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Do The Media Want A Race War?

April 6, 2012 by  

Do The Media Want A Race War?
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While video of George Zimmerman played, ABC News reporter Matt Gutman said: "Take a closer look at this video. We slow it down. No visible blood on his head or his nose or his clothes. We know he never went to the emergency room that night."

I have had it with all of the irresponsible, sensationalistic comments about the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla.

It’s no surprise that Al Sharpton and his fellow rabble-rouser, Jesse Jackson, are doing everything they can to stir passions to the boiling point. That’s been their modus operandi for more than 20 years. Does anybody remember Tawana Brawley, the fake rape victim Sharpton used as his first stepping-stone to national fame (or should I say infamy)?

But I can’t remember a time when the media were so eager to give nationwide publicity to every vicious lie and racist accusation. Forget about trying to get calmer heads to prevail or any of that nonsense about not rushing to judgment. The media want someone’s head on a platter (or at least George Zimmerman’s body in jail). And they want it now.

If they have to doctor the facts a bit to get it, so what? They’re willing to use some incredibly dishonest means to see that “justice” is done.

NBC was guilty of one of the most egregious examples, when it ran a clip on the “Today” show of George Zimmerman’s call to 911. According to the excerpt NBC broadcast, Zimmerman said, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

Obviously, NBC wanted its audience to believe that Zimmerman is a Neanderthal racist who wouldn’t hesitate to gun down an innocent 17-year-old just because he was black.

As it turns out, Zimmerman did utter those words. But the clever editors at NBC left out some incredibly important dialogue that occurred between the two sentences. Here’s what was actually said:

Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

911 Dispatcher: “OK. And this guy, is he black, white or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

Clearly, Zimmerman was simply answering the dispatcher’s question. He did not equate Martin’s race with “being up to no good.”  But that’s not how NBC portrayed it.  I guess Sharpton has a buddy in their editing room.

As you probably know, Zimmerman claims that after calling 911, he did not continue to follow Martin, as many of his critics contend. Instead, he says he returned to his SUV when Martin approached him. Words were exchanged, then Martin punched him in the face, knocked him to the ground and started beating him. An eyewitness says he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, who was yelling: “Help, help!”

That was when Zimmerman shot his assailant. So far, the police have not released any evidence that contradicts his claim. Just to make sure the facts come out, however, Florida Governor Rick Scott has asked State Attorney Angela Corey to take over the investigation. Corey has a reputation in Florida as a tough, no-nonsense prosecutor. So there is no reason to believe she will be part of any cover-up.

That, of course, is not enough for Sharpton and his cronies. They are threatening to “escalate” the demonstrations if Zimmerman is not immediately arrested. The New Black Panthers Party has gone even farther, offering up a bounty for Zimmerman.

And where is our President in all of this? He says that “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin.” You do have two daughters, Mr. President. Does either one of them look like Aliyah Shell?

In case you’ve never heard of Aliyah, she was a 6-year-old black girl in Chicago who was shot to death last month while sitting with her mother on the front porch of her home. She was one of 10 blacks murdered in Chicago over St. Patrick’s Day weekend. Police say all 10 were murdered by other blacks.

In fact, according to FBI statistics, 93 percent of all blacks murdered in this country are killed by other blacks. But Jesse Jackson insists that “blacks are under attack.” And Spike Lee obviously had whites in mind when he wrote, “You can’t keep killing black children.”

Meanwhile, the media continue to do everything they can to treat Martin like a saint (Don’t you just love the innocent-looking baby pictures of him they show over and over again?) while trying to cast doubt on anything Zimmerman says in his own defense.

Attacked and beaten by the youth? ABC News says that “no abrasions or blood can be seen” in the surveillance video that was shot when Zimmerman arrived at the Sanford police station.

The police report made at the time says that Zimmerman’s nose was bleeding and his back was covered in grass stains when he arrived at the police station. His lawyer said his client went to the doctor the next day and was treated for a broken nose.

But of course facts don’t matter to agitators who are looking for a cause célèbre.

Even some liberals have acknowledged what’s been happening. Writing in The New York Times, Bill Keller referred to Al Sharpton’s rabble-rousing as “the kind of demagoguery that could prejudice a prosecution or mobilize a mob.” Then he added, “Is it not creepy, by the way, that Spike Lee was tweeting the suspected home address of George Zimmerman? As if to say, ‘Go get him!’”

Of course, as you probably heard, the leftist film producer (and host of a million-dollar fund-raiser for Barack Obama) got the house number wrong. Instead of terrorizing Zimmerman, he gave the street address of an elderly couple who fled their home in fear. Lee later apologized for sending out the wrong address — but not for trying to create problems for Zimmerman.

Last week Bobby Rush, a black Congressman from Chicago who says he is proud to have been a member of the Black Panthers, demonstrated his support for Martin by appearing on the House floor in a hoodie and sunglasses. He was escorted off the floor a few moments later for violating House rules on decorum.

Of course, Rush had achieved exactly what he wanted: more one-sided publicity in the national media. To my knowledge, he has said absolutely nothing about the murder of so many blacks, including Aliyah, in the district he actually represents. After all, those are merely statistics, while Martin’s death is an opportunity.

Who was it who said that the Democrats should never let a crisis go to waste? Clearly, Sharpton, Jackson and their cohorts will use this tragedy all they can. Too bad the national media are so willing to help them.

Until next time, keep some powder dry.

–Chip Wood

Chip Wood

is the geopolitical editor of PersonalLiberty.com. He is the founder of Soundview Publications, in Atlanta, where he was also the host of an award-winning radio talk show for many years. He was the publisher of several bestselling books, including Crisis Investing by Doug Casey, None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen and Larry Abraham and The War on Gold by Anthony Sutton. Chip is well known on the investment conference circuit where he has served as Master of Ceremonies for FreedomFest, The New Orleans Investment Conference, Sovereign Society, and The Atlanta Investment Conference.

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  • Chrisoak

    Oh yes, the video of Zimmerman showing “no injuries” as widely reported by the news media was also tampered with. There WERE obvious injuries to the back of Zimmerman’s head on that video. Let’s see, doctored video, doctored 911 call, posted assumed address of shooter, reported public ransom of a citizen, etc. All this, and the massacre of blacks in Chicago goes unnoticed by the news media and the beloved Jesse and Al.

    • Flashy

      If there were injuries…the police would have them photographed would they not?

      • http://firefox wog1

        Statements do not work?

      • Flashy

        there are enough on this site to state what normal police procedures would be. If there are injuries in a violent incidence…are still photo’s by the police of any physical injuries the SOP ?

      • eddie47d

        Injuries are highlighted in any police report so they would have been shown Chrisoak..You are playing loose with theories not facts.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Both Falsy and eddie spout a loud “DUH!” in tandem. If either of you had read the Sanford police incident report(police report posted online) you would have seen that the injuries to Zimmerman were noted.

        Of course that would refute any of your factless media driven opinions wouldn’t it!
        _____________________________________________________
        Zimmerman was in custody when Ofc. Ayala arrived on scene. Officer Timothy Smith, in his written report, notes that “Zimmerman complied with all my commands and was secured in handcuffs.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid. I oberved that Zimmerman’s back was wet and covered with grass…Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.”

        Once Zimmerman was cleared by the [Sanford Fire Department], he was transported to the Sanford Police Department.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in an interview room at [Sanford Police Department], where he was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton.”

        The police reposrt can be seen and read right here:
        http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/police-incident-report-fills-in-details-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

      • Flashy

        The question was and i’ll repeat it … when there are injuries in a possible criminal incident, is it police SOP to take still photo’s of the injuries?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, why don’t you call the Sanford PD and ask them!

        Sanford Police Department
        815 W. 13th Street
        Sanford , Florida 32771
        Phone: 407.688.5070
        Fax: 407.688.5071
        Dispatch: 407.688.5199
        ______________________________________________
        Sanford, Florida, police answer questions about teen’s shooting death – March 21st, 2012
        http://www.sanfordfl.gov/index.html

        The office of the State Attorney, 4th Judicial Circuit, State Attorney Angela Corey has requested that the City of Sanford remove all reports, videos and audio pertaining to the Martin/Zimmerman case from the website. Their office has provided legal justification for the action and they believe further access to the information will have an adverse effect on their efforts to come to a resolution to this investigation.

    • Patriot

      As I said do not respond to the paid for political hack “Flashy”, the evidence as far as I am concerned is that the police did not arrest Mr. Zimmerman! Obviously they know much more than we do, let the our justice system do their work, end of story!

      • Flashy

        Trust the police. Would that be akin to not being bothered having to carry around citizenship ID papers because you’re an American and don’t have to worry about it?

      • Warrior

        But, but, those stupid police are not elected either. It now appears that if a person is not “elected” to a position, they can’t be trusted! That’s what my president says so i’m going with him.

        “progressivism” is not a treatable illness.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Trust the police. Would that be akin to not being bothered having to carry around citizenship ID papers because you’re an American and don’t have to worry about it?”.
        So, the muckraker Flashman is whining about ID requirements? Is this the same Flashman who has no problem at all with forcing people to carry Health Care Insurance? What a hypocrite.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

      How shameless of so many in this column who because of ideology, or an insular way of thinking , will go to any length to justify George Zimmerman’s lie that he murdered an unharmed black kid returning from the store. This kid not not confront Zimmerman’s based on his own word he pursued him because he deemed him suspicious without cause. He did not see him breaking into a house or car but he deemed him suspicious looking.. He just deemed him suspicious because of his profile we must conclude. The fact that he stalked this kid with a gun and ended up killing him, instead of calling the police as protocol would demand and as 911 had instructed him renders his self defense claim suspicious. You can’t accost a free American walking down the street and demand to know what they are doing walking in a free country, and not expect a defensive response. We are not in the old USSR or apartheid South Africa where black needed a pass to walk through a certain neighborhood. I therefore find it hypocritical and hollow that individuals on this site , the same individuals who like to boast how open, free and civilized we in America are as we try to spread our democracy to the rest of the world, cant even respect the right of a kid to walk the street in his own country without being rendered suspicious and worthy of death.

      • mdbonjr

        Delroy, you know for a fact that Zimmerman approached Martin with malicious intent? Do you know for a fact that there was no reason for Zimmerman to be out keeping an eye on his neighborhood? You know for a fact that Martin was not acting suspicious?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000575975777 Charles of Waveland,MS.

        Why do we have the Courts?

  • Ted Crawford

    This administration is by, geometric proportions, the most divisive in my memory! They have attempted, and succeeded to various degrees, to divide this country along many lines; Racially: With the Professor Gates- Officer Crowley ( beer summit) incident, through this latest Martain-Zimmermann issue.
    Along gender lines with the abortion issue and the latest creation of the Sandra Fluke- Limbaugh issue, Here, with the illadvised and unintentional help of Limbaugh, they managed to successfully turn a discussion on the First Amendment into a brawl over conterception.
    They have even managed to divide us by age groups. By constantly reffering to Social Security and Medicare, insurance policies paid into by the participants, as ” Entitlements “! Unfortunatly here they are again aided by some far right individules!

    • Honestly

      Ted you said….This administration is by, geometric proportions, the most divisive in my memory!

      I totally agree. This is all a plan by our president and his backers to control this country and the elections. He is always trying to manipulate the American people. It is time to WAKE-UP and see what he is doing, before it is too late.

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    this election IS OVER NOW; you are either an imbecilic liberal or an intelligent [taxpaying] conservative. you either want the government to wipe you nose [or some other area] or you are an independent self supporting adult.

  • http://abstract.desktopnexus.com/cat/3d-and-cg/ dennis1946

    obama wants a race war so he can stay in power and take over the military.obama will do anything to stay in power from starting a race war, giving amnesty to million of illegals for their votes to lying.

    • Windrinker

      Yes, I believe that the illegal foreigner wants a race war…and who do you think will be in his “civilian army” that is funded through obamaSCARE!

      It probably will be all the Black Panther types and they will be well armed! It is a good guess anyway. There are many other Americans that would refuse to do “his work” for him..

  • lee

    hey Flashy. Youre as bad as the rest of them jumping to conclusions about the Martin case before you even know the facts.You are like the laime streem media. MORONS

    • Flashy

      What facts did I state that are disputed. it is the barest of event timeline. If you see where i wrote something as what is undisputed..and it’s disputed…let’s have it. As i see it..anything more that the barest of time profiles is in dispute.

      • douglcfl

        Flashy, you need to learn the difference between a fact and an assertion. Just because you assert something to be true that is not disputed doesn’t make it a fact. A fact is something that is corroborated by evidence. The absence of corroborating evidence means that your assertion is simply a theory for what happened. You seem to be willing to accuse someone of murder based on a theory. Thats what any in the media are doing as well. Zimmerman hasn’t been arrested because there isn’t sufficient evidence to warrant charges. We have rights in this country that protect us from false arrest which is what it would be if Zimmerman is arrested simply so we can calm everyone down. Do you want to live in a country where you can be arrested for political reasons? Do lyberty and cival rights matter to you? Listen to yourself and get a clue…

      • Flashy

        Doug…I listed five “facts’ which should not be in dispute. It’s the barest of facts. Are you saying of those 5 listed, you dispute one or that there is a 6th/

        Feel free to enunciate and clarify your vague assertions

      • eddie47d

        Almost every comment today is an assertion Douglcfl including yours. If you can’t point out what was wrong about Flashy’s remarks then you have little rational for what you said.

      • douglcfl

        Here are your statements (assertions)…

        Be that as it may…we know for certain

        1. Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance.
        2. Martin was known in the area, and the area is not exclusive as to race.
        3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off
        4. No one saw the confrontation
        5. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

        it was not a self defense situation with any story until Zimmerman created a confrontation. And yes, he created it. He stalked the kid and ignored directions not to. He was armed and this probably emphasized his “macho’ Clint Eastwood hero fantasies. And the insane law allowing someone to kill if they “thought” they were in danger is…as i said…insane.

        I’ll deal with # 1 as an example. You assert that “Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance”.

        First off the “self appointed community cop” statement is in dispute. There have been reports in the news media that say he was not self appointed. He was part of the Neighborhood Watch group.

        The remainder of your statement is pure speculation and you are simply parroting what the news media has said. “an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance” really, you claim that is a fact? Give me a break. That is an opinion about Zimmerman’s phychi. Are you a psycologist? Even if you were that statement would only be an opinion. Even an expert opinion is not the same thing as a fact.

        How about #3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off.

        Zimmerman “followed” Martin (charactizing it is stalking is bias not fact). It is unclear whether he ignored police instructions or not. Zimmerman claims he started back to his truck and Martin confronted him. Without corroboration (assertion #4. No one saw the confrontation) you don’t know that Zimmerman ignored police instructions. Zimmerman’s account could be true.

      • Brad

        Flashy you are a man full of answers, how do you answer Dougs post, inquiring minds want to know…

      • Flashy

        I’ll deal with # 1 as an example. You assert that “Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance”.

        First off the “self appointed community cop” statement is in dispute. There have been reports in the news media that say he was not self appointed. He was part of the Neighborhood Watch group.

        [ Check it out. there is no organized Neighborhood Watch Group. he was the only "member' ...]
        ===Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization===

        There are also several reports by newspapers from neighbors saying there wasn’t any organized watch…it was Zimmerman acting on his own. And they both welcomed and disliked his neighborhood snoopiness.

