You’ve been in denial ever since your first shouting post here, NC.
Have you read this book yet?
http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf
Of course you haven’t. It’s much to scary to read anything that might upset your little partisan applecart, isn’t it?

DaveH,
I’m in full agreement with you. As to how nc can come up with his hodge-podge of statements, as Flasho usually does too, is both stressing as well as at times down right funny. I seriously doubt that he will read the book you’ve referenced to him. Good book – read it myself. Do any of them truly concern themselves with something that will counter their thought patterns? Nope! When you have no principles, what more can you expect? I’ve been quietly sitting on the perimeter watching and reading the past few weeks. Again, their thought patterns will never change.

Most of the Presidents since Teddy Roosevelt have been taking us to the same place — the cleaners. When will you Liberal followers get it through your heads that it’s them (whether Democrat or Republican) against us?

There is something getting lost in all this discussion. While it is true the infrastructure built by the government has helped business and individuals by making transportation easier those individuals who started and built the companies would have been successful anyway without the roads being built by the government. They might not have become the mega companies we see today but they would be successful. Something else to remember, the roads and railroads would have been built by private enterprise as it became economicaly feasable to do so (demand for the service). And yes I know there was government help building some of the railroads but even then their expansion beyond the minimal core system the government helped with was done by them not by the government.

Hey Norm. you don’t have to worry about anyone reducing the population etc in Agenda 21 etc..God’s got alllllll that figured out and HE will reduce the worlds population by 1/3 rd. It will be by war and famine etc So, don’t worry about the U.N. they will be BURNED and destroyed too! read Revelation in the KJV Bible!! That will bring you up to speed, and oh by the way, read Daniel as well!!

Man you are really off the deep end.

Rasta if he is off the deep end he is looking down at you cause you are even further off the deep end.

Bob, I remember a couple of years ago when “only a few saw the light” that there was a space craft behind a comet that was coming to take them away to glory. They found them ALL in their beds dead with new tenny pumps on! Maybe that only a few has seen the light you see indicates just how dim your light is!

NC,
Aren’t rich people in the minority? Aren’t inventors of new products in the minority? Aren’t Honors Graduates in the minority?
Obviously, NC, you are in the majority, and you wear it proudly.

Everything we’re seeing is not a chicken little situation. It’s all about numbers and the fact that we’ve hit the wall when it comes to borrowing. We are tens of trillions of dollars in debt, maybe even hundreds of trillions, because we are not being told the truth about how much debt we’re really in. Anyone who believes this can go on and on, is not a student of history. Instead, like NC, they are the walking dead. Individuals who are dead, but refuse to admit it. In NC’s case, brain dead. This economy, and I laughingly call it that, is on life support. It’s like the doctor telling a family member that the patient is on the respirator, on the most powerful antibiotics, getting tube and IV feedings, has a rectal tube and a flat EEG, but everything’s going to be OK. Forget that the corps is rotting in the bed and smells badly, because of the rotting flesh. Like that patient, this economy is not going to get up and move on. It’s going to die, if it isn’t already dead. NC, like the rest of this nation, is in denial. Why? Because admitting the truth is too horrible. It’s easier to pretend that this is just another blip in the economy. People are telling themselves it’s a blip, because the numbers are so high for our national debt, that they cannot be comprehended by the average person. Who can comprehend hundreds of trillions of dollars? This isn’t like “Y2K, which was (expletive deleted) designed to scare corporations into buying IT services and people into updating or buying new computers, this is the end of the line, financially, for Americans, and possibly, the world. Pretending it’s not happening is not going to make it go away. When NC is starving on the street, he/she will come to understand the gravity of our situation. However, by that time, it will be too late.

Joe, I’m white but I am also aware that it mostly whites that owned the slaves in this country, exploited the Asians in the west and midwest and the immigrants in the sweat shops of our eastern cities. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
You are just the person I need to answer some questions about the future of America>
1. The exact date that Obama will call off the November 2012 elections based on the “Conspiracy of 1913″(?)
2. The exact date that he will become a dictator based on the construction of the FEMA camps?
3. The exact number of political prisoners in those FEMA camps as of the last day of June
I don’t need any further information about the second coming! I just saw a Christian Right wingnut uptown with a sign saying it would be the second week in September.
The only thing exploiting your caucasian body is your paranoid mind!

In the beginning there was the house of Juda and the house of David. The house of Juda were the Jews and the house of David were the Whites, that now inhabit the UK, England and the U.S.

NC: There’s one thing that black “activist” really hate to talk about, which is the fact that slaves were not being chased around Africa and rounded up by white men. No, instead, the Dutch and English parked their slave ships in the harbors, while black men went out and rounded up other black men and women. The fact is that black on black slavery was and continues to be a fact in Africa. It had been going on for thousands of years, before the white man figured out “Hey, these Africans live and survive in a hot climate. We can use them for slaves, instead of Native Americans, who aren’t working out so well.” So, the slavery of black men, by white men, all began with black men, who, by the way, made allot of money selling their black brothers to whitey. It’s a fact that, out of 20,000,000 blacks brought to the New World, only 5,000,000 were brought to the USA. The rest were purchased by Spanish and Hispanics, as slaves throughout the islands and Central and South America. Another fact is that slavery was slowly dying, as a practice, in America, before the “Civil War.” There was no reason for the Civil War, or for the North to rail against the Southern states, because of slavery. Everyone knew that is was going to go and, in truth, had it been done, peacefully, it would have had a much better outcome for blacks, as there would have been a rational transition from being slaves, to being citizens. All the Civil War did was dump people, unpreparred, out into the cold. And, who is responsible for the Civil War? Harriet Beecher Stowe, a stupid liberal who had never gone south of the Mason Dixon line. Uncle Tom’s Cabin was the sparkplug for the Civil War. This single stupid liberal woman caused the deaths of nearly a million Americans. This is what happens when liberals get involved in anything. In a misguided attempt to do something good, she caused chaos, destruction, death and misery. No, brother, you get no argument from me, a guy of mixed race. Facts are facts. However, America, through entitlement and affirmative action, has allowed bad behavior to go on. The truth of the matter is that only a small number of white in the south ever owned slaves. For the average working white in the south, slavery was a horrible thing. Why? No jobs. Why pay a white man when you can just give a black man food and rags on his back and a piss poor roof over his head? No, 99.999999999% of white Americans have no ancestors who’ve owned slaves. In fact, most came over to America, after the Civil War, and the majority of those in the beginning of the 20th Century. So, why the expected guilt? Well, because you have power brokers who want to destroy this nation and white guilt is just another part of their plan. As well, black “leaders” promote hate of whites and blaming of whites for all the ills of Afro-Americans. These people actually are doing a grave dis-service to black Americans, stealing from them and using their own people for personal gain. In other words, these black leaders are getting rich by promoting hate and distrust of white Americans. They don’t really give a crap about Afro-Americans. All they really care about is increasing personal wealth and power. If their fellow Afro-Americans pay the price, “who cares. I got mine.” Gee, this sounds kind of like the black men in Africa who rounded up their fellow blacks and sold them to the English and the Dutch, as slaves. Hmm!

