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Vigilante Border Patrol?

April 11, 2012 by  

Vigilante Border Patrol?
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Roads on both sides of the border between the United States and Mexico.

In Arizona, a group of armed vigilantes have allegedly taken to conducting their own deadly border patrol missions.

At about 10:35 p.m. last Sunday, officers in Pima, Ariz., responded to a call of shots fired on a vehicle carrying illegal aliens into the United States.

Police say that the vehicle, which is thought to have been carrying about 30 aliens, was ambushed by an unknown number of men dressed in camouflage and armed with rifles. When the men opened fire, two of the passengers in the truck were killed.

Dawn M. Barkman, a spokeswoman for the Pima County Sheriff’s Department, told The Arizona Republic that police are unclear why the gunmen opened fire on the pickup, but the shooting happened in an area commonly used by human smugglers.

The surviving passengers fled into the desert, according to reports. Five were located hiding in the brush, interviewed by homicide detectives and turned over to the Border Patrol.

In a similar January 2007 incident, four men wearing camouflage and berets and armed with assault weapons killed a smuggling suspect and wounded another person after ambushing a vehicle in a nearby town. In March 2007, gunmen wearing dark clothing ambushed a vehicle loaded with more than 20 illegal aliens near Green Valley, south of Tucson, and killed two people.

While police currently have no suspects in the case and do not know the motive, some people believe the actions were acts of vigilante border patrol.

The incident comes as many Arizonians are becoming increasingly frustrated that the Federal government has not done more to secure the Southern border. Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen introduced S.B. 1083, a bill that would create a volunteer militia to patrol the State and pursue and apprehend illegal border crossers. The proposal is gaining little support in the State Legislature.

“Everybody just wants to sit around and gripe about it, complain about it, blame the federal government for it,” Allen told AzCapitolTimes. “But when it comes to saying, ‘What can we do as a state to really try to solve the problem?’ Now it’s all the reasons why we can’t solve this problem.”

Liability and training concerns have slowed legislative action on the initiative.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • polmutant

    let the UN troops come for training. we can teach them how to pushh posies!

  • joe lafond

    I am happy to hear that someone is taking the incentive to stop this full blown invasion of the country I spent 6 years defending to earn the rights of my family and I to live as citizens in peace only to have officials that are ready to ignore the illegal acts they have done by crossing our borders at will and taking our work, collecting our tax moneys to live here for free while we struggle to keep our families safe and fed God bless these heroes this may make a point to the illegals to follow proper channels to come here as our ancestors did and maybe to contribute to build the country rather then to use us as a welfare country

  • jimmy the greek

    Its about time !

  • http://personalliberty.com Jake

    Supposedly, these are vigilanty americans protecting the border. Maybe they’re mexican nationals coyotes, pissed of cause they didn’t make the money transfering these illegals to the US.

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    It maybe that some folks in Arizona feel that the time has come for less talk and more action in keeping out the invaders. Can anyone not understand why these folks just do not want illegals coming across their border as they wish? I fully understand and agree that it is a violation of one’s rights and privacy and surely any country or state has the right to screen who comes in or not. It begs the questions -who are they, what do they want and why do they insist on bothering us, because if they come looking for trouble, they will find trouble soon enough and more than they bargained for. Just because the government is lacking a back bone, does not mean the folks in Arizona have gone soft too! Sometimes one can just get sick and tired of the (expletive deleted) that goes on man!

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      There is also a legal issue here: the rights of citizens to be secure in their property. An illegal alien may pose a threat to that security and since the state belongs to the people they have a right to protect it as their property against all threats and too many of these illegals are criminals…well they all are if they try to enter illegally.

  • Jim

    some people believe the actions were acts of vigilante border patrol.

    And some of us wonder if its another “fast and furious” op.

    • 45caliber

      Jim:

      It could be another op, at that. After all, Oblama’s HS troops need training on how to execute Americans, don’t they?

      • Shakeyjake

        One way to find out . Do an autopsy and if the bullets are 40 cal hollow points, you have your answer .

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      Jim wrote: “And some of us wonder if its another “fast and furious” op.”

      I have an idea. Since our fascist government wants to considers its “subjects” guilty until proven innocent, why don’t WE start considering the fascist government “guilty until proven innocent.” When someone gets shot, we’ll just ASSUME that DHS is behind it until they can prove they weren’t. Sounds good to me. ;-)

  • http://Firefox John Golt

    Being a Member of the Communist Party and beinng a Rep/Sen. is and should be and ACT of TRESON!

    • Flashy

      How so?

