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How Did America Come To A State of Collapse In The Economic And Social Order?

July 9, 2012 by  

How Did America Come To A State of Collapse In The Economic And Social Order?
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Many politicians are greedy psychopaths. They go to Washington for prestige, payola and privilege; and they retire rich.

National politicians need to be stripped of all special privilege and, most especially, reduced to one term. This would bring a new day to America.

U.S. Representatives and Senators represent the government — not the American people. Washington politicians and their elite handlers are working overtime to initiate action on legislation to give the government the legislative authority to shut down the Internet. The pretext is the threat of a cyberattack on the whole country. This is only an excuse to stop Americans from communicating and protesting when the financial system collapses and the government can no longer sell its bonds.

Because of the broad exposure of political corruption on the Internet, politicians and bureaucrats are feeling the heat. They want censorship and the power to shut it down. The Internet is the first good thing that has happened in the United States to shine the light on a corrupt system.

As long as the political system is viewed by the American people as having two parties, elections will be manipulated and the people will be deceived. This is an absurd front for what Americans believe to be a two-party political system. It covers fraud and helps charlatans and psychopaths cling to power. But the reality is that everybody is wearing the same hat with a different color.

The powers that be will hold and protect their fiat paper system until it collapses. They will never relinquish their power and lifestyle to a new gold standard and a drastically cut Federal government. The U.S. government has spent itself and the people into bankruptcy. Now the government is eyeing the $3 trillion in retirement funds held by Americans. The government will most likely force the retirement funds to invest in long-term government bonds. This will be the same as confiscation.

As paper money collapses, the quest for revenue by government as well as by the people intensifies. Even with printing presses wide open, government is in deficit and looking for money everywhere it can find it. The world is crumbling, and the economy is being strangled by government.

Career politicians now have the identical interests of the elite. Our wealth is seen as their solution. It is easy for politicians to manipulate the food stamp crowd against the “rich.”

Since politicians have a parasite mentality, they are naturally attracted to creating class warfare. They manipulate the people against each other, causing political and social unrest as excuses for more suppression of the people.

Under a national craze and imagined threat of terrorists, we give up our liberties to the state, which is Nazism under a modern front. There is no situation in history when government reversed course prior to economic and social collapse. Instead, government uses its military to attack its own people in order to retain power. Why the sudden need to authorize the U.S. military to operate domestically to “weed out terrorists?”

We note that in recent months Warren Buffett, Charlie Munger and Bill Gates have made public statements against gold. Do these elite billionaires perceive a threat to their fiat empires from a gold-awaking American people? Do they not know the fragile state of the economy and that the Fed is now “financing” government debt by “buying” its own bonds? Debtors are now simultaneous creditors. There is only make-believe value in this black magic. It reminds me of the old folk song “I’m My Own Grandpa.”

From now forward, there will be more of a direct attack on the wealth of U.S. citizens. Without an increase in production, vast new taxes will destroy the economy while the cost of government rises exponentially. All the while, the worldwide time bomb of unfunded entitlements will continue to tick away. In fact, the whole population has lost its work ethic in favor of a growing sense of entitlement. The food-stamp base is swelling like a plague.

What Can You Do Now As An American Citizen?

The first answer is to recognize and realize that the government with all of its propaganda and police power is at war with the American people. The fact that most Americans are totally oblivious to all-out war against their savings and retirement assets doesn’t change a thing.

Governments always silently make war on their own citizens behind a propaganda front so as to alert as few people as possible. The less resistance there is the better.

One of the fastest ways to clear the mental fog is to realize that the two-party political system is a fallacy. Both parties are working toward a common goal. Anyone clinging to the illusion will be deceived to his grave.

America has become a fascist state, and the whole Congress supports the agenda of the state. Any dissent is frivolous and transparent.

We can turn the clock back toward human liberty by doing one simple thing: limiting the terms of Representatives and Senators to just one, with no pensions. Also, they should be subject to the same Social Security limitations and receive the same medical benefits as the American people! There should be no special privilege associated with elected office.

The powerful, the rich and well-connected politicians in America all use the dysfunctional political system and the money-printing central banks to their every advantage. The U.S. reckless system has created an enormous economic and political mess. The scene now reminds one of vultures flocking around a carcass.

Nothing can or will be corrected now. All that anyone in power can suggest now is more money printing. There are no financial answers and there are no political reforms on the table, so politicians will continue to postpone meaningful reforms, which will lead us to the final crisis. More than ever, the present system is doomed. It is only a matter of recognizing what is happening and preparing to survive.

I am still accumulating silver coins, as I believe that they will have high exchange and barter value in the near months to come. I sincerely hope that all of you will do the same.

I fear that investors and savers may no longer have access to their accounts and funds during the ultimate crash. Silver coins dated before 1964 will look awfully good in your possession.

Also, my friends, please don’t be surprised if the government implements measures of some form of increased financial repression or expropriation. Many people will wind up much poorer than they are now. I am sorry to give you this sad information, but my vast reading and study confirm it. And if you cover the amount of material that I do, you will come to the same conclusion.

There is a better day coming if the good people prevail and seize power after the crash. There are now millions of people who know the critical situation in America. As America goes, so goes the world this time. But next time, the leadership may well pass to China. America has been sold out and hollowed out. What is left is an impoverished people and economic depression.

The U.S. authorities know full well the shock potential of the social order in the United States. They are buying time with food stamps and all sorts of cash payments.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Big Woody

    Bob, Your article is pretty much on target except I do not believe a one term limit would benifit the people. Imagine there is a junior Senator from, lets say Illinois, is totally corrupt and owned by people even more corrupt. If this protege of the Illinois mob is carismatic enough to get elected as a Senator in DC or even President. How much damage could that person do if he knows he is not going to have to face reelection. Lame Duck from day one. Our past Presidents that have had control of both houses have been ruthless in their attacks on our liberties. A guaranteed term limit would give even more of them no consciense what so ever. I do however agree with one of the posts that we make our Congressmen employees of the States.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      One, or even a few evil people alone would not be able to pressure the majority to go along. Their power comes from building alliances over the years. Term limits would be one step in the right direction.

      • Big Woody

        Nancy, Have you not been paying attention to the last 3 administrations in DC? Clinton signed NAFTA and other “free trade agreements” sending thousnads of our skilled jobs offshore.
        Bush dumped the Patriot Act on us and with the help of a Democratic Congress put us into a financial tailspin (unjustified wars)and signed more free trade agreements, sending even more of our jobs off shore. And Obama is sending even more jobs offshore and thinks he can spend our way out of the damage done by the New World Order fanatics. Clinton was an unknown before he ran for Pres. In the backlash against his immoral conduct, we went for Bush, another obscure govenor that most had only heard of because of his father. Now we have Obama, a very obscure Senator from Illinois that has a lot of very questionable people and activities in his background that has only compounded the folly of previous administrations. All 3 of these people have had the support of so called divided Congresses in stripping away our rights as they are guaranteed in the Constitution. Nobady really is saying who is the power behind each of them. Yet we the peolle blame each other instead of paying attention to what THEY in DC are doing to us.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I believe that you are making my point. In the current system, the individual can’t be effective. It doesn’t matter which party is in power, it is the power itself that impels things forward. If you removed that power, the power that the senators and congressmen develop over time you might have true representation in government. There would be no incentive to build up power that expires before it can be used.

  • Downs1

    “Everyone did that which was right in his own eyes.” History repeats itself, and we don’t learn from history. The writer of Ecclesiastes said, “There is nothing new under the sun.” But that’s from the Bible, and everyone knows “there is no God.” Really? Every nation that believed in God and obeyed His Word was successful, until the people decided to go their own way. God said,”Without Me you can do nothing” and that is absolutely true. Every one of those nations went down in ignominy. The United States of America is no different. We have turned away from the precepts that made us the great nation we were. We will not get back to that state until we return to God as a nation. There are those among us who will do everything they can to prevent that from happening. Why? Because those godly precepts stood against such things as homosexuality, lying, promiscuity, slothfulness, greed, arrogance and racism. Political dominance, a strong military and scientific preminence will not be enough to make us great. They do not change the heart, and the truth is, “the heart of man is exceedingly wicked, who can understand it?” That wickedness is self-destructive. Watch! We are already seeing the results of our folly!

    • cawmun cents

      Well stated.
      -CC.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      You speak the truth. We are headed for destruction because we as a country, have turned our backs on GOD. All we have left is to pray.

    • nc

      Downs. why should we ‘return” to a God who throughout history has continued to “make” ( he “makes” all things) homosexuals, liars and racist for “his” people to fight and lose their “precious’ lives over?? I was taught as a child that he was an all powerful God who made and controlled everything! Were my teachers right or wrong?? and the reason they gave was “because that is what they were taught by other humans”! Why medicine if God wants you to die you die! Right??? No?? How do YOU KNOW the “TRUTH” if OTHER Christians don’t KNOW the SAME ‘TRUTH”.
      A DIFFERENT CHURCH ON EVERY CORNER in the Bilbe Belt WHERE ONLY THE “TRUTH” SHALL SET YOU FREE.

      REMINDS ME OF AN OLD MAHELIA ( SIC) JACKSON (AMERICAS GREATEST VOICE EVER) GOSPEL SONG “STANDING HERE WONDERING WHICH WAY TO GO”——- SO MUCH CONFUSION IN THIS WORLD BELOW!
      COULD BE HIS MUSLIM CHILDREN MIGHT HAVE THE ANSWER! OR THE CHURCH YOU LEFT BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T LIKE THE PREACHER OR HIS WIFE!

      WHO THE H*LL REALLY KNOWS???
      SINCE WE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY LETS GET TOGEHER AND FIX THE PROBLEMS AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, YOUR GOD WILL AGREE!

  • voteright2012

    I fully agree with Mr. Livingston. This whole downtrend started with the 16th & 17th Amendments to the Constitution. The 16th Amendment gave an unlimited taxing power to the Politicians, so much so that even the evil Obamacare became law as a tax but could not pass muster under the commerce clause. The 17th Amendment started the way to putting and unlimited amount of money into the Political Process and thereby putting an unlimited amount of money into the Politicians pockets. I am convinced that if the popular election of Senators by the 17th Amendment had not been in place Obama would never have become Senator and then President. Changing these two amendments is a long drawn out process that would have to be initiated the very same Politicians who benefit from the current system; and they will not do that. Defeating every Senator, and Congressman/Congresswoman for re-election would send a very strong message.

  • Dave67

    The right believe nothing is worth doing unless you can make a buck. Citizens United opened the floodgates of dirty money into the process. Politicians can still leave Congress and go right into lobbying.