Get the message? It’s not about who one is, or what their background is, it’s, instead, what’s really happening, that counts. Here’s another little thought for your tiny brain, which is that the UN wanted all white people out of Africa. Get the white devil out of Africa, and that’s what happened. Whites are no longer in conrol. So, what’s happening in Africa, now? Absolute chaos. Anyone who thinks Africa is better off, today, than it was under white rule, needs to have their heads examined. More hunger, more disease, more war, more killing, more maiming, more misery.

In answer to your statement about whitey killing the Chinese here, in America, I can only point to the “Great Wall” in China, where hundreds of thousand of bodies of dead Chinese fill those walls to this very day. Yes, bad things have happened in the USA’s history to minorities, but, with the exception of Native Americans, it’s created an environment where the average person can reach out and go as high as they wish, regardless of their birth status. That’s why, in spite of all our problems, people kill themselves trying to get here. You moron. It’s liberal idiots like you that are killing this nation. You morons are killing the golden goose for the average guy, regardless of race, color or creed. You are killing opportunity for everyone.

If people feel so badly about the USA, and feel guilt about us, then get the hell out! Get out and get away from us Americans if we are so evil. You pukes! Get the hell out! Obama , Biden and all the rest of you liberal scum that hate this nation and only want to turn it over to the NWO, get the hell out. Go to Britan, go back to France, go back to the middle east, Africa, or where ever else in the hell you came from. Because America doesn’t need you! You all came from crap nations where you couldn’t make a decent living and then you come here and want to complain and crap in the face of Americans. You want to turn the USA into Europe, or what evern home crap hole nation you crawled out of. But, you forget, it was a crap hole you left, where you couldn’t make it and you came here and became successful, building on the bones and blood of Americans. Yes, America’s been so bad to you, you liberal pukes.

As far as I’m concerned, anyone who doesn’t want to speak English and become an independent hard working American can get the hell out. If your promoting your own people and your own race, get the hell out. If your here to promote and convert everyone to your religion, get the hell out. If you want to turn America into a socialistic, communistic nations, GET THE HELL OUT! American doesn’t need YOU!

That comment was for Nottakenyan.

Bob…in further response to you question on who i was referencing in my post above…include yourself. Thanx…

The main impetus for the American Revolution was the Mercantilism of the British Leaders. That pales in comparison to the amount of Mercantilism (Crony Capitalism) that is practiced today by both major parties.

Mercantilism:
http://mises.org/daily/152

More on Mercantilism by Murray Rothbard:
http://mises.org/daily/4304

Dave: Crony Capitalism is what the Democrat supporters do who are in business to steal money from the government ala GE, Heinz, Soros, etc – very few Republican businesses practice it, other than as much as they have to in order to obey the regulations that are forced on them by the leftist run government agencies – ala Koch brothers. Talk about leveling the playing field – what a joke.

Actually, the Republican Party was founded on Mercantilism. They called their platform “internal improvements” a buzz-phrase for Funding the Politically Connected Railroads and Canal Developers with Taxpayer Money.

Thanks, jo, I was going to add some more to mine but our posts overlapped each other and you covered it perfectly. Right on! It is really disturbing to read stuff like Chris wrote because it is so indicative of the lack of knowledge – these people are voters? Gives me chills.

“Most of the reason that the internet exists has absolutely nothing to do with government. The government did so little that it is almost pathetic – despite the government people with entrepreneurial spirit made and make the internet happen. ”

Other than this one statement being so totally wrong, everything else in your post was incorrect or in error.

Drive a road, make a phone call, use the PC, watch TV…then ponder how the sciences and widespread usage came about. (example: ever hear of the Rural Electric Administration (REA)? ).

Go out and ask any business, any owner..ask them what gov’t resources they used to be successful or keep the competition and playing field level, and if they are looking into any state or federal program to utilize to grow…

Flashy, I can see that you are in for some very positive debate too. So you can return to your brain-dead sleep as well. Thanks!

Correction: in the fifth paragraph of my post above I said ‘…tell be this…’ ; that should have been ‘…tell by this…’ I think that both Flashy and Chris might have needed that little extra ‘help’.

Does anyone think that perhaps they are paid to place the kind of posts here as they have?

Oh Flashy, your name-dropping so impresses me — NOT.
What next, another sniper story?
Flashman says — “Drive a road, make a phone call, use the PC, watch TV…then ponder how the sciences and widespread usage came about”.
Okay, I’ve pondered, and the answer is that they came about by people striving to improve their incomes and wealth, in spite of having to drag around the balls and chains that are Big Government.
For real life examples of the results of Big Government, Folks, study this report:
http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

Most all of those things that Flashy mentioned were not brought to fruition by government, some of them might have actually been thought of in a university setting, but the people who made them work were entrepreneurs who saw a way to provide a service or product that people would buy because they needed it or wanted it.

The government was helpful in some of them (REA) but even then did not make it happen. If you think that the farm country of America was brought to the cusp of civilization by government, it is clear that you have been taught revisionist history in the schrools of today. Almost all of the homes served by REA were first served by local companies or by 32 v systems. The REA made it possible for some of them to serve farms that they otherwise could not afford to – and that was a plus.

The TVA for example brought electricity to a huge number of people most of whom had no interest in it. It was a first class boondoggle. In the end I think it was helpful, but many claim that it was more likely kicking and screaming that the people were brought into the civilized world.

But now so many of these people have this mentality that the deserve to receive from the government. Why should they work when they can make a better living on the dole? You will see that eventually some of these people will be forced to work, but most will not. They can make too much money dealing contraband.

All of this has happened because we as a people have given up our first love, that of our Creator.

“Drive a road, make a phone call, use the PC, watch TV…”

It is true the government has facilitated the building of roads and highways however it would have happened anyway as the demand for better roads made it feasable for toll roads to be built. Last I heard the phone companies were private companies not government companies. While it can be agrued that the government provided the impetus for the computer and internet to be created the PC and internet we know today was created by private enterprise not the government. Last I heard the TV networks and stations were privately owned except for PBS.

