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How Can Anyone Be A Birther?

May 25, 2012 by  

How Can Anyone Be A Birther?
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According to the White House, this is Barack Obama's "official" birth certificate.

“Birther” is a term the mainstream media have put on those who question whether President Barack Obama was born in the United States and is, therefore, eligible to hold the office of President. The MSM mean it as a derisive term. After all, no higher authority than Snopes.com has validated Obama’s citizenship.

So how can anyone believe Obama was born anywhere but Hawaii?

It certainly can’t be because Obama’s paternal step-grandmother once made the claim that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya, and that she was present at the birth.

It certainly can’t be because a Kenyan newspaper, the Sunday Standard, published an article in 2004 with the headline “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate.”

It certainly can’t be because The Nigerian Observer published an article in November 2008 about how Kenyan-born Senator Barack Obama was the favorite to win the U.S. Presidential race.

It certainly can’t be because there are a number of other articles that say he is Kenya-born.

It certainly can’t be because an investigation by the Kenyan National Security Intelligence Service into claims Obama might be Kenyan-born determined relevant documents had been removed or were missing.

It certainly can’t be because the State of Hawaii has refused all requests — including multiple attempts from Maricopa County (Ariz.) Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s cold case posse — to release an original long-form birth certificate.

It certainly can’t be because of the many flaws found in the “official” birth certificate released by the White House last April.

It certainly can’t be because, if Obama himself is to be believed, his father’s Kenyan and British citizenship denies “natural-born” status and precludes Obama from serving.

It certainly can’t be because the Kenyan ambassador said it’s well-known that Obama was born in Kenya.

It certainly can’t be because Michelle Obama once called Kenya Obama’s “home country.”

It certainly can’t be because Arpaio’s investigative team has discovered that official records of inbound U.S. flights from the week of Obama’s supposed birth are missing from the National Archives.

It certainly can’t be because, as Breitbart.com released last week, Obama’s authorized biography from his literary agent in 1991 said Obama was born in Kenya, and that the biography remained that way through subsequent reprintings into 2007.

It certainly can’t be that he’s using a Social Security number issued from the State of Connecticut in either 1976 or 1977 even though he has never claimed to reside there and held his first job at a Hawaii Baskin-Robbins. This is one of a number — as many as 16 by some counts — of Social Security numbers that can be linked to Obama and his aliases.

And it certainly can’t have anything to do with the fact that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett bowed to political pressure and changed his tune on Obama’s eligibility even before he had opened the email from Hawaii because he “was confident it contained the information he asked for.”

This birther nonsense is silly. No rational, thinking person could ever doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii.

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  • monty s. young

    well dummy if obama was born in hawaii then why does he have a s.s. number from conneticut that belongs to someone else that was born in 1890 and not a s.s. from hawaii???!!!! huh dimwitt.

    • Karolyn

      See this link for an explanation of the SS#
      http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

      • kkflash

        The link above in an incredible waste of time.

      • kab

        Why do you keep posting links from an already exposed “obot” site? Do you think they have some credibility?
        http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/327369/

      • Ken

        Karolyn loves to redirect and deny – a tactic used by trained and untrained socialist/ marxists to try to trick American men and women into buying her bunk….

        Best to ignore her altogether….

  • Scott in SC

    Several people have already mentioned that this controversy was ongoing prior to the election and at the time the GOP and Fox News fully supported the Hawaii story. They brushed off anyone who asked the question as “kooky”. WHY???

    • Karolyn

      Hey Scott – Did you hear about Ted Vick? What is wrong with these men?

      • Scott in SC

        Sure did. Looks like he’s in big trouble with the law and his wife. Sure to be the talk of the town this weekend.

  • MontanaGrandmom

    I’m beginning to think we’re living in an alternate universe where right is wrong and wrong is right. It is no longer innocent until proven guilty, it is guilty until proven innocent…Unless you are part of the machine, then you are automatically innocent and any and all evidence against you is false and can therefore be ignored.

    I am disgusted by the MSM. They are either calling the shots or simply acting as the mouthpiece for the real puppet master(s). They are selling ‘whited sepulchers’ as spacious mansions with all the latest bells and whistles.

    Thank you for putting all of the evidence in one place for our reading pleasure because the MSM is looking more and more like the 3 monkeys-”see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.” La-la-la-la-la! I can’t hear you!

    • Major

      Montana it does seem like it but this is exactly what the Bible tells us will happen, in the Old Testament there are several Prophets that speak of an endtime great nation, America fits that description better than any nation by far, before 9/11 i couldn’t identify this nation but it all comes together now especially with Americans electing a man like Obama and i’m even more certain with his mocking God on gay marriage. In Liviticus God calls it an Abomination and God explains that his wrath will come down on an entire nation. Satan is the god of this world, but God sets up kingdoms and tears them down it’s the only thing that makes sense that a man like Obama is now president, the almighty God is at work here. In the Book of Isaiah this is what God says about this end-time Great Nation i will send them strong delusion and i will bring them fanners round and about,Fanners are strangers to a land and Gods use of that word means people who will do much harm, look at what the illegal aliens are doing to this country and Muslims coming here with the express purpose to take over and make us slaves to Shariah Law. As for Delusional what better word describes our so-called leaders just one example of many Nancy Pelosi. For those of you who think this country isn’t under attack within from Radical Islamists should visit shriahthethreat.org these people are retired high ranking ex gov. security officials who have joined forces to try and warn people of this very real danger,this is a prime example of the Fanners and our Delusional Government working together. God tells us he will save this nation if we repent and turn away from all this evil, but with Obama and gay marriage it’s doesn’t seem like that will happen. I will pray for us and i hope you do as well. My thanks to you Bob Livingston incase you read this lengthy post i had much more to say.

      • ohoh

        We have let the stranger in and we have come very low. Your ideas about America are right in a more literal sense than you may know. The calamities about to befall us will fulfill the prophesies known as the Time of Jacob’s Trouble. That’s one of the reasons it’s important for Israel to wake up, and I don’t mean the ersatz “Israel” of Jewish or Judeo-Christian fables.

  • http://corporationsarepeople.blogspot.com/ Portuguese Pete

    If the case against Obama comes down to his place of birth it is weak and Obama will be the beneficiary of a smear campaign that will only serve to help his chances for re-election. Americans sense of fairness will kick in and he wins because his opponents are a few beers short of a six-pack. Even if you accept that Obama was born in Kenya, his American born mother automatically grants him citizenship regardless of where she bears her child. And if this were the case, why would a sophisticated mother not register her son with the American consulate? Where are the records of his birth with the American consulate in Kenya, or was the State Department in on the conspiracy back in 1961?

    Orly Taitz is a dingbat and I don’t want to be associated with a dingbat. And why haven’t the Republicans even tried to impeach him? Seems that impersonating an American would be grounds for removal from office. There are so many other issues to be concerned about that this one is a colossal waste of time and a winner for the Obama team.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Apparently you have no understanding of WHAT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN is. Do some research before you make yourself look like that which you fear. Being a DINGBAT. Whatever that is.

      • TIME

        Dear Pete,

        Looks like Mark has your number down to the wire dude.

        Hey by the way one quick question is a Dingbat in the { Mindlessbat family } or is it from the { Adams Family? }

        As to the grade of IQ would that be on the same scale as a “Less ON” at a whole 10 points on the IQ grading scale of 200.
        Or the well known “More OFF” – that rates in at a 5 points on the IQ grading scale of 200?

        Peace and Love

      • http://corporationsarepeople.blogspot.com/ Portuguese Pete

        Mark, it is you who are ignorant of the ways of the world my friend. I was referencing myself. I was born in Canton, China and my Mother was born in Massachusetts and my father was a native Portuguese citizen. My Mom, being a stickler for detail registered me in the US Consulate in Canton as an “American born of an American parent born on foreign soil,” My “birth certificate” was issued by the US consulate and confirms that I am a natural born American. I have an American passport and no immigrant papers. I was not “naturalized” as I was always a natural born American. So if Obama was indeed born in Kenya ( which he really wasn’t) but for the sake of argument he would be an American just like me. Natural born. There are more people who fit in this category than you think. There are Americans born all over the world, children of diplomats, soldiers and representatives of American businesses abroad and the are all considered natural born if at least one of their parents is American born. I don’t have to look up any bogus propaganda website. I lived it. There are lots of Americans who no nothing about the lives of Americans living abroad but they are just as American as anybody else. This birther stuff is just nonsense and is based on people’s ignorance.

      • http://naver samurai

        PP, since you were not born in the U.S. or on U.S. soil and both of your parents were not U.S. citizens, ergo you are not a natural born citizen. If your mother was under 21, then she would not be able to pass her citizenship down to you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://naver samurai

      Why don’t you check out SCOTUS case Minor vs. Happersett 1875, along with 3 others, and have your mind awakened to what a natural born citizen is. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      Got your “Miss me yet” T-shirts?

      • Neil Swan

        Patriots are people who fight for their country.
        Not people who are against it like the people who call themselves patriots are.

        Neil

      • ehancock

        Minor vs. Happersett never said any such thing. If it did, which it didn’t, it was followed by the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court decision, which stated in a ruling of six to two (one not voting) that EVERY child born in the USA, except for the children of foreign diplomats, is Natural Born.

        “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President….”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

      • http://naver samurai

        “…children being born to parents who are citizens of their country…”

        Minor vs. Happersett 1875

        Looks like you are wrong ehancock. Since this ruling has never been overturned by the SCOTUS, it is still what is determined to be a natural born citizen. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • http://naver samurai

        I guess that since I fought for this country Neil, I’m a patriot, but you are a patriot in name only, eh 5th columner? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • MJB

      Man, you do not know the difference between a citizen and “Natural Born Citizen” do you?

      IT IS A FACT, established by a SCOTUS ruling in 1875 (That has NEVER been overturned as well the FACT the term “Natural Born Citizen was at the time of the writing of the Constitution a common term meaning) a “Natural Born Citizen” is one born of TWO Citizen Parents of said country!

      So, you can SPEW all you want about “But His Mom conveyed her citizenship to him”… Does not work that way for a “Natural Born Citizen”… The rational behind the President NEEDING to be “Natural Born” is a question of “LOYALTY”…

    • FireMall

      Portuguese Pete.

      First: Wake up man.

      Then think about why the Repug-less-nuts haven’t challenged Obama’s well proven Ineligibility issue.
      Same reason the Demons keep their wimpy mouths shut.

      Because 95%+ of the 535 “Members” [as in derogatory term describing male reproductive extremity ] are on the dole & part of the U.N. agenda.

      You and a few others here are correct , to a point, about the birth issue being secondary to other issues.

      The so called secondary issue would be the nearly 500 Congress members that Voted Yea on NDAA. The One and only act passed by a 99% Bi-Partisan vote that “Will’ Put both sides of the Birth issue in the exact same holding cells.

