Opps, I meant contraceptives! The spelling police might still be out today!

IF YOU PEOPLE WOULD JUST READ OR WATCH TO SEE WHAT SHE SAID, YOU WOULD SEE THAT SHE SAID NOTHING ABOUT HER SEX LIFE!!!!!!! Which, of course, would indicate that there was no reason to call her a slut. Limbauch probably didn’t listen to or read it either.

She said she spent 3K on contraceptives. Now there is some debate whether or not that was for a year or the whole time she has been attending school, either or, that’s a lot of contraceptives! Just what else do you use contracaptives for Karlolyn?!!

CJ, what are you trying to say? That they can dish it out, but can’t TOLERATE it?!! What do you think Karlolyn?!!

Do you actually KNOW what she said? What were the outlandish claims? She said nothing that warranted her being called a slut. Limbaugh probably didn’t read the transcript either. All he heard was “contraceptives” and “$3000″ and he came to his own conclusions, much like all the haters here.

What? Are you afraid you may learn that you have been had by your minders?

jon, how can you be sure you’re not the one that has been indoctrinated/brainwashed; obeying you’re handler’s bidding?

He was had a LONG time ago Jay!

Insane to ask you to view for yourself? really?

and you are sane? right?

Oh, go climb back in your puddle!

Jay & FF,

I try yet, try as I might saddly the numbers are still hanging around in Da Nile along with their Demi God’s and Con Artist.

You guys have a Great Night, enjoy life as much as you can as I don’t think we have long at this point in time.

Have you either of you looked into how the Chinese Government feels about the new NDAA, Did you know They are making up a law just like it! Whats that say about the con artist thugs that run this nation.

Peace and Love my friends

If you have reliable source information of that, I’m happy to check it out. I’m easy. But until you give me a little proof, the news showed her testifying before a congressional committee.

I can’t think of many terms for a male slut that don’t seem to glorify the behavior in some way. They can be called womanizers, libertines, debauchers, playboys … but none of those have the same punch as “dirty whore.”

Maybe if some ignoramuses actually KNEW what she said before opening their mouths, they might actually have something of merit to say!

“Who the hell cares what that slut say’s”

Hmm? evidently Rush did. All his reasoning left his body and alien liberal forces took over!

The stuff must be powerful ! To make big man a fool ! Rush admits that he has been invaded! He’s not responsible for what he says anymore!

That’s just terrible !

Tom – Maybe if you learned to spell and wrote like an intelligent human being, you would be taken more seriously.

The point is that this is the site that is stirring the pot not the MSM as many here like to believe.

Obama’s “team” did not initiate the talk about sex; Limbaugh did.

There is obviously a difference, Jay. If there was more sex education, there would be less problems. Why do you find it necessary to contribute lame crap anymore? Are you a different Jay or do you have a Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde personality. The Jay I remember used to contribute important, interesting information to these discussions. It was often info that would make me stop and ponder. Not much of that going on here now. Same old blah, blah, blah.

You didn’t answer the question, Karolyn!

Jay – Gee, you got me! What I should have written was “conservatives wanting to call people names with reference to sex.” Is that better? Or should I have said “another day of conservatives wanting to use the word slut over and over again?” How about “another day of so-called Christians denigrating someone who never said what they say she said?” Shall I go on?

Hmm, there’s something missing in your post, Karolyn. What could that be? Oh yes, balance! Let me rephrase it for you.

Jay – Gee, you got me! What I should have written was “conservatives and liberals, wanting to call people names with reference to sex.” Is that better? Yes, Karolyn, that’s better.

Or should I have said “another day of conservatives and liberals wanting to use the word slut over and over again?” Good good, keep going.

How about “another day of so-called Christians and liberals, and conservatives denigrating someone who never said what they say she said?” Shall I go on? Not necessary, Karolyn, i think i made your point for you.

Now do you get it, Karolyn; that vulgarity is not exclusive to one specific political party, or religion? You’re welcome!

None of the other stories are that interesting to me; and once I get started, if the posts are ridiculous enough, I just can’t stop. Silly me! I’m addicted to PLD!

In an article by Alex Henderson he stated that Rick Santorum wants to severely prosecute Internet Porn and anyone caught with porn. ( That wouldn’t bother me too much but good luck). Unfortunately it’s the Red States that are at the top of the list in those buying porn. Even surprisingly to me Utah was at the top of the list. Then Conservative Oklahoma,Mississippi,Arkansas,Louisiana,Alaska,North Dakota,(then Dem W. Virginia) and continues to Conservative Kentucky and Texas. Now California came next but it must be the Conservative Southern half that wants to succeed from the State! Then comes toss up state Florida. The lowest in wanting out of marriage sexual desires comes Vermont a Democrat state. It’s going to be somewhat funny when Santorum’s vice squad makes all these arrests in Red States and Conservatives have to do his perp walk! A new reality show Sexual Deviants Most Wanted!!

miss karolyn, you have been known to do an occasional ridiculous post as well. Welcome to the club.

“Unfortunately it’s the Red States that are at the top of the list in those buying porn.’

Proof eddie give us some proof such as links and sources.

You must listen with liberal filters. She also gave personal examples to justify her point which meant she did.

Mercy sakes! Look who’s calling the kettle black!

I’ll bet you don’t have much of one do you Karlolyn?!!

Well said Bruce, very well indeed!!!

Bruce, he may be military, diplomatic corps, a businessman, a student abroad, etc., but he is still a typical Leftist.

Maybe it’s time some of you realize that not everyone in other countries love our continual wars and aggressive behavior. WWII is long over and it’s a whole new ball game these days.

And they’re getting ready to go down the ole’ economic drain and because we were foolish enough to get tied to this GLOBAL (See Rev. 13:16-18) economy, we’re going right down with them!!!

