Kerry actually LIKES living under the apron of government; he prefers a small group of elitists making decisions for him.

WAIT until he learns how ineffective the means of distribution and how heavy-handed the regulatory arm feels upon his own back.

If the govt created a “Department of Sand Management”, in just 6 years, there would be a shortage of SAND.

For those who would like to get a clue and are willing to put in a little effort:
http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

I recommend that this book be read before the above, as Murray gets quite heavy with the economic lingo:
http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

To Nobody’s Fool:
Obama won’t have to resort to fraud when dealing with the robotic clown that’s going to be his competition. Trust me sir, it will be quite easy for the incumbent’s re-election. Sorry for the sad news!!

Don’t think that it will make any difference who wins and who loses. The collectivists have infiltrated both parties. Their agenda will go forward no matter who wins. Voter fraud truly exists, but it is against anyone who is not with them on their agenda. Why do you think that no matter who is in government we continue along the same path of destruction? Every time the government switches control from one party to another, we expect to see change. But that does not happen. We continue to lose our rights and move towards a “collectivist” or “communist” or “socialist” government whether we want it or not! Wake up people! It isn’t about party affiliation! We need constitutionalists in government or we all lose. The United States of America will cease to exist!

To Nancy:
I agree that our nation is losing it’s constitutional liberties and we have to fight to maintain the constitution in tact. However, all i’m saying given what the Incumbent’s competition is plus the facade that things are getting better, Obama is going to be re-elected big time. Even the bookies in Las Vegas have already made bets that the incumbent gets re-elected by 5-8 points. This is the earliest in the history of Presidential elections this took place. Thus, what does that tell you!?! Thanks and have a good day.

Tony, it makes no difference whose face is in the whitehouse. Even if it were romney you could still consider it a reelection. The same people have control. They operate the same agenda. They are two parts of the same whole. They want you to look at one candidate or the other. It distracts you from seeing that they are the same. The strings are still being pulled by the same people! Anyone who comes against them will be made to look like a fool, just like they did with Ron Paul. We should all vote for whoever “looks like” a fool or loser. That way, you will know that you are voting against those who are trying to enslave us. Anyone who is not part of their agenda will be crucified by the media and made to look very bad. They OWN the media. The face in the whitehouse is just a figurehead. They are not the ones making the decisions and calling the shots. They only need someone that they control.

I come here to sharpen my debate skills. Thanks Dave for being a good sparring partner.

Eric the Red, all you’ve succeeded in doing is sharpening the point of your head.

You call this a debating site. hehe! That was funny. It’s more of debasing site.

I’ll agree a few jewels of debate do occur on occasion. But what an effort to slough through the sewage for those rare tipbits of reason.

What skills, Eric? You mean fabricating facts, condescending, and name-calling skills?
I wouldn’t call what I do with you a “debate”. It’s more like a humiliation. But then, you would have to have a minimal set of cognitive skills to realize how badly you’ve been beaten.

Shane…what’s predictable is the Moderates and moderate Conservatives writing on this site give rational, sane, doable solutions and use facts and logic. What is preictable is the majority writing here are in need of deep therapy and display hate, fear, and ignorance on a daily basis. What is predictable is that the majority of this site, i.e. the far extremist Right, offer no solutions other than to tear this nation apart, implace their own twisted values and policies ignoring economic realities and basic social mores, and return this nation to a third rate feudal agrarian society ruled by a few “nobility” based upon wealth lording it over the many.

And..what is predictable is anyuone who dares cite any policy…even those put in place by Reagan, will be denigrated, slammed, insulted, and hammered as being “communist” or ‘socialist’ and worthy of nothing more than a bullet and a shallow grave. (yes…i have at times proposed polices which were almost word for word taken from Reagan speeches and been denigrated as a commie. It was a very interesting series of experiments)

Flashy, what in the hell are you talking about? Your comment to me, made no sense on the topic at hand. Which, excuse me. Does make sense. When you lose the argument, don’t admit, and go on to something completely different.

I do admire your consistent dishonest rants however. Keep it up Flashy.

P.S. Other than a momentary distraction. Why do many on this site even try to debate with those that are too dishonest to discuss the various issues that divide us. Most of the writers here, do not care to debate the merits of their argument, and learn from others. It’s just one big shouting match. I’ll admit that I play in this sand box on occasion, because of the comedy. But many of those that we throw sand at, are merely throwing their own fecas out of their pants, back at others.

Blah, blah. blah, it’s called Flushblather Shane! Whatever ya do, don’t let none get on ya!!!

Yes indeed Flashy, you are in need of deep therapy.

I wonder if Bo knows?!!

Well…if you think the ryan budget plan is a workable solution….then tell us, what exactly is set to be cut to make the levels of spending projected in said budget. Exactly what programs are put down to be slashed and cut?

Ryan’s budget calls for closing tax loopholes…can you tell us what tax loopholes will be closed (hint: they aren’t detailed and it’s anyone’s guess). Paid vouchers for Medicare? uh huh … how will that affect the millions who cannot afford above the voucher cap and just exactly how will that social engineering affect the recipients?

Ryan’s budget proposes to shrink the deficit in a way that not only would make the rich richer and the poor poorer but would deprive the country of the spending required to do what we need most …: nation-building at home.

The GOP and the extremist mantra is slashing the budget will bring us to a balanced budget. Yeah…and i could cut off both thumbs and lose weight. Neither will create jobs or train labor for the future jobs which will become available.