        But I see your point, there may have been news media statements to the contrary. Have any cites?
        ===========

        The remainder of your statement is pure speculation and you are simply parroting what the news media has said. “an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance” really, you claim that is a fact? Give me a break. That is an opinion about Zimmerman’s phychi. Are you a psycologist? Even if you were that statement would only be an opinion. Even an expert opinion is not the same thing as a fact.

        [ OK..you're correct in part. The "insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance" may be over the top. It's a usual complex for people acting as Zimmerman, but to assert he has such as a definite ... I take your point. He does have a history of aggressiveness. And he did on at least one occasion confront police and asserted his authority as a "fellow unofficial member of the police". Such is in police reports concerning his standing up for a friend at a bar. ]

        How about #3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off.

        Zimmerman “followed” Martin (charactizing it is stalking is bias not fact). It is unclear whether he ignored police instructions or not. Zimmerman claims he started back to his truck and Martin confronted him. Without corroboration (assertion #4. No one saw the confrontation) you don’t know that Zimmerman ignored police instructions. Zimmerman’s account could be true.

        [It is clear on every tape the dispatcher is saying not to follow. It is clear he ignored the instructions. Later, Zimmerman states he was walking back to his truck, but that had to be later than when the dispatcher said to back off as his details and descriptions and conversation continues. Stalking means he tracked him. ]

        OK..so lets amend the undisputed facts.

        1. Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop.
        2. In the past, Zimmerman had a history of aggressiveness and asserting some sort of authority.
        3. Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after being instructed by the dispatcher not to.
        4. There was a confrontation
        5. Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman was packing
        6 Martin was shot and died.

        Agree?

      • Vicki

        Flashy gets caught with loose facts but does get 3 that are probably facts by writing:

        4. There was a confrontation
        5. Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman was packing
        6 Martin was shot and died.

        And the only reason I am accepting these 3 facts from flashy is that I have read the police report on the incident.

        Now lets talk for a moment about 5.

        IF and I say IF Martin was the innocent victim the liberals wish us to believe then he is another victim of rabid gun control laws cause he was not allowed to carry a gun despite his right to do so under the 2nd amendment ( His age was 17).

        He also discovered (to late) that a sidewalk is not a good substitute tool for self defense.

  • Sanders

    With all the racially divisive comments coming from Obummer and Holder over the past few years it leaves me wondering when all the rioting will begin making the Rodney King riots pale in comparison. Could all this lead to a civil war of sorts, blacks against whites? This would no doubt lead to Marshal Law and Obummer could cancel the elections that he is almost certain to lose.my powder is dry and at the ready.

    • Ted Crawford

      Francis Piven is certainly doing her part to make this happen! She is out there referencing the austerity riots of Greece and Spain, as well as the student uprisings in the UK and demanding that America follow these examples!

      • Vicki

        Considering how hard they are trying, I find it very satisfying how un-sturrable the American people have been over this issue. Unless there are large riots somewhere that MSM is not reporting. And I find that hard to believe cause MSM likes sensational stories.

    • eddie47d

      Fearmonger Sanders there will not be any cancelled elections in 2012 or anytime soon. Stop spreading irrational fear to feed your already paranoid mind.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003537466597 Delroy Brown

        Nobody, is advocating a race war or seek to promote one. Sentiments of race war keeps creeping up from those consumed by hatred and resentment of president Obama. They choose to make an innocent child death into political forum. All news media of repute and decent Americans of character and impartiality have asked for a thorough investigation. and trial so that This is the only way we will get at the facts of that night. All we have is the story of a man who executed an innocent unharmed child based on his perception of him as a suspicious looking character.His case can only be argued in court and ruled upon by a judge and jurors. In doing so the family of Trayvon win or lose will have some justice and know why their son had to die. To get to that we must have an arrest. So far the Sandford police just took the murderer’s version of things, released him and were willing to close the case had there not been an outcry. You found nothing wrong with this. I cant help but wonder if you would share the same feeling had it been a close family member. Remember that in the absence of race and hatred we are all one and the same. We all must die one day and our ideology, political affiliation , money and racial superiority wont save us . We bleed the same blood and feel the same pain. We will one day answer to an impartial God so let your conviction be sure.

  • Deerinwater

    It seems that television News media wants “attention” ,all of them. They fight for this attention and the market share and is available. That’s what they want Chip, they attempt to feed people what they “think” they want to hear and call it “the news”.

    The average TV watcher and how it’s determined who the TV watcher “is” I’m not completely sure. But one thing I am rather certain of, they are not the sharpest tools in the tool box.

    Much of the programming presented today is dumbed down for mass appeal.

    Case in point, what normal , healthy person of average intelligence could stay connected to Al Sharpton or some of the many other talking heads from all networks for 30 minutes straight? Not many I would think. Most people have a life and something better, more constructive to do.

    I do not believe that what they call “their market” as being very representative of the “average American” today.

    In the last few weeks, I’ve found it more difficult to watch then ever before. So I’ve all but discontinued viewing TV news and TV in general.

    Finding staying current via the Net seems a better alternative for persons with busy lives.

  • http://httpaol.com sean murrey ILLInio

    Jackson .sharpton, Obummer are starting a race war.

    • Deerinwater

      Well, no they are not. If there be one, it would be due to “peoples reaction” to them.

      It’s for each of us to control ourselves and not allow “other’s” to control us.

      I had a wife once that made me want to be mean to her. If I had, who’s fault would it have been? her’s or mine? The judge told me it was my fault, I come to accept that as a truth and a lesson in life.

      Control of yourself is your responsibility and no one else.

      • Brad

        Oh yes they are….

      • Honestly

        Deeinwater…If they are we don’t have to get on board with that, do we?

      • Vicki

        Well said. Never let people “make” you do something. You don’t want to give others that kind of power over you.

      • http://windstream Joe

        I see your point but here is another side of that coin. If you are forced to be angry at someone and you control that anger it gives you the power. ALL of the power over that person. In fact it will make them nuts! But when you do it be prepared for them to retaliate with more negative behavior to provoke you more and more. Then if you are forced to defend yourself … what is it called? Is it self defense or are you guilty of assault?
        Would it depend upon the judge -or the police who are called to the scene afterward?
        Lets say that this young man Trayvon was walking in the rain and that he was acting a bit odd considering the weather and he was obviously attempting to get further from Mr. Zimmerman who was following him. That seems like it could be just an occurence – right? Treyvon liked to walk in the rain? He enjoyed doing so while talking on his cell phone? He was just going around for a walk in the rain with purchases from the store and talking to his friend on his phone- right? So why did he run? was he afraid of Mr. Zimmerman? This was a gaited community. Not the streets of some back alley! If he was wary of the reason for Zimmermans following him why didn’t he ask him? Who provoked whom? Who assaulted who first? These are the questions. The fact that Zimmerman has a gun and that he carried it and used it in the line of ( alleged ) self defense is the entire question. Those who wish to paint this as racism or as anything they want are the guilty. This was a sad situation for two men who for whatever reason happened to cross path’s at the same apartment complex and who responded to each others behavior in their own way. It’s up to a judge and jury to figure it out. NOT the media and not folks who have agendas.

  • Tom Cook

    Thanks for a reasonable column. There is too much racism rampant in this country and it is promulgated by blacks. Period. Whites now give blacks way too much credit for civility which as a group they do not deserve. Blacks in America in this day–as a group–are vulgar, ignorant, self-serving, anti-American,thug-worshiping, substandard, low-achieving, envious, amoral, animalistic, third-raters convinced by the deluded self-loathing liberals that they are owed a living. Their heroes are not the blacks who deserve admiration like Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, but the fools and morons like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. It is way past time for blacks to grow up.

    • Flashy

      “..as a group–are vulgar, ignorant, self-serving, anti-American,thug-worshiping, substandard, low-achieving, envious, amoral, animalistic, third-raters”

      Sounds like a white supremist group doesn’t it?

      • Ted G

        Flashy,

        You are just as bad as Sharpton and Jackson.

        Try to add some value to the discussion, because right now you sound like just another ignorant a$$hole.

      • Flashy

        Ted…am I wrong? Isn’t that what this discussion is all about? BOTH extremes are present and active and playing the media like the lead violinist at the symphony?

      • Brad

        So Flashy when was the last time the lame stream media covered a black on white hate crime? We had those two white college students killed by five blacks or those two British tourist, in the wrong place at the wrong time, shot by a black man. What about all the killings that happened over St. Patty’s day in Chicago, 10 people lost their lives, all black on black to include a 7 year old. When was the last time white people demonstrated and I mean recent history, old news doesn’t count.

      • DaveH

        Tom was being Racist. Flashman was correct. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
        If we are to lump people together for the crimes of others, what is the incentive for the good people to remain good?
        I can’t think of any Black people I’ve known during my life who weren’t Good People. They do have a problem with being racist, and blaming whites for their problems. But the Government has fomented such feelings by catering to them with special discriminatory laws which do nothing positive, but a lot negative by creating resentment among the unfavored classes. We just need to get the Government out of Freedom of Association issues where they have no business being.

    • Ted Crawford

      Unfortunately, Tom , there is plenty of Racism to go around throughout all ethnic groups. I had noticed over the last 15 or so years that the majority of racist comments were comming from minorities. I’m more concerned with the fact that over the last 2 or so years I’ve noticed a marked increase in these comments, once again, comming from my ” White ” associates! I contribute this to the very successful deployment of Alinsky tactics of the current administration!

    • Windrinker

      And, if anyone doubts Tom, they need to talk with anyone that volunteered at the Houston Astrodome when the city of Houston took in the Katrina victims.

      These animals sh– on the floors, people were scared to go to the bathrooms, the volunteers were intimidated, they pissed everywhere and on anyone. It was a travesty and many White people left in disgust after trying to help..

      Many of these animals never left, the crime rate in Houston, increased substantially!
      It changed the city when the purpose was only to give aid to people in need. What a nice reward for the city of Houston.

      • William 1

        As I have said before, coming form the South one supposes, wrongly, that I am prejudiced. But now as we look at the results of the 60′s forced integration and the level we have had to “dumb” down our great education system then one is no longer prejudiced as the facts speak for themselves-where there are blacks there is crime, murders, rapes, stealing, invasion of property, lawlessness, making babies that others have to pay for and leaving their girl friend-wife alone for the other five-there are no more prejudice about blacks-IT IS AN ESTABLISHED FACT NOW LOOK AROUND! They are their own worst enemies!
        If they want to blame somebody look at their own grand parents who were offered a free ride back to Africa after certain wars here and they refused to go-wonder why but then look at their home land-don’t bring that crap here!

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      Tom says”…Blacks in America in this day–as a group–are vulgar, ignorant, self-serving, anti-American,thug-worshiping, substandard, low-achieving, envious, amoral, animalistic, third-raters convinced by the deluded self-loathing liberals that they are owed a living.”

      Tom, you’re wrong and that statement is just as racist as anything Sharpton, Watters or Jackson could have said.

      • Windrinker

        Jeff, Catch a Grip!

        Anyone that has to resort to calling someone “racists” to prove a point, CAN’T!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Windrinker, WOW!, that’s quite a compelling arguement you just posted! Just where did I err in my comment? Perhaps you’d be better served to take a long look in the mirror yourself!

      • Windrinker

        Jeff, I don’t have to use the word “racist” to prove a point nor do I have to use “racist” when I don’t have anything better to say!

        Some people, like radical Lefties, have no retort but one…”racist!”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Tom said it and some people like myself will call it as it really is. What Tom said stunk of racism and it matters little to me whether it comes from a liberal, moderate or conservative.

        Let the liberals continue to cry wolf, that’s what they do best, but by God don’t hand them what they’re looking for on a silver platter.

    • mdbonjr

      I feel like you owe everyone an apology Tom. Your statement is vulgar and racist. Please don’t attempt to make things worse than they already are.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Tell Comcast Board Members that it’s Time to Clean House at NBC!

    NBC’s news operation is out of control. In New York, NBC employees deceptively edited a 9-1-1 tape to mislead people into thinking a racist statement was made – when it was not. In Florida, Al Sharpton -another NBC News employee – is trying to start a riot. NBC News is playing with fire to advance their left wing political agenda. NBC caved to MRC Action pressure and ‘apologized’ for their deceitful editing, but it’s not enough.

    NBC maliciously and deceptively edited a tape of Zimmerman’s 9-1-1 call to further incite racial animosity.

    NBC’s “investigation” and apology are a joke. Comcast needs to get to the bottom of how and why this happened & hold people accountable.

    NBC Host Al Sharpton has taken his race-baiting to a new level and is deliberately stirring up dangerous civil strife in Florida

    NBC is endangering lives and property by stoking racial hatred.

    I thought when Comcast bought NBC, you would clean up the hateful speech and divisiveness on MSNBC, but it has gotten even worse.

    You should all be ashamed of what the NBC brand has become.
    Al Sharpton and Phil Griffin should be fired immediately

    http://www.cleanhouseatnbc.org/board-al?

    • eddie47d

      I will give FOX credit for canning race baiter Glenn Beck and all media outlets should be concerned about who they hire and the message they send out. Sensationalism sells and those who watch can be just as guilty.

  • JimH

    Tape was edited this time. It was also edited in the Rodney King inncident.
    I’m sure “creative news reporting has been around since the first news paper.
    The news media is a business, looking for ratings and circulation. It’s not a service to provide us with information.
    If it doesn’t bleed it doesn’t lead.
    Unrest creates news.(aka business)
    The MSM talks about unethical business practices on Wall Street. They need to look into a mirror. The Rodney King misreporting caused riots.(more news)
    The irresponsable reporting of this has caused racial tension. (more news)

  • 1 Fearless !

    When is the MSM going to get this worked up over Black on Black Crime?

    • Ed Robinson

      Or Black on White crime !!!!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Muckraking media in 2012 sells stories based on emotion. Thinking people are harder to make mobs of or be manipulated.

      • castaway

        Then you are saying there are very very few thinkers in this country, that is being led astray?

    • eddie47d

      1fearless would you care and would you do anything about it. Or would we hear crickets?

  • Ed Robinson

    I believe it is time to organize something on the order of an anti Black Panther group, solely to keep a watchful eye on them ,and to document all their doings for possible prosicution . No violence just watch them, of course be able to defend ones self IF attacked ,which is most likely to happen because these thugs know no other way to handle things !!!! Lets call the group” The White Tigers ” that ought to tick a few people off!!!

    • http://liberty Tony

      To Ed Robinson:
      There are plenty of white groups that are no different from the panthers only in reverse. They’re called the KKK, Amren, Stormfront, and The Tea Party-that’s right. Now, for the last time and for the love of God. This isn’t so much race as negligence by a pathetic failed human being named George Zimmerman. If this article would print the whole 911 tape in its’ entirety, you’ll would see that Zimmerman was told not to get involved nor engage in the sit. Let the police handle it. By the fact that Zimmerman got involved, this bad sit. took place. No please stick with the whole story,lets not make a mountain out of a molehill!! Thanks!! TGIF!!

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You are obviously not paying attention to the facts. I am sorry for your level of ignorance (very high.) That is your problem, however, not mine. i never waste my time arguing with idiots.

