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Dumb And Dumber

June 27, 2012 by  

Dumb And Dumber
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“She gave me a bunch of crap about me not listening to her, or something. I don’t know, I wasn’t really paying attention.” — Jeff Daniels as Harry Dunne in the movie Dumb And Dumber

Americans have a right to be upset as we head toward November’s election. It is a two-man race for the Presidency, and both candidates embrace big government and big spending. Barack Obama and Mitt Romney favor military intervention abroad, and both the President and the challenger have interfered with the free market with Obamacare and Romneycare, respectively.

Obama has put on such a dismal one-term performance that he makes Jimmy Carter’s Presidency look Churchillian. Romney is, at best, a moderate candidate along the likes of George H.W. Bush — able to win because the field of Republican nominees was so weak.

If the Nation is looking for a transformative President along the likes of Ronald Reagan, Romney will disappoint.

In 2006, then-Governor Romney said of Massachusetts’ healthcare reform bill, a sweeping effort to provide healthcare coverage: “We’re spending a billion dollars giving health care to people who don’t have insurance, and my question was: Could we take that billion dollars and help the poor purchase insurance? Let them pay what they can afford. We’ll subsidize what they can’t.”

Liberals loved it — so much so that Senator Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) stood beside the Republican Governor when he signed into law the bill mandating universal healthcare coverage.

Members Of The Same Establishment

If you get the chance, pick up the book The Presidents Club: Inside the World’s Exclusive Fraternity by Nancy Gibbs and Michael Duffy. The authors explain how close the ties are between current and former Presidents and how their ideals never stray far from one another. Past and current Presidents compete against each other in the pages of history; but, foremost, past Presidents are loyal to the man in the Oval Office more than they are to the parties they represent or the ideals upon which the Nation was founded.

The book explains the enduring friendship between Harry Truman and Herbert Hoover after President Dwight Eisenhower was elected. It also tells of the close personal relationship between George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush with Bill Clinton. Even arch-Liberal and former President Lyndon Johnson conspired with Conservative GOP President Richard Nixon in selling the Vietnam War to an America that was tired of the blood and expense of that military intervention.

Gibbs and Duffy point to the 1960 book Kennedy or Nixon: Does It Make Any Difference? that was written by Arthur H Schlesinger Jr., an esteemed historian who became a top aide to President John F. Kennedy.

Last week, Daily Maverick also pointed to Schlesinger’s decades-old book:

For many years it has been something of an article of faith with both the hard left and the libertarian right in America that it really doesn’t make any difference – Democrat or Republican. They all come from the same political elite cloth, they are ultimately working in the interests of a ruling class or some super-secret elite cabal, and those interests are ultimately determined by the hard truths of the economic substrata. .. There is always that knowing, cynical French observation, “plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose” – the more things change, the more they stay the same.

This truth was evident this month when Romney was interviewed by Time’s Mark Halperin.

Halperin asked:

You have a plan, as you said, over a number of years, to reduce spending dramatically. Why not in the first year, if you’re elected — why not in 2013, go all the way and propose the kind of budget with spending restraints, that you’d like to see after four years in office? Why not do it more quickly?

Romney answered:

Well because, if you take a trillion dollars for instance, out of the first year of the federal budget, that would shrink GDP over 5%.  That is by definition throwing us into recession or depression.  So I’m not going to do that, of course.

If not the first year, then when? By President Romney’s fourth year? Probably not. Romney wants to cut taxes/revenues and increase military spending.

Meanwhile, Obama has proposed reducing the size of the military following the end of the U.S. combat role in Iraq and plans to remove troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

“We have two courses we can follow: One is to follow the pathway of Europe. To shrink our military smaller and smaller to pay for our social needs,” Romney said a month ago. “The other is to commit to preserve America as the strongest military in the world, second to none, with no comparable power anywhere in the world.”

The Obama Administration and Republicans in Congress have agreed to cut almost $500 billion dollars in military spending over the next decade. But even with that reduction, the United States would own the world’s most powerful military. The Pentagon’s budget this year exceeds $600 billion, or six times the amount of money that China is spending on its military.

Yet Romney will need more, especially since he has been painting Russia with the same stain as the “Evil Empire” that was the Soviet Union. But Romney needs to check recent history. The Soviets imploded because they could no longer finance their global aspirations. Neither can the United States.

A Warning, Not An Obama Endorsement

The truth is that, if elected, Romney will carry on most of Obama’s spending programs. That means a continuation of massive deficit spending by Washington and the near certainty that the United States will be thrown in the trash heap of history. This is not to say Romney won’t be better than Obama. It is hard to imagine he could be worse. But expect him to be only incrementally better at a time when the United States needs an exceptional President.

One final note: If Romney wins the Presidency, expect him and Obama to be friends once Romney’s tenure in the Oval Office is over. Historians may someday refer to them as dumb and dumber.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • http://CENTURYLINK Kenneth Roberts

    Who ever gets elected,should remember our currerency has in GOD WE TRUST on it,and if the rich were poor,they’d under stand what it is like to be poor.Jobs help the poor to pay taxes to help our Country,If I made a million,I wouldn’t mind paying 250.000 in taxes or more to help our country and dept.Give tax breaks to companies to start businesses then they would not go elsewhere.There are otherways beside of just printing money.A big military means more jobs also and paying more taxes.The goverment needs to start a savings account just for spending besides taking from social security.I used to love working,I’d make 60,000 some years working all overtime I could get and pay 15,000 in taxes and was glad to do so, investing in my country I love.I made parts for tanks to protect our soldigers.Not a war monger,but need a good military just incase.No military and was invaded,what would happen? If a doctor hadn’t pinched my spinal cord, I’d still be working,most people would of sued,but the bible speaks against that,so I’m disabled because of that. President is a BIG job and a lot of responsiblity,and desions affect everybody.Illegual immigrants taking jobs isn’t right to Americians and giving them social security is redicilious. A PROUD AMERICIAN, Kenneth Roberts-superc@centurylink.net.

    • Ron Obvious

      You’d be surprised at how many of our “Rich” started out poor, or who have lost everything they had at some point or another. The “Rich” who are born in to big money, are far fewer than you might imagine. If you made a million dollars, you are entitled to keep what you have made. Let’s drop the socialist montra here… everyone one save for a few rich politicians who think they are above the law, pays taxes, that make a salary. The current progressive tax system punishes those who dare to be successful and in no way is fair! Every person should pay their fair share, so the only way to do this is through a fair tax or National Sales tax in place of the current progressive tax system. But the progressive tax system is one of the many ways our government controls us. Those of you actually work, I bet there isn’t a “Poor” person writing that payroll check that pays your salary!

      • Nonnie Aversa

        I could not of said it better. All I can say America is ready for a new Pres. on Nov 6TH MY VOTE WILL NOT BE A WASTED VOTE AS WE ALL KNOW OBAMA HAS TO GO.HE HAS DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE TO AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        A sales tax is one of the more UNFAIR taxes’ looking at it from a viewpoint that everyone buys the same basic necessities for daily living. Luxury items are something else to think about.

        Take two people, one who earns 20 grand a year and one who earns 200 grand. The first spends, say, 5 grand on basics, the other 7 grand (bigger house and garden). The tax paid on the first person’s income is a much higher ratio than that of the second person, so where is the FAIR tax?

        Or have I completely misunderstood it all?

      • macgyver1948

        Robert… You haven’t misunderstood the tax system, but maybe you are missing some stuff. The wealthy can afford to hire better and bigger (more expensive) tax advisors then the UN-wealthy. So the tax system is what you can afford to pay for it. And the more money you have the more places you can afford to hid your money – in or outside the country.

        For billionaires/millionaires to pay less taxes than their secretaries, for example, is a matter of “what’s in your wallet?”, or bank account. If someone who makes “who earns 20 grand a year”, your example, could afford to pay $20,000 for a tax advisor the law says he could. See how fair it all is if you have loads of money?

        As for your saying sales tax is unfair. Maybe it is but it is one of the ways local Governments get monies. If there was no sales taxes, for so many communities, there might not be ways to pay for local roads or for some books in schools or pay for enough teachers. I am just picking at stuff sales tax does pay for, since locals cannot depend on other levels of government to pay of all their needs. It would be so nice to not have to add to our expense on purchases with sales tax but they wont listen to me, LOL.

