Well, Tony, the guy said the ratio of black on white crime is 39 to 1, so obviously there has to be some white on black crime. He didn’t say the ratio was 39 to 0 (which wouldn’t be a ratio in any event).

consider the good effects of Darwin

Hey Rafael:
That doesn’t excuse George Zimmerman!! Have a good day now.

Actually, Flashy, in the WIld West, if you had the money to buy it, you COULD carry a gun. In fact, carrying that gun may well keep you alive when that snake under the rock you are approaching makes it known he would rather be left alone, about three steps too late for you to change direction. Most people didn’t carry their long guns into town, although a good number of them were in saddle scabbards or under wagon seats. The one thing you did do was be polite to all you met and hope none of them decided it was time to use you for target practice.

Flashy how do you think we should be able to protect ourselves? With 911? Maybe you do not think we have a right to defend ourselves from these maniacs. The more blacks we have, the more crimes, and especially with the likes of Jackson,and Sharpton prompting, and grooming them to be violent. Get real man! You are an idiot, pure and simple.

‘Should someone be able to take the law into their own hands, be judge, jury and executioner…all without having to legitimize and answer for the action? ‘

Lessee, now…a crazed, rightwing religious zealot shows up at your house flashing his concealed carry permit and tells you he’s going to kill you and do terrible things to your family–try to convert them to Christianity, or something…and you, Flashman, are going to call the police, ask him to justify his actions…and, what, just hope for the best?

I think if you stay home, safe behind the anonymous keys of that keyboard, baiting conservatives–all in good fun, of course–with rhetoric and zero facts…well, you’ll be safe, Flashy. Come out of hiding and try to redistribute people’s property and take their inalienable rights away and I’d hate to have to predict your fate.

“Lessee, now…a crazed, rightwing religious zealot shows up at your house flashing his concealed carry permit and tells you he’s going to kill you and do terrible things to your family–try to convert them to Christianity, or something…and you, Flashman, are going to call the police, ask him to justify his actions…and, what, just hope for the best?”

Naw…i’d invite ‘em in for a beer, and discuss the current events to where they get depressed and put themselves out of their misery … then i’d send the clean up bill to the widow who’s probably smiling and laughing having a good time ‘grieving” whilst spending the insurance money at a Club med somewhere…

Now you’re talking, Flashy…er…is that ‘Dreamy’?

Yeah, we all know what Saddam didn’t have by the time we got there to search for them, but it is also common knowledge that he DID have and use chemical weapons not all that long before we went in. And, if he didn’t have anything, why was he so dead set against allowing anyone in to see that there was nothing there? Had he done that one simple thing, he could well still have been running the country.

Sorry Chester, the NRA are part of the problem. They use fear to gain members and insert boogeymen where none exist. They say you need a gun to protect yourselves from the gov that YOU elect. They went from a sensible organization to a “sky is failling” extremist organzation so Wayne La Pierre can have his lavish lifestyle.

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson

“… to disarm the people is the most effective way to enslave them…” – George Mason

“Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion…in private self-defense.” – John Adams

“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence.” – George Washington.

2war,

Do you realize our Gov has WMD’s, Aircraft Carriers, Battletanks, Aircraft, Missiles etc?

Do you also realize you vote for your representatives?

Do you live in this much fear of gov everyday?

The “government ” has all these things, but the people who operate them, unlike politicians, actually meant it when they swore to defend the Constitution. They are unlikely to permit themselves to become the tools of oppression. Concerning your final sentence, I’ve noted that those least able to depend on logic are the first to cast aspersions.

2war,

So you point is what? According to you, we need the guns to defend against tyranny from the gov yet the gov is part of “we the people” that we elect into office. Our military is a volunteer force so are you trying to equate the United States of America with countries like Saudi Arabia?

Again, why do you live in this much fear? You could be living such a better life if you did not.

