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Suspending All Logic

June 8, 2012 by  

Suspending All Logic
BIOGRAPHY.COM
Because Barack Obama Sr. was not a U.S. citizen, Barack Obama Jr. is not a natural-born citizen.

Believing without doubt the official birth narrative of President Barack Obama — that he was born to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. in a hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, on Aug. 4, 1961 — requires a complete suspension of logic.

Last month, I pointed out in How Can Anyone Be A Birther? a partial list of reasons to doubt the official story. Note that I say it’s only a partial list. There is enough evidence to produce reasonable doubt in the minds of reasonable people that Obama is not a natural-born United States citizen as required in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

Obama has for several years claimed he was born in Hawaii. He has also claimed, through his official biography with a literary agent and as a young man in Hawaii, that he was born in Kenya.

Both of those are not possible. Therefore, one is a lie. Obama is, among other things, a liar.

 

 

No official original long-form birth certificate for Obama has ever been shown to media or to investigators. The only evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii comes from a liar – Obama — and in the form of an electronic document that investigators and document experts have determined is a forgery.

Former Senior Hawaii elections clerk Timothy Lee Adams claims in a Master’s thesis that there is no long-form birth certificate for Barack Obama on file in Hawaii. Adams writes in his thesis that Hawaii elections officials are aware of this fact.

From the thesis:

For starters, just because there is no long form birth certificate on file in Hawaii, that doesn’t rule out President Obama being born elsewhere in the United States, or even in Hawaii. What it does mean is this: President Obama’s official autobiography is false. Whether the President was born in the United States or no, we have no public documentation to prove that one way or the other. We do know that no hospital in Hawaii has any record of his birth there. We do know, that a child born quote, “In hospital, in Hawaii,” in the first half of the 1960s would have been issued a standard, long-form birth certificate, complete with all the normal birth documentation, signature of the attending physician and so on.

Adams also writes that his supervisors in the elections office also knew and admitted to him there was no long-form birth certificate on file for Obama.

The mainstream media and Congress have abdicated their responsibilities on the Obama narrative. Worse, they are complicit in Obama’s lie. The Hawaii elections clerk is also complicit in the lie, having emailed the Arizona Secretary of State that a long-form birth certificate is on file in the Hawaii elections office. These lies have convinced many to suspend all logic.

In his novel 1984, George Orwell wrote, “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” It has worked so well that the act of questioning the words of a liar who claims a forged document is legitimate has become crazy conspiracy theory nuttery.

But if you are willing to suspend all logic and believe the lie, there’s still the issue of Obama’s “father’s” citizenship, which disqualifies Obama regardless of his birth place.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone here:
    I swear this frivilous issue is getting so irritating that i’m banging my head against a four foot concrete wall!! For the last and 1,000th time, Obama and Rubio are natural Born Citizens that are eligible to be President of this nation. First of all, how many times to the world has to prove to you’ll that Obama’s birth certificate is genuine!?! HONESTLY!! Then ,when it comes to Rubio, his parents were legal residents waiting for full citizenship when he was born in Miami,Fl. Granted, his parents didn’t become full citizens until 4 yrs later. Yet, according to the 14th amendment ,which it seems you people want to abolish, this would automatically meet the right citizen requirements for him to run for president.
    Now, when coming to Obama, if you want to defeat him then these are the issues to use.
    First of all, why did he give AIG those bonuses they didn’t need? True, those bonuses were paid back but they never should of been issued from the outset. Secondly, he said he would cut the deficit in half: however, the deficit has doubled under his tenure. Thirdly, why are we still in Afghanistan, a wasteful war. He’s pulled troops out, nevertheless, troops are going to be stationed there to 2024. Fourthly, and finally, why does he go on T.V. like a pop-star, instead of doing what he should be doing. That’s working on these problems along with the Econ. If we would concentrate on those issues, there would be a chance to defeat him. But, when you keep running on this baloney, it takes the mind off these dilemmas. Which will only make it easier for him to get re-elected.
    Finally, i want to be careful not to sound like the P.Cers here. Also, i don’t want to use the ethnic card. Yet, it seems underlying reasons you individuals are upset is because a “brother” is in the W.H. and he will be re-elected again because of his competition or more like lack of!! Then, you’re afraid a Latino Man will get elected in 2016. He, too, has talked about taking a “brother” as a V.P. by the name of J.C.Watts. Therefore, the days of the Anglo-male President is over. If this wasn’t the case, you’ll wouldn’t be dealing with such a petty item. Truly analyze plus reflect on this for awhile. TGIF!!

    • CB

      The voters proved that racism is no longer a factor when they voted for Obama. The tone of your comments and your use of the terms, ‘brother’ suggest to me that you are using the ethnic card.

    • Winddrinker

      Tony, the only thing I got out of your post is that you are doing nothing but “playing the RACE CARD!” (You all don’t like the Kenyan because he is a “brother.” Sniff, Sniff)

      Catch a Grip!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Windrinker:
        You’re the one who needs to get a grip!! TGIF!!

    • Walt

      Tony, you are so uninformed about the difference between basic citizenship and “natural born citizenship” that it makes me bang my head as well.

      Please stop commenting on this issue until you do the proper research on the subject, because you are embarrasing yourself with your lack of knowledge on this issue.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Tony,

      You write: “I swear this frivilous (sic) issue is getting so irritating that i’m (sic) banging my head against a four foot concrete wall!!” If this issue is frivolous as you say, why have you posted here eight times?

      You write: “For the last and 1,000th time, Obama and Rubio are natural Born Citizens that are eligible to be President of this nation.” Repeating a lie 1,000 times or 1 million times does not make it any less a lie.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Kate8

        Bob – It’s at the point where there is no way to reason with people like Tony. He is a true believer.

        You came up with the best possible answer. I’m actually blown away by it.

        Good job.

      • brett

        touche bob. takes one to know one!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Tony, YOU are an ABSOLUTE IDIOT!!!

  • OOOOPPert EEEEpert

    the most compelling reason: For race, these idiots who forged it, put “AFRICAN”……AFRICAN is not a race, for there are white AFRICANS…at that time, the 60′s,, they would’ve have put either BLACK or NEGRO….

    • Karolyn

      His father’s nationality was indicated as “African”.

      • JUKEBOX

        Egyptians are from Africa, but they are not called African. Africa is a Continent, not a country. Even in the Bible, they are not called Africans.

      • Karolyn

        Come on Jukebox. People from Africa are Africans. People from America are Americans.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Karolyn, birth certificates do NOT ask for nationality. They ask for race. African is NOT a race and in the 60s, his race would have been listed as Negro, not African, not black. Negro!

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – Do people from say, Canada, Mexico or Brazil, refer to themselves as American? Or has that come to mean from the US?

        I ask because I’ve never heard anyone from any part of the Americas refer to themselves as American, other than people from the US. If they did, it would be assumed that they meant the US.

      • Karolyn

        OK. Maybe my analogy was a bit off. However, black people from Africa are referred to as African unless you know the particular country they come from. I don’t think they would have referred to Barack, Sr. as “negro” because he was actually from another country. Of course, it was different in those days, and one can only surmise what it was like in Hawaii.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – They would still not have used African to describe race. There are many Africans who are not black. There are many Arabs and whites who are from the African continent.

        Nope. The term back then was negro, and it was a perfectly acceptable one in those days. It was before the advent of PC.

  • CB

    The real mystery for me is that the Democratic Party did not properly vet Obama
    before they ran him as a candidate for president. Throughout all the controversy over Obama’a birthplace, the Democratic Party has been silent. If Obama is not a US natural born citizen as our Constitution demands, then who is behind the scenes that brought this man to the national stage and then to the presidency. Why are so many Democratic officials and newspeople cooperating in the national lie? There is no way that anyone could pull off a scam of this magnitutde without a lot of help. This my fellow citizens is a freightening thought.

    • ROSINA

      it has recently come to light that approx. 80 of the Demoncraps in Congress Really belong to the Communist party. Allen West was practically eviscerated for detailing this and what their purpose has been.
      So, they naturally would not bother to vet another trained marxist, who frequented a marxist preacher and church would they?

      • CB

        I had not heard this, but it comes as no susrprise. I think it runs much deeper. I also believe that the news organizations are withholding much from the American Citizens.
        Thank goodness for the truth seekers.

    • Steve

      Thank you CB,
      Finally the right question. Follow the dollars.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      CB, there is a relatively small group of “elite” individuals who control everything. They decide who runs and who wins. They manipulate everything by virtue of their money and power. They control the congress, the senate and the main stream media. They have been running their agenda in secret for many years. Lately, due to the introduction of the Internet, their secrets are coming to light. Their plans for us are reaching the end stage and many things are coming out. Even as these things are happening you won’t hear about them on the news or from your representatives. They DON’T represent YOU!!! The whole point is to stop you from finding out so that you will be obedient and not try to stop them. They have already destroyed our country. Let me say that again, they have already destroyed our country! Our economy has already started to crash and we WILL have complete collapse. It has already begun. They are expecting riots and chaos and have developed a plan to confiscate everything we own and lock us up in the FEMA camps. They are staffed and ready to go. Start reading online. When you find something, keep following the links until you find the evidence that will convince you. I know it sounds crazy. But when you keep following the crazy claims you will eventually be led to a government document that confirms it for you. Keep going. Get out of the dark.

  • Chester

    For those of you who believe, heart and soul, that Obama was NOT born in the US, tell me one single item that would change your mind that you could NOT have some “expert” decide was either forged or made up out of whole cloth. I have heard umpteen million excuses as to why that long form birth certificate HAD to be a forgery, but no one has even attempted to say WHO forged it or why. The paper was of the right age, the ink was of the right age, yet it HAD to have been forged quite some time after his birth, so start explaining all the discrepancies in your own logic.

    • Bev

      I don’t believe there is a “paper copy” to compare it to. Are you even aware of the work that has been done to prove the forgery of the long form. Perhaps you should do some research. Experts in the field of document forensics have unequivocally stated that this so called birth certificate is a huge forgery. Goebbels would’ve loved you in Nazi Germany.

    • Ted Crawford

      Nice try comrade! The document in question here was generated electronically, neither paper nor ink was used!

    • Steve E

      Sounds like you are talking about a well made counterfeit $20 bill in your description. It fools a lot of people.

    • jb aukamm

      REad my post above, he never produced a long form, only a short form, the kind issued to US citizens born outside the US. It is clear he was not born in Honolulu, his grandmother did the announcement in the paper and his mother was never a patient in the Honolulu hospitals. Since she was not yet 21 and living in Kenya and then Indonesia, BHO was not a natualized US citizen, BHO was a Kenyan before being adopted by an Indonesian and changed his name to Barry Soetoro.

      • JUKEBOX

        I would like to see a copy of the passport they used to bring little Barry Soetoro back to Hawaii, as well as the court papers changing his name back to Barak Hussein Obama, Jr.

    • liberalbasher1955

      First sir when BHO was born the word black wasn’t used. “Negro” and “colored” remained the popular terms until the late 1960s. So that is one glaring problem with that BC. In other words they did what they do best. Not doing their homework !

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Cheter, I don’t know where you get your news but you need to find another source! Like the others said, no one has ever seen a paper copy of obummer’s birth certificate. So if someone told you that the paper and ink were correct for the time, they’re flat out lying to you! It was posted online, had supposedly been scanned. Experts (and kids) immediately proved that the document had not been scanned but had been created by using “Photo Shop”. Then a full investigation was carried out by Arizona Sheriff, Joe Arpaio. his experts proved beyond all doubt that the document was not a scanned copy but WAS indeed a forgery! Then in April there was a court case in New Jersey, contesting obummer’s right to have his name on the ballot. The lawyer representing obummer admitted that the birth certificate that he presented to the American people was indeed a forgery!

      http://visiontoamerica.org/9248/barack-obamas-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-forged/

      She claimed that since the document was a forgery, it couldn’t be used as evidence against him and that no one could prove that he wasnt a citizen. Anyway, get a new news source! Yours sucks!!!

  • Lulubelle

    George Soros for one plus any Americans who feel that polical correctness is accepting any african american just because they are black.How about the integrity & character of ANY person? Barack Obama is neither……..

    • JUKEBOX

      He’s not a genuine black either, only halfway

  • http://www.meetup.com/White-Plains-Tea-Party/ Jonny Cool

    We all know the Media and the Whitehouse are working together and the people are suffering because of this. The so called mis-spoke {Lies} coming out of the Highest position in the land is overwhelming to say the least. We have our God Given rights to not only Vote out such a U.N.-Delegate but to also shut off such corrupt news and their propaganda that they spread. For an example this morning watching Darrel Issa questioning Eric Holder on whether or not he knew about the Fast and Furious Gun fiasco is irrelevant. It is his job {Eric Holder} to know what is going on and he did not do it. His position should be vacated immediately without question. Same as the U.N. Delegate in Charge.We must as Americans continue our pressure on these types and put back people in these positions with Honesty and Valour before our beloved Country falls apart.United we Stand Divided we Fall.

    • Carl Manning

      Therein lies the Achilles’ Heel of our Republic. The Justice Department is not even Constitutional. It is a creation of Congress that grew originally innocently out of the President needing a lawyer to consult with Congress on the Constitutionality of executive powers in reference to legislation being passed by Congress. What it has become is something the Founding Fathers would be horrified by: a means whereby the President can remain above the law, punish his political enemies, and secure Dictatorial powers in the land. This Achilles’ Heel of our Republic has now been exploited by the KGB Communist plant in the White House and his Communist associates. It may just be too late to save our Republic now. I always knew this day would eventually come to our Republic; our (in)Justice Department answering only to the President and the CIA acting as a completely unaccountable criminal enterprise answering to the President was a glaring open advertisment to all of the world that we were a Dictatorship-in-waiting, given the right infiltration. Get used to it because these guys aren’t going away ever.