Tom…you want to know where this country would be had we followed the ‘advice’ of the Right when the economy collapsed in cutting budgets, emphasizing austerity, and practicing the so-called “fiscal responsibility’ advice from the TP and far Right? You need to look no further than Europe.

Europe chose that path, where President Obama chose to emphasize targeted spending, subsidizing our main industries by extending credit when no credit was available in the private market, and concentrating on getting the economy in shape before the deficits are attacked.

The results? Europe is flopping around like a gaffed salmon on the deck, and we’re coming out of the worst recession since the Depression, a recession which would have been a Depression but for the fiscal policies of this administration.

GM up, bin Laden down.

’nuff said.

Disillusioned, that’s what you are Flushy

- Barack Obama’s deep bow to Japan’s emperor
- “I’ve now been in 57 states—I think one left to go.”
- “corpse-men”
- Obama said, “A comrade of yours, Jared Monti, was the first person who I was able to award the Medal of Honor to who actually came back and wasn’t receiving it posthumously.” Wrong hero. Sgt. 1st Class Jared Monti was killed in action, another soldier, Staff Sgt. Sal Giunta, was the first living recipient of the Medal of Honor that fought in Afghanistan.
- During a trip to London’s Westminster Abbey, President Obama signed the guest book and dated it 24 May 2008. Oops. It was 2011
-Obama bowed to Saudi King Abdullah. The President insists he was just picking up a quarter.
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Obama did not flub the oath of office. The judge did.

Karolyn, WOW! I guess that changes everthing else too? Thanks for the correction, I’ll not use that one again.

Obama bangs his head on Air force one?Is that the best you can do.Bush you to spit every time he was on his way the Hellicopter,hardly elegant!
Among his “lovely”accomplishments”you forget to mention,he got Bin Laden,and the other
man didnt.Too busy starting a war of choice.
I certainly hope you DONT call yourself CHRISTIANS.I have never seen so many lies,hate,
bigotry.YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!
We obviousy do not share the same values.I certainly HOPE NONE OF YOU have Children.
They would be ruined by such values,too!

Tom..thank you for recognizing the facts of superiority.

You may want to think of the difference between a public persona who aims for publicity and is attacked as a public person by another public person…and a private person whose only “crime” was wanting to testify before a Congressional Committee who stacked the witness list excluding any position other than the one they wanted

ravenscalm says, “A private citizen should be exempt from political bullying.”

Wow! I guess you missed it…The real bully is Big Government. They’ve been bullying the private citizen for well over 150 years and Obama has elevated his status as the current top bully.

The government in the Age of Obama has gone beyond the big brother that watches out and cares for us. Instead, it has becomes the big brother that torments and bullies us and then takes what is rightfully ours: our savings, our freedom, and our futures.

A bully has other desires. A bully cares only about himself and his own greedy will to power. A bully taunts and threatens. A bully holds others in contempt. A bully disregards not only the wishes of those around him, but also the rules that may restrain his power. A bully takes what is not his.

Very early in 2009, the troika of Pelosi-Reid-Obama sought to expand the power of the federal government over states, businesses, and us. They all but nationalized the American auto industry (save Ford), overriding debtor rights and decades of law. They have also taken over chunks of the financial industry and, via their control over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, much of the housing industry. Many salaries will be set by the White House. Education, a local matter, is increasingly becoming a federal one. The student loan industry has also been brought in-house — the White House, that is. That was merely a warm-up.

The smash-and-grab style of governing has since run rampant: rules, regulations, taxes, and mandates; the proliferation of unelected czars; the orders and commands; the abuse of power; the diktats-all stuffed down our throats.

There is so much more to add…read this for the whole picture.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/03/big_brother_becomes_big_bully.html

ravenscalm
As soon as she got up in public, she became a public person. If she were at home, discussing her views, no one would be talking about her. She would be a private citizen. She’s an activist. She willingly allowed herself to be used by the left to further their agenda. She CHOSE to be a public spectacle!

Nancy in Nebraska, BINGO…and precise.

They don’t call it the swamp for nothing Bev! Let’s see Ronnie Raygun and Nancy (The Wicked Witch of the West) Pelosi both said something about draining it, and it still exists!!! Although I must say, that since Barney retired, the water level has receded a bit!

According to the people who tried to vet Palin, and worked to prepare her for the campaign, the movie was wickedly accurate. They were there, and they should know.
Palin was repeated asked to contribute and consult on the film, but steadfastly refused.
Perhaps more facts and less conjecture would elevate the arguement above mudslinging.

Bev…the only one stating the movie was “inaccurate’ is Palin. McCain has some issues with how he was portrayed, but notice he didn’t state anything about how Palin was portrayed.

Everyone else involved is saying it is close to full accuracy.

I will give her credit for one item…she is making millions soaking the TP crowd for all the publicity she can.

I knew I smelled something in the air Farty back and he such a over educated lefty we should all sit up and take notice. He Farty here a little something for your liberal disease brain any drugs coming from the pharmaceutical companies are poison so I am all for the all liberals and progressives get free drugs from the Govt. please take them by the handful you SF! And Fluke is nothing but a liberal plant just like the woman who had sex with Cain.

Lauren, that is what they do best. “Do as I say, not as I do,”

I have not heard a word about this on NPR for several days but this site has had two articles in the last two days.

Yes, the left needs to get over it. MSLSD and the liberal left continue to harp on this new manufactured diatribe: “War on Women”. It is even a banner next to the station logos! Only the mentally incompetent would believe this obvious manipulation. Do the democrats REALLY believe women are that stupid?

Sarvis says, “I have not heard a word about this on NPR for several days but this site has had two articles in the last two days.”

NPR? Is the implication that NPR is leftist? If, so, I agree with you.

Tom, I don’t think the Conservatives condone Rush’s statements. I’ve seen a number of disussions where the Right has found fault with Rush, but the focus has been on the hypocrisy of the left in not condemning Maher, Schultz and others for remarks much more inflammatory than Rush’s.