      Of course, [back to the BC issue} Obama’s illegitimate election might have had some degree of accountability for America falling into the deepest hole of Marxism “We The People” will historically & currently ever have to Try to crawl out of or endure for the future . .
      So, assuming you and maybe a few other trolls here Might have the intestinal fortitude to accept the fact that “Both” the Left & Right side of the peasant population , of which neither side has any power whatsoever to do a dam thing about Obama’s U.N. Master’s agenda — Are SOL. Solely due to the 495 or so Congress Members Illegally , Via, NDAA Officially Nullfing the Constitution, The Bill Of Rights & Hebeus Corpus.

      To the Liberal Sheeple here, Be very careful what you silly , self-indulging freebee folks wish for, For, All of “We The People” will have to live with what all you Indoctrinated Duped Utopian suckers “Think” you are going to be given.

      Catch up on the reality of all that has been going on for the past 65-70 years.
      I suggest finding some world history literature { that hasn’t been censored & or modified for the Greater Good } in seeking Truth , i.e., Unbiased proof of How Mankind Never has broken the chain of History by Learning from Historical events.
      BTW; Just in case this hat fits some pointed heads here , The Holocaust actually Occurred & Evil is still hidden under the vales of the Greater Good, regardless of the Weather Underground’s Denial which you consider as Facts.

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        You had me in full agreement up ’til BTW. Yes it existed and is a partial focal point of why we must obey NEOCONIC bidding. That may be a root cause of evil after all is considered.

      • FireMall

        @ Wolfowicz Pearle says: “Quote”
        May 25, 2012 at 10:36 am
        You had me in full agreement up ’til BTW. Yes it existed and is a partial focal point of why we must obey NEOCONIC bidding. That may be a root cause of evil after all is considered.
        ======================================================================

        I think you may have missed the Holocaust “Actually” Did Occur part on my BTW;.

        It was a diss on the Marxist Historical Revisionist. who likely Couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if they were reading the label on the Heel.
        Then again, Considering how those people refuse to acknowledge Hisortical OR Current events as Per the Facts.
        I ain’t sure they can Read. Period. Must be products of their “Forward” Education” clouding their skies of the information highway’s path Leading to some degree of common sense deductions…

    • Jibbs

      Portuguese Pete says:
      May 25, 2012 at 10:26 am
      Mark, it is you who are ignorant of the ways of the world my friend. I was referencing myself. I was born in Canton, China and my Mother was born in Massachusetts and my father was a native Portuguese citizen. My Mom, being a stickler for detail registered me in the US Consulate in Canton as an “American born of an American parent born on foreign soil,” My “birth certificate” was issued by the US consulate and confirms that I am a natural born American. I have an American passport and no immigrant papers. I was not “naturalized” as I was always a natural born American. So if Obama was indeed born in Kenya ( which he really wasn’t) but for the sake of argument he would be an American just like me. Natural born

      —————————————————————————————————————–

      I’m not sure about your “dingbat” remark, but the above info. you provided is wrong.
      If you send me your address, I’ll send you a copy of the original Constitution and HIGHLITE the requirments in yellow for you.
      I have two nephews and a niece is the same situation as you and they CANNOT run for President. The Constitution states that both Parents(plural) must be Natural Born U.S. Citizens. You sir cannot run for President either.
      Giving false information makes you look stupid!!

      • Wolfowicz Pearle

        LOL Well said! Another sane mind among the minutia of misinformed lemmings.

  • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

    Hey, Bob…there is no higher authority for ANYTHING than Snopes! You do realize that don’t you? Snopes is higher than TRUTH, HIGHER than GOD, Higher than EVERYTHING. Just check Snopes if you want the absolute undeniable TRUTH. NOT!

    • TIME

      Dear Mark,

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Peace and Love

    • http://naver samurai

      D’oh! :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • BJ.Holmes

    The MSM isn’t misdirected. They were of the lowest of IQ while being brainwashed in college to hate capitalilsm, free enterprise, people who worship God or respect morality, the principles of the Constitution, and they have never questioned any of it. It is their duty to destroy it and hand this nation over to complete socialism. Check it out! The lowest IQ major in “journalism”, except that the even lower IQ, if possible, choose “communication”.
    Their leaders are rich, evil, unGodly, “superior”, encouraging each other in the ways to control the inferior fools. Watch them. They never fail to prove it.

  • Becky

    After BHO released his so called birth certificate earlier this year I did some research. The hospital it said he was born in did not exist until 1976, it was a home for unwed mothers before that. I’m sure that imformation has been changed to read differently by now.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Maybe Obama didn’t exist until 1976 either. Makes you sick doesn’t it? Where is Billy Jack when we need him?

      • Becky

        He never was a resident of Conn either, but that is where he got his social security card. Man of many faces!

      • Karolyn

        Becky – If you care to find out the truth about the SS#, check out this link. (Although I don’t think any kind of explanation will suffice for “birthers.”)
        http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/social-security-number/

      • kkflash

        Becky,
        Don’t waste your time. I read the link Karolyn posted. It has all the credibility of an Obama campaign promise.

      • eddie47d

        Have you seen some of the nonsense that gets put up on right wing “news” outlets or sites. More sensationalism than fact so it works both ways.

      • Jibbs

        Marshall Dillion would tell Bama that, “he’s gonna see him hang”

      • Karolyn

        kk – Oh, please! If anything is written on a stone conservative site, you take it as gospel. It wouldn’t matter if you met the doctor that birthed Obama and had a video of it; you still wouldn’t believe it. The truth is nobody knows nothn’ for sure, and they’re all just spinnin’ their spins.

      • AZMarc

        Karolyn, “Most likely, this was due to a clerical error.” Straight from the link you gave. Funny, that’s the exact thing the publisher who used the “Born in Kenya” info on the bio for +/- 15 years said. In fact, the numbering on the birth certificate being out of synch with others issued at the time was also explained away as a clerical error. There are only so many errors which I can believe.

      • http://naver samurai

        Hey Karolyn, here is something about the illegal alien that you and the 5th column voted into office.

        http://www.blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2012/05/23/media-blackout-obama-appoints-assassination-czar-137181/

        I guess the 5th column is really trying to destroy this country with this person, NDAA, and many other things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Ken

      Your a slow one Karolyn, but I’m holdin’ out some hope for ya!

  • Third_stone

    We have all seen the long and short forms of his birth certificate.
    Are we aware that Sara Palin was reported to have been born in Canada, where her family took advantage of the free medical care?
    Where is Romney’s birth certificate? I am sure he was born of a stock swindle, no human mother.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      I’ve seen the long and short FAKE forms of a birth certificate purporting to be his. And Joe just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to me that it IS fake. But WTF does it matter to anyone who ignores the rule of law for everything they do? We might all just as well join in and have total chaos. I’d be for that! Give it five years…

    • http://naver samurai

      I see someone is very drunk on kool aid. Care to cite a source about Sarah being born in Canada? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Steve E

        Third_stone is so idiotic that he even thinks everyone else is, just like himself. It goes with my lifelong theorry: 1/3 of the world’s population are brainless idiots.

      • http://naver samurai

        True that! True that! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • libertarian

      I love that one, Romney is a stock swindle. Vote Ron Paul.

      • Ken

        Ron Paul indeed libertarian – and he’s got the power, the popularity and the delegates to win!

        The regularly paid bloggers here have been saying for the last year PLUS that he wouldn’t be popular OR electable….OOOOPS…..more egg-on-the-face!!!!

        Where’s wittle wobby today? I miss him!

  • sabulaman

    Doc, what will you say and do if all of this is found to be true?

    • Doc Sarvis

      I like your use of the word “if”. Ha.

      • Steve E

        Looks like sabulaman left you speechless.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Looks like you missed my point.

  • John Wayne

    I cannot fathom the clout behind Obama concerning the “loss or destruction” of his passport information concerning travel as a child or college student. Further, the “loss or destruction” of his Selective Service information only widens the scope of either governmental incompetency or bribery. I suspect there is something very big behind him and I don’t know if Soros is THAT big.

    • Becky

      Look to the middle east my son!

  • patriot

    Please vote him out of office. Save America.

  • dan

    dose anyone believe the founding fathers anticipated this problem and sought to prevent it with the standards that have been flaunted by the Congress…yes, I lay the blame at the feet of those who didn’t do their due diligence as well as the complicit media but how can I leave out the 51% that voted for Obozo…the lunatics are truly in charge of the asylum .

    • Third_stone

      Know that the founding fathers were illegal immigrants. Most were born overseas, and none had entered the country lawfully.
      Maybe we would prefer Romney, who sold your job to the Chinese years ago.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Third_stone,

        You write: “Know that the founding fathers were illegal immigrants. Most were born overseas, and none had entered the country lawfully.” A masterful display of misdirection couched in lies and non sequiturs. Your Alinskyite teachers would be proud.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • KuWull

        Your reply identifies your brain as your “third stone.”

      • eddie47d

        Third Stone made a well founded observation and his comment should be considered by all. Our Founding Fathers were unique and highly qualified individuals but that doesn’t change how they got here or where they came from.

      • http://naver samurai

        Care to cite a source to back up that lie? If you are American, you definately need to restudy our history. Just another paid troll. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • eddie47d

        The United States of America did not exist when our Founding Fathers arrived so actually none of these leaders were natural born citizens. Instead of calling someone names you should have known that as a history teacher.

      • joseph foster

        I said earlier in my comments all of those whites that came to the continent of America are illegals, and to some extent criminals because they invaded a country that was inhabited by American Indians the natives of the Land. They robbed the land and killed many of its inhabitants there after the British declared the stolen Land as Colonies, the white settlers Washington of English ancestry betrayed his ancestral country and declared the colony USA. He became the first President and was born a British subject since when he was born, a country namely the USA was not established.
        To add more confusion US citizen refer to themselves Americans, the term America is the name of the continent of America both North and south all inhabitants of the continent are Americans, just like all of the inhabitants of the continent of Europe are Europeans.
        The British to this day has no written constitution and its Government is functioning without a written constitution, you may say King John was forced to give the British freedom. The constitution of the USA is a myth and a farce; if you read the document as written you will remain ignorant as to its contents, you must read volume and volumes of interpretation to comprehend the meaning; those that interpret are judges appointed by politicians each political party appoints a Judge that thinks like them.
        Let’s set aside all of the controvecey as to Obama place of birth, he is beyond a shadow of doubt an American citizen, some may say he is not since he was not born in the USA,
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • MAP

        The only founder I know that was an illegal alien was Hamilton. And I shouldn’t have to recite the problems he created.

      • Charlie Tall

        Hey, third_stone, try reading the Constitution instead of running your mouth:

        Article II, Section 1, in part, reads, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President…”

        So much for your ignorance-based comment, dude.

      • kkflash

        Third Stone,
        Please explain how our founding fathers could be illegal immigrants in a country that didn’t exist when they got here!

      • Patriot II

        Third:

        Romney is a “Pruner”, He’s gonna take his Trimmers out and cut out some of the dead wood “Praise the Lord that is exactly what needs to happen. Romney is the perfect candidate!!!!

