Thanks for the link.

Let’s see:
Give up 225 years of progress, including medical care, dental care, electricity, plumbing, autos, aircraft, communications, etc, etc…..
We wouldn’t need Social Security when life expectancy was less than 40 years.
The state of the art medical care was bloodletting and anesthesia and microbiology were unknown. Who would need medical insurance?
Taxes could be low because The US didn’t fight imperial wars, nor spend more on arms than all of Europe combined.
Thomas Jefferson: “Whatever be the Constitution, great care must be taken to provide a mode of amendment when experience or change of circumstances shall have manifested that any part of it is unadapted to the good of the nation … for remedying the imperfections which experience develops from time to time in an organization of the first impression. A greater facility of amendment is certainly requisite to maintain it in a course of action accommodated to the times and changes through which we are ever passing.” (Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823)

I’m all for keeping our “225 years of progress”. But if the “progressives” get complete control over that “progress”, we’ll be right where the Soviet Union was!

The government needs to butt out as much as possible.

I repeat:
Thomas Jefferson: “Whatever be the Constitution, great care must be taken to provide a mode of amendment when experience or change of circumstances shall have manifested that any part of it is unadapted to the good of the nation … for remedying the imperfections which experience develops from time to time in an organization of the first impression. A greater facility of amendment is certainly requisite to maintain it in a course of action accommodated to the times and changes through which we are ever passing.” (Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823)

Any one who is running against obama

Clearly Dave you are clueless if you think Romney aka Obama Lite, will be any different than the Obama we currently have.

I’m 100 % with you Nancy !

Thanks for being a patriot.

Thanks your one of the ones who will help reelect obama DOH

Oh and if Paul got the nomination, I would support him because it would be to get rid of obama. Obama HAS to go!

I answer only to GOD!

I answer for my Grand children, if Obama gets reelected, it is game over for America.

Clearly Dave if you truly don’t want Obama then you best be supporting Ron Paul. Anyone else and you hand the election to Obama. True Ron Paul supporters are not voting for anyone other than Ron Paul in any election.

Dr. Ron Paul all the way to the White House. We need to settle only for Liberty and the U.S. Constitution. Not false security and outrageous out of control bankruptcy.

Ron Paul….Not a snowballs chance in h….

The polls say otherwise and a vote for Paul is a vote for obama

Dave, you apparently missed the Rasmussen poll that shows Ron Paul beats Obama while Romney merely ties him.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

Romney 48% Obama 43%

[quote]These are the results when registered voters are asked: “Suppose the presidential election were held today. If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party’s candidate and Mitt Romney were the Republican Party’s candidate, who would you vote for Barack Obama, the Democrat or Mitt Romney, the Republican?” Those who are undecided are further asked if they lean more toward Obama or Romney and their leanings are incorporated into the results. Each five-day rolling average is based on telephone interviews with approximately 2,200 registered voters; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points.[/quote]

Dave did you bother to look at your poll and notice the trends?
Obama is trending back up and will be ahead of Romney once again in your quoted poll.

Did you bother to click the link down bottom for “Election 2012″?
Shame if you didn’t you could have avoided being rebutted.

Did you happen to miss this?:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/153764/Obama-Solidifying-Lead-Among-Independents-Swing-States.aspx
Bottom line: Obama is leading Romney in Independents in swing states.

Solidifying it says, Romney aka “Obama Lite” is losing ground in key swing states. You see he is already losing in them.
In other words “Obama Lite” is toast and it will only get worse once Obama brings the full might of his $1 billion+ war chest to bear. A wishy-washy flip-flopper with proven Big Government tendencies is not going to beat the Obama.
Sorry bud, just won’t happen, he does not appeal to enough people across the spectrum, regardless of your 2000+ people poll.
A pure Republican base won’t win this one, just like it didn’t win the last one. Romney certainly wont win if conservatives would rather puke than vote for him. Independents apparently would prefer a known idiot to an unknown idiot.

You have to challenge Obama at his voter base, grab the independents, grab the conservatives and grab some of the Democrats. Only Ron Paul can do all that with any degree of certainty.

Actually polls are like ah, everyone has one

You started talking about Polls. Perhaps you should have thought of that prior to bringing them up in the firstplace…

It was not me who brought that subject up, I just answered a post about a poll with another poll that showed a different result. Paul has no delegates, Romney has them, Paul will not win….So rather than changing the occupant of the White House, you obtuse Paulinistas while help forge four more years of Obama. Way to go goof balls.

You see it is Goofballs like you who have us in this situation. Goofballs like you said “Anyone but Bush” in 08 and now you Goofballs are saying “Anyone but Obama”. None of you have stopped to look and see who that “Anyone” is. Bush Sucked, Obama has done nothing different and he sucks. Now you want another loser who will continue the Trend of doing nothing different.
I and many like want real change not just a mere change of skin color and faces. We want change of policy and to stop the trend of marching this country over the cliff into Economic Oblivion. Sorry but Romney aka “Obama Lite” wont change crap. He will continue to spend, continue to grow the Government and continue to take our Liberties.
If not voting for Obama Lite makes me and others like me a Goofball, then I dare say we need more of them. We certainly don’t need more people like you, who can’t see the Big Government Schills that exist in both parties and cause nothing to change for the better election after election.

Paul was not the nominee then either and I voted against Obama with my vote for McCain. I bet you voted for Paul on a write in….And im the goofball….Hmmmm

But it was you who responded to me with a Poll supposedly supporting your position. If you can’t handle what they really say, then you shouldn’t refer to them or carry on when it shown they really don’t.

I am going to vote in the California June Primary for Dr. Ron Paul, but in the end if Romney is the final choice,l will vote for him. in the Fall 2012 General Election. What you do not seem to be able to comprehend is that the party platform of the Republican Party must be steered into a less pro-gigantic government bureaucratic nightmare plus less of an interventionist covert foreign policy program platform. We need to strengthen our trade policy with other nations in a less military fashion and promote our constitutional republic principles and not assassinate and overthrow political leaders in other countries in the world. The forces of the military-industrial complex continue to create enemies abroad, proceed to sanctions, promote and fight wars and then rebuild after the conflict at the expense of the American citizens. We even have a war on drugs which costs us even more billions of dollars each year as we bankrupt the United States of America, with China and other nations holding our debt over us. Research it yourself before you make nonsensical comments.

