Why couldn’t it work, Sirian, if Medicare and Medicaid were straightened out with regard to all the waste and fraud involved?

Rebecca is truly a liberal nutcase! She thinks people will actually believe that Conservatives wrote obamaSCARE!

Demonrats wrote it “behind locked doors in the dead of night!”

SC, what differences do you know exist between a Republican and a conservative? Who do you consider the leading conservatives in US history?? I’m waiting.

When the government got involved in medical care, the costs to the patients sky-rocketed! Believe it!

Hi- Actually this is to WINDRINKER. I am one of the unwashed masses. Except I do shower daily, have one 40 hour week job and 2 part time jobs. So no freeloading here. I will not collect social security until 70 years old, and will be working for the rest of my life God willing my health remains. Currently I am 60 years old.

I have worked all of my adult life except when I was unemployed. During that time I collected 256 a week and worked part-time—applied to 100′s of jobs, many many rejections;.. All people I know and have known have worked hard to get employment during unemployment . It is a frightening experience. Who can live on unemployment???? I also used retirement funds during that time with basic expenses. Where are these ideas coming from about people who are unemployed? And all these people getting hand-outs?

For people who have to worry about themselves or loved ones not getting good health care the new health care reform is deeply deeply appreciated.

bigjeff, did you get your government check this month? Just checking…

ObamaSCARE has you reprogrammed and it is obvious that you know nothing of which you speak. Quit embarrassing yourself. ObamaSCARE is only for the unwashed masses, no one of any consequences will have to use it… You HAD the best healthcare system in the World. You won’t have the care you could get from a Vet School Dropout, with obamaSCARE…..if you can even get that.

And, YES, this country was built on personal integrity and taking care of one’s own responsibilities. You communists feel that you are entitled to sit and do nothing, while everyone else provides for you…Get off your butt and pay your own bills. No one wants to take care of you..

your comments were very well written and I enjoyed reading what you had to say. If everyone felt the way you do we wouldn’t be in the fix that we are in now. It’s too late to do anything. The writings on the wall but unfortunately only a few of us are able to read. Thank you for taking the time to write.

I agree with you Karolyn, and I work in healthcare. The best doctors are telling people how to stay healthy and keep from getting sick, and when they do get sick they are telling them how to get well without all the drugs, surgeries, etc. Getting older does not have to mean getting sick and decrepid. The overwhelming majority of illness is lifestyle related–easy to fix if one is motivated enough. I look to much older people who are healthy, vital, fit and still contributing to society. My favorite is model Oleda Baker who at 77 looks like she’s in her 40′s, still rides horses, paints, and runs her own beauty company. She has not had a face lift, and has the excellent health of a young woman in her 20′s and 30′s. She has nurtured herself well. Information and images of Oleda can be found on the net if anyone needs inspiration. Or, Dr.Bob Delmontique who is OMG hubba hubba at 85! I look to doctors like Dr.Joseph Mercola and Dr.Michael Cutler, Dr.Stephen Sinatra and Dr. Whitaker for REAL healthcare, not the overwhelming majority of doctors in the U.S. who just practice disease management and help you heal absolutely nothing. You want a really good, healthy life? Do your best to stay out of clinics and hospitals that practice conventional medicine. And, Obamacare needs to go to H E double hockey sticks.

And, Louis Lemieux, what color is the sun on your planet?

Decreased medical testing will not endanger anyone’s health. For many years doctors have been practicing what has come to be known as “defensive medicine.” The extra testing had nothing to do with diagnosis and treatment of patients, but to prevent medical malpractice lawsuits against doctors.
FYI. A few states now limit the amount of punitive punishment that can be awarded in medical malpractice lawsuits. By some strange coincidence the cost of health care has decreased and the quality of health care has increased in those states.

nc, what happened to Obamas promise to have the most transparent administration ever? If he had kept the promise (which he never intended to do in the first place) he would have allowed congress and the American people plenty of time to read the bill before bringing it up for a vote. He also would not have conducted all the closed door/back room deals in order to bribe his own party to vote for the health care bill.

This man (and I use the word man with a grain of salt) has lied to the American people from the first time he entered political life. His only goal is to expand the federal government and force it into every aspect of the American way of life.

This liar-in-chief or pretender-in-chief is the worst president this country has ever elected. Way too many people fell for his rhetoric of hope and change without looking at exactly what hope and change he was talking about. The real meaning of his hope and change was that he hoped the American people would remain asleep until he changed the greatest/freest country in the world into a socialist third world country. Well, congratulations, he is well on his way to achieving his goal.

You are correct, up to a point. There so many bills pending at any one time (over 10,000) that it is impossible for a representative or senator to read every single one of them personally. That’s what staffers are for. The difference between this and Nancy Pelosi is that her statement actually encouraged members of Congress to NOT read the bill. Pelosi and the Liberals placed the bill, all 2700 pages, on the House floor at 2:00 AM and wanted Republicans to have it read and be ready to vote on it just five hours later. Even a speed reader coldn’t read it that fast.