      • polmutant

        Because communism is a type of marxism, as well as other isms, that lead to collective {commune}. Capitalism and our constitution is individualism. In God I trust. no government. God Bless America! God bless Israel! God Damn the Obamanation of desolation. no more feeding the welfare trash. no more welfare = no more color wanting to come here. death penalty for the illegal intruder and anyone who helps them.

      • Flashy

        I see …so Pol..you’d jail anyone who didn’t think or vote the way you’d want them to. They’d have to hold your political ideology or be jailed. Hokayyyyy

      • polmutant

        if the ideoligy is against US constitution then death. why should i feed 2 leg trash? why should i pay for things that do not concern my life? you feed the trash on your dime. not tax money. jail no expense too high. death is best. cut and dry.

      • eddie47d

        I think it was your “no color” comment that he is talking about POL. That makes you the unAmerican and working against the Constitution.

      • JC

        Because, dipstick, you can’t be a communist and swear to uphold the Constitution at the same time…DUH!

    • jimmy the greek

      Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin . in ether system the people that do the the work get screwed by the few at the top that run things

      • 45caliber

        jimmy:

        There is one difference. I prefer capitalism since there is at least a chance that I can at least work for one of them at a decent wage (as I’m doing now). Under communism or socialism, that is impossible. The only ones getting a decent wage there are those on top.

      • jimmy the greek

        @45 this country did not turn capitalist until the late 1800s it was not set up a a capitalist country it was set up as a republic capitalistism is something that was set up by the likes of the rothschilds and the bilderbergs and there kind the ones that were little hats and rock back and forth when praying

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        jimmy the greek says: “Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same coin . in ether system the people that do the the work get screwed by the few at the top that run things”

        You’re thinking of crony capitalism.

      • jimmy the greek

        Is there any other kind ? @ Jazzabell

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Yes jimmy the laissez-faire system we had before Reconstruction was a good example. No corporate welfare, no individual welfare.

      • JC

        I sure don’t see it that way jimmy.

        I think your making the mistake of comparing what we have today to capitalism. It isn’t.
        It isn’t true capitalism when the government is involved. that’s something called by many names. “Corporatism” is my favorite.
        True capitalists are people who learned a skil or developed a product that they could market…bakery’s, auto repair, manufacturing…all in a free market setting without Government intervention. Except in cases of property rights infractions/ damage which should be handled by the judiciary.
        But it isn’t “capitalism” as I believe was intended by the founders of the nation, or any truly free people.

        But as soon as you have bankers, CEO’s and Senators golfing together…you’re right, it might as well be the Politburo for all the represenation we have.

    • roy

      how about being a president?

  • Desert Eagle Vet

    How do they know it wasnt a rival drug cartell doing the killing? Inside information? Who called it in?

    • JC

      Good question.

  • Jake48

    It about time someone has done something right wrong or indifferent. Things cant go on the way they are we are becoming a suburb of Tijuana…..There getting heavy. We cant even support ourselves any more…..

  • crowvet

    If there were a couple thousand of Militia on the border I don’t think that the Feds would have the nerve to try and arrest a show of force of that many.

    • skippy

      Hmmmmm….now THAT’S a thought!!! :) KUDOS crowvet

  • http://aol woody

    They are fighting for whats left of their homeland,there is going to be much more of the same thing we’re fed up

  • crowvet

    Well isn’t that typical news media and corrupt government hand in hand. A Press found to have forged birth certificate, forged slective service records and criminal possesion of Social Secutity cards. This evidence uncovered by a Arizonia law enforcement agency. This gets no news coverage. These biggest criminal acts in US history is silent. Now because the American citizens with no where to turn, because of this criminal government,
    is protecting our boarders againsts illegal intruders and gets the news media crying unjust and criminal acts.
    Keep on going Arizonia Militia. What we need is a couple thousand Militia on the boarder showing the government what needs to be done. Keep up the good work doing the same thing. No one coming across the boarder other than at the legal check ppoints is legal and should be treated as such. No more cowering.

  • dee

    I am proud of the those that are doing what the gov wont do. I think a bounty would be a great idea. then the state would cry who will pay the bounty? still cheaper than having them here. We need more persons on the border to help out these others. I would if I were there. hang in there and may God protect you.

  • Larry

    Lets do what Stonewall Jackson would do when they asked him if they should take prisoners. He said no kill them all.

    • eddie47d

      Why would anyone endorse Conservative principles if that is your only and final answer. Seems like there is more to fear than illegals.

  • http://google Mary

    Further info, Grijalva is a member of the Communist party, what a representative eh???
    All about “justice” for the illegals, a member of MECHA, what a guy! WHY would you vote for such a jerk!!!