      • KW

        Try reading the facts. When the police told him he didn’t need to follow Martin, he said “okay” and returned toward his vehicle.
        You can try to twist, but those damned old FACTS are stubborn things.
        Try this article for a level headed report of the facts, as known, interviews with eye witness, etc.- http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/zimmerman_and_ketman.html
        There was also a map published early on in this fiasco. Try reading this – http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/wheres_the_map.html
        If you have google earth, go here – 28 47″33.00″N 81 19’51.13″W – for a better map while reading the last article and you’ll see Trayvon backtracked to confront Zimmerman.
        This info (remember the police were on the phone with Z for over 4 minutes?), the evidence collected at the scene, as well as the witness testimony validate Zimmerman’s
        story.
        There is a reason Zimmerman was not charged.

      • Ted G

        Tony,

        The Teat Party are like the Black Panthers…come on get real.

        What a tool!

      • Flashy

        ted…hate ta tell you…but it’s closer to truth than not…

      • Katharine

        The Tea Party????? Since when is a group of people protesting government spending on the same level as the KKK? And what happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? Let the Court take care of this issue as that’s where Zimmerman should be on trial and not in the “court of public opinion”.

      • eddie47d

        Remember Conservative at Birth the BP’s only have a few members and the KKK have hundreds so who are the real troublemakers? Shall we list the dirty deeds of either group and I’ll assure you that the guys in the white hoods will be way out on top.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Capitalist at Birth:
        You’re the worthless idiot as the rest here, who’s making this Zimmerman case into an race issue. The question i have is, what’s the difference with all the garbage you people say and that of Rev. Al Sharpton? Tell me!! TGIF!!

      • Doug

        Tea Party is racist eh??? Please Tony lets see your file on all the racist stuff the Team Party does??? You know Tony a mind is a terrible thing to waste and you my friend should be using yours to pick up dog crap because its very obvious that you don’t use yours. Ever been to a Tea Party advent their Tony? Yea I did not think so and funny thing when Tea Partiers meet in large groups the area in which they meet is cleaner when they leave then when they got there. Please tell me about other groups who do that and open their arms to all who want nothing but our country to abide by the law of the land the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! Tony grow up!

      • Flashy

        “Ever been to a Tea Party advent ”

        Yep. More than one. Very white, very one sided and narrow viewpoints. Unwilling to discuss unless you’re nodding your head in agreement at some tirade, very racist remarks, and a picnic atmosphere for the most part.

        The ‘picnic” atmosphere is telling. the movement has no legs and will soon disappear as an aberrant footnote in our history.

      • Windrinker

        I think there is a moron out there named “Tony.” He makes up his own “facts” just like flashy.

        The 911 operator told Zimmerman “We don’t NEED you to follow him (tryiton.)” They tell callers this, trying to keep them SAFE and out of danger!

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “ted…hate ta tell you…but it’s closer to truth than not”.
        Sure, Flashman, like you know anything about truth.
        Here is a good example of Flashman’s twisted behavior. Follow the thread to see the full exposure of Flashman’s lack of credibility:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/01/25/your-choice-ron-paul-or-a-wheelbarrow/#comment-517886

      • DaveH

        If I were a bona fide Progressive, I’d be trying to get Flashman off this board, because he’s making Progressives look very bad. But then, maybe that’s because they are?

      • Windrinker

        Tony, when the Black Panthers all start wearing “Depends” they will have something in common with the TEA Party!

        That statement of yours makes you lose all credibility.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Windrinker:
        So, you admit that the Tea Party are worthless fools by saying they were depends, Huh!?!
        I, basically, try not to answer pathetic plebs but this time i’ll lower myself. You see Windrinker it’s backward good ole’boys such as yourself that make rational conservatives look bad. You have simplistic, Mccarthyite ways of relating. Now, i would agree that Blacks have to help themselves and stop depending on outside sources. However, the reason why there’s so much animosities is because of dummies like yourself, Dave, and the rest of the simplistic ilk of the Tea Partiers. Fare thee well. Happy Easter!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Correction wear not were. If i’m going to debate this type then i should use proper English!!

      • Brad J.

        Okay. Let me see… Yes, I’m sure of it. Herman Cain is a Tea Party supporter. Now, the last time I checked, I do believe the color of his skin was black. So, to say that the Tea Party is racist is just plain ignorance at its best. Plus they don’t go around spewing hatred for blacks like the KKK does or the skin heads of the world do. On another note, this Flashy dude is a complete idiot. Every time he writes something I have to shake my head in amazement at how ignorant he truly is, as all liberals seem to be. Common sense seems to be lacking from their vocabulary. I could care less what color a person’s skin is. It’s one’s character that should be held accountable. Unfortunately, the elites in our liberal government refuse to follow that rule, and instead pit races against one another in order to achieve their New World Order agenda. Very sad, to say the least. Even Martin Luther King is looking down upon us all, shaking his head, asking, “Did not anyone hear what I said?”

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Katharine says, “The Tea Party????? Since when is a group of people protesting government spending on the same level as the KKK?”

        The left just has to have a bogeyman since Bush/Cheney left office. If you’re not a Marxist/socialist/communist/progressive you must be a TP’er.

        This is the largest grass roots movement ever seen in the country…one would think they would just listen to the Tea Party’s message and find common ground rather than distort, demonize and outright lie.

        The Tea Party is not a political party. It does not seek power and money. The Tea Party is the primal voice of “No.” It is the embodiment of the admonition that when you find yourself at the bottom of a hole you should stop digging.

        The Tea Party does not want Congress to do the People’s business. It wants the People to do the People’s business, each minding his own.

        I have never seen such a concerted effort to demonize a group of peaceful demonstrators. They even clean up their own trash at the rallies. Yet we find the sociopathic at every level choosing to vilify these people who have a small clear message… less taxation, smaller government, and more efficient and less spending.

      • UWorlds1

        I am willing to bet most of those TPers get some form of government handout. Get real!!

      • Windrinker

        There is a moron on this blog that calls himself, Tony!

        Of course some radical progressive like you, would never “get the point” about those TEA party members! Since you have sucumbed to and are “parroting”: the illegal foreinger and his ilk, you lose all credibility. You know that I was drawing an extreme difference between the young, radical extremists, racists, black criminals that make up the Black Panthers.

        Many of the TEA Party members are retired, They are grandparents and they remember a great America. They believe in small government and believe we need to stop this government from the ourtrageous spending. So, they are hated by the illegal foreigner. After the 2010 election, they were put on Homeland Security’s terrorist list! They are not alone, as our soldiers returning from the Middle East share the same accusation from Homeland Security, run by (fat, exceedingly dumb and unqualified) Nappytano. The Black Panthers should be put on the “terrorists watch list,” instead.

        TEA Party members are “true Americans” that believe in the Constitution and abhor what you and your kind want to do to this country. Americans don’t like what you preach and none want what the progressives offer! You are in the minority and advocating a socialist agenda that always fails! It has always failed and it always will. And let me add that you better make sure you want what you wish for because, your useless-self will have no better fate than the rest of us..

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        UWorlds1 says, “I am willing to bet most of those TPers get some form of government handout. Get real!!”

        Really? Really? That’s quite a contribution you’ve made to the conversation! Get back to me on the 15th or the 1st, after you get your assistance check, and we’ll take you up on that bet!

        I guess I should ask first…do you consider qualified recipients who paid Social Security taxes and are recieving monthly Social Security benefits(not SSI)as a “government handout”?

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        JeffH, have you really checked out what the Tea Party really stands for or are you just passing on the garbage the the left keeps regurgitating? The Tea Party is a grass-root organization the wants less Government, less taxes and most of all we want to be left alone. Oh, the Left keeps characterizing the Tea Party as racist, we are not because if you look closer there are all kinds of people associated with the movement: Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Red.

        If you really want to know about the Tea Party check out their web site: Just Google Tea Party, you might learn something.

        MAY GOD BLESS THE US OF A and MAY SHE REIGN FOREVER!

      • Vicki

        Tony says:

        Dear Capitalist at Birth:
        You’re the worthless idiot as the rest here,

        Thanks for wearing a sign so we can recognize a liberal right at the start of your post.

        who’s making this Zimmerman case into an race issue.

        Racist liberals. Obviously. NBC in particular by their clever editing of the 911 tape.

      • DaveH

        So Tony thinks his inane comments are debating? I give you an “F”, Tony. You’ll have to try the Liberal Boards where you’ll fare better with emotional manipulative tactics in lieu of logic.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.), may I suggest you re-read my 2 posts on the Tea Party. I am a Central Valley Tea Party(Fresno, CA) supporter and have attended many Tea Party gatherings. I’m quite the opposite of what you have stated.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Sorry, JeffH, for my remarks but from your latest post it sure sounded like you were making the Tea Party out to be a bunch of Racist. I say again I sorry about my remarks.

      • DaveH

        And Tony, keep up the good work. You’re making Flashman appear intelligent.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Windrinker:
        Again you prove how little you know about me and what i stand for. Also, you proved my point about Mccarthyite tactics. You know, this is called assuming without knowing. There’s a beautiful lesson about assuming. When you assume and don’t know you make an @ss out of me and you. But more so you than me. Now, i’ve stated so many times on this website that’s it’s getting not only boring but irritating. I’m not some “leftie progressive
        radical”. I’m a fiscal/rational conservative in the mold of the Late W.F.Buckley,late Jack Kemp, and recently retired Tony Brown. The difference between you, your Tea party cronies, and me is i’m not a simply minded, reactionary fascist. That’s right, that’s what you Tea party types are. I’m sorry but that’s the truth. You’ll take our country back 40-200 yrs. That’s the days before the 19th ammendment and the Emancipation proclaimation. This Tea party virus is a curse to real conservatives and has to be eradicated. Fare well!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Hey Dave H.:
        Anyone compared to you looks intelligent. My niece, who’s autistic, is a genius next to you with your “enlighten Tea party fiends”. You know in a bizarre way, you gave me the ultimate compliment. One thing is certain, Flashy is way more knowledgeable then you ever can be. Thanks again for making my day and proving my point about your foolishness. So long!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.), not a prob and thank you for your service to this country. I tend to use a little sarcasm in many of my responses…especially to the really dumb ones by the ignorant liberals. Yours wasn’t one of them.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Tony says “Flashy(falsy)is way more knowledgeable than you(DaveH).

        Much like falsy(flashy)you have damaged what little credibility you may have had even further…but keep on thinkin’ that way…it’s laughable entertainment.

      • Vicki

        Tony says:

        Hey Dave H.:
        Anyone compared to you looks intelligent. My niece, who’s autistic, is a genius next to you with your “enlighten Tea party fiends”.

        Congratulations. 3 ad hominem attacks and one attempt to ridicule the developmentally disabled. Your credibility rating now equals Flashy. (Flashy is that you?)

      • castaway

        Tony, you need to lay off the dope. Its making you senseless.

      • DaveH

        You’re not a Conservative, Tony. You’re just a different category of Progressive. Like all Progressives, you think Big Government is the answer, even though the vast body of evidence proves otherwise.
        Emancipation Proclamation? You’re probably ignorantly unaware that it was strictly a war measure that didn’t even free the Northern Slaves. I’ll bet you believe that Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack also.
        To call you ignorant, Tony, would be insulting to ignorant people.

      • Void1972

        Tony
        You keep on bringing up the “Tea Party” as being a racist organization. Can you please give us an instance where this racist behavior occurred? I know of nothing that the tea Party has to do with any racist activity.
        The “Tea Party” did have a million members march very peacefully on Washington a few years back, many of them black, and did not have one occurrence of racism, not one arrest, and left the grounds spotless.
        The “Tea Party” promoted faith in God, Love of America, cutting wasteful spending and bringing back the morals that you fight against.
        Your million man March on Washington was another story. The majority of speakers knocked America and God. Spoke of how good communism is (you cannot believe in God and be communist) and continued to demand that you are “owed” reparations for the American “Tragedy” (that we continue to pay for this day) called slavery.
        You had dozens of arrest and left the DC area such a mess, it took millions of dollars and weeks to clean up.
        Now since you stated that you consider America “the best place in the world to live” and consider yourself a “conservative” I have to come to the conclusion that you have a disease called Bi Polar disorder, which is in the same mental disorder category called “Liberalism”.
        When you called the Knoxville Horror, where a young 19 year old couple were carjacked and brought to a home where they were both repeatedly brutally raped and tortured, the “Knoxville Tragedy” and tried to justify the evil insanity of your like, I knew you were totally demented.
        Your “Brothers” repeatedly orally and anally raped the young man for two days before cutting his penis off and setting him on fire while still alive.
        The true “Horror” happened to the young girl who they kept alive for two more days. You can’t imagine and I can’t even speak about it.
        You try to condone this because of your pride in your people, and blame this evil on other evil acts committed against your people. You want to cast off responsibility as you’re so trained to do in life.
        Yes, these Brothers are your kind of people, the sick, demented, evil scum that has infested the liberal community, and the liberal community continues to protect.
        Tony, you need to get some help for your sickness before you wind up in a system that is already infested with your “Brothers”. Another insanely high cost to the American tax payer.
        And you have the gall to blame the Tea Party for anything? Wake up freak, and take a good long look in the mirror, and there you will see the true face of “Racism”.

    • mdbonjr

      I haven’t personally involved myself in any movement but, I have personally witnessed a Tea Party rally. Amazing it was! Blacks, whites, democrats, republicans. Hugging, shaking hands, cleaning up behind themselves. I could not believe the overwhelming, horrid and terrifying actions I witnessed. How horrible that there was peace and no racism. I mean, the media had nothing to report about. Just a bunch of patriots. You know, those demon blooded terrosist type.

      • UWorlds1

        Don’t you think watching people is against personal liberty? I am sure you can find better things to do with your time. I think the new ‘black panthers’ have all of six people in their group.

      • mdbonjr

        Careful now uworlds. Don’t make presumptions. My post was meant to be entirely sarcastic. I apologize if I did not make that clear enough for you. I know you don’t know me from Adam so, I’ll define my statement a bit more for you. While in the course of my duties as an active, tax paying, contributing member of society (working), I happened to be given an order for a business directly across from the grounds upon which a TP rally was taking place. I observed for a short bit and was extremely proud of what I witnessed. The event was entirely peaceful. I happened to pass through the area a short bit later and witnessed virtually everyone there cleaning up behind themselves. This is obviously in direct contradiction to what the LSM (lamestream media) and liberals would have us believe about the Tea Party. Please re-read my previous post and hopefully you can now get a chuckle from it.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        mdbonjr, you do know that UWorlds1 is a liberal and therefore knows what you should do with your time better than you do.

      • mdbonjr

        I did catch on to that Jeff. I’m wagering that his misinformed mentality will miss my subtle sarcasm in my reply to him as well.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        mdbonjr :) ! Got yer back covered.

      • Vicki

        UWorlds1 says:

        Don’t you think watching people is against personal liberty?

        People watching is a time honored tradition. Always done by children (where do you think children learn behavior?) and often done by young adults. There have even been songs about it. It is a tradition that is still practiced even today.
        http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/travel/15weekend.html

        It is a natural side effect of association. Since we live in a country that supposedly protects freedom of association which necessarily includes the freedom to NOT associate, when someone doesn’t like people watching them, they are free to go where there are no people.

        If done for long periods of time these people are traditionally called “hermits”.

