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Why It Doesn’t Pay To Cooperate With Police

May 21, 2012 by  

Why It Doesn’t Pay To Cooperate With Police
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Keep your car free from clutter and conceal everything that you want to keep private.

Police officers are trained manipulators. They take classes to learn how to read people’s body language and how to ask open-ended and innocent-sounding questions in order to surreptitiously obtain information they can use against you.

They also have a knowledge of the laws that you don’t possess — and laws differ from State to State, and even from one jurisdiction in a State to another. Police have also been known to invent “laws,” place “evidence” that can be linked to you and twist your words into meaning something you did not intend.

For that reason you should never consent to a police search of your vehicle and never volunteer information when being questioned. Of course, not consenting doesn’t mean you won’t be subjected to an unConstitutional and illegal search, as Nancy Genovese learned.

But two recent cases drive home the point of why it doesn’t pay to cooperate with police: that of Army Lt. Augustine Kim and that of Diane Avera.

Before being deployed to Afghanistan, Kim left his gun collection with his parents in New Jersey. In the summer of 2010, Kim was back in the United States after being injured in a vehicle crash in Afghanistan. He had a medical appointment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center and decided to work a trip from his South Carolina home to his parent’s New Jersey home around the medical center appointment.

He loaded his guns plus some spare parts in the trunk of his Honda Civic and headed to his medical appointment. He got lost in downtown Washington, D.C., and was pulled over by police. The officer said his license had been suspended, but Kim said he was not aware that it had been. It turns out the suspension was a clerical error caused by the State of North Carolina incorrectly reporting to South Carolina that Kim had failed to pay for a ticket.

But because of the erroneous suspension, the D.C. officer called for backup and told Kim he’d have to go to the police station. Then the officer asked if he could search his vehicle. Kim consented because he knew his guns were properly locked in a case, which complied with Federal firearms transportation laws. Kim was handcuffed and made to sit on the curb. He was then booked on four counts of carrying outside the home. Officers told him that he was in violation of registration laws because he admitted to having stopped at Walter Reed. In D.C., having a weapon outside the home is illegal.

In Demopolis, Ala., Avera answered a police officer’s question honestly. It landed her in jail for 40 days — including 17 hours strapped in a restraint chair — and a conviction on a drug charge that carries a sentence of one year in jail and seven years of probation.

Avera had recently taken up the hobby of scuba diving. Her dive instructor had advised her to take pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) to help her equalize pressure on her eardrums and to help her with other sinus issues she experienced while diving. This is a common practice among divers; and Avera had, under advice from her physician, taken pseudoephedrine many times before to treat allergies.

But just weeks before Avera was arrested, a new State ordinance went into effect in her home State of Mississippi that made pseudoephedrine a prescription drug. So Avera drove to Alabama to buy some.

In the car with Avera were her adult son, his girlfriend and their three children. The son and girlfriend bought two boxes of Sudafed from a CVS. Avera bought another at Wal-Mart. As she pulled away from Wal-Mart, Demopolis Police Sgt. Tim Soronen pulled her over. (In Avera’s trial it was revealed the CVS pharmacist was a police informant who tipped off police about the Sudafed purchase.)

“What brings you to Demopolis?” Soronen asked.

“I came over to buy some Sudafed for our scuba diving trip this weekend, since we can’t buy it in Meridian anymore,” Avera replied.

Soronen asked Avera if she knew it was against the law to cross the State line to buy Sudafed. Avera said she did not. Soronen ordered her out of the car.

Using the threat of kidnapping Avera’s grandchildren and putting them into the hands of the State Department of Human Resources, Soronen extorted a confession from Avera that she was buying Sudafed to manufacture crystal methamphetamine. It did not help that her son — a habitual drug user who had been through rehab several times — had a bottle of methadone and a pouch containing drug paraphernalia that police found during a vehicle search.

She was convicted after the trial judge allowed the prosecutor to make entirely unsubstantiated claims. These included that Avera had confessed to having used crystal meth for two years — her former employer, a physician, insisted there was never any indication she was a drug user — and that she had somehow “diluted” drug tests that showed she had no meth in her system.

Avera’s conviction is being appealed, and she is free on a $20,000 bond. But Kim accepted a deal that allowed him to plead guilty of one misdemeanor charge of possessing an unregistered gun with the understanding the charges would be dismissed and his guns and gun parts — worth $10,000 — would be returned if he stayed out of trouble for nine months. Now the Metropolitan Police are refusing to release Kim’s guns.

“The mistake he made was agreeing to a search of his vehicle,” Kim’s attorney Richard Gardiner told The Washington Times. “If the police ask for consent to search, the answer is ‘no.’ If they ask, ‘why not?’ The answer is, ‘no.’”

For most people, encounters with police end with no more than a warning or a ticket. But you never know when you may say or do something that interests the officer enough that he or she wants to take a closer look at who you are and where you’ve been.

Privacy expert and lawyer Mark Nestmann writes in his book, The Lifeboat Strategy to never consent to a vehicle search. He reminds that you do not have to answer an officer’s questions if you are being detained.

From his book:

Say something like, “Officer, I know you want to do your job, but I can’t consent to a search.” A likely response will be, “Why not? What do you have to hide?” You are under no obligation to answer this question. Instead, say something like, “Officer, am I under arrest? If not, I would respectfully ask that you permit me to leave.” If there’s no response, then announce, “Officer, if you’re not detaining me, may I leave?” If the response is “yes,” say “thank you” and leave immediately. If the response is ambiguous, or if your question is answered by another question, repeat your question: “Am I being detained, or may I leave now?”

If the response is “no,” you’re being detained. Police may detain you or your vehicle for a brief time… If you’re detained, you’re under no obligation to answer any questions or consent to a search. You should point that out; but again, in a non-threatening way. One way is to make a joke; e.g., “My lawyer would kill me if I consented to a search without him being present.”… Specifically mention the word “lawyer.” This will end many requests for a search or to answer questions. If not, tell the officer that you want to call your lawyer… If you don’t have a lawyer… Just keep your mouth shut and don’t consent to a search.

Nestmann also recommends you keep your car free from clutter and conceal everything that you want to keep private. If an officer sees something suspicious out in the open, he can get around the need for consent or a warrant and claim probable cause.

Most people now break many laws during the course of their day that they don’t even know exist. The presumption of innocence no longer applies. Over the past several decades, police have become increasingly militarized and increasingly militant and abusive. For years, complaints about abusive police from members of the black community have fallen on deaf ears. Propaganda-induced ignorance will cause many to dismiss this issue still.

Some people are concerned there will come a time in the United States when the military will be brought to bear on the regular citizens in a time of riots or civil unrest. But it’s more likely we should fear the police, who are already showing a proclivity to attack and abuse citizens — including children — and are obviously preparing for civil unrest.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • R. Shelton

    Bob !!!! I am a very, very conservative person, and I volunteered for our local police dept for 12 years. Just want you to know a little background. When I was young, a policeman would say halt, and if you didn’t halt he would shoot you in the back. It didn’t take six policeman to arrest some thug. With articles like this, no wonder they all resist arrest. I recommend that you request for a ride along several nights and see what your policeman has to put up with. He never knows the character of who he is meeting and whether his life is in danger or not. Isn’t it the Truth that he is after. I agree that there is occassionally an over zealous policeman, but they are rare and are usually weeded out.
    Our Justice Departments are becoming a farce. One can’t open their mounts or do anything without some lawyer wanting to get his name in the paper and wanting to sue. Hope this enlightens some of you liberals.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear R. Shelton,

      You write: “When I was young, a policeman would say halt, and if you didn’t halt he would shoot you in the back.” So you are advocating we return to a time when police officers shoot people in the back? Don’t worry, they do. Not always with firearms, but with results just as deadly: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2104228/Pictured-The-moment-handcuffed-suspect-20-left-brain-dead-Tasered-trying-escape-police.html

      Understand, this was not written in a vacuum. I have observed and written about police activity for many years.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • nc

        Bob, do you ever write about the milions of good things officers do every year? I worked with police officers for 35 years and I must say I have known as many rogue “preachers of the gospel” as rogue cops! Just because we don’t like “uncomfortable” situations does not make them wrong!!
        How do we get the ‘WRONG DOERS” from the streets to prisons unless we give someone the authority to ‘INVESTIGATE so we don’t send anymore innocent to prison than humanly possible?