  • ROADKILL

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    • jimmy the greek

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      • Steve E

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      • polmutant

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      • Shakeyjake

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    • jay

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      • Shakeyjake

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    • castaway

      Offensive to who? Our damn government offends us everyday.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear castaway,

        Me.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • jimmy the greek

        Well bob your not turning pc on us are you ?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        It is his freedom to disallow offensive vulgar behavior, and it is his site, it has nothing to do with those foolish words politically correct – on your own site you are more than welcome to do whatever you choose. You don’t have to stay – you are free to leave anytime.

  • http://google Mary

    Another tidbit this district is the 7th, good ole Raul Grijalva, he is co-chair of the Progresssive Socialist caucus, and he LOVES his Mexican Amigo’s, he is for OPEN borders, check him out at wikipedia, his father was part of the Bracero’s, not sure what that was all about, but he is NOT looking out for LEGAL U.S. Citizens, it’s all about “cheap labor”, not cheap when we pay for their babies, housing, food stamps, and other things, what a deal, the land of honey to live in, and FREEBIES, and tax refunds!!!
    .

  • RivahMitch

    Three cheers for the Patriot defenders of American sovereignty. If the government won’t defend the borders, the citizens must… It also helps destroy the old canard about how much we “need” the government to do “essential” tasks.

    • leelee3

      What the hell is going on..a van with 30 criminals and only got 2 of them..that is what is called a good start, have those guns sighted in for the next time

    • JC

      I’m all for scaring the sh*t out of them and turning them around…but sniping at “people” in the dark is a capital crime on every level.
      Why cant the boys just fill the radiator full of lead, kill the vehicle and scatter the intruders back the way they came?

  • polmutant

    Hopefully this will catch on nation wide. when looking at statistics color=crime. just look at the District of Communists. maybe when the sheoples wake up the it will be discovered they have teeth.

  • http://google Mary

    Well, ole Janet said our border was more secure than ever, of course she is like her slave masters and lies, 30 people eh, HOW do you get that many in one van? Sure it’s secure when Obama goes there and slaps us legal citizens up side the head telling us we want crocs in the Rio Grande, they will be POURING over now that Obama told Univision Radio that he will work on the comprehensive immigration (read amnesty bill) in his next 5 years, WHY should they believe his lying mouth, he told them that in 2008 when he had TOTAL CONTROL of congress, but he worked on the un-affordable health care bill, one that will have us further in debt, he’s a stupid man!
    Call Dave Camp’s office 202 225-3561 and ask WHY he is holding up H.R.2885, the E-Verify bill, his office will LIE, so tell them you will be calling your representative U.S. Capitol Switchboard 202 224-3121 and ask them to put pressure on WHY this bill isn’t brought forward for a vote, Illegal Aliens can not get jobs with this bill!
    Sign up at numbersusa.com, and SEND FREE faxes to congress, and find articles that will open your eyes!!!

  • dan

    did they really think it wuldn’t come to this….only a taste of what the ‘officials’ might expect if they don’t figure out who they work for and get to doing their jobs. You’re gonna hear a lot about “men in camo” before long…don’t need no stinkin’ hoodies !

    • Dark_Archer

      WERE ALL WEARING CAMO NOW BOYS !!!!!!!

      • skippy

        :) :)

    • Kane Bittner

      You got it right Dan! From what I hear on the streets, the boys wearin the camo are soon gonna be hunting more than “illegals”!
      Bout damn time I say!

  • http://comcast Lee Bird -Veteran USMC

    Actions taken by a so-called vigilante border patrol must be totally blamed by Obama and White House staff. Does Obama and staff expect people to just sit back and comply when they don,t enforce the law ????? No one wants to see people killed and when Obama and Holder look in the mirror each day this will remind them of not doing the job of protecting the border and letting illegal aliens into this country without proper process to become a citizen.

    • Dark_Archer

      Lee, obama and holder are destroying America any way they can ,illegals are part of their plan , they see the deaths of these illegals no different than any other deaths that further their cause , acceptable losses, Americans ,mexicans,illegals ,legal, black,white,border patrol agents , our armed service members ,it dont matter its all a means to their end of America as we know it

      • JimRed

        Look for contingents of U.N. troops to be stationed here for “training” starting this summer. While our militias are busy on the border and our military is dispersed throughout the world, they will help Obama’s personal army of thugs get us under control to prevent our winning civil war 2. But we’ve learned the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan; a few dissidents with the will can tie up the world’s best armed forces.