  • old hillbilly

    In the fourth year of presidency… no one knows who the great pretender is, or much about anything he accomplished. Sealed college records, no real birth certificate, a very sordid past of drugs, irresponsibility, and communist revolutionaries, says the straw man is a very dangerous person. If his mouth is moving, it’s lying & mocking what America was. (Lowest spending in history, biggest job creator in history???)… meanwhile highest unemployment in the black communities that support him. Can anyone name a business created in a slum… other than bulldozing the rubble left behind by welfare generations that continue to be fed & chained like dogs?

    What is his mode of operation… government offices & czars filled with communists and subversives who are working night and day bringing our economy to a screeching stop by regulations and edicts that strip the wealth of America… almost none appointed with advise and consent! Borders & language ripped to shreds… An unending war against Christianity, while spending billions of public money for muslims, Hamas, muslim brotherhood, etc. Can we name anything significantly well done?

    Are we to believe “birthers” are complete idiots for “not believing” in Obama? Legally, one lie is enough to discard testimony in court… and the bummerites literally scourge anyone who doesn’t trust BO!!! Are we to believe the Obamaites can’t eventually create fake birth certificates that look like the real ones, after three years of trying & failing & being prompted by those who unwittingly prove what a legitimate certificate is? How many fakes does it take to prove a lie? The first one! Believe & Trust… $5 trillion new unpayable debt & no end in sight, a nation divided as never before… needs the background in full of this pretender!

    • Gary L

      Well said Hillbilly. Unfortuntely, the truth, though rare these days, appears to be of little value or interest in our society today. The truth is not worth much if it is never known.
      That is why they try so hard to hide it from us.

    • ROSINA

      Excellent summary.
      But you forgot one thing-he thinks he is one of the BEST presidents along with Lincoln and FDR (another commie) or maybe it was another one.
      Talk about full of himself-he can write better speeches than his speechwriters???
      He can anything better than anyone else?????
      Except make a speech without a teleprompter!!! Ha! Ha!

  • Aileen

    I will only say that Obama is a liar from the day of his birth to this very moment. He has not shown that he is a proven leader in any way other than the strong arm Chicago politics he lives. His father was not an American citizen which disqualifies him outright. Nothing he has said or done has been truthfull. Now that he can ‘evolve’ in one way does that mean he evolves in every way? This man is dangerous and needs to be removed from office. He thinks he is god and that he knows better than anyone of us. I know he doesn’t know what is best for me and mine. His motivation is to destroy America. We will all regret his reign of terror.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Oh, come on. Maybe(?) he told the truth. Once…….? Maybe…….? When he was a little kid…….? Oh, probably not. You’re probably right.

  • http://yahoo bob peters

    Tsk Tsk the democruts drank all the koolaid..None left for you repubs…Just a few rinos got to drink…Oh well,your american capitalist society is about to crumble and you can do nothing about it! just whine! Want some cheese??? tsk tsk

    • Nadzieja Batki

      If America fails who will the rest of the world have to sponge off?

      • Hammer

        What drugs did you say you are on?? You are fantasizing again and should seek the help of a mental institution. It is apparent that your brains are fried due to overdosing on obamaphen, one of the worst drugs in our country today.
        This drug has had a seriously adverse side effect on your thinking and some how, it is apparent that you have acquired a severe case of Optiorectalistus. In case you are not quite sure of what this medical condition is, it is the problem of your optic nerves attaching themselves to your rectum. The end result is that it gives you a rally crap_y outlook on life.
        Now go see your doctor for a cure, you are in serious need of one as you are becoming more delusional with the passing of each second.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Hammer, first check to whom you are replying to and if you are not sure reread before you post your comment. You can also write in the person’s name that you are replying to.

    • liberalbasher1955

      bob peters says:

      June 8, 2012 at 8:17 am

      Tsk Tsk the democruts drank all the koolaid..None left for you repubs…Just a few rinos got to drink…Oh well,your american capitalist society is about to crumble and you can do nothing about it! just whine! Want some cheese??? tsk tsk

      Sir you better hope it doesn’t crash ! This man BHO has so divided this nation in just over three short years that I believe that if the national system crashes along with the division produced by this man. We could look like the old USSR with state fighting state. Breaking up and balkanising. The left has caused so much unrest with all the class warfare and cultural attacks. A collapes would be produce chaos ! We must not forget that we are a young nation. But we’re not a melting pot anymore. The left has seen to that. With this multiculturalism BS being taught in the schools and universities.Thats why this man was never givien the scrutiny required before he was elected. He was given a free pass. Why you ask ? Because of the white guilt instilled in the young whites of this country. Yes I’ll call a spade a spade ! That has to stop ! This man is a charlatan, lair, and fake ! He was that from day one in chicago. That alone should have sent up reds flags. His entire white house staff came from that den of criminal politicians. People they can’t keep a govenor out of jail ! But we elect a POTUS from their ranks !We really deserve this man. I found this in a paper in europe. There is alot more like it.

      This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the Czech Republic as published in the Prager Zeitung of April 28 2011.

      “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.”

      This is so very true !!

      • CB

        I would agree with you in that it is the American voter who puts politicians in office.
        As long as they are content to grab on to an electronic bite and run with it to the nearest ballot box, we are hopelessly lost. Voters seem to fall into one of three catorgories: Fully invested in their chosen political party so much so that regardless of the facts, they always vote for the same party, voters who don’t really like politics and avoid the political ‘news’ until elections come around. They will vote for whatever name sounds familiar, thereby keeping in office lifetime politicians who do not deserve to be there. And the one that rally touches my heart, when a voter is sooo impressed by a robotcall, or a knock on the door by someone soliciting votes or has ‘seen’ the candidate at a rally. An actual handshake is a sure fire vote getter. Those people should do the country a favor and stay home on election day. I vote for voter ID’s. .

  • http://Personalliberty.com Ron b

    you really would have to wonder…where did Obama really come from? Who’s backing him?..and why is he working so hard to destroy this country right along with his cronnies?

    • vanessa

      Ron b the answer is George Soros who wants the one world government. If you guys think Hillary is better then you better read “The Shadow Party” Hillary was the one who was supposed to do Soros’s bidding in the first place. This is all a set up. Elect Obummer he fails then Hillary rides in on a white horse and “saves” the day. Only the day is a nightmare because she’s in deeper than he is.

      • Winddrinker

        Vanessa, I do believe that billary is “as bad or worse” than the illegal Kenyan-born foreigner. She is hard at work, as we post, giving away the sovereignty of our country.
        It is stunning at the rate in which American sovereignty is disappearing as our leaders are abdocating our rights to international powers and making our congress obsolete.

      • Ted Crawford

        Not at all surprizing, considering ole Georgies background. He aided the Nazis in rounding up, imprisoning, torturing and killing, not just his fellow countryman but members of his own race, and sharing in the bounty of confiscated goods! That’s not even the frightening part !
        Organizations like the Nazis normally get all the good they can from their ” useful idiots ” and then subject them to the same treatment as their other victims. Soros not only managed to escape that fate but he kept the loot! This guy must be diabolically clever and devious!
        We discount him at our own peril!

      • Gary L

        There are many involved in the dimantling of our sovereignty. They are more thatn willing to piss on our rights and even worse, the constitution. Such actions should be viewed as treasonous. But much of congress is complicit with such actions.

    • JUKEBOX

      Those are the answers to the $16 trillion question!

    • Walt

      Where did Obama come from? One issue that hasn’t been addressed here is the fact that Stanley Dunham (Obama’s grandfather) was a CIA agent and that his daughter (Stanley Ann Dunham) was also employed by the CIA, working for the CIA front organization USAID in the far east. It is also well known that Stanley Ann Dunham’s parents were active in communist circles. Whether their activities were as CIA plants or as true believers is really unknown; however, they showed no objection to allowing Barack to associate with a known communist Frank marshall Davis, who Obama referred to as a “mentor” and who treated him like a son.

      If indeed the Dunham’s had influence within the CIA, in it’s early days, right after WWII, it would be an easy task to set up or provide all the necessary documents to allow their “golden boy” grandson to climb the political ladder with all the right credentials (SSN, college degrees, etc.) In fact, it is alledged that Elena Kagan’s appointment to the Supreme Court is “payback” for his Harvard Law Degree documentation.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      One word! satan!!!

      • brett

        ha! the church lady, good one!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      This is a possibility. Lots of speculation. Lots of circumstantial evidence not no definitive proof.
      http://patdollard.com/2012/05/new-film-claims-communist-frank-marshall-davis-is-barack-obamas-biological-father/

  • Terry

    The fact remains the the democratic controlled congress in 2008 went deeper into Sen. John McCains record of birth and covered up anything about BHO is laughable ! How do you answer the charge his father isn’t a US citizen ? That is undeniable. How do you answer the charges of faked or forged documents handed to the news media and the state of Arizona. It took two years to get it ! The democrats and BHO caused this. The fact that this could damage the entire political structure of the country is why both the dems and repubs are trying to sweep this under the rug. Only a left wing zealot wouldn’t see the holes in the Democrats and BHO’s case. What is sadder is the Republicans will let this slide.

  • http://palantirmusings.wordpress.com palantirmusings

    At this point, I don’t really care if he was born in the U.S. or not. He was never qualified to be President of the United States because he is a liar, a coward, and a communist/islamofacist sympathizer. That alone should have been enough for people in 2008. But, with all his “qualifications”, or lack thereof, being white washed by the mainstream media and the implication made by them that you would be racist if you did not vote for him, it was inevitable that the young and the ignorant in this country would vote for him. However, having experienced the malevolence of his policies and the now unmasked policies of the general Democrat party, I think we are in for the treat of a landslide defeat for them this November. At that point, it might be useful to declare the Obama presidency as null and void by proving he was Kenyan-born in order to quickly roll back all the damage he has done. Supreme Court justices being the first order of business.

    • Daveh234

      “The young and the ignorant” are at fault. You have such a high regard for your fellow Americans! Why is everyone an idiot if they disagree with your opinion. This is how things are. The Republicans are as responsible as anyone for the strangling of our rights as anyone. But those who voted are idiots, oh wait, only those who voted the way you didn’t want them to.
      Your a pitiful excuse for a human for dragging your knuckles and saying such crap.

      • alex

        dave, there is a BIG difference between an idiot and someone who is ignorant but in your case i would say they are the same

      • JUKEBOX

        Ignorance and stupidity needs to be painful!

      • http://palantirmusings.wordpress.com palantirmusings

        JUKEBOX: Unfortunately, it is. The youth, stupidity, and ignorance that swept Obama in office is painful for all who must endure the policies imposed on the country at large.

      • RichE

        STUPID YOUTH then maybe we should improve the public school system? Nah! Bad idea, socialism, big government, bad, bad idea.

      • Daveh234

        Alex, what you said makes no sense about what I was saying.
        My point is valid. period.
        I am neither youthful nor ignorant, by the way.
        That is your opinion. It is wrong.
        ‘Nuff said.

      • http://palantirmusings.wordpress.com palantirmusings

        I think this quote from Winston Churchill says it all…. ““If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

  • Beata

    I think (therefore I am) that the true question is, not where Barack was born (who cares how you spell it), but WHERE WAS HIS FATHER BORN, (IF HE IS HIS FATHER). Let’s get some of the investigation going in that direction! By the way, where was Arnold Schwarzeneger born? Didn’t we have this same discussion, showing my age, when Henry Kissinger was in the public eye. Come on you great investigators, get on this before November! PLEASE!
    Granny in OHIO.

    • liberalbasher1955

      The Arnold was born in Austria. So can’t run for president. BHO ? We really don’t know where he was born. His grandmother and him both said at diferent times Kenya ! But we all know how he writes his books. It was a composite of several people that became BHO. Thats it ! A little bit of Ayers. A little bit of Rev. Wright. A little bit Mao Zedong. Take your pick folks !

  • CJ

    The Republicans are considering the same outcome by thinking Marco Rubio should be considered for VP. If the main purpose for a vice is to take over for the head guy, shouldn’t they meet the same quals? Rubio has offered his official certificate, but he does not meet the ‘natural born’ definition… unless you use Orwell’s offered explaination.

  • Warrior

    Forget about little barry, the story to watch is going to be how the “progressives” are going to orchestrate little joey’s newly developed physical ailment so billary can be inserted into the veep slot. It’s comin.

    • Karolyn

      I thought I already heard that Biden was bowing out .

      • Neil

        Kind of sad when this happens. Maybe Barry found someone new at his gay bash in L.A.

  • Benton Bain

    Stanley Ann Dunham was not a patient at either hospitals in Honolulu on Aug, 4, 1961 when supposedly Hussein Obama was born there.

  • 4LoveOfGod&Country

    Vote them all out. A person complicit in a lie is himself dishonest. We have a fraud occupying OUR White House & a self rather than WE THE PEOPLE interested legislative branch that won’t do anything about it. VOTE in November. May God bless the USA.

  • Carfield

    I can’t believe the stupidity of these remarks. He has produced his birth certificate and Hawaii is in the US of A. Also, don’t forget, his mother is American so he would automatically be a citizen. Is it because he is black???? John McCain was not born in the US and I didn’t see anyone requiring him to prove it. Wake up people – all this hate is going to destroy us within – then will you be happy?????

    • CJ

      We’ll be happy when fools like you start using common sense and accept evidence over hocus-pocus. You use lies to support your fantasy, then argue against pure logic.

      • alex

        the reason the dumocraps keep the birth certificate story alive is the misdirection LOOK AT HIS FATHER

    • Kwizmiss

      McCain had to prove his citizenship at the very beginning of campaigning because the DNC demanded it. However, both his parents were US citizens at his birth making him eligible for the Presidency. If Pres. Obama’s book and the Hawaiian birth certificate are indeed factual, then Pres. Obama has never been qualified to be the president according to the constitution. DUH!

      • liberalbasher1955

        That would never stop the democrats. A little thing like the consitution ? Come on ! thats just a piece of paper till they wanna hide behind it.

