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Arrested For Taking Pictures; Tortured For Being ‘A Teabagger’

May 16, 2012 by  

Arrested For Taking Pictures; Tortured For Being ‘A Teabagger’

Nancy Genovese was arrested in New York for taking pictures. She was imprisoned and tortured over several days to send a message to “Teabaggers.”

Genovese’s ordeal began when she noticed a helicopter on display in front of the Gabreski Airport in Suffolk County and decided to take a picture to post on her personal “Support Our Troops” Web page. In doing so, she parked across the street from the airport on a public road. She crossed the street to the airport entrance, another public road.

After taking a few pictures she crossed the street again and got into her car to drive away. As she did, Southampton Town Police Lt. Robert Iberger stopped her and demanded to know why she was taking photographs.

Iberger took her camera. Genovese got a hold of the camera and removed the memory card. Iberger confiscated it. Iberger then notified the Suffolk County Sherriff’s Office and airport authorities that he had a potential terrorist detained. Before long, officers from other local departments and agents from the FBI and Department of Homeland Security were on the scene.

Genovese’s car was searched without her consent. Officers found an unloaded rifle in a locked case in her trunk (she had been target shooting that morning, and it is perfectly legal to keep an unloaded rifle in the trunk of a car). For the next five or six hours, Genovese was interrogated, taunted, harangued, threatened, belittled, abused, humiliated and harassed by members of the Sheriff’s Office. During this time, officers noticed she was limping from an ankle injury she had received earlier in the day. Officers made her show them the injury, which was bleeding, then threatened to charge her for not reporting a knife wound. Deputy Robert Carlock repeatedly called her a “right winger” and a “teabagger,” and he threatened to charge her with terrorism to make an example of her for other “right wingers” and “teabaggers.”

Sometime around midnight, airport officials and Federal agents determined Genovese posed no terrorist or security threat and left. But Carlock ordered Genovese handcuffed. When Genovese’s children tried to get her purse, which contained a large amount of cash, deputies threatened them with arrest.

Genovese was then taken to a holding cell at the Sheriff’s Office. On the way there, Carlock continued to taunt Genovese, telling her she would pay and admitting they had nothing to charge her with, but that he would “find something in order to teach all right wingers and teabaggers a lesson.”

In the holding cell, she was interrogated without being Mirandized. Her requests for a lawyer were ignored. She was told she was being charged with terrorism.

She was finally taken to a nearby medical center for treatment of her leg wound. She was handcuffed to a bed. The treatment required her to disrobe, and male deputies insisted on watching the procedure. She was discharged with antibiotics and treatment instructions, and was then taken back to the cell. But deputies denied her access to the antibiotics, and she developed a staph infection.

The next morning, Genovese was questioned again by FBI, but not charged. She was transported to court, where she said she was not secured by a seatbelt in the back of the patrol car, but had her hands cuffed behind her back. On the trip to the courthouse, deputies drove recklessly, making repeated violent and sudden turns that caused her to be flung about the back seat. Deputies seemed to get a kick out of it.

She was again denied access to an attorney at the courthouse and for her arraignment. She was charged with one misdemeanor count of criminal trespass in the third degree. She was finally assigned a legal aid attorney by the judge. But Carlock and another deputy told the judge her car contained surveillance equipment (a point-and-shoot camera) and that they believed she was a terrorist, so her bail was set at $50,000.

Once back at the jail, the legal aid attorney spoke to Carlock and Undersheriff Joseph Caracappa. After the conversation, the legal aid attorney told Genovese he would not represent her and he was going to request she be put on a suicide watch. She was photographed, fingerprinted, eye scanned and issued prison “greens” to wear. She was interviewed by a woman in civilian clothes. During the interview, two men wearing jackets bearing the words “Suffolk County Emergency Response Team” entered the room. One of them led Genovese from the room and held her in the hall. She said she could hear the other man arguing with the woman, and she heard the woman say, “She is not suicidal.”

The two men then moved Genovese to another room. There, a woman who claimed to be a nurse gave Genovese two injections without Genovese’s consent. One of the men held her arm still while the other kept her head turned away so she could not see what was being done. She was forced to disrobe and made to wear a “suicide gown” that was a heavy, jacket-type blanket that fastens with Velcro. She was not permitted to wear undergarments under the suicide gown, and was made to wear it for three days. Finally, a psychiatrist interviewed her, determined she wasn’t suicidal and had her removed from suicide watch. Later that day, her bail was posted and she was released. The charges against her were dropped.

The Sheriff’s Office issued a press release in response to media inquiries. It called Genovese a terrorist and a right-wing extremist and falsely stated she had been taking pictures of the airport and surrounding security and that she had 500 rounds of ammunition and “scary weapons” in her car. It also falsely stated she had previously been removed from the airport for trespassing and had been warned to stay away.

Her camera memory card was not returned to her. More than $5,000 in cash was missing from her purse. The contents of her car’s glove box were removed.

Genovese has filed a $70 million lawsuit against the Town of Southampton, Suffolk County, Iberger, Caracappa, Carlock and other members of the Sheriff’s Office. The lawsuit is ongoing.

On May 1, Iberger retired from the Sheriff’s Office. He got a $215,483 payout, a full pension and lifetime medical benefits. It pays to be a government terrorist.

This case began more than a year ago. I’ll bet you haven’t heard about this on ABC News, CNN or Fox, et al., or read about it in The New York Times or any other newspaper of record. It doesn’t jibe with their agenda.

Iberger came out smelling like a rose. Genovese is still awaiting justice. This is the police state in which we now live.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Barry

    If this is all true as stated above, then why hasn’t Bob Livingston reported it to FOX? Aren’t they the most likely to carry such a story? Of course ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN & MSNBC aren’t going to carry this story – if they did, then it would look like they’re actually reporting TRUTH and that fairness to both sides in conflict in our nation would actually have a chance.

    This story should be re-sent in a single format where it is the only story told. In Bob’s email this morning, it seemed to almost get lost as it’s mixed in with other stories of far less importance (not that they’re THAT unimpirtant, but that THIS particular story should be right up there with the Trayvon Martin murder). This is HUGE – not sensational, but a huge matter of false allegations, false imprisonment, ignoring of rights, and outright LIES in order to cover the police-state criminals’ backsides!

    Additionally, in this day and time, it’s entirely conceivable that Ms Genovese’s life could have been lost – what if she’d been allergic to one of the ingredients injected into her arm? What if she’d resisted and was struck in such a way that her neck were broken? And what if the sexual perverts – the male deputies who insisted on watching her when she was forced to disrobe – had decided to violate her?

    Now, there’s just one point of concern that I’m asking Bob Livingston about and need a reply on: how and where did he get his information? It seems that if he’s close enough to someone “on the inside”, or perhaps a journalist who has spoken to Ms Genovese, that this story could be broken wide open. What is needed here is IMMEDIATE national attention! Isn’t it important enough to get it out in the open? Or are media & authority figures more concerned about their careers and/or repercussions than telling the TRUTH?
    Please! Won’t SOMEONE step up to the plate???

