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The Devils We Know

March 27, 2012 by  

The Devils We Know
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In 2008, the Republicans offered Senator John McCain in retort to the insult which is Obama.

Let me warn you right now: If the idea of President Barack Hussein Obama continuing his occupation of the Oval Office past next January will ruin your day, click through to the Personal Liberty Digest’s™ cheerfully presented tips on health and finance. They’re entirely worthwhile expert opinions and what’s more—they’re free.

Meanwhile, those of you who continue perusing this piece must confront this premise: barring a miraculous removal of Republican heads from Republican posteriors, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney is going to win the Republican nomination for President of the United States. Extremely well-capitalized (as opposed to well-versed, well-prepared or well-vetted), Romney will then set about introducing his Vice Presidential nominee to the Nation while engaging Obama in combat. But I fear Romney will be unable to reassure voters who are increasingly hungry for respite from the unrelenting disaster which is the Obama Presidency. In an effort to counter Obama’s far-flung big-state liberalism, the GOP has selected as its standard-bearer a big state liberal; albeit a less awkwardly gangly one with better hair.

Obama is dominated by billionaire vermin such as George Soros and Warren Buffett. If he was any more beholden to the union thugs, Richard Trumka would be the Secretary of Labor. And his ties to Wall Street banksters like Goldman Sachs are stitched tighter than a pop singer’s hair extensions. Meanwhile, the names on Romney’s best friends list might be different, but they were all dressed by the same tailor.

In 2008, a majority of American voters swallowed the empty, race-baiting hype surrounding a little-known but reasonably polished-seeming Senator from Illinois. Following a campaign long on nonspecific catchphrases and overt support from the corporate media, Obama stepped into the Oval Office and immediately set about rearranging the national furniture. By 2010, the same American voters, fully aware of the spectacular mistake they made in electing Obama, set about correcting that mistake at the polls. And ideologically welded to Obama, Democrats from Capitol Hill to small-town mayors’ offices packed up their family photos, raided the supply closet for one last box of toner cartridges and headed home. Even the Democrats who managed to keep their paws on their offices had to fight tooth and nail to do it.

In 2008, the Republicans offered Senator John McCain in retort to the insult which is Obama. Despite slight mitigation in the form of Governor Sarah Palin’s presence on the ticket, the Republicans failed to offer anything more than Obama-lite, and the electorate responded with the same lack of enthusiasm the Republicans displayed in choosing McCain in the first place. By 2010, the GOP seemed to have developed an understanding of the disdain Americans show toward those who threaten liberty in the name of some twisted and/or stupid concept of the greater good. Unfortunately, the lesson clearly didn’t stick.

Indeed, when one factors in no fewer than four highly questionable primary or caucus outcomes, the Republican establishment is showing signs of not only forgetting what they learned at electoral politics class, but cribbing from the Democrats’ textbooks. Behind Romney in an increasingly suspect Republican race for the nomination lurks the unsettling Rick Santorum (“Republicans, I think to our credit, have sort of morphed away from the Goldwater idea that really government just needs to be smaller..”) and the unpalatable Newt Gingrich. Congressman Ron Paul, who is clearly the only candidate remaining who considers the preservation of true Constitutional liberties a matter of absolute honor, has been shut out of the spotlight thanks to a political establishment which—from the White House to Speaker John Boehner’s office—hopes that if they wish upon a star, he’ll go away. Short of that, they’ll behave like ACORN volunteers “community organizing” their desired outcome.

The odds of Paul surviving through a brokered convention are worse than the odds of MSNBC hiring a primetime mouthpiece who isn’t struggling with a serious personality disorder. And a third-party run would simply relegate Paul to the role of Ross Perot, version 2.0. Simply put: Mitt Romney is probably going to win the nomination; and he will probably select a running mate who is almost as exciting as one of those annoying precinct captains who thinks voting at the convention is the coolest thing he or she has done since that time they got their picture taken with the showgirls in Las Vegas. For those of you who have ever attended a major Republican gathering, you know precisely to whom I’m referring: the guy with campaign buttons dating back to Ford/Dole ’76 tacked to his lapel.

Therefore, I feel compelled to make a remark which may well shock you even more than my earlier prediction that Obama will likely be reelected this fall: so be it. If the Republican Party is content to react to Barack Obama’s almost virtually criminal arrogance by offering a more telegenic version of—well—Barack Obama, then they deserve to lose my vote… for starters. It’s entirely possible that the Republican establishment risks political oblivion in nominating a candidate who only edges Obama in the hair and wardrobe departments. Perhaps that’s a fate they’ve earned.

Conservatives have repeatedly been forced to hold their noses and cast ballots for candidates who are only marginally better than the shrieking liberals whom they oppose. As a result of our own excessive flexibility, we have unwittingly played a part in allowing an incremental shift in the Republican Party away from its conservative roots and toward the sort of monster-government espoused by the Democrats and their hordes of dependent minions.

I am no longer willing to select the lesser of two evils on Election Day. I will acknowledge that casting a third party ballot carries an inherent gamble: the reelection of Barack Obama. But given the Republicans’ intransigence in moving toward the true conservatism demanded by the people, they have hardly earned the right to replace him. Presuming we can survive four more years of “the madness of King Barack,” another four years of Democrats in the White House might finally wake us all up to the fact that we can do much, much better.

-Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • dan

    Don’t vote the party…vote THE MAN : Ron Paul

    Romney can’t possibly win

    • Shane

      Ron Paul can? Dan, Dan, Dan!!! Obama thanks you for your vote.

      • STEVE E.

        No, Obama will thank you for your RINO vote.

    • Vigilant

      dan, I’ll say to you what I said to Ben Crystal: welcome to the socialist wing of the Democratic Party. Your views and your vote will ensure the re-election of a communist.

    • Mel in Arizona

      Your head ‘s in the sand………or somewhere, dan. Are you still in your cave? Catch up on the news…….Paul? Really? And Mitt Romney has no chance??!! Really?! Wake up from your dream and look around. Turn on the radio, TV, or read a newspaper. In the real world, we have to make a decision as to who can best beat Obama, and it isnt Paul, sorry.
      Between Obama and Romney you can’t make a choice? You can’t see any difference in
      experience, morality, character, vision, belief in America, dedication to the Constitution……
      REALLY?!!

      • AKay

        That’s your problem, Mel. You keep watching the MSM as if it’s legitmate. TPTB want you to keep repeating the drivel that Ron Paul is unelectable, that Romney is the only chance, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum. Ron Paul BEATS every other candidate in a head to head match up with Obama. That is a national poll! Quit regurgitating the MSM spoon-fed claptrap. Do some real research, instead of spouting fear-mongering, fatalist rhetoric. The STATUS QUO is a FAILURE.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Funny Mel, with me it’s been just the opposite…by not listening to the radio and not watching TV I have avoided the political ads and the MSM indoctrinatin and propaganda that seems to have gobbled you up. I used the internet as my source of info and background…and, of course, Libertarian and Constitutionally conservative websites full of discussion from every walk of life. Oh, don’t get me wrong, I watch TV and listen to the radio…I’m just very aware of the message that’s intended for the sheeple.(Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive ablilities of their own)

    • Shane

      Steve E, what a waste. Those that know me, know me as a very conservative individual. But I’m no political luddite. Belief in anything can be dangerous, without rational common sense.

      You can also judge a man by what he eats. My mother told me so. You can judge a man by whom he willing assoicates with. My father told me that.

      There’s a considerable following on this site, that I would follow both my parents advice on.

      • STEVE E.

        If something is not right, it must be destroyed and replaced with something that is right. I bet your mommy and daddy didn’t teach you that.

  • George Castady

    Anyone who comes close to thinking that Romney and Obama are close to the same thing has lost their mind. They are the kind of proud individual who would sacrafice their country’s well being for the sake of their ideologly. Sure, it would be nice to have Reagan back, but he’s dead now and the Republican party has to learn how to walk again before they can mount with wings as eagles. John McCain did make me puke but to throw out the baby with the bathwater when so much is at stake is just out and out irresponsible.

    • Mel in Arizona

      THANK YOU, George. You are so right. It is so clear, yet……..there are so many that fail to grasp this simple concept. Again, thanks!

  • Moby49

    As an independent with moderate tendencies, your shrill calls of “off with their heads” could be the reason why you keep losing. You scare the bejesus out of the rest of us.

    • FreedomFighter

      You sir should not be afraid of “us” we are sheep just like you, only we have peeked over the fence and have seen what is coming…

      Destruction of the United States, theft of American resources, enslavement of American population thru debt and police state

      New World Order government

      Extermination of 60 to 90 percent of the worlds population, thru war, starvation and contagion.

      Genetic manipulation of remaining population into mental and physical stunted beings that are slaves to the elite, controlled by drugs

      *AGE OF DECEIT*

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmFm8PIz8M

      Does not matter what you believe, they the elite believe in there god Lucy.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • kkflash

      Please help me understand your point of view. What is an “independent with moderate tendencies”?

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear kkflash,

        It sounds like someone standing in the middle of the road looking at his feet.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Sirian

        No wonder we have such problems with traffic – independent moderates are standing in the middle of the road looking at their feet. . . :) That’s a good one Bob!!!!

  • FreedomFighter

    I am no longer willing to select the lesser of two evils on Election Day.

    IMHO both parties are compromised, the entire system is compromised, unless we as a country stand up on our hind legs and show some backbone, America is lost.

    IMHO nothing short of armed revolution will fix the country if Obama is re- elected. Sad thing is, thats what the Powers want — so they can kill all resistence b4 the rest of the sheep wake up and we are to many.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Aniko

      “Armed revolution” will guarantee a dictator for life in the person of Obama as Secretary of the UN! You are a blood thirsty fool who cannot see the tree from the forest!

      • kkflash

        It sounds to me like you’re saying you’ll support Obama if and when he names himself dictator, rather than take up arms to protect your own rights. Have a fairly characterized your position?

      • kkflash

        ‘scuse the typo… Have I fairly characterized your position?

      • Shane

        Aniko, be wary before signing up under kkFlash’s army. He’ll be the first to slink to the safety of home and hearth should insurection take place.

        Those that that talk the most about what they will do, will do the most that is the opposite of what they boost.

        Find Steve E or Viglant, you’ll find kkFlash. Hiding in women skirts. Just look for skinny hairy legs shaking. What a sight.

      • FreedomFighter

        The Constitution of the United States of America

        Article II

        Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

        Obama making himself a dictator is High Treason,

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Vigilant

        Shane says, “Find Steve E or Viglant, you’ll find kkFlash.”

        I believe you have misunderstood my posts. Please go back and read them again.

  • TML

    Ben Crystal, “And a third-party run would simply relegate Paul to the role of Ross Perot, version 2.0”

    Only in the mind of fools would Ron Paul be relegated based on a past third party candidate whom didn’t even hold similar principles and policies, and certainly didn’t have the support that Dr. Paul has.

    Ben Crystal, “I am no longer willing to select the lesser of two evils on Election Day. I will acknowledge that casting a third party ballot carries an inherent gamble”

    It’s great to see people waking up, and standing up.

    “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” – John Quincy Adams

    • Shane

      TML!!! Thank you.

      You may send your contributions via the web at: nutjobsforobama.org

    • Shane

      TML, the gist of comment by Ben, and those that have made comments. Is that they will be voting Ron Paul third party. Which is vote for Obama.

      So again. Send your “additional” contributions to nutjobsforobama.org

      I did not critize those for voting for Ron Paul in the primary. But those that do in the general election as a third party canidate. Will actually be voting for Obama.

      You know that.

      Others know that.

      Just get some balls and admit it.

      • TML

        Shane says, “Is that they will be voting Ron Paul third party. Which is vote for Obama.”

        Non sequitur (does not logically follow) and circular argument.
        A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Ron Paul… not for Obama.

        Who’s the nut-job here?

        Shane says, “You know that.”

        No I don’t know that…

        Shane says, “Others know that.”

        Neither do you or others know that, as if you/they are omniscient. If others voted for Ron Paul on the principles they themselves stand for, such as personal liberty and limited constitutional government, then Ron Paul would win the election, and not Obama. Your statement that a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama, is made through mere assumption gained through the perpetration of yet another logical fallacy of argumentum ad nauseam that ‘Ron Paul has no chance’, thereby creating the full circular argument.

        Shane says, “Just get some balls and admit it.”

        I will not admit your logical fallacies

      • STEVE E.

        Another example of a RINO voter who is brainwashed by the GOP Establishment Wholesale Brainwashing Machine. A vote for a RINO is a vote for Obama.

      • kkflash

        It ‘s a real laugh to hear “get some balls” from a eunuch without the guts to stand up for his principles. If you have an issue with Ron Paul or his political positions, go ahead and say so. If you support his views, but won’t vote for him, then you can just cluck your way back to the hen house.

      • Shane

        TML, you’re reply comment is mere gibberish. You comprehend not, as you are closed to listening to the opinions of others. Rational or not.

        I don’t have to be for or against Ron Paul, to realize that a vote for him or any other so called conservative candidate, is a vote away from the eventual Republican candiate. Thus a vote for Obama.

        Now you know what my point was that you replied on. You choose to ignore either out of ignorance or malice. I care not at this time which.

        TML, you also know that Ron Paul can not get elected in 2012 in the General Election as a third party. So poke me with your puny arguments. Feels good.

        Hell, he can’t even win the Republican primary. So take your sore grapes home, as a pithy ignorant sore loser. kkFlash and Steve E can form your little self patting click. Where rational, fair, honest points of discussion are not allowed.

        I actually like some of Ron Pauls stands. Am friends with quite a few die hard Ron Paul backers. This is not personal. Unlike TML, Steve E, kkFlash and many others on this site. I keep my eyes open, my ears cleared, and comments few. Easier to listen, when not verbalizing.

        Ron Paul will not win the primary. Nor does he have a chance as a third party in Novermber. A conservative vote for Ron Paul or Newt, or any other so-called candiate will take away votes from the eventual Republican nominee, however less than ideal.

        You know that. So stop your childish gibberish. Explain how your vote will make it better for my children and those of my friends. With another four years of Obama.

        I’ll vote for a three legged dog over Obama, if he has a REAL chance of winning in November.

        Ben Crystal can’t be that blinded.

      • TML

        Shane says, “TML, you’re reply comment is mere gibberish.”

        It’s not gibberish, it’s Latin.

        Non Sequitur (“It does not follow”) is the simple fallacy of stating, as a conclusion, something that does not strictly follow from the premises.

        Argumentum ad nauseam (argument to the point of disgust; i.e., by repitition). This is the fallacy of trying to prove something by saying it again and again. But no matter how many times you repeat something, it will not become any more or less true than it was in the first place.

        Circulus in demonstrando (circular argument). Circular argumentation occurs when someone uses what they are trying to prove as part of the proof of that thing.

        Shane says, “You comprehend not, as you are closed to listening to the opinions of others. Rational or not.”

        I comprehend plenty. There is a difference between being closed to listening to the opinions of others, and engaging them under scrutiny. Just because you fail to convince me to espouse your opinion doesn’t mean I’ve closed off to hearing it, or agreeing that you have a right to your opinion.

        Shane says, “I don’t have to be for or against Ron Paul, to realize that a vote for him or any other so called conservative candidate, is a vote away from the eventual Republican candiate. Thus a vote for Obama.”

        Yet, such a statement presupposes that the eventual candidate will not be Ron Paul. Such statements have been regurgitated repetitiously ever since the debates began. Your conclusion “a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama” is the same as your premise. In other words, you are using what you are trying to prove as part of the proof, using logic which does not strictly follow from the premise, and repeating it over and over hoping I will agree with you.

        Shane says, “TML, you also know that Ron Paul can not get elected in 2012 in the General Election as a third party. So poke me with your puny arguments.”

        I’m sorry, but I really don’t know that, as I am not omniscient (able to see the future).

        Shane says, “Hell, he can’t even win the Republican primary.”

        Perhaps… but that is not even finished yet, so you’re shooting your wad a bit prematurely. Besides, the world is bigger than two sides of a coin, left/right, liberal/conservative, Democrat/Republican… so that doesn’t really mean anything in the General Election. Personally I believe that it is this false left/right paradigm idea that has people swallowing such fallacies that a Vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Touches ideas of absolution such as ‘if you’re not with us, you are against us’ mentality.

        Shane says, “Where rational, fair, honest points of discussion are not allowed.”