Another ignorant question by eddie that had absolutly nothing to do with Nancy’s comment. You just can’t be fixed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw

The “privately owned” Federal Reserve Banks are one of this country’s greatest enemies and should be abolished! These global elite, multi-Billionaires own this country and we must buy our Dollars from them… They are the “Shadow Government” that runs this country.
The reason people are paying attention to them now, is because they have decided it is time to break the back of our country and pave the way for the NWO. They have “their boy” in the oval office and they control our economy. They are devaluating our Dollar and stealing wealth out of this country by causing inflation.

Yes, I cannot believe how people are expressing such uninformed opinions on such important matters. The woolly, system-conditioned and illogical arguments are so symptomatic of how it is that someone like Obama and all his very bad ‘Skull & Bones’ predecessors were ever able to be successfully elected. If our leaders wanted world peace it could be achieved very quickly, if they truly believed in good government they would not be doing any of this stuff. Just look at the press from whom so many people on this forum are deriving their ridiculous ‘arguments’. it is all government-sanctioned propaganda. The press is not free, it is owned by 5 corporations, all government sponsored. Look at the alternative media everyone, it will change your life forever. And by the way, everyone needs to know that Obama, like bush senior are CIA. Don’t just say ‘birthers’ are nuts. Check out the evidence and get some facts. All his records are sealed – that alone should tell you something. The press will not touch it with a barge pole -ever wondered why? Wake up everyone!

It does not matter who is elected as president or to Congress anymore or governor or state legislature. All most people elected to office want to do is to become rich at the expense of the average American. They do not care what happens to our retirement systems, health care systems, living standards, etc. because they exempt themselves from all of these. They have their own retirement system and health care system. What needs to be done is to make these people fall under the same retirement system (Social Security for example) and health care system (ACA) they put in place for the rest of us. Take away all their perks and make them follow all the laws the average person has to follow (no insider trading, etc.). Do this and see how fast they actually fix the problems facing this country instead of giving lip service to them.

I would protect your choice to be an idiot, but I would far prefer you to be able to read and write. So you chose not to go to school. None of us are the better for that choice.

Thank you for a little common sense. America has swung so far to the right that we’re now privatizing the prison system, accountable not to society but to shareholders, while private prison corporations plunge their profits back into lobbying for “get tough” legislation among Republican candidates who can then look tough on crime while creating more “customers” for the private corporate prison business. The net result: We lock up more of our citizens than any other western nation, and for good reason–there’s money to be made off of incarcerating Americans! We’re once again Big Corporate’s personal ATM machine, and plenty of people on this site seem to think that’s a wonderful idea.

And people on here are spinning in circles on Obama’s secret FEMA/concentration/extermination/incineration camps while they’re blind to the corporate concentration camp system set up right under their noses–all for profit.

Privatizing the space program is a brilliant idea–should’ve been done years ago…but we don’t need to invest zero accountability in those institutions which hold the power of life and death over us, whether medical or penal. In time we’ve become slaves to the greedy institutions we’re willing to die to protect.

That ought to be a no-brainer, but if you’re a corporate jihadi, any act of disagreement is the mark of the infidel.

NC (& others)

Do you realize that since 1928, every president except Truman & Reagan were Progressives, masquerading as dems or reps? Kennedy & GWB didn’t follow the Progressive tax policy orthodoxy, but did for most of the other decisions that were made.

We’ve all been duped.

If you are going to argue against something, at least get your facts straight: There are no death panels. You’re still clinging to a stupid statement made by Sarah Palin. Obviously, you love the current system, under which, your fate is decided by the insurance company, and a catastrophic illness could cost you your home.

Tim L., you say there will be no “death panel”. This is a term that Sarah Palin used to get the most attention. It won’t be called a “death panel” but it does exist in obamacare. There will be a panel that decides how to “ration” healthcare. Do some fact checking. They will decide who gets what treatment. Using cancer as an example, they know which chemo drugs work and which do not. The ones that work are terribly expensive. If you are past a certain age of productivity (50? 60? 70?) you will not receive the expensive drug that they know works. You will be given a less expensive drug that they know has a lesser survival rate. I read that they are setting an age, after which you would receive no treatment at all. There will be a whole range of services that will be tied to age ranges. They will also look at a younger person’s overall health and ability to be a “productive” citizen. Even children will be denied services if they decide that it doesn’t provide a “good return”. Do you want someone else deciding whether or how much treatment you or your loved ones receive? Keep in mind, you would not be allowed to seek out and pay for these services on your own because they have decided that there are a limited amount of resources that must go to the most “worthy”among us. This is is what Sarah Palin refers to as the “death panel”. And it IS part of obummercare!