Hey, Dave67/Flashy/Pinocchio, shouldn’t you be busy selling Cisco UC/VC/Collaboration equipment to international firms…it sounds very challenging and time consuming. Yet, here you are. In fact, here you always are. What’s wrong, no one on the planet wants to do business with you? Business slow? lol…

How is not voting for the lesser of two evils going to help us win over the greater of two evils. This does not mean I believe Mitt Romney to be evil, I do not. I just don’t understand how in theory or principle this idea pans out in the end. How will this country survive 4 more years of what will be an unrestrained Obama?

The Big Government framework, that has enabled an Obama, was put in place by members of both Political Parties. They both march to the tune of Political Entrepreneurs (as opposed to Market Entrepreneurs) who fund their campaigns. As long as we continue to swallow the pablum and rubber-stamp those candidates who have been served up to us, we will continue to see further concentration of our wealth and power into the hands of the few who are politically connected, until we no longer have Freedom or Wealth.
If you truly are concerned with where our country is going, then you need to quit enabling the Big Government Growthers by rubber-stamping their bought-and-paid-for candidates with your vote. Neither Obama nor Romney are going to shrink our Government and give us back our Freedom. They both serve themselves and their Crony Capitalist handlers.
For Limited Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, and the PEACE that comes with Small Government — Vote Libertarian!
http://lp.org/

The Big Government framework, that has enabled an Obama, was put in place by members of both Political Parties. They both march to the tune of Political Entrepreneurs (as opposed to Market Entrepreneurs) who fund their campaigns. As long as we continue to swallow the pablum and rubber-stamp those candidates who have been served up to us, we will continue to see further concentration of our wealth and power into the hands of the few who are politically connected, until we no longer have Freedom or Wealth.
If you truly are concerned with where our country is going, then you need to quit enabling the Big Government Growthers by rubber-stamping their bought-and-paid-for candidates with your vote. Neither Obama nor Romney are going to shrink our Government and give us back our Freedom. They both serve themselves and their Crony Capitalist handlers.
For Limited Government, Free Markets, Personal Responsibility, Individual Freedom, and the PEACE that comes with Small Government — Vote Libertarian!

So if somebody is doing things to you that you don’t like, it’s not okay to say no?
It’s quite a Fairy Tale world that you Liberals live in, isn’t it?
On top of that, Boehner is a Liberal (just Republican). His lips might be saying no, but his mind is saying yes.

In Nov., 2010, Obama ordered his party members to NOT co-operate with anything the Republican Congress did or proposed. Since that time, especially, Reid has tabled every bill put on his desk by the Congress. That’s pretty indicative of a totally partisan attitude of unco-operation on the part of the Democrats, wouldn’t you say? Had he held any kind of bi-partisan attitude, we wouldn’t be nearly 4 years without a budget to guide spending and our credit rating would not have been lowered. Under those circumstances, I’d say Boehner has every reason to not want Obama to succeed at even wiping his own nose, or lower areas. I, too, look forward to the Twit-in-Chief to fail at everything – especially his bid for re-election and the further destruction of my country.

Boehner’s statements were pledged before anything was even started. He laid the guntlet and has never let up. He’s the worst of political scum.

And what would that be?

who is they???

Bob…those referenced by Dave’s comments. Someone forgot to lock up the asylum last night from the reads this morning

Yes we noticed that the asylum was left unlocked Flasher , after all , you’re here .

And Flashman and his multiple personalities are doing their best to continue the misinformation and the fabricated facts that are the Hallmark of devious Progressives.
Ask me to prove, Flashman, that you have multiple personalities and that you are devious.

What did you you just say??? They…who is they? Nice try Flashman…no stick.

@-flusher———-COMRADE————–You talk about being an American,your flea-infested flea-bagger what’s in charge in the white house is from the very start NOT doing the job he was SWORN-IN to do,like UPHOLD the CONSTITUTION,PROTECT the AMERICAN CITIZENS from ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS from crossing into our country. Every thing that the flea-bagger has done ,has been behind closed doors,without ANY from the Republican side. The flea-bagger has STOLEN the AMERICAN CITIZEN TAX PAYERS MONIES,given it to the likes of the car co.,solar panel co.,banks,wall st.,insurance co.,planned parent–hoods,pubic radio and T.V.,stimulus,son of stimulus,acorn,u.a.w., teachers unions, etc.,etc.. his attorney general has sent SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF HIGH POWERED AUTOMATIC WEAPONS to the mesican drug cartel,so as to get several of our Border Agents MURDERED so as to get support for GETTING THE SECOND AMENDMENT REMOVED from the CONSTITUTION. And what about the black panthers in Pa., in para-military outfits WITH BILLY-CLUBS in hand,pacing back and forth in front of a VOTER PRECINCT,this is a federal CRIME,and he WILL NOT prosecute them because they are black.And what about the fact that your boy gave away the INTERROGATION TECHNICS —–COMRADE————-You sound like one of those ADULT DIAPER BOYS/GIRLS,that has a very heavily soiled ADULT DIAPER that is ooozing out all over you and your ADULT BED,you need to give a call to your ADULT MOMMIE for a CHANGE,and be sure to have your ADULT MOMMIE wipe ALL that DIAPER DRIBBLE from your mouth.———What a puke——————–

There is a lot of crap out there that sells.
Wal Mart sells Chinese crap, used to sell American goods. Greed infiltrated and after the old man died it got worse.
McDonalds and others sell crappy food, certainly not good for you, and profits hugely from the indoctrination of the public to their flavor not because of healthy ingredients.
That still exemplifies the “free market” society and if you want to support them more power to you. Good luck with that.
I am not going to stop you.

Daveh234 says:
“There is a lot of crap out there that sells.”

It may be crap to you but it sells. Even after multiple “warnings”. In business the customer is the ultimate decider of what is worth buying and what isn’t.

Our objections to government is manyfold but it’s tendency to produce crap and force us to use it is really high on that list. Just consider the simple post office. UPS and FedEx did a much better job and were / are private companies. Email came along and USPS found itself on the endangered species list. Being a government agency it was too big to fail but I will grant that it did respond to the competition and became noticeably better when it’s primary income was no longer mail.

Guess that shows even government understands that the customer is the ultimate decider of what is worth.

No Dave234,
it does not still exemplify Free Markets. The companies are still bound by myriad regulations that make it impossible to operate freely. Their productivity is decreased, so we pay higher prices for their products. And on top of that, we have to pay the salaries of the meddlesome bureaucrats who lower their productivity and thus raise their prices.
So Dave234, why don’t you quit using Government as your bully boys to take our money and force your ways on us?

