That’s what Jesus Christ came to make available to those who accept him and what he has to offer.)
        That’s a great insight you’ve given me into that part of our culture. One I had no knowledge of. Helps me understand a whole lot of things I had experienced and could have been pleased – but wasn’t.
        I’m grateful.
        You wites who think you’ve got a clue – - -??? – - – you’re hapless.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        THANKS MA’AM FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

        PEOPLE ARE CHOSING TO TWIST MY WORDS TO FIT THEIR AGENDAS.

        SLAVES BORN IN AFRICA WERE ALREADY MOSLEMS AT THE TIME OF EUROPEAN CAPTURE. Kunta Kinte AND HIS PARENTS [FROM, "Roots"] WERE MOSLEMS. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME CHECK HISTORICAL DATA.

        “Chester” TWISTED MY WORDS AND STATED I SAID SLAVE OWNERS WERE MOSLEMS. “Chester” LIED!

        I STAND BY E-V-E-R-Y WORD I WRITE!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mike in MI,”

        SIR, THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS. I FEEL LIKE I AM UNDER ATTACK BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF NEGRO CULTURE AND RELIGION.

      • http://www.PicklingTheBeast.blogspot.com pj Connolly

        If CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON is black, I’m Alice in Wonderland! He may PRETEND to be black, but that dude is as cracker as they come. Nice try, though.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “pj Connolly,”

        MA’AM, OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE NOT READ MY COMMENTS IN OTHER THREADS; THE “Gays in Boy Scouts” THREAD SHOULD ALLEVIATE YOUR CONFUSION.

      • eddie47d

        Christopher is probably right that some slaves that came to America were Muslims since most came here in the 1700′s long before Africa was colonized by Europe and Christian ministers.

      • Stephen Tareila

        I most certainly thank the Lord. Remember the “Protestant Work Ethic”? As far as the title to this article, “The lie that should sink Obama”, I hope that it will but seriously doubt it.

        Obama said many things which should have ensured the victory of McCain or almost any Republican but he still won, even Virginia, N. Carolina and Florida. Is he winning in these states today? Where are the Republicans making meaningful inroads into Obama’s electoral count?

        Small business owners like myself didn’t vote for him last time and Blacks voted overwhelmingly for him last time. Will this or any article change those results?
        Women love him despite his fondness for a religion that is oppressive to women. This article doesn’t change that.

        As I blogged often during the primaries, Romney is a weak candidate and not charismatic like Obama, who unfortunately is. We needed Palin to break up the fallow ground but she did not run.

        Do you think we need a Conservative President to appoint conservatives to the courts, especially the Supreme Court? I can assure you that liberals have turned that argument on me since Bush’s appointee, Roberts, voted to uphold Obamacare and it was his vote that counted. This article doesn’t nullify that election destroying travesty. Independents in the swing(purple) states must be won to Romney’s camp but how and when?

        I hope that I’m wrong, but you’d best prepare for 4 more years. Sorry.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Rick Rogers wrote: “…your bigoted thoughts. Negro has been considered offensive … It’s not being PC that I am talking about its just being polite.”

        Rick, Negro is one, who belongs to the Negroid RACE. And Negro should not be considered offensive, but not long ago (historically) there were “civil rights” activist like al sharpton or jesse jackson who did not like this term, because some people used the word in a derogatory manner, especially in the time of the Jim Crow Law (1876 – 1965).

        But who mostly use the word Negro derogatorily? Surprise, surprise – DEMONcrats, who in 1870s increasingly returned to the power, especially in the southern states because they intimidated opponents and attacked Negros, preventing them from voting. (Isn’t familiar picture, Rick?) But when DEMONcrats started to lose elections, they suddenly became profoundly sentimental and heartrending toward Negros, because they needed additional votes. And from 1960’s DEMONcrats started rewrite history and invented PC. Since then to use word NEGRO become profoundly offensive and no longer in technical use and in those occasions when the word itself must be discussed, as in court or in a newspaper editorial or on TV it was replaced by “the n-word.” Thus the word NEGRO became taboo.

        For example homosexuals hate to be called HOMOSEXUAL. They want that everybody call them GAYS. But if you will call PIG a CHICKEN, it does not changed the FACT that the “CHICKEN” continuing to be a PIG.

        In European countries, at list which I visited (Spain, Portugal, Austria, Italy, Czech Republic, Poland, Russia) the “Blacks” are called Negros and no one perceives it as derogatory.

        Short Lecture on Race:
        In FORENSIC anthropology, there are FIVE main races of the human races, which are based on the physical characteristics like cranial profile (skull and facial features), genetic markers (DNA), hair structure, skin color
        :
        1. Caucasian/Caucasoid/Europoid (White) race
        2. Mongoloid/Mongolian (Yellow) race (Mongolians, Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Koreans)
        3. Negroid/Negro (Black) race
        4. American Indigenous (Red) race
        5. Malayan (Brown) race (Malayans, Indonesians, Philippines)

        The FORENSIC anthropology is widely used in law enforcement for suspects’ race profiling, especially ‘genetic testing’ – DNA.
        The whole genome testing determines your race identity/characteristics/uniqueness.
        For example Negro “diva” oprah tested herself (probably she wanted to find some White genes). But her genome test determined/revealed that she is 89% Sub-Saharan African NEGRO, 8% Native American and 3% East Asian.
        I hope it was helpful for you, Rick Rogers.
        Best wishes

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “eddie47d,”

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY, SIR, THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

        I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR REPLIES ON MY Kunta Kinte REFERENCES. OBVIOUSLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE NOT SEEN, “Roots.” IN THE FILM, “Amistad,” Sengbe Pieh WAS ALSO MOSLEM.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alondra,”

        HOMOSEXUALITY IS A BIO-SEXUAL ORIENTATION. WITHIN THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY, VARIOUS HOMOSEXUALS LIKE TO USE VARIOUS MONIKERS:

        I). “Gay” – a male homosexual who is politically-active.
        II). “Lesbian” – a female homosexual who is politically-active.
        III). “Queer” – primarily, an effeminate-male homosexual who became politically-active after being upset by heterosexual nonchalance in reference to medical research [and, cure] for HIV-infection. “Queer” is also used for overtly-masculine female homosexuals who value a “protest approach” for solving problems.
        IV). “Queen” – an effeminate Negro male homosexual. Originally, “queen” referred to the practice of “vogue” – an artful display of Negro-male homosexuals mimicking the mannerisms of heterosexual Negro females. Currently, many Caucasian-male homosexuals who are effeminate also refer to themselves as, “queens.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alondra,”

        I AM A PRODUCT OF EARLY 1970s INTELLECTUALISM. AT THAT TIME, ANTHROPOLOGISTS REFERRED TO THREE RACES OF MANKIND – CAUCASOIDS, MONGOLOIDS AND NEGROIDS.