      • Douglas patriot

        McCain is not elligable because he was born in a panamanin hospital on panamanian soil that was subcontracted to handle all births at that time off base in a nearby city, otherwise as you say he would be elligable but sorry he is not!

      • CB

        I’ll say again: The United States signed a treaty with Panama stating that the babies born of American Servicemen stationed in the Canal Zone would be automatic American Citizens. This was done because the hospital that the military contracted with to serve the military and their spouses, was situated just ouside the border of the Canal Zone and Panama City.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Douglas patriot you are wrong.If there was no base clinic or base hospital to deliver a child of our military personnel, the facility that was used by our military would “become” for that child’s birth as if he was born on a base hospital. Then the paperwork would have to be procured and signed by the Consul of the United States of America.

    • jimster

      McCane did have to prove he met the constitutional requirements to be president the first time he ran for president, as you know he was born in Panama on a US military base to American parents, which meets the requirements.

      • alex

        and he was born on U.S. soil

    • Mis

      @carfield….obama is approx 10% black and about 40% arab…..so stop with the black racist remarks…..why is it that the only time I hear about racisim is from a Democrat or the potus himself. He has the record for being the most devisive potus in history and he relishes any opportunity to make the racism accusation. 95% of blacks voted for this potus just because he said he was black……isn’t that racist? Check the mirror, you have kool aid stains around your mouth.

    • ROSINA

      Wrong Carfield.
      mccain had to show his documents.
      Yes, he was born in Panama, BUT on a US BASE which officially becomes US territory.
      Both his parents were citizens as he is.
      BOTH< BOTH parents.
      So stop reciting nonsense.

      • CB

        I agree. Also, children born of American Servicemen stationed in the Canal Zone, by treaty with Panama, are American Citizens. I believe that is the case with McCain.

      • Douglas patriot

        NOT!

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Douglas patriot, it appears that you do not know how the military and the State Department deals with childrens’ births abroad of soldiers stationed overseas.

    • Walt

      Carfield Says: “Also, don’t forget, his mother is American so he would automatically be a citizen.”

      Here are the facts about this issue. According to the Nationality Act of 1940: Chapter II, (Nationality At Birth) Section 201, paragraph (g)

      This addresses the issue of a parent conveying citizenship to a child if one parent is a citizen and the other a non-citizen of the U.S.

      The requirement states that the citizen parent (in Obama’s case, his mother) must have lived in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 16, prior to giving birth; thus requiring Obama’s mother to have been at least 21 years of age to be legally able to convey basic U.S. citizenship (not “natural born citizen” status). Obama’s mother was not 21 years old when she gave birth to Obama. Stanley Ann Dunham was born on Nov. 29, 1942 and her son Barack Obama was born in August 4, 1961, making her 18 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth. In fact, based on a 9 month gestation period, Obama’s mother was 17 years old when she got pregnant by the Kenyan polygamist.

      • Douglas patriot

        Obama gave up his US citizenship when his step father adopted him and got him citizenship in indonesia. FACT!

      • ehancock

        Obama was not adopted in Indonesia, which requires the action of a district court, and no court papers have been found. Nor have Soetoro’s blood children referred to Obama as “brother,” because he was never adopted. He was only, for a time (until the divorce), a stepbrother.

        Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm.

    • Gary L

      There are those blinders again.

      • IDart

        If you cannot even get his supporters to admit that there is a difference in the defination of “citizen” and “natural born citizen” then you are wasting your time.

    • JUKEBOX

      Carfield, you are being a racist when you call Obama “BLACK”, because by definition, he is a MULATTO.

    • Dale on the left coast

      Garf . . . he has actually produced TWO . . . both electronic forgeries . . . which of the forgeries is the one that does it for you?

    • R L Morgan

      Number one he is not black, he is a half breed claiming the black label as a point of expediancy or so he can use the sympathy race card. The Black race should be insulted that he is claiming to be the first black president. He is as much white as he is black and he is a disgrace to both races with his socialist ideology. The man is being used as a pawn to bring down the country that is a shineing city on a hill to downtrodden people all over the world.

      • Karolyn

        In the real world, people who are mixed and of a dark complexion consider themselves black.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Carfield, do you know how to read? Do you know how to click on the many links that have been posted proving that the birth certificate obummer posted was a forgery? Do you even BOTHER to look? It has been settled! obummer’s attorney admitted IN A COURT OF LAW that the birth certificate that obummer presented to the American people IS A FORGERY!!!
      http://visiontoamerica.org/9248/barack-obamas-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-forged/
      Stop saying the same thing over and over when it has been proven and admitted to being a forgery! obummer has not give ANY evidence to ANYONE to prove that he is a citizen, let alone a “natural born” citizen. He is a communist plant!!!

      • CB

        Natural born citizens do not have to produce a forged birth certificate. If you lose or misplace yours, just go to the court house and get another one. Since birth certificates are a matter of public record, you can check on your friend or neighbor while you’re there.

      • ehancock

        Obama’s lawyer never said any such thing. A birther “reporter” said that she said it, but she didn’t say it.

        Obama has shown his short form and long form birth certificate and the facts on them have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials in Hawaii, and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and by the “Index Data.”

        http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

        Only birther “experts,” who have not proven that they are real experts, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial, have said that Obama’s birth certificate is forged. That is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review do not believe them.

  • HarryButtle

    “No official original long-form birth certificate for Obama has ever been shown to media or to investigators”.

    What are you talking about?

    Obama releases long-form birth certificate
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20057812-503544.html

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear HarryButtle,

      That is a forgery, according to investigators and electronics documents experts.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • KJQ

        I’m one of the latter. I downloaded the PDF from the White House web site myself and examined it. That e-document is a forgery (i.e. has been tampered with electronically).

        Bob, I’m glad you mentioned Obama’s father’s citizenship because this IS more important and invalidates Obama’s candidacy. the USSC defined ‘natural born citizen’ to mean BOTH parents being US citizens.

      • alex

        the birth certificate is minor was his father ever a U.S. citizen

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Don’t forget, obummer’s lawyer admitted in a court of law that the birth certificate that he submitted to the American people IS a forgery!
        http://visiontoamerica.org/9248/barack-obamas-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-forged/

      • Kate8

        Nancy – Yes. And I found it an absolute outrage that his lawyer claimed that, as it was not a valid BC, it could not be entered into evidence!

        Where is the issue of fraud?

      • ehancock

        Re: “Yes. And I found it an absolute outrage that his lawyer claimed that, as it was not a valid BC, it could not be entered into evidence!”

        She never said any such thing. What she said, and it is the truth, is that New Jersey does not require a birth certificate for people who run for president, and so it would be simply a waste of time for the court to see a birth certificate.

        The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that Obama’s birth certificate exists and that the facts on the birth certificate that Obama published are accurate. Here is the latest confirmation: http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/06/hawaii-very-officially-verifies-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/

        That follows several other confirmations, by Republican and Democrat officials (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle), and it is further confirmed by the Index Data–a public list of the birth certificates on file that shows a birth certificate for Obama filed in 1961–and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers’ Health Bureau Statistics section in 1961. As the name shows, the notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and the DOH at the time only sent out the notices for births in Hawaii.

    • liberalbasher1955

      Yes on that too many poeple have allready come out an admited that there is no long form BC for BHO on record in Hawaii !

      • ehancock

        That is not true.

        Officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that Obama’s birth certificate exists and that the facts on the birth certificate that Obama published are accurate. Here is the latest confirmation: http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/06/hawaii-very-officially-verifies-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/

        That follows several other confirmations, by Republican and Democrat officials (including the former Republican governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle), and it is further confirmed by the Index Data–a public list of the birth certificates on file that shows a birth certificate for Obama filed in 1961–and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers’ Health Bureau Statistics section in 1961. As the name shows, the notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and the DOH at the time only sent out the notices for births in Hawaii.

    • Mis

      @harrybuttle…..believing something just because someone says it’s a fact, doesn’t make it the truth. So many in this country have “blind faith” in obamas words….perhaps because America is so desperate for the hope and change he promised but failed to deliver. Obama has had over 3 years to show his true character and it’s hardly Presidential. I would think that would be enough for his supporters to see what he is. I’m convinced this man and his wife are frauds and both deserve long prison sentences and so do the officials from Hawaii who assisted this preposterous lie. Hawaii is guilty of a crime against all the people of America!

    • Gary L

      HarryButtle,
      An OBama attorney has come out and acknowledged that the birth certificate is a fake.

      • ehancock

        NO she didn’t. A birther “reporter” said that she did, but she didn’t.

    • jb aukamm

      Sorry, everyone here is missing the boat, you are all buying into the scam! Both sides don’t get the real story. The official birth certificate Obama has released is the short form issued to the grand parent since his mother is a US citizen, the grandmother is the one who posted the newspaper announcement of his birth. All people, like John McCain born outside the US can get that short form issued. The official long form is issued by a hospital or doctor if the birth was on US soil. Obama’s mother was a US citizen! Normally he would be a naturalized US citizen no matter where he was born. His problem was that after being born in Kenya as a US citizen, his mother moved to Indonesia and married a man named Soetoro. This is the story he is trying to hide, because Barack changed his name to Barry Soetoro and became a citizen of Indonesia when his step father adopted him. If you look at all his paper trail after that, he is Barry Soetoro and followed his mother back to the US. Barry needed to file a new form with the state department for reinstatement of citizenship and he would have been granted that automatically. He never filed that form and since the US does not allow dual US and Indonesian citizenships, Barry Soetoro is still an Indonesian. His mother filed that form for herself and Maya her daughter, but not Barry.

    • Douglas patriot

      Yet another in your face blatant forgery!! The man is using the SSN# of a dead man from connecticut and could not now or ever pass a background check or a govt screening for a job. How did the usurper ever even get a passport or drivers license. It’s like he bought all this stuff on a street corner in honolulu like the illegals do in so many other american sanctuary cities!

    • http://www.facebook.com/roy.koch.33 Roy Koch

      I have a Long Form Deed to a Big Bridge in New York that I’d love to sell your Gullible Butt!!

    • Surflaunch

      Oh yeah, that forgery with the name of a hospital on it that did not even exist untiul 7 years later.
      I completely forgot about that piece of toilet paper.
      Now that we know Obama is also a master of time travel.
      Please excuse us all for our ignorance.

    • Carl Manning

      Harry,

      Most foreign intelligence agencies around the world were able to determine within minutes that it was a forgery when it was released on April 27th, 2011. This was amateur work. Forensic, counterfeiting, and typography experts along with computer experts were able to ascertain it was a forgery within hours and days of the release. The MSM didn’t even bother with trying to verify this document. They accepted it on face value as bonafide truth from the dictator because they were threatened by the FTC and FCC government agencies with revocation of their broadcasting licenses. Some journalists who attempted to cover Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse’s press conference on March 1st of this year have already given sworn affidavits that they and their families were threatened. Some even quit their professions over these threats. Many of the mainstream talk radio idiots got in line with the GOP on this because they’re just “carrying the water” for the GOP, or were they possibly also threatened by the government??? In the face of all that the GOP has done to destroy this nation, it is mind-boggling how the usual Neocons, Sean Insanity, Rush Bimbo, Machine-gun Annie Coulter, and others still support this political party and can still call themselves “Conservatives”. They are so deluded with their support and belief in the government’s 911 lie; their entire careers have been based on LIES spoonfed to them by the CIA-controlled media. There is nothing even remotely “CONSERVATIVE” about the GOP today, and their complicity in High Treason for allowing Obama to even step foot in the Oval Office is the clarion call to abandon this party altogether. The REAL story behind this whole ineligibility issue is whether or not a deal was made behind the scenes between the DemoCommies and the Neocon Republifascists. How else can you explain the confidence the Dems had in putting forth a candidate that they knew was never qualified to begin with? Hillary and Bill and many others in the DNC Establishment knew Obama wasn’t qualified before he ever became the Democrat’s nominated candidate. As Bettina Viviano, a Hollywood Producer who attended a DNC fundraiser for Hillary in 2008 has testified in a sworn affidavit, Obama had his goonsquad murder Bill and Hillary’s good friend, the Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman, Bill Gwatney, to send a message to them both to not go public with the ineligibility issue. She had overheard Bill Clinton pointing out to others at the soiree that he knew Obama was ineligible and intended to go public with this information. Even after Obama assassinated Bill Gwatney, Bill remained undeterred and defiant, so Obama then sent word through DNC backchannels that “Chelsea would be next” if he went public. Bill and Hillary complied and buried the issue, but was Hillary offered the SOS position possibly as a deal to buy her/their silence??? I believe there had to have also been a deal with the GOP Establishment. Did the GOP make a deal that they would be silent and feign ignorance in return for a free pass in the MSM for a future ineligibile Marco Rubio Presidency or Vice-Presidency??? Or, is it all simply that neither one of these parties really gives a damn about the Constitution to begin with??? Or, is it simply that the GOP is entirely compromised, blackmailed, bribed, and corrupt along with the State governments and judges who have been willing accomplices in all of this??? Maybe, it’s a combination of all of these to explain this. I will not be rewarding any of the GOP’s Treasonous behavior whatsoever at all levels of government; I’m voting strictly a Third Party ticket straight down the line just as I have done for the last several elections. THE GOP IS OUR ENEMY, TOO!!! The sooner we realize this, the better off we will be. The hour is terribly late; all we have left is a prayer.

      • Karolyn

        So I guess no congressman or woman, no mainstream journalist, no politician or other person other than those who write blogs has any balls? EVERYBODY, from the little people working in t he registrar’s office in Hawaii to the FBI to every congress person is in on the great conspiracy?

      • RichE

        Karolyn, wouldn’t it be logical to include the Electoral College in the conspiracy since they actually make the final decision?

