Wow, Eric, your adolescent manipulative techniques are in full bloom today.

For those who really want to pursue knowledge of the benefits of real Capitalism (and it’s Free):
http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

Don’t expect “open-minded” people, like Eric, to read this book.

Mr. Obama has made it clear he’s for redistribution of wealth; for ignoring Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and thus requiring people to take actions they oppose; for saying he wants to bankrupt whole sections of our economy; for taking over a large part of the auto, banking, and investment industries; and for stating that the Establishment, Necessary and Proper, and the Supremacy Clauses give him the right to dictate actions to the States and the people. These are all socialist positions.

In addition, from his parents to his mentor to his friends and professors in college to how he started in politics to his wife to Saul Alinsky to his appointments like Van Jones and Valerie Jarrett he has mainly associated with socialists and communists.

All one has to do is to connect the dots to see that Mr. Obama is a Fabian socialist.

Well, we elected him the last time around. I voted the other, but his crew was a lot better at getting out people to vote. If he wins a second term, then too many of us are staying home on election day because it’s inconvenient to go to the polls, and too many of us are voting for him for profit at the expense of the rest – - surely we are not 50% stupid, fools, or ignorant! We have looked upon the enemy, and he is us! (Pogo)

Excellent points. What I fear is a society that’s so composed of people who depend on the Federal government that they’ll vote for whoever promises them the most goodies. So I believe it’s not stupidity or ignorance that will get Mr. Obama elected this November but rather greed and envy.

I also believe he’ll be reelected in 2016 and we’ll have to say goodbye to what’s left of a once democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law. We’ll say goodbye to the USA and hello to the USSA.

Those in the eastern USSA should buy prayer rugs and learn the direction to Mecca, while those in the West should learn Spanish. That way they’ll understand, “Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.” By the way, I’m Hispanic but I’ll never accept Aztlan.

Greed and profit at the expense of others we have with us always, but I hadn’t thought there were that many with snouts in the public trough. Probably not looking closely and making logical connections. How will this work out? Depends on how many decide what is in their own interest – - and if enough decide they can profit by picking the public pocket, the public pocket will suck us all down the drain, and it will be a long and gritty job dragging ourselves back out. Let us pray (it helps mental clarity and direction).

The notion that humans do not want to be productive and would rather live off of others is not borne out by human history. Humanity, and individual human beings as animals, have an inborn urge to create, produce, and improve their circumstances if they are able to do so. The notion that many would want to live off the public trough, so to speak, is base on weak anecdotal accounts and not any meaningful review of the anthropological and archaeological data.

The question is “how many?”. Didn’t we have that problem among the early Christians, some doing nothing except waiting for the end of days and living off the contributions of others, to the point that Paul instituted a new rule: “If you don’t work, you don’t eat”? Or am I recalling the story incorrectly? We have entitlement programs to support large numbers of people, some who genuinely need help – - and some who do not, but can get it anyway because that is the way they were structured. And who would rather live that way because it is the least effort way to go. Call it personal engineering. Do I blame Warren Buffet for paying a lower net tax rate on his large net income than some middleclass families? No. We (collectively) wrote the rules, he follows them. If we change the rules, we will discommodate many people who will have to change their behaviors. If we don’t, we will continue to spend more than we make until we find ourselves in the big bind.

Your response covered two subjects, and I will address them one at a time. Studies have shown that the overwhelming number of people seeking assistance from the government truly need it. Welfare fraud, contrary to the assertions of some, is very low. That is true with all programs designed to help those unable to help themselves. There is no evidence to dispute this.
The Buffet rule is nothing more than how the 16th amendment to the Constitution (federal taxation) is to be applied. Throughout the history of federal income tax the tax rates have varied although, I believe, always those who had larger incomes paid more taxes at a higher rate. How much more is purely a legislative determination. The highest tax rate in the 1950′s was two to three times more than today although there were many loopholes and few if any actually paid it. So, there is nothing revolutionary about taxing the wealthy at a much higher rate than the middle class. Ccongress determines the tax rates.

The conspicuous cheaters get publicity. Low profile may pass below the screen. That there are many who need help I do not deny. That there are individuals and corporations getting breaks that look strange, if not hand-crafted, is generally believed. And some are merely taking advantage of breaks which are there which may have been intended for others or other purposes, but for which they qualify. You could look upon our tax code as a giant government employment plan: many highly intelligent and well trained accountants to figure out the code and the best way to apply it, more to work for the IRS to make sure of compliance to the letter, highly intelligent and well trained lawyers to argue disputes in interpretation, and many more HI&WT bureaucrats to keep score and let our leaders know who’s ahead. Our marginal tax rates 60 years ago seem a bit much – which is probably where a lot of the breaks came in. At present we seem to have lower rates and more breaks. To get this downward spiral under control we need to spend a bit less and collect a bit for a while. How big the bits? That’s up for discussion. Alternatively we can start WWIII and chance a roll of the dice. Or perhaps we are closer to interplanetary exploration and colonization than I think, which might work, too. Got any other ideas?

To reduce the deficient two things must happen. First, begin immediately to reduce defense spending. Presently, we spend around 700 billion a year on defense. Our nearest rival, and perceive enemy, is China which spends a little more than 100 billion. That’s almost seven times as much, moreover we spend two to three times as much as all the rest of the countries in the world combined including our allies. Defense spending destroyed the Russian empire, it will destroy us if it is not substantially reduced. We do not need to police the world. Secondly, as the recession subsides, unemployed will be reduced and the revenue base increased. Recessions are cyclical, this one is more severe because of the Bush tax cuts which resulted in fighting two wars on credit, along with the financial bubble caused by Wall Street and the banking industry’s speculation on the housing market.

I doubt that you are Latino, since that would be the correct way to describe yourself. Whatever you are, you are certainly delusional.

So now you’re the expert on how people should be allowed to describe their background? I doubt you understand the difference between Latino and Hispanic.

However, I understand why you need to resort to an ad hominem attack. Evidently I hit a sore spot that you can’t refute. Or is it that you’d prefer Mr. Obama as a dictator? He certainly is no constitutionalist.

Chazanne, you totally miss the point. Our health care system is becoming beyond the reach of many due to it’s inflated cost. Health care as a right is not the issue. But society is under an obligation to provide for those who are unable to provide for themselves, unless of course, you are a social Darwinist and believe those unable to provide for themselves should just die, a real Christian concept I might add. Fifty million do not have health insurance, many not because they don’t want it, but because it has become too costly and they can’t afford it.

@Eric, by your statement you sound as if you pardon the cruel punishment of the leaders you mention from doing atrocious, unhuman acts to their own people. They starve them and force them to serve them or threaten to kill their families. They are tortured, whipped, starved, raped, molested, etc. Look at the billions we have given to Haiti. Did the people get it? NO, the corrupt governemnts continue to take and take and take to prop themselves up and not the people just as our Government is doing. All those rulers have out and out murdered their own people. Some people simply should not be in power. Ruthless is ruthless and the defenseless need a defender. I am not a fan of war but I’m not a fan of murdering innocent people either as ALL of them did for no good reason. I know we have tons of corruption but in a way we are the the symbol of moses bringing these poor souls out of bondage and suffering. Unfortunately, we are no longer leading by example which makes us hypocrites. My brother was in Iraq, did you know those people were so starved, they loved our soldier that gave them food and water (basic needs)…they made their own people barter for water. The media has done a disservice by not showing the good and rebuilding and friendships and bonding. They only show the bad stories and incite more hatred.

AirAngel If at first you don’t comprehend read it over a few more times and you may get it. Right now your comments mean you didn’t get it at all.

Dear Eric Bischoff,

You are correct. Unfortunately, our government propaganda non-education indoctrination system does not teach this history. It teaches that the US is pure as driven snow in its overseas interventions, but nothing about the use of US dollars, intelligence assets and NGOs to prop up (or in some cases enslave) puppet governments and train and use terrorists to establish and grow empire.

Best wishes,
Bob

No, Eric, “We” aren’t responsible, the Leaders who have assumed control over our lives and others are responsible. And people like you want to give them more Power.

Eric,
Our conflict with Japan in the ’30s was caused by their expansionist policy. Several years prior to Pearl Harbor, they brutally invaded China (I’ve seen the historical Chinese videos) because they wanted to dominate the Orient for economic gain and political power. Their attack on Pearl Harbor was their way to warn the US to stay out of the Orient. Policies were guided by the army. Yamamoto, the attacking admiral, warned them “You will wake a sleeping giant who will bury you.”
North Korea was birthed by a US policy of appeasement and containment rather than fighting a traditional war. I could answer you point for point but will keep this short. My point is that opinions are good when backed by history and facts. I see no facts to back up your opinions.

I voted for Carter and learned a bitter lesson. I used to trust MSM until I discovered how they distort facts to promote their agenda. Giving up my liberal status to become a moderate has been a painful road. First, I had to lean how to discover truth in order to recognize distortion. It mostly comes down to what my Mom said, ” Watch what the man does and spread what he says on the garden, where it will at least do some good.”

I love the way DaveH always expunges his own responsibility and always blames everyone else. I guess he never votes or buys anything.

Eric issues his usual inane comment — “I love the way DaveH always expunges his own responsibility and always blames everyone else. I guess he never votes or buys anything”.
Actually, Eric, I’ve never voted for candidates to Force my way on other people. I’ve voted for Freedom since I came of voting age.
Save the guilt trip for somebody that it might work on.
You’re like a manipulative spoiled child, Eric, who will go from one tactic to another in an effort to get his way.

LOL, your funny, as if we didn’t know you’d bring your own paid fan club along….”

Oh Eric, My Hero!”….R-E-A-L-L-Y Eric?…C’mon…….

Pandora’s box has been opened.
But that’s a good thing for true Freedom lovers. Now more people can see what these Progressives are really made of.
Thank you, Eric.

DaveH, I’m just LMAO at this one…..

Keep on talking. You are doing us a favor. We don’t have to explain what the Leftists/Socialists/Democrats really believe and what their plans are for this country.

Perfect eugene I could not had said it better

You really don’t know the difference between Franklin and Theodore? Well done!

Oh James, your being so cruel – LOL!!!. . .