Hello to common sense!

AND, that poll still supports my position that Paul is losing, just as he lost these last primaries. Romney will be the Republican nominee and you can either go for the greater good of evicting Obama or just stay obtuse.

in fact Dave your own poll shows “Obama Lite” has already lost 1% and it is now 47% – 44%.

still refutes what you said……hmm how about that

Prove it refutes what I said.
I have proven Romney does not appeal to independants in Swing states that he NEEDS to beat Obama. Romney will never beat Obama losing in the Swing states.
Sorry bout yer luck…

Tard . . . . if McLaim had been elected instead of the O’bomination . . . I believe the country would be in much better shape today . . . 2012 will be the most important election in the history of the country, 4 more years of the “O” and even George Washington himself could not bring the country back. There may not even be an election in 2016 . . .
On the positive side . . . get out and work for “Conservative” causes . . .
RP will be past 80 and hopefully will hang it up by 2016 . . . as he is no conservative ! ! !

Dale, you clearly are cluesless if you honestly think anything would be different under McLaim… We would have the same crapsandwich we got today with slightly diferent smell and that’s it. Just as if Romney is elected over Obama, which is highly unlikely, we would still have the same crap sandwich with a few more trimmings.

Paul will never get elected, a vote for paul is another vote for obama

and if ron paul doesn’t get elected we all will be eating dirt because eventually nobody will be getting paid

RP 2012!!!

@Dave
Corrected:
Paul better get elected, as a vote for anyone but Paul is another vote for 0bama.

In the military, we called hards like you doop de doos

In the military we called abject failures like you “No Gos”.

Shows what you know, no go’s stands for National Guard………

Borders secured? Ever watch any of the debates? I have and heard him say that he has no problem with the illegals coming across. Iran is no threat? keep thinking those isolationist ideas, they will only serve to get you dead from a terrorist.

You just keep believing, RON PAUL CAN’T WIN! SHEESH, talk about thick headed individuals. On foreign policy, Paul is looney toons

Dave says, “You just keep believing, RON PAUL CAN’T WIN! SHEESH, talk about thick headed individuals. On foreign policy, Paul is looney toons”

Do, I don’t believe “Ron Paul can’t win”… I believe he can.

Ron Paul advocates a foreign policy of friendship, trade, and diplomacy rather than dealing with nations with threats of violence. Tell me, how is that “looney toons”?

Perhaps you don’t understand his position accurately, friend

It takes two sides to make a friendship, If one side does not want the friendship your SOL

Dave says:
“It takes two sides to make a friendship, If one side does not want the friendship your SOL”

Indeed and our current policy is attack first and kill rather offer a hand in friendship.
Unlike Dr Paul’s position which is offer a hand in friendship and while stopping the practice preemptively attacking countries while demanding others comply with our “Our way or the highway” policy…

Seriously, it is like you have no clue about recent history and current events…

Im a Veteran of Desert Shield/Storm, kill them so they don’t have a chance to kill us. Clinton had several chances at bin laden knowing he was responsible for the USS Cole and the embassy attacks, he chose to sit on his thumbs.

This starts long before the Clinton years with decades of an Interventionist Foreign Policy. Take a few hundred steps back and try to observe the “Big Picture”. Or just grab some windex…

You should plug your ears, the wind blowing through is making you more delusional

The U.S. is not funding and training muslim terrorrists either and we would never give them a nuclear device to attack another country..Your statement does not hold water, and I can’t make an intelligent post?(cue the twilight zone music for Dave H)

Dave: “we would never give them a nuclear device to attack another country”
Never say never Dave. We DID give Iraq chemical weapon material and we DID fund both sides of the Iraq/Iran war. It is not farfetched to think sometime in the future, we MAY give Nukes to someone under the current establishment if they thought it would benefit them.

Vig, isn’t it amazing how history repeats itself? Give us a candidate who stinks to high heaven then obummer will win again. Gee, do you think it was planned that way?

Agreed!! and If Romney is ‘obama lite’ (which he is)…then I would think that the 2 of them would split the liberal vote – leaving Ron Paul with all the conservatives (majority I think) – so I, too, will vote for him (even as a 3rd party candidate).

I agree with you, Bill. I will NOT vote for the lesser of two evils! Evil is still evil. That being said, I believe that obummer will win the election. Hell, I think he’ll win anyway! It’s all fixed! If this is the time that the Phophets speak of I don’t want to be siding with evil, whether it be the lesser of two evils or not! I WILL vote for Ron Paul!

Same is true for the failing Tea Party whom I contacted and recieved a rather scathing response about Paul and his not being involved enough with their movement.

I hear you Bill. I too will be voting for Ron Paul and refuse to vote for Obama or Obama Lite aka Romney. The lesser of two evils is still evil and well frankly I see no difference between Obama Lite and Obama. They are both cut from the same cloth and regurgitate the same BS.

Ron Paul is the only clear choice for real change.

Nancy in Nebraska says, “Iran and the radical islamists don’t care. They are trying to cause world war III so that the twelfth imam will return. They want to see death and destruction everywhere because they believe that when it is all over, the entire earth will be under islamic rule. They have proven many times that they are willing to commit suicide to bring this about.”

Not only do you fail to really understand the people of Iran, their culture, or their religion, but you also suggest that we should be afraid, or that they [Iran] have proven that they will use nuclear weapons merely because some radicals have committed suicide (aka suicide bomber)… this is a stretch of the imagination to make an unjustified leap in logic, as we have seen Japan also use suicide bombers, but such does not equate to taking an action which would obliterate their own country in the process.

Mind your fear, Nancy

TML, I’m not saying that “the people of Iran” are the ones we have to fear. It is their radical president and the ayatollah who have been funding and promoting terrorism and suicide bombings for quite some time. I don’t see how you can dispute this. They don’t care one whit about their people any more than our president cares for our people. We are all just pawns in their game.