We came into our empire building on four pillars of strength. Education, infrastructure, quality government institutions and government-funded research. Since 1981 when the extremist right came into influence, we have slashed and hacked and degraded those pillars to where our standing as a Great Power is endangered.

The whacked Right’s solution? More of the same which brought us to this point.

What we do need is to rebuild those pillars of American success, by cutting, taxing and investing. Which is exactly what Obama is proposing. The one aspect of Pres. Obama’s budget proposal which falls short is detailing the restructuring of SSI and Medicare. But in an election year where any mistep is overblown into a gigantic mythic lie and falsity…such is understandable/

Think about that.

FLDiane, Flashy does not know how to discuss and debate the issues. He’s one of the many that are found ton the left side of the bell curve. Flashy likes to stop up the septic drain system with his rants, and hopes that the overflow from his potty mouth gets all over us.

Shane….you think i am wrong in outlining the GOP/Ryan/Romney plan? you believe i err when i state the whacke Right offer no viable, rational, raeasonable solutions? You believe i err when i say the War on the Middle Class and the historical redistribution of wealth began on Reagan’s watch? you believe I err when i state something you do not comprehend?

Bring it up. Counter it if you can. As it stands, ..well…just exactly what have you said?

Isn’t that the Banksters Fascist game plan. Squeeze Europe which will destroy revenues even more, then they will be forced to sell assets/privatize, which is short for getting to buy prime assets at fire sale prices, and just call it austerity. That’s the first test. It’s coming here next.

Argentina got it right, they told the banksters where to go. If we are smart we will learn from them.

Flashy, you’re an idiot. I don’t have to prove a negative. You made a statement out of thin air. Back it up. Then I’ll see if there’s some meat to digest and comment on.

But back to you Flashy. You’re a sick puppy. I do not detest people that differ in opinions from mine. But I do feel very sorry for you. I would hate to be in your skin. For it’s not about the issues you state, but the attitude and gile that your pour out.

Wow Dave…you make me sound as if i’m a TP supporter…..

Hang in there Flashy.

You at least have compassion Dave is standing with the fascists and they know their game is up. That’s why he is so angry and frantic in his attacks.

The era of greed and competition is coming to an end. It’s now time for sharing and cooperation.

And what kind of morality is that Dave?

Well let’s see, exterminate the indians, slavery, keeping women down, child labor, sexual discrimination, gender discrimination, war on the poor, religious discrimination, invading other countries and killing civilians.

It seems to me that it was always the progressives who fought the conservatives no matter what time period so that the lot of mankind would be improved and you would all get to enjoy it as well.

Good Eric. The more you speak, the more the readers can see that you are just a manipulative Progressive, who can’t debate with facts, so must use adolescent manipulative techniques.
What is the Hallmark of Progressives? Big Government of course. Who was instrumental in killing the Indians? Big Government of course.
And how do you Progressives eliminate Slavery, Eric, by enslaving other people like Progressives always do?
Nobody I’ve ever known has kept women down except the women themselves and Big Government by stifling Free Markets where anybody with the drive and ambition can succeed.
And child labor was disappearing naturally in this country as capitalism boosted our economy. The Unionists used child labor as a rallying cry because children don’t join Unions and are willing to work for lesser wages, so they were competition for the Unionists. The Unionists were just looking out for themselves, using the Children, like Progressives always do, to further their own selfish desires.
Discrimination? Big Government has increased that by favoring special classes of people and causing resentment among the unfavored classes.
Religious discrimination? Pardon me while I laugh at a Progressive feigning concern for Religious people.
Yep, we shouldn’t be militarily campaigning around the world. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. But without the Federal Reserve, and the Income Tax, the Government would not have been able to afford all that meddling. Guess who promoted the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax laws? Yep, Progressives.
For those who are nauseous from Eric’s conjecture and would like some reality:
http://mises.org/daily/1259

It is comical to me that Eric would feign concern for child labor, while at the same time the Progressives that he champions are creating a gargantuan debt load for the children and they didn’t even get a vote in the matter.

The government didn’t take the lion share of your money and you know it. The banksters did that and they bought the government to help them. That’s the free market you are so in love with Dave. Yes the free market can always be trusted to do the right thing. Fascism!

…so says the self proclaimed “progressive”(code word for commie/socialist/fascist)Eric the Red.

Eric the Red…question for ya’? Do you identify yourself with the “99%”?

Don’t forget Glenn Beck DaveH!

Eric, in his fanatical desire to take other peoples’ money, apparently hasn’t caught on that Corruption Flows as Government Grows.
And it has nothing to do with Free Markets, Ignoramus Eric. You really don’t have a clue, do you Eric? Without Government intervention in the Marketplace, the companies who pleased the consumers (that includes banks) would be the ones who thrived. The only way unscrupulous companies can succeed is by hiding behind Government regulations, quotas, tariffs, subsidies, and other forms of protection by their Crony Politicians.
But then, being a “well-read” guy you surely already know that. So, the only conclusion I can come to is that you do already know it and are just spreading misinformation to keep your place in line at the trough.

That is what is wrong with Republicans. They think because we are a Republic only they are allowed to vote and they will make darn sure that only a select few will do so. They’ll eventually get the voting laws changed to keep more people out of the voting booths. These new laws have less to do with fraud and more to do with shrinking the ranks of Democrats.