There wasnt much of a difference they were both progressives.
It s all bsed on the idea of collective bargaining rather than rugged individualism.
The idea that if you pool other peoples money together,then you can get more done that if you go out in the world and use your own resources to affect it on a personal level.
Its the idea that building a giant corporation from scratch,isnt nearly as admirable an effort as extorting that giant corporations money to benefit the whole of society.
That is what we are divided by in todays post.
This ideology is what separates the Bischoff’s and Flashy’s,and their support of using OP’s money to do as they please,for lack of resources of their own,with making billions of dollars by the rugged individualists who pool their resorces to build a corporation.
The difference is that they do not spearate the effort of those without…..using OP’S money through gubment,from those who through mastery of hard work,grow money where it didnt previously grow.Their ignorance is stifling to those of us who grasp this simple concept,yet they will not,for that would entail putting their favorite form of gubment on a par with thievery.
Somewhere in the annals of time a person who had no resources of his own,stepped forth and decide to use those of others via organizing,to benefit themselves and yet make those whose resorces were being used think it was a good idea.
Diplomacy is the act of telling people to go to hell,and convincing them that its a swell idea.
So you get folks like Bischoof and Flashy who tell you to go to hell and offer to spend your dime for a ticket straight into the bowels.The catch is that they feel the need to attempt to connive and contrive a story,that makes you think it is a great move.
Notice that they blame those who actually fought hard to make that money,rather than those who take it by making laws which benefit their taking of it,of course for the supposed wellbeing of all.
Yey also notice that all are seldom if ever benefitted.
Hmmmmm.
So folks who scratch until they make a billion,are malevolently evil,but those who extort monies from those who scratch to make a billion,by making laws entitling them to do so,are benevolent.Do you see their confusion?
Appaerently they cannot.
Cheers!
-CC.

the republicans have become mild democrates and the democrates have become commie pigs!

I’d have some choice words for you Brad but I will pass this time. Darn I just bit my tongue anyway!!

you are correct Jeepman

There is nothing wrong with working hard for your money and attempting to earn more but once the wealthy get to a certain point they stop working and seldom earn what they receive. They manipulate and become greedy in how they achieve that wealth. As they tinker in making more their huge salaries causes the price of everything else to go up. They don’t hold inflation down but increase the cost of goods.

Oh Chazanne where have you been. I hadn’t seen a my country love it or leave it bumper sticker in a while. They used to be common when I was against the Vietnam war. Not much has changed Hé!

If life is not so good in Germany, why does my friend’s soldier son and German daughter-in-law want to go back so badly? They can do better in Germany with him out of the Army than they can do here.

karolyn, an American soldier stationed in Germany is a lot different than being a German citizen. I have always enjoyed by time in Europe during various deployments. But, it is not the same as becoming a German citizen, paying German taxes and living under the laws. Many soldiers do opt to stay or return and like all things some really enjoyed it and thrived, others couldn’t wait to get back. Just like in our country, some like it, others don’t. Germany has issues just like us, and just like us their citizens struggle to deal with economic, political and social issues. Income taxes in Germany can be high with rates from 14-45%. But, unlike US taxes there are other taxes, as well. Germans pay a solidarity tax of 5.5% and a 9% Church tax. American soldiers do not endure these burdens and many do not even have to pay state taxes while stationed overseas. My point is that many of our soldiers need to realize they live in Germany on a kind of paid vacation (bad choice of words because they work their butts off). But you get my point.

it might be easier for him as opposed to another soldier if his wife is German and she comes from a family that owns their own home and it is common for a few generations to live together in the same home. But if his wife wasn’t German – it wouldn’t be as easy and yes, life is very controlled – from when you can mow your lawn to everything else. I do love it there but it’s kind of like the soup nazi, you follow a very strict method of doing things and there’s little tolerance if you don’t. No soup for you.

Wrong again JeepMan
I am for small local community governance and businesses. I would gladly pay higher taxes if it meant that my community and all in it did better and the environment was protected.

I am sick of paying for wars and big business subsidies.

I want a strong government with teeth when it comes to destroying the environment and any business activity that makes people sick or disabled.

We the people give Corporate Charters, we should demand that they have more teeth and better stewardship or we should revoke them. We should periodically review them. We should have a voice on the boards.

Eric, it only hurt when it is true. You have many times over advocated socialism. I was just saying you were at least honest about it! Most socialists are still in the closet, or in denial. Of course, a smaller, leaner govt at the local level is prefered, but I have always had the impession you were a supporter of this administration which has started more wars, and has been very unkind to local govts that do not support his policies.

Jeepman1 I get your point but there are those that won’t either because of ignorance or blindness. For anyone to say we are in good shape they have not read the new unemployment stats today darn they went up over 30,000 new claims. I really like your comment right to the point

This administration never got and wouldn’t get my Vote Jeepman. There’s way too much ASSumption going on here. And I believe that it doen’t yet matter which way we vote unless we first get money out of politics.

Eric, you have finally said something I can whole-heartedly agree with! There is only ONE ruling class.

I never advocate Socialism and especially not most people’s erroneous beliefs of what they think socialism is or what it could be.

I do like Germany’s Social Democratic version. I think it very intelligent, compassionate, conservative and inclusive.

I am for Capitalism with a Soul. I love what the people of Mondragon have chosen for themselves and their communities. The repercussions of their business choices have also affected/improved their local politics.

I find that the people who advocate small toothless govt and complete business freedom have no respect for the earth and no compassion for the people who need help and only care about money and they need to atone for their selfishness and they need to find compassion. I feel sorry for them. That’s not the American Dream.

I also think that people need get some courage and stop being so AFRAID of ideas they really don’t understand or know nothing about. Only what they heard from the propaganda machines.

I think there are good ideas to be plucked even from failed ideologies and that we should model excellence wherever we find it. I always remind people about Cuba and their 98% literacy and better health now they were forced into organic agriculture and high vegetable diets. Oh my god Cuba. Do you really believe that they will invade us, corrupts us with their ideas and we will become communists. Have you all lost your minds? What are you all so afraid of? Success!

If you read Eric’s posting it appears he wants the USA to become something similar to Europe of the Middle Ages.Where you had to check in your papers when you came into a town to live or set up business. Then you had to fight tooth and nail to free yourself from that town.

Doc,
You have just planted one of the best “fools” statements I’ve seen in a while. “our country is on a better footing now then it was when he took office.” Really? Please explain how that is so when we have had an increase in our national deficit which is now sitting at over. . . OK, ya ready $15 Trillion and counting. To verify that number please go to: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ You call this the best footing? HA, what a joke!!

Well, I called it a better footing (not best). We are out of half the wars that George Bush started and working our way out of the other one. We eliminated the world’s worst terrorist. The market is improving, housing starts are up, unemployment is down, foreclosures are declining (all slightly). Our automobile industry, which he gambled to save, is doing better. My subjective take is that our country’s standing among other countries is far better than it was when he took office. How’s that? Yes, the deficit is big (remember Cheney said that deficits don’t matter) but he has put forward measures to redce the deficit and has been blocked by conggress from implementing them.

@ Doc Sarvis – do thine eyes deceive you? You and I must be viewing 2 different worlds.

I see empty parking lots where businesses used to thrive. I see more impoverishment and more street crime because no one has jobs, no motivation, no work ethic so their undiciplined behavior is being channeled into stealing, drug smuggling, prostitution, violence, basically up to no good. Every other home in Los Angeles and sanctuary cities can’t speak English contributing to more ignorance and cultural divide and decay in those cities. It’s sad really, such decay did not have to happen if we had real leadership, real inspiration and someone full of love leading this country rather than full of a mission to destroy this country because of all that hate and lies that was fed to him as a young boy. Hate fosters more hate and violene and never leads to a good outcome. People need structure and discipline and a sense of pride and purpose in their lives and only real leaders can bring that about. Someone with enough courage to rise above it all tht has inner strength and a love for all of Gods children.

That’s right the baby was going down the drain and he put a stop to it. The only questions remaining are Will it hold? Can it hold? Will we go back to our old ways and make it much worse?

You all are always talking about free market and business. Last time I looked you at a balance sheet it had assets and debts. Somehow now we look only at the national debt on it’s own without comparing it to assets. Instead you now conveniently compare it to GDP which by the way is flawed since we don’t count everything. When the swiss decided to reevaluate their GDP and count mothering, caring for the elderly and disbled and volunteer work, they discovered that that forgotten portion was actually larger that the part they were counting. So all of the sudden all were elated, males felt better about themselves for fianlly acknowledging women’s work and and the ever emotional stock market got a big kick in the pants.

What you should really be worried about is the continuing gambling on steroids as in the derivatives market exposure which is MUCH LARGER than all of the combined world GDP. Now that’s something to be afraid of and that is what we should put an end to now immediately before it’s too late.

Here are some important quotes for you to remember:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Even this quote wasn’t origional to Goebbels .
Several other famous indiviuals have quoted similar statements long before HItler and Goebbels.

“A lie told often enough becomes truth” – Vladimir Lenin.

“There’s nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it.” – William James (1842-1910) The father of modern Psychology

Doc,
You really have an extremely high level of hatred for Republicans, don’t you? Why is it that you can’t see that it works both ways in Washington? Dummy, their playing you like a Stradivarius for sure. What is the primary problem we have? It’s called out of control spending. Total, complete endless spending! When you have that problem, enormous problem for sure, who and what is the root cause of it? Satisfy this group, satisfy that group, help these poor people out, help those poor people out. It locks in the minds of those that the all knowing government will be there to save you whenever you are having a problem and in so doing it locks in the votes. Why is it that there are so many “well seasoned” politicians that have been in office for decades? Think Doc, set your party hatred aside, if possible and look at it from a common sense side, not an ideological side, not a party side. You just may be surprised how simple it is to see.
Then again. . .

Alan, I nominate the “trickle down of wealth” as the top lie in modern times.

Sirian,
I don’t hate Republicans or Democrats. I love America and fight policies that will bring our country’s people down.

Your right Doc, with unemployment still above 8% and more people on food stamps than ever before, we are certainly “better off”. But then there is that whole big deficit thing that he said was “unpatriotic” for Bush, but apparently okay for him. Anyway, have you seen a budget lately? Then there are the daily scandals (Solyndra, FandF, etc.) And, he is now famous for starting conflicts without congressional authority. Of course, he has done a bang up job checking aggression from North Korea and Iran. And since we’re on foreign policy, I’m sure the Brits have forgotten the couple of faux pas this guy delivered to the Queen. BTW what was it that he promised Russia without consulting the Senate? Oh yeah to weaken our nuclear deterent. Darn those microphones! I see Gitmo is still open for business. And, exactly how many unelected czars do we need? Wouldn’t you say that race relations are doing just fine? I know that I don’t mind paying more at the pump, do you? Of course, food prices are soaring as well, but I “feel” better because my health insurance costs have gone up 30% this year. Thanks Obamacare.

So, let’s see…a whole bunch of people are still outa’ work, but more people are getting food stamps, we owe a lot of money to China, we don’t have a plan, our friends are pissed and our enemies don’t care what we think, the guy has little respect for that darned Constitution, he even denegrated the SCOTUS, blacks and whites are even more suspicious of each other, gas and food are up, but I feel better about myself. Okay things are just fine…

Alan, you stated: “There’s nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it.” It is true. The Replies on this website prove that. There are many people that fall for that lie. You can’t fix stupid. Stupidity is a symptom of Evil of one of many forms. In my experience I have discovered that stupid people fall in to being a victim of one of the seven deadly sins. ( wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony). The reason you can’t fix stupid is because the stupid people are too stupid to realize that.