        THESE SCIENTISTS POINTED-OUT PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES AMONG THESE THREE RACES IN REFERENCE TO THINGS LIKE, LENGTH AND WIDTH OF LIPS AND NOSES.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON, with all due respect, I am disagree with your definitions of HOMOSEXUALITY (“IS A BIO-SEXUAL ORIENTATION”), BISEXUALITY, GAY, LESBIAN, QUEER and “QUEEN” and I am agree with the Wikipedia and the Webster Dictionaries’ definitions, which are differ from yours.

        Wikipedia: HOMOSEXUALITY is romantic or sexual attraction or behavior BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE SAME SEX OR GENDER … HOMOSEXUALITY is ONE OF THE THREE MAIN CATEGORIES OF SEXUAL ORIENTATION, along with BISEXUALITY and HETEROSEXUALITY.

        Merriam Webster dictionary : ho•mo•sex•u•al
        1) relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
        2) relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

        You, CHRISTOPHER said: “HOMOSEXUALITY IS A BIO-SEXUAL ORIENTATION”
        The problem with that is that NONE of the many researches into the role of biology in the development of human sexual orientation has NOT been demonstrated, regardless of the hard push from the homosexual community. This community was “successful” in the removing homosexuality from the EPA’s (the oldest Psychological Association in the United States) official list of psychiatric disorders in December of 1973 because in 1970 the SAME-GENDER SEX ACTIVISTS began a PROGRAM OF INTIMIDATION AIMED at the American PSYCHIATRIC ASSOCIATION (APA), which was LED BY RADICALS like Frank Kameny.

        Wikipedia: GAY is a word that primarily refers to a homosexual person.
        The term was originally used to refer to feelings of being “carefree”, “happy”, or “bright and showy”; it had also come to acquire some connotations of “immorality” as early as 1637.[1]
        But from the 20th century that the word began to be used to mean specifically “HOMOSEXUAL”, which means romantic or sexual attraction or behavior BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE SAME SEX OR GENDER. In the case of the “GAYS” it refers to the MALE GENDER.

        Wikipedia: LESBIAN is a term most widely used in the English language to describe sexual and romantic desire BETWEEN FEMALES.[1]

        CHRISTOPHER, as you can see the “GAY” and “LESBIAN” have nothing to do with the “political-activity”. These terms just reflect the sexual desire toward another of the same sex and the sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex.

        Wikipedia: Queer is an umbrella term for sexual minorities[1] that are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary. In the context of Western identity politics the term also acts as a label setting queer-identifying people apart from discourse, ideologies, and lifestyles that typify mainstream LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transsexual) communities as being oppressive or assimilationist.
        This term is controversial because it was reappropriated only two decades ago from its use as an anti-gay epithet. Furthermore, some LGBT people disapprove of using queer as a catch-all because they consider it offensive, derisive or self-deprecating given its continuous use as a form of hate speech. Other LGBT people may avoid queer because they associate it with political radicalism, or simply because they perceive it as the faddish slang of a “younger generation.”

        Wikipedia: In gay slang, QUEEN is a term used to refer to flamboyant or effeminate gay men. The term can either be pejorative or celebrated as a type of self-identification.

        TheFreeDictionary.com: QUEEN
        6. Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual man.

        Best wishes

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,

        Anthropology is the academic STUDY OF HUMANITY. It deals not only with the physical characteristics of the RACIAL GROUPS, but also with the social and cultural organization
        The three race groups you mentioned (CAUCASOIDS, MONGOLOIDS AND NEGROIDS) are the main three racial groups.

        But there are the differences even within these groups such as skin color (which depends from the level of the melanin in the human skin) facial shape, hair thickness and others.

        For example Spaniard CAUCASOIDS’ skin is darker than Scandinavian CAUCASOIDS; the facial features of the NEGROS from the East Africa differ from the Central and West Africa.

        I do not know if you know the fact that Ethiopians, regardless of their brown skin, do not belong to the Negro race. They are Caucasian.

        Other racial groups: Indigenous peoples of the Americas, Australian Aborigines,
        MULATTOS are who is born from one white parent and one black parent.

        There are a few Métis groups:
        Métis people (USA) are an indigenous people of mixed Native American/First Nations and European ancestry. Some Métis also have African or/and Asian or/and Pacific Islander ancestry.

        BLACK NATIVE Americans is a term that refers to people of African-American descent, usually with significant Native American ancestry, who also have strong ties to Native American culture, social, and historical traditions.

        ESKIMOS are indigenous peoples who have traditionally inhabited the circumpolar region from eastern Siberia (Russia), across Alaska (United States), Canada, and Greenland.
        In Canada, the term usually designates a constitutionally recognized individual born of an Aboriginal group, descended primarily from the marriages of Scottish and French men to Cree, Saulteaux, and Ojibwa women

        Best wishes

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alondra,”

        BISEXUALITY, TRANSVESTISM AND MOST CASES OF TRANSSEXUALISM ARE PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDERS. IN RARE INSTANCES, TRANSSEXUALISM HAS A GENETIC COMPONENT.

        THERE ARE ONLY TWO BIO-SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS – HETEROSEXUALITY AND HOMOSEXUALITY.

        ALL HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE ATHEISTS. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOMOSEXUALS WHO FOLLOW, Jesus Christ – SUCH A FOLLOWING IS A FORM OF SELF-HATE.

      • http://yahoo chetohimler

        @Rick Rodgers…the term/word “negro” is the correct terminology to discribe a black person. Negro comes from the latin word negro, which means black. The only ones that get offended by this word are the Afro-Americans. In Latin America, it is appropriate to call someone of color negro without offending the person. In Latin America it is proper to call people by their native origin, such as Indio (indian), Mulato (mixed), guerro (white/blonde). Only in the United States do our black people take offense for everything. My wife is half Asian, my friends and relatives call her chinita (little chinese woman), she loves it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alondra,”

        I DISAGREE WITH A-L-L OF YOUR RESEARCH; IT IS COMPLETE BALONEY! YET – AS A NEGRO-MALE HOMOSEXUAL WHO HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY SINCE THE AGE OF SEVEN (I AM NOW, FORTY-FIVE), I HAVE NO NEED TO DISPUTE EACH OF YOUR FINDINGS IN COUNTERPOINT.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON, my “RESEARCH” IS NOT “BALONEY”.

        Actually, sir, it my knowledge, which I got thru my EDUCATION in two European Universities, where I studied Philosophy & Human Psychology, which include: Human Character Types, Personality, sense of Identity & Identity Formation & Identity paradoxes & also I studied Human Sexuality & Sexual Perversions and much, much more. So my statements are NOT “BALONEY”, but the FACTS.