Was the Star Wars Treaty Reagan signed with Russia a joke . AMERICA has the technology to intercept Air born invasion …Do we not . Dr. Pauls foreign policy makes perfect sense to me …..Consider this scenario . You neighbor 3 doors down , does not like you , for whatever reason . He decides to pitch a tent in your back yard to keep track of you , so as he can be prepared to fight you . I do not see any other nation except Islam , camping in AMERICA’s back yard . Have I missed something here . Islam has occupied AMERICA for decades . Go down to your local gas station and meet the owner . Shell gas station where I live is owned by Muslims . Nicest people I have ever met . I do not know what they will be like , if congress press the panick button . I will continue to support Ron Paul for president T i m .

Why are we trying to create dooms day scenarios about what would happen if Ron Paul gets elected and he changes everything about AMERICA’S foriegn policy . THE BIBLE I READ , says , no one knoows the day or hour of Jesus return . I do not care about IMAM . JESUS CHRIST is who I fear. He is the ONE I answer to . Please let us stop speculating about WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF ………….I will continue to support Ron Paul . T i m

Nancy says, “It is their radical president and the ayatollah who have been funding and promoting terrorism and suicide bombings for quite some time.”

One could say that America and Israel also promote terrorism, depending on your frame of reference. Iranian scientist have been getting assassinated by someone, for example… and America was even convicted in the world court for state sponsored international terrorism during the Iran/Contra scandal. So, while I don’t dispute what you said, it loses weight when considering more facts.

Nancy says, “They don’t care one whit about their people any more than our president cares for our people. We are all just pawns in their game.”

More than likely true, however, again… more is needed. If we look at North Korea, a ruler who obviously does not care a whit about his people by our own standards; would not preemptively use weapons that would destroy himself and his country. Or take Pakistan for an example… a Muslim country, arguably the most anti-American country in the Middle East, who have nuclear weapons, and have not attacked anyone with them… and in fact, state publically that they would only use them if attacked, with nuclear weapons, by another country.

More Fear-Mongering by the people who love to keep us scared so they can “protect” us.

He didn’t say anything that would indicate that he was only worrying about himself and neither did I. What concerns me is your use of the word “collective”. That’s a communist term. Everyone is supposed to care about the “collective”. I want my country back! I want all the communists and socialists to take a bus ride to he**. In this country we all have the right to speak our minds even if it isn’t for the benefit of the “collective”.

“they are powerful, richer than us.”

Butch, take a basic course to increase your knowledge before you make an idiotic statement such as that. You’re entirely wrong.

We clearly have more debt than they do, our debt Dwarfs the world’s Debt. Our debt is now more than our GDP. We clearly rule debt. Yea we may be richer for now, but we lose ground every passing day since our production powerhouse moved to China. Oh and a new reserve currency will be found eventually given current trends, so we will soon no longer have access to the printing presses and will actually have to fund our spending… So much for being richer. probably poorer in one to two decades.

That said, nobody has a clear definition of China’s “military power” past manpower and they clearly have more of that and have had more for some time now. They have our production, they have our computers and they clearly have more man power with a rising economy. They have been stealing and receiving technology for decades. They also clearly demonstrated an ability to kill satellites meaning we wouldn’t have access to superior GPS tech for long, assuming ours is indeed superior. It would be lunacy to assume they are weaker militarily… Best to assume otherwise and hope it aint so.

He’s running for the GOP nomination, genius….

He still can’t and won’t win.

I’m hoping that Ron ditches the Republican losers and runs as a third party candidate, where he will pick up thinking people from both major parties.

Sure he will…..and reelect obama(ross perot comes to mind)

Check out who leads in the Straw Poll votes by people who have actually heard the Candidates speak:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012#Zip_Code_Totals

It seems that Ron Paul doesn’t do so well with the ignorant people who vote on looks or some other banal criteria.

Good Comment, Joe.

the delegate count speaks for itself — school yourself. He can’t and won’t win, period.

Learn about how the delegate process is actually working. Ron Paul has far more than 4% of the delegates which we know for sure are devoted for him, and a good deal of the other delegates aren’t even locked in yet.

According to the Republican Party(of which, Paul claims to be a part)Paul has 26 delegates, it takes 1144 to win the nomination, schools out.

http://www.gop.com/index.php/comms/comments/updated_rnc_delegate_count1/

And the Republican party’s been lying the whole time and has been doing everything in its power to help Romney win.

Oh yes, I forgot, you paulinistas always say someone has to be lying about poor Ron. whackos whackos whackos, everything is a conspiracy…DOH Reality bites!

Well, perhaps you’d want to explain why all the states Romney was expected to do well in were moved up first. Perhaps you’d want to explain why the media repeatedly jumps the gun and declares Romney the winner in states that have later had faulty results. Perhaps you’d like to explain the blatant discontinuity between the GOP’s “official” delegate counts, and reality. Or maybe you wonder why the media always hounds Ron Paul about third party bids, his “secret deals” with Romney, or why he just doesn’t drop out already because he has no chance of winning – and let’s just face it.. we’d make poor Romney look bad!

The writing’s on the wall, and you ignorant sheep keep bleating there’s absolutely nothing wrong with the way things are. Oh really. Do you honestly think Romney has any real plans? All he can do is bash Obama, and Obama will be able to quip right back at him with more rhetoric. It will be easy to expose Romney for the corporate machine he really is.

You can’t seriously vote for Romney. You just can’t. Even IF he said things that made sense and promised to do the right things, we couldn’t trust him. Not even for a second.

No I am definatly not happy with the way things are, I want Obama voted out, not try to elect a pipe dream and if that pipe dream doesn’t win, not vote at all….Thats lunacy

Dave says, “If that pipe dream doesn’t win, not vote at all….Thats lunacy”

Indeed, that is why most say they will write his name in anyway possible.

“Always vote for Principle, though you may vote alone, you will cherish the sweetest relefction that your vote is never lost” – John Quincy Adams

Not if you have a progressive dolt that needs to be evicted from the white house, your “principles” are screwing up my country and my grandkids future and that makes me mad as hell!