The real death panel is from the insurance companies who deny people coverage or drop them if they become really ill. Few people can predict that they will be the ones who end up with a catastrophic illness. Yet the insurance companies play God and have booted those people off of their rolls. Even when you faithfully have paid your premiums they can find reasons to deny you. Private companies can’t always be trusted and have their own death panel categories which keeps millions out of their healthcare system. The Life Insurance business can also set up legal contracts and set a given amount. Yet years into a concrete policy they change the rules and force you to pay more or drop the contract on you. This one gentleman the story was about had a lifetime policy and now was quite old but had a few more years on him. The insurance company demanded $50,000 a YEAR more from him or else be dropped. If he didn’t renew he would also loose any premiums paid in even though it was a lifetime contract. There are several stories like this where private companies don’t deliver on what they promised so why should they be trusted to come through.

We’ve had death panels for decades. They’re called insurance companies, and they regularly decide who lives and dies, based on how much money they can make off of them.

We’ve been liberated from the evilduerness of “Big Government”.

And we were sold to Big Corporate, who demands every day that we cede more of our lives to them and remove what few protections from their bottomless greed the government still provides.

Nancy in Nebraska says: “It won’t be called a “death panel” but it does exist in obamacare. There will be a panel that decides how to “ration” healthcare. Do some fact checking. They will decide who gets what treatment.”

You are right. These panels will determine how much productive lifetime (how many more years they will be able to work and pay taxes) a person has. If they determine that the cost of a health care solution is more than the persons expected return by paying taxes the coverage will be denied. This will result in people over a certain age (based on health of individual) to be denied coverage.

The other thing that I think will be coming will be permits for people to have children. DNA testing will be required and if it is determined that the person is likely to have a child with a mental and/or physical condition the person will be refused the permit to have a child. Also people who are below a certain educational and.or financial level will not be allowed to have children (they cannot educate and/or provide for them at a level the government says they must be able to do in order to insure the child has a good chance to succeed). Also every pregnant woman will be required to undergo medical tests to determine if there is any medical/physical defects with the unborn. If it is determined that there is there will, be a forced abortion.

I could go on with many other things the POLITICAL panels will be allowed to do.

People will probably tell me I am out to lunch but just wait and see if I am not correct if Obamacare stands.

Some of the things you “prophesied” in you post are already in ObamaCare. Here’s one you missed, and it’s actually in the legislation. Each person will be allowed a lifetime dollar limit to the amount of health care he/she can receive. After you have reached that limit, you cannot legally receive anymore care, even if you pay for it out of your own pocket.

The success of the Internet can be directly traced back to the government and with wild success at that. NASA programs in launching communication satellites also helped bring the world closer and many private companies were spin offs. The Interstate System covered every corner of this country and brought a boom to cities,tourism,commerce and transportation. Even Social Security is popular and widely accepted and a necessity for most who retire,(even after the few in government who syphoned funds from it). National Parks are a blessing that can’t be measured in dollars in protecting our air,water,animal species and quality of life. Everyone benefits even those who don’t use the parks but those who do have to pay a fee. A national healthcare plan can also work if properly administered and considering that private companies are still on board it could be a good partnership. Unless those private companies try and gouge the public again. I’d keep a close eye on those private companies if i were you.

eddie – Have you actuallt read the legislation? Or are you just accepting the word of what some Liberal told you about the legislation. I suggest you go to a library and read it for yourself. You’ll react the same way I did when I read it, especially the parts that have absolutely nothing to do with health care. I thought I was reading a Stephen King horror novel.

The US is a rich country, 24% of World Gross Domestic Product and 5% of world population.Where do you think most of the money is going? Ask the Koch brothers. There are intrinsic administrative malfunctions in the US social system and they need to be fixed. All Americans should be entitled to healthcare, a basic need. The enormous stress this causes on many individuals and families is itself a health issue and eventually raises the cost of healthcare.

I’m all in favor of the Affordable Care Act because it’s not normal for so many millions of Americans not to be able to afford healthcare insurance and opponents don’t have any true solutions.Even Romney believes In the Affordable Care Act at the state level. Collective freedom starts where individual freedom stops and collective sharing should start where individual greed should stop.

Apparently you have never, and I do mean NEVER, tried to use one of those “free” clinics. Granted, there is no cash outlay for the clinic visit, if you can get in in the first place, but you do have to know where and when it is, then be able to afford transportation to get you to it. Just because there is a free clinic or two within a hundred miles of you has nothing to do with whether or not you can get to it, or if you will be seen when and if you do get there. Most of these clinics are so over-utilized and underfunded that their hours are extremely limited, as are the number of patients they can see. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on when you get there, they don’t do triage, but first in, first out. This means the kid with the cut finger that was there waiting when the doors opened is more likely to be seen and treated than the lady with heart problems who arrives ten minutes before closing time.

What you call “free health care” is not true. We all pay for that care, since those giveaways must be covered by increasing the rates the rest of us pay. So that economic argument does not hold.

