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July 16, 2012 by  

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We have a great many loyal readers on this site. You have made us the No. 9 Libertarian site on the Web.

Some few of our readers have been here from the beginning in fall of 2008. Still others have followed my writings even longer, having come from my monthly printed newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter (subscription required).

A great many readers come for a time and then disappear. We always hate it when they leave. But since our subscriber base continues to grow, that means new people are coming on board every day. Some of them join us expecting, it seems, to see content reflecting a “Republican” bias. But after reading a thing or two they are surprised and sometimes frightened or angered by what they see. This is reflected in some of the comments.

Today’s column is written to explain our philosophy for those who are just coming on board, those who still don’t understand, those enslaved by the false right/left paradigm and those who grapple with where our philosophy fits in the grand scheme.

Here are answers to the most common questions we get.

Who is Bob Livingston? I am a Christian American patriot. In the 1960s, I became alarmed at the direction our Nation was headed. I became frustrated with the lies, deceit, misinformation and deliberate disinformation being spread as “truth” by the government, the manipulated media and the controlling elite. I believed the lies needed be exposed, so I began to seek an outlet to do that. In 1969, I began publishing my subscription newsletter, The Bob Livingston Letter™. My goal is to find the truth and spread it far and wide. My favorite subjects are alternative health issues, privacy, wealth protection, the preservation of freedom and the history of man.

Do you consider yourself a Republican, Democrat or Libertarian? I belong to no political party. I am beholden to none. I consider myself an ultra-conservative and a Constitutionalist. Some read what I write and call me a conservative, some a liberal, some a libertarian. Those labels are meaningless in their current sense, as their meanings have been corrupted by the mainstream media and the political parties.

But what about party politics? There is no discernible difference between the two major parties. Both promote big government over the individual. We can use history as our guide. Candidates from both parties constantly run on promises of “change.” But the only change we see is a rearranging of which special interest gets the best seat at the table. Regardless of the party in charge, government grows and liberty is lost. The two major parties control the process and will never allow another party to invade their turf.

What do you mean when you say American government is not a democracy? The American government is not a democracy as most believe, even though government schools have for years taught that the United States is a democracy. We have a representative democracy in name only. What we have are manipulated Representatives and Senators. They are owned by big business and socialist government bureaucrats. In truth, we have fascism, i.e., the alliance of big government and big business. The two-party system is, in truth, one party that represents only government.

Why are you always encouraging people to buy gold and silver? The policies of the Federal Reserve and criminal Congress and the perpetual wars are leading us pell-mell toward economic collapse. We are on the same path as Weimar Germany in the 1920s. During that period, currency was worthless. People were papering their walls with 1 million mark notes. A loaf of bread cost 100,000 million marks. Mothers had to prostitute themselves to feed their children. But those who had gold and silver in their possession were still able to purchase bread and meat. The Fed is now buying debt with debt. The “official” inflation numbers are a scam, as anyone who is buying food knows. When our currency collapses, banks will close and our dollars will be worthless. But some will be buying bread for a dime — a silver, pre-1964 dime. Those who hold gold and silver will retain their wealth. Gold and silver are permanent money. Those who hold fiat dollars will be destitute.

Are you paid by the gold sellers to push gold? No.

Why are you so critical of American foreign policy? Because I understand the true nature and goals of the elites. They create pretense for wars for their benefit. The people who caused the great World War I, World War II and all wars, thus causing the deaths and suffering of millions of people, were none other than central bankers in other countries and the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank. Central banks create paper money and credit for government and politicians to spend for war and a broad socialist agenda. All the money and credit that was/is the source of crushing debt on the American people was created by the U.S. central bank. Banker-created money is the blood of war, as well as the impoverishment of the people. The discipline of the gold standard would have prevented all the wars of the past 100 years. Millions of dead soldiers died for nothing, along with millions of civilians. History books do not record this.

Who are these “elites” you write about? The ruling elite is a small number of families who have ruled the world for 1,000 years. They are neither Christians nor benevolent rulers. They are merciless and Malthusian despots who demand blood sacrifice from the deceived humanity. They use psychopathic bureaucrats and politicians to carry out their deception and systematic oppression. They are godless and the only loyalty they have is to the secret orders (Skull and Bones) of ancient handshakes and symbols of the all-seeing eye of “providence” and “The New Order of the Ages.”

Why are you against vaccines and write so much about alternative medicine? They slay us with semantics. It’s not by any definition “healthcare” in the United States. It’s sickness care. If you are not sick when you go to the medical system, you certainly will be soon. The U.S. medical system is a killing machine, and not too disguised. More and more people are waking up to this fact. You know, we could bypass a lot of misinformation in the mystery of health if we could go back to the fork in the road that split off between Antoine Bechamp (1816-1908) and Louis Pasteur (1822-1895).

Pasteur created fertile ground for the hoax of modern medicine that we have today. Charlatans and sociopaths saw the vast empire of wealth that could be created on the theories of Pasteur. Hence we have the multitrillion-dollar synthetic chemical pharmaceutical colossus that has medically imprisoned the whole planet. We are sicker than ever and everybody knows this, but ignorance keeps us sick and keeps making trillions of dollars for the pharmaceutical conspiracy.

Another thing, the government and the political order are in bed with the pharmaceutical companies. You don’t hear politicians exposing this madness that is crushing the American people economically and killing millions of people yearly. Talk about murder incorporated and population control all in the same bucket! And guess who pays the bill? Obamacare says it all.

How much more can these psychopaths put on the backs of the people? As the Nation collapses, the American people are stabbed in the heart, yet again. OK, for you readers who are alert, here it is: Pasteur said that disease comes at us from the outside of the body. You know, the “germ theory of disease.” This is a world-class multitrillion-dollar hoax that has literally captured the mind of the population. Everybody knows that we “catch a cold” and catch disease, so it’s the environment external to the body. Well, what about all the people who don’t “catch a cold?”

Antoine Bechamp, whom nobody knows, taught correctly that the milieu or internal environment governs life and health and sickness and death. Simply, if we are healthy inside, we are healthy outside and no amount of “germs” affect us at all. The vaccine myth is founded on the false germ theory. Vaccines are dangerous and are promoted by the elites for population control. Many doctors reject them for themselves and their families but dutiful bow to big Pharma and inject their patients in violation of their Hippocratic Oath, which reads in part (original): “I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.”

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is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • CherokeeDan

    This article merely confirmes what I already believed about Libertarians. I agree with much of the philosophy but, where I disagree, I disagree so stongly that I could never call myself a Libertarian. It;s great that we still have freedom of thought (at least for now).

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You will always have freedom of thought. It is the Freedom of Speech which can be curtailed by bullies and thugs and governments and it can be done by religion that is not based on the Holy Scriptures (Bible).

    • DaveH

      Dan,
      Make sure you know what it is you are disagreeing with. Bob said himself that he is NOT a Libertarian. But before you go too far in disagreeing with the Libertarian philosophy, make sure you know what that philosophy really is:
      http://mises.org/books/newliberty.pdf

  • http://www.CampMatecumbeVeterans.com Manny Gutierrez

    Mr. Livingston:
    The ruling elites of Malthusian despots you refer to has been working hard to destroy Christianity for over 2000 years. Their first goal is to erase God from our lives, which means attacking any God-given rights and charitable thoughts. A secondary goal is to control with absolute dictatorial powers all human endeavors.These elitist satanists – modernly mistakenly called socialists and collectivists – are made up of members of the Illuminati, 30+ degree FreeMasons, international bankers and a host of fellow travelers that have no morals and no scruples.
    Any individual or media source that promotes or supports globalism, socialism or outright Communism is – or should be – suspect and not trusted. Anyone supporting big government is in the same boat. Our Christian Constitutional Republic was founded on States’ rights and individual responsibility, and anything that goes against these principles is working toward our destruction and NOT “for the people” as so many demagogues claim.
    “By their words you shall know them!”

  • http://www.halfstaffamerica.com Rick

    Roger is Right on the money. Don’t expect a Washington solution because there isn’t one. Only a changing of who controls the people. The founders knew this and set it up so that sovereignty belonged not to a country or a state, but to the people (read the book “Nullification”). The constitution is meaningless because it is manipulated to fit agendas. The supreme court is merely just another branch of the parties and NOT grand overseers of the constitution. They are grand Manipulators of it. Thomas Jefferson realized after the enactment of the constitution that it fell short of any enforcement of accountability. The only power the people possess is in Unity of Spirit. Unfortunately, just as Stalin and many before and since have implemented the tactics of “divide and conquer”, we too have been controlled and manipulated the same way. Power grabbing control freaks must have great division among the people in order to maintain control. They fear great Unity of Spirit in an organized movement more than anything. Look at how the Tea Party movement got scattered out into so many different groups and divisions. Their goals are consistent, but the thrust of strong unity has been scattered and weakened. This was not by accident. We must remove the power of taxation from Washington. Without it, what do they have as tools to control and manipulate? It was meant to be at the State level for the most part anyway. Washington has adulterated the American system through the control of the tax system. Washington’s role as a central gov must be knocked down and redefined. The States must oversee, control, and set the budget of the central gov. The States will do all tax collection and then fund the fed with a percentage of their GDP. This is the only way to keep the fed on a short leash. This of course would need to be defined in greater detail, and yes there is still a lot of corruption and problems at the State level that would need to be addressed, but that would be an easier task for we the people to keep a handle on… Just The Way I see it!!

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Until I found your website, I was voicing my opinion on one other websites. The other was catering to clones of their own opinion, to the point where I found myself either saying what he wanted me to say or——. Your website is just what America needs to read. It enlightens people, it educates people. I share your view being a Libertarian but when the Libertarian Party adopted abortion and prostition into their party platform I for one had to depart. Bob the story is told about Alexander Solzyenyetsin, please excuse the spelling, the author of The Gulag Archipelago. He was contempating suicide while in prison and a jailer talked him out of it. That life was saved and is credited for bringing the Iron Curtain down. Your website touchs lives and you never know who. I’m into guns and wish I made different turn with my life.

    • DaveH

      American, you say — “when the Libertarian Party adopted abortion and prostition into their party platform”.
      It sounds as though you think they promote either. They don’t. They simply don’t believe that it is Government’s business to get involved in those issues. If your God doesn’t approve, let him decide the punishment.
      There aren’t many people who revere life like I do. For instance, I trap spiders and take them outside rather than killing them. The same goes for pesky kangaroo rats which get into my garage. Rather than killing them, I live-trap them and take them out into the distant woods. But I wouldn’t dream of imposing my life-choices on other people using Government as my bully boys. That’s the difference between Libertarians and others.

      From the Libertarian Party Platform:
      http://www.lp.org/platform
      “1.4 Abortion
      Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.”

    • Deerinwater

      The Christian American says; in summary statement “Your website touchs lives and you never know who. I’m into guns and wish I made different turn with my life.”

      “Hmm? What do you think about that Mr. Livingston? It sounds as if some liability has been thrown your way.

      I can’t get a read on such a statement.

  • speedle

    Bob, I am riding shotgun with you on most of your journey, but I think there are times when you get a little sleepy and veer off the road. You have identified the source of most of our troubles as a mysterious organized cadre of “rich families” as Malthusian despots. You could just as easily place the blame on the Benevolent order of Elks or the Free Masons or the British Royal family. Any of these choices would have been irrelevant other than the fact that they are “organized”, and that is something that these rich “Malthusian despots” are not. They are not any more organized than members of your local country club. Sure they wield some power and influence individually and to a lesser extent collectively (if they happen to agree on something). But I am sorry – they are not the source of the worlds’ problems.

    The conflict in the world is certainly between those that wish to be free (and are willing to accept the price and the rewards thereof), and those that wish to control (supported by useful idiots who are afraid to face life on their own). It’s really pretty simple and always has been. One can attach labels for one side or the other (Conservative/liberal, right/left, etc.), but it all boils down to people wanting to dominate other people through organized government vs. those who resist. The same things go on in all cultures (ones far removed from the influence of the “Bilderbergs”), and have since the beginning of society (long before the “Bilderbergs”.

    You have morons and head cases posting on this site (which is fine – that’s what free speech is all about) that misinterpret half the things you say, and take them to the extreme (like the lynch mobs in old western movies who get liquored up and want to take part in something). Then you have those who are just brick stupid that have been educated by the post sixties academia that still thinks it’s all about the evil capitalists and free market supporters vs. the Proletariat. They can only be pitied..

    But in the end what it all boils down to is not good vs. evil, but rather the freedom lovers vs. the controllers, and everything in between is simply a tactical battle to win the eventual war (one battle at a time). That means figuring ways to solve the problems of the federal reserve, bloated entitlements, national debt, and yes, how we should be dealing with foreign governments both trade wise and conflict wise. In any scenario, if the cause of individual freedom wins over statism, we can solve the rest of our problems.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      It’s been said, if you go through life leaving the world having contributed one better, person that’s a miracle in itself. God looks at man as an I not a we The “Devil made me do it” won’t cut it when people are face to face wih the living God.

  • Catherine J Frompovich

    Apparently I opened a hornet’s nest of thinkers of many persuasions and misconceptions with my article, My Conscience Speaks. Why are some calling for my not writing for PLD? Aren’t you doing the very same thing you are supposed to be opposed, e.g., denying me my First Amendment rights? Are you really concerned about personal liberties? I suggest an examination of conscience.
    However, ALL ought to consider seriously what’s really going on within geopolitical circles, especially in Paraguay, as discussed in the article in the link below. The U.S. news media apparently IGNORES such stories and, in my opinion, thereby contribute to the loss of personal freedoms in our country and, in essence, ‘hands them over’ to both corporations and big government, as Mr. Livingston discussed. It seems Bob Livingston and I are on the same page, but many readers, as far as I can determine, may be in lala land when it comes to sorting out the apparent facts of what’s really going on. http://www.naturalnews.com/036486_Monsanto_Paraguay_impeachment.html

    • MAP

      I enjoyed your article. I thought it very well thought-out and well delivered. You thoughts on the Federal take-over of schools was right-on and matches an article by a researcher at Modern Age. It destroyed entire communities, especially black communities. Keep up the good work!