Doc,
You have to watch this so you may get a better ideas as to what the “policies” are doing. This is in line with the all so popular Buffet rule/policy that Obama is pushing. It too is awash in lies as to how effective it will be. It won’t fix nuttin’!! But here’s the Catch 22, they have so many people transfixed as to it being the right thing to do. The right thing to do. The right thing to do. . . . follow me?
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cnbc-anchor-loses-it-over-obamas-buffett-rule/

Sirian…the Buffet Rule will raise approximately 47 billion in new revenues. As you know..it’s a tax on income above $1 mil. Which means, anything earned over $1 mil is subject to a higher tax rate and captial gains if used for ordinary income is eliminated.

It’s a beginning. Any rational computation on decreasing the deficit involves budget cuts AND revenue increases. While the Buffet Rule is not the overall ‘cure”, it is a beginning and does begin to attack the massive wealth redistribution issue we have…a redistribution which began under Reagan …

You have lost your mind! ~Your Father

I’ve been having the same difficulty.

Donna you go girl I am just sorry that you will be ignored. The blind people are out in force. We can only hope that at some point in time they will will be able to see the truth. I believe that they like those in Washington and will only wake up when they lose the right to post on this blog

…forgot the key ingrediant, Communism…

You are a funny man, Ken. Like most of your comrades that seem to be out in force today you have no concept of personal responsibility. And, since you have no pride you are more than willing to use govt force to get what you “need”. You have no insurance because you made life choices that did not set you up for success. Period. If you lost your job or failed in a business and cannot “afford” healthcare it is and always has been your responsibility to ensure your choices made this reality. Eric and other socialists, including you, are just afraid to be “on their own”. So, they espouse and support giving the state the “power” to take from others to provide for you. Very selfish of you. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs, right? In a compact between “free” peoples, such as…hmmm…the Constitution, the very notion that the govt has the right to confiscate (read taxes) anything to redistribute to anyone else, is wrong. But, you and other socilists will never take the high road of self-reliance, it is always much easier to pass a new tax law and steal it from someone else. By the way, try a little self-reflection on your life, it is possible you actually failed.

Yes but you Jeepman ASSume you know the person you are talking about or what you are actually taking about.

A reply to a staement is only an assumption if one is stating how one really feels. If Ken’s whining about his current state and blaming it on others is not true, then, perhaps he shouldn’t claim it. I don’t care Eric if you have sympathy for Ken’s plight…Apparently your motherly instincts are on high alert today. I’m very tired of the same ole’ song and dance, “it’s not my fault!” And, I am exercisizing my free right to call you guys out on your selfish, childish ways. My last comment to Ken was to promote self-reflection, ever try it?

Ken the reason health care has gotten so expensive is because there is no free market to sell over state lines. Get it right and understand completely befor calling WOLF!!

Thank you Ken and that is the main reason so many do without insurance. There is no cheap private health insurance and every state has them which makes them all unaffordable. Too many are left out and will remain left out unless there is big changes. The AHCA may do that but the way it is set up the private companies still control the business.

Jeep, jeep!!!

“There is no cheap private health insurance and every state has them which makes them all unaffordable.”

the reason there is no cheap private health insurance is becuase there is no cheap healthcare. The more the cost of health care goes up the more insurance will go up.

Eric is a charter member of the dumb masses!

Tell it like it is cowboy!!! Hey Juke, the “m” was a type-o right?!! Eric you are sooo far out there, you’re almost out of sight! A little further PLEASE!!! I’m only speakin’ for myself here, but if anyone happens to agree, please say so! Yes, I look forward to a time when we return to the principles that made this the GREATEST country to have ever existed! Those principles have nothing to do with segregation or hatred!!! It’s the principle that (I’m going to try and sound like Dr. King here, so please use your imagination to help!) “We hold these TRUTHS to be SELF-EVIDENT, that ALL men are CREATED EQUAL, ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR, with certain UNALIENABLE rights that among these are LIFE. LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS!!! Did that sink in there Eric?!! I didn’t think so, so I’ll try to explain although I’m convinced that I’m wasting my breath! My right to live as a free person doesn’t come from, first of all you (THANK GOD!!!), a government, a religious leader, a spiritual guide, NADA!!! But from God Almighty Himself! So before you or anyone thinks of even trying to ROB me of my SACRED priviledge, know that I am quite prepared to die in the defense of the same!!!
For God and country!!!

Dear Bob Livingston
correct me if I am wrong but the people here that profess to be either libertarians and tea party lovers also put forth ideas that government always is the only problem and that we should let the free market prevail and everything will be alright.

It seems to me that the reason we are in this mess is because big business and the supposed free market system is corrupt, too big, and only cares about money and share holder profits. They are only interested in chasing the cheapest labor wherever they can find it even if it is borderline slavery labor. They also could care less about the environment, profits again are more important. How long can we keep that up?

Corporations have bought and control this government and I don’t hear any ideas from this crowd on how they plan on making things better. I think they will only make it much worse. They want business to have a free reign period. Like they can be trusted. Like CEOs that now pay themselves obscene salaries in these times can be trusted.

We don’t need to get rid of government, what we need is honest and effective govt. EWe need to close the revolving door. Isn’t that what the revolution and the founding fathers wanted. We need to keep it within certain boundaries. Out of our personal lives and focused on protecting this country within it’s borders and that includes our common wealth, the air, water and soil. We don’t need an empire and we don’t need to police the world and it’s resources. That sort of goes against the free market doesn’t it!

The entire focus of vile negativity is always on Obama. They can’t even have respect for the highest office. They can’t even use his name properly. To me that creams of underlying in denial racism which is still a big problem in this country. Many of them only woke up when he came to power. They let the disastrous Bush/Cheney thugs get by with a free pass and a get out of jail card.

Shouldn’t that nasty energy instead be focused on Wall Street and the banksters. Shouldn’t it join the Occupy movement? But no it just makes fun of that too.

Handing the keys to the house of the guys that just ransacked the place is not my idea of taking our country back. This mess didn’t just happen, it was a long time in the making and Reagan and his team which largely became the Bush team kicked it into high gear for the last 40 years.

I don’t see any difference in what they did and what is being proposed here. Enlighten me, show me a better mouse trap!

Dear Eric Bischoff,

I believe you paint with a broad brush when you generalize the readership with “people here that profess to be either libertarians and tea party lovers also put forth ideas that government always is the only problem and that we should let the free market prevail and everything will be alright.” That is why I sought clarification of your previous comment, “Fascism is what you guys are disguising as libertarian and tea party ideas.”There are some who say this and some, like myself, who say something else.

You write: “It seems to me that the reason we are in this mess is because big business and the supposed free market system is corrupt, too big, and only cares about money and share holder profits. They are only interested in chasing the cheapest labor wherever they can find it even if it is borderline slavery labor. They also could care less about the environment, profits again are more important. How long can we keep that up?” In this you are mostly correct. It is not the “free market system” that is corrupt. It the marriage of big business and government (fascism) and government’s (Presidents, Congress, bureaucrats in unConstitutional alphabet soup agencies) willingness to–or enthusiasm for–write laws and regulations that benefit selected big businesses to the detriment of other (both big and small) business and Americans in general that is the problem. If the system was truly “free market” then government would not be picking winners and losers with dollars printed willy-nilly by Treasury and regulations that apply to some but not others–both in this country and abroad.

You write: “Corporations have bought and control this government and I don’t hear any ideas from this crowd on how they plan on making things better. I think they will only make it much worse. They want business to have a free reign period. Like they can be trusted.” In this we are in agreement. You fret about “ideas from this crowd” for making things better. This is a generalization you make that is not completely true. Some good ideas can be found in suggestions from some, not others. Many here, maybe even most, are still learning how corrupted the system has become. They are just now beginning to look outside the paradigm to see what you and I see. Conventional wisdom is a difficult thing to shed.

You write: “Like CEOs that now pay themselves obscene salaries in these times can be trusted.” Here you and I may part ways. If a business is privately-owned, the CEO is perfectly within his right to set his compensation and that of his employees at whatever rate he chooses. The company is his, after all. Employees are free to negotiate their compensation and benefits. If they determine the pay is not sufficient for the labor they expend, they are free to look for work elsewhere or form a company of their own. If a business is publicly owned, the board (and conceivably the shareholders, though you and I know the system here is rigged) set the compensation. We can voice our objections if we are shareholders. We can voice our objections as consumers by not buying their product or service. Where I would object to a CEO of a private corporation or public corporation paying “obscene salaries” would be if the company receives money from the Federal government in the form of bailouts, loans and grants–especially if that company is nonviable as in the case of the “green” energy companies recently bankrupting or in the “too big to fails” that received special dispensation from the Federal Reserve and bailouts.

You write: “We don’t need to get rid of government, what we need is honest and effective govt. EWe (sic) need to close the revolving door. Isn’t that what the revolution and the founding fathers wanted. We need to keep it within certain boundaries. Out of our personal lives and focused on protecting this country within it’s borders and that includes our common wealth, the air, water and soil. We don’t need an empire and we don’t need to police the world and it’s resources. That sort of goes against the free market doesn’t it!” YES! I would agree with this almost completely. Where we might diverge–I admit I’m making a presumption here, based on some of your past comments–would be my thoughts that we need to return to Constitutional governance. I believe that is what many of the “libertarians and tea partiers” you mentioned earlier would like to see. However, some of them only want to return to Constitutional governance in certain areas but not others because they want to maintain the unConstitutional largess they receive from government or policies they agree with (as in so-called “social conservatives”) but would like to deny it to others. This can be found in those who claim the mantle of conservative, but support non-conservative candidates like the Bushes, Romney, Gingrich and Santorum, et al.

You write: “The entire focus of vile negativity is always on Obama. They can’t even have respect for the highest office. They can’t even use his name properly. To me that creams of underlying in denial racism which is still a big problem in this country.” Not entirely, and disagreeing with Obama and his policies is not necessarily racial in nature. I care not one whit about Obama’s color. There are some who do and some do who do not. I would not deign to presume I can read a man’s heart. I do object to his Marxist/fascist policies. Obama, like Bush before him, is operating at the behest of the string pullers–the elites–who operate behind the curtains. I have written in the past who these people are. Their goal is to destroy the U.S.

You write: “Many of them only woke up when he came to power. They let the disastrous Bush/Cheney thugs get by with a free pass and a get out of jail card.” This is true. However, that they are waking up is a good thing, is it not? It is our job, people like you and me, to help to point them in the right direction now that they are awakening.

You write: “Shouldn’t that nasty energy instead be focused on Wall Street and the banksters.” YES! And on the fascist government system that truly exists and enables them.

You write: “Shouldn’t it join the Occupy movement?” Not necessarily. You need to study what is happening behind the scenes there. Just like the Tea Party has been co-opted by the establishment, the OWS movement is being manipulated for the purpose of the elites.

You write: “I don’t see any difference in what they did and what is being proposed here.” The difference is the introduction by the Obama team of Marxism into the fascism perpetuated and expanded by the Bushes. If you look into Obama’s background with the open mind you profess to have, you must see that it is there. I have written about this. I don’t believe you to be completely trapped in the false left/right paradigm.