        Do you work in a govt. dept? Or Union? Here what we should do will allot of the Gov Departments, who create lots and lots of rules and regulations so they can have a job,

        Let’s take 40% of them each day, pay them to go golfing or bowling, so the rest of the 60% (whom we really need) can get some work done without tripping over the other 40% that we got out of the office to go golfing.

        OR…………maybe prune them out?

        We need some serious pruning I know you think the government job is to create Jobs, that kind of thinking IS SO WRONG!!,… so Socialistic!

        “We the People” (Not the Fed Gov’t) in order to form a more perfect union…. Recognize this? Did you learn in it school? .

      • daniel

        Third stone please you have to be kidding. Eddie47 I have given this statement of of stoned appropriate thought. However I expected better of you as you have been around here a long time.

      • http://naver samurai

        If we were not a country then, how were our founders illegal immigrants hmmm? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Steve E

      Dan, at least we still have the Second Amendment. It was put there for that reason.

    • cawmun cents

      51%…..Which causes one to ponder……just how many of those who voted did so from the afterlife?
      The concept of dead people voting is not a new one.
      How many mentally deceased people are out there campaining for Omamba as we speak?
      The world may never know.
      -CC.

      • alex

        what? in Chicago? how dare you!

  • Rasta

    The far right is made up of real idiots. One just happens to be the owner of this blog!

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Did you have a nice large glass of Kool Aid this morning Rasta? Reads like you may have…

      • Tim L.

        I’m sure you had a large pot of Tea.

      • http://naver samurai

        Tea is a lot better than kool aid Tim. But alas! I guess you have to be a good little sheep, now don’t you?

        “The people in general ought to have regard to the moral characterof those whom they invest with authority either in the legislative, executive, or judicial bracnches.”

        John Witherspoon

        This is one thing that is wrong with how American liberals do things. They only want people to vote their pocket and not what really is important. Obama bin Laden has no moral character and was voted into office by idiots. These people only looked at his race and were beguiled by his lies. I hope people wake up and vote for a better person than Obama bin Laden this time. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Rasta,

      Thank you for a wonderfully cogent refutation of the points made. You were, no doubt, the star of your debate team.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Sirian

        LOL!! That’s good Bob, him – debate team? LOL!!! :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        LOL! GREAT response!!!!

      • Big Woody

        Bob: I think your reply to Rasta was rude. A thank you for being a subscriber to your site should have been included. Please try to be more considerate in the future. ~BW~

      • trashman

        I think that Rasta be doin’ a little ganja!

      • http://naver samurai

        Sheesh! A less intelligent response from Big Woody. The trolls are out in force today. Thank goodness I brought extra ammo. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.
        A very well worded and truthful response Bob. One question for you Bob, what are the possibilities of Obama bin Laden being off the ballots in AZ and FL?

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear samurai,

        You write: “One question for you Bob, what are the possibilities of Obama bin Laden being off the ballots in AZ and FL?” Zero. He is Bilderberg approved.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Steve E

        Woody, If Rasta were to state anything that made sense, he might.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Big Woody,

        You write: “Bob: I think your reply to Rasta was rude.” I trust your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek as you typed.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Intellibronc

        The best method to silence a marxist; debate them!!! chirp chirp click click is all one will hear….

      • Jibbs

        Hehehe, ….Bob, HIGH FIVE!!

      • http://naver samurai

        You’re probably right Bob, but you never know what may happen between now and November 2.

        “When the people rise in masses in behalf of the Union and the liberties of their country, truly may it be said, the gates of hell shall not prevail against them.”

        Abraham Lincoln

        Since the Constitution is being cut up more and more each day by this administration, along with the vanishing of our rights, maybe we need to peacefully march on Washington. If this doesn’t work, then we march in and clean house. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Penny R. Freeman

      If you believe that why do you read it? Yes it’s been proven time and again we have a foreign born jackass as POTUS. Hope you enjoy the higher taxes next year and NO HEALTHCARE under Obamacare! Maybe you’ll be lucky and be one of the first to be denied treatment by the panel of unelected bureaucrats set to make decisions governing everyone’s care based on the expense of the care and the person’s value to this country. It’ll be nice under that garbage health care reform to get treated like a piece of manufacturing equipment won’t it?

      • alex

        keep in mind the democRATS think the world is over populated so the elderly need to die sooner thats the whole reason for the health care plan

    • http://naver samurai

      Troll alert! Troll alert! I just wonder how much you were paid for the very unintellectual response? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000577895911 Bob Moore

      A lot of folk like those conspiracy theories. The truth is not important to the far right, getting rid of Obama is.

  • Doc Sarvis

    Beating a dead horse. Yawn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Beating a dead horse? Are you referring the the United States Constitution. That pesky document that the psychos in “power” use for toilet paper? That says ONLY A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN can be President? Well if screwballs like you get there way, Ahmadinejad can run for President. Well, he might have a harder time than Obombya, but what the hell?

      • Doc Sarvis

        Ahmadinejad has run for President of Iran and IS the President of Iran.

      • http://naver samurai

        I think he was talking about the U.S. Doc an not Iran. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound 5th columner. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • eddie47d

      I would say Mark is the one attacking the Constitution as irrelevant since the birther question is no more than an assumption.Mark wants to convict before the proof positive is presented. I don’t think the signers of our Constitution wanted people or even Presidents tarred and feathers before the reasonable doubt question is solved. I don’t think some of the claims against Obama are very reasonable and no more than illegitimate muckraking. .

      • Intellibronc

        Why doesn’t the imposter disclose such elementary forms? Afterall, he far more ‘intelligent’ than us minions. Let’s see his college transcripts, let’s see his immigration forms, let’s see his social security card, let’s see his selective service information. The narcissist is always in our face telling how important he is, but he can’t merely show these simple documents. I wonder why???? If you don’t, that shows your lack of intellectual integrity.

      • http://naver samurai

        Seeing is believing Ed. Speaking of the Constitution, why doesn’t he just show these things and prove that he is eligible under the Constitution? Another 5th column sheeple. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://naver samurai

      Didn’t you 5th columners do the same thing with Bush’s military records?

      “No one should be affraid to take on any enterprise in the name of our Savior if it is right and its purpose his urely for His holy service.”

      Christopher Columbus

      This is for his purpose to expose the COOTUS for the pretender, fraud, and liar he is. Nothing else needs to be said. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Patriot II

    Havn’t seen any commnets from the One-Worldlers (Obama’s Political Party),yet this morning

    • Doc Sarvis

      Yawn!

    • Doc Sarvis
      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong again Doc. Don’t you ever get tired of walking around with egg on your face?

        http://www.westernjournalism.com//hawaii-wont-send-official-confirmation-of-obamas-birth-to-arizona/

        Another loss for the 5th column. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • cawmun cents

        At the bottom of the page you provided a link to,in tiny letters,is a place where you can read the disclaimer:
        I suggest that you read,and comprehend it,before you accept what is on the page.
        But what do I know?
        Apparently very little…..
        -Cheers!
        -CC.

      • Doc Sarvis

        cc
        Once you get past the home page of most (2/3rds in my ample sample – including AZ) state web sites you will see very similar disclaimers. It is a standard template for anyone to CYA as opposed to some hidden agenda.

      • cawmun cents

        Notice that I said,”read and comprhend BEFORE accepting”(paraphrasing)
        Obviously you neglected to do that…not surprising given your posititon on the matter.
        -CC.

  • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

    Why don.t they give this thing a rest?

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear coal miner,

      You write: “Why don.t they give this thing a rest?” Who is the “they” you’re referring to?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • TIME

        Dear Bob,

        Thanks for the SUPER blog this AM.

        Peace and Love

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hawaii-weve-officially-verifie...
        2 days ago … HONOLULU (The Blaze/AP) — The state of Hawaii has verified President Barack Obama’s birth records to Arizona’s elections chief.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear coal miner,

        Arizona’s SOS capitulation to political pressure proves nothing. You link is irrelevant.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • TIME

        Dear Coal,

        Note the { AP } as the noted sorce.

        Again just who owns the AP? Can we say “Goldman Sak’s,” again who owns Goldman, can we say the “Rothschilds?”

        And who is in that special 1% we all hear about all the time?
        OMG, would that be the ROTHSCHILDS, say it taint so, one of the TOP 1%er’s who hold 58% of the worlds Wealth, and 98% of the worlds mass media.
        I guess that begs the question; why would they want to control your thinking patterns?

        No matter where an AP quote comes from, the old company motto would apply.
        “Believe nothing in print.”

        But if one so wants to believe such worthless waste materials, – well I guess thats their GIG.
        Please note – You can also get just as good if not even better intel than the AP, UP, UPI, etc. from { comic’s in the Sunday paper.}
        I wrap fish in them so I know I catch really smart fish!

        Peace and Love

      • Karolyn

        TIME – You might find this article debunking the Rothschild conspiracy theory interesting.
        http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

      • TIME

        Dear Karolyn,

        The facts are Karolyn, they own 50% of the FED, 58% of all the worlds wealth as in Gold Silver, etc.. land, water rights, oil rights, gas rights, air rights,, 90% of all mass media, to include the Music biz!
        They own Israel — and we the American tax payers paid for it.
        They also own the city state of LONDON — where the poor sods of the UK paid for that.
        They own well over 70% of all banks worldwide to include the IMF.
        They own Goldman Sak’s who owns countless other companys. some of what I noted above.
        They also own 90% of the American congress, thats just the tip of the ice burg.
        I as well as many others have done far more digging into them than the noted author of the articale you posted, of what – BTW thank you I enjoyed it for its humor.

        None the less they are one of the 13 blodliness that think they are from the Gods; Amon – Ra, Seth, & Hours.
        Oddly as we still today follow all of the holidays set forth by these people we now just call them;
        Christmas, the Re – Bith of the Sun / SON,
        Easter – Nissan,
        Pass Over when the sun pass’s over the Equator..
        How odd is that again?

        There are NO conspiracies, there is only: TRUTH.

        Peace and Love

      • Brad J.

        The ones calling the shots around the world would be the oldest and richest family in the world. The Rothchilds conspiracy theory has always been an interesting subject. Shakespeare said “The world is a stage”. Yes it is, and we are the actors and actresses. Or should I say the puppets? Our lives and the way we perceive the world have been shaped over decades. A very well-written play, where the actors and actresses have come to believe over time that their roles are real. What a shame that so many have come to a point in time where they have been slowly transformed. Keep up the good work, Bob, with your excellent insights into the chaotic world that we live in. If we can’t expose Obama and his treacherous ways, then perhaps we can just vote his butt out of office in November. Hopefully, many others will wake up from their Ozombified world and follow suit.

      • Karolyn

        TIME – Although I am not a skeptical person, in seeking the truth I would rather believe someone who makes his living as a skeptic.

      • TIME

        Dear Karolyn,

        For years I was a sceptic about everything, then on March 13th 1997 what ever vestiges I had of the mental disorder of thinking that all is well was lost for ever.
        That happened on I 17 while on my way home to Flaggstaff at 7:45 PM. From that day forward my life was changed forever. My eyes opened for the first TIME.
        I still to this day have no words for what I saw, nor has there ever been any explanation that has been given that logical.
        So I now rely on what my eyes see in plain sight, as well as what I find in Doucments signed by the people of whom I speak.
        When I lived in New York I lived very near one of the high level CFR as well the TRC member who is still a good friend, – JFTR – they are very close with the “Red Shield” family.