      • Catherine J Frompovich

        Thank you, MAP. For those who are so concerned about my not voting in the 2008 elections, or others who exercised their constitutional right not to vote–voting is not mandated by law in the USA as it is in Australia. Perhaps PLD readers ought to know, realize, and ‘process’ within their consciences the fact that millions in the conservative camp also did not vote in 2008!

        Ralph Reed, a conservative darling, says “Some 17 million Evangelicals failed to vote in 2008 when Democrat Barack Obama beat the GOP’s John McCain — and now the fight is on to get them there this November, Faith and Freedom Coalition founder Ralph Reed says.” http://freedomismist.blogspot.com/2012/06/ralph-reed-17-million-evangelical-votes.html

        PLD readers, what say you about that? Didn’t a conservative faction exercise their right to not vote? From what I hear, numerous people also are talking about doing that very same thing in 2012–not voting. Why? Because, as Mr. Livingston astutely pointed out, both parties are the same TweedleDee and TweedleDum! That’s something, in my opinion, that party loyalties and politics–both Republicans and Democrats–have yet to wake up to, smell the coffee about, and do something to correct. In the meantime, we keep losing our God-given rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” [Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776]
        “Please don’t interfere with mine,” is what everyone should be insisting, yet we don’t!

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      As the Founders were writing the constitution, they were interpreting the words from a moral stand point. They never imagined it would be interpreted anyother way. That goes for the first amendment. We have Legalism, Liberty and License. Liberty can only be had by a moral person, it’s a gift of God, but we’re giving license to our liberties and our interpertations to the extent anything goes. As we do Legalism is creeping into our lives, Laws, Laws and more Laws. God has his creation covered in any way you can think of.

  • Steve

    If the ‘liberal media” made a statement such as yours “Are you paid by the gold sellers to push gold? No” it seems you would likely call them out for being disingenuous. You are in fact paid by the gold sellers to push gold. Your stance is very likely how you feel and you would likely do it even if you didn’t get paid, but you do get paid for and because of it. I don’t see that as a bad thing. Lots of businesses pay people who have a public voice that supports their business. You need money to live and run the site, they need to advertise for sales and you both seem to believe in the product. The answer to the above question is clearly a yes. The answer to the implied question “Do you promote gold because you are paid by the gold sellers?” I’m guessing would be “no” you do it because you believe in the product and they advertise here because you are of a like mind.

  • Hey you

    You’re correct, Roger. We do the same thing and expect different results. I think that there’s a classification for that concept.

    Seems that we are hoping that voting will provide an escape for the excesses of democracy (which are proven to be, over time, disastrous). It just won’t happen.

  • Louis Lemieux

    We do have a democratic government, albeit not a perfect one; and, those who say we don’t have a democratic government and still exercise their right to vote are people with enigmatic thought processes.

    • Kate8

      Louis – Democracies are forerunners to tyrannies.

      We were given a Republic. Where have you been?

      • Vicki

        He obviously has not watched

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY :)

      • Louis Lemieux

        “Democracy is a political system based upon the concept of ‘rule by the people’, as referring to people categorized as citizens of a society, who have been designated the right to hold some form of political power. Two major types of democracy are direct democracy and representative democracy….
        Democracy is often confused with the republic form of government. In some definitions of ‘republic,’ a republic is a form of democracy. Other definitions make ‘republic’ a separate, unrelated term. Equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times. These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. For example, in a representative democracy, every vote has equal weight, no unreasonable restrictions can apply to anyone seeking to become a representative, and the freedom of
        its citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution.“–Wikipedia

        The reason people vote is because they feel they have some power of decision on the kind of country they want. Why do you vote? If you don’t vote and you want things to change, your only option would be violence.

      • Vicki

        “If you don’t vote and you want things to change, your only option would be violence.”

        False. 4 boxes have we. None are violence. One is effective at resisting violence. Thousands of years of history to prove the case.

        1 – Soapbox (what we are doing here is an example)
        2 – Ballot box (we remove it from the set for a moment to satisfy the term ” didn’t vote”
        3 – Jury box (Jury Nullification http://www.FIJA.org)
        4 – Ammo box

        Liberals and such will immediately claim that number 4 is violence despite my warning above. They would be in error. The ammo box gives us the power to say NO to those who would force us to do their bidding. Many thousands of years of history is ample proof.
        Citizens have tools of defense, Slaves depend on their masters for defense. It’s really that simple.

  • roger gunderson

    Most people agree that our country is headed in the wrong direction, but most people don’t actually know what to do about it. We keep doing the same thing year after year hoping for change- but samo-samo. Voting democrat or republican matters little.

    • JeffH

      roger, it’s more a case of some people not having the guts to take a stand and take the risks needed to cause change…ie, afraid to risk and possibly lose everything despite the knowledge that their financial well being, freedoms and liberties are at risk now as well as for future generations.

  • Tom Cook

    Bob, sometimes your mistrust of medicine becomes a little scammy and weirdo wiccan. I also am suspicious of immunization since there was no autism and almost no asthma when I was a kid; however, I remember worrying about getting polio and some kids disappeared from school and now polio is almost unheard of. I believe that all “medicine” is toxic and I do not take any although my personal physician thinks I should be on metformin like all older adults. Psychiatry is almost totally bogus–like chiropractic and most “alternative” medicine which is just charlatanry. Queers are sick. There are some obvious truths. The fact is we are not sicker–we are weller and getting bigger and stronger and faster and smarter secondary to great medicine and nutrition. Medicine is just like law and morality and everything except religion which is absolutely bogus, (I refer you to George Carliln: “Religion is (expletive deleted)” everything is relative. There is only one unalterable truth: liberals are douchebags.

    • DaveH

      Polio is now unheard of? I think not:
      http://www.wellwithin1.com/pol_all.htm

      • DaveH

        Something else to think about:
        http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm

      • Catherine J Frompovich

        Polio is ‘alive’ and thriving due to and from polio vaccines being given to children in developing countries, e.g., Nigeria, India, Pakistan, etc. I will not supply links, as I want readers to do some homework and check out that to prove me ‘wrong’. You will be utterly amazed at what you discover. What you really don’t know, really will hurt your sense of well being, as ignorance sometimes really can be bliss.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Tom Cook,

      You write: “Bob, sometimes your mistrust of medicine becomes a little scammy and weirdo wiccan.” You are brainwashed by conventional wisdom.

      You write: “I also am suspicious of immunization since there was no autism and almost no asthma when I was a kid;…” Rightfully so, but… see above.

      You write: “however, I remember worrying about getting polio and some kids disappeared from school and now polio is almost unheard of.” See my response to Vigilant above.

      You write: “The fact is we are not sicker–we are weller and getting bigger and stronger and faster and smarter secondary to great medicine and nutrition.” http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/28/full-belly-starvation/
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

      You write: “religion which is absolutely bogus” Organized religion, yes. First Century Christianity, NO.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://www.therighttofightback.com Erwin

    I agree on many points and especially that the US is not a real democracy, on the other hand there is no country on this planet that is a real democracy. They all sell the same product, but they change the packaging.. What about real democracy or a direct democracy ? (with a digital identity card and the internet, real democracy is possible on a lot of topics, let the people vote and decide, not the parties.
    And I am sure that vaccination was invented by a student of the British surgeon John Hunter in the 18 th century (small pox vaccine), that is one century before Pasteur.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Hunter went into historical obscurity but we keep the memory of Pasteur alive.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      There is no such thing as “real” democracy or direct democracy. As soon as ideological movements come into existence they are redirected by persons to benefit themselves power and perks.

      • http://twitter.com/therighttofight macktheknife (@therighttofight)

        I sadly must agree with your comment. On the other hand we could debate the meaning of “real democracy” and jump into a Wittgensteinian discussion.

    • Vicki

      A “real” democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Not the sort of government you would want if you were not a wolf.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY (start about 4:55)

      • http://twitter.com/therighttofight macktheknife (@therighttofight)

        Ok, I watched the video and I understand your point and my point is that I do not like the idea of democracy myself, but I wanted to touch the subject, because there is a tendency to bring “democracy” to the world, they do not say: “we bring you a Republic”, maybe they want to say just that … or they say one thing and mean another.
        Erwin.
        (I used another login, because I am on another computer).

      • DaveH

        Mack,
        Our leaders are NOT trying to bring Democracy to the world. They are trying to bring Democracy to our country by repeatedly implying that it’s a good thing at the same time as they are really just meddling in other countries’ affairs for the good of the Crony Capitalists. With Democracy, there is no protection for the minority from the majority. Our Founders knew that and they tried to protect us, but the reality of life is that Leaders are always pushing for more Power and they usually succeed because the average person just isn’t up to the task of staying informed and vigilant. The Leaders and their Cronies have won up to now, and I seriously doubt that we can wake up enough citizens to stop them.
        Also, it is much easier for media to brainwash a raw majority of people than it is to brainwash enough people to subvert a Republic.

      • Vicki

        macktheknife. As the video points out, people mislead / are misled into believing that America is a democracy. This is done to weaken and confuse. As explained in the Video The Roman Empire was for a time a Republic and then fell into a Democracy when then collapsed into an oligarchy. Our founding fathers had many times stated the dangers of democracy.

        For those who would subvert the Republic and its built in safeguards what better way than to convince people over time that we are a democracy. Since a democracy always collapses into an oligarchy what better way to take over a republic if you don’t want to do it with war.

      • macgyver1948

        Vicki… The Roman Empire also evolved into something for their survival that is still pretty big today. Different name but similar clothing and for centuries they had very much the same old attitude.

        Yes, the Founders were not so much into a pure Democracy which is why they created a representative republic with Democracy over tones. They were also very fearful of Corporations and they said so with a vengeance and put into place protections for us which were whittled away over time but the corporations through the politicians they purchased. They also said “We The People” should take the government back if we do not like how it evolves. Legally it is our Government and not the other way around.

        Big Corporate money in government is what has been a major factor when it comes to destroying America. The Founders knew and said so in so many ways…

        For example: “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” – Thomas Jefferson

        I just love that quote, :-) ))

  • FreedomFighter

    Socialism and Communism have a long history of failure.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Deerinwater

      In that same vain , Capitalism hasn’t been exactly a huge success!

      • Vicki

        Other than Ancient Rome and Modern United States (Circa 1790-1999)

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY (go to about 8:20 in the video to find the discussion of Rome)

        And we should probably remember Hong Kong before it was taken back. China might well be moving toward Capitalism now too even as the US continues to run away from it.

      • http://www.CampMatecumbeVeterans.com Manny Gutierrez

        Capitalism has NOT been a success? C’mon! Wake up and stop defending socialism!

      • Deerinwater

        I see little need to defend anything really, ~ save for me and mine. I don’t play the “labels game” and more inclined to look for contend that I find ~ “agreeable”. Finding little interest in belonging to any club that would consider me as a member.

        Where your glory would be to die defending the Almighty in some drunken rage of blinded ego. ~ and just one reason why I love women so, they are survivors and don’t fall on their own sword over mindless drivel or anything to be more accurate but most willing to push matters to the breaking point.

      • cawmun cents

        Name another form of governance by which so many things have been invented.
        Not merely individual things.But hundreds and thousands of things.
        The truth is that you cannot because records in non-capitalistic societies are not often kept of who invented what.Or there are disputes as to who invented what.
        Your first inclination will be to provide me with an example of that in our nation…..not necessary,I am fully aware of these postulations and the growing disdain by which capitalism is held in by the educational elites.
        But you will still not be able to fully answer my question,as anything you might post will come from a dubious source,or be pasted from some place you think has relevant information.Considering that many governments where things were invented have changed between now and the time those things were invented,including our own.
        -CC.

      • DaveH

        We don’t have Capitalism, Deer. We have a mix of Capitalism and Socialism with the percentage of Socialism growing by the year. We did have some brief periods in our history where Government was small and stayed mostly out of the economy and our country was very successful. And though there was Crony Capitalism, in the late 1800s we had a mostly free economy, and the real rate of income growth among Mainstreet Americans was the greatest it has ever been in the US. For more info, read the book “A History of Money and Banking in the US” that I linked to above.
        How can you tell us Capitalism isn’t a success, Deer, without offering up some concrete examples of Capitalism’s failures where Capitalism really was practiced?
        I can give you plenty of cases where Socialism has proven to be a failure — North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China for starters. Any non-zealot can see from the following rankings, based on Economic Freedom, that the Bigger Government gets, the smaller the economy gets:
        http://heritage.org/index/ranking

      • Deerinwater

        I understand that David, ~ but none the less ~ that is what “they- We” are calling it. “Capitalism “. ~ It’s not usual to be fooled by cheap imitations. Bait and switch can be applied to anything some~ “one” wishes to sell.

        Look at Romney today ! what is he selling? The cure? while the disease is really what he offers?

      • Deerinwater

        Vicky say; “And we should probably remember Hong Kong before it was taken back. China might well be moving toward Capitalism now too even as the US continues to run away from it.”

        Rising waters floats all boats Vicky,

        I enjoyed Hong Kong, along with another investor , we introduced the first American fast food franchise to the Chinese back in 78. Lots of red tape and were very well received by a warm people.