You write: “Enlighten me, show me a better mouse trap!” We must take the system back. It will be difficult. I believe, and have written, we must first go through the fire. By this I mean that we must endure the collapse of the system, which is coming. The elites are striving for this. Their goal is collapse the U.S. system, which will collapse the entire world economy, and institute a one world government whereby they control everything. We must first try and prevent this. To do this we must elect Constitutionally-driven candidates (electing Ron Paul is a start, but certainly not the end). The Internet, I believe, has become a big detriment to their plans. We must use it for our benefit while it is free and open. That is why so many are working so hard to take control of it. If we are unsuccessful with preventing the collapse, we must stand in the breach when it happens and ensure that we do not succumb to the elites and their machinations. I believe it will get uglier before it gets better.

Best wishes,
Bob

Eric… your an idiot….
The reason that the US economy is in the tank is because of the democrats…
Lets start with bill clinton and his affordable housing for all program you know the program that forced banks to loan to people that didn’t have a job.
It is the governments fault that the US is sinking and oblama is adding to the problem

“Lets start with bill clinton and his affordable housing for all program you know the program that forced banks to loan to people that didn’t have a job.” <— Raggs

hmmm, and what program would that be? Since there NEVER was such a program…perhaps you could enlighten us?

If you are referring to the Community Reinvestment Act…put in place in the late 70's…it never 'forced' bankis to make any loans.

Jeesh…you guys have been on a roll this week making stuff up …

Bob, as always, spot on!
Eric, I am glad that you have not fallen prey to the left/right false paradigm that so many have! Labels have been allowed, by a complicit government, to be pegged to individuals that the government has deemed necessary to marginalize. These Neo-Cons are not on the side of the American people, look no further than the Dodd-Frank bill for that answer! “Progressive” Neo-Cons in both parties, Newt and Clinton, did away with the best piece of regulation this country had in Glass-Stegal. Furthermore, to defend the current administration because another did wrong is exactly what the partisan bickering is about today! To continue this is ridiculous and must stop immediately for our society to prevail. I never supported the Bush Family, Slick-Willy Clinton or O-blame-o. These globalist usurpers are the reason “trickle-down” got corrupted and are the power brokers that are getting what they can while they can before the system collapses.

Mr. Livingston…in re; your comments back to Eric.

i hope this lays out in a readable format…

Your comments and paraphrases with Erics post..—> “It the marriage of big business and government (fascism) and government’s (Presidents, Congress, bureaucrats in unConstitutional alphabet soup agencies) willingness to–or enthusiasm for–write laws and regulations that benefit selected big businesses to the detriment of other (both big and small) business and Americans in general that is the problem.”
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Omitting comments on the “unConstitutional alphabet…” wording… I am in agreement with both Eric and yourself. Though it is Congress which makes the laws, Presidents (via federal agencies) implement them. As you know, unless related to foreign policy issues, a President (or federal agency) cannot implement a policy or excercise a power which was not permitted or directed by Congress.

I agree with your (and Erics) comments about the oligarchy enjoyed by Big Business. One example is the “roll your own’ cigarette business. Since a tobacco tax bill passed in ’07 placing a higher tax on manufactured cigarettes, small companies…employing thousands overall…sprang up allowing the consumer to buy loose leaf tobacco and rolling it via a machine. Under a Senate bill passed in mid-March, Big tobacco lobbied for expansion of the tax and, in effect, putting these small companies out of business. It wasn’t for ‘health reasons’…the bill was written by and for Big Tobacco.

Targeting industries for expansion or R&D I would not fit into the catagories we are discussing (i.e. alternate energy) and such is forward looking and developing the tech and resources allowing for later open market competition once “the bumps” have been discovered etc …

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You write (again with eric’s comments included) —>

“You write: “Like CEOs that now pay themselves obscene salaries in these times can be trusted.” Here you and I may part ways. If a business is privately-owned, the CEO is perfectly within his right to set his compensation and that of his employees at whatever rate he chooses. The company is his, after all. Employees are free to negotiate their compensation and benefits. If they determine the pay is not sufficient for the labor they expend, they are free to look for work elsewhere or form a company of their own. If a business is publicly owned, the board (and conceivably the shareholders, though you and I know the system here is rigged) set the compensation.”
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The system is rigged as you observe. Shareholders have no power. Much like what I see Citizen’s United turning the US election process into. You are against Organized Labor. I see a man’s labor as all he has to bargain with, and since he is a small cog in the multinational system, united with all the employees…as a unit, gives them the power to be able to demand their safety and wages are acceptable and reasonable.

Where i might veer from my view of the Right to Unite and organize is the role of large “national” unions. The AFL-CIO, Teamsters, etc are an oligarchy iin and of themselves commanding control of the organized labor market.

If unions were to be limited to company wide or industry wide…and not a segment of a large overall ‘corporate’ union conglomerate, it might get my support. As well…business reform in vertical and horizontal integration would necessarily be part of the deal

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You write —>
“You write: “We don’t need to get rid of government, what we need is honest and effective govt. EWe (sic) need to close the revolving door. Isn’t that what the revolution and the founding fathers wanted. We need to keep it within certain boundaries. Out of our personal lives and focused on protecting this country within it’s borders and that includes our common wealth, the air, water and soil. We don’t need an empire and we don’t need to police the world and it’s resources. That sort of goes against the free market doesn’t it!” YES! I would agree with this almost completely. Where we might diverge–I admit I’m making a presumption here, based on some of your past comments–would be my thoughts that we need to return to Constitutional governance.”
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We differ on the meaning of “Constitutional governance’. You read the Constitution is a much different way than I.

Out of our personal lives? Absolutely..including forcing religious beliefs on others (i.e. Choice or saying the recent HCR is against religion..which it obviously is not)

As for empire? Do we “need” to be one? by definition, we have to be. Economically we have the largest economy (by far) and as the US goes, so goes the world. Socially, English and American are the universal languages and design and styling is quickly becoming the focal point of societies everywhere.

militarioy? Again….i might agree to an extent as far as backing off some of the numbers we have around the world. Our military is wayyyyy bloated and tied too much to every segment of our industrial capacity. We do have enemies, adversaries, and realpolitik is the measure of any international relationship. A presence in the world is the price for being an empire..a position we have been given.

At this time is being an empire good or bad? I would argue, long term for the US and our society, it is a good thing…if we manage it right. Reality is, with the internet and the world growing smaller, one day there will be a one world guiding body. Whetehr it be 50 years or 200 years…there will be one barring a major catstrophe like a WW III.

i’d much rather have such a governing body controlled by the social and governmental mores of the nation and culture of the US than any other ‘dominant” culture and thought mechanisms..

Dear Flashy,

You write: “You are against Organized Labor.” I don’t believe I’ve ever said or written such a thing. I am for free association. If workers want to organize a labor union, that is fine. If an employer wants to negotiate with them as a union (ie, engage in collective bargaining), that should be his choice. However, if said employer chooses not to engage in collective bargaining, that should be his choice as well. I do not believe an employer should be forced by government to negotiate with a union. Nor do I believe a union should be given an special dispensations from government (ie, tax breaks, government contracts requiring union labor, special deals as in the auto bailouts, government funds or grants, laws requiring employees to be members, etc.). Nor do I believe unions should be allowed to engage in thuggery and intimidation if an employer chooses not to bargain with it (which they do, and they are allowed to get away with). Then unions would stand or fall on their own. I do not believe governments should engage in collective bargaining with unions, as there is no incentive for government to not meet the demands of the unions. Governments can accede to union demands because, unlike a businesses which must consider P&L, governments are not bound by such. They can either print more money–as in the case of the Federal government–or steal from the producers through increased taxation. Government is by its nature inefficient, and unionized government employees are even more so. The taxpayer, which must foot the bill for this inefficiency, has no recourse and no say when government unions hold the government hostage demanding ever-increasing salaries and benefits. It does not make for better government. People who are unhappy with the salaries and benefits offered by government are free to look elsewhere for work, just as those in the private sector are free to look for work when they become dissatisfied.

Best wishes,
Bob

Bob Livingston, thank you so much for your words. I cannot disagree and you’re absolutly correct in what you’ve stated in response to Eric “the Red”. Each day here, brings better clarity to the evils we, as Americans, must sort through, identify and resist. Everyday that someone starts to understand what the real enemy has done and is doing to destroy our country, our liberties and our freedoms is a positive move forward. We need websites like PLD and true “warriors” of freedom like yourself and your staff to keep sending the message of truth. Such a shame that Ron Paul is ignored and muzzeled by the MSM and the naysayers have swallowed the anti-Paul rhetoric hook, line and sinker.

Never become so much of an expert that you stop gaining expertise. View life as a continuous learning experience.
- Denis Waitley

Good commentary, Bob. We live in very perilous times. What’s coming will be quite unlike anything in our history. We have been sold down the river by those that control everything. Dark times lay ahead.

Obama’s application of Chicago Politics is just a liberal form of fascism. Bush? Obama? Two sides of the same tired old coin.

The Obama Thugocracy:
http://personalliberty.com/2012/04/09/the-obama-thugocracy/?eiid=

Obama wouldn’t have gotten this far without a lot of cooperation from BOTH sides of the coin.

If you want to help fix things, keep your eye on the ball (the Constitution) and not on attacking either side of that coin. The coin was cleverly designed to trap you into slinging arrows back and forth — as observed herein — and thus ignore the less obvious fact that the coin itself (destroying the Constitution and all that it represents) is the real problem.

Stay on task, folks. There’s tons of evidence that there really is a “Man Behind the Curtain” (ref: the Wizard of Oz) and someone is working hard to play a covert game of chess with real, live pieces. (Thee and me.) A major portion of their game seems to be devoted to shifting our attention away from the Man Behind the Curtain, and from the looks of it I’d say they really know their stuff.

many companies in the US are employeed owned, this is nothing new. Can you say Walmart Eric?

Give me a break Brad if you can’t understand the difference between a real worker owned cooperative corporation and Walmart you’ve got a big problem.

The workers have no say in how the company is run and worse yet they have no say in their own livelihood because they can’t organize.

Walmart and the big box store models (read “Free Lunch”) single handedly (well with the help of corrupt local governments) destroyed small businesses in America to bring you cheap junk for your massive consumption. 80% of it is made in China and they are not only the lowest prices they also pay the lowest wages.

We allow you the Freedom, Eric, to participate in a worker-owned company. Why can’t you allow us the Freedom to participate in a non-worker-owned company?
All we ask, Eric, is that you and your controlling compatriots allow us peons to make voluntary transactions with our fellow humans without your interference. Is that too much to ask?

I wonder how many poor people or welfare recipients have ever given Eric a job, if he has ever been off the government dole.

There are more than plenty of non worker owned companies to find a job at and I just can’t fathom Dave H as a peon.

they are also the largest employer in the nation, thank god for all those low wage workers not looking to sit on their couch and wait on that next Gubmint chek.

You are kidding right! That’s why they’re successful. Aren’t you putting the cart before the horse. They were successful with their SOCIALISM and they are choosing to be fiscally conservative. Socialism is for the people not for banksters. Are you brain dead? All countries should default now and tell the Banksters where to go. They should take their pain now and reorganize. They should learn all their lessons and not do business with Goldman Sachs which should be broken up and some of their people should go to jail.