Dave says — “No I am definatly not happy with the way things are, I want Obama voted out, not try to elect a pipe dream and if that pipe dream doesn’t win, not vote at all….Thats lunacy”.
No, Dave, lunacy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. How do you suppose we are ever going to shrink Government if we keep electing people who won’t shrink Government, Dave?

So your answer is to not move in a different direction than we are now just because Ron Paul is not the nominee you stay home and not vote? The people who did that last time got us saddled with obama. There is always a lesser of two evils.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

As Hitler said — “How fortunate for Leaders that people do not think”.

“lunacy is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Off topic – I’ve always thought these a bit of a paradox: If at first you dont succeed, try, try again / Insanisty is doing the same thing over and over expectin different results

Hah

To be blunt Dave, electing Romney will not change one thing, just as electing Obama did not change a thing. We will still slide into Economic Oblivion while losing more freedoms for a false sense of security we no longer deserve.
In fact a vote for anyone but Ron Paul, will now help ensure we continue to march off the proverbial cliff. You can easily gauge this by the Media’s and the establishment’s “Anyone but Ron Paul” position.

ERIC , call me an idiot as well . I have supported Ron Paul from the beginning , 5 years ago . The state where I live has a Republican Governor . The peoples choice vote last month gave it to Santorum . THE STATE DELEGATES gave it to Romney . The Governor and the BUSH Family endorsed Romney . Rick Santorum won the peoples choice vote . I will continue to support Ron Paul . My name is T i m

@Tim. You’re not an idoit…You’re doing what is right and that is voting your conscious… for your choice…This question of “electability” and the idea of “voting for the guy who can win” has got to be the most mind numbing and totoaly a$$ backwards line of reasoning that I have ever experienced. For the life of me I cannot relate to or understand these brainwashed “voters” (AKA: Morons) who cast their ballot for the guy that they have been told is the guy that will win. For Goddness sake people, VOTE FOR THE GUY YOU WANT TO WIN! The guy who most closely aligns with your values, etc. That’s the whole reason we vote. If you’re not voting for the guy you want to win, then you’re doing it wrong. If you keep voting for the same idiots over and over, you will only get more idiots. Actually, you encourage them by voting for them. If your content with being told who to vote for, then don’t bother voting in the fist place. I don’t think that saying this will matter, b/c I’m beginning to believe that these “I don’t want to waste my vote” people don’t have the slightest bit of intelligence or reason to appeal to.

Consider and explain this . The teachers union endorsed Obama last election . When I heard that over the world news , I knew the election was over . Add the welfare population to it . I will continue to support Ron Paul .

T i m, the unions ALWAYS support the Democrats. Where have you been, that you are just now discovering this?

Vigilant , don’t jump ship on me here . I know the unions are Democratic based . I was reminding those who do not know , the reasons Obama was elected in the 1 st place , even though the word elected is a joke . Democrat or Republican does not matter . When the leader of the teachers union said it over the world news , week of the election , I knew the election was over . Add the welfare population to it . The teachers do not need be a union ” member ” . They are still expected to vote Democrat . If more teachers knew they pay welfare population through their social security , i bet it would change a lot of things fast . It surprised me how many people do not know this . Our politicians got to stop sugar coating the entitlements program . EVERY ONE KNOWS WHAT WELFARE IS . So many do not know welfare is paid from social security . Ron Paul is looking at changing this . The last 3 presidents have talked about it . Nothing yet . Call it what it is . Entitlements is welfare . Every recorded wage earner in America pays welfare through social security . The more you earn the more welfare you pay .

You are an idiotic loon. So there. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Guess I accomplished my goal to get some one like you so excited you would start calling me names.

Then why did he run as a Libertarian in 1988 when they had the open borders policy in their platform. Are you saying he did not support the platform? Therefore making him a liar?

Cap says, “Then why did he run as a Libertarian in 1988 when they had the open borders policy in their platform. Are you saying he did not support the platform? Therefore making him a liar?”

Must one support every ‘official’ stance of a given label such as Libertarian, Republican, or even Democrat… without being a hypocrite? I would come closer to saying that those who zealously follow the official position of a given party, without respect to principle, are the true Democrats, Republicans, or Democrats… the rest should be labeled human. In plain terms… just because someone is associated with a party does not limit their humanity from disagreeing with certain parts that ‘official’ philosophy.

It might be interesting to note, in your case, that Ron Paul endorses Ayn Rand in the philosophy that Capitalism is the only social concept that allows for individual liberty.

“are the true Democrats, Republicans, or Democrats”

Sorry for the redundancy… the last should have read ‘Libertarian’

[quote]Repeating the same stupid act over and over[/quote] Kinda like voting for someone again and again that is not going to win while taking away votes from the one running against obama

Dave: “[quote]Repeating the same stupid act over and over[/quote] Kinda like voting for someone again and again that is not going to win while taking away votes from the one running against obama”
This line of fallacious thinking clearly demonstrates you lack of understanding as to who Ron Paul appeals to. Ron Paul would be pulling votes from both Romney and Obama both giving him a better chance of winning than either of the clones will have 1 vs 1.

I understand perfectly, paul attracts loons like himself….THE GUY CAN’T AND WON’T WIN

Dave, Every word you type further betrays your ignorance. Seriously you should quit, it only makes you look foolish…

Ummm…. sure

Since violence is the perview of the left, I must conclude that you are only here trolling. Begone!

Total
1034
gingrich
132
paul
26
romney
573
santorum
202
unbound
101

Face it, even if gingrich and santorum endorsed paul and he got the unbound delegates it would still only get him 461…..That a nomination does not make!

http://www.gop.com/index.php/comms/comments/updated_rnc_delegate_count1/

Dave those numbers have to be BS, most if not all the Caucus states have not awared any delegates to anyone, last I knew.

Ron Paul can beat Obama….he actually has a better chance than Romney…..if the Republican elite would not just back him, but work for his election… they want Romney and they will not work to elect anyone else. That is why we still have Reid in Nevada, the GOP elite would not help the Republican Tea Party candidate.

The poeple who will vote for romney are the ones who will vote republican- REGARLESS of who runs.

I am an independant and WILL NOT vote republican just to vote republican. However, I WILL vote for Ron Paul. There are a lot of us folks in the middle that feel the same way.