        I’m really not certain of what everyone’s notions of Capitalism is. ~ I can’t help but think some of you are under some text book illusion.

        First you master something and then you do ~ whatever it is ~ that you have to do to stay in the game. Sometimes victory looks like defeat and sometimes defeat looks like victory and it’s not for the weak of heart or lacking of conviction.

        Not everyone has it in them to be a venture Capitalist. It was never intended to be so, it’s a blessed curse really. All you are actually doing is generating revenue that is shared by many by filling a need or desire and you are the last person to get paid unless you are lying, cheating and stealing.

        Much like an Ant ! You are moving “something” from point “A” to point “B” for an overriding purpose in the attempt to get beyond the hunter/gather stage.

      • Deerinwater

        cawmun cents says:
        July 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm
        “Name another form of governance by which so many things have been invented.”

        Point taken, but as I said, I refuse to be a part of some “labels game” . You can call it whatever you wish as long as it works to some degree. There is rarely a true “isms” but a mixture of many while it seems we are attempting to speak in absolutes while the labels fails to identify actual content.

        Mexico is a Republic for Christ sakes, ~ and that seems to be where we are headed. While I enjoyed life in Mexico until which time social order was disturbed by venture capitalist seeking the domination of markets. I would not subscribe that it is in most Americans best interest to follow suit.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater says several interesting things in just this little indentation of the bigger thread.

        “I don’t play the “labels game”
        “Much like an Ant ! You are moving “something” from point “A” to point “B” ”
        “Not everyone has it in them to be a venture Capitalist. It was never intended to be so, it’s a blessed curse really. ”
        “While I enjoyed life in Mexico until which time social order was disturbed by venture capitalist seeking the domination of market”
        “Point taken, but as I said, I refuse to be a part of some “labels game” ”

        So Deer. Do you or do you not play the “labels game”?

        Words ARE labels. Well more precisely Labels are (usually) adjectives or nouns (note I just labeled a label :) ) but even verbs have been used for the function of “label”.
        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/label

        3C looks to be the closest to how you might mean the phrase “label game” to be.

        c : a descriptive or identifying word or phrase

        You even gave us a bit of your interpretation of the meaning of some of those labels. Then at least for the label “venture capitalist” you gave us a rather interesting 2 of the many facets of it. (I only get 1 link per post so go to the dictionary for the definition of “venture capitalist” to compare to the facets given by Deer)

        Note for instance that the label “label” came with 5 main definitions so sometimes you have to use context as I did with “label” to decide which definition is intended.

        There are other labels that are not words.

        Here is one —> :)

        Typically it is called an icon. It is a label and provides a set of information just as a word label does. To communicate with other people you pretty much HAVE to play the “label game”. If you feel that someone has miss labeled something then look up the definition and then see if they are using the word correctly.

        Don’t fall into the trap of trying to not play the “label game” as that is a label used to try and suppress communication between people. Just like the label “racist” is used currently by people to suppress communication about the mis-adventures of some of our (here comes another label :) ) more infamous LEADERS (/wave Eric H).

      • Deerinwater

        Point taken, while “label” are not just words, but “nouns and pronouns”, names of specific “things” . ~ When we adulterate and misuse words, communication is indeed lost.

        To me, words are paint and a blank page canvass. But enough of that!

        Pro-life can’t be pro-life and support the death penalty. That is mislabeling.

        A conservative administration that commits Americans to spending 7 Trillion dollars without offering forecasted returns is not a Conservative administration. That is mislabeling.

        The original Tea Party had more then one purpose while their true intention not openly discussed. The call was “taxation without representation” while the conflict and intent ran much deeper. That was mislabeling.

        Today’s Tea Party does much the same, ~ with claims of defending the Constitution and personal liberties while attempting to install their notions of God into our government and restrict personal freedoms, that is mislabeling.

        The frontal approach didn’t work out so well, so they are now using the side door.

      • Deerinwater

        Point taken Vicky, Perhaps I should have said, ~ I don’t attempt to play some game of mislabeling to argue a point of contention.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater says:
        “Point taken Vicky, Perhaps I should have said, ~ I don’t attempt to play some game of mislabeling to argue a point of contention.”

        Agreed. And mislabeling is rather a key point in that video I keep posting. The left/right political spectrum. They go into detail about what is mis-labeled and sometimes why.

        Here it is again so other readers don’t have to search for it.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

  • nc

    Mr. Livingston, what is more important to a “Christian” than the second coming of Christ? Yet so many devout Christians have predicted it “from the Bible” and it didn’t happen that now when a “Christian” annouces it is about to “happen” EVEN most other Chirstians yawn and say Yeah, Right! False alarms are a fact! Paranoid humans are a fact.
    Democrat-Republican “paradgim” is reality. We have had one or the other since 1860 and we will have one or the other in 2013. The fact that you can point out flaws in our government does not mean that it hasn’t provided a system of protection for it citizens second to none in the world.Have you checked to see just how many people in this country have assets that makes them considered ‘wealthy”. The number grows every year and the fact that your views on how to handle that have never had a prevalent place in our leadership might mean you should inspect the necesssity of some of your basic beliefs.
    As an adult just how long do you think it would take for your system to be totally implemented to “govern” our economic system in a manner you think it should be?? 4-8 years or longer? Would it isolate us from the world economy forever? Must we go back to the 1800s to start over?What percent of alleged conspiracies are proved in fact?

    • MAP

      NC, I will break a personal vow and respond to your post. Your post, like all your posts, merely attempts to refute and make nonsense of what is stated. You state, “our government … provided a system of protection for it citizens second to none in the world”. Do you truly believe this to be an accurate statement at the present time? If so, your opinion, I wager, is becoming a minority opinion. You have stated repeatedly that there is no tyranny at the present time in America, a statement that, I believe, a majority of Americans would dismiss as nonsense. But you are a liberal and a Democrat, which is two ways of calling you a statist. When your ‘group’ imposes an agenda on the opposing majority, you don’t recognize this as tyranny, but as progress. Therefore, I state you are thoroughly incapable of recognizing tyranny when it’s present. That is, you are by ideology unfit to determine what is , or is not, tyranny. Further, I believe you are a paid plant, a voice for the establishment. Your purpose here is to reinforce the imaginary world that masquerades as the world of reality. Your job is pure propaganda. In Orwell’s Animal Farm, you are one of the pigs. I rarely read your posts, as your posts are always a repeat of what comes out of Washington.

      • JeffH

        Ya think?

      • nc

        Map, have you checked the definition of tyranny! Is there anything more tyrannical than a government telling an adult citizen how they must subject there reproductive systems to the will of the goverment? An adult who has suffered the pains of life and may or may not be a parent of others must surrender that position to a hand full of brainless cells? Come to think of it that describes the people who would push for the control of anothers body and mental well being! The brainless cells of the conservative thinkers!!
        Like so many of the “absolute truths” you know, your “knowing” that I am a paid propagandist for ANYONE is pure bulls**t! I am a retired old man who came upon this site purely by accident when I received an e-mail because I had entered another conservative site to see what the ‘other side’ was saying! You know? Education through research! My bad! Education is not real big on your side of the ball! Conspiracies are!
        I have read my country’s history! I know something of the dark days of the Civil War and how we survived and GREW. I know something of the dark days of th depression of the 1930s and how we survived them and GREW. I know something of the other “low points” of our history and how we survived them and GREW. Your problem is that your babble of “true conservative” politics HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE LEADERSHIP THAT PROVIDED THAT SURVIVAL AND GROWTH! IT WAS A FORWARD LOOKING PROGRESSIVE APPROACH THAT MADE US A GREAT NATION! WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUGGEST A NATION THAT HAS DONE IT BETTER????

      • MAP

        Well, then NC, I suppose I should apologize. If I were you, I would return those books and get my money back. Liberalism is by nature oppressive. And since you are a liberal, believing in the pseudo-god ‘progress’, you are not fit to judge what is, or is not, tyranny. I am a believer in limited government. I don’t look at it as a sword to slay the infidel and push forward a secular crusade. I don’t believe government is a device to make-over the world into what you believe it should be. I don’t believe in the phony ethical or moral basis behind political correctness. These things are the opposite of liberty. These are examples of tyranny.

      • Vicki

        NC writes:
        “s there anything more tyrannical than a government telling an adult citizen how they must subject there reproductive systems to the will of the goverment? An adult who has suffered the pains of life and may or may not be a parent of others must surrender that position to a hand full of brainless cells?”

        It would appear you might be talking about abortion rather than the bureaucrats that will be making health care decisions under obamaCare.

      • Wil

        NC-Would you deny that that pushing a depopulation agenda by brainwashing the gullible into believing in the genocide of millions of innocents as a matter of “choice” is,itself,tyranny? Not to mention that the original racial eugenics agenda is still in play. Yes,there is a reason that over 90% of planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods.

    • DaveH

      NC says — “Must we go back to the 1800s to start over?”.
      No, we must not. We can start right now in the 2000s to regain the kind of Freedom that our educated Founders knew to be best for Mainstream Americans.
      I suspect that NC meant that statement to refer to Capitalism (Free Markets) to be a primitive condition. But in fact, Despotism is the primitive condition that has manifested in most societies throughout history. Freedom was a relatively rare event in history, and the kind of Freedom that our wise Founders established was arguably unique in history.
      NC argues that Government is responsible for our prosperity but gives no logical reason whatever for that belief. His statement is akin to attributing a rich man’s success to the leg he lost in war. We have prospered in spite of Big Government, not because of Big Government. And we would have prospered much more without Big Government draining our Financial Resources and inhibiting our productivity with needless myriad regulations.

    • cawmun cents

      Apparently n c either has not read scripture concerning the second coming,or chooses to ignore it.The second coming is unkown by any but God(the Father),so if you hear someone preaching that they know when that day will be,they are an(heretic).That is a simple rule we as Christians go by.Knowing the day that Christ will return would be tantamount to having free liscense to do as you pleased.For then you would know that quickly thereafter you could repent and be absolved of sin accrued after salvation.We are to remain holy and just though none of us will achive that in entirety,until Christ’s return.
      Of course if you do not know the Holy Spirit,this all seems like non-sense to you anyway,but I thought it bore stating,ere you think yourself wise and your question unanswerable.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

  • Vigilant

    Mr. Livingston says, “The vaccine myth is founded on the false germ theory. Vaccines are dangerous and are promoted by the elites for population control.”

    Perhaps you can explain how the polio and smallpox vaccines eugenically killed off millions. I, for one, am damned glad that I was administered those vaccines.

    • James Heronime

      You were vaccinated during a time where it was believed that our population would be a sustaining tax base to keep our country thriving and the work force needed a little help from 3rd world diseases. As it turned out, the compassionate liberals, unions, and racial diversity proponents pushed heavy amounts of welfare to the minorities so they would not require employment. Furthermore, illegal immigration is overlooked so that the petty laborers can be exploited and population control of whites are increased by moving huge numbers to the suburbs forcing white flight. This turns economic zones into ghost towns and the remaining population sits on welfare, the rest of the white population gets bred out. The demands for good paying white collar jobs have decreased, and welfare increased. Population has gone to urban sprawl and now, good vaccines are no longer needed. The slave population is increasing and the taxpayers have diminished so now it is time to do away with social security, medicare and other lat in life programs to polish off the baby boomers. All that remains are your kids and with the education they sustained, they will be easy picking when the next famine comes along and the Espanification of the US is complete……Silly?……I wish!

    • DaveH

      I believe vaccination resulted in a chronic illness that has plagued me throughout my life. I have no proof for such statement, but then neither do the vaccine administrators have any proof for their claims. Read this please:
      http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=534

      • DaveH
      • Kate8

        DaveH – I was a very healty young child (my dad grew all of our own food, and we got raw milk from a neighbor) until I was 6 years old. That was when they came to my school with the polio vaccine, after which I became very ill.

        I contracted pheumonia and rheumatic fever. They said it was a “bad batch” of vaccine. Other kids got sick, too, in varying degrees. I was sick off and on for the rest of my childhood.

        In my 30′s I began experiencing extreme, inexplicable muscle weakness, that would recur and be so debilitating that I could scarcely walk, often times being confined to bed. I was used to working out at the gym, so I should have been in good shape. This went on for many years, causing me terrible distress because I had to work. I’d come home and collapse on the sofa for the everning, and I’d have to spend a full day every weekend in bed to be able to get through the next week. And this was during my good days.

        I finally found an alternative European doctor who said it was vaccine induced, polio to be specific, and that he’d seen it many times. I had not told him about my vaccine history as, at the time, I didn’t even consider it important.

        He treated me and the muscle weakness went away, and has never come back.

        I wish I had known this when my children were born. I could have saved them similar health ravages due to vaccinations. Even my grandson suffers from the effects, even though he only had two rounds of them before his mom learned the truth. The newborn hep B vaccine almost did him in at the time of his birth.

      • Mike in MI

        DaveH – About that vaccine related injury and it’s problems.
        There are several courses of action to take to clear it. It is not going to happen all at once. The toxins are too dangerous to break out into solution in the blood and lymph fluids all at one time.
        Find a chelating clinic. There s one in Grand Rapids, MI called “The Born Clinic” started by a Dr. Born. It is on 52nd Street in the south end of town. They do good work and I have referred several people to them with good results. Of course it depends on what the nature of the injurious substance is. But if you’re interested in possibly ridding yourself of the trouble have them check you out. Start there.
        If you want more or other kinds of help or information click on a “Reply” to me, anytime. There’s lots more. Clear the toxin, clear the trouble, dysfunction, pain, whatever. It is important that your nervous system can work at optimum. Find a good chiropractor…one who has a way to let your brain tell him (by some sort of pretest. not x-rays) what your brain needs to have him do for it. Then, he should have a way ( again, without x-rays) to prove by test that he accomplished what your brain needed him to accomplish. Three adjustments at most. None of this worthless (worse than worthless) pounding on everything from stern to stem just to hear it “pop” – that means nothing andprobably isn’t a negative concern to the brain. Until they pop it, then it is a concern.
        I pray for you.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Mike.