Tom makes a simple statement of his opinion of Germany’s economy, and Eric responds with a condescending, name-calling comment.
That coming from a man who proclaims an open-mind to the ideas of others.
Are you getting this, Folks? This is the kind of man who aspires to run your lives. Eric is the poster child for Progressive Elitists who fancy themselves capable of making your life choices, whether you like it or not.

So please tell me Dave What value do you ever add to the conversation? What ideas do you have? I am still waiting!

And by the way Mr self appointed DaveH Zimmeman, I don’t think anyone needs you to mis-translate everything I post especially since you don’t seem to understand it either.

There is an ongoing problem here and it appears to be directly related to people’s bias. They are incapable of reading something all the way through. Stopping and asking themselves if there is any value in a different point of view. Instead people immediately react.

Remember
First it is Ridiculed
Then it is Violently Opposed
and eventually it is Accepted

Eric must be hitting the Jack hard today.

Germany does have good companies but don’t pay their CEO outrageous salaries. The playing field is more level and most Europeans don’t fight like cats and dogs for corporate greed like we do in America. Each worker sacrifices for each other in Germany also. Where if a company slows down few are laid off but takes a reduction in pay to keep everyone working. Corporates here push workers into the unemployment lines yet continue to boost their own salaries. We are wicked to each other these days.

Eric the Red, between what you’ve stated in the past, yesterday and how you’ve started today off, I’m getting a little concerned about whether you do or do not have the capicity to refrain yourself from going “postal” when you blow your lid.

I’m also starting to see some your rants are becoming eerily similar to that of the commie/socialists involved in the early organizing of labor unions of the ’30′s and ’40′s.

Here’s an editoria from Max Shachtman, the editor of the Trotskyist movement’s ongoing theoretical magazine The New International’s(1937) about the political situation in the United States.

“It is entirely inconceivable that American imperialism can succeed in resisting the inexorable tendencies that are pulling it into the vortex of the coming world war.

“If the working class is unable to prevent the outbreak of war, and the United States enters directly into it, our party stands pledged to the traditional position of revolutionary Marxism.

“It will utilize the crisis of capitalist rule engendered by the war to prosecute the class struggle with the utmost intransigence, to strengthen the independent labor and revolutionary movements, and to bring the war to a close by the revolutionary overthrow of capitalism and the establishment of proletarian rule in the form of the workers state.”

Shows how much you know and how little you comprehend what you read or maybe you didn’t even read it all the way through. If you are too lazy to do your own research I will help you out with just one excellent example out of many examples.

Mondragon http://www.mondragon-corporation.com/ENG.aspx http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation

And yes there are many success stories all over the world and even in America.

Do you ever wonder why most of you have never heard of them or it is never a topic of discussion on your favorite media?

Shows how much you know and how little you comprehend what you read or maybe you didn’t even read it all the way through. If you are too lazy to do your own research I will help you out with just one excellent example out of many examples.

Mondragon

And yes there are many success stories all over the world and even in America.

Do you ever wonder why most of you have never heard of them or it is never a topic of discussion on your favorite media?

Yet another example of Eric’s condescension for the ideas of another.
Eric has been prolific today. But I think his comments fall under the umbrella of the Mark Twain quote — “It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt”.

Well at least Dave I am not afraid of speaking up and putting forth ideas. All you do is criticize.

Eric..Dave H doesn’t criticize all the time. He also pastes links to Mises articles which he hasn’t read yet feels authoritative to give positive comment on…lol you want a laugh? Ask him for independent thought…lol

Thank you Flashman and Eric for showing the readers your typical Liberal manipulative efforts. It’s like arguing with eighth graders.

At least DaveH will post links Flushy. You do not post links to anything or even mention your sources without a direct link. Logical conclusion, you have no sources or links to provide because they do not exist.

Oh here we go DaveH woke up and is at his usual limited best.

You can keep repeating your lies over and over like a good little Fascist Dave it won’t make it any truer.

I never profess anything about stealing your money. I only put forth IDEAS about AGREEING to work and live differently which some people in the world have CHOSEN to do and they are being quite SUCCESSFUL while we are merely CRASHING and soon BURNING.

You want to blame me and my ideas when in reality the ideas are put forth are almost never tried while your pretend free market and conservative, really fascist ideas are what’s driven this country and the world economy into the ground.

I am so glad that you have finally come fully out of the closet, Eric, so the other readers can have a good example of where we’re headed if we let Progressives grab any more control of our lives.

You can be so condescending Dave H. Much of the economic collaspe was brought to us from reckless Capitalists (whether crony or “pure”). They hit and ran with their loot and those that didn’t got help from our “socialist” government. Either way they made out pretty darn good. Maybe a “purer” form of Capitalism would work but I doubt if Conservatives would be any kinder. They will continue to be the haves (in attitude) and to hell with the have nots. History has also proven their behavior in how they treat those below them. Kinda like communism in reverse.

may be that your “mind is so open” that your brain fell out!?

No ideas are okay…but living in an unrealistic vacuum isn’t!

Tardhappy aint cool dude… and if you think pimping up obunghole is cool, you definitely are tardhappy…

Amen, Eric!

Hear, hear Eric.

Eric says — “Personally I am not afraid of ideas, books and alternative viewpoints”.
So explain to us, Eric, why so many of your comments are filled with condescension, name-calling, and other adolescent manipulative techniques against those who state ideas that you disagree with?

Eric, you, Karlolyn, Doc and ideology that y’all follow is the closed minded view! Y’all believe that you have the right to live your lives the way you wish without having to endure citicisim from people who don’t agree! That my dear comrades is fascim!!! Whatever two (Or more!) consenting adults do behind closed doors is between them and God, if you don’t want to hear that it’s sin, then KEEP YOUR TRASH BEHIND CLOSED DOORS!!! We’re not about silencing anyone, but having an open adult (I realyze that I also can be a little adolesent at times! As Deerfootinmouth can attest, LOL!!!) conversation about the issues! You poor, naked, wretched souls (Rev. 3:14-22) have put YOURSELVES on such a high intellectual plain that you actually BELIEVE that y’all KNOW what’s best for the rest of us, when in reality, the world is in the shape that it’s in because your ideology has already gone too far!!! It’s called amorality, if it feels good, do it, whatever floats your boat, etc.!!!

You must love reading Mein Kampf.

DaveH
To err is human, to forgive is divine.

I will stop the name calling if you and your gang of thugs stop the name calling on everyone one of my posts. I am not a commie marxists not even a socialist, and I would love to believe that you are all not fascists.

And I am sorry but some of you are definitely rude, mean, uneducated,morons!

Eric, Karolyn, Doc,

It is good to learn about true history and the types of governments many nations have had and compare…

Oligarchy, Monarchy, Socialism, Communism, Marxism, Fascism, and Capitalism…

And when all have done so I would think that MOST people would choose the type of government that does NOT Control their every move and choice and starve or imprison them, but gives them the MOST Freedoms and Liberties of any government… our Republic and its Constitution have done that …until twisted power hungry men over-ride the Constitution and take them away… and we are left less FREE.

Eric – Since you like to use the word “woe”, you might want to consider what it is you are putting across here, because “woe” is, indeed, what we see coming from the Left.

Perhaps you mean “whoa”. Or, maybe it’s more like a Freudian slip? More likely, though, it’s simple ignorance. But then, it’s cool to be dumb in todays leftist mindset. Makes it so much easier to make use of you.

Had the Left not taken charge of our indoctrination system with the purpose of dumbing down our kids down, you’d have better use of the language to get your meaning across.

Not that many would even notice.

You tell him ladies!!! I know that I’ve posted this quote before, but this seems like a perfect time for it!
“Democracies have serious drawbacks. They certainly are not better than they ought to be. But corruption can occur under any kind of government. And I think that every serious student of history will agree, upon consideration, that our Western democracies are not only the most prosperous societies in history – That is important, but not so very important – but the freest, the most tolerant, and the least repressive large societies of which we have historical knowledge… One must fight those who make so many young people unhappy by telling them we live in a terrible world, in a capitalist hell. The truth is we live in a wonderful world, in a beautiful world, and in an astonishingly free and open society. Of course it is fashionable, it is expected, and it is almost demanded from a Western intellectual to say the opposite.” – Karl Popper

Let’s face it, Eric. You have no choice but to make an effort to manipulate people with name-calling, condescension, and ridicule because your ideology has no logical legs on which to stand.

Flushdouche, you’re the one who’s hilarious dude!!! You have put yourself soooo high on this self-imposed pedestal that you’d better be careful that you don’t (Well it could be argued that you already have!) lose consciousness and fall!!! What a dull thud that would make! Now I know you guys aren’t going to take that, and want y’all to know that I was quite offended that I didn’t make Flushy’s Hall of Fame! I know that it’s to purposely tee me off!!! I feel so… so… so rejected guys! Snifff…

As usual, in lieu of factual comment, Flashman prefers slander.
For those who might think Flashman has some credibility (follow the whole thread to get the full exposure of the Sociopath who calls himself Flashy):
http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/25/your-choice-ron-paul-or-a-wheelbarrow/#comment-517886

More evidence of Flashman’s Sociopathy (Jovianus aka Flashman). Look for Bob Livingston’s comment:
http://personalliberty.com/2011/05/16/what-now/#comment-341930

No…but i probably could in one or two of the modules. Could you? Think about that in re: a closed mind concept and inability to have independent thought.

Just how long ago did you have your lobotomy Flushduche?!!

Eric you are deffinately a pinko commie fag, so you should glady agree with Wayne 100%

“Could it be that an intelligent well read person can never really ever be pigeonholed into a one ism limited set of beliefs?”

Why can many people not see this obvious fact? They jut want to pigeonhole everyone – each person in a neat little box.

Whatever Brad!, you on the other hand are just an imbecile rude arse hole.

It could be that an intelligent well-read person knows reality but prefers to continue taking advantage of others due to a lack of morality.

Eric, you still around spewing your lame brain nonsense?!! Well said Brad! BRAVO!!!
STEALTH?!! Only to the freakin’ BLIND!!! Let me ax you a question, would Van Jones still be O’s green czar had it not been for Glenn Beck and his crack team of researchers not exposed him for the Marxist and revolutionary that he is?! Everything that the man does reaks of socialism!!! How many of his czars are avowed Maxists?!! He going right along with the “Rules for Radicals” playbook, step by step, bottom up, top down, inside out! Just like assembling a Lego model! WAKE UP AMERICA WHILE IT’S STILL NOT TOO LATE!!!
Wayne, I love ya Bro, but who dresses you?!!

You’d have to be hardup to want to pigionhole you Karlolyn!!! I tryed to find a Youtube video of Wayne on the Daily Show, it doesn’t exist yet.

One might wonder where is Eric, the pigeonhole policeman, when Flashman says stuff like this — “The GOP and the wacked Right (to include the TP and the American Taliban)”.

Karolyn,
If the box fits ….