    At least Obama passed the law, outlawing Congressional Insider trading but we need to go farther. To make Gov responsive to the people we need to:

    1) Limit political contributions to $50 by any person or group to any candidate or party
    2) Forbid Congress people from going into lobbying for 10 years after they leave Congress.
    3) Congress needs to adhere to all laws they pass for the rest of us which includes the HC law.
    4) No political advertising until 6 months before the elections and to have 1 TV station and 1 radio station and each market in the country dedicated to political ads so it takes minimum dollars to get out your political message
    5) Get rid of the FEC
    6) No money from foreign contributors or groups representing foreign interests allowed.
    7) Anytime we go to war, a draft will be put in place which will include the sons and daughters of politicians (Iraq style wars will be less likely)

    Implement these changes and I believe we can put this country back on the right track.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      You say, the right believe that nothing is worth doing unless you can make a buck. You just made that up! It’s a total lie! I am definitely on the right and I spent twenty years volunteering in my kids schools. I worked 4-5 days a week approximately 3-5 hours a day. I never received a buck. I taught children how to read. I taught them math. I taught them keyboarding. I set up the entire art program for all of the kindergarten classes. I selected a project, gathered all of the materials and taught the class (with other volunteers so the teacher could have a break). I did testing with them. I corrected papers and put up bulletin boards. I never received more than a thank you brunch and the good feeling of knowing that I’d helped others. Most of the people I volunteered with we’re like minded people. So you should stop making up lies!

      We adopted our niece (a drug baby with lots of problems). We never received one buck of assistance. We received no foster care payments for the three years before we adopted her. We spent thousands of dollars to adopt her. And we have spent thousands getting her the help she has needed over the years. No bucks for us and we are definitely on the right! But we would like to keep a little more of our own money to help out the people we choose to help.

      You say that obummer passed a law to stop congressional insider trading. What you neglect to mention is that the bill originated in the congress but only after 60 Minutes did an exposé to tell the American people what was going on. They were shamed into doing it and it had nothing to do with obummer other than he signed it!

      You should stop lying and making things up!!!

      • Dave67

        Nancy, nice resume… I commend the work you do with children and I also have two children I adopted through great expense (funny the conservative “family values” crowd do precious little to make adoption more affordable). You failed to mention my points… Obama, if he is such a danger to the country, why would he sign a law such as insider trading if as you say, he is part of the “evil” liberal establishment? Isn’t 60 Minutes part of the liberal elite media?

        Your beliefs about liberalism is slowing being peeled away.

  • http://google mick

    thessalonian 3:10
    if a man will not work, he will not eat. Simple huh?

    • nc

      Mick, and when he wants to work and WAS working until little bush became president and he lost his job and the company went out of business but he still wants to work, what does he do? Another question is what do the Christians do who read other parts of the Bible where Jesus offers instructions as to what they must do for those less fortunate???
      Looks to me that food stamps are doing what Jesus taught since the Christina Right won’t!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Jesus wants individuals (not the government) to help one another when a person really needs help. He never expected one group of people to permanently financially support another group of people. Everyone needs to find a way to support themselves. If a person loses their job, they cannot expect others to support them indefinitely. They need to take any job(s) they can get, sell their belongings and downgrade. That’s just the way it is. I saw a show on tv last week about people who had lost their jobs. Until all of their benefits ran out they were unwilling to take a job that was below them. They kept their mansions, Cadillacs and SUVs. They showed up at the welfare offices and food pantries in their big fancy cars. Now, if a person has divested themselves of ALL of their assets and they still need help I don’t mind helping them. But Jesus didn’t mean for us to give to those who have more than we do. Jesus would want those people to take care of themselves. The truly needy used to be helped by neighbors and churches. Once the government took over and started giving money to everyone it has been difficult to distinguish the truly needy from the truly lazy. I say stop taking our money and giving it to those who can take care of themselves. Then we would have it to give to those that we know are truly needy. Charity should be up to the individual, not the government. All people should be expected to support themselves. Your not doing anyone a favor by allowing them to live off of others.

      • Don_in_DC

        nc you are obviously a liberal but some of your ideas are ok. Yes people should help each other, not use the government to do it. Food stamps is not the way to do it even if you think it does your Christian bidding. It is your choice to follow Christian ideals and you should take it upon yourself to offer aid to those people. There is nothing in government that should be linked to religion. Religion is what you learned to make you capable to handle government…it isn’t the mandate for government. Here is why.

        Government can’t do anything without using force to do it. If they make a law then they have to enforce that law. I don’t care how noble the intentions are it is done by force. It isn’t fair for you to take my money to execute your religious ideals because I may not share them. What you can force is that the money is worth something because it is related. Morality is what guides that instrument of evil. If you mix the two then you end up with a weapon to inflict morality. That is what creates Hitler, Mao, etc. They enforced their religion and punished those that disagreed. You can choose to believe in the purple sky giant for all I care and if I disagree government should be there to protect your freedom not mandate it. Government is a very blunt instrument and can’t be expected to operate with finesse. Those expectations are unrealistic. It’s very design is supposed to apply the same logic to all citizens therefore it can’t pick and choose.

        Think of it like this, it’s a nuclear bomb in a sense. When you drop a nuclear bomb on a city you can’t pick and choose who it kills, it kills everyone. That is exactly what you want it to do. You want government to apply the rules that apply to everyone the same way. This is our central government. As government gets more personal (smaller groups and such) then it can have the ability to bring in morality. My state, my county, my district, my neighborhood…as these get smaller then you can use more morality. You can’t do this at the central level because you don’t know my individual needs. If my neighbor is guilty of a crime you can’t drop your bomb on the city to kill everyone, something more refined needs to target that. Now if the locals can’t work it out then you can arbitrate. Apply that blunt instrument in a way to be fair to all and you will have achieved your purpose. You can’t steal my local money and pay someone else far away in the name of your morality. That is abuse.

        Government is there to ensure EVERYONE the same freedoms. If you want to implement something in your region and majority there agrees then do it. If you go too far then another region will offer better incentives and you will lose people. If the neighbor state charges too much in taxes you have the freedom to not live there…but in our present system you don’t. If the neighboring area is doing something wrong the federal government is taking resources from all and allocating them all over. If you think I am wrong I suggest an experiment…take 5 states and take them out from under the federal government EXCEPT for ensuring that they can’t limit freedom. So lets say Texas is one of those 5, Texas can’t do anything like killing people for religion or whatever. Now Texas doesn’t have to pay income tax or any of the other charges for the federal government. You will be left with 5 states that can control their finances and implement their laws. By the end of 2013 lets see how many people have moved to those 5 states and how well the other 45 states are doing.

    • Dick

      aah, mick, you’re an idealist, I see. Fine in an ideal world, just like state communism, anarchism or any other ism. Some people, faced with not being able to eat, would do anything other than work, like steal food from and kill those who do have food. You wouldn’t want to live there. The real world is a bit more difficult and complicated than your prescription allows for.

  • nc

    Mr. Livingston, how long will it take to make a third party’s 4% (max.) into at least 34%(min.) to win a Presidential election and gain the veto power to have any control? Two life times? Or one armed revolution which they must win or die for 5 life times?

    It takes more money to provide an effective government for 320 million people than it did for 50 million, 100 million or 200 million! We have never and must never be a country that lets our children and old people and people who want to work and can’t find work starve in the streets! Can a third party who wants to end taxes and greatly reduce the size of government guarantee that? Not with all of the personally HOARDED gold or silver of it’s PARTY MEMBERS FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSE!
    How much will they donate to abate the strife of others? Enough?? Really?? My guess they will keep the gold and sliver and learn to live with the stench of the dying!
    I had rather deal with the problems with just two parties than depend on the kindness of a third party that preaches hoarding and reducing the size of the government to some 18th century level! We have been there and done that!
    What we need is the co-operation of the 1990s when people had jobs, no great wars and an economy that was providing for the needs of the nation! Only an anarchist would have found fault with our country during that time! We weren’t perfect BUT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN PERFECT! JUST NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD!!

    WE DON’T NEED NO STINKING THIRD PARTY! WE JUST NEED ANOTHER “GREATEST GENERATION’ WHEN WE “GOT ER DONE” TOGETHER!

  • Robert

    Anyone that watches television now days can’t help but be aware of all the ” Buy Gold Now ” commercials. Just one thing to keep in mind. We all know that Obama often mentions FDR and speaks of him. FDR at one time during his administration made it illegal for private ownership of gold. Just something to keep in mind. Obama is capable of some very sneaky and under handed actions with his executive orders. I personally don’t have to worry about it because like many others I can’t afford to buy gold or silver. With millions on food stamps in this country I doubt seriously that there will be very many ex-working class members that can buy gold, that is unless they take EBT cards (food stamps).

  • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

    As usual, Mr. Livingston is right on target. Unfortunately a huge segment of society at this time is living off of government entitlements. The whole mess we are in needs to crash and burn.

    I’ve gotta get to the office. Hope everyone has a great day.

  • abimanu mathoorasing

    This is an eye opener and I am glad to be forewarned.What a fantastic letter to alert Americans not to be the losers, as opposed to those in the Congress.Thank you.

  • Ted Crawford

    What might we gain if we were to take it on with smaller, simpler( not to be construed as ‘easier’ ) bites? For example how much more power would be returned to the People by the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment ?

  • jake

    limit all to 2 terms, just like the president. at least they cant rob us too much.

    • Ted Crawford

      It’s my belief that we gleen better results by reducing Congressional mandates, not by creating even more! Term limits should be, in my opinion, a factor of the ballot box!

  • roger gunderson

    I understand why a person would want to be a politician in Washington; because of the big money, free insurance, and lots of other benefits. But why would they want to run our country into financial ruin when it affects their own family, children, grandchildren,friends, and why try for power when they will sooner or later be out of office. Its not like a some other countries where a person is working their way towards a dictatorship.

    • Don_in_DC

      Roger, you ask why politicians are willing to sacrifice the future for immediate luxury…well there are a couple of reasons. Most humans are willing to accept immediate gratification even with the threat of future problems…it is our nature. There are many cliches…would you rather drive the train or be run over by it? Another idea is that you are alive now but maybe you won’t be in the future. The part I find interesting is that most people have this idea that politicians are innocent before they get to DC and then selfish bastards once they arrive. I still think most politicians enter into the game with the idea to try and help society. The problem is the view on power. Without power they cannot enact change so they are willing to try and sacrifice to get power with the hope they can ultimately change the world as they see fit. Then like everyone else they age and they have to weigh their ideals against pragmatism in how to best support their families. They can’t beat “the man” so they focus on trying to preserve whatever they can in this life as far as survival. These same ideals are shared by most people in the world. People are arrogant, immoral, selfish and short-sided.

      Most of those that complain are guilty of exactly what they complain about. The politician for them is the symbol to despise that represents their own shortcomings. Some are guilty of blatant abuse but most are only guilty of not changing the system they are a part of because they can’t. Often they make the best choice as it applies to them at a given time. If you would do different then enter into the race.

      Politicians have two agendas. One is a personal desire to promote their morality and ideas, the second is to represent others. In most cases I think they push for the 2nd agenda and then use the first when it is overpowering or there is no clear vote to fit the constituents. It isn’t really directly related to the money or insurance any more than those apply to your search for a job.

      We all use our talents to provide our survival and we will have many failures along the way. We all are guilty of the same moral flaws we criticize in others.

  • jerryo

    Sorry to say it appears that a collapse of the system is the only way that may wake up some of the people to think for them-selfs, and not follow the corrupt media. It’s the MEDIA STUPID that’s where the problem started they let there guard down and let the people down.