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “How do we get the ‘WRONG DOERS” from the streets to prisons unless we give someone the authority to ‘INVESTIGATE so we don’t send anymore innocent to prison than humanly possible?”

        By following the Constitution and getting a court ordered search warrent, wire tap, etc. Not by allowing the rogue officers to run roughshod over our rights.

      • DaveH

        Allowing cops to become more dangerous, than the criminals they are supposed to protect us from, is not the answer to our crime problems, NC.

    • jeepman1

      ” I agree that there is occassionally an over zealous policeman,” Well, that’s the point, isn’t it? While the assumption is that most police are good and well intentioned, are you wiling to assume that the officer who has stopped you falls into the majority?

      Blame it on pervasive cynicism, but we all know that there are a few bad apples in the barrel. I always check before biting in…I think it only prudent to never assume the apple or the officer are good for me.

    • Steve E

      R. I glad you never told a deaf man to “Halt”. Poor guy would be dead.

    • DaveH

      Don’t call yourself Conservative, R. Shelton. You are just another type of criminal who hides his blood-lust behind a facade of authority. You are just one of the Society of Criminals who can rationalize his bad behavior:
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

  • Will

    my mother use to always say, “never be in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong thing.”… being of clear conscience, it probably never occurred to her to tell me never speak to a police officer… however, in my experience the constitution has been run over by a mac truck that is the congress of our united states… every politician since the early 18 hundred’s has abused our rights… lawyers have gotten a rich on this… Remember, the constitution and the bill of rights are your only source of protection… guard them well!
    VOTE FOR RON PAUL 2012!!

  • Jeanette Rost

    “Judge” has become a bad word at our house ever since a judge allowed the assessment of a $200,000 – $300,000 per year business to stand at $150 so that a good friend of mine could be ruined in her divorce. All of the “officers of the court” allowed it to stand, too – so “attorney” is a bad word, too … not that attorneys didn’t already have a pretty bad name.

    • DaveH

      Don’t expect justice from the Justice System, Jeanette. They are just part of the self-serving Big Government Gang who are there to help themselves to our money, NOT to support Justice. I avoid them like the plague, even if it means giving up a little money to unscrupulous people (like my Sociopathic brother).

  • Ben Dover

    Also, If asked to get out of the car make sure the windows are up and LOCK THE DOORS. That way the [so-called] “public servant” would have to GET A WARRANT or fight you for your keys.

    • R. Shelton

      If you are innocent, why would you care whether a policeman inspected your car. I have heard of very little difficulty when one cooperates with the police.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        If you are innocent, what gives a policeman the right to inspected your car?

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear R. Shelton,

        That’s exactly what Lt. Kim thought.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • UncleFred

        You find very little difficulty for those that cooperate with the Police? I hope you still believe that as you are being led to an internment camp because you didn’t follow the current unconstitutional rule or law, or because the police(man) just felt he needed to exercise his power for that particular day. Additionally, refusing an illegal search, and exercising your constitutional rights should not be classed as being non-cooperative.

      • Steve E

        R. “would you care whether a policeman inspected your car.” Because I just put some cocaine in your glove box without you knowing it. That’s why.

      • DaveH

        Do you not get it, R. Shelton? They are breaking the law, and when you have nothing to hide is exactly the right time to call them on that law-breaking. Every time we meekly comply with their illegal behavior, we are inviting them to do more of it, and more often. Apathetic people are the enablers of Hitler-like societies. People like you, Shelton, are a threat to our Freedom.

    • Traci

      yes lock car immediately! if you dont its called assumed permission!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/jpacord John Acord

    When approached by a law enforcement agent or anyone yo suspect of being one there are FOUR MAGIC WORDS you must remember. They are, “I have nothing to say.” If they persist the only other utterance from your mouth should be, “I want my (a) lawyer present, now.” We live in a police state. The cops may be our friends and neighbors, but when confronted by one you must remember they are not there to serve your best interests and it is best for you as well as them to end the questioning quickly.

    • R. Shelton

      You sound like a lawyer. LOL

    • Jimmy The Greek

      You must be a fan of Tom M . me to !

  • http://Yahoo Dirty Harry

    Robert Smith is to whom, I was referring in my Post! It didn’t come up right behind his,a million pardon’s!

  • http://Yahoo Dirty Harry

    Bob Bob Bob! Whew! Nevermind!

  • Phil F

    Most cops I know are good people and honest but I will never agree to a search of my vehicle and I have nothing to hide. This is not as of yet Nazi Germany, and cops have no right to search my car without a warrant.

  • herbdoc

    how many people know that it is against the law to resist an ILLEGAL arrest????

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      Only in some states, herbdoc.

  • bob

    I can relate to the article above. The deck is stacked against you and you will loose every time unfortunately. If you fight it you will or could loose more as in my case. I was 18 years old now 40 was arrested for Disorderly Conduct. I understand that most people would say that’s nothing, but at 18 your first arrest its everything and scary. I was asked if they could search my car and I said “Do you have a warrant”? knowing I didn’t have anything to hide as I was poor, starving student ROMIN NOODLES EVERY NIGHT. I was placed in handcuffs they searched my car and when they found nothing the officer snidely said now you are going to jail for nothing. They promised me a phone call witch didn’t happen you get what they give you. No phone call cost me my first job, with out that job my car was then repossessed and then forced to move back in with my parents. It was embarrassing and humiliating. It was an experience I will never forget all the days of my life. The funny thing is when you are a child at least for me all I wanted to be was a police officer growing up respected everyone of them, after that I have spent my life being suspicious of all police and do not trust one. None of them think about the damage they do to the kids. The stupid Disorderly Conduct still comes up and bugs employers.

  • Big Woody

    Has there been any progress in fighting the New York “Stop and Frisk” program that has been going on for the last few months.? Who was responsible for it becoming such a widespread policy? these people need to be named and put front and center in the fight of protecting our rights.

    • Ben Gardner

      That was actually Giuliani with police chief Kelly that started it. Bloomberg with still police chief Kelly that have escalated its used and intensity.

      There has been no progress to date on moderating ythe “stop and frisk” which was declared unConstitutional by New York courts. nKelly has unilaterally decided to ignore the courts.

  • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

    Yes, the police hear so many lies that they dont dare believe anyone and treat everyone as liers and the enermy as indeed some criminals will kill the police in one second flat when pulled over, but the police dont know when that might happen, so everyone suffers. But look at this way…the police get the bad end of the stcick really because they work and live under continual stress all of the time whereas we are only under stress when we get pulled over or get searched.by them due to the high risk of having to employ expensive lawyers to defend us in a pretty vicious judical system..

    Your system is so obviously bad that i often try to persuade tourists to keep away from visiting some known police states in the USA. I hate to remind you but your very freedom to bear arms is one main reason why your police are so jumpy about dealing with the public. It is too late to turn the clock back in time but your stuck with it until you can find another way of administering justice.

    My friend and Author Michael Miroslav Cic who wrote the .Science Fiction/ Philosophy e-book Titled: DIALOGUE WITH KONDA: Universal Philosopher published by Zues Publications, Queensland 2001 ISBN 1 876882 530…suggested all police be sacked because they were all potentially corrupt or easily corruptable and encouraged criminality to justify their jobs and salaries…Michael suggested the use of Robots to keep the peace and dish out punishment because Robots could not be corrupted or suffer from the promblem most men suffer from i.e EGO, usually the biggest problem suffered by mankind in all fields including politicians behaviour in general…but i will not expand on that topic now..

    The Robot concept had merit and I can only assume that the robots he suggested to takeover from the Police would have to be rather sophisticated and highly developed equipment and I suggest much cheaper to operate. Well before you say..thats impossible just take a moment to consider how far the computer and the software applications have become over recent years since 2001 and consider how much of policing already relies on cameras, computer imaging and survaillance and then you might start to consider what Michael tried to suggest in 2001 was not out with the fairies.