Rush at least apologized, something you’ll never hear from that misogynist Maher.

Vigilant, agreed. Most rational people certainly don’t condone Limbaugh’s comment, although the MSM with the incessant prodding of Media Matters would have us think otherwise. Then, of course, Obama has to weigh in with his 2 cents worth as any good community organizer would do, inflaming the liberal coyotes to further divide the country.

Never let a crisis go to waste…straight out of Alinsky 101!

I think that you are underestimating the American public and Rush’s advertisers. He has now gained sponsors. Unlike purely political polls, advertisers pay attention to what the public likes. I believe right now, a lot of John Q Public agree with the comments made by Rush.

When the new ratings for radio come out, see if thaudiencece for Rush has risen or fallen.

wrong again .now go back down to the basement and take your nap.

Doc,
I’m certainly not sticking up for Rush, but what about the advertisers for the MSM Propaganda shows where they teach people to advocate helping themselves to other peoples’ money using Government as their surrogate thieves? It seems to me that Theft is a lot more morally repugnant than name-calling.

Doc…Rush is on the ropes. His advertisers have fled and those that remain are the weakest and least funded of the group. His ratings have plummeted and i doubt he’ll have the ‘weight’ he once did. Though his specially constructed chair will still have the reinforced bars holding it up to prevent it from collapsing .

Rush attacked a private person in the most vicious manner, for wanting to testify before Congress. That was her “crime’ in his eyes. She wasn’t a public persona who was spewing garbage and wanting controversy and publicity ratings.

He went after not only her, but all women. Whether for or against the legislation. it is a full blown attack by neanderthals against women and their standing as equals. For a party who espouses less government and less intrusion into our lives, it is the height of hypocrasy to say it is the government’s role to dictate medical procedures, doctors roles and advice, strict religious tenets and invade personal decisions which are some of the most personal, moral, and private anyone can imagine.

They want to allow Viagra to be covered so men can ‘get it up” and have sex. yet deny contraceptives to women. They want to dictate doctors speech and insist on unecessary and perhaps dangerous procedures, drive up the cost and add to the rise of health care, and also have employers…for whatever reason, decide what is ‘moral’ in health care coverage and deny insurance coverage.

yet…government is too intrusive … or so they say. HA!

Flashy says: Doc…Rush is on the ropes. His advertisers have fled and those that remain are the weakest and least funded of the group. His ratings have plummeted and i doubt he’ll have the ‘weight’ he once did. Though his specially constructed chair will still have the reinforced bars holding it up to prevent it from collapsing .

I disagree Flashy, Rush isn’t going anywhere. Especially not after this controversy, which has guaranteed insane profits for his radio show. Personally, I think both, the left/right have been hood-winked! I’m sure you’ve heard it said; “There’s no such thing as bad publicity, all publicity, good and bad, is good advertising”! Cheers!

What don’t kill you only makes you stronger.

We’ll see want we?

There is sponsorship that can use Rush regardless how damaged he is.

The NRA, Viagra, Reverse Mortgage, “The Get Around”

Remington, Winchester, Jimmy Houston, John Deere , Perpetration H , Oxy Cotton,

AARP, Pearl vision, Life Insurance, Pay now , Die later burial policies, just to name a few.

Flashy’s ignorance is downright amusing sometimes. He says, “They want to dictate doctors speech and insist on unecessary and perhaps dangerous procedures, drive up the cost and add to the rise of health care…”

“Drive up the cost?” Perhaps you’d like to go to http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/14/cbo-health-law-estimate-shows-much-higher-spending-beyond-first-10-years/

“The Congressional Budget Office has extended its cost estimates for President Obama’s health care law out to 2022, taking in more years of full implementation, and showing that the bill is substantially more expensive — twice as much as the original $900 billion price tag.

In a largely overlooked segment of the CBO’s update to the budget outlook released Tuesday, the independent arm of Congress found that the bill will cost $1.76 trillion between now and 2022.

That only counts the cost of coverage, not implementation costs and other changes.

“The bill spends more than the president promised, it covers fewer people — probably 2 million fewer people — and it taxes more than was expected,” said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee.”

BTW Karolyn, Sarvis and others: see how much NPR and the MSM have to say about this.

Vig…care to show the CBOs estimates without the Health Care Reform?

The main flaw in the Health Care Reform is it doesn’t include a Public Option. Such will be remedied …. i hope soon.

Chew on this for a moment
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MONDAY, March 12 (HealthDay News) — If current trends continue, health insurance premiums will surpass the median U.S. household income in 2033, a new study says.

Using data from the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey and the U.S. Census Bureau, researchers calculated the premiums paid by Americans from 2000 to 2009 and compared them to incomes. They found that insurance premiums rose 8 percent from 2000 to 2009, while household incomes rose only about 2 percent.

If those same rates continue during the next two decades, the average cost of a family health-insurance premium will hit half of median household income by 2021 and surpass it by 2033, the study found.

The median household income was $49,800 in 2009.

The study is published in the March/April issue of the Annals of Family Medicine.”
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The study further states that “In the coming years, the reforms that will come as a result of the 2010 Affordable Care Act will help to reign in the cost trajectory…”

Now..what was that you were saying about adding to health care costs and reform not being needed?

“Vig…care to show the CBOs estimates without the Health Care Reform?”

Flushy….to quote you “look it up for yourself”. Especially since you provided nothing to back your claim about Rush.

” Doc…Rush is on the ropes. His advertisers have fled and those that remain are the weakest and least funded of the group. His ratings have plummeted and i doubt he’ll have the ‘weight’ he once did.”

Opal..I have looked it up. Which is why i asked Vig if he did. if he did, then what he posted was deliberately misleading. if he didn’t, then he should so he knows the erroneous information.