        ALL – TRUTHS are out there if you look in the right place.
        Just as I can look in all the wrong places and come to the conclusion that the world is flat, and that people are two dimensional., but would that be TRUTH? No.

        I made my living making TONES that people spend money on, my medium has more control over emotions than most can begin to fathom – whats that, “Music,”
        Do you know that even your DNA resinates to HZ level’s. yet 99% of the world population has no clue about this either.
        So dose that mean it does not exist? No. Its simply a TRUTH known to only a few

        So one can be sceptial about everything, yet many things are TRUTH to those of us who know the facts. Just as; one can lead a horse to water, but one can’t make the horse drink the water.
        Yet a control grid has been invented that will infact make that dam horse drink the water.
        Just like Ivan Pavlov’s dog.
        So is that not a TRUTH? To some perhaps ist not, but to anyone who knows about the Control Grid, it is TRUTH.

        Thus those in the know, really do know far more than even the above average person will ever be able to get their head’s around.
        So the TRUTH is what it is and nothing will ever change that no matter how deep one incerts their head in the sand.
        Saddly Its just a simple matter of opening ones eyes to what is hidden in plain sight.

        Peace and Love

      • dovahkiin

        Dear time, I find what you extremely interesting and aim curious to what you saw that changed your mind in what others would call a bit extreme view. I tend to agree with your sentiments, although I do not know any where near what you know. the tones and Hz levels areminded me of things I read up on about haarp, but I was a dumb teenager and didn’t follow up in it much. anyway, really enjoyed your post!

      • C. Head

        The “they” are an overwhelming majority of patriotic, Constitution abiding, real AMERICANS !!

      • TIME

        Dear Do,

        I have no bloody clue what to tell you, so this is about as close as I can get.

        I saw a thing in the sky that was not a disk, it was not an airplane, it was not a hot air ballon, it was not small in any way shape or form, as a matter of fact it “blocked out the sky” for quite some time.
        It looked like a large wing, with five very clear pulsing lights – two of these went down the wings with one in the very front area.

        These lights had a pulse that went in and out like a phaser with a note, but it was not raddical in nature it was totaly controled and even in its nature.

        It made no sound, as in you could hear a pin drop, it was so large that I have no words for size, the best I can do is say it was like a {small city) in the sky.
        It moved slowly and with a vey direct route it looked as if it was following I 17 south toward Phoenix.

        I had no fear of it, nor did the others standing watching it like a group of kids watching a sports team at school. There had to have been around 40 of us who were all stoped and standing outside of our cars transfixed on this thing.

        I never have seen anything like it before nor after. I have never seen a UFO and I don’t know if this fits the profile of what we are told UFO’s look like. Again this was not a disk nor round, nor flat nor with colored strobes etc. And it was HUGE, again it blocked out the sky totaly. I have no clue who – nor where – nor what it was.
        I am only one of the many thousands of people who saw this thing.

        Oddly it never even hit me until much later about the Hail Bop and the Heavens Gate until years later. Hail Bop 3 / 23, Heaven Gate 3 /27 What I saw was 3 /13

        Peace and Love

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      Why? WHY? Because Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can now run for President if a precedent is set that allows FOREIGN BORN people to occupy the presidency outside of the CONSTITUTIONAL (WTF IS THAT?) REQUIREMENTS. BTW…in case you don’t know who that is I mentioned. It is the current President of Iran.

      • Randy G

        Does anyone know it’s alright for the government to lie to the people but it is not alright for the people to lie to the government?

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Coal Miner:
      Right On!! Everyone else here, google this article. “Hawaii certifies Obama’s birth certificate to the state of Arizona”. This article disproves the nonsense that’s being spewed. Thanks!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Really Tony? Here is proof that Obama bin Laden is a Kenyan and not an American.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-literary-agent-obama-born-in-kenya/

        Looks like the 5th column has been proven wrong again. What else is new? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t be so gullible Samurai for even your article is full of holes. Who was the author of that sub-article who claims Obama was born in Kenya. Obama could have been referring to his father who was born there. Going home or coming home is often referred to by people returning to their ancestral homelands whether Kenya,Italy or any other country. It’s okay to question but that video proves nothing.

      • Karolyn

        samurai – That has already been shown to be an error by the publicist. I’m sure you don’t believe her, but I just had to point that out.

      • Intellibronc

        I’ve got oceanfront property to sell you in Kansas, you’ll love the views….

      • DaveH

        Really, Karolyn?
        Perhaps you could cite your source and convince us?

      • Dale on the left coast

        And how did they do that Tony? Did they produce the “REAL Original BC”?
        Don’t believe so . . . they produced nothing but their “Belief” . . . kind of like the Gorebull Warming scam . . .

      • Judy

        Oh Yes, I am looking at the Verification of Birth Right Now. FACT: It is a letter NOT EVEN SIGNED by the State Registrar. Some BOZO with the initials gic signed the registrar’s name to the letter. Oh yea, That’s real authentic, NOT ! The verification is nothing but a joke. Another bogus cover for the Usurper by the Dept. of Health in Hawaii.

      • Karolyn
      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Tony

        Our Nations’ First TRUE Patriots
        Thanks to Bob Aldrich for sharing this

        “Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

        For the record, here’s a portrait of the men who pledged “our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor” for liberty many years ago.”

        Fifty-six men from each of the original 13 colonies signed the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. Nine of the signers were immigrants, two were brothers and two were cousins. One was an orphan. The average age of a signer was 45. Benjamin Franklin was the oldest delegate at 70. The youngest was Thomas Lynch Jr. of South Carolina at 27.

        Eighteen of the signers were merchants or businessmen, 14 were farmers, and four were doctors. Twenty-two were lawyers – although William Hooper of North Carolina was “disbarred” when he spoke out against the king – and nine were judges. Stephen Hopkins had been governor of Rhode Island. Forty-two signers had served in their colonial legislatures.

        John Witherspoon of New Jersey was the only active clergyman to attend. (Indeed, he wore his pontificals to the sessions.) Almost all were Protestants. Charles Carroll of Maryland was the lone Roman Catholic.

        Seven of the signers were educated at Harvard, four at Yale, four at William & Mary, and three at Princeton. Witherspoon was the president of Princeton, and George Wythe was a professor at William & Mary. His students included Declaration scribe Thomas Jefferson.

        Seventeen signers fought in the American Revolution. Thomas Nelson was a colonel in the Second Virginia Regiment and then commanded Virginia military forces at the Battle of Yorktown. William Whipple served with the New Hampshire militia and was a commanding officer in the decisive Saratoga campaign. Oliver Wolcott led the Connecticut regiments sent for the defense of New York and commanded a brigade of militia that took part in the defeat of General Burgoyne. Caesar Rodney was a major general in the Delaware militia; John Hancock held the same rank in the Massachusetts militia.

        The British captured five signers during the war. Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, and Arthur Middleton were captured at the Battle of Charleston in 1780. George Walton was wounded and captured at the Battle of Savannah. Richard Stockton of New Jersey never recovered from his incarceration at the hands of British Loyalists. He died in 1781.

        Thomas McKean of Delaware wrote John Adams that he was “hunted like a fox by the enemy – compelled to remove my family five times in a few months.” Abraham Clark of New Jersey had two of his sons captured by the British during the war.

        Eleven signers had their homes and property destroyed. Francis Lewis’s New York home was razed and his wife taken prisoner. John Hart’s farm and mills were destroyed when the British invaded New Jersey, and he died while fleeing capture. Carter Braxton and Nelson, both of Virginia, lent large sums of their personal fortunes to support the war effort but were never repaid.

        Fifteen of the signers participated in their states’ constitutional conventions, and six – Roger Sherman, Robert Morris, Franklin, George Clymer, James Wilson, and George Reed – signed the U.S. Constitution.

        After the Revolution, 13 signers went on to become governors. Eighteen served in their state legislatures. Sixteen became state and federal judges. Seven became members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Six became U.S. senators. James Wilson and Samuel Chase became Supreme Court justices. Jefferson, Adams, and Elbridge Gerry each became vice president. Adams and Jefferson later became president.

        Five signers played major roles in the establishment of colleges and universities: Franklin and the University of Pennsylvania; Jefferson and the University of Virginia; Benjamin Rush and Dickinson College; Lewis Morris and New York University; and George Walton and the University of Georgia.

        Adams, Jefferson, and Carroll were the longest surviving signers. Adams and Jefferson both died on July 4, 1826, the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Carroll was the last signer to die in 1832 at the age of 95.

        Sources: Robert Lincoln, Lives of the Presidents of the United States, with Biographical Notices of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence (Brattleboro Typographical Company, 1839); John and Katherine Bakeless, Signers of the Declaration (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1969); Biographical Directory of the United States Congress, 1774-1989 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1989)”.

      • AZMarc

        Karolyn, I know a few authors who have been publishing for many years and to a person they say that they read every bio the publisher puts out for any glaring errors. This bio was in use for +/-15 years. You mean to tell me that not once in that time did Obama or anyone else notice what would have been a truly “glaring error”? Regardless what the publisher has been forced to say after all this time, when you look at this it is just one more bit…speaking of bits, how about the fact that when the newest edition of the “original” BC came out it had layers. A scanned image would only have a single layer. That was why they retracted it for a while and re-released it after giving someone time to print and scan it to eliminate the layers. But it was out there, and people saved it.

    • cawmun cents

      Lyrics from the song “Eye of the Beholder”-Metallica,….and Justice For All

      “Doesnt matter what you see
      or into it what you read,

      You can do it your own way,
      if it’s done just how I say.

      Independence limited.
      Freedom of choice is made for you my friend.
      Freedom of speech is words that they will bend.

      Freedom,with their exception.”-James Hetfield

      Just look at the animus by which the student was treated by the teacher.
      Kind of says it all doesnt it.
      Personally I agree with Dr.Savage.
      Liberalism is a mental disorder.
      But we shouldnt call them”LUNATICS”,that wouldnt be PC.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

      • eddie47d

        The thing is CC that there are several here who don’t believe in “justice for all” and have stated that in many different ways. So your Metallica quote is meaningless. I’m sure the left could find as many Birthers who have a mental disorder and it it obvious the the radical right has it’s own diseased agenda.

      • Intellibronc

        There’s nothing liberal about enormous, controlling government, illiberals are the most hypocritical lot; Illiberalism is a Mental Disorder!!!