      • Kate8

        DaveH – As Mike said, chelation is really good for many things, and there are more ways of doing it now than in the past, when it was pretty much by IV.

        There are also some good homeopathic nosode treatments which work well to clear vaccine effects…that is mostly the route I went. Unfortunately, the doctor I worked with was killed, but there are others around. These days there are so many methods of vibrational therapies being employed that are very effective.

        My elderly sister did use chelation IV to recover from the ravages of vaccine poisoning, and it helped her tremendously. Mostly this helps clean out heavy metals, and we know that vaccines contain mercury. One too many flu shots did her in, and she nearly didn’t come out of it. She is now better than before, and she is in her 70s.

        Eating cilantro is good for eliminating mercury from the body. Also, you could get some zeolite, or even diatomaceous earth…both are fairly inexpensive, and remove heavy metals and toxic chemicals, and zeolite even removes radiation. These things are negatively charged particles, and they attract and bind the positively charged metals and toxic chemicals, carrying them safely out through the digestive tract.

        I wish you well in this endeavor, DaveH.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Kate.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston
      • Mike in MI

        Vig –
        You may be glad for the vaccine administration , but when we were going through the shot lines in U.S. Navy boot camp I saw that stuff kill some of my fellow boots and make many others very sick. Some it made really squirreley and others had to go to hospital.
        That crap is deadly. My own son had a terrible reaction and very high fever. I prayed all night for him and finally the fever broke. Today he’s 31 years old and no evident damage. God is able and faithful.
        Father built our body with a hugely powerful and flexible immune system. It is now known that many of those vaccines (especially when given to new borns before six months (( when the first t-cells mature)) cause chronic immune system and brain damage. Hurt one you hurt the other. Their functions are so close. Science wouldn’t even know what to measure so how would any of them know if something were wrong or not (unless it shows up very obviously). They’d deny and dispute it on “expert” grounds anyway.
        No, people need to learn how to feed themselves to keep their defensive systems in top order. People who do that don’t get sick. I don’t.
        Be careful what you let medics do. They make you sick just so they can treat you. $$$ Medical abuse is a fact in this country. That is why the costs are exploding so fast , but health isn’t expensive – chronic disease is. They’ve got lots of ways to make folks sick and fill the human bags with poisonous people potions from infancy to the final embalming project.
        ObamaCare will eventually cut you off from any natural options and tell the medics what they must do to you. Don’t expect good.
        We’re broke and the payments on the interest of the national debt are getting close to the national GDP. If that doesn’t alarm anyone you’ll die when reality hits you up side the head with a rifle butt or brass knuckles..

  • http://survivingurbancrisis.wordpress.com Silas Longshot

    Well, Bob, I agree on several issues. ‘Democracy’, we are indeed NOT such a thing, but progressives for many decades have pushed that false idea. Remember that line in the pledge ‘and to the Republic for which it stands’.

    Gold and silver, spot on, the fiat currency of the fed can become worthless overnight, just like ‘dot.com’ stocks. We are teetering on the edge now, if the EU debacle finally collapses, we too will be dragged under. If we don’t sink our own boat first.

    Foriegn policy, we have troops in pretty much every nation on the planet. Why? Are we the world police? What thanks do we get? muslim terrorists, peeved because we left some footprints in their sand. Bring our troops home, defend OUR borders. If other nations want our ‘protection’ they can buy it from us. ‘Rent a cop, worldwide’

    Elietes do in fact control everything. Like the current elections, the eliete have chosen Romney and destroyed the rest in the public eye. Elections are like cutting off the left or right hand of the Frankenstein monster and replacing it with a new hand labled democrat or republican, but never getting to the head of the beast.

    Medicine, particularly big pharma, follow the money to find the cause. Why do people think there’s so much ‘negative’ publicitiy and actual harassment against ‘naturopaths’, vitamins, alternataive medicine? Harmful to people? No, but there’s no profit for the industry. If there’s vitamins, minerals or other supplements that would do the job, that cost pennies or isn’t patentable, then that kind of competition must be stomped out.

    Surviving urban crisis.

  • Bill

    Right on, Bob
    Keep up the good work

  • dan

    Bob : imagine how the rubes that believe in the CONservatve-federalist / liberal-progressive dialectic would melt down if you explained the difference between
    legal and lawful or common versus admiralty law…..but small steps before walking.

  • Warrior
  • Publius

    What is your theory on race? Religion???

    • Kate8

      Publiua – I assume you are addressing Mr. Livingston. I also believe that is an inane question, given his stance of things in general.

      So, Mr. Publius, why don’t you tell us YOUR “theory” on race and religion? I’d love to hear it.

      • Mike in MI

        K8ey-y-y-y – Don’t be that way. If you hurt his feelings he’ll cry and run off yipping like one of those six inch high grizzlies women stick in their carpet (reusable, be green) bags.
        Can’t you just hear the snarl in his opening salvo across our bow? But, you send one right back down his smokestack. Love it; good shot, kiddo.

  • Vigilannie

    Thank you!! I only wish it hadn’t taken me so long to wake up to these facts!! I drank the Republican kool aide for far to long!! Ron Paul 2012!

    • James Heronime

      Right On Vig!

      • Deerinwater

        That’s good to hear, The GOP has deferred blame down to a science and serves it up 24/7

  • MAP

    The left/right paradigm is a hoax as it relates to our two party system. Both parties are the puppets for the ruling elite and, therefore, pursue only one ideology. Mr. Livingston, you state, correctly, that these ruling elite are socialists. This shows that, outside the two party system, those that hold the reins of total power are leftists. One might ask why this is the case, but it is easily understood. One can not get very far in the usurpation of power if they rely strictly upon tradition, customs and history. These things are concrete and not easily avoided or side-stepped. No, for total control one must seize control of everything. This is easily accomplished if the foundation of belief is something chimerical, made up on the spot to justify anything. Even if such explanations defy human nature and common sense, a plethora of ‘reasonings’ can be pulled up from the thin air of imagination, invented to conceal the actual motive – insatiable greed and absolute power. By such methods, statism can be made a pseudo-religion. And those intoxicated by this new religion will bow down and worship the state as a god. It was through just such techniques that the most oppressive governments in the history of the world, the USSR and Red China to name but two, were created. Here human life held no value whatsoever. The feudal system was gentle in comparison to what the ruling elite plan for us.

    • Kate8

      MAP – Very well stated! I tried to express something similar above, and you said it so clearly and with far fewer words!

      Good job. Great post.

      • JeffH

        I felt both of you did a fine job! :)

      • MAP

        Kate8, thank you for the kind words.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 and MAP – I liked them, too. Well done…with one caveat –
        Statism is not a pseudo-religion. It is a full fledged bow down and surrender all…everything…like Mr. Livingston indicated above there is the requirement for blood sacrifice in their private inner sanctum. The Druids were real good at it. As were many of the Hebrews’ neighborhood Canaanite “sweeties”. Of course in this hemisphere one could observe the Maya and Aztec pagans and others where the most hideous tortures were enjoyed by the celebrants…not the least of which has always been the Devil, his entourage and cohorts.
        Today, it’s the Elites in their private bunkers and guarded mountain hideaways. But they want with a depth of desire and great fervor to be able to control all so they can move out into the open to the glory of their participant god…using their enemies as the focus of their vicious, animalistic blood-lust.
        Hebrews, Christians, political conservatives and the nation’s devoted defenders will go under the knife first in about that order – - – unless somebody takes this stuff seriously and stands with and on the Word of God which is the ONLY truly effective weapon and defense. Like it says in Ephesians 6 and other places “We wrestle not against Flesh and Blood,” ; “the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (in the senses , physical realm). The only text for wining the spiritual contest is the Bible, not General Tzu.

        There probably isn’t much time on the calendar, left. Right?

        It’s an individual learning process and walk. God ain’t gonna do it for you.

      • Kate8

        Mike – Yep, and yep. I’ve posted on the subject a few times, myself.

        And no, God doesn’t do it for you… He does it THROUGH you.

    • Robert Rashbrooke

      MAP,

      Do you see a difference between the governments of the USSR, North Korea, Germany, Argentina et al, and our own government, who has very possibly lied to we the people on EVERY occasion when it has decided to go to war against another nation. Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tomkin, Grenada, Panama, Iraq all serve as examples of this duplicity in that the government wanted the population to believe that the cause was JUST when in fact it was always for the economic advantage of the US that the decision was made. The only time it was not dupicitous, Somalia, was quickly curtailed when it became evident that there was nothing to gain by continuing the invasion, despite it having been started on “humanitarian” grounds.

  • GALT

    The “answers” only raise more questions, Mr. Livingston……

    Your take on the role of “coinage”, gold and silver and copper, is precisely contrary to
    the available evidence……….it was what made the wars possible, which means you need to expand your reading to include Debt: The First 5000 Years, a.s.a.p.

    1000 years is a bit long for these elite’s to have had such control, so you need to shorten
    your time frame…….it is typically eurocentric in it’s bias, and europe is essentially irrelevant to world history, prior to 1500……….or later……..

    While it may have been true that “government” had it’s own agenda briefly, in the United States……..today, they are simply the “servants” to multi-nationals, who worship at the altar of capitalism, the final failure of “economics”…………

    Then there is that pesky little constitutional question: Where are the ( common ) law
    and equity courts?

    You got Bechamp right, so maybe you ought to expand on what you know………The Persecution of Gaston Naisson’s is an interesting volume……..if you can find it.

    Now I know that this will bring down the wrath of, actually I have no clue what to call
    those “waiting for the call”………..but since this is directed at you…….I leave you with:

    Best Wishes ( on your wishful thinking and continued misdirection )

    • speedle

      Galt says, “Xtrusom, Opsufyellswojlcmnowo@*(_+##$%), See?

    • DaveH

      For those who want to learn some truth. Gold money has historically constrained all despots and crooked financiers. That’s why they’ve worked so hard to rid themselves of such monetary constraints. Read these two books to learn some reality:
      http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    • DaveH

      And for those who want to learn why Capitalism (Free Markets, NOT Crony Capitalism) works, read this:
      http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

      • GALT

        Please note the classic debate style…….von mises links are evidence while the list of books above is NOT……….btw how come you don’t have a von mises link for the common law and equity court question?

        How come you’re still paying all those unconstitutional taxes when you can stop at any time?

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

    • GALT

      Unfortunately REALITY requires evidence…..

      You may alter this lack of understanding at any time……..

      The Social Conquest of Earth
      Debt: The First 5000 Years.
      Power Inc.
      Extreme Money
      The Great Divergence
      Economic’s Unmasked
      Too Much Magic

      Just as you resist the implications of the simple question Where are the common law and equity courts?, as it applies to The Constitution…….

      That there is NO NOBEL PRIZE* for “economics” and therfore there are no Nobel Lauriets on this subject…….should also stimulate anyone intelligent into the mode of further inquiry……….after all, why would these supposed ‘prize winners” actually allow this misconception to continue……….

      This is similar to the question on the Constitution and the silence of Ron Paul and Judge Napolitano to address what is in fact the most direct way to restore what has been lost, and it is impossible for any Judge not to know this, so again we have a case of direct FRAUD……..which continues without missing a beat……..

      *It is the National Bank of Sweden Prize for Economics ( in memory of Alfred Nobel and announced on the same day ) which might be like the K.K.K.s annual Martin Luther King Award in terms of validity. ( think Blackford-Sholes )

      Von Mises is to economic reality, what Ptolomy was to heliocentrism, irrelevant.

      “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him.
      They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

      • DaveH

        Galt’s evidence –> Because I say so.
        I provide straight forward logic and evidence, Galt. You provide circular reasoning and double-speak. The readers know the difference.
        Does it scare you that people might read the suggested books, Galt, and know your statements are fallacious?

      • GALT

        That you choose willfull ignorance is of no concern to me, and you seem more afraid of my list of books……..and the EVIDENCE they contain…….you are here to HEAR what you want to hear………time will change that……….bye.

      • Maynard

        GALT, there is a Nobel Prize in Economics.

      • GALT

        No Maynard there is not……

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Memorial_Prize_in_Economic_Sciences

        You can twist this anyway you want……..but there is nothing “scientific” about Economics,
        although you would think recent events would have been enough of a hint.

        The list of books above will open your eyes to many things you might believe to be true,
        Economics Unmasked is only 200 pages……

      • DaveH

        Science deals with narrow events that can be proven or disproven relatively easily. Economic theory deals with actions of human beings in the marketplace. And humans each have their own unique set of desires, needs, efforts, etc. The variables are so numerous that proving economic theory, no matter how valid, would be virtually impossible.
        However, I would take the word of an Austrian Economist any day of the week over the word of a Galt.

      • DaveH

        Here is another book that should be required reading for all the brainwashed minions in our country:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

      • GALT

        Yeah….imagine you’re on a desert island…….and catching two fish takes twelve hours…..and you build a net and catch 50 fish a day……which you don’t need…..and then magically other people appear………in short a stupid book……

        but in the spirit of Adam Smith’s imagine barter money credit…….of course, the history
        is precisely backwards…….reality is credit, money, barter…….

        protecting the little you have left…….Dave……..nothing sadder than a future victim who insists on being one…….economics fails on every level………..simple or complex……
        Malthus owns you now……as do the corporations………

      • GALT

        expecting you to actually READ a book is probably too much….so just for you….