It is important to point out the difference between a republic and a democracy. In a republic , the rights of individuals are to be protected. The government shall make no laws that infringe upon individuals regardless of what the majority wants. In a democracy, the majority rules. This country has moved toward democracy with the bleeding hearts insisting that we support all the dead beats because it’s the “right” thing to do. It doesn’t matter if “I” don’t think it’s the right thing to do or not. I am forced to go along. Our founding fathers understood that this would happen. They set up our country as a republic so that the majority couldn’t take our rights away from us. Our government has run roughshod over the constitution and tried to convince the people that we were meant to be a democracy. Once you can force people to accept that which they don’t believe in, it’s only a short step to “collectivism” in which you can make the decisions for them because you are so much wiser than they are. This is exactly why our forefathers created a republic to begin with.

Eddie,
Why are you trying to make this a Partisan issue, when you know damn well that both parties have been infiltrated with Big Government Progressives?

DaveH, in the 2+ years he’s been here he’s learned very little, perhaps closer to nothing. Why would he not?

Some things just can’t be fixed!

Wrong again as usual. Blame your BS on progressives when you know full well or at least your subconscious must know that it’s fascist pretend conservative behavior that has brought us to this point. The obscene marriage or alliance of business buying their way in our government. And knowing that the game is almost up the greedy bastards are racing to get as much as they can before it all blows up.

When you embrace Libertarianism, Eric, then I will believe that you are really concerned about Fascists. The Progressive agenda demands Big Government because people would not willingly adopt their agenda. You enable the Fascists, Eric. But apparently you are either too ignorant to recognize that reality, or you are on the side that is riding on the other peoples’ backs.

“Then They Came For ME”
They came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew,
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.
Martin Niemoller, German intellectual, writing about the Nazi takeover of Germany prior tp WWII

Never Forget

April 19, 2012

“Let this be written for a future generation,
that a people not yet created may praise the LORD:
‘The LORD looked down from his sanctuary on high,
from heaven he viewed the earth,
to hear the groans of the prisoners
and release those condemned to death.’” — Psalm 102:18–20

It’s human nature to avoid talking about unpleasant topics. The more serious the topic, the more uncomfortable we feel in discussing it. And when it comes to something as horrific as the Holocaust, we often are at a loss as to how to treat such an overwhelming and sensitive topic.

Indeed, there are those who invoke the Holocaust too frequently and those who do not talk of it enough; those who speak of it appropriately, and those who do so insensitively; those who wish to forget about the past and those who seek to learn from it; those who use the Holocaust to their own advantage, and those who are humbled by its magnitude.

When it comes to the Holocaust, it is essential that we never forget. All Jews today consider themselves Holocaust survivors since Hitler’s plan was genocidal – to eradicate the entire Jewish nation. All Jews bear an awesome responsibility of telling the story of that painful and dark time in our history. We cannot allow history to repeat itself simply because we failed to convey the horrors to future generations. That’s why the stories of eyewitnesses are so important.

When one American doctor arrived at a concentration camp in Buchenwald, he walked through the barracks for the first time. He heard a voice and turned around and saw a “living skeleton” talking to him. The doctor said it was a strange feeling talking to a skeleton that talked back.

These are the kinds of stories that we cannot afford to forget, not for ourselves and not for our offspring. They convey, in vivid detail, what the eyewitnesses saw and experienced. But stories do not merely convey history; they convey moral value. A Jewish woman who was at Auschwitz said that whenever Allied planes flew overhead, she and the other Jewish prisoners prayed that they would bomb the gas chambers, “even if it meant we might be killed.” They were willing to give their lives to save others.

It’s important to convey both history and moral value to future generations. That’s why God’s word reminds us and warns us to pass it on: “Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them” (Deuteronomy 4:9).

Consider what you can do today to remember the Holocaust and to pass on these stories to the next generation so that we will never forget.

With prayers for shalom, peace,

Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein
President

Tweedle Dum / Tweedle Dee:

Forget the party politics!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1inSAN5EyYs

Take a break and listen to the truth: Ed. Griffin will lay it out for you!

You don’t really think the Liberals have a long enough attention span to listen to that, do you, Javamann?

Y-A-W-N…B-O-R-I-N-G and repetitious!

In eddie’s mind he has this thing about Republican, Conservative and Libertarian…call it eddie “speak” and each of those word’s are interchangeable and can easily replace the other in any of his comments.

What about Freddie Mac and Fannie’s executives who stole hundreds of millions and are now on The Kings financial adviser payrolls!!!

Thank you Javamann!!! I know I probably don’t have to tell you how much useless information you have to sift through trying to study this subject. Every now and then you come across a true gem and this video is one, and an excellent video for the person who is just becoming curious as to what is truly happening in our world!!! Let’s face it until you see and truly understand the implications of this subject, it is extremely BORING! One of the reasons it”s been so easy to conceal. One of the things that I’ve discovered in my studies is that their signs and symbols are sacred and thus a dead give away as to the presence of their existance! One of the things held most sacred to this society is their architecture, because knowledge is one of their gods,if you will, and now look at the architecture of various state and world capitals, do ya notice a simularity?!! As a matter of fact if you study the signs and symbols, you’ll be amazed at the number of places that you’ll start to notice them! A good book on this subject is “The Secret Architecture Of Our Nation’s Capital” by David Ovason, so good that the society has put out an entire web site to debunk the book!!!