    Michael claimed to have received serious threats about the content of his e-book in which he claimed that police, judges, doctors and the politicians should all be sacked and replaced by Robots as men with EGO needed and encouraged crime and wars to continue so as to justify their very existence. His statements in his science-fiction book upset many quarters and especially when he made many other forecasts about the potential attacks against the USA just prior to 9/11 he claims and had to withdraw the e-book from sale but not before the Australian Red Cross asked him to sell his copyright to that book which Michael refused. ..I first met Michael in 2011.

    His book of ideas for thinkers was a potential nightmare for leaders of all nations and warmongers because of the logical ideas it could have instilled into the readers minds…ideas not then considered patriotic and certainly treasonous as it potentially recommended treason if reading his ideas were carried out to their logical conclusions. . Now given that the e-book was a piece of science fiction should not have been such a big deal but yet the Red Cross was interested to want to buy it and others threatended the Author with dire consequences if he continued to offer the e-book for sale.

    Personally i almost dont belive that his e-book could have made much of a difference to society as we know it today as not many of the massess would have read it then given that every year there are millions of publications published and even more today with, many preferring to go and socialise on FaceBook, play games or other sporting persuits and have given up on trying to do anything to make our world a better society except in oppressed countries of the hungry and the needy tend to revolt from time to time.

    By the way I am offering a reward of $AU2000.till June 30th 2012 only to the first person in the USA who can find and send me just one of the original hard copy manuscrpts for the aboveforementioned e-book which were sent to a number of publishers prior to publication as the e-book in 2001.

    • Stuart Shepherd

      I think Gillysrooms from Australia has been taking too much sudafed!

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

        lol thats what the flat earth people said of the Gallileo

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Based on your posts, you must be one of the “flat-earther’s”!

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

        Stuart and Jay should realise that if you and your fellow Ammericans put your money where your writing skills indicate, the Chinese would not have a chance in hell at buying out your banks. Your acting like a greenie who does not want to own or buy land but wants to control other peoples land assets by telling farmers which trees to keep and what to do with it. We are having those wars in Australia Victoria actually under a supposed conservative free enterprise government.and I can tell you its going to be an all out war unless our lazy politicians dont strand up to these pink greenies.

        You probably cant see the stupidity of your silly argument by calling me Comrade when you know little about me except my debating posts in this Bob Livingstons Newsletter. If you buy gold you cant buy bank shares. If you wish to keep your banks under your control then put in your offer instead of letting the competing countries Rape you. Grin a bear it or do something about it and forget the name calling.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Gillysroom says: Stuart and Jay should realise that if you and your fellow Ammericans put your money where your writing skills indicate, the Chinese would not have a chance in hell at buying out your banks.

        Are you completely clueless, Mr. Gillysroom? How much money do you suggest, would be required from the American citizens to have any influence into how the Federal Reserve, (Owned by a Private and Foreign Banking Cartel) operates, or have any say, in their decisions? The Federal Reserve, is answerable to no one. Not answerable to Congress, much less, to the American citizens! You, Mr.Gillysroom, need to get a CLUE!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

      when a person has a ccw permit, the bmv gets notifed and when you get pulled over the officer in most cases are notified, you are supposed to place your hands on the steering wheel and right away inform the police officer you have a ccw permit and you are armed.
      do not remove your hands from the steering wheel unless told to and do not move your hand towards your weapon. the officer will advise you on what to do.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Fed Approves First Communist Chinese Takeover of U.S. Bank

    The increasingly controversial Federal Reserve offered a green light on Wednesday for banks controlled by the Communist Chinese dictatorship to gobble up American financial institutions and enter the U.S. banking market despite national security concerns, sparking warnings among critics about the rapid spread of the brutal regime’s influence within America.

    Analysts, meanwhile, called the unprecedented approval a “landmark step” for regulators that could have global implications.

    Under the U.S. central bank’s decision, the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), the largest bank in the Communist Party-run country with assets estimated at some $2.5 trillion, will be allowed to become a holding company and acquire the Bank of
    East Asia in New York. It marks the first time that a Communist Chinese bank — ICBC is more than 70 percent owned by the regime — has been permitted to take over an American bank.

    All 13 branches of the U.S. institution will be taken over.

    Continued:

    http://thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/11344-fed-approves-first-communist-chinese-takeover-of-us-bank

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

      Jay, surely free enterprise is open to anyone and a great opportunity to teach the other regimes how free enterprise works. You make it sound as some terrible act of infiltration instead of celebrating that the Chinese wish to engage in business in your failing economy. Its good to see that the Chinese have more confidence in your economy than mosty Americans. Your citizens will be free to conduct or not conduct business with their new banking enterprise…give them a chance wont you?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        You did note that (ICBC), is a Communist Chinese bank — and is more than 70 percent owned by the regime, did you not?

    • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS from Australia

      Who owned the Bank of East Asia in New York prior to the takeover? and why did they sell? that will be a more interesting series of questions and answers ?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Why? Is it because meandering along that fruitless path will keep the focus off of the fact that an American bank (and more to follow, i’m sure) will now be owned by the Communist regime? Precisely your intention; isn’t it, comrade?

      • Jimmy The Greek

        The Chinese cant be any worse that the zionist that run the banks now !

  • Pete0097

    I consented to a “search” 1 time by a cop. He did a donut in a persons front yard to apprehend me. He said I had earphones in use in the car and that was illegal (back in the 90′s before handsfree phones) I allowed him to search with his hands behind his back and he could only put his head in the window. THe car was clean. After he appologized for his misteake, I politely told him to appologize to my neighbor whose yard he vandllized. He said that was city property and he could do as he wanted. I again politely asked him to appologize and he said he would arrest me for disorderly conduct if I continued. After getting his name, I apolgized for him. THe neighbor was furious and called the city. He got nowhere.

  • BrianDTexan

    FYI, in most jurisdictions all they have to do is call the game warden who does not need a warrant to search your car or any other personal belonging, or even your property. Also, if you are on any navigable waterway, the Coast Guard does not need a warrant. These were not the original intents of the Founders, but the Founders also said that if this society was to exist, it must be made up of Moral Men, and with the liberals doing everything in their power to undermine the establishment of morality in favor of “whatever makes you feel good” we’ve lost that. Maybe it is time for a benevolent dictator…who wants to elect me? I’m a nice guy!

    • OneGuess

      So. What part of Texas are you from and in now? I’m in the Red River Valley north of Dallas.

  • http://jeromeennis.wordpress.com jeromeennis

    This article is so true. There are so many damned laws, ordinances, regulations, etc. now on the books of every city, county, state and federal levels of government that now there are only 2 kinds of Americans: The Caught and The Un-Caught, while at the same time, we have millions of Illegal Alien Invaders in the country as well as a Corrupt Government that are totally Above The Law.

  • Tag

    Police have committed offenses in the black community? I wonder why, is it because BLACKS cause MOST of the criminal and other offenses so the cops are now programmed to expect it? They’ve earned what has happened – and if you think just the civil/state court system works this way you are in for a rude awakening because the federal court system is no better – you have just as many corrupt attorneys, trustees, JUDGES, then you do in any other court system – and, all states do have differenct statutes and laws, but some are the same and some are just similar – if you go to court thinking you are going to get justice you ARE WRONG – the one that WINS in court in this country is the one that is the best liar! Go to court fully loaded – a corrupt attorney is better than none at all – cops will twist you every which way – and if the cops act like they KNOW all of the laws – they don’t! The act like they do, but they don’t! They bluff you because what they DO know is probably more than Y OU know! Justice is a crap shoot in this country – and the best advice I can give anyone is: ;don’t trust or believe anything they tell you – check it out for yourselves! Most of the time they will be full of ‘it’.

    • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

      I might also add that there isn’t a court in this country that will uphold the Constitution as it is written. It is declared the supreme law of the land, but its authority has been long since usurped and supplanted by lesser laws that the courts grant a higher priority.

      • CJ

        Many courts decide constitutionality based on STATE Constitutions. The US Constitution may not apply as it gave authorization to the state in the matter. People tend to forget that, sometimes, state laws can constitutionaly prohibit actions that federal law can’t.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Texas Congressman Ron Paul emerged from the Minnesota state Republican Party convention in St. Cloud with a clean sweep, winning nearly all the national convention delegates available for his presidential campaign in addition to a party endorsement of the Paul-aligned U.S. Senate candidate Kurt Bills. According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Paul’s campaign organized at the precinct, congressional, and state levels to win the 13 delegates chosen May 19 at the state convention.