I don’t “live in fear”, i’m armed and trained. I do dread for the future of my nation and the of my grandchildren if we do not turn from the Marxist/socialist agenda currently being permitted to take hold here.
Incidentally, I’ve spent several years in Saudi Arabia. You can safely walk the streets in any Saudi city.
I do wish you’d but out. I’m tired of being lectured to by someone who has done noting for his country or anyone else during his entire life.

2war,

You know me so well don’t you? You have no clue who I am or what I have done. Just because you are armed and trained, that doesn’t mean you are “scared”.

Your post makes no sense… So Saudi Arabia is a societal model you like? Well… over there women know their places, they have a class system based on the nationalities of the guest workers and keep under control by religious dogma that by the way, advocates death to America and Israel.

I do have a question. Do you know what Marxism/Socialism is? By your statement, you clearly do not.

Yeah Dave, I do know you. You’re one of those self-important folks who thinks he knows enough to tell other people how to live.
you’re shotgunning bits in the hope (forlorn, I know) that something will hit. You want to tell me about Saudi Arabia as though I learned nothing about it when I lived there 1971-72, all of 1979, and 1990-91.
You want my take on political philosophy? I’ll put it in simple terms in the hope you might comprehend. Fascism/Nazism is characterized by private ownership of business and industry, with government control. Marxism/Communism is characterized by government control and ownership of business and industry. These two philosophies aren’t so different, and are basically first cousins, and – most importantly – they are of the Left. What we’re seeing with the current administration is a drive combining the two. Since it is something completely new, it’s fair to call it “Obamunism”.

Well 2Ware,

I am here to tell you do know nothing about me. Even less about communism. (Communism is the group, not the individual owning business and private) property. And if you are going to accuse Obama of communism, you have to back that up with actual facts. You have none….
I do not tell anyone how to live except my children, but I, like you can tell you what I agree or disagree with but its bad when I do it and ok when you do it.
So you saw its safe to walk down the streets at night in Saudi? Well great! When do you move? in Cuba, there are soldiers at every corner so not much crime there either… Is that the model we should strive for? Of course not.

Now you’re just rambling Dave, and going farther afield to do so. If you’re not a typical liberal sycophant you’re providing a good imitation. Arrogance and ignorance make a toxic combination

Eddie, it sounds to me you would like every “Punk Gangbanger”, Like Trayvon, with a proven record, to carry a firearm.

He was not old enough to buy a gun.

GM up, bin Laden down.

’nuff said

Absolutely Amazed: I want to thank you for your truthful information all along I have thought that special; forces had gotten Ben Laden did not know the president was the one to do it.Boy how revealing. Thanks a lot for setting me straight really appreciate that.

Fact is chief, had special forces failed in their attack, who then would you have blamed? It is always the leader who takes responsibility for both success and failure of an order and special forces awaited orders from their superior before attacking and before that superior could give that order, he had to have received the ‘go-ahead’ order from his superior which was most likely Obama (just to shorten the list).. So, responsibility wise.. Obama had gotten Bin Laden.

Yeah, I’ve heard it before. Obama made the “guttsy decision”, a decision that eighty percent of people picked at random from the phone book would have made.
We’ve all seen the famous photo of the White House Operations Room during the raid. Who is that frightened guy cowering against the wall?

2¢ worth… I have heard that obama did not make the decision to go after bin laden. I have heard it was Panetta that made the decision because obama wouldn’t make one he kept flip-flopping on the decision. Don’t know if that is true but i have heard it.

Question asked: “Fact is chief, had special forces failed in their attack, who then would you have blamed? ”

There is already a precident for that.

Jimmy Carter.

Rob

I am not this ‘James’ but he was referring to Matthew 19:18: “Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder…etc.”

What and who will protect me and my loved ones from you? i should be able to rely on the law … but since you’ve decided you should take the law into your own hands…where is MY protection?

Frippin’ lunatic…

But the adolescent who George Zimmermann killed with his pistol, Trayvon Martin, was NOT armed.