        Before you get the wrong impression I do not feel there is anything wrong or evil about money. Money is in no way evil. If it is earned morally and legally and it is used in those ways as well Bill Gates size money is fine. Money is just a tool and it depends on how we use that tool which is wrong or right, not the money itself. To give life and spirit to money is as intelligent as assuming the Earth is the center of the Universe just because you see all the heavenly bodies are circling the Earth. Remember there used to be certain authorities who murdered people for thinking differently.

    • more pissed off than you can wrap your little mind around

      The bible also speaks about ‘reparation’. I would’ve had a talk with the doctor to arrange to ‘fix what he broke’, which is significantly less than being sued and his insurance costs don’t go up. Does anyone in this country comprehend ‘win/win’ (the antithesis of the legal mentality)?

    • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

      A bigger military? Well, fine, but why not keep them here, in the USA, where they can actually defend us? Why not end these ridiculous wars (non-wars) and close the scores of bases across the world?
      Why do we pepetuate the idea (to North Koreans) that we are still at war by keeping an installation on the 38th parallel? What good are all of these bases doing us? Bring our military home, where they can purchase American goods, from American businesses. Up our defenses by cutting military spending all over the world.
      Stop fighting the last war(!!)– and stop jumping into each and every squabble other countries have with each other. It is not our job or our duty to fight everyone’s battles for them. It makes our own defense weaker and puts our nation in a much more dangerous position than if we were to just bring our kids home. Our fights in the Mid-east, are now making people HATE us, and then we call them terrorists? How dare WE do this?

      Nobody’s foreign policy beats that of Ron Paul and it’s one great reason for voting for him as nominee, and then as POTUS, than any of the others. Heck, it may also save Social Security, too- as we would not have to keep stealing from the SS-fund to fight these non-war-wars.
      Why do people not get this? It is not a difficult idea to wrap your (collective your) brain around, for sure.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        One of the leaders of another country (France, I think? correct me if I’m wrong), recently said that Obama should take care of his problems at home before sticking his nose into other people’s economies telling them how to fix theirs. (paraphrasing, not literal)

        The same could be said of our foreign policy.

        We’re over-extended, we’re meddling in too many other countries business. We can’t afford to keep doing this.

        On this too, RP is correct, and sane.

        We spend too much attention on what everyone else is doing (as a country, and individually), and not near enough on taking care of business at home. Long past time to make ourselves the priority again.

        – Smoov

      • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

        Absolutely, Smoov. From your lips to the delegates everwyhere! I do so hope those we’ve given power to, as delegates, will finally do the right thing. Even in the MSM, of late, Mitt’s being exposed. If these delegates don’t get it and do what needs doing, I don’t want to think what this county will be, come 2013/

  • http://yahoo bob peters

    The American people are so damn brainwashed..thanks for our Pravda main stream media! If we could forget the Republican and Democrat BS,then we could still survive as a nation of free people. Standing together like real americans,we could make the so called elite useless and put the New World Order freaks out of business.. No other way but united can save the country …

    • Power To The People

      Yep, brainwashed and confused. Many citizens of lesser means do believe the government has a duty to provide for them…..brainwashed and dependent. The upper 1% know how to manipulate and have done so very well. The NWO has members in both main parties and have become a power elite class. They will not give up power with out a fight…..a revolution is the only way it will change. Voting for whomever will not make a dent.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Sorry to say but you fall back into the collectivist trap when you repeat the 1% mantra and you nullify your ideology. All in all, it took a lot of time and energy and deprivations to reach the level of making enough money to be denigrated as 1%s.

  • martin fee

    there is only one way to restore America to it’s original intent. That is by force. No politician is going to rescue us from the evils of our current direction. From the moment Mitt refused to reverse amnesty I knew there is no difference between M and O.

  • T. Jefferson

    RON PAUL! How many times do I have to tell you. He is the only one to fix this country back to what the founding fathers intended.

    • Ron Obvious

      If Ron Paul is such a originalist, why has he been in congress for 26 years? The founding fathers envisioned men who could leave their careers for a term or two, then return back to their careers in the private sector. Why did they envision this, because as Thomas Jefferson was so rightly concern, career politician are the beginning of the end for any government! That’s why Jefferson said, “Every 20 years there should be an over-throw of the government, in order to clean out all the corrupt politicians!” Jefferson was a student of John Stuart Mills, if you want to know what Jefferson belived and what he advocated, you might look into Mills! So back to Ron Paul… if he truly was an “Originalist” he would have served one maybe 2 terms and left congress. Thing is, Ron like the power and feels there is no one but himself capable of doing what he does… does this sound familiar… maybe like all “Establishment” politicians! So you Ron Paul folks can coo over fantasies about how wonderful and constitutional Ron Paul would be a president, but unless he turned out to be Obama on steroids, when it come to executive orders, he wouldn’t accomplish anything more than the other candidates! You can talk the talk, but unless you walk the walk, no one will take you serious! Ron talks a good game, but end the end, he is too comfortable in his seat in congress!

      • Cheerio

        We should be so lucky he and the few others are still there fighting for us. Ron Paul has continuously stated it is not about him ( he does not want to be king) it is about the message! Be the government, restore the Constitution, end the shadow fed, restore sound money and common sense.
        I am so glad he is still in the ring for us! We have nothing left but “We the People” and God!

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Point to someone else doing what Ron Paul is doing…

        Just 1 person who isn’t changing his position according to the political wind…

        Anyone… either party, doesn’t matter… who consistently votes the way he talks, without compromise…

        Shouldn’t be that hard, if what you say is true, should it? We got a few hundred people in DC to choose from… can’t be that hard to pick just 1?

        (Rand doesn’t count)

        – Smoov

      • George

        I am glad Ron Paul has at least stayed in congress! He has been a voice of reason for these 26 years! Did you somehow miss that this is not the first time he has run for President? If Romney wins the nomination (which he probably will!), he’s going to have a really hard time beating Obama without RON PAUL! Its going to really be interesting if RP and Gary Johnson form a 3th party! Now that Dennis Kunnich (love or hate him, he’s an honest guy!) is going, will the last honest guy that leaves congress (as RP will do at the end of his term) please turn out the lights! I pray that Americans will wake up and promote RON PAUL to President!

    • Jimmy The Greek

      You are right ! however he could never win because the Zionist that run AIPAC would lose out .

  • http://yahoo bob peters

    I am an Independent voter and will vote for Romney just because it is clear Obama is a socalist moron! We can’t afford 4 more years of this destructive parasite..If Romney turns out to be the same,then let the Revolution begin!

  • Robert Lebischak

    Those running against Romney were not all weak. They were put down by lies and half-truths that the Romney team used, even after they were shown they were not true. Romney was the chosen one for the Republicans from the start, the party, elite and media backed him, they want someone they can control, someone that is one of them. Well they got him the way it looks and the People again get screwed. Newt was the one we needed, and he was defeated by the Party, elite and media, when they don’t like you your out. Too bad, Newt was the one that would fight the system and work for the People, now the People are expected to pick the least of two evils again, Lets get them and all use write-in votes for Newt.

    • Ron Obvious

      You were going good right up until you said Newt was the one we needed! Were you not paying attention?! Newt is a self-confessing ‘progressive’ Obama and Romney are both “Progressives” as well. The only difference is Obama is a much more radical progressive, but Newt and Romney are both big government guys and would all be leading us in the same direct Obama is now, just not as fast. Santorium or Bachmann were your 2 chances of breaking free of the ‘Establishment / Progressive’ mold, from the crop of Republican offered this year. Ron Paul simply doesn’t have all his oars in the water, so while it does have some good ideals, Ron is suicidal on a national scale!

    • Jimmy The Greek

      It is AIPAC that is in control of our country , and until we take care of that problem nothing well ever get fixed .

  • http://facebook cllemens hacker

    is toI rather vote for a person whom is still trying to clean up the past President’s mess than a
    person whom is going a bigger mess if he {Ronmey} were {and I hope not is elected.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Is that what you believe O is doing, cleaning up 200+ years of our country. Very naive considering all that he is doing is creating new messes.

    • Gea

      Obama was not very successful in “cleaning up” the mess Bush did in 8 years but had been succesful in cavorting with Islamists and help CAIR and OIC white wash Islam and thus endanger US and Western civliization. By his anti-American activities in State Department and recognizeing terrorist organization in Egypt which wants annihilation of Israel and America, Obama is behaving mroe like a Caliph-in-Chief than Commander-in-Chief.