        Analyzing your posts on this Web, Christopher, I can tell you that YOUR CHARACTER TYPE is:
        FALSE (the false character pretends to be something THAT YOU ARE NOT & deliberately telling falsehoods)

        FOOLISH (which is the opposite of wise character. It means lack knowledge)

        SELFISH (do things for you own purpose)

        AMBIGUOUS (you want to keep people on the toes as they could guess that you are good).

        Your PERSONALITY, Christopher, is: Coldly MANIPULATIVE, UNSTABLE emotionally (Borderline), Seeking attention (Histrionic), Seeks praise (Narcissistic), Seeking support in your lies (Depended), Seeks control (Psychopathic).

        Your Personality dimensions, Christopher, are:
        SUBJECTIVITY (detached objectivity)
        CONTRARIAN (go against what said)
        LOCUS OF CONTROL (internal vs. external view of where control happens).
        I could continue, but I am going to stop here.

        I have to say, that your last comment revealed a lot who you are in reality.

        Short Summary: you are FALSE, MANIPULATIVE, FOOLISH, UNSTABLE, SELFISH NARCISSIST who is very subjective and who is seeking praise & attention.

        Christopher, YOUR PERSONALITY has a lot in common with the Irish White-Negro “the Kenyan” – lying, deceiving, hateful narcissist.

        Christopher, my advice to you: STOP posting PHONY-BALONEY. You are not smart like you want to sell yourself.

        You said: “I HAVE NO NEED TO DISPUTE EACH OF YOUR FINDINGS IN COUNTERPOINT”. You are correct, man. You have no need, but also you have no ability, because “EACH” my “COUNTERPOINT” based on the FACTS and you are lacked of the FACTS and of the knowledge. This just confirms how “smart” you are.

        P.S. The evidence that you are a LIAR:
        In last your post you are saying: “(I AM NOW, FORTY-FIVE)”. But in your comment July 28, 2012 at 3:48 am you said: “I AM A PRODUCT OF EARLY 1970s INTELLECTUALISM”. So in early 1970s you were 5-7 years old.

        Have a good day, Christopher, and do NOT STOP educate yourself.
        Alondra from Europe

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alondra,”

        FIRST, I WILL ADDRESS THE O-N-L-Y OFFENSIVE COMMENT YOU MADE TO ME – AND, OH MAN, IT WAS EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE.

        YES – I WAS A PRODUCT OF EARLY-1970s INTELLECTUALISM. THERE IS NO WAY I CAN MAKE YOU BELIEVE ME. I WAS BORN IN 1966. AS A V-E-R-Y SMALL CHILD, I BECAME FASCINATED WITH LEARNING. BEFORE KINDERGARTEN, I HAD AN ABUNDANCE OF BOOKS AVAILABLE TO ME IN MY HOME. I LOVED Mister Roger’s Neighborhood. A-N-Y ADULT (CAUCASIAN AND NEGRO) WHO WAS IN MY ENVIRONMENT AT THAT TIME, RECOGNIZED MY INTELLECT AS A SMALL CHILD. [If you want to say I am bragging - fine!]. NO, I DID NOT MAKE ALL “As” IN K-12, NOR, COLLEGE. BUT, I DID MAKE “As” IN SUBJECTS WHICH APPEALED TO ME – FINE- AND LIBERAL ARTS. I ENROLLED IN COLLEGE WHEN I WAS SIXTEEN. I WAS NOT ONE OF THOSE STUDENTS WHO WENT TO COLLEGE IN ORDER TO MAKE “DADDY” AND “MAMA” HAPPY. MY FIRST DAY AT, Arkansas State University, WAS THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE!

        “Alondra” IF YOU AND “Ron r” WANT TO BELIEVE I AM CAUCASIAN PRETENDING TO BE NEGRO – FINE. I HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO NO ONE.

        “Alondra,” YOUR BACKGROUND IN PSYCHOLOGY, ETC., DOES NOT “TRUMP” MY FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF THE VARIOUS SUB-GROUPS UNDER THE HOMOSEXUAL “UMBRELLA.”

        “Alondra,” THINK WHAT YOU WISH OF ME.

        BEST WISHES,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Alondra” MADE THE STATEMENT, [sic] “…Ethiopians…are Caucasians.” SINCE SHE IS A PRODUCT OF EUROPEAN UNIVERSITIES, THIS STATEMENT “SPEAKS VOLUMES” ABOUT THE INTELLECTUAL CAPABILITIES OF EUROPEAN SCHOLARS. SO, I GUESS EUROPEANS WISH TO “RE-INVENT THE WHEEL” BY CLAIMING THE FIRST HUMANS ON EARTH DID NOT COME FROM THE DEPTHS OF SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA.

        I HAVE N-E-V-E-R HEARD A-N-Y SCHOLAR SAY HUMANS ORIGINATED IN PRESENT-DAY SCANDINAVIA.

        THIS NEW INFORMATION – COURTESY OF, “Alondra” – MEANS AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES ARE NOT IN THE “BAD SHAPE” WE THOUGHT; THE “BOOBY PRIZE” GOES TO EUROPE!

      • http://http//yahoo.com sophillyjimmy

        @ Alondra, in one of your comments you analyzed Christopher in depth, now I do not know Christopher nor do I know you and I will not deny any of what you claim or what Christopher claims but I will say this, Alondra, you did in fact clearly hit it right on the button if you are explaining Obama, there is no denying this from anyone of the people commenting in here, he is everything that you claimed that Christopher is and I do commend you for making your statements and although you made them towards Chrisopher, it is uncanny that you explained the psychological make up of Obama.

    • http://aol malcoolmX

      what a crock of BS listen to him you idiot ;;he mentions nothing about divine intervention

    • Derek Schneider

      You, sir, are a bigot and a racist.
      People like you support the liberal contention that all Republicans are racists…all they need to do is point at your ignorant comments and suddenly ALL conservatives are racists. I suggest you get out from under your rock…this way of thinking will be the downfall of this country…and of the conservative point of view.

      • Winddrinker

        Derek, there is nothing wrong with using a legitimate word like Negro.
        That is what these people are…if they are not “Negros” what are they?
        That is like saying that you can’t call oriental people “Asians” or you can’t call White people “Caucasians.”

        You are being very “hateful” yourself.

      • Smilee

        Republicans are not racists nor do I think liberals think they are but the republican party attract a lot more racists to their party than any other party for what ever reason. When i was active with the republican party I knew many of them who were racists and was one of the reasons I am no longer active with this party but not the only reason.

      • macgyver1948

        Smille… You say to Derek Schneider “Republicans are not racists nor do I think liberals think they are but the republican party attract a lot more racists to their party than any other party for what ever reason. When i was active with the republican party I knew many of them who were racists and was one of the reasons I am no longer active with this party but not the only reason”.