    • Robert Smith

      “What is needed here is IMMEDIATE national attention! Isn’t it important enough to get it out in the open?”

      Hmmmmm, kinda sounds like how Zimmerman came to public attention. A local story gets picked up by those with an agenda.

      Looks like the right is just as guilty as the left on that one.

      Rob

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Rob as always you are a libtard and full of BS

      • Meteorlady

        If that is true Robert – then why wasn’t the story of two whites and five blacks picked up. If you don’t know here’s the story – 5 blacks raped a man in front of his friend, cut of his penis and murdered him. They then took her and held her for 4 days while they gang raped her, poured toxins down her throat, cut off both her breasts and then murdered her. That’s a HATE CRIME of epic proportions yet did you see it even on FOX?

      • eddie47d

        Saw it on MSNBC and yes it was worse than dispicable.

      • AZMarc

        Yeah, except that in the Martin/Zimmerman case they were lying about the facts and there was physical evidence to show it…poor dumb democommies.

    • Karolyn

      Before expending all that energy on writing all you did, if you had investigated on your own or clicked on some of the links I provided to get further background info. It happened in 2009.

      • Barry

        It matters not WHEN it occured (nor did I mention anything related to a date) – what is important here is whether it happened in the detail submitted and that it should go national.

      • eddie47d

        I believe it was the fall of 2009.

  • Karolyn
  • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

    is Soffolk not the same place the reporters were mob beaten by the black teens and the town authorities tried to cover it up?

  • Fem

    We thought this only happens in Africa or Nigeria to be precise, we dont know it happens in those contries we called advanced. Sorry about that becuase it has been part of us and norms in Nigeria

    • Meteorlady

      This is what happens when we easily give up our rights. We get dictatorships and they get more and more controlling and mean spirited. I used to think if there was an uprising in this country, the enforcement people were one of us and would not turn on us, but I don’t believe that anymore…….sad.

    • eddie47d

      Welcome to the “Club”.

  • Joyce

    If you go to http://www.snopes.com and search, the article will come up and explain in detail the real facts

    • Barry

      Snopes does “seem” to be able to qualify or disqualify various information. However, snopes doesn’t have the final word on anything – c’mon, folks, don’t be so gullible so as to believe something just because “snopes says so”!

    • Meteorlady

      snopes is run by a man and wife team. There are other sources that I have checked some once I read the snopes version. Sometimes they agree and sometimes they don’t. When they don’t I look further. snopes is a little liberal but most of the time they do OK.

  • eddie47d

    Tragic and a misuse of police power indeed regardless whether there was any guilt or innocence. I do hope the authorities correct this matter and quickly although my bet is that they won’t. The other problem (not with Nancy Genovese) is this happens all the time withe OWS protesters yet I’ve seen Libertarians cheering the police on. Those interrogations and even police beatings happen to others also. When a citizen takes pictures of a policeman doing wrong or walloping someone the authorities quite often confiscate the camera and arrest that person. Those of you who think the police are always the good guys protecting the neighborhood need to think of all the incidences that have happened on the Liberal side or even to other ordinary citizens. Then go out and make the authorities take responsibility for their misbehaving whether against “teabaggers” or what may happen at the Republican or Democrat Conventions. .

    • Meteorlady

      So Eddie did you happen to catch the destruction on May 1 in Seattle – those were OWS people and they were violent. Last summer we visited there and went out to dinner in downtown Tacoma – we were accosted by OWS people that were squatting on the street corner of a private building. They were mean and somewhat scary. We left without getting to our destination just to get rid of them. When you are surrounded by 5 stinky people with posters and sticks, you retreat pretty fast.

      • eddie47d

        Seems like you become scared fairly easy Meteorlady. Would you wear a suit and tie to a protest where the police could hammer on you? When they are dragging you to the paddy wagon they don’t care how much your suit cost or that you can’t get the blood out. Thus the “street clothes”. Protesters learned their lesson back during the Civil Rights movement and the anti-war protests where the police didn’t distinguish who looked the sharpest . The police were equal opportunity clubbers!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear eddie47d,

      You write: “I’ve seen Libertarians cheering the police on.” And you know these were “Libertarians” how?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • eddie47d

        There are folks on this site who claim to be Libertarians yet have verbally “clubbed” OWS protesters on several occassions. (Thus cheering the police and their tactics on). If you watch the news you will see police tearing into protesters at other events also without provocation. There is bad behavior from both sides and it does depend on the event.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear eddie47d,

        You write: “There are folks on this site who claim to be Libertarians yet have verbally ‘clubbed’ OWS protesters on several occassions. (Thus cheering the police and their tactics on).” A baseless and typically mindless generalization. I don’t know why I bothered.

        You write: “If you watch the news you will see police tearing into protesters at other events also without provocation.” I have pointed this out. It is the police state in which we now live.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        You got that right! Police State 2012. Can’t wait for the goose-stepping parade, so Obama can show off his “Gestapo” to the masses…..

    • Buster the Anatolian

      ” When a citizen takes pictures of a policeman doing wrong or walloping someone the authorities quite often confiscate the camera and arrest that person.”

      And that kind of police action has been protested many times on this site by many different people.

  • James

    Just all the more reason to stay away from the Republic of New York. They all seem to want to be like the TSA, Bloomberg started it in NYC with the random pat downs and seizures, now it has migrated to Suffolk County. I will stay in the west where we are not harassed by government thugs, just sued by the Feds like Sheriff Joe out in Maricopa County. All the more reason to back the call for smaller government and more transparency. Thanks Bush and Obummer for militarizing out police forces.

    • eddie47d

      These situations happen all over the country including Colorado,Florida and Arizona so it is not strictly a NY problem.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “These situations happen all over the country including Colorado,Florida and Arizona so it is not strictly a NY problem.”

        It happens because it’s one of the few things that works to get illegal guns off the street.

        Rob

    • wandamurline

      i hope she gets all the money this county has in its coffers and a payment plan for the rest that they might get in income. 70 million is not enough….go for 100 million. The county violated her civil rights…too bad she didn’t have darker skin because had she had that, it would have been all over the news and Eric Holder would have been investigating this.

  • Karolyn

    It happened in 2009. Here’s the latest news from Snopes. Apparently, a trial should occur this summer. The story the cops told is totally different. Who REALLY knows. This woman could be a total kook. It’s another case of he said/she said, and it will all come out in court; so no conclusions should be made on the basis of the info available, just like in the Zimmerman case.
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/genovese.asp

    • Barry

      In this snopes report, there are varying accounts of all the “facts” concerning the beginning of this incident including whether or not she’d been warned before; where she was located while taking the pics; whether or not this airfield was public and included a military station on site, or a military site, only; and whether or not her weaponry included an assume rifle – illegal for the public to own. Not a word is mentioned about what happened immediately following the arrest, nor how long she was held in captivity.

      On another ssue but same subject, at this moment, I’m not sure where I read this, but someone mentioned that the injections were standard in order to keep inmates from becoming infected with anything other inmates may be carrying with them. What a joke! There is no such allowance for such in any county holding or detention center.