      I voted for Obama in 2008 but will not make this mistake again in 2012. He is dangerous to our American values and to human rights everywhere while pretending to defend them. That is taqiyya, Islamic principle of lying when living in a country that is not run by sharia. Barak Hussein Obama cannot help it because he grew up as a Muslim boy (from age 6-10) in Indonesia with his Muslim marxist stepfather who also was a spokesman for oil indusrty. Thus Obama serves many masters but the main ones are oil companies and Islam.

    • Power To The People

      Give the Bush bashing a rest dude….Obummer has made the mess three times worse. Open your eyes! Three times more debt, more hated by others, worse economy…what is better?

      • Doc Sarvis

        I’ll agree the economy is still in the dumps (some better signs some worse than when he took office). But we are getting out of Bush’s wars and beginning to pay for them – unlike when Bush was in office. We have been hunting down the top terrorists under President Obama as opposed to the lip service under Bush. I also strongly believe that our world standing is far better under President Obama.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Doc, Obama recently claimed on the campaign stump, “federal spending since I took office has risen at the slowest pace of any President in almost 60 years.”

        Peggy Noonan aptly summarized in last weekend’s Wall Street Journal the take away by the still holding majority of Americans living in the real world:

        “There is, now, a house-of-cards feel about this administration. It became apparent some weeks ago when the President talked on the stump – where else? – about an essay by a fellow who said spending growth [under Obama] is actually lower than that of previous Presidents. This was startling to a lot of people, who looked into it and found the man had left out most spending from 2009, the first year of Mr. Obama’s Presidency.

        People sneered: The President was deliberately using a misleading argument to paint a false picture! But you know, why would he go out there waiving an article that could immediately be debunked? Maybe because he thought it was true. That’s more alarming, isn’t it, the idea that he knows so little about the effects of his own economic program that he thinks he really is a low spender.”

        What this shows most importantly is that the recognition is starting to break through to the general public regarding the President’s rhetorical strategy that most have been calling “Calculated Deception”. The latter is deliberately using a misleading argument to paint a false picture.

        That has been a central Obama practice not only throughout his entire presidency, but also as the foundation of his 2008 campaign strategy, and actually throughout his whole career.

        Rest assured, Obama is not as nuts as he may seem at times. He knows very well that he is not a careful spender.

        His whole mission is to transform the U.S. not into a Big Government country, but a HUGE GOVERNMENT COUNTRY, because only a country run by a Huge Government can be satisfactorily controlled by superior, all wise and beneficent individuals like himself.

        That is why he is at minimum a Swedish socialist, if not worse. Notice, though, how far behind the times he and his weak minded supporters are, as even the Swedes have abandoned Swedish socialism as a failure!

  • Frank

    “Dumb & Dumber” <– I agree, that describes the "difference" between Romney & Obama. The big problem with the USA is our out-of-control big government & both Romney & Obama support big government (are "Statists"). The Establishment & big money was behind Romney & money buys votes, so dumbed down GOP voters voted for Romney in the Primaries. The Power Elite are happy because either Statist #1 or Statist #2 will win the next Presidential election & whoever wins will be beholden to their big money benefactors. The voters will not get the choice between a Statist v small government, Constitution-loving candidate for President. The average American voter has still not woken up to how they are being manipulated into voting for a continuation of the corrupt status quo driving this nation ever deeper into a welfare/warfare/Police State on the brink of financial collapse.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Thank you sir !

  • http://www.facebook.com/joseph.jewell.50 Joseph Jewell

    Time for a new revolution

    • moonbeam

      Agreed. Soon as We The People grow a HUGE pair of brass kahunas and take care of business. We can’t continue to act as if our hands are tied, because they’re not. Our Constitution has the keys to the cuffs. We just need to insert the key and turn it to unlock the ties that bind.

  • Craig Timmerman

    It does not matter who is president who ever is elected will bow to the elitist to usher in the New Wolrd Order.All those crooks in Washington should be shot for treason

  • sj

    You have been brainwashed alright. By the elite owned media and political system.

  • Aurelio Nunez

    We have been brainwashed about the rich. No matter how you look at it, in world there will always be rich people and poor people.. You work for a person who has the money to
    pay you or unless you do volunteer work for a poor man. Think about it and get a life

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Someone has to supply the money even to those nonprofits that supposedly work for the poor.

    • Ron Obvious

      How about the option: Get off your lazy butt and start your own business, then you work for yourself. Of course there won’t be anyone there to hold your hand, tell you what and when to do it… and if you don’t work, you won’t get paid! But, ANY one willing to put forth the effort can work for themselves, in time! It doesn’t come about immediately, and it takes time and hard work for some to get established, but you can work for yourself! So work for someone else (doesn’t matter whether you are working for a big company, medium sized or small business or working for a non-profit… i.e. big something – government, church or organization of somekind). It is the beauty of this country. If you are willing to risk everything, you might end up with a lot of things or you could loose it all… it is all up to how smart and how much work you are willing to toss in!

  • sj

    Different puppets same puppet master !

  • roger gunderson

    America has rejected the only man who, in my view, could have made a big difference in restoring our constitution and that man is Ron Paul. And now it’s to late. That chance we had was once in a life time…so be it.

    • Vicki

      America has NOT rejected Ron Paul. Mass Media has tried to make you believe that America has but that is merely propaganda. Google rallys for Ron Paul and Mitt Romney and see how Americans really feel.

      Then do NOT stay home. Vote. Write it in if you have to. Vote Ron Paul.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        They have rejected him tho.

        Every time you hear someone say they would like him, but he doesn’t have a chance, so they’re voting for someone else, because they don’t want to waste their vote.

        This is when they reject him, and as a result, they’ve wasted their vote.

        Honestly, as much as I saw RP being ignored and marginalized through the media, just made me want to look at him harder. What were they trying to keep us from seeing? Has to be something there, for them to go so far to ignore him.

        If he was just a weak candidate, they wouldn’t be trying so hard. They’d be mentioning his 3rd place finish in a primary (instead of skipping over him, mentioning 1st, 2nd, and 4th)

        They’d be mentioning his rallies, they wouldn’t be trying so hard to mislead us into thinking another candidate won, when he did.

        But no… people generally, don’t want to look too hard, put in effort… think for themselves and choose for themselves, and we end up getting more of what we already got.

        – Smoov

  • steve

    like i have said before, until you get rid of the political system you will never solve any of this countries problems. i don’t have the answer but that’s how i see it. 543 people controling 300mil. not good. you have seen what 100 plus years of the political system has done and it’s all bad. if you think voting for someone new will make a difference then you have not learned a thing about the past. this is a revolving door and until you lock it the spin will continue.

    • http://www.facebook.com/don.duncan.501 Don Duncan

      I do have the answer. Our government was created with one (1) and only one justification, i.e., goal: protection of individual rights. Our new kind of government was an experiment attempting to control power three ways: 1. A short list of privileges and a long list of prohibitions. 2. State sovereignty, e.g., nullification, or, in extreme circumstances, secession. (Lincoln put an end to that check on power). 3. Individual sovereignty backed up by a fiercely independent populace better armed than the government.

      The first control was flawed by the lack of over sight, i.e., accountability. Separation of powers did not work. It was still government judging itself. The three branches work together to increase their power at our expense. The second control failed for the same reason, i.e., little governments are not seen as morally superior to big ones. The populace sees their conflict as one gang against another gang. Third, the populace was slowly disarmed psychologically (100+ years) by a government brainwashing system, while slowly arming themselves until the populace was out gunned. Game, set, match.

      We could have had both individual rights and economic freedom (capitalism) without our protectors, because our protectors turned out to be our oppressors. Now we are enslaved physically and psychologically, but most will not admit it. The answer is: self governing, self ownership, self responsibility,i.e., the total rejection of all institutionalized violence as a primary social control devise, i.e., live and let live. Violence is only appropriate IN RESPONSE to violence, i.e., self defense.

      • Scott

        RIGHT ON, NAIL ON THE HEAD!!!!!!!

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        Just look at what is going on in Syria at this moment – un unpopular government is taking the most drastic actions to retain it’s monopoly and power. You suppose OUR government would not do the same?

  • Donna

    I WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR A MORMON WHO LOVES AMERICA, THE PEOPLE, OUR CONSTITUTIONS OVER A COMMIE AMERICAN HATING PIECE A GARBAGE ANYTIME!!