  • Warrior

    Bob, I think your article “nails it”! Although, I also believe there are several members from 2010 class that still have principles and could use the “peoples” help in Nov.

  • Charlie Tall

    We can have the best of both worlds by passing a simple amendment making Senators and Representatives employees of the states they represent rather than Federal employees as they are now.

    The Supreme Court has ruled that neither Senators nor Representatives can be recalled by their states because once elected THEY NO LONGER WORK FOR THE STATE! They are no longer responsible to the people they supposedly represent.

    You like your Senator? Good, He’ll be the same guy if he works for your state instead of the Federal leviathan, except that he will listen to you and your needs rather than to his own or the Fed’s.

    Want term limits? Okay, pass them at the state level.

    Tired of Congressional privilege? Send your man to Washington with orders to end it, and if he doesn’t, fire him.

    Pay these parasites from the state treasury. Give them the same pension a state trooper or license clerk receives based on their total years of employment.

    In other words, if they are state employees, the states can do whatever they want with them. Heh, heh, heh.

    • Power To The People

      Great point….this is something that coupled with term limits and a balanced budget amendment would go a long ways to reining in some of the corruption…..just some of it.

    • Hey you

      Charlie’s idea is probably one of the very valid ideas. But, like most good ideas, will probably die.

      Anyway, why are not the states fully independent entities? There is little sense in living with a bloated, over demanding central government.

      • Dick

        if the states were fully independent, there wouldn’t be a US Army, or a place called America. There would be fifty little countries, probably spending most of their time and effort arguing with each other, and they would have much less influence and power in the world. You wouldn’t like it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      You may be on to something here Charlie. I know that this idea sure sounds good to me. I suspect other folks would back this idea without hesitation.

  • Nick

    Term limits and get rid of the income tax and we take over the world in 10 years…again

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    The goal of the apostles of utopian socialism is to create dependency faster than the real workers can become aware of their plot…however, socialism is its worst enemy…the toxic results of socialist policies inflict personal pain which determines elections…and trumps bold lies, distractions, demons and smears…the tactics that MUST be used when selling the fire of socialism to the scarecrows (voters of a nation).

    All overtly corrupt in congress have “served” (lol) 12 years or more so that should be the term…and a year’s salary when you leave…NO pension…NO special gym, NO coddling with HCare we cannot get, NO insider trading, NO raises unless put on the ballot every 4 years, NO “not voting” or voting “present” w/o penalty (we sent them to congress to vote) and so on. Some feeble start was made in Nov 2010 when 730 democrats got sent home in a record hammering BUT all those 20-45 year “service” fossils must be sent home in both Parties. This November is critical to saving the core of America.

    • cawmun cents

      Uh…I hate to be the bearer of bad news,but you left out an entire thought concerning the word”grooming”.The problem that you will find with your sentiments about giving them 12 years and then kicking them out,is that they will merely start”grooming”someone to replace them while they are in office.
      Everything else will seem as if it is on the up and up,but in reality when you vote you will get brand A,and Brand B,both of which are basically the same,with varying talking points.
      In fact that is exactly what we face today.
      What needs to be done is to expose the cancer that is progressivism.
      Then to take steps to cut it out of the body politic.That is our only chance at survival of the fittest.As it stands right now the progressive is the fittest to compete in our societal collage of cultural clicks.We must undergo extensive re-education to purge this evil from our midst,otherwise face annihilation from within.This cannot and will not happen overnight or by a series of elections as some assume.Rather it must happen as stealthily as it occured within the populace,in the institutions of learning.
      It remains to be understood by many that the removal of God from our educational system has made this feat nearly impossible.
      But since God was replaced by comfort and entertainment,there will be a backlash of denial that this is the condition which causes the malaise.Therefore understand that it is the progressive and his/her ideology that he/she can control the environment,that is being ushered forth to take Gods place in our halls of Legislation.
      Of course they can no more control the environment than they can control gang violence or criminal behavior,but they bring with them the illusion that they can do so.They have brainwashed the populace into believeing their false pretenses,and have made certain that the scientific community goes along with it.
      (You cant get grants from gubments unless you perform to their standards.)
      Good luck with the 12 year deal,but I think you will find that boardroom lawyers have already found a way around these things.

      Cheers!
      -CC.

      • Michael J.

        cawmun cents,
        I do not believe a fix for our problems will come from the top, down.
        Evidence of such is the eager Tea Party representatives elected and sent to Congress to effect change, but instead have been turned to the dark side by either bribary, blackmale or have contracted lock-jaw as a result of being shown the Zabruder Tape.

        Progressive momentum has grown too powerful to be overcome by conventional means. The present election cycle is aimed at preserving the elitist status qou and the illusion of voter control, we have already lost. Like Bob Said, the vultures hover silenty above awaiting the carcasses last quiverings.

    • nc

      Reelman, you are about to kill the Golden Geese of Conservatism! These term limits will do just that if the Koch Brothers have to buy new conservative senators every 6 years and Representatives ever 2-4 years! Do you have any idea what a well schooled conservative Senator costs?? Do you know how to make a conservative senator! You take any Alabama Republican and kick his brains out!

  • Rasta

    Blah de Blah Blah Blah! More gloom and doom from The Chicken Little Society.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      None are more hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

      • nc

        Mark, how free are those trapped in the conspiracies that exist only in their minds?
        I would rather have a “shaky” freedom that a paranoid mind!

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        I am replying to myself because there is no way to post below to NC. Hey NC…first you have to have a mind, which it appears you are missing.

      • chester

        Hate to tell you this, Mark, but you have as little mind as any you accuse of having none. If you are bound in your fears, you have no freedom. Truthfully, if you are afraid of every breeze that blows because you think it might carry an unstoppable germ, then you have no life. Take a good look in the mental institutes, such of them as are left, and see what is done with true paranoids. Not a pretty sight.

  • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

    Yes Congress is corrupt, but MY Congressman is OK! Words to die by!!

    • BigBadJohn

      true enough if you do not pay attention to how that congressman votes.

      I write my congressman and both senators whenever I have a problem with policy.

      My congressmen usually votes or has voted the way I would want him to vote (except for congressional pay raises etc)

      BOTH senators are usually on the wrong side in my opinion. One is democrat and one is republican. The biggest difference is the democrat at least responds to me (ya I know really an aid), the republican has never even acknowledged that he received a letter from me. Non responsive representation is the WORST in my opinion.

  • http://BobLivingston Judith Loftus

    This is not a Constitution for the people anymore! It’s going to be a horror story for the future, all because of greed in the government.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      The problem with the constitution is that there is no way for we the people to actually enforce it. That is until it is totally ignored and the people rise up in mass with arms to oust the bastards who swear to uphold it. My son has a remedy that I like…He said what needs to be done is an enforcement clause needs to be added that says anyone who violates their oath of office no longer has the protection of law on their very life. So if the President violates his oath of office anyone would be able to shoot him and not be tried for a crime. It would have to be a blatant violation that millions would see. That way he will have the threat of death over him if he were to violate it. Same with any and all elected “officials, and even down to the unelected bureaucrats as well as the local police. Think that would work?

      • Don_in_DC

        Technically we do sort of have that, it would be treason and that is punishable by death. Would need to clarify the terms a bit I guess.

        BTW Mark I like your posts that I have seen here. Good grasp of the problems with humanity without it being just a “I hate anyone that thinks different” idea as most posters do. Well done!

      • jerryn

        There is another, less violent way to the truth.
        All we need is an Attorney General and a Judge who believe there is no difference between a campaign contribution and a Bribe. That way both parties can be convicted and removed from the embarassing system we just wink at now.
        Once we cut off the Bribery money flow, the system of graft wil collapse on itself. Most politicians are chickens and will run from the field rather than be exposed.

        Sounds too simple? Think about it, read the definition of bribery,
        Nobody has the guts to enforce the law – it will only take one.

    • Rasta

      Yeah let’s throw it out and adopt the Loftus Rules.

  • Nottakenyan

    Washington, DC is America’s cesspool for liars, whores, and thieves!!!

    • nc

      Nottaken, and Democrats!!

    • Don_in_DC

      DC metro area has about 6.5 million people, how many of those are politicians? I’m willing to bet its well under .001%.

      You might want to cut the generalizations just a tad.

  • Moby49

    As if China was in any better state than the US. Me, I am accumulating food seeds and alcohol. Much better barter than silver.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Alcohol for wound care or drinking? No doubt the kind for drinking will be a great barter item for all those who want to drown their sorrows. However you will be contributing to lots of violence as they get drunk and want to let out their hostilities. As for food seeds? Good idea, but you also have to have a place to plant them. Many city folks have a postage stamp sized yard. They also have a spoilage date. Most seeds will not last for more than 5 years. And those seed vaults can get quite pricey.

      • cawmun cents

        You can keep your slver and gold Mark Are……
        I’ll do my trade with the seed and booze store,and the bartering system.
        Something to the effect that folks will toss their gold in the streets…..I heard that somewhere.

        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        silver and gold ARE barter. And it doesn’t rot away. And as for your statement about gold and silver…where did you read that? In Grimm’s fairy tales? Oh, sorry, you read it in the “Bible” the source of all “truth”. Gag me with a place setting.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    If we get rid of these corrupted officals it would be a good day for america.

    • carson lauffer

      How many days before the new group was corrupted?

      • steve

        amen to that.

      • sj

        If we had a one term limit there would be far less time for politicians to become corrupted. The problem as I see it is getting the vampires to drive the stake.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        A term limit is commendable, but better yet, LEARN how to discern who is not corruptible, but already corrupted. Don’t vote people into office more than once when they lie to you about what they will do and then flip flop. PERIOD. Don’t vote anyone in that uses their position to make “laws” that strip you of freedom. There should be NO LAWS ON THE BOOKS unless there is a victim involved. That would eliminate THOUSANDS of laws. The rule of thumb is this…IF there was no government, could I commit this act without damaging another in his life, liberty or property. If the answer is yes, then there can be no law against it.

      • TIME

        Dear Mark,

        Now thats some note worthy idea’s within your post.

        Saddly people go with “Name Brand Recognition” as it makes it so much more easy for them!

        Not unlike the “SOUND BITE” thinking patterns used by 90% plus of the population.

        Just like old Mittie stated the other day: Well OMEN care has been vetted by the SCOTUS, so its now the Law, so it’s the Law now!
        And we just have to work with it.
        Its a TAX, and thats ok; as its a TAX and thats what the SCOTUS stated its a TAX. So its now legal and its the law and its a TAX!

        And thats what people have to VOTE for! Or the 44th OMEN who has proven to be a Great CEO for the US Inc’s interest, but saddly the People on the people farm its been hell in a hand bag for.
        Both were picked By – the real masters of the world, then the mass media – who JFTR – are all owned by the very same Real Masters – sells the JUNK to the mindless sheep who then take that bag of waste material and VOTE in the Cult Of Personality Poll!

        Saddly Mark a 10 second span thats what 95% of the people have, and BTW – thats not something new -its as old as TIME its self.