DaveH doesn’t know how to read.
The quotes used around “free MArket” mean the supposed or what is considered free market. The free market is not “free” because of other things like regulations and competitive advantages that are in place.

Daveh234 says:
“DaveH doesn’t know how to read.
The quotes used around “free MArket” mean the supposed or what is considered free market. The free market is not “free” because of other things like regulations and competitive advantages that are in place.”

Daveh234 doesn’t know how to write. Quotes around single words and short common phrases indicate that the reader needs to consider the source, common knowledge and pay close attention to the context. Your context quite clearly said that you were objecting to the free part of “free markets” that allowed MacD to sell stuff you considered “crap”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

Chuck,

I believe that the only thing they have earned is the blessing of being born within the limits of the USA. They are lazy at best and that is one of the reasons why Stalin used to call people like them, “Useful Idiots”. Our nation is packed with them.

Chuck – That is a very good point.

Even Obama is an affirmative action president. He’s been dependent on the system his whole life.

DaveH – True, but he is the first to shove his arrogance and crimes in our face and then dare us to try to stop him.

I have never known of another president who so openly mocks the American people, showing his utter contempt and disdain for us. He really does think we are stupid… And, those of us who aren’t falling for his act, …he’s just picking us off one at at time.

Unfortunately he’s right, Kate, about nearly half of the population. I think it’s going to get worse.

you’re an idiot….i havent seen him kill any jews yet

That’s coming – but it will be caucasian Christians

Well Harold Olsen,

Imagine a man of his heritage being a Nazi? Not with Hitler around he wouldn’t. Simply all he is reminds me of Che Guevara when I was just a youngster. Ideological mind with a destructive sentiment toward anything that is the USA. What is surprising to me is the fact that the American people were dormant while this little bastard was slid under the door to the White House. And what is worst; the American people voted for that moron.

So what does that tell me? That the people are chocked to see something new because what has supposedly been working, is truly not.

Don’t get me wrong. I am a Conservative, and I do not believe this bastard is going to win nor do I believe he is the anti-Christ either. He is just one that got in. Now I know why Arnold da Terminator wanted to run for office too?

This reminds me of the Raise and Fall of the Roman Empire. At the very end, the seat of Cesar was for sale to the highest bidder.

Ultimate power corrupts to the core; in particular, and obviously, when the person exploiting such power considers himself “Absolute”. Which is a very unique characteristic from men such as himself, Hitler, Stalin…and many more….the only thing this moron has not done, yet, is kill our people.

Just my 2 cents.

californiasailor – He’s not just “one who got in”. He was put there.

Speaking of Obama’s assertion that no one succeeds without government… well, it certainly is true of him. He believes this because it is his own experience. He’s never earned a single thing he has.

Everything in his life, including his entire education, was arranged by the rich and powerful. Most of it is only on paper…and is heresay.

He was groomed from childhood, funded by foreign powers, placed in a suit and taught how to stand in front of a camera (prompter). As an unknown in Chicago, his mobster handlers had his opponents knocked of the ballot to gain the Senatorial election by default. It’s pretty hard to lose when no one runs against you.

Two years later, the media adds reverberation to his mics and shines a light over his head and…voila! The dumbed-down masses swoon and this virtual unknown, thoroughly unqualified figment becomes POTUS, winning the dubious position of figurehead sock puppet.

He has no concept of what it is to be an entrepeneur, to work hard and actually EARN success. He’s the consummate Red Diaper Doper Baby in a dark suit.

Johnnie:

For Pete’s Sake, give him time! Hitler didn’t kill Jews the first day he took over either. It took him about five years or more. Oblama hasn’t been in office that long yet! Besides, Oblama isn’t nearly as smart as Hitler was.

45 – I don’t know if they’re all Jews, but Obama’s already been racking up quite a body count. There is at least one video out memorializing those he had murdered because they knew too much, or were just political enemies, and it is by no means complete.

I’m sure you know of the plans with Bill Ayres to eliminate at least 25 million of us, and that was way back when. I’m sure the numbers are a lot higher now.

I wish I’d saved it. I’m sure it can be found. There is also one about the Clinton body count.

Please list how OB is like Hitler, Maybe u mean Bush since he lied about WMD so he can go to war

Let’s just call it like it is – namely, Obama is a fascist.

He is no No No Nazi ! National Socialists ( or Nazi as you like to call them ) were very conservative and extremely Right Wing Nationalist , and anti communist i believe the only reason they put socialist in there name was to sucker the jews into voting them in .

Jimmy the Geek – That is Leftist propaganda, and no matter how often you repeat that lie, it will never be true.

NAZIs were Leftists. Were then, still are.

Propaganda Minister Jimmy the Creek….or is it Jimmy the Geek?!?….let me see…Socialists/Marxists/Communists = Left Wing = Government Control compare to Personal Freedom/Liberty = Right Wing = Small Government…..Let’ s see Hitler, his Party was the “NSDAP – National Socialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei = National Socialist German Workers’ Party) which is total Government Controll & Diktatorship. Jimmy the Geek, how is this right wing?!?….Jimmy the Geek, you are a liar, as was Hitler as is Obumma, what else to expect from Communists/Diktators. Fuehrer Obumma / Diktator in Chief with Gestapo Leader Eric Holder are proud of you, so would be Hittler & Goebbles.

Johnny, I have news for you, he has killed Jews indirectly by the way he has mistreated Israel, and praised and apologized to the Moslem world. You need to study your history books, and find out for yourself what else Hitler did. Obama is using Mein Kampf as his personal guideline for fundamentally transforming America. Read it for yourself, then decide.

JUKEBOX – You are so right. But there’s one thing I’ve become aware of with Leftists, and that is that, if there is something they don’t want to believe, they will simply not investigate it. They cling to their illusions and read only Leftist propaganda. Besides, they truly believe that if you repeat a lie often enough, it will be true.

Kind of a create your own reality thing, I guess. Gee, how’s that working…

Besides, we all know that these Leftist trolls are paid shills. I really don’t know why we don’t just ignore them, like we’re always saying. After awhile, I get to where I just can’t stand their outrageous claims and ill-informed proclamations. I mean, it’s just plain sickening.