Now if you promise the rest of us that you will always remain healthy and never ever access the health care system, or if you do, you pay every cent up front for your care, I’ll welcome you in with no insurance purchased since you will promise to self insure yourself. There is a 50/50 chance you will get Alzheimers, more than a 20% chance you will have a heart attack or similar, the same for cancer. As long as you put away the hundreds of thousands of dollars, or more, that it will take you to pay for that care, you are welcome in. But you have to assure someone somewhere that you have the money put away in a medical care lockbox that only you can use, if you get sick, you must not access the US health care system at any level unless you pay up front, just as you must assure the car dealership that you are going to pay for your car, etc. Otherwise, you must stay out our go to Mexico or somewhere to beg for care there. No problems if you promise to do that – you won’t be a burden to the rest of us when you need care. Under no circumstance obligate the rest of us to pay for your personal, independent choice that will keep you free of the tyranny of the health care system.

Louis L. You are certainly correct when you said that it is unusual for there to be so many people (I didn’t say citizens or Americans) in this country without healthcare!
What do you expect when the Socialist State has created a “dependent class” of half this Nation!! These are the obama supporters that now have “both” hands out for an increase in benefits. Then, people like you come along and bemoan about these poor creatures and their “right to healthcare.” Find a new “cause” of interest. How about the “cause” of getting these people off the “collective tit” and paying their own bills.

When nearly half of the population refuses to work and pay their own way…it IS a big problem..but the “problem” is for the rest of us that actually work for a living!

It is the “creeping socialism” causing the problem,,,you got it wrong. Capitalism, those evil people that work and pay the bills, are the ones that have the solution. Put those freeloaders to work. We don’t need obamaSCARE that is about total control of every aspect of our lives, not about healthcare.

If it is about healthcare, why does obamaSCARE fund obama’s private “civilian Army!” I suppose that is about caring for the sick!

Don’t ya see Summertime?!! Thus the problem with our system! Although, you are correct, there are places to go, (I would have everybody notice how many of these organizations that help the down-trodden and poor are CHRISTIAN organizations! You don’t see too many New-Age soup kitchens do ya?!!) medical expences have become so ARTIFICIALLY inflated that in order to pay for an accident or illness you MUST have insurance or face the threat of losing EVERYTHING you own. And insurance companys don’t make fortunes insuring sick people! So the only ones who get it are the chosen, healthy, and/or well to do. This isn’t health care!!! It’s extortion and social GENICIDE!!! Jesus WILL NOT forgive us for leaving our poor and destitude in neglect! READ MATT. 25:31-46!!! If you go to the doctor and pay cash, they charge you a different fee than if you were to file it on your insurance! I understand that the paperwork is a headache and requires more labor, but this shouldn’t be!!! It breeds corruption! It’s not the entitlement, it’s all the corruption that goes along with it that is THE PROBLEM!!! I too remember as a kid, growing up in a below poverty line household, getting sick and going to the doctor when dad was able to pay the bill outta pocket! Who could even imagine trying to do that today!!! If a doctor knows that you’re covered, they MILK it, and even some of your more unscruppless ones will treat you for things that don’t even exist! At the same time trying to get your insurance to pay for procedures has become like pulling teeth!!! Then there’s the lawyers! And what do ya see? Them all LOUNGING around pointing the finger at each other, smokin’ big fat Cuban Cigars and drivin’ Jaguars!!! Duh… It’s a God awful shame that our system is one that is so easily manipulated by the liars and thieves that the poor innocents have difficulty getting help!!! The government envisioned in our founding documents was supposed to protect us from such piracy!

I love your name Summertime!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzNEgcqWDG4

What a talent!!! Nobody could possibly sing the blues with the pasion JJ displayed without the TRUE feeling that ONLY comes with pain and suffering! What a talent and what a tragedy of the times in which we live!!!

Summertime, you sound like one of the mother’s that has caused a lot of these problems in this country, maybe if you provided the right kind of food to your daughter she wouldn’t need all of those drugs, your kind, anything free is good enough !!!!

absolutely: “There is a 50/50 chance you will get Alzheimers, more than a 20% chance you will have a heart attack or similar, the same for cancer.”

Could you cite where you got this info from? Never heard of the 50/50 chance of alzheimers, and I think that is outright wrong! Also, if everyone took responsibility for his or her own health, less people would get sick; and even if they did, they could treat themselves. The human body is designed to heal itself, given the proper conditions (and “conditions” doesn’t translate into “pharmaceuticals.”

To: Summertime

Everything you stated is absolutely true. We always had hospitals that treated the poor even if they held a job. No one that I have witness throughout the coarse of my life were ever turned away. But I can tell you this much; hospitals became a big business venture.

My niece and I were at a hospital in West Virgina to see her daughter; while there, my niece experienced a severe headache, at which time I asked the nurse for an asperin. Later, when my niece’s husband received the hospital bill, the one single asperin I had asked for cost $50 dollars and I kid you not.

The total bill came to well over $18,000.00 dollars for a hospital stay of eleven days. A hotel bill would have been a lot cheaper.

MSGT JOHN CORREA
USAF (RET)

Hey Raggs, the Boss gets it!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UZxLhOzO9M

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear!

Anyone can use his personal freedom to step on his neighbor’s freedom! My freedom stops where my neighbor’s freedom starts and much of this is determined by free elections. Even if you don’t vote for a president who gets elected, you still have to live under him and his administration.