        Can we ever hope to fix the problems?
        Well, its a really nice thought some of us even like to think that its possible.
        Saddly I fear, BTW thats my opinion based on what I now understand and clearly see – that very soon this nation with even its form of alledged Libertys / Freedoms is not far from its grave.
        I just finished reading the US Army manual for quelling unrest on American soil, its not pretty, BTW this is the new one that goes with the NDAA passed 12/31 2011, and the PA passed 12/ 2001.

        So in conclusion just How sad is it that a nation such as this was preverted so quickly as to take it back into the dark ages – yet all the while the useful idiots thinking that they are PROGRESSING forward.

        You just can’t make this stuff up!

        Peace and Love

    • wandamurline

      It would seem that we would have to leave a message that we no longer accept this….first by downsizing the federal government to about half its size, the second to stop the benefit packages these pukes enjoy …. their retirements dumped into social security and they can be paid as their bosses are paid, and it ain’t much. Then they can enjoy Obamacare like the rest of us if it is not repealed. They should never be exempt from laws that they pass for us….if they pass the law, then they are in it, no exemption. Take away the benies and stop the lobbyists and soon the entire system will change because it will no longer be financially beneficial to them. The same would go for the illegals in this country….stop the benefits, they will leave and the ones who do not would be paying for themselves.

      • Janet

        I fully agree with you, We must stand together and get rid of all the corrupt people that are on their way to destroying our America. Wake up everyone and face the facts, they are right in front of your face. Stop listening to Obama’s lies, don’t get suckered into voting for him again, get out of your denial box and help save America.

      • don

        these people are refered to as our leaders how did the original constitution say they were supposed to b. it was something like representitives of the people. i don’t think it was written as them being our leaders who control and regulate us. i think i read somewhere their salaries in congress are some where around 150,000 dollars a year with furnished health care and a generous pension of abut 100000 dollars a year. what does the average man get. a couple of years ago they said the average wage was $15.00 an hr. our government came up with 401k,iras and companies were trying to get rid of pensions. where do our so called representitives deserve so much right along withe all the bribes they take from lobbeists. they need reduce down to the level of the common man. buy their own health insurance a wage competitive with the people they supposedly represent, and 401k or ira like the forced on the country. seems every one of them are set before they take office. why do they need more. maybe to belong to the 1% club. why don’t we go back to our roots. we would probly not be in teh mess they have made. they say there is going to be another federal debt extension again. if it does’nt pass the usa could default. don’t thesr dumb asses realize you go too far you fall.

  • GALT

    Why would it pass to China……..they are in even worse shape? It’s nice to know the present system is DOOMED…….now all you have to tell us is……What does the present system consist of?

    “A man must live by his work, and his wages must be at least enough to maintain him.
    They must even on most occasions be somewhat more: otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family and the RACE of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.”

    Does your extensive reading include any of the following?

    The Social Conquest of Earth
    Debt: The First 5000 Years.
    Power Inc.
    Extreme Money
    The Great Divergence
    Economic’s Unmasked
    Too Much Magic
    Fool me Twice
    The Long Emergency

    This may help answer the question regarding the nature of the “present system”,
    as well as………what would be required of “government” to “secure” that “unalienable
    right to life.”?

    • steve

      how about reading the BIBLE if you want the truth.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        Let me see…Do you believe the BIBLE? Well if you do, here is a good one for you…Jesus just tells everyone: (Luke 6:27-36)[27] “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [28] bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [29] If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. [30] Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. [31] Do to others as you would have them do to you. [32] “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ do that. [34] And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even ‘sinners’ lend to ‘sinners,’ expecting to be repaid in full. [35] But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [36] Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. And then a few sentences later says “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” -Luke 19:27…Hmmmm…sounds like either a major contradiction or possibly Christianity is a VERY VIOLENT religion that wants to kill Muslims. I think that it is a violent religion. Just look at what has been done in the name of it since it was “revealed”. ME? I’ll take Thomas Paine’s religion any day over ALL the worlds revealed religions…THE WORLD is my COUNTRY, MANKIND are my brothers and TO DO GOOD is my religion. Trash the rest.

      • TIME

        Dear Steve,

        Really? Do you really think thats the whole story?
        Do you really believe that in 568 AD the Roman Senate was not able to twist and rework the books used to form the “Modern Cannon?”

        How about, during the period of TIME from then to the Dark AGES?
        Are you aware that the vast amount of people on earth could not read, nor write during these periods of TIME, – 5000 BC – 1800 AD.

        Ever read the translation of the Book of Thomas? How strange is it that the Book of Thomas has much more clear intel, so why was it not used again in the “Roman Empires Cannon?”

        Keep in mind that at the TIME – {Thomas was the Scientst in The Christ crew of 12 followers,} yet his words were tossed to the side like a cold wet blanket by the “Roman Empires Senate Council.”

        Look – Control Grids extent from all ports rather any of you like it or not!
        Thus – GOD will not save you for allowing his work to be destroyed, thats in GODS own words!

        As MAN – is the number 6 – who not only wrote the Roman Senate’s Cannon, but it was Man the Number 6 who decided what YOU would be able to read as well told what to follow within that Roman Senate’s Cannon.
        And whom do the vast amount of people on the planet earth follow again; “Man the number 6.”

        Open your eyes if you so dare, as there is a whole world that is not within the confines of the Roman Cannon.

        PS: To you whom ever would question what I believe or follow.
        The answer is really quite simple.
        “I don’t follow MAN.”
        Nor will I consent to MAN’S RULE.}

        If thats beyond your grasp, then I pitty you.

        Peace and Love

      • MAP

        Mark, try telling this to the 10′s of millions butchered, tortured, and extermianted by the attheistic states: USSR, Red China, N. Korea, Cuba, Nazi Germany, etc. Atheists have a VERY poor track record. It is the ticket, if you prefer oppression, torture, misery and death.

      • Dave67

        Once again MAP only tells the part of the story he wants to believe. Those people killed were not killed “because” of the religion alone.

        But Hitler was god’s “superwarrior” according to his own book
        The Inquisition
        Northern Ireland.

        There are so many stories of people butchering one another because their version of “god” is not the “right” one.

        Believe in the fairytales if you must, just keep it out of gov.

      • cawmun cents

        Where you fail to make the connection Mark Are,is that the Holy spirit drives the Christian to do good.The Christian does not decide to do good,otherwise Christ would not have needed to die for us and propitiate the sacrifice once and for all for our sins.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • MAP

        Steve, I ignore nothing. In the communist and leftist states citizens were exterminated by the 10′s of millions. Nothing in the history of the world compares to it.. As a dreaming leftist, maybe you should do some research into the world of reality. The killings you mention are trivial and as nothing by comparison. And I never said the killings were all religious in nature. I said that they were the work of atheistic governments, governments that demanded to be worshipped like a God.

      • david

        Sir:
        You have, as do most Christian haters, Luke 19:27, out of context. Jesus is telling a parable about a king. He is not recommending these actions. Please study the Bible learn from it. To take the Holy Word and distort it to make your case is just wrong!

        I am a patriot. I am also a Christian. I believe what we see now is Revelation playing out. I pray for your soul that you find God before “that day”.

        God bless you and America

      • Al

        This a repy to Mark Are Reynolds:
        as ususal those who don’t know Christ or the Scriptures try to use it against Christians. The passage you quote in Luke 19 is completly out of context. Jesus is illustrating an unprofitable servant and all those who reject Jesus as Saviour. Those are the ones which will be slain. This has nothing to do w/Christians slaying those who do not agree w/Christianity like the Muslims. Christians belive the only way to heaven is thru/by Jesus Christ. If you don’t want to believe this it is your decision. Unlike the Muslims WE CHRISTIANS will not kill you for your refusal to accept Jesus. Steve is correct the only thing which will save our nation is a return to Christ. Look up the history prior to the revolutionary war there was a great awakening which lead directly to the people realizing the unfair treatment of a corrupt British government. Sound familar. Mark before you quote scripture I suggest you research it better or ask a True Christian what it means.

      • Mike in MI

        Time – Hey, my friend!!!
        Broaden your scope a little for a moment and rework things a bit, please.
        Rome didn’t control the entire mid-east or setting the Canon. Most of the New Testament was written and set by the Apostles very early. If not, why is the canon for the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orient, which was beyond the reach of Rome’s ATTEMPTs to change things, the same as in the Occident? Only the order is different – for the New Testament.
        I’m talking about Paul’s letters. Those are what is the basic curriculum for those who love God until Christ Jesus’ guaranteed return. If my word isn’t good enough, what about Peter’s in II Peter 3:15,16? “Salvation”, by the way, has its root in the word “SOZO” meaning WHOLENESS in every aspect of life, now and eternally. The Devil has tried to put God out of business by trying to eliminate either believing of or the evidence of His word. But, He very well planned things so that anyone who really wants to can study, learn or be taught, and partake of the great rescue we can be part of because Jesus Christ obeyed. Even here in one of the darkest nations on earth.

        Further, Why have Biblical Texts and Manuscripts dug up since Rome, ostensibly, had control of everything proven to have the same essential contents and order? If anybody tries to tell you God’s hand is slack when it comes to His word tell them to buzz off.

        By the way, If you study Paul very closely you will find spots where “gnosis” is referred to as a teaching system. It was centered in Egypt and spread from there. Paul told the leadership of his followers to avoid that stuff since it was not from God. The Epistle of Thomas came out of that tradition. You be wise, chuck it. It will mess you up.

      • Don_in_DC

        I am so sick of most Christians because you justify your religion as the one right way because of the Bible and yet none of you interpret it the same way. You are too simplistic to recognize that there are more killers in the name of God as there are those that claim no God. It is fine to say the world lacks morality and that is the cause of its problems but don’t use such a simplistic idea that one religion is the solution while all the others are a sure path to destruction. The only good that comes in this world comes from the person that spends time debating moral issues and isn’t 100% sure on most of them. The moment you stick to one ideal, one group, one methodology then that battle is lost.

        If you truly believe your Bible is the solution then look at all the areas where it is wrong. Should we kill our children when they disobey? Should we kill those that don’t share our beliefs? Use the Bible or any religious text as the foundation of your morality but please take the time to do more than just cling to it blindly. Question everything. Demand that people do the same instead of attacking those that do question. Then you are on the road to an appropriate morality. Those atheistic leaders you talk about weren’t killers because they were atheist, they were killers because they thought their morality needed to be enforced upon the world. If you do it as a Christian, Muslim or whatever it is still the same thing. Our original Constitution is a much better example of a good government mentality than what I have seen in a religious text because it excluded religion from being used to oppress freedom.

        Whenever your religion teaches you to dislike others because they wear a different label than you then you are guilty of what Hitler did. You should learn what your neighbor thinks and disagree with him on specific points but allow him the freedom to live whatever life he wants as long as it doesn’t infringe on your freedoms. Most of the errors in our politicians and our religion boil down to this simple concept…they want to disallow freedom when they don’t agree. I don’t care what you believe in or what you don’t as long as you used some sense to reach your conclusion and you leave me the freedom to reach my own conclusions.