Ron Paul can beat Obama, but if you vote Romney, you will get four more years of Obama.

That is the reason DR. PAUL can not be the nominee . Because you said so . The media is pumping the same message . Please do not follow them . Follow the truth . U S A Today news said Monday last week , Romney can not beat Obama . In my opinion , The welfare population is too big to fight . Add the teachers union to it , which is Democratic Based . The teachers union endrosed Obama last election . When I heard that over the world news , I knew the election was over . The welfare population is bigger than it has ever been . Politicaly correct term is entitlements . Every recorded wage earner in the nation , pays welfare , through social security . The more you earn the more welfare you pay . So many people including Democrats do not know this . I have read news talk people say , the Republican party is not strong enough to fight the welfare population . If RON PAUL can not do it , neither can Romney . I will continue to support RON PAUL .

T i m says, “the Republican party is not strong enough to fight the welfare population.”

Interesting lack of logic. Paul would slash welfare rolls to a much greater extent than Romney would. How in the name of sanity does that make Dr. Paul more electable to the welfare population?

If that is what you read , then I wrote it wrong . Media says Romney can not beat Obama . My opinion is , the welfare population is to big to fight . Add the teachers union to it . I FULLY SUPPORT DR. PAUL . ALWAYS HAVE .

@KenS: This is the rationale that gave us McCain & look what happened in ’08.

“so is a piece of the pie better than no pie at all?”.. (ken s.)

… And is a faulty built roof better than no roof at all? What a philosophy!! And your quite mistaken about Ron Paul.. The Dems are currently salivating over the possibility that they will be going head on with Romney.. The woman issue, the flip-flops, the elitist.. This is but
a few niches that Romney will have to explain before he can even get down to issues and then that old religious cloud and his being a Mormon, outrageous according to a great majority of evangelicals.. And THAT’s just the beginning! Any opponent with an ounce of savvy (and Obama abounds with savvy) will then attack Romney personally (his off-shore wealth, minion of big corp., etc.) and expect positive proof of those things that have been floating in the air for 3.5 years (birth, citizen, muslim) to be squashed in front of your very eyes.. No, Dems want Romney (to slice up like a swine) Ron Paul scares them because.. Hell.. He has nothing to hide. And yes, you will get you’re wish.. The Pubs WILL win but ONLY through Ron Paul. Bottom line is, I’ll respect any President that’s elected.. Will you?

You are seriously mistaken, Ron Paul does far better against Obama than Romney does. Romney has no appeal to Independents and certainly does not appeal accross the Isle. Ron Paul does and a recent rassmusen poll conccurs.

Ron Paul has a 30+ year record of standing up for his principles and our Constitution. Romney has Romneycare.

I’m pretty sure I could make you “safe and secure” by placing you in a maximum security prison. For EXTRA security and protection, I could go further and stick you in solitary confinement. But wait, oh. There’s far more to life and the constitution that safety and security.

“a well trained, ever-ready military, able to be pro-active anywhere on earth”.. Their ALREADY positioned anywhere on Earth and look where it’s gotten us.. More hatred.. More enemies.. MORE AID TO THE FOES WHILE AMERICANS STARVE!! Ron Paul isn’t going to desolve the military, he’s bringing the majority back home to protect us from attack, not allowing it to go out and attack. What a bunch of morons.. I’m almost embarrassed of the idiots that know better than our leaders. Iran is a con in the effort to keep the public interested in continuing it’s wars. Like a million dollars within trillions, Iran is a spit in the bucket and the elite knows this BUT it’s the only road to true warfare with china, Russia and even India.. Soon we’re going to be seen in the same light that we once viewed the Soviet Union and when that comes to pass, the rats (allies) will desert the ship. WAKE UP! We have always been separates as each country begs for protection then takes their armies home.. To protect THEIR nation.

Jim says — “Paul rejects certain critical, core ideas in the U.S. Constitution, and therefore would pose a serious danger to all Americans if he were President. I refer to his rejection of a strong national defense, based on a well trained, ever-ready military, able to be pro-active anywhere on earth on short notice, whenever necessary for the safety and security of the American people”.

What? You couldn’t have made a more fallacious comment, Jim. Ron Paul is one of the very few Politicians who has stood up for the Constitution regularly.
Where in the Constitution does it say that our military is to be pro-active anywhere on the Earth? In fact what the Constitution does say is that Congress has the Power to declare Wars. When was the last time the Congress declared a war? George Washington warned against entangling Foreign relationships. So did Thomas Jefferson.
Pass that doobie this way, Jim. It must be good stuff.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance17.html

You apparently know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul. What you have said is nothing more than baseless, fact-less claptrap. How about you stop listening to the MSM and get off your butt and find out what Ron Paul truly stands for.
Ron Paul has a clear and definable History in Congress supporting the Constitution voting NO on every bill he finds Unconstitutional.
You refer to a false premise when he has clearly stated he supports a strong national defense. What he does not support is Military Imperialism and 140 odd bases all over the world. Those troops do not defend the nation when stationed overseas. Bringing the troops home consequently does not stop our projecting force if needed, we will still have boats and we still have planes, capable of sailing and flying around the world… As I see it the troops stationed stateside protect and secure the nation, troops stationed elsewhere do not and in some cases even jeopardize the nations security. We even have seen a result of that jeopardy first hand after Kuwait on multiple occasions. The CIA even has a term for it called “Blowback”.

So you believe, Jim, that our Government is protecting our Freedom and Security whilst they are taking both away in other countries and making us enemies that we wouldn’t otherwise have had? Unbelievable.

We lose our freedoms incrementally year after a year, non stop, in favor of more security. At what point do we become Free and Secure?

DOC you are missing a huge point here . Talking about Dr. Paul wanting to be freinds with Iran . You post said Religious leadership is pumping Allah as supremeleader , what ever it was you said . If AMERICA was as pasionate about our supposed ” FAITH ” in GOD , and Jesus Christ , I am confident there would be no discusion . Ron Paul has declared his faith in Jesus Christ , through his personal blog . That is main reason I support him . The BIBLE I read says , GOD is LOVE . Part of the definition I understand Christianity means , when we accept the principles of faith in Jesus Christ , we are expected to spred the news of GOD’s love . The eastern nations have been killing themselves from the beginning of time . What history you want to follow . Dr. Paul’s non interventionalist attitude , AMERICA should have done decades ago . Dr. Paul is not part of the political establishment , which is why he is ignored by the mdeia . Congress does not want to miss a paycheck , as a large part of congression pay come from SOCIAL SECURITY , after welfare gets done with it . I will continue to support Dr. RON PAUL .

