the only PROOF that is available is that zimmerman defended himself, there is no other PROOF to date

You motards this is not a picture from the scene this is a picture used to make idiots assume just that and then come up with all sorts of crap. If you are serious you have been had and sensationalized which is just what the media wants is you to be pounding around acting stupid! But I think that you are smarter than that!

Since when can you look at the back of a persons hand and determine how old they are, Give the world a break it is only a picture and it contains many errors of carry protocal. But Carry does not if licensed to do so require a holster at all me bucko. Now straight unlicensed vehicular carry requires one or a case locked but it requires a holster with a trigger strap in Florida. But you are not allowed to carry this on your person without being certified to do so!

eliwhit I know it is not a picture from the scene I was replying to
goatee’s comments. As far as determining the age from the photo, that was the whole point of my responce to his comment about the age.

My apologies CZ52 , missed that part, again my apologies to you sir!

You are mainly correct. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Florida. A few years ago I was getting out of my car to go into a convenience store. As I was getting out of my car my shirt slid up and there was a pickup next to me that sat up much higher then my car. I was standing in line and the Police came in and approached me and asked if I had a gun. They escorted me outside and another Police car pulled up. I showed the Police my permit and asked of there was a problem, The Police replied “NO” and told me to secure it better and not to expose it. The key word here is “properly secured”. It does not have to be in a holster. If it is kept in a holster there is no certain kind of holster that is necessary. A person could use a fanny pack, The permit stats “concealed weapon and firearm license. It could be any kind of concealed weapon . You don’t need a holster for a knife etc.

what the klan perpetuated has been condemned by many. Also referring to what others did wrong certainly does not justify a present wrong. And to make this a race issue is continued hypocrisy. Zimmerman looka more hispanic, why play the white/hispanic card? I can tell you why, because this is happening in Florida, hello, wake up. You start some sort of race fight with the hispanics and the blacks will have there butts handed to them. Of course you want to focus on the white side of Zimmerman, those hypocritical black reverends wouldn’t dare stir this up against the hispanics, nor would Obama. He has to suck up for every vote needed in the coming election. A bounty, what is this the wild west, and who do these arrogant black panthers think they are? So next time a white boy or hispanic boy is killed by black, then lets not have the liberal media come out to condemn. What are you going to do if a black kills a hispanic and the MS 13 comes out to put a bounty on someone. Now you have a storm you don’t want. Or some white militia coming out with a bounty. Wake up people. Where is the leadership in the nation with backbone to stand for justice. Our constitution says, “we the People” not we the white, black or hispanic people. If this was black on black crime, it would never have made the news.

madgorilla…I read Zimmerman was told to NOT follow this young man, maybe if he had listened this would have never happened.

To Honestly: Zimmerman, and his attorney say that he was returning to his vehicle when Martin confronted him. In other words, he was retreating as instructed. As more facts become available, it is obvious that Martin was not the angelic young man the media has claimed him to be. I could recite a ton of cases similar to this carried out by similar “angelic” young men, but anecdotal information isn’t admissible, so its pointless.

Maybe not all of the facts are in as of yet. There seems to be a lot of judging going on here, so maybe everyone needs to be nice and not judge.

You know like Cubans are white and hispanic. Mexicans are dark and hispanic, Haitians are black hispanics and so on and so on!

Murder is a state law. The feds don’t like to admit that and want laws so they can punish instead.

A Marine on the border about twenty years ago now shot and killed a Mexican who was shooting at him and his friends. He was tried in a miltiary court at the behist of the Feds who wanted to make Mexico happy – and was found innocent. So the feds insisted it should have been tried in a civil court since the Mexican was a civilian. So the civilian court found him innocent too. Then he was tried by the Feds on civil rights violations which is/was the ONLY thing the feds could try him on. I believe he was foiund innocent there too. One reason might have been because the Marine was of Mexican decent too. But when it came down to the finals, he was tried THREE times for the same crime because the Feds wanted to find him guilty so Mexico would feel better about it. Not because what he did was wrong.

Now Chris I like that story and that is not just the Marine Sniper motto I try to make it mine as well, I was taught that by my Stepdad. I cannot say it is always the outcome but I try to make it so!