      • Renée

        Don in DC, So what you are saying is, anyone should have the right to do anything, at anytime they want as long as it doesn’t infringe on “YOUR” freedom. That’s a pretty selfish way to live. People should be able to do what ever they want to WHOM ever they want as long as it doesn’t affect YOU!!! Is this what you just said? Your words…You should learn what your neighbor thinks and disagree with him on specific points but allow him the freedom to live whatever life he wants as long as it doesn’t infringe on your freedoms.
        Christianity is the Only one that says, Do unto others as you would have them to unto you, love your neighbor as yourself…how can that be wrong? So if a muslim kills your neighbor because they believe that everyone outside of islam is an infidel, it’s alright with you because it didn’t infringe on YOUR personal freedom? Please explain if this is not correct because I can’t believe ANYONE could have that attitude!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Religion doesn’t kill people, no more then guns kill people. People kill people, period! Take away religion, and guns, and you end up with secular/socialist/marxists/fascism, of the likes of the Soviet union, China, and South America, and to the best of my knowledge, not the least bit violent? Which proves, only religion causes violence, and is the only cause of wars; yeah right!

        Blaming religion, guns, or any of the myriad of metaphysical musings, and philosophies, is just man’s pathetic attempt to deflect blame away from himself, that being; he is degenerate and hopelessly corrupt, and whose behaviour only confirms the veracity of the Bible with respect to man’s condition; degenerate, and hopelessly, corrupt!

      • Don_in_DC

        Renee, yes people should be allowed to be free in whatever way they choose until it infringes on the freedoms of others. Your attacks on me are to say I am selfish and only concerned with me but that isn’t accurate. My goal was to state that you shouldn’t really worry about what my religion is or how I think because of a label you don’t know anything about. Instead focus on allowing me the freedom to think whatever I want and if it doesn’t hurt others then you don’t need to legislate it.

        As far as your saying “only Christians” say this or that, you are very incorrect. All those things you named as said by Christ were said by Buddha 500 years earlier. Not the exact wording but the same thinking.

        Trying to say that I support a muslim (or anyone) killing another in their name of religion is the exact OPPOSITE of what I am saying. When I use the figurative “me” it is because I am writing. If I am saying that everyone should accept contrary ideas that don’t infringe on every mans freedom it sort of demands that you aren’t removing their life. Killing someone when they disagree with you is an attack on their freedom. Judging someone because they wear a different religious label without knowing the fundamentals of the belief system is another part of my point. You will attack Muslims without knowing their ideals because of what you have learned on TV. Do you know any Muslims? Have you tried to target the individual parts of their belief system to understand it? When you disagree are you willing to let them be free to believe however they want as long as it doesn’t limit yours or others freedoms? Islam is based on Christianity which is based on Judaism. It’s real easy to say one of those is more right than the others based on your personal choice but really it shouldn’t matter the label but more the beliefs. There are good and bad in each.

        I’m fine with the morality bits you bring up from Christianity, they are good things. Most religions have the same things in one form or another. For every thing you can attack another religion (i.e. Muslims) as having that is crazy, Christianity has something just as crazy. All these religious texts have both good and bad ideas. The ones that are against Christianity can point out all the crazy ones it has, the ones that are anti-Muslim or anti-whatever can do the same. As humans we tend to focus on the flaws in the other ideologies to reaffirm our own. Instead you should live the Golden Rule but more than that you should educate yourself and question everything. I don’t care if you kill me in the name of God, Allah or Hitler…I’m still just as dead. I only ask that my government protects me from you going all fanatical and infringing on my rights while also protecting you from me in the same way.

        Hopefully that is more clear.

      • Deerinwater

        Renne say;Christianity is the Only one that says, Do unto others as you would have them to unto you, love your neighbor as yourself…how can that be wrong?”

        Well, I’m not sure about being the “only” one. ~ but that’s another matter entirely .

        The problem with any “taught” idea ~ is application. Simply being aware of knowledge is not enough, it has to be “employed” to enjoy the benefits.

      • Renée

        I will agree with you on the application. We should all treat others the way we want to be treated, without exeption.
        I hope you have a great evening Deerinwater.

    • Dave67

      MAP,

      In the immortal words of Col Sherman S Potter… Horsehockey… In the history of humanity, more people have been killed in the name of their respective religion that any other reason save greed for more resources.

      Its not even close…. Stalin did not kill because he was an atheist and wanted those who were religious dead “just because”

      Josef Stalin’s “very religious” mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest, and he was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.” As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion. In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more. As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks, “During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.

      Adolf Hitler was raised a Catholic, and in a speech in 1922 he remarked, “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter…” In his autobiography Mein Kampf (1.2), Hitler stated:

      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
      Throughout his life, Hitler invoked God and “the Lord,” demonstrating his religious, not atheistic, nature. Pol Pot was raised a Buddhist and Catholic. In this regard, Dr. Ian Harris, a Reader in Religious Studies at the University College of St. Martin, relates: “In one of his early writings Pol Pot wrote approvingly that the ‘democratic regime will bring back the Buddhist moralism because our great leader Buddha was the first to have taught [democracy].’” Although in comparison to the Abrahamic religions its history is far less violent, Buddhism has not been entirely devoid of atrocity in its spread and practice.”

      So you can buy into that BS but the truth says something a bit different.

      • MAP

        Dave, you are a delusional leftist idiot! And your sick, twisted, perverted ideology make you a dangerous idiot. Perhaps you will be one of the useful idiots standing in the lines for execution. You are a fool, a dangerous fool.

      • Dave67

        MAP,

        Can’t refute what I am saying so you resort to name calling. Typical fearful right winger unfortunately. Have you been scared your whole life?

      • steve

        wow. look at the uproar i have caused and all i said was look to the bible for the truth. why don’t you put all that angry energy to good use. there is a reason why it’s called education. read and understand before you bark. you won’t look like an idiot.

      • JUKEBOX

        Steve, BIBLE is an acronym for “Book of instructions before leaving earth”.

      • Dale left coast

        Hitles subscribed to a pagan germanic vision . . . was certainly not a Christian . . .
        The athiests/socialists/progressives/collectivists killed 100′s of millions in the 20th century . . . Lenin/Stalin/Hitler/Mao/Pol Pot may never be equalled for their brutality to their fellow man. The leading contender for the 21st century has to be izzzzlam ! !

      • TIME

        Dear People,

        Let me ask you all a few simple question’s, are we not all HUMAN?

        Do you think that somehow the fact that all Religions have the same base; was by accident?

        Do you not want for your children the same things as any other Humans (no matter what religions they may be) – want for their children?

        Things like, { Fresh clean food, Clean water, a fine home, a safe place to live – where their children can play and grow up loving not only thier parents, but themself.

        A world with out HATE and or War’s?

        If so then I beg all of you to think about what bonds that we all share as HUMANS – its called DNA.
        We all came from the same place – even if the base story is somewhat differant, aka – Religion’s – we all still share the fact that we are HUMANS!

        I again beg you all “PLEASE” – don’t allow Man to control you nor to force you into hate of other Humans for what ever cause they are selling for Profit!

        Please think about the bonds we all share, that being – {HAR 1,} its only found in Humans as in no other life form on the planet Earth.

        It’s the fact that even Science has clearly shown that we as humans all share two common bond’s that held within our DNA of what it has a “Fused Block” starting point for starters.

        All HUMAN DNA begins with the following; ( YAH -AR -1 ).

        This was not by mistake, nor was it by any other hand than that of our “CREATOR” – no matter what name we as HUMANS give, be it – GOD, Budda, etc..

        The LAWS that GOD gave all HUMANS are really quite simple and straight forward.
        Please Follow them, and everything else will fall into place!

        Peace and Love

      • Renée

        You have to understand that “JUST” because someone was raised in a Christian home doesn’t mean they are actually doing things for God. God will judge those like Hitler who did evil in his name as he will all those that “claim” to do things for God and they are actually working for the enemy of God. I don’t want you to think that I’m bashing anyone with the word of God, God doesn’t need defending but the Word holds all truth and the truth will set you free. Believing lies keeps you locked up. God’s word is the truth, bringing a great source of peace, this is what all believers want for those that haven’t given their hearts to Christ. We don’t want to bring harm but health and good and things that are of no reproach. God will never force anyone but gives them a free will to choose Him or deny Him. But with those choices come consequences.
        In Matthew 7:
        15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
        21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ (evil doers, Hitler, Stalin, etc.)

        The only difference between those that believe in Jesus Christ as savior and those that don’t is that believers are sinners saved by grace. We are ALL sinners and fall short of the glory of God, and we are ALL worthy of hell and death because we could never make it to heaven on our own. Don’t turn your back on God or He will turn His back on you. That is a pretty scary place to be. Life is the time God gives you to determine where you will spend your eternity. Choose wisely. All the answers to the circumstances we are going through in this country/world right now are in the bible and are all caused because man has turned his face from God. God told us that He would help and all we have to do is turn from our wicked ways and seek Him.

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        Part 1
        Dave67 @ 8:37 & @ 8:56, do not spread your IGNORANCE & LIES.
        Dave67@ 8:37 wrote: “Once again MAP only tells the part of the story he wants to believe. Those people killed were not killed “because” of the religion alone.”

        Yes Dave, before to spew your ignorance, you should to do some research.

        MAP is correct. The vast majority of the mass murders were executed by the Dictatorial/Autocratic regimes, the heads of which were the ego-centric maniacal DESPOTS (Lenin & Stalin – USSR; Mao Zedong – China; Adolf Hitler – Germany; Kim Il-sung & his son Kim Jong-il – North Korea). They sent people, who was not agree with their regimes, to the labor camps, where they died from the hard labor, mistreatment and hunger. But who dared to criticize them, they “simply” where executed as the “ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE” (in the Soviet case.)

        These regimes (USSR & CHINA) also caused the death of the miiiiiiillions of the civilian population by the REGIME-MADE FAMINE. Only in Ukraine (1932-1933) it estimated 5.5 to 6.5 million deaths.

        From the Wikipedia: “According to a 1993 study of archival Soviet data, a total of 1,053,829 people died in the Gulag from 1934 to 1953.[6] These estimates exclude the deaths due to mistreatment in the camps,[12] and such deaths happened frequently.[13] The death toll is stated as 1,258,537 with the post-release deaths included, with an estimated 1.6 million casualties from 1929 to 1953.”[14]
        But there are the opinions that the number was much higher.

        Approximately 14 million people passed through the Gulag “labor camps” from 1929 to 1953. A further 6-7 million were deported and exiled to remote areas of the USSR (usually it was Siberia), and 4-5 million passed through “labor colonies”. The total population of the camps varied from 510,307 in 1934 to 1,727,970 in 1953.