Hello Harold: Obama will accept either Fascism or Communism which ever will work in his quest to destroy our Republic. His policy of getting into businesses like General Motors and the so-called Green Energy business is pure Fascism. His Communist side comes out when he tells everyone His Style of Government should confiscate the hard earned dollars of the Producers in America, and give it to those who sit on their behinds and have never helped in Producing Anything; they only take and never give back anything, because that is the Fair Thing to do. As for television news I rarely ever watch it;.Fox seems to be better than the others but they will only go so far when it comes to exposing this Usurper. The others i can’t stomache; they should all join together as one and just call themselves The Communist/Fascist News, there aren’t any of them worth their salt in bringing the truth to their listeners, only Fools would rely on these people for bringing them the truth, as they are as bad or worse than the former Soviet Union’s Tass which was all Communist Propaganda. The famous Roman Statesman Cicero said a nation can survive it’s fools but the Traitors within it can-not, and I agree a nation can’t survive the Traitors Within and we have plenty of them. But I disagree with his statement; a nation can survive it’s fools. Because in America’s case it is the Fools who elect these Insidious Bastards, who have betrayed this once Great Republic and it hasn’t been that long ago that these Traitors C hildren of Satan would have been Hung or brought before a Firing Squad at no time in this nation’s history has justice demanded this as it does today.

7/19/12, BO is nothing but a tinhorn 3rd world dictator. He has the persona of a despot. Blacks may wax big about freedom & justice but gravitate to those most likely to hurt them. And that’s a fact.

After spending a lot of time trying to figure out just were he coming from (I don’t mean Kenya) . It has become clear to me that is the “AntiChrist” and pure evil.

California Steve –
The Devil will use everyone who allows him to use them. Oblama-lama-ding-dong’s background and grooming are typical of how the D likes to set things up when he can.
BU-U-U-u-u-u-U-UT, Bury is not submissive enough, is too self-indulgent, is rash, is WAY TOO conceited, too narrowly educated, experienced in very little and needs way too much of the old butt-butter to be entrusted with the Antichrist (of John’s Revelation) job. (If that’s what you’re talking about.) That’s going to be way too demanding a task for such a simpleton. Nah, he’s just a warm up act…expendable and, probably (when the Elites on top decide it) disposable. Somebody like Russia’s Putin would be a more likely candidate.
There are some very big voices on the left indicating they’re growing tired of his undisciplined antics.
If black American’s ever figure out how badly he has shafted them or for any reason turn on him…he’ll disappear very fast, I think. But, there isn’t a whole lot of time left until the election. Such movements in the bowels of America take time. So, who can say?

Cal. Steve -
Bear in mind I don’t think Putin is the one for the job, either, because he has too much of a KGB history to be accepted by very many people in the rest of the world.
I do believe the AntiC will suddenly appear on the world scene similarly to how obalama-lama-ding-dong did but will be much more sophisticated.

I ‘m not sure of what he is,.but I’m sure of what he isn’t!! He’s definitely not a good president for America! He hates capitalism, & that is what made America a great country!! Give this jerk 4 more years & America will be done, ready for the trash heap of history!!

Kate 8 You do not know what you are taking about ! have you ever been around any National Socialists ( or Nazi’s as you call them ) ? I have , and i can tell you liberal they are not ! Go up to a National Socialists and tell them they are a lefty , there are meetings and protests and march’s all the time . Google National Socialists Movement or NSM-88 that well get you to there web – site and see what they are all about ,

Jukebox Have you ever read Mein Kampf ? If obongo even touched the book it would burn his hands . it speaks a lot of race and jews A copy is on my night stand next to my bed !

So Murray – Did it ever occur to you that Bush might have actually believed the false intelligence? There is also the fact that every single member of congress had a voice in voting to commit troops and they approved it. There were also about 7 to 9 UN resolutions stating the same thing. I consider the gassing of over 100,000 Kurds pretty compelling as far as WMD’s are concerned, but then gas doesn’t evidently count as a means to destroy large amounts of people right?

I’m not saying Bush was right, I’m just saying that congress also had a part in this so place blame where it lies….. We have spent over 6 Trillion of our tax dollars so far with nothing to show for it and we can’t even afford to provide our seniors with the Medicare they worked to pay for, nor our children a good educations.

Obama is no more commie or Nazi than you or Root is…. The show continues…. Oh wait, I’m not so sure about Root….

Kate8… You say to “Jimmy the Geek – That is Leftist propaganda, and no matter how often you repeat that lie, it will never be true.
NAZIs were Leftists. Were then, still are”.

Kate8…I am Jewish and I hard many of my grandmothers siblings, aunts, uncles friends etc baked and gassed and shot by the very conservative far right group known as the Nazis Hitler was the head of.

Kate8, you do not know a thing of what you are saying… Do you also deny the Holocaust? Maybe you deny WW2 happened too. Whatever it is you were lied to with your comment, wherever you got it from.

There is only one difference in the Nazis and the Communists. The Nazis permit private ownership of property at least in theory. Just like the communist the nazis maintain TOTAL control over production, prices, what is manufactured, and who can make what as well as having total control over your travel, pay rate, and even what job you hold.

Buster the Anatolian… In you concise statement you are very correct. Also the differences include, but not limited to, the Nazi conservative Socialists were very far right and the Commies were very far left. Obama in far in the middle from either of them. Obama would be an enemy to both and with us.

macgyver1948 You missed my point. The Nazis and Fascist are not far right they are far left but permit the ownership of private property so long as they have total control of your use of that property.

Buster the Anatolian…No, I did not miss the point, I believe it is you who have missed the lessons of history. Nazis have always been far right and the Communists are fart left. As I sated on here before the commies want to own all the property and the socialists Nazis allowed ownership with their permission.

Hitler went after the social left, the social Democrats, the Communists… he was so far conservative right he was against any who were not as he. Hitler hated Jews, black people. He went after all who were not right with him. I continue to see the far Right’s new definition of Fascism. Changing the real definition of a word will not make it so. I see all the time far right people going into my bible and attempting to redefine our scriptures, all out of context, to justify something of theirs. You can’t do it with bibles and you can’t with history. Only dim witted people will buy it. Mussolini and Hitler were of the right. (The term fascismo was coined by the Italian Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini and the Neo-Hegelian philosopher )

Do your own research but please if you want to know the truth do not just listen to propaganda from those who do not want you to know the alignment to them. Look it up.

World English Dictionary
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism

New World Encyclopedia….
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Fascism

Seek you own dictionary’s and encyclopedias and real history books. You have been lied to big time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism was founded during World War I by Italian national syndicalists who combined left-wing and right-wing political views.[6][7] Fascists have commonly opposed having a firm association with any section of the left-right spectrum, considering it inadequate to describe their beliefs,[8][9] though fascism’s goal to promote the rule of people deemed innately superior while seeking to purge society of people deemed innately inferior is identified as a prominent far-right theme.[10] Fascism opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and the two major forms of socialism — communism and social democracy, and denounce them as representatives of sectarian interests rather than the community as a whole.[11] To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[12] Fascism promotes political violence and war as forms of direct action that promote national rejuvenation, spirit and vitality.[3][13] Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations to commit or threaten violence against their opponents.