    One Paul-aligned prospective delegate graciously stepped aside — resulting in Paul garnering 12 of the 13 available slots — so local Congresswoman and former presidential candidate Michele Bachmann could attend the Tampa national convention as a delegate.

    Overall, including delegates won prior to the state convention, the Paul campaign has claimed 32 of the 40 national delegates selected in Minnesota, a state where Paul had handily lost the caucus to Rick Santorum.

    But winning over GOP presidential delegates is only part of Paul’s agenda. He intends to influence local political races, in addition to independents and Democrats. “There is a revolution in ideas going on,” Representative Paul told the audience to raucous applause in a May 18 evening speech, “and isn’t a narrow revolution. It isn’t just a conservative group in the Republican Party. It’s much, much bigger than this. I am convinced that we have good support in the Republican Party for liberty ideas. But I am convinced … for every vote we get in the Republican primaries that there are at least two votes who are independent or even Democrats who will look at these serious principles of limited government, personal liberty, less war and doing something with the Federal Reserve system.”

    While Paul’s presidential nomination by the GOP is not likely to happen, his movement has seen stunning successes in congressional primaries and nomination of state party leadership. “I was glad to see my son win,” Paul told the audience. “And I’d be glad to see Kurt Bills win.” Bills had received the endorsement of Congressman Ron Paul as well as the endorsement of Paul’s son, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. Minnesota State House Speaker Kurt Zellers had also thrown his political weight behind Bills.

    Rep. Bills’ endorsement by the Minnesota GOP convention had been expected, but not not his overwhelming victory against better-funded opponents. According to the Minnesota’s Bemidji Pioneer for May 19: “It wasn’t close among the 2,000 state convention delegates: Bills won with 64 percent of state party convention vote, well ahead of 21 percent for Dan Severson and 15 percent for Pete Hegseth.”

    Even establishment GOP officials applauded the Bills endorsement. “Congratulations to Kurt Bills on receiving the Republican endorsement to run for U.S. Senate,” Minnesota GOP Chairman Pat Shortridge and Deputy Chairwoman Kelly Fenton wrote in a press release after the endorsement. “Minnesota conservatives are united behind Kurt and are
    willing to work hard on his behalf to ensure we send someone to Washington who is willing to make the tough decisions necessary to getting our country back on track.”

    Continued:

    http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/11450-ron-paul-coup-in-minnesota-gop

  • Homer

    This is a fact: get ready for search and seizure of assets, (USSA) coming to this nation now! This nation will fall in line w/the rest of the world to put “YOU” in bondage to the New World Order” and to get this world ready for the “Anti-christ” Watch it and be ready!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Only if we let em, Homer!

  • Robert Smith

    From the article: “Privacy expert and lawyer Mark Nestmann writes in his book, The Lifeboat Strategy to never consent to a vehicle search. He reminds that you do not have to answer an officer’s questions if you are being detained.”

    And what if someone like Zimmerman with absolutely NO authority stops you while you are going about your daily business like walking home with some candy and a drink?

    Rob

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Robert Smith,

      As expected from you, a complete non sequitur.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Thor

        Agree with most of your article, Bob, with some reservations about how you characterize things. Once again, however, I would observe that you got this part wrong:

        ‘Some people are concerned there will come a time in the United States when the military will be brought to bear on the regular citizens in a time of riots or civil unrest. But it’s more likely we should fear the police, who are already showing a proclivity to attack and abuse citizens — including children — and are obviously preparing for civil unrest.’

        Although the anecdotal evidence seems to support your argument, the big numbers—those that establish the actual and empirical evidence—do not bear you out. There are some 20,000 civilians for every local law enforcement officer in the country. This one statistic alone in view of the fact that Americans own some 250 million weapons of their own, each of which is as lethal as anything the police have, sorta blows your argument. Local police always seem to come out on top when riots and unrest are ‘localized.’ In any organized resistance like the kind you seem to anticipate that exceeds the bounds and authority of local law enforcement which has neither the equipment nor the authority to deal with it.

        Perhaps you should review the Rand Corporation white paper documents I’ve sent you twice to see what the real scenario will be. Here’s an excerpt:

        ‘This project investigates the need for a U.S. Stability Police Force, the major capabilities it would need if created, where in the federal government it would best be headquartered, and how it should be staffed. In doing so, it considers options based in the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security, Justice, and State…. Study results show that both the military police/intelligence apparatus and the federal level police agencies have skills and jurisdictional responsibilities necessary to do the job but neither has all of them.’

        Within the document are crucial hints as to how and why ‘local law enforcement agencies will add a needed element to jurisdictional issues.’ The study clearly points out that if there is widespread resistance and unrest, only the military has the ‘boots on the ground to deal with it.’ There is no provisional exception on the continental US.

        Continuing to ramp up enmity against the local police is not only short-sighted, it is beating a horse that died long ago—strategically speaking.

      • DaveH

        There would be no riots, no instability, Thor, if Big Government wasn’t impoverishing our country and taking away our Freedom. They create the conditions, and then offer themselves as the solution to those problems they create.
        It’s hard for people not to be a little upset when Government people are impoverishing the country at the same time they are taking and spending over 40% of our GDP.

      • DaveH

        Read this book, Thor, and learn something about yourself:
        http://mises.org/books/leftright.pdf

      • Thor

        Nice to hear from you again, Dave. I do not disagree with what you say as to cause. If you would care to read more carefully you’d see that my point was not about cause; it is about response. Making the local cops out to be the bad guys is a flawed strategy. It is not now–nor will it be–the local cops who administer the hated oppression of the hoi poloi and the deprecation of rights of which you all speak. All though some are bound to participate, local agencies do not have the manpower, the will or the wherewithal to accomplish the will of state; they are, in fact, capable of only the most superficial participation in the grand plan of mass oppression. Geeze! Do the math.

    • Big Woody

      No authority? The homeowners association gave Zimmerman the authority. Just like in store security has authority on their premises and they do not have as many legal restrictions as the police. If you are questioned about your activities in somebody elses neighborhood by somebody that claims to be security of some sort, it is probably not a good idea to knock them to the ground and start hitting them. They may be armed and willing to use whatever force they deem neccessary. You do have the right to sue them if you do not like the outcome.

      • bscott

        your lack of comprehension of this situation is amazing

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        No he doesn’t, bscott! And btw, you’re a wiener.

    • ringgo1

      “Rob”,
      A little race-baiting? Again? We can all see you quite clearly. Have you no shame?

      • demsagainst obama

        Of course ‘race baiting’, circular arguments, insults, and lies are all rs has.

    • jim underwood

      let me get this straight. if you are walking down the street in the rain at 3 am in the morning and you think someone is following you, it is ok to beat them to death with your fists.

    • Steve E

      Robert
      “And what if someone like Zimmerman with absolutely NO authority stops you while you are going about your daily business like walking home with some candy and a drink?” I didn’t know of any fact that Zimmerman stopped Travon. Is there a link you can show me that he did? Thanks

    • jepp

      Well, for starters you don’t assault him and try to kill him by beating him and slamming his head into the pavement… That way he doesn’t have to kill you in self-defense…

  • http://httpaol.com sean murry

    just like storm troopers i havent been stopped for a long time maybe they think us old greezers arent worth it.

    • Big Woody

      I am 65 with grey hair that is turning white. I drive an old maxi-van with no windows and I get pulled over fairly often. Various reasons. #1, “I came too close to the curb” A county cop, female, could not talk without putting her hand on her gun. She was not happy when I refused a search and even more upset that all the drug sniffing dogs were off duty in our area. She asked her backup to lie to me and to tell me they would impound the van if I refused a search. He told her he would not lie. When she asked what I had in the van, I told her a copy of the Constitution with the 4th Amendment highlighted.(which I do). I took her picture with my phone and told her we are maintaining a website of police officers that abuse the Constitution. After 2 hours, I asked her to arrest me or let me go. I left. #2. Another county cop pulled me over because he ran my plate wrong. (no reason to run my plate, another issue) He asked to look inside, which the answer was no. They do not like vehicles they can not see inside. He did apologise and he left. #3, I was sitting in a grocery parking lot waiting for a friend. They wanted to know what I was doing and could they look in the van. When I refused a search they sat next to me until my friend came out with her groceries. So don’t let the grey hair fool you. They don’t like us either. I feel like I must be the last old white guy in the city. They all want to get a closer look.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        Big woody , you got that right ! I am sixty and ride a motorcycle and drive a red Mustang GT and get stopped a lot .