        The Gulag was a major instrument of POLITICAL repression in the Soviet Union.
        The Gulag system was “a chain” of the 53 separate camps and 423 labor colonies where people were worked to death.
        Read Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s book “The Gulag Archipelag”

        And also I recommend you to read the Secretary of the Communist Party and Premier of the Soviet Union Nikita Khrushchev’s SECRET SPEECH, which he delivered at the closed session of the Twentieth Communist Party Congress on February 25, 1956.
        Dictator Stalin demanding absolute submission to his opinion or viewpoint. Those who criticized him or even just was not agree with him, they were labeled the “ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE” (the term, which was created/invented by Stalin HIMSELF) and sent to Gulag camps or executed.

        From the Wikipedia: “Horowitz was raised by parents who were members of the Communist Party USA. Between 1956 and 1975, Horowitz was an outspoken adherent of the New Left before rejecting Leftism completely. Horowitz has recounted his ideological journey in a series of retrospectives, culminating with his 1996 memoir Radical Son: A Generational Odyssey.”

        The Horowitz family broke with the American Communist Party after the publication of Nikita Khrushchev’s SECRET SPEECH in 1956. According to David Horowitz:
        “The publication of the Khrushchev Report was probably the greatest blow struck against the Soviet Empire during the Cold War. When my parents and their friends opened the morning Times and read its text, their world collapsed — and along with it their will to struggle. If the document was true, almost everything they had said and believed was false. Their secret mission had led them into waters so deep that its tide had overwhelmed them, taking with it the very meaning of their lives.”[7]

        I recommend to ALL LEFTISTS: Communist/Progressives/Liberals/Democrats to read his books: the memoir “Radical Son: A Generational Odyssey” and “The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America” (it’s about anti-American and anti-Conservatives academics in American colleges, which also are sympathetic to terrorists and non-democratic governments).
        And also do not forget to read the Nikita Khrushchev’s SECRET SPEECH, 1956.
        Maybe these FACTS will stimulate the bends of your brain function.

        Do not DECEIVE yourself, but educate.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Dave67:In the immortal words of Col Sherman S Potter… Horsehockey… In the history of humanity, more people have been killed in the name of their respective religion that any other reason save greed for more resources.

        Wrong, in the history of humanity, more people have been killed by people!

      • Matrix

        Dave67

        Don’t forget that Obama also considerers himself to be Christian.

        Many men throughout history have made this lie, but in the end we follow their actions and not their words.

        The action of a true Christian will always be good.

        God has never been responsible for the murder of his own, only man could conceive such insanity.

        It is man who blames religion for his hatred and prejudice of his fellow man.

        The true gift of our Lord is conscience, and it is we that make this judgment on our own behalf, never on our Lords.

        History, as in current events has been blamed on many Gods and wars on many religions, but truth is truth, and God is the only truth!

        The responsibility to humanity is ours and our conscience.
        The truth goes no further!

        Lay blame on those men that have corrupted man and religion in his personal goal of being God, not on the Lord that gives him life!

        Man has always been the reason for the destruction of man, but in the end, we will all be judged by our own actions, and will neither lay blame on our Lord or our fellow man!

        In the end we stand alone with our actions or inaction.

        God is Great!

      • http://PeronalLiberty Alondra

        1. Dave67 wrote @ 8:56am: “Josef Stalin’s ‘very religious’ mother named him after St. Joseph, and wanted him to become a priest. Stalin himself supposedly claimed that his father had been a priest”. Dave, this is a LIE.

        The TRUTH is that Stalin’s father NEVER “had been a priest”. He was a cobbler – a shoemaker who repaired shoes; There is NONE evidence that his mother named him after St. Joseph. His Georgian name was Ioseb, which was popular in Georgia.

        2. Dave67 wrote @ 8:56am: “he [Stalin] was purportedly “damaged by violence” while being “raised in a poor priest-ridden household.” – Dave, this is a LIE too.

        The TRUTH is that his household wasn’t “priest-ridden”. I guess that your “damaged by violence” you are talking about his damaged hand. Let see what Wikipedia says about that: “By the age of twelve, two horse-drawn carriage ACCIDENT left his left arm permanently damaged.” Yes, his left hand were paralyzed.

        3. Dave67 wrote @ 8:56am: “As a youth, Stalin spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary, after which he purportedly renounced his religion.” – Dave, this is another LIE.

        The TRUTH is that the population in Georgia practices primarily the GEORGIAN Orthodox Church (about 90%). Around 2% follow the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church. In Georgia no one practice GREEK Orthodoxy, therefore Stalin could not “spent five years in a Greek Orthodox seminary”.

        Here is what the Wikipedia says about Stalin’s religious education: “At ten, he began attending church school where the Georgian children were forced to speak Russian … At sixteen, he received a scholarship to a Georgian Orthodox seminary, where he rebelled against the imperialist and religious order … he was expelled in 1899 after missing his final exams. The seminary’s records suggest that he was unable to pay his tuition fees.[11]”
        4. Dave67 wrote @ 8:56am:
        a)“…In his later years, Stalin apparently embraced Christianity once more. As Stalin biographer Edvard Radinsky remarks, “During his mysterious retreat [of June 1941] the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle.” – David, of all your LIES, this is the biggest LIEl.

        The TRUTH, David, is that Stalin NEVER EVER “apparently” or not “embraced Christianity”. Why “at ten, he began attending church school?” Because at that time in the Russian Empire there weren’t PUBLIC schools at all. In the Cities there were PRIVET Schools and Academies. (for girls and for boys separately). In Towns & Villages children went to Church Schools. So Stalin has no choice, but attend the Church school, because his parents could not afford PRIVET school.
        (It’s obama can afford to send his daughters to privet school, for which he paid for the oldest daughter $20,286 & for the youngest $18,492 in 2008.
        When he moved to Washington he pays $28,440 & $27,440 accordingly. Please Google article “Send Your Children to D.C. Public Schools, Mr. President-Elect by Terence Jeffrey)
        The same reason was why he went to the GEORGIAN Orthodox Seminary – he could NOT afford College. From the paragraph 3 we know that he was expelled for not paying his tuition fees.

        From the Wikipedia: “Although raised in the GEORGIAN Orthodox faith, Stalin WAS AN ATHEIST. Stalin followed the position adopted by Lenin that RELIGION WAS AN OPIATE THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE IDEAL COMMUNIST SOCIETY. His government promoted atheism through special ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS, ANTI-RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDA, THE ANTIRELIGIOUS WORK of public institutions (SOCIETY OF THE GODLESS), discriminatory laws, and a TERROR CAMPAIGN AGAINST RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS. By the late 1930s IT HAD BECOME DANGEROUS TO BE PUBLICLY ASSOCIATED WITH RELIGION.[88]”

        Shortly after leaving the seminary, Stalin discovered the writings of Vladimir Lenin and decided to become a Marxist revolutionary (Like obama’s friend and ex- Green Jobs tsar, Van Jones), eventually joining Lenin’s Bolsheviks in 1903… He became one of the Bolsheviks’ chief operatives in the Caucasus, organizing paramilitaries, inciting strikes, spreading propaganda and RAISING MONEY through BANK ROBBERIES, RANSOM KIDNAPPINGS and EXTORTION. The infamy he gained from BEING ASSOCIATED WITH ORGANIZING THE 1907 TIFLIS BANK ROBBERY, WHICH RESULTED IN SEVERAL DEATHS and the stealing of 250,000 rubles (about US $3.4 million in modern terms)…[13]
        Stalin was captured and sent to Siberia, but he escaped … He eventually adopted the name “Stalin” from the Russian word for steel and used it as an alias and pen name in his published works.

        David67, as you can see, Stalin was a CRIMINAL. Does not he remind you the CRIMINAL obama? (Forged SS, BC; cheater on the Property Taxes; murders…)

        b) When Stalin rose to power, he created a CULT OF PERSONALITY in the Soviet Union around himself. He accepted grandiloquent titles (e.g., “Coryphaeus of Science,” “Father of Nations,” “Brilliant Genius of Humanity,” “Great Architect of Communism,” “Gardener of Human Happiness,” and others)
        (David67, does not sound it familiar to you? Messiah, the Chosen One, Gifted, Smart, Intelligent, Good Speaker – even he can’t say HELO without teleprompter)

        c) Many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were SHOT DURING THE PURGES of 1937–1938. [89] (David, Google Stalin’s PURGES, learn the truth!)

        d) During World War II, the “Father of the Nation” allowed the Church revival as a patriotic organization …(But that was temporary, because he hoped that believers’ prayers will help to win war.)

        e) “…the ex-seminarist had decided to involve the aid of the God he had rejected.” – David, this is the biggest and the most cruel LIE.

        JUST DAYS BEFORE STALIN’S DEATH, ALL RELIGIONS INSTITUTIONS in ethnic regions of the Soviet Union, including the Orthodox Churches, Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Catholic Churches, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism WERE OUTLAWED AND PERSECUTED: THOUSANDS OF MONKS WERE PERSECUTED, AND HUNDREDS OF CHURCHES, SYNAGOGUES, MOSQUES, TEMPLES, SACRED MONUMENTS, MONASTERIES AND OTHER RELIGIOUS BUILDINGS WERE RAZED…
        f) “Radinsky likewise chronicles a number of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle. It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.” – David, It’s another LIE.
        David, there were NONE, EVEN NOT ONE, “of religious comrades in Stalin’s immediate circle”. They ALL were godless atheists.

        Many Churches were blown out, Monasteries & Convents destroyed or transformed into the Orphanages, because after revolution there were a lot of orphans all over the country.
        According the Russian Commission report (November 27, 1995): “…40,000 churches were destroyed in the period from 1922 to 1980…”

        According to “The Christian News,” Jan. 8, 1996, p. 2, “Some 200,000 (Christian) clergy, many crucified, scalped and otherwise tortured, were killed during the approximately 60 years of communist rule in the former Soviet Union.”

        The initial ANTI-RELIGIOUS CAMPAIGN after the revolution focused especially against the Russian Orthodox Church and it was characterized by BRUTAL TERROR TACTICS that KILLED THOUSANDS BELIEVERS…Church and believers were brutally persecuted. The Churches’ property were robbed/grabbed/confiscated/seized – it called NATIONALIZATION.

        David, you wrote: “It is evident that, whether for good or bad, religion played a significant role in Stalin’s life.”
        In reality, this sentence should sound like this: “It is DEFINITELY evident that, maniacal DICTATOR & DESPOT Stalin played a signiiiiiiificant role, a terribly cruel role in the Russian Church and USSR’s people lives.

        David 67, Please, do not spread LIES, do NOT DESTORT & and do NOT TWIST the HISTORICAL FACTS, which were writen by people’s blood & lives.
        DO NOT RE-RIGHT HISTORY, especially the history of the country you know NOTHING about. You are hurting feelings and memory of people who went thru that EVIL.
        Accept my advise: Before to make any statement do research.

        God Bless you. Alondra, whose grandmother and mother passed that HELL.
        In God we TRUST.