      • cawmun cents

        Then riddle me this one Batman,if those running the educational,financial.departmental,physiological,pharmacological,communicational,
        environmental,social,cultural,aspects of our government arent liberals,then:
        A.Why do you want to keep them in power?(since you are a professed liberal)
        B.What are they?
        C.Why are they throwing money around like drunken sailors?(since the term conservative would imply a different strategy for financial accumen,right?)
        Note to all readers of this post:
        I know eddie47d has no real qualifiable answer to these questions,so bare with his distorted and comically illogical retort.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • eddie47d

        Those departments exist for the soul reason that Conservatives willingly destroyed the environment over a couple hundred years and the rest of America became sick of their abuse. The same thing could be said about trying to regulate the financial problems. The powers to be on Wall Street became greedy along with the Banksters and the rest of America became sick of their behavior. Thus more and more departments were created to keep a watchful eye on the manipulators of society. Go down your “list” and insert the same reasons. and then clean up the messes that Conservatives created.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Coal Miner, is that a photo of you posted there?? Are you related to Moochelle Odrama?? You could be her twin man!! Wow such a resembalance! Do you crave a banana?? I hear she can peal one without using her hands. Is that true??

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Brad,

        My boy, that is your ancestor.Ha ha ha

    • Judy Chambers

      Because The Truth Matters. The Constitution Matters !!

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      http://www.abiederman.com/immigration/immigrants-become-founding-fat...

      Jan 21, 2011 – Immigrants Become Founding Fathers … Immigrants were most likely to start companies in the semiconductor, communications and software.

      • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

        Posted by Daniel A. Bennett

        January 21, 2011

        Before 1882, anyone could move to the United States. As the population grew, however, the federal government decided to control immigration. Throughout most of the 20th century, the federal government fine-tuned its immigration policies to answer specific concerns of its citizens.

        In recent years, an increasing number of Americans have come to believe that immigrants are overwhelming the country, particularly when it comes to jobs. In all of the heated debate over foreign workers and visas, the immigration issue is often painted with one broad stroke.

        A new study, released last week, throws new information into the debate over foreign workers who arrive in the U.S. on such specialty visas.

        The report, based on telephone surveys with 2,054 companies and projections by researchers at the University of California at Berkeley and Duke University, says about 25 percent of the technology and engineering companies launched in the U.S. in the past decade had at least one foreign-born founder.

        Immigrants were most likely to start companies in the semiconductor, communications and software niches; they were least likely to enter the defense sector. California led the nation, with foreign-born entrepreneurs founding 39 percent of startups, compared to 25 percent of the state’s population. In New Jersey, 38 percent of tech startups were founded by immigrants, followed by Michigan (33 percent), Georgia (30 percent), Virginia (29 percent) and Massachusetts (29 percent).

        An introduction to the report asserted that debate over “unskilled” illegal immigrants has clouded the importance of immigration on the U.S. economy.

        “Overlooked in the debate are the hundreds of thousands of skilled immigrants who annually enter the country legally,” the report reads.

        The study, which comes nearly eight years after an influential UC-Berkeley report on the impact of foreign-born entrepreneurs, notes that, of an estimated 7,300 U.S. tech startups founded by immigrants, 26 percent have Indian founders, CEOs, presidents or head researchers. Indian immigrants founded more tech startups from 1995 to 2005 than people from the four next biggest sources — United Kingdom, China, Taiwan and Japan — combined.

        Further, Indians emerged as the dominant entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley. In AnnaLee Saxenian’s 1999 study, Chinese immigrants dominated. Saxenian, now dean of the School of Information at UC-Berkeley, was also co-author of the new study.

        Immigrants’ contributions to corporate coffers, employment and U.S. competitiveness in the global technology sector offer a counterpoint to the ongoing political and industry debate over immigration and the economy, which largely centers on unskilled, illegal workers in low-wage jobs.

        “It’s one thing if your gardener gets deported,” said the study’s lead author, Vivek Wadhwa, a Delhi-born former technology executive who immigrated from India with his family as a young man. “But if these entrepreneurs leave, we’re really denting our intellectual property creation.”

        In fact, tech industry lobbyists have already cited the study in a push to persuade Congress to increase the annual allotment of H-1B visas, which allow U.S. companies to sponsor temporary workers in specialty occupations such as computer programming and systems analysis. The companies say they cannot find enough Americans to fill jobs; other proponents contend that globalization requires U.S. companies to import talented workers.

        “This research shows that immigrants have become a significant driving force in the creation of new businesses and intellectual property in the U.S. — and that their contributions have increased over the past decade,” wrote Wadhwa.

        Saxenian said the research debunks the notion that immigrants who come to the U.S. take jobs from Americans, as the report found that immigrants — mostly from India and China — helped start hundreds of companies in the U.S., generating $52 billion in sales and employing 450,000 workers in 2005.

        “The advantage of entrepreneurs is that they’re generally creating new opportunities and new wealth that didn’t even exist before them,” Saxenian said. “Just by leaving your home country, you’re taking a risk, and that means you’re willing to take risks in business.

        “You put them in an environment that supports entrepreneurship, and this is the logical outcome.”

        Last year, the industry raised the issue in the national debate over immigration reform, but Congress ended its session without acting on the Securing Knowledge, Innovation and Leadership Act.

        The bill would increase the annual quota on the H-1B visas to 115,000 from 65,000, eliminate green-card caps for some advanced-degree holders and streamline the processing of employment-based green cards. Tech lobbyists want to revive it.

        It is unknown how many of the immigrants who founded technology companies had H-1B visas.

        The study also looked at founders of engineering and technology companies started from 1995 to 2005, and analyzed the World Intellectual Property Organization Patent Cooperation Treaty database. The researchers found that foreign-born inventors living in the U.S. without citizenship accounted for 24 percent of patent filings last year, compared with 7.3 percent in 1998.

        Without permanent citizenship, inventors are more likely to take valuable intellectual property elsewhere — and U.S. companies would have to compete with them, Wadhwa said.

        “The bottom line is: Why aren’t these people citizens?” Wadhwa said. “We’re giving away the keys to the kingdom. This is a big, big deal once you figure out what this means for us competitiveness.”

        The report concludes by suggesting that understanding the importance of skilled immigrants in the U.S. economy is essential to “maintaining U.S. competitiveness in a global economy.”

      • joseph foster

        Excellent comments, Americans forget that the USA is a land of immigrants it was founded by illegal immigrants that came to the Land today known as USA.
        I understand to day many of the Chinese Americans of high education are now returning to their ancestral home land and China is welcoming these American Chinese with open arms.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong answer Joseph. The original 13 colonies was land under the possession of the King of England, who allowed anyone to immigrate, as long as they obeyed the laws, worked, cause no trouble, and honored the king. Since we were not a country at that time, how could they be illegal? Need to cite a source other than your one sided book tha seems to be full of half truths. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        You miss understand me the 13 Colonies was land conquered by illegals, the King is claiming land that he stole from the Indians, he committed an illegal act. We made it legal, not the Indians that were natives of the Land. They did not say all Europeans may come and steal their land and live on the Land. Read your history how these people fought many battles with the invaders and in the end lost.
        Since the history of mankind the Monarchy, Tyrants, Tsars etc. send their Army to conquer weaker countries. The British were the biggest robbers of other people Land they created the USA, Canada Australia, and New Zealand, they failed as to South Africa since the white settlers did not begin to kill the natives, had they done so South Africa will be a similar country like the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. The white in South Africa practiced apartheid similar to the US as to Blacks in the end the white in South Africa could no longer dominate the country. World opinion went against their apartheid policy and the natives took control of the country, their first elected President was Nelson Mandela. This leader during struggle for Independence was imprisoned for 25 years by the white South African regime.
        As to the USA it was LBJ that passed the civil right act in 1964 that freed the African American from oppression.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

      • http://naver samurai

        ince there were nor official governments, treaties, countries, etc., in place over here, the Europeans coming here were not illegals. Many of them did try towork with the Native Americans, but many on both sides did not. Look at the French in Canada and our Midwest. They were able to become part of the people in question. They even had Native American wives, children, and learn each others language. Look at how Powhatan kept trying to take advantage of the Britsh and tried to assert his power and influence on them. Though he had united most of eastern Virgina by diplomacy and conquest, he thought he could do the same with the English. Why don’t you read up on your history as you may learn something. Also, this is a site for debate, not the selling of your book. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        My friend you are painting a picture that is free from reality. When the continent was discovered Europeans conquered the land and killed the natives and seized their land, what was left were placed In Indian reservation. Those that came will not be considered by any of the Indian tribes as legal immigrant, they robbed the land. Having said that please do not confine my comments to the British and Americans.
        The process of conquest and Land robbery has been going on for thousands of years, The Arabs, The Persians, The Roman, and The Chinese the list goes on and on. Russia today is 2.5 times the size of the USA. The population of Russia is approximately 150 million it is the largest country on earth why, by conquest.
        As to my book if you love America as I do then read my book it has no comment on the Birtheir issue. My first chapter is ‘The Destruction of America. Stand up for America’ the basic theme is today we have allowed our mightiest Industry in the name of greed and cheap labor to be transferred to China. We are destroying the American middle class. Both political parties are now controlled by special interest group that has no interest in the future of America; their quest is make the money and the hell with the majority of the American people.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • http://gravatar.com/catman11 coal miner

      President Obama’s birth certificate – CNN.com

      http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2011/…obama.birth.certificate/index.html

      The White House released copies of President Barack Obama’s original long-form birth certificate Wednesday, seeking to put an end to persistent rumors.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

        can you spell forgery

  • http://yahoo tim cox

    My biggest disappointment is that the congress and senate have done nothing, they have neither challanged this or any of his tactics like excutive orders or appointments or no budget, anyone who says anything is labeled. Some saw it is to late in the administration to do anything but it is never to late for justice or to correct the history books

    • nc

      Larry, have you ever wondered why those who could do something about an imposter in the White House have not removed a person YOU believe to be an imposter? Could it possibly be that they know more about the proof necessary to do such a thing and that they don’t have that proof? Could it be that their counsel has told them that?? How do you KNOW the powers that be are hiding the truth! Who are your POWERS THAT BE that claim to know the truth?? Just you or have you been persuaded by others? You know, the old kool aid mind killer!! Are you as sure of the birther think as bush was that there were WMD in Iraq??

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

        I have weighed all the evidence studied the accussed and I personally
        think the american people have had the biggest scam ran on them in the history of
        this country. I also think they will be scammed again in november for the upcoming
        election will not be legitimate. You and others can think what you want , thats
        your business. I will not resort to name calling as others do. The president
        and the majority of hi staff are nothing more than planted puppets , servants of
        the wealthy. The shadow gov as it is called. I have 0 confidence or trust in any
        of the 3 branchs of the U.S. Gov. I consider them an enemy of america its
        citizens and all she stands for.

      • http://naver samurai

        Bush, baaaaa! WMD, baaaaa! Iraq, baaaaa! I see the 5th column is showing its normal tactic of attacking the previous administration and not focusing on this one, like they should be. Well said Larry. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • kategray

    The birth certificate is a FORGERY! Same one as before and it was proven that is was not genuine.

    • Randy G

      They have proved it is a fake. but further proof is possible. Since the documents are sequencial(sp.?) wouldn’t the one before & one after be the same? & those are private citizens so the prez would not stop anyone from getting them.