“What and who will protect me and my loved ones from you? i should be able to rely on the law … ”

Tell you what flashy you can rely on the law all you want but as for me I cannot carry a policeman around with me 24/7/365 so I will just have to depend on myself for my protection. I have had three occasions when I was glad to have a pistol with me once in home and twice when outside my home.

Flashy,,,here is a news flash for you. Cops come to the scene of a crime. That means AFTER you are shot. Secondly, cops don’t carry guns to protect you. They carry guns to protect themselves. Please protect yourself and family. Stay safe.

What an [offensive word removed] I lived in NEW YORK CITY in the BRONX for 55 years and I don’t carry any weapons and I’ve yet to see these so called wolf packs roaming around preying on the helpless public. It’s fools like you who would be happy to pop a cap in someone’s ass just because of your foolish thought process. I’m not saying there isn’t any crime and in some instances danger to the public out on the street from time to time, but if every ass hole who thought like you carried a gun instead of the proper authorities who by the way are trained to properly access potential trouble and still make mistakes, I guess you would like that better.

You don’t have to be armed to bring lethal force against another person, but if you insist that the attacker must be armed before he may be defeated with lethal force, then I will say that Trayvon Martin was armed. Yes, he was armed. He was armed with a strong pair of hands and a sidewalk into which he was smashing George Zimmerman’s head in an attempt to extract the man’s gray matter from his skull.

The fact that Trayvon was trying to kill George is enough to validate the use of lethal force. One need not consider any other aspect — not the size of the attacker, not the gender of the attacker, not the race of the attacker, not whether he was armed — no, there is no test but whether the attacker was attempting to maim or murder the victim. That is the sole justification for the use of lethal force.

If someone attempts to maim or murder me or my loved ones, I will use lethal force to stop them, and I will not be taking the law into my own hands, I will be taking my life and the lives of my loved ones into my own hands. Too bad for you if you don’t have the balls to keep yourself or your loved ones from being maimed or murdered.

Trayvon Martin was not on welfare and his mother worked so you have him found guilty with unfounded and typical racist remarks.

I am with you Joe! Some of these folks expect the gov. to take care of them under all circumstances. What a bunch of lemmings. Protect yourself, if you wait for the law to show up they could be looking at a corpse. I would have never have thought the U.S.would be so full of whiney, crying A-Holes as it is today.

“I would have never have thought the U.S.would be so full of whiney, crying A-Holes as it is today.”

Pilot, i agree. wish they’d quit whining about the need to compensate for their lack of balls and have to carry a gun around everywhere because they have no frippin’ backbone…

Why is it that when liberals/progressives don’t want something (guns), they don’t want you to have it either. When conservitives want something (guns), they buy them, but if you don’t want one, don’t buy one.

castaway…that’s not accurate about the 2nd. nice try though spewing the standard line of gun totin’ NRA BS

Flashy why don’t you enlighten us about the second amendment since you seem top know all there is to know about everything.

Well Flashy what do you say is the meaning of the 2nd Amendment.

While you are at it why don’t you address the FACT that the police are very rarely present when a crime is being committed. They show up after the fact and fill out reports then try to find someone to prosecute for the crime.

Sigh…once again. the 2nd is not so people can pack around guns for what they prceive to be personal saftey reasons. the 2nd is to protect US from military or governmental takeover. Got it? The Founding Fathers (all of them) didn’t give two cents about personal protection by way of guns. They were concerned that what they just fought a Revolution for wasn’t going to occur again. There is NO Constitutional right to own a gun for personal safety reasons.

Dear Flashy,

You write: “The Founding Fathers (all of them) didn’t give two cents about personal protection by way of guns.” Really?

“Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property… Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”–Thomas Paine

“Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny, or in private self-defense …” –John Adams

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater … confidence than an armed man.” –Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria in On Crimes and punishment (1764).