Scout sniper for 1st Battalion 4th Marine Regiment from Camp Pendleton back in 1997. Was on loan to the DEA working jointly with Border Patrol to track drug smugglers. Only fired one shot after being fired upon several times. Marine Corps sniper motto….one shot, one kill.

How can you refer to an incomplete investigation as ‘poorly handled’? I suppose you’d be happier with the false arrest of a man who is simply defending himself. The investigation may well find Zimmerman indictable based on the evidence. There has to be evidence of a crime before an arrest. Now that Mr. Obama and Al Sharpton have weighed in on the issue, no doubt an arrest is imminent–evidence of not.

The police did not fully investigate until days after the killing. Something wrong with that picture.

Eddie you are an obvious dimwit, I suggest you go back to all of the articles and reread them all. I think your predisposed memory is failing you in order that you can come up with your own predisposed verdict! Wake up and smell the coffee man!

Good point and maybe Zimmerman and Polanco should be tried in court and not given a free pass on the Stand Your Ground law. Both incidences are suspect.

Or cars? They kill more people a year than anything I can think of.

Are you playing that old song and dance Caliber? Cars aren’t the issue in this case it’s human reaction to threats perceived by Zimmerman and Martin. Even in the other case the perp got out of his car to assult someone.

I would ask a question like “Who are you and why are you chasing me?” With my response being ” I am visiting my parents” Followed up with “Do you want to escort me there?” But no, we don’t know about any of these obvious questions. That is the “tribal knowledge” that I try to teach my children. It may save their lives. An remember, no matter if the person is good or bad, if they have a gun, they are “right” It is no fun being dead, but right.

eddie:

Where do you get the idea that Zimmerman was waving a gun at Martin? I seriously doubt that Martin or anyone else would try to slip back to attack Zimmerman as Martin did. Instead, they would be running. I’m certainly not going to attempt to challenge anyone waving a gun, even if I have a gun myself. I’m fairly certain that if Martin had realized Zimmerman had a gun, he’d have run. And I would bet that would have been the end of the entire affair. In fact, I’d seriously doubt if ANYONE with any sense would have stopped to challenge anyone waving a gun in the air.

Why would anyone want a concealed weapons permit if they aren’t willing to use it? Some of you want everyone to be armed so let’s put that into the equation. Would it be better if Trayvon had a permit and shot back at him to kind of even out the score. That would have made great headlines! Once again did Trayvon have a right to defend himself against a suspected civilian attacker?

he did not disobey 911 dispatch, he agreed with them and stopped

Wow Alex, I ask that you do not stand in front of my .45 auto because it is double action on the first round. (about a 6 pound trigger pull) Plus with the safety off, the hammer block is disengaged, thereby allowing it to go bang if dropped on the hammer.

The firearm pictured–if it is not the Berretta Model 92, is one of the knock-offs–has been de-cocked but is a double-action pistol and the man’s finger seems to be inside the trigger guard…giving rise to the astute observation that he just may remap his posterior via firearm discharge if he isn’t careful.

Wrong ajax! 2 means could fire this gun in the process of pulling it out 1) pulling the trigger if it is a double action semi-automatic! 2)If he were to accidentally half snag the hammer and drop it while pulling it out of the belt line it is possible it will fire with less than a full drop of the hammer! Many guns with a chambered round if dropped and it hits on the hammer hard enough will fire unless it is a newer model with the hammer slid safety in addition to the locking safety in this case the locking safety is off so hammer drop is possible!

Thor: I love your description of remapping his posterrior! Now would that be a sight or what!?

John…It could be the boy was scared because he was being followed and was defending himself.

Honestly says:

John…It could be the boy was scared because he was being followed and was defending himself.

I don’t think that being followed is a sufficient threat as to justify beating someone in “defense.”

Vicki, I’m very curious, How would you respond if you were minding your own business and someone was following you in this day and time with the way things are?

Si then you MUST not believe that shooting someone for hitting you is acceptable?

Honestly says:

Vicki, I’m very curious, How would you respond if you were minding your own business and someone was following you in this day and time with the way things are?