      • Karolyn

        Absolutely, Rich. You just can’t tell me that there is nobody in this country (which is still free btw) who could make the big break if there was sufficient evidence. What about Trump? For all his money and bravado, why hasn’t he pursued the issue? Why did he drop the issue, now pick it up again, but still not bring out any new info? Obviously, there is NOT enough evidence, otherwise somebody would have the story of the century. Surely, Trump has no fear and would love to bring about the fall of Obama. The thing is all Trump has is a big mouth and a lot of money.

      • RichE

        Karolyn,
        I think Trump would change his mind if someone would inform him that JoeBiden would then be president. Sorry Joe.

      • AZ-Ike

        Amen. The best way we can even attempt to restore the Constitution and the Rule of Law is to refuse to reelect any incumbent politician–Democrat or GOP–at every level of government. We are supposed to have a government by consent of the governed. We actually have a government in which the People have NO voice at all.

      • CB

        You paint a very bleak picture. I do not disagree with you, but what do you suggest for people to do? What do see the military doing? Will they go along as they are sworn to do? Already there are several military personnel who are speaking out against the POTUS. That number would likely grow under your scenerio. Again, while I do not disagree, I still have hope for a better outcome. Of course, pray, pray, pray for this great Country.

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – There are people who are pursuing this, like Sheriff Arpaio, Jerome Corsi and others. They also live with death threats, and the knowing that the entire government is in on the conspiracy.

        Congress has been neutered long ago. Those bunch of weasels will stoop to anything to cover their b*tts. The courts have been taken, too. Judge Roll dared to rule against Obama. When one’s family…children… are threatened, they cave.

        Congress knows what’s coming, and they are feathering their own nests. We can’t count on them. They fear us along with the rest of the scumbags, because we know that we know that they’ve betrayed us.

        Our government has been infiltrated and usurped from the inside. It is now us vs them. I heard that 80% of the military is on our side, but I wouldn’t bank on it.

        It IS a huge conspiracy. This is easy when it is so compartmentalized. Hundreds, thousands of groups, many not even understanding their part. Just look at how Agenda 21 is progressing.

        They’ve been at it for a century. They’ve hired the best to help them with all aspects of it. If you really want to understand what, how and who, it’s available. Just don’t keep blowing it off just because you don’t know and don’t want to know.

      • Carl Manning

        Trump is no idiot. He knows how evil the CIA is. He likely knows how the CIA killed JFK, JFK Jr, Princess Diana, RFK, MLK, Paul Wellstone, the DC madam, and Jeanette Palfrey. He is likely thoroughly acquainted with the political hits Obama ordered on Donald Young, Nathan Spencer, Larry Bland, “Lieutenant” Quarles Harris, Bill Gwatney, and possibly many others. Surely, he knows how Clinton murdered Ron Brown, Vince Foster before they were about to testify against Clinton and countless others from his CIA/drug-trafficking days in Mena, Arkansas. He also knows Clinton murdered former CIA Director, William Colby who was getting too close to the truth about the Vince Foster assassination. Trump knows he’s dealing with a criminal cartel full of serial murderers when he’s dealing with the US Presidency. He knows they can “suicide” or “accident” anybody out of the picture without leaving a trace of evidence. He likely knows that the CIA controls the USA MSM. The CIA is a NWO organization. Trump knows you can’t get 100 judges to rule in your favor consistently with a mountain of evidence against you without bribery and “coercion”.

  • The Professor

    It is said that if you tell a lie long enough with enough confiction, the lie morphs into the truth, even though it is still a lie.
    Obama can thank his mama for starting this lie when he was just a cute little baby.
    Today, Hawaii, Obama, and every liberal out there continues to feed this lie out of necessity. Their Socialist livelyhood depends on it, the Constitution be damned.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      “Cute little baby”? More like “Rosemary’s baby”!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Come on! I thought I’d get a rise out of people. Has no one heard of “Rosemary’s Baby”?

      • Kate8

        Nancy – Some here are, no doubt, too young to know of Rosemary’s Baby.

        I think you just may be right about it, though. It does fit, doesn’t it?

  • Wyatt

    The truly sad part of this tale is that fraud is now in the White House and has intimidated Congress into complacency . Either that or all of Washington is involved in a plot to destroy our country . As for the MSM you know had there been any question of an issue like this within the Republican Party , the story would be front and center each and very day in the papers and News program .
    With all the evidence that has been unearthed , and is continuing to be exposed there has to a point where this can be no longer ignored . If an individualwill lie about this , what else will he lie about and what IS he lying about .

    • Gary L

      Wyatt,

      Congress is not complacent. They are COMPLICIT.
      Perhaps not all, but many.

      • Aileen

        Of coarse they are complicit, not one word from anyone in office to take action in demanding him to leave office on his own or to oust him. This should make us all skeptical of everything Congress does. If he wins in November it will be by fraud and intimidation. Black Panthers and Acorn? Do not forget them.

      • Karolyn

        I would think ALL of them, even Rand and Ron Paul. The information is so readily available to anyone in the world, any congressperson not aware of what is going on is living in a cave or is just ignoring things in favor of keeping their foothold (and maybe their life?) I have come to the conclusion that ANYTHING is possible. However, NO ONE other than the inner circle really knows the real truth.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Absolutely, Gary L! Congress is definitely complicit! They don’t want to rock the boat because all they care about is “getting theirs”! They ALL stand by as the enemy has invaded our country and is defeating us! They are ALL guilty of treason!!!

    • alex

      they are holding comment until after the election if romney wins they will bring up the fact that his father was born in mexico did he fver get his U.S. citizenship

      • Nadzieja Batki

        A verification may be done at the U. S. Citizenship and Imigration Services for Romney.Will anyone be permitted to check is questionable.
        As for children born overseas of Military Personnel stationed overseas:
        Department of State issued a Certificate of Birth Abroad,
        on a form headed: DEPARTMENT OF STATE
        FOREGN SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
        Certification of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America
        The certificate is signed by a Consul of the United States of America

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It is my understanding that even if romney’s father was born in Mexico, his parents were US citizens. That makes him (romney’s father) a US citizen. romney’s father does not need to be “natural born”, only romney himself. He (romney) was born in the US and his parents were citizens. So he is qualified. I am no fan of romney but at least he is legal!

    • JUKEBOX

      If this fraud were a Republican, he would be serving time at a Federal Prison.

  • Rasta

    Where do you find these idiots?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Rasta,

      Another compelling argument from the debate team star. You are mesmerizing.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • JimCO

    Probably because the Associated Press made no such reference; the identification of Barack Obama as “Kenyan-born” was added to the Sunday Standard’s version of the AP story by someone else (who misspelled the politician’s given name as “Barrack” in the process) and is apparently unique to that publication. The full text of the “Jack Ryan Abandons Senate Bid” article as originally issued by the Associated Press is retrievable from the LexisNexis archive of global news sources, and it contains no reference (in the lead-in or elsewhere) to Barack Obama’s being “Kenyan-born”

  • http://liberty Tony

    Correction proved!!

    • JeffH

      Tony, I addressed this issue with you the other day but you just ignored it. The fact of the matter is that Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and never could be. Time to repeat the lesson and reference the 4 Supreme Court cases that confirm and define the definition of “natural born citizen” , it’s origin and why the term “natural born citizen” is in the Constitution.

      The Supreme Court of the United States has given the definition of what a “natural born citizen” is. Since being a natural born citizen is an objective qualification and requirement of office for the U.S. President, it is important for all U.S. Citizens to undertsand what this term means.
      http://usa-wethepeople.com/2010/04/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/

      Let’s cut through all the opinion and speculation, all the “he says”, “she says”, fluff, and go right to the irrefutable, constitutional authority on all terms and phrases mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: the Supreme Court of the United States.

      There are 4 such cases which speak of the notion of “natural born citizenship”.

      Each of these 4 Supreme Court cases will cite or apply the definition of this term, as given in a book entitled, The Law of Nations, written by Emmerich de Vattel, a Swiss-German philosopher of law. In that book, the following definition of a “natural born citizen” appears, in Book I, Chapter 19, § 212, of the English translation of 1797 (p. 110):

      § 212. Citizens and natives.

      The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. . . .

      iIt should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

      Hence every U.S. Citizen must accept this definition or categorical designation, and fulfil his constitutional duties accordingly. No member of Congress, no judge of the Federal Judiciary, no elected or appointed official in Federal or State government has the right to use any other definition; and if he does, he is acting unlawfully, because unconstitutionally.

      • JeffH

        Tony, just so ya know, Obama’s father was never a US citizen which means Obama could never be a “natural born citizen”…thus, the birth certificate really becomes unimportant other than confirming that his father was not a citizen of the US>

      • Jeff

        (offensive comment removed)

      • JeffH

        Jeff, thanks for the intelligent and well thought response. It’s a good thing having ignorant liberals like yourself posting these comments so other commenters recognize what you’re made of. Keep on posting.

      • ehancock

        The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not the parents.

        “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.” — Black’s Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition

        “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    Please drop this nonsense, Okay!?! I talked about this yesterday, but, the man is a natural born citizen. State of Hawaii has proves this upteen times. What do you need, a film taping Obama’s birth in the Hawaiian hospital!?! Sheesh!! Have a good day!!

    • R Classen

      Regardless of whether he is eligible to ‘legally’ be the president or not, HE IS. Americans will rue the day they ever elected him. The man’s whole life story is a fairy tale……fiction. He is the definition of the term “golden boy”. Question is who’s?

      • Mike in MI

        Sadly…R. Classen, you’re painfully right. –
        We’re going to pay for President Used Scumbag for a long, long time. Unless he is somehow indicted, impeached and sent off to Antarctic exile, prison or whatever penalties for high crimes and transgressions against the Constitution can be brought against Scbg his obscene dreams will come true… barring some incredible miracle God’s people can unitedly believe God to intercede with. But, I don’t see enough believers uniting on anything (or even agreeing that there is a problem that needs resolution) or carrying out whatever we on our part have to do to get Him to do it. Just praying for something is never sufficient to indicate any reality of believing (It’s just lining up for some sort of spiritual welfare – free lunch without committing anything of self.)
        But, then of course, getting an impeachment action would have to rely on a Congress that is, as Bob says, complicit with Scumbag.
        One of Scbg’s dreams is to get rid of the internal combustion fossil fuel engine. I think that could happen indirectly. I was driving today and realized rural roads are getting kinda rough – nothing new in MI. Then I realized that our counties and municipalities are having trouble getting financed. Well, Duh. Ding-dong sucked all the wealth out of the system and gave it away for Ishmaelite outreach (islamics) and teacher bonuses (which isn’t that much different).
        So anyway, what are the roads going to look like in a few winters? Probably a stock market graph…not something our low-slung cars can negotiate. That’ll turn off the economy in a big way unless people have mountain bikes and rappeling equipment to get to town.
        Voila!…the internal combustion engine non-functional.
        Gonna be lots of stuff like that.

      • Kate8

        Mike in MI – I think you are right about how things will be phased out. Scbg likes to do things indirectly, to get around the will of the people. Won’t matter about the cars or the roads, anyway… No one will be able to afford the gas and maintenance but the elite.

        One things I’ve noticed about “God’s people”: the elite have succeeded quite nicely in making sure that everyone is, not only divided, but actually hostile against other factions. Each denomination thinks they have it right, and caution their flock against any of the others… Sad.

        And it’s the same with the alternative news outlets, many of which claim to be responding to a higher calling. I visit many diverse sources, and it seems that they’ve all been fed disinfo and are at each other’s throats, each accusing the others of being disinfo agents… It’s enough to make you scream. It is part of the psy ops to confuse everyone with disinfo. Most of them probably don’t even know they are being used. Some probably do. In any case, the result is that we can’t trust any of them. Makes it hard to know what kind of action to take.

        One guy even was saying that Obama was actually a mole for the good guys. Sheesh. Well, if he was, at least, due to his ineligible status, his actions would all be voided when the dust settled. Found that one really hard to swallow.

        Meanwhile, from all appearances, the situation continues to degrade…

        I did read this article this morning, which says that Romney does NOT have the nomination in the bag. Ron Paul is still standing strong, with many delegate votes still in question.

        http://dprogram.net/2012/06/08/7-secrets-destroying-the-candidacy-of-mitt-romney-that-the-rnc-does-not-want-you-to-know/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

        Just maybe, if we keep the faith… I do believe that miracles can happen.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 – amen, amEN and AMEN
        You been learnin’ some stuff from the time since my recollections of early posts I read from you. Early from the point I joined the parade, anyway. ‘Tsa’ride! Goes fer me, too. I’ve learned and emptied my bucket, and that made room to learn more. Funny seems like there’s basically one group who’ve stayed static. Course, maybe, Mr. Livingston sees a different perspective from nearer to the “Four Corners” vista (or whatever they call that mountain down there where one can see far and wide).
        Haven’t we all?
        Ther’ve been a few changes on this site in the last few years. I sure love talking to the old, right(eous)and virtue driven stalwarts…even if I don’t give a retort. Correspondence doesn’t always require an indication of opinion. No use responding if the time isn’t right or the point adequately developped.
        Thanks, Bob L. for setting this up and for following thru…and for joining in on salient points (from your position on the salient).

    • Bellerophon

      A lengthy list of reasons for doubting the Obama birth narrative has been presented. Do you have an equally lengthy list of why we should believe the narrative and reject the doubts? The people who study this subject are those who are not willing to accept the “received wisdom from on high” at face value. We doubters are much stronger in our belief based on evidence than you are in your belief based on pure faith of the word of someone who is a serial liar. I regret that your naivete is probably representative of all too many people in our country. By welcoming such an alien into a leadership role in our country, you may have contributed to our undoing as a nation.

      • S Johnson

        No matter if there’s a belief in whether he’s a natural born citizen or not! he has already commited many impeachable acts! I sure don’t understand some peoples insistance on denying outright lies on his part! “Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me twice, shame on me!

      • ehancock
      • Toy

        I understand that Kissinger gave Obama or…whatever he’s calling himself now, his first job.
        If that’s true what came out of it was inevitable!