Best wishes,
Bob

Well Flashy Mr Livingston has done a fine job of presenting an opposing position with supporting documentation where is your supporting documentation to “prove” your position?

Well Flashy I see you still have not addressed the FACT that the police are very rarely present when a crime is being committed. They show up after the fact and fill out reports then try to find someone to prosecute for the crime.

(personal attack removed)

There is only one GOD and that is JESUS CHRIST AND YOU BETTER BELEIVE THAT. ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT I CAN’T STAND.

i don’t think a Catholic would agree with you on that one. So why are you upset ? because folks ask you to keep your god out of any discussion? Besides…i’d wager my god(s) can kick the crap outta your god without even breaking a sweat …

You don’t have one! Who are you kidding.

That is why God belongs in Church… NOT IN GOVERNMENT! But some think Government is God!

castaway…I have several…i could lend you one if you are godless for the moment…

Flashy, could you lend a goddess to the Secret Service? You know, like Charlie Sheen worshiped? If they are holey then the far right won’t get so mad when someone from the administration does it to a girl instead of the entire country like the Bush administration did.

Rob

The same ol’ silly saw from the far left nut-jobs. Give it a break. Or take it somewhere where they might be stupid enough to care. All your phony pity and weeping is truly pathetic.

Good for you Mark. I will take the” good ole days”, over this sh_t hole we now have, where everyone is good, and it will not happen in my lifetime mentality.

Neither my ancestors, for as far back as recorded on either side of my family, or I ever owned a slave of any race, stole any land from anybody, or fit the description of what you described. And we have all had God as our hope. The people you describe were/are not God’s true people. So I ask you to name one government. Just one government from the past or present that has more perfect than the one that our forefathers created. None such government can be named.

if you think about what the rants are here and in the media…the most heated rhetoric is that Zimmerman is being asked to account for his actions. Perhaps the gun lobbyists/industry and the lunatic fringe should be worried about the public scrutiny of the wacked out allowances for allowing everyone to carry at will and be able to take the law into their own hands.

Otherwise, there is no rational reason not to have Zimmerman explain and prove himself.

Flashy unintentially makes a good point. Had young Martin been allowed to have a gun he could have defended himself (presumes he was the victim)

This just goes to show you that gun control gets people killed.

Or the liberals begin a campaign of ‘weeping injustice’ and Zimmerman is persecuted rather than prosecuted out of fear of race riots. The example of the Rodney King fiasco is still fresh on many minds. In that scenario, Zimmerman receives no justice, but becomes a victim of the liberal agenda.

And of course not being manipulated or used by the gun nuts and Stand Your Ground lunatic supporters…

Flashy, they aren’t the ones that created this pathetic show. Why, other than to broaden the agenda, would they even be drug into it. As usual, your leftist/communist leanings blind your vision. Speaking of hidden agendas, you come here spouting your leftist nonsense every day and never say who exactly it is that pays you to be here. This is VERY suspicious in my book. Don’t the communists call that an infiltrator?

MAP…is that what you’re called?

Those are my real world initials. I have nothing to hide. And I am not paid to be here. Nor am I secretive and subversive. Who pays a far-left extremist nut-case to come here and spew propaganda? What sort of orginization would do such a thing? And for what reason? It reminds me of the cloak and dagger days of the cold war.
Who would trust anything someone says when they will not even reveal who pays them to say it. Is the far left addicted to subversion and allergic to disclosure? All the more reason to distrust, fear, and combat it.

Map makes an awful lot of assumptions in his attempt in “trying” to be fair. There are those on the right who also parade around questionable “facts” in garnishing support for their views.

good question. good thing no one is spewing propaganda eh? only facts and rational opinions…

be sure and let us know when someone does come on spewing propaganda….

Look in the mirror mystery man.

So Flashy if I had a really large and strong fist, and was beating you to a pulp, with the intent to kill you, would you pull your gun if you had one to save yourself, then shoot me dead? No wittnesses, but you knew if you did not you would die.