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/washington_dc/washington_dc.html

Thanks again Javamann! GOOD LOOKIN’ OUT BRO!!! I truly believe that it is this society that is spoken of in the Bible as being the kingdom of the anti-Christ which will be forever destroyed with the brightness of His Second Coming!!! So keep your eyes on the skies, cause JESUS IS COMIN’! He loves y’all and so do I!!!
I’m joining FFI immediately! I’ve seen that speaker somewhere before but can’t put my finger on it, maybe on a TV show or something.

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe that they are free.”
Goethe

The straw that broke the camels’s back in my humble opinion is when our auto industry dropped the ball and allowed imports to outshine and outperform American made automobiles because they wouldn’t spend the prophets nessesary to do so. Now I know that a lot of you far-right idiots, and y’all are every bit as bad as the far-left idiots, throw all the blame on the UAW but I worked at the Ford Motor Co. at the end of the Carter Administration,I saw how things got done, EVERY corner was being cut in favor of the almighty bottom line! And the people with money in this country, we called ‘em Yuppies at the time, thought it was posh to drive Volvos and Saabs, while lower income earners were turning to the Japanese makes because of their fuel economy and the plain old simple fact that you could count on them to start every morning when ya put the key in the ignition!
We need to be in prayer for our Japanese friends and our world also if some of the reports I’ve heard comin’ out of Fuchishima are accurate and I don’t know why they wouldn’t be!

http://newsblogged.com/fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-reactor-latest-news-real-time-updates

I’m sorry, W.A.R,, but this is one of your lamest posts. As anyone who has followed current events for the last 80 years knows, the Democrats never vote in lock step! There have always been “Blue Dogs” or “Dixiecrats”, ever since the the Democrats became the majority party in 1932. The rest of the blot was merely a demonstration of conservative’s uncanny ability to read other people’s minds and to tell the future.

What planet are you currently residing on Tom? You think the UAW didn’t have anything to do with the demise of the American auto industry? Talk about in denial. It was a combination of the UAW and lousy management on the part of the big 3 that led to this mess. Instead of standing up to the ever more ridiculous demands of the UAW, management chose to stick it to the consumer by “cutting those corners” you mentioned. After all, they had 90% of the market in this country so as long as the big 3 greased the greedy union the car buyer really had no choice but to buy their sh–ty products. NOT. They were exposed by the Japanese, and the rest is history.

By the way, you can hang a good bit of the current crisis of health care on the UAW as well. When they ran out of wage demands they started on benefits (not just the nutty guaranteed pensions at age 45 or something) but the actual medical benefits. 100% coverage was demanded and that type of benefit design trickled into the rest of American industry trying to compete for labor (which at that time was scarce). The result is we created a citizenry of ignorant uniformed users of healthcare with no clue as to what medical services actually cost.

Yeah, big unions are really admirable aren’t they?

speedle, I said nothing of the sort, WE as a collective unit management and labor dropped the ball and let our overseas competitors not only take over the market but to also come into our own country and take over the industry!!! I, LIKE YOU, feel that there is plenty of blame to go around and I as an auto-worker from that time period will take mine! I used to roll at least nine or so joints to take to work for breaks and usally always spent lunch at the lounge RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD from the Louisvlle Assembly Plant! But as I was sayin’ earlier, assembly line work is so much more tolarable when you’re comfortably numb! I know it’s no excuse but it’s all I got!!!

“The result is we created a citizenry of ignorant uniformed users of healthcare with no clue as to what medical services actually cost.”

How do you justify an $8.00 asprin?

The “cost ” of medical care went up in large part because of the GREED of insurance companies and their bad investments. When they bought stocks that went down they increased rates.

OTHER countries have Universal Health Care and their car companies aren’t hit with health care AT ALL. Doesn’t that make much more sense for America? Oooooooh, I get it, you want to DENY health care to people.

Clue: Denying health care isn’t “pro-life.”

Rob

Okay Tom, we seem to be in the same general consensus on what happened to the auto industry. I apologize if I misinterpreted your position.

Robert Smith, on the other hand, has no idea what he is talking about.

“The “cost ” of medical care went up in large part because of the GREED of insurance companies and their bad investments. When they bought stocks that went down they increased rates.”

That sounds like some crap that might come out of a Democrat propaganda release. Please connect the dots for us as to how “greed” by the industry that finances the health care expenses (losses) causes the expenses to increase. Wow, if this works maybe I can get my clients to pay more for my services if I go Las Vegas and lose a bundle. I am sure they would understand.

That’s not the way it works Robert, especially not in the health insurance business. Health insurance carriers react to increases in underwriting losses. You see, the people who pay premiums to these “GREEDY” insurance companies are really not interested in their investments. They will take their business to a competitor instead. In any case if “GREED” is what worries you then you should promote those who want to create an environment that promotes free market competition. That is the only Rx for what you call greed.

Clue: Denying Obamacare is not the same as denying healthcare and, in fact is just the opposite. Unfortunately, false dilemmas abound when it comes to views on healthcare.

No..I do not think unions or the tax rates have anything to do with the deindustrialization of this Nation.

And as for the remainder of your post…great idea, let’s do nothing and let the problem grow.

The way I see it Mary is, are our unions corrupt? Why of course they are! How could they, and why should they be any different from anything else in the land of the almighty dollar?!! Let us never forget the workin’ conditions of the early 20th century (The sweat shops and the child labor practices!) that brought about the need for collective bargaining! People are human beings and not machines to be used and then disguarded like some old broken down piece of machinery!!! If you’ve ever had the PLEASURE of wokin’ on an assembly line, you’ve Henry Ford to thank for that dehumanizing exsperience! I also believe that everyone should exsperience that pleasure before they start to criticize auto workers about how much pay and benefits they recieve! I hear a lot of that while I don’t hear any critcizim about how much is spent on advertisers, research and developement (Which I’d like to fairly say has drastically improved over the years!) managerial pay, etc.! The UAW isn’t the only pup at the teet here!!! Thus the need for collective bargaining!