    • kategray

      It would appear to you that the laws of America mean no more to you than a hang nail. This is the most important position in this country and we want to have respect for it. By disregarding the CONSITUTION you are disrespecting this COUNTRY and we are the laughing stock to the rest of the world because we have an ILLEGAL sitting in our WHITE HOUSE.The democrats have pulled the greatest CON-JOB in the historyof this NATION because they did not even check his certificate and they were in power in the house and senate at the time.

      • AZ-Ike

        Kate,
        Yes, the Democrats pulled the greates con-job in history, but please dont continue with your theory that it was because they didn’t check his birth history. The Democrats knew from the before Obama starte his campaign that he isn’t a natural born Citizen. For years various Members of Congress have been trying to change the law so the natural born Citizen clause would not apply. They all know exactly what it means: a person born IN the country to parents who are both citizens OF the country.

        Nancy Pelosi sent 49 states verification letters in 2008 stating Obama was the Democratic candidate for President. Only Hawaii received a different verification letter stating Obama was the constitutionally eligible Democratic candidate for President. Still think the Democrats didn’t know he wasn’t eligible to run?

        Although being born in the U.S. is necessary, it is only half of the citizenship requirements for the highest Office in the land. Obama is not, and never was, eligible to become President of the United States and being voted President by a majority of the Electoral Votes does not make him a legal President. Everything he has done, signed, etc. is unconstitutional and needs to be nullified by Congress and the supreme Court–primarily so it wan’t set a precedent for future ‘illegal’ officials.

        The fact that Obama, Congress and the courts have removed any possibility for the People to question him and other unconstitutional acts that all three branches of government have forced on us shows already that tyranny is the status quo of our government. It is even more disappointing that most of our State governments are complicit in the tyranny against the People.

        Officially, it is the People who decide what is constitutional or not, and the People have spoken; Obama is a fraud. Unfortunately the People of the United States have yet to realize that all governments in the United States are governing by coercion of the People and totally ignore ‘consent of the governed.’ The only way to change that is to change ALL the corrupt, career politiciant and judges who will desperately try to maintain the status quo.

        We will see what the elections of 2012 will bring–reelecting the corrupt, incumbent politicians, or cleaning house for a new attempt at restoring our constitutionally guaranteed Rights and Liberties.

      • Kate8

        kategray – The thing is, the democrats knew he was not American born. Pelosi and others repeatedly tried to pass bills which would allow a foreign-born person to run for POTUS, but failed. Since they couldn’t change the law, they decided to cover it up.

        He was groomed for this office, to be a shill for the communist factions of the NWO. Much of his funding came from the old Soviets, and they are on record as having told an investigative reporter that Barack Obama (who was yet unheard of) would be the next POTUS. It was all pre-planned.

        Just look at how they pulled off such a con on the gullible, wide-eyed Leftist idiots in America. The media portrayed him as almost a god, and the Lefties swooned. Red flags were flying all over the place warning of what he was up to, but, like warnings on drug ads, they did not register with his devotees.

        It amuses me when people on the Left state staunchly that he is Hawaiian born and legit, in spite of the overwhelming evidence otherwise, showing themselves to be the people without reason that Bob is talking about.

        It’s sad that we have so many who are willing to put party before the American people and the good of the nation. It is sad that we have so many who have succumbed to the mind-control due to indoctrination and fluoridation, and who knows what else…

        We already know that these people cannot be counted on to save America. They are too far gone. We can only have pity on them, and know that, had we been more awake and vigilant over these past decades, they would not have been sacrificed to the forces of evil. We have to accept some of the responsibility for their weak-mindedness.

      • Mike in MI

        K88 – “…due to indoctrination and flouridation and whatever else”
        It’s safe to add “medication” to that list. One of the reasons there is a hue and loud cry for ObamaCare is the numbers of people chronicly medicated. They just don’t feel it’s their fault they got sick, or depressed, or bad genes (seldom true), or tempted by the sugar god, or attacked by a horde of consenting partners, or, or, or, …ad infinitum. They understand OBlame-a-nother…
        “It’s someone else’s fault…can’t be me.”
        Just wait ’til the medications start to disappear – then reappear in some flea market or black market…as they most certainly will. That’s where the money always is.

      • CB

        I definitely think everyone should have medical care when they are sick. That said, it is absolutely appaling the amount of money that is spent on prescription drugs. Doctors go through a lot of prescription pads to keep the pharmecutical companies rich and their patients sick. Yes, there are those times when you actually can benefit from meds, but no one should be on prescriptions permamently. Many seniors are on as many as 10-12 different meds. Neither the Pharmecutical Companies or the Doctors have any knowledge of the complicated interactions of taking so many drugs. It is easy to whip out the prescription pad and send the patient along their way,when Docotors should be counseling patients about eating nutritious foods so they can heal their bodies and get well. Too many people consider pro active health care as getting a flu shot.

      • Kate8

        CB – The flaw in the “medical care” logic is that the same people who are waiting with the drugs and the treatments for our illnesses are the ones who are putting the fluoride and other toxins in the water, tampering with our food, polluting our air, and doing everything possible to insure a steady stream of sick folks to partake of their offerings. Which, BTW, never really make you well. They just keep you enslaved to “disease management”, drugging your ever-changing (due to side-effects) symptoms.

        What if we all became informed about how to take care of our own health? What if we grew our own food and demanded that they stop “treating” all of the water with toxic chemicals “for our benefit”? How about we learn about all of the wonderful natural ways to heal ourselves, which really do make us better? How about we learn to live in union with our soul/spirit, and heal the inner wounds and sickness which is at the root of all illness?

        The medical system is part of the system of the beast. It is controlled by the Rockefeller family, the American faction of the NWO, and it was set up for our ultimate degradation and demise. There are other and better ways. It is absolutely not necessary for us to have to pay unto poverty to have medical “care”. Another gorilla in the room when discussing whether we have the “right” to medical care paid for by others, or whether we must fork over to pay for the less fortunate, because (for some reason) the costs are beyond the reach of all but the most wealthy. Receiving such “care” is not often in one’s best interest at all

      • CB

        Best thing one can do is to eat the proverbial apple a day and stay away from doctors, unless absolutely necessary. In other words, eat yourself well and you can avoid the need for doctors. I do not mean this to sound uncaring, but many times people are better off without medical care and the resulting prescription drugs. Bottom line see a doctor only when necessaryand hopefully when you really need medical care it will available for you.

      • Jeff

        Do you have any idea WTF you are talking about? Where does the Constitution say “natural born citizen” depends on the father’s birthplace? If you had a toe to stand on, don’t you think a lawsuit would have been filed by now? I’m sure you could get Thomas and the Scalito twins, at least, to disqualify Obama because he’s just so, so, so. . . icky!

        I suggest you take to your bed until the scary, scary Black man goes away.

    • Gary L

      Tony, it is amazing to me how you and your kind can be so obtuse.
      You are all so intent on implanting your noses in Obama’s back side you cannot see the truth because of the butt cheek blinders you all wear. Whether you will admit it or not, you really have no interest in the truth. Your wish and intent is the perpetuation of the pathetic status quo.

      • Kate8

        Gary L – Then again, there’s always that! LOL.

        Very aptly stated!

      • Mike in MI

        Gary – Why be amazed???
        It’s already been proven that it’s mostly a genetic defect, mutational in nature. It aso makes them (liberals) inordinately curious, seek variety, diversity and change in life – leap before you look sort of lifestyles. “Fairness” to all is a big characteristic, sharing and they want to share their hypersensuality with everybody they can.
        So, some day they’ll totally outnumber “normal” people…to become the new “norm”. At that point, if not already, the world will become chaotic, lawless, without order. Either that, or in efforts to establish some degree of reasonableness – - – martial law, total control and coercion.
        But, before that, their effects will far outstrip their numbers. (How many unruly kids did it take in a classroom to stop the continuity of the learning environment? 3? 5? 2?
        No, usually only one out of 30 is sufficient to cause discord and confusion enough to mess up everybody’s experience.) But, what are you going to do? People like them want them to develop unfettered, unrestrained learning and “freedom from unwarranted constraints”.
        Can we say NEA?

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I agree with everything you said other than the “beast’ part. It is so weird that when somebody of a certain age goes to the doctor and is not on any medication, they are thought of as an oddity. It’s like everybody has to belong to the prescription club. I qualified for Medicare this year and refused Part b because I don’t need it, but I guess I’ll eventually be penalized and have to get it. Ridiculous!

    • Tom

      A “natural born citizen” is a subset of citizen. To be a natural born citizen, both parents must be citizens at the time of birth. Which.by definition, makes Obama unqualifie if you believe that his “birth certificate” is real.

      And yes, that also makes Marco Rubio unqualified because his parents became naturalized citizens after his birth.

      • Winddrinker

        Tom, Rubio is “unqualified as well.” But, the talking heads at Fox News always bring up Rubio as a “good candidate” for VP.. So, Fox, in their own way, is promoting ANOTHER “unqualified candidate.” What is wrong with those people, like Hannity.

        And, Rubio has his own agenda… Not to matter that he grew up in this country, he is aligned with the interests of Hispanics and Latinos in America. They put him in office.
        Rubio has been reluctant to throw his hat in the arena, I believe, because he knows that he is not constitutionally qualified..

      • Douglas patriot

        Mitt Romney is also not legally/ constitutionally qualified either as his father was born on a mormon colony in chihuahua mexico and his birth certificate shows him as a mexican citizen. Also be it known that John McCain is also not qualified by the same criteria. Most people believe he was born on a military base in its hospital and if this were true I would have no problem withit. The truth however is that he was born in a panamanian hospital off base subcontracted to handle births so yeah now I have a problem, just as I do with obama/soetoro and rubio. Something is very rotten lately since all we are offered as presidential front runners are non citizens ineligable by the constitution the highest law of the land!!

      • Dorian Douglas

        Sam & others.

        If BO was born in the US, he is a NatBorn citizen (14th Amendment), and so is Rubio.

        I don’t know where BO was born. But I knew immediately on seeing the short form (& later the LF) that they were not legit, because both show his father as “Kenyan”. Kenya wasn’t yet a country then! Later, I learned the name of the hospital changed AFTER BO was born, but both forms show the NEW name, so are not copies of any original.

        But that doesn’t necessarily prove he is or isn’t a citizen. It wouldn’t surprise me that Soros may have planted false evidence to get us to chase our tails!

        But none of that matters now. We are poised to solve the problem if we focus on getting rid of him in November. If we continue this issue, we are only giving the Progressive media an excuse to distract the undecideds from his record. We are not changing any more minds about his citizenship.

        Focus!

        Dorian Douglas

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Douglas Patriot, I am NO fan of romney but he is a natural born citizen. It doesn’t matter where his father was born as long as his father was a citizen. The candidate must be a natural born citizen. The candidate’s father and mother must only be citizens. By virtue of his parents being citizens and his (romneys) being born in the US, he (romney) is a natural born citizen.

      • Winddrinker

        Douglas, I don’t know where your are getting your information about Romney not being a “Natural Born Candidate” but your source is wrong.

        Romney has already released to the public his “legitimate Birth Certificate.” He was born of parents that were BOTH American Citizens…..(For your info, NO OTHER COUNTRY, except this one, bestows “Citizenship” on children born in their country to foreign parents!)

        You don’t have to worry about Romney’s citizenship status. If there is anyway that the libs can get Romney disqualified…they are already working on it! But, they won’t be able to prove that he is not Natural Born.

      • Kate8

        What no one seems to be addressing is that, regardless of where Obama was born, regardless of who his real daddy was, regardless of whether he is a Marxist or the antichrist…, HE IS GUILTY OF FRAUD.

        He has lied about everything. He’s admitted that he’s submitted forgeries to the American people as “proof”. He adamantly refuses to release ANY records that would show us who he is. He took money from foreign entities to fund his campaigns, and has been involved in very unethical dealings. He continues to violate and decimate the Constitution, and has waged war against America.

        Defrauding the America people is a serious crime, all by itself. Everything else just adds insult to injury. Whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya or Mars, he lied about it. He forged documents to perpetrate his fraud, and declared them to be true. The truth is, there is reason to doubt everything about him. His whole life appears likely to be fiction.

        Is this not the real issue here? Are we so far past brain-dead that we waste time arguing over the details and missing the gorilla in the room?

        Good grief.

      • winstonsmith6079

        Native – foreign – native – foreign – ad absurdum! Everyone is SO focused on this ‘sapling’ that they don’t see the FOREST they’re standing in! It’s an old magician’s trick called “misdirection”.
        You or I apply for a job … ANYWHERE … and just above the place for your signature is a line that says: “ANY falsification on this document will be cause for IMMEDIATE TERMINATION!” I guess that wasn’t on his application to be president.

      • RichE

        winstonsmith6079,
        The forest is made up of saplings. If the sapling is bad the forest is bad. The Constitution says, “we the people” and that is the sapling. If, “we the people” can’t come up with a way to resolve issues then our forest will die.

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      Tony you are obviously an Obamination supporter and devoid of reasonable thought, 0ver 200 experts in forged document professionals have deemed this Long Form Birth Certificate a Forgery, even an attorney that was hired by Obamination to state his case in Court stated that his Long Form Birth Certificate was a FORGERY. No other document has been released by any agency and all files have been closed for anyone to see so what evidence do you have to prove any thing about Obamination that makes him legal. His birth certificate if that is what you say is proof of his citizenship states his father was a British Citizen at the time of his birth automatically makes him ILLEGAL, so remove your head from your Socialist/Communist Ass and you may see the Light.

      • nc

        Viet Nam, AND YET HE STILL SERVES! In spite of all of the Trump-Koch money they can’t even get a law suit to the Supreme Court or buy a single Congressman to present a bill to kick him out of office after 3 years of screaming! They took Slick Willy all the way to impeachment with one little spot on a blue dress and what “is” is BUT THEY CAN’T TAKE CLEAR(?) “FORGERIES” AND MAKE A CASE AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA! ALLAH BE PRAISED!!!(ACTUALLY I AM A SOUTHERN METHODIST)

      • ehancock

        They are not clear forgeries. They are only what birther “experts” call forgeries. And they have not proven that they are experts, and they certainly have not shown that they are impartial. That is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review do not believe the “experts.”