  • Bikerpop

    Oh yes, and anyone who sees through all the media hype and BS is conveniently labled as a: “conspiracy theorist”!
    It’s not hard to see that the MSM, controlled by the PE, IS fomenting a race war. After all, that would contribute to their goal of “reducing world population” too, would it not?
    Also the NWO they strive to bring about, would solve the problem and be welcomed by the uninformed masses as the solution to this problem. They create the problem and then offer the solution while the sheeple go along with the program.
    Not much different than Caesar appeasing the “mob” to by pass the rule of law and maintain controll in ancient Rome IMO.
    Axiom: Those in power will do anything and everything to stay there!

    • DaveH

      Yep, that’s what it’s all about. The Leaders and their Crony Capitalists thrive by turning us against each other.
      The reality of prejudice is that Government Meddling just makes it worse. People always have been, and always will be prejudiced. It’s in our nature. It’s what keeps us from climbing into Polar Bear cages when we don’t really know that the Bear is a man-eater (Ask Timothy Treadwell).
      And in fact anybody, who thinks, knows that racism is a two-way street. The only way to conquer it is with education, Not Big Government. The Leaders just want more Power and more Perks at the rest of our expense.

    • Vicki

      This video even talks about the effect of causing riots then jumping in offering to “save” the people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      starting about 3:50 gives the examples.

      The whole clip is really good and I suggest you listen to the entire thing.

    • castaway

      Correct, and they are currently doing a darn good job staying in power. Americans should rise up grab their arms, and pull this goverment down. Our founding documents tell us we are obligated to do this with a government as we now have. So, if they can divide us, then we will fight amongst ourselves. It is really difficult to believe what I am wittnessing today in America. What a sad time it is for us all. We are losing and will lose our republic, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights very soon, and no one will do anything to stop it.

      Oh yes, they will vote em all out in November. LOL Are Americans nothing more than a bunch of woosies?

  • ZED

    The time for the ultimate dust-up is upon us. Lock & Load, but remember to start at the homes of all these lame-stream media whores so that they and their radical left wing families are terrified. Then we move onto the minority sub-humans. No longer will we let these minority scum rule our actions and lives. KILL THEM ALL AND LET THE GARBAGE MEN SORT OUT THE ROTTING CORPSES!

    • castaway

      (offensive comment removed)

      • Flashy

        Castaways remarks….is there any wonder now why there is so much racial tension in this nation? Jeesh …

    • Oneguess

      Ouch! How much were you paid to post ? Just a plant I see.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      You’re either an idiot or a plant…or both.
      Stupid is as stupid does.

      • castaway

        Take a look a black history. What are the prison populations mostly made up of? I know a black lady from work who also has a 15 year old son, who is about 6’6″ , and has a good home, and everything he needs, but has a history of drugs, aggression, and violence and stealing his moms car. Good at home, but leave with his hoodie on, and then goes out on a stealing spree. Gets a dumb white girl knocked up, and dumps her for another white girl. Even this kids mom is afraid of him, and cannot discipline him, and is very careful what she says to him.

        I really do not care what you think, the facts are the facts, and this is a self defense issue. Trayvon was a punk gangbanger, and it got him killed. Oh and yes my friends son, is now doing time for something, and I did not ask what it was. She has been abused by black men since she was about 11 years old.

        If I was a betting man, I would say yes Trayvon attacked Zimmerman from behind, and Zimmerman saw death at his door, and shot Trayvon in self defense.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        castaway, are you addressing my comment to Zed or Zed?

  • Michael Jay

    Is the writer of this article HIGH on something? Yes the media would like a Race Riot. It as always,sells papers and of cource Blacks will get the short end of the stick when they are shot down, no matter what they are doing. If you don’t like Jackson or Sharpton speaking for people who have no voice or chose to dumb down the validity of outright murder, put the message in the heads of the killers; not to target and kill Blacks unless they can verify an actual crime and NOT; he LOOKS like he is up to something or like he is on someting.
    Sharpton and Jackson are screaming that they are tired of Racist justice when it comes to Blacks and Latinos. The writer knows in his heart the they speak for countless other deaths(ie: Ken Chamberlain, Dialo, Bell etc) and injuries(King, Louima etc). I am so sick and tired of this Kangaroo Justice that everyone knows exist but the majority just ignores is since its not personal to them. Don’t apologise for murder. Were it not for Sharpton and Jackson; there would be even more killings(there actually are, with absolutely NO press). I think some people as the writer is one, wish the complaining would stop and Blacks would just die in peace since you obviously don’t think we count for anything. Remember the majority of Blacks did not ask to come here in the first place.

    • Ed Robinson

      HMMM and what about the white couple that was tortured, raped, and murdered by FIVE blacks ,did theydeserve that , where are your Heros Jackson and Sharpton on that one, OH since the victems where white, You think it doesnt count ?????

      • Flashy

        Ed…I’ve had this conversation with others as we had coffee several times. The minority communities are doing themselves a great disservice when they protest only when a minority is victim to shoddy police work or racist violence. it does create animosity in those not mentally swift to realize they are acting only in direct concerns.

        When Mike Tyson utters racial remarks, they should be cutting him up…just as they would a white person. Just as YOU should be as active in voicing for injustice whatever the race involved instead of either taking the opposite side or standing aside in indifference.

        My point is…when black athletes or anyone for that matter…is allowed to utter racially tinged remarks, then everyone…including blacks who let this slide…are…in effect admitting the utterer has not the self control or social grace to be treated equally. That they need preferential treatment.

      • eddie47d

        ED:Those two white men in Connecticut killed and tortured that white family. That made the news for many months and rightfully should have.So it is not always a racial issue that gets the newsmakers attention. Then you have Nancy Grace who turns a hang nail into a murder case and attempts to scare the begeebies out of everyone. Twice was enough for me to watch her hyped up shenanigans.There are plenty of eager people willing to sell their soul for a buck and they use the media outlets to do it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Then all of the blacks can return to Africa. Is ignorance as blissful as it appears?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      By your own admission you say that the Jacksons, Sharptons are the messiahs of the black people because the black are way too incompetent to think for themselves and live their own lives.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Then go back to Africa and dig up your dead ancestors and beat the living tar out of their corpses because that is who sold your black a$$ to a better land with more freedom than Africa has ever promised. Just imagine your great grand daddy sold your grandmother so she could prosper in a free country. He did you folks great justice by doing so and you know have had 200 years to complain get all the free crap you want. Shut Up!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The majority of blacks did not ask to come here?!? Did someone force you to come here? I don’t think there’s a black person alive that was forced to come here! Your mother was responsible for your being here! No one else! It was here that she chose to have you and you’re damn lucky. If you think it’s so bad, try moving to Africa. I’m sure they’d let you in but if your think life is hard here, go try that out for a while. I’m tired of black people pulling out the sorry old excuses for why they are not successful or happy. The problems in the black communities cannot be solved by white people! So stop trying to blame others for your misfortunes. Until you decide that you’ve had enough and want to do something about it, stop pulling out the “race card”. There are a lot of injustices in this country and the world and they aren’t all aimed at black people!

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Nancy:
        Black Americans were forced here at Gun point during the era of slavery. Granted, just as many Black Africans were involved in the slave trade as White Europeans but black people were forced here. However, this the best country for us which i agree with!!

      • DaveH

        Nancy was talking about the current Black population — not their ancestors.

      • Windrinker

        Tony, no blacks are forced to live here! Do you know any that were forced to live here?

        I would be happy to have any or all of them leave…but, you can’t beat them off with a stick!

        What country could they go to get all their bills paid, their groceries bought, their medical care for free, their free cell phones, their free electronics, their cars, their big screen TVs and free housing. The government even uses our taxes to pay them good money to breed!

        Funny how immigrants come here and become successful, law-abidding citizens. They have to deal with a new culture and language. but they overcome it. What is wrong with the blacks? They are born here, speak the language, get free education (and everything else) and they are unable/unwilling to fend for themselves.

        One of the other posters made a good point. “The White people can’t solve the problems in the black community!”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        We did not commit those atrocities! I REFUSE to accept responsibility for what black and white people did over 200 years ago. I was not even alive then. And my ancestors were not even in this country yet! Not to mention that these atrocities were not committed against you! I’m am tired of the excuses and that one WON’T work! You are not being held here against your will and neither were your parents when they decided to conceive you and have you be born in this country. So stop with the bulls**t!!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Dear Nancy:
        You, like your misguided friends, miss my point entirely. I’m not saying that it’s “your fault”
        what happened in the past. Also, if you read my post carefully, i stated that this is the best
        country for all people regardless who they are. Next, it’s true Black people have to help themselves, there’s no if ands or buts about it. If other groups can come in and be successful, then the excuse jar has ran dry. However, people need to be allowed to help themselves. When gov. interfer this is the result. Now, try to comprehend better before flying off the handle. Thanks!! In addition, you should be so enamored with the Tea Party
        type for they’ll have people such as yourself bare-foot, pregnant, wearing an apron and back in the kitchen. In the meanwhile, they’ll try to have me back in the cotton field. Think about that for awhile before responding. TGIF!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        Another correction shouldn’t.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Tony, I will give you this: I believe that black people are being enslaved by welfare. The politicians give them just enough to keep them coming back for more but never enough to truly get by. Many of these people have been duped into thinking these politicians care about them. Welfare is just a way to keep you beholden and buy your votes. Then you’ve got Margaret Sanger and the likes, who created planned parenthood for the expressed purpose of eliminating the black race. The black people have been deluded into thinking that the only way they can make it is to take what they’re given or take whatever they want. Somehow, you’ve GOT to build real pride in your people. Parents need to take back their parenting from the schools and the government. Teach their children that pride and success come from hard work and not from the government. Fathers need to be fathers and teach their sons how to be men and how to treat their mothers and their wives. They need to teach their daughters that they have value and can do anything they set their minds to. As long as a black child learns that no one cares or that theyre doomed to fail, they will give up. These things can only be fixed by the black people in your famines and communities. Tell the government No thanks! Start with this generation of children!

    • Doug

      Well Michael if you are saying that white people made the black people become slaves and get on ships from Africa to America then you shoud be attacking your fore fathers because it was them who were more than willing to sell their own people for money. And if you are so against people becoming slaves what may I ask are you doing now to stop the slave trade still going on with black selling blacks into slavery?? And let me know just how long were you a slave during your life??? You know what you are a racist all cultures have experience slavery among their cultures. As from the movie I see Racist People any you Michael are one of them. I suggest you read up on MLK and find out what dignity is about and by the way Martin was a Republican because who knew that the Democrates are nothing but racist thier symbol should be the noose!

    • DaveH

      Michael Jay says — “I am so sick and tired of this Kangaroo Justice that everyone knows exist but the majority just ignores is since its not personal to them”.
      Yet he is happy to be an apologist to the Kangaroo Justice performed by the MSM against Zimmerman. Typical Liberal.

  • Michael

    Zimmerman has NOT been arrested – it is being investigated. The hated media is doing its job, just as you are doing yours by raising questions. You both have a right to do that. What it sounds like is that you want is for it to be swept under the rug which is hard to do when the media is paying attention. Sharpton and Jackson on the other hand do NOT want it to go away and that is their right and is probably the correct position for a system that favors white over black. As others have pointed out, if the dead boy had been white and the shooter black the shooter would now sitting in a jail cell with charges entered. That is the America we live in and Sharpton and Jackson are right to do what they can to get justice.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      BS. The media is not ‘doing its job’ when it alters evidence. Try that in court sometime and watch what happens. NBC is not in a position to simply ‘apologize’; they have done a great disservice to the citizens who listen to their ‘spin’ and they must suffer the consequence. It would be one thing to simply report the news but none of the msm has done that for quite some time. Instead, they ‘spin’ everything from crime reports to weather reports. Hell, when they say it’s raining, I look outside to make sure…I don’t trust the msm at all any more.

      • Flashy

        ABC did what FOX McNews does daily….

      • Flashy

        Excuse me..NBC

      • Windrinker

        Maybe there should be “an investigation” and a committee appointed to drag this News outlet over the coals….any News media that intentionally airs fraudulent information as “facts” should be in jeopardy of their license. That is what would be done to a “conservative outlet.”

        At least, they should have to announce themselves as “Biased and We Will Lie to Advance our Agenda” before every program that is broadcast.

      • Flashy

        “any News media that intentionally airs fraudulent information as “facts” should be in jeopardy of their license.”

        i agree…at least it would get Fox McNews off the air…

      • DaveH

        There is no “excuse” for you, Flashman.
        Flashman says — “ABC did what FOX McNews does daily”.
        Surely you don’t expect anybody to just take your word for anything, Flashman?
        How about some examples? It should be easy since FOX does it daily.

      • DaveH

        I have plenty of examples of your abberant behavior, Flashman. I would be happy to supply some for you.

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        ABC (he meant NBC) did what FOX McNews does daily….

        The problem with flashy is that his credibility is so low that his statement would tend to exonerate NBC. Were it not for the fact that NBC got caught lying.

        Flashy can not provide any evidence that FOX has done the same thing cause like Obama’s LFBC the evidence doesn’t exist.

    • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

      HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION? NBC edited out and constructed a false 911 tape; CBS fabricated a false recording story using garbled voices saying; “he is f—— coon” , when enhanced audio reveals Zimmerman saying; “it’s freaking cold”, ABC released a statement saying Zimmerman had no injuries and now has recanted saying he did have; what are you saying about the MSM doing their job, they are liars????

      • Average Joe

        Robert,
        I think the problem is that Liberals watch the News (term used loosely) and see these talking heads as Prophets who are preaching the great truths of the world as only they can know them. The words of these “Prophets” are regarded as “The Gospel Truth”.

        Conservatives on the other hand, view the News (again, used very loosely) as a “Story”wriiten by an organization…trying to sell a product….to be viewed as suspect at best and a complete fabrication at worst.

    • Laurie, Haslet, TX

      Sharpton and Jackson are nothing but opportunists. They only get involved when it BENEFITS them and fills their pockets with more money. That’s why they never address Black on Black crime – there is no PROFIT for them..

      This has never been about Trayvon, or JUSTICE – its about causing CHAOS and anarchy.

      Take a lesson from 1992 – MSM did the same thing with Rodney King – 53 INNOCENT people died as a result of those riots.

      Tawanna Brawley 7 INNOCENT people died as a result of those riots as well.

      When we FAIL to learn from past mistakes – we are DOOMED to repeat them

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If you don’t like the United States of America and the republican form of government, you are welcome to leave. I think we would certainly be better off without you. I would bet that most of the people visiting this site would gladly contribute some of their hard earned dollars to buy you and your friends one way tickets to Africa.

      • Flashy

        Actually CB…if you’re offering to buy my ticket to the South Pacific…i accept. i could use three or four weeks on a beach drinking spirits and living a hedonistic lifestyle.

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        If it were my money I’d send ya to Uganda, one way, you can find your own way home.

    • Windrinker

      That is crapola! The radicals, in or out of the MSM, will do or say anything to cause chaos!

      Where is the MSM outrage concerning the White boy that was doused with gasoline and set on fire by blacks! MSM didn’t report on it! They don’t report black on White crime!
      I heard about it on the Laura Ingram show, and she hadn’t heard MSM even casually refer to the story.

      Americans should be getting very sick of the MSM and their biases and their pushing the agenda of the biggest racist in this country..the one sitting in the oval office.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      The media’s job is to report news, not MAKE it!

    • old hillbilly

      Do you klike hoodies? Why not wear your hoodie & sun glasses next time you go to your bank?