        They are certainly allowed here if you can present them.

        Shane says, “I actually like some of Ron Pauls stands. Am friends with quite a few die hard Ron Paul backers. This is not personal. Unlike TML, Steve E, kkFlash and many others on this site I keep my eyes open, my ears cleared, and comments few. Easier to listen, when not verbalizing.”

        Well, that’s good. Although, you assume I’m not listening. Indeed I am… and will concede your point if your can logically verbalize it. If your point doesn’t stand up to scrutiny than I will not accept it… if it does, I will concede.

        Shane says, “Ron Paul will not win the primary.”

        Perhaps… it’s not looking good, but it’s not over yet, so I don’t know that.

        Shane says, “Nor does he have a chance as a third party in Novermber.”

        Why?
        Shane says, “A conservative vote for Ron Paul or Newt, or any other so-called candiate will take away votes from the eventual Republican nominee, however less than ideal.”

        Naturally… yet it also takes away votes from the more liberal side of the spectrum… away from Obama, in fact.

        Ron Paul attracts people of all ages, race, and political parties. Many democrats even have registered as Republican to vote and support Ron Paul in his campaign. The problem is that you blindly exclude, for no logical reason, a third party candidate as being legitimate in the left/right paradigm.

        Shane says, “Explain how your vote will make it better for my children and those of my friends.”

        How will your vote make it better for your children and those of your friends? That’s the question you should concern yourself with. I will vote for principle, for liberty, for limited government, and the candidate that best represents them… one who is against unjustified unilateral military actions, intervention, and policing the world, and who is against the monetary tricks used to fund them… the tricks which are devaluating the dollar and putting my children, and their children’s children in debt. That’s what my vote will do for your children, my children, and those of our friends. I owe it to you and to them to remain steadfast on such principles.

        Shane says, “I’ll vote for a three legged dog over Obama, if he has a REAL chance of winning in November.”

        And yet, you won’t join us in voting for and electing Ron Paul? Again… how will YOUR vote make it better for my children, and those of my friends?

      • Shane

        TML, you have proved a point made earlier. Your incessant written verbage does not negate that Ron Paul will not win the Republican primary. Nor does he have a chance to win as a third party in November. While I concede, it’s possible for pigs to fly. Have not seen any, and don’t expect to see any fly pigs flying anytime soon. Ron Paul’s electability and the electability of Obama for a second term if Ron runs third party is and was my point to my comments.

        So your excessive gibberage, is just that. Gibberage. I say, would you accept a bet with ten to one odds on something of monetary value. I say Ron Paul does not take the republican primary. You say he could. Then lets back it up. Then I would be willing to give you a chance to win it back and then some, double-down the original bet, that Ron would not win in a third party race in November.

        In fact, would you bet your right arm, over my two and I’d throw in my two legs. I know the bet is crass. But the point is that one such as yourself can say anything. Make preposterous claims that you would never back up with anything of value as risk collateral. Just talk, talk, talk. Just how many angels can fit on the head of a needle? If one knew the answer, how does that help our citizens at this time. You’re comment is just that. Wasted talk, as you do not present any factual or even a good opinionated piece on how Ron will win. Why you believe it. Oh, yes! Pigs fly. Can you show me the photos? Not photo shopped.

        Till pigs fly. TML, keep those fingers of yours on the keys, as I suppose it’s therapeutic for those of your ilk. Just keep repeating what you believe. Ignore the facts. Change the subject if proven wrong. Most of all, never, ever, admit you’re wrong. No matter how obvious circumstances present themself.

      • The Yakima Kid

        Not interested in Romney, Obama, Santorum or Gingerich. Why should I care if it is the Right or the Left that is violating my rights?

        BTW – the myth that Ron Paul is being “bought off” by Romney for an office for his son is just that – it was started by yet another NeoCon.

        If you want to know why the Republican Party is disappearing – just look at Romney, Gingerich and Santorum and the Republican establishment that has played fast and loose to give us such wonderful candidates as these, McCain, and Palin. With a little help from the liberal media, they’ve guaranteed us another regime indistinguishable from Saudi, or any other state that locks up citizens indefinitely without charges.

    • Vigilant

      “Only in the mind of fools would Ron Paul be relegated based on a past third party candidate whom didn’t even hold similar principles and policies, and certainly didn’t have the support that Dr. Paul has.”

      TML, you just called Ben Crystal a fool. Better make up you your mind which side you’re on.

      • TML

        Vigilant, “TML, you just called Ben Crystal a fool.”

        It is foolish to make such a basless connection. Better?

        Vigilant, “Better make up you your mind which side you’re on.”

        Could you elaborate on that? I follow ‘truth’, where ever it may lead.

      • Shane

        Vigilant, you’re an idiot. Ron Paul can’t even win a state in the Republican primary. What makes you think that a liberal democrat would pick a third party candidate such as Ron Paul over Obama in November?

        You know it can’t happen. Which quarantees a Obama re-election.

        Vigilant, what exactly is your purpose on this site? To throw the election to Obama?

        The argument is not what you wish, or I wish. But what can we obtain this minute, this day, this month, this year.

        Those that wish another four years of Obama under the excuse that one or all of the present candidates running against Obama don’t meet the litmus test is troubling.

        It would seem that we have many Manchurian want-to-be’s on this site. Or someone at the asylum has loosen the internet access requirements.

      • Vigilant

        “It is foolish to make such a basless [sic] connection. Better?”

        Not really. Ben Crystal said, “And a third-party run would simply relegate Paul to the role of Ross Perot, version 2.0.” Mr. Crystal made the connection. You are saying he is foolish to make the connection, which you now compound by calling it baseless.

        Logic’s a terrible weapon, especially when used against you.

      • TML

        “It is foolish to make such a basless [sic] connection. Better?”

        Vigilant, “Not really. Ben Crystal said, “And a third-party run would simply relegate Paul to the role of Ross Perot, version 2.0.” Mr. Crystal made the connection. You are saying he is foolish to make the connection, which you now compound by calling it baseless.”

        Well, it is foolish to make the connection because there is no logical basis for such. I rephrased so as not to be confused with a personal attack.

        Vigilant, “Logic’s a terrible weapon, especially when used against you.”

        You called me on a possible ad hominem – I rephrased – and still have not offered a basis for the connection. The Rose Perot campaign can not reasonably be connected with the Ron Paul campaign, and attempts to do so seem merely to support the non sequitur that a ‘vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama’.

        So… how are you using logic against me?

      • Vigilant

        Crystal: ““And a third-party run would simply relegate Paul to the role of Ross Perot, version 2.0.”

        TML: ““Only in the mind of fools would Ron Paul be relegated based on a past third party candidate whom didn’t even hold similar principles and policies, and certainly didn’t have the support that Dr. Paul has.”

        I rest my case. I have to assume you have an understanding of the English language.

      • TML

        Vigilant, “I rest my case. I have to assume you have an understanding of the English language.”

        Do you want me to apologize?

        Ok… I apologize for arbitrarily calling Ben foolish for such things.

        I’ll try again.

        It is an unsubstantiated claim that Ron Paul, in a third party run, would be, or should be, relegated… based on a past third party candidate whom didn’t even hold similar principles and policies, and certainly didn’t have the support that Dr. Paul has.

        Better? :)

        Now… would you like to attempt making a logical connection to support the claim, or not?

      • Vigilant

        “It is an unsubstantiated claim that Ron Paul, in a third party run, would be, or should be, relegated… based on a past third party candidate whom didn’t even hold similar principles and policies, and certainly didn’t have the support that Dr. Paul has.”

        TML, Mr. Crystal’s contention (and mine) is that the odds are greatly stacked in favor of major party success based on history, regardless of the principles and policies. It’s in the history books that “Third party candidates very rarely win any elections. For example, such a candidate only won a U.S. Senate election twice (0.6%) since 1990. Therefore, it is very rare to have a national officeholder not affiliated with and endorsed by one of the two major parties. Currently, there are only two U.S. Senators (Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders), who are neither Democrat nor Republican, while no U.S. Representative hails from outside the major parties. The only two U.S. Presidents without a major party affiliation were George Washington and Andrew Johnson.” (Wikipedia).

        I think that last sentence is very revealing. Moreover, only once since 1972 have Libertarian presidential candidates received more than 1% of the vote (1980, 1.1%), and none received even a million votes during all that time. If you don’t believe me, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Libertarian_Presidential_Election_Results_1972-2008.png

        Ross Perot took 18.9% of the popular vote (19,743,821) in his run, taking not one state but throwing the election to Clinton. You may disagree with me as a matter of opinion, but even if Paul garnered 20% of the popular vote, it’s unlikely that the electoral college results would follow, and he would end up being the spoiler as was Perot.

        I highly value the Constitutionalist positions of Dr. Paul, and I certainly wish him the very best, but I believe his real value is and has been directing the national political conversation to examine the founding values of the country and confirming that those values still exist. My belief is that he needs to continue working to modify the (Republican) party values from within rather than outside the loop.

        P.S. I apologize to you for the previous edginess of our exchange. You’ve seen me here enough to know that I get anally retentive about word meanings and the language, too much so sometimes.

      • TML

        I was hoping you would respond in full… I’ve been going over the wording, wondering what the hell I was missing, lol.

        Vigilant says, “TML, Mr. Crystal’s contention (and mine) is that the odds are greatly stacked in favor of major party success based on history, regardless of the principles and policies. It’s in the history books that “Third party candidates very rarely win any elections. For example, such a candidate only won a U.S. Senate election twice (0.6%) since 1990. Therefore, it is very rare to have a national officeholder not affiliated with and endorsed by one of the two major parties. Currently, there are only two U.S. Senators (Joe Lieberman and Bernie Sanders), who are neither Democrat nor Republican, while no U.S. Representative hails from outside the major parties. The only two U.S. Presidents without a major party affiliation were George Washington and Andrew Johnson.” (Wikipedia).

        I think that last sentence is very revealing. Moreover, only once since 1972 have Libertarian presidential candidates received more than 1% of the vote (1980, 1.1%), and none received even a million votes during all that time. If you don’t believe me, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Libertarian_Presidential_Election_Results_1972-2008.png”

        Historically, I concede… and would not and could not argue with the facts that third party candidates rarely win election. However…

        Vigilant says, “Ross Perot took 18.9% of the popular vote (19,743,821) in his run, taking not one state but throwing the election to Clinton.”

        …I take issue with the idea that Ross Perot ‘threw the election to Clinton’ merely because he ran as 3rd party. It is a fallacy to think that; because two things occur simultaneously, one must be a cause of the other, without a specific and direct chain of causation. Such claim is impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt and exists only in the laws of association, specifically the first law contiguity. In theoretical, and rhetorical retrospect; if the Republican Party candidate would have won, and remained in office, would Ross Perot then be considered by Republicans (or Democrats) to have thrown the election to Bush Sr.?

        I assert that Bush Sr. failed to garner enough votes to secure the election due to his own failures in office – raising taxes despite promises to the contrary, perceived recession, and war with Iraq (although Clinton did the same military action during his Monica Lewinsky scandal) – and not because Ross Perot had ‘stolen’ such votes.

        Vigilant says, “You may disagree with me as a matter of opinion, but even if Paul garnered 20% of the popular vote, it’s unlikely that the electoral college results would follow, and he would end up being the spoiler as was Perot.”

        I do disagree as a matter of opinion, even against historic evidence, based on the momentum that Ron Paul has achieved in comparison to such figures whom have been less successful running as a third party candidates. Did you, for example, value the Constitutional positions of Ross Perot? There are very rare instances of upset to the status quo, despite all odds, as evident in the founding of this country. Call me an optimist, but I believe that if the people joined together under the principles to which they truly believe in, we would have a third U.S. President without major party affiliation that sets the world stage.

        Vigilant says, “I highly value the Constitutionalist positions of Dr. Paul, and I certainly wish him the very best, but I believe his real value is and has been directing the national political conversation to examine the founding values of the country and confirming that those values still exist. My belief is that he needs to continue working to modify the (Republican) party values from within rather than outside the loop.”

        And I whole heartedly believe that even if he does not secure the nomination or even the election, such continued presence in direction and leadership of debates to the true issues of this country, are absolutely required into the general election.

        Vigilant says, “P.S. I apologize to you for the previous edginess of our exchange. You’ve seen me here enough to know that I get anally retentive about word meanings and the language, too much so sometimes.”

        No apology necessary… made me think hard about my words. :)

      • Vigilant

        “Call me an optimist, but I believe that if the people joined together under the principles to which they truly believe in, we would have a third U.S. President without major party affiliation that sets the world stage.”

        Wholeheartedly agree, and it’s something I would much desire to see. But, I’m either a pessimist or a realist, on two counts:

        (1) When you say, “if the people joined together under the principles to which they truly believe in…,” my question would be, “what do Americans today truly believe in?” My fears are that the media, politicians, the public so-called “education” system, and the universities, are grinding out purposely misinformed robots who have been programmed against Capitalism and dumbed down with no knowledge or appreciation of our history.

        (2) I’ve often observed that, historically, once you organize anything it turns to merde. The pure ideals and lofty aspirations of a movement always fall prey to the power-seeking, corrupt criminals and snake oil salesmen who have no interest in it beyond what they can scam. Churches, charities, political movements, etc., always morph over time to something quite different. My fear is that the movement you speak of would ultimately become a haven for the corrupt and self-serving, as have the Dems and Repubs.

  • YesCubanB

    If only the party weren’t hijacked by these current extreme, paranoid, radical nutjobs currently in office maybe the party of Nixon would be taken a little more serious. Looks like Obama’s gonna get for more years. Republicansforobamadotorg

  • Ken Kelley

    There are three ways to vote for Obama.
    #1. Go into the voting booth and actively vote FOR Obama.
    #2. Stay home and don’t vote.
    #3. Vote for a third-party candidate who (almost by definition) has no chance of winning.

    • Aniko

      # 4 Write in on the ballot Ron Paul

    • STEVE E.

      #5 Don’t vote for Ron Paul and vote for the RINO

    • kkflash

      As long as you think like that, and continue to spread your tripe, you can’t call yourself a conservative. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

  • sabulaman

    Ben, surely you’re not suggesting that you will vote for Obama, as opposed to Romney, as if there is little difference?

    • Vigilant

      That’s precisely what he’s suggesting.

    • kkflash

      I think the author is very clear in his last paragraph, that he’ll not do what you suggest, but will vote his principles and his conscience, even if it means risking another 4 years of the abomination that is Obama.

      • Vigilant

        He said, “I am no longer willing to select the lesser of two evils on Election Day. I will acknowledge that casting a third party ballot carries an inherent gamble: the reelection of Barack Obama.”

        In other words, he admits the “gamble” could mean the re-election of Obama, period.

        Parse words all you want, the cause and effect relationship holds.

  • Tazio2013

    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/03/14-defining-characteristics-of-fascism.html

    14 Defining Characteristics of [Amero]-Fascism: The U.S. in 2012

    When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross. — Sinclair Lewis, It Can’t Happen Here. (1935)

    Gregory Patin
    Activist Post

    In the spring of 2003, ex-corporate executive and political scientist Lawrence W. Britt published an essay in Free Inquiry magazine entitled “Fascism Anyone?” In his work, Britt examined the traits of the two governments that formed the original historical model for fascism, Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, and five other protofascist regimes that imitated that model, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. He identified 14 characteristics that were common to all of them.

    These traits have since been widely accepted as the 14 defining characteristics of fascism.

    Nearly three generations removed from the horrors of Nazi Germany, all of these regimes have been overthrown, but fascism’s principles can still be found in many nations. History tends to repeat itself because many leaders and nations fail to learn from history, or they draw the wrong conclusions. Sadly, historical amnesia is the norm in the world today.

    In the U.S., leaders, teachers, media and citizens proudly claim that America is a democratic society with certain freedoms and rights guaranteed to all citizens by the Constitution, Bill of Rights and rule of law. But is that really the case?

    A close look at the 14 characteristics of fascism in light of what has changed in America in the past few years may raise some questions as to whether or not Americans truly live in a democratic society.

  • T. Jefferson

    Ron Paul is the most consistent conservative on the ballot. Romney, Santorum and Gingritch are no better than RINO’s.

    • Shane

      Joch itch is better than testiclar cancer. But “T” you’re already mentally neutered. What’s the harm in losing your balls also? So vote third party in November.