Louis L. said:

….”Even if you don’t vote you have to live under a president that gets elected and his administration.”

Hey Louis, I bet you had to think all day to come up with that tidbit!”

Windrinkler, if you vote for a candidate who doesn’t get elected president, you still have to live under the one that does get elected even if he’s not your choice. What I’m getting at is that individual freedom and freedom of choice is not absolute. Obviously the more one cares about his compatriots in need and the more he wants to collectively help them, not judge them, the more freedom he enjoys!

Just a little quote: “Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And “recovery” is when the foreign-born Muslim communist agent dictator Barack Hussein Obama II loses his.”

As quoted by Ronald Reagan; I Just changed it a bit to fit the crime.

MSGT JOHN CORREA
USAF (RET)

Thanks Amanda.

But Capitalism doesn’t need to be Gordon Gecko style hyper greed and screw who’s ever in the way, ala the Kochs, Goldman Sacjs, Wall Street, Exxon Mobil, Rupert Murdoch/Fox News. Somewhere,someone has to have a conscience and some concern for his fellow man. We can’t all be Zimmermans or no one will be left.

To: Amanda Ford

Very well explained Amanda. I would like to pass on three philosophies by Ronald Reagan….

“There can be no prosperity or even freedom for our people if we ever abandon the competitive economic system that transferred this country into the strongest nation in the world.

History makes it plain that unless restrained, government proliferates to a point where its cost bankrupts the people at the same time it robs them of their freedom.

The American dream that we have nursed for so long in this country, and lately neglected, is not that every man must be level with every other man. The American dream is that every man must be free to become whatever God intends he should become.”

Amanda, I believe the above coincides with your statement or very close to it.

MSGT JOHN CORREA
USAF(RET)

You pay nothing for Medicare Part A (hospitalization). I was told $96 for Part B (doctors) and didn’t even look at Part ? for prescription drug.

Karolyn says, “You pay nothing for Medicare Part A (hospitalization).” I beg to differ Karolyn…to say you pay nothing is a misnomer, it is “pre-paid coverage” for those who qualify to recieve it…even you know that nothing is free in this world…Part A is paid for by a portion of Social Security taxes. Generally, people who are over age 65 and getting Social Security automatically qualify for Medicare Parts A and B.

Semantics, Jeff.

Karolyn, an excuse? You should know better.

I pay $99.10 for Part B Karolyn and some pay $115. Maybe others pay a different amount.

You two know those fees you quote me will necessarily go up if and when Obamacare is fully implemented. I’ll pass on the prescription drug part, I don’t use any and I don’t trust the FDA anyway.

Moonbeam, the government will help you pay your health insurance depending on your level of income and hardship situation.

That is only a partial truth, which is the ONLY truth Liberals will ever tell. 80% of the people are already covered by health insurance, a truth Liberals refuse to reveal. If the government would just pay the health insurance premiums for the other 20%, and forget all the bureaucratic garbage, then the cost to taxpayers would be less than one-thousandth of one per cent of the projected cost of ObamaCare. This has already been confirmed by the CBO.
ObamaCare is NOT about health care. It is about controlling the money spent for health care, thereby increasing direct control of the people.

And for those who have not been so dumbed down by Progressive Propaganda that they can no longer think:
http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

Hear Hear!

Extreme right and extreme left are way too dogmatic. Don’t we all have a left and right eye to determine how to proceed forward? It’all a question of values. People have different values and we make personal choices that shape our lives. One of my values will always be that money exists for us and not us for money!

Absolutely circular logic, Dave. It is the insurance companies and hospitals, which are not controlled by the government, that force us to pay for the uninsured. Someone shows up with no insurance, and they are cared for. That costs money. Where in the hell do you thank that money will come from – Saturn or Venus? If everyone was in the system and had insurance, then we could figure out how to deliver care and control the costs. Now if the uninsured, for example the healthy trying to beat the odds, don’t want to pay for health insurance, and do in fact get their leukemia or have their heart attack ,just like student loans, their health-related debts should never be forgiven. They played the odds, they lost, too bad. The Republicans proposed mandated health insurance long ago, but once taken up by the Democrats, it became, of course, a communist plot. Those damned communists are everywhere now – traffic lights at intersections, stop signs where we don’t want them in school zones, protecting the food supply from salmonella. Before long, they’ll even tell women they can join the work force and have their children looked after in day care, which, as we all know, are indoctrination camps where they might possibly learn the ABCs and math, think about going to college, and even become scientists who might claim that the earth did come into instant existence those 7 days 6016 years ago and the dinosaur fossils were planted in the rocks to fool us all, and that putting a man on the moon to beat those Russkie communists there was just a wider plot that those devious and lying, college educated, smart-ass snobbish scientists foisted on us. Got to watch out for those communists – they are around every corner now, wanting their kids educated and their food safe, and the next thing you know, they will want to have their own guns in their own homes. Now that would just not be acceptable, would it.

Sir, you left out “Communist Rule for Revolution,” for which, was designed to corrupt and destroy our young’s faith in religion, their parents, authority, etc. Today, our young know nothing of American history, the U.S. Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence. They know more about sex and drugs than they do about their country’s history.