    • TML

      Michael says, “The hated media is doing its job, just as you are doing yours by raising questions.”

      “According to the excerpt NBC broadcast, Zimmerman said, “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.””

      Here’s what was actually said:
      Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
      911 Dispatcher: “OK. And this guy, is he black, white or Hispanic?”
      Zimmerman: “He looks black.”

      Sorry Michael, but that is not what most people would consider as ‘doing their job’.

      • DocVenture

        You’re right TML, in fact…it looks like the MSM is guilty of libel/slander and should be held accountable! Let NBC and the other lamestream media companies know that misinformation and doctored audio transcripts will not cut it. Sue those dumb bastards! Their job is to report the facts, not “doctor’ the facts. Do Not Believe the Evil, Corrupt MSM!

      • Vicki

        Deliberate misinformation. Evidence being the doctored tapes. We can tolerate a little misinformation that is typical of trying to report an event in progress such as the mass shootings at that school in California.

        What we will NOT tolerate is doctoring evidence as NBC has done and hiding evidence as in the case of the freaking cold vs what was reported.

  • Marilyn

    Since George Soros owns MSM it should be obvious that they want a race war so that Obama can declare martial law. You cannot believe anything you hear on MSM anymore.

    • Michael

      Blah, blah, blah. You righties always trot out poor old George Soros as the source of all evil. You should seek professional help because you are clearly delusional.

      • Dntmkmecmoverther

        ..you must still be living in your mom’s basement. Why not get out and get a job? And get off those drugs, they make you post stupid comments with no basis in reality.

      • Michael

        Any mental health professional would conclude that people who have a need to demonize others and see conspiracies where none exist are suffering from paranoid delusions and need treatment. You can continue to cherish and cling to your lunatic theories and look for boogie men hiding under the bed but you are not normal if you do.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Your point is? Or are you here under duress? Reading the “righties” statements. You have proven that there are ignorant people, some might even call them stupid in this country, which is why there should be an intelligence test of all who try to vote.

      • lee

        Michael. George Soros doesnt even belong in this country. He is a billionair that wants to control the world. He should buy a country some where and stay there. Maybe he can take his idiot brother mayer Bloomberg of New York City with him, then they could have a gun free country. They are morons right along with the people that believe in them.Just think your own little perfect world.

      • mdbonjr

        Michael, you do realize that by your own definition, you have classified yourself as a paranoid delusional and are in need of treatment.

      • Shane

        Michael You pittiful little thing. In the scheme of things, Soro’s is not mentioned very much. Hardly ever. Most people don’t even know him, or if they do, know very little.

        But is discussing facts or opinions, it does not matter whom one chooses to use as an example. As long as there are some facts to support the mentioning or a reasoned assumption.

        Something that you Michael usuall failed to reach in your comments.

        Yeck. I’m glad not to be in your soft weak slimly skine.

      • DaveH

        Remember, mdbonjr, Michael is a Liberal. That was a little deep for him.

      • mdbonjr

        Touche Dave. I suppose that is my fault for my inability to present at an elementary level. ; )

    • nc

      Marilyn, what does that part of the media owned by Rupert Murdoch “want” as opposed to what Mr. Soros “wants’? Fair and balanced reporting like he has at Fox ‘NEWS”?

      • Windrinker

        You didn’t direct your comment to me, but If you don’t know the difference between a multi-Billionaire, Bilderberg, and private owner of the Federal Reserve Banks, an evil basturd that takes down the economies of entire countries, one that has stated that “it is time to take down the U.S”.,…as compared to inconsequential Rupert….don’t bother trying to assimilate facts..

    • Average Joe

      Marilyn has a valid point ….and here’s why
      1. Obama’s ratings are down in the polls.

      2. This is election season, and Obama needs the Black vote in order to even have a chance at re-election. Making this issue ( or any issue) about race accomplishes that goal…by rallying the black community.

      3. NDAA is now signed into law

      4. Panetta has already told congress that the military takes it’s orders from the UN and NATO…not from congress.

      5. In the event that the imposter in chief (IIC) is reelected, he sails into power unapposed and militarizes the nation further through drones,checkpoints, gun confiscation and rounding up of political dissidents ( to be placed in those non-existent FEMA camps.

      6. In the event that the imposter in chief does not get reelected, there will be race rioting throughout this nation within 24 hours, thereby allowing the IIC to institute martial law and…..militarizes the nation further through drones,checkpoints, gun confiscation and rounding up of political dissidents ( to be placed in those non-existent FEMA camps.

      Am I just being paranoid? I don’t think so, especially when you consider that DHS just ordered 450,000,000 (that’s 450 million) rounds of .40 cal. ammo…on an open ended contract…..along with 175 million rounds of .223 cal….which BTW is a NATO round.
      Is DHS worried about a terrorist invasion here…..or are we to be considered the terrorists?
      Time for real worry folks.

      The following is an excerpt from the official press release about this deal between ATK and the Department of Homeland Security….

      ATK announced that it is being awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) agreement from the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (DHS, ICE) for .40 caliber ammunition. This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds.

      ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. The special hollow point effectively passes through a variety of barriers and holds its jacket in the toughest conditions. HST is engineered for 100-percent weight retention, limits collateral damage, and avoids over-penetration.

      “We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, President of ATK’s Security and Sporting group.

      But this is not the only kind of ammo that the DHS is placing an order for.

      Business Insider is also reporting that the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to buy 175 million rifle ammunition rounds….

      We’ve also learned that the Department has an open bid for a stockpile of rifle ammo. Listed on the federal business opportunities network, they’re looking for up to 175 million rounds of .233 caliber ammo to be exact. The 223 is almost exactly the same round used by NATO forces, the 5.56 x 45mm.

      Keep your powder dry! We’re going to need it!

  • http://mozilla Robert E. Lee

    well they work for George Soros and Van Jones who HAVE the Imam in thw white house;; and Jones has already publicly stated ;”we must force the President to do what he knows is right”. dah

  • MrJay1

    Powder is definitely being kept dry. This is just one incident. The mass media has used erroneously. Sadly the Left which is full of Want and Ignorance is very dry kindling at this point, and NBC, CBS,ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NPR are all the matches.
    This will not end the way Libtards think or have been taught to expect if it explodes.

    The Powder is definitely dry.

  • dusterdog

    Every one that has been beaten because of this case should get a lawyer & sue the news medias that are responsible.

    • Allison

      Here Here dusterdog….I have been saying that all along….the media should be responsible for their irresponsibility and directly responsible for any deaths or injuries along with pain and suffering of any of us “lighter” folk in response to this matter. I think Rev Sharpton and Jackson also ought to be prosecuted for insighting riots and mayhem and incarcerated. I suppose we would need to make sure that the arresting officers would be of the same skin type or it would create even more problems. There is no way the triple K association would ever be allowed to come out and say anything like the Black Panthers have said either. If the triple K displayed a bounty wanted poster they would not be glorified in the media.

  • Moby49

    Chip you sound just like the pundits from the 60′s, when the newspapers covered civil rights marches and MLK speeches. Those pundits accused the media of trying to start race wars with their coverage and editorial demands that police brutality stop. They were distorting the truth then and you are doing it again.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Chip is not ‘distorting’ anything; he is laying out the truth. If you can’t see that then your sight is worse than Helen Keller’s. Don’t be a dupe!

    • Laurie, Haslet, TX

      What facts are being distorted. These are the facts. This entire media circus was staged and his Parents were probably PAID to USE THE DEATH OF THEIR SON for a political agenda..

      • Jim in NY

        Laurie what is your political agenda? – a son is killed and the one who pulled the trigger is not charged and that means nothing to you. Meanwhile you rant about the media (where do you get your facts) and the war on religion. You have your agenda

      • Vicki

        Jim in NY says:

        Laurie what is your political agenda? – a son is killed and the one who pulled the trigger is not charged and that means nothing to you.

        Lets see a bit more of the story. A healthy athletic young man is using a sidewalk to bash in the head of an older man. The older man shoots the younger man rather than dying himself. Why yes Jim, we notice that you have a political agenda.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      F.R.O. Get real. You are obviously a dupe or a comrade. Which is it?

    • Windrinker

      The truth has no meaning to any of you “way-out Lefties.” You have your own agenda and you try to reinvent the world in which you live.. regardless of reality.

      Seems to me that sounds like you and your ilk are a big group of Sociopaths.

      • Flashy

        Enlighten us Wind..what is the “truth” ?

      • Shane

        Flashy. The truth is whatever bias you wish it to be.

        Good enough for you Flashy.

        Now go brush your teeth and get dressed.

      • DaveH

        Flashman thought you were calling him, Windrinker, when you mentioned Sociopath.

      • Flashy

        As usual, DaveH..you are wrong.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, how so is Dave’s comment wrong…enlighten us please?
        If it quacks like a duck…it is…you know the rest!

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        Enlighten us Wind..what is the “truth” ?

        ——————————————————————————————————-
        1a archaic : fidelity, constancy b : sincerity in action, character, and utterance
        2a (1) : the state of being the case : fact
        (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality
        (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
        b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true
        c : the body of true statements and propositions
        3a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality
        b chiefly British : true 2
        c : fidelity to an original or to a standard
        4 capitalized Christian Science : god
        ——————————————————————————————————-

        For the purpose of this discussion 2a (1,2), 2c and 3a are probably the best fit.

    • eddie47d

      Great point Moby49 although it went over the heads of a few. They don’t want fairness anymore than Al Sharpton does!

    • DaveH

      Okay, Moby, let’s get down to specifics. What did Chip say that was untrue?

      • Flashy

        Untrue or undisputed?

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:

        Untrue or undisputed?

        Either. Be sure to show your work.

    • newspooner

      I bet you voted for Obama to prove that you weren’t a racist. Next time, vote for somebody else to prove that you aren’t stupid.

  • http://jeromeennis.wordpress.com jeromeennis

    Of course the media wants a race war and a class war. The media is doing the work of the Obama Campaign 2012. Obama has spent his first 3 and one half years in office stirring up class and race war fare, and now that the election is coming closer and closer, the media is stepping up the Obama Mantra of Class and Racial Warfare. This is is his only Position and the Media is nothing but a Propaganda Machine using so-called News Outlets to Stoke the Flames for the Obama Campaign of Error and Terror, if necessary. Obama and the Media want him to win at any and all costs, incuding a bloody war in the streets if necessary. The sooner people realize this, the better.

    • Joe Carrier

      is it possible that Obama wants a race war so he can suspend the constitution? then declair marshall law and totally disregard the constitution and start arresting people that dis agree with his politics?? and to send in our own troops to disarms uS ?? think about it this has happened in history and histroy has a tendency to repeat itself ! DO NOT say it cant happend hear< just look at obama care which was forced on us! Obama just recently sign a bill that gives him this power in case of an emergency!

    • working man

      You are right, jero….this is just the beginning. Wait till
      Aug/Sept, then things will start heating up in terms of racist
      claims. Obamma would love to have martial law declared arround
      Oct…just in time to make sure that he will get his 2nd term.

      Don’t blame me….I voted for the old dude and the hot chick.

      • DaveH

        And that is a large part of our problem — voting for the lesser of two evils.
        We need to stop voting for the Establishment-picked Big Government Lovers and start voting for Politicians with Principles like Ron Paul or the Libertarian Candidate. Until we do, we will continue to get ever-larger Government that takes more of our money (42% already) and takes more of our Freedom (what little we have left).
        http://libertarianparty.org/

      • dave

        to Dave H couldn’t of said it better Ron Paul is the last hope for American Life as we know it..

      • Vicki

        42%? The federal government alone USED to take 94%. Well that was the marginal rate.
        http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

        Of course crony capitalist people never really spent that much what with all the complex deductions and all.

      • DaveH

        I’m referring to Government (Federal, State, and Local) Spending 42% of the GDP, Vicki.
        In the late 19th Century Government spent less than 5% of the GDP. And somehow our ancestors managed just fine.

      • newspooner

        Always vote for the best candidate, even if you think he can’t win. Voting for the lesser of two evils is a failing strategy.

    • Warrior

      Come on everyone. Join me in a chorus of…… And it’s One, Two, Three, Four, what are we fighting for………. Don’t know and don’t give a damn….. next stop is………

      Fill in your favorite cause.

      • Vicki

        Where are we going and why are we riding in a hand basket anyway?

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      To be effective, commuity organizers need to promote and push inequality and class warefare…classic Marxism 101.

      We Are Heroes, Who Need to Create a Crisis: SEIU’s Stephen Lerner at Progressive Summit Tells Unions, Community Organizers and Students They Need to Escalate Protests, Break Laws, Occupy Abandoned Houses and Spread the Crisis All Over U.S.
      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-are-heroes-who-need-to-create-a-crisis-seiu-stephen-lerner-at-progressive-summit-tells-unions-community-organizers-and-students-they-need-to-escalate-protests-break-laws-occupy-abandon-houses/

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        FYI…the current occupant in the White House(of shame)is an Alinsky trained community organizer.

  • Vicki

    “As it turns out, Zimmerman did utter those words. But the clever editors at NBC left out some incredibly important dialogue that occurred between the two sentences.”

    Clever and criminally negligent. In fact most of how the MSM as portrayed this incident shows a callous disregard for truth or justice. And so many (mostly liberals) have gone out of their way to help.

    Oh and I did not see Chip mention the audio where Zimmerman says “F***ing COLD” but the initial reports said that Zimmerman said coon.

    So lets see.

    1. Photos of an 11 year old shown as though that was Mr Martin the day of the death.
    2. Photos of Zimmerman at less than his best
    3. Deciding that the word cold is coon in a noisy recording.
    4. Criminally removing essential parts of the 911 transcripts
    5. Poor quality video shown to portray Zimmerman as totally untouched after the incident.
    6. Publishing all the hate speech from people like Jessie, Al, Spike et all. Oh wait.
    its not hate speech of the guys with the great suntans are saying it.

    And the MSM wonders why they have become irrelevant. Or maybe that is EXACTLY why they are writing stuff that would make the National Enquirer look like Readers Digest.

    Were I a lawyers I would be offering my services to Mr Zimmerman. Looks like at the very least he can own his very own Television Network.

    • Vicki
    • eddie47d

      I thought those on the right didn’t like lawyers yet Vickie will rush to Zimmerman’s defense even though he could also be of questionable character.

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d’s mistake is confusing conservatives with his distorted view of “the right”. He will probably never bother to look but here is a little video for the rest of you to see the difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vicki, surprised? Why just a few days ago eddie was telling another poster not to buy into that left/right “thang”. OOPS, in that same thread he failed to heed his own advice…imagine that!

    • uvuvuv

      that isn’t the only case of “editting” in history. thomas jefferson wrote these words, “we hold these truths to be self evident, all mean are created equal.” and now here’s the rest of the story: “except for blacks.” i read this biography of alexander hamilton, i don’t want to get up and see how the author is but you would recognize him, but in it, it said that jefferson wanted every new state admitted to the union to be a slave state. was it the missouri compromise that said each state would decide for itself? i honestly don’t know. but as each territory neared statehood there were raging “pre” civil wars as the pro-slave democrats fought the anti-slave republicans. at first abraham lincoln was a whig, and their platform was let the status quo continue. well this new political party that was founded in ripon wisconsin said no, no slaves period anywhere, and they drafted abraham lincoln against his objections. but the whigs converted en masse to the new republican party, they nominated abraham lincoln and the civil war was on. interestingly i read that the blacks were vehemently repub in their sympathies and voting until richard nixon named spiro agnew as his running mate. this might have been in the making of the president 1968 by theodore white, but more likely his 1964 book about johnson..