  • Sirian

    This was known of Obummer even prior to his election in ’08. Ignored by the masses, conned by the liberal utopians, lies and deception laid by the one. Will a full realization ever come about – doubtful. Why? Obvious – MSM and a perpetual continuation of lies, misdirection, useful idiots galore. Maintain a steady flow of confusion and the truth will never be understood or known until it has become a historical point in time. That too will be “adjusted” to that which is considered “fitting”.

    • Warrior

      If you study “marxism” as a ute, it just gives one a better all round perspective of the world in which we live. Yea, Right!

      • Sirian

        Lord have we a mass of “ute’s” out there, don’t we? Universities are very proficient at turning out scores of them. It simply irritates the hell out of me Warrior that all of Bob’s points are true and backed by fact yet the useful idiots will never change.

  • Doc Sarvis

    YYAAAWWWWNNNN.

    • http://naver samurai

      Yep. That’s what we all do when it comes to any one of your posts. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        That sounds like some Afrcian language, perhaps you may be of the ZULU tribe. If you are a US citizen you must go to Home land security to verify that you are real.
        Tell them all this talk about the brithier issue is a load of Garbage. Have a nice day.

      • http://naver samurai

        Ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights. If you don’t think where Obama bin Laden was born and not being a natural born citizen, a requirement in the Constitution, are important, then you are not an American or a good one. Also, stop trying to sell your book on this site. Shows you are only here for your book and not the betterment of this country. Probably didn’t even have the nads to serve, like I did. Especially, since some things you have posted about our founders are wrong. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • joseph foster

        I believe you miss read my statement here is what I said about Obama the predominant of the evidence is pointing out that he was born in Kenya. The only way the issue can be resolved is for the matter to be determined by a Federal court that will have the power to subpoena witnesses and documents pertaining to the recording of his birth, hospital records, Doctors or nurses present when he was born an extensive search for the truth that will go all the way to Kenya. As to my book it has nothing to do with the Birthier issue. I condemn both political parties for their failure. My attack is on the new economic system that favors the hiring of Chinese and not Americans, and the destruction of the middle class. I am a Reagan type republican. One of the theme of my book is ‘Stand up for America’’ Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    The SOB is still a fake.

    • dwayne

      Your absolutely right Sean, he is the biggest imposter this country will ever see

    • Jibbs

      I agree 100%
      A short hemp rope and a tall oak tree is all we need.

  • GiveMeLiberty

    Wow Mr. Livingston, now that’s how you start a brand new day….hard and fast right out of the chute! What powerful and compelling commentary. This issue continues to amaze me. The mere fact he ever got on the ballot in 08 amazes me. How we allowed a gangster to obtain power at that level amazes me.

    Now, here we are trying to right a wrong like we always do as a just people and we are trashed aside like loons. Even the rhinos avoid the issue for political reasons. The common citizen would already be in jail for purgery.

    REPLACE THE ESTABLISHMENT!

    Thanks for some spark this morning and have a great day and great weekend. Prayers of many thanks this weekend to all those who paid the ulitimate price for what used to be a free country. God Bless the USSA!

  • Michael J.

    The eligibility issue has become bigger than one man‘s lies. Too many heads would roll should the culprit be brought to justice. A fix will not come from the top down.

    Subsequently, these nano-pinheads have set a precedent that will likely destroy us if not addressed. For some of the co-signers /co-defendants, the act was intentional, for others it was incompetence and for others still it was for fear of retribution, yet all share a degree of culpability.

    The end result for America and Americans is a complete unknown seated in the most powerful position in the world, steadfastly engaged in changing the hopes and dreams of the majority of it’s citizenry in a manner inconsistent with their wishes. Even more troubling is the fact that this foreign born, foreign allegiance usurper is in possession of our nations most vital national security secrets and is actively enabling enemy infiltrators entrance to the highest levels of
    government, covertly remolding principles and policies from the inside out.

    A silent coup perpetrated by opposing forces? Prudence dictates the handling of the situation as such. A reality not lost to those conscientious constitutionalist in a position to fix things. A burr under the saddle of the righteous majority will ultimately be resolved.

    One if by land… Two if by DC…

    • JimH

      “Two if by DC” If it didn’t hit so close to the mark, it would be funny.
      I did get a chuckle anyway. Clever.

    • MAP

      Astute observations, Michael. We are in deep, deep trouble! And the lunatic liberal dreamers are cheering it on, which shows where their loyalties(?) lie – certainly not with the country , its institutions, or its citizens.

    • Intellibronc

      Well said Michael, how so many millions have adapted to breathing sand is beyond reason.

    • Susanna in CA

      Bang on, Michael. Too many are too deep into this to come clean. Whatever fears in addressing this are out there, doing nothing has to be worse.

    • Brad J.

      I couldn’t have said it better myself. Even The Muslim Brotherhood announced recently that their plan to take down America was to do it from within, using our own laws against us. You are correct in stating that many heads would roll from the top down if the truth were exposed to the American people. And they are not going to let that happen. Anyone who comes remotely close to exposing the truth successfully is going to be preyed upon by the liberal elite vultures and dealt with severely. Even threatened, I’m sure. Look how fast Booker changed his tune. You know he was paid a visit by some lethal henchmen. That is the way this new government works. They remind me of a bunch of Chicago mafia thugs. “Do as we say, or suffer the consequences.” Where is Elliot Ness when you need him?

  • revnowwhilewecan

    If he kept even 10% of the promised “change” that he won election on, I wouldn’t care if he were born on Neptune. The establishment had a hardy laugh we they got him in office on which was probably nothing more than an inside joke gone viral at a late night Bilderburg cocktail/Lucifer worshiping/child sacrificing party. #treasonous #Orwellian #NWO

    • cawmun cents

      HAW!-CC.

    • TIME

      Dear Rev,
      Oh but the “OMEN” has done well over 10% of his change so he kept his word, its just a total BUSH revisit so its hard for many to see the change.
      Afterall the “OMEN” Was told to us and yet there was no real choice, so when the people vote for the lesser of TWO Evils time after time we get what we asked for, “PURE EVIL”.

      We just keep looking the wrong way when we all should be looking at the FLAT TIRE that happened way back in the1860′s.
      So saddly we are doomed to repete the same old worn out dance steps just one more time.

      Peace and Love,

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        Unfortunately you are believing the lies in the liberal media. He has increased our deficit to $15 trillion, which is more than ALL presidents combined since George Washington. Plus all of our allies are becoming our enemies, turned his back on Israel, & is paying all the revolutionists to create havoc in the Middle East with TAXPAYER money, & now has even appointed an ‘assassination’ czar. Plus has signed an agreement with the UN that will take away our guns, & then Agenda 21 will take away our rights to everything we hold dear, our homes, our children, & anything else we own that someone else might need. You won’t even be allowed to live in areas where they don’t want you to live. Good luck! And, George Bush did NOT lie & take us into a fake war. CONGRESS had the SAME intelligence info the he had, & THEY agreed we needed to take Saddam out. They voted almost unanimously for it, even Ms. Witch, Pelosi, so stop blaming Bush! Obama was not responsible for the mess that he took over, but he has made it worse, not better. When he was sworn in, gas was $1.86 a gallon, & now it’s $3.60 a gallon or more in some areas. Plus unemployment has DOUBLED since his TARP plan was enacted. So tell me HOW good a job he has done! I don’t know ANYONE that is better off now than they were 4 years ago, other than those on welfare, or other government handouts. And, I do NOT consider Social Security a handout, except to those who didn’t work & pay in to it. Wake up, & check out the facts & see what’s true. Most of this current problem started back when Carter was president.

      • TIME

        Dear Sharon,

        Please forgive me but your post is rather confusing to me, as in what mass media am I even noting? As far as I can see, none. Why? I don’t waste my TIME with mass media as its 100% totaly controled. Not by Liberals but by a group of Criminals who control the world at large.

        As for the rest of your post, again I am not really sure where your going, any intel not acquired in person as in you have seen the event first hand, and or have some knoledge of it from someone whom you trust then its not worth the energy to repeat it.

        But bI thank you for your input and here are a few sights you may wish to explore for intel thats valid to a high degree.

        For any global issues with weather etc.
        Solarham.com

        For intel on whats going on in the world this sight is one of the best, the people who post for it are in most cases very smart.
        redicecreations.com

        For info on whats happeneing here in the 50 states and world wide – this sight has some flaws but for the most part are 90% Plus valid.
        Prisonplanet.com

        For intel thats {way out of the box) but the guy has many very valid points, but please again you will need to check anything posted to be 100% sure of its value.
        wellaware1.com

        This sight is also very good when, Mr. Bob Livingston post his observations as he is 98% on target with his post.

        I also would refer you to watch the following youtube feeds before you can’t anylonger.

        Season of Treason 1 – 3 this is the American Flat Tire factor, to understand this fact of TRUTH is to gain insight to whats wrong and why.

        All of William Billy Foust youtube feeds to gain even deeper insight to all of what you wil find in the above feeds. Keep in mind Billy was shot for what he was doing.

        Then to aid you on understaning even more of this puzzel this next feed will drive home much of what you will learn in the above feeds; John Taylor Gatto the ultimate history lesson.

        To add to all of these this quick read will get you started on your intel quest,
        How can a country exist in two completely differan forms

        By the TIME your done with just these you will see many differant sides to all the why’s when’s, where’s, who’s and how’s.

        Peace and Love

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear TIME,

        You write: “This sight is also very good when, Mr. Bob Livingston post his observations as he is 98% on target with his post.” Just 98%?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

    • http://gravatar.com/afc999 afc999

      rev et al…this is really THE key point of this whole discussion, and I’ll borrow words from our brother, GiveMeLiberty:

      “The mere fact he ever got on the ballot in 08 amazes me. How we allowed a gangster to obtain power at that level amazes me.”

      This truly is what should enrage us and engage our thots and efforts and email writing to “our” reps and to our fellow citizens on these boards and throughout the country and world. How the HELL_o did this p*nk (you can add the “u” or “i”…?or both…as you choose) gangsta from wherever he is, whoever his dad actually is, become the POTUS?? Because the whole frackin thing is rigged…that’s how!!

      We are living in the Matrix…our votes really don’t count as they can become anything TPTB want them to become. In just the way Ron Paul, the only true Republican running, has been screwed by the head honchos of the RepublicRats (who are no better than the mafioso leaders of the DemopliCons…in practice both have been working for the full institution of the fascist/socialist welfare/warfare police state) in the primaries simply by changing the numbers or losing them or whatever needed to be done, so elections can be now. (But don’t count RP out…he knew and knows the game was rigged against him and for the newly anointed of TPTB Romney, and he and his team figured out how to work in the rigged delegate system…just watch and see.)

      We can lambast the Obamation all we want, but that doesn’t stop those who literally PUT him into the Prezidance as Chief Puppet and pull his strings. THOSE are the ones that need to be exposed and stopped. Otherwise, it won’t matter who sits in the chief Marionette seat…he won’t belong to or care about US…WeThePeople…jt

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        He should never have been allowed on the ballot for senator in Illinois, much less to run for president. And, you are so right about his minions not admitting they were wrong, but the Republicans are too afraid to try to impeach him, because they ‘might’ start a race war. Unfortunately, Obama has already started that, plus a class war. Also, than you for your service to this country. I know with men & women like you on the side of patriotism & freedom, this nation ain’t going down without a fight!