      • DaveH

        At least he had a mind to begin with.

  • Jane

    I see that “personal liberty” is bent on electing Obama again. I wish you people would just shut up.

    • DaveH

      As we wish you would, Jane.

  • charles cross

    Since Reagan republican pres. canidates have been a cruel joke on the Amerikan people. They promise the moon and deliver the outhouse. I have heid my nose for 30 years. Bush lite was the worst of all, except for two subpreme justicies

  • Dave67

    Lets see here… The author wants to say that liberals are the problem and that America can be saved by conservatism (ie Reagan Revolution style conservatism)

    Lets look at the conservative record shall we?

    Conservatives opposed women’s right to vote, equal rights for minorities, the SS safety net.
    Reagan conservatives started us down the road of tax cut and borrow that exploded our national debt.
    The two largest attacks on American interests by foriegners in the past 30 years were committed under conservative administrations (Lebanon and 9/11).. Reagan cut and ran… Bush used 9/11 to go into Iraq
    Conservatives used 9/11 to invade and occupy Iraq
    While Conservatives got us into two wars, they past tax cuts for the wealthy (hey, military people!!! How did you like shouldering all the sacrifice for the two conservative’s wars? Did you enjoy your 4 or 5 tours while the wealthy made out like bandits?)
    What happened to the National Debt during 2001-2006? It exploded…

    Funny now conservatives say they have all the correct answers… Pity when they had the power, they spent like drunken sailors, they failed horribly to protect this nation and the wealth gap widened greatly.

    But keep on drinking the kool-aid that conservatives know what they are doing and know how to lead… Their record… shows otherwise.

    Conservatives are the most scared people on the planet… They fear terrorism so they gave us the Patriot Act…. They fear knowledge so they like to ban books, movies etc…

    Conservatism? No thanks…. We have seen your record…It stinks.

    • http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/14/rush-to-judgment/?eiid= John

      You are one confused and misguided puppy dog Dave. I’ll give you the R’s on Patriot Act and the one the Pres. just signed allowing indefinite incarceration without trial of Americans who have been deemed an unidentified “security threat”, but… On nearly every point you have it exactly bass ackwards. The R’s fought for equal rights, the D’s fought it to the end. Reagan agreed to a $1 t ax increase for every $2 spending cut. The Dem. congress raised taxes AND spending. You may not have been around when every budget submitted by Reagan was greeted by a Democrat’s press conference announcing it “Dead on Arrival”. That was back when the President (following the law) submitted a budget to Congress and the Congress (as required by law) would review, amend, and pass it. I’m sure you are aware that is something that has not occurred in the 3+ years of the Obama administration. Keep getting ALL your information from Left Wing sources and “don’t worry – be happy”.

      • Dave67

        John,

        Did I use the term (R)? No… I used conservatives…. Nice conservative trick though…You guys know your record stinks…

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/14/rush-to-judgment/?eiid= John

        Ok Dave, you’re right. Now would list some “Conservative” members of the Democrat party so I can see just who it is you are talking about. Lord knows we have darn few on the Republican side.

      • Dave67

        John,

        Most Democrats in the South are conservatives, the Dixiecrats that switched to the GOP in the 1960′s and 1970′s, Ben Nelson, he is a conservative…. The Bluedogs….

        Brad,

        Love you too…. kisses… Clinton was part of the problem as was Reagan and your boy Bush who told us to use your home as a bank? Reagan’s policies failed this country in the long run… Even his people now admit to his failures.

        SC Murf,

        So your ideology never divides huh? Do tell…. Its never conservatives that do anything wrong… Amazing isn’t it? How wonderful for you… Between that and church, your side absolves themselves from all the evils that they do….

      • Mark in LA

        Why does Reagan always get a pass with you people. Reagan wasted trillions on weapons he knew weren’t needed, thats where the deficits came from and it is where the Democratic intransigence came from. In addition, Reagan always rolled over without any fight. This is like the idiots claiming Reagan was “deceived” when he signed the amnesty that destroyed America. However,the real truth is that the Reagan adminstration told Simpson that the amnesty came first. The Reagan administration was processing the applications so fast that there was massive fraud – the Republicans probably deluded themselves into thinking they were creating new Republican voters. The most fraud ridden provisions of the law were placed their by Republican congressmen at the behest of farmers who wanted cheap fieldhands.

      • DaveH

        Mark says — “Why does Reagan always get a pass with you people. Reagan wasted trillions on weapons he knew weren’t needed, thats where the deficits came from and it is where the Democratic intransigence came from. In addition, Reagan always rolled over without any fight.”.
        Make up your mind, Mark. First He (as if acting alone) “wasted trillions on weapons”. And then you say he rolled over without a fight. Either the weapons were his idea or not. You can’t have it both ways, Mark.
        And Trillions?
        In 1980 (the year before Reagan got in office) total defense spending was $168 Billion.
        In 1981 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $194 billion
        In 1982 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $222 billion
        In 1983 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $247 billion
        In 1984 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $269 billion
        In 1985 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $295 billion
        In 1986 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $314 billion
        In 1987 (Reagan’s first year) total defense spending was $320 billion
        In 1988 (Reagan’s last year) total defense spending was $330 billion
        So, even if the extra defense spending was only Reagan’s idea, and all the extra spending could be attributed solely to Reagan, it amounted to .85 Trillion, NOT Trillions.
        For all his faults, Reagan was the last President to take any kind of Principled stand against Big Government. The fact that he was ineffective was a tribute to the unbridled Spending urges of the US Congressmen.
        In fact, Reagan vetoed more Spending bills (78) than any other President in my lifetime. The rabidly spendthrift Congress overrode 9 of those vetoes.
        How many vetoes has Obama issued?

      • DaveH

        Then Mark says — “The most fraud ridden provisions of the law were placed their by Republican congressmen at the behest of farmers who wanted cheap fieldhands”.
        Have you ever considered the fact, Mark, that those “cheap fieldhands” have braved harsh conditions, even the possibility of death, to come here voluntarily and work for those cheap wages because their own Government has become what so many of you Liberals advocate and as a result, their economy is impoverished?
        How can your Liberal heart bleed for those US citizens who are impoverished due to their own lack of initiative, and then turn so cold against those who risk such hardship to earn their own money?

      • DaveH

        And, by the way, Mark, I trust Mises authors because they usually do their homework before they speak — unlike yourself.

      • Mark in LA

        No Dave they don’t do their homework. Like all economists they spout their opinions as though it were proven fact when it is just more speculation. The same kind of unfounded drivel that comes out of the mouths of political pundits. The problem with you Dave is you aren’t smart enough to see that their assertions are not proof of anything.

        If you think Reagan shrank government or was held back from doing so by the Democrats, then you are dumber than Reagan, if that is humanly possible. The only known person to actually be more stupid than him is is son Michael – you might be the second. Its amazing too that somebody calling himself conservative would support an amnesty of illegal aliens. One of the bedrock priciples of conservatism is respect for the law by everybody including the government. Reagan was no conservative.

      • DaveH

        Mark says — “No Dave they don’t do their homework”.
        Right there, Mark, you proved your lack of credibility. You have no idea what their knowledge or their efforts are.
        You are the one who is merely speculating, Mark. If you had any brains at all, you would see the inconsistency in your statement.
        I have seen no evidence of reason in your comments. You merely use personal attacks, slander, and other manipulative devices in a futile effort to win the debate without facts.
        You, Mark, are a typical controlling Liberal who can’t carry on a factual debate.

      • Smoke101

        Correct SIR! Daves a Progressive toad-schill! You can’t fix STUPID or have a conversation with a brain washed IDIOT!

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      F___ You Dave 67, Johnson, Carter and Clinton distroyed the nation with their fight to give everybody who did not earn the ability to own a house. The housing bubble were the means to all of our economic issues.

    • S.C. Murf

      dave67 you are still stuck in that old grid lock of lib vs conserv. You will never get it that it happens to be both sides against we the people. I believe it’s high time for you to make that POPPING SOUND please. You are part of the problem, go away

      up the hill
      airborne

    • STEVE E.

      Dave67, Just vote for Ron Paul and you will be alright.

      • Dave67

        Steve, I just may but he will NEVER get ther GOP corporatist nomination. Paul has some good ideas that need serious discussion but where he is out to lunch is the idea of the “free market” as it relates to global trade.

      • DaveH

        Dave67,
        You need desperately to read this book, and learn something before you open your mouth any further:
        http://mises.org/books/capitalism_kelly.pdf

        Free Trade is good for everybody except the Power Hungry Leaders and their Crony Capitalists.

  • Power To The People

    Time…I agree that we are willing players in a drama meant to pretend choices….but there are none. We supposedly choose Presidents thinking they have some grand power and ability to run the country all the while our debts continue to spiral out of control, our money continues to loose value, our rights continue to be abridged and we discuss who is more conservative or liberal.

    Folks, there are no conservative or liberal politicians. There are only power brokers and the rest of us! We lost our government a long time ago. Has anyone taken the time to think about how in the world McCain won the nomination last time? It was ordained by the established power brokers. He was the least favored by the average potential voter but won the nomination??

    I too hope for people of conviction to step forward and set the wheels in motion to bring about real ideas. They will never be allowed to get through the rigged system I am afraid.

    The only way we will get change to save our sinking nation will be when people finally realize the gig is up, the system is rigged and power has to be taken.

    • Jack Betz

      Power– I agree with you 100%. The Bible talks about this it is called ” the second law of thermal dynamics”

  • Dick Caruthers

    My feelings exactly. Thank You

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Well Obama it is then….Congratulations!!! Are you beginning to feel the urp coming up from where your balls once rested? Anyone you allows Obama to stay in office is a traitior and needs to be hung along the side of him when the pissed off people who want their country back catch up with the man who thinks he is KING!!

      • STEVE E.

        Then vote for Ron Paul. The RINO voters are the ones that will destroy the country because they did not vote for Ron Paul and just gave the vote to Obama. Ron Paul Voters are right. The RINO voters are the ones choosing the lessor of two evils.

      • Vicki

        Brad writes

        Anyone you allows Obama to stay in office is a traitior and needs to be hung along the side of him when the pissed off people who want their country back catch up with the man who thinks he is KING!!

        Keep that in mind when you vote. A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Just look at all the other choices.
        Obama, ObamaLite, Miniobama and so on. All big government politicians.

      • Smoke101

        Paul can’t even win a State!! Whats he got? 5 to8% support by rabid fans!!! Paulbots are just as bad as Obama voters!! Both cant be argued with–HAVING A BATTLE OF WITS WITH UNARMED PEOPLE IS POINTLESS! This countrys problems center around apathy and the SMARTEST ones in the room actually being the dumbest! If paul is not the nominee then he doesnt exist…you’ll figure this out when it’s TOO LATE! History repeats itself is redundant….get stocked up on food, water, and precious metals! (mostly LEAD) Paulbots-buy more KNEE PADS!!!

      • Vicki

        Smoke101 says:

        Paul can’t even win a State!!

        Perhaps there is a bit of voter fraud? http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/11175-ron-paul-hints-at-suspicion-of-election-fraud

      • Vicki

        And when the MSM covers voter fraud you know there is something there.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBx__69pkpY

      • Vicki

        And now a little demonstration on how easy it is to hack a popular electronic voting machine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwS4XMEr_qY

  • Lin

    By writing in Paul, or anyone else, or by just not voiting, you are voting for Obama. We cannot survive 4 more years of Obama. These next 4 yrs will be even worse. There will be no stopping him. Please put your feelings aside as to whether Romney’s consevative enough and vote the most conservative running. West and Rubio would be good, However, they are not in the race at this time.

    • TML

      “By writing in Paul, or anyone else, or by just not voting, you are voting for Obama.”

      Wrong… I would be voting my conscious; for the person/candidate that best represents my principles of personal liberty and limited constitutional government. Anything else is a false choice.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        TML you may not be allowed to have a consious if you allow Obama another 4 years

      • http://n/a AmFer

        “Taking the higher road” is not the best choice in this case. By letting a Democrat run the country (again) with, hopefully, a Republican House and Congress will perpetuate the stalemate and the “Democrat” we know, will use EXECUTIVE POWER. You lose!

      • TML

        Brad says, “if you allow Obama another 4 years”

        Voting for who I think is the best qualified candidate (Ron Paul) is not allowing Obama another 4 years. Voting for Obama would be.

      • TML

        AmFer says, “Taking the higher road” is not the best choice in this case.”

        It’s not about taking the ‘high road’. It’s about voting for the candidate that I think best. It is an assumption that voting for Ron Paul is a lost vote, perpetuated by the regurgitated argumentum ad nauseam fallacy that ‘he has no chance’ or is a ‘nut case’, kook, nut job, etc. and then ads the circular argument that to vote for Ron Paul is voting for Obama.

        Nonsense.

      • Aniko

        You don’t even know how to spell what you are voting (CONSCIENCE), let alone what it means! You are voting your stubbornness in spite of all the odds, just because it sounds so “conscientious”. Ron Paul has proven to be a non-entity in Congress throughout his THIRTY years there!

        Santorum is Gingrich’s understudy while the “star” is alive and well! One statesman that proved his mettle is there for taking yet most of us fell to the pricey lies against him, with a heavy dose of quotes taken out if time-referenced-context. Most have fallen for the “good looking millionaire” and his scorched earth campaign, not for his vision for America, but destroying the most threatening candidate to reach his goal of becoming “god” while still on Earth. Ron Paul NEVER attacked THIS menace to our next presidency, but nibbled at ALL the rest. WHY?? Who is the REAL spoiler in this nominating process?! He would like to pave his son’s future since he is well aware that he proved to be a NOBODY in the political world.

        I am thoroughly disgusted by the Ron Paul idolatry! The answer to our present problems (and it is myriads) is Newt Gingrich! Yet because every insider politician and the media fear him, we can’t see him. WE WILL get what we deserve with such nincompoops voting AND pontificating!

      • TML

        Aniko says, “You don’t even know how to spell what you are voting (CONSCIENCE), let alone what it means!”

        I apologize for the typo, but you did know what I was talking about. I am well aware of what it means.

        Aniko says, “You are voting your stubbornness in spite of all the odds”

        I suppose you could call it stubbornness. In matters of principle; stand like a rock.

        Aniko says, “Ron Paul has proven to be a non-entity in Congress throughout his THIRTY years there!”

        Obviously he has been, since we are discussing his campaign for the Presidency. What I find most intriguing, is that he has an undisputed consistent 30 year voting record, never wavering from his principles of personal liberty and limited constitutional government.

        Aniko says, “One statesman that proved his mettle is there for taking yet most of us fell to the pricey lies against him, with a heavy dose of quotes taken out if time-referenced-context. …destroying the most threatening candidate to reach his goal of becoming “god” while still on Earth.”

        Statements which seem better suited for Ron Paul, as most have fallen for the lies against him, given that he is the most threatening to ‘big brother government’.

        Aniko says, “Ron Paul NEVER attacked THIS menace to our next presidency, but nibbled at ALL the rest. WHY??”

        Perhaps because his better to concentrate on the issues at hand, and steer the debates, and help people understand his positions better in the short time he is given in each debate, rather than present unrelenting ad hominem to defame opponents… which is never good form.

        Aniko says, “I am thoroughly disgusted by the Ron Paul idolatry!”

        What is so disgusting about personal liberty and limited constitutional government? What exactly do you stand for? Being a supporter of Gingrich… do you even know what you stand for?

        “The answer to our present problems (and it is myriads) is Newt Gingrich!”

        Highly debatable… Gingrich is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you’re going to get.

      • kkflash

        Anniko, in Newt’s long political career, as well as in his personal life, the only thing he has proven is that he looks out for Newt Gingrich consistently. He certainly has no track record in protecting individual rights, or the principles of the Constitution. The reason he’s not able to gain any ground in the Republican race is that he doesn’t stand for anything. Of all the Republican candidates, I’d vote him “most likely to have his opinion decided for him by the special interests with the biggest campaign contribution.”

        Additionally, folks here don’t idolize Ron Paul. We idolize the US Constitution and he’s the only man in the race who’ll defend it.

      • Mel in Arizona

        AMEN, TFL!

      • BigBadJohn

        TML I AGREE to all of the other Ron Paul nay sayers:

        A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
        Lao-tzu,

        If you are unwilling to try to get this country started down the right trail —- don’t complain when it does not go your way!