      • TML

        uvuvuv says, “hat isn’t the only case of “editting” in history. thomas jefferson wrote these words, “we hold these truths to be self evident, all mean are created equal.” and now here’s the rest of the story: “except for blacks.” i read this biography of alexander hamilton, i don’t want to get up and see how the author is but you would recognize him, but in it, it said that jefferson wanted every new state admitted to the union to be a slave state. was it the missouri compromise that said each state would decide for itself?”

        Not only is that NOT a case of editing, but you really should learn your history, rather than now trying to defame one of the greatest Presidents and Founder of this country.

        Thomas Jefferson was a consistent opponent of slavery throughout his life. He considered it contrary to the laws of nature that decreed that everyone had a right to personal liberty. He called the institution an “abominable crime,” a “moral depravity,” a “hideous blot,” and a “fatal stain” that deformed “what nature had bestowed on us of her fairest gifts.”

        Early in his political career Jefferson took actions that he hoped would end in slavery’s abolition. He drafted the Virginia law of 1778 prohibiting the importation of enslaved Africans. In 1784 he proposed an ordinance banning slavery in the new territories of the Northwest. From the mid-1770s he advocated a plan of gradual emancipation, by which all born into slavery after a certain date would be declared free.

      • daniel

        TML is correct in what he says about Jefferson. I have his letters at home here. Yes, Lincoln would have allowed slavery to continue if it would have meant keeping the Union together. However did you notice that slavery was still in effect in the North during the War and that the Emancipation Proclamation affected only those states in rebellion? It seems the Yankees were a bit on the racist side too. Bout time for it too stop on all sides don’t you think?

      • PendragonRise

        Thank you TML, you beat me to do the punch in correcting this misguided individual. To avoid sharing ignorance of history, wisdom strongly suggests that you take the time to do your homework and seriously study the truth about the past, uvuvuv. It’s a great feeling to speak with historical knowledge than to suffer humiliation through the furnace of unfounded pride.

    • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

      Way to go vicky, Idont think the lefties will ever wake up , By the way my last post was meant for all those giving the race baiters their support, not meant for you,,,,,

      • Vicki

        Noted and thanks.

    • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

      eddie, if “if’s, and’s or but’s and would’a, could’a, should’a” could be used in a court of law…you might be able to replace Eric Holder as Attorney General. BUT, and it’s a very big “BUT”, it don’t work that way in real life…unless you’re a liberal!

      • absolutely amazed

        One of the most interesting rumors that has been circulating is that Cheney’s transplanted heart was from a young Kenyan man who was the victim of gang warfare in DC. It is only a rumor, but . . . . that’s about as good as anything else being tossed back and forth these days as truth or fiction. Have any of the rest of you heard this particular story?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        aa, not the least bit interested!

  • s c

    Interesting stuff. So we no longer need due process. Do we need any laws? Are lawyers necessary?
    As for whether or not the media gods want a race war, it seems they do. Time to bring our military home, people. When there’s no difference between street thug justice and those who are supposedly running the government, something is worse than wrong.
    Maybe the ‘stuff’ has finally hit the nation’s fan, and we’re simply waiting for the next example of ‘justice is a mere word.’ Forget social justice. Interesting times are headed this way, folks. Time to get off the train tracks.

    • Warrior

      Also, in case everyone has not been made aware, there is another “war” starting up that I found out about this morning on c-span. It’s “the war on women”. It wasn’t quite clear who’s at odds but it sounded like debbie blabbermouth schultz has some lead role on one of the sides. There were all sorts of “lef”tenants calling in describing the horrific battle casualties. I’m not positive what exactly the issues are but through the garbled messages I could make out words “reproductive” and “rights”.

      I hope this isn’t similiar to that conflict in Libya. “Duck”!

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        No there is no “War on Women”. Its actually the Democrats WAR ON RELIGION.
        As usual – the Dems call it the “War on Women” and the Republicans are at fault. Its OBAMACARE mandate that religious organizations provide birth control in spite of their moral objections to it.

        Anything to stir up hatred

      • Sirian

        Similar to Libya Warrior? NATO forces in the streets to defend women’s reproductive rights? LOL!!! All women have to do is keep their legs together, not spread wide open. LOL!!! Better yet, spread “Super Glide” all over the streets and the NATO forces would sure as hell have a “slippery slope” to deal with. LOL!!!

      • eddie47d

        The Right also has it’s race baiters or have you forgotten Breitbart’s Sherrod video. There are plenty of despicable poke in the eye folks with their own agenda. Since everything in today’s article has been brought up several times over the last few days it seems like those near and dear are adding an extra helping to this contentious issue. Did any of you even care about that 6 year old girl or is that now only conveniently being used for your own fodder.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Sirian, you’re being disgusting! I don’t think that taxpayers should be funding bc but it takes two to tango. Women aren’t the only ones being irresponsible. What you’re saying is just plain disrespectful to women. I don’t hear you slamming the men that these women are having sex with. Besides, this topic doesn’t have anything to do with that. You just feel like bashing women today?

      • Warrior

        Quite possibly, if more were “productive” the reproductive would take care of self.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        LOL! Warrior!! You got that sh!t right!!! Shakespeare wrote that, “Hell hath no fury…” the poor dude, God rest his soul, didn’t have a clue! RUN FOR COVER GUYS!!! With “Blabbermouth” (I love that, by the way!) leading the charge, OMG! I pray that someone’s gotta a whole lota MIdol!!! Every time I see her, Debbie that is, I think of that dog in “Men In Black”! I don’t know what it is, that hair-lip, the fact that she’s the DNC attack dog or what?!!

      • Vic

        Nancy, you are wrong. You’re forgetting or ignoring biological roles of men and women. Men and women are not equal, contrary to what commies want you to believe, men’s biological role is to court and push, while women’s role is to select and consent (or not). By that very basic biological premise, the man who’s getting the most partners has the best chance to procreate and to ensure his bloodline goes into the future, while woman who select the best man in a sense of genetic features and in the sense of being reliable future partner and protector of the family, has the best chance in the biological sense.

        So, it’s a woman who’s responsible for a final decision and has a final word. Sirian is 100% right on that.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Over and over eddie puts his ignorance up front for all to see. eddie says “The Right also has it’s race baiters or have you forgotten Breitbart’s Sherrod video.” Then he has the gall to mis-speak again about the 6 y/o girl that was murdered.

        Have you even the ability to think anything you say all the way through or are you really just plain stupid? At least everyone understands “falsy’s” Alinsky game playing…with you it’s obviously sheer ignorance.

        eddie, how can that be construed as “race baiting”? The fact is that Andrew Breitbart and Big Government’s released video clearly showed former Ag employee Shirley Sherrod admitting that she did not assist a poor farmer as much as she could have because of his “attitude” and race. You know the rest of the story. She said it was years ago, she said she learned from her experiences, she said blah-blah-blah… The democratic-media complex slammed Andrew Breitbart and FOX News for showing only a segment from her speech.

        What the MSM Won’t Show You From Shirley Sherrod’s Hate Speech – This video reveals the buried racist remarks from the rest of Sherrod’s NAACP speech.
        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/07/shocking-video-what-the-msm-wont-show-you-from-shirley-sherrods-outrageous-speech/

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Vic, you’re full of crap! You just put human beings on the same level as a dog! I hate to disappoint you but we were given a higher order of thinking than dogs. Some guys just aren’t responsible and want to blame somebody else for their behavior. You have a brain. You can figure out what will happen if you go screwing around with anyone who will let you. Take responsibility for your own behavior. (unless you’re saying that women have highly superior intellect and you guys are just too stupid to control yourselves.).

      • Kate8

        JeffH – You are right. What eddie ignores is that the MSM underplayed the racist aspect of the Sherrod debacle.

        Breitbart didn’t edit her speech to make it look like something it wasn’t. They MSM only does that to white folks (or someone like Zimmerman, whom they’ve made token white for purposes of convenience).

        The Left is working blacks up into a blather in an attempt to launch race wars. It’s like they’ve gotten the A-okay to carry out their anger on whites, even if they are just minding their own business. Obama has made a point of making it clear that he represents Black America, HIS people, rather that the country as a whole.

        This is a frantic effort by the Left to cause the nation to erupt into pandemonium. They know that more and more of us are on to what they are doing, and that we’re very close to stopping them. They have to create insanity in any way they can, and this is one of the ways.

        The best thing we can do is to see through it all and keep calm. We’ll need our energy and our wits when the time comes.

      • eddie47d

        Kate the racial issue in Breitbart’s video was stirred up by him. Sherrod strictly was trying to make a point and she made it clear she would help that farmer as your buddy Jeff is trying to twist around. Why would you say MSN underplayed the issue when there wasn’t one. Those on the right are responsible for stirring up that issue and Breitbart lead the charge.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Great analysis Kate8!!! And watch for even more desperate attempts to create a crisis in the days to come as their window of opportunity closes on their vison tighter and tighter! I pray that everyone is ready for what could happen! It might not be pretty!!!

    • Flashy

      “But I can’t remember a time when the media were so eager to give nationwide publicity to every vicious lie and racist accusation.”

      Then someone has a short memory. The debates on the health care reform act being a prime example of media run amok when every lie and false reading was hyped as ‘truth’.

      Fact is fact…from the time newspapers were first printed and sold on the street corner, the Rule of Thumb was “if it bleeds, it leads”. The Trayvon/Zimmerman situation wouldn’t get past the boundaries of Florida if not for today’s media being in every household everywhere. i mean, in all seriousness, why do I…on the West Coast, have to be treated as if a crime or incident in say …Delaware, was in my backyard/ it warps the perception when in a nation this large and complex…one is constantly inundated with far away events made to seem localized.

      Be that as it may…we know for certain

      1. Zimmerman was a self appointed community cop with a history of aggressiveness and an insecurity streak compensated by a macho stance.
      2. Martin was known in the area, and the area is not exclusive as to race.
      3. Zimmerman stalked Martin and ignored police instructions to back off
      4. No one saw the confrontation
      5. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin.

      it was not a self defense situation with any story until Zimmerman created a confrontation. And yes, he created it. He stalked the kid and ignored directions not to. He was armed and this probably emphasized his “macho’ Clint Eastwood hero fantasies. And the insane law allowing someone to kill if they “thought” they were in danger is…as i said…insane.

      Everything else is so screwed up by shoddy police work and failures. No preservation of evidence. No lab work, no forensics.

      And i agree…on both sides the media is out of control.

      What i am surprised at is the local authorities haven’t done anything to calm the situation and keep a lid on it. And such would be easy.

      Arrest Zimmerman and charge him with manslaughter. Easy. it won’t do Zimmerman harm. It takes the evidence out of the public purview. it satisfies the cries for justice. And…most importantly … it gives time to let the emotions cam down and time to straighten out the facts.

      • Warrior

        And while the mob is frothing, why don’t we drag some of those doj people out in the street as well. You know, the geniuses who were running guns. Whadda say bucko?

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        Please stop parroting the Mis-information. Those are NOT FACTS at all.
        This is exactly what the article addresses . LIES AND MIS-INFORMATION and you seem to believe it.

        THAT’S THE PROBLEM -I have heard and read a lot of opinions where the FACTS are completely ignored and only the MSM lies are considered to be true.

        THEY ARE OUT AND OUT LIES.. You need to learn NOT TO TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!

      • hipshotpercusion

        Not according to the evidence flashy. also there are the pesky eye witnesses, or did you forget that?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        You have outdone yourself< proving that you are totally ignorant fool. You would get punched out if you spewed such lies in any public forum where I live.

      • Windrinker

        As usual Flashy you have gotten your so-called “facts” backward! (Funny how that always happens.)

        Zimmerman was attacked from behind! IF some “retard” jumps me from behind and smashes my face into the concrete….the retard is going to get exactly what he deserves!

      • Flashy

        There were NO eye witnesses..and as the follow up posts show, there is no clear story with rumors and agendas being played both sides.

        Jeesh …

        OK..you disagree? What did i spell out that is disputed? What more is there to add that is not disputed? And if you were the county official in charge, what is the solution to calm the frenzy down?

        C’mon hot shots….walk the talk.

      • Flashy

        Wind..i wrote there was a confrontation. NO ONE knows at this time if Zimmerman’s tale of being attacked from behind is true or not.

      • Flashy

        hotshot…ok..what is the undisputed evidence? Key word…undisputed. And there are no ‘eyewitnesses”….only after the fact …

      • redfray

        You left out the witness. Was the witness white or black? You “flashy” are the judges and jury. You want justic before hearing all the facts? Didn’t the citizens of jerusalem do a person the same way you are doing this case? Maybe we should split America down the middle, put the whites on one side, and the blacks on the other side. Neither side can cross over to the other side. What about the half whites and half blacks, ship them to a foreign country, there not true bloods. This might stop a war?

      • mdbonjr

        Since all of you beat me to it, all I can add is simply this. Your attempts at obfuscation are not impressive Flashy. Ignoring the facts changes ignorance to idiocy. Do you actually enjoy being on the side of the willful, blind and obedient ignorant Flashy? Like lambs being led to slaughter, tsk tsk.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        Flashy how do you know these facts? I am up to date as much as you are on all this BS the media is spreading, but all is speculation. Everybody just SHUT UP I am so tired of all this BS all the time. People die and that is a fact we can all agree with. Yes it is tragic but it is life and death. If it was my kid or your kid it would be forgotten tomorrow, just shut up.

      • Flashy

        LOL…then my point is amply proven…even the barest of timeline events is in dispute. Noted though that although everyone is saying i have the bare event timeline wrong…no one can correct it, and any additions are areas which are disputed.

        And…this is no surprise…no one has a suggestion or opinion on how to diffuse the situation if they were the local officials.

        Easy to be armchair quarterbacks criticizing because you want to bitch and complain…difficult to think the situation through and not be victim to what you are complaining about … media bias.

      • Karolyn

        Capitalist – Why do your have to insert “punching” into this? Is violence the answer to everything for you?

      • eddie47d

        So many like MDBONJR have allowed the Glenn Beck’s to repeated falsify stories to meet his own criteria. Did you ever call Beck out for his misleading and hateful images to enhance his program. You need to realize that the FOX network is also a part of the main stream media that you lamblast

      • paul

        You dont have your facts straight.He has an eye witness of the account that also called 911 an the only thing that the prosecution has is hear say from a mad girlfriend that claims she was on the phone with him. all you have is one side of the story .

      • Brad

        Flashy,

        It’s hard to dispute “eye” witness accounts, maybe you should rewatch this news broadcast; http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

        You may live on the left coast, it doesn’t give the right to judge another without all pertinent information. You have already judged and convicted Mr. Zimmerman in the arena of public opinion and the lame stream medias cover up of information. Are we headed into a full blown out race war, it sure looks like it all due to Al “The Rev” Sharptons race baiting to include Spike Lee’s tweets and then tweeting the wrong address. Please take a back seat and let the authorities do their job.

      • Flashy

        Brad….there may or may not have been eyewitnesses. And what these “claimed eyewtinesses” are saying are so opposite that i would say that is in dispute.