    • Winddrinker

      Tony, you obviously have not a clue what it means to be a “Natural Born Citizen.” After all the discussion on this topic, only a moron could have made the statement you did..

    • Georte

      OK jack ass LET”S SEE his BC,.His school records, His Passport history and all documents related to his past.. There aren’t any and HE will not release them.. This is all smoking mirrors to convince fools like you that HE is for real.. NOT THE CASE.. HE is a lier and a trader to this great country..

      • NotThatEllen

        I think you mean “Smoke AND Mirrors”! The term is from old time magic shows. Smoke and mirrors were said to be used to create the illusions you would see performed on stage.

      • Ernie

        You are so right but “trader” should be “traitor” and that he definately is…He wants to bring down America and turn it into a sosialist/muslim country…..God Help us

      • Kate8

        NTEllen – Still at it? Do you just come here to be grammar police?

    • ROSINA

      So that is why the Liar in Chief has paid millions to hide all his background, schools, etc.
      So that is why the relevant pages in the archives of hawaii, showing arrivals in 1962 have disappeared????
      So that is why the Kenya birth certificate has been hidden?
      And kenya proudly proclaims him as the Kenyan president of the USA???
      Who is kidding whom?

    • cayuga 333

      Regardless of where he was born -his father’s nationality makes him ineligible to be president. He was never properly vetted in 2008 as the media and electorate swooned over his charisma, pushing aside caution for the promise of the messiah coming. The result is we are now paying dearly for our rush to get a person of color in the POTUS.God help us all if we are fools enough to re-elect this pretender! As a retired Army officer(LTC),I am thankful I never had to serve under this impostor.

    • alex

      talk about stupid people, just read the last sentence of the article about his father

    • Sam

      Where he was born is of no consequence. His father was not a U.S. citizen. End of story. Those of you who want to cling to his false claim of being born in Hawaii may do so. Whatever his origins, he is dismantling our country and he needs to be removed from office before he pushes us under total UN control. Follow Wisconsin’s lead.

      • Jeff

        Where do you guys get this stuff? Can you cite anything from the Constitution saying someone’s parents have to be citizens for him to be eligible to be president? Natural born citizen applies to where the baby was born; not the father. Take a look at the 14th amendment.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, how ignorant are you? The 14th Amendment has no bearing here. Only Article 2 Section 1 can be applied to the qualifications of president…”natural born citizen”.

        Educate yourself, don’t remain ignorant!

        The 14th does not address “natural born”, only born citizen or naturalized citizen.

        Obama may be a born citizen but he cannot be a “natural born citizen”. To become president requires one to be a “natural born citizen” born to citizen “parents” – plural…mother and father.

        The Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution reads:

        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

        The Fourteenth Amendment was drafted to alleviate several concerns harbored by many U.S. citizens prior to its ratification. The most obvious concern related to the status of the recently freed slaves. Five years before hostilities commenced in the Civil War, the Supreme Court declared that people of African descent living in the United States were not “citizens” of the United States, but merely members of a “subordinate and inferior class of human beings” deserving no constitutional protection whatsoever (dred scott v. sandford, 60 U.S. [19 How.] 393, 15 L. Ed. 691 [1856]). The Fourteenth Amendment vitiated the Supreme Court’s holding in Dred Scott by making all blacks “born or naturalized in the United States” full-fledged citizens entitled to the same constitutional rights provided for every other U.S. citizen.

      • Jeff

        I still want to know why your posts in another of these discussions were adorned with swastikas.

        In 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court issued its decision in the case of Perkins v. Elg, regarding a young woman, born in New York a year after her father became a naturalized U.S. citizen. However, when she was about four her parents returned to Sweden taking her with them, and they stayed in Sweden. At age 20, this young woman contacted the American diplomats in Sweden and, shortly after her 21st birthday, returned to the United States on a U.S. passport and was admitted as a U.S. citizen. Years later, while she was still in America, her father in Sweden relinquished his American citizenship, and, because of that, the Department of Labor (then the location of the Immigration & Naturalization Service) declared her a non-citizen and tried to deport her. The young woman filed suit for a declaratory judgment that she was an American citizen by birth. She won at the trial level, and at the circuit court – where she was repeatedly described as “a natural born citizen” [39]- and finally in the U.S. Supreme Court, where the court decision quoted at length from the U.S. Attorney-General’s opinion in Steinkauler’s Case (mentioned above) including the comment that the person born in America and raised in another country could yet “become President of the United States”.[40]

        I have seen no restrictive definition of “natural born citizen” that you could use to deny Obama’s legitimacy, not that you need any, of course.

      • Jeff

        Jane, you ignorant slut!

        Although eligibility for the Presidency was not an issue in any 19th century litigation, there have been a few cases that shed light on “natural-born citizen”. The leading case is Lynch v. Clarke,[32] which dealt with a New York law (similar to laws of other states at that time) that only a U.S. citizen could inherit real estate. The plaintiff, Julia Lynch, had been born in New York while her parents, both British, were briefly visiting the U.S., and shortly thereafter all three left for Britain and never returned to the U.S. The New York Chancery Court determined that, under common law and prevailing statutes, she was a U.S. citizen by birth and nothing had deprived her of that citizenship, notwithstanding that both her parents were not U.S. citizens or that British law might also claim her through her parents’ nationality. In the course of the decision, the court cited the Constitutional provision and said:
        Suppose a person should be elected president who was native born, but of alien parents; could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the Constitution? I think not. The position would be decisive in his favor, that by the rule of the common law, in force when the Constitution was adopted, he is a citizen.[33]
        And further:
        Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen. It is surprising that there has been no judicial decision upon this question.[34]
        The decision in Lynch v. Clarke was cited as persuasive or authoritative precedent in numerous subsequent cases, including In re Look Tin Sing,[35] on the issue of whether the child, born in the U.S., to two Chinese parents (who were prevented by federal law from becoming U.S. citizens) was a U.S. citizen, notwithstanding the nationality of his parents or the fact that he had traveled to China with them and not returned to the U.S. for many years. The federal court held in a decision written by U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice Stephen J. Field) that he was a citizen by birth, and remained such despite his long stay in China, cited the decision in Lynch v. Clarke and described that case:
        After an exhaustive examination of the law, the Vice-Chancellor said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, was a natural-born citizen, and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.[36]

      • Jeff

        Jeff (I think we know what the H is for):

        This appears to be the operative case and, surprise, surprise, it involves the 14th Amendment you wingnuts hate so much:

        U.S. Supreme Court
        United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)
        United States v. Wong Kim Ark
        No. 18
        Argued March 5, 8, 1897
        Decided March 28, 1898
        169 U.S. 649
        APPEAL FROM THE DISTRICT COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
        FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
        Syllabus
        A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution,

      • Jeff

        Achtung JeffH:

        Here’s more if you can read English:

        U.S. Supreme Court
        Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
        Perkins v. Elg
        No. 454
        Argued February 3, 1939
        Decided May 29, 1939*
        307 U.S. 325
        CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF APPEALS
        FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
        Syllabus
        1. A child born here of alien parentage becomes a citizen of the United States. P. 307 U. S. 328.
        2. As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, the same person may possess a dual nationality. P. 307 U. S. 329.
        3. A citizen by birth retains his United States citizenship unless deprived of it through the operation of a treaty or congressional enactment or by his voluntary action in conformity with applicable legal principles. P. 307 U. S. 329.
        4. It has long been a recognized principle in this country that, if a child born here is taken during minority to the country of his parents’ origin, where his parents resume their former allegiance, he does not thereby lose his citizenship in the United States provided that, on attaining majority, he elects to retain that citizenship and to return to the United States to assume its duties. P. 307 U. S. 329.
        Expatriation is the voluntary renunciation or abandonment of nationality and allegiance. P. 307 U. S. 334.
        5. This right of election is consistent with the naturalization treaty with Sweden of 1869 and its accompanying protocol. P. 307 U. S. 335.
        6. The Act of March 2, 1907, in providing “That any American citizen shall be deemed to have expatriated himself when he has been naturalized in any foreign state in conformity with its laws, . . . ” was aimed at voluntary expatriation, and was not intended to destroy the right of a native citizen, removed from this country during minority, to elect to retain the citizenship acquired by birth and to return here for that purpose, even though he may be deemed to have been naturalized under the foreign law by derivation from the citizenship of his parents before he came of age. P. 307 U. S. 342.
        Page 307 U. S. 326
        This is true not only where the parents were foreign nationals at the time of the birth of the child and remained such, but also where they became foreign nationals after the birth and removal of the child.
        7. Recent private Acts of Congress for the relief of native citizens who have been the subject of administrative action denying their rights of citizenship cannot be regarded as the equivalent of an Act of Congress providing that persons in the situation of the respondent here have lost the American citizenship which they acquired at birth and have since duly elected to retain. P. 307 U. S. 349.
        8. Threats of deportation by the Secretary of Labor and immigration officials, and refusal by the Secretary of State to issue a passport, upon the disputed ground that the person affected has lost his native citizenship and become an alien wrongfully in the country, involve an actual controversy affording basis for a suit for a declaratory judgment that he is a citizen and for an injunction. P. 307 U. S. 349
        9. In such a suit, the Secretary of State is properly included in the declaratory provision of the decree, that he may be precluded from refusing to issue the passport solely upon the ground that the citizenship has been lost. Id.

        TAKE YOUR NAZI PROPAGANDA AND GOOSE-STEP TO IT!!!

      • JeffH

        Jeff, two reasons I used the Socialist Worker’s Party swastica as an avatar.

        1. To show you where a part of your progressive roots come from .
        2. Because it renders an ignorant progressive like yourself uncontrollable and livid

      • Jeff

        Maybe you can get someone to read the case citations I posted for you. If you’re not too busy shaving your head, getting tattoo’d, or burning crosses.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, unfortunately you have no case and obviously you have nothing to argue, but you do a wonderfull job of displaying your progressive roots, based soley on ridicule. Now I have to check out because I’m going to the shooting range to hone in my accuracy.

      • Jeff

        Sorry. I left out desecrating synagogues, burning books, and subjugating a continent. Maybe somebody at the shooting range can read.

      • Jeff

        You “ruled” just like Uncle Clarence Thomas does. You read nothing, understand nothing, ask no questions, but you “know” the right answer from the beginning. You could be the 1st Nazi on the Supreme Court.

      • JeffH

        Jeff, I refuse to enter into childish exchanges with ignorant liberals like yourself. When you have nothing else in your arsenal…ridicule becomes the norm.

        FYI, your reference to the NY Supreme Court case doesn’t set precidence over US Supreme Court rulings and is therefore irrelevant.

      • ehancock

        Perkins vs Elg was a US Supreme Court case, as was Wong Kim Ark, which ruled that:

        “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

        III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

        That quite clearly says that every child, EVERY child, born in the USA is Natural Born—except for the children of foreign diplomats. And it says that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law (hence not from Vattel), and it says that the same rule applied in England, and in the 13 colonies, and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

        BOTH Perkins vs Elg and the Wong Kim Ark case ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen applies to every child born in the USA. Only naturalized US citizens are not Natural Born.

        http://naturalborncitizenshipresearch.blogspot.com/

      • Jeff

        I agree and it appears this view was codified by passage of the 14th amendment. It’s always difficult to determine the meaning of an undefined term like “natural born citizen” but if it were necessary that both parents be citizens, you can be sure either Hillary or McCain would have been able to block Obama’s candidacy in court in ’08.

      • ehancock

        Re: “It’s always difficult to determine the meaning of an undefined term like “natural born citizen”

        I disagree. It is easy.

        Here is how you determine it.

        Supposing I was to say to you: “A southpaw is a pitcher from south of the Mason Dixon line.” And you would reply: “No. It means a left-handed pitcher.”

        We could go round and round on that discussion until someone had the bright idea of showing how people actually use the term, and, of course, doing that shows that you are right, a southpaw is a left-handed pitcher.

        So, we simply have to do the same thing for the use of the term Natural Born at the time that the Constitution was written. That is all. And what do we find? We find lots of quotations by American leaders using the term in the common law sense, and none using it in the Vattel sense.

        Here is one of the best examples, written shortly after the Constitution went into effect, in 1803:

        “Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. …St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

        As you can see, that refers to the place of birth. Natural Born Citizens were “those born within the state.” There is no reference to parents whatsoever.

        And I have somewhat similar, quotations for John Adams and Alexander Hamilton using Natural Born subject–and no quotation by them referring to parents when Natural Born Subjects became Natural Born Citizens. And there are LONG (that is why I do not put them here) quotations by Ben Franklin, John Adams and John Jay in a draft treaty with Britain using Natural Born Citizen as the US equivalent of the British Natural Born Subject, and as we know a Natural Born Subject does not require even one British subject as a parent. It simply refers to the place of birth.

        Hence the evidence of the use of the term shows that the Wong Kim Arc decision was indeed right, that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, and not from Vattel, and that it refers to the place of birth.

    • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurline

      No, what we need is for the state of Hawaii to bring forth the original birth certificate from their vault and have at least 10-20 news outlets having the opportunity to see it. I remember a time back when the new governor of Hawaii, who is a friend of Obama, decided to release the birth certificate….I remember the article stating that he could not find it and sudddenly all of the information from the governor went missing. How about we also get to see his college records, his draft papers, his passports from the 1980′s? In Obama’s own words, not mine “The only people who will not disclose the truth, are people with something to hide”…..so he must be hiding something.

      • john

        they can’t…. there is none…..according to the socialist -gov. abercrombie and anyone who were involved with the dept of health.