I also copied and pasted the study recently concluded about the health care costs skyrocketing and the effects of the recent health care reform showing it is slowing down the costs of health care and there is more required to rein it in.

As for my statement about Rush ? you don’t agree…fine. Post any stat you’d care to as far as showing how his attacks on women and his scurrying around like a rat amongst garbage haven’t hit him in ratings, sponsorships or influence.

Rush plays to the TP trilogy of hate, fear and ignorance. hopefully even the ignorant will realize the disease he spreads and how it harms America.

Doc, the latest from Rush…
ABC News
Mar 7, 2012

Limbaugh told his listeners today that “everything’s cool,” noting that many of the advertisers that have yanked their support are local and thus have little if any impact on the show’s revenues.

“Nobody is losing money here, including us, in all this,” Limbaugh said on his radio show Wednesday. “[The advertisers] are not canceling the business on our stations. They’re just saying they don’t want their spots to appear in my show. We don’t get any revenue from ‘em anyway. The whole effort is to dispirit you.”

“ABC News, who understands how this works and are purposely misrepresenting it, is out there ballyhooing that we have lost 28 sponsors,” Limbaugh said. “Twenty-eight sponsors out of 18,000! That’s like losing a couple of french fries in the container when it’s delivered to you at the drive-thru. You don’t even notice it.”

While he would not name companies, Limbaugh said three new sponsors have signed onto his show in the past two weeks.

“None of what’s happening is out of the ordinary,” Limbaugh said. “It’s just part of an onslaught to try to convince you that this show’s history and our days are numbered. And I’m happy to tell you nothing could be further from the truth

Rush Limbaugh deserves everything he is getting. He was wrong and he should man up, sincerely apologize, and stop trying to pass the blame off to someone else. His comments were ignorant, misogynist, and highly offensive. And a majority of the American public condemn his behavior and comments.

Despite what many of the crazies on the right are propagandizing about, Ms. Fluke was testifying on behalf of a policy for private insurance coverage and not public. Women do pay for their contraception through their premiums and co-pays. To suggest that she was advocating for “welfare” to cover her birth control is irresponsibly uninformed.

flashy has apparently missed the latest studies on obamacare… or chose the one he liked best to further his misguided cause.

“As for my statement about Rush ? you don’t agree…fine. Post any stat you’d care to as far as showing how his attacks on women and his scurrying around like a rat amongst garbage haven’t hit him in ratings, sponsorships or influence.”

You made the claim Flushy so it is up to you to back it up with links and/or sources.

And just for the record I never listen to Rush and only take notice of him when he makes the news or someone like you decides to criticize him.

Liberty…the one I posted is the latest. I would think the source would be reliable, even for you.

Now…think this through if you can.

1. leaving it to the private sector has driven costs up faster than any segment of our economy.
2. The cost of insurance is killing small business and taking consumer monies out of circulation
3. Our economy depends upon people spending money
4. There is no solution from the Right other than leave it to the private sector which has failed.
5. We are the only modernized nation to deny health care to our citizens
6. E-Room care, the only option if not having insurance, costs up to 5x’s the cost of preventative or early health care.

Your solution is?

Flashman says — “leaving it to the private sector has driven costs up faster than any segment of our economy”.
More of the usual unsupported conjecture and equivocation from Flashman.
The Government has been regulating medical care since the cows left.
And now with Government 70% larger than it was in the 1950s, Flashman has the gall to try and convince us that the higher costs are due to the private sector.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa527.pdf

Flashman, the regular readers know you have no credibility.

Flashman says “The cost of insurance is killing small business and taking consumer monies out of circulation”.
They’re taking consumer money out of circulation? What a crock. This Flashman person just makes up his lies on the fly.
If you don’t like the cost of insurance, there’s a simple solution — DON’T buy it! Self-insure — the old fashioned way.
What Flashman wants to sell you is Government Insurance, where the costs are higher, but people don’t see them and they come from people other than those receiving the benefits (slavery), and eventually the Socialists like Flashman run out of other peoples’ money so we become a pitiful third-world nation. Oh, but the Leaders will still be on top.

Flashman says — “Our economy depends upon people spending money”.
What our economy depends on is Productive Capital Investment which enables companies to produce goods and services cheaply and efficiently, giving the consumers goodies which they could never hope for in a Socialist Society like Flashman and crew are driving us towards. But Big Government sucks that money down it’s black hole at an ever-increasing rate, so instead of it going into Capital Equipment and other productive investments it is wasted by Big Government Politicians who use it to line their own pockets, the pockets of their Crony Capitalists, and to buy votes.
http://mises.org/daily/1142

Flashman says “There is no solution from the Right other than leave it to the private sector which has failed”.
The private sector has failed? That’s news to me (and to anybody else with half-a-brain).
All we need do is look at the many Government failures — Post Office, Social Security, Medicare, Amtrak, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, etc. In fact, just about the only thing Government can do better than the private sector is to destroy stuff with their wars.
It’s pathetic that the Progressives can infiltrate our society, increasingly hobble our economy with massive regulation, rob the productive people blind, and then after the economy necessarily plummets they try to convince the many Ignorant people that it was the fault of the private sector.

Flashman says — “We are the only modernized nation to deny health care to our citizens”.
That’s the biggest lie so far. Nobody is denying anybody anything. The medical profession just can’t afford to provide it cheaply because the Government Monkey is riding their backs preventing them from doing things more efficiently with excessive regulations, ridiculous medical malpractice lawsuits, and just plain impoverishing the patients by spending 42% of our GDP which doesn’t leave much for the rest of our wants and needs.

The bottom line is that the Leaders are robbing us blind, so that they and their politically connected Cronies can live high at our expense.
No doubt Flashman feeds at that trough. He works too hard to spread his misinformation to not be benefiting at our expense.