      • Patriot

        Let’s not let a little thing like the Constitution or the IL Constitution get in the way, rules are for suckers and losers. Have you ever wondered why many of these political crooks never go to jail! Just look at how Rham became mayor of Chicago, one of the rules was, you have to live in the state as least 1 year prior to the election. He moved and lived in DC as the Chief of Staff to Obama, rented his house to someone else and yet was able to clear that little hurtle with no problem. Our whole system is a crock of —-!

      • Kate8

        Sharon – Those in Congress on both sides of the aisle couldn’t care less about starting a race war. In fact, they’re playing for it…

        No, it’s not about that. Racial conflict is not a reason to set aside the Constitution, even if it was.

        Those weasels are interested in only one thing: themselves. They go along with the club, trying to play all sides against the middle, pandering to the biggest voting blocs.

  • DaveH

    Oh boy, the Liberals are going to hit the fan on this one.

    • revnowwhilewecan

      They’ll blame Bush even tho there has been no difference in political agendas for the POTUS since JFK. Any minor difference in policy was purposely placed to perpetuate the illusion of “change”. #wallstreet #followthemoney #federalreserve

      • cawmun cents

        Careful there revnowwhilewecan,
        Dropping the B-bomb first is a posting faux pas.
        You’ve taken away one of the only arguments a progressive liberal has now.
        Quick someone mention racism,and we have effectively killed half of any argument they will post!
        B-bomb=25%of any liberal argument concerning Obama.
        Race Card=40%of any liberal argument concerning Obama.
        Effectively,65%of any argument they can post has been vetoed.
        Now as posted in another article here,we learn that they have taken the word”lunatic”out of the language of the Federal gubment.
        That takes away the other 35% of any other argument they have,considering that is the charge they will levy against anyone whi dares question Obama regarding any subject.
        Now 100% of any progressive liberal argument has been taken away.
        If they cant use the word lunatic,blame Bush,or drop a race card,then they really cant produce any logical argument to this post.
        Looking forward to not hearing a thing from any of them.
        But first let me say this to all you progressive liberals out there.
        Try THINkING (before) you speak.
        Now I am certain there will be silence from the left.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • eddie47d

        The State of Arizona is officially over the birther question and those State officials have deemed Obama a legitimate citizen as reported 3 days ago. Joe Arpaio will continue his vendetta because the Feds have him in their sights so that is nothing more than tit for tat. No one wants to be the loser so those who insist he is not a citizen will ratchet up their fury.

      • FreedomFighter

        Eddie,

        At best it shows our Kenyan born imposter a total liar, flim-flam man. He is either a Liar about being birth qualified to be president or spent half his life cheating the system calling himself a Kenyan…

        either way Obama is a liar, cheat and thief and unqualified to be leader of America

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Allan

        The problem Obama has with his location of birth (either lying now or lying in his past) reminds me of the story of the liberal Sunday school teacher explaining to her class of 4-6 year olds how Isreal’s crossing of the red sea was not a miracle, in that it was “really just the reed sea which was very shallow”, hence easy to cross to which one bright youngster responded “Praise God for the miracle”. In exasperation the teacher asked him what he meant?, to which he reponded “Why for drowning all of pharoah’s army in only a couple feet of water!

        The truth will set your free!

      • Kate8

        Here ya go, eddie. This one’s for you.

        Enjoy.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/story/2181/429/Obamas_World_Has_Collapsed_Today..html

      • Karolyn

        So, Kate, what does that article by “The King of Shambhala” have to do with anything eddie said?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – You mean Geir Smith?

        Specifically, nothing. It’s for you, too, and any other blind Obama supporter.

        It’s a sentiment that many of us share, and something we see coming.

        Stay tuned.

      • http://naver samurai

        Really Ed and Karolyn? I see the 5th column is out in full force today.

        http://www.kleinonline.wnd.com/2012/05/19/look-who-else-confused-about-obamas-birthplace-u-s-government-questioned-citizenship-when-president-was-5/

        It seems you 2 need to educated yourselves on this subject. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, sorry I’m late for this party…but…you go girl! :)

        This reminds me so much of the old gosple song “Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho”…

        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down (I said tum, they come tumblin’ down)
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down (They come tumblin’ down)
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down (Way down to the ground)
        Tum, tum, tumblin’ down

      • joseph foster

        Please pay special attention to my comments;
        Obama was elected by one word ‘CHANGE’ the people became excited by that word since they are fed up of the same failed policy that is destroying America and destroying the middle class. When he got elected they saw no change they then decided to take away his majority in the Senate and the congress. When they heard some comments from Paul about change big money and special interest group destroyed him. Special interest group wants Obama to win they supported Romney he does not stand a chance, Obama has begun to destroy him by a Video regarding the steel plant, where after extracting all the money he fired all of the employees and declared the company Bankrupt. When JFK was about to make major change in America he was assiniated
        I do not support Obama or Romney they are all the same.Take a look around the country and see the destruction of America our major Industrial cities have been reduced to poverty. My recent journey was by car from DFW to Florida on each night stop I never saw a Motel full high vacancy, because the people are scared to spend money on vacation, they no longer feel secure in their jobs. My friend lost his 100K job those high salary and now history; he is having a hard time finding a job at $35K. Met a guy in Mississippi he told me he was earning $80K lost his job because his salary is too high, he has been unemployed for over eight months. My book tells it all no news media will want me to open my mouth, because I will never stop talking. I was motivated to write my book because I was mad as hell.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • TIME

      Hi Dave,

      The “OMEN” has been shown to us, as well saddly the “OMEN” will complete his task as his masters have set forth for him to do.
      Saddly the only ones that still have not quite gotten this, are the totaly brain dead.

      Peace and Love

      • http://verizon.net budman

        Time: Can’t agree because I see cracks in support for Obama from the New World Order group (Soros and other wealthy elite) and as I predicted, the Democrats are beginning to push Hillary Clinton into the equation as they see this also.
        I think the electoral votes will come out in favor of the Republicans and since Obama is losing ground with voters, he will likely lose the popular vote as well.. The key states will be Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. I think he has already lost Florida (down nine points in the polls) and if they win Ohio or Pennsylvania, Obama is definitely gone.
        In response to Doug Rodrigues: Hawaii doesn’t have a long form birth certificate for Obama. An election official checked this during his campaign for the Presidency and discovered there was no record of his birth in Hawaii and now his records are sealed there. The official was told to butt out by his supervisor.This is understandable and how can they claim he was born there when he was registered as a Foreign Exchange Student in college?

    • Larry

      No reason for the liberals to be upset. It IS a little hard to grasp that with all the resources the gop can muster they still can’t get their ‘facts’ validated. There is no imaginable reason I would want a group of such incompetents in total charge.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Larry, first strap your ass in and buckel up. Second shut up and just sit there because come November you will have to bow to the Tea Party elects. 3rd go ahead and give all your 2nd Amendment rights to Billary so when Martial Law is called by your sore losing King you will be the first to crumble with no way to protect yourself from your blood sucking buddies. Good Luch Libturd!!

      • CJ

        I predict Larry will ignore these inconvenient facts:
        Obama’s father was never a US citizen.
        The Supreme Court has ruled that a “natural born citizen” must have parents that are US citizens.
        Therefore Obama is unqualified for the office of president, it does not even matter where he was born.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

        Please change your name , you are a insult to all larry,s . Its morons like
        you that have inabled this complete fraud.

      • carrobin

        Gee, I sure would accept a bunch of Kenyan “facts” and a Breitbart article to convince me that the president isn’t an American. If I were stupid.

      • http://naver samurai

        You are already walking down the road of stupid carrobin. Why don’t you look at this and have your obviously little lib mind awakened. The video takes about an hour, but it is very inative.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-born-kenya/

        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Sam Skousen

      Dave, they should hit the fan, but they will stick their head in the sand and ignore it, especially with main stream media compliance. In fact I think through the disparagement heaped on those doing this investigation, most law enforcment officials and politicians will ignore this too for fear of offending the typical American who believes what they are told. It would take a major campaign in non traditional media to impact American opion and get Congress to impeach and indict Obama and those involved in the cover-up. We had a Canadian serve as President in the past, who did what Obama has done to cover his origins and had the same passive support from Congrss and the press as Obama received.

      • DaveH

        Because the inclination of Leaders, no matter which party, is to stick together and feather their own nests at the expense of the rest of us. And that will continue until the heavily Propagandized Sheeple wake up and figure it out.

    • http://gravatar.com/madgorilla madgorilla

      Good! Maybe it will chop them all up into sushi.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

      The liberals will not even read this , they are incapable of reason. They believe
      what they want, the facts offend them. I do not waist my time trying to debate
      anything with these pathetic people.

      • Kate8

        Larry – You are so right. It’s almost comical how the liberals just cling to their mantras, regardless of the evidence piling up. Talk about blinders.

        They just aren’t interested in any stinkin’ facts.

      • JON

        Who cares what you & Kate-Ate think anyway. It can’t be a lot being you two are completely small minded. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
        GO OBAMA GO !!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
        FOUR MORE YEARS!!!

      • http://naver samurai

        Ahhhhh such word play to insult others and steal their rights, eh Jon (Kang)? How are you going to vote, since we both know you live outside the U.S. , never had the nads to serve, and are a communist in your radically leftward beliefs?

        http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Christie-Obama-preening-bysander/2012/05/12/id/4397397s=al&promo_code=EF88-1

        Look at this and be awakened to the truth. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Montana

      Sheriff Joe Arpaio (the least shortman in AZ) and Ken Bennett should either put up or shut-up (or is he Alfalfa from the Little Rascals).

      Its It is not incumbent upon you, the Birthers/Teabaggers to produce the facts that you believe, but can’t prove!

      Lets be clear none of these Birther dullards have taken there “Birther Documents of facts, more like lies” and won a case in the “U.S. Courts”, maybe in their simple minds (if they have any) but not in our “U.S. Courts”, so unless Birthers/ Teabaggers, whatever you want to be called, win a court case, we will continue to see as dullards, liars or racist or maybe all three. Deal with that baby!

      And enjoy voting for the Mitt, the first “Republican Anchor Baby”! Too Funny

      • Ken

        One things FO SHO! you AIN’T from MONTANA!