        I’m not judging…I have an opinion, but not judgment.

        As i suggested…would not the safest and quickest way to diffuse everything is arrest and charge Zimmerman and let time calm the fires? if Zimmerman is guilty, it will eventually come out. If he was not guilty, then that also will come out. But it won’t harm Zimmerman and may, in fact, raise his safety level.

        “Alexander Abad-Santos 2,834 Views Mar 30, 2012

        An eyewitness to Trayvon Martin’s killing appeared on Anderson Cooper’s AC360 on CNN last night and said that George Zimmerman appeared to walk away from the scuffle uninjured but, “very worried,” casting more doubt on Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.”

      • Shane

        Flashy. Shouldn’t you be out doing something, rather than living out your life on this site and others? I will agree that you are right some of the time, kind of like those jokers that keep on trying to win the oversized bear at the fair. Pay enough or play enough, everyone wins.

        Now to my point.

        This issue does not involve “stand your ground.” But may involve “self defense.” That will be up to the authorities or a jury. Not someone that wears their p.j.’s till lunch while they blog incincessantly

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        The only thing we know for certain on this board is that you have no credibility.
        Ask me to prove it, Flashman.
        So how about you post some references to back up your conjecture.

      • Shane

        Karolyn. Gee you are a moral deficient. Your comment to Capitalist about punching, is just plain childish. Kind of like reading the riot list to a local jay walker on a slow Sunday afternoon. While ignoring the visible felonious and villainous actions of others in plain view.

        Very revealing what you, Karolyn, takes to be important.

      • Windrinker

        Flashy, did I spoil your day! You always make up your own “facts” to support whatever point you want to make.

        There were witnesses! “Tryiton” was sitting on Zimmerman whacking the crap out of him!
        Another said that “Tryiton” jumped Zimmerman from behind as he was going to his car! Regardless, Zimmerman has a broken nose, lacerations, and a concusion! If someone was sitting on me giving me a broken nose, you better believe that I would do my best to get that flocker off, whatever it took.

        Maybe some of these black attitudes will decide that it might not be safe to attack people and try to do “damage.” The racist here was “Tryiton.” He had no reason to attack this man going to his car. The police are well-aware of and deal with these young black attitudes everyday.

        Another convenient thing you left out is that “Tryiton” was found to have “lots of jewelry and watches” on his “person.” The authorities are thinking that these are stolen items.

        “Tryiton” had no business creeping around a gated-neighborhood where he did not live, at 3 AM in the morning..”

      • Rick

        The main thing is the police always say to stop. They are not there and IF some one was robbed or hurt by a person that was earlier seen the the people want his head for NOT doing something. We all know the police will arrive in time to do a report.
        This neigborhood had been robbed 8 times.

      • John Wilch (TSgt, USAF Ret.)

        Flashy, are you infavor of mob justice? You must think the the New Panthers (racist to the core) organization is doing right by offering the bounty on Zimmerman (Dead or Alive). I just wish that cooler heads would prevail. Oh, yeah, Obummer, needs to keep his bloody nose out of it. Better yet he needs to go on vacation (a perminate one)!

      • Flashy

        Wind…i’d say what your rendition is would be characterized as ‘hotly disputed’.

        So..undisputed facts. That was my point. Heck…even stating five basics is getting heat. From the heat on just giving a plain brief event timeline, I’d say if i wrote the only thing undisputed was someone was killed would be lashed out on.

        Basic and plain…if you are going to say i erred in stating the undisputed facts, correct it. The key word is undisputed. Everything else is distorted by BOTH sides of the media.

        next…what will diffuse the situation? i say arrest Zimmerman, charge him, set him loose on bail. Let time diffuse the situation. Besides…it would most likely be best for Zimmerman as until he does have a chance to clear up what went on, he’ll be branded if he is innocent. And he has to face a civil trial in any event.

      • TML

        Flashy says, “I’m not judging…I have an opinion, but not judgment.”

        Yet Flashy initially says, “it was not a self defense situation with any story until Zimmerman created a confrontation.”

        That is a judgment Flashy

      • Chief

        Flashy: It seemsd as though you have all the answers.I have some questions(1) was you there? (2)do you think people should be jailed then investigate for wrong doing?(do you have any facts that can be substantuated or just adding to the story? I for one would rather leave this matter to the authorities who are trained to investigate matters like this I am not. and I certainly think a person should be considered innocent until proven guilty and if they are guilty then lock them up not just throw them behind bars then decide if they did anything wrong. This is just my opinion.

      • emjay98

        And just where did you get the facts? As far as i have heard, there has been no real disclosure of the facts. Let’s at least wait to see what the facts are. Then let the chips fall where they may! The police have a better chance of knowing the facts from their telephone conversation with Zimmerman, and his physical condition. The medics who attended Zimmerman can tell what, if anything, they treated him for.

      • Wyatt

        Wow ” Flasher ” , you talk like you were there and witnessed the entire event . If that is the case , perhaps you should march yourself down to the Police Station and give evidence as to your ” eyewitness ” information . If not , then perhaps you should keep yous opinions to yourself and stop trying to incite mob violence . There are enough morons and idiots running around making this sad incident into political statement or attempting too . Stick to what you know , not what you assume and think you know from the inaccurate and biased news reports from the lame stream media .

      • JustSomeThoughts

        Flashy, what you write as “facts” regarding Zimmerman are also in dispute. Other reports say after his 911 call, he returned to his van. According to those same reports it was there Trayvon followed him and punched him in the face. Zimmerman was then thrown to the ground and cried for help. PLEASE, a hardline prosecuting attorney has been assigned to lead that investigation and no one should suspect they will go “easy” on Zimmerman should he be culpable. Let’s let those who are up-close with the true facts do their investigation, wait for those findings and in the meantime not participate in a “call” to riot. Class warfare, based on race, gender, socio-economic status, anything… is one of the ten planks of communism. Do yourself a favor and don’t believe me. Read the Communist Manifesto. You will better understand what is happening in this country. The “mishandling” of the reporting of this case is not shoddy journalism by some junior, “wet behind the ears” reporters. It’s intentional. Let’s not walk through their calculated “droppings” and spread it everywhere. It’s a stinking, potentially very dis-eased bearing mess, that could infect a nation.

      • AZ-Ike

        Flashy,

        Arrest Zimmeran; it won’t do him any harm?
        What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
        Since when do police arrest first and investigate later?
        An arrest record stays with a person for his remaining life. It affects every action that individual will take and others’ perception of him.

        Why is it OK to accept as truth the admittedly fabricated reports and pictures from ABC, NBC, and CNN, but totally discount the statements of Zimmerman?

        Why have no arrests made of the black panthers who placed a bounty on Zimmerman’s life? Why wasn’t Spike Lee arrested for releasing an address at which Zimmerman could supposedly be found—with the strong implication that unlawful individuals should ‘go and get him to administer their own brand of justice’?

        If we had a Department of Justice that was concerned with the law, criminal charges would be filed against the media networks, Sharpton, Jackson, Lee and the Black Panthers. Unfortunately Holder and the DOJ are as corrupt as any law enforcement agency can become.

        Chip is right. The media are engaged in race-baiting in the hopes of escalation into a ‘race war. This is just another prelude to the long hot summer to come in which race riots and OWS riots will give Obama the crisis opportunity to impose martial law. And, you know Obama, he never lets a good crisis go to waste!

        I don’t know about you, but I live in America, a country governed by a ‘constitutional rule of law’ and I won’t let the despotic ‘elitist rulers,’ aided by the criminal media trash the laws that guarantee my rights. If you don’t like it, get the h@## out of my country!

      • bill w

        and last of all, you are just another left wing hack that obviously doesnt know the facts of what happened. even after reading them in this article. typical liberal.

      • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

        There are so many of those like yourself that try to sound as though you were there at the scene and saw every thing as it was. . You have no more idea what took place than my old fido dog. This has brought out the lowest of the lowdown dumbshttts that could be exposed for what they really are.. Not one of these defenders of ( the poor little child) know any more now than they did after the first day of the incident. If our neighborhood watch volinteer didnt shoot some prowler in the middle of the night that had no buisness there ,,he would be answering to the neighborhood he was supposed to be protecting.. That is the lamest defence for someone ,in the middle of the night , in swealtering weather with a hoodie. as any thing you could imagine… Try a new lamebrained excuse, that one wont fly…..

      • Charles

        Oh, I forgot, not only the news medias, but there are a lot of idiots as well and YOU sound just like one.

      • Average Joe

        Every man is a damn fool for at least five minutes every day; wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit.
        Elbert Hubbard

        Me thinks Flashy has eceeded his lifetime supply (and still no wisdom),,,,,,,,many times over…just saying…..

      • Donna Sangsiri

        I live in Thailand and before I had enough brains to figure out the Internet I only got what news on the u.s from the local newspaper. For a really long time it’s articles were leaning in the left direction. But after reading what’s going on now with this black kid is like something from looney tunes . It seems to me that Obama knows he is looking good in the eyes of the nation and is really really worried about losing a lot of the black vote. So what’s the solution ? Let’s have a race war. Works every time. I don’t know maybe I’m wrong. It’s the same with the Fluke witch. Let’s see if we can piss the women off and we can wrap this election up. Some of you men need to lighten up about the women. During the 60′s we were brain washed with the help of the media we so have learned to hate. By making stupid women jokes your just falling right into the hands of all the lefties. Besides Obama and his buddies eat that sh– up when we stab each other in the back. V/R – Donna

      • Flashy

        nope..i wasn’t there. And neither was anyone posting here today. makes one wonder how you may make assertions but yet slam me for trying to a) list the undisputed facts; and b) give an opinion as what might be a solution to calm the tempest.

        I believe Brad stated

        Arrest Zimmeran; it won’t do him any harm?
        What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
        Since when do police arrest first and investigate later?

        1. No…it wouldn’t do him more harm than what is now. Yes, an arrest record may be for his lifetime, but he’s already painted for life unless the whole thing gets straightened out and judged within the formal legal system.
        2. An arrest does not connotate guilt. It means there MAY have been a crime committed. I’d say anytime someone dies as a result of a gunshot…there is enough for an arrest, then to investigate and take time to sort out the real situation before proceeding to indictment and trial phases. By not arresting Zimmerman, there is argument that Martin has been tried and proven guilty de facto without benefit of having a day to clear his name.
        3. All the time. It’s a very common instance.

      • http://DotheMediawantaracewar. John Wyatt

        There is not a “war on women.” The war is on religious freedom and keeping the other freedoms we have through the Constitution. The Catholic Church can’t change its position on Birth Control since the apostles and Didache from the early church that Christ founded and said He would be with till the end of the Age stated Birth Control was wrong. Plus the Pill Kills babies and women. Every woman who uses Birth Control kills many of her children unknowingly. “Thou Shalt not Kill.” Killing of embryos (that grow into adults) which God has created and set a plan for this baby’s life is very wrong. It is not whether you favor birth control or not the issue is setting precedents that will take away our freedoms. We are Americans with freedoms that many fought and died from. Don’t let Obama and our representatives make their past efforts and deaths in vain.

      • http://msn lilstinker1962

        if i could i would like to say something…what about the black guys that just burt that white boy in fl…i think its ok for blacks to hurt us whites..we never stick up for are selfs….. if we try then thats when sh– hits the fan..

      • Misda

        Flashy you try & stir things up all the time. Are you seeing how many replies you can get, do you really believe half the crap you write?

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Misda – has stated this is part of his job – so I’m guessing he’s paid in piecework fashion.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Falsy, rather than continue spouting your intended mis-information…we already know Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman…why don’t you read the actual Sanford police report.

        The report, filed by Sanford police officer Ricardo Ayala and published online Tuesday by the Chicago Tribune, indicates that there were at least six witnesses — three men and three women — who saw or heard some part of the events that led to Martin’s death. They ranged in age from 19 to 56.

        Zimmerman was in custody when Ofc. Ayala arrived on scene. Officer Timothy Smith, in his written report, notes that “Zimmerman complied with all my commands and was secured in handcuffs.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid. I oberved that Zimmerman’s back was wet and covered with grass…Zimmerman was also bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.”

        Once Zimmerman was cleared by the [Sanford Fire Department], he was transported to the Sanford Police Department.”

        “Zimmerman was placed in an interview room at [Sanford Police Department], where he was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton.”

        The police reposrt can be seen and read right here:
        http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/27/police-incident-report-fills-in-details-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

      • mdbonjr

        eddie47d says:
        April 6, 2012 at 8:47 am
        So many like MDBONJR have allowed the Glenn Beck’s to repeated falsify stories to meet his own criteria. Did you ever call Beck out for his misleading and hateful images to enhance his program. You need to realize that the FOX network is also a part of the main stream media that you lamblast

        Nice try Eddie. This is a clear cut and defining representation of why I believe liberalism is a mental disorder. You presume to know where, what, how and why I formulate my opinions. You then go on to presume what actions I do or do not take based on my opinions. Based on your presumptions, you try to convict me of being unaware of certain realities. You sir or madam (you never know these days), exemplify the very nature which has progressed this tragedy to the overblown monstrosity it has now become. If and when this comes to a head, I truly hope you will reflect deeply upon your ideology and realize that it is the poison creating the slow and painful death of my home, The United States of America. I can assure you, America will not die easily!

      • Rick

        What has Beck lied about? Facts not blind or wishful thinking.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        mdbonjr, you’re right…you just can’t fix stupid!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

      • mdbonjr

        Amen Jeff.

      • RichE

        Flashy,
        I disagree with #3. It’s not known if Zimmerman was stalking or watching. He was a neighbor watch person. As to the second part, ignoring to stand down, I don’t know, but what I do know Flashy is you seem to piss people off by just saying ‘Good Morning’

        Re: diffuse. Martins parents and Zimmerman on TV together holding hands asking people to calm down and let law enforcement do their job.

      • daniel

        Okay flashy you repeated NBC and company verbatim. Good job!!! Now as for witnesses there were three for sure on the same day as this happened. These were not after the fact.
        One thing I am pretty sure of is Sharpton and Jackson are raking in more money. You will notice I did not use the title reverend. That is because they do not preach the Jesus I know.

      • Rick

        Al and Jess make their money on racism so they have to promote it or not have a job.

      • eddie47d

        Mdbonjr; Why do you think Beck was booted off of FOX. He attempted to play the Pope but was nothing but a troubling little devil. There wasn’t an issue he couldn’t enhance! He also had his own band of lemmings.

      • GiveMeLiberty

        Flashy, you crossed the line when you called out Clint Eastwood. Although I despise any and all pop culture, in his earlier movies, Clint portrayed strong-willed, dirt and grit, tough guy Americans. You know, the kind who BUILT this country from the ground up.

        Oh and by the way, in any good Clint Eastwood movie fantasy, Clint always gives the bad guys a chance to walk away unless they started firing first. Remember the line, “dying ain’t much of a living boy”? Classic, just classic. Anyhow, back to reality, in most cases, Clint gave the punks a chance to think twice about their deeds before he dispatched them to heaven! Your obviously under-informed interpretation of this case shows Mr. Zimmerman not giving the punk a chance. Until you know all the details, don’t drag Clint into this too!