      • Winddrinker

        The State of Hawaii does need to be made to produce the “Original Long Form Birth Certificate” they “claim” to have.

        What happened to Arizona?? Why did they “backdown” and give in! I believe that all they got was a letter stating that Hawaii indeed had the original form….like their word is worth anything..

      • Kate8

        It seems that those who attempt to defy Obama and are in a capacity to offer official proof against him either clam up or meet with untimely misfortune. It’s not rocket science to see what’s at play here.

        Even if someone does survive long enough to come forward, think about all of the heads which would have to roll. This cover-up has been so pervasive, so encompassing… who is going to be willing to expose themselves to let it happen?

      • RichE

        Kate8, are you saying Obama got Trump to shut up? Wow! I wonder if Obama could shut up my neighbors dog?

      • Kate8

        RichE – Trump is just another distraction. He’s doing what he does: pop off at the mouth. What he’s not doing is investigating, or hiring investigators. He’s just fanning existing flames.

        There is some reason why the American people are being kept focused on this issue, and I’m just not sure what it is. How is it that he’s the only one in public office who is able to get away with such outrage? And yet, he continues to erode our Bill of Rights, to the point of claiming the authority to whack us at his pleasure? WTH?

        I’m sure Breitbart’s demise was a message to journalists everywhere. Actually, Breitbart is not alone in his sacrifice. Many journalists have been dying and disappearing, right along with the (over 100 now) microbiologists who have worked on some aspect of biological warfare. And there is still more… Too much to go into here.

        These things are not being commonly reported in the MSM. Just as, when more citizens start to disappear, it won’t be reported. After all, if it’s not in the MSM, it didn’t happen.

      • ehancock

        The officials in Hawaii–both parties–have repeatedly stated that they have Obama’s birth certificate on file. No, Abercrombie never said that he could not find it. That is a birther creation.

        Here is the latest confirmation:

        http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/06/hawaii-very-officially-verifies-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/

        Prior to that Hawaii also confirmed that it had Obama’s birth certificate and that EVERY fact on the BC published by Obama was accurate in the confirmation to Arizona, which the Secretary of State of Arizona accepted.

        And Hawaii also confirmed that it had Obama’s birth certificate on file before the presidential election, and again about a year later, and then the Republican governor of Hawaii said that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital. And these confirmations are further confirmed by the Index Data and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. Those notices appeared in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the newspapers, which as the name implies only came from the DOH, and the DOH at the time only sent out birth announcements for people born in Hawaii.

      • ehancock

        Abercrombie never said that he could not find it, or that it is not in the files. That was made up by a birther site.

        In fact, Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed that it has Obama’s birth certificate and that it confirms the facts on Obama’s published long form birth certificate.

        Here is the latest confirmation: http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/06/hawaii-very-officially-verifies-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/

        And the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii–from both parties–are further substantiated by the “Index Data”–a public file of the birth certificates on record by year showing that there is a file for Obama in 1961–and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. The birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics sections of the papers were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii—as the name Health Bureau Statistics implies—and the DOH of Hawaii at the time only sent out those notices for births in Hawaii.

    • Douglas patriot

      Liberalism truly is a major mental disorder. It is a societal aids of the mind and you are strongly infected. the poser and usurper is not and will not ever be my prez.

    • Rol

      Hey bud, Obummer brought this on himself, no one else. If he would’ve brought all documents forward, this includes school transcripts, birth certificates and any other FACTS, there would not be a big deal now, would there! The supposition that his birth certificate from Hawaii is false does leave a question; that is, why did it take so long to provide it? what purpose was there to stall before showing a copy? why is it that he refuses to release his school transcripts? is it possible that future wise, like his birth certificate, be released at latter date? the inference is forgeries need time to make.

      You see bud, he did it to himself! Question to you; do you have a problem showing your birth certificate? School transcripts? Unless you were really a poor student, trouble maker etc and it would jeopardize your job, yeah, I could see why you would hesitate in providing these things. So, what is being alluded to; rational thinking, something has taken place here that keeps getting scuttled or shuffled and it’s no wonder the theories abound.

      • ehancock

        Re: “n the 60′s a black person’s race was listed as “negro”, not “African”.

        Yes. But in Hawaii there was not list of races that you could check off. And no one stood over your shoulder and told you what words to use. “American” is not a race, but some people in Hawaii entered that word as their race, and some have said that their parents or grandparents entered “Italian”–and that was accepted. So we know, and in fact the Hawaii officials have confirmed, that there was no control over what word you could use to describe your race.

        The remaining question is whether it was likely that Obama’s father used the world African. Well, it turns out that the common word used to describe their race by African exchange students in the 1960s was African. And it turns out that the word used in Kenya by the colonial authorities (who were still in charge in 1961) to describe the black residents of their country was African.

        Oh, and Kenya did exist in 1961. It was the Kenya Colony (changed from British East Africa in 1920), Kenya for short.

        And Kapiolani Hospital did exist. How do we know? It is the same name used on the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins, born one day after Obama at the same hospital, and the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins are on WND’s site.

    • JUKEBOX

      One of the most glaring discrepencies is that his father is listed as African/American, which is a term that was not used in this country until 1978.

      • Karolyn

        He is not. He is listed as “African.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        In the 60′s a black person’s race was listed as “negro”, not “African”.

      • ehancock

        Replying to: “In the 60′s a black person’s race was listed as “negro”, not “African”.

        Yes. But in Hawaii there was not a list of races that you could check off.

        And no one stood over your shoulder and told you what words to use.

        “American” is not a race, but some people in Hawaii entered that word as their race, and some have said that their parents or grandparents entered “Italian”–and that was accepted. So we know, and in fact the Hawaii officials have confirmed, that there was no control over what word you could use to describe your race.

        The remaining question is whether it was likely that Obama’s father used the world “African.” Well, it turns out that the common word used to describe their race by African exchange students in the 1960s was African. And it turns out that the word used in Kenya by the colonial authorities (who were still in charge in 1961) to describe the black residents of their country was African.

        Oh, and Kenya did exist in 1961. It was the Kenya Colony (changed from British East Africa in 1920), Kenya for short.

        And Kapiolani Hospital did exist. How do we know? It is the same name used on the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins, born one day after Obama at the same hospital, and the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins are on WND’s site.

    • EdinNola

      Tony, you are an idiot. I for one will not drop the issue of the contract which we have with our government being wantonly ingored and violated. Obama has not ever shown legitimate evidence of his birth place, although that is not the determining factor in his eligibility and you know it. He IS NOT a natural born citizen. By way of example, as if it were necessary, McCain is a natural born citizen – BECAUSE his parents were citizens. Birthplace has no bearing in this regard. Obama IS NOT a natural born citizen because his father (as he claims) was not a citizen at the time of his birth, or at any other. Stop this mindless repitition of disinformation. So far as Hawaii is concerned, there may well be a legal question as to distortion of the truth.

      Regarding anything Obama SAYS, you would be well served to regard it as a falsehood, no matter what it is. He lives in a made-up fairy tale world, and very little if anything that he says publicly represents the truth.

    • Hammer

      Tony, that is your opinion and there are millions who believe differently than you who will NOT drop this case. Obama, himself, has made comments that raise doubt on his eligibility. He has extremely close ties with friends and relatives who also will state to the contrary of your way of thinking.
      Also, I can show you a news article that stated, during an interview, that those who know of obama’s true background, have been threatened, and a prime example of just who I am talking about is Bill and Hillary Clinton. Their daughter’s life hung in the balance for a while as bill and hillary were threatened that if they open their mouths about obama, Chelsea’s life would be next as one politician was killed while in his office.
      I have that entire news article saved for future reference also. Why do you think NO ONE has ever made even a remote effort to investigate this so called president?? Why do you think that the hour long meeting between obama and hillary was behind closed doors with those two the only ones in the room?? Then, directly after that meeting, hillary immediately dropped out of the presidential race?? And, bill clinton, himself, is the one who started this “Birther” thing. He openly admitted it as I watched a video of him stating this fact.
      So, Tony, if you wish to believe what you stated here, that is fine but don’t expect everyone to think as you, it will never happen as there are too many PATRIOTIC AMERICANS who are appalled with the fact that obama openly stated that our U.S. Constitution is a worthless document and so is the paper it is written on. And, that obama is responsible for the biggest debt increase within his first 3 years of office, more than any president in the History of our country.
      All True Americans have a very strong and valid reason why NOT to trust this man, want him out of office and tried for Treason against our Country and our Citizens. Obama has been in violation of so many offenses but yet Congress will take no action?? You tell us what is wrong with this picture!! And, while you are at it, give us even ONE good reason why we should trust this man, and don’t try to tell us that it is because he is our president.
      He may hold that title but he is NOT my president nor will I ever recognize him as such.

    • kf

      Tony, You are sooo right. This birther stuff has gone on waaay too long. Obama should put all of this to rest and just show the world a valid draft card and a social security number that will pass E-verify. At least the world will have something legitimate to look at.

    • http://www.facebook.com/roy.koch.33 Roy Koch

      AND— Who the Hell Are YOU Tony???, to Tell me, or anybody else that He is Nat. Born?? Because the HNIC says so?? He’s never told the truth, OR Worked a day in his Zebra Life!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Tony, you absolutely astound me! You are faced with the truth here on this site over and over again, yet you refuse to accept it! I know that you refuse to believe that obummer’s birth certificate is a fake even though it’s been proven, even though obummer’s lawyer admitted in a court of law that it was a forgery! What is the matter with you?!? You have been told repeatedly that a candidate MUST be a “natural born citizen”. It has been explained to you. You have been shown proof of the definition of ” natural born citizen” by way of links to supreme court rulings on the definition. I don’t think that there’s a person on earth who’s claiming that obummer’s father ws a citizen. What is it you don’t understand?!? Simply by virtue of obummer’s people telling you that he is a natural born citizen, you refuse to see the truth. And then astoundingly, you want the rest of us to believe it too! What is the matter with you?!? We have a liar and a criminal at the head of our country. He is destroying our country and yet people like you are hypnotized into believing utter hogwash! Our enemy has invaded and we can’t even get the majority of people to SEE it!!! WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?!?

      • Daveh234

        I know if Nancy says something she is always right….so, sorry Tony…..I am one who is certainly not going to vote for you in the next election. You sound, according to everyone here who are all smarter than anyone else, like you are are mistaken in your conclusions. Don’t think you’d make a good candidate for anything.

      • Kate8

        Nancy – Wow! That was amazing. Very well said.

        You really can’t talk to a liberal because they never allow themselves to be swayed by facts. They are true believers… And besides, many of them who post on these threads are paid shills. They are paid to express such opinions, so they don’t care if they look stupid.

      • Jeff

        Humor me, Nancy. Show me the rulings of which you speak.

      • ehancock

        Obama’s lawyer never said any such thing.

        The birth certificate from Hawaii has been confirmed many times. Here is the latest:

        http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/06/hawaii-very-officially-verifies-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/

        In addition to confirmations by the officials, it is also confirmed by the Index Data–a list of the birth certificates on file by year, showing that one exists for Obama in 1961–and by the birth certificates in the Hawaii newspapers.

    • Gino

      No Tony we don’t need a movie of his birth, just a offical copy of his birth. I can do it, you can do it. Not a copy or a copy of a copy. This is all the result of Obama not just presenting his original certificate. Do you get it yet !!! As for the other documents Obama’s refused to expose does show a consistant pattern. So much for Mr. Transparent. These are all areas that the media has not vetted, yet review the Repub’s with a fine tooth comb. And they claim to be objective.

      • ehancock

        Obama has shown the official copies of both his short form birth certificate and his long form birth certificate. He has shown images of both of them, and he has shown the actual physical copies of the documents themselves. In fact the official physical copy of the long form birth certificate was passed around in the White House press room and everyone there got a chance to hold it, examine it, and feel the seal on the back–where it is supposed to be. Three Republican and several Democrat officials in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on Obama’s birth certificate.

        Mitt Romney has shown only a xerox copy of a document alleged to be his short-form birth certificate. No one has felt the seal. No officials have confirmed the facts on it. And no “Index Data” showing that his birth certificate is on file has been shown (as it has for Obama).

    • MarK Tracy

      Tony – go back to your mistaken certenty – facts have no meaning to you

    • Dale on the left coast

      Folks just want to see the BC Tony . . . the original, unmolested BC . . . not the photoshopped stuff we have seen so far . . . did you not have to show your for your drivers licence and your passport?

    • PatriotDiva

      Afraid of the turth coming our about your messiah Tony?

    • ladybug

      Tony, With all the talk about Obama’s place of birth, college records, and history that he has spent over a million dollars to keep hidden, how can you say it should be dropped and accepted? If he is a natural born citizen, why wouldn’t he prove it? He put out that mock up of a BC that was quickly proved false; so why not put out the real one? Why doesn’t he just prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt?

    • c.a.e.

      When were you born??? What year ??? I was born in 1946 and if you were born in that time frame ALL birth certificates stated your race NOT ” AFRICAN AMERICAN ” THIS IS SUCH CRAP!!!!! THE MAN IS NOT BORN IN THIS COUNTRY PERIOD !!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003892436805 Surflaunch Overlord

      Obama, Master of time travel as an infant.
      Born in a hospital that didn’t exist until 17 years later.
      He truly is omnipitant
      Resources: http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx

      Forgive us our ignorance and pass the Kool-Aid.

      • ehancock

        The hospital that Obama was born at, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital, did exist in 1961 when he was born.

        How do we know?