Dave…prior to the recent Health Care Reform Act, pray tell what has government done to drive up the costs versus what the private sector would have done.

Your second contention, those that cannot afford health insurance should be left to fend for themselves…is the current situation. And costs us millions and billions more because we have to subsidize it with the visits to the E-Room when they have no other choice. No preventative care, no prenatal care, no checkups…all add to the costs we have to bear for not providing health care to our Nation. You want to drain our nation’s resources? Feel free to espouse such short sighted lunacy. I’m of the mindset we should increase our talent pool, increase our assets, and begin fighting for our nation as we deal with modern 21st Century nation-States and global competition.

Your third contention, that people spending $300-500 dollars a month for health insurance, and small businesses being hit with about the same costs…isn’t taking money out of the economic circulation and depressing the economy…is humorous if it wasn’t based on idiocy. If people had that money to spend on consumer items…any sane mind would think it would give a spurt to consumer spending and increase economic activity across the board. And last i heard, buying and selling is what drives our economy.

you state ‘What our economy depends on is Productive Capital Investment which enables companies to produce goods and services cheaply and efficiently”. OK..and if, as we experience every recession…people don’t buy those goods? which is where you fall flat. Job Creators are not those who have the wealth, the true job creators are the small businesses and people who buy the goods and make the demand. One can make a million widgets…but if there are no buyers out there who will buy the million widgets…inventory and storehouses will soon be filled, economic production slows, jobs lost, and the downward spiral into BK begins.

your fourth contention that government fails and the list you cite..Post Office, Social Security, Medicare, Amtrak, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, etc… are all areas which are unprofitable for private investment and management, but are needed AND required for a society to enjoy being a unified society. Take the Post Office. there are thousands of small towns facing the closing of their post offices. thousands. And which are not served by private companies such as FedEx and UPS. Are you stating they will be better off without a Postal Service? AMTRAK…you suggest we do without passenger rail service? Fact is, your list are those services which government SHOULD provide to the citizenry in order to be a modern, 21st century nation-state. You cannot point to any successful, unified, cohesive society which does not provide those services to their citizenry. Not one.

BTW..FNMA and Freddie were private industries before they collapsed in 2008-09.

now…go away and spew your dribble to those that somehow fall for your fictions…

Flashy, try to educate yourself…

1- Fannie Mae has always been a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) founded in 1938 during the Great Depression as part of the New Deal.

2- The Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (FHLMC), known as Freddie Mac (OTCBB: FMCC), is a public government sponsored enterprise (GSE).

3- The federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac refers to the placing into conservatorship of government sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the U.S. Treasury in September 2008.

Before you respond with some assiine arguement…A government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) is a financial services corporation created by the United States Congress.

JeffH…yes, they were created by act of Congress, but were publicly traded and privately owned.

In 2008 they were put in a conservatorship that allows their stock to keep trading but puts common shareholders last in any claims. The Treasury holds “senior preferreds stock” that ranks above both existing preferred and common shares and will carry warrants that gives the government an ownership stake of 80 percent.

Note three items…one is that the private ownership portion is mainly commericial banks. The other is the “takeover’ occurred under Bush IIs regime. Third is last year President Obama called for a winding down of both FNMA and Freddie Mac … those reforms have been stalled in the House. Which is … controlled by the GOP.

Flashy, what part of GSE don’t you understand?

Because it is “sponsored(GSE)” but not owned by the government, GSE stocks carry higher risk than, say, Treasury securities, which are backed by the full faith and credit of the United States. However, GSEs have an implicit guarantee that the government will not allow them to fail. Indeed, when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed in 2008 they almost instantly received federal assistance.

They can call it whatever they want…political smoke & mirrors is all it is…the Taxpayer has always been on the hook for both Freddie & Fannie because the government created and guaranteed they will not fail and we all know how the government gets their money.

Flashman says — “Dave…prior to the recent Health Care Reform Act, pray tell what has government done to drive up the costs versus what the private sector would have done”.
Duh, Flashman, it’s in the article I posted. Do some reading.

Flashman says — “Your second contention, those that cannot afford health insurance should be left to fend for themselves…is the current situation. And costs us millions and billions more because we have to subsidize it with the visits to the E-Room when they have no other choice. No preventative care, no prenatal care, no checkups…all add to the costs we have to bear for not providing health care to our Nation. You want to drain our nation’s resources? Feel free to espouse such short sighted lunacy. I’m of the mindset we should increase our talent pool, increase our assets, and begin fighting for our nation as we deal with modern 21st Century nation-States and global competition”.
As usual, a load of Bull Dung from Flashman. Why do they go to the E-Room? Because Government has mandated that Hospitals foot the bill (with other peoples’ money of course). No preventive care, no prenatal care, no checkups? That’s how it goes, Flashman, when people don’t take care of themselves. So Flashman’s answer is to burden those who do make the effort to take care of themselves with the care of those who are too lazy to take care of themselves. I’ve been ill since 26, but I have never tried to burden others with my problems. And Flashman has the nerve to talk about draining the nation’s resources when it is he and his Socialist comrades who are doing the draining.
I won’t call you a lunatic, Flashman (as you called me), because your problem isn’t lunacy, it’s a lack of all moral character. You have proven that repeatedly in your past comments.
You lie, you advocate theft, you plagiarize other peoples’ work (even when they don’t know what they’re talking about), and you advocate violence towards those who disagree with you. So, I WILL call you a Sociopath, Flashman, because that’s what I believe you are.