Flashman doesn’t think the Coercive Unions, or the fact that Government spends over 40% of our GDP, has anything to do with our companies leaving. So what else would we expect from a Big Government shill?
And much of that money is spent to further hobble our businesses with costly regulations.
I don’t get it. Why wouldn’t our Business Owners enjoy the abusive treatment? Duh.

Union Members earn 29% more than non-union workers. And that’s not all. Workers in a union have greater access to healthcare, retirement and leave benefits. The right to organize and bargain collectively ensures that working Americans get a fair shot at the American Dream. That’s the Union difference.

Give yourself a raise, join a union. God bless the American Union workers.

Or would you rather work for less and let the CEOs and bosses get all the perks!

“you’ve Henry Ford to thank for that dehumanizing exsperience…”

Actually Henry Ford understood the problem very well and paid his workers a relatively huge sum over what other manufacturers were giving their workers: “In 1914, Henry Ford started an industrial revolution by more than doubling wages to $5 a day—a move that helped build the U.S. middle class and the modern economy.” That can be found at: http://corporate.ford.com/news-center/press-releases-detail/677-5-dollar-a-day

Amazing! He doubles wages and made MORE money. Isn’t it amazing that MBAs work so hard to cut things that they are more responsible for flops than anyone else. It takes a qualified enthusastic worker to make a great product, NOT someone who is in an environment that is cut to the bone.

Ben and Jerry are a more contemporary embodiment of treating workers fairly and still making a pile of money.

And! America will be better if her people are treated fairly with universal health care like other modern countries. We have the best health care available, but overall we are on par with Cuba. Sheesh, something is wrong with that picture. Horribly wrong.

Rob

Yeah Robert, Henry Ford probably deserved a Nobel Peace Prize more than Barack did, Hitler and his Third Reich would’ve never made it as far as they did without the support of Henry Ford and the Ford Motor Co.!!! Such a great guy!

http://washparkprophet.blogspot.com/2012/04/henry-ford-nazi-sympathizer.html

Eric says — “Union Members earn 29% more than non-union workers. And that’s not all. Workers in a union have greater access to healthcare, retirement and leave benefits. The right to organize and bargain collectively ensures that working Americans get a fair shot at the American Dream. That’s the Union difference”.
Sure they earn more. And who do you think loses when they do? The non-unionized workers and those who lost their jobs due to cutbacks as a result of the Unionists’ higher wages. And the consumers who must pay more for shoddier products.
On top of that, they typically achieve that higher pay by using coercive methods which most of us would be thrown in Jail for, but the immoral Unionists can get away with it thanks to the Government protecting them, and/or looking the other way when they commit their crimes.
Read chapter one to learn more:
http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

I know the Progressives think there is a Free Lunch. But the reality of Progressivism is weak economies. Of course, they will tell you that this time it’s going to be different. They will keep repeating the same failed policies over and over again expecting differ results this time. Sure.

That’s the whole point Vigilant. Reagan had some great accomplishments and some great failures like every President including President Obama.

The air must be REALLY thin where you live in order for you to actually believe the myth that Reagan ended the cold war. He contributed, yes. However many people contributed to ending the cold war well before Reagan became president. And Gorbachev had at least as much to do with it as Reagan even during Reagan’s tenure . The economy? I suppose it depends on what color your glasses are. I think mine are fairly clear. And what I see is the Reagan adminstration was the beginning of run away federal budget deficits and the destruction of the middle class. Other than that, he was a decent president. At least he wasn’t the worst in my lifetime. That spot is duley awarded to my fellow Texan, George W Bush.

That is one of the dumbest comments I have heard in a while.Every Conservative thinks the cold war ended when Reagan said “tear down that wall” in reality Communism itself ended the cold war.The tear down comment was just as effective against the cold war as Nancy saying “just sy No to drugs”.How is that working for yah.You want prosperity bring back a Clinton.

Vig…hate ta tell you this, but the USSR was falling as Reagan took office. Under any president, it would have fallen. It went through three Politcuro heads in less than three years and was going to go in any event by the time Reagan took office. he just ahpened to be in office to take the credit. The fall of the USSR didn’t occur overnight y’know…

Vigilant, you bring out the best in comments. Just look at the facts that Gorbackev caused the ecomonical fall of the Russian empire. With his terrible communist views, Russia had financial problem from not having enoungh income to pay there debt. Something happen to cause the communist block to fall, and those countries contributing to the communist bankruptcy was governed by Russia. Jopa is more right than we think, except for the reasoning of what caused the financial ruin of the Russian empire. Jopa’s life was manifected by the Clinton progressive social products, but Jopa may have missed the ecomonic changes caused by the Clinton era of control of the American communist leadership. For sure the housing financial laws has contributed to the downfall of the American way of life, or should I say our pocketbooks? If communism brought down the Russian empire, will it bring down the American empire? For sure, Mr. Kennedy was trying to help the communist leadership.

I personally liked the “Trash pile of history.” Comment!