  • Sirian

    Good article Bob, very good!! Believe it or not the ACLU has come out with a set of instructions to counter such incidents – legally. Anyone can go to the ACLU website and find it – http://www.aclu.org . It comes under the title of “WHAT TO DO IF YOU’RE STOPPED BY POLICE, IMMIGRATION AGENTS OR THE FBI.” I know, the ACLU is by far not the best, very left wing 99% of the time, but in this case – quite the opposite. This set of instructions that can be printed out, folded up and carried in your wallet or purse may be very helpful in situations such as what Lt. Kim or Diane have been in. In the majority of cases that the ACLU have been meddling in, almost all of them usually, they paint a very bad light on themselves since they push for some of the most ridiculous things. But this is about the only exception to that rule that may be worthwhile to at least look at.

    • wandamurline

      And where is the ACLU at the airports where TSA can pull you for a line without probable cause, seize your belongings without a warrant, detain you without mirandizing and your right to legal counsel? Things that any criminal in America enjoys before being taken in for questioning. The ACLU is too busy filing suits against schools that allow prayer. I hope they fall off the cliff….as they are completely worthless….they have had their day…just like the unions, at one time they stood for something….now they stand for themselves and their agenda.

      • Sirian

        wandamurline,
        Oh I agree with you, they’re quite commonly nothing more than a true pain in the butt, literally!! Although, as I said, this just happens to be the only exception that is worth looking at.

      • nc

        Wandamurline, how long ago was it that the ACLU came to the defense of ULTRACONSERVATIVE Rush Limbaugh to protect HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN HIS DRUG CASES> That had nothing to with prayer in schools>I’m sure some of the ACLU lawyers did not care for Limbaugh’ politics BUT they cared GREATLY about his and YOUR Constitutional rights!
        Also when Sean Hannity was an unknown radio announcer and was fired for bashing gays on the air the ACLU came to his aid to protect his Constitutional right of Freedom of speech even though there were probably a lot of ACLU lawyers who did not agree with a word he uttered>THEY WERE, HOWEVER, VERY CONCERNED WITH HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS? CIVIL LIBERTIES, HENCE THEIR NAME!!
        lET’S NOT FORGET ANOTHER ULTRACONSERVATIVE OLLIE NORTH THAT VIOLATED ACTS OF CONGRESS AND ADMITTED IT AND LAUGHED AND JOKED ABOUT IT. THEY ALSO CAME TO HIS AID TO PROTECT HIS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AGAINST SELF IMCRIMINATION! PROBABLY, didn’t agree with what he did but cared GREATLY that his rights were not violated or taken from him!! YOU KNOW?? HIS CIVIL LIBERTIES!!

        They will do it again if they see the need!!! You have been drinking the right wing kool aid! The anti-ACLU flavor! Be care that you dont get Jamestowned!!

        BTW, THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT ALLOW PUBLIC PRAYERS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! THE FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THAT PROVISON SO WELL IT HAS LASTED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGAINST THE FORCES OF IGNORANCE!

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        So NC where has the ACLU been for the past 3.5 years as this POS POTUS has trampled all over the constitution???

      • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

        TO: NC SAYS, your still Brain Dead Muslim Communist, the manifesto that the ACLU goes by was written by a Communist and its goal is to take down the United States and what they did for those two people was to get people on their side nothing else. They need to go to another Planet along with YOU.

      • eddie47d

        Instead of attacking the ACLU Brad and Mr Nam 67 why don’t you line up the Conservative Lawyer groups and have them challange the injustices out there. Maybe Conservatives don’t really care about Civil Liberties as much as you think. I shouldn’t have to do the work for you but here are 4 lawyer associations supporting the right elements of our nation. National Lawyer Association;Liberty Legal Institute;Alliance Defense Fund;and American Judicial Alliance. What are they doing about illegal police actions or even the TSA? Literally nothing and the Alliance Defense Fund is actually taking away rights of Americans and keeping some citizens for having any rights at all.

      • bscott

        wandamurline…I’d rather have TSA protecting me than have you taking a gun on a plane to “protect” us.

      • demsagainst obama

        “BTW, THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT ALLOW PUBLIC PRAYERS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS!”

        Neither does it forbid it.

      • MNIce

        For the record, nc, it was not the ACLU that came to Ollie North’s defense when Congress wanted him to testify against himself regarding the Iran-Contra affair, it was his lawyer, Brendan Sullivan. One of the high points of the hearing was Sullivan’s response to the attempts of the Democrats’ counsel, Laurence Tribe, to browbeat Col North into admitting to an illegal act. Mr. Sullivan quoted several paragraphs concerning the paramount necessity of respecting the rights of citizens to refuse to say anything self-incriminatory, then concluded by asking Mr. Tribe, “Do you know who wrote that?”
        Tribe: “No, I don’t”
        Sullivan: “You did, sir. It’s in your Master’s thesis…”

        It didn’t take long after that for the committee to agree to give Col. North immunity in exchange for his testimony.

        Brendan Sullivan should have been appointed Attorney General.

      • Neil Swan

        The ACLU is for following the law. The people who don’t want to follow it are thugs gangsters and religious right. The religious right just want to form religious law that’s called sharia law in the middle east.

        Neil

      • DaveH

        NC says (in his usual ignorant shouting manner) — “BTW, THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT ALLOW PUBLIC PRAYERS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS! THE FOUNDING FATHERS WROTE THAT PROVISON SO WELL IT HAS LASTED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGAINST THE FORCES OF IGNORANCE!”.

        Show us where it says that in the Constitution, NC. I’ll make it easy for you:
        https://www.cato.org/constitution/constitution_en.html

      • DaveH

        BScott says — “wandamurline…I’d rather have TSA protecting me than have you taking a gun on a plane to “protect” us.”.
        Yeah Scott, like they protected those planeloads of passengers from the 9/11 attacks. First your kind make us helpless sheep who can’t even fight a small group of fanatics, then they offer themselves as the solution to the problems which they enabled in the first place.
        We should have Free Markets. Those cowards who wish to travel like helpless sheep and count on the “protection” of Big Government could do so on those airlines that offered such. And those of us who believe in protecting ourselves could travel on airlines that offer us that dignity. I believe that the vast majority of people are good, and that the bad guys would be greatly outnumbered by the armed good guys. But I can see how thieving Liberals might assume that everybody is as immoral as they are.

    • Void1972

      Sirian

      Believe me, anything the ACLU backs is pure anti-God, anti-American propaganda from the communist minded liberals and was created to end your liberties, not protect them!

      God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • Sirian

        Void1972,
        I understand where you’re coming from and agree, but still, give it a look. I promise, it won’t hurt to merely look at it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

        In other words, Void 1972, in supporting Rush Limbaugh’s right to free speech against gays and Ollie North’s refusal to incriminate himself, you are saying the ACLU is commie. That does not make sense. The ACLU is for defense of our Constitution. Aren’t you?
        All you who are worrying about commies, realize the only commies left are in Cuba, North Vietnam and North Korea. Even the Chinese are a combination of commie and free enterprise. Now, doesn’t that help your blood pressure?
        Unfortunately, for me, it doesn’t help because I am afraid of all of the attacks on the Constitution by the Patriot Act and NDAA 2012 where they want to have the power for the military to arrest us, and detain us indefinitely without a lawyer or a trial. I also disagree with Rand Corporation thinking we need the military here to arrest all those people with guns. What happened to posse comitatus that declares we do NOT need the military for domestic crowd control?
        Franklin Delano Roosevelt: “We have nothing to fear except fear itself.” Why? Because it is fear of terrorists, commies, Muslims, and our own shadows that is giving the government the go-ahead to turn us into a POLICE STATE. As Ben Franklin wrote: “He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither.”