Flashman says — “Your third contention, that people spending $300-500 dollars a month for health insurance, and small businesses being hit with about the same costs…isn’t taking money out of the economic circulation and depressing the economy…is humorous if it wasn’t based on idiocy. If people had that money to spend on consumer items…any sane mind would think it would give a spurt to consumer spending and increase economic activity across the board. And last i heard, buying and selling is what drives our economy”.
As usual Flashman must resort to name-calling to make his point (because of course that’s all he has), so I will treat him equally disrespectful, except that in his case he deserves lack of respect. I don’t.
Flashdunce, what happened to the money that was ‘taken out of circulation’? Did it just disappear? Of course not, dunce — the insurance agents are spending it.
Now let’s analyze the situation. This will mean nothing to Flashdunce, because he knows better. He is just trying to mislead those poor ignorant souls who don’t know better.
What happens with private insurance? It is Voluntary, something Flashdunce and his evil minions won’t be offering once they take control.
I don’t have any. Never have. I take care of myself and if I suffer misfortune, I am quite content to take the hit. I certainly won’t be whining and berating others for not helping me because, unlike Flashdunce, I don’t ride on other peoples’ unwilling shoulders.
Once Flashdunce and his fellow evil Progressives take control, you can throw Voluntary out the window. If they don’t please you — TOO BAD. You can’t just change plans or stop buying their insurance because you won’t have a choice.
Does anybody in their right mind think that the new managers of our insurance will have anything to lose if they don’t please you? Unlike private insurance companies, the Government-run insurance companies won’t lose money when people quit putting up with their nonsense. They will just keep on trucking and helping themselves to good citizens’ money.
You would have to be a mental midget or just plain evil — like Flashdunce — to think that Government will run anything more efficiently than private business, because They Don’t Have To.
Flashman and his fellow Sociopaths could care less if you suffer eventually as the economy goes further into the tank. And it will. It’s very unlikely that we can turn things around at this point, so the odds are very good that you will witness the collapse of our country. Good Luck. I have a broad background in all aspects of education, so me and my kind will survive one way or the other. But the very poor, who Flashman feigns concern for, are going to suffer the most.

Here is proof of the Damage that Big Government does to economies. Flashman doesn’t want you thinking about that because he is most likely feeding at the trough and would have to do some legitimate work if enough people wake up and face reality. Look at the countries at the bottom of the list, those with the Biggest Governments. There’s a good chance you’ll be living in one of them before long, And you won’t even have to move:
http://heritage.org/index/ranking

More Flashdunce Ignorance — “OK..and if, as we experience every recession…people don’t buy those goods? which is where you fall flat. Job Creators are not those who have the wealth, the true job creators are the small businesses and people who buy the goods and make the demand. One can make a million widgets…but if there are no buyers out there who will buy the million widgets…inventory and storehouses will soon be filled, economic production slows, jobs lost, and the downward spiral into BK begins”.
Recessions are caused by people not buying goods? That is the dumbest thing I’ve heard yet. If so, then all we need to do is spend MORE money that we DON’T have and all will be okay — NOT!
Recessions are the result of financial mal-investment encouraged by easy money (credit) from the Federal Reserve and their member banks. Do this test to get a clue — Give money to a child, and allow them to spend it on whatever they want. Another time do the same thing, except make the child work for the money, and you’ll see that they are much more careful with their money if they have to work for it. Businesses are the same way. They are just human. So when the Federal Reserve increases the money supply and excess money hits the economy, the businessmen invest recklessly in goals that really aren’t sustainable and then eventually fall on their faces. At about that same time, due to decreased productivity (from the mal-investment) and resulting higher-priced products, the Federal Reserve must put the brakes on the money supply or risk run-away inflation. That causes the economy to collapse.
Since the Federal Reserve has been created (1913) the value of our dollars have decreased dramatically (to 1/20th of their 1913 value). In fact, if we had sound money, and due to the increases in productivity over the last 100 years, the value of the dollar should have Increased NOT Decreased. We would be able to buy more with our money, NOT LESS. And of course we can’t forget the dramatic amount of money that Government people are draining from our economy (42% of our GDP).
Don’t let evil people like Flashman take advantage of you. Study Economics (preferably from real Economists like those at Mises Institute) and learn what’s really going on.

I am constantly surprised of the readers and I guess what is now called “conservatives”.
It’s obvious that you didn’t hear, or read Ms. Fluke’s testimony. Had you, you would have realized that she was speaking on behalf of women, (which the republican’s wouldn’t allow a woman on the panel, which is a laugh), and that medication in “the pill” also treats ovarian cysts and other “woman” issues. I guess you’re a slut or any other male who takes viagra. WHICH is covered in your medical plan. I understand now, why all the studies that are done at university’s show that conservatives are less erudite, lack high education and more are less lemmings. You can’t debate without getting angry and most of your pundits, like Rush, well to be fair, he does have a GED, because he dropped out of High School, are less educated and therefore hate change and progress. The left isn’t always correct and neither is the right. Thank god independents are becoming the largest segment of the voting public. And if the media were 100%, you wouldn’t have News Corp. Talk about “the left”. The left/Bush were the ones that came up with the “patriot act”. Read it. It take more of your constitutional rights away than any other law.
Please, just learn to read and research before you comment. All of this, is so said.

Rob says — “I understand now, why all the studies that are done at university’s show that conservatives are less erudite, lack high education and more are less lemmings. You can’t debate without getting angry and most of your pundits, like Rush, well to be fair, he does have a GED, because he dropped out of High School, are less educated and therefore hate change and progress”.
Notice how Rob’s statement is filled with name-calling, condescension, and other adolescent Liberal manipulative techniques. Apparently, Rob, your book-learning has failed you. Otherwise you could surely make your point absent all the manipulation, couldn’t you?
And if you are “erudite”, Rob, you would know that Rush Limbaugh is a Neo-Conservative, not a Conservative. He’s really not much different than left-wingers who will cling to whatever beliefs their favorite Party tells them to cling to, no matter how inconsistent they are.

Rob,
Would you provide link(s) to these studies, “why all the studies that are done at university’s show that conservatives are less erudite, lack high education and more are less lemmings”
Thanks

Rich….which of the many studies would you want to read?