Note*-opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and the two major forms of socialism — communism and social democracy, and denounce them as representatives of sectarian interests rather than the community as a whole.

Elaine.. Fascism was indeed an Italian development with Mussolini as its guide but Hitler took it to the right in Germasny. However we look at it it sucks and is only for the power structure. I do not want anything here but what the Founders built for us and I do not want to lean to far right or left. I see what the founders built as faltering but I believe it is because of major corporate influence in Government and far to much dependence on Government, a combination of both. Again, The Founders warned us about the Corporations.
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Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) over the course of his lifetime went from Socialism – he was editor of Avanti, a socialist newspaper – to the leadership of a new political movement called “fascism” [after "fasces", the symbol of bound sticks used a totem of power in ancient Rome].

Mussolini came to power after the “March on Rome” in 1922, and was appointed Prime Minister by King Victor Emmanuel.

In 1932 Mussolini wrote (with the help of Giovanni Gentile) and entry for the Italian Encyclopedia on the definition of fascism. 

Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism — born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision — the alternative of life or death….
From http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp

Some Americans still don’t get it! God help you that don’t, for if we lose this election in November to get an idiot out of the WH – GOD forbid!

Are you for real or just another stupid moron being led to the slaughter.????? This Potus has no clue about anything in general. He’s hell bent on destroying the greatest nation on earth and worried he’s being misunderstood. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and you need to wise up quickly. I have no use for this POTUS and this is the nicest thing I can type aout him. He is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

H Car….You are as blinded as Obama! You said without the roads the entrepreneurs could not deliver their goods….without the entrepreneurs delivering their goods there would be no need for roads. I personally know a very bright young man and he started his own business in the basement of his family’s home. He financed his own project (started a step at a time) and his business grew and grew and he marketed his own product! The Government had not one thing to do with this young man’s success in building a very profitable “self made business”….so, take that H Car and Obama!!!!
And you say Obama is a good American. You need to read about “The Down Low Club” and “Man’s Country”….also read the article on the internet titled “The Ulsterman Report: Sex and Murder in the Land of Obama.” You will see the caliber of man you have in the White House.

You are correct, but the people who think only with hate will not ever admit anything Obama says is true. I owned a small business for 20 years, and it’s absolutely true that without the services provided by government I could not have survived. Roads to bring me goods and customers, a peaceful country so people didn’t have to worry about car bombs if they came to shop with me, the backbone of the Internet so I could communicate with suppliers, all built by the government and all beyond the possible reach of any business to have done on their own.

When you can’t even accept a president speaking the truth, then you only open yourself up for the ones who’ll decide, “OK, all they want to hear is lies to make them feel warm and fuzzy.”

That’s why the far right offers up lies like “Death panels” and “the government is going to kick in your door and take your guns!”; they know those who think only from fear to hate will believe anything that validates their childish fears.

Look at the e-mails that bring you here; they start off with “Obama the socialist/communist/atheist/Muslim/alien is going to destroy America…. better buy some gold quick from our proud sponsors!”

If you can’t recognize a con game designed to frighten you into hoarding gold rather than tell you the truth, you deserve to sit trembling in your bunker with your guns, cans of pork-and-beans, and small stash of gold waiting for the big one.

Obama,a good American?????? I’m laughing so hard snot came out of my nose.

Really….a Good American. Either you are blind, drunk, drugged or brain washed. This guy and his crowd of Chicago thugs have sped up the decline of our nation.

He has lied to the bulk of the citizens that he is looking out for their interests while he pads his pocket and the pocket of his handlers all the while rushing us into the NWO.

Obama’s actions as-well-as his words are what defines him. As soon as he got into office, his first goal was to socialize medicine, classic Marxism. It was Marx who said that the government take-over of medicine is, “the key stone in the arch of socialism.” and that once the government controls health care, that “everything else will follow, like night follows day.” This is exactly the ideology that Obama has followed, making him a Communist, including his remarks that entepenuers did not build their own business.

Rob – No, the firsth thing he did was nationalize the banks, and then the auto industry. He eliminated all car dealers who hadn’t supported him…meaning those owned by conservatives.

Bailing out the banks was just a ruse to allow the banks to completely takeover. The government does not run the banks, the banks run the government, and the big banks are swallowing up all of the independent banks in order to collapse the whole thing.

The bank collapse is just more show… there isn’t any real money. It’s for the sole purpose of destroying sovereign nations, causing mass misery, confiscating all property and emerging as the NWO, the great behemoth to which we all will be required to submit.

That is, those of us who are allowed to survive.

Unless… we get busy.

H Car says — “The president is a GOOD AMERICAN”.
Good Americans don’t help themselves to other peoples’ money, H Car.

Don’ confuse Good Americans, H Car, with the Society of Criminals:
http://mises.org/daily/4125

Wow…you are clueless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Obama told us in advance what he planned to do to America. Few were listening or they totally misunderstood at the time, but now we know.

The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised “Meet The Press.”

From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008, 11:48:04 EST, Televised “Meet the Press” the then Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.

General Bill Ginn, USAF (ret.), asked Obama to explain WHY he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…

During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention, facing the flag, with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, “Stand and Face It”.

NOW GET THIS !!

‘Senator’ Obama replied, “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I DON’T WANT TO BE PERCEIVED AS TAKING SIDES…” “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression…” “The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air, and all that sort of thing.”

(ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)

Obama continued, “The National Anthem should be ‘swapped’ for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing.’ If that were our anthem, THEN I MIGHT SALUTE IT. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as REDESIGN our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if elected, to DISARM AMERICA TO THE LEVEL OF ACCEPTANCE TO OUR MIDDLE EAST BRETHREN. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails, perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments.”

(Islam, where PEACE prevails???)

“When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice, which is WHY MY WIFE DISRESPECTS THE FLAG, and SHE AND I HAVE ATTENDED SEVERAL FLAG BURNING CEREMONIES IN THE PAST.”

“Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and NOW I HAVE TO PUT MY HATRED ASIDE. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a NEW PATH. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First black Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to OVERWHELM the United States of America.”

WHAAAAAAAT is that??? Yes, you read it right. I, for one, am speechless!!!

Dale Lindsborg, Washington Post, “EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEEDS TO READ THIS SO SHARE TO KEEP IT GOING! SAVE AMERICA BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE!