      • nc

        Do you want more kool aid, Void???? Limbaugh, Hannity , North and other non- liberal Americans the ACLU has assisted in keeping their Constitutional rights might not share your view of an orgainization you obviously don’t understand!

      • Neil Swan

        It isn’t anti God it’s constitutional. The religious right are against separation of church and state.

        Neil

      • Void1972

        I rest my case! All of the left wing fanatics are backing the ACLU on this site. The true Americans know better!

      • DaveH

        Maynard says — “The ACLU is for defense of our Constitution. Aren’t you?”.
        Correction, the ACLU is for Selective defense of our Constitution. How else could you explain their support for forced busing of school children? How else could you explain their support for anti-christian Progressives? After all, the 1st Amendment does clearly state — “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”. Did you not note the “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” part, Maynard?
        More on the ACLU:
        http://mynameisjoecortina.wordpress.com/2008/10/01/the-aclu-trojan-horse-of-the-jew-or-what-every-american-needs-to-learn-about-the-legal-arm-of-the-communist-party/

    • Ben Gardner

      I have had a copy of that behind my ID for over a year. Most cops IU have dealt with during that time know the brochure on sight and get really pissed when they see you take it out. There are also direct references in the pamphlet to the Constitution and Bill of Rights citing exactly what sections are applicable. Everyone should carry this with them at all times and also have the poertinant parts memorized in the likely event that it will be confiscated by the npolice.

      • Ken

        What pamphlet Ben? The Constitution?

    • eddie47d

      Taking on TSA would be a big task and very expensive yet why don’t you ask yourself why ALEC doesn’t pick up on that issue. There are hundreds of Corporate lawyers and Conservative lawyers who get paid very well to push certain agendas. If they would for once put some effort into defending our Civil Liberties such as the TSA problem then maybe there would be some rational to your thinking.

      • bscott

        eddie47d…ALEC”s mission is to push corporate agendas only…follow the money…

    • Jimmy The Greek

      Thanks for the info Sirian !

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      nc, you’d better read the Constitution again. Nowhere does it forbid public prayer. In fact it guarantees just the opposite. It forbids the establishment of a national religion to which people are forced to participate. It guantees freedom of speech anywhere, anytime. The Constitution guarantees you “freedom OF religion” not “freedom FROM religion”. This country was dedicated to GOD at it’s founding. The further away from GOD that we move, the worse off this country gets. And if you can’t see that, you are blind.

      • nc

        Nancy, do you know of any public schools, state or federal, where government prepared Christian prayers are allowed to be read to students of other faiths? Privately praying has never been banned!!

        BTW, why the big push by Christians to PUBLICLY recite prayers? As I understand Jesus’s words in Matthew he ADMONISHED the people to go into their CLOSETS AND PRAY PRIVATELY and not flaunt their prayers or alms giving in public!! An act of sinful vanity!!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy isn’t saying, NC, that the Government gang obeys the Constitution. She is just saying that the Constitution doesn’t ban prayer in public schools.
        Perhaps you could show us where the Constitution does that? I’ve been an atheist since age 18, and people praying has never bothered me. Sticks and stones, you know.
        The truth is that prayer doesn’t hurt anybody, but since religious people stand against Theft, the Liberals feel a need to do everything they can to abolish religion and get that obstacle out of their way so they can help themselves to other peoples’ money at will.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        nc, don’t put words in my mouth. I spoke the truth and you try to distract from what I said. You made a comment that was untrue. I corrected you. The facts are the facts and you can’t claim that the constitution says what it doesn’t say just because marxists say so!

  • Neil

    I know one police officer that is a wonderful person. Just one.

    • Void1972

      Neil

      These are two instances that thank God are not the norm.

      I think Avera and her son were most likely (just from the information written) crystal meth producers and the officer made the correct call. These freaks know every excuse in the book on why and how to buy pseudoephedrine in quantity and if they weren’t pulled over after the first visit, they would have continued to dozens of stores to buy 3-4 at a time.
      Very severe problem here in America!

      The Marine should have never listened to his GPS around the Washington area because they always send you off 495 to Pennsylvania Ave and it’s a nightmare!
      If that officer didn’t call the guns in, and let him go, he would not be doing his job, and unfortunately sometimes good people get into bad situations. (Especially in the Washington area)

      I know hundreds of police officers in N.Y. and the great majority will be on your side when the SHTF!

      It’s unfortunate that there are “Bad” cops, but most of the bad are liberal minded ( mentally challenged) and sometimes liberals get into positions they shouldn’t be allowed in ( police, teachers, day care), and make everyone around them look incompetent or dishonest and mentally disturbed!

      Last week Bob had an article about a corrupt cop in Suffolk County, N.Y. and I know these things happen by letting liberals through the loop holes of the system.

      I know a couple of cops that would give their mother a ticket on mother’s day just because they consider it their “duty’, these are the mentally ill “liberal” ones.

      You can’t take just two examples from the tens of thousands of good cops and daily arrest in America to prove a point. It proves nothing!

      In the final battle, most police officers will be fighting side by side with you against the machine, give them thanks for that!

      God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • http://PersonalLiberty.com notassmartastherestofyou

        Wrong. They are the norm. This type of police behavior is rampant. I’ve engcountered some good cops, but they are the exception, not thye rule.

      • Jimmy The Greek

        When a cop lets you go it is because he most likely does the same thing . Like the cop that let go after he seen me and a other motorcycle drag race off a red light . He startrd asking what was done to my motor because i stomped the other bike into the dirt so bad , then he told me about his bike , the cop was about in his late 20s , [ he had me clocked at 105 mph in a 40 mph zone ]

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Excellent post Void!!! I think that a lot of people have NO idea of the mental stress that law enforcement agents have to deal with! They want to go home to their families just like the rest of us when their day is done!!! Sure nasatroy, there are lots of bad cops, if the things that we talk about on this site are true, they’ve been stackin’ the deck as far as employment goes for a long time now! That’s why you see all these gestapo type thugs!!! But I used to seriously think about them in the same way as you, until I had an ex-girlfriend who claimed that I did something that I didn’t do and caused me a TON of headaches! As William Shakespeare so eloquently put it, “Hell hath no fury…”, LOL!!! He didn’t have a clue! But the officers who knew she was lyin’ really kinda took me in and supported me! A lot of them have been the victim’s of the abuse of the new domestic violence laws on the books! There’s your prime example of giulty until proven innocent!!! And ya’d better have a fat bank account to prove that innocense, a lawyer wanted $500 from me up front, just to discuss the case!!! They (The domestic violence people.) will help a woman FABRICATE a story in order to establish a case. Once they’ve got you in the system, it’s ALL revolving doors! Designed specifically to shear you of your money!!! PLAIN and SIMPLE! To their credit, I must say though, they’ll lock up a woman just as fast as a man on the same charges! They don’t care as long as the docket is full!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Oh yeah, JTG, you’re FULL of sh!T!!!

      • Bob A.

        Spoken like a true cop.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000182806261 Larry

      there are lots of wonderful police officers and they would take a bullet to save you from harm even death by putting him/her self in line of danger. sure, you have the bad but the good out weighs the bad and for myself, i’ll put my life in the hands of the police officers and that goes for firemen too.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Thank you Larry! Case in point, 9/11!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW8puRqE4Sc

      • DaveH

        Sure Larry, whatever you say. I grew up so stiff (law-abiding) that most of my high school fellows would have nothing to do with me. I was no fun. But I’ve had many more encounters with bad cops than I’ve had with bad criminals. And I can fight back with the criminals. I don’t dare do that with the biggest gang in the land. I’ll take my chances with the bad guys any day. And I’ll bet this guy would too, if he was still alive to make those choices:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZukhszVWl4

      • Paula

        Finally a level head. My husband was a police officer for 30 years and spent much more time teaching when he did a traffic stop then he ever did writing tickets. I might add when you got stopped by him you deserved it, his tolerance for speeding was 13 above the limit and that was in town. He also spent years in grade schools telling children that people did not have the right to touch them. He was shot at and attached by vicious dogs. He put his life on the line every single day. He cared about his community and it was better off because of him. I am very proud of my husband and his service to this country. I am not saying there are not some bad police officer, but there are far more good ones. Most of you should ask yourselves where would we be without them. If you hate police officers it probably has something to do with the kind of life you are leading.