Also included in the “Communist Rule for Revolution” is what we witness almost on the daily basis; “Destroy the people’s faith in their national leaders by holding the latter up to contempt and ridicule.” You’ve seen what they did with Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann. Members of the Communist Democratic Party made full use of this “Communist Rule for Revolution” as a tool for “Character Assassination.”

The “Communist Rule for Revolution” was obtained by the Armed Forces in Dusseldorf in May of 1919, for which, had later spread and infected the United States of America by members of the Socialist Party in the early 1920s, and continued to grow like an invisible cancer ever since. And we can’t say we weren’t warned over the years by prominent leaders, only Americans themselves left their country unguarded. People heard them, but they didn’t listen. I did!

MSGT JOHN CORREA
USAF (RET)

I believe Glenn Beck is more of a VISIONARY than most people will give him credit for!
He predicted the current situation in the Middle East several years ago, the Socialism coming, several years ago, and what he has been predicting, for the near future, I believe, is right on target, as well!
He has an EXCELLENT staff of researchers, and he’s not AFRAID of criticism by the LEFTISTS!
Like him, or not, he’s been right a LOT MORE than anyone else I’ve heard!

MSGT JOHN, I salute you Sir! Thank you for you service! I’ll bet your men are well schooled ALL AROUND! Very well said Sir, point well made!!!
Jerry, here’s a guy they were laughing to scorn when he was telling everyone to buy gold at $600 an oz.!!! Who’s laughing now?!!Almost every single prediction this guy made came true, name me ONE that didn’t! You are spot-on about his staff, theyr’e EXCELLENT!!! I sent Bill O’Reilly (I believe that, truth be known, ole’ turkey neck couldn’t stand, and was quite jealous of, and felt threatened by Glenn! LOL!!!) an email one time tellin’ him that he wasn’t takin’ Glenn seriously at his own peril, because he was one of three things, a genius, a prophet of God, (I don’t buy that from a Mormon!) or a “spoonfeeder” privy to some serious inside information!!! O’Reilly’s so FULL of himself!

TomW,
Please go to GBTV.com. That’s Glenn’s new network and it’s well worth it. He’s on vacation right now, should be back week after next. Even so, there are plenty of shows that you can watch that are archived. We subscribed the moment it started and have learned so much – it’s well worth the money. And that, believe it or not, isn’t really expensive. Give it a look, you’ll like it I’m sure.

@TomW: GBTV is available to watch on your time, unhindered by networks’ slots. Always getting better; worth every dime! Highly recommend The Blaze, also.

Mental note: The John Birch Society and Ron Paul along with countless others have been warning us for decades of the political, social and moral break down of our country. Glenn Beck has been able to pick up the ball and continue the warning and enlightenment. I do stress that as much as I love Glenn Beck’s message I have put him on the back burner after he has “bore false witness against ” Ron Paul. I have no idea why, they are both libertarians, and Ron Paul supports Israel through common sense and the Constitution not through the UN or our Crime Inc. bosses in D.C. and else where. I trust Ron Paul because he has been talking and walking Liberty, common sense and upholding our Constitutional rights for 30+ years. I would say Glenn is riding on the coattails of those who have gone before him yet now is slandering. Non-interventionism and Isolationism are apples and oranges. Ron Paul supporters are not only decent, law-abiding and incredible people, but they are leaders, true patriots and one by one trying to save our country while so many others just gripe, are deceived or close their eyes to the cause of liberty and truth. Ron Paul said it’s not about him, he does not want to be king it is about the message………………

@ Jerry Glenn Beck is not a visionary man, he simply is repeating what John Birch Society, Ayn Rand, Ron Paul, and countless others have warned for decades. He has been given a powerful soapbox and I am grateful that so many can learn what millions have known for years, but slandering Ron Paul has me questioning him. False claims, slander and negativity toward good law-abiding and honest supporters is just as wrong as the left attacking the Tea Party supporters around the country. I don’t know why he is doing it. I also don’t believe in being (once again) scared into war and submission by yet another “boogeyman” so that we can put more of our finest men and women into war again. Socialism and Communism are deeply rooted in the game of deception, and “even the very elect” will be deceived. I put my faith in God, Family and Country, in the Constitution and in the American people who are willing to speak out in defense of our country and fix us first. Our cash is worth near zero yet we are willing to print more debt and use our soldiers as UN/ Big Government collateral damage again……

Hello! Pot calling kettle!!!!!

Hey PC2, why don’t ya go take a dip in some shark infested waters somewhere, huh?! What the hell rock did you crawl out from under?!! Flushduche, IS THAT YOU?!!

If you send all us right wing conservative capitalist away who would be here to do all the work be productive and supply the lazy blood sucking parasite free loading socialist on the left with the free ride they want? The unlimited welfare state of Ameritopia…would go bankrupt with every one looking for the hand out and no one there to give it???
No America was built on the individuals right to out and make it happen not sit and wait for some one else to make it happen for them!
It say the right to the Pursuit of Happiness not the guarantee of happiness fulfilled through the efforts of others!!
Get Life and if you like Socialism go to Cuba, Russia, Greece but get a one way ticket to some where! Because we are about to export Socialism in 2012!
Have a nice day!