      • Karolyn

        “There is no such allowance for such in any county holding or detention center.”

        And you know this how, Barry? I cannot imagine how you could have such a blanke t statement, considering how many counties are in the US. I read it in one of the news reports.

      • wandamurline

        #1, don’t believe everything snoops tells you…they reported that there were no cases where Kagan represented Obama…but if you go to the Court website, there are plenty of them. The Constitution says that you have the right to legal counsel…..I don’t give a rat’s what the locals want….we still have a Constitution….and if we want to keep it, we have to get rid of Obama and the socialist marxists impersonating Democrats.

      • Vicki

        Barry writes
        ——————————–\
        and whether or not her weaponry included an assume rifle – illegal for the public to own
        ——————————–

        Hmmm… What is an assume rifle? Oh and a quick review of the 2nd amendment finds no subclass of rifle that the public is forbidden to own so the rifle (whatever it is) is completely legal to own and carry.

        Unless you do not believe that the Constitution (where the 2nd amendment resides) is the SUPREME law of this land.

    • Meteorlady

      So again – why no Miranda and why no lawyers present when she was questioned? As for the shots and searching her car – they need search warrants to do that, but maybe when our Patriot Act kicks in they can do whatever they want which I find very scary indeed.

  • kategray

    How easy for those in power to lie about things. She was denied all of her rights given to her by the CONSITUTION. aND THE SHERIFF SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TO retire with bennies. This is a travesty and I believe she has a clad iron case, but you know those in power will say it was a mistake and they are sorry. BULL

  • Greg

    It’s clear that we are hearing only one side of this story. It sounds like there is allot more…

  • TANK

    This is just the beginning folks there will be crap like this all over in the next few years if we dont get some Sherrifs in the county’s that are staunch constitutionalist with a ferverant hold on the concept of our Constitution we will be skrewd , the County Sherrif Holds all the power in a county He can Stop the feds ,stop any action in the county because he was elected by the people , All he need do is Deputize as many volunteers as it takes to quell the situation , I suggest reading Sherrif Richard mack’s book , County Sherrif Americas last hope , t

  • cawmun cents

    Well I hate to poke holes in a tale of twisted intent,but here goes.
    Photographing helicopters while carrying 5,000 sumoleans in ones purse,and having a rifle in close proximity is not a crime……but…….one can surely ascertain that it could be cause for alarm for those three conditions to be present simultaneously in a person named Genovese,right?She may not be Sicilian,I know.But if any 1 of the previous 3 conditions were not present,I would find this an outrage.But having them all accounted for at one time…well let us say that it does seem a little suspicious.
    The teabagger thing,well that is subject to scrutiny in the form of good taste.The right-wing comment,well….that too is probably a bit overboard.But in the defense of the obviously MSM saturated cops mind,those three factors do add up to reasonable suspicion.
    Not that I would advocate the practice(I do not),but the thought of being paid five large to shoot at police helicopters,or any helicopters for that matter,is kind of attractive for the imaginative mind.Not that I have proof that any such occurence happened,but as I previously quipped earlier in this post,there is cause for suspicion when these three conditions are present at the same time.Not that I think any sane person would shoot at helicpopters for money,but it would make for interesting headlines in the local news,right?
    Just a passing thought.
    -CC.

    • Karolyn

      Very astute observations, cc. After going to the sites I have posted below, I’m feeling a little more balanced in my view of this situation. Just as it has happened so often, a sensational story can get people going without even checking on the facts. I’m surprised at Bob for writing this story, which may turn out to be the story of a nutcase who is just covering her butt with her story about just taking a picture for her tribute to veterans. Snopes has a quote from another article that she was upset about some Iowa National Guard exercise and FEMA camps. It was also noted that she was behaving erratically. We really don’t know and won’t know until all the facts are heard in court, although she did have the right to photograph the helicopter on public property.

      • GALT

        The charges have been heard in court……they were dismissed! The pictures she took were available to the officer to see when he stopped her……..this was not a secure military facility…….and the security for it…….is provided by the local police……all of which is available to YOU simply by doing a search of the airport………you can get detailed plans and pics on the internet……..

      • Meteorlady

        OK – I might agree with some of what you said, but why was she denied an attorney from the get go? That is our right from the start. To not make a statement unless an attorney is present – it’s also our right to have Miranda read…..

      • nc

        Karolyn, I spent 35 years connected to the court system and I have SEEN some outlandish stuff filed in court documents(cases).Ask any spouse that has ever appeared in an action filed by the other spouce about matters that are “ALLEGED” against them that were not true, were NEVER true, but ‘filed “just the same.
        It appears to me that Mr. Livingston has printed “her side” of the case and it is like you indicaed that a total review of the case could reveal a totally different story.

        This lady has alleged a violation of about every “civil liberty” a person has but I see no indication of the ACLU becoming involved. Makes me think that they might not find the lady’s version all that creditable.

    • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

      both comments from cawmun and karolyn remind me of the “she was dressed scantily, therefore she deserved the rape” ..kind of attitude. If this happened to me, I’d probably easily become a little more unbalanced than I usually am deemed to be – after all what is unbalanced. An opinion, a thought, an idea of how one should behave? Goodness I sounded like deerinwater for a second…

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        I don’t think that is water deer is standing in. After reading many of his/her post, I think that person is peeing down their leg.

      • cawmun cents

        Make no mistake….I do not condone the methods used by the authorities,but I do see cause for suspicion.If you dont find this particualar set of circiumstances at least somewhat suspect then you should go to work for DHS,ICE,or the DOJ.
        They could use your help on the borders.
        Cheers!
        -CC.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        I’m on my way —- :) I was making a first impression comment, I actually saw both you and karolyn’s point. I was being deerinwater – nothing more, nothing less – just experiencing the universes free flow through my body and brain. Goodness I think I’m going to toss my cookies over that last sentence. :)

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear cawmun cents,

      I wrote a column about people like you. Please read it. If you did, please re-read it. http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/14/the-lies-youre-told/

      You write: “Photographing helicopters while carrying 5,000 sumoleans (sic) in ones (sic) purse,and (sic)having a rifle in close proximity is not a crime……but…….one can surely ascertain that it could be cause for alarm for those three conditions to be present simultaneously in a person named Genovese,right?She (sic) may not be Sicilian,I (sic) know.But(sic) if any 1 of the previous 3 conditions were not present,I would find this an outrage.But having them all accounted for at one time…well let us say that it does seem a little suspicious.” It is only suspicious to you because that is the message you’ve been spoon fed. She has a perfectly legitimate excuse for carrying $13,000 in her purse—not that she needs one. Are they not “legal tender for all debts public and private?” She was lawfully carrying a weapon. But the kicker: She was photographing a helicopter set up as a display on a PUBLIC right of way.

      And you’ve completely given law enforcement a pass on the rights violations. In this post you’ve displayed little of your namesake.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Bill Roth

        Here I am 69 yrs. old and just finding out I must be a terrorist. For the last 50 years I have carried a good amount of cash and a gun (mine was loaded). I generally carry my camera as I travel in my work and a camera is necessary for my job. Thank God I live in Texas.