You believe the hype. the ONLY reason wack jobs like Ahminajihad have any power at all is because the US deposed their duly elected prime minister. If Iran has a nuke, who cares? Israel or the US can wipe them out without EVER setting foot on the ground. More likely, they’ll just become another player in teh MidEast, as they were anyway. China, Russia, Pakistan and India all have nukes, lets go to war w/ them first; I mean, its our “moral duty” to keep other countries from having them right? Cuz America’s “so trustworthy”. Some people are so stupid, they want to do the same s@#t over and over and over… and expect different results.

Is it possible Doc Venture that you and I and all the citizens are naive about Iran. It just could be that if we made friends with them, they would lay off the B.S. and their totalitarian government would fail? It is a fact that the Iranian people crave the west, and its ways. I believe if we open the flood gates so to speak, the evil regime that is now in power would not last another 12 months.

These people crave things from the USA, and you cannot stop them from getting it once the gates are open. Who knows, they may end up another sort of Democracy.

Paul is Correct, and he has been around, and listening to all that has gone on about Iran, for many many years, and knows things us common citizens probably do not know. He is correct, and has my vote. A war with Iran is surly not in our best interest.

DocVenture says, “…but you can’t just become an isolationist and turn your back on the world.”

“Ceasing to deal with other nations with threats of violence is not isolationism, it is the opposite. Opening ourselves up to friendship, honest trade and diplomacy is the foreign policy of peace and prosperity” –Ron Paul

DocVenture says, “He lost me in a speech he made not too long ago when someone asked him about Iran, and he said we should make Iran our friend, and trade with them. This makes me thing, as smart as he is, he is dangerously naive about how the rulers of that country think.”

You reject making them our friend and trading with them based on a false fear and lack of understanding yourself about the customs and intent of people of Iran. We’ve already proven that they can be made peaceful friends and trade with them way back with the Treaty of Tripoli. Your baseless fear fails.

DocVenture says, “And don’t forget, Iran’s clerical leadership has gone on record many, many times calling us the Great Satan.”

Perhaps if more people were students of history they would understand why. They have called us the Great Satan because of our propping up a despotic dictator (Shah) after overthrowing the first vestiges of a democracy in 1953. Then after the Shah was thrown down during the Iranian revolution of 1979 we helped Saddam gain power, arming him, during the nearly decade long Iraq/Iran war which further cemented resentment for the United States. If you follow history objectively, you will realize that the “Great Satan” is a term given directly as a result of decades of intervention against the Iranian people.

Ron Paul would have a better chance of winning if more people were educated on the matter.

Then let’s do it right and satisfy the true power mongers by attacking all other Countries that DO have nuclear capabilities..Ooooh! Imagine the profit in that and to hell with those who die for the cause. America seems to fall into the category of bully when it threatens to spank a country that hasn’t (yet) acquired what we don’t want them to have THEN place propaganda through media to reign fear into it’s population who say’s, “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS”.. Seems Rome has already washed it’s hands on what it wants to do.. According to it’s people!! Woe is us if Ron Paul is ignored and cast aside.

DocVenture,
I think you and all the others here calling R. Paul and “isolationist” have a reading comprehension problem!!! He very strongly believes in trading with other countries, how in the name of heaven does that make hin an isolationist??? He just doesn’t believe in us meddeling in other countries politics!! I happen to agree!! now if they are a true threat, he and I both believe in taking a defensive stance with ANY country that would do so! Look at how many threats N. Korea has made against us and our troops in S. korea. How many have actually happened? the closest one was the shelling of that island that north AND south Korea BOTH claim.
Remember, Ron Paul has said quite a few times that if Congress votes to go to war, that he, as president, will go, kick azz, and get out as quick as possible. No ten year, nation building, wars!!

“Half the countries in that part of the world already have nuclear weapons…”

Britain, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan and Israel constitute half the countries in that part of the world? Who knew?

Seriously, when you make overstatements like that you lose credibility.

Isolationism will only work one way: from a position of strength. You have to be so dangerous no one will mess with you. Regrettably, that is not Ron Paul’s agenda.

I don’t care if ANYONE likes us, as long as they FEAR us!

For JimRed.

Man, come back to the real world. Foreigners wont fear a country that don’t have money for ammunition, wake up!!
This country has a puppet as president (all of them after Kennedy) and people are being daily humiliated by the TSA, we are involved in nonsense (oil industry interest) endless wars far away that we cannot afford. Don’t you agree in that foreigners should believe americans are so dumb as Homer Simpson?

They ask themselves: Why they don’t defend themselves from their government? Fear is the last thing they have from USA.

Vote Ron Paul, don’t act like a sheep!!!

JimRed is right! To be without a strong national defense would be suicidal. One of the primary reasons for creating the Constitution was to ensure the “common defense”, i.e., the defense of all the States, each of which would not alone have the capacity to defend itself from foreign enemies. As for internal economics, any country that isolates itself from commercial interaction with other nations (international trade) is doomed to suffer poverty and destitution. Every great and prosperous nation on earth has become so by being commercially interactive with other nations and peoples. That way, each nation gets the best of everything to be had, and is not limited to only what it can produce.