I would lead them to the nearest policeman or police station of course. What would you do? Confront them and try and beat them up?

I would run. I am smart enough to know that I am no match for them, but I for sure would not try to take them anywhere. That is dangerous talk.

Honestly says:

I would run.

Then you would just die tired.
http://www.kens5.com/video/yahoo-video/Alleged-Mexican-Mafia-shooter-140794073.html
And that is just one of MANY examples. One of the victims even had a gun but chose to run away.

I am smart enough to know that I am no match for them, but I for sure would not try to take them anywhere. That is dangerous talk.

Yes running would be dangerous talk. Here is another example.
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2012/03/30/sacramento-street-shooting-victim-dies-arrest-made/

Obviously you just want to argue and I choose not to, so I will not respond to your posts again. May God bless you…

Some folks like vickie and charles moore do not want to hear or see the facts! Checked out your links hope they all stay in the California area. Who needs that! How much has obama touched on these issues?

The only one here that doesn’t want to see the facts are you and your defenders. I could care less. You are a racist and a bigot and i have detailed it in several posts. You also lack common sense and are incapable of drawing conclusions since you can’t use common sense and get from point “A” to point “B”,When called on it then the best you can do is whining and name calling.

eliwhit says:

Some folks like vickie and charles moore do not want to hear or see the facts!

You would have to have some facts (and bring them) before you could begin to determine if we do or do not want to hear or see “the facts”. I did happen to bring some facts with me and posted the links.

so you did so you did! My bad!

Just do it the right way – get the facts, go to trial, evaluate the evidence, and then decide whether it was murder or just justifiable homicide. But whatever the “perceived threat” laws were supposed to do, if anybody is killed, there must be a very careful investigation of the facts at hand – not what was and has been done in the Travon Martin/Zimmerman catastrophe. Otherwise there will continue to be a lot of murders/killings/manslaughters or what have you because someone was wearing ” “different” clothes or looking at someone crosseyed. Sounds like the South in the days before 1964. Pretty soon, with the perceived threat laws, what used to be playground scuffles will result in homicides. Our nation has never been cultured, was on the road to becoming civilized, but is now retreating into mere settlement. We’d better start talking rather than screaming and then shooting, or we are all goners, whether we carry AK 47′s, bazookas, simple 9mm sidearms, pocket change, or iced tea and Skittles.

This is a perfect example of why we need people in office who have an historical perspective and can see context. The problems we have today, like the Martin case, are the result of 100 years of progressive ideology. As we get pushed farther and farther to the left, political correctness and class warfare become the norm, and common sense, reason, and conservatism become the aberrations.

Back in the days went everybody went armed, you thought twice or three times before doing something. Caution and common sense ruled the day to day interactions between people. We didn’t coddle those who transgressed against society. Prison was a place that was so horrible, most hard core outlaws fought it out with the law rather than go back. A man’s word was his bond, and honor was more important than anything else.

To be sure, there were things that were bad in those days (like treatment of minorities), but that was not just an American problem, it was a world problem. I think we’ve made a lot of progress since then, but the farther we slip to the left now, the more I fear we are losing that progress. Instead of striking a note of calm and reason, the President added fuel to the fire. Instead of prosecuting those who offered a bounty for Zimmerman, the Justice Dept. pretended that was never said.

This incident is just a small bump in the road that has been churned into a chasm that is swallowing every bit of reason in sight. It is a tiny wound that is being allowed to fester that if not cleansed, will lead to gangrene. This could be the pinprick that finally starts a race war that some people in this country have been working at for a very long time. If it starts, it will spread like wildfire. I imagine the Roman empire was very much like this in its final days. Is that what we really want to happen?

You are absolutely correct. Many people here don’t seem to understand that just because the 17 year old was not exactly innocent that Zimmerman gets a free pass. These people need to look up the definition of “neighborhood”. I have lived in my present Florida neighborhood for over 32 years and I do not know everybody in it or the Florida neighborhood before this one and they are all single family homes. The Zimmerman neighborhood has apartments in it with hundreds of people . There is no way that he could know everybody that lived in it much less people who were just visiting from elsewhere. This is why such patrols are discouraged even if unarmed. The fact that Zimmerman was armed magnifies it.

john you are so right. And be advised that my below post was not aimed at you or your post but at the idiot copakeman at the beginning of this article postings! This dumb system put it out of order even though it was a reply to copakeman the marvelous one!