    ROMNEY 2012

    • http://newstips@personalliberty.com Johnny Shaw

      They both eat the big one.
      Dumb and Dumber.
      We need an Evangelical in the White House. Huckabee is the man.
      Mormons are OK but they only make up 2% of the voting population.
      Do you want 2% to control the other 98%,
      As an Evangelical, I believe that the majority rules- just like in Congress and
      the Supreme Court.
      I also believe that Romney is a socialist because he has outsourced many jobs
      to Communist China through Bain. This was a a deliberate move at Bain.
      It was part of the investment charter mission.
      Wise up.

      • Karolyn

        An Evangelical? Would you have us living in fascism like in the mideast, with religious law? As far as majority rules, this is not a democracy.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Karolyn,

        You write: “Would you have us living in fascism like in the mideast, with religious law?” Fascism is what we currently live under her in America: a devious mixture of government and big business that uses the power of the state to enrich the businesses and the banksters and their cronies in government to the detriment of the people. What you’re talking about is a theocracy.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

      Yes, Romney is a HUGE NWO GLOBALIST Neo-CON. he does not “love America”. he only loves American MONEY, and that is why he has purchased MANY American businesses, allowed (or forced) them to go under, and sold their equipment (and sometimes Intellectial property, if he thought it was worth anything) overseas. Romney has made a LOT of millions by killing smaller American businesses. He even tried to buy my business, when he was in the market for many in my arena. Though his people tried to play hard-ball with me, I refused to sell, and those who did sell are now left with nothing. The equipment was then sold overseas so that nobody else in the area can (cheaply) take up that same type of business, here. I think Romney is about the most evil man to ever run for POTUS. And anyone taken in by him and his “family man status” is simply not paying attention.
      One more time, let me suggest everyone watch, “When Mitt Romney Came to Town”. It is FREE and it’s a pretty short film- but very eye-openong.
      I honestly think that film should be required watching for each and every delegate going to Tampa. The man is that disgusting.

  • Jim

    Evidently you have not been listening to him. Romney is going to repeal obamacare on the first day. He is going to cut government spending and will cut taxes.
    NOONE can spend or do as much to ruin our country as obama has. He has spent more in less than 4 years than all the other presidents COMBINED. Did I say spend. I mean wasted and that has come from our enemy -China. Has gotten our credit down – the first time ever.
    Obama is a communist. Read Trevour Loudon’s book Barack Obama and the Enemies Within to find out. He never worked for himself. Mitty Romney has worked and if you say Bain Capital shows he likes to fire people then See how many businesses he helped stay open and who are employing more than those who lost their jobs. He was not the only one who made decisions at Bain Captial.
    If you want 4 more years – at least – of this dictator and either don’t vote, vote for a third party candidate or write in someone you might as well vote for obama. This is not an election to put someone IN office. This is to get someone OUT of office.

    • Karolyn

      Yeah, and I heard Romney is going to raise the dead on his second day! Do you actually believe those political ads?

      • NativeTexan

        How’s “Hope and Change” working out for you, moron???

      • Power To The People

        Actually Karolyn has a good point…for a change. I am sure most people recognize the sales job of politics. Remember, Congress controls the purse strings…not the Executive Branch. If we can get more center road minded representatives to make sensible decisions as a family must due concerning budgeting.

      • Vigilant

        Raising the dead is a trademark practice of the Democrats. As the cemetery populations in Chicago are augmented every year, so concomitantly is the Democrat vote augmented.

      • http://gravatar.com/smoovious Smoovious Laxness

        Seriously… STOP LISTENING TO WHAT THEY SAY!

        Only pay attention to what they actually DO. (their voting record)

        You got 2 big-government candidates running for office, yet again… a Dem and a Rep.

        Ain’t no conservative establishment candidates. Just two guys part of the same establishment playing for opposing teams in the same league. Doesn’t matter to the league which one gets into office, so long as the league beats the other league (conservatives) in the end.

        Ron Paul is part of the other league, along with the rest of the conservatives within the same 2 parties.

        All Liberal and Conservative is now when it comes to political parties, is social issues. Social issues make for better air-time on the news channels, keeping people distracted from the real fiscal issues being executed. In this case, growing government.

        The federal government doesn’t even have any business getting into the middle of social issues anyways!

        So, you all fighting over Dems or Reps, or calling people who are going to vote for a REAL fiscal conservative, kool-aid drinkers, or that they’re wasting their vote because it isn’t for Romney, seriously need to fight back against your establishment programming and WAKE THE F— UP!

        Cuz… you’re part of the problem, that we’re trying to stop.

        No more fake conservativism. If you’re a republican first, then by all means, keep voting for your establishment big-government faux-conservatives the republilcans keep putting up.

        If you’re a democrat who hates big government, then stop voting for them.

        You don’t HAVE to have big government to be free to live your lives as you see fit. You just need them out of your way, and the bigger they grow, the more they will get in your way telling you how to live your life. Doesn’t matter if it is Democrat or Republican. They both only care about the growth of government. Check their voting records. The only differences, is how fast it grows, which lets them have public fights more about it, all the while, hiding the fact that they both grow government.

        They don’t care how fast it grows, only that it grows…

        and that, is not, conservative… that, is not liberty.

        If you want fiscal conservativism, and a federal government put back in its place, then you have only one place left to go. Democrats won’t do it, Republicans won’t do it.

        Libertarians will. If you honestly care about conservativism and personal freedom, how can you possibly keep voting for these false choices again and again and again? Have you no respect at all for yourself? If you have to ‘hold your nose’ when you’re voting for Romney, then why are you? Doesn’t that tell you anything? Isn’t that enough of a sign that you’re making the wrong choice?

        A candidate, to win, has to have a majority of votes. If no candidate gets a majority, then there is a runoff between the top vote-getters. This is not a bad thing.

        A vote for Paul, or Johnson, or the Exhalted Spaghetti Monster, is not a vote for Obama. It is a vote against the establishment (although, ESM’s voting record is pretty sparse, so he might be establishment… we’re still investigating…)…

        I’m not willing to be steered into their false choices anymore… I’m voting for who I know will actually do what he claims. I’m voting for their past voting record. I’m voting for REAL change to the status quo.

        And when I walk back out, I’ll be breathing just fine, never once, holding my nose, as I cast my vote. I’ll be walking out, this time, with my self-respect intact.

        Who among you, are strong enough to do the same?

        – Smoov

      • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

        In actuality, there is still ONE real conservative running. Until the votes are cast at the floor of the Republican convention (in August) Ron Paul is still on the ticket and delegates for Paul can still vote for him.
        I am sure we will never solve this dilemma with either Obama or Romney. The only way to get this country on the right track is to put Paul in office and work to (also) put other true conservatives in office.
        A Neo-Con is NOT A conservative. A NeoCon is merely a Dem dressed up with a red-tie. We simply cannot afford four more years of any NeoCons, and when you think of NeoCon, put the emphasis on that word, CON.

        It is past time America wakes up and sees what has been happening since the Reagan era. It’s been worse and worse for US and ony good for the elitists. Every American should comprehend, now, that we are far from being a part of the elite one-percent, and we must work to get ourselves better represented. At this juncture, as far as this presidential election is concerned, only Ron Paul represents US(A)!

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        When I speak of Libertarians, I count Ron Paul in their number. He may be listed as a Republican, but at heart, he is a Libertarian.

      • http://annebeck58.wordpress.com annebeck58

        Don’t know if my comment went through as the page flipped out.
        Anyway, the gist of what I was saying is this: Paul is as Republican as can be. You should read the Mission Statement of Rep Base, to see he is REP and REP only. He did step outside of the GOP and went with Libertarians, only for about a year or two, and that was decades ago. Libertarians are actually more crazy in their leanings than is Paul.
        II am very much a REP, though i have some libertarian leanings.. but I would never call myself a Libertarian, either. Just read the mission statement and see what a REP is supposed to be.
        neocons are NOT Republicans, as much as they like to think they are- they are much closer to Dems than to GOP.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Mission Statements are barely worth the paper they’re written on, especially when the members who claim to uphold those ideals, don’t. The same goes with their adherence to the constitution.

        The republican of today, has little to do with their mission statement. You can think of RP as a Rep all you want to, but he is in name only. It isn’t his fault, the Republican Party abandoned their ideals long ago.