      • Sharon Jeanguenat

        And, you are a blind follower of satan. Whether he was born in Hawaii or not, he STILL is not legally able to be president, since his father wasn’t an American citizen. The Constitution forbids anyone NOT born to TWO American citizens is NOT legally a natural born citizen, & cannot be president. The evidence is there, just you liberals are too dumb to believe anything the main stream media doesn’t tell you to believe. Hope you ALL have a good time, when this nation is bankrupt, & Muslims are running things. No more ‘free’ ANYTHING, no more homosexuals allowed, same sex marriage won’t even be up for discussion, (the Koran tells them they must KILL homosexuals), no more women’s lib, they’ll have to wear burqas or be beheaded, no more abortions, etc. Of course, you may enjoy being a slave. Also, with the UN agenda 21, you will no longer be allowed to ‘own’ anything, not your home, not a vehicle, not even the food in your house will be yours. The UN will have the right to tell you where you can & can’t live, & if it’s on land that was claimed by Native Americans, you can bet you will be moving somewhere else, even to a FEMA interment camp. Good luck, & don’t go crying to conservatives about it either. And, you won’t be able to blame Bush! And, one more thing, the Supreme Court also said that to be a natural born citizen, BOTH parents have to be American citizens. Obama’s father was a Kenyan & a British citizen.

      • http://personalliberty.com Montana Tim

        Montana, please stop posting as you make all Montanas look like Moron’s! I don’t know anyone from Montana that would agree with your sorry post! Yes I am Montana born and breed and damned proud of it

      • David

        That is because the courts refuse to hear the case. It has been brought to the courts by multiple parties, and they refuse to look at it. If they did actually look at it, it might put it to rest.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Larry

        The courts are a part of the cover up. All three branchs of the Us Gov are
        nothing more than puppet slaves for the wealthy they do as they are told.
        I personally give up for I know the powers that be will never admit they
        (placed) an illigitimate candidate in office. America has been scammed, I
        I also dont waist my time arguing with these hopeless brain dead liberals.

      • Jibbs

        It’s so easy for the Indoctrinator’s to brainwash the kid’s or people who don’t think for themselves, way too easy!
        Just watch this short 24 min. video!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK8VJApGJzo&feature=related

      • JUKEBOX

        Part of the truth is in black and white on the phony birth certificate. His father is listed as “AFRICAN-AMERICAN”, whichis a term that was first used in 1978, so this document was prepared after that date.

      • revnowwhilewecan

        Liberal response to factual article….ad-hominems……..My shocked face 0-o

      • Karolyn

        Jukebox – That’s not true. See how things get started? On the certificate his father is listed as “African.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/jrgunter92 Jack Gunter Sr.

        People keep saying it takes both parents to have citizenship to be considered natural-born, however the courts, including the SCOTUS, have ruled many times that this is not the case. Read this and try to be civil:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

      • http://naver samurai

        Wrong Jack! Just look up Minor vs. Happersett 1875. In it is clearly stated that both parents must be citizens of the country the child is born in to be natural born. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Chuck conly

        The Obamacrats have blocked any attempt to get his false birth into court, Why, if they are so sure he is legit? I guess for the same reason they have destroyed and blocked all of his records they could find. How about: ” Where there is smoke, there is fire” ?

    • dg

      To everyone out there..it appears a lot of confusion surrounds the issue of birth or parents. Look since 1871 there has not been a real election of a President of The United States of America. There has been elections for the President of The United States (the corporation) See the difference? So the issue will never come before the Supreme Court. Even if it did they would not hear it because it does not deal with the “Organic” real Constitution. Many years of a lie does not change the face of the lie. Those that win write history.

      We would need to close DC and start a new government. That would put 4-8 million people out of work. Do you think they will go without a fight? Even the military pay would stop if they did not fight for the DC group and overseas banks.

      Welcome to Orwell’s 1984

      • Micha

        DG- You should join the yahoo group Redemption By Method. Lots of like-minded people there. Great comment…

      • joseph foster

        I disagree as to the date, I would say perhaps since 1970 perhaps. I want the people to think that the concept of Government by the people for the people no longer exist, today it is a Government by special interest for special interest. The masses of the people are duped by propaganda. My book tells it all.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • Ken

      Hey! Where’s MOE and CURLY?! NYUCK,NYUCK,NYUCK, NYUCK, NYUCK!!!!

    • RobinM

      It does not matter “WHERE” he was born, his Father was never a citizen of the United States of America. Thus he is NOT a “natural born citizen” and cannot be the President by law. I still say he must be indicted on charges of “crimes against the Constitution” ,as well as forgery and fraud.
      Once convicted, he can be properly dealt with. Weather it is life in prison, or the death penalty. I prefer the latter.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jrgunter92 Jack Gunter Sr.

        Try to make sure you know of which you speak before you continue with erroneous and divisive remarks ;-)

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

      • http://naver samurai

        Look up Minor vs. Happersett 1875 Jack. Need to quit giving false information. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Speak2Truth

      What REALLY makes the “liberals” crazy is any mention of the LAW that the US Congress wrote to define Natural Born Citizen. They erase it from the Wikipedia page on that subject every time it is posted, usually within minutes. With good reason. Obama cannot legally qualify.

      Just two years after the Constitution was ratified, the US Congress spelled out the legal conditions under which they would recognize someone as a Natural Born Citizen, specifically that person MUST be born to parents who are US Citizens.

      Why did the Founders want to exclude anyone born to foreigners? To prevent either parent from passing down foreign loyalties or ideology.

      The original law defining Natural Born Citizen status read as follows:

      “And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens” – Naturalization Act 1790

      “May” be born beyond sea only indicates possibility and includes those not born beyond sea. This was later modified to exclude those born outside US Jurisdiction by

      “and the children of citizens of the United States, born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States” – 3rd Congress, 2nd Session

      What remains is best summed up as:

      “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” – Representative John Bingham of Ohio, a principal framer of the Fourteenth Amendment

      This was most recently applied by the Democrat-controlled Senate in 2008 when confirming that candidate John McCain was legally a Natural Born Citizen and therefore eligible for the Presidency:

      “Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.” – Senate Resolution 511

      1) Born to US Citizens? Yes

      2) Born under US Jurisdiction? Yes. The Panama Canal Zone was under US Sovereignty until the Torrijos-Carter treaty of 1977 handed it back to Panama.

      The Democrat-controlled Senate KNEW that Barack Obama cannot pass the legal requirements. His Father was a British Subject, so he fails the first of the criteria. That is why the DNC provided him with lawyers to fight off anyone trying to legally establish his eligibility, an effort that began with a Democrat attorney named Philip Berg long before the 2008 election.

      Obama dangles those apparently fraudulent birth document images on the web to keep the battle focused on the place of his birth – and away from his birth to a British Subject.

      He cannot possibly meet the legal requirement for office even if he was born in Hawaii.

      THIS IS A COUP!

    • dufas magnet

      Forget the libs! .. Forget the disclaimers and the accusations!.. If Livingston is correct in his assumptions (and let’s face it, for or against, most use exaggerations to get their point across) then by al intents and purposes this should be placed into the judicial system, after all the (expletive deleted) hit the fan when one person found out that Clinton got a white house head job then it escalated all the way to perjury.. These particular accusations over-shadows that incident by hundreds of percents yet our representatives keep their head up their butts in hopes it goes away. Lies or truths?.. THAT’S the point here, not vindictiveness.. Not a secular incident brought up by haters of Obama.. I’m for Obama but I’m more for truth and the law that enforces truth.. If I can go to jail for smoking a joint (because it’s the law right or wrong) then if it’s against the law for a citizen who wasn’t born in this country to become president I want to know AND see them leave if that truth is found. By Livingston’s statements, there are several physical witnesses saying he is NOT a natural born citizen.. Make them swear in court to that effect and if their lying make them known to the entire country that their liars then slap a perjury charge on them.. but if they are telling the truth and there is proof to back it up then I see no obstacle that would prevent the immediate impeachment of Obama. But this back and forth, this hate mongering is only dividing the country and doing nothing to gather the truth.. Bring it out in the open, make the courts earn their pay.. Get the supreme court involved if need be and if our representatives are afraid or refuse to do their duty, then oust every single one of them when their day comes. I just don’t know how much plainer I put the point across.

      • joseph foster

        You make some valid argument; I sense the term American cannot be used exclusively for US citizen, since it is the name of the continent and as such all the inhabitants of North and South America are Americans, just like all of the inhabitants of all of the European countries are Europeans the name of the continent.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

        the issue has some racial overtones. Tell them the first President of the USA George Washington was not born in the USA at birth he was classified as a British citizen, he then after declaration of Independence classified himself as an American or as a USA citizen, moreover

    • Ron Christopher

      OK, I’m a racist. I want Allen West to be the president.

    • Mark Rybeck

      Who cares about the birth certificate. I want to see the DEATH certificate!

      • J.Bettis

        100000000000000 Thumbs up for that post.

      • Steve

        I agree 1000% death certiafic and his head on a plater

      • http://yahoo marla

        I want to see the death certificate also!! muchmuch more than the birth cert.

    • nc

      DAVEh, you don’t understand how we liberals think! We’re not angry! We say with all of that birther stuff flying around and he STILL made the Oval Office proves we have backed one SMART DUDE!! Where is the Mr. Mises representative? In the White House? I don’t think so!! Where is the truest conservative you know? In the White House??? I don’t think so!! Way to go, Big O!!! Allah be praised!!!

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts larry

        They have taken over the house , next will be the senate, and the presidency
        if the election is legitimate. Praise be to GOD!

      • http://naver samurai

        “Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

        Ronald Reagan

        This describes NC (no cajones) and every other member of the 5th column on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        P.S. You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • LCalhoun

      Let me say this….. I have to be making $250,000.00 yr. to be a good Republican. No I don’t believe in SAME SEX/GAY MARRAGE, or ABORTIONS. But I know a LIER when I see ONE. Is (((PRESIDENT))) OBAMA perfect,,,, No. But he is the BETTER CHOICE for the country. He has done more in 3yrs then what any other President could do. The (REPTILES/republican’s) AkA-Snakes put up lies. You & anyone else will see the FACT from the LIES. The (reptiles)/Racists ALL WHITE PARTY. If this party is for GOD… Where is all the other Blacks/Brown/Red/Yellow-People at? If you look at all the other (Polls) The President is leading over Mitt? Sooooo, if you making [[[ Less then $250,000.00 yr. Why are you a REP. and if you are making more then $250K. Why are you not PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE OF THE TAXES ]]]. This needs to stop… We all come from somwhere, Some was taken from their COUNTRY by FORCE, other’s wher killed and CHACE OUT OF MEXICO Ooooop’s Texas, NewMexico, Nevada, California, Utah,ect… What about the job [ Creator's ] most our RICH form Slave LABOR. This country have’s BLOOD on its HANDS. Hay take your time. You can’t stop the (Brown-Flood) this was from a RACISIES-WHITE-REPTILE/repbulicans. So make sure this PAGE have all it’s INFOMATION RIGHT. YES you will have more PEOPLE of color in office running for OFFICES. I hope it’s another person who understands my needs & love Christ, Trust in the TRUTH, and want to give ALL-Americans a fair SHARE in making MONEY. Please keep this from my e-mail. DEMOCRAT’s may not be all that perfict, but I’ll take the better hand of the STICK. I pray you get it right…… YOUR TIME IS ALMOST UP. (((((P.S.))))) President KING [ OBAMA ] will WIN again. You want to know why????? Mitt & your PARTY keep making him LOOK GOOD. Thank you sooooooo much. Real people now the TRUTH.

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