      • JOSEPH FOSTER

        Paula I agree wth your comments. i was stopped thre times in the DFW are by a police officee, I showed them respect and they inturn were respectful they do a fine ob and we need their protection, In every walks of life there are good people and bad people that does not apply to the police only. By Joseph Foster

      • DaveH

        Paula says — “I am not saying there are not some bad police officer, but there are far more good ones. Most of you should ask yourselves where would we be without them. If you hate police officers it probably has something to do with the kind of life you are leading”.
        So Paula doesn’t want us to dis police officers because she believes most are good, but then she assumes that most of us who disapprove of their actions are not good people. Funny how prejudice is okay for one group of people, but not the other.

    • James Hay

      Such Cops Are Very Rare And Far Between

      • T

        In response to Larry, where have you been? Cops will not lay down there lives for you. Soldiers will. Did you not see columbine? They stayed outside where it was safe listening to the shots that were killing children…Get a clue.

      • DaveH

        Then I must just be one unlucky guy, James, because 3 out of four cops I’ve known personally were bullies and chronic liars.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      I know several Neil, and they SEE the SAME things the rest of us see! This battle is going on in ALL walks and factions of life in general! I KEEP TRYIN’ TO TELL Y’ALL, JESUS IS COMIN’!!! Things are only going to get PROGRESSIVELY worse and start happening MORE frequently as THE DAY approaches!!! Just like BIRTH PANGS! Read Jeremiah ch. 30!!! Satan is furious, he knows his day is just about here! HALLELUJAH!!!

  • Gary

    So, America has entered the “gestapo” stage under Obama and the Liberals……..

    • Casey

      Please don’t think that only liberals abuse the Constitution. The Patriot Act was enacted under George Bush. Our rights are under attack form both parties.

      • CJ

        The party of the sitting president is not always the same as the controlling party of congress… where the laws originate and are passed. Clinton made improvements under Republican controlled House and Bush II had failures passed under the Democratic controlled House and Senate. You can’t blame it all on the President.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Your probably right Casey, But Obama had a chance to get rid of the Act and only acted to increase that law with more resstraints on the US citizens.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        The Un-patriot act was first passed under Bush but it could not have passed without lots of help from the democrats. While the Republicans had a majority in congress it was NOT a filibuster proof majority so the democrats could have easily blocked the bill if they so desired. Obama had two years with total control of congress in which he could have gotten the un-partiot act repealed or modified but made no attempt to do so and in fact he renewed and strengthened parts of it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Collectivism! Who are the collectivists?!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dON5D6Wkprw

      • Donald York

        Good point, and true.

      • DaveH

        Bush is a Liberal, Casey. There are Liberals in both parties.

      • DaveH

        Buster,
        Much of the Patriot Act was due to expire in 2009. So a Congressional vote wasn’t needed to end those provisions:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PATRIOT_Act

      • DaveH

        Above all, people need to awaken to the fact that Government is just a gargantuan self-serving gang who merely lie about their real intentions in order to pacify the people who they are feeding off of. Once you realize that, everything else they do becomes very clear.
        To get a head start on the awakening, please read this Free book:
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • Crystal

        That is why your loalty should ly with The Constiution of the United States, for it protects your freedoms and liberties. Your loyalties should not ly with Republucan or Democrate!!! None of these politicians give a damn about any if us! If they did we would not be in this situation as a nation. Because We the People have chosen to be part of a “group” we have forgotten our own, individual unalienable GOD given rights! So now we have a government giving us our rights, I don’t know about you but I don’t think that is working out to well for us!!!!!

      • Crystal

        Brad there is a reason why both political parties do the same thing. There is a group of elite , the true people who run this country. Just look up New World Order and you will see the bigger picture. Franklin Roosevelt said it best ” Presidents are selected, not elected.” and trust me he isn’t implying that God chooses our Presidents! He is letting all of us know that there is a bigger force out there. They were warning us years ago! Can we now take heed to the warnings!!!

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “Much of the Patriot Act was due to expire in 2009.”

        DaveH, While I didn’t specify a year I acknowledged that when I said obama and his democrat controlled congress renewed and strengthened parts of the act.

    • FadedFreedom

      I don’t care for the Kenyan or democrats either, but to be fair, the Bushes started much of this and mcconell, Boehner, Lindsey Graham and McCain have NOT done anything to preserve our diminishing freedom either.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        We’ve been goin’ down this path for almost 100 yrs. now!!! Accelerating with the assassination of JFK and continuing to acelerate with this administration shiftin’ it into WARP DRIVE!!! Make sure your seat belt in on, ‘CAUSE IT’S GETTIN’ READY TO GET ROUGH!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj3AECSKmhU

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        OK, but Obama has had several chances to do away with a lot of those laws. Instead of doing so, he made them harsher. Obama has been more like George W. than George W. was. Obama is just such a blatant liar it’s sickening.

    • Jimmy The Greek

      I am 60 years old and this crap has been going on when i was a teenager in Elizabeth N J , It has just gotten worse in the last 30 years , FYI i have lived in Texas since 1976 .

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Ya see Brad! There’s more than one twit in Texas!!!

    • gene

      gestapo was nazi germany’s name for homeland security. we are about to go into the third reich

    • Michael

      No, the Brown Shirts (cops) have been like this for at least a decade. They truly feel they are above the law and like the Dims, they know what is best. Never, ever trust any cop.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Because the police, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, here in the Land of the Brave and Home of the Free, have become corrupt!!! It’s a WORLDWIDE epidemic!

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        I knew our police were ruined when they were allowed to keep the money and property of “drug dealers”. Once cops can make a profit from arresting people, the number of arrests will skyrocket, just like they did. Now most of police are ex-military and still receive military-style training. They are no longer police, but a domestic army to be used on civilians. They are kind of like the Moscow Militia during the good ol’ Soviet days.

    • http://www.vaticanassassins.org Randy

      They done it under “W” Bush too.

    • seanoamericano

      -Wasnt the patriot hijack penned by that flunky biden? People need to understand their is no difference between democraps and repukelikans In the words of R Lee they are nothing more than -amphibian sh%^ they are not even human beings–they are all equally worthless-flunky beuracrats that consume resources and produce nothing of value. As far as police why do yo all think that the average American has to dummy up to pass the civil servants test. Cant allow anybody-that may be able to think for themselves and see thru the good guy:only fellow dim witted thugs/ baaaad guy: everybody that isnt a dimm witted thug game. There are a few that take their oath seriously and protect the public and bring honor to the job however the vast majority fall in the first catagory. the job of the police is to punish codebreakers enhance revenue for their masters and protect said masters interests. It seems every day there is another violent attack on by a gang of these brave men and women who were in fear for their safety by a handcuffed person sitting or laying face down. They needed to be repeatedly tasered and clubbed because the perp didnt follow the different com,mands in a timely manner and there fore brought it on them selves. Now its a crime to film them because that would present an alternative view of the official story. I was brought up to respect the law, and police now years later I dont see any that deserve it. The exception is Sherrif Mack and now Arpio because he is taking on The fraud in the whitehouse. GO JOE

  • http://firefox wog1

    In other words we are all guilty until proven innocent. I thought it was the other way around. Guilty until proven innocent is the Communist way.

    • Combat seabee

      It’s also the British way!

      • http://ccopakeman.wordpress.com copakeman

        it is also the Internal Revevenue Service standard operating proceedure.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Last time I checked we were still in America, Not England. The other way is most likely the UN controlled way. Is this what Odrama is trying to impose on us every since he has become the Imposter we have as President?

      • eddie47d

        Obama doesn’t operate the local police forces when it comes to traffic stops. Talk to your local departments and find out what their policies are and take them on from there. Insist they respect your civil liberties and to abide by the laws themselves.

      • ROSINA

        That is untrue.
        The British way is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY, the system that was brought to this country and is part of the Constitution.
        The Napoleonic Code is the one where you have to prove your innocence which is still the way in most of the EU. And, unfortunately, unless the UK gets out it will then be theirs also.