Would you want to be accused of murder, and need a really really good and experienced attorney to defend you, when you cannot afford such attorney? Because in reality, you are guilty until proven innocent. If you cannot afford that fancy attorney, then your goose is really cooked, and you will spend the rest of your life in jail. My GOD, all I did was defend myself, and I need to go through this hell? Yep your are guilty as sin, you killed someone. No matter he was going to kill you.

Remember, you have no right to defend yourself.

“be sure and let us know when someone does come on spewing propaganda….”

Your propaganda spewing has been pointed out many times Flushy the lier who has absolutely no credibility.

Castaway….since i don’t carry a firearm, and in the many years i’ve been breathin’ air never had the need for one…nor have i ever met anyone who had the need for one…your scenario is highly unlikely and improbable.

Be that as it may…first…if i had a firearm and someone was beatin’ the hell outta me? Well…if it was close quarter fighting, the first thing i would do is get rid of the damn thing so he doesn’t have a chance at getting it. And take the beating and try to get away … Dad didnt raise a fool (it takes a lot to beat someone to death…and by that time you’reunconcious and not feeling it anyway).

if I managed to extracate myself and stand back aways to be secure that i could pull it out safely without danger of it being grabbed away? i’d show it..and back away and gt the heck outta there.

but since i don’t pack anythng, and never had the need for it…nor foresee a need for one like some idiot shootin’ up someplace thinking he’s “protecting’ himself…

“Over charge and set the level of conviction high, then have a trial and let Zimmerman legitimize his claim he acted in self defense.”

In other words Zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent. Just the opposite of the way the system is supposed to work.

“Speaking of hidden agendas, you come here spouting your leftist nonsense every day and never say who exactly it is that pays you to be here.”

Spoken like a true deciple of old Tail Gunner Joe.

Tell me, is everyone who disagrees with you “paid” to do so?

BTW, you have NEVER, nor has anyone else proven such a claim to be true.

For example, do you still beat the crap out of your dog so you can serve it to your kids? First, it’s a question. Second, as you have done so many times, it implies that you might do such a thing without any ramifications (except that your lame attempt to discredit another is obvious).

Do you really have anything that contributes to the discussion, or are you all rants and giggles because you “showed” that there “liberal?”

Rob

Rob

Dennis…nope. He is not guilty. He can show he acted appropriately given the circumstances. If he can’t, the charges are warranted.

What SHOULD have happened was the police do their jobs instead of covering up what they could, the DA taking proper evidenciary procedures, and Zimmerman demanding a public inquest if he is so sure of being in the right.

Yoiu and your ilk are the ones who do not want a trial. You have prejudged the outcome of a trial.

Well said. Trayvon was NOT the cute, sweet/mild looking, skinny little kid shown in the photo that his parents released to the media. He was much older and MUCH larger than the five or six year old photo. If Trayvon did, in fact, approach a retreating Zimmerman from behind, then ‘da victim’ was the one who pursued! This ‘little victim’, basically, put himself back into the situation! By the way, this ‘sweet unarmed little kid’ had been suspended from school because ‘burglary tools’ were found in his locker or backpack-among other suspensions. Apparently, the school is racist, too. This could be the ONLY explanation of why they’d suspend such a sweet little kid!!! As far as your comment about being able to tell who is black because they speak without thinking-I have heard tons of highly fecal laden garbage come out of the mouths of some whites and other races! I think that these peoples’ race is more identifiable by how they pick + choose what they believe or ignore, thereby, furthering ‘their case’ when they can and stating their opinions as fact. This is a tragic occurence on all sides and all aspects. I hope we reach a time where race isn’t even addressed in situations like this. By the way, why isn’t it a ‘hate crime’ when blacks kill a white while car jacking, home invading, mugging, or just for the fun of it?

Irene…was OJ guilty?

O.J. was found not guilty by a jury. Case closed. The rest of us were not there that night and thusly have no knowledge of O.J.’s innocence or guilt.