        I hope that most Republicans are not bigots but we should remember something from history. The KKK were pretty much Democrats in the first half of the 20th century and when they saw they couldn’t “persuade” the majority of Democrats to be as they are, the major majority of them (who knows, maybe all) “converted” to the Republican Party.

        Just something to consider but I still hope there is God in many of the Republicans and not the “Only we are right and if you disagree with us (in religion and in politics) you have to be wrong” kind. I know many liberals who do not just jump to the wrong conclusion that republicans are racists . We generally do not think that way until one proves he/she is. I wonder what Jesus would say about the KKK and The John Birch Society (by whatever name they are now using). I bet he wouldn’t like them but that is just my take on him from reading the Christian bibles..

      • nc

        Derek. what “true conservative” has ever lead this nation to it’s ” number one” positon in the world? Is there another “POSITION” above” number one” in the world??? Where would you rather live?? Go there!!!

      • DaveH

        We haven’t had anything close to a True Conservative Government in this country for at least 100 years, NC.
        And by number 1, what do you mean — in world busibodiness?
        Or are you talking about Liechtenstein?
        https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html

    • Norm

      Christopher
      You are one narrow minded racist dude. Heil Hitler!

      • msbets

        bottom line, obama is one dangerous,evil,vile, venomous cretin and must be removed, the blacks can call themselves, every thing but late for lunch, and quite frankly I don’t give a damn, but what I do care is that this 50%wh/tr 45% A..rab and 5% black, is INTENTIONALLY ruining and destroying this country, as it is. it will take at least 2 decades to undo the damage this cretin has managed to do WITHOUT CONGRESS……..simply amazing…….. this thing makes hitler, on his worst day, look like a nun.

      • Karolyn

        Norm – What I see is that Chris calls ‘em as he sees ‘em and brings a particularly interesting black perspective to this forum.Racist? Possibly. There certainly are different classes of black people just as there are different classes of white people and we view people and make our judgments in accordance with our experience – what we know.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THANK YOU, “Karolyn.”

        FOR YEARS, Justice Clarence Thomas WAS THE ONLY NEGRO “REPUBLICAN” WHO HAD NATIONAL EXPOSURE. NEGROES CONSIDERED HIM “Uncle Tom” BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LIKE HIS Equal Employment Opportunity Commission RECORD.

        I ALSO THINK CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS ALSO DO NOT UNDERSTAND NEGRO REPUBLICANS.

        I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE – I AM ATHEIST. I AM ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT “PRO-LIFE.” I SUPPORT THE TRADITIONAL FAMILY. BECAUSE I AM NOT OBSESSED WITH THE “ALMIGHTY” DOLLAR, I AM NOT GOING TO LET SOME DEMOCRAT TELL ME I AM “DOWN-AND-OUT” JUST BECAUSE I AM A “darkie.” I VOTED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 1992. I THOUGHT Vice-President George Herbert Walker Bush WAS EXCITING. MY LIFE IS GREAT – I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS. AS A FORTY-FIVE-YEAR OLD, I HAVE EVERYTHING I WANT. I AM A SIMPLE MAN WITH SIMPLE NEEDS.

    • speak truth

      Negros! Racist much. NO business in this country did it by themselves. The employees they hired were educated in our PUBLIC school, the materials to build your business traveled on roads and bridges paid for by ALL american taxpayers. The real workers in this country are the middle class who built this country into what it is today. Mutt and this rag continuing to push their lies and deceit, and take out of context what the president SAID, proves you have no chance of winnin with Mutt Robme. Look at his first trip overseas. Such a tin ear, trashing England our biggest ally just turned off the entire English population.. Keep it up Mutt, cant wait to see what you do in Israel.

      • Bev

        Are for Obama? Mutt as you call him is at least an American. He may not be your first choice and I understand that completely. He wasn’t my first choice either. But if you go and vote for some third party (i.e. Ron Paul) you are casting a vote for Obama. Politics sometimes means you need to compromise to get the job done.

      • Derek Schneider

        The English population has nothing to do with our elected president in first place (re: See AMERICAN REVOLUTION).
        England doesn’t have much choice BUT to be our ally…and will remain so.
        I cannot imagine that Romney could do anything to further tarnish our relationship with Israel after the damage Obama has already done.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        speak truth, do you really speak truth? You call a black man a racist for referring to himself as a negro?!? Where is the truth in that?!? Everytime you check a box labeled “Caucasian” are you being a racist? What complete and utter nonsense! As far as your agreeing with obummer about the idea that nobody built their own business, again you are full of it. When a person builds a business they pay to have sewers, water lines, electricity etc… run to their building. The government doesn’t pay for that. They risk their own money, not the governments. They work long hours for no pay (initially). Does the government o that? They employ people which benefits all of us. They pay taxes. The government does nothing to make things easier or them, in fact it puts many obstacles in their way. Yes, the government “educated” their workers, just as they educate everyone whether they work or not! obummer is a communist and you had better wake up before its too late!!!

      • Gordon

        Bev people don’t grasp the fact that idealism is what elected Bill Clinton. The alternate candidates split the vote and the other guy won. All this tea party, Ron Paul, etc idealism is great, but it will get Obama re-elected. Argue race, argue religion, argue it all. Obama will add liberal judges to the Supreme Court which will destroy the Constitution USA long term. The tip of the iceberg. Solar flares might kill electronics, earthquakes might split the country or CA fall into the ocean, icebergs might melt, we might become a desert, asteroids might hit, nuclear war might happen, or even Jesus might come back….. MIGHT…… but one thing for sure WILL happen…… gihad in the USA, just like it happened in Europe. The takeover IS coming, period. Today Hillary is voting to give the UN your 2nd Amendment rights. Think about that one. The UN controlling and confiscating all our guns.

      • Mike in MI

        AH-H-H-h-hhh HUUM speak truth, (you need a new handle, bub) -
        Got a question for you if you and the proxydent are so sure government is the economic equal of every problem:
        If government is the reason for the success and continuity of every successful business why is it that all the successful, prosperous businesses in my area here in Michigan, or at least once were so, aren’t still in operation so successfully and prosperously? In fact, WHY AREN’T THEY STILL “OPEN”? Why didn’t government just make them stay open since obviously that’s where all the JOBS WENT. And Obump’n'gums’ter says he wants people to have jobs – and he seems to see it as his special calling and ability to provide those jobs. The once good business closed and the jobs went away and Obama let it happen. Why’d obama do that? Not just once but time after time after time…all over the country.
        On any level you’d have to say he’s a cruel liar to take those good jobs, those livelihoods, those homes, those meals from kids mouths, those medical procedures from suffering people who needed them – AND HIS TAX RETURN AND ALL THE SENATE DEMS RETURNS SAY THEY HAVE $$MILLIONS A-P-I-E-C-E.
        fool…raca

      • Butch

        speak “truth”??? More like muttering stupidity. The Fraud-in-Chief was just being coinsistent in trying to denigrate the individual and build up government and his socialist collectivist thinking. Its amazing stupid idiots like you STILL support the biggest spending president ever, all while he hasn’t fulfilled a SINGLE campaign promise, he cooks the books when it comes to the TRUE unemployment numbers(they’re closer to 25%. 8%, what a joke!), he is STILL in Afghanistan and even committed 12 MORE YEARS to them without asking a single American if we even WANT to be there. Theres plenty of pictures of him smoking his @$$ with marijuana but hes arresting dtate legalizd marijuana growers???? He is a monster who is sworn to destroy America and POS like YOU are guilty of aiding and abetting him. This nation desperately needs a bloody revolution.