        The Libertarians aren’t crazy, far from it. Calling them so, betrays your own faux-conservatism. Libertarian principles were at one point, the very foundation of what it was to be a Republican.

        Libertarians are trying to bring back conservatism. Republicans aren’t, unless it makes a good focus-group-tested speech.

        – Smoov

    • BigBadJohn

      ” Romney wants to cut taxes/revenues and increase military spending.

      But Romney needs to check recent history. The Soviets imploded because they could no longer finance their global aspirations. Neither can the United States. ”

      vote Romney and watch the USA go the way of the USSR….. Just who will do more damage to our great country?

    • bill coleman

      dittos jim, I could not have said it better. The idiots who stay home and don’t vote because they don’t have the perfect candidate to vote for ( as evidenced by vote counts) are voting for the worst of the evils.

      • BigBadJohn

        Send Washington a message

        Write in Ron Paul or vote libertarian – if enough people refuse to play along with the two party system maybe, just maybe they will get the message.
        However, most likely all they will do, is what they did in the past, campaign finance reform that makes it harder for a third party candidate to even get on the ballot.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        We’d be better off if the ‘idiots’ did stay home.

        These same ‘idiots’ who don’t pay the least amount of attention to what is going on in politics, unless it is some social scandal that hits the gossip mill.

        These same ‘idiots’ who just blindly trust the party they signed up with, with no real understanding about what they actually are doing, blindly trusting that the candidates are more informed and will do what is best for them, without a clue who they are really voting for anyways.

        These same ‘idiots’ would serve the country better, by just staying home, trusting that those of us who actually pay attention to what is going on in this country’s government, and understand what the issues and problems are, will make an informed vote.

        These same ‘idiots’ vote by sound bites and focus group tested slogans, who’s only purpose is to sell the candidate, not inform.

        Please… stay home… those of us who know what is happening, will thank you for it.

        – Smoov

  • Dwight Mann

    There is an answer. . .
    Ron Paul in 2012!
    It aint over yet, the R3VOLution has just begun, and woe unto those that are found guilty of being in the way, of the path to individual freedoms.
    We will shove you out of the way, and shovel dirt upon you all. . .

    • Karolyn

      That’s patriotism for you! Kill all who disagree with you.

      • Power To The People

        Play nice everyone…Karolyn is here.

      • Vigilant

        Karolyn lacks the ability to understand the fine subtleties of metaphor.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        What the hell , Kill them all and let god sort them out .

    • Ron Cameron

      Ron Paul’s son has endorsed Romney…..I’d say it is over—for this year anyway!!

      • Scott

        Like Brutus, like Caesar, HE stabbed his own father in the back! THAT is the kind of man you want in 2016 or 2020…… SAD!!!!!!!

    • Bill

      Ron Paul and myself are the only thinking, reasoning, intelligent human candidates for the presidency. All of the rest are vicious parasites looking for a host to feed on while they plan on killing off all others who will not let them at the hog trough.

    • James

      The freedom revolution proposes living a life by principles and Non Aggression is the core principle which supersedes all others. I believe in gusto but it saddens me to hear this kind of violent language from someone who purports to follow Ron Paul or the freedom movement for this country. Does this person really know how their words contradict what they believe in? I hope they learn.

  • Dalgast

    I tried to tell people that the only difference between the two was color. This country lost it’s last chance at surviving in slavement when they lost Paul. Oh well, I’m an old duffer so I just plan on going out shooting, best of luck to the rest of you, you’ll need in in the generations to come.

  • Ron Cameron

    Had we elected Barry Goldwater perhaps much of this would have been avoided. I fear we have gone too far into socialism to return to constitutional government before a total financial collapse. Only then, will people be willing to start anew, and it will be painful for most of us for several years.

  • Gea

    I would rather have a Mormon than Muslim or Islamo-phile in the White house. By Barak Hussein Obama catering to islamits of Muslim Brotherhood and Taliban, Obama is not only endangering US soldiers but USA and entire Western civlization. Obama MUST ber retired in November. Mitt Romney cannot be worse than Obama for US and certainly not for Western civlization.

    • kenneth

      Really? What planet are you from? This religion thing is getting boring. Obama is not Muslim, and lets face it, The mormon religion is fake.

      • Ron Obvious

        Actually Kenneth, Obama, during the 2008 campaign, on several ocassions, confess to being a Muslim. You can believe what the man has said or what others try to say to hide what the man himself confess to. Merely mentioning or acknowledging the name “Jesus Christ”, doesn’t make you a “Christian”.

      • Power To The People

        What planet are you from Kenneth? Obummer just proclaimed that The Muslim Brotherhood is a positive thing in Egypt!

      • Scott

        VERY TRUE on IT being FAKE… IT IS OFF THE DEVIL or old SATAN. Any time any christian says THEY need another book, like Mr. Smith’s little mormon thingie, instead of, or to GO ALONG with the 2100 yrs. or more of testament….. THEN ONE KNOWS that they and what they worship on Sunday’s, or Saturday’s is FAKE, FALSE! And this goes for the Jews too~!!!!!!

  • braindeadUS

    I agree 100% these two socialist war mongers are not qualify to be president.

  • Vigilant

    “Even arch-Liberal and former President Lyndon Johnson conspired with Conservative GOP President Richard Nixon in selling the Vietnam War to an America that was tired of the blood and expense of that military intervention.”

    Calling Nixon a Conservative is dead wrong, Mr. Myers.

    The man who imposed wage and price controls? The man who shoveled dirt into the grave of the gold standard? The man under whom social spending reached new levels of idiocy?

    Hardly a Conservative.

  • Doc Sarvis

    As I’ve been saying, Romney is little different from President Obama. As I see it, the main difference is that Romney will cater even more to the rich while our President is focused more on the middle class and the rest of us (the 99%).

    • Vigilant

      Spoken like the true Marxist you are, Sarvis.

      • Doc Sarvis

        I see you can’t dispute my standing, just call me baseless names. The easy way out.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Vigilant is calling you what you made of yourself.

      • Vigilant

        Oh yes, Sarvis, I can call you names, but they aren’t baseless.

        Whenever any idiot (another name) says, “Romney will cater even more to the rich while our President is focused more on the middle class and the rest of us (the 99%),” you obviously haven’t a clue.

        I and many others here have offered evidence of Obama’s clearly socialist and dictatorial agenda, but you ignore the facts at your whim (and peril). “The middle class?” Tell me who’s better off after 3 1/2 years of this tyrant, the middle class or the Wall Street interests? Highest number of food stamp recipients in history, highest number of non-taxpaying citizens in history, highest deficit spending in history, highest (and climbing) numbers of regulations to inhibit small business formation, longest period of sustained unemployment at this level in history, first downgrading of creditworthiness of the USA in history, etc., etc., etc.

        You’re worse than delusional, you’re brain dead!

      • Vicki

        Doc Sarvis says to Vigilant:
        “I see you can’t dispute my standing, just call me baseless names. The easy way out.”

        You offered nothing to dispute. You made an assertion and offered no evidence to support it. Vigilant did not waste her time refuting that which is of no value (your unfounded and obviously false assertion).

      • Vigilant

        Thank you both, Nadzieja and Vicki. (:-)

    • Gray

      OMG. Wake up and smell the coffee. Really, what has Obama done for the middle and lower class? He’s just put more of us on welfare.

      • Robert Smith

        It’s the REPUBLICANS who put the stops on tax cuts for the middle class without the “trickle down” voodoo economics that haven’t worked in over 20 years.

        Rob

      • Vigilant

        Sonny, it was that “trickle down” voodoo economics” that gave us the longest period of sustained business prosperity in history.

    • Power To The People

      Obummer looking out for the middle???? No way…the 1% have done better under Obummer than any of the past 4 presidents in terms of their share of wealth. Obummer is for the cause and the cause is not the people…it is ruling the people while his wealthy friends…and him prosper.

      • Doc Sarvis

        President Obama has consistently been trying to get the 1% to contribute more to this country that has enabled them to be so successful. It has been the Republicans (and tea partiers) who have blocked him at every turn.

      • Vigilant

        You’re damned right they blocked him. Even liberals have come to understand that you don’t increase taxes during a recession, and that came from the darling of the left, John Maynard Keynes.

      • Vicki

        Hey Doc. Lets see what happens if you and obama get your wish and have the 1% contribute more.