Eric the Red says “Wow and scary”. BUT! He so often tells us how we are also fearful of “change” and what he refers to as “progressives” and “progressive thoughts”. Imagine that? I think Eric the Red thonks we’re all delusional for wanting to cling to the vision’s of our founding fathers, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. Yeah, Eric the Red wants freedom for all, as long as it’s the “progressive” freedom that you envision. Now that’s truly scary.

Sirian has it right Eric the Red. We’re Not In Kansas anymore!
Progressivism advocates—then and now—a total break from the principles of freedom articulated in our founding documents, particularly the Declaration of Independence. It seeks to either get around or dismantle limitations on government power, the very constitutional limitations established in the Constitution for the protection of individual freedom.

For this reason, the progressives desire for something old in world history, not something new.

“No
advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people.

Those who wish to proceed in that direction cannot lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.”
- President Coolidge, July 1926

As such, in the context of individual freedom progressives seek to roll back, not forward, the hands of progress; they seek .regression, not progression.
http://www.freedomlessons.net/freedom4.html

So what you are saying is that O knows how to play up to people. Today he will be Republican to the Republicans, Socialist to the Socialists, Liberal to the Liberals, Leftist to the Leftists, Democrat to the Democrats, Christian to the Christians, Athiest to the Athiest, a woman to the women’s movement. I can expand and carry this to its’ natural conclusion.

Killer quote JeffH!!!

Kate, Jeff, etc. I really cannot believe that you truly think that people who post on this site with views opposing yours are being paid. It just boggles my mind! What is wrong with political discourse? It appears that you don’t want it but would rather just keep preaching to the choir and supporting each other’s beliefs without any challenge. Sounds kinda like fascism. I can’t believe that NOTHING Flashy or Eric, etc. has ever said has caused you pause. You talk of liberals wanting everyone to be like them when you are doing the same thing. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, because of the variety of views posted here, I have learned a great deal and have changed over the past two years or so. I appreciate the opposite views I read because I learn from them. Thank goodness we don’t all agree on everything.

Karolyn says “Kate, Jeff, etc. I really cannot believe that you truly think that people who post on this site with views opposing yours are being paid. It just boggles my mind!”

Well Karolyn, I, too, have no doubt that your mind is boggled and am not the least bit surprised that you would say that. I’m sure there is a lot more that you don’t understand in life
that boggles your mind. Naive comes to mind!

Socialism is incremental and, to most, a non-issue until it’s too late. When it comes to Obama, res ipsa loquitur. After more than three years of Obama’s socialist actions, any other explanation, whether packaged with a PhD, is disingenuous or ignorant at best. Socialism is as socialism does.

A well-read and informed person would realize that certain “other” ideas, like socialism, have come in incremental and stealthy ways throughout modern history and, due to their inherent fallacies (e.g., denial of inalienable rights), have failed every time. A well-read and informed person would just say “no” and focus on productive things likely to accomplish real progress, and not the faux progress of progressives.

Who can put principals behind the labels Republican and Democrat? Socialist, and some conservatives, don labels that are palable with the people and then gradually change them to fit their own agenda. An early 1900 Liberal would sound like Ron Paul if you can believe that. Lenin told his workers to introduce and change words because people think in words and there accepted definitions is what the people are. Lenin’s teachings are a mentor for Obama. Clinton did that with the word “is” and got with his amoral actions. The smart deviate was “funnin” with the people. I use a reproduction of Noah Websters 1828 dictionary and believe me its 180 degrees out with todays definitions. Obama and his ilk are dangerous beyond measure. Hitler said, give me one generation and I’ll make them to be what I want.

And we’ll keep workin’ on ya Karlolyn, won’t we JeffH?!! I know, kinda like watchin’ paint dry!

Tom W., I take no particular pleasure in pointing out Karolyn’s lack of self awareness and naivety. I know that here intentions come from a good heart.

Jeff – A paid shill would not slip and say he was doing research. thank you for your insight into who I really am.

Karolyn, a “smart” paid shill would not slip and say he was doing research.

falsy is not a very smart person Karolyn
And your welcome!

Karolyn – In your case, since you post on blogs while at work, you ARE getting paid to blog, whether that is part of your job description or not.

Either way, the taxpayers are covering it.

Karolyn you do not have to believe any of us. A little googling would give you the answer that we have told you people are indeed paid to post on sites. You might be missing an opportunity –

Eric, the obama’s “ISM” is COMMUNISM of the Soviet school. He is sleeping and dreaming to establish Dictatorial Tyrannous regime first in America, second GLOBALLY thru the UN, the head of which he is planning to be – such kind of the GLOBAL messiah – “seviour”.

Eric, I am sure you know the FACT that obama never attended the Columbia College as he claimed in his books. Indeed at that exact time he was attending the Moscow Patrice Lumumba University (USSR) for the foreign students (from Africa and Latin America) about which he never nowhere reported. (Google Patrice Lumumba and find out who he was.) The FRAUD obama was enrolled in as a student from Kenya under the name Barak Mounir Ubayd. What students studied there: Marxism, International Communism, how establish communist regimes in countries. His grandfather and mother were communists; his father had communistic views. Why his mother studied Russian?

Eric, none of your “labels” are describing CHARLATAN’s views. In reality he is RACIST, ANTI-conservative, ANTI-American, ANTI-Constitution, ANTI-Tea Party, ANTI-Christian and therefore is unequivocal antagonist to the Christian Church, and he has strong desire of her complete disappearance as it was in the Soviet Union. Communism teaches that “Church is the opium for people”. Why? Because the real Christian Church is the obstacle for the acceptance of immorality (homosexuality, adultery, lust, envy, lie, corruption, etc.) in the society. And stupid Christian are worshiping to CHRIST and not CORRUPT LEADER and reject any and all UNBIBLICAL ideology.

And in addition he is CRIMINAL/FELON.

Proud AMERICAN, proud BIGOT, proud HOMOPHOBE and proud ISLAMOPHOBE.

God bless America.

Boy, those drugs you are on must be really strong stuff. The hallucinations you are experiencing are simply surreal.

Kate – As I told you the other day, you don’t know when I work or what I do, so don’t tell me what I’m doing.

Karolyn, one who keeps tripping over his over-extended ego would slip up. Can’t help but demonstrate his ‘craftiness’ -

What America has rotting it and wasting it away is the racially mixed up adopted illegitimate child of a 17-18 year old unmarried girl by a 25 year old, already married non-American African foreign adulterer, called Obama, they begot. Obama is passing himself as “a natural born Citizen.” by refuting the Constitution and all international adoption laws.

Obama, in actuality is simply a “No Person” constitutionally and America’s enigma of an unqualified illegal president, who is totally incompetent and unknown historically. Obama is not even a legal America citizen, who once existed under the name of Barry Soetoro as a Muslim, schooled as an Indonesia citizen, speaking Arabic reciting their Koran. Obama never repatriated himself, for he never was qualified as an American with an adopted foreigners surname and a recorded Indonesian citizenship. Obama’s name change confirms he was never a “natural born Citizen” as was Rosemary’s Baby from New York, New York, constitutionally, while entering America as a foreign exchange student.

Obama’s own mother’s Deaf Certificate, reads Mrs. Lolo Ann Soetoro. Barry’s own mother denied Obama’s alleged surname in death. Dare “We the People” stand to correct and talk about this racial division and deny his charge of racial incest, black on white cracker racial hatred spewed by Obama, who does personify it, criminally?

When Obama states:

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction!”

“America is not a Christian nation!”

“There is none worthy of being worshiped except Allah!”

This racially mixed up un-American seditionist enigma called Obama/Soetoro has no conscience or creditability and is certainly “No Christian” or American! Obama has a wealthy sickroom of Hollywood following mannequin actors and union seducers under constant suicidal watch of care givers like the old Bolshevik style progressive party of Margaret Sanger and Hillary Clinton postulate, very odd, Obama’s type is on their list for extermination, deemed inferior, LOL! They are actually a wild bunch of guiltless elite political pundit wannabe hacks of the mass media that will sway voters and support him, LOL journalistically, willfully destroying America consciously, reciting change and lies!

This guy is certifiable . . . I think he has escaped from the asylum

Karolyn,
Are you commenting on or reading PL during work hours?

karolyn – It is you, yourself, who has told us where you work and what you do.

You have also told us that you blog while at work. Since you have a day job, I have to assume that this is true.

If some of that has changed, then you are right, I don’t know what you do. My comment was based on your past information.

Just like the self-proclaimed “Patriotic” conservatives are stealth Nazi’s. Like the Nazi party under Adolph Hitler, the “Ministry of Propaganda” (Fox News) started a massive smear campaign to malign and degrade other parties (Democrats), social (Gays and Lesbians), religious (Muslims), and ethnic (poor black and laboring Hispanics) groups. We have witnessed “Radical Right Winger Ultra Conservative” using big government to limit people’s freedom of choice in the past. Just look at the mess the borders are with conservative drug laws. These laws have made matters worse instead of better since “Adolph Reagan” declared a “War on Drugs”. In 1986 we incarcerated 200,000 people and today it is more than a million. Now if your measure is conservatives have run up one of the biggest bureaucracies to incarcerate more Americans at the tune of about $40,000 per prisoner on the American tax payer for committing and act or poor personal choice, then they win hands down. Furthermore, the drug industry was an unorganized bunch of hoodlums making a few bucks, but now the “Job Creators have created an $800 billion a year enterprise making damn near what we pay for our military. Sorry Wayne Allan Root, but the real problems of this country emanate from those who pretend to be the protectors of it. The Data and not the rhetoric of the “Ministry of Propaganda” have shown it to be true.

You’re correct, Mr. Obama has indeed been exposed to other ideas, ideas that are contrary to American ideas. Such ideas would be communism and Islamism.

Most all of his mentors, friends, professors, and advisors have been socialists or communists from his parents, to Frank Marshall Davis his pedophile communist mentor, to the friends and professors he chose in college, to Cooper Union, to Alice Palmer in the IL State senate, to Saul Alinsky, to his leftist lawyer wife, to the starters of his political career the domestic terrorist Ayers and the communist New Party, to the Rev. Wright and Liberation theology, to Rahm Emanuel, to Van Jones, to Mike McKnight a Maoist, and to Rashid Khalidi a radical professor.

Eric, you and Brad have much in common. Neither of you are able to hold a cogent debate but need to engage is vulgar name calling, canards, and ad hominem attacks. It’s quite puerile. Also you dishonestly set up straw men so as to knock them down with spacious arguments. It’s so progressive/socialist.

I agree completely. The right has nothing at all. Screaming that this war on women is made up by the dems as every day there is yet another story featuring a Republican attacking women. I find it amazing that this author can feed himself.

Cmon, Flashy, seriously? There are 80 ADMITTED socialists in Congress. They caucus together and CALL themselves socialists. This is not some secret club – they’re very open about it.
If you’re coming on here, better get your facts straight.

Keep bowing to the blue lipped messiah, you brown nosed fool!!!