All you fellow travelers should know two things–one, the Saudis brought down the Russian economy by pricing the Russians out of the market (your heroes, I suppose) and Bolshevik socialism you guys seem to prefer (Flashy, et al) does not work if it can’t keep an oligarchy in power–that ’1%’ you guys are always referring to, including Bush, Obama, Clinton, Soros, etc., etc. When are you folks gonna learn that it’s not Republicans versus Democrats but us versus them…the have not’s versus the haves! We have a one party system here that has taxpayers surrounded like a circular firing squad. The quibbling in Washington is the faux moral dilemma that diverts us from our loss of freedom.

Reagan did the best that he could considering the fact that he was surrounded by Big Government Progressives, even in his own party. He did veto 78 Spending Bills, but the rabid Spendthrift Congress overrode 9 of the vetoes.

If indeed “Communism itself ended the cold war” as Vigilant claims (and I would partly agree), then why are liberals so hell-bent on duplicating Soviet communist debt? Not to mention other fundamentally unsustainable aspects of communism. It looks like they WANT to crash the system. But for what? Another shot at unsustainable communism?? “Gee, let’s hamstring the country so that I can shoot myself in the foot!”

Vigilant, I like it. The board libs go directly on the attack, as if you said Reagan “ended” the Cold War”. Imagine that?

“Stupid is as stupid does”…Thank you Forrest Gump!

They’re always a day late and a dollar short anyway! Can’t wait for you to “school” them…again.

Amen JeffH! And like the comedian Ron White said, ya just can’t fix it!!!

Tom W., ah yes…Ron White was right!

Posted: “If Reagan had died before becoming president, we’d still be in the grips of a Cold War with The USSR. Moreover, we would have foregone the longest period of prosperity in the history of the USA”

It was simply time for Russia to fall. Reagan had little to do with it but taking credit for it.

Some of it was a “state’s rights” issue: “Several Soviet Socialist Republics began resisting central control, and increasing democratization led to a weakening of the central government. The USSR’s trade gap progressively emptied the coffers of the union, leading to eventual bankruptcy. ” That’s from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Soviet_Union_(1982%E2%80%931991)

So, is Russia better after the break-up? Would America be any better broken? Sara’s husband thinks so.

Rob

For states that are not irreversibly debt-burdened or dependent upon federal handouts with strings, it depends on how repressive the national government becomes relative to the freedoms still enjoyed in the states. For those who aren’t, things could be better with a states rights agenda. For those who are, it doesn’t matter; they’re already lost.

Scott,
The answer to your question is simple. The Leaders are looking out for themselves. As long as they have their Power and Perks, they could care less about the rest of us.
Look to Cuba or North Korea for proof of that. The problem most of us have is that it seems illogical that they would lead their countries into poverty. But that’s because we’re moral, and behave logically. They don’t. As long as they’re on top, they’re happy.

OMG! Another four years of Carter and we would’ve been a third word country!!!

Get him Dan!!!

So now you are blaming Obama for doing what Bush wanted?

Rob

Blame both of them. Two wrongs don’t make a right and doubling down on Bush blunders is an unforgivable and independent offense by Obama. It’s not left vs. right. It’s us vs. them, and both Bush and Obama are “them.”

What is it you don’t understand about greedy corporations sending jobs off shore?

Rob

Tell ‘em BERNADINE!!!

Easy DaveH, the ignorant liberals aren’t very capable of absorbing a rational comment…they’re liable to go “emotional” on you.

You have any sources for those claims? (lol) The extent of your education (3rd grade level at best) is exposed. Oh wait..i forgot, you don’t need to source anyting other than refer to Mises and it’s articles you haven’t read.

DaveH, and then falsy chimes in with that hypicritical “do you have any sources” krap?

DUH, as falsy so often says, look it up yourself!

The free market has been middled and ravaged by progressive warfare RINOs, with their crony capitalism, and progressive welfare liberals, with their socialist redistribution agenda, for so long that neither side makes sense. Unfortunately, the false left-right paradigm has confounded politics, academia and, yes, even this blog.

For the CEO’s of these huge corporations to allow the labor jobs to go overseas where workers have no rights, human or otherwise, they are no better than the plantation owners of the pre-Civil War days and WE as a people should be ashamed of ourselves for purchasing these products and supporting these EVIL regimes!!! We’re digging our own grave and our enemies are laughing all the way to the bank!!! What a WICKED web we weave!

Flashman,
Anybody above an Idiot IQ could figure it out. But then, I guess that leaves you out.

Tom,
How can you feign concern for the foreign workers’ conditions, and then advocate putting them out of work by not buying foreign products?
Please read this book and learn something about Capitalism. You’re treading dangerously close to the Liberal side:
http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

Whenever WE the People purchase products that are made in a foriegn country that affords their workers no kind of rights at all, human or otherwise, some of these workers are paid the equivilent of $14 a day and are housed in more or less a cage in detestable living conditions!!! We SHOULD be going into these countries trying to free these people!!! Not padding our portfolios with the profits made by exploiting them!!! We the People have became stingy with the American Dream DaveH!!! We aren’t supposed to take the second most precious gift, right behind the life of His Son, that God has blessed us with Dave, that gift of FREEDOM and keep it to ourselves! I believe that we are COMMANDED to share that FREEDOM by doing EVERYTHING in our POWER to cause that FREEDOM to spread!!! You can not make excuses for condoning that practice DaveH!

“No man can put a chain about the ancle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck.” – Frederick Douglas

I agree 100% with your assessment Vig!

It good to see all that money spent on a “Creative Writing class” wasn’t a complete waste.