      • JeffH

        Bill Roth, I live in Fresno, Ca near the Fresno Airport where the 144th Fighter Wing Air National Guard resides. There are F-16′s on the tarmac 24/7, easily seen from the road as well as various military helicopters on other parts of the airport and I often stop to watch them. Many people stop & take photos.
        I can’t recall any time I’ve driven by without somebody observing and often taking photos. They also have a dislay of vintage military aircraft just inside one gated area and I stopped on many occasions with just one visit by security. I did have my shotgun cased in the cargo area, but was never asked to search myself or my vehicle. I told them I was just “checkin’ the planes out”, showed him my ID when he asked for it…then was told to enjoy my day. Go figure huh?

    • Buster the Anatolian

      I might and I repeat might see some revelance if she had in fact been taking photos of a group of or even a single helicopter on the flight line. That is not the case here she was photographing an inoperable static display that could be seen by anyone who passed by.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        And even if I agreed with your premis the authorities were in NO way justified in their treatment of her.

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        It is not necessary, under a totalitarian regime as our government is quickly becoming, to require that actions actually be inappropriate. They must merely have the slightest appearance of impropriety in order for the suspension of all ethics, morals, laws, decency, common sense, etc. to occur.

        We are quickly becoming a nation ruled by men, not under the rule of law, as was originally intended. As such, all manner of evil will manifest itself upon us.

  • Stephen

    If I were an Attorney, I would represent Nancy pro bono. It would just be another case of how our government likes to waste time and a whole lot of money. This is a disgraceful use of authority. We live in America, not Iran.

    • Steve E

      Amen

  • wt

    Waterboard her

    • ringgo1

      Ah, one of Obamao’s libtard trolls! Are you being paid for your posts, or just lacking a life?

    • Barry

      What are you? 13?

      • Paul D.

        Age maybe; IQ definitely.

    • Steve E

      I thought you Libs believe that waterboarding was was torture.

  • Homer

    anyone surprised! When evil takes over, it does a good job! Hoenstly people, when this nation told God, get out of our schools and get out of our prayer lives and egt out of our halls of (INJUSTICE) illlrepute and get out of our lives, that is exactly what we got! now we get whatever Satan can give us, hell on earth! Oh, and by the way, it will get MUCH worse! Stand by! NO GOD, NO PEACE, KNOW GOD,KNOW PEACE!!

    • Barry

      Homer, you are SOOOOOOO RIGHT!!!

  • wt

    She could have been another Oklahoma City bomber in the making

    • LGA

      So could you! What a ridiculous comment.

      • Robert Smith

        Really? Does WT have a bunch of cash and guns in his care while he’s taking pictures of a military area?

        Rob

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Rob it is a municipal airport, not a militay area

      • TIME

        Dear Mr R Smith,

        So its a crime to have cash on you in any amount?
        Is that your learned opinion, or is that a law?

        Having a rifle in your car in a locked case is a CRIME, I ask yet again is that your opinion or is that a law that we are all not aware of?

        You sure have a lot to say about nothing – as your post clearly display day after day.

        Peace and Love

      • Meteorlady

        One gun unloaded in the case does not make a terrorist. I transport my guns all the time when I go to the shooting range for skeet and trap. Still waiting for the warning link….

      • Buster the Anatolian

        robert smith is showing his true colors today. Despite his occasional claims to the contrary he is showing his approvel for an ever larger, ever more intrusive, ever more abusive government on all levels. He knowingly lies about her firearm (claims she had multiple firearms when she in fact han only one). He knowingly lies about the “tresspassing”. The lady never tresspassed she was on highway/street right of way the whole time and the trumped up tresspass charge was dropped because there was absolutely no evidence to support it.

      • TIME

        Dear Mr. R. Smith

        Just a quick note on how little you know about the South Fork of LI, $5000.00 in cash in the Hamptons is equal to a student having $1.50 Cents in their pocket.

        Peace and Love.

      • http://PersonalLiberty Alondra

        Brad, did not you learn yet that libs like Robert would not blink without lying, distorting, twisting or falsifying the facts. It’s called MISLESDING.
        Rob is on the Soros’ donation.

    • Barry

      Oh, really, now?! So let’s arrest everyone who takes pictures and hold them for 3 days! Sharp comment, wt…

    • Steve E

      She could have had the cash to pay for her child’s school tuition at the school the child went to. She could have had a gun in the car to transport the gun to a shooting range. I never go to my shooting range without my gun. You see if you don’t have a gun at a shooting range, you can’t shoot anything.

      • Meteorlady

        That was a good one. thanks…. I too never go the range without a gun – it’s counter-productive.

      • wandamurline

        Regardless of whom she could have been….as an American citizen she has the right under the Constitution to legal counsel….this was not given to her. Are we sooooo afraid that we will allow our government to completely dominate our lifes for safety? This is a distraction….it always has been…..it is a power grab to subdue the masses. I don’t like being subdued.

      • RichE

        ahhh wrong wandamurline, If charged as a terrorist you have no rights. I think many here today were/are trying to make that point.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “ahhh wrong wandamurline, If charged as a terrorist you have no rights. I think many here today were/are trying to make that point.”

        But she was never charged as a terrorist the only charge against her was tresspassing and that was dropped because she never tresspassed she was on highway/street right of way the whole time.

      • RichE

        Yep, which makes it worse. She doesn’t have to be charged, just suspected of terrorism and away she goes along with all her rights. I sincerely hope this point sinks into everyone’s head.

      • Robert Smith

        “I never go to my shooting range without my gun. You see if you don’t have a gun at a shooting range, you can’t shoot anything.”

        Absolutely false. One can easily rent a gun at many ranges. Here is an example: http://laxrange.com/index.php/gun-rentals/

        Rob

      • independent thinker

        “One can easily rent a gun at many ranges.”

        Maybe where you live robert but not where I live. In fact I know of two ranges within a 2+ hour drive that rent guns and both are part of a gunstore. There are many public ranges within that distance that do not have gun rental available.

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        Why would one want to shoot someone else’s gun, anyway? Best to practice with your own….

      • TIME

        Dear Mr. R Smith,

        Really rent a gun??????
        Why would one want to rent a gun?

        I can’t think of any reason for such mindless thinking as if your learning to shoot “YOUR” gun why would you want someone else’s gun?

        Afterall to learn what “YOUR” gun’s preformance is would be the only reason one would go to the range in the first place.
        That is keeping in mind that NOT all GUNS are equal in base operation, as in one may shot high where as the next shoots low, etc…….

        Peace and LOVE

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        Bet Mr. Smith “rents” his undershorts, as well…….

      • JeffH

        Robert Smith clearly displays his ignorance by replying to this comment with his “Absolutly false” statement.

        “I never go to my shooting range without my gun. You see if you don’t have a gun at a shooting range, you can’t shoot anything.”

        Robert says, “Absolutely false.”

        I ask you, Robert, what is false about either comment besides nothing?