    • Bev

      No one knows what the hell you are talking about. Obama is running around screaming that his words were taken “out of context”. But if you look at them in context they are even worse. The roads, the power lines, the school buildings, all of the infrastructure were built by business that hoped to profit from their effort. Govt produces not one thing. All govt does is take money from one group of people and give it to another. Obama acts like govt is the end all to end all. I happen to disagree with him. We’ve got so many people on welfare that we cannot afford a space program. We’ve got to take back our country and the first thing we need to do is to vote out those who believe in more govt. Oh and CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON TYPING IN ALL CAPS INDICATES SCREAMING ON THE INTERNET!!!

      • Gary Yagley

        BEV, a light in the darkness you are. It worries me for the future of our great land, that we have so many narrow minded, under-educated folks that will actually vote.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Look in the mirror, Gary!!!

      • Winddrinker

        What is really frightening…talk to the college students! They have about an eighth grade education, if that much. These universities are churning out little marxists, no-nothings that have no idea what is going on in this country. These are not medicaid idiots, you would think they might have picked up the skill to balance their checkbooks, or recognize the name of the Vice President…they don’t know either. They haven’t a clue about what caused the Holycaust or what the word “Gestapo” means. But, they can tell you all about how bad their country is and how everybody is “entitled” to have “everything!”

    • Winddrinker

      Why would someone that doesn’t believe in GOD and is not a Christian, make a statment for the reason you describe. He wasn’t inferring that it was “GOD’s help” that successful business owners got, when he said “you didn’t build that.”

      We all know what obumscum said, it can’t be be explained away, in a religious context.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I think he was imagining obummer being raised as a negro rather than a communist!

      • Gordon

        You NEED to see the Rev. Jeremia Wright interview that was passed to Hannity. Wright says that Obama IS a muslim, and was using his church as a political base, not a spritual base, and that Obama tried to pay him off to shut up and then threatened him. Obama is a muslim through and through. There’s plenty of videos out there especially the composite of Obama telling that he IS a muslim and will support and defend the muslim religion 100%. Obama himself stated that there are 70,000 radical muslim extremists IN the USA.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        I BELIEVE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY, Barack Hussein FOUND A WAY TO IDENTIFY WITH HIS NEGRO HERITAGE. AFTER ALL, THE KENYAN DID MARRY A NEGRO FEMALE. IN OUR CONTEMPORARY AGE OF NEGRO FEMALES DATING CAUCASIAN MALES, IF A NEGRO FEMALE DECIDES TO “STICK WITH” A NEGRO MALE, THAT NEGRO MALE MUST HAVE SOME “Afrocentric” QUALITIES.

        THIS “Afrocentric” QUALITY IN THE BIRACIAL PRESIDENT – NO MATTER HOW MINUTE – IS A REASON WHY “help from the Lord” WAS STRONGLY IMPLIED IN REFERENCE TO HIS VIEWS ON HOW PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN SUCCESS.

      • Americanita

        Whyare you all talking about religious differences and about Black or white or any culture! We are Amercans and the whole point of this article and debate is that Obama is not respecting the basic right of every American to choose the freedom of building your own business however you have the talent. Yes, everyone has need of help in developing talent however it is the individual who has to persevere to construct his own path and build his dreams. Enough of picking on Obama or Romney for a black white Mormon or Muslim issue. Pick the one who will continue to challenge our youth and our young at heart and brave in spirit to stand up for the Rights given by the Consturution of the United States of America.

    • http://www.facebook.com/katharine.kimball Katharine Kimball

      BTW Christopher, the “Kenyan” as you refer to him was raised by his white mother and his white grandparents.

      • Winddrinker

        Katharine, we don’t know the pedigree of obumscum. We have been told nothing but lies, why would anyone believe what we have been told about who the parents may or may not be…

        He looks arab to me.

      • Gordon

        and they were muslims/ communists and a communist Ayres paid for his education. Facts not conjecture, not email trash. look em up. Obama was chosen decades ago to be groomed as the first black and muslim president.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Winddrinker,”

        THERE IS ANOTHER THREAD ON THIS SITE WHICH DISCUSSES Barack Hussein (AS A CHILD) EATING DOG MEAT, SNAKE MEAT AND GRASSHOPPER WHILE IN INDONESIA.

        I BELIEVE HIS ISLAMIC INFLUENCES THROUGHOUT HIS LIFE HAS HAD SOME TYPE OF IMPACT ON HIS STATUS AS PART-NEGRO/PART-CAUCASIAN. THROUGHOUT HIS ADMINISTRATION, HE HAS IGNORED THE NEGRO COMMUNITY. HE HAS DONE THINGS WHICH ARE EMBARASSMENTS TO THE NEGRO COMMUNITY – LIKE, SUPPORTING “gay” MARRIAGE AND KILLING A “COLORED” MALE WHO COMMITTED AN ALLEGED CRIME [Osama bin Laden].

        ON THE OTHER HAND, BY BEING OBSESSED WITH WAR AND TERRORISM, HE KEEPS CAUCASIANS HAPPY BY APPEARING TO BE STRONG ON NATIONAL DEFENSE. Obamacare WILL BE OF GREAT BENEFIT TO CAUCASIAN DOCTORS AND CAUCASIAN-INSURANCE COMPANIES; YET, Obamacare WILL BE A DISASTER FOR NEGROES.

      • Samdromeda

        Verifiably True to those who are not three sheets in the wind.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        YES – Barack Hussein WAS RAISED BY CAUCASIANS. BUT, EVERY TIME HE WALKS OUT OF HIS FRONT DOOR, HE WILL BE JUDGED AS A “black” MAN.

        “Nancy in Nebraska,” THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT POINT FOR CAUCASIANS TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE CAUCASIANS ARE NOT FOLLOWED BY STORE CLERKS IN MALLS AND RECEIVE THE “eagle-eye treatment” BY ARMED SECURITY IN BANK LOBBIES. NEGRO MALES ARE A-L-W-A-Y-S CRIMINAL SUSPECTS.