While not bothering to view the clip, speaking poorly of the dead is beneath my principals, I was amused by the pretense for the clip, for indeed Ted Kennedy’s untimely demise did indeed placed the DNC and Obama at a great disadvantage at a critical time. Then too, this was followed by the shooting of congresswoman Gilford that had a negative effect in congress as well.

After all of this, the DNC and Obama has still managed to move the ball and make substantial gains while the GOP has attempted to stop any and all instinctive and gridlock government on the Federal level.

Wayne Allyn Root, while it will be a slug-fest, 44 will enjoy a second term and will continue to be your President. So you might think about changing the batteries in your Crystal Ball.

Mitt Romney is a leaky bucket to place all your hopes and dreams in. I really don’t believe that the GOP actually wants the JOB. If they did, they would offer us a serious contender.

Gloating a little soon aren’t we Deer?!

He screwed everyone he came in contact with! How about him and the CROOK Dodd, screwing the waitress under the restaurant table in DC!

You said that right Mary! He’s the closest thing that MA has to offer, and as Wayne pointed out, it TURNED the tide just in the nick of time, it was like that great stand off in the Bible when the Assyrians under Sennacherib were outside the walls of Jerusalem threatening to destroy the city and ALL seemed lost for the ancient capital of the Jewish people when suddenly and MYSTERIOUSLY over night the entire invading force simply perished!

Now in the fourteenth year of king Hezekiah did Sennacherib king of Assyria come up against all the fenced cities of Judah, and took them.
2 Kings 18:13

“Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it. By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the LORD. For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David’s sake. And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses. So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh. And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead.”
2 Kings 19:32-37

Coincidence?!

Mary:

Remember the “Waitress Sandwich” he and fellow criminal Chris Dodd made in the Capital Hll dining room? Democrap women must be absolute morons if they believe the reprobate was “for” them.

Posted: ” singing in Spanish to his Amigos that he couldn’t get amnesty fast enough for,”

In 1986 Ronald Reagan gave AMNESTY to a bunch. Who hires those illegals… Big business!

Check it out at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfHKIq5z80U

Rob

He may have done that Robert, but doesn’t Obama want to give amnesty to more than twenty million illegals? That is more then were here during Reagan’s tenure in office. I do’nt believe in amnesty, just let them go through immigration like I did. My first visa was a student visa and I attended U.C. Berkley. If they can’t go through the system, them let them go back to their native country and try to change things there. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Of course, if you want THE PEOPLE, you know the 98%, to be treated fairly you WILL support her.

If you want the same old same old with the oil companies making record money and the 1% not being taxed much then go with the crap offered by the extreme right.

It’s really that simple.

Rob

Robert Smith,
Which one is you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb-Mr4SgEkw&feature=related

The idea that Elizabeth Warren represents the views of 98% of the American people, or stated another way, that 98% of the American people support Warren’s extreme socialist redistribution agenda is preposterous. Political party membership numbers and incessantly published poll results of the views of Republicans and Independents, let alone some right-thinking Democrats, illustrate the folly of this kind of thinking. Warren is a fringe wacko who panders to, and can only be loved by, progressive liberals in MA, unions, academia or fringe groups like OWS.

Could you please cite the source of the information you have posted Rob? If you think the top money earners don’t pay much taxes, what about the fifty percent of Americans that pay no taxes at all? Please look at both sides of the issue before posting unfounded rants. Just think, in 2010 I thought that some of the things you posted were interesting to a point, but I have since then figured out what you are really about. The enslaving the people to a very big and getting bigger government. Sorry Rob, but I’ll take a smaller government as my choice. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

“what about the fifty percent of Americans that pay no taxes at all?”

We’ve been though this before Mrs. Young. You are speaking of Federal income tax only, there are two key words there “Federal” and “income” . There is 325 or so million Americans made up of men, women and children. They don’t all earn an income. They are too young, too old, too sick, unemployed, greatly underemployed, incarcerated.

It’s really not that hard to understand why 50% of Americans pays no federal income taxes. I know that it sounds like a flaming injustice to hear but that’s just the way it is.

But I’d say that it’s completely impossible to pay “no taxes”, you can’t eat, drive, talk on the telephone, live in a house, go to the movie without paying taxes. Everybody pays taxes.

He said that?

Yes he has Dave!

Sorry to leave ya hangin’ like that DaveH! My bad man!!!
Obama
If he is re-elected in 2012, the US is finished. The following is in simple language that everyone can understand. Not the gibberish that our government keeps telling people. Please read this carefully and make sure you keep this message going. This needs to be emailed to everyone in the USA ..

OBAMA’S COLLEGE CLASSMATE SPEAKS OUT
By Wayne Allyn Root , June 6th, 2010

Barack Hussien Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he’s doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within. Barack Hussien Obama was my college classmate ( Columbia University , class of ’83). He is a devout Muslim do not be fooled. Look at his Czars…anti-business..anti- American. As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Barack Hussien Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University .. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they’re alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions).

Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government . Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama’s biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions toObama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama “spread the wealth around.”

Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who’s asking for a 51st state? Who’s asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Barack Hussien Obama’s plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.

Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America . But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions — including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America.

The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).

Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussien Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you’ve got the perfect Marxist scheme — all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussien Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan!

“Correctly attributed” says snopes- except that Wayne Root never was (nor did he claim to be) a classmate of Obama, they just attended the same school at the same time!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp

“Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government.”

yea well, ~ I always wanted to bonk Nicole Kiddman.