        1 – He said he never goes shooting without a gun.
        ….What is false about that?

        2 – Is it false to say…”if you don’t have a gun at a shooting range, you can’t shoot anything”…NO, that is a fact!

        Neither of those two statements are false and your need to argue that is purely based on ignorance and nothing more.

      • Steve E

        I sorry I was so vague in my first statement that I have to carry my gun to the shooting range in order to shoot it. I left out the part that the shooting range is located on a piece of my own property that is a distance from my home.

      • JeffH

        Steve E, even a caveman could understand what you said, that Robert couldn’t isn’t your fault…more than likely his “progressive education” is at fault. Comprehension and logic aren’t conducive to the progressive mindset.

      • Vicki

        Robert Smith was making assumptions. But then he does that a lot so none of us are surprised.

    • 2¢ worth…

      So let’s persecute everybody in an effort to thwart that one possibility.. Don’t whine when you become a target wt.

    • Big Woody

      Yup! A target rifle and a digital camera (probably full of fertilizer and fuel oil). That’s why they kept the memory card. Too much fertilizer. Sounds like a very dangerous indvidual to me. Good thing she was not IN the airport. The TSA would have closed down the whole state and done a body search of all the sheriff’s deputies that came to arrest this very dangerous woman.

  • GALT

    So? …..if——->then,——- ;ergo!

    Police state or military dictatorship or commie fascist cabal or………?

    Power CORRUPTS!!!!!!!

    No congressional hearings??????? Ron???????? ACLU??????

    18 USC 241. Conspiracy against rights & 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

    http://www.lneilsmith.org/18usc.html

    No one is above the law, except those who are, in a nation of laws made by men.

    One has to marvel at the level of chaotic idiocy here, which is particularly extreme, but unfortunately these events occur on a daily basis when ever authority clashes with civilians…….if “Equal Justice Under Law” were taken seriously, the prisons would be filled
    with those who have “duly sworn” to uphold “the law”………and that no criminal charges
    have been filed here is particularly telling…….since as noted above, there are laws to
    prevent “exactly” what has happened here and, if they were actually ENFORCED, would act as an effective deterrent.

    Our REALITY totally upends any common understanding of criminal liability, which should
    set the standard that such acts, when committed by those who are in positions of authority, and who violate the public trust in the use of it, be held to a higher degree of criminal culpability. Yet, not only is this NOT THE CASE, but rather the absolute reverse
    is true.

    Not only is prosecution unlikely, but any conviction would result in a far less punitive sentence than would be applied to your common ordinary garden variety offender.

    This case, which seeks a $70 million dollar settlement ( from the town ) exposes a serious flaw ( one of many ) in our legal system……..the inability of “civilians” to have a proper legal mechanism, to redress grievances…….criminally, against those “in authority”.

    While there are public defenders…..( nominally useless ) there does not seem to be any
    “public prosecutors” available and set aside for this particular purpose…..although the
    office that does exist……. represents the ( town, city ) state, but claims to act in the
    name of the PEOPLE…….. S.P.Q.R. where the “people” are just an afterthought?

  • wt

    Did they waterboard her? Price we pay for security, she could have been a terrorist.

    Most of this is heresay, no evidence . Like reading a cheap fiction novel.

    • Robert Smith

      According to police she had been warned and she continued to be trespassing.

      Of course, around here the police are considered “in” on whatever evil is being perpitrated and can’t be trusted, ever.

      Rob

      • Steve E

        Police can lie. I know that for a fact and so do most intelligent people.

      • Paul D.

        @Steve E
        It happens enough for them to have a term for it: “testilying”.

      • Meteorlady

        again link please? And even if she was warned – it’s not private property and she should not have been treated so extremely right? Or do you condone this?

      • 2¢ worth…

        Police CAN lie and do so constantly WITH the green light from their superiors.. As long as their not swearing in a court of law, the cops can lie, cheat, steal and set-up anyone they deem a bad guy (whether true or not).. This being said, it’s a gimme to even the lowest ranked flat foot. Only when public knowledge enters the equation will they seek justice (by making one or two of their own volunteer to retire and they back off just bit.. until the NEXT time). Sometime this tactic is necessary but once they notice it works, they then use it at their discretion.

  • Tim M

    Sickening. And when the case is settled and she gets the award, who pays for it? The residents through higher taxes. All part of the plan.

    • http://Bud12 Ed

      If this story is true, any compensation should come out of the police pension union fund.

    • Steve E

      That’s why people of any jurisdiction must pay attention to who they hire in the police dept.

    • Meteorlady

      Who voted to elect the Sheriff to office? The people of the town.

    • BunRoe

      Winning a law suit (especially in the amount she’s suing for) it’s unlikely that she’ll ever see penny one.. They’ve got the system set up so corruptly that the win is only a first step from the red tape and total amount of protests even up to the supreme court (an oxymoron in itself) and at any point can settle pennies on the dollar. No, there’s no easy street once she wins, at best it will be justice served.

  • Karolyn

    Here’s a video of a County Council meeting in February of ’11, showing that nobody knew what was going on. Apparently, nobody told the Council anything about this – They didn’t even hear about it.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XdrbNnZsCU

    • eddie47d

      That ought to rile up those who dislike lawyers and lawsuits now that the shoe is on the other foot. It also show that one agency doesn’t know what another department is doing that may affect them.

  • terry

    I want to see verifiable documentation that this happened to this lady. This story hasn’t been heard from any other source. l have only seen it on this site. VERIFY PLEASE.

  • Allen

    This is one time that I hope the citizenry of a county has to PAY and PAY big time. They elected this CREEP. Go lady. Get money.

  • Sirian

    This sounds very much like a replay of what took place in Salem, the infamous witch hunt. And this is what we have to look forward to? Keep a very keen eye on what is taking place locally folks, who’s to say the same has not occurred nearby.

    • Robert Smith

      The witch hunt was run by christians.

      Rob

      • Dolor

        That was way in the past, Christians learned and do not do this, that is for the Socialists and the Unions, now.

      • Chester

        For Dolor, I am very much afraid it was good Christian folk who did this, but disguised as a search for a potential terrorist rather than for a witch. The bad thing about it is that under current federal law she could simply have been disappeared, and no one would have had any idea as to where she went or why.

      • Robert Smith

        From Dolor: “That was way in the past, Christians learned and do not do this, ”

        Exodus 22:18
        King James Version (KJV)

        “18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.”

        Oh… I guess christians are just using the bible to bash gays. Everyone else gets a pass.

        Maybe they will “learn” not to hate gays.

        I get it.

        Rob

      • FreedomFighter

        The church condemed the witch hunts, and saved many from death, it was government that conducted the witch hunts. Look your history up. It was a government power grab using the chuch not the other way around.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Robert Smith

        “Look your history up.”

        The church was behind it.

        Got your copy of the Maelius Malificarum?

        It really had little to do with “witchcraft” and a lot to do with stealing from citizens. Back then the church was the government.

        Rob

      • FreedomFighter

        Batican documents from the time show it differently.