        MOREOVER, THE KENYAN’S REFERENCE TO THE “Lord’s” HELP ALSO “RINGS TRUE” IN THIS REGARD. A COMMON PRACTICE IN NEGRO MISSIONARY-BAPTIST CHURCHES IS THE PREACHER ALLOWING INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE CONGREGATION TO STAND UP AND GIVE A “testimony.”

        A COMMON “testimony” GOES LIKE THIS – “Oh thank you, Lord! Y’all, I’m happy today. They came last Monday and turned my lights off. My lil’ children couldn’t eat hot food because we got an electric stove. But the Lord picked me up and I was able to get a lil’ day-work. I went Friday and got my lights turned back on! Thank you, Jesus!” [THE PERSON GIVING THIS "testimony" IS CRYING AND THE CONGREGATION ROARS WITH, A-mens]. THIS TYPE OF “testimony” IS GIVEN AT LEAST TWICE MONTHLY AT VARIOUS NEGRO CHURCHES IN RURAL-NORTHERN MISSISSIPPI.

        SO, CAUCASIANS, WHEN I SAY THE KENYAN REFERRED TO BUSINESS OWNERS RECEIVING HELP FROM THE “Lord,” ANY NEGRO WOULD SAY THAT SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS OWNER HAD AN “ANSWERED testimony.”

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Christopher, it’s interesting to hear how black people were raised differently. I appreciate your sharing these things with us. But I disagree with you on this. obummer was raised primarily by white people. He was influenced for a time by his Indonesian step father but I think that the major influences in his life were white people. And I do believe that he meant exactly what he said. He was raised by communists and admits that Frank Marshall Davis was a big influence in his life. Davis was a known communist at that time. Throughout his education he was influenced by many more communists. I believe that his words speak to his belief that everything should be owned by the people (or the government). I believe that if he remains in office he will continue to nationalize more companies as he did with GM. Everything he speaks and does are the very same things that other communist dictators said and did before they took over. I think that he is a very dangerous man. I like so many others, wanted a black man as president. My grandson and future grandchildren is/will be part black. I want them to have someone to look up to. I want the world and this country to have moved beyond the racism of the past. But this is not the man for the job. In spite of wishing and hoping I knew that he was not the right man. I could never have voted for him. When he ran for election, there were just slight clues to his communist ways and after he was elected we have seen more and more. I think he’s a communist. I think he hates our country. And I think he’s very dangerous! I will even go as far as saying that I think he is evil!!!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        I CALL THE BIRACIAL PRESIDENT “KENYAN” BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN KENYA – NOT, HAWAII. I KNOW ABOUT HIS CHILDHOOD. BUT, A DARK-SKINNED NEGRO FROM KENYA (OR, SOME FOREIGN LAND) IS HIS FATHER.

        AT THIS POINT, THE KENYAN HAS DESTROYED ALL CREDIBILITY IN REFERENCE TO HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I WILL NEVER BELIEVE HE WAS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

      • Ron r

        There is truth to the notion that if the president had the last name of Wilson, Washington, or Smith he would be at least is an American to most of you. Regardless of if his mother had married a dam leper as long as he was white or black (of slave descent). The fact that this BLACK MAN has no SLAVE BLOOD in his veins is a problem for all birthers. (Reich wingers) (BTW I was a solider in the U.S. infantry and ate dog meat while stationed in the ROK)
        Mr. Horton is a Reich wing idiot who uses the word Negro as a negative because he is too much a coward to use the shorter version. Horton and people like him( Chip Wood and Bob) help me understand why some animals eat their young.

        PS. Because Islam out dates Christianity, was/is the original religion, and life began in Africa, there was good reason why the people were Muslim you idiot Reich wing racist coward. It did not take them long to embrace your style of Christianity in order to survive. It’s a shame your style or Christianity murdered the Native American and still has such a hold on some (as well as blacks) that they are willing to wait for their pie in the sky while you enjoy yours living a worthless life. BTW do idiots like you ever think that real black conservative read this page????

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Ron r,”

        SINCE Black History IS NOT MY “THING,” I AM NOT GOING TO PROVIDE DATES. TRIBAL AFRICANS WERE MEMBERS OF VARIOUS PAGAN SECTS. SOMETIME DURING TURKISH EXPANSION IN THE MEDITERREAN REGION AND NORTHERN AFRICA, NEGROES IN SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA OBTAINED ACCESS TO ISLAMIC TEACHINGS. BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES IS PRIMARILY, A CHRISTIAN NATION, CAUCASIANS ONLY WANT TO FOCUS ON SLAVES BORN IN AMERICA. NEGROES -LIKE, Kunta Kinte – WHO WERE CAPTURED AND BROUGHT TO AMERICA AS SLAVES ARE IGNORED BECAUSE THEIR STATUS AS NON-CHRISTIAN IS CONSIDERED ANTI-AMERICAN.

      • Ron r

        Nancy, if you belioeve C. Horton is black you are as ignorent as he is racist, or most likely both.

    • Ron r

      I am a so-called negro and have have no ideal what your racist a@@ is talking about. It amazes me how some idiot like you will get on a page like this and write things you would never say face to face to even a black child. It is even more amazing that there are still people like you Chip Wood, and Bob that would take a comment out of contex and stake the entire election on the lie when Mitt Romney is self exploding as we speak. Yes Christopher A Horton you are a coward and a dam idiot , and youbare the very reason that I am pro choice. I see no need for a parent to bring a child like you into the world if they do not want too.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Wow, Ron! Christopher is a negro so I guess your racist rant doesn’t count for much! Just because he isn’t a hate filled liberal doesn’t mean he’s not entitled to his own opinion! As far a I can see, YOU’RE the racist!!!

      • eddie47d

        There is not much difference between a hate filled Liberal and a hate filled Conservative. First of all you must recognize that fact.

      • Ron r

        Mr. Horton or Uncle Ruckus , you have no sense of history , just as you have no sense of dignity. Go lay down and try to get a life other than reich wing history . You could not teach a dead man history and your logic puts Hitler to shame.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Ron r,”

        SIR, SINCE YOU INDICATED YOU ARE “black,” I WILL NOT OPPOSE YOU ON A CAUCASIAN SITE. “Ron r,” I UNDERSTAND YOU CONSIDER ME TO BE AN EMBARASSMENT; I RESPECT THAT. I CHOSE A PATH WHICH IS RIGHT FOR ME.

      • cawmun cents

        …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
        un(expletive deletd)ing believable.
        You MUST be a product of modern educational standards.
        God……help us all.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • Ron r

        Ron r,”

        SIR, SINCE YOU INDICATED YOU ARE “black,” I WILL NOT OPPOSE YOU ON A CAUCASIAN SITE. “Ron r,” I UNDERSTAND YOU CONSIDER ME TO BE AN EMBARASSMENT; I RESPECT THAT. I CHOSE A PATH WHICH IS RIGHT FOR ME.