Were either of you there? Didn’t think so! So stop convicting him! Now there will be a trial and we will see.

Unless of course it was Martin who “made contact” by punching Zimmerman in the face. Of course Tony and TonyD were not there and have little clue as to what happened. Then again neither was I.

But I am not calling for Zimmerman to be locked up either.

The one fact that stands out – an unarmed young man has been shot dead with a really lethal handgun by a man told not to track him. That is a tragedy. Anyone who thinks this sort of behavior can be condoned, let alone praised and encouraged, is not human, or at least not human with with any sort of conscience or soul. What concerns me is that are a lot of Zimmermans out there, quite a few of them on this blogosphere.

Last I heard, Zimmerman was out of his truck and actively following Martin on foot, which means he put himself in harms way. I have noticed, most pointedly, that there was NO coroner’s report on Martin’s physical condition other than dead by bullet wound, so the distinct possiblilty that he was physically attacked before he, supposedly, knocked Zimmerman down is still open for question. I do know that if someone like Zimmerman came up behind me late at night, he could well be in for more of a rough and tumble than he bargained for.

To Absolutely Amazed:
Unfortunately sir, how right and true you are. This is being said from a conservative. Thanks!!

Wait a minute!! ” What is a 17 year old doing out at 2 am? “…??

When was this released? I’ve heard nothing about this time.. Who plays sports at 2am in the morning? Was it pre-recorded and if so, why would anybody sit through a half-time show and why would someone decide to go to the store during this recorded half time when all he had to do was fast forward back to the game? There’s definitely a lot of information/evidence that no one knows about thus why not just think something up.. Rumors have never been a good beacon toward truth.. I whole heartedly request that everyone put this bashing of who’s right and who’s wrong to bed and just wait until the trial begins so that we can discover elements that we’re only supposing now. I’m willing to wait.. Zimmerman isn’t going anywhere.. Some say he was in the wrong, are they right? Some say it was self-defense, are they right? In each person’s mind they feel their right but no one will know until the final judgement THEN one or the other can say, “I TOLD YOU SO!!” But up until then, how ’bout we just wait and see. I’m not for anyone toting around a weapon in public, especially a neighborhood watcher and for that reason (whether it was justified or not) is the blunt of the problem. To me it indicates no one trusts anyone anymore. I think the legal process is now justified, Zimmerman needs to explain his participation and the law has (finally) accommodated this.. Look, I’m not trying to assume a person’s conscience, I’m just saying, like the political arena and everyone’s opinion of who’s better than who, we’re getting nowhere this way other than lengthening the gap between ourselves.

And how about the white truck driver who was drug out of his truck during the riots and got his head bashed in with a brick. By 3 black men, who danced around and and laughed and beat that white man? I remember. I seen the videos. Did he get rich off of being beat? The men who beat him got off and it was racialy motivated. But I guess he didn’t matter, because he was white. His life was radically change forever from that incident. Poor Zimmerman he will be lucky to get a fair trial.

Well,,,that certainly cleared up our national dialogue. What will Al Sharpton do now?

There remains one human species and several human races. The PC culture has tried to blur the distinction for political reasons the same way they blur the distinction between a democracy and a republic. In some respects there are distinct, discernible differences that have been studied, proven and documented thoroughly. There just aren’t enough honest or courageous people left in our culture to address the differences intelligently, preferring the superficial mantras about our similarities that are used to indoctrinate our children in public schools and pander to the entitlement class in progressive liberal politics.

You’re wrong. He’s right. There is only one race. We all came from the same place and are all related.
http://www.smv.org/racearewesodifferent.html

If i’m not mistaken the democrats controled the house and senate then

yep…the Dems came in in 2007 and somehow managed to overnight tank the economy. there was nothing negative building up before then. uh uh …. those pesky Dem. The basis and causes for the crash magically materialized as soon as those Democrats sat down.