        Evil men always use the current power structure, it does not mean the entire church “did it”

        Like some in American government are commies, does not mean we all are.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • BunRoe

        “The witch hunt was run by christians.”..

        That’s true, but this is being run by authorities (whether christian or not) and I don’t think christians learned their lesson. I think if the civil unrest grows and murder and torture becomes an everyday event, christians, like law enforcement, will seek out their enemies (the atheist) and commit just as much damage. Nobody will be safe, everyone will be a predator.. No one will survive.

      • afdbghq

        Rob says “Oh… I guess christians are just using the bible to bash gays. Everyone else gets a pass.

        Maybe they will “learn” not to hate gays.”

        Christians do not bash gays. Christians are taught to love a sinner but to hate the sin. I do not hate gays but I do not accept the lifestyle.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        robert says: The witch hunt was run by christians.

        Wrong Robert! The witch hunts were orchestrated by the Roman Papacy, which is anything but, Christian; and a considerable number of Christians ( Reformers against the Papacy) were martyred. Roman Catholicism is nothing more then pagan religion wearing a Christian mask.

        Catholic customs stem from ancient pagan practices and beliefs. Pagan priests were celibate, tonsured, and received the power of sacrificing for the living and the dead. The same power is given to Roman Catholic priests. Pagan celibate priests are dedicated to the mother goddess, and Catholic priests to Mary the mediatrix.
        Elevating Mary

        In 1854, the Papacy declared Mary sinless, and in 1951, they declared that she had ascended unto heaven, where she was crowned as the “Queen of heaven.” This was called the Assumption of Mary.

        Since then, the complete system of Babylonian worship, with Mary taking the role of the mediatrix, has thus been established within Catholicism.

        The goddess in ancient religions was worshiped as the life giver and nurturer and, as such, this religion was full of sexual undertones. Phallic symbols, as well as symbols of femininity and divine intercourse, were common in ancient temples, as they are in modern temples, particularly in India. These symbols are equally common in Roman Catholic cathedrals.

        The breasts of the goddess formed a prominent part of the goddess cult, goddesses often being depicted with many breasts to nurture the world. Even the sun god was depicted nurturing at the goddess’ breast.

        Catholicism carries the same mythology. Take for example the Magharet Sitti Mariam, or “Milk Grotto” as it is commonly known, where Catholic tradition has it that Mary spilt milk from her breast while feeding Jesus. This milk supposedly squirted onto the walls of the cave and formed white markings. The grotto has become a shrine, revered today as a place of pilgrimage for healing and fertility.

        The sinner that ventures directly to Christ may come with dread and apprehension of his wrath; but let him only employ the mediation of the Virgin with her Son and she has only to show that Son the breasts that gave him suck and his wrath will immediately be appeased.i

        Pope John Paul II believed that Mary intercedes for the faithful who honor her during
        mass: As they listen to the word proclaimed in the Sunday assembly, the faithful look to the Virgin Mary…From Sunday to Sunday, the pilgrim people follow in the footsteps of Mary, and her maternal intercession gives special power and fervour to the prayer which rises from the Church to the Most Holy Trinity.

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        The one great thing about life is at the end, all of your so-called religious and anti-religious questions will be answered for you. There won’t be a “reply” icon.

      • catman11

        Wrong,
        Freedom Fighter.You better go back to school and learn a little history.The Catholic Church was indeed behind the bloody witch hunts.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=591960101 mug59

        You all have drank the kool-aid on the witch hunts! Do some reading from the time first not the crap they write now about it. There was 1 yes ONE witch trial and only 1 was hung and the backlash was so great they never had another hanging or witch hunt again. Read about it and find the real facts!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Hmmmmm, what about the Malleus Maleficarum?

        Rob

  • Karolyn

    OMG! Well, if it were me, I would have been all over the news, gathering folks and picketing the Sheriff’s Office, forcing the media to take notice. Go to the Governor’s office; start a blog; plaster Facebook. I learned from my mom to open my mouth when I was wronged. She was a very outspoken person and would never let anybody get away with anything. My point is not why was this never reported in the MSM, but why have we never seen anything about it anywhere until now?

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Karolyn… Why haven’t we heard anyting?

      Until it was picked up by the extreme right wing it was a simple case of she had been warned (which she denies) NOT to take pictures there. Taking pictures in sensative places has been questionable since 911. The original local papers carried it as trespassing.

      There were several “clues” that demanded attention. She had over $13,000 in her car. (She claims some of it was stolen during her ordeal.) She had guns in her car (properly registered though).

      The injections were to help control the many infections that are in jail facilities. They were for her and the other inmates protection.

      She was acting somewhat irrationally and confrontational to the police. Again, not illegal, but when you anger a cop he’s gonna try to find out what the agenda is.

      She DID NOT “win” the lawsuit that is still ongoing. The town “lost” the case. The local guy in charge for the town had a couple of deaths in his family in close succession and simply screwed up what he was supposed to have filed. That issue has been resolved with new council.

      Things are ongoing.

      Rob

      • Barry

        And your information came from where, exactly?

      • Karolyn

        Barry, check out the links I posted below.

      • Meteorlady

        Warned? Link please………

      • Charles

        She was given an injection without medical supervision to protect her from rampant disease in the jail?
        At the same time prescribed medication was being withheld?
        Your comment makes no sense!

      • independant thinker

        “Taking pictures in sensative places has been questionable since 911.”

        What is sensative about a display helicopter sitting next to a public highway.

        “The original local papers carried it as trespassing.”

        The tresspassing charge was dropped because she was on public property the whole time (highway/street right of way).

        “There were several “clues” that demanded attention. She had over $13,000 in her car. (She claims some of it was stolen during her
        ordeal.)”

        She said the money was for tution at a school for one of her sons.

        “She had guns in her car (properly registered though).”

        She had ONE gun in her car properly regestered and properly cased and unloaded for transport. She also at no time had the rifle in any prohibited area.

        ” The injections were to help control the many infections that are in jail facilities. They were for her and the other inmates protection.”

        So it is OK to give injections without any consideration for whether the person being injected might have an allergy to what is being given.

      • afdbghq

        She was taking pictures at a public airport which is totally legal. She was on public land while taking the pictures. Everyone has the right to stand on public property and take pictures. Only if you are on private land without permission could there possibly be a problem. If she was taking pictures of a military airport, then their could be cause for concern but at a “PUBLIC” airport no way.

      • RichE

        It’s a public/national guard airport.

    • wandamurline

      I think she needs to contact Liberty Counsel and I don’t think the guy retiring will get to enjoy his retirement money…..I hope she includes each one of them separately in the lawsuit.

  • Michael J.

    Bob,
    This is the first I’ve heard of this, but I intend to learn more.
    It’s clear that in Suffolk County at least, Cold Martial Law is being implemented.

    • Flashy

      When this was occurring to people other than Right ideologued, ex: Brandon Mayfield; when it was protested by Moderates and Progressives; when the protest over the unPatriotic Act were being held ad Bush/Cheney were lying to us on a daily basis …. How fresh are those memories of being told by the Far Right/neo-cons, American Taliban … “if you haven’t done anything wrong, what are you afraid of?”.