        C. Horton and Crew, The only right path for you would be to jump from a low building into a deep well. I should not waste my time responding to the crap you and other racist post. It is obvious the authors who publish articles on this site want the type of reaction you and other Reich wingers (cloaked in conservatism) provide. The reality is that your type (racist idiots) is but a very small part of American society. Your numbers are even smaller when you factor in how many of you idiots are birthers. You are ,well you know what you are.

        BTW, I did not know this was considered a caucasian site , does that mean it is only for caucasians?? You are no embarassment to me, I do not know you but I do know you are not who you claim you are. You have given yourself away more than a few times.Keep practicing you may get at least the negro part down.

      • Samdromeda

        Ask any Italian and they will tell you that there is no Mafia. If the person says that there is a Mafia then they are not Italian. Ask any Black American Nationalist if there are Negros in this country and they will say there are no Negros in this country. If the individual says that there are Negros in this nation then they are not part of The Black American Nation. It is a true test of nationality. All others are a group unto themselves for individual convenience.

    • Debra

      That was a
      mindbendingly stupid comment. First, the President, in context, was saying that we all built the infrastructure that business use and most businesses are started with borrowed money that came from somebody else. Thus when he made that statement, he was speaking the truth since he was talking about the infrastructure not the business. Oh and just so you know, African-Americans know who to blame for their lack of upward mobility and it isn’t God. It’s the policies of the Republican party. However I do believe that if they ever are able to move ahead it should be God they thank since the Republican party hasn’t felt the need to help anyone but themselves in more than forty years.

      • Gea

        Both Obama and his wife were the beneficiaries of the affirmative action, and had profited nicely from their jobs before they managed to get into the White house. A Democratic VP candidate, Geraldine Ferraro, was correct then she stated that Barak Hussein would never had won if it were not for the color of his skin and white guilt about things long time ago.

        Why blame anybody for dysfunctional ghetto communities, created by people on the dole and children born out of Wedlock (75% if black babies and 45% of white babies) and then living on the dole. In 1965, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote a book that predicted the failures of the US communities, and going toward a dysfunctional welfare state, rather then self-sufficiency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_for_National_Action He was accused to be a racist by the politically correct morons who feel guilty about their ancestors slave holders.

        People should stop blaming others for their own failures and even if there is somebody to blame, it is better to spend one’s energy on improving their situation rather then brooding about injustices of the past. Why should a person work when she can produce babies and loaf around on the dole at the backs of US taxpayers?

        IF you mind your own business and stop blaming “other” for your own problems, you will be able to solve them faster than if you keep blaming somebody else. When you point your finger on somebody, there are four fingers pointing back at YOU!

      • Alexandra

        GEA:

        Good stuff, but the finger pointing, it’s three not four. :)

      • Ron r

        Dear Nacy and Eddie, I stand by what I say and if Horton is black then I have been living a lie for the past 59 years. And yes I hate idiots and reich wing idiots just as much as they hate the president.

      • Mike in MI

        Ron r -
        Your diatribes are indicative of 59 years of wasted time spent being mad because some shrewd huckster(s) convinced you that you should follow him/them. They convinced you that you had a legitimate beef of some sort, no chance to make anything of yourself because of some imagined shortcoming or trait that you can not change and YOU “proved” they were right by conforming to their expectations.
        There are too many people (not just Negro or mulatto) who refused to let their skin hold them down or back who have made tremendous advancements – both for themselves and our culture – and been handsomely rewarded. They just refused to let stupid people hold them down or push them down. AND, they changed whatever in themselves they could identify that was like those other stupid people and chucked it.
        It’s always a good time to change for the better.
        Beliefs more than anything else have kept the masses and nations of Muslim people in squalor, penury and servitude.

    • Alexandra

      Christopher Allen Horton please kill yourself. You are a vile individual and a perfect example of what people without Christ turn into. Angry hatemongers. Negroes? Really? WhoTF still uses that word? Are you 85 years old? Please keep using it anyway, it immediately identifies you as a total retard.
      HAVE A BLESSED DAY.

      • JeffH

        Alexandra says “Christopher Allen Horton please kill yourself.”

        Alexandra is a hatefull, souless, ignorant hypocrit. Bet you worship Lucifer.

      • Karolyn

        Alexandra – Try not to take yourself so seriously. It makes life so much easier when you live and let live. Would it not be a boring world if we all spoke and thought the same?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Alexandra, YOU are evil and despicable! Lack of political correctness is not just cause for dying!!! You need to take a good look at yourself!!! If a black man is not permitted to call himself and others of the same race a negro, then something is terribly wrong in this country! This political correctness is causing people to HATE to the degree that they wish each other DEAD?!? YOU NEED HELP!!! I hope you get it!!!

      • Winddrinker

        Alexandra you are racists to the point of being vile and hateful.

        What is wrong with the word Negro? It is a legitimate word that is in the dictionary. If these people are not “negros” what are they?

        That is like saying you can’t call Whites “Caucasians” or orientals “Asians.” What is wrong with you, anyway..

      • Mike in MI

        Alexandra –
        “Give and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together and running over, shall men give into your bosom. for with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.” Luke 6:38
        If I were you I’d be asking God and Mr. Horton to please forgive you. I’d be quick, before this harvest starts coming in.

      • macgyver1948

        This is for Alexandra…… Your words “You are a vile individual and a perfect example of what people without Christ turn into”.

        WOW. So, as per “your words” all people who do not accept Christ are vile? No religious bigotry in your words at all, huh. As far as I see in your bible Jesus was always Jewish his entire life so what does that make him and others of his religion. Or Buddhists, or Hindus or any other people of God?

        Lady, you do not have to accept Jesus to be of God and to have morals and ethics. Some religions strictly forbid the belief in entities such as Jesus. Jesus’ religion still does and always will. Maybe you should learn how to structure you words better or is it how you believe that caused you to be so generally insulting? Just asking.

        By the way, nice language for a Christian – “WhoTF“. :-) .

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        OF COURSE, I DO NOT KNOW “Alexandra’s” RACE. SHE HAS A RIGHT TO HER VALUES.

        THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE LIFE, I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH OTHER NEGROES WHO CONSIDER ME TO BE A RACIAL EMBARASSMENT. BECAUSE OF THIS, I WAS FORCED – AS A CHILD – TO FORM FRIENDSHIPS WITH CAUCASIANS. NEGROES CALLED ME HORRIBLE NAMES IN SCHOOL. WHEN I ENROLLED AT, Arkansas State University, AT THE AGE OF SIXTEEN, I WAS ABLE TO LEAVE OTHER NEGROES’ HATRED OF ME IN THE PAST.