“Every great and prosperous nation on earth has become so by being commercially interactive with other nations and peoples”…

Emphasis on ‘commercial’ NOT Militarial and we would be strong enough to defend our country once we bring home the majority of separated troops that we’ve placed in every part of the world. And what about our allies? Why aren’t they as gung ho as we are? Or are they just waiting for us to fail so that they can bring back their skeleton crew and say, “NOW their on their own”.. This Country was never created to become the world’s nanny.. We’re starving our own people in an effort to feed our enemies. How many soldiers does it take to insure another country abides by human morality? None!!.. It takes intelligence (and not many of them) to keep an eye out for aggression yet we spend billions keeping our military over there as ‘policemen’ or for the ‘terror’ effect while the population does their thing behind our backs in any case. Some elite sharks are manipulating us into believing that a free nation must war to feel safe and we gobble it up while our allies shrug and say, “at least it’s not our billions”.. Anyone who believes ‘war is peace’ is no better than the huns of yore. At least try to wake up and realize that for every dollar we spend maintaining (a mock) peace, our true enemies (the ruling despots) pocket this same dollar. We’re not preventing aggression, we’re contributing to it. RON PAUL 2012!!

Everything the government does increases our debt or further erodes our rights and the constitution. When did we become the enemy?

Jim,
If what you say is correct, where is their concentration on N. Korea??? Even Japan, who has sworn to peace has warned if they launch a missile in the next couple of months, they will shoot it down! As far as your comment of isolation, in reference to Ron Paul, he is NOT an isolationist! He has also said if congress votes to go to war, he would do so and do it to WIN! name one president since Korea that has been in favor of “Winning” instead of playing political GAMES!

How can we ever hope to keep our own Freedom when we’re foolishly rallying behind the military state that is taking away the Freedom of other countries’ citizens? There are Hopers and Dreamers on both sides of the Political Spectrum. Too bad for those of us with our eyes open.

For the confused people, Ron Paul is most definitely not an Isolationist. He is a Non-Interventionist. Big difference, Ron Paul is fully willing to go to war and win should Congress declare one as is Constitutionally proper.
What he is not willing to do is leave the troops all over the world costing us money for this so called war on terror and for other reasons now obsolete. We have no need for the post Cold war military bases protecting the world from Soviet aggression… Likewise we have no reason to put our noses into sovereign nations business, telling them what they can and can’t do, eg Israel. Israel does not need us, nor do they want us, interfering in their sovereign affairs…
It is time our foreign policy evolved, it is horribly outdated and clearly causes us more trouble than it has solved…
You see Iran watches it neighbors invaded and violated, they would be fools not to pursue a Nuclear weapons program and pursue friendships with Russia and China given our current policy and history in the Middle East.
Oh wait, they already are…
Anyone who wants war with Iran should have their heads examined.

Get real, the Iranian government was a “friend” the Iraning upper class was a friend. The average guy in Iran was no friend to us thanks to us meddling in their internal affiar in the 50s.

“Polls are really not what they seem to be.”

Funny, the only time I ever hear that is when the poll is unfavorable to one’s point of view.

libtard says:
“A majority of Americans feel china is an ally!” Where did you hear that? Anita Dunn perhaps? Or was it the guy who makes Christmas tree ornaments for The Obama White House?

“Go on fooling yourself but Iran was a friend to us before Carter and being friendly is better than hostile to anyone regardless of your religious fears and superstitions” Ahh,before Carter there was this guy named “Shah” who raised quite a tuckis and made the Iranians mad at us.

“Remember the WMDs Iraq was supposed to have?” Go to the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, bring a shovel and pack a lunch.

“Polls are really not what they seem to be.” Rule of thumb, Polls are only correct when they support your liberal ideology.

BTW, the only thing correct about your post is your choice of a blogging handle.

It is typically the Leaders of countries that stir up the trouble. The rest of us are just here to be drafted for cannon fodder or for the Leaders to pick our foolish pockets.

We have no draft, it is volunteer for cannon fodder…Just saying

Dave, tell that to the people who lost loved ones in Vietnam. We don’t have a draft >presently< but we could, at anytime, have one again to requisition said cannon fodder for these popular pointless wars of aggression.
The military was stretched pretty thin fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. We would definitely see another draft if we dclare on Iran and find oursselves facing Russia and/or China to boot… Both are freindly to Iran and China has a stretegic Oil interest in Iran. The concept is not farfetched.

Zionist huh! Isn’t that the same way that Iran and Syria refer to Isreal?

DonnieB,

Educate yourself and step away from the Zionist-owned media for once…

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-gentilehate.html

“Non-Jews cannot understand why Jews commit massacres without understanding Jewish morals and laws about killing non-Jews. Although it may be difficult to fathom, Jewish rabbinical law permits Jews to kill non-Jews – without penalty. Israeli soldiers are actually instructed to kill non-Jewish civilians – whenever they come across them:

When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakhah they may and even should be killed … Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized … In war, when our forces storm the enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakhah to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.
- In the Wake of the Yom Kippur War, Central Region Command (Israel Defense Forces), 1973, quoted in Ha’olam Hazzeh, 5 January 1974

The late Israeli author named Israel Shahak wrote an essential book about Zionism and Jewish supremacism, entitled Jewish History, Jewish Religion, which revealed the inherent racism of Jewish rabbinical law and how the rabbis of the Israeli military enjoin soldiers to kill non-Jews:

The non-Jewish nations have a custom according to which war has its own rules, like those of a game, like the rules of football or basketball. But according to the sayings of our sages, of blessed memory…war for us is not a game but a vital necessity, and only by this standard must we decide how to wage it. On the one hand…we seem to learn that if a Jew murders a Gentile, he is regarded as a murderer and, except for the fact that no court has the right to punish him, the gravity of the deed is like that of any other murder. But we find in the very same authorities in another place…that Rabbi Shim’on used to say: “The best of Gentiles – kill him; the best of snakes dash out its brains.”

http://www.bollyn.com/the-zionist-criminal-network/#article_12543

DonnieB,

You and many others have probably never heard of these Orthodox Jews who oppose the Zionist State of Israel. The Zionist-owned media suppresses their protests. Here’s their website…

http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm

Here is what these Orthodox Jews say about Judaism versus Zionism…

“Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.”

http://www.nkusa.org/aboutus/whatzionism.cfm

The Christian community is no better when they support the warmongering Neocons that make up the GOP today who are doing the Zionists’ bidding with American blood. Even the late Reverend Jerry Falwell completely hoodwinked by 911 once said horrendously of the “terrorists” on November 11th, 2004 on CNN, “If it takes 10 years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” It is truly sad and horrific that Neocon Zionism has even infiltrated Christianity with its bloodlust.