The primary effect of the tax changes over the course of Reagan’s term in office was a change in the composition of tax revenue, towards payroll and new investment, and away from higher earners and capital gains on existing investments.

Federal revenue share of GDP declined from 19.6% in fiscal 1981 to 17.3% in 1984, before climbing back to 18.4% by fiscal year 1989. Personal income tax revenues fell during this period relative to GDP, while payroll tax revenues rose relative to GDP. President Ronald Reagan’s 1981 cut in the top regular tax rate on unearned income reduced the maximum capital gains rate to only 20%–its lowest level since the Hoover administration.

This tax benefits the wealthy, however, in 1986 President Reagan set tax rates on capital gains at the same level as the rates on ordinary income like salaries and wages, with both topping out at 28 percent.

Reagan significantly increased public expenditures, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); most of those years military spending was about 6% of GDP, exceeding this number in 4 different years. All these numbers had not been seen since the end of U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War in 1973.

In 1981, Reagan significantly reduced the maximum tax rate, which affected the highest income earners, and lowered the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50%; in 1986 he further reduced the rate to 28%. The federal deficit fell from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987. The Federal deficit in Reagan’s final budget fell to 2.9% of GDP.[2] The rate of growth in Federal spending fell from 4% under Jimmy Carter to 2.5% under Ronald Reagan.

As a short-run strategy to reduce inflation and lower nominal interest rates, the U.S. borrowed both domestically and abroad to cover the Federal budget deficits, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.

This led to the U.S. moving from the world’s largest international creditor to the world’s largest debtor nation.

Reagan described the new debt as the “greatest disappointment” of his presidency.

It was the timing of the whole thing that was, dare I say it, MIRACULOUS DaveH!!!

DaveH
I call things like I see them, Wayne called Scott Brown a Republican. I think that’s an inacurate description
You are always the first to say that choosing the lessor of two evils leaves you stuck with evil. Scott Brown is the “Republican In Name Only” poster boy, there is not a finer example.

As for Wayne and his University attendance, When Obama claims to have sat in Rev. Wright’s church for twenty years without knowing what he was really about was an insult to our inteligence.
Mr. Root is now asking us to believe a similar scenario. I have enjoyed Mr. Root’s comments up to this point, but this new
developement gives me pause. I know plenty of Columbia alumni that
managed to escape without a hammer and sickle tattooed on their
forehead, let’s hope he’s one of them. Because Columbis is an assembly line churning out little commies faster than you can say “Do svidaniya”.

As for Ted, I saw him in action many times in the late seventies in O’Hara’s night club on North County Rd. in Palm Beach. After harassing, nearly assaulting every woman at the bar, he would stop only because he had reached his inebrial saturation point and could no longer keep his legs under himself. At this point, well trained Palm Beach Police for whom this had become routine, would then heap him drooling and urinating simutaneously into a squad car for delivery to the family mansion on Ocean Blvd.

Are you saying that Scott Brown is a RINO, Micheal? I know he has lied about his stance on abortion, so I have no confidence in him. Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

TIME, I think Teddy was the “Kennedy that couldn’t”!

“Mr. Brown is as worthless as – well a ten day old bag of road apples.”

Really? Send them there road apples to me. They are the foundation for some great flowers and other things that grow.

I find it amazing that those who ignore the basics and go for greed seem to forget the bounty of good that can come, even from things THEY don’t think are worth much.

Rob

Hi Jeff,

I met young John Kennedy many years ago, he was a very fine you man.
But saddly his uncle Teddy was and will remain a stain on this nation’s history, as I noted he was but a symptom of this nations ills.

Hope all is well with you Jeff, I will send you a few funny emails later today when I get some time I am sure you will LYAO…

Peace and Love

Mr. Smith,

Yet again your into the literal meaning – rather than the symbology of the statment I made.

We have two horses of what we do in fact use the waste for GOOD in our gardens – yes you are correct they make flowers grow very well and bets of all its nearly free if one can say that based on the cost of owning horses.

Peace and Love

TIME, things are going as well as can be expected given the circumstance we all face daily. I know you’ve been pretty busy and I always look forward to new info…and pass it along accordingly.

Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight.

Wouldn’t their father Joseph Kennedy be a blot on their name? Wasn;t he a nazi sympothiser and lost his job in England for being such? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Old Henry,
I doubt Wayne will make an offer, so I’m probably stuck with it. Besides, I’m practicing hang’en ten on my board in expectation of some righteous gnarly waves, Dude!

Hey Tom……………..learn to spell please………..it’s hard enough to follow your slow moving train of thought without having to decipher the words!!

maggie, who cares? That you’re slow is not our concern.

maggie, maggie, maggie:

It’s not Tom. It’s his keeybord.

Oh, and speaking of spelling, Maggie is a proper nown and should be capitalized.

Hey maggie, bite me!!! Did i spell that correctly enough for ya to follow along without to much stress on your little lemming head! It’s so messy when one of y’all blow!!! BOOM!

Sorry Maggie, but I don’t think Tom’s thinking is slow. If itm is too slow for you to understand, then maybe yours is the slower thinking. You are right Tom, he did get away with murder because of his family name. His spelling also does not matter, but isn’t it the points he is making that are important? Thank you.

Sook Young
Wife of the Samurai

Good lookin’ out sook! samurai is truly a blessed man!!! Thank you my friend and fellow patriot!

I only saw one word spelled incorrectly. Maggie must be mentally challenged. I understood what you were saying without any problem. Maggie is a spelling troll.

The most in along time, I’d say OH!