      • Samdromeda

        It is apparent that in this forum the use of a term that was deemed a term of objectification “Negro” has indeed injected a mindset similar to the mindset of the propaganda ministers of Hitler. The result was the desensitization of a nation to the humanity of a people. This process enabled a genocide to be executed with speed and efficiency. As a result empathy and mercy vacated the character of a nation.It seems that intellectually the war continues and the process of objectification continues worldwide. It seems that there is a hidden force that has put mankind at one another’s throats with extreme prejudice. This puts our nation in peril by the implementation of oppression which
        has never enabled any dominant society to stand for long and often leads to national punishment by forces far stronger than we are. Oppression is an offense that is punishable by God Himself. It breeds chaos and fosters conflict. It does not engender peace and cooperation.

      • Ron r

        Mike in MI., your response is typical of an angry white man who blames minorities for everything that has gone wrong in his unfulfilled life. One who believes blacks are the cause of all the ills of today’s society. That Abraham Lincoln shot John Wilkes Booth or that somehow even though whites out number blacks in this great nation there are still more blacks on food stamps than whites. Or that white youths are not having babies out of wed lock, and those would be fathers would not pay support because some black fathers are not. You do not agree with me so you generalize with your opinion of me as just another angry black savage who for 59 years have been waiting to stick it to the man. How very Russ Limbaugh of you.
        People like you, Russ, Horton and the likes have nothing else in life to do but take politics to the extreme. You sit at your computer and use this site to blame the ills of the world on people who have no control over them. Anyone who tries to reason with you or disagrees with you is either a commie or a black person who has been on welfare all their lives and is hooked on entitlements. What a small, small world you live in. What a small, small, mind you and others like you have. You look at anything that has to do with minorities and find a reason to explain it as dependence. They have no opinion because all they want is a hand out. How shallow is that sir???

      • Mike in MI

        Well, why should it not appear the same as the persecution under Hitler and Himmler? The same Devil that caused it then has not changed his cue cards or teleprompter screens in the least little whit except for race and place. He just moved his base of operations from Deutchland Uber Alles to Amerika Unner Obump’n'gums’ter
        By the way, I don’t think any, maybe I should say “many”, of the folks here “hate” Obama. Too many of them are too wise for that. Hatred is all emotions, knee-jerk trained responses, thoughtless hormone surges and evil spirit driven anger.
        To despise something or someone indicates the despised person has said or done something about which the wiser person has spent time considering in some depth or recognizes things about the first which are utterly repugnant which are rightly to be “despised”.

      • Mike in MI

        Ron r –
        I agree, Ron, that’s pretty shallow.
        I think that if that is all you can put on me then I’ll just wash my hands good, before I eat next time (as I normally would) and everything will be fine. That can’t rectify your plight.

    • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

      Here is the Russian Fable on the subject:

      Rooster met up with an Ass.

      “Hello there, Ass!” Rooster greeted Ass.

      “Hello,” the Ass replied rather stiffly. “I am happy to see you. But I must ask you, however, NOT TO CALL ME Ass from now on.”

      “Why?” asked the Rooster, PUZZLED AND CONFUSED. “HAVE YOU STOPPED BEING ONE?”

      “Well, IN A CERTAIN SENSE, yes,” said an Ass. “You see, the word ‘ASS’ is a SYMBOL OF STUPIDITY, so I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SCIENTIFIC NAME.”

      “A scientific name? What name?” Rooster wondered.

      “Class Mammalia, Order Perissodactyla, Family Equidae, Species Equus asinus,” the Ass announced proudly.

      “It sounds very important,” Rooster replied. “But I want to let you know that my opinion of you not changed.”

      The DEMONcrats wrap themselves in concerned, compassionate, caring, generous good-doer robes.

      But under robe they are crooked liars; corrupt, immoral and shameless hypocrite, based and dishonorable self-serving DEMONS.

      • Mike in MI

        Dear Alondra – Couldn’t have said it better myself…wish I had first.
        I’ve been thinking and have finally come to a conclusion about something.
        There is honor, even among thieves.
        But, a liberal will accept no boundaries on the depths of degradation and deviant detestableness to which they will not stoop if they can get another entitlement or government bone.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Mike, I glad you liked. When I read it, I laughed and decided to translate, because it so well described the hypocrisy of the Democrats’ Ass/Donkey.
        Best wishes

    • pweiters9

      7/28/12, Chris, this POS, BO, should save face & resign now.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Alondra,”

      HOMOSEXUALITY IS A BIO-SEXUAL ORIENTATION.

      I WILL KEEP THIS “CLEAN.” AN ADULT-FEMALE NUDE ["LIVE"] HAS NO ABILITY – WHATSOEVER – TO SEXUALLY AROUSE A HOMOSEXUAL BOY AT THE ONSET OF PUBERTY. IF EVERY FEMALE IN THE WORLD WAS NUDE 24/7/365, THERE WOULD STILL BE NO EFFECT ON HOMOSEXUAL BOYS, NOR, HOMOSEXUAL MEN.

      THEREFORE, HOMOSEXUALITY IS BIO-GENETIC BECAUSE THERE IS NO BIO-PSYCHOLOGICAL “TRIGGER” IN REFERENCE TO THE OPPOSITE GENDER.

      • Samdromeda

        The power to arouse is not in the eyes. Nudity is not a real test. Arousal is based on relationship and the power to arouse is established in a tactile mutual relationship. This is how men are flipped in prison. Heterosexual gynecologists are not aroused by
        naked females and neither are male plastic surgeons. Yet, they are aroused by their mates. It is engendered in the mutuality of possession and commitment. If the dog salivates it is hungry. To not salivate does not mean that it does not enjoy eating food. It is simply not hungry.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Samdromeda,”

        OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THE FACTUAL ACCOUNTS OF DOCTORS WHO HAVE RAPED AND SEXUALLY HARASSED FEMALE PATIENTS IN THEIR OFFICES.

        I DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS ON SEXUAL AROUSAL.

      • Samdromeda

        In context, criminal behavior has nothing to do with arousal in the professional sense. You are entering the realm of sexual addiction and rape which is an act of violence. It is the thrill that engenders the act. It comes as a result of the violation of professional ethics and a person giving themselves permission to exercise their criminal mind and/or give themselves over to the suggestion and thereby will themselves into action.. The thought of conquest engenders the arousal in the mind of the predator. Normal ethical Gynecologists are not aroused by their patients and consider the thought to be repugnant.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “pj Connolly,”

      GO ONLINE AND Google MY NAME [CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON] WITH THE KEYWORDS, “FreshXpress” – A NEGRO SITE. READ MY COMMENTS, THEN TELL ME, DO YOU THINK A CAUCASIAN MALE COULD HAVE MADE THOSE COMMENTS? OR, YOU CAN Google MY REVIEW OF Don Lemon’s “Transparent” AT Amazon.com.

      PEOPLE I AM NEGRO.

    • Shawn

      what a stupid comment

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        WHY, “Shawn?”

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