        WARNING: Facts ahead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ

      • moonbeam

        Doc Sarvis, you sound like a friend of mine who is severely overdosed on obooboo’s kool aid. His face goes blank, pupils are dilated, then forms his lips to start with “…the republicans…”, repeating over and over like a broken record. He has yet to realize that there’s no real difference between the two parties. Both are outright stinking liars, whores and thieves.

        See, he gets all his info from MSNBC, not possessing the inclination to do his own research to find the real truth. I see you have the same problem. There is a “pill” for this addiction to putrid kool aid. It’s called RESEARCH. Should try it sometime. It can be very enlightening!

        When I did my research on bushboy, I couldn’t understand why he wasn’t behind bars. Doing my research on the current white house squatter, I can’t understand why he is even in the US, considering he is here illegally, never applied to become a US citizen, uses a different SSN that belongs to another in a state he never lived and a fake photo shop birth certificate to boot!

        Doc, I think you need a doctor.

      • Cheerio

        Left vs. Right, Rich vs Poor, Black vs. Right, Gay vs. Straight, Romney vs. Obama! It is the perfect divide and conquer tactic of socialism! Wake up O and R supporters. We are being pushed into a way of thinking, think for yourselves.

        http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/alert-occupy-the-source.html
        http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/about-us.html
        Read what these liberal women have become enlightened to. Hate, division, emotions are being flared to keep us blinded and divided. TMZ gossip is keeping a majority of Americans diverted from the truth. Look at what the media forces on us, it is either Romney or O, do we even have a choice???

        This is why the John Birch Society and Ron Paul’s 30+ years of warnings are so important. Even GB rides on the back of these “Founding Fathers of truth”. Ron Paul is perfect to bring Left and Right together to restore this nation.

        The Constitution, standing up for what is right, repenting and turning to God is the only way to stop the destruction come upon us. America has been infiltrated by those who want to destroy it for decades. How do we judge who is enemy who is friend? God, common sense and deep research. Newt Gingrich is supporting the TeaParty.Net, what does that tell you?

        Stop fighting against each other and come together with Freedom, our very lives and future in mind………

    • Dorian Douglas

      To Doc Sarvis

      Romney is for letting the rich make more, and pay more in tax $$$$, rather than raising tax rates and have the rich stop making money for which they would pay taxes. How many millionaires have we lost in the past 4 yrs??? They move (on paper) out of the country, or just stop investing. And we lose their tax revenue. (Learn about the inverse relationship of tax rates vs tax revenue before you vote.)

      Obama is for taxing ALL of us more. Remember, the Bush tax cuts lowered rates for EVERYONE. He isn’t for the middle class or the poor; he is for Obama, and the rest be damned. Look at what he did in Chicago in the ’80′s (I was there). Or you could look at what he has done in the past 3 years.

      Dorian Douglas

    • anned

      Obama just transferred TRILLIONS of your children’s money to Wall Street and the Big Banks through Stimulus, you idiot, all while you were watching “dancing with the stars”. He has taken from the poor and middle class and shifted it to his elite friends, soon there will be no middle class just more poor.

    • Nonnie Aversa

      You are not kidding Obama is for the middle class he the food stamp pres. and he wants their votes come Nov.that is his motive ;

    • REVDR

      YOUR AN IDIOT LIB. I CAN’T BE BOTHERED TO WRITE ANYMORE THAN THIS.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It appears that you are just plain envious of the rich because you may never get to that point and it also appears that you are not making that effort to become rich.

    • Patriot

      What’s up Doc? Inform yourself, Obama is shrinking the middle class into the poverty class, wake up before it is too late! When we get to the Utopian society that all the libs & progressives are promoting there will only be 2 classes, the elites and the poor. Read up on your history prior to injecting your posion here. Name 1 soceity in human history that has succeeded under a socialist or communist model.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Doc says: while our President is focused more on the middle class and the rest of us (the 99%).

      He sure is; like a wolf licking his chops!

  • http://libertyswarrior.wordpress.com blained13

    Obama is Romney lite, it may come down to whether or not we retake the Senate. Then try passing Ryan’s budget, force Romney to play ball so to speak. The deficits will continue but maybe we can start down the right path to some sanity.

    • Robert Smith

      It isn’t unprecidented that insurance is required. My car would not be on the road legally without insurance.

      Protecting me from someone else carrying diseases like TB is something I expect my government to do.

      I honestly don’t understand how anyone can object to universal health care. They are only protecting themselves.

      Rob

      • http://liberty fableanne

        Driving is a privilege, you don’t have to buy a car. You look like a kool-aide drinker that follows dumb and dumber.

      • NativeTexan

        Your comment is so stupid, I don’t know where to begin. Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right. If you don’t want to pay for the insurance, park your car. Buying medical insurance is a personal choice. No one can force you to make a purchase in this country. This is called LIBERTY. I want my government to provide only the eight enumerated powers alloted in the Constitution to that governing body, no more no less. The first listed and the most important is to provide for the defense of the country. We are being invaded by illegals and the idiots inside the beltway are more focused on giving away our money. If you need something to focus on, read this response over and over until you understand the true meaning of LIBERTY, then go drive your car without the seatbelt and think about LIBERTY.

      • http://Yahoo Donna

        Try living on 1100.0a month and can’t afford insurance I can barley afford to eat.Yes I have a car a 1995month Pontiac my insurance is very small

      • Dorian Douglas

        The difference is that you (and I and everyone else) are paying far more than necessary for health care. Did ACA include tort reform, or resolve the illegal alien problem, or create competition across state lines, or address ways to cut costs of pre-existing conditions, or fraud, or get the FDA to stop forcing us to buy expensive drugs, when there are inexpensive natural substances (eg: cures for cancer that have been known for 30 or more years)? And as for the deliberate uninsured, don’t treat them unless they pay in advance (radical, but who created the notion that health care is a right? O yeah, government.) But it is also a right to not have health care, if you don’t want to pay for it.

        No, government just threw more of our money at the problem. Let each of us manage our own $$$$, AFTER we get government to fix the problems they either created, or they let fester like an open sore.

        Government is not the solution to the problem, government created the problem.

        Dorian Douglas

      • Lonesome

        Come on man…wake up, are you kidding? Read a book once in a while? Try it, you may learn something. How did a lib get to this website?What a fool!

      • anned

        I honestly don’t understand how anyone could want universal healthcare, but to each his own, we are supposed to be a free country. I personally will never put a pharmaceutical drug in my mouth, or in my arm, but if you want to go right ahead, how’s it working for you? I eat only organic whole natural foods, I juice and supplement with herbs and vitamins. If I get the flu i cure it naturally. I will NEVER use chemo (poison) to try and cure anything, I will Never have another persons organ installed in my body nor will I have any of my organs removed. I use holistic healthcare (Chiropractic,accupuncture and frequency healing), none of which would be covered under the universal pharmaceutical healthcare, explain to me why I should be forced to pay for it? Especially since the congress and their aids, the unions, and certain states get to opt out of it. You sir, are terribly misinformed if you think this could possibly be for the good of the citizens and not just more money for the Big pharma and government. If it is so wonderful, then let the people decide if they want to pay for it, I’m sure when they see how wonderful it is they will be lining up to participate.

      • historyharper

        You don’t need national health care insurance to be protected from TB…there are already programs in place that do that….that makes your universal health care another one of those expensive, redundant programs. Check with your state or local health department I’m sure they would be happy to share the details regarding the regulations and programs with you….in fact, you could probably ask about other “protection” programs they have…and you could also get free immunizations for your children….but then that’s another redundancy with Obamacare.

        Wonder how you’ll like being told what and how much to eat? But then that’s another “protection” being offered by the universal plan. It’s already working in our schools and would be included in the federal food stamp program if Obama didn’t need those votes so badly…..just wait. Michelle probably already has a plan. But then, that’s more “protection”.

        The protections we need to be concerned with are those put forth in the Constitution….and Obama seems determined to see how many he can trample and grind under his foot. This is not a man who believes in the “American dream”l. He believes only in the fabricated ones he attributed to his father. Frankly, I’ll take Romney’s brand of government.

      • carrobin

        These guys who heroically claim to keep themselves healthy and thus avoid medical expenses are living in a dream world. Wait till they get hit by a car or find a lump where a lump isn’t supposed to be, and they’ll find out that everybody needs medical care at some point, except those who die young and suddenly–and you have to be a billionaire to pay for any major and extended treatment on your own. And then a for-profit insurance company can refuse to pay your bills, for any weird reason it can think up. What we need, of course, is Medicare for all citizens.