        Romney and Obama are interchangeable just because one has and “R” by his name and the other a “D” does not mean squat!

      • Aniko

        RE your question what Newt stands for:
        Newt stands for conservative democracy with representation elected by the will of the majority, not money or “influence” purchased by peddling positions in his administration after a win for him.

        Newt believes that leaders are meaningless if they don’t have the support of the majority of voters, therefore he explains his idea clearly and at a level that is understandable at a lay-man’s level.

        Newt believes what the Constitution means: a GUIDE to leadership in a representative democracy. He understands both the definition of democracy and representation of the “demos”= people.

        Newt believes that leaders have to be able to inspire the people they are leading with common sense ideas and with bold dreams that are doable if the will is free to work without powerful government interests’ interference.

        Newt is a leader in the classical sense of the word but because American education does not instill studies of the ancient Latin or Greek classics most Americans don’t understand Newt’s ideas or ideology.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        TML, I particularly enjoyed your “rebuttle” to Aniko. Ron Paul’s constant Constitutional message brings to mind a speech by Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775:

        Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death…”The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.”

        “…Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
        http://www.ushistory.org/documents/libertydeath.htm

      • TML

        Aniko says, “RE your question what Newt stands for:
        Newt stands for conservative democracy with representation elected by the will of the majority”

        Ok, that is the definition of Republic

        “, not money or “influence” purchased by peddling positions in his administration after a win for him.”

        I’ve heard of many financial scandals surrounding Newt Gingrich…. Shall we debate all of them here? I’m very open to that has I have not engaged such topics in debate.

        Aniko says, “Newt believes that leaders are meaningless if they don’t have the support of the majority of voters, therefore he explains his idea clearly and at a level that is understandable at a lay-man’s level.”

        Granted

        Aniko says, “Newt believes what the Constitution means: a GUIDE to leadership in a representative democracy.”

        The Constitution is, by definition, a body of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is acknowledged to be governed. It is the law of the land, and not to be considered a mere “guide” of leadership to a Republic. The Constitution is expressly for the purpose of restraining government from violating the natural rights of its citizens… it is a set of fundamental rules. Suggesting that the Constitution is merely a guide suggests that it may be disregarded given certain conditions. This is unacceptable to me.

        Aniko says, “He understands both the definition of democracy and representation of the “demos”= people.”

        We should all understand the definitions of democracy and republic.

        Aniko says, “Newt believes that leaders have to be able to inspire the people they are leading with common sense ideas and with bold dreams that are doable if the will is free to work without powerful government interests’ interference.”

        I agree

        Aniko says, “Newt is a leader in the classical sense of the word but because American education does not instill studies of the ancient Latin or Greek classics most Americans don’t understand Newt’s ideas or ideology.”

        America doesn’t teach ancient Latin or Greek history or ideals? I’m an avid student of history and understand the studies of ancient Greek and Latin ‘classics’, but I would still love to hear your take on these studies and how you believe Newt would apply them today… although, I prefer a president have instilled in him/her the ideology of the founding of this nation, and apply those ideals.

      • TML

        JeffH, “Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death”

        Absolutely

        And thank you for the link

    • della

      You are so right! Isn’t this election much more important than any so far? For those of you who buy this idea that Romney is no better than Obama, all I can say is you are not using your commonsense. Anyone is better than Obama! No, I am not a fan of Romney, did not vote for Romney here in SC, but if he is the nominee I will certainly vote for him. If I have to hold my nose, then so be it. I do not want to help Obama by choosing to be selfish in this election. We can not afford another term of Obama. If you want to help finish destroying America, go ahead. Don’t vote in the election or write in Ron Paul. Then you can tell your children and grandchildren that you helped re-elect Obama to office. Won’t that make you real proud?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        STAND UP for what you believe in!!! I will tell my grandchildren that I did the RIGHT thing! I will teach my grandchildren to stand up and fight evil wherever they see it. I will teach my grandchildren not to cower and go along with the despots that are trying to take away their GOD given rights! I will stand with good! I will stand with GOD!!!

      • TML

        della says, “For those of you who buy this idea that Romney is no better than Obama, all I can say is you are not using your commonsense.”

        I don’t buy into anything that Romney is no better than Obama. I buy into the idea that Ron Paul is better qualified to hold the office of POTUS based on how he has changed the debates toward monetary policy, printing fiat currency used to fund unjustified unilateral ‘military actions’ policing the world, and lost liberties as a result… along with his 30 year solid voting record of limited constitutional government.

        della says, “Anyone is better than Obama!”

        Anyone? Really? Where’s that commonsense?

        della says, “If you want to help finish destroying America, go ahead. Don’t vote in the election or write in Ron Paul.”

        Non sequitur
        Voting for Ron Paul will not destroy America.

        della says, “Then you can tell your children and grandchildren that you helped re-elect Obama to office. Won’t that make you real proud?”

        No, I will tell them that I voted for the best candidate that represents the principles of personal liberty and limited constitutional government. That would make me proud.

      • kkflash

        Why do you persist in supporting a system where Republican or Democrat amounts to the same thing? I’m sick and tired of watching the overgrowth of the political elite under the 2-party system. I’m from Minnesota, where we elected Jesse Ventura. So-called conservatives and liberals both laughed at his candidacy, right up until they swore him in as governor. He turned out to be a surprisingly decent governor too. At the very least, he stood for something and he stayed consistent in his positions. He shared a lot of viewpoints with Ron Paul, and he won against the RINOs and the Dumbocrats.

        I’m voting for Ron Paul, not only because he shares my Constitutionally-based principles, but to send a message to the current political elite of both major parties that those principles cannot be bought from me, but will have to be taken by force, and if they choose to continue trying to do that, they’re going to have a hell of a fight on their hands.

      • Mel in Arizona

        You clearly nailed it, Della. I’m so amazed at the self-righteious non-thinkers that can’t find enough purity in our Republican front-runner, that they would actually squander their vote on mis-place “principle” and allow Obama to be ushered in, instead!!!!!

      • Geno

        Actually, this is to Aniko:

        The major flaw in your reasoning is believing this country is a democracy. Read the Federalist Papers and the Constitution. This nation was founded on the principles of a Constitutional Republic. We DELEGATE authority to our elected officials. They are supposed to be our servants and defenders of our right to life, liberty and property. Do you think Newt will repeal the Patriot Act and abolish the TSA? The TSA is clearly a violation of our 4th Amendment rights! Does Newt get it? Or is it better to give up our liberty for a little false security?

        Only Ron Paul gets it. He will repeal the Patriot Act and abolish Homeland Security and get the TSA out of our crouches!

      • Vicki

        della. Vote for Romney “then you can tell your children and grandchildren that you helped re-elect Obama to office. Won’t that make you real proud?”

        Or vote for the Constitution and the founding principles of this country and vote Ron Paul. A vote for anyone else is a vote for Obama.

      • Vicki

        Mel in Arizona says:

        I’m so amazed at the self-righteious non-thinkers that can’t find enough purity in our Republican front-runner, that they would actually squander their vote on mis-place “principle” and allow Obama to be ushered in, instead!!!!!

        Mis-placed principle? You would set aside your principles? Hmmmmmmm…….

      • DaveH

        Mel says — “I’m so amazed at the self-righteious non-thinkers that can’t find enough purity in our Republican front-runner, that they would actually squander their vote on mis-place “principle” and allow Obama to be ushered in, instead!!!!!”.
        And I’m amazed, Mel, to hear the same old mantra uttered by ignorant people who for my entire adult life have voted for the lesser of two evils that the establishment has put forth. As a result, Big Government just keeps growing ever larger.
        It’s time to take the rings out of your noses, Mel and Della, and start voting with your brains and reason instead of your Propagandized Emotions. We can NEVER get our Freedom back if we don’t vote for people who WANT to restore our Freedom.
        Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate that fits that bill.

    • ChristyK

      Romney & Obama will run this country in almost the exact same way. Obama might run us off the cliff a little faster, but we’re going off the cliff either way. If Obama drives us off the cliff, then people may realize that socialism/fascism/tyrrany will not protect us and does not work. We will then have the ability to rebuild this country (with extreme difficulty & hardship). If Romney drives us off the cliff, then people will blame capitalism and the constitution for our problems. Our country will never rise again because the people won’t understand what makes a nation great and how important freedom is. If our country is going to be destroyed, lets go down in a flame of glory and immediately start rebuilding. Let’s not slowly fade away, never to be seen or heard from again.

      I will vote my conscience. I will vote for the only candidate that will obey the consitution, that will stand on principle, that will not lie to me, and that will defend my freedom with his life. I will vote Ron Paul.

      • Mark in LA

        These people won’t bother to think. How quickly they forget Bush II and his “promises” about conservatism and especially our foreign policy and how Clinton’s “nation building” was a thing of the past. They forget that once he got in he created a panel trying to figure out a way to sneak an illegal alien amnesty past the people by “marginalizing” the Americans (70% of the country) who were against it. They forget that he bragged “see you at the signing ceremony” when this joint committee (which McCain was part of) unveiled their horrid amnesty plan. Yes, this is the party we need to make sure gets elected so that we can “save” the country.

      • Eddie G.

        ChristyK, I think it’s unfortunate that the debates spent more time with Romney/Santorum and some of Gingrich but left Ron Paul standing there like he was a bothersome turnip. All I hear about that sinks Ron Paul is his foreign policy. What’s wrong with it? Nothing! Eisenhower warned of the military industrial complex which Paul is very savvy to. We used to go to war,win it,and come home. That’s what Paul is saying. Because DDE was ignored of his warning ,wars go on and on without any concept for victory because of the stupid “rules of engagement”. Paul is tired of the incredible waste of money on perpetuated wars so the military can have more toys to play with. He’s all for maintaining defense and use as needed not because it has become a cash cow for industrial complexes. I can’t understand why people have to listen to the media about Paul when it’s very clear to get one’s head wrapped around what he’s saying. He’s a staunch Constitutionalist with a consistent voting record along those lines. This is real medicine from a real doctor who knows what it’s going to take to cure this country’s ills. Save a trillion in his first year in office? Ya durn tootin” !! Paul wants to junk the Fed and hello real money vs Fed fiat funny money. Goodbye to EPA and a host of other alphabet soup agencies that create more problems than they solve. They’re not needed,weren’t prior to their establishment,and not needed now still. Goodbye food stamps except for too elderly or disabled to work. Otherwise grow a garden,go shoot a deer or feral pig and feed yourself ’til you find work or succeed in small business.The government or society owes you nothing except to deliver your mail and protect the borders. And thank you Ron Paul for not politicizing energy or guns. So Paul is exactly what people want therefore what’s the problem? Even Gingrich remains a better option than Romney/Santorum. But…people are still stupid,they won’t let go of the Dummycrats or RINOS so we’ll still be in the same stew and worse for another 4 years.

      • Bob

        There is only one chance to salvage the American Republic system of individual liberties our Founding Fathers gave their us and that is for everyone who opposes big Government Socialism stand and vote together. Anyone that is not a radical Socialist Progressive as is “Obama” will do. The fact is the Republican candidate choosen will likely not be everyone’s ideal first choice. None of the candidates running are even remotely as bad as Obama. If we suffer four more years of Obama you can kiss the America you were lucky to be born in “goodbye for ever”. If you choose a write in vote, or a third party vote you may as well vote for Obama. If you consider yourself an American Patriot, its your duty to your Country to remove Obama and any Socialist in Congress from office. Keep your eye on the goal. The Socialist have a lot of money and are well organized. If those of us that oppose Obama are divided in any way, we are screwed!

      • Mel in Arizona

        PLEASE, ChristyK, stop and THINK! Along with conscience and principles……..you’ve just got to use your head, too!

      • DaveH

        Mel says — “PLEASE, ChristyK, stop and THINK! Along with conscience and principles……..you’ve just got to use your head, too!”.
        A fine example of thinking you are, Mel.
        It always amazes me when ignorant people advise others to “THINK!”.

      • Vicki

        Bob writes

        Anyone that is not a radical Socialist Progressive as is “Obama” will do.

        True. However you and I and other conservatives who post here are not running for President. The only one we know of who is running for President is Ron Paul.

      • ChristyK

        Mel, I did stop and think. I have been reading news, politics, & history voraciously for ~5 years. I have been seriously considering what I believe and why. I have modified some of my beliefs and solidified others. If you read my comment above, you would hear my explanation of why I chose to vote Ron Paul. If you just want to believe “Anybody but Obama”, you may do so, but do not accuse me of not thinking. I have been thinking non-stop about these and related issues for 5 years and have a very detailed understanding of my beliefs. Unlike most people, I have considered all points of view. I have used facts from world history, American history, read the consitutition and other founding documents, I have studied economics texts, military history, and much more. I am a logical person and an engineer with business training and experience.

        Why don’t you try reading my explanation of why I think Romney would do more harm than Obama, even though Obama will try to do more harm. Read it with an open mind, and consider the ramifications.

    • kkflash

      Lin, I’m going to ask you the same question I’ve asked others like you on this site: Do you want to change the country, or do you just want to win an election? There’s no point to electing Romney, Santorum or Gingrich just to get rid of Obama. With them you still get overblown government, constitutional ignorance, and continued loss of personal freedom. If you think Ron Paul is the best personal for the job, then show some conviction and cast your ballot for the man.

      • Mel in Arizona

        Dear kkflash, With ANY important decision, whether buying something, supporting something or someone, or moving somewhere, etc. you have always got a good, better, and best choices.
        Right now, we can each support the primary candidate of our choice………..but once we HAVE a Republican candidate to oppose Obama, you must realize that we all need to pull together to promote him and our Republican pary platform (Have you READ the Democrat and Republican platforms, even?) and decide at THAT time, who is good, literally, who is better, and who is best

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I agree with you! obamas doing a lot to destroy this country but he didn’t do it alone. There were plenty of republicans who went along with the patriot act, ndaa, etc…just changing parties isn’t going to fix anything. We’ll still be traveling down the same road.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Mel, when I’m buying something or supporting something I don’t settle for “so so” because that’s all I see today. I keep looking for the “best”. Especially when it comes to something as important as this.

      • http://Comcast Robert Steele

        Dear kkflash & Vicky, You both are strong Ron Paul people and I would vote for him in a second if he is the Republician choice. Of the four candidates running only one will be selected. If your favorite canditate is not selected you and every other conservative must stay with the party. Why, because I believe Obama will do so much damage to our Constitution and push us so far to the left, America will never be the same. Look at the massive National debt he has added in just three years. He goal of redistribution of individual earnings, and entitlements will bankrupt us. No small business can succeed in Obamas system. I emplore you support whichever Republican candidate that is chosen. If not for yourself think of your children and grand children. It is our Patriotic duty to provide future Americans with the same liberties and opportunities we had. United we will prevail, divided Marxist Socialism consume our Nation.

    • Vicki

      Lin says:

      By writing in Paul, or anyone else, or by just not voiting, you are voting for Obama.

      A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul is a vote for Obama. Especially obvious this year if the rinos choose Romney for the nominee.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.clancy1 Thomas Clancy

    I fully expect Romney to “pull a McCain” and select a dynamic, energizing, conservative female or non-white or both for his VP. Maybe someone we know or not–there are bound to be many out there. By November, his choice will have sweetened the ticket for GOP voters, and maybe even a good percentage of the most die-hard Ron Paul supporters.

  • TIME

    OMG,

    Need I say this yet again, well I guess I must as its really quite obvious.

    We have not had any choice in whom we get for any office be that your state Congress persons upper or lower house or your CEO, as in whom you call your POTUS.

    We don’t have a Government we have a Corporation known as the United States INC.
    We don’t have a POTUS, you only think you do, we have a CEO of the noted Corporation, as such you need to understand that a “Corporation is only in it for what it gains”
    There is no We the People.

    > Thus WE the people have NO say in how it runs. But if your bright enough to get it. Then really Good For You.. You can at least then work toward fixing the problem with the millions of us who have figured it out.

    Google or what ever method you so wish; The Season of Treason vol 1 – 3

    This is a simple 4 hour commitment… All you have to do is sit and watch, hell even take notes, PLEASE DO – check out his work product, its all out there for you.
    As in any form of science – the Proof is of truth is when anyone can take the same equation and get the same results time after time.

    I am not going to argue with any of you, but the facts are whats within the context of these is in fact whats wrong with this nation.
    If you choose to think not, again I don’t care, again I will not argue with you.