        Because there are birth certificates on WND’s web site for the Nordyke Twins, who were born one day after Obama, and what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

    • MillstoneDee

      Why does someone spend MILLIONS of his own money to suppress information on his birth, education, and personal relationships with VERY progressive (socialist) connections? No one remembers him growing up in schools, college transcripts sealed, how he paid for his education was never answered and who goes to Pakistan during spring break in college?
      Covering up, destroying, and a clearly fraudulent paper trail (African, for instance on his so called birth certificate, should have been Negro or Colored in the ’60s) should make EVERY American suspicious that a charlatan is in the White House. Our Founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

    • carrobin

      I’d need a lot more evidence than vague references to unnamed “experts” and such. (Some nerve mentioning the name of Orwell in this story!) I’m annoyed with Obama because he’s the absolute opposite of a “socialist”–he’s been following the GWBush track far too closely for my taste–but his birthplace is not a factor.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear carrobin,

        You write: “I’d need a lot more evidence than vague references to unnamed “experts” and such.” The evidence is provided through hyperlinks in the article.

        You write: “(Some nerve mentioning the name of Orwell in this story!)” Why are you bothered by an Orwell quote? Are you a relative of his?

        You write: “I’m annoyed with Obama because he’s the absolute opposite of a “socialist”–he’s been following the GWBush track far too closely for my taste–but his birthplace is not a factor.” So you are saying the Constitution and rule of law mean nothing to you.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • D.

      Natural born citizen is a baby whose parents are BOTH US citizens! Obama’s father was NEVER a US citizen. You need to educate yourself on Natural Born!

      • ehancock

        The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not the parents.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      • Jeff

        I’ve read a lot of your posts and you’re pushing against a rope with this crowd. They know the TRUTH and nothing like facts will deter them. That they haven’t filed a successful lawsuit should tell you all you need to know about their “evidence.” You know that there are judges out there who would order Obama ineligible to run in a second if only given a shred of real evidence. Even wingnut judges can’t respond to mere bloviating by these idiotic bloggers.

    • Don

      Come on Tony, you know that a Natural Born citizen requires two citizen parents, not one which would make Obama only native born citizen. I am really tired of people like you who prefer to remain ignorant of the facts. Supreme Court case Minor v. Happerstadd states quite clearly what a natural born citizen is, and Obama isn’t one. Stop trying to create your own reality! Facts are facts! Whether Obama was born in the United States or not, he still should never have bememe presiden.

      • RichE

        Don,
        Read the opinion. It says she’s a, ‘natural born citizen’ with this one definition so we don’t need to look at other definitions. It only proves that both parents and born in U.S. in one definition not the definition.

      • Jeff

        Don:

        You’re simply wrong. Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, held that despite the 14th amendment, women were ineligible to vote in the face of a statute saying only men could vote. As to the issue of her citizenship, the Court specifically avoided ruling on the subject as it was not an issue in the case:

        The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their
        Page 88 U. S. 168
        parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts.

    • Corrine

      Hello,

      Can you read ENGLISH ????? If you read the article above you would know he was/is NOT a “natural born” citizen….for the last time, “natural born” means both parents HAVE to be U.S. citizens…..his father was born in Kenyan.

      • ehancock

        You can say “for the last time” all that you want to, and you can continue to spout your theory that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to two US citizen parents. But it isn’t true. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      • Jeff

        The article is written not in English but in STUPID. It cites nothing supporting its conclusion. Can you cite anything authoritative supporting your interpretation of “natural born citizen?”

    • http://aol J.R.

      Odumbo was not born in the USA and you need to wake up smell the coffee His own Attorney admitted it was a fake Brith cert he is an Illegal alien and a commie muslim. He is not able to hold office of the president at all and congress wont go after him because they could be charged with High crimes just like Odumbo will be wait ti;; Nov and all the truth will be forth comming

      • RichE

        J.R.
        Since Obama supports woman’s rights, abortion and homosexuals it doesn’t seem logical he would be a Muslim.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        RichE, in my opinion, obummer hates Americans. Therefore he is encouraging them to sin and be evil. He wants to turn them to satan. In addition, muslims are encouraged to lie to infidels. It is called “taqiyya”. Anything to further the cause of islam.

    • http://gravatar.com/pweiters9 pweiters9

      6/8/12, At this point, I don’t care where he came from. On Nov. 6, let’s send him back.

    • fred13

      What kind of moron are you??? Just the fact that he even admitts to of his father not being a citizen is enough. He doesn’t qualify to be in office.

    • http://don'thaveone jim

      Why have you believed the BS about his birthplace being Hawaii. Where there is smoke there is fire..

      • ehancock

        The fact that Obama was born in Hawaii is proven by his birth certificate from Hawaii, confirmed by the officials repeatedly (Republican and Democrat), further confirmed by the Index Data (a public record of birth certificate files by year, showing that there is one for Obama in 1961) and by the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers. And by the way, Hawaii is thousands of miles from the nearest foreign country, and very few women traveled late in pregnancy in 1961.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Tony,”
      IF OFFICIALS REFUSE TO RELEASE THIS PRESIDENT’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE, THAT IS A BIG DEAL. PERIOD. AMERICANS HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO KNOW THE Constitution WAS UPHELD IN THE ELECTION OF THIS PRESIDENT. WE ARE REQUIRED AS CITIZENS TO ABIDE BY THE LAW. IF THIS PRESIDENT HAD GOOD SENSE, HE WOULD “CLEAR-UP” ANY SPECULATION ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF HIS BIRTH. THIS BIRACIAL PRESIDENT HOLDS A-L-L THE BLAME FOR THIS FIASCO. PEOPLE, GET THIS TROUBLE-MAKING FOOL OUT OF THE White House – P-L-E-A-S-E!

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • just rambling

      Tony,did hi show proof that his father was a citizen of OUR COUNTRY?
      To Impeach him would LEGITIMATIZE him.

    • Mary Ann Ludwig

      The state of Hawaii has “proven” nothing. Obama has proven nothing. He can’t. He can only lie and dissemble. He was a contract signatory of a Socialist organization, but lies about being a Socialist. He just can’t open his mouth without lying. You want him as your president? Fine. Go somewhere else and enjoy. Leave the United States to actual qualified men and women.

    • Baf

      You are incorrect. There is more evidence to prove otherwise and Hawaii’s own Governor issued a document research and none could be found in any Hawaii hospital or in the Registrar’s office in the town that he claimed he was born. Recently, the publication of his own biography written by himself for his first book says he was born in Kenya. The released LONG form (which is a complete joke) has been PROVEN (as you say) to be a forgery and several Intel and Adobe experts have issued legal statements to the fact and are willing to testify in any court. The name of the hospital on the document was not changed until several years after his birth. The Registrar’s number on the document is not in sequence with other births for that time frame and his father’s ethnicity was listed as African-American. In 1961, a black man’s race would have been documented as “negro”. Then there is the type style changes and we could go on and on. There are several people who also claim different stories, so who is telling the truth.

      One fact that we all know is that the man who is currently called President of the US has not told the truth on anything that he has done since taking a political role as Senator or President. So for you to say that there is proof, please provide some. I think we would all like to be enlightened.

      • ehancock

        That is not true. Abercrombie never said any such thing. The story that he said that they could not find it was made up by a birther site.

        The officials in Hawaii have repeatedly said that they have Obama’s birth certificate on file, and that it shows that facts on the published long form birth certificate are accurate.

        Here is the latest confirmation:

        http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/06/hawaii-very-officially-verifies-barack-obamas-birth-certificate/

        That was preceded by the confirmation to Arizona, which was accepted as proof by Arizona’s conservative Republican secretary of state, and that was preceded by the director of health of Hawaii saying that she had seen the original birth certificate in the process of being copied onto security paper to make the official copy, and that the official copy was accurate, and that that was what she gave to Obama’s lawyer. Further back ther were confirmations by Republican officials before the presidential election, and again about a year after it, and then by the Republican governor of Hawaii.

        These confirmations are further supported by the “Index Data”—a public file of the birth certificates that are on file, and it shows that there is a birth certificate file for Obama under 1961. And, of course, there is also the birth notices in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. As the name shows, the items in the Health Bureau Statistics section were only sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii, and at the time the DOH only sent out such notices for births IN Hawaii.

        Re: “several Intel and Adobe experts have issued legal statements to the fact and are willing to testify in any court.”

        Actually, only self-described “experts”–who have not proven their expertise, and who certainly have not shown that they are fair an impartial–have said any such thing. There is a reason why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review do not believe these “experts.”

        Re: “The Registrar’s number on the document is not in sequence with other births for that time frame…”

        Actually it was, but you are assuming that the sequence was in chronological order. It has been proven that the Nordyke Twins, who received their birth certificates a day after Obama, had a number lower than he did. And then, another Hawaii birth certificate was found, one that was still later in time that year than the Nordyke Twins, a month or so later, and it had a LOWER number than they did and than Obama did. So the number sequence was NOT in chronological order.

        Re: “and his father’s ethnicity was listed as African-American. In 1961, a black man’s race would have been documented as “negro”.”

        Actually, the birth certificate does not say “African-American.” It just says “African.”

        There is a reason for the African, and it is that Hawaii did not make a list of races that you could pick from, and they did not have someone standing over you saying: “African is not a race, use Negro.” You could use whatever words you wanted, and some in Hawaii used “American” as their race—though that also is not a race.

        So, since you could use any word you wanted, what was the likely word that Obama’s father would use? Well, the commonly used word that African exchange students used in the 1960s was AFRICAN. And, what was the word that the colonial government used in Kenya in 1961 to describe the black residents of that country? Answer: Africans.

    • http://windstream Joe

      his own attorney said the form is not real and is a forgery. How can you support this poser?

      • ehancock

        Obama’s attorney never said any such thing. That was made up by a birther “reporter.”

    • Jet

      WHERE???????

    • Schlumbio T

      you are a total idiot, who does not know anything about the “real world”

      • ehancock

        Obama’s attorney never said any such thing. That was made up by a birther “reporter.” Even WND did not use the claim that Obama’s attorney said that the birth certificate was forged. That is because she never said it.

    • Diane

      Back in 1961 The Term “Negroes” was excepted and used. The term “African-American” was not promoted or applied yet.
      The White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961. It also lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father. was born in Kenua, East Africa. Here is a red flag Kenya did not even exist until 1963, this is 2 years after Obama’s birth and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not exist then and “British East Africa Protectorate is the name of the location that formed Kenya in 1963. Kenya became a nation on December 12, 1963
      http:”WWW.nationsonline.org/oneworld/Kenya.htm#Search

      The certificate also lists the place of birth “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. this is not possible because the hospital in 1961 was not named referred to or called that. That name arrived and developed in 1978 when there was a merge with another hospital.
      Post-colonial history (from Wikipedia)
      http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kenya

      Yes, he owes America the truth not a trillion dollar deficit along with paying $102 000.00 for his dog trainer Michelle has 22 servants and he has used everything that is supposed to be there to assist him to get his job done for us the citizens, over three times more than any other president for his lavish tax payer spending and his egregious life style that needs to be terminated.

      • ehancock

        Re: “Back in 1961 The Term “Negroes” was excepted and used. The term “African-American” was not promoted or applied yet.”

        Answer: The word used on Obama’s birth certificate is African, NOT African-American.

        So, how come “African” and not “negro?”

        Answer: In Hawaii there was not a list of races that you could check off. And no one stood over your shoulder and told you what words to use. “American” is not a race, but some people in Hawaii entered that word as their race, and some have said that their parents or grandparents entered “Italian”–and that was accepted. So we know, and in fact the Hawaii officials have confirmed, that there was no control over what word you could use to describe your race.

        The remaining question is whether it was likely that Obama’s father used the world African. Well, it turns out that the common word used to describe their race by African exchange students in the 1960s was African. And it turns out that the word used in Kenya by the colonial authorities (who were still in charge in 1961) to describe the black residents of their country was African.

        Re: “Here is a red flag Kenya did not even exist until 1963, ”

        Answer: Actually Kenya did exist in 1961. It was called the Kenya Colony (changed from British East Africa in 1920), Kenya for short. And it was in East Africa. Hence, “Kenya, East Africa” is correct.

        Re: Hospital allegedly not existing in 1961 “because the hospital in 1961 was not named referred to or called that. That name arrived and developed in 1978 when there was a merge with another hospital.”

        Answer: Kapiolani Hospital did exist in 1961.

        How do we know? It is the same name used on the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins, born one day after Obama at the same hospital, and the birth certificates of the Nordyke Twins are on WND’s site.

      • RichE

        Diane,
        Have you thought about voting him out of office?

    • G

      Enjoy the KOOL AID.

    • http://gravatar.com/wtfaz wtfaz

      tony
      I hate to burst your bubble but if you take the time to listen to this I feel that you will change your mind in a big way.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X6tvti9um6k

      • ehancock
      • RichE

        ehancock, you’ve got 38 more SSN’s to debunk. Just kidding.

        from: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/02/obamas-social-security-number/
        I submitted an affidavit from a licensed investigator Neil Sankey, showing that according to most reputable National databases Lexis Nexis and Choice Point Barack Obama used as many as 39 different social security numbers, none of which were issued in the state of Hawaii, where he resided. (Submitted as an exhibit with the complaint)

      • ehancock

        Millions of people have errors in their social security numbers and millions have multiple SS numbers, caused mainly by the millions of errors made by Social Security clerks making data entry errors over the years.

        The reason that no one in Congress or Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review gives a damn about all the social security claims is that they all know about the millions of errors. Obama is not using another person’s social security number. The SS Administration made a goof and issued the same number twice.

      • ehancock

        You cannot prove that he used those SS numbers, only that they are in his file. To prove that he used them you would have to contact an employer or a state that issued a driver’s license and asked for an SS number as proof of citizenship. You have not, and cannot, do that.

        So, when you say that “he used,” you are only speculating.

        Yes, there are multiple SS numbers in his file. But there were in mine, and there are in millions of peoples’ files. The cause was the millions of data entry errors. That is why no official and no conservative leader is making much of the Social Security number speculation.

        Keep on dreaming about numbers.

    • wtfaz

      Not to burst your bubble tony but you need to hear the truth.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X6tvti9um6k

      • ehancock

        Keep on dreaming about numbers.

      • Jeff

        There’s the truth and The Truth. The problem with the latter is it is impervious to facts.

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