This group of “right wing brain dead” is fighting the good fight and striking fear into the flock of you pre-programmed ,highly educated progressive “independant thinkers”.

Gonna’ be tough to have to live in a country where you’ll have to take reponsibility for yourself and work a living huh?

It’s time to make some serious choices. Do I allow government to make all of the important decisions concerning me ad my family or do I resist so that I

The Failure of Communism and Socialism
http://www.hermes-press.com/socialism_failure.htm
There has been a total collapse of the capitalist economic system, but there are no “countervailing powers” to oppose the cabal. The old capitalist system of a supply and demand market has been scrapped and a new totally fascistic structure put in its place: looting taxpayer money to give to financial institutions, with fat-cats receiving obscene multi-million dollar salaries and bonuses accompanied by a systematic genocide of workers.

“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments . . .”
– President James Madison

Making threats to kill us off.

Good mornin’ everybody!!! Glad to see everybody woke up on the right-side of the bed this mornin’! What we have here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3CPz21NzUc

“I submit that an individual who breaks the law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the very highest respect for law.”
Martin Luther King Jr.

Mr. Root; Yesterday Mr Myer’s warned us of the potential disaster of the possibility of China dumping 300 billion in treasuries on the open market and today you have managed to trump that with 17 trillion, and 87 trillion respectively, which is impresseive fear mongering until we get to the 791 trillion in unregulated derivatives, created by the unregulated capitalist system……you are so concerned about preserving.

All in 6+ minutes of rhetoric, whose justification seems to be that most americans are
happy with what they have……and amazingly you do this on behalf of Personal Liberty,
which spends much of it’s time and energy making the point, that the medical establishment is dangerous…….which would seem to suggest that your attempted justification, seems willing to accept that those happy americans…are clueless and ignorant of these dangers…..in a system which has nothing to do with “health” and actually kills 750,00 to one million a year, iatrogenically, making it the leading cause of death in
the U.S.

The reality is, that the bill was crafted by the health insurance industry and drug companies…..an actual socialist bill would have been single payer….and since we do not have that, the bill simply guarantees profits for the private ( capitalist ) insurers,
while the reforms required to correct the irresponsibility of the medical professionals
and drug companies, go unaddressed……..and yes there will be debt, but my friend
that is what the american capitalist system is based on…….

The problem with people who babble for a living, preaching to their respective choirs of ignorance, is the obvious self contradiction that is so readily apparent to anyone with a moderate amount of intelligence and minimal degree of skepticism.

Fortunately, the reality is….change is far more rapid, than in previous times and information challenging the mythology of “history written by the victors” is rapidly taking hold…..so you have a choice, you can continue to babble and be part of the problem, protecting what ever it is you are afraid of losing……in which case, you will in the end simply be exposed for what you are…..and discarded.

For those here, who would like to understand what “american capitalism” is…..here is
another myth busting ball against the wall of willfull ignorance……

Debt The First 5000 Years: David Graeber

Good point, Ben. When they run out of other peoples’ money they’re screwed.

Galt repeats his ignorant statement about derivatives from yesterday — “which is impresseive fear mongering until we get to the 791 trillion in unregulated derivatives”.
And as I said yesterday, derivatives, like all financial instruments, are heavily regulated. And nobody has to participate in the Derivatives’ markets if they don’t want. For some reason, Derivatives have become the new Liberal whipping boys. Maybe because most people don’t understand what they are? At any rate, if you’re in that category read this:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv17n4/reg17n4b.html

Galt says — “The reality is, that the bill was crafted by the health insurance industry and drug companies…..an actual socialist bill would have been single payer”.
It doesn’t matter what you call it, Socialism or Fascism, it is still detrimental to the citizens to have the disinterested middle-man (Government) involved in our voluntary medical decisions. How could it possibly be healthy for the citizens to have an expensive middle-man with the Power of Force intervening in our medical decisions and deciding who gets what scarce medical resources? And that middle-man, once established will be almost impossible to fire if we don’t like the outcome. We can’t just switch plans like one could do in a Free Enterprise situation. I love voluntary transactions. In fact, I just fired my satellite provider and switched to another because I wasn’t happy with them. I can’t offer a similar example for Health Care Insurance because I don’t buy any. I don’t bet against the probabilities that I will suffer misfortune — which is the only way I can get rewarded financially (not a very desirable event).
Free Choice — what every Liberal claims they have a right to when it comes to killing babies. But for some strange inconsistent reason they don’t allow us that same Free Choice about our own bodies. Of course those of us, who can actually think, know that what the Liberals really want is our money.