    If you do get it, I will be happy to let you know of many other feeds that will also aid you in details that are all related to what you will see within Kurts youtube feeds.

    You can’t fix a flat tire by replacing the Sun Roof

    Peace and Love to all who dare’s to wake up.

    • FreedomFighter

      Season of Treason III Full – The King’s House

      Full version of Season of Treason III. It consists of 4 parts. The Will and Testament, The Law Merchant, The Birth Certificate, The House. Kurt Kallenbach presenting.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4iX8dF4s0

      Make it easy for some of you to find this video, at least I think this is it.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Eddie G.

        Freedom Fighter,thanks for the heads up , I’m going to watch the video. My grandson is a Marine boot at this moment. Semper Fi!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      I totally agree with what you’re saying and I will watch it! Thanks for posting the link, Freedom Fighter!

    • Vigilant

      TIME, I issued a challenge to you some time ago, which you patently ignored. I now repeat it: Show me ONE word, sentence, or paragraph in the Organic Act of 1871 that incorporates the USA. You can’t.

      It incorporated the District of Columbia, as thousands of village and cities have done, nothing more or less.

      • TIME

        Lacking of any form of Vigilance. Lets round out a few bend edges for you.

        #1, I don’t care that you can’t comprehend what you read – thats your problem not mine. Fix it or not.

        #2, I also don’t care to argue with someone who has ZERO gray matter as you have clearly displayed within most all your post. See Point #1 for more details.

        #3, I also don’t need to show you, nor explain anything to you, if you can’t read, nor comprehend – again thats not my problem. Please see point #1 and #2 for more details.

        All that aside, I will say this yet again {all the Doucments} are out there rather you like it or not. Please see Point #1 – #3.

        Peace and Love .

      • Vigilant

        Well, Mr. Alinsky, you never fail to deflect the subject rather than answer the question.

        Unlike you, I HAVE read the Organic Act and I find nothing to support your conspiratorial nonsense. If you have read it, your answer would not be evasive.

        If you have any integrity, let alone reading comprehension, just answer the question: Can you show me ONE word, sentence, or paragraph in the Organic Act of 1871 that incorporates the USA?

        …or will we be treated once more to a non-answer?.

      • Vigilant

        Need more TIME to read the Act?

        No, you won’t find the answer in “Rules for Radicals.” You already played that card.

  • s c

    Ben, I would have hoped that more people would make the necessary connection, but it seems that the praise of self, love of weak minds and a gut-level preference for clinging to ‘the best government that money, greed and evil can buy’ is more important than freedom.
    Be very careful, America. There are times when what you wish for is the worst thing that can happen. Not until the world gets a much-needed crotch kick will all of the dots come together. The price for that ‘illumination’ is freedom itself. I can’t fathom how or why some people would gleefully put their kids, families and friends into slavery, but then I don’t have what it takes to understand the flaws of the human heart or the manipulators who learned how to manipulate and make puppets of those who serve them.
    People, ‘the ends justify the means’ is a curse. It is NOT a blessing.

  • rendarsmith

    “I am no longer willing to select the lesser of two evils on Election Day.” I feel the EXACT same way! Brilliant Masterpiece Ben!

    • Annie

      rendarsmith: Do you not realize that voting ANY third party absolutely and completely ensures an obama re-election. Is that what you WANT?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Annie, the destruction of our country comes either way! Do you want to be part of that? I’m tired of feeling buyers remorse. I’m tired of hearing “well, you voted for him”. I will not comply!

      • American Girl

        Annie, why is it so hard to understand that there is NO philosophical difference between Obama and Romney? This is not a choice… and TPTB don’t really care which one takes office. Integrity dictates that one’s vote should be cast for the person who demontrates integrity and honor. We all know that there is only one candidate who fits the bill… Ron Paul!

      • kkflash

        Annie, what you say is only true if sheeple like you allow themselves to be herded. Stand up and show some courage for once. If enough of us refuse to “go along just to get along” Ron Paul can actually win. As I’ve posted here before, we have two chances to get Ron Paul elected: We can continue to fight for his Republican nomination, as he himself is doing, OR if the gavel eventually falls for Romney at the Republican convention, we can still have Ron Paul on the ballot in November, not as a write-in candidate, but as the legitimate choice of the Americans Elect party, where Ron Paul is solidly in the lead for their nomination. Their website is here:

        http://www.americanselect.org/about

      • STEVE E.

        It won’t be the third party (Ron Paul) voters who will put Obama back in office again. It will be the ones voting for RINOs who will put him back in. The RINO voters are the ones that are brainwashed by the GOP Establishment Wholesale Brainwashing Machine, not the Ron Paul voters. If Obama wins, it may finally destroy to GOP Establishment and then, perhaps the GOP brainwashed people may come around to reality. It may take further disasters created by Obama for the GOP Establishment to come to their senses.

      • Mel in Arizona

        YES! It is really so clear. Why are so many of our friends so blinded by hatred? We must
        come together behind one candidate that will heal the economy, help pull back the liberal drift on the supreme court, stand up for America, and follow the U.S. Constitution. Does that sound “moderate?” Then, I guess, I’m really a moderate – though I’ve never ever thought of myself that way – and I KNOW that we need to tone down the hate speech between our Republican candidates, but……come on………ANY one of them are SO much better than Obama!

        Those who threaten to write in someone other than our candidate or not vote at all ARE, IN REALTITY, VOTING FOR OBAMA.
        Please reconsider!

      • DaveH

        I disagree completely, Annie. We have arrived at this point in our Political history because people like yourself have succumbed to the lesser of two evils Propaganda. As a result we keep getting Politicians who keep growing our Leviathan Government ever larger.
        There is a natural inclination among Politicians to grow Government, and they will do it as long as we keep going along to get along. It’s time to break the mold and quit letting them make our choices.

      • Vicki

        Annie says:

        rendarsmith: Do you not realize that voting ANY third party absolutely and completely ensures an obama re-election. Is that what you WANT?

        Agreed. Stop voting for all those losing parties. Vote Ron Paul and get us back on track to freedom and prosperity. A vote for a party is a vote for obama.

      • Carl Manning

        Annie,

        we’re voting for the Constitution, not “the Party” or “the Man” or “the win”. The Constitution, like our vote, is NON-NEGOTIABLE!!!

      • anonymous

        americans elect is created by obama to trick people into thinking they are supporting ron paul, when they are actually supporting obama only use the official ron paul website

  • GiveMeLiberty

    Since THEY will nominate Romney regardless, I will write-in Dr. Paul on my ballot (although that’s probably not possible on touch screen voting machines). However, I will ask if it’s possible AFTER I show my ID. Old enough to vote, your old enough for ID. If your poor enough to get FREE government everything, then you should qualify for a FREE government ID…that of course is another story.

    I’m with you Ben, “I am no longer willing to select the lesser of two evils on Election Day” either!

    • Mel in Arizona

      Why waste your precious vote?!! In reality you ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA’s re-election!

      • DaveH

        I dispute that contention, Mel. Romney would get slaughtered by the Liberal Press. They are doing with Romney exactly what they did with John McCain. The MSM wants the most Liberal Republican to win, just in case, but after Romney has won the primary, the MSM will once again switch their attention to supporting Obama. Romney won’t have a chance against Obama because he really doesn’t offer much different than Obama does. Romney is just Obama-lite, so the passionate voters will ignore Romney. The press will slaughter Romney because he really doesn’t off a clear difference in agenda (based on his past actions, NOT his words — which mean nothing).
        Ron Paul, on the other hand, offers Real Principles of Freedom, and he has the voting record to prove that his aren’t just Words, like in Romney’s case. Obama wouldn’t stand a chance against Obama in any real debates, except with the voters who vote based on emotion rather than logic, and those kind aren’t going to vote for anybody but Obama anyway.
        You really need to read these two free books (in the order presented), so you can get a clue about what’s been going on in this country since its inception:
        http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        That should have read — Obama wouldn’t stand a chance against Ron Paul in any real debates.

      • Geno

        The fact is, Ron Paul would have a better chance of beating Obama than Romney or any of the others. Obama’s henchmen would be at a loss to find anything to use against the good doctor. He bases his principles on the Constitution! What is Obama going to say to that?? The Constitution is outdated and it is time to change it? Barack Obama against Ron Paul would be such a high contrast it would be easy for even the most brainwashed to see the differences. And Ron Paul would make it more obvious just how un-American Barack Obama really is. I would love to see the two of them in a debate!

      • Vicki

        Mel in Arizona says:

        Why waste your precious vote?!! In reality you ARE VOTING FOR OBAMA’s re-election!

        Correct. Vote for Ron Paul. Any other vote is a vote for Obama.

      • Max

        It is a right to vote for who you feel is the best candidate. In my opinion only Dr. Paul represents the way I feel. Therefore I will vote for him. I refuse to compromise and vote for the lesser of two evils. I want our Constitutional Republic back, period! We have only one option and that is Dr. Paul with Judge Andrew Napalitano as his running mate. Any other option is flawed and by definition the lesser of two evils. Well not me!

    • Carl Manning

      Trust me, it’s possible. I wrote in Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party in 2008 on the Diebold electronic voting machines in Georgia. I wasn’t about to support Obamination or McShamnesty, not that my vote counted or anything. The electronic Diebold machines in Georgia STILL HAVE NO PAPER ACCOUNTABILITY TRAIL thanks to our despicable former GOP SOS, Karen Handel and the current despicable GOP SOS, Brian Kemp, who allowed the ineligible Obamination on the ballot. These Diebold machines can be easily manipulated with a mouse click.

  • doctordoctor

    This is a better column than the one about the black thug who got what he needed–9mm. We loathe Romney just as we loathed, and still do, McCain. I don’t think obongo will be allowed to ruin this country further–I predict he’ll be Kennedy’d if the stupid blacks, dumber Jews, and mindless proles with their hands always out reelect the Kenyan mus communist. There are still more decent Ameicans than the others, not by much I’ll admit. We absolutely must have a brokered convention and come up with a good candidate–Allen West would be good–Marco Rubio is not eligible despite some stupid Republicans lack of understanding of the Constitution.

    • http://personalliberty.com myopinion

      If brackass manages to steal the election again, we will no longer have a constitution and bill of rights. He will finish what he has already started and he will be the last reigning figure head this country will know, that is until shasa takes over ownership as the youngish in line to the throne in making

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You are right about that. He seeks our destruction!

      • STEVE E.

        Perhaps some states will succeed then.

      • Vicki

        myopinion says:

        If brackass manages to steal the election again, we will no longer have a constitution and bill of rights.

        Oh we will have both. The government you talk of will discover what consent really means.

    • Annie

      Please doctor, your prediction of being “Kennedy’d” falls so short of reality that I wonder hugely about your deductive reasoning brain.

      IF he he hasn’t been “kennedy’d” already, what makes you think it will happen EVER!

      And, by the way, YES, obama MUST be evicted from OUR house (the White House) and it should have already have happened.

      The mere fact that obama’s communism has taken such a strong hold on his identity voters and lesser illiterate citizens of our beloved America is surely indicative of the “HOLD” his socialism/communism has already garnered.

    • Carl Manning

      Do your homework, doc. Allen West supported the Debt Debacle. He would be a disastrous candidate for ANYTHING! He’s just another GOP socialist neocon nutjob like all the rest who has betrayed the electorate.

      http://www.theblaze.com/stories/tea-party-favorite-allen-west-explains-why-he-supports-boehners-plan/

      • http://n/a James

        Doesn’t anyone out there object to the vicious, racist rants of DR/Dr.? Or do we Conservatives just overlook such hate speech. The silence is deafening.

    • Geno

      They only terminate the good ones.

  • cawun cents

    Wow Mr. Crystal,

    You took a lot of words and effort to say what many of us have been blogging for quite some time.In so much as any candidates brought forth for election,you have a choice of Brand A and Brand B,which are both essentially the same with the exception of how they skew their political views.
    The problem is that there is a lukewarm,middle of the road,moderate,mentality at work here.
    The centrist point of view,which to me is like saying I like my rice cakes plain.
    When I grow weary of being treated like the illegitimate red-headed stepchild of a political point of reference,I just call myself a moderate and all my troubles flee the scene.
    Or so it is thought.
    What I am really saying is that I dont have strong enough convictions about anything to voice an opinion about anything.So I covieniently go to the middle hoping to find someone who I can be enamored of,and someone who jjust doesnt rub me the wrong way.
    Good luck with that strategy pal.
    Rather than make a stand I am willing to accept the shortcomings of whoever is tossed my way.
    I am a moderate.
    Hear me whimper.
    It just dont get any simpler.
    It is like being at the Alamo and being worried about how you are seen by others,while the army of Santa Ana is trying to decapitate you.
    That is the choice of the American Moderate.
    To be worried about their convictions being seen by others as something distatsteful.
    it is much easier for everyone involved,if they dont have to show any convictions,and can retreat to whatever side of the fence they jump to.
    If there is one thing I could ever applaud the leftist harridans who post here on,it is that they have convictions.
    For this fact,I admire them.
    I dont have a problem with them personally,it is rather their position on the issues and conditions which I have taken umbrage to.
    But the moderate is quite another thing.
    If there is anyone I would like to give a sound verbal thrashing,it is a moderate.
    It seems as if nearly everyone I know is a moderate,according to their own minds.
    There are some conditions which I take a middle of the road stance on,but very few.
    We are here at a crossroads in our national history,and many folks just cant seem to make up their minds about which way to go.
    In my mind it would be to our national advantage to turn back toward God,and quit pursuing this dragon of debt,which we daily chase as if it were something we were ever going to catch.But some folks have a problem with God,so I try to leave Him in my own thoughts,and blog about the positions which what I consider opposing positions take,without inserting God into the picture hoping that someone will listen to what to me is sound reasoning.
    I try not to wear my Christianity on my sleeve as if it is a hammer which I can use to bash my opponents with.That is not what I consider a proper use for my faith.
    Occasionally I throw it out lest my actions say otherwise to those who post here regularly.
    But I am no moderate,nor do I take a moderate stance when it comes to my nation.
    That is the equivalent of being Goldilocks in the Three Bears story.
    It can get you into a scatstorm rather efficiently,with little hope of getting you back out of it.
    There you have the condition of the politcal scene here in America in a nutshell.
    -CC.

    • C West

      That’s the biggest NUTSHELL ever! I agree, stand firm, Mr. Conservative.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      CC, I think it is time to wear Christianity on our sleeves! I think the time is rapidly approaching where the true battle is coming down to the battle between good and evil. I will stand on the side of GOD. Too many of us cringe in the background because we believe in freedom of religion, freedom to have our own opinions etc… Well my opinion matters too and I will no longer hide it under a rock. Being a Christian nowadays make us a target of attacks from the left, but I don’t care! Turning back to GOD is the ONLY thing that can save this country. I will proudly wear it on my sleeve and I can only hope that someone else will be influenced to do the same!

      • Conservative values, independent thinker

        Proud of you Nancy…I’m doing the same!! Ronald Reagon once said;

        “Evil is powerless, if the good are unafraid.”

        We can’t live our lives in fear…that is how we got in this mess. We have been taught to be silent rather than face the possibility of stepping on someones toes with our beliefs…yet we are being run over!! Speak out proudly…”He has overcome the world”. We are on the side of right and it needs to be heard! The more Christians speak out, the more Christians will speak out. There is strength in numbers!! It has only taken 2% of evil to almost drowned out good and because of this…they are growing!!…let’s reverse the situation!!

        There is power in the written and spoken Word!!

      • Maryland Freestater

        More a reply to Cvit, but here goes…

        I LOVE columns like this because regardless of philosophies, these should cause one to THINK!

        I like what you said about ‘keeping quiet’ – this is the left’s way of conditioning (or attempting to) people into keeping their true opinions to themselves: with the intent to cause people to ‘learn’ to ‘stay quiet’ on any / all matters that conflict with ‘PC’ ideology.

        [PC should've been called "AC" (anally-retentive politically correct) 'cos most white and Obamesque liberals, at least the ones I have to deal with, all have a collective corncob stuck firmly up their a$$e$, facing sideways. Kill-joys one and all. ]

        Not that ‘conservatives’ are much better… but that’s another rant.