Carl,
not to belittle a person you seem to worship, but who is he other rhan a guy with a degree that listens to the opinions of others? What proof has he seen that PROVES that 9/11 was a zionist plot? Was he told by government agents? I doubt it. Was he there to catch them in the act? I kinda doubt that, as well. When he starts showing me some REAL proof that it was, I choose not to believe.

You had me going there until you reached that final paragraph castaway.. When is everybody going to learn? It’s NOT America, it’s America’s leaders.. It’s the controlled media that needs revamping, it’s money hungry monsters financing wars (with taxpayer’s funds) for personal profit.. NOT AMERICA! NOT AMERICANS!! Anyway,

” We don’t know what Russia, or China would do either “.

Oh, contrare! China, Russia AND India has already warned that if Iran is attacked,THEY might possibly intervene.. Scare tactics? Are you willing to allow our gubment to take that chance??

China would definitely intervene, they have a strategic interest in Iran via Oil. They are not going to sit idily by and let that Oil supply be interupted.

Michael J.
to just give the devil his due, are you willing to bet your life and the life of all your family that a nation that fights by commiting suicide would really be worried about MAD??? If the country gets whipped up enough against the great satan, would you bet your exhistance on it??

JoeH,
Yes I would bet my life that the Mullahs will not initiate a nuclear engagement that would put their own life at risk. They will not hesitate though, to put at risk the lives of their own people in a conventional war or covert terrorist attacks. Cowardice and self preservation is their driving force.

I would. They cannot convert the world to Islam if the world of Islam becomes a a radiation ladden glass pit.

The subtle but very critical, difference in Dr. Paul’s positions is exactly what the MSM is so good at hiding. The totally irrelevant differences between Romney and obama however they seem to have no trouble pointing out.

From http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/House/Texas/Ron_Paul/Views/Iran/

“On November 12, 2011 Congressman Paul participated in the CBS foreign policy debate. He was asked there if war with Iran was worth it to prevent them from achieving a nuclear weapon and he states that it is not.”

“Scott Pelley: Congressman Paul, let me follow up with you for just 30 seconds. Is it worth going to war to prevent a nuclear weapon in Iran?

Ron Paul: No, it isn’t worthwhile… ”

The Reuters poll said, “A majority of Americans would support military action against Iran if there were evidence that Tehran is building nuclear weapons”

I’d say the American public is at odds with Dr. Paul’s philosophy, no matter how you parse the words. There are no subtle nuances to be explained. He said war isn’t worthwhile and the majority polled said it was.

“When the other Republicans have expressed their concern about Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, Paul asks why it is such a terrible thing that Iran should obtain the bomb. After all, he says, the Soviet Union had the bomb for decades, and that ended okay.”

http://blog.nj.com/njv_george_berkin/2011/12/paul_why_ron_paul_will_win_the.html

Sorry, it’s that type of stance that will alienate Dr. Paul from the voting public, both Democrat and Republican.

Vigilant says, “I’d say the American public is at odds with Dr. Paul’s philosophy, no matter how you parse the words. There are no subtle nuances to be explained. He said war isn’t worthwhile and the majority polled said it was.”

So what you are trying to tell me is that the majority of Americans (according to your source) supports preventive/preemptive war?

Perhaps, but what I said is that Ron Paul did not say they have a ‘right’ to build them, but that they have a right to develop nuclear energy under the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is the same treaty which forbids them to develop nuclear weapons. Although… they do have a right to withdrawal from the Treaty.

The position in which the American public supports preventive/preemptive military action (which we could definitely argue with the sweeping generalization by your sources) against Iran, is not Constitutional, or even moral, and… as Dr. Paul admits… isn’t worthwhile… meaning; futile to attempt. Exhibit A: Pakistan

So, there are indeed subtle nuances to be explained, even if to correct the mislead majority.

TML, I’m not here to engage in an argument about the morality or Constitutionality of a pre-emptive strike to prevent Iran from gaining a nuclear weapons capability. I have been careful to avoid judgments, I’m merely reporting the realitiy of what the American voters feel.

“So what you are trying to tell me is that the majority of Americans (according to your source) supports preventive/preemptive war?”

I’m not TRYING to say anything, I’m reporting the results of the polls, which say that yes, “the majority of Americans supports preventive/preemptive war” to stop Iran from gaining a nuclear weapon.

Why are you killing the messenger? If you have some other poll results that tell a different story, by all means divulge them.

“Why are you killing the messenger?”

Is it bad form to question, and scrutinize the messenger?

“If you have some other poll results that tell a different story, by all means divulge them.”

Btw… I put little faith in such polls

Vig,
I have to agree with TML here. Polls can be made to say ANYTHING! Asking the right questions, you can put out a poll that says the majority of US citizens say the moon is made of green cheese!

So, the US has the second highest number of nukes in the world (and ours probably really work), and is the only country in the world’s history to have actually used nuclear weapons against another country, yet we have the gall to tell another country that it can’t have nuclear weapons? Unbelievable Hypocrisy. I always expected more from my countrymen, but it doesn’t surprise me.

And so whats your point? (besides the one on your head covered in tinfoil)

“On November 12, 2011 Congressman Paul participated in the CBS foreign policy debate. He was asked there if war with Iran was worth it to prevent them from achieving a nuclear weapon and he states that it is not.”

What Vigalant does not add is Ron Paul has already stated that should CONGRESS DECLARE WAR, he would fight said war to WIN. So while Ron Paul states such a war would not be worth it, he would fight such a war should the Congress declare one. Unfortunately I might add, as that war would more than likely include China and possibly Russia in opposition to the USA. In the end though there would be no Guarantee such a war would stop Iran from reaching Nuclear status. Especially if Russia and China get involved.

MadPepperJack,
Ah, but who controls their weapons? The people or the regiem??? The ruling party on BOTH sides!!!

“Wake up vigilant he is not an isolationist but a free trade realist, who believes in diplomacy first and covert operations last.”

Wake up to what? You must have a reading comprehension problem. Where did I say he was an isolationist? That is your word, not mine.

Secondly, look up “covert” in the dictionary. I think the word “overt” is what you meant.