Jeesh …. THINK !

Well, it’s nice that you are doing well, Jim. It IS all about you, right? How much money do you think all those unemployed people have been putting in their 401(k)’s over the last couple years? Why not walk your liberal talk, and take some of those huge gains and redistribute some of your money to some local folks who are unemployed?

As I have pointed out to you before, Flash’em, you are the one who needs to ‘think’! And do some research before you open that pie hole…if you can count, look at the Congressional Record yourself and count the number of years in the last century that Democrats have been in charge of both houses of Congress. When you get done, you’ll find Republicans have only had control 13 out of the last 100 years and all 13 since Ronald Reagan. That means Democrats are responsible for 87% of what’s wrong with this country anyway you cut it! Geeze! How about you think for a change!

Well thor..If you look at the numbers, you’ll see this nation began the downward trend in 1981….and the beginning of the largest wealth redistribution in the history of Mankind began at that time as well … redistribution from the Middle Class to the wealthy.

Good point, Flashman, and I can count on one hand how many genuine rightwingers have held office since ’81, Yet, you continue to blame an unrepresented minority for all the ills of society and government. Where does that leave your logic and credibility?

“If i’m not mistaken the democrats controled the house and senate then”..

I notice this statement comes up constantly when someone rags on big daddy Bush but now that it’s the other way around (relatively) it’s all Obama’s fault.. Whatta bunch of corn dawgs.

“kantstanja says:
April 17, 2012 at 8:21 pm
“If i’m not mistaken the democrats controled the house and senate then”..

I notice this statement comes up constantly when someone rags on big daddy Bush but now that it’s the other way around (relatively) it’s all Obama’s fault.. Whatta bunch of corn dawgs.”

kantstanja you are the corn dawg. The Republicans only control the House and do not have a super majority in it. The democrats still control the Senate. I take it back you are not a corn dawg you are only the stick it fell off of.

Seems when the Zimmerman issue was discussed a week or so ago, i stated he should be charged and allowed to opportunity to clear his name. That suggestions was roundly criticized in this forum. Seems folks have a new take on the issue…lol

Flashy says:

Seems when the Zimmerman issue was discussed a week or so ago, i stated he should be charged and allowed to opportunity to clear his name.

Guilty until proven innocent. How liberal of you.

Chief says:

Good post Wyatt was there any doubt Zimmerman would be tried and convicted by our news media without benefit of trial?

Considering how the media doctored the evidence released to the public it is quite obvious what would happen.

Flasher as I have said before , you were not there , you do not know what the circumstances of the event in question or any of the facts . There is only one person living who knows exactly what happened and one , possibly two eye witnesses people who gave eyewitness accounts of what they saw after the initial confrontation had started . These individuals were observing in response to crys for help , allegedly from poor George Zimmerman who you in your Al Sharpton self rightousness seem so egar to lynch .

As for your wild west ,Clint Eastwood , analogy of wild west shoot ups . I would suggest you perhaps spend more time learning about the history of the west and less time camped on the sofa watching the saturday morning oaters . If truth be told , there were relatively few actual shoot outs in the old west dispite what you see on the opening credits of gunsmoke . The actual documented facts show only a half dozen at most , and only one where two men squared of in the middle of the street. As virtually every man was armed the had a tendency to be polite to one another .

Now I am not advocating everyone run down to their local gunshop and buy a gun , most like you would only wind up blowing their empty heads off (hmm , now there’s a thought) but you and those like you with your lynch mob mentality and bleeding heart liberl bias flock like sheep to the words of racist and divicive idiots like Sharpton , Jackson and yes Barry Obama . Without racism these people couldn’t survive except in their own little worlds of bitterness .

The courts will now decide the fate of George Zimmerman , hopefully in a fair and unbiased way based upon the existing laws of the state . Unfortunately I don’t know if this is possible . What with a pitbull prosecutor , and Zimmerman having been tried in the media . This trial is a result of officials and law enforcement being cowed into charges being filed by agents who should have no business mixing in .