      • kid

        I do believe you are all missing the point here!!! The thieves in D.C. are lining their pockets, preparing to take what we have away as far as what little wealth we have, money in the bank, cars, land, houses, etc. They will take our guns (Hillary the Treasonous Winch and the U.N. Small Arms Treaty) along with the OBAMANATION OF DESOLATION AND THE DEMO SENATE. WE WILL HAVE NO MONEY AND NO WEAPONS WITH WHICH TO FIGHT!! AND YOU FOLKS ARE MINCING WITH THESE B.S. REMARKS???? You Have NO CLUE what is about to hit us and most of you will die of starvation, disease, or your own government shooting you down!!! You folks are so off track on this extreme situation and you are arguing RELIGION??? Go To youtube.com and listen to mike and the mechanics song called Silent Running!! I sang this song in nightclubs in the 80′s not really knowing what it was about. NOW I DO!!! WE AS A PEOPLE, A COUNTRY ARE DOOMED!!! YOU HAD BETTER STOP YOUR PETTY COMMENTS AND GET YOURSELVES A PLAN FOR SURVIVAL!!! THE TIME IS NEAR. THERE ARE MILLIONS WHO WON’T BE PREPARED. ONLY A FEW HUNDRED THOUSANDS WILL MAKE IT. FOLKS LIVING IN URBAN AND SUB-URBAN, NOT MUCH CHANCE!!! THOSE LIVING IN THE COUNTRYSIDE WITH FARMS AND THE KNOWLEDGE OF GROWING FOOD, WATER WELLS, GAME TO HUNT, WILL FARE THE BEST. IF YOU HAVE MONEY, GO BUY 50 ACRES, LEARN HOW TO SURVIVE OFF THE LAND AND GOD HELP YOU. THIS THAT IS COMING IS NOT A JOKE. THE GOVERNMENT WANTS THE POPULATION CUT IN AT LEAST HALF. THE OBAMACARE DOES NOT PAY FOR LIFE SAVING DRUGS, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT!!! IT DOES PAY FOR LIFE ENDING, EUTHANIZING DRUGS!!! WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU??? IF YOU DO NOT THINK THEMILITARY AND OTHER AGENCIES WOULD OPEN FIRE ON YOU AND ME JUST LIKE ASSAD IS DOING I SYRIA, YOU ARE ALL FOOLS!!! STOP CRY BABYING ABOUT RELIGION AND WHO IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS AND WRONG ABOUT THAT!! THAT IS JUST WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO TO TAKE YOUR MINDS OFF OF THE REAL MATTERS AT HAND. COMPLETE CONTROL AND DOMINATION, EXECUTIVE ORDER TO CONFISCATE YOUR MONEY, GOLD, HOUSES, MOTORCYCLES, CARS, BOATS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE BUT THE CLOTHES ON YOUR BACK. BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!! WAKE UP AMERICA. THE TIME IS AT HAND. WE EITHER RECLAIM THE USA AS OURS OR WE LOSE EVERYTHING. ALL FREEDOM, ALL WEALTH, ALL LIBERTY. GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH. BUT YOU PANTY WAIST COWARDS WOULD PREFER TO LIVE UNDER TYRANNY. I WOULD PREFER DEATH BY THE SWORD THAN TO RELINQUISH MY FREEDOM TO SOME RICH CATS IN DC THAT DON’T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT ME!! I AM EXPENDABLE JUST LIKE YOU. GOD SAVE AMERICA AND FORGIVE HER OF HER SINS AND THE SINS OF OUR LEADERS!!!

      • http://purplewarrior71.wordpress.com purplewarrior71

        I fully agree. I’ve been trying, to inform, in this very forum, the masses of this very thing you aspose. Soon all Americans will wake up to a new reality,its called URBAN SURVIVAL.
        Paper money will be of no use. All banks will close the night before and not to reopen for days ma be weeks until the GOVERNMENT figures what to do about worthless FAUX green backs, Government and municipal pension payouts , retirement payouts grind to a HALT. Savings and checking accounts will be frozen. Credit Cards will stop working. Massive layoffs, firings. All because we as a nation allowed our elected officials to run rampant in MUNICIPAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ALLOWED THEM TO FEAST ON OUR FLESH, POISON OUR WATERS, CONTAMINATE OUR FIELDS. Then allowed them to blame the AMERICAN PEOPLE for actions perpetrated buy ELECTED OFFICIALS.

        The greed and graft is out of control. America as we know it will change forever. The nay sayers won’t believe. They will continue to live life with blinders on and believe in BIG GOVERNMENT AS THEIR SAVIOR.

        IF YOU ARE NOT A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST AND THE LIVING GOD AND TRIED TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE, CAST OUT WICKED WAYS.THEN I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU. WHEN URBAN SURVIVAL KICKS IN YOU WILL NOT BE PREPARED AND YOU WILL PARISH.

        “”They have sowed the wind, Now reap the whirlwind.”

        These are the words of

        PURPLEWARRIOR

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        kid, my comment will probably not go where think it is. I’ve been listening to “doomsday predictions” most of my life. It’s enough to wear a person out. However, I understand that the time table for these things could be over generations and not merely a few years. Since I’ve been hearing these things for over fifty years I believe that it’s time for what you think is going to happen to actually happen.

        Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
        We moved to the country forty years ago because of these predictions. Our farm has mostly been abandoned by my family but I’ve been rehabing it. This process seems oh so slow but hopefully it’ll be enough in time?

      • Renée

        You know if you need people to help you, you could co-op. I’m sure there are plenty of people that would love to work that land with you, help pay your bills, live on a little piece of your heaven. So many want to get away from where they are and want to get back to basics but getting started is way too hard. Me for instance, I would love to get out of the city and put up a small little house on someones north forty, help with the land, etc. TOO old now but My Lord that sounds SO fantastic. You are blessed Katrael.

      • Deerinwater

        Time says; “Let me ask you all a few simple question’s, are we not all HUMAN?”

        For the sake of your argument the answer is “yes” .

        While most would agree, a human being is greater then the sum of all his/her parts.

    • GALT

      Wow……..what an amazing segue…….and I didn’t even mention God……”sound bite” minds?

      But let’s see if we can re-direct: The only unalienable right is that you can continue to attempt to survive………you may choose not to, but it can not be removed. ( self evident )

      Now be careful, because this is the TOUGH question……..

      Whom do you think is going to be more reasonable? Someone who can accept this self evident TRUTH, and is willing to act in accordance with it, since it is what they know and because they wish to continue with what they KNOW!!!!!??????? Or someone who knowing this, chooses to deny it to avoid the reality of mortality, in favor of some fantasy
      for which there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL……?

      Which of these positions is MORAL?

      • Michael J.

        Galt,
        Ernie Borgnine had a firm grip on morality, may God rest his soul.
        Now how’s that for a segue?

        Everyone understands your coded convolutions, your quatrains. Trouble is, no one cares.

      • Michael J.

        Galt,
        BTW, you should read “The Earth For Sam” from which the straight poop is emitted on the evolution of all politicians from a particular primate.

      • GALT

        But you care Mike……..and there are so many of you…….w.i.A.L.F.
        So, didn’t like the question or couldn’t understand it, or……….?

        Where are the (common) law and equity courts?

        Considering all the stuff you all don’t know……….how is it possible that you can come here everyday, believing you have answers or will find them HERE?

      • steve

        here’s something else you can uproar about. if all people go to heaven when they die, how will the meek inherit the earth? also ” thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. why would you ask for that if all go to heaven. this should be interesting .

      • GALT

        How is the demonstration that you did not comprehend or answer the question, interesting?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        steve, the idea behind reading a book, is to read all of it, not just some of it. This way, it will spare most here the time to state the obvious; read the whole book, dumb dumb!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Galt: Which of these positions is MORAL?

        I think the word you are looking for is, “realistic”.

      • kid

        Your Psuedo-intellectualism astounds me. You believe with twisting words you can confuse the simple minded, but they understand you even more! You have no point! You want to speak in riddles. You cannot speak as a man. So you must have the mind of a child or you would speak as a man would to a man. You must believe you are superior in intellect to other men and women. But I imagine if you were in front of Jesse Ventura, you would have a greater respect and not attempt to speak to him as if he were an idiot from your fear of him beating your a$$!!! So, why do it here?? Talk like a man. Not in riddles. You are hiding. We can see through you. you are so obvious. Maybe you are young, a college student. You are commenting to older wiser people than yourself!! We can see you coming, and you won’t get too far. You are on a Lunatic Fringe!!!!

      • GALT

        The word I was looking for is the word I used: MORAL! To fail to acknowledge or act in accordance with the only self evident unalienable right you possess, would unreasonable and immoral……..any religion that contradicted it, would also be IMMORAL.

        For the person claiming that age produces wisdom, you provide little if any evidence in support of that……..and I would have no expectation that Jesse Ventura would pose any difficulty for me, nor I for him……but you may feel free to take it up with him, if you like.

      • Deerinwater

        Referring to Galt “You want to speak in riddles. You cannot speak as a man. So you must have the mind of a child or you would speak as a man would to a man. ”

        Allow us to get off on the right foot from the beginning, Galt does not “want” , Galt does or fails to do.

        Jesus spoke in riddles as well. It’s an effort to appeal and incite people to think and reason an issue out for themselves without offering them the answer. Once the answer is found, it becomes they answer. Then too, if their answer is the wrong answer, the confusion will still exist.

        Answers are a dime a dozen while a good question is priceless.

      • Brandi

        people need to quit surviving and start living. Pesce my friend.

    • http://www.facebook.com/michael.neibel Michael Neibel

      Galt. Your reading list should include Atlas Shrugged.

  • Michael J.

    Dear Bob,
    I believe the end has already come. What we see now is the deniers living off the corpse while forestalling the truth long enough to get theirs. The blissfully uninformed people will wake up one morning to a changed world.

    The FBI has pronounced that today is “Internet Doomsday”, or something to that effect. Not because of a new virus, but because they have shut down their server that was protecting us from an already cured /controled virus for the stated reason that the prevention was too expensive. WTF!?!?

    Check to see if your system is infected. Go to: http://www.dns-ok.us

    • steve

      this article is a coulda, woulda, shoulda. there is no solution except to start over and that’s not going to happen unless there is total collapse. and even then man with his greed will screw it up again. the solution is in your bible.

      • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurline

        Amen brother.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        The solution is to understand what liberty is. As long as you don’t damage someone else in their life, liberty or property, you should be able to do whatever it is you want. With a voluntary society where everyone understands these simple concepts.

      • MAP

        Centralized government is only centralized corruption. The greater the power usurped, the greater the corruption. We have the greatest to fear of those that would concentrate all powers in the central state. Corruption would then control everything. As the Bible declares, man is fallen and basically wicked; hence, utopia is a total, absolute impossibility. The out of control state seeks to usurp everything unto itself. It even wants to replace God. It wants the citizens to bow and worship it alone. The state is the polar opposite of liberty. As a secular god it wields the power of life and death over all.

        “Every religious idea, every idea of God – even flirting with the idea of God – is unutterable vileness of the most dangerous kind, contagion of the most abominable kind. Millions of sins, filthy deeds, acts of violence, and physical contagion are far less dangerous than the subtle, spiritual idea of a God.” Vladimir Lenin

      • http://yorked.podomatic.com James H. Dobbins, Ph.D.