      • nc

        Dark, look back at what the Republicans had done to regulate the immigration problem in the 20 years of the bush-Regan presidencies and 12 years of control of Congress before Obama came to the White House. THEY DID NOTHING!! Was that part of some Republican SCHEME to control Americans as you claim against Obama and Holder FOR THE SAME SITUATION THAT EXIST TODAY??
        BTW, WHAT IS THE PAUL PLAN TO CLOSE THE BORDER? SHOOT THEM ALL AS THEY CROSS THE BORDER??? SPEND BILLIONS MORE TO BUILD A FENCE??

      • templer

        I think that’s a great idea. A bounty on illegals crossing illegally into our borders. If DOJ won’t say squat over a bounty put on the head of an American ie. Zimmerman thenis it any different? How many muslim terrorist enter daily dressed as a mexican? Humm…Don’t be disillusioned there are plans underway as we speak with Hezbola, Al Queda, and obama’s personal national socialist communist army to conquer America and make us all subjects and himself dictator.

      • polmutant

        The commie pink negroloid amafrican kenyan is illegal.

      • Jackson

        Jim Red, I’m not worried about the UN, if you have ever seen them in action you’ll get a good look at thier back sides. It’ll be the back shooters in our own country I’ll be worried about.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        They’re not just glad that they can use the illegal aliens for their purposes but they rejoice when some are killed by vigilantes because they can get more milleage from a murder than they can from a living alien. It won’t be long before you hear a politician crying about “Oh how terrible it is that some vile person claiming to be a patriotic American would stoop to murdering helpless aliens who are only looking for a job.” I don’t condone murder but maybe this was self defense and not murder?

      • Dennis48e

        “Dark, look back at what the Republicans had done to regulate the immigration problem in the 20 years of the bush-Reagan presidencies… THEY DID NOTHING!!”

        nc you are getting as bad as Flashy in telling your un-truths. Where I live INS conducted regular raids under Bush 1 and Reagan. When Clinton took office the raids stopped cold. When Bush 2 took office their was a few raids conducted but certainly not as many as there should have been and under obaba there have been NO raids conducted.

      • eddie47d

        That is not what we are seeing and hearing so NC is also correct. More have been deported under Obama than any other President since Eisenhower. Besides Dennis that Katrael fellow above you just endorsed murder. Too many dangerously strange bedfellows hanging out here.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Hey eddie47d thank you for your imput about what I endorse. “Besides Dennis that Katrael fellow above you just endorsed murder” I have never endorsed murder. Do you even know what murder is?

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Besides eddie47d, why don’t you read the whole comment instead of making a comment on one word I used. If you had read my whole comment you would have seen that I specifically said that I don’t condone murder. I was only saying that the main stream media or politicians would use this incident somehow to it’s advantage while calling it murder. It might have been murder and not self defense but, that’s up to a court to decide. I guess that the MSM is full of people like yourself who know how to spin a whole word into a long lie.

    • Flashy

      What’s to prevent a state from enacting laws which would jail any employer who knew, or should have known, they were employing undocumented aliens? What’s preventing a state from going after those who employ undocumented aliens on tax evasion for not paying proper taxes ?

      think about that …

      • NStar

        Holder and his DOH would just get an injunction against the State and not allow them to implement the law….just as they are doing with voter ID laws. Those entering by illegally crossing the border are not as you say “good people”. They are criminals and should be treated as such. I have no problem with legal immigration. There is a process for them to come here legally and I would welcome them with open arms if they took the time to follow the law.

      • Flashy

        Hmmm…i note that when georgia enacted their law that requires employers to use the E-verify system there was a huge backlash from farming and other labor intensive sectors.

        Wonder why there was such a backlash? you’d think employers would be at th forefront on immigration controls. Especially since they would be able to pay the proper taxes due, employ Americans, and deny the undocumented worker a reason to be in Georgia.

        Think about that….

      • Dennis48e

        “Hmmm…i note that when georgia enacted their law that requires employers to use the E-verify system there was a huge backlash from farming and other labor intensive sectors.”

        Prove it Flashy. I live a lot closer to Georgia than you do and I have heard nothing about any “backlash” from anyone.

    • Steve E

      Keep up the good work vigilantes! Pedro better think before he crosses the border.

    • Rusty Rooster 24 Years USAF

      Obama and the Democrats in charge are looking for “voting illegal`s” and have little interest in the citizens of S. Arizona. Vote them out, all of them, if the new politicians dont do better vote them out. If I lived in S. Arizona I would be one of those citizens protecting my family any way necessary!

    • Shakeyjake

      I think it is a great idea to set up sniper posittions at the illegal highway at the fence . We shoot em as they poke their heads up and knock’em back into mexiland . this way we don’t have to bother with the clean up .

  • marcialee Campbell

    stand your ground

  • Originalintent

    If our elected officials are going to refuse to do the jobs that we elected them to do, then we will have to do those jobs ourselves.