I remind you once again , the event in question occured a month before all the brouha began and Barry Obama put his two cents in and sent his outside agitators to stir things up and get the attention off of himself . All you bleeding hearts had best wake up to the fact to who and what has turned an isolated event into a national debate . I have yet to see or hear any outcry anout the little girl killed in a drive by shooting . The two British tourists killed simply because they walked into the wrong neighborhood or any of the numerous attacks on whites by black youths in the name of Martin . What a pack of Hypocrites . Zimmerman is in fact Hispanic , not white . Get a grip and smell just what you are shoveling !

Wyatt…please re-read what i wrote. I was calling into question those who state Zimmerman should not be brought up and held to account for his actions and that he does not, nor should not, show he was acting in self defense.

As for your paragraph “As for your wild west ,Clint Eastwood , analogy of wild west shoot ups . I would suggest you perhaps spend more time learning about the history of the west and less time camped on the sofa watching the saturday morning oaters . If truth be told , there were relatively few actual shoot outs in the old west dispite what you see on the opening credits of gunsmoke . The actual documented facts show only a half dozen at most , and only one where two men squared of in the middle of the street. As virtually every man was armed the had a tendency to be polite to one another .’

I suggest you aslo read up on the Old West. Many, including Doge City, had laws which stated no guns in the city limits. Those came about in response to allowing unfettered carrying.

Families saw their safety was not along the path of having everyone packing a gun. And those who chose not to turn in the armor..they were then easily identifiable and there wasn’t a question as to whether they were ‘law abiding’ or not.

One other item for you to note. Most of the firearms owned and carried in the Old West weren’t psitols. Those were viewed as almost worthless …. most guns were rifles. A much more useful weapon and hunting tool.

now…what was that you were saying about the Old West?

I would take Zimmermans word anyday, over a damn negro.I was going to use a more appropriate word, but it would cause a rush of liberals to Hollar Mommy Mommy Mommy, He said a bad word

“Many, including Doge City, had laws which stated no guns in the city limits. Those came about in response to allowing unfettered carrying.”

Those laws were only enforced on cowboys coming in with trail herds and other strangers. The citizens of the towns were allowed to carry and/or have guns at hand ready to use.

Wyatt says: “There is only one person living who knows exactly what happened and one , possibly two eye witnesses people who gave eyewitness accounts of what they saw after the initial confrontation had started . These individuals were observing in response to crys for help , allegedly from poor George Zimmerman…”

I’ll bet you think it’s George who knows exactly what happened. I’ll agree that he may “know” but he’s also a proven (to 99%) liar because he claimed it was him screaming when the 911 tapes show that is extremely unlikley.

Eye witnesses tend not to be as reliable as was once believed, particularly in the face of the technology that has already been applied.

For all you right wing “diplomatic” folks who don’t think George is going to get a fair shake consider the shake that the dead kid got. I’ll bet his parents wish he was around to be tried.

Rob

Form Flashy: ” including Doge City, had laws which stated no guns in the city limits. Those came about in response to allowing unfettered carrying.”

Actually they were put in place so the sharrif and his buddies were the only ones carrying guns. They liked to gamble and sometimes when they won folks weren’t so friendly…

Rob

castaway says: “I would take Zimmermans word anyday, over a damn negro.”

I wouldn’t take your word for anything!

castaway, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…you’re a straight up racist, no different than Al Sharpton and do a diservice to your own credibility here by making such comments.

You’re either young, stupid or all of the above.

JeffH says to castaway:

You’re either young, stupid or all of the above.

There is another and more likely choice. Agent Provocateur.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agent%20provocateur

Vicki, that’s right. Been brought up on more than one occasion too.

The news sure is messed up isnt it?-CC.

There Joeseph…..Thanks for reminding me to take a chill pill.250,000 milligram version.