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Rush To Judgment

March 14, 2012 by  

Rush To Judgment

Barack Obama must love Rush Limbaugh. The Conservative talk show host that some have called the conscience of the Republican Party went off on a tangent while ignoring Obama’s Machiavellian power grab.

Rather than leading a thoughtful discussion of Obamacare and the true aims of the President to make Big Government even bigger, Limbaugh instead made obscene and bizarre comments about a female college student.

Unless you live in a cave, I am sure you have heard the story: Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown University law student, addressed a Democratic panel last month in support of contraception access paid for by the Federal government.

The left argues that poor Fluke was talking only about oral contraceptives for health reasons and not for the government to pick up the tab for her to have worry-free sex. That is a stretch. The number of women who take the pill for any reason other than to