Like Flashman can post any references to support that conjecture.
We need only look at the inane comments presented by the Liberals on this board to know that, whatever education they have had, it has failed them.

Tom W. says — “The reason we became the most powerful and wealthiest nation this world has ever seen is because we were totally self-sufficient. There was nothing that we needed that wasn’t made right here in the Land of the Brave and the Home of the Free!!!”.
No, Tom, the reason we became the most powerful (not that that’s something to aspire to) and wealthiest nation in this world was because we were the Freest country in the world at one time. International Free trade (real Free Trade, not Nafta or the others) benefits everybody except the Political Entrepreneurs who can achieve Prosperity more easily by buying their favorite Politicians than by competing in Free Markets against the Market Entrepreneurs. But even those Capitalists (Crony Capitalists) who have chosen to succeed the Political way, can get nowhere without their Crony Politicians who use their powers of Force to protect them from Competition. And those of you who cry out for trade isolation only encourage that condition by enabling Government to grow larger (it takes Big Government to enforce all those rules). As Government Grows, Corruption Flows.

So if you’re really concerned about the “1%”, Tom, you need to do some studying and learn what the real problems are, and who the “1%” really are:
http://mises.org/daily/5776/The-State-is-the-1-Percent

TOCB,

Don’t be misled. The liberal left propaganda machine will distort or make-up anything they want in order to keep their minions brainwashed sufficiently to do whatever they want them to do or think. Republicans certainly aren’t perfect, and do say things from time to time they shouldn’t, but even if they didn’t that wouldn’t stop the left from creating any story they want to promote their immoral agendas.

The huge Soros NWO funded democratic machine is losing in the realm of “ideas, ideals and ideology”, the true democratic socialist agenda is being exposed, the hoax of Obama, Obama Care the socialist and communist nature of the democratic party and America is REJECTING them. America is not communist, nor socialist, its not what made America great, socialism is what is killing the economy and nomatter how much propaganda the left spews a couple guys on the radio telling the truth has more impact than all the lies and twisted truth the government controlled media can produce.

Democrats full backing of NWO — UN sponsored Eugenics and Post Industrial destruction of America

•Agenda 21 exposed as a land grab by international bankers sponsored by the UN to take all resources and means of production for them.

•Vaccines exposed, cancer up 3000%, causing autisum, containing live cancer, polio, and other murdering sterilization toxins and contagion.

•Floride and other chemical put in the drinking water by government causing sterility dumbing down the population, cancer, tumors death.

•Closing of power plants, your electric bill will go up 1000%

The Fluke/Rush issue is the latest example of NWO/Soros/Democrats wanting you the public to pay for EUGENICS – as per Agenda 21

Think about this:

Leon Penentta visited our troops the other day to make a speech, he had them disarmed in a war zone. Yes thats right, Leon had 200 US Marines disarmed or they could not enter the tent where Leon was making his speech.

What does that tell us about Obamas UN loving little rat?

Leon knows he is a traitor.
Leon knows the troops know he is a traitor
Leon knows he is a traitor the troops know he is a traitor and he knows they know.

Traitor Leon is scared, as well all these NWO sellout Democratic Party traitors should be.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Freedom Fighter…to add to your comment,

The latest from the CBO is that The Affordable Health Care Act latest cost figures have been adjusted from $904 billion/10years to $1.76 TRILLION over 10 years and also the increased insurance premiums are a direct result of the AHCA. Also, under the Obama Administration, new regulations have added $46 billion in costs to businesses. This is four times the pace of the regulations under the previous administration’s first three years.

If you research Leon Panetta, you will find direct Communist ties not just to ones in this country, but to ones in the old Soviet Union and other Communist stonglholds.

Enjoyed reading your blog. Many Americans recognize the term liberalism has morphed into verbal malarkey, sleazeball gimmicks and pretentious rhetoric designed to hoodwink the public. Is it not self-evident that partisan, mumbo-jumbo tainted with empty platitudes cannot save Obama?

He doed resemble a rat doesn’t he FF?!! Alph’s cousin Leon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKY2O4KFmMU&feature=related

Drink up Hermy.

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

So he makes money. Good for him.

What’s the matter Ralphy is your welfare check late? Better get use to Ralphy once the US dollar stops being the world currency your slave masters won’t be able to dole out anymore pig feed for you all pigs. And I don’t suggest you come sniffing around us Tea Party conservative types because we will not share with lazy ass pigs like you!

Oh such pronounce bravery Ralph Herman (Goering) in such bold statements of intellect.

I see FF is still of his meds. Doug, liberal policies built the middleclass worl you live in. We got the 40 hr week & paid vacations, environmental protections that protect your kids, started social security & medicare that your mentor Ayn Rand accepted & the tea baggers wanted the govt to keep their hands off. The VA medical where Freedomfighter gets his meds & tinfoil hats. The right to vote for you wife. What have your party done besides support the corporate masters that feed you the pablum that diverts your attention while they plunder the country & destroy the middle class. Ron Paul is smiling all the way to the bank…

Gee Ralphy , what does that make Bill Maher , Pelosi , Waters etal ? Rush told it like it is and if the Left and Barry O can’t handle the truth then they should just pack it up . Mz Fluke is not what the media paints her to be . She is a 30 yr old woman claiming that it cost $3,000 a year for birth control . A months supply costs $9.00 at the counter so you do the math , that’s $108 a year , where is the extra $2,892 going ? Even if she is paying for her deadbeat boyfriends condoms it might only increase it to twice her claim . Maybe she is a madam and paying for a string of ladies ?

At any rate , she’s supposed to be going to school earning a degree , not getting laid ! And now that she has had her moment in the sun , she’ll have her $22,000 a year job sharpening pencils down in Pelosi’s headquarters basement and fond memories of her phone call from Barry O and 15 mins of fame .