      Cowardly acceptance trading our freedom and liberty to protect themselves from hyped fake fears of terrorism.

      Well….you got what you asked for. And now its not your fault and your making ? How dare what you wished for is now horrific and someone else’s fault and making?

      Yeah….sure. oh yeah, but let’s support the Arizona law requiring everyone to pack around proof of citizenship … Because that’s different…and if youre a citixen, what do you have to be afraid of ?

      Protest this, scream about it. But don’t blame anyone but yourselves. You got what you asked for and forced the rest.of us to suffer.

      • wandamurline

        It is about control of the masses….they have tried and tried to take our guns….now they pass a bill where they can arrest you and put you in without your 4th and 14th Amendments and hold you indefinitely without anyone knowing where you are. Is this America or is this Russia or China? It is time to get these laws repealed i.e. Patriot Act and get rid of the TSA at the airports.

      • momo

        Flashy, yeah Bush got that stupid Patriot Act passed, but Obama renewed it, so I guess we’re all guilty.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        And Patriot Act II impeads much more on your freedoms than one did.

      • Flashy

        Wanda. Out of curiousity, how much were you protesting when those were passed and implemented ? Or, be honest, were you amongst those denigrating the protesters and saying “if you haven’t done anything wrong, what are you afraid of ? We need these to be safe from terrorists. “

      • wandamurline

        A lot. I have been constantly on my representation to repeal these laws….they get every video of TSA’s overreaching searches on grandma, little girls, guys with urine bags….every one of these videos I get, I forward to them and remind them of the 4th and 14th Amendment of the Constitution. Is that enough? If not, please tell me how to do more.

      • Flashy

        Momo: nice try, but that dog don’t hunt. Typical of the Right to try and pass the buck refusing to accept the blame and consequences of what they screamed for, demanded, and denigrated true patriots who weren’t afraid to protect our liberties and freedoms.

        You realize the “renewal of the Patriot Act” scam is not true. Pres. Obama signed legislation renewing two parts of the unPatriotic Act and a third piece which has been on the books since the 50′s. Which of those three are you against? As well, are you for or against civilian trials, in the US, for Gitmo prisoners?

        We caught, arrested, tried,convicted, and punished criminals with success before the unPatriotic Act. What was wrong with that system ? Why did you support it back then? Why did you denigrate those who were against it ?

      • Meteorlady

        Flashy – the government needs these to be safe from us. Be honest – how many terrorist have been caught by TSA. How many terror plots have been foiled – that there is actual proof of – since passage of the Patriot Act?

        AND yes I was protesting all the way when it was being considered, but like everything else our government does – we the people were ignored.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Flasy do you go anywhere without identification?? It has been against the law for as far back as I can remember and the authorities can hold you for several hours if not days for doing so. So please leave your home everytime you do, without any indentification so possibly we would be so lucky you could be held long enough to give us a break from you trash.

      • Paul

        Flashy, you sound like a total fool, comments about parts of the Patriot Act being around since 1950, but Bush did it. Don’t you think he was a little young in 1950.

      • http://jturbine.wordpress.com jturbine

        How right you are.They play the terrorist card out here in Iowa in the least populated county in the state.Its an insult to the citizens and taxpayers to think anyone around here was involved in 9-11 or a member of some terrorist group.Our county law enforcement is preparing for the Possible terrorist attack in a county with 11000 population.What a waste of resources and loss of liberty.

      • wandamurline

        But yet the OWS can get away with destruction of private property, bashing of the police, and all other chaotic behavior and they arrest a woman for taking a picture. Do you see a pattern here?

      • Flashy

        Brad: as i stated, the recent bill signed by Pres. Obama extended two parts of the unPatriotic Act. The third had been on the books since the 50′s. I did not state that 3rd to be part of the unPatriotic Act. Now, of the three, which ones do you oppose? Note Pres. Obama did not “reauthorize” the unPatriotic Act….that’s a lie put out by yhe Rabid Right/TPers/American Taliban.

        Paul: up until the unPatriotic Act, always carrying ID was not a requirement. Today? Best pack it or risk detention…and in Arizona, hope you also carry proof of citizenship. You dont have to be Hispanic. There are many Canadiens and Europeans here illegally. So just being white is not a free pass. Unless you suggest and ecoect it will only be enforvrd against Brown skin people.

        Wanda….I wasn’t talking about now, but when it was passed and your stance….and I wonder if you denigrated those in protest at the time because, in your eyes, they were “liberals”.

      • Wyatt

        Flashy , you should wake up and smell just what you ae shoveling ! And then , go move to a leftest country where you and your Communist Pals will be happy . Just like everything else with this administration , everything is out of control . The DOJ is running amok , the White House is destroying America and trampling on the Constitution when ever it gets the chance . Witless sheep like yourself cry about the blame game . And this when your leader can take blame for nothing he does , says or decrees .

        People like you embolden those who are in power and allow them to take away our liberties . Admit it , this guy is the biggest disgrace that has ever graced the Oval Office ! But no , you will defend and protect him right up to and including the time he marches you and all the rest of the SHEEP into the FEMA Camp . You and all the other Morons

      • Opal the Gem

        And Flushy the proven lier makes the same moronic post that he has been making since he was known as flashman as well as other alter egos.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Brad, it’s against the law to leave your home without identification?!? I’ve never heard of that!

      • vicki

        Hey flashy. Most of us here were quite vocal when the Patriot Act and similar measures were being implemented. Not that your liberal representatives paid any more attention to us then. Now tell me. Why, with a super majority in the house, a filibuster proof senate and the Presidency, did the Democrats FAIL to repeal all those evil things that you claim you protested against.

        Democrats are NOT your friends.

      • vicki

        Nancy in Nebraska says:
        ———————————————————–
        Brad, it’s against the law to leave your home without identification?!? I’ve never heard of that!
        ———————————————————–

        It’s not. Not even in Arizona and you are an illegal alien invader.

        It IS illegal however for you to leave your home, travel upon the kings property while moving your private property (vehicle), from your home to another private property.

        Has been for many more years than even Bush Sr has been around.

      • Brian W

        Just great. Government oppresses the people, so the commenters take “effective action” by fighting with each other over which side of the two-party party they favour. Yes, that WILL fix it. As far as the government is concerned, it will.

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        We have rot in both the Democrat and Republican parties that are taking away our civil liberties, our economic freedoms, and it is time that “rot” were removed. Before all the campaign stump speeches begin, a good examination of each candidates prior activities needs to be performed and ALL CANDIDATES need to be held accountable for their actions. Want my vote? Show me how you have made my life more free and less economically burdened. Kind of narrows te field significantly.

      • afdbghq

        Flashy, you are one dumb, stupid, ignorant person who has totally consumed all the liberal kool-aid and believe that conservatives are the most stupid people on the planet. I have news for you. Conservatives are the most informed, intelligent, and well rounded individuals because they look at all sides of an issue before making any decision, not like you who blindly accept the liberal viewpoint without bothering to do any of your own research.