    • tg sherman

      I can send you an extra gun!! Kep firing away. It is no different than someone breaking into your house.

      Tg

      • Sam

        Amen to “do you need more guns”? Maybe I should get my gun and come help.

      • slapjack

        Who ever they are, keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!! My home town is literally being taken over by these crimminals.

      • 45caliber

        slapjack:

        I’m not sure where you live but here in Texas I think the Mexicans are the majority race now. There was a guy from Washington state who came down a couple of years ago for a short while. When he showed up, he was wondering why anyone would care about illegals; when he left he was ready to go to the border with his own gun. AZ is the same. No wonder people are upset along the border.

      • Kate8

        45 – Yes, and they are the majority in CA, as well.

    • Patriot1776

      And remove those from elected office who are unwilling to perform the responsibilities of the position that they were elected to. Regardless of political affiliation, our government is supposed to be representative of the American people and everyday it becomes clearer that very few of those accepting our tax dollars are representing us.

      • http://Aol CommonSense4America

        OR, do the American people really care anymore. Have they ground us down? After all, does Snookie care? (tongue in cheek there). I keep feeling like I’m mostly alone in feeling that America is lost. I CARE!!!

      • Kate8

        CS4A – You are definitely not alone.

        The only way that we are lost is if we continue to bend over with scarcely a whimper.

        It’s up to us to stand up and hold firm. Some of us will, no doubt, have to pay a very big price. But living under what is coming is, in my mind, a fate worse than death.

        What is truly sad is that, at the townhalls being held around the nation, most of those in attendance are the elderly. Are we going to have to be the ones to man the front lines?

        That the younger ones are largely mind-warped or apathetic is not their fault, either. We let it happen. We’ve sacrificed our younger children on the altar of convenience…government educa…er, indoctrination/brainwashing (drugging).

        We kind of owe it to them to turn things around. But are they capable of understanding what is at stake… Maybe some of them are.

    • Larry Van

      I can not tell you how many times I brought up our politicians options of conducting impeachment hearings against obama. They just side step the issue and tell me that this is not an option at this time, when I do recieve a response, that it.
      I have given our U..S. senators ever good reason why they need to return to the values that this country is based on and yet, they do absolutley NOTING. They think that if they impeach obama, they will start this country’s biggest racial war in American history, I am no sure of it.

      • polmutant

        it is already war. the lines are being drawn. perhaps we should consider stock piling essentials. it is going to be difficult there are alot of amafricans who think they are Americans. they come from Kenya and other cursed places.

    • Sam

      More power to the Vigilanties. Lets cheer them on.

      • http://comcast the fisherman

        you guys sound like henny penny. The dam sky is not falling it is your brains.

      • Jerry

        I really love it when the lawyers/politicians try to get involved and tell us that INVADERS of our sovereign Nation have ‘right’ of habeus corpus, and other AMERICAN RIGHTS!
        These people are knowingly INVADING our Country, and if the elected representatives won’t do anything about it, then it HAS to be up to CITIZENS to protect their sovereignty, their property, and their lives!
        Unfortunately, we have BRAINWASHED ostriches, like ‘fisherman’ (below) that has NO IDEA what has been happening in the Southwest and Western States, and is conditioned to listen to PROPAGANDA from the LEFTIST MEDIA that these are just poor migrants trying to find a better life!
        Then they should do it in their OWN COUNTRY! We’re trying to survive, ourselves!

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      “If our elected officials are going to refuse to do the jobs that we elected them to do, then we will have to do those jobs ourselves.”

      I think the original intent was the other way around. It’s the job of the citizens to protect themselves, their homes, and their borders. They eventually pooled their individual authority to do this and created governments to which they delegated that authority. But delegating your authority doesn’t mean you lose it. On the contrary, it always has been, and still is, the citizen’s authority to protect and defend–himself, his family, his property, and his country. So the issue isn’t, “If the government doesn’t, we’ll have to.” The issue is, “We have to. If the government won’t do the job we created it for, we’ll have to change it or else fire it and get a new one–just like any non-performing employee.”

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Jazzabelle, Bravo. We have our work cut out for us and we get what we have now when we don’t do our work. It’s time to get rid of our corporate criminals and to return to a constitutionally seated government.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Katrael – try http://teamlaw.net/Government/usmap.htm
        They are working on that constitutionally seated government you’re talking about.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Jazzabelle, I’m only a little familiar with team law and I mean only a little. It takes time to study the information they have available and it is a slow process for me. Their way of saying what I said is “original jurisdiction”. Our original constitution says quote ” Section 3. The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.” Next quote, “Section 4. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.”