        I became politically interested / active for both pragmatic and spiritual reasons. I want a future that’s better To and FOR my descendants than my predecessors and me, and it looks like many people are hell-bent on denying them this birthright. This then invokes the spiritual aspect – much of our leadership, regardless of poli9tics, commerce, even religion, are EVIL. Yet, how does Evil perpetuate? Subterfuge – disguise it with BS (Hope and Change, I’m for the little guy, it’s for the kids…). Hell, my 12th grade religion nun didn’t believe in a Devil, an Anti-God – and when one can buffalo an ‘old-school’ Catholic nun into beliving THAT, One can fool ANYBODY.

        My 2 kopeks’ worth. RESPOND!

    • Darryl

      I am a “moderate conservative.” I favor a strong military, fiscal responsibility, less goverment interference in my life, the end of government’s invasion of privacy, lower taxes, deprtation of illegal aliens…..forget it. I AM A CONSERVATIVE!!

      • Smoke101

        Darryl- agree with everything you wrote; to everyone else-until conservatives can retake the Rebulican party and make it ours again any vote for other than the nominee is a vote for the slime ball in the White House. If you want him to destroy the country go ahead and vote for Obama straight up because your vote ends up doing just that. So vote for the DEVIL you know or the one you seem to be so sure will be the same. If Rommey is the guy who wins keep in mind that he can be pulled to the RIGHT if we stay involved…Slime Ball is for sure going to be out of control and we will have a revolution…I’m ready-are you? Don’t be STUPID people!!!! 101 AIRBORNE VIET NAM DITTOS

      • anonymous

        are you sure you were in the military? ron paul has over 70% of their support maybe if you talked to some of them and found out why they support him it might shed a little light on it. Also there is a website for both veterans and active military that might help
        http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

      • Smoke101

        ANONYMOUS- Am I sure I was in the military? KMA REMF! To figure that out ask a Nam vet. Just dont tell the vet I called you that-he’ll probably knock you out. As to your 70% poll; do know alot of vets and do volunteer work with the local VA VFW, and Legion; what I hear is RP is like Neville Chamberlin-you’ll prbably have to ask someone on that also!

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  • vicki

    We have 3 easy choices this election year.

    Obama, Miniobama, Ron Paul.

    My choice is clear. No more voting for the lessor of 2 Devils.

    Vote freedom. Vote liberty. Vote true justice.

    Ron Paul FTW.
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com

    • Vigilant

      Dick Morris says,

      “Romney will end Obamacare. Obama won’t.

      Romney will cut spending sharply. Obama will increase it.

      Romney will block grant Medicaid and food stamps and stop their growth. Obama won’t.

      Romney will cut income taxes. Obama will raise them.

      Romney will stop EPA regulation of carbon dioxide. Obama will step it up.

      Romney will stop the NLRB from forcing unionization. Obama will continue it.

      Romney will do all he can to help Israel stop Iranian nukes. Obama won’t.

      Romney will appoint conservative judges. Obama will name radical ones

      Romney will crack down on Chinese currency manipulation. Obama is afraid to.

      Romney will starve Chavez by curtailing purchase of his oil. Obama won’t.

      Romney won’t bow to the Saudi monarch. Obama did.

      Romney will restore defense cuts. Obama will disarm us.

      Romney will approve Keystone and off shore drilling. Obama won’t.

      Romney will push for school vouchers and choice. Obama killed it in D.C..

      Romney will not cut Medicare to finance Obamacare. Obama is.

      Romney will reform Medicare by using competition. Obama won’t.

      Romney will stop debasing the dollar by printing more and more. Obama will print money.

      Romney will encourage photo id laws. Obama will veto them.

      Romney will appoint anti-terrorists to the Justice Department. Obama does the opposite.

      Romney will call Islamic terrorists, Islamic terrorists. Obama doesn’t.

      Romney will reduce the capital gains tax. Obama will increase it.

      Romney will turn America around. Obama hasn’t, won’t and can’t.

      “Either Santorum or Romney or Gingrich or even Ron Paul would be a better president than Obama and don’t let us forget it!”

      Comments?

      • Vigilant

        Dateline Washington, D.C., March 27, 2013

        AP – The stock and commodities markets reacted strongly to President Paul’s release yesterday of his comprehensive plan to reduce the Federal Budget. In mixed trading, the bearish influences of military-industrial, pharmaceutical and agribusiness stocks were more than offset by gains in traditional energy, retailer and manufacturing sectors.

        Gold and silver suffered substantial losses on world commodities exchanges, while the dollar’s performance against the Euro and Yuan reflected an increased confidence in the strength of that currency.

        In an electoral coup, Paul carried the 2012 elections, winning in 43 states where numerous contests defied the normal party lines and demographics. The losses sustained in NY, D.C., MA, VT, WA, CA and IL proved unsuccessful in denting the wave of pro-Paul sentiment that swept the nation. His coattails swept in three Libertarian candidates for the House and one in the Senate.

        Public and private sector unions demanded recounts in 5 states, claiming voter fraud. Even if the true, the extent of the fraud would have had no effect on the electoral count in those states.

        Republicans added to their comfortable majority in the House with an additional 25 turnovers, while hotly contested elections for seats in the Senate yielded 12 new Republican victories, giving them the filibuster-proof margin they had so diligently sought.

        The highly contentious Republican Convention in August upset the political apple cart and defied all conventional wisdom when it chose Dr. Paul as its nominee. Ironically Paul, known for his bulldog stances and tenacious hold on unchanging political ideology, surprised everyone when he switched course on foreign policy.

        While retaining his positions on profligate military spending, interventionism in general and nation building, he dismayed some supporters with the pronouncement that Iran could not be trusted to obtain a nuclear warfare capability, and that the US should afford Israel the strong backing it requires to squelch the ambitions of the rogue nation to her east.

        Moreover, Paul had softened his position on the legalization of hard drugs by a deft shifting of focus. Instead of attacking the war on drugs directly, he emphasized his commitment to the Constitutional position that the states have the final say in how to handle the drug problem.

        Few could have predicted the electrifying effect such a movement would have. From the gloom of a deadlocked and despondent convention came forth a dark horse almost perfectly suited to the tastes of the mainstream Republican electorate, while appealing to the socially liberal voters of both the Democrat and Libertarian Parties.

        Exit polls were early and abundantly in favor of Paul’s candidacy. Many interviewed said that his change of direction on Iran and drugs were the deciding factors in bringing them over to the cause.

        He even made inroads in the traditional liberal strongholds of the African American and Jewish vote, shaving 12 and 15 points respectively off those numbers. Women and the military voted 60% in favor of Dr. Paul, while first time voters went to Republican ticket by a margin of 55-45%.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        I agree 110% the imposter in office must go come this November. He should be hung from the WH front porch for treason and for the traitor he is , televised as an example in full public view.

      • Insighting Truth

        Even if Romney were to accomplish 100% of your list, which he will not, it will not make any long term difference. Every item in your list is nice, but only tinkers around the edges of the problem. Full enactment of everything you say Romney will do, does not change the big government paradigm that is driving us to ruin.

        Romney is not a game changer. He will do nothing to increase freedom in this nation. He is beholden to the same group of lobbyist as the Obama administration. No, the only answer is Ron Paul. Any of the other candidates desire only a shift of government power, from big government democrats to big government republicans, not a reduction in government power.

      • T. Jefferson

        Romney is talking the same garbage Barry did in 08. Ron Paul is the only consistent voting politician in the race. The rest are no better than RINO’s.

      • http://Firefox Simon Shute

        I agree with Dick Morris. Like him or not, to say that Romney is “Obama-lite” is foolishness. Dick’s list of differences between the two is pretty compelling. I think Rick Santorum made a grave mistake in suggesting that we might as well stay with Obama as vote for Romney. Such talk is sowing the seeds of Obama’s reelection, which will almost certainly take us over the cliff economically, bring more uncertainty to the already dangerous international situation and pull even further apart the loosening strands of the nation’s moral fiber. We desperately need to save this sinking ship!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Wow Vigilant, both your posts are fantasies. I agree with Ben and I’ve been saying it all along. Romney is no different than obama. I will not vote for him. I will not vote for the lesser of two evils. I will not accept responsibility for the destruction of the country that I love! Our country is on the precipice of survival. We must rout out the evil instead of shaking our heads and saying there is nothing we can do. I think that the vast majority of Americans recognize that our government is not representing us. Yet they continue to go along because they see no options. But I will not go along! The “elite” are pretending to give us a choice between two candidates but they are the same thing. It is all fixed! I will vote for Ron Paul because he is NOT part of the fix. I know that he will not win because “they” will make sure that he doesn’t. But I refuse to be part of the evil that is taking over over and threatening our country! I will stand up for what I believe in and I will pray because it will be in GOD’S hands.

      • TML

        “Romney will end Obamacare. Obama won’t.”

        It’s difficult to take this list seriously right from the start, when there would likely be “Brand B” (Romneycare) from Mitt.

      • Tazio2013

        With Dick Morris touting Willard “Mittens” Romney, BHO’s re-election is all but assured.

        Sapere aude
        Semper fi!

      • DavidL

        The problem with your interesting political analysis is that we have no idea what Romney will do once he is in office. That’s the problem with him.

        Ron Paul is the only candidate in this Republican clown show with the most integrity.

      • http://Gmail.com Leon Day

        I totally agree with Dick Morris comments–Mitt Romney will fix our economy, cut runaway spendng, cut bloated federal departments, establish favorable business environment for business start-ups, repeal Obama care, and direct our path that will result in eliminating our ever-growing national debt which exceeds 70 trillion dollars (total debt including all unfunded liabilities). Mitt Romney is a good man and lived a life that all Christian can be proud of–does not drink, smoke, faithful to his wife for over 40 years, and raised fine educated sons. Mitt Romney is man of compassionate heart. He gave 7 million dollars or 15% of his earnings to chairty–no others including Santorum, Ryan and Gingrich nor Obama ever tithed their earmings ever in their life yet they call themselves Christan–what a fake they are.

        Moral precepts should not be legislated–it should be the responsibilities of parents. If Santorum or Gingrich have their way, they would outlaw even divorces. Santorum is extreme and we do not need extremist. Obama is extreme on the left-side. They are unfit for White House.

        Our nation is dire need of man like Mitt Romney to make sense of it all–get our economy fixed so that we can pay for defending our freedom and our way of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

        Mitt Romney will fix our economy, re-invigorate our creativity, cut spending, balance the budget and get us on the road to eleiminting our debt.

        It is time to UNITE with Mitt Romney because united efforts is needed to win in November. For the good of the nation, Santorum should now unite with Romney.

        Mitt Romney will beat Obama in November.

      • Richard R. Tryon

        Morris right! Win the election first. Get rid of the Obama threat is paramount.

        Holding out for a modern day Goldwater is wonderful, but it risks losing because of the precarious position and the advantages Obama has built already for his re-election. We best not look at Romney as a me-too Republican, but as one capable of responding to pressure from all Republicans. At least he knows that he is a one term loser, if he fails to realize that the U.S. is not Tax-achusetts.

        Nobody can fix the Obama mess quickly. But we can build a field in which others will create jobs if they are not destroyed first!

      • Vigilant

        Mr. Crystal, welcome to the socialist wing of the Democratic Party.

        You should have stuck with your “Great 8” humor, because when you waxed serious today, you lost all credibility. After you and others of the Ron Paul personality cult guarantee the re-election of Barack Obama, will you fiddle while Rome burns?

        After “voting your conscience,” will you smugly stand by when the continued assault on the Constitution finally makes that document null and void?

        Will you applaud the missed opportunity of replacing the aging and infirm Bader-Ginsberg with a Conservative SCOTUS justice?

        Will you say, “I told you so” when Obama consolidates power through more recess appointments of environmentalists, communists and Maoists to regulatory agencies and czardoms?

        Where will you be when the President and Secretary of Defense await UN approval of any military action before even consulting with Congress?

        When they come to take your guns away, will you proclaim “Romney would have done that anyway?”

        Will you sleep well at night knowing your money will lose value while you slumber, and that the credit worthiness of the US may have dropped another notch during the night?

        Will you look on approvingly as the NLRB forces more and more startups out of right to work states?

        Etc., etc., etc.

        No, Mr. Crystal, you were on the right track when you belatedly came to the realization (along with John Myers, Sam Rolley and Chip Wood) that Dr. Paul’s chances of winning the nomination were slim to none.

        You went egregiously wrong when you bought into the fiction that Romney and Obama are the same animal. They are not birds of a feather, and any such claim is just plain false.

        So you go ahead and vote for Ross Perot/Ron Paul, and let your conscience decide at the end of the day whether re-electing Obama has really helped or hurt the United States of America.

      • BigBadJohn

        Romney will cut income taxes. Obama will raise them.
        Romney will restore defense cuts. Obama will disarm us.

        So Romney will continue Bush’s failed policies of cutting taxes and increasing military spending. How will this decrease the national Debt?

        Romney will call Islamic terrorists, Islamic terrorists. Obama doesn’t.

        Ask Al Qaeda what they think of Obama – Oh sorry you can’t they are all dead! Obama has killed the top 20 officer of Al Qaeda! What did Bush do – let OBL walk!
        “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority”

        http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/2002031

      • Milan

        Is anyone buying Snake Oil Salesman Dick Morris’s fantasy that flip-flopping, liberal, big-government Mitt Romney will cure America from the metastasizing evil of a government that tries to be our god? The status quo will only continue to contribute to America’s demise, whether it is labeled Republican or Democrat.

        We need a Doctor in the House! Only a man of courage and conviction can educate us on the perfect law of liberty and help us return to the Constitution with its design to protect our God-given rights of individual liberty and requisite personal responsibility: Only Dr. Ron Paul 2012!

      • TML

        Vigilant, “You should have stuck with your “Great 8” humor, because when you waxed serious today, you lost all credibility.”

        Actually it is just the opposite. He gained credibility by not falling victim to the false left/right paradigm.

        Vigilant, “After you and others of the Ron Paul personality cult guarantee the re-election of Barack Obama, will you fiddle while Rome burns?”

        Non sequitur and circular argument to suggest that voting for Ron Paul would guarantee the re-election of Barack Obama. And so now we are a ‘personality “cult”’? I expected better coming from you Vigilant.

        Vigilant, “After “voting your conscience,” will you smugly stand by when the continued assault on the Constitution finally makes that document null and void?”

        No, I will continue to fight if Obama was re-elected.

        Vigilant, “Will you applaud the missed opportunity of replacing the aging and infirm Bader-Ginsberg with a Conservative SCOTUS justice?”

        No, I would not applaud if Ron Paul was not nominated or elected.

        Vigilant, “Will you sleep well at night knowing your money will lose value while you slumber, and that the credit worthiness of the US may have dropped another notch during the night?”

        Nope… that’s why I’m voting Ron Paul… he is the only reason the debates have changed to monetary policy and the devaluation of the dollar.

        “you were on the right track when you belatedly came to the realization (along with John Myers, Sam Rolley and Chip Wood) that Dr. Paul’s chances of winning the nomination were slim to none.”

        The only reason his chances of winning would be slim to none is if the majority does not vote for him despite him having the principles and record the voters want. You seem to be a victim of the same big government establishment that you oppose by swallowing non sequitur stated as facts, as if omniscient, through sound-bite repetition, until you believed the lie yourself.

      • jcv1010

        Your not very Vigilant and rather than waste my time trying to change your mind. This article is for idiots like you, because if it hasn’t changed your opinion, what makes me think I can either. Republicans like you have contributed to the down fall of this once great nation. Your like cement all mixed up and permanently set and the only way to fix set cement is to smash it to pieces. The Democrats are doing a very good job of smashing the Republicans to pieces. Republicans will find themselves in shackles and will be the new slaves.

        Romney “WILL NOT” do any of the items you’ve laid out. He isn’t capable, because you can’t change a leopards spots or you can take a man out of the ghetto but you can’t take the ghetto out of the man. Take a look at Obama, he looks nice in a suit but he’s still all ghetto.

        So Mr. Vigilant your a fool of the biggest sorts, you and the rest of the Obama-Republicans.

      • Mark in LA

        The Republican Party hasn’t represented me since they gave us the imbecile corporate stooge Reagan, yet I am supposed to vote for who the Republican establishment gives me becasue they told me Obama is the boogeyman, is that the gist of it?

        I have a better idea, don’t vote for who the Republican establishment gives me until the party changes into something that represents me.

      • dave

        I don’t believe Mr. Romney will do most of those things. He is a RINO which, I stopped voting for. I came to that conclusion years ago, and when I have a choice between a RINO and Democrat, I vote third party. I have been doing that since 1992 (“read my lips…”).