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
– Abraham Lincoln

“A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” George Washington, President of the United States

Bobby says:
“…..and it’s absolutely true that without the services provided by government I could not have survived. Roads to bring me goods and customers…”

Roads don’t bring you goods and customers, Advertizing does. Customers were coming to business long before roads were anything other than a path. Even the old saying “build a better mousetrap” explains this. Roads were built by people because it improved the efficency of getting goods and customers together. Government took over building roads claiming to do it better. I offer Cal-trans as the example where (as the joke goes) one person shovels asphalt while 4 supervise.

We could even build our own roads. I lived in the woods for a while. No government roads there. Every year we got together and built or repaired any part of the road needed. On my property I built and maintained my own road.

Bobby: “…a peaceful country so people didn’t have to worry about car bombs if they came to shop with me…”

Government can’t give you that. If it could you would not see the violence in the middle east. A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms along with an abiding faith in providence (God if you prefer) gave us peace. Just ask the folk who attacked Pearl Harbor and why they didn’t keep coming to the western shores of the US. (behind every blade of grass…)

Bobby: “…the backbone of the Internet so I could communicate with suppliers…”

http://navigators.com/isp.html interesting that there is no government installation listed. Secret society hidden in there? The CIA is rumored to have “front” companies like Air-America.

Bobby: “all built by the government and all beyond the possible reach of any business to have done on their own.”

Clearly not. Especially in the internet case. In fact the governments now getting desperate attempts to control the net are adequate proof. Unless you are thinking of government as Dr. Frankenstein instead of Frankenstein.

Lets for a moment take a closer look at who invented the net
http://www.computerhope.com/history/internet.htm
As you can see the government DID have a hand in it but the internet came from the successful commercialization of a concept that was being implemented, like many inventions, more or less simultaneously. (see alohanet, packet radio, BBS and others)
What you really notice about the internet is how it was born and grew by the co-operative enlightened self interest of all the individuals who were involved. Doing what Americans do best. Working together innovating new products to sell to customers or just for fun.

Bobby: “That’s why the far right offers up lies like “Death panels” and “the government is going to kick in your door and take your guns!”; they know those who think only from fear to hate will believe anything that validates their childish fears.”

Childish fears like these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
http://reason.com/archives/2005/09/10/defenseless-on-the-bayou

Death Panels?
http://www.westernjournalism.com/brain-surgeon-confirms-obamacare-rations-care-has-death-panels/
http://dickmorris.rallycongress.com/6446/kill-death-panels/

You may not want to call them death panels but since they are making decisions based on cost and not effectiveness of treatment they are what they are.

Jeez buddy wake up and smell the roses. This guy is going to bring down this country with his health care and the budget. read the health care bill you won’t believe what’s in it

ROADS ! well i know a little about roads I have been in trucking all my life , I own a small trucking co and still drive one of the rigs , WE all Pay For the Roads every time you put gas in your car or diesel in a truck , Did you know that the federal government’s tax on a gallon of fuel is more than the oil company makes in prophet off that gallon , then along comes the state and they to tax the same gallon , there cut to is more than what the big bad oil company makes . And the sad part is they don’t even help produce it . Then every 18 wheeler on the road pays a HUT tax ( heavy use tax ) that is $550.00 per year per truck . When we buy a new truck we pay state sales tax , then the feds get us for a 15% excise tax , FYI a new tractor cost over $100,000.00 All the zog government ever did for me is rob me and give me a bad time with over regulation and the police and cities think trucks are ATMs for money .

What about Obama giving a major speech at the Brandenburg Gate, which was one of Hitler’s favorite speech platforms.

Jimmy the Greek you are bragging about all the taxes you pay. If you trippled all those taxes they would ALMOST pay for the wear and tear your rigs put on the highway.

A “GOOD” American? Are you insane? Everything Obama says and does demonstrates exactly how much he hates this country. If he is a “GOOD” American, I’d like to see what a truly reprehensible American is like. Step back from the Kool-aid!!!!!

Our current president is a muslim, born and bred. He said so himself many times. Everyone in this country needs to grasp the fact that the only thing government produces, is cost. Either in money, power, or human lives. No government has ever produced it’s own taxes, or it’s own products to sell to earn money, it has only stolen from it’s own citizens., and caused the death of people everywhere. Anyone care to try and disprove this, good luck.

I was an anti-terrorist operative in Iraq/Afganistan. The tactics used by BO’s team have been used in almost all of the terrorist/facists’ gamebooks. Some are based on communist doctrine but are all propogandist in nature. You are a victim of propoganda and unless you and others mis-led by the doctrine seek to disprove it yourselves, you will succumb to the lie ,too. “…Many will be mis-led…” -Bible Sharpen the Guillotine

Paideaux Trucks pay more than what is needed to keep up the highways ! the reason the government says they don’t have enough money is because they keep using the highway money to fund public transportation , crap like bicycle lanes and bull crap like that !

I refuse to call him a president. Usurper is the right word for him. Nothing about him is real. Nothing about his honest, nothing about him is true. He is a racist trying to cause racial upheaval and, as Root said, doing everything to destroy this country from withing. This includes the utilities, monetary and financial system, and work ethics that have not yet been destroyed by the welfare system that have been in place for so many decades.

He hates America and all of our allies, such as Britain and Israel.

He’s giving our natural resources and money that we don’t have to China and Russia, and socialist countries the world over.

But I already know that people like you are either part of the NWO or blind to the destruction of our country that they seek.

If he’s not the anti-Christ, he’s at least paving the way for him. And he is a puppet for some demagog somewhere. Probably a group of them since one person alone probably couldn’t have gotten him a ill-gotten Nobel Peace Prize, which has forever made that award a joke now.

And then the way he and his wife have taken our taxes to live a lavish, unearned, life-style while the hypocrite tells us we need to sacrifice for future generations?!!!!

BHO (who knows what his name really is) a good American?!!! Never!!!!!

Jimmy I know what I am talking about for I worked for the highway department. I have witnessed first hand what big rigs do to the highways.

http://pecangroup.org/full-disclosure/presidential-body-counts/obama-body-count

phideaux says:
July 22, 2012 at 12:47 am
Jimmy I know what I am talking about for I worked for the highway department. I have witnessed first hand what big rigs do to the highways.

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Thats great that you worked for the highway dept.,

Our company pays over 10K per trailer in taxes, over 12K per trailer lic. plate, plus the IFTA fuel tax and milage tax. And don’t forget the income tax on the company itself.
The tractor lic. plate is about 8 to 10K. What about the fines we get at the weigh stations for not having our engine steam cleaned and sparkling.

So tell me phideaux, what are they doing with all the tax money?
Working for theway dept. doe’s not make you a wizard!

Jibbs you have listed approx. 30,000 in taxes and lic, each truck pays. That is a very small drop in the bucket to what kind of damage each one does to the highways. Even after you add in fuel taxes and fines you still do not come close to covering the damage you do to the highways.