      • REVDR

        There is a big difference between having car insurance and being told to get health insurance or you’ll be fined. With car insurance you have a choice of not getting a car therefore you don’t need to get insurance with health insurance you have no choice and more than that, it’s not up to the government to tell me what to buy. For your information having health insurance will not protect you from TB or anything else. You have to be a closet liberal on here. I can smell you libs a mile away. Where will that stop at, it wont stop. Look around you at all the intrusion that the government is doing now with what you can eat, drink, where you can smoke or not smoke, etc. It starts out with what’s good for the people so people like you will blindly fall for it. Wake the f**k up you idiot and get off the cool-aid.

      • Patriot

        So maybe the government should dicate what you should eat, when you should sleep, how much air you exhale, you know all for the common good, you know! A government that has all these powers, has in the end the power to take them all away. Never forget what Liberty & Freedom are, if you do, you are lost! We need critical thinkers, not Drones!

      • Joan

        The problem with ObamaCare is that it is for all the illegals to get free health care. If you think it is far “all people” you are wrong…Obama thinks Senior Citizens and new born babies are not worth the “cost”. He also has a committee that decides who gets what treatment and where and if or if not they get any treatment at all. Better re-think.

      • Karolyn

        anned – I’m with you, and I’m po’d that I will be penalized for not enrolling in Medicare Part B (I’m 65.). I don’t NEED a doctor. Why should I have to have insurance? We are the minority – those who are not on some kind of chemicals or running to the doctor for every little thing, and we are discriminated against.

      • Karolyn

        carrobin – When it’s my time to go; it’s my time to go; and it might even be by my own hand. As far as accidents go, I do not attract them into my life. Everything we experience happens because it is attracted by the energy put out.

      • Concerned Montanan

        Do a little research and find out more about what is in the Obamacare plan. It is definitely not designed to protect you, only to control your life, even as to when and how you die. I am not joking. Maybe you can answer your own question as to why anyone would be against it.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        What is needed is a true single payer system ! there should be no insurance companies involved . All hospitals should be nonprofit with no privet hospitals aloud in the united states . The richest man in America should have to stand in line right next to the poorest to be treated . if they don’t like it they can seek medical care over seas . medical school should be free and a contract should be made with the doctors that if the want to move out of the country that they would have to reimburse our government with interest for the training they received . this could be payed for by cutting all foreign aid to other countries and a pay roll tax much like FICA .To bad for israel the free ride for them would be over because we could pay for much of the system with the money they get , FYI My girlfriend is a doctor from Russia she is sixty two years old went into medical school at 17 years of age and cant believe the way our medical system works and the greed of our doctors , she told me the doctors there were more about helping the people , here they are all about being millionaires . she could not believe that our ambulances did not have doctors and a real nurse on Bord and only had EMT ‘s

      • MNIce

        Donna, I live on $600 a month, and I also have an old car. I usually eat moderately well, and pay all my bills without government assistance. Of course, it helps to own my own home – no mortgage outstanding.

        Do not look to the Federal government to help you. That is what is destroying this country. People need to figure out how to improve their situation through intelligence, hard work, and above all, trust in God. To trust in government to provide is to place one’s confidence in an idol, and in the long run, will prove little more effective than bowing to a silver-plated statute (it’s more useful to sell the silver plating).

      • http://enumerated-powers.com Chuck Somerville

        That tired (Liberal) health-vs-car insuranceargument is logically flawed. Here’s why…

        You do NOT have to buy car insurance to repair your (already paid for) car after an accident if you would rather risk paying for repairs out of pocket. Same with medical insurance to “repair” your body when disease hits.

        You have to buy LIABILITY insurance if you want to drive on the public roads with other drivers – to protect THEM in case you hit them.

        Your bank requires you to buy coverage on your own car if it’s not fully paid for, to protect their collateral on the car loan.

      • Ted

        There are three institutions that limit the people’s personal liberty: the government, the churches, and the insurance companies. When any two of those three get together, we are really screwed.

      • Sheryn

        Anned… How old are you ??? Do you have children???

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Robert says: I honestly don’t understand how anyone can object to universal health care.

        Because, we CAN’T AFFORD IT!!! Who’s gonna PAY FOR IT??? The only way we can have universal health-care, is by BORROWING MORE BOGUS MONEY FROM THE FED!!! What part of this don’t you UNDERSTAND?

      • Warrior
      • boyscout

        The truth is that universal health care has the principle function of subsidizing Big Pharma (those nice impoverished folks who produce natural substance knock-offs with various toxic kickers) which benefits population stabilization by culling the misinformed and infirm. After all their ad campaigns, pay outs, kick backs, career interchanging with the FDA, and in the field “education” of working MDs, there is very little left for the needed gala celebrations.

      • Krazeehors

        And the government has BEEN protecting people from TB since the 30′s and 40′s. That is WHY they require TB tests of all healthcare workers, and most students before they enter school.

        I had a TB test every single year in junior high and high school, and THAT was in the 70s!!

        The point here is that we do NOT need sweeping government healthcare for everyone to require/protect people from TB, measles, etc. We ALSO do NOT need to be requiring birth control for every single female of childbearing age OR requiring employers to provide something that costs less than $10 a month!! Why fix a system that isn’t broken?

      • Joe Hammond

        Look at it this way….you have a priviledge when you drive a car legally that requires you carry a certain amount of insurance. You can choose to not own a car as many in NYC do. If you had to get somewhere quickly you would have to use a cab or borrow a car…….healthcare insurance is like having a car with insurance that can take you where you want to go when you want to go. Not having it is when an ambulance carries you to an emergenct room at a near broke hospital and you can’t pay the bill but instead it is passed onto the taxpayers……..

      • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurline

        Because it is not about your health care…it is about restributing the wealth and control of the masses. Wake up. The end game is to make it impossible through sky high premiums so that the insurance companies no longer handle health care….the whole d a m n thing was to have a single payer situation…and that single payer be the federal government. Maybe you like the government telling your what you can and cannot do….I personally do not because I still believe that I am their boss …. that they work for We. The People, not vice versa…but more of people like you are the real problem in this country as you expect someone to take care of your instead of taking care of yourself.

      • Bev

        You are the living epitome of what is wrong with our country. The “STATES” can do all kinds of things that the “FEDS” cannot do. Do you have a federal driving license – no because there isn’t one. If the people of Massachusetts wanted a health care plan for their state – they got it. If I want to own a machine gun in Texas – I can. It’s not the federal govt business. I don’t want the feds telling me what doctor I can see and when. One more thought – if Romney were to come in and implement harsh austerity measures this country would surely go tango uniform.

      • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

        Rob anything this Corrupt Government mandates is another step to Communism, since our Corrupt Congress and last 4 Presidents let 40 Million Illegals enter our Country and stay taking 12-14 Million Jobs and pay them Social Security, give them free medical, free Food Stamps, State aid free Schooling free living quarters and bring Disease’s that we haven’t seen in 55 years plus two parasites that kill that we have never had and all at the tax payers expense is Treason and as far as I am concerned Murder. Did you know that more than 11,000 American’s have been Murdered by Illegal’s and that over 80,000 Americans have died from the Diseases from these illegal’s, 20,000 in 2010 alone and that is just the people in big cities many more out in the remote area’s where they don’t keep that kind of record.

      • Gea

        Social security was never meant to be a life style but only help to people to pull themselves up in the hard times. This social security, medicaid and disability had destroyed many communities since it encourages indolence and having children out of wedlock, perpetuating dysfunctional and parasitic life styles. When young people have nothing to do they get into trouble and create problems for others. That is what happen when amount of dole depends on number of children one creates.

      • R.D. Cessna

        Mr., you’ve got “STUPID” written all over you !

      • Joan

        Oh Rob, you poor informed soul….Obama care will only make you pay more taxes to pay for all the illegals that don’t fall under the “have to buy your own” phase…anyway, you pay insurance on your car to protect you and the other drivers incase of an accident on your/or their parts. I hope you enjoy having your taxes raised to pay for all the “others” that don’t pay for their medical care.