        The only place that Senators can be chosen is in the State Legislature and the constitution fobids changing that. This law was meant to be inflexible and unchangable and there would first have to be an amendment to discuss a need to change the place for chosing Senators.

        A point here: the idea for this rigid structure of “chusing” Senators was to keep all of the legislature out of the hands of the democratic mob which would hopefully keep the government a statue (stable). We didn’t need to change this “chusing” because we had a House of Representatives where we the mob did have a more direct say. Now the Senators respond directly to the mob instead of a more stable body of wise men chosen by the people who more directly know them.

        Article II section one is where it tells us how the POTUS is elected and who does the vote counting and that happens in the Senate so if the Senate isn’t a Senate by law then the POTUS they chose is not the original jurisdiction president.

        In 1912, our government could not pay it’s debt to the criminal federal reserve so the IMF bought the District of Columbia lock stock and barrel then they re-incorporated the district of columbia, then they changed the currency into the current federal reserve notes that we now use whereby the new corporation could then rent the new federal reserve notes. This new corporation has to pay rent on the federal reserve notes as long as they remain in circulation.

        In 1913 the sixteenth and seventeenth amendments were added by this new corporation giving us the new corporate structure we see now.

        Then we the people entered into contracts with the new corporate entity and this is the reason that the income tax laws are legal because we contracted as corporate entities with this new corporation and not because the taxes are really constitutional. So our corporation has to pay taxes to that corporation.

      • Jerry

        I just wrote nearly identical comments! I’m sorry,Jazzabelle, I didn’t meant to plagerize, but I didn’t see your comments until mine were posted!
        I DO agree with you (obviously) that if those we elect to represent us, and those we hire to serve, won’t do their jobs, then it is up to US, the CITIZENS, to protect ourselves!
        Keep the faith!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Jazzabelle, I’m wrong about the US not being able to pay a debt to the Federal Reserve in 1912 as it didn’t have a contract with them then but the US couldn’t pay it’s debt the the international banking system and thats when, in 1913, that the US entered into a contract with the new Federal Reserve corporation to rent it’s federal reserve notes.

  • Sirian

    After all the years that our southern border has been standing basically wide open is this realistically surprising? No, it’s not that surprising to me at all. There are limits to everything and the people of Arizona have simply reached that point. The southern border has been nothing more than a very useful political football that has been played with for decades and the reason behind the game is to obvious. The police may currently have an investigation in process but that too is probably a “back burner” type investigation. There are probably way to many illegal alien burglaries, trespassing, rape, armed robberies, drug trafficking, human trafficking etc. investigations in process which take precedence over this. Who knows, this may have been happening much longer and simply hasn’t been reported until now. It will be interesting to see how Senator Allen’s bill – S.B. 1083 – will fair. It doesn’t appear as if it has much clout at the moment but if the “vigilante border patrol” continues there may come about enough pressure on the State Senators & Representatives from their districts constituency that this bill and a possible house bill will ultimately be passed. As I said before, there is a limit to everything. And the total disregard of the security of our southern border has without doubt reached that point. Which leads me to wonder if AG Holder will sue Arizona once again?? Oh how he loves to sue. . . :(

    • Warrior

      Yes, but all the politicians are for new “comprehensive” immigration laws. What the heck is that?

      • Gary

        Amnesty

      • Sirian

        Another political football play Warrior, that’s all it really is. Disgusting!! Gary’s right – amnesty. And needless to say, amnesty = votes. Sound familiar? :(

      • Cliffystones

        Not just amnesty! Amnesty with group hugs while singing “We are the world”, dammit!

      • Sam

        I see the one replay was “amnesty”. Actually it is “surrendering my homeland to the criminal invaders from Mexico”. That is all it is. Obama needs them so he can use them to execute us loyal Americans in the streets when he declares his totalitarian dictatorship.

      • eddie47d

        Well then Sirian how many voted for Reagan when he granted amnesty? If none then you will have your answer. If a few then Reagan would have gotten illegal votes since they wouldn’t have been immediately eligible . It wouldn’t be any different for any President.

      • JC

        Try this on…they don’t get any action at the State or Federal level to secure and enforce our border laws resulting in a virtual invasion on our southern border. It’s been going on for years while the police agencies, State and Federal legislators turn an increasingly blind eye to the problem.

        Why?

        It is my impression that there is an overall power (elite bankers) that actually gives the marching orders and that their goal is one world government.
        A very simple tool to use in this effort is to break up the culture and foundation of any given group whether it’s a church, a club, a family or a nation.
        People divided are unlikely to “organize” and would be more easily ruled.