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhbTMB6ehZY&feature=related

      • GALT

        and lest we forget…….free markets are unregulated with voluntary transactions……precisely the conditions that caused the crash………David has been asleep the last decade or four……..if he could ever get out of his own way……he might actually say something that made sense……….

  • Mike in MI

    Mr. Jeremy Loechner – Apologies for misapprehension of your past posts.
    I agree with Mr. Livingston re the errors in the left/right paradigm. But, I see it more in terms of a wrong/right conflict. God is right – not the political right – simply RIGHT, JUST, GOODNESS Personified.
    You have been schooled that there is no such thing as TRUTH (dark versus light), that there is only shades of grey. But I perceive from your post above that you are someone who is confused by what you have been taught versus your environs and desire to get some bearings – hoping that somewhere, somehow you can connect to something that holds promise of making sense of the madness. If that is your heart’s cry may I suggest the Bible?
    Human philosophers have various tests for truths. One of them is does a tenet have a history and continuity of commitment, operability and fruitful utilization across cultures and time. In this arena nothing even approaches the Bible.
    It says of itself, “The word (God’s word) is faithful.” Eons of men and women who have STUDIED it, dug into it for its gems, put its directions to the test over a period of time and gotten a handle on its sweeping contents have not been disappointed in his/her expectations.
    If you decide to take up the quest you will want to get some tools to help in your studies.
    Obtain a good King James Bible for study, such as E. W. Bullinger’s “The Companion Bible” by Zondervan Publishing House in Grand Rapids, MI. Get an older “Interlinear Greek-English New Testament” by George R. Berry, PhD;; from Zondervan Publishing. Obtain a “The New Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance to the Old and New Testaments”; by James Strong,LL.D, STD.; from Thomas Nelson Publishers. Find a good lexicon such as “The Analytical Greek Lexicon” from Zondervan Publishing. Also, for ease of understanding and cross-checking yourself for accuracy get an older “The Amplified Bible”; also from Zondervan Publishing.
    You do not need to learn to speak Greek in order to understand what is there to be learned. Do learn the parts of speech common to all languages. Most theology students learn a form of Greek (Koine’ Greek) that the writers of the New Testament would not use. Most of the New Testament was FIRST spoken and written in Aramaic, the native language of Jesus and the apostles (except Luke). That was the vernacular, street language of the First Century Middle-Eastern region. Greek was spoken by some natives, Latin by the Romans. The Hebrews of the day had strong resistance to anything foreign. Hebrew was spoken in the Temple functions pretty much or was introduced later (talking about what is called “Hebrew” today).
    Do not rust most “Koine’” speaking ministers as having accuracy. Translation to Greek from Aramaic was commanded by Rome’s emporers because of the Roman infatuation for things “Greek” early in church history. Then the Aramaic Manuscripts were most likely destroyed. But, God revealed to the early translators how He wanted them to write it. So, the Hebrew Cultural influence was retained in the Greek. Those words and phrases are today called “Hebraiisms” that reflect Hebrew ‘s thinking and culture – not the Greeks. Study these things with that in mind.
    It seems awfully daunting. But, you can do it. If I can learn how to use these study materials so can you. “It’s required of a steward to be faithful”. Go at it with the knowledge that God wants you to know and keep a log of things you learn. Teach others what you learn and look for people or groups who can help you and fellowship with you, Don’t try to teach what you don’t know. Stay away from books called “commentaries.” Some are good but most are written by people supporting a denominational bias. Get a handle on the basic source material, the word of God, first. Professional clergy will try to cow you or put a bug in your brain. “Prove (in practical application) all things, hold fast that which is good.”
    If you can find somebody who can help you learn what works and what doesn’t hang on them like a burr. Ask God to help you every time you sit down with your books.

    I don’t need to wish you good luck. You’ll be too busy having fun, once you get the hang of it.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      There is still a great Bible study course on the radio/ internet THRU THE BIBLE with J Vernon McGee. It will take you thru the Whole Bible in 5 years and if you apply yourself to study the Word it won’t be a confusion or a puzzle to you. Check the site and find out what times it is broadcast in your area.

    • Vigilant

      Mike in MI says, “Get a handle on the basic source material, the word of God…”

      Then DON’T go to the Septuagint (OT) for guidance. The Greek work is filled with mistranslations and errors from the original Hebrew. Same for the NT version.

      The King James version is the most appealing to those who appreciate the elegant turn of the English phrase, but it too depended largely upon the faulty Greek translation of the Septuagint.

      The New Oxford Annotated Bible with the Apocrypha explains many of the mistranslations and more closely defines the original words of the Hebrew scholars who put the OT together.

      Again, stay away from the Greek translations!

      • James Heronime

        “snicker” Hebrew Scholars?? Ya mean pharacees?

      • Mike in MI

        Vigilant –
        What you say about the Greek (LXX) being full of errors is to a great extent correct. Also there were mistranslations brought into the different “families” of Greek NT manuscripts over the years. However, Greek is like German as a language. It makes an excellent scientific language because it is so accurate, well tied together with tight descriptors, prefixes, suffixes and the parts of speech can be pretty much shown which other parts of a sentence they belong to. Unlike English which progressive education has thrown to the wolves.
        I think they’ve done it on purpose so people have troubles communicating. Without that we’re a pretty sad lot. But worst of all – if people don’t like to, or can’t read, they won’t get anything out of the Scriptures. They’ll have real difficulty learning Truths or obtaining the benefits in their lives. Basically we’re kind of heading back to the Dark ages before Martin Luther, Wycliffe, Hus, Tyndale and all those guys elevated man out of the cesspool of ignorance brought down by the RCC in the Occident. Too bad for the West, it was not really like that so much in the Orient. But most of that history has been quashed.
        Anyway The Greek is a good language because you can tell where the copying errors or forgeries (in order to promote the trinity) were added or they made deletions.
        There aren’t many places where adjectives and other modifiers can go more than one way or to more than one word. But, theologians have not been terribly diligent about lots of things except doing things to promote their doctrinal preferences/heresies
        Pity, God gets blamed for it. But,He is smart enough to know where the best knowledge and believing of His word exists. And He responds to his truth when it’s operated and believed.

        Thanks for the honk back.

    • DaveH

      Mike says — “But I perceive from your post above that you are someone who is confused”.
      No Mike, Jeremy is not “confused”, sociopathic maybe, but not confused. Read the link in my second comment to see what I’m talking about.

      • Mike in MI

        Thanks, Dave. I’m very appreciative and already came upon your previous post revealing what Germy Locknutter is. ‘Tis truly good to have good friends at one’s back. Hope I can do the same or so for you sometime one way or another.

      • Karolyn

        Yeah, Mike, Dave the all-knowing.

      • Kate8

        As opposed to Karolyn, the simple. :)

      • Karolyn

        Not as simple as you might think, Kate. But I certainly don’t think I have all the answers like some people do.:-)

      • JeffH

        Karolyn, you’re just a hypocrit?

      • DaveH

        What’s your problem, Karolyn? I posted a link to back up my assertion. What, can’t spend enough time to read the thread I linked to at work? It seems kind of simple-minded to bash me when the proof is there for you to read.

      • http://none Claire

        JeffH–So totally off subject but I had to let you know. My Vinnie took a 4 point major yesteday morning, and little Abbey took a 4 point major on Saturday!!! Believe me, it was time for the good old Happy Dance!

      • JeffH

        Claire, HOO RAH! :) :) :)

      • JeffH

        Claire, have you heard from libertytrain? Haven’t seen any posts for quite some time. If you have, please say hi for me. Conrats…once again! :)

        I’m so happy for you and your “pups” success in the ring.

      • http://none Claire

        JeffH–I heard from libertytrain about 3 weeks ago or so. I have to send her an email–it will be a long one. She is a good person, and I will tell her you said hello.
        The dog show on Saturday was dedicated to my Bob. It was so nice of the club , and it made me cry all over again. And that was the day Abbey took Best of Winners. I won’t be entering any future shows for awhile. Tim’s surgery is upcoming and it scares me. It will be a tricky operation. Have a great day!

      • JeffH

        Claire, that’s very touching and a wonderful thing for them to do…I’m sure Bob was watching, proud and smiling.
        Stay strong and trust your compass!

    • Jeremy Leochner

      I can respect your views Mike. I will say that is not what I was taught. I was taught that there are certainly truths in this world. I was taught it is up to us to find them. I do not believe in god. But I do not despair. I believe there is right and wrong even without god. I do not believe it is up to us to decide or know what is right or wrong. I have done things I thought were right that were not. And I have done things I was hesitant to do that turned out to be okay. Just because one believes something is right does not make it so. I try to keep my views in perspective. From time to time I have had my views challenged and have had to change them. But I still believe in the lesson I was raised with. Treat others the way you want to be treated. Since I have a certain way I wish to be treated I try my best to treat others the same. I wish for people to respect my views even if they disagree and so I try to do the same. I respect your views Mike. I may disagree but I respect them, and I thank you for your concern.

      • Mike in MI

        Germy –
        You aren’t confused; that’s now evident. You’re just an agent of confusion, chaos and disturbance. A Pathological Liar with a bunch of big old spiritual worms sliding around under your skull plates.
        Father, You have protected him from their full influence heretofore. If he wants to keep them and likes their company, let them do their thing on and in Germy Flushman.
        Off with the leashes in the name of Jesus Christ.

      • Maynard

        Jeremy, thank you for your respectful attitude to those who chose to denigrate and amateurishly psychoanalize you. I also fall into the category of a non-believer in the Old Testament of the Bible which was written by self-centered, egomaniacal, ethnocentric, bellicose, fanatics who thought they had the right to treat other groups with no regard to their humanity. Note how in the Old Testament they frequently encouraged their warriors to take over other groups, divvy up the booty (including the women) and dispose of the males.
        Using the Old Testament is why we have thought it perfectly fine for our war machine to destroy innocent people and cultures around the world. To me there are no ‘chosen people’ and no evil, demonic people. There are only misguided people who do not chose to follow the Golden Rule, which you characterised when you said you treat others as you wish to be treated.
        True Christians should do as Christ directed and revolt against the Old Testament. This is why he was crucified. He taught us to love our neighbors and our enemies. He did not believe in everyone for himself and might makes right. He had a social conscience and was a believer in peace. Nowadays, that would make him a socialist and a pacifist. Both are fine with me. We do not live in a vacuum where we can ignore the poor, the ignorant, the young, the elderly, the sick, the halt or the lame.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Maynard,

        You write: “I also fall into the category of a non-believer in the Old Testament of the Bible which was written by self-centered, egomaniacal, ethnocentric, bellicose, fanatics who thought they had the right to treat other groups with no regard to their humanity.” You, sir, have a conundrum.
        Romans 15:4
        New American Standard Bible (NASB)
        4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

        2 Timothy 3
        New American Standard Bible (NASB)
        14 You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is [h]inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for [i]training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

        You write: “True Christians should do as Christ directed and revolt against the Old Testament.” Please cite for me Scripture in which Christ directed his followers to “revolt” against the Old Testament.

        You write: “Nowadays, that would make him a socialist and a pacifist.” Poppycock!

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Kate8

        Maynard – You are yet another misguided liberal who has no idea what you are talking about. You cannot understand scriptures unless you know the true meanings. It even says “for those with an ear to hear”, and “for those not indwelt by the Holy Spirit, it will read like so much foolishness”.

        Yeshua never approved of government control over people. He was for freedom from tyranny. People who are not enslaved by government are very generous and charitable. Government only uses welfare as a way of plundering our earnings and gaining the votes of the recipients of such welfare, most of which goes into their own programs and pockets.

        When you try to use the Bible to make a case for your socialist ideology, you will get nowhere with people who understand it. You only make a fool of yourself.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am not lying Mike. Nor am I trying to spread confusion. I do not believe in god. Therefore my moral compass is based not on some outside judge but on inner guilt and responsibility. My parents drummed into me the maxim that I can do whatever I want so long as I can live with myself. My parents made a point to teach me that there is a reason why things are against the rules and that there is a reason they punish me when I break them. I was taught that just because I benefit from something does not mean others do not get hurt. That just because I get away with something I still have to live with what I have done and with the consequences of my actions. I was taught to judge myself and take responsibility for my actions. If I do something wrong it is my fault and no one elses. It is not the devil tempting me or god testing me. It is me myself making a choice. Sometimes I do wrong things thinking they were right. As they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Just because I think something is right does not make it so. There are things I think are right but sometimes I do not know what is right in the broad philosophical sense. All I know is to listen to my conscience. May sound corny but I really do believe in letting your conscience be your guide. But I try to honor religious traditions and institutions. I like reading the bible whenever I can. I think the stories in the bible are good lessons for people of all ages and should be encouraged. And I respect the holiness of churches and mosques and temples. Everyone has a right to their beliefs. As I wish people to respect mine so I try to respect others.

      • DaveH

        You were taught to take responsibility for your actions, Jeremy (aka Flashman)? Then take responsibility for whatever possesses you to have multiple personalities on this board.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The reason is because I do not have multiple personalities Dave. Like I said I was taught to take responsibility for my choices. I have my beliefs and I choose to express them. As such I take responsibility for my actions by attaching my name to them. If I used names other then my own I would be violating one of my most cherished principles.

      • cbgard

        Carlucci here. This was a fantastic article by Bob Livingston. I’ve known about most of the subject matter for years, but did not know much about Bechamp. I will start reading more about that. I would also like to add that Dr. Spock was a big proponent of vaccinations which comes as no surprise. Prior to that, people would give their children cod liver oil to build up their immune systems (I still take it to this day and have not had a vaccination in 25 years).