      • http://gravatar.com/macgyver1948 macgyver1948

        Joan… It might just come down to which side we choose to believe when it comes to telling the truth, in this case with ObamaCare. In reality one side or the other is totally lying and misrepresenting the facts.. Time will tell, now that SCOTUS says it is ok, who is lying. It would also help to read Obamacare so we each can see who is lying. If we only listen to the side we choose we do not have our own opinions, we only have theirs.

    • Raymond Agnew

      In No Way Is It A 2 Man race It’s A 3 way Race For The White House LIBERTARIAN Gov. Gary Johnson / Judge James Gray vs Democrat Obama / Biden vs Republican Romney / VP???? !!! It Time For The Mass Exodus To The Libertarian Party Johnson / Gray LIBERTARIAN 2012 AMERICAN REVOLUTION 2 LIVE FREE ! & Every Libertarian On The Ballot FOR FREEDOMS VICTORY IN 12 !!!

      • http://enumerated-powers.com Chuck Somerville

        In this political environment there’s no such thing as a viable 3rd party candidate.

        Since what you want is conservative and not liberal / big government outcomes, a Libertarian candidate would only split the Republican votes, thereby helping Obama to win. If Obama wins, we really are lost.

        History: John Anderson, Ross Perot.
        ______________________________________

        The other choices are gone. Too bad.

        Hold your nose, vote for Romney, vote for conservatives in all local / state / congressional races, get involved with local politics* and hold all the politicians’ feet to the fire by communicating frequently with them as to what Americans want them to do.

        * Local politics includes fighting Wisconsin-style against public sector union abuse of taxpayer money, fighting Agenda 21 issues at town, county, and state levels, fight the Progressive robot-ization of our children in the public schools by getting involved with schools and school boards.

        Tip O’Neill: “All politics is local.”

      • Chris

        There can be no 3rd party in this race. RP is the only man who has the conny in mind,but he has no way of winning the nomination. Johnson/Gray running and taking millions of votes away from the rep vote will split the votes and hand Obama the 2012 election on a silver platter.
        As much as I DON’T want Mittens in the WH,we no longer have any choices left to us. Either Obama wins and America is lost forever,OR, Mittens wins and we take control over house/senate,and elect SCOTUS justices that adhere to and enforce constitutional law. This way,we have control over the congress,both sides,and,we control the SCOTUS with the majority that will investigate,arrest,and imprison the elites behind all of this. It’s the elites that inevitably control the money,therefore the elites have to be arrested.
        In essence,it is simply imperative that we DON’T split votes! Granted,Mittens is less than desireable,but he isn’t committed to ending America forever and we CAN control him with the above mentioned ways. We HAVE no other choices….

    • Chris

      If Romney is Obama lite,then we have very few options because it’s going to be one or the other. Obama and America dies,Mittens and we might have a chance,but he’s still a spender and big govt politician.
      It sounds to me like our only *solution* is to elect Mittens and then take control of both senate and house. Once we do,then WE control the money and coffers,then we can force him to play the way we want him to. Aside from that,we have no other options.

      • http://stevor.wordpress.com stevor

        Good in theory but only the Elite, who hold the purse strings, MAKE anything happen in Washington.

      • Chris

        Stevor:
        In response,what other alternatives do we have? If the elite control the money,then it would be imperative for us to not only control house-senate,but also to replace the supreme court justices with constitutional, America and freedom loving justices as well. The problem I see right now is that the SCOTUS has too many liberal,anti America justices that would never punish the elite or the big corporatists,much less punish people like Holder,Obama and the other puppets of the UN,the CFR and the elite rich. However…IF we were to control house-senate AND have the SCOTUS majority as constitutionalists, we might have a chance at actually arresting and prosecuting the elite?

      • Jimmy The Greek

        If it were not for AIPAC . we would have a much better selection of candidates , the way it is now if they don’t kiss the ring of the zionist they can never get elected, Ron Paul is a good example

      • Joan

        Obama and Romney ARE NOT the same….Romney pays his own way and so does Ann while Obama and Michelle love to spend the tax payers monies on expensive vacations and personal “stuff”. Take a look at the $$$ they have spent since occupying the WH. IF you add it all up, including the $$$ it takes for security on the Golf Courses he seems to keep busy, it will add up to more $$$ than more than 30-35 household salaries come to in the same amount of time. Besides, Romney is an honest man and Obama is a evil King wannabe.

      • Chris

        Thanks for your reply.
        Romney would be much better for America than Obama for sure. Obama wants America dead.Period. However,Romney DOES have some issues I dislike and those are that he’s a globalist,a big corporatist and quite possibly pro big govt. These worry me. However,I do not believe that he’s a member of the communist party like Obama is. I believe that he wants America to survive,but…will he change things to FAIR trade instead of FREE trade? Corporatists love free trade and it is exactly that,free trade, that has decimated the middle class,the m-c jobs and allowed all of the industrial jobs to go overseas. If he’s a globalist/big corporatist and he becomes POTUS, he MUST fight FOR Americans and bring work back home. This means he must do exactly opposite what corporatists want. He must change free trade to fair trade and reign in big corportae power to allow small businesses to start,survive and thrive.
        Secondly,he will have to support and make small government a reality. Will he do this willingly or will he be forced to by us taking control of the house-senate and SCOTUS?

        Our choices are extremely limited and we must make EVERY vote count.However,we will have no other option but to put a leash and harness on romney so we can control his actions.

      • Krazeehors

        I agree with the person who said, “Hold your nose, vote for Romney.”

        If you all would read the book “The Amateur,” you would find out JUST how DISSIMILAR Governor Romney and Obama really are!!

        The garbage you are hearing about Romney is just people on the left and the Paulbots trying to sway the conservative voice.

        All Romney has done that is like Obama for the most part is Romneycare. The court will probably throw it out tomorrow, at least I pray they will.

        His positives FAR outweigh Obama; and I won’t even mention the female dog Obama is married to.

      • Ruth

        For those who say to hold your nose and vote for Romney better plan to live in a Socialist country. Romney is a Socialist and is backed by George Soros, who is Obama’s puppet master.

      • Robert Rashbrooke

        You seem to forget that the list of candidates we choose from are PRESELECTED by the DNC and RNC, we actually have no free choice in whom we vote for.

        In turn. the DNC and the RNC are financed/controlled by the oligarcy that actually runs the US – or so I am informed. Another example of corruption at work. Can anyone provide an example of any goverment department, private operation or anything else that does not operate corruptly, by which I mean, NOT in the manner under which it was conceived and/or implemented, not necessarily people milking the system for their own personaL GAIN.

    • CesarCris

      In your super simplistic world, “free health care” is free health care.
      But you never look beyond and inside the saleman’s scheme and all the accompanying consequences. You don’t have any sense of how incompetent (or should I say totally unqualified) the leader and his party are when in comes to running a business, much less the US government.

    • James

      Ryan Budget… Ron Paul has said the Ryan budget doesn’t go far enough. I crave that kind of truth in analysis from politicians. Getting Romney to follow the Ryan budget might be better than if he does not but like playing tiddly winks on the deck of a sinking ship even that budget is not going to budge the problem. I can only hope first that Romney wins vs Obama and secondly that he is open minded enough that we can educate Romney after he wins to Ron Paul’s way of thinking. I have a feeling that MR will try to do the honorable thing by this country, I just hope he has an open mind enough not to be fooled by the status quo. On the other hand out of the available general election candidates if Gary Johnson could get the public’s attention, and be included in the poles and the debates, he has already said he would cut $1.5 trillion in 2013! As I see it he wouldn’t require so much educating. Voting for GJ would be a principled vote although he most likely won’t win its about voting for who should be the winner. I’m willing to vote on ideals and secondly want to remove public endorsement from the two main parties so as to change public policy so such a vote would serve two purposes. In order of my favorites for president: GJ, MR, then BHO (way last). See this good GJ interview video here to hear the budget statement first hand plus other important aspects of his platform: http://youtu.be/1KHe0Tw1Cvo Thanks.

    • hawkeye10

      The good news is we actually don’t have to choose between dumb and dumber….We can choose Erasmus of America… called “The Einstein of Economics” and he has this Omni Law that is a Civil Rights Act for America, and if it is passed before November, then we won’t have to choose either one of Romney or Obama for President, because they truly don’t know what to do. Erasmus does. From what I understand, a constitutional convention can be called, and then the current Government can be abolished. You would actually have to read it from Erasmus of America, because it is explained best by him. You can get a copy of the Omni Law sent to you by emailing fastboomamericaneconomy@gmail.com

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