        So…there are people who are tired of it and doing the job the Federal Government was charged with under our Constitution, but has decided not to for purposes that are injurious, even treasonous to the United States of America.

        That’s not an endorsement of vigilante border patrol, it’s just an observation.
        I think we’re nearing a boiling point and I hope Americans are prepared.

    • Flashy

      The answer is simple. Don’t punish the poor slob who’s only crime is wanting a job. Day after day I read here posts which state people should get a job…a hard work ethic is a good thing (which it is).

      If someone hires a worker they knew, or should have known, to be undocumented…that employer spends 60 days in the county hoosegow. Appropriate fines to cover costs of the sixty day vacation. Convicted may appeal, but no stay of incarceration on appeal.

      When the Mrs (or Mr.) has to tell friends that John (or Jane) is not going to be around for a few weeks, the social embaressment will be a strong motivation to check and verify employment paperwork. When john (or Jane) can’t be around to run the company, economic factors outweigh the immediate want for cheap labor.

      If there aren’t jobs, there is a huge lack of incentive to come here to look for employment.

      Now why would the elected local officials not want to impose this ? Why hasn’t Arizona contemplated this avenue instead of trying to put a wall up on the border (walls work both ways…one can’t get in, but neither can one get out)

      • polmutant

        the south of the border critters want welfare not jobs. if they wanted a job they would clean out their own incested retard halfbreed government. just as we the people are working to rid ourselves of the Obamanation of desolation. God bless America and damn the Obamanation of desolation.

      • Ellen

        Flashy, While your comment is compassionate, we live in a world of reality. Over 80% of the earth’s population lives in poverty. Are US citizens responsible to help all of them? Mexico’s economy is in better shape than ours, as they have very little debt while we have debt we realistically can’t ever pay. Immigrants have damaged our school system, as teachers must teach to the lowest level in the class. They’ve cost our school systems a fortune due to the language barrier and additional educators needed to help them. They cost our health care system, as they get free care and the cost is passed onto those of us who pay for insurance and pay taxes. They make up over 50% of the population in our federal prisons, which costs us even more money. They have babies who get automatic citizenship and, thus, welfare. Free housing, food, health care, utilities. If we stopped providing welfare to immigrants, we would eliminate this problem. For those who claim blacks won’t work and they must hire hispanics to do jobs that require no skills or education, I say the same thing: stop paying them welfare. If they have to work to support themselves, they will. Currently, we pay blacks to stay home and collect off the system and we pay hispanics to collect off the system so they’ll do menial jobs. We need to switch welfare to be a loan. If you have a baby you can’t afford, you take out the loan. The loans will be in 5 year increments and can be renewed for a total of 10 years. Then, you start to pay back. You can be guaranteed we’d eliminate most of our welfare abuse. We’d also see the return of the black family, which has been decimated by welfare.

      • Rollie

        Arizona already has laws against illegal entry, however, that idiot Janet Nap and her buddy Eric Holder wants to prevent them from using this law. You’re right about arresting the people who hire the illegals, but, they have to make the penalty more severe. Make it a year in prison and a 10,000 fine for every illegal they hire and I will guarentee this will stop right away. The other problem is still that the illegals already have broken the law by crossing the border without papers. As for the fence, you state it also keeps people in. Tell me one person that wants to head south into Mexico and by the way if you do not have papers they will throw you into prison. Now who has the more stricter laws, the U.S. or Mexico. You have to attack the problem from all fronts and a great start is to get rid of this president and the HS head and the AG who by the way protects the Black Panther Party. It is time we Americans take back our country from these communists who are presently in office and restore the constitutional law.

      • Sam

        The slobs don’t want jobs. They want anything they get their hand on including my homeland. If they wanted jobs they’d clean up their own homeland and work there. They come here for handouts and to server dictator Obama.

      • Flashy

        Sam…you know anyone who hires undocument workers? Did you castigate them for being the problem…hiring undocumented workers and encouraging more to come because of the jobs?

        Had a contractor or landscaper over lately? Did you turn them in or not hire them?

      • mac

        If the poor slob only wants to come to the USA for a job, he can come in the legal way. It would probably be cheaper for him, not having to pay a coyote to bring him in. If “poor slob” only wants welfare and a gov’t handout, then he will choose the illegal way, AND he won’t have to know ANY English.

      • EyesWideOPEN

        “God bless America and damn the Obamanation of desolation”.. (polmutant).