I live in Florida about 160 miles from Sanford.I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. We are not allowed to display it for intimidation etc. We are on;y allowed to draw it if you are another are in imminent and fatal danger. Being so close to Sanford we get all the News . First of all, most neighborhood watches do not have patrols. They send out brochures encouraging people to report suspicious behavior and what to watch for as well as giving Emergency numbers. They also post signs stating that it is an active neighborhood watch area. The people in these patrols do not have any more power than any other citizen. The Police also discourage this people on patrol from carrying a weapon if they have a permit.Zimmerman has been cited for aggressive behavior in the past. He should have not been allowed a gun permit. He was also told by the Police dispatcher to cease following him and he disregarded it. Zimmerman claims he was following him which means that he was in back of him. Zimmerman also claims that the victim had his hands in his waist band etc. Please explain to me how Zimmerman could see in front of the victim while behind him.

It might be that the victim was not innocent etc.The New Black Panthers have offered a $10,000 reward for the capture of Zimmerman. How many clowns are going to be out there trying to collect it?. How many innocent people will be caught in the middle?.The race baiters Jackson and Sharpton do not belong here. The Brady Bunch should stay in D.C where Guns were banned and yet it had the highest crime rate. The Media based outside Florida is also down trying to stir up things. All because Zimmerman who should have had his permit taken away from him and disregarded advice not to follow him.It is not an example of “stand your ground” when you follow the person and create the situation.

If I am in a store and somebody pulls a gun then I have to do something at that moment. If he turns and flees then I am not allowed to shoot him since there is no imminent danger. If Zimmerman was responsible then he would know all of the above. He disregarded it it just as he disregarded the advice not to follow and the advice of Police not to carry a weapon on patrol. I wish that people who have little knowledge of the facts but feel some sense of self importance and the need to comment.

“eliwhit” I would like you to explain me since when is “hispanic” considered a race?
I need an answer better than a 3rd grader.

so now we get caught up in symantics, what do you want hear, hispanic, latino, or must we get really precise like, puerto rican, quatemalan, nicoruagaun, costa rican, honduran, cuban, and then what about african american, rediculous, since they have no clue about which country in africa they are from. Why don’t we call ourselves Irish american, or british american, or german american, or french amercian,,, How about american regardless of color. Again, making this a color issue. Someone getting killed is the issue regardless of race. If it was a black killing a black, there would be no news here. Let’s get the facts and stop the race baiting and bounty hunting. Blacks don’t want a race fight with hispanics in florida, unless they are plain stupid. People behind the scenes provoking this entire thing, wake up people, slow down, stop the hate.

Where are you getting your information. I love about 150 miles from the area and get all the local News. The kid wasn’t lurking anywhere. There is video of Martin in the store buying things and causing no problems. Zimmerman was driving in his SUV and saw Martin walking and stopped his car and got out and followed Martin Zimmerman had no right to do do. Zimmerman was outside his community and has no police powers anyplace. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Florida. You are not allowed to display your weapon or even show it n a threatening manner unless your life or the life of somebody else is in imminent danger. If it would have been me and I thought something was suspicious then I would have phoned the Police and left the area or observed at a distance until there was a problem. Zimmerman is a wannabe clown who showed bad judgement. The fact that Zimmerman and his wife lied about their finances at the first bail hearing proves he is not credible. You had gullible and naive people that had contributed money for his defense in the amount of $155,000.00. They split the money among themselves and relatives and paid of other bills and then claimed they were broke at the first bail hearing. Zimmerman turned in a Passport he claimed had been lost and kept the one that replaced it.His own Lawyers admitted he was untruthful but wouldn’t do ti again. The facts that his defense fund is still getting thousands of dollars a day proves the ignorance of people. If I had given money and found out that this clowns were using the money for their own personal gains then I would be upset.