      • http://theconservativehillbilly.wordpress.com The Conservative Hill Billy

        Heaven forbid a person has to carry I.D. with them.

      • RichE

        It’s not forbidden, but many states have, ‘Stop and identify’ statutes.

      • Flashy

        Conservatives are the most informed, intelligent, and well rounded individuals because they look at all sides of an issue before making any decision <—afbd.

        Now THAT is funny !!

      • Flashy

        Nancy … Prior to the Bush/Cheney gear led passage of the unPatriotic Act, ehere anyone objecting was denigrated and ridiculed by the Right wing neo-cons, if you did not have I’D on you, the police could detain you only with probable cause of a commission of a crime. Note the word “detain”… not arrest. After the Right cheered in the passage of the unPatriotic Act, on subjective suspicion, you can be arrested by the police and held until they establish who you are and no crime was committed.

        This is what was cheered on and supported by the Right. Y’all got what you asked for. Happy now?

      • SFC_Swede

        Flashy….or should I say giant douche? You might have had an argument, right up and until you called people like myself the “American Taliban”. Look here scumbag, see unlike you, I actually have been around, seen, and fought the REAL Taliban during two tours. People like you make me want to round you up, pack you on a plane….and then drop you in Kunar Province Afghansitan so you cant play hug a thug and sing kumbaya with the real enemy. Dont worry…I would come back to recover your headless body. Your a fraking disgrace.

      • AZMarc

        I didn’t like/approve the patriot act when it was passed and I am not happy that our liberties are being even further abused now! It was wrong for the republocrats to push this big government facism but that doesn’t give the democommies a pass on using it to terrorize citizens. Two wrongs don’t make it right it makes it treasonous. The modern republocrat party is just as big government as the modern democommie party just pushing different pet projects. Now in Arizona, which you love to bash, you don’t have to carry ID. Sheriff Joe’s deputies won’t stop someone not breaking the law just to check for their citizenship papers. If you are DRIVING and BREAK THE LAW, as in no turn signal or broken tailight, then they will pull you over and ask for ID. This is the same for everyone. Then if things don’t add up they will check your status. Say whatever you want, that’s the truth. They could do like the Oregon Governor instructed his state police and accept the Mexican Consular Metricular card as a drivers license…

      • independent thinker

        Flashy convienently (deliberatly) forgets than the bill could not have passed without a lot of help from the democrats. While it is true the Republicans had a majority when the un-patriot act was first passed it was NOT a filibuster proof majority and could have been easily blocked in the senate if a number of democrats did not support it.

      • Lily540

        In 2001,The Patriot Act was passed by the House (357 to 66) and by the Senate (98 to 1) In 2002, the Demorats took charge of the Senate.
        In 2007, the Demorats took charge of the House.
        In 2011, Obama signed a four-year extension of three key provisions in the USA PATRIOT Act: roving wiretaps, searches of business records (the “library records provision”), and conducting surveillance of “lone wolves” — individuals suspected of terrorist-related activities not linked to terrorist groups.

        And you STILL blame everything on Bush/Cheney? Stupid is as stupid does.

      • G Tharp

        Flashy, you twit. In AZ they are simply following federal law on illegal immigration. They are stopping law breakers. This lady broke no law. Stop being stupid son.

      • Marylou

        This is different! The Arizona law is no different than what is already on the Federal books but not adhered to. Do you drive? Do you carry a drivers license with a picture? Do you have other proof like vehicle insurance with your name on it. That is what they are asking for. If you are here illegally you don’t belong here. This woman’s story is a travesty. She had all proper documents and everything else. This is a horror story about some jerks taking it too far because they wanted to take on a conservative. No I don’t agree with all of it, but the law in AZ is different than what happened to her. Realize the difference.

      • http://RealClearPolitics Tony

        And you’re defending Obama’s participation in this? Hipocracy has no limits with you.

      • hiway280z

        Bush has been gone for some time. This happened and is happening often under obama’s admin. No excuse.

    • restorefreedom

      They are already using NDAA against us as they said they would not! Government sponsored terrorists is what police and law enforcement have become. We are so screwed cops are out of control and it’s all with the nod from all the higher ups. Cops and politicians are getting on the NWO bandwagon so they won’t be left out. Sickening!

      • vicki

        restorefreedom says:
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        They are already using NDAA against us as they said they would not!
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        They said no such thing. obama promised that his administration would not to use it. His signing statement has no legal force so none of his minions (administration) have any duty to follow the statement.
        http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2012/01/04/promises-promises-president-obamas-ndaa-signing-statement/

      • My 2¢ Worth

        When are you sleepers gonna wise up about FEMA and NDAA? If their using it today, it’s selective and rarely implemented.. The reason behind these freedom killers has to do with the next administration (and if that succeeds, a continuation). Haven’t you yet figured out why the GOP wants to push Romney toward POTUS? Why they totally ignore Ron Paul and patriots like him? They know just like we know that Mittens will not become POTUS, hell.. No one likes him, religion discredits his cult and even GOP dislikes him.. There aren’t enough ‘idiots’ who will actually vote for, “Anybody but Obama” because they do have a choice but listen to the GOPINESS and chose the man they (don’t) want.. It all revolves around re-electing Obama and witnessing the civil unrest that follows.. The incarceration of now visible National terrorists..The (probable) assassination of Obama and possibly the V.P. which will leave who then (figure that out yourself) once Obama falls, the black militant community will rise up, more civil unrest, more national terrorism meanwhile within the chaos, starvation (because of the fear to step out on your front yard) and incarceration in FEMA camps, those now in charge (party no consequence) will further invoke laws, destroy rights, get serious about martial law and slip right into the wool suit of NWO.. If you can’t ‘smell’ this in the air of future destruction then you need a good nasal spray.

      • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

        Wait just a minute, here. Someone from the government told you something and you ACTUALLY BELIEVED THEM? You gotta be kidding me….

      • Karolyn

        Please, keep your 2 cents to yourself! It’s exactly talk like that which creates the actual happenings. People like you sound like you just can’t wait til it happens so you can be proven right. Fortunately, i can’t wait til you’re proven wrong!

    • traderphil

      Man, you couldn’t PAY me to even visit the LATE AND ONCE GREAT United States of America!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR COUNTRY!!!?????????? “Home of the FREE!” ??????Not any longer apparently !!! And you thought voting in Obama was going to help your country become more “open and transparent, change banking rules gone mad , minimize Govt. spending and Bringing the Troops home!” HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It’s not working out at all!!! This is the coming “new world order”. I don’t know where you’re at but it’ll be coming to you too. They won’t stop here. When they get done dismantling The United States they’ll be headed your way. At least you’ll see it coming.

    • http://personalliberty.com Vicky Benet

      I am concerned this is just the beginning. Atlas Shrugged . In Obamas America Tea Party Patriots are a dangerous hated bunch of “criminals”….
      I am a proud Tea Party member, and I will work hard to see Barry is a one termer.

      Divider-in-chief…. Thats Obama.

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