        I agree. The original article is a mix of a lot of different complex issues all lumped together. The solution is a lot more complex than hoarding silver coins. Fundamental to a real solution is mandatory education in the Constitution and understanding the intended seat of power in our governmental system, namely, the people. This is supposed to be a government of, by and for the people. To the extent we have failed in that objective we have let our country down. It begins with changing the educational system in this country and making courses on the founding documents of this country mandatory courses, just like math and English. In the present society, these courses are need by adults as well since so few people have actually read the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and the Federalist Papers. How we get the adults interested enough to take on this task is another matter since it cannot be mandated. People have a right to remain ignorant. They have a responsibility to themselves and this country and to the whole electoral system not to remain in such ignorance, but in the end they have a right as a matter of personal freedom to remain ignorant. To they extent they do so, they diminish their own citizenship and affect the citizenship of their neighbors. We say in our foundational papers they we have certain unalienable right granted to us as humans by our Creator. In practice, we have deteriorated to the point where our present government is trying to remove all reference to our Creator from every public discourse, whether in schools or the public square. An informed citizenry would never lat that happen. In practice, we have allowed greed to drive policy, we have allowed those in positions of authority to do all things possible to create a slave state where the government is the plantation and the top officials are the plantation masters, and those with the intelligence and initiative to become successful and offer an opportunity to others to become self-supporting are taxed beyond reason so the plantation will have enough to take care of the growing numbers of those who accept slavery to the government with its attendant self-degradation over self-respect.
        The greatest gift anyone can give this amazing and exceptional country of ours that I love is to find a way to bring the general population to its senses, to help people regain that sense of personal freedom and destiny we once had, and do so without the chaos that resulted in the pathetic example of neurotic insanity we know as the French Revolution. The fundamental engine of this change has to be education, education of who we really are, where we came from, why the foundation documents were written, what they tell us about ourselves, and how we can recapture our fundamental dignity as God-fearing people who understand what love of neighbor really means.

      • ernest

        you people are trying to put out a fire by pouring gas on it, ( you keep electing lawyers ) think about that, what is a lawyer trained to do ( he is a trained crook with a degree in how to control people ) over 90% of polititions are lawyers have been for a long time so forget change untell you change that.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        steve, that is the point of this post: there isn’t anything to offer as a solution except for the option of limiting politicians to one term and giving them no perks. they need to live like the average person lives. I know this solution won’t happen and I believe that Bob knows this won’t happen either

        You’re right, the answer is in the Scriptures if you want to know what to do.

      • Erik

        “I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
        –Thomas Jefferson

      • Don_in_DC

        The government is in trouble but the Bible isn’t the solution. That is a very dangerous idea that has been proven time and time again to not be the solution. Government should be separate from religion unless you want the same badly managed government systems now controlling morality like they have done with social programs.

        You might think pushing your morality on the world would solve the problems but the same was thought by the biggest killers in history. The best solution we have found in the modern world is still the US constitution. It described a system of government that should start with the individual and only scale up when there are problems. We have instead let the head (federal government) become too strong and it needs to be cut. People need to go back to a system where the local governments have the most power so those politicians are accountable to the few in their sector. It is always going to be inevitable that governments will grow too big and their lust for power become their undoing. Only the individual can rectify this problem by remaining vigilant in its check against that power.

        This article does a good job of spelling out the things to watch out for in the coming death spiral. The government will try to do all it can to maintain its survival while keeping the masses distracted. As Rome left technologies like aqueducts and architecture to the world we will leave the Internet and Constitution as our gift. Hopefully this will help the next incarnations to move forward and rebuild.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        @ MAPP….as long as you are going to base your beliefs on a book of fiction, you will end up with fictional results. Man OBVIOUSLY isn’t basically wicked or else there would be total chaos at all times. You cannot convince me that if we were “basically wicked” that the five cops driving around my town and county are what is keeping all of us “basically wicked” people from robbing, raping and pillaging. I suggest that maybe Robert Hare is correct in his studies and that there are people who are not “basically” wicked, but are TOTALLY wicked because they are genetic PSYCHOPATHS who have no conscience. No ability to feel remorse. DEFECTS if you will. But see, that scientific backed study goes in the face of your religious beliefs because you have to believe that somehow everyone can be saved. By a genie in the sky. And typical Churchianity simply makes functional psychopaths out of what would be normal people as they dump their junk on a “savior” and let him take the blame for their problems. Yee Haw…Jesus decals on their cars with support the troop decals.

      • RichE

        A very good point about, “basically wicked”.

      • Tim Orner

        RichE, Its ashame that you have the arrogance to call GOD a lier. I won’t list them here, but there are many verses in the Bible that state that it was written by GOD himself. Also, you don’t have to “believe” the Bible or reference the Bible to know that the common sense solutions I offer would actually work for the benifit of most.

      • RichE

        Tim Orner,
        I consider it a privilege to call God a liar.

      • Tim Orner

        I consider it an absolute tradgety that HELL is your destination.
        SAD.

      • RichE

        It’s not your decision to make, Tim. Quit playing God.

      • Tim Orner

        And I do thank GOD that it is not my decision, but I do know the requirements to obtain eternal life. I can only pray that GOD will bring about circumstances in your life that will confront you and challenge you to not only understanding how to obtain eternal life, but have the courage to accept it. I’ll pray for you that these things will happen.

      • RichE

        Tim,
        Allow yourself to love, it makes the day brighter and thanks for including me in your prayers.

      • Tim Orner

        If I didn’t love you RichE, I wouldn’t take the time to correspond with you, and pray.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Calling God a liar is simply projecting on to God that which you are, RichE!

      • RichE

        Jay,
        I call it conversation.

      • Jeff

        The folks on this blog know the TRUTH. Therefore, to disagree with them is to lie.

      • RichE

        Jeff,
        Disagreement is a matter of perspective. You can only see truth from your perspective. The rest is assumption. Take a walk in the park or the wild side, change your position. Are your assumptions unchanged?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        RichE, i call it logical fallacy. If you are of the conviction that God does not exist, then who are you calling a liar, dumb dumb?

      • RichE

        Jay,
        Sould my personal conversations with God be of your concern? Are you the prayer police? Who are you to tell me how to pray? Have your spiritual BM with someone else.

      • B. Donoro

        I agree, know your bible and your Creator.. There is the answer for all mankind….

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Personal conversation? Posting “God is a Liar” on a public blog is not considered having a private, personal conversation with God, RichE. duh!

      • Deerinwater

        BigBadJohn says:
        July 9, 2012 at 9:07 am
        yup same thing happened in 94 with Newt’s “republican revolution” they promised one thing and we got another.”

        Bait and switch is standard “SOP” for the GOP. They will promise you a battleship with 16″ gun and can make-way at 45 knots. ~ What they deliver will be a leaky row boat with a single oar and bb gun.

    • William Lewis

      I agree with this %100, but must we must get the word out. The Tea Party Reps ran on a similar agenda, but when they got elected they bascially complained about government but started feeding at the trough too. It’s a disaster!!!

      • BigBadJohn

        yup same thing happened in 94 with Newt’s “republican revolution” they promised one thing and we got another.
        same thing happened in 2008 we were promised one thing and got another.

        keep that in mind in November, you can not choose “the lesser of two evils” they are the same……..

        Vote libertarian or write in Ron Paul.

      • Mike in MI

        William – They were threatened and assured of protection whenever it’s taken down.
        Imagine their chagrin when they find out they were lied to by the Father of Lies.
        That’s the way the Power behind the powers that appear before us ALWAYS work. The process is likenable to a person who contracts with a pro assassin to have someone killed. The real planner and culprit stays invisible and unaccounted for.
        Only the Bible lays out the basics and the generally predictable process used to protect the real guilty agency (-ies). There is no way to overturn the truth that we exist in a spiritual world. People can deny it, but in the end we’ll see what (and who) is hidden in the darkness of life. The Truth will prevail. It’s kind of hard to beat omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and eternal, and…and…and…

        Like someone said above, “…the answers are in the bible.” You want to give yourself the best chance to survive what’s ahead? Study the life of Jeremiah, especially toward the end. After the Babylonians took over and everybody else was killed or hauled away Jeremiah was protected.
        How? God is able! He sure didn’t run away and hide in the midst of the run-up to destruction. He stood against the priests, kings and deniers among the people right straight up front, in the open with what God told him to say and do.
        He survived the battles and wanton destruction like the enemy soldiers couldn’t even see him. Later, he went to his own home in the region of Benjamin and died peacefully there.

        Also, if you want some fun, trace the different groups and individuals involved and what happened to those who listened to Jeremiah, following his instructions from God…and those who told him he was crazy.

        God knows how to care for to protect His own. But it’s an individual walk. Just you and Him. If you can get others to follow you…good. If not, you have to let them take their own course.

        Just in case you think, “Why didn’t He save His own son, Jesus Christ?”
        That was a different deal and He had to give the sons of Abraham the opportunity to believe – like He said He would. They decided. They didn’t want what was being proffered and hung him out to dry. Jesus knew what was coming and decided to go through with it anyway. Just being obedient to what was written was the best he knew. So he counted God to be good on His Word.
        What makes you think God didn’t save His own kid? Resurrection to eternal life versus the oblivion everybody before him went to isn’t too bad a deal… if you can get it.

      • Jeff

        I think you are all misdiagnosing the problem. I never thought the stamps were a big problem nor were the “bounced” checks congressmen were allowed to write. Frankly, I hope my congressman doesn’t have to waste time waiting at the airport, the post office, or th bank. Of course powerful people are going to act a little “big for their britches.” But that’s not dangerous corruption. What’s dangerous is not the little stuff like getting parking tickets fixed or getting your phone calls answered.

        What’s dangerous is selling your vote on important issues either for campaign contrbutions or for your next job. As long as Congressmen are working for special interests they hope to lobby for one day, they aren’t working for their constituents. Duke Cunningham was a real scandal because it involved awarding defense contracts due to payola. I don’t care how many stamps a congressman “steals” from the government.

        The whole idea that the government is too big is a misnomer. How can a small government regulate multi-national corporations? You libertarians who think the world as Jefferson imagined it might be a nice place to live are in for a rude awakening. If you don’t like government, you’re sure not going to like being ruled by Exxon when there’s no more government there as a counterweight.

    • Robert Smith

      From the article: “The Internet is the first good thing that has happened in the United States to shine the light on a corrupt system.”

      That”s why net nutrality is so important.

      The net needs to be responsive to people, not corportations and politicians.

      Rob

    • Steve E

      The deniers living off the corpse while forestalling the truth long enough to get theirs will finally wake up to what’s happening once the corpse they are feeding off of is picked clean. It’s just a matter of time.

    • JUKEBOX

      Crazy Jesse Ventura said it best, when he described POLITICS: Poly means many, and tics are blood sucking parasites.

    • chester

      Do believe notification on this virus went out not long after the people running the servers it redirected infected computers to were caught and jailed. The FBI has been maintaining those servers since last November, over six months now, while they tried to get the word out to everyone. I first heard of it way back in February or March, and checked all the computers in my household then. With this having been on the news, the internet, and about any other place you might look, is no real excuse for people not knowing about it and having their machines cleaned.

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