Thank you Roy james! Someone smart here at last! Anyone who thinks they are an island is not realistic. Everyone in this country benefits from the help of the government. I herd a guy say not only do I use the internet, roads and hire employees who used government grants to get their education, I don’t miss polio or smallpox either! But like Obama said, people who are successful like to say its because I am better or smarter than everyone else. They are egotistical idiots who like to brag about themselves and put everyone else down.

Roy says — “He said we all stand on the shoulder of those before us”.
Don’t you mean, Roy, that certain parasites among us think they are entitled to ride on the shoulders of others?

Again Lori, I ask if we can not succeed without the valuable help of Government, then why do they need our money? Why can’t they create their own wealth with their valuable capabilities? And why do they need to Force them on us? If their services were indeed valuable, wouldn’t people willingly subscribe to them?

Lori says:
“Thank you Roy james! Someone smart here at last! Anyone who thinks they are an island is not realistic. Everyone in this country benefits from the help of the government.”

Though it is true that many benefit from the innovations of the past it is NOT true that government helps when it steps outside of its bounds. A little government is a necessary requirement. Big government is an un-necessary evil. For proof I offer the entire history of man.

Vicki, government gets bigger every time someone wants to ban animals they consider evil or make laws that stop gay people from adopting children (just two examples out to millions). The more man complains and sues, the bigger government gets! Whose fault is that? People are never happy and no one here will ever really agree on HOW MUCH the government should get involved in our lives. It doesn’t matter if it is at federal, state or local government level, when you demand that your neighbors fence should be 8 feet off your property line it sets a precidence that becomes bigger and bigger throughout the government levels. But the same people who create government involvement in our lives will complain there is too much of it.

Lori says — “the same people who create government involvement in our lives will complain there is too much of it”.
I’m sure that does apply to some people, Lori, but you are making an unfounded statement to generalize like that.
There is little that the Government does for us that we couldn’t have bought more cheaply from Private Enterprise (if we were allowed). Why do those of you, who think Big Government is desirable, Force it on the rest of us?
Private Enterprise can only dream of forcing it’s products on people, and even though they can’t the Liberals will still vilify them. Yet, they remain strangely silent when the Government forces it products on the citizens.

DaveH, I hate the government involved so much in our lives….my point was because people cannot and will not find a solution on their own, they turn to the government with their whining and want them to create laws and ordinances that affect us all. Then those same whiney people say the government is too involved in our lives… that was my point the people creating the problem for all of us are the ones that use the government to solve their problems and force it on us the most! I hate seeing that crap in the news!

So Lori. Now that you have apparently taken both sides are you for or against government. If for are you for larger more intrusive or smaller and less intrusive government.

I know that deerinwater hates labels but if you have a label that you think reasonably matches all of the likely questions we might have about your beliefs, feel free to share rather than having to answer a lot of questions.

The political label that seems to be most closely mine is “Constitutional Conservative” or “Libertarian”. In fact on the diamond test I am 100% libertarian.

I guess you are one of the ones who are afraid of work. Each individual has what is needed to succeed. How that person uses what they need is their choice. If I wanted to be subservient to a group, I would have planned to ask. Many people have worked hard, and made the tough choices to succeed to their level of success. For me, my success was outliving the enemies who tried to overcome my choices. Can you explain how they helped my success??

Dick. You are an excellent example of the state of education in America (assuming that you were educated here). Right down to your ad-hominem debate style. Well Done.

Au Contraire, Dick. Your mind is closed like a steel trap. How fortunate it is for Leaders to have sheeple like yourself.

I am not really sure what all you Obama hater’s are thinking you will get with Romney? Romney is BIG BUSINESS and will roll the poor and middle class under the bus until we live in the streets and eat garbage! Romney has made it quite clear that he doesn’t care for poor people and seems to have no interest in helping middle class citizens. Everyone has to pick who they think is the lesser of the evils or not vote at all. Romney hopes none of us middle class or poor people vote at all! We cannot win we have been the sheep for too long and now it is expected!

Lori gives another example of a fine education by writing:
“I am not really sure what all you Obama hater’s are thinking you will get with Romney? Romney is BIG BUSINESS and will roll the poor and middle class under the bus until we live in the streets and eat garbage! ”

Ummm. Since big business got big by bringing products to customers that they wanted to buy how exactly will big business survive if they do as you claim and roll their biggest market under some bus?

Lori,
What gave you the idea we like Romney?

Dick- Your post reminds me of something I read once, especially when you brag about having an open mind. The definition of a liberal: “Someone so open-minded that their brains have fallen out.”

Sorry I guess I still screw up like I used to.
http://finance.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/RWR/DEC-VSP/dec-vsp-alt.php?ccode=&em=&sc=NMAX&ec=4901145

http://finance.uncommonwisdomdaily.com/reports/RWR/DEC-VSP/dec-vsp-alt.php?ccode=&em=&sc=NMAX&ec=4901145

Holy cow, Dan az! I can’t believe it’s you!

This video is devastating. I’ve been hearing similar talk from a few others, and I have no doubt that it’s true. What of those of us who don’t have investment capital lying around?

Not only that, but the Chinese already own a good percentage of America, and intend to own it all.

How does this bode for the future we we Americans? We are already becoming the minority in our own country… And when Americans become hungry, cold and sick enough, we’ll beg for the PTB to save us with the NWO?

That’s their plan, anyway. Are we going to allow this to happen? Do we have another choice?

Dan az, ! Good to see you’re alive and well! Welcome back!

JeffH, Dan az – Well, it came out today the real reason why no court has ruled that we the people can open Obama’s sealed records:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2411/799/Obamas_Forgotten_Executive_Order:_13489_Signed_Day_1_Of_His_Presidency_-_Sealed_Release_Of_All_Of_His_Records.html

It seems that his first EO was to seal his own records. That is why the courts will NOT HEAR THE CASE. Or, if they do, they drop it when they learn of the EO.

Link to actual document at bottom of article.

What a piece of work. How does even a POTUS have the authority to seal evidence of his own crimes and fraud? This is an outrage. For every crime he either EOs his way out, or claims Executive Privilege.

If he isn’t The Antichrist, he sure is a close facsimile.

Yet, close to half the population supports him, Kate. It shows just how low the morality of Americans has sunk.

DaveH – So they say. That would be the clueless half.

It’s such a shame that we have so many who fall for the lies and the glitz and don’t have the intelligence or discernment to see what’s behind it, nor do they want to find out.

It also amazes me the so many have no idea that we are so close to losing it all.