You got it right again Flashy.

kevein….try as I mjight, i could not find a socialist caucus. perhaps you’d care to be more specific ?

And I’ll call you out on the “admitted Communist’ statement. That i’d like to see you prove. it’s nowhere near truthful

That is right…if you LISTENED to that creep Obama…but he sure isn’t governing as “middle” of the road…that was to get votes! This man, Obama, has sure pulled the wool over the the brainwashed followers! As far as Obama being intelligent…no…he is an elitist Chicago thug!!! Both Michelle and he lost their license as lawyers because of fraud!
Not one of his brainwashed Lambies even bother to vet this person!

SURELY YOU JEST!!! THE OBAMANATION OF DESOLATION!!! THE LIAR OF ALL LIARS HAS COME TO STEAL KILL AND DESTROY AND IS DOING IT VERY SUCCESSFULLY!!! IF YOU CANNOT SEE THIS, YOUR EYES ARE WIDE SHUT!!! LIKE A LAMB TO SLAUGHTER HE LEADS HIS SHEOPLE TO THE KNIFE THAT CUTS TO BLEED THE NATION OF IT’S WEALTH AND PRODUCTIVITY. IF WE ARE DOOMED TO HAVE HIM AGAIN AS PREZ, HE WILL FINISH WHAT HE BEGAN, AND THAT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNITED STATES. IF HE GETS RE-ELECTED, GOD HELP US ALL. EVEN YOU, FLASHY. YOU PROBABLY ARE FLASHY BUT NOT TOO BRIGHT!!!!

nanette…this president has been nothing but a conservative Moderate from Day One. Only those with a tenuous grip on reality would state differently.

Proof is ample. The GOP and the wacked Right (to include the TP and the American Taliban) has to distort, lie, and take out of context any policy in order to demonize it. The GOP cannot come up with alternatives to most of the policies he has championed. And even on this site…there are literally none who can offer up alternatives to his policies other than something which is so radical as to defy reason and rational thought.

Right on Jake, he is a definite communist. The actions he has taken to remove liberty from the people are dead on in the commie playbook. You morons that think he’s a moderate better wake the hell up before you got nothing left to wake up to. Unless of course, you are commies too. If that’s the case, and I’m sure that is more often true than naught, feel free to leave for one of the other 195 countries that have a hell of a lot less capitalism than we have had here and wallow in your socialist/communist utopia… leave us the hell alone so we can get back to being the best of the best… obunghole is a communist and needs to go!

falsy___

http://www.restoreamericanliberty.com/WhoaretheSocialists.pdf

Try using the search engine,specifically under the term”Democratic Socialists”vis avie congressional members then Flashy,and perhaps you will catch what you are fishing for,although I have my doubts that you put a line in the water to begin with.
Ignorance is much more blissful dont you think?-CC.

Angel….please see above where i stated “The GOP and the wacked Right (to include the TP and the American Taliban) has to distort, lie, and take out of context any policy in order to demonize it.’

y’all are beyond description and go to extremes which causes one to shudder at those extremes .. and causes open laughter that you actually think you are a “patriot’.

Do you know for sure that Rep West is not correct or are you guessing? Have you personally delt with and checked out each and every member of Congress? ? That is the reason the country is in the state it is in (Obma being the President) because people like you followed like sheep and believed the crap they were fed by the liberal media.

Flashman once again proves his lack of credibility.
Flashman says — “If one listened to what President Obama was campaigning on in ’08, it was a moderate/slightly conservative platform. Nothing radical about it. He espoused solid, reasonable economic policies which he has acted upon”.
Of course he did. He (like most Sociopathic Politicians) told the voters whatever it took to get elected.
The truth:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
Given that Flashman works so hard at his misinformation, I have to conclude that he is at least above average intelligence. So what else could he be, but a Sociopath — one who does whatever it takes to get what he wants, damn morality.

Flashy

One of the actions of Progressives is the doctrine of distorting facts to outlandish proportions. Did Obama’s people write this tripe for you?

You claim “Obama campaigned on a moderate/slightly conservative platform”. Truth is, except for telling Joe “Spread the wealth around” (gee, nothing radical about that), he never talked about economics (he couldn’t run a candy store), and people were dumb enough to vote for him anyway.

Then you claim “He counseled a steady path in foreign policy matters which are by any measure a success”. Success?? Really?? Where? He is the laughing stock of the rest of the world. He has made EVERYBODY mad.

Then you claim “He has on many occasions tried to work and compromise with Congress, only to be met with unreason and irrational stances”. Really? Show us one instance of compromise (Bush tax cuts and “single payer don’t count; HIS OWN PARTY WOULDN’T BACK HIM). What he does is lays out an intractable position, then screams “Bad Congress” when they don’t roll over.

But the most laughable (if we could just stop crying): “he is more aligned with Reaganesque policies and approaches than any other president since Reagan.” Reagan cut tax rates to bring in (at that time) record tax revenues and grow the economy; Obama – oh never mind! Reagan never tried to create a “Domestic armed force” like Obama is doing (yes, Obama did say he would do that during the waning days of the 2008 campaign, and people were dumb enough to vote for him anyway). And Reagan never had a congress vote AGAINST his budget 441-0 (THIS YEAR), and Reagan never had congress refuse to even consider his budget (Obama last year). And Reagan never sued a state for following the law (Arizona). And Reagan never had his NLRB goons try to prevent a company from building a factory (Boeing, SC). Or take over large chunks of our economy (bamking, ins, health, auto). Moderate like Reagan???? Get serious.

Finally your “Only the irrational, the Far Right, and the TPer led by the TP trilogy (fear, hate, ignorance) would deem this President anything but a solid Moderate”. Really??Compared to Stalin or Mao or everyone’s favorite Fascist (Hitler), or Hamas or Hezbollah, yeah, Obama is a moderate. And who is it who is REALLY not only using but fomenting fear, hate ignorance? Oh, yeah Ogama, using Alinski’s tried and true method to divide and conquer.

PLUNGER!!! Flushdouche, you are an idiot but sure have a talent for stirrin’ it up! I have to sit in amazement at just how talented at it you are!!!

Flashy you are knee deep in excrement. You are warped in big government control and especially in this establishment. You are blind to the obvious and in spite of the facts refuse to believe the obvious. Yes, the Founding Fathers were so radical, so radical in fact that they fought a Revolutionary War to change they way they were being treated. Maybe you need a history lesson. The history of this country goes back much farther then the last 15 years, before Clindon and Carter. The Republican of today is where the Democrat of yesteryear was and the Democrat of today have become socialist in nature and ideas. Don”t ruin my country. Move. You say this is your country so you will not move. If it is your country and you like the ideas you would not want to change it. SO MOVE. Move to Cuba or another communist country.

w_-FALSY__won’t move, _ he gets paid hansomly by the GUV to disrupt Conservative blogs and keep the division alive and well. I’d even wager a guess he doesn’t believe half of what he spews!

I’m hate to tell you this, but Obama has not tried to compromise with the republicans,it was his way or no way.He has walked out of meetings,because he could not get his way.If you had been awake you would know this…………The republicans has offered job bill after job bill, and the democrats will not bring them to the floor Why because it’s not their ideal or Obama’s………..just keep track on the goverment web sites and you will learn a few things………

Flashy, You like so many others are so solid in your beliefs that you would vote for a terrorist if they were to run as a Dem. Don’t take this personal, there are Rep. that would do the same on the other side of the fence.We call them diehards Dems. are Dem. and will vote Dem. regardless of who the person is. Repubs. are Rep. and will vote Rep. regardless of who the person is. I can only hope that you can see where I am coming from. As for me I will not vote for anyone that is now in office, I am an independent, and only vote for a person after doing my own research. I will not listen to the media, they don’t report the truth, and at times they don’t report on news that we need to hear for fear of the consequences. The fact is that WE THE PEOPLE have allowed the people in Washington to do as they please for too long and it is time to replace all incumbents,and send a message that WE THE PEOPLE are still in charge. Now you can vote Dem. or Rep.I really don’t care as long as you vote to send the message,,, WE THE PEOPLE WILL NO LONGER TOLERATE YOUR SELF CENTERED ACTIONS. YOU WILL DO THE JOB YOU WERE SENT TO DO AND ONLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OR GET FIRED. It would seem that getting fired is the only message they will understand.I won’t say I am for or against any one person, that is my personal opinion and you will have to live with yours. I don’t think that you can disagree that we need to get control of our country again,and stop leaving it up to the few ellected.

And who are you Big Daddy, Barney Frank’s boyfriend?!! Why they’re absolutely PROUD Kevin, Sheila Jackson Lee even started up the “Silverback” chapter of the American Socialist’s Party!!!
Combat! LOL!!!
Doc, you need a doc!!!
SIC ‘EM Nanette!!!
Galen, BRAVO!
You don’t get it Dodge?!! Although they were born morons (And ya know what the comedian Ron White say’s about stupid!), they’re communists ALSO!!!
Did anybody ever play the politically incorrectly named game, “Smear the Queer” when they were growin’ up?! A group would get together and throw a football up in the air, whoever had the nads to catch the ball was, you guessed it, and it was everybody else duty to smear that person!!! Well everybody, guess who’s got the ball ?! FLUSHDOUCHE!!!

Flashy says, “He counseled a steady path in foreign policy matters which are by any measure a success.”

By any measure? Better re-think that one.

Yes and the point is Flashy he lied during his 08 campaign. The hole asshole’s beleifs are a 180 of what he campained and is now camapining. just wait and see what happens if the jigaboo steals this election too.

“As for me I will not vote for anyone that is now in office,…” <— Eugene

i'm all for that. As I have stated in past postings…while i will not vote GOP in the General this year…i'm not an idiot nor robot wanting to cede this nation to propagandists and anti-American elements…I will not vote for any Incumbent during the primary.

TML … yes, by any measure Pres. Obama's foreign policy is a success. One can always hope for more, but what has been done is all that could reasonably be expected. .

You must be talking about Obama when you talk about fear, hate, etc. He is the most divisive President I have seen in my 72 years. He is certainly as moderate as his heroes, Alinsky, Hitler, Lenin, Marx, Ayers, etc. He has a deep seated hatred for the United Kingdom for the way they treated his grandfather he never knew, and it transfers to his ambition to fundamentally transform America into something we will not recognize.

What are you on Jukebox? It’s not good for older people to combine drugs. There is nothing but evil from those who compare Obama to Hitler. Their ability to think correctly are completely gone and irrational.

falsy says “nette…this president has been nothing but a conservative Moderate from Day One.”

Why am I not surprised falsy would say that! You’ve taken your ridiculous and intentional banter to new heights, up into the stratosphere.

“Obama is also an Alinskyite, a Marxist community organizer and nothing more… Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.

Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing and Obama has obviously uses his

.err..darn computer

“Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing” and Obama has obviously used you flashy, or hasn’t he?

“The tenth rule… is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments”

Flashy and Big Daddy, what Republicans are attacking women and in what way?