The amazing reasoning of DavidH. 300 billion of U.S. Treasuries dumped on the open
( free? ) market could cause a catastrophe according to the fear mongering Myer’s,
17 trillion in possible debt, to 87 trillion because of “socialist Obama Care” which is actually as explained a capialist bill, preserving profits for insurance and drug companies,
these too present huge problems…….791 trillion in UNREGULATED DERIVATIVES,
not a problem…….but Mr. DavidH, fails to identify the REGULATOR”S AGAIN.

And he seems to have forgotten very recent history, the nobel prize winning quants, who founded Long Tern Capital Management ( the inventors of derivatives ) and single handedly almost crashed the U.S. Market BEFORE Glass Stegal was repealed…..and after that lesson, the crash of 2008 was caused by UNREGULATED DERIVATIVES….and that isn’t over yet…..

And you are growing tiresome….so please note the following, all my posts here are directed at the author of the main piece…..and they are, of course free to respond…but
this won’t happen…..and it won’t be done well if it is…..

Whatever your purpose here sir, and whatever you have that you think is being threatened……you appear to be a person who is so locked into a position, that in order for the world to move forward, we shall just have to wait until you die…….not that you actually have any power, intellectually or otherwise…..

The saddest part of all of this is that you seem to be somewhat clueless as to the actual positions of your host…..so you might want to run through his suggested reading list,
because a few of the selections will be a shock for you……as I said, when you are engaged in the babble business……you just have to keep talking…..unfortunately,
this tends to lead to mistakes and inconsistencies…..especially if your agenda, conflicts with reality or distorts it.

You do not have this problem, David…..your reality is one framed by a philosophy which was never valid, supported by a history which never happened and since you will do nothing to change this or risk the possibility of changing it, your mind is closed…and discussion is pointless.

Typical LIB-TARD to use the “party line” to pass blame onto those TRYING to PRESERVE this Republic, while he’s busy ‘occupying’ something!
At least he got his name, personality crisis, correct!
Hey, LACK of personality, why not go back to your ILLEGAL anarchist occupying rallies, and leave the IMPORTANT discussion to the ADULTS!
Who lets these MORONS into this site, anyway?

Check out GALT below – he is right on the truth of what has happened and is happening. You all have fallen for the Koch Brothers/Tea Party line that will insure that the rich get very, very rich, and the insurance companies will own us all. that is called captialo-fascism, and that is where we are headed – ala Hitler, Mussolin, Tojo, Idi Amin. You asked for it, you’ll get it, and you 99%ers will suffer beyond human comprehension. I wish it were just the Kochs and the Tea Partiers who would suffer, but you greed and fear mongers will bring us all down.

You appear to be experiencing what Psychologists call “Projection.” Projestion occurs when you see your own faults in others, but not in yourself.

Can you say FEMA camp?

Speakin’ of libtards! Hey GALT, dude! You’re deeper than whale sh!t!!! You’re more full of yourself than our bud Deerinwhatever! And man, that’s FULL!!!! I don’t know why someone who believes that they’re as smart as you obviously believe that you are would belittle themselves by conversing with the riff-raff!… A$$hole!!!
It should be pc.2 Jerry! LOL!!!
I’d be absolutely amazed if you weren’t occuping your parents basement!

Sir, I gather from your statement that you are incapable of rendering constructive criticism. In this case, I suspect you are a typical uneducated American who follows the path of the Marxist Doctrine, which has the tendency of leading the human brian to go numb. Through the philosophy of the Marxist Doctrine, some individuals succumb to the three easy steps of liberalism, socialism, and then, the final stage and normalization of communism. This is when the human brain is buried in a concrete block where nothing of “sound reasoning” will ever get through. Popularly known as “brain-washing.”

Allow me to put it in the following simple verbal formula you may be able to understand….

Marxist Doctrine = *liberalism + socialism = communism* This how the “Communist Rule for Revolution” guide book sucks the life out of the feeble-minded human brain. Promise them anything and they will come running like little sheeps.

MSGT JOHN CORREA
USAF (RET)

@personalitycrisis2: appropriately named! Who are you calling “winged”? Liberalism is a disease; symptoms include stupid!

Hey PC2. You say nothing of value. Just hurl insults with no substance. Typical liberal trollism. You prove Michael Savage correct when he says liberalism is a form of mental illness… and I don’t care to listen to him either. That’s because he sounds like the right wing version of YOU! That’s something to think about. Now I’ll have to watch Mr. Roots presentation. Have a great day.

Ellen, let’s not forget about the LEFTIST’S bed partners, the Trial Lawyers, who just LOVE to sue anyone involved in health care!
Trial Lawyers, and the rash of lawsuits have made medicine a DEFENSIVE proposition, and the medical professionals are paying half of their earnings just in malpractice insurance, to defend themselves against the hungry sharks!
TORT REFORM would go a LONG WAY in lowering health care costs, but this has been the LEFT’S plan for decades; drive up the costs, through frivolous lawsuits, and then have the Government come to the rescue!

Bull roar – the health insurance companies control 1/16th of the economy, and the $50 aspirin tablet someone is bitching about is a product of their collusion with the hospital monopoly. The government can’t do worse than that no matter how hard it tried.