        I must say it is wonderful to see the real truth consolidated in this article and to also read the comments from the posters that I miss so much (Kate8, Claire, Vigilant, Samurai & Sook, Old Henry, and many more). I work a lot and don’t get to read the newsletter every day, but I’m sure glad I saw this one.

        Keep up the good work, Bob Livingston. You rock – !

  • Jeremy Leochner

    This does help Mr. Livingston. The only question remaining for me is in regards to the false left right paradigm. To my knowledge Mr. Livingston you have avoided such generalizations however several of your writers have quite emphatically and often thrown around terms like the left and leftist in a very general sense. They have strongly pushed the idea that American politics is somehow a battle between the left and the right, liberals versus conservatives. I respect that your writers can write what they wish. However I want to understand why you say that the the left right paradigm is false when your own columns writers seem to be pushing it so forcefully. And perhaps why your columns writers feel it is necessary to push this idea at all. Like you said the left right paradigm is false and such labels are meaningless. So why do your writers use them so much.

    • JeffH

      Jeremy, the answer to your question is right under your nose.

      “How could you allow (that writer) to say that? Our contributors are given free rein to write whatever is on their conscience. While we all agree in a broad sense, we are not an echo chamber and do not agree on all points. You may one day read one perspective on an issue and see a different perspective from a different contributor the next.”

      • Vicki

        Left right paradigm and why it doesn’t work explained here.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • DaveH

        The Left Right paradigm as explained by Lew Rockwell:
        http://mises.org/books/leftright.pdf

      • Kate8

        The Left/Right paradigm is an illusion as far as party system in government.

        However, ideologically, it is alive and well among the populace. Many just haven’t figured out that the parties merely pander to the ideologies of the people… and, indeed, work to shape them.

        There is no doubt that are liberals and conservatives. I believe that Mr. Livingston addressed that point quite well. To deny that you, Jeremy, and I, are miles apart in our thinking would be absurd.

        It boils down to our outlook on the world, how we view personal responsibility and accountability, the function of government, and to whom we look for answers to our problems and to whom we attribute power to determine our society.

        We cannot deny the liberal’s enamorment of big government, the perceived ability to have a hand in the public largesse, and the ability to have their every decadent self-indulgence receive the blessing of Big Bro and shoved down our collective throats.

        Nor can we deny that conservatives value personal liberty and desire to be free of all but the most essential functions of governance. That we desire to set our own standards of society, allowing each to exercise his right to his own choices and morals as long as no one intrudes on the rights of another. This alone tends to set the standards of what is acceptable, and the chips fall where they may.

        It boils down to the force of government to determine our lives, or personal sovereignty. Once we go down the road as trying to use government as a great equalizer, we end up right where we are, because humanity simply does not possess enough wisdom to solve everyone’s problems, and power makes humans infinitely corruptible.

        Hence, we end up with those in power pitting the factions against each other for their own ends and, eventually, everyone loses.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I understand that. My issue is Mr. Livingston said that it was a false paradigm. He said such labels are meaningless. My question is why do his writers seem to differ so strongly on this point. My issue is with him saying that the left right paradigm is not whats on this site. Yet my understanding is that it is here quite often.

      • Kate8

        Jeremy – He didn’t say that the posters were all aware of the false paradigm. Clearly, they are not.

        What he said was that HE was aware of it, and exposing the truth is part of his own policies.

        Why are you being so nit-picky? The answers to your (rhetorical) questions are obvious. Perhaps it is YOU who are dense.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, this is Jeremy’s(Flashy’s) game…it’s all intentional.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Perhaps I am being a little picky. I apologize Mr. Livingston. Maybe my issue is with the writers themselves and why they feel the need to push the left right paradigm. I agree with Mr Livingston that it is false and the labels are meaningless. My issue is why his writers don’t think so.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 – “Why are you being so nit-picky?”
        Obsessive-compulsive…and probably other disorders like tics, addictions and schizoids (with multiple spiritual rats aboard) are highly represented in sociopaths and certain depressed individuals. They have control of him not he of them.

      • DaveH

        The Left/Right paradigm has nothing at all to do with whether people are Liberals/Progressives (like Big Government) or True Conservatives (like Limited Government, Small Government). Bob is saying that both Leftists and Rightists are fronting for most of the same people, as they are. Read this book and figure it out:
        http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Ripoff-Business-Government/dp/0471789070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342462552&sr=8-1&keywords=the+big+ripoff

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I am autistic.I will grant you that information. I am a tad nit picky. But tics and schizoids. No. I have been depressed in the past. But I worked through it. My views are based on my understanding of the world. Not some mental disorder.

      • Kate8

        But Jeremy, your understanding of the world has been shaped by those with an agenda. It has been socially engineered. None of your thoughts are truly your own, but merely a result of indoctrination.

        Belief is not truth. It is only belief. No matter how many people believe in a thing, it is still only a belief, and no amount of belief or repetition will make a lie the truth.

        We cannot ever hope to come anywhere near to the truth until we are willing to throw out all belief. You cannot place new wine in old wineskins, for the new wine will be tainted and will take on the flavor of the old.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Actually Kate my thoughts are my own. I have from time to time doubted my beliefs. And I have changed them as the years have gone by. My understanding is not based on others telling me what to think. It is based on what I think. I was taught to think critically and analyze and base my thoughts on that. I believe there is validity in what I say. I believe in tolerance and moderation. I think such ideas are good. Perhaps I am wrong but so far I believe I am right. I listen to my own heart and not just what others say.

      • http://naver samurai

        I understand what Bob is saying. I also am a Christian, combat veteran, conservative, and patriot. Sook Young is a patriot also. We believe in this country going only by the Constitution, founding principles, and our Christian founding. These are not really part of any political party these days, except through lip service, but there are those out there that wish to change all of these and make our country into a socialist, secular state. Good article Bob. If you have the time, maybe you could try to explain to the 5th columners on this site just who is really pulling the strings. Bilderbergs, Illuminati, and other evil, wacko groups. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Deerinwater

      Jeremy, Mr. Livingston remind me of the Coach of a mixed race football team that was experiencing some racial tension among his team members and set out to address it by getting them all together and telling them that they were all “green” in his eyes. Then proceeded to command , “Okay” now that is settled, I want all the light green to fall out and give me three laps and the dark green form a single line on my mark.”

      That was only a stab at humor and I hope it’s taken that way for I enjoy Bob Livingston’s forums and much of the work he has set out to do, to educate and enlighten. American badly need a viable 3rd party and perhaps even a forth. I’m almost willing to say anything that disrupts the current power structure on the Hill that has Americans squeezed in the jaws of a vise where we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t , “might” seen as a “good thing”

      That said, It’s fun to watch a tiger attempt to change it’s strips as I fail to see any difference between the current Tea Party actives and the Right Wing Christian Coalition that served 43 so well and offered the wind under his wing as he went from one blunder to the next. They have lighted up on the pontificating “God Matters” but it’s still the driving force behind their stated intentions. They want “their God in your politics”

      This relabeling for political expedience, to distant ones self from a poor track record on both foreign affairs and poor spending habits in the name of some righteousness endeavor and to hell with the cost or who will be left to pay it can be understood but don’t think for one second I don’t understand what the Tea Party is doing. In their zeal for “Righteousness “, they have been wrong before and can be just as wrong today.

      Not all , but many of the midterm Tea Party of 2010 victors have came under fire for unscrupulous activities, lying, fraud , misappropriation of funds just like any other lying, cheating and stealing politician. There no difference in one from another in the final accounting.

      In good faith, we are left to select a “person” and not a “label” or “banner” while some would believe Herman Cain might have qualified ~ offering me serious concerns while our election process has “worked” and worthy mention. I find myself grateful.

      • Vigilant

        “This relabeling for political expedience, to distant ones self from a poor track record on both foreign affairs and poor spending habits in the name of some righteousness endeavor and to hell with the cost or who will be left to pay it …”

        You’ve described Obama to a tee.

      • http://SouthernGirl Doubtful Avenger

        Dear Deer in headlights – you claim you see no difference between the Tea Party and the former Religious Right. I was never a member of RR, because it was a closed group of Christians whose “conservatism” was mainly social conservatism, so folks like Huckabee and Santorum could rise to power and influence but still see government (even big government) as a solution instead of the problem. The Tea Party certainly is open and allows folks with the RR views to participate, but it is primarily small government, anti-tax, anti-debt, and its principles and ideas are much more libertarian and less constrictive than the RR. If you don’t see a difference, it is because you haven’t participated, but are buying the misrepresentations of the mainstream media.

      • Deerinwater

        It’s Deerinwater,~ buttwipe,

        Doubtful Avenger says; “, (The Tea Party) but it is primarily small government, anti-tax, anti-debt, and its principles and ideas are much more libertarian and less constrictive than the RR. If you don’t see a difference, it is because you haven’t participated, but are buying the misrepresentations of the mainstream media.”

        Okay DA, I will concede that the right wing coalition has moved the couch around, added a floor lamp, a few new wall hanging and some new window treatment but it is still the same bunch that supplied the energy for 43 second term while spending 7 trillion dollars and no one questions asked where is might come from as they waved tiny plastic flags and shouted down all opposition with claims of God & Country. Anyone that opposed 43′s International , military blundering was labeled, a pinko, Anti-gun, Anti-military, Anti -American , anti-Christian and completely Godless. I remember those days very well and I’m here to see that everyone else does. I’m not at liberty to let any of you to forget it.

        I will admit that their ( the Tea Party’s) new packaging has added appeal and increased their membership. You openly admitted , you are a Johnny Come Lately and was not engaged in Right Wing Christian Coalition prior to the Tea Party. ~ You are a walking, talking living example of what I’m talking about.

        Let me ask you something, ~ we don;t hear of the Ring Wing Christian Coalition anymore, ~ Where ta hell do you think they went?

        Do you really believe that they simply disappeared off the face of the planet? That they gave up after the Bush administration embarrassment?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DoubtfulAvenger,”

        I LIKE YOUR CLEARLY-STATED DEFINITIONS FOR “Religious Right” AND “Tea Party.”

        STRANGELY, YOUR DEFINITION FOR, Tea Party, FITS THE COMMON VIEW NEGRO DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS HELD IN REFERENCE TO CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS – i. e., “rich white folks living in big mansions and too cheap when it comes to spending money.” YET, SINCE MY CHILDHOOD DURING THE EARLY 1970s, THE Religious Right HAS RECEIVED THE MOST EXPOSURE IN THE NEGRO COMMUNITY.

        THEREFORE, IT IS “STRANGE” BECAUSE MOST NEGROES HAVE A “Tea Party-” VIEW OF CAUCASIAN REPUBLICANS – WHO HAVE A “Religious Right” FACE.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • JeffH

        You’re just a hoot sometimes deer bob when you state what you don’t know… “That said, It’s fun to watch a tiger attempt to change it’s strips as I fail to see any difference between the current Tea Party actives and the Right Wing Christian Coalition that served 43 so well and offered the wind under his wing as he went from one blunder to the next.”

        I don’t expect you to understand or even change your “percieved” bias towards the Tea Party movement but just so ya know…The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that supports adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution,[1] reduced government spending,reducing taxes, and reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit. The movement is generally considered to be conservative, libertarian, and populist. The movement has sponsored protests and supported political candidates since 2009.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

        Considering the “Tea Party actives”(?)weren’t even around while 43 was in office but were certainly formed as a result of, among others, 43′s and government’s lack of fiscal restraint.

        New York Times journalist Kate Zernike reported that leaders within the Tea Party credit Seattle blogger and conservative activist Keli Carender with organizing the first Tea Party in February 2009, although the term “Tea Party” was not used.

      • Deerinwater

        Hmm? ~ well Jeff, ~ being called a “hoot” is an honor and I’ll wear it gladly.

        I’m attempting to point out the elephant in the room while you and everyone else (its seems) is refusing to even go there. ( Not that I blame you, I’m just refusing to let you)

        Like Mitt Romney, you are attempting to hide behind a time-line and a label change in your “attempt” to distance yourselves from foul deeds and in-general, a disservice to fellow Americans in your lust and pursuit for dominion.

        Why not just admit that your Tea Party, much like the Phoenix ,arose from the ashes of the Right Wing Christian Coalition in sound disgrace and defeat and we can get on with business, ~ without this pretense that there is a new kid in town?

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff says; “The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that supports adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution,”

        Oh I do understand Jeff, more then you believe, The Tea Party is the “New Improved’ version of the RWCC, much wiser after their stall, spin, crash and burn in 2008 and their chicken came back home to roost.

        Not finding a strong perpetuity for the bitterness of Humble Pie, a name change and little less use of Gods name and holy righteousness was in order find most appropriated and befitting the self absorbed, self described American Christian Patriot. Since it didn’t work out so well the last time.

        Much like the original tea Party , where the Tea Party actor’s were cloaked in disguise with an attempt to deffer guilt to innocent native Americans, so too is the Tea Party of today. While today some do openly show they faces and some do not, leading only to a rabbit hole in corporate America. It’s my personal belief their leaderships intentions are always veiled in some patriot Pollyanna bu$$ #hit while using gullible Shills that know no better.

        Once again, you are being used, having not learned your lesson the last time you fell under a spell of disinformation that boosted of “Nobel and Righteous” virtues.

        Lets face it ! If you can find financing for your Christian cause, you would dance with the Devil himself and deny it until you die.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, you’ve now joined the ranks of the anti-christian movement…good for you. Robert and Falsy would be proud. I wouldn’t expect any less from you.
        I get it that you’re clueless but you don’t have to broadcast it.