      • Lazuli

        Louisiana’s state law is based on the Napoleonic Code and not English Common Law.

      • http://PersonalLiberty Tom Wiegand

        Good point Seabee. I have been telling folks for years that the Tory’s that were never made to leave after the revolution and after their failed attempts to recolonize us through war are systematically and subversively reacquiring the colonies they lost. I remind folks over and over again that Woodrow Wilson, FDR and his cousins the Bushes and their cousin Barry Soetoro are loyalists and not friends of the Republic.Just to name some that are or have been in the public eye. Not to exclude ,or excuse, the many that are beyond the public’s view. That they have had us fighting their King’s and Queen’s wars since 1917 and that the Federal Reserve is an arm of the Crown and that the Income Tax is actually a homage tax with none of the proceeds directed to anything but the interests of the Crown. I have been saying that the CIA trained by the Crowns Royal Service has been subverting the Constitution and laying the ground works for full repatriation of the Colonies and I have said recently the the foreign President and the action of Obama care has signaled the the completion of the deed. We are none officially back in control of the crow. Next thing you’ll see is on of Charles son’s being made President of the United States. After Barry Soetoro’s fraudulent presidency and our almost total judicial acceptance of the precedence principal of law, which can conveniently circumvent the Constitutional principals of common law and the jury system, there is nothing stopping that from happening save another revolution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        And they’ve been moving this way for years Bob! Look at your SWAT teams, how do you define para-military?! A lot of your police uniforms now resemble fatigues more than they do police uniforms. Look at the urban assault vihicles purchased over the last couple of decades in your large cities!!! Outside of the “68″ and the LA riots following the Rodney King beating, I’ve never seen an incident that would require that kinda equipment happen in the US! I guess the “better to be prepared” motto could apply here. Look at what that dyke b!tch Reno did at Waco! Yes Koresh was a nut, but there wre 23 innocent children in that compound, they were surronded and not going anywhere, but this bulldyke had to flex her DOJ (Hey ya think this could be considered a pattern?!) muscle and Blitzkrieg the place! Or how about Ruby Ridge, they shot that poor guy as he was standin’ there with his baby in his arms!!! http://reason.com/archives/1993/10/01/ambush-at-ruby-ridge/singlepage. The only thing that we got going for us at this point in time is that there are many FINE men and women who serve us as law enforcement personnel, and thanks to organizations like “Oath Keepers” are being educated as to the promise that they swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC!!! The same goes for our military, why do you think the Obama administration was so keen on a civilian strike force or whatever in the hell he called it?!! They know that their window of opportunity is closin’ FAST!!! They’ve had some MAJOR set-backs here recently, i.e. the Trans Texas Corridor, and I don’t think that they’re going to go down without a fight Bob! We need to be vigilant and ON OUR TOES!!! These are some sick puppies that we’re talkin’ about! The inventors of propaganda and eugenics, Adolf Hitler took lessons from these sickos!!! Facism is ALIVE and WELL right here in the good ole’ USofA!

      • http://www.facebook.com/katherine.oboyle.3 Katherine O’Boyle

        Well you know we are all Socialists now…unless we elect some others that still believe in government by the people. The problem is that so many good Democrats don’t realize what their party has become. And they listen to MSNBC which fires anyone for having a difference of opinion.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000254545986 Lee Carlson

        It’s also that way in most family courts. They have their own rules and if a social worker makes an accusation against you, it is your task to disprove the accusation. Of course that is, you are allowed to try.

    • http://www.facebook.com/martha.benton.3 Martha Benton

      I probably will be handcuffed and hauled off to jail for having ‘anti-Obama’ stickers on my car. If I am, they are going to have one irate old lady to deal with and I will take it all the way to the Supreme Court.

      • Mary

        Same here, Martha

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        YOU GO GIRLS! KICKIN’ AND SCREAMIN’ ALL THE WAY!!!

      • Joan

        I’m with you, Martha. I have anti-Obama and anti-Obamacare stickers on my car. I’m 74 yrs old and more feisty now than when I was a youngster so they’d have a real fight on their hands. Ever see an old lady cold-cock a guy?

      • JOSEPH FOSTER

        I will never allow a sticker on my car advertising any politicians. If you need to expose yourself to some violence then you may do so. As to Obama remember he is loved by 99% of black Americans for the first time in their history after suffering from discrimination they have finally got a black man elected as President. You may one day be stopped by a black police officer the guy has the Law and a gun on his side. For your safety remove the stickers, unless you want to be a dead hero, the cemetery is full of Heroes. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • http://facebook Alex Como Sr

      exactly America has been headed commie for some time with infiltration etc, it is time for Americans to say enough and re establish Justice in America an example see my profile and pics and ask yourself? Is that Justice?

    • http://www.malibukim.com Malibu Kim

      Everyone should watch the documentary THRIVE with Forest Gamble (of the Gamble family of Proctor & Gamble) who shows what/who is behind “all” the destructive forces going on to enslave our world. This man who was groomed to be one of those to support the elitists agenda, decided there is a better way of being – and so produced this amazing documentary that spells it all out. THRIVE is on YouTube – please view it and pass it around to everyone you know to protect them. Knowledge of the elitist’s agenda is power to The People – they don’t like being cast into the light – it disrupts their plans – big time! This documentary is a must-see!!!

      • restorefreedom

        It’s a great documentary and cops are out of control these days. Not looking good for freedom and liberty that we’re trying to spread over the world. haha

    • PGHYinzer33

      You haven’t noticed? Your always GUILTY first, if you look close enough, you can see it in their eyes!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      No wog1, we are guilty until we provide enough MONEY (The ALMIGHTY dollar!!!) to prove our innocense!!! Preach it fellas!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

      • bpante

        You got that right. It is not a matter of how fast you were going. It is a matter of how fast can you write a check.

    • Jack

      Right you are, This has been a socialist country rver since the last election. that being said please keep in mind that not all police are corrupt. There are more that take their oath seriously than not. Another thing thay will be our only defence when the fed’s try to take total control, which is closer than you think

      • Michael

        The US started down the road to socialism with Woodrow Wilson, greatly accelerated under the Great American Destroyers, FDR and LBJ. Of late, no matter who is in the White House, the pace has not slacked off much.

    • Donald York

      A pocket size copy of the US constitution is cheaply available, and it still means something if followed to the letter. You can take online study courses at Hillsdale college, usually free of charge.

      • uninformedLuddite

        You do realise that carrying a copy of the constitution and quoting it is a sign of being a domestic terrorist in the USA?

      • Alan Adams

        Also, if you have a Kindle, you can download a copy for free from Amazon…lots of other good free stuff there, too.

      • DaveH
      • nc

        Donald, What does following the Constitution “to the letter” mean? Whose “letter”? Ever been in a law library and seen the number of volumes of Supreme Court decisions it has taKen to decide what that “letter” is? Many, many cases and STILL going on!!! Some cases by conservative controlled courts, some decisions by moderate and liberal controlled courts
        .Actually, the law is not necessarily what this court says it is but what the NEXT court says it is when the next case goes up on the same legal matter!.
        Example: “The right to counsel” in The Constitution. In the begining that simply meant in criminal cases you could hire your own COUNSEL for your trial. Later “right to counsel” (same words) was held to mean that you had to ALSO be ADVISED you had such a right, Later ” right to counsel” (same words) were held to really mean not only must you be advised to the right BUT ALSO BE TOLD that if you could not afford one that one would be supplied for you! IN the mean time it was also held that “right to counsel’ (Same words) also meant that you had a right to have counsel ,even court appointed counsel, at ALL IMPROTANT PROCEEDINGS of your criminal matter not just a trial, like interragations. During all that time officers and the Courts were operating on what the last Surpeme Court said what “Right to counsel” actually meant only to find out the NEXT Court said it meant something more or different!
        This may not be in exact order of decisions but it shows how even different Supreme Court Justices see the “letter of the Constitution” quite differently.
        So if ANYONE tells you they know exactly what the Constitution means “to the letter” ,LAUGH AT THEM AND WALK AWAY!

      • joseph foster

        I agree with your comments, the intepreations by Conservatives, and othes have desroyed the constituation. The flaw is the appointment of Judges that will reflect the regime point of view. Joseph Foster

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