      • Rick

        @ Flashy you said I’d say anytime someone dies as a result of a gunshot…there is enough for an arrest, then to investigate and take time to sort out the real situation before proceeding to indictment and trial phases. Why? Are you saying that they need to “arrest” everyine who uses a firearm to defend themselves? That would mean the 18 y/o wodow in AKL By would have seperated from her baby after losing her husband in the service, after a man broke in her door with a hunting knife, and she shot him. Then you go on to say, By not arresting Zimmerman, there is argument that Martin has been tried and proven guilty de facto without benefit of having a day to clear his name.No it just says that as sad and tragic as this ended it Mean that there is not enough evidence to chanrge based on the information they have and the laws as the are. It is not like Zimmerman was Running from the police. He had cooperated and they knew where is was. So after they did their intitalinterview they released him wh8ile they investigated. Again innocent until proven guilty. The cops can not hold him if the prosecutor does not believe the is evidence to confict. that is how the law works..

      • norepsordems

        HI Rick….while I agree with most everything you said in your response to flashy….I saw what I feel is a flaw in your argument….while the 18 yr old shot and killed a perpotrator….in her home….and also there were weapons found with the perp….she was…in her home…defending invasion and possible harm….way to go…every right to stand her ground and shoot….the difference here…..Zimmerman, while it was private property, was in what would be considerd common area…..Martin had as much right there as he did as he was a guest of someone (a relative)……the problem of this being self defense……although there are witnesses to part…and I emphasise…part….of the conflict between the two people….no one saw how that conflict started….we only have Zimmermans account of the story….Martin can not tell his side…he’s dead…….so in this case…..much more needs to be considered before fault or blame is placed on either Zimmerman or Martin……this is for the district attornys office to decide….not the job of the police to determin guilt or innocence…..a homicide did occur….weither it was justifiable( self defense)…or some degree of murder….even involuntary manslaughter…..again…not for us…or the police to decide……one thing to consider also ….and for me this ways very heavy……Zimmerman was in the safety of his vehicle…and chose to put himself in harms way….and was told by the people of hhigher authority….we do not need you to follow……please tell me your take on the situation now…..

      • mdbonjr

        norepsordems, I see, and for the most part, agree with your argument. We have not seen any evidence to support or refute Zimmerman’s testimony as to what took place prior to Martin physically attacking Zimmerman. However, while it is tempting to allow the fact that he exited his vehicle in the first place play a major role, the question does arise, does he not have the right to do so?
        Also, was or was not Zimmerman directly commanded to not do so by a law enforcement official? This is treading on thin ice in my opinion. The 911 operator may or may not have been an LEO. On top of that, from what I hear on the recordings, he was not given a command but, rather an implied suggestion. “We don’t need you to do that.” is very different from “Do not pursue the individual.”
        I have other speculations but, they are simply that. I was not there and therefore can not factually present those opinions without further evidence. So, like you suggest and I recommend, we should allow the wheels of Justice to turn their way to a verdict.

        The intentions of my post here are to continue what I see as a constructive debate based upon what we know as fact in this tragedy. I commend you norepsordems and look forward to possibly continuing this discussion with you and others in the manner which it currently exists.

      • norepsordems

        Again we agree on so much….I do agree he was not told…but it was more of a sugestion that he not follow….but under the statutes in Florida…..even though he had a right to carry…as what I have found ..he did have a conceled weapons permit….as a citizen in general…he could have walked on the property with his gun in tow…conceled that is….but at the point in time he notified the local police agency thru 911 of his the actions he was persueing…ie..folowing Martin…..he then falls under a new set of rules as a community watch person….in that capacity…he was leagaly obligated to place his firearm in a secure manner in his vehicle and persue or follow….whatever term you feel is appropriate…how this comes to be is…as a civilan….concealed carry ok…but…oce he put himself in the position of defending or guarding the property…ie…community watch as it is referenced here…he needed a liscence to carry in that capacity….community watch members are not allowed to be armed…..in Florida at least….you can be a gaurd in 2 different capacities…either unarmed…or armed….the later requireing a specific liscence to cary a firearm….not just a concealed weapons permit…..I have lived in Florida for 20+ years if you were wondering……..and like we both agree…nobody at this times has concreat evidence who started the actual confrintation or fight..again..what do we call it?……untill those questions are answered….who knows….another statue that comes into play…..specifies that even in the event that an actaul crime is being commited, up to and includeing a felony…a private citizen is not permited to use deadly force to apprehend or subdue said perpatrator, except in the event the crime being commited is against another person and you feel that persons life is in danger……I don’t know if I made myself clear about Zimmerman leaving his vehicle to follow Martin….yes…he did have that right….just not as an armed person……I hope this helps you get a better picture of the does and don’ts….which the rest of this board have no idea about…nor do I think they care….you on the other hand seem to be very level headed and really desire to understand all of the situation….thanks…and if you have more thoughts to state, or questions of me……I also desire futher discussion with you….

      • http://gillysrooms.blogspot.com GILLYSROOMS IN AUSTRALIA

        Who needs a legal system or the judges or law courts Flashy when you seem to know everything but where did you get all your information from? Was it from the police or other investigators or did you piece it all together from the news media? Your so proud of yourself that you have all the answers as to who is guilty already and you want to share the story before they make a movie of your fictional story. Why did you not become a judge instead of just being like the rest of us who like to debate in this forum?

      • Vicki

        norepsordems says:

        but under the statutes in Florida…..even though he had a right to carry…as what I have found ..he did have a conceled weapons permit….as a citizen in general…he could have walked on the property with his gun in tow…conceled that is….but at the point in time he notified the local police agency thru 911 of his the actions he was persueing…ie..folowing Martin…..he then falls under a new set of rules as a community watch person….in that capacity…he was leagaly obligated to place his firearm in a secure manner in his vehicle and persue or follow….whatever term you feel is appropriate

        I was not able to find a Florida law supporting your assertion but since you live there you can probably quickly provide a link to the relevant statute.

      • norepsordems

        Here ya go Vicki…not good at adding links , but I will tell you where to look…..To preform the duties of an armed seurity guard a Florida Class G Licesce must be obtained. Classroom training must be taken at a certified traning facility in accordance to Florida States Statutes Section 493,790 and 775. Also Florida statutes 493.6106 and 744.331http://security-license.com/images/stories/stahttp://security-license.com/images/stories/stateforms/Florida/Armed-FL.pdfteforms/Florida/Armed-FL.pdf………..I hope this helps you Vicki……

      • Ed Glimpse

        All 5 of your assumptions are just that. You make them up as you go. I don’t, nor do you, know that any of those statements are factual or true. They may be what you want them to be, but not factual. In fact, one of them for sure is false. There were witnesses, more than one, that came forward who saw the altercation. Another is borderline when you say that Zimmerman stalked Trayvon. He says he didn’t but went back to his SUV. How do you know? Were you there? Didn’t think so. YOU AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM HERE!
        Semper Fi! from Master Gunny Ed

      • norepsordems

        Let me start by saying…in no way do I agree with Flashy…..but one thing you said Gunny….3 witnesses that saw the altercation…..from what I have read…these 3 only saw the altercation..after it had started…not from the very begining….so I don’t think we know…except for what Zimmerman says…..who actually started the fight…that ended in a death….a homicide was commited…we don’t know if it was justifiable or not….I don’t stand on either side, guilt or innocence….but feel that it should be tried ina court of law….not the court of public opinion….

      • Vicki

        norepsordems says:

        Here ya go Vicki…not good at adding links , but I will tell you where to look

        (snip)

        I hope this helps you Vicki……

        Thanks. I’ll take a look at it.

      • vicki

        @norepsordems

        So I looked at your link
        http://security-license.com/images/stories/stateforms/Florida/Armed-FL.pdf

        And then at the Statutes 493,775,790

        493 covers Private investigators and security services
        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0400-0499/0493/0493ContentsIndex.html

        In particular “security officer” is defined. Mr Zimmerman did not match the definition hence was not a security officer under that chapter and was still a private citizen lawfully carrying a concealed weapon when he left his vehicle under chapter 790.

        I found no provisions under 493, 775 or 790 that changed his status just because he called 911.

        775 covers all crimes
        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0775/0775ContentsIndex.html

        790 covers Weapons And Firearms. In particular 790.25 covers Lawful ownership, possession, and use of firearms and other weapons.
        http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/SEC25.HTM&Title=-%3E2000-%3ECh0790-%3ESection%2025#0790.25

      • Palin16

        Flashy,
        How dare you knock Clint Eastwood! He’s a 1000 times the man you’ll ever be! Have you even come close to this living legend’s accomplishments? You just made my day, punk!

    • Ben Williams SR

      justice is all the people want ,when you kill you go to jail.where is the race war in that? it is a sad day in the U.S. when a man kill a child,and go home.give Trayvon justice.for a long it has been “justus” it is time for justice for “ALL”.

      • Average Joe

        justice is all the people want ,when you kill you go to jail.where is the race war in that?”

        Hey genius……Only when there is sufficient evidence to warrant an arrest…..that’s how the law works…. Maybe a basic course in civics would help you to understand this simple principle….In the event that you feel this is the wrong way to do things…you are in the wrong country….and should probably leave…asap.
        Btw, In the future, if you wish to appear somewhat intelligent…learn to punctuate….and make complete sentences.I don’t usually take advice or listen to folks that seem…well…less than educated. Many of us speak english here….not Ebonincs (AKA Lazyspeak).

      • http://DotheMediawantaracewar. John Wyatt

        What about the young white couple that four or five blacks attacked “just cause.” They raped the girl repeatedly and poured lye down her throat to destroy DNA. The tortured them and sexually mutilated both the girl and boy and then set him on fire. Where is the media coverage on this? Why is this not considered a “hate crime?” Where is the justice for this young people and their parents? Let’s discuss this one more than the other recent attack.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Ben Williams SR asks for justice and justice there should be…ignore the racists and the media calls for Zimmerman’s head(clearly vigilante justice)and let the proper authorities investigate and make their determinations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws for everyone…not just when it’s politically convenient for a few. Justice or injustice will be served one way or another. Let the justice system decide without the influence of the racists, celebrities, Congress or the media. The Florida State Attorney has been appointed by the governor to oversee the investigation.

      • http://liberty Tony

        Hey John Wyatt;
        You talk about the Knoxville tragedy, which was horrible. You’re right the perpetrators should be punished. But then, how about what white Miss. teen Dreben White did to black garage man, James graham!?! Google, White Mississippi Teen gets life sentence for murder. You know how this murder took place? Dreben White with three other colleagues,
        literally, drove over James Graham’s body with a Dodge Ram pickup truck. Also, how about the murder of beautiful school teacher, Melissa Jenkins, in New Hampshire by good ole’ boy and gal, Allen with Victoria Prue. You know why that occurred, was because Ms. Jenkins was a successful school teacher and had a prosperous parttime arts with crafts
        business. Anotherthing, she,too, had a mixed race toddler. They slit Ms. Jenkins’s throat with a steel commando knife. So, where’s your outrage on that. Google both these cases and you’ll find. Afterwards safe me the hypocrisy of your complaints. Happy Easter!!

      • Charles

        One or two facts is not enough, you have to get ALL THE FACTS.

      • michiganminuteman

        Ben, you should learn a little bit about sentence structure, grammer, punctuation and get close to correct spelling before you post on the big kids blog. Just saying.

      • norepsordems

        Hey there minuteman….since when do we need our fourth grade English teacher, following around telling us that everything we write , even on a post….has to be in properly formated to be posted….and if you are on the big boy site as you so put it….why don’t you post something that would be relivant to the story at hand……and if you think I haven’t…..check what I have posted….and edit them for content….not structure and spelling…this isn’t a report at work or a term paper at school…………

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Hello JeffH,

        I completely agree with your statement “let the proper authorities investigate and make their determinations. We are supposed to be a nation of laws for everyone…not just when it’s politically convenient for a few. Justice or injustice will be served one way or another. Let the justice system decide without the influence of the racists, celebrities, Congress or the media.” If after it is investigated thoroughly and it is proven (in court, not in the media) that Zimmerman did in fact murder the young man, then he will get what he deserves. If on the other hand, his story stands up that he was acting in self defense…leave the man and his family alone. Hate crime legislation is a big problem too, because it allows people to put their race (any race) above the human race. Get rid of Hate Crime legislation and toughen up the laws against those who murder (not talking about true self-defense killings).

        By the way, how have you been? Hope things are well with you and your family.

        Fed Up Gal in NM

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Fed Up – have to agree with you and how are you – it’s been forever – hope all is well and good -

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Hi there LT,

        My apologies to you (and others) if this does not post in the correct order; since I’ve not posted for a while, I now have to re-learn which box to scroll to send my reply. I was hoping by now, the site would have upgraded to include a reply “link” on each posted message, but will manage until tha happens.

        Yes, it’s been a quite a while since I visited PLD. I was cleaning up my computer last evening and thought I would see what’s being discussed now. Seeing so many posters names that I recalled (yours, JeffH, and many others) made me smile; even seeing those I have disagreed with made me smile as well, because I realized…not much has changed….LoL.

        Things are going quite well here, considering that things are never perfect during our earthly days which leaves us with looking forward to our perfect but then again it never will be while on this earth, so I still say things are going quite well. ;-)

        Speaking of as close to perfect as things can be – my sweetie pie just drove in (on a surprise visit) and we’re headed out for breakfast (more like brunch I guess). Hope you have a wonderful Easter holiday.

        Fed Up Gal in NM

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Fed Up – well some things changed and some didn’t – anyway may your day have gone as beautifully as it sounded like it was heading for – we missed you.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Fed Up Gal in NM, I’m doing well although I’m fighting a little cold. I don’t want to pass it on to my nieces so I decided to forego Easter with the family. My brother will bring me a little “care package” of Easter goodies.

        Thanks for asking. Hope you’re having a very nice Easter holiday.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        LT and JeffH,

        Thank you for your response. Yes, it was very nice to get to spend the day with the love of my life. He lives a couple of hours north of here and his work schedule right now is really hectic, so I was very pleasantly surprised when he drove in unannounced and surprised me for Easter and for my upcoming birthday. I hope you both were able to spend your Easter with family and/or friends; and Jeff…if not, I sure hope you were able to enjoy that Easter care package and that you’re able to knock that cold out quickly.

        Well, I’ll keep this one short as it’s not related to the article; rather a response to my good PDL friends. Stay safe and enjoy the week ahead. :-)

    • dave

      to Nancy in Nebraska I don’t beleive in abortions for any reason the day after pill should work if things get out of hand as for rape if your going to give a death sentance for rape don’t you think it should be to the rapest not the baby the brain starts developing what after 6 or 10 days I feel after that its murder bouth parties are responsible not just the woman.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I totally agree with you. I don’t know where you got the idea that I didn’t. I didn’t comment on this subject at all, but I believe that life begins at conception and that any type of abortion is murder of an innocent child. Next time maybe you should be clear as to whom you are speaking to or about. I wouldn’t want anyone to think I had any other opinion than the one I have.

    • absolutely amazed

      The so-called street thugs had a field day in Tulsa yesterday, no doubt defending their liberty and defending the constitution as they interpreted it, and will no doubt invoke states’ rights and call the 2nd amendment to their defense after killing 3 and maiming 2. They were white, their victims were black – any chance there was racial profiling in their motives?

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        aa says, “I swallowed the bait”!

        I’m quite sure Sharpton, Lee, Rush, Jackson, Watters and Obama are vey pleased with the results in Tilsa as it pertains to their “ethnic division” campaign.

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