      • Blue

        The way I look at it, if my vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama, then you deserve Obama for another four years. Paul is the only candidate who stands for the people, by the people. You seem to be fine with the fact that voter fraud is rampant because once the GOP makes their selection, there is no stopping them. You seem to be fine that lamestream media has blacked out the only candidate that makes any sense at all. If you want to blame someone for Obama being re-elected, then blame lamestream media and the 1% who have been robbing us blind. Romney couldn’t beat Obama even if Ron Paul had dropped out. He will say whatever he needs to say in order to win the nomination. That is Obamanation all over again. There is no difference between them. Look at this voting record and look at how he has flip flopped since his bid for the candidacy. Romney is totally out of touch with the average American. He only knows money, that he got through vulture capitalism, and the rich. He will NOT change anything. He will be bought off just like Obama was. This country will see it’s ascension into socialism, thanks to those who are voting for the lesser of two evils. Evil is evil no matter how to try to explain it away. I don’t vote for the “pretty boy” or the younger guy. I vote conscience. I would love to see how you explain to your children and grandchildren why you voted for evil, because absolutely guaranteed, it will affect their lives. This country is headed down the road to total destruction and there is only ONE who can save it….Ron Paul!

      • Maryland Freestater

        Hey fellow readers, listen:

        Dr. Paul will be at the Ritchie Coliseum outside U MD College park tomorrow, Wednesday night for a youth rally. Despite my 52 years, I’m, just as enthusiastic as any young whipper-snapper when it comes to supporting the only candidate who seems worth voting for.

        Prove the MSM wrong! VOTE RON PAUL ’12 – or shut the light out on our nation.

      • Greg

        Romney has said a lot that I agree with THIS YEAR, but I am afraid he will go back to his old ways.

      • PendragonRise

        Mittens is just another Wall Street lap dog.

      • Mel in Arizona

        Dick Morris has nailed it. Let’s stop the bloodshed among our own candidates and coalesce behind a principled patriot, Mitt Romney!
        Mel in Arizona

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Points all well made Vig! But will Romney really do all the things that he’ll says he’ll do right now or will he act like a fish outta’ water (Flip-flopping!) when oppisition comes his way?!! He’s definately the only person in the race who has been on both sides of EVERY major issue from Iraq to abortion!!!
        My main problem with Romney is the fact that he’s a Mormon and Mormonism is a cult! I’m a “Born Again Christian”, I TRULY believe that Jesus Christ is EXACTLY Who the Bible (God’s Holy Word!!!) say’s He is! He was born of a virgin, He lived a perfect sinless life, He went voluntarily to the Cross where He became the Perfect, All Atoning, Pascal Lamb of God, the COMPLETE sacrifice for the sins, past, present, and future of everyone who would TRULY believe in Him, and try ther BEST to live their life accordingly, And that He died and was buried in the tomb only to arise three days later triumphant over death, hell, and the grave! And that now He sits at the right hand of our Father awaiting Dad to say, “Son! Go get thy children!!!” Now I understand that the non-believer could care less and that’ll be their problem on THAT Day!!!(I’m praying for you NOW!) The RELIGION that Mitt follows was founded by the charlatan Joseph Smith. One can find out everything they need to about this man by reading his testamony, available online or it’s also the preface to the Book of Mormon, in his own words! There are certain racial overtones in their beliefs that I can’t believe haven’tbeen brought out in the light!!!
        I believe that a person has the right to privately practice any religion that they so choose. But if that person chooses to run for the President of the United States of America and they’re going to stand behind that religious conviction, then they owe the American people an explanation of why they stand behind or even knew of, (God forbid!!!) certain teachings of that religion, and also be given the chance to renounce the same. But the Mormon religion to me is no more than a cult and here are two blasphemious quotes, one by it’s founder, and one by it’s arguably most revered statesmen and one time president of their prestigious BYU;
        Quote: The scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it. Here, then, is eternal life–to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all gods have done before you, namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one; from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings. and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming His name, is not trifling with you or me.” (LDS President Joseph Smith, History of the Church, Vol.6, Ch.14, p.305-6, LDS Collectors Library ’97 CD-ROM)

        Quote: “Intelligent beings are organized to become Gods, even the Sons of God, to dwell in the presence of the Gods, and become associated with the highest intelligences that dwell in eternity. We are now in the school, and must practice upon what we receive.” (LDS President Brigham Young, Discourses of Brigham Young, p.245, LDS Collectors Library ’97 CD-ROM)

        The Bible is QUITE clear about whether or not WE (Bible believing, Born Again Christians) should support Mitt or not;

        “Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” – I John 1:8-11 (KJV)

        I can only imagine that casting a vote is the equivalent of bidding one God speed!

      • steve in AZ

        Whether or not many of your conclusions are true,sir, which I doubt, you forgot one:

        Obama will do as TPTB tell him to do. Romney will do as TPTB tell him to do.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Hey Blue, I only disagree with one sentence within your statement.
        “He will be bought off just like obama was.”
        I don’t believe obama was bought off by anyone. He was evil from the start. He was raised and “groomed” for this position. He is exactly what his creators created him to be. He was always a plant. He was groomed to appeal to the masses, a good looking, charismatic black man that everyone could love. All that talk about hope and change? All lies! He is doing everything he can do to further the agenda of those who created him.

      • DaveH

        Dick Morris advised Bill Clinton. Enough said.

      • DaveH

        Mark says — “The Republican Party hasn’t represented me since they gave us the imbecile corporate stooge Reagan, yet I am supposed to vote for who the Republican establishment gives me becasue they told me Obama is the boogeyman, is that the gist of it?”.
        Who do you think you’re kidding, Mark? You’re a Liberal. I doubt seriously that you have ever voted for anybody that wasn’t a Democrat.

      • Vigilant

        Having said what I’ve said, I need to clarify something. It will probably surprise some when I say that I’m voting for Ron Paul. I believe he is closest to my vision of what America should be. I don’t agree with him on a couple of things (Iran and legalization of drugs), but I’m not a one-issue voter. Moreover, I think that he would learn, as most presidents have, that he would need to compromise on some issues to be successful.

        Why am I voting this way? Purely and simply because I know that my vote will count for nothing electorally. I reside in the People’s Republic of New York, where Jesus himself could run against Obama and lose. My vote will add to the popular protest vote against both parties, yet not affect the electoral outcome. In short, I have the luxury of voting for Paul.

        In rock solid red or blue states the vote for Paul will not count. In the “Purple” states, i.e., the swing states, a vote for Paul could put the electors on the Democrat side of the ledger and that would be disastrous for the nation. The zealous voters for Dr. Paul in those states may be simply cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

      • Old Henry

        Vigilant:

        In the entire list I so not one mention of which, or how many, unconstitutional / illegal government agencies Romney will iliminate. None would be my guess.

        With that he will accomplish no long-term improvements.

        Romney also says he will restore military cuts. That is a very bad idea. He needs to continue military cuts by permanently closing ALL overseas bases in his first 12 months in office (for you Obama voters that is one year) You will notice I said military cuts, not defense cuts.

        As far as appointing conservative judges, I doubt that. As I remember reading, Romney appointed a pro-deviate marriage judge in MA while he was governor.

        Without pledging to shut down / permanently eliminate all unconstitutional agencies, once again, he will affect no long-term / permanent improvements.

        Ron Paul or nothing at all. We may be voting Gary Johnson.

      • Sam

        Dear Vigilant Dildo: You wus! Romney is the mini-Hussein or haven’t you progressed from Dr. Zuess? If Romney wins the GOP election, I will only then support him. But what you don’t seem to understand is, he will change nothing on his own. He is a liberal .. a simple fact .. one which you undoubtedly can’t or refuse to understand. If America does not have a solid majority in the House and Senate – a conservative, right wing Congress, then Romney will imitate his peers in the Democrat party. He will NOT do any of the things you stated, without being made to do so. I will not give away this election by voting third party and I surely hope that the rest of America will do the same, but the Republicans are no where near the party of conservatives that history says they once were and more of them lean to moderate and liberal visions, than ever before.

        Instead of a brokered convention, I would rather see our military combine solid forces and perform a military coup. It would be better to start over now, than let this debacle continue.

      • Vicki

        DavidL says:

        The problem with your interesting political analysis is that we have no idea what Romney will do once he is in office. That’s the problem with him.

        We know exactly what Romney will do. He will rename Obamacare to Romneycare. We have his track record in Massachusetts for examples.

      • Michael

        I do not believe Romney, if elected will accomplish a third of your laundry list. He is just another big government, left leaning moderate Republican. The country has little chance of reversing the last 4 years of W. Bush and the 4 years of Obama, no matter which Republican, currently running is nominated and maybe even elected.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Vigilant says:
        March 27, 2012 at 8:02 am
        Dateline Washington, D.C., March 27, 2013

        Enjoyed that immensely. Perhaps the time is now for Ron Paul & his supporters, Americans all, to start the final rejection of the political eletist establishment two party system and establish a positive change in direction to a strong Constitutional electable 3rd party presidential candidate.
        Reject the media induced fear propaganda that “a vote for Paul is a vote for Obama” or Romney is better than 4 more years of Obama.

      • Mark in LA

        No DaveH, I am a paleoconservative, look it up. Maybe they even have it in all the Mises crap you read. You see, us paleocons were never fooled by Reagan – just like Ron Paul wasn’t fooled by him. The only notable paleocon who was a Reagan stooge is Pat Buchanan, but then he owed a lot of his livelyhood to Ronnie. Pat did eventually come around in many ways, such as his realization of what “free-trade” really meant to the American worker. Pat still has a blind spot when it comes to Reagan though.

      • DaveH

        From Conservapedia:
        “Paleoconservative is a term that describes conservatives who opine strong restrictions on immigration, a rollback of multicultural programmes, the decentralization of the federal polity, the restoration of controls upon free trade, a greater emphasis upon economic nationalism and isolationism in the conduct of American foreign policy, and a generally revanchist outlook upon a social order in need of recovering old lines of distinction and in particular the assignment of roles in accordance with traditional categories of gender, ethnicity, and race”.
        Get used to it, Mark. I call everybody, who wants more Government, Liberals.

      • Sue

        Romney will turn this country around! It won’t happen over night and it will probably take some sacrifice from all of us. But this great country is worth it. We still have many freedoms of which other countries do not enjoy. My father was a great American. He served in World War II and Korean. He taught me to pray, to place my hand over my heart when ever the American Flag was displayed, to be kind to all people and to look to God. We need to look at the whole individual. We need to ask God which of the candidates would best serve this country. I personally feel Mitt Romney will do all he can to preserve the Constitution and our freedoms. He has my vote and I believe Ron Paul would make a great vice president! Freedom of speech is great!

      • just amused

        Vigilant, you are aware that Dick Morris is a useless tool right?

      • Used2B

        Dick Morris, neo-con. Just like Kings George 1 & 2, Conmey, Santorium, Shame-me, McLame, and the salamander. These are more of the same. Big government, Amorican empire building, puppets of the disgustingly greedy and wealthy, continuance of the use of the US Constitution as toilet paper. WAKE THE HELL UP !!! The country is being flushed down the toilet and you want to vote for more of the same. If the person you are willing to vote for is not going to obey and hold the US Constitution up as the supreme law of the land, as the chain upon their appetite for more power, then you are willing to vote for the country being flushed. Look behind the freakin curtain !! The demoncrites and republicruds, with very few exceptions, are 1 and the same.

      • http://www.earthtek.us dan powell

        none of what romney might do will be worth a dollar while he continues down the party road of spend, war, spend, war, spend, war etc and sucks up to the banksters who own him.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Oh, and by the way, GREAT PIECE BEN!!! Showoff!

      • Butch

        Romney will say whatever it takes to win the election…even if its bullcrap. only Ron Paul can be trusted. Look at his message and voting record.

      • The Yakima Kid

        Romney *invented* Obamacare. Why do so many voters have the attention span of a squirrel?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1339255666 Rhonda Reichel

        Network was a very prophetic movie….people suspend disbelief once the TV takes control
        - how the GOP will fire Ron Paul & try to keep his supporters in the fold,,,, ha ha…fat chance (I can’t believe this guy actually said that OR that they shamelessly rig these primaries)
        video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sigqVWdt1R0

        YES THE GOP DESERVES NOT ONLY TO LOSE….BUT TO BE ABOLISHED

      • Russ

        Which “defense cuts” will Romney restore? Have you noticed that defense spending has gone up annually? Probably not.

      • Anonymous Joe

        ROMNEY AND OBAMA ARE THE SAME CANDIDATE.

        I AM AFRAID MARCO RUBIO, LIKE BARACK OBAMA, IS A BUSH PROXY AND FAMILY SERVANT –SAD TO SAY.

        GEORGE H.W. BUSH WANTS TO CASH IT IN SO HE’S BRINGING ROMNEY IN TO LIQUIDATE AND STEAL AMERICAN ASSETS.

    • Warrior

      February 21, 2013. today “gumby in chief” proclaimed that the only way to get gas prices down to a manageable level will be for the gubmint to nationalize the oil companies. So dingy harry proposed the new “affordable gas act”. The two remaining repubs in the congress objected but were quickly removed from the senate floor.

    • Teresa M.

      I agree! It’s time to stop voting for the lesser of two evils the lesser is still evil. I want my freedoms, I want my nephews to enjoy those same freedoms and incase you haven’t noticed it Romney will continue to remove them also. It was Mccain who co-sponsored NDAA and the majority of republicans back it including Romney. The repubs are just as dangerous if not more so than Obama. The only difference in the 2 parties is who they want to spend our money on. The truth is they are out of touch and don’t care to know anything but who their next big donor is. As for 4 more years of Obama, I think we have no one to blame but the people who are just accepting the lesser of the 2 evils. You my friends have set the stage for this madness. Instead of being heard and voting for your principles you have told the powers that be that you will accept whatever garbage they give you. What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. So here we are folks any changes yet? So to Jane down below- No I will not shut up. You can vote for the garbage they give you, but I won’t. Things will never change if you just accept the way it is. If your not part of the solution you are part of the problem.

      • http://www.facebook.com/TandJMcCall Teri Mount McCall

        I agree with you Teresa. Although I am “writing in” Newt myself. He is more experienced to undo ALL of BO’s BS and he is the sharpest knife in the drawer to boot.

      • DaveH

        No, you don’t agree with Teresa, Teri. If you did, you wouldn’t even think about electing Newt.
        The problem is that the vast majority of people still haven’t awakened to the fact that most of the Leaders have no intentions to represent the people. They represent themselves. They like that Power and they will tell the people whatever sweet-sounding lies that it takes to get re-elected. It’s as simple as that.
        The stupid things they seem to do are not stupid at all once you realize that they have no intentions to do what’s best for the people. The Leaders do what’s best for themselves. They throw just enough crumbs to the citizens to get re-elected.
        It’s time we all start getting educated to reality, and really learn what Freedom means. What it Doesn’t mean is “as long as you get to do the things you like, you are Free”. Due to the vast diversity of life-styles, we will never be Free until we learn to accept the Freedom of others to control their own bodies and property — even if we don’t approve.

      • 4me2777

        We have not gotten to vote yet in NM, a ‘swing’ state, I am voting for Ron Paul!

        My ex husband who is very high up in party politics (we always argued over politics) called me before the first primary and told me that Romney was their pick to run against as he is the same as what we have now and they will lose no ground with their plans. The reason for his call is that I’m probably the only independent that will talk to him even for a short time and he was interested in my view of the issues. Though I am an independent I am registered as a Republican for this election as that is the primary I want to vote in, the last primary I was registered as a democrat, I have switched back and forth for decades rather than lose the opportunity to vote in a primary because I’m an independent. Without support from the independents, he said, they cannot win.

        He demanded to know what news organization I watched as I refuted his globalist positions on issues that he questioned me on, when I told him that I got my news from research on the internet he was furious, he told me they were working on putting an end to that, and we have watched for months as one attempt after another has been made to shut down the only information that is ‘leaking’ out of the totally controlled MSM, he admitted that they DO have control of that, almost bragged about it. He had no reason to lie to me about their control over the person they had decided in meetings would be the Republican nominee, they being the persons included in the meeting he had just come from and was so excited about.