Wyatt…what is your wife taking? Sugar? i just went and checked in the med cabinet. Cost of the ones in our cabinet is $42.00 for one month. Add the quarterly exams in of around $250 or so…I can see the figure being somewhat inflated depending upon where you live and the doctor etc..but not much.

And what about the other uses for contraceptive pills? You just leaving that out of the equation?

Would you be in favor of knocking out Viagra from coverage?

He can not be all those things. He is not a democrate.

Ralph Still arguing with idiots I see.

Go get ‘um Tony! Although you might as well be hollering from the bottom of a well to get them to listen.

You would not know truth if you had to eat it and sleep on it! You are too deeply defiled.

Dug, tony, flash:Something you commies supporting obummer need to see

Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Socialists at Occupy Wall Street

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVe95s6gH1s&feature=related

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Ok, freedomfighter. You cant handle my arguments, so you go off on a tangent. You call liberals commies, well they called my Dad a commie in the 1920′s cuz he supported the 40 hour week & all the benefits that unions eventually got us. Liberal policies created the middle class & you dont support those concepts, so that must mean you support the 1% & then if we are going to call each other names(which is what people do when they lose an argument), then that must make you a fascist. I’ll stick with the 99% if you dont mind. The 1% are America haters, they close plants, they fight safety rules which protect Americans & environmental rules that protects our kids. How come you hate America?

To bad the liberal of yesteryear no longer exists, it is well known that the Liberal = Progressive = socialist/communist

As our Russian friend said “Socialism is the problem” thus the groups that describes itself as Liberal Progressive “is the problem”

Laus Deo
Semper Fi

Tony,

You’re wrong. The Republican Party passed the 19th amendment to the Constitution over Democratic Party opposition in 1919 which gave women the right to vote. The EPA was enacted under the Nixon administration. You asked what the Republican Party has done to help the American people. They’ve done a lot over the years. In fact, they have a history of helping minorities more than Democrats. Read through the list of accomplishments at this site (http://www.gop.com/index.php/issues/accomplishment/). It may open your eyes a bit to reality. Certainly, our politicians have run amuck expanding these programs way beyond their initial charters which is something many of us regret today. Nevertheless, it is inaccurate to say Republicans have done nothing over the years to help people in this country.

That’s immaterial since it’s the Republicans who want to abolish the EPA and quite often attack women’s rights.

SIC ‘EM FF!!! Sounds like Tony is kinda thirsty. Hey Kool-Aid!!!

I thought there is a rule that forbids “name calling” in this column. Obviously it does not apply to certain writers. Just for curiosity I went to Webster to look up the “definition” of the word “slut”. It says it describes a woman that is dirty, untidy. Semantically it does not exhibit any denigrating expression. I also heard this word being used on movies by women calling other women they object to, mostly for bad conduct, especially in reference to their constant behaviors in sexual relationships. And these name callings are not even rejected by the opposite side.
Maybe this word has entered into American slang and has assumed a different meaning?
Also, what sounds better? Prostitute, whore or slut?
The fact is if that young female law student claims she can no longer afford contraceptives because she needs to have sex constantly (?) though she still can pay some $45,000 in annual tuition expenses, she either should change her utterly abnormal sexual appetite or she should change her career altogether. I don’t think her sexual prowess could be used in her future legal career.
For the life of me, I can’t imagine how her parents would feel when their daughter broke out her real life story in public. She doesn’t seem to feel any shame to reveal her personal “secrets”. Oh, that is right, this is her open and public declaration of personal “FREEDOM”!
What poses even greater question mark is since when a Jesuit institution, represented by the president of the university, came out to defend such unsustainable claim to public “subsidy” and still can be the flag bearer of the highest moral standards in the Catholic Church? This student’s conduct in their institution is clearly in constant violation of the Sixth Commandment and they have not yet expelled her? What hypocrisy! Being an alumnus of another Jesuit university, I feel ashamed of being associated with it as of now.

The radio/ TV mouth pieces commie or neocon just want to keep confusing Americans that they still have a choice and even have a voice in govt. Our Congress has been taken over completely by old man bush/clinton, but they still act liberal,clinton/ obamie, or half conservative bushes/ reagan. Liberalism is now Communism/ facism, Conservative is now neo-con, socialism/ facism, but they won,t admitt it. Whatever party is in control of either house they will vote to bankrupt us, destroy our military, free trade of industries away, spend like drunken sailors [sorry navy], give israel everything, pass agenda 21 land rights away, leave our borders open, let the patriot act protect our jock straps,Start or allow undeclared wars, Act like Rome before they FELL, Totally disregard the Constitution. WE don,t have 2 parties anymore, just the UN running America.

Eddie,

Republicans do not want to live with dirty air and water, nor the excesses of the EPA and other governmental agencies. While the EPA may have accelerated the cleaning up of air and water it has also spent billions of dollars of taxpayer money and has shut down many businesses that would otherwise have been able to function. We need to constrain the EPA and most other government agencies to keep them from getting out of control. That’s what Republicans want.

With regard to women’s rights, we want women to have equal rights. We do not support “rights” that conflict with common sense or our basic morality. For instance, liberals think it’s perfectly OK for women to abort unborn children at any time, even though these children could survive if removed from the womb after 20 weeks. I don’t see much difference in killing unborn babies after 20 weeks and killing children after they are born, using the same reasoning. To me, it’s just killing, and my morality tells me that’s wrong. If you want to call abortion a woman’s “right”, I just can’t agree. It’s no wonder to me that some young mothers think it’s OK to kill their children when the children become an inconvenience. Our laws must not conflict with basic human morality if we want to further and improve our civilized society. Liberals seem to think we can pass any law we want so long as we can force people to comply with it. That’s just wrong and is part of the unraveling of our civilized society.