        … And what’s you’re answer to this ‘Obamanation’? To elect another Bush clone for four more (if not eight) years of Bushanomics, wars and corporate profits? You’re simply exchanging one evil for a worse evil.. Idiots of the world, unite! And may the rest of us elect Ron Paul 2012…

    • joe lafond

      Your comment is so in line with the existing problem that I cannot add anything to strengthen it further….All I can say is our Government that is supposed to protect
      us and are not doing their jobs.Its sad but a needed thing for them to do to stop this before it escalates further

    • Kingfish

      Odds are it’s our own people doing this, furthering their agenda for amnesty, i wouldn’t put anything past Holder and Obummer.

      • http://Aol CommonSense4America

        More like something in the footsteps of “Fast and Furious”. Something else to say,,take their guns away. Just another attempt at gun control.

      • Kate8

        CS4A – That was my thought. Another ruse by our (illegitimate) government in its determination to start wars in America.

        They’re firing up race wars, with blacks now openly saying they’re going to kill “crackers” in large numbers (and what do we hear from the liberal PC crowd? Nothing by chirps…)

        So now that they’ve armed the south-of-the-border drug runners with especially lethal weaponry, they’ve most likely moved into the next phase…lighting fires to instigate border wars.

        We have millions of armed hispanics everywhere in America now, armed and waiting for the signal to move on Americans.

        And before some cry-baby lib chimes in on me, no…I did not say that ALL hispanics are involved in this. I have many hispanic friends who are great Americans and wonderful people.

        But there are very large numbers who came for just this purpose, along with other nationals who will, no doubt, find opportunity to jump on the bandwagon.

        We are a gullible and trusting people, we Americans. Hope we can be ready.

      • Vicki

        Kate8 writes

        They’re firing up race wars, with blacks now openly saying they’re going to kill “crackers” in large numbers (and what do we hear from the liberal PC crowd? Nothing by chirps…)

        Oh we will hear from the liberal PC crowd. Liberals come in many colors too. When “crackers” start dying (probably by gunfire) you will hear the liberal “crackers” squeal for more gun control.

        We have millions of armed hispanics everywhere in America now, armed and waiting for the signal to move on Americans.

        And those liberal gun control fanatics who don’t own guns will squeal for more gun control. Of course not all liberals are dumb. The ones who are the leaders (DiFi), Bloomberg etc all either have guns or or bodyguards with guns.

    • Donald York

      If i were president (beleive me, i would be a better one than what we have now), I would declare war on our borders. First, i would bring ALL of our troops home from those Arab nations (they hate us anyway) and i would station them all along our borders and give them the authority to apprehend crossers if possible, if not FIRE AT WILL! I agree with Congressman Paul that by bringing our troops home, provide them with good wages and billets, and that alone would be a boost to our economy. Second, If Germany and S. Korea wanted us to guard their borders, they pay for it. US taxpayers should’nt bear the cost and lives for their nations! and lastly, i would get on with the trials of these terrorists who brought war upon us inside our borders and killed our citizens. I would order those sons of bitches hung by the neck and let them gag with a pork chop stuffed in their mouth.
      Have a nice day now. TOTALLY ENGAGED AMERICAN

    • Sirian

      eddie47,
      Quite being such an idiot. It happened in his second term dummy, votes didn’t matter at that time. Reagan wasn’t really behind the amnesty bill, as so stated in several articles that have been written about it, and actually threw up quite a resistance to it. But in the end caved on it and signed it into place via the “Immigration Reform and Control Act, 1986”. As I said, look at the end result. Be sure to read that act so you will have a clearer understanding as to exactly what it’s primary base rules consist of and how it’s been played with, politically, ever since. It doesn’t matter whether it was a Republican or a Democrat that prompted it or pushed it on through. The end result is the same. And yes, it is also quite obvious that if amnesty were to be handed out this time around it most certainly would be trolling for votes – millions for sure. And you are probably foolish enough to not see the forest for the trees. Lord! We are now 25 years past the initial “amnesty” attempt to sway the influx of illegals. Once again, it has produced the exact opposite. If you haven’t a lick of common sense about you, which does seem to lean that way, I have no sympathy for you at all. Since then – 1986 – there has been a never ending hook setting out there to pull in as many additional votes as possible. It has been played by both sides. So, give your typical idiotic argument a rest.

    • Jerry

      Here is a question you could ask: If these “amatuer” border guards can find vehicle loads of INVADERS, why can’t the real Border Patrol find these INVADERS, as well?
      How about a LACK OF COMMITTMENT FROM THE IMPERIAL CITY?
      I believe these amatuer border patrolers are about as sick and tired of the ANTI-AMERICAN REGIME in the White Mosque as a lot of other citizens and patriots, and decided that if nobody else would do anything to protect the U.S. from a foreign INVASION, then they would!
      GO PATRIOTS!

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