        As you’re babbling on with your ignorance, yes I said ignorance, you’ve now decided in your wild mind that this is all about me supporting a “Christian cause”. Considering I don’t discuss my religeous beliefs on this board I see you’ve decided to just start making things up…how Obama of you.

        You say “It’s my personal belief their leaderships intentions are always veiled in some patriot Pollyanna bu$$ #hit while using gullible Shills that know no better.”

        It’s more like “SO says the Jabberwocky”…speaking of shills!

        You’re spewing out a lot of methane gas. You’re so full of yourself your eyes are brown! Now go have another shot of whatever mindnumbing beverage it is you’ve been drinking.

        I’m done playing with you but feel free to lower yourself any way you please…if that’s what pleases you.

        Si vous ne pouvait pas dire quelque chose de stupide vous resterait silencieuse.

        Now if only pigs could fly!

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff say; “deer bob, you’ve now joined the ranks of the anti-christian movement”

        I beg your pardon, to the contrary, I have not, ~ I’m just anti Jeff! I have not joined anything, ~ I merely bring forward an observation to large to ignore. And rather then attacking my message you attempt to attack me.

        Nice attempt to divert attention from the message, but it does not work on me. Sorry! ☻

        You are misapplying the Christian label in much the same way you do all other labels, to sever you and your personal beliefs. “Christian” should carry a certain seal of approval , while it seems there nothing you won’t abuse to get your way.

      • http://gravatar.com/macgyver1948 macgyver1948

        JeffH … I do not normally take things out of context and form an opinion with the incomplete information and I wont now but I am curious. I didn’t see all of Deerinwater’s comment in my email but I saw yours.

        You said, in response to him, “deer bob, you’ve now joined the ranks of the anti-christian movement…good for you”. What determines an “anti-christian”? Is it just those who hate Christians or are people who are not Christian and do not hate Christians included in that group of “anti-christian” and part of ‘that’ “movement”?

        I am not a Christian and I will never want to be but I consider many Christians as equal in the eyes of God as I am to Him and to me. I have many close Christian friends and none of them say that so as I said I am only curious.

      • JeffH

        So says the Jabberwocky! Have another drink!

      • macgyver1948

        JeffH… Why do you have that evil sociopath hitler in your pic? You obviously have that right but do you associate with that kind of evil? Hitler in no way represents anything God or freedom and liberty. I do not recognize the guy with him so is it a Yin-Yang kind of thing?

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff say;”Considering I don’t discuss my religeous beliefs on this board I see you’ve decided to just start making things up…”

        and I thank you for that Jeff but I don’t remember my observation being directed at a single person and you were the last person on my mind.

        For what it’s worth to you, the Tea Party would be a much more creditable force if there were more active members like DaveH, Time, 45 and yourself. But face the facts, ~none of you don’t make up the bulk of Tea Party, you only share some ruse of common purpose to resist 1st and foremost the current administration.

        That the Tea Party venomously opposed the current administration before they knew “how” it would actually govern should offer anyone some understanding of Tea Party “intent”, this cry that the American election process has failed sounds more like sour grapes to me. I remember it as so, ~ by inauguration Feb 26th 2009 this ground swell of Tea Party resistance had been mounted and it has not stopped in 3 1/2 years.

        And where are these Right Wing Christian Coalition Conservatives today? Did they leave a forwarding address?

      • JeffH

        mac-1948, if you have to ask you’ll never get it. Two peas in a pod!

      • macgyver1948

        JeffH… The pic was to small for me to see it is Obama until I enlarged it. I was right, it is a Yin-Yang thing – nicely opposites – evil hitler and not so bad Obama. Thanks for clearing that up.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, I’m not the least bit sorry you got your panties all twisted out of shape. In the meantime please keep posting your little rants & tirades…they really demean you…as much as you’ve tried the opposite…it ain’t workin’ chumly!

      • Deerinwater

        Panties in a wad? Oh please ! I’m just vexed when confronted with people attempting to use “Stupid” as a weapon.

        And thanks you from the heart of my bottom for your permission to post here Jeff. I was not aware that you served Mr. Livingston in the capacity of gate keeper and pesky country fly. It’s nice to feel so welcomed with your ongoing personal attacks while completely avoiding my message, it;s duly noted by myself and others.

        While I have not made an effort to attack you “personally” while clearly I’ve struck a nerve to warrant such personal attacks coming from you. Is it something that I said?

        Your behavior and postings speak for themselves as you beat yourself up in some furious effort to pull me off topic.

        So again I ask, where are all those Right Wing Christian Coalition Conservative that help us spend 7 Trillion dollars on wars that could have been avoided? With 6,377 dead Americans soldiers, I ask for what? I would expect some accounting on the part of sincere Christian patriots.

        Yes a democratic congress was instrumental in this debacle but they were lied to and shouted down as this noisy bunch demand what their President wanted, ~ It was the power of lies and a loud minority carrying a Christian banner that ruled the day.

        I will never let us forget. I will never let you hide.

      • Deerinwater

        Vigilant says:

        “This relabeling for political expedience, to distant ones self from a poor track record on both foreign affairs and poor spending habits in the name of some righteousness endeavor and to hell with the cost or who will be left to pay it …”

        You’ve described Obama to a tee.

        response; “TMF” ~ Too much Fox.

      • JeffH

        deer bob, as I’m LMAO at your constant ignorant ramblings I’ll remind you that your simply spitting into a head wind.

        “I will never let you hide.” Such a “bone chilling” statement!
        You probably lost a lot in “hide & seek” as a child too. ROFLMAO!
        That’s about as delutional a statement as you’ve ever made…and you’ve made plenty of them.

        Now throw another log on the fire and suck down a few more hot toddies. Ta da for now.

      • Deerinwater

        If you cannot attack the message Jeff, then why are you here? For what purpose do you serve? I must have really, really hurt your little feeling. Was it something I said that you don’t feel comfortable to discuss?

        Why don’t you just unload on me and we can banter back and forth like mature adults? As for now, you are coming across like a 10 year old.

      • JeffH

        er bob, re-read your idiotic meaningless rants, it is you who’s all up in arms and offended.(imagine that?) In order to to play the game, you have to understand the rules. By the very nature of your responses, you’ve failed and try as you may to toss out some bait, you’re the only one getting hooked by it here.
        I do realize that’s a bit over your head

        Looking forward to your response. Until later, Ta Ta!

      • Deerinwater

        If my message is meaningless , I would think you could ignore it?

        Since you don’t seem to have a message and until you find one Jeff, consider yourself ignored.

        Jeff H supported an administration that restricted personal freedoms with the Patriot Act while committing every American taxpayer to fork out 7 Trillion dollars with “ZERO” earning promised as over 6000 American soldiers bleed out on foreign soil while he wave a tiny plastic flag and sang Gods glory on high.

      • JeffH

        Hmmmm ho, yawns…so says the Jabberwocky…run with whatever floats yer boat.

        Ta da for now!

      • macgyver1948

        JeffH… You like the word “Jabberwocky”, you use it a lot to describe any who disagree with you. Fantasy must suite you. I enjoy fantasy a lot myself but I don’t generally use it to call people names like we did in kindergarten and grade school. Not since I became an adult anyway. For example, I could say the Tea Party and their purchased GOP are Succubus because they are working very hard on sucking the life out of the middle class but I haven’t yet. :-) ).

        Below is my copy/paste definition of your “Jabberwocky”. In it notice the definition includes the description “nonsense verse”. Is it just easy for you to use that kind of name calling when you speak with people who disagree with you? Oh well, sticks and stones…

        “Jabberwocky” is a nonsense verse poem written by Lewis Carroll in his 1872 novel Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There, a sequel to Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland. The book tells of Alice’s adventures within the back-to-front world of a looking glass.”.

      • JeffH

        macgyver1948, because you’re not bright enough to understand, I’ll give you a short and concise answer.

        1. NO, I don’t use it on anyone who disagrees with my point of view, it’s use is reserved for one individual only.

        If you had paid enough attention you would have understood that. You’ve poked your nose into and have made an unsupported generalization about something that you obviously have no knowledge of…you must be a liberal!

      • macgyver1948

        JeffH…. Since I am not sure what your personal definition of “liberal” is I really can’t answer you even though your question was obvioulsy sarcastically rhetorical.

        Actually I am not into lables and I am not really a Party person. I am more of an issues person. I believe when it comes to the private sector we all are entitled to what we can afford. Those who can afford and maintain a Rolls Royce should be able to buy or lease it. Those who cannot afford more than what is in the Chevy Nova class that should be what they can buy and maintain. In other words, don’t buy the house you can’t afford every month for the term of the mortage. There is more to that but not for here and now.

        I look for what I consider fair and equitable (similiar but not exactly the same as ‘fair’) for all of us from government. We should not be allowed to buy more benefits, we should be treated equal and the same, all of us. I do not agree that the very wealthy, who can afford better tax advice, should be able pay less taxes than those of us who cannot afford tax advice at all. Warren Buffet should not be paying less taxes than his secretary. I would suggest a reseanable flat tax that would not allow for exceptions but I do not think the wealthy would allow it. And I believe in helping people when they deserve and need it.

        I believe our government should keep its hairy nose out of our personal business, our bodies and our religions (and viseversa on that religion thing). But I also believe Governmnet needs to step in when it comes to protecting the envirnment. I wish I didn’t mean that last part but the need has been so obvious over the last couple of hundred years because Corporations will polute the envirtnment and strip the land all to keep their costs down with very little regard for people.

        I feel we need the EPA although that agency, along with others, needs reform. To many agencies do not work for our benefit and that has a lot to do with corporate influence – money. It’s not only Congress who has a “For Sale” sign on its back. I am so much against Corporate money influencing government as the Founders were. I believe if the Founders were some how to come here today they would shoot anyone who says “Corporatiuons are people”. I believe Romney is a Corporate/Koch puppet and he will Bain the crap out of us.

        I see that Trickle Down will not work because those at the top will not allow enough to trickle down for it to benefit anyone. Notice I did not say TD will not work. As long as those at the top are so greedy and take the incentives, to create jobs and whatever, but instead use the gifts as savings TD will not work. For example, where are the jobs the GW Bush gifts were suppose to create?

        I could go on but I think you have your opinion of me already, even before this response to you, so it really doesn’t matter. Please do not think I missed your insult, my not being bright enough to understand, but I choose to not go there because there is to much to brighten up my day to care.

        So, am I a liberal according to you?

      • Deerinwater

        JeffH seems to believe he is the gate keeper and hold some kind of black belt in the art of personal attacks while actually he is mouthy pundit representing the self described Conservative Right which holds a miserable track record of being correct about much of anything . He has no argument, he hided in arrogance of his ignorance and actually believes he has injured you with it ~ when you bother respond to him.

        I’ve cut him off of my respond list until which time he brings forward any argument of some substance. JeffH being wrong or marginly correct is something to work with , being deliberately or sincerely stupid is another matter. Once you seen one “Three Stooges” routine, you have seen them all.

    • DaveH

      Jeremy,
      The old-timers know that you are really Flashman, so why don’t you quit the sociopathic games and just call yourself HFlashman (aka. Flashy) all the time? Is it because we have so thoroughly exposed your Flashman personality that you know you have no credibility as Flashy?
      What kind of sickness would prompt a person to assume different personalities like you do?
      For the new readers who don’t know what I’m talking about:
      http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-341930
      Read the whole thread, especially Bob’s comments. Jovianus is one of Flashman’s multiple personalities.

      And the answer to your question, Flashman, is that Bob is talking about the purposeful manipulation by the string-pullers to keep people divided into the two political camps — the Military State, and the Welfare State. As long as people are rooting for one faux team or the other, the Government can just keep growing to the benefit of their Crony Capitalists. We can only ever regain our Freedom if the people awaken to the fact that they are being manipulated.
      By the way, Flashman, I can’t speak for the other readers, but my labels — Liberal or Conservative — are consistent with Bob’s philosophy. Liberal, by my definition, is anybody who thinks Big Government is the solution to our problems, and Conservatives are those who know that Small Government (e.g. Constitutional Government) is the solution to our problems (like our most influential Founders knew). Thus, most of the Politicians, whether Republican or Democrat, are Liberals.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, good to see you’re alive and, I hope, well. You’ve been missed!

      • Mike in MI

        Amen to that JeffH.!!!
        Good to hear from you DaveH. – one of our librarians and best word engineers. So, I have really misread Jeremy L and dipped into one of Flushy’s multiple, schizoid selves below?
        Ah, well. Thanks for the nicely referenced heads up. I like how folks stick together here. Very, very refreshing in these evil and devouring times.
        Hope my post below to “Mr. Jeremy Loechner” (7/16/12 @ 4:49 a.m.) is not a total waste of a night. Well it’s there if somebody, anybody can use the info. Those texts have served me very well for a whole bunch of decades…and still today. Albeit a little doggy-eared, now.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        The problem Dave is that I am not flashman or Jovianus anyone other then Jeremy Leochner. That idea was created out of a refusal to debate me and respect that a person could genuinely believe what I believe. Someone who uses multiple personalities is a liar who does not trust in their own beliefs. I do so I will not use different names to push what I believe. And I say what I have always said Dave I do not care what you think of me or my ideas. All I want is to have a debate like adults rather then a pity squabble over identity. I am who I say am. Why is that so crazy.

      • Kate8

        Admit it, Jeremy. You are but another one of the paid shills. Your posts are not intelligent enough to be honest. Someone with so little political savvy wouldn’t be interested in posting on sites this this unless they had a reason for doing so.