***IMPORTANT MESSAGE***IMPORTANT MESSAGE***

FALSY HAS ADMITTED THAT HE IS PAID FOR BEING HERE AT PLD DOING “RESEARCH” FOR HIS JOB!

here’s falsyy’s exact words – “And I’m on this site partly for entertainment, partly for standing up for America, and partly as a segment of my research to do my job.”
http://personalliberty.com/2012/04/06/do-the-media-want-a-race-war/#comment-572798

The “standing up for America” part means “his vision of America, not the Founder’s vision”

IN OTHER WORDS,
FALSY IS A PAID SHILL FOR THE MARXIST, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE COMMUNISTS!

Angelwannabe, Flashy is definitely a “True Believer” in what he posts.

If Obama were the “socialist” some jokers say he is, the government would own the banks and the insurance companies. So where can I pick up my card to be a ‘card-carrying socialist”? Will my AARP card do?

“*IMPORTANT MESSAGE***IMPORTANT MESSAGE***

FALSY HAS ADMITTED THAT HE IS PAID FOR BEING HERE AT PLD DOING “RESEARCH” FOR HIS JOB!” <— jeffH

Wow…how you turned "researching" into being paid for being here is beyond comprehension. So if i go to the library, i'm being paid to browse library books and spy on librarians? When i go to PGE and look at generational outputs, sources, and sector usages i'm a spy for CRB? When i travel to the Ag Dept at the capital and look over planting and field reports I'm a plant to environmentalists? When i meet with the local lumber, paper and steel mills to discuss import pricing and exports i'm a plant for the Chinese? LOL

Wow …. Y'all are full of self delusional importance if you think there are paid operatives coming to this site to disrupt it or monitor it.

but then…JeffH isn't exactly known for a high level of intellectual prowess.

It’s no wonder falsy has no credibility…with responses like this: “Wow…how you turned “researching” into being paid for being here is beyond comprehension.”

Question, are you paid by your job for your research? You are the one who said it’s “for your job”, not me! Are you saying that you work for nothing?

falsy goes on to say “Wow …. Y’all are full of self delusional importance if you think there are paid operatives coming to this site to disrupt it or monitor it.”

“but then…JeffH isn’t exactly known for a high level of intellectual prowess.”

That’s not what I said in my comment and I’m far from being delusional. BUT…there are bloggers that are paid to disrupt websites and for you to say it isn’t true is, well uh, what I would expect from someone someone who has a job that includes reaserching this website and spews the constant lies and rhetoric that you do on a daily basis despite your lying and being exposed as a liar on a daily basis.

That you see me as not having a high level of intellectual prowess leaves me to wonder just what, if any, intellect you even possess at all. That you’re paid to be here does shed some important light on that thought!

falsy, I will make a correction to my last comment.

I did say “FALSY IS A PAID SHILL FOR THE MARXIST, SOCIALIST, PROGRESSIVE COMMUNISTS!”

I find no fault in making that statement based on your history here.

JeffH – Good catch!

I don’t care how much these Obots (we know which ones they are) try to deny it, we are on to them. It is so obvious that they are here for only one purpose: to disrupt, ridicule, accuse, and spount leftist propaganda (even when it flies in the face of the obvious).

The very fact that what they say makes no sense most of the time, and that they have to resort to absolute nonsense that boggles the mind of any person capable of rational thought, kind of leaves little doubt that they are simply being paid to post such idiocy. And post it over, and over, and over… day after day after day…

Now that we’re on to them, it’s easier not to recoil in horror that some people are so twisted. We know what they are doing, and why.

So let them knock themselves out while they can. We have the truth on our side.

If you call Obama’s anti-American behavior “Moderate”……..

Obama – “We Need a Civilian National Security Force Just as Well Equipped as the Military”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ecDxMQcsLg&feature=related

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) orders 450 million .40 caliber hollow point cartridges, and 175 millon .223 caliber cartridges. (Note: Hollow point cartridges are illegal, per the Geneva Convention):
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-immigration-agents-are-loading-up-on-as-many-as-450-million-new-rounds-of-ammo-2012-3

Obama signs ‘takeover’ Executive Order on 6 March, 2010:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

……then what’s your description of ‘Far Left’???

Whatever JeffH…you can fantisize about some conspiracy or a paid disruptive force all you want if that’s what gives you a kick. Research is a part of being able to do my job, I’m on several political sites of all spectrums of the political ‘will”, and I wouldn’t break a sweat if Mr. Livingstone called Strike Three on me, unwarranted as I may think it.

This is by far one of the most extremist boards i have ever seen, and the degree of delusion and ceding control of independent thought is amazing especially when considering the number of posters and compared to other political sites.

Mr. Livingston, 45, and a few others I would call true Conservatives who would feel comortable with the conservative standards of Goldwater and Buckley. Not controlled in thought or reason, and carry an honest belief system. For the most part, however, taking into account that this is anonymous posting and folks can say what they want without fear of damaging thier reputations, there are more than a few ‘loose ends’ floating around…

Flashy says, “TML … yes, by any measure Pres. Obama’s foreign policy is a success. One can always hope for more, but what has been done is all that could reasonably be expected.”

Well, I don’t consider – unjustified unilateral military action against a sovereign in Libya, military actions in Yemen, continuing the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan despite promises to the contrary, needless sanctions on Iran while they are allowed to develop nuclear energy under the Non-proliferation treaty, and calling for the removal of a sovereign in Syria – anywhere close to a successful foreign policy, and nowhere near ‘reasonable’.

So, by my measure, his foreign policy is an absolute failure. Whether you agree with that or not is a matter of opinion, and so… it isn’t successful by ‘any measure’.

In fact, one could more reasonably say that, by any measure, his foreign policy is an utter failure… because he promised one thing during his campaign in 2008 and did the exact opposite once he was in office. His promises that got him elected, failed.

So, again, you ought to re-think that

falsy says “whatever”(sounds like a 15 y/o) Then goes on to say he would consider Mr. Livingston and 45 as true conservatives.

Why should we take the word of that he has a clue of what is a “true conservative”. Heck, he thinks Obama’s a “moderate conservative”!

falsy, there’s a valid reason why you have no credibility and you validate that with your every comment. You may think some of us are ignorant and stupid. You just make it so obvious who really is the ignorant one here.

‘You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time’

Hint, take a quick look in your mirror.

The only rational way to take such an extreme position, Flashy, is to ignore the fact that your baselines for what’s conservative and liberal, right and left, free market and socialist, are extremely skewed. This is a ridiculous post without defining terms first. Liberal progressives often engage is such arguments without doing so as if they have already redefined terms and framed the issues. You’ve skipped a step here… one that, if done in good faith, would reveal the extremity of your position and it’s irrelevance as a baseline for framing issues.

Flashy, Obama is a chasmatic liar, devoid of conscious. He saws a drowning nation and threw it the straw it was looking for. We took a nose dive with the Bush’s and Clinton, Bush Jr. the worst. Satan would of been better than Bush, or so we thought. He can tell the people what they think they want to hear. People have been trained to react, not act with reason. Question? That’s against his principals. “When I blowa da whis, everybody offa da dock”. That’s a Bush Jr. and Obama follower. Once when Stalin was going to the opera some officers approached with 129 prisoner and asked him what to do with them. He was in a hurry and replied: Oh just kill them, I’m in a hurry. That’s a fully unleashed Bush Jr. or Obama.

Good one JeffH!

JeffH -> “Why should we take the word of that he has a clue of what is a “true conservative”. Heck, he thinks Obama’s a “moderate conservative”!’

Try again. jeesh jeff, you’re slipping. usually you can spin a lie like a Master craftsman. You’ve been reading too many of DaveH’s posts…

I stated a “conservative Moderate”..much different than your allegations.

other than paste quotes and spout inane insults…can you give any rational workable opinion on anything? Anything at all?

falsy, “conservative moderate”? Speaking of a twisting and turning spinster, WTF is a conservative moderate? I do see that it was Paul Krugman who penned the idea of “Obama the Moderate Conservative” from an article written by Bruce Bartlett of The Fiscal Times.

You’re fooling only the fools and yourself falsy!

http://email.theblaze.com/gb40/c2.php?THBL/130266861/269407/H/N/V/http://www.theblaze.com/stories/allen-west-ive-heard-80-house-democrats-are-communists-and-obama-is-too-scared-to-debate-me/

The regular readers know that Flashman has no credibility. So I’ll post his exact statement from April 6.
What Flashman really said about his job –> “And I’m on this site partly for entertainment, partly for standing up for America, and partly as a segment of my research to do my job”.
http://personalliberty.com/2012/04/06/do-the-media-want-a-race-war/#comment-572798

are you really that obtuse?

Patriot47,

Did you see angelwannabe’s site she posted?

Who are the 81 Socialists in Congress?

http://www.restoreamericanliberty.com/WhoaretheSocialists.pdf

Wow, I had seen that there were at least 60 self-avowed Communists in Congress, but now 81… mind boggling.

Anybody want to guess why were aren’t making any headway to restoring our Republic and Liberities…

Hope all will click on the site… thanks angelwannabe.

Thank you both! Excellent post Christin!!!

jay say; good one Jeff!

oh great! So some are better then others?

deer bob says DUH!

Mark, just where did you learn that impressive mouthful of psycho-babble? You’ve been watching too much TV, son. Go out and find an HONEST job.

Folks, check out this comprehensive video of ObamaCare details:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=HcBaSP31Be8&vg=medium

@Mark…What in God’s name is wrong with you? Have you not got a brain in your head? Wanting this illegal, fraud, lying SOB to be re-elected? You must be one of those couch potatoes sitting at home waiting on your welfare check every month. Get you some
“Obama bucks”. right? Because the average family on welfare has a disposable income of $34,080.00! So what incentive could any of you possibly have to work? That’s including all the entitlements welfare recipeints get; i.e., food stamps, housing, welfare checks. But with this much money from the goverment, no wonder you want to re-elect Obumma. Stay at home and sit on your @ss!!!

pretty much Mark! In the mean Chicken Little will be very busy!

Finally some sanity on this delusional world of make believe on this board.

I commend you for forgoing any attempt to hide your design.

I can deal with that!

Thank you for your honesty, it’s a rare thing to witness.

I wish there were more people were like you.

Alondra, I think you have drinking too much coffee. The caffeine is making you hallucinate. I bet you have terrible nightmares. Try some valium. Oh, you left out anti-Christ.

dio vindice! amen,tell it!

Your neighbors might have looked for their flags. I checked my basic load. When I was young I knew I was too slow to run, so I enlisted Infantry to learn how to take as many with me as possible. I’m now a lot older, somewhat slower, but still with just as bad an attitude in some areas. I don’t think I’m alone, but I’m with Horatius on the bridge. Que sera sera.

Baldmurph… yes, and your neighbors did the same? Went and put their battle gear on? We are so few. The Tea Party has been so compromised, I don’t even count them, but scoff at them.

Actually, no. Most of them were checking on their kids or expecting some damn fool to get blown away attempting a new strike on Pearl Harbor a few miles down the road. Since mine are adult and dispersed I chose to check my ability to respond to something up front and personal first.