        This people, is how we are being controlled to vote for who we are told to vote for, this is how they control the elections by telling us who ‘can’ win and that we are throwing away our votes if we vote for Ron Paul, THEY do not want to run against Ron Paul whom they have no control over. How can they declare a winner in the media when the rest of the nation hasn’t voted yet? We need to hold primaries in all states on the same day and put a stop to this manipulation.

        I am not voting for the lesser of two evils, I am not voting for the wolf in sheep’s clothing, I will not be manipulated or subjugated by these puppet masters pulling the strings of the hearts of the people. Give me liberty or give me death has never been truer in over 200 years than this election. No matter what happens in the future I intend to do everything within my limited power to live and die free, to strive for anything less is to surrender to these tyrants, I will stand or I will fall but i will never crawl.

    • BigBadJohn

      Vicki I agree, I will not vote for Obama or anyone of the GOP leaders. I will write in Ron Paul, if I throw my vote away – oh well not the first time!

      • Vigilant

        It’s not throwing your vote away; it’s a vote for Obama.

        Votes for Ross Perot were votes for Clinton.

      • BigBadJohn

        oh well I voted for Perot also…..

      • Vigilant

        Don’t expect me to thank you for helping elect Clinton.

      • DaveH

        If we vote for unprincipled Leaders just because they can get elected, then how would we ever progress back to Principles?
        I’m with BigBad. I’ve been voting for Principled Leaders for my entire voting life. They don’t get elected, but then at least I can say I wasn’t responsible for enabling Unprincipled Leaders.
        Vote Libertarian, the only Politicians who believe in Real Freedom.

      • Vicki

        BigBadJohn says:

        Vicki I agree, I will not vote for Obama or anyone of the GOP leaders. I will write in Ron Paul, if I throw my vote away – oh well not the first time!

        Vigilant and others will try and tell you that you are voting for Obama if you don’t vote for the republican nominee. This is obvious nonsense propagated by the 2 sides of the party. That being the party of the elite.

        This year the choice is so obvious as to be painful. Voting for Romney is a vote for obama because you will get obama or obama spelled with an R.

        Those who vote for anyone other than Ron Paul have cast a vote for Obama.

      • BigBadJohn

        The definition of ignorance is when you keep doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results!

        Keep doing what you have been doing and you will keep getting what you have been getting.

        Are you happy with where the last two president have taken this country? Then just keep the blinders on and keep voting party lines!

      • Vigilant

        “The definition of ignorance is when you keep doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results!”

        Exactly! Vote for your R.P (Ross Perot/Ron Paul) and you’ve done just that.

      • AKay

        Actually it would be the definition of insanity, not ignorance.

        The only thing Ron Paul and Ross Perot have in common is their names begin with the same letters. The similarity ends right there.

        Rarely has a candidate ever campaigned upon pure constitutional principles, and I doubt that there ever will be again…except for perhaps Rand. An idea whose time has come means it has come RIGHT NOW. You may never get the chance to do the RIGHT thing, not the marginally adequate thing – THE RIGHT THING in your lifetimes.

        You want to make the GOP grand again? Then vote for the man that can accomplish exactly that. Ron Paul. It’s really easy. I know you can do it…

      • Vicki

        Vigilant says:

        “The definition of ignorance is when you keep doing the same thing over and over again but expect different results!”

        Exactly! Vote for your R.P (Ross Perot/Ron Paul) and you’ve done just that.

        False comparison. Ross Perot != Ron Paul.

        Here is a short list of some of the examples of the difference and a couple of similarities.
        “With such declared policies as balancing the federal budget, a firm pro-choice stance on abortion, expansion of the war on drugs, ending outsourcing of jobs, support for gun control, belief in protectionism on trade, advocating the Environmental Protection Agency and enacting electronic direct democracy via “electronic town halls,” he became a potential candidate and soon polled roughly even with the two major party candidates.[20]”
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot

        All those are in the policies of Ross Perot.

        Looking at Ron Pauls policies you see the dramatic differences.

      • Vigilant

        Vicki, I think you know that I’m not comparing the philosophical positions of RP and RP., I’m talking about the abysmally poor running record of third parties in general. Please see my discussion with TML below.

      • Vicki

        Vigilant says:

        I’m talking about the abysmally poor running record of third parties in general.

        And we are talking about the abysmally poor record of the 2 parties of evil and evil-lite.

        Vote for evil or evil-lite and you will get the lessor of 2 evils. You still get evil, Constitution hating, big government politicians.

        Vote for the ONLY candadate who has taken a clear stance in support of the Constitution and has a THIRTY YEAR history of actions that match his stance.

        Vote Ron Paul or ObamaV1 or Obama V2. For me the choice is clear.

    • Ken S.

      Vicki, no matter how ethical and committed Ron Paul may be, a vote for him is a vote for Obama! ….. The practical and prudent side of “anti-Obama” voters can only allow them to vote for Romney as four more years of the current incompetent socialist will literally destroy our country. There is a real chance to make Obama another Jimmy Carter one-termer and we MUST grab it without hesitation and without guilt for abandoning the minority positions of Paul/Santorum/Gingrich. America got “snookered” in 2008, we must be practical and logical with our vote in 2012.

      • Conservative values, independent thinker

        Well Ken…if enough people continue to try to tell us to vote for the lessor or two evils…then you will be right. But if enough people vote for the one person who will really do the right thing for this country…you will be wrong!!

        Ron Paul…2012
        !!!

      • Mel in Arizona

        You are absolutely right, Ken. Whether you admire and support Ron Paul, or not.
        There is zero chance for him to achieve the Republican nomination OR defeat Obama.
        I pray that his supporters can get behind Mitt Romney – who IS able to take down King Obama.
        Mel in Arizona

      • DaveH

        Logic has nothing to do with it, Ken. Logic dictates that if you want your country to go in the right direction, you don’t vote for candidates who go in the wrong direction, whether they can get elected of not.

      • Vicki

        Ken S. says:

        Vicki, no matter how ethical and committed Ron Paul may be, a vote for him is a vote for Obama! …..

        Your logic is a bit flawed. A vote for Romney is a vote for obama. This year it is especially obvious as the choice appears to be Obama or Miniobama. Changing O to R still gets you Obama.

      • Void1972

        Tom
        You have to respect a person for their actions, not their words. Romney lives his life as a better Christian than most so called “born again”. He walks the walk. No BS.
        Many are born into a religion, and that is their world. Many do not agree with what is going on in their church, but go to worship our Lord.
        The Catholic Church has been corrupted for many decades by an evil that has infiltrated not only my church, but all religions. If you don’t understand this fact, then read “To eliminate the opiate.”
        A vote for any other candidate would be a vote for evil. If you are a true Christian, Then you know how deceitful satan is, much like obama is. They have much in common, they pray on human weakness to gain their needed following.
        Ron Paul is a good man also, but he will divide the good people of America if he decides to run. This is how evil will win.
        Please think about what your position is. A vote for a second candidate is a vote for satan.
        Satan has been in control long enough. It’s time for true hope and change!
        God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

    • Harold Olsen

      Of the four morons still left in the race, my choice is none of the above. I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils either. None of them are true conservatives yet they each claim to be the only true conservative in the race. No, I won’t waste my vote on someone I don’t believe in. I’ll write in someone I do believe in. Unfortunately, the party has anointed Obama clone Mitt Romney so he will be the one we are stuck with and Obama will get reelected and this country will become a total dictatorship. In 2012, if we actually have an election, will be the last free election for probably decades to come. I believe that Obama will do whatever he can to stay in office for the rest of his life. I’m still waiting for something to happen to give Obama an excuse to declare martial law so he can “postpone” the election.

      • Mel in Arizona

        Harold……..you just aren’t thinking clearing………planning to waste your precious vote that way?!! Get behind a strong champion of America. Evidently you have not actually heard the truth about Mitt Romney’s positions. Do a bit of research (and not from his enemies -
        from Mit, himself, about what he believes and promises to do, and I believe that it will surprise and delight you.
        Mel in Arizona

      • DaveH

        Then you are mistaking NeoConservatives with Conservatives, Harold. Because there is One True Conservative in the race. His name is Ron Paul. Paul is the only one who represents the citizens. The rest represent themselves and their fellow Leaders.
        We’ve gotten to this point in time because the call to Leadership generally attracts the worst segment of Society — those self-serving people who want the Power and Perks that come with being in Government, and because the average voter thinks every wrong can be controlled with enough Power.
        Every wrong can’t be controlled, but Politicians are always happy to cater to peoples’ controlling instincts in order to be elected. The inevitable result is the loss of our Freedom.
        The only guiding Principle that will enable a return of Freedom and Prosperity is to recognize peoples’ inherent right to control their own bodies and property, even if you think their actions foolish, or unsightly, or any other personal pet peeve you might have.
        To do otherwise is to further the degradation of our once Free country into just another also-ran country run by despots.

      • Vicki

        Mel in Arizona says:

        Harold……..you just aren’t thinking clearing………planning to waste your precious vote that way?!! Get behind a strong champion of America.

        Correct. That champion has a name. Ron Paul.

        Don’t waste your precious vote on Miniobama.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Mel, Mitt is a heretic! Why would you vote for a man whose religion states; God was once a man. Brigham Young said, “If our Father and God should be disposed to walk through these aisles, we should not know Him from one of the congregation. You would see a man and that is all you would know about Him.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. II pg. 40) Now I agree that that might be taken a little out of context, but please let me continue. Although most Mormons no longer practice polygamy, they do teach that God the Father has many wives, and that He now lives on a planet near the star Kolob, with His many wives having spiritual children. (Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:9, 16) They also teach that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers. (Ensign Magazine, Dec. 1980, pg. 5) According to Mormon teaching, war in Heaven erupted when Jesus and Lucifer both approached God with their plans of salvation at the “Council of Gods.” (Abraham 3:23-28 & Talmage, Jesus the Christ, pp. 15&16) Lucifer’s plan was to make the people worship God, but Jesus’ plan was to show the people how to worship God. Lucifer’s plan was rejected and Jesus’ plan was accepted, and that Jesus became the Savior only because His plan was accepted. (Pearl of Great Price, Book of Moses 4:1-3) And that Lucifer became Satan when he rebelled and was thrown out of Heaven with a third of the spirits. They were sent to this planet. This is where demons come from. And of the other two thirds, one third stayed with Jesus in the battle, the other third didn’t fight as valiantly. These were the spirit children born to God and His wives. The ones who were faithful to Jesus were born as babies with white skin; the ones who didn’t fight as valiantly are born as babies with black skin. ( Doctrines of Salvation, vol. I, J.F. Smith, pg. 61. Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie, pp. 526 & 527, 1966 edition) Now how in the world does that explain Barack?! And if you live your life obedient to their laws and ordinances, according to Mormon teaching, you’ll become a god with your own planet. “As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become.” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, pg. 430) Mormons believe in large families because of their belief that where God is, there are many spirits waiting for human tabernacles, and each child they have will become a home for one of those spirits. (Mormon Doctrine, by B.R. McConkie, pg. 698. Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:22-28) Mormons once taught that Jesus had many wives, including the two sisters of Lazarus and Mary Magdalene. And that Jesus couldn’t become a god, unless He was married. (Journal of Discourses, vol. I, pg. 345 and vol. II, pg.210, Mormon Doctrine by B.R. McConkie, pp. 117&118) amongst other erroneous blasphemies!!!
        Why would I vote for a man who would prouldly proclaim to be a member of such a CULT?!!

    • Mel in Arizona

      Total BS Vicki! Only Mitt Romney can defeat King Obama. Love to see Ron as VP!

      • DaveH

        Then we may as well be stuck with Obama. Romney will head us in the same direction, only maybe a bit slower and less perceivable until we are a third-world country.
        Argentina had one of the top 10 best economies in the world in the early 1900s, but then they started implementing political procedures much like those our country is currently following. Now they are in the high 30s or low 40s (depending on the source) economic rankings.
        Our current Politicians are a cancer on our country, and the only way to cure that cancer is a radical Polectomy. And Ron Paul is the doctor.
        If you take the time to read this one book, Mel, it might wake you to the extreme amount of Propaganda we’ve all been subjected to:
        https://mises.org/store/Product2.aspx?ProductId=172
        Once the blinders have been lifted, you will start seeing much more clearly.

      • Vicki

        Mel in Arizona says:

        Total BS Vicki! Only Mitt Romney can defeat King Obama. Love to see Ron as VP!

        Does not matter if miniK Romney can defeat wantabeK obama. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. No matter which of the 2 wins you still get obamanomics and Romneycare.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Yeah Mel, you’ll always be able to count on Mitt to be on the winning side of every issue! Once he figures out which side that is!!! He’s sooo plastic, he sweats in different colors!

    • Tom Day

      If we lose the election, it will be because of people like yourself, Rush, Levin and Sarah who denegrate Romney constantly. Romney is more conservative than Santorum or Newt, LDS (mormans) are the most conservative people in this country. Romney is nothing like Obama,he can lead us into this century in a positive way. He will deal w/ China, Illegals and he knows how to make the business call America prosperous and you do a dis-service to us all throwing the same ole talking points out as though its true, stop lying to yourself, Romney will win, so stop helping Dems and help us move forward.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        “if we lose the election”?
        If romney wins, we still lose!

      • DaveH

        And a burglar is less onerous than a rapist. But would you choose either one?

      • DaveH

        That was to Tom.

      • jerry

        The trouble with most all religions Muslims,Mormons etc. is that they serve a false god .Jesus Christ is God. He is the one who will continue to bless the US or not.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        Tom, I’ll bet you a dollar to a dime that if Mitt wins the GOP nomination, that before that night is over, there will have already have been several documentaries on MSM channels exposing Mormon beliefs as heretical!!! I’ll bet that they’ll even find a common ancestor in Mitt’s and Warren Jepp’s family trees!!!

    • bob jones

      There is only one honest and honorable candidate running, and that is Ron Paul, which is why the GOP stated before the first primary that they would do whatever it takes to make sure that Ron Paul does not get their nomination. They know he cannot be bought and they certainly have kept their promise to do whatever it takes to defeat him, I have never seen such complete and total, out in the open voter fraud like we have seen this year and that takes some doing, it is something they have a great deal of practice at, and with the help of the cowardly, corrupt media they have perfected it. They must be so proud of themselves. [There will be no vote for the lesser of two evils this time, it is only Ron Paul]

      • Geno

        It’s as if the MSM is trying to tell us something….why are they so strongly opposed to Ron Paul???? Is it because Ron Paul would be good for America and bad for the evil from which the MSM actually takes its marching orders?

        The message is clear…the more the status quo opposes Ron Paul, the more We the People need to support him!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        bob, how can you call your candidate’s inability to attract voters, voter fraud?!! That’s just bein’ a sore loser isn’t that right Bob?! Sure RP didn’t get a fair shake from the MSM, but did he or you really expect one?! Politics is dirty pool and the one who can make themselves seem the most attractive to the most voters wins, end of story! Ron made some waves and some good points but has failed to win over the voters to his way of thinking. Domestically I’m with him almost 100%, especially when it comes to exposing the FED for what they truly are! Romney is a part of that!!! But when it came to the foreign policy stuff such as his NIEVE’ stance on Iran and Islam in general, I think he missed the mark BADLY!!! I know that perception shouldn’t matter, but it does! Ron Paul comes off more as your kooky old grandad than as leader of the Free World!

    • Max

      Exactly, If we don’t elect Dr. Paul, America is lost. Obummer or another Republicrat is not the answer. We tried the Bush’s, Had such awful choices as Bob Dole and John the middle McCain. I 100% refuse to vote for the lesser of two evil’s. I will write in Dr. Paul if I have to. The rest of you either get with our only hope or prepare to defend yourselves cause all hell will break out if it’s Obummer or one of the other 3 Republicrats.

    • simian_pete

      Doesn’t look good vicki !!!

      Ron Paul for President !!!!

      The Republican party just doesn’t “get it” ….

      THE USA won’t have another chance …..

      The REPUBLICANS propose Romney – who is part of the problem…..

      They should propose a CONSTITUTIONAL solution – Ron Paul….

      All I know is MAN PROPOSES, BUT GOD DISPOSES ….

      God will have the last word in this election ….

      If this means the end of the Republican party – because of their irresponsibility .. SO BE IT !

      IF this means the end of Barack Obama and the Power Elite .. So BE IT …

      GOD WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD !!!!

      GOD BLESS OUR REPUBLIC !!!

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