        Your denials mean nothing. Part of the job is swearing it’s not so… deny, deny, deny. The truth must NEVER be revealed.

        We know all about it, Jeremy, Flash, or whoever you are. Doesn’t matter, because you are a fictional entity, anyway.

        BTW, there is now a task force investigating paid shill organizations. You will be exposed soon enough.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, HEAR HEAR!

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        You bore me with your nonsense. I didn’t say you are crazy. I said you are a sociopath.

      • Karolyn

        Dave, Kate, et al – It seems the paranoid conservatives are out in force again and cannot accept the fact that someone can have the views Jeremy has and not be someone else, who is , in fact, paid to post. Why can’t you just accept that people are who they say they are? I just don’t get it, and it makes me crazy!

      • Kate8

        Well, Karolyn, I guess that you will just have to cope with it if you insist on trolling this site, won’t you?

        I doubt if any of us will lose any sleep over driving you crazy. It is what it is.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Part of the problem Kate is if I am not what you and Dave say I am that kinda requires denial as well. I believe what I believe. Apparently that is beyond reason for Dave, I am not paid to say what I say. I say what I believe. Crazy huh. As Abraham Lincoln once said “If I were two faced, do you think I would wear this one.” I am like all of you. I believe what I believe and I say it when I feel it warrants being said. I did not realize my ideas are so unreasonable that you cant imagine my saying them unless I am crazy or a paid liar. I will grant there is no way to prove either way whether or not I am telling the truth. I just fall back on what I have always done. I assume everyone here is who they say they are. At least I believe every name is a different person. I ask only for others to recognize that I am who I say I am. My real name is Jeremy Michael Leochner. Beyond that I do not wish to give you my personal information. I use only my real name because being honest about my ideas is very important to me. I consider it unnecessary and cowardly to not attach your own name to your ideas. I assume people here have the courage to the be associated with their ideas. I see no reason to not be honest myself. No amount of evidence beyond revealing information that could lead to my identity being stolen could prove that I am who I say I am. And then Dave and others would probably just assume I am Jeremy but that I am using fake names as well. I will say what is the truth. I am Jeremy Leochner and Jeremy Leochner only. I cannot prove who I am to anyone. There is no proof beyond perhaps sounding similar in belief that ties me to anyone else. Of course by that logic I could just as easily say that several of the writers or several bloggers on this website are the same person cause a lot seem to share the same beliefs. But that does not make a person the same as another. Same applies to me. I have a right to my beliefs same as any one else. I will speak my belief when I feel something needs to be said. I know what the truth is, I hope people can understand that.I dont want anyone to think I am saying something I do not believe or do not wish to say. I am Jeremy Leochner. The only post where my ideas will be voiced is the one under the name Jeremy Leochner.

      • TIME

        Dear JL,

        So you think that people who use many differant names are all lairs, would that be a fair representation of your own words?

        Ok good as thats what you posted – so thats how you really feel, and I agree with you 100%.

        So my question to you is this; Why do you have a double standard when it comes to; Barry Obama / Barry Marshall / Barry Sotoro, / Harrison J. Bounel, who got a $1.395.000.00 HUD loan to buy the home that the person he claims is his wife who’s name is M Onama lives in same phone number and SS # as one Barak Obama – oh and he has never paid a single red cent on that home or / Barak Obama – or what ever his real name is.

        Really since you were being so “Truthful” I have to ask you don’t you think your being a your hypocrite – when it comes to Barack Obama?

        Peace and Love

      • Jeremy Leochner

        Time you used a few names in that post there so it took me a while. I had not heard about President Obama asking for a loan on a house he did not own. That is what I took form your post. If that is true I would say yes the President is lying. However I have never known the President to go by any name other then his own. And I have never known his wife to go by any other name then her own. So to be honest I do not know enough about that story to know whether or not I was being hypocritical. Though how could I be since I did not know about it.

      • DaveH

        It’s fitting that you would use a quote from Dishonest Abe, Flashman:
        http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=312

      • DaveH

        Obama never used a name not his own? How about a Social Security number?
        http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/obamas-social-security-number-challenged/

      • Kate8

        Jeremy – You went on and on about what you believe, and that is fine, but I say again that beliefs are only beliefs. If such beliefs serve you, then fine. But they are still only beliefs.

        If you want the truth, then you have to suspend beliefs.

        As far as using one’s real name… well, in this day and age of non-privacy that can be risky. Why give someone who disagrees with you the opportunity to look you up…

        Besides which, those with views contrary to the WH only end up on an enemies list, so why would anyone risk that?

        No, I don’t think it’s necessary to tell the world your real name. In fact, I think that is foolish, under these circumstances.

        If you are running for POTUS, however, that is another story. You should be an open book, as your life and your views affect everyone, and they have the right to know who you are. Unlike the current liar in chief, who is one big fiction.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I can respect that. But the problem is we interpret things as we see them. Its important to change ones beliefs to match the evidence. Its just that evidence has not come up to change certain beliefs I have. I want to listen to reason and I will try to admit when I am wrong.
        As for my name I suppose if people want to look me up they can. I try to keep my personal information secret but I do not want to say my views under any name but my own. I think thats a good decision and I stick by it.
        I believe the President of the United States is not an evil liar. I am of the mind that he is honest about who he is. For all I or anyone knows maybe he isnt. But I am inclined to believe he his. It does not make it true, but neither does believing he is a liar make him a liar.

      • Kate8

        It’s called preponderance of evidence, Jeremy.

        So many Obots believe simply because they need to believe. They place party before common sense. Obama has crafted ( with a lot of help) a personna, and there are those, like you, will cling to this even though there is overwhelming evidence that he is a fraud.

        If you check it out, people from his past attest to his getting a lot of “help” in setting up a resume in spite of his lack of qualifications and laziness. IOW, he never earned a single title he received.

        But you won’t even examine any of this evidence, will you, Jeremy? And what about the fact that he has consistently stepped on the Constitution and issued EOs that fly right in its face?

        How is it that you do not even question the fact that he has sealed his entire history, and has spent millions of taxpayer dollars fighting having it released? That troubles you not at all?

        I’ve been over this too many times to count, so I won’t waste any more time on it. But objective, you are not, Jeremy.

        If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck….

      • Jeremy Leochner

        I don’t desire to cling to anything. I believe Obama has made mistakes and is not very quick to reveal certain aspects of his life. But there is a difference between not being proud of something and deliberately hiding it.

        Everyone has help earning titles. He was elected to the senate. He was elected to the presidency. He earned those titles. At least the people seemed to think he earned them.

        As to his executive orders. Give me an example. Give me evidence to work with. I cannot prove a negative unless I have evidence.

        No one is objective. Certainly not me. However I am no blind Obama supporter. I just prefer to call things as they are. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck its a duck, not a buzzard. Obama is certainly no dove or nightingale, but hes no buzzard or vulture either. Hes somewhere in the middle.

      • Deerinwater

        Kate8 says:

        “Well, Karolyn, I guess that you will just have to cope with it if you insist on trolling this site, won’t you?

        I doubt if any of us will lose any sleep over driving you crazy. It is what it is.”

        response; This was just too “rich” to not print again. Kate8 confession to willful trolling while blaming Karolyn of trolling.

        This is the perfect example of “stupid ” being employed as an Offensive weapon.

    • Mike in PA

      The left right paradign serves to obfuscate, to divide and conquer. While Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, are at each others throats and thus distracted, the true enemy has its way, we all loose and the powers that be win. When President Eisenhower warned of the millitary industrial complex it was because it had seen it in the rise of Nazi Germany where the alliance of the rich industrialists and the and the millitary establishment resulted in ruin and death for millions. Bob is right, the ultra rich are thriving, and rest of us are sinking under the same system, constant warfare at the expense of the rest of the economy, the one that we the people rely on. they care nothing for left or right, only themselves. Those people on here that are constantly at each others throats ideologically, have more in common with each other than with the true masters of the universe. If you dont know your enemy you are truly defenceless.

    • Vicki

      Jeremy Leochner writes:
      “However I want to understand why you say that the the left right paradigm is false when your own columns writers seem to be pushing it so forcefully.”

      Watch the video I linked above. The reason the left/right paradigm is pushed so hard along with why it is false is clearly described.

      Here is the link again so you don’t have to hunt for it.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      The description is in the first minute of the video so you won’t have to wait long. I do recommend that everyone watches all ~10 minutes though.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        My issue is the video does not lay out terms of leftism or rightism. Being on the left does not mean you want more government. Extremes on either side of the political spectrum want more government power for their views and their agendas. What is leftism or rightism. For the sake of argument where is left or right in relation to say conservative or liberal. Being a liberal is often associated with being on the left. Yet liberalism is not based on more government. A right wing extremist government is just as tyrannical as a leftist.

        And Rome did not lose its republic because the government got to powerful. It was lost because individuals like Caesar and Sulla were granted emergency powers to stop invasions and they never gave them up. The problem in Rome wasn’t that the producers were not allowed to keep the fruits of their labor. The problem was the system was built to benefit the wealthy producers at the expense of the poor and less fortunate. That’s why people turned to the gifts of the strong men like sulla. He offered them gifts while the Republic could only offer hope and promises. The enemy is not government. The enemy is bad government.

      • Vicki

        Jeremy writes: “Rome did not lose its republic because the government got to powerful. It was lost because individuals like Caesar and Sulla were granted emergency powers to stop invasions and they never gave them up.”

        And this is different from government getting too powerful how?

        Jeremy writes: “The problem in Rome wasn’t that the producers were not allowed to keep the fruits of their labor. The problem was the system was built to benefit the wealthy producers at the expense of the poor and less fortunate.”

        The video describes exactly what happens to the Roman Republic. The people started taking more than producers (even the wealthy) could produce. (9:00 in the video)

        Jeremy writes: “The enemy is bad government”

        Agreed. And good government is that government which governs least. DaveH has already provide links to a list of governments and their freedom/wealth indexes.

    • libertarian58

      The Hegelian Dialectic explains this perfectly and also why most Americans have fallen victim to it. Understand this marxist principle and you will know why liberty is in grave peril from the two “lefts”.

    • Pete Sagi

      And here’s the real Bob Livingston philosophy … whatever you do, don’t talk about participation in socialistic insecurity … how it is voluntary by law but enforced at a virtual 100% by the private sector, how participation in socialistic insecurity is what incurs liability for income tax for all but a handful of taxpayers, how it not only incurs liability for FICA and federal income tax but also payroll tax, medicare tax, state income tax and local income tax, how it is also what ties people into Obamacare, how in a system of fiat currency none of these taxes finance anything but merely serve as a means of controlling the effects of inflation on the prices of real goods and services, or how without this system, all contingent upon the massive fraud of socialistic insecurity, the parasitic central banking system aka the federal reserve couldn’t survive. No, let’s not discuss the REAL issue, let’s beat around the bush. Better to complain about all of the nonsense going down, but to make sure that you dutifully collect a socialist slavestate number from everyone you hire so that they, too, can pay for their own enslavement. Way to go, Bob!!!!!!!!

      Pete

    • Stuart Shepherd

      Yes! Thank you so much Mr. Livingston. I am one of those who “drifted” to your newsletter knowing I was “conservative” and “libertarian” (in the patriotic sense), but your writings have helped TREMENDOUSLY to clarify thoughts and feelings socio-politically. I believe I would call myself a “Christian Libertarian” and that that is the true Spirit of the Constitution and the New Covenant (with Christ).

    • Kevin Beck

      Jeremy,

      They are not “Bob’s Writers,” as you are espousing; their writings are independent of him and Personal Liberty Digest. The views expressed are those of the individual writers and not some editorial board, and the writings are from other sources not related to Personal Liberty Digest. The fact that some individual writers use the (false) right/left paradigm in their writings is because most people are still subscribing to that line of thinking, and the easiest way to explain some principles is through the use of presenting opposing (ie, opposite) straw-man arguments and knocking down your opponent’s views that way.

      The premise is always presented this way in politics because most people believe the views of Democrats and Republicans are different. But there are usually more than two sides to every issue, and the other viewpoints are smothered by the filters of the news. This is why national issues are always presented in terms of left vs right, and Democrat vs Republican; it is a way of squashing independent voices.

      As an example, during the Republican prmary season, the entire race was presented as “Mitt Romney vs Somebody Else.” Romney was presented with the advantage because he was the runner-up four years earlier. He was also the only candidate given overall favorable coverage by the lamestream media; everyone else was presented as “too conservative” (Santorum), “too wacky to have a national following” (Paul) or “too confrontational” (Gingrich). As such, Romney was always presented as the favorite choice, especially by most of the media coverage.

      But is he the opposite of Obama? Consider these points:

      Obamacare: Romney says he will “lead a movement to repeal and replace” Obamacare. But replace it with…what? Is he going to propose a DIFFERENT program, nationwide in scope, to replace a program that he authored the blueprint for, and signed into law when he was a governor?

      The Federal Reserve “buying” of government debt: Has he opposed this? Not to my knowledge, or at least not publicly.

      Overseas wars in countries that don’t matter to our nation’s security, like Egypt, Libya and Syria: Romney has supported each of these in the Republican debates, and we know from the evidence where Obama stands on these, since he initiated these wars without any Congressional approval.

      Getting government further away from business: Romney has not (yet) said that the marketplace is where winners and losers are chosen. He may oppose direct bailouts, but if (as President) he directs spending in the direction of purchasing for the feds to favored businesses, isn’t this the same thing?

      I didn’t expect this to be such a long reply, but I think this covers all the issues about why the right/left political paradigm doesn’t exist. I think it also tells why there are many articles that still present this as something that does exist.

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      Gee… I thought Left Was Western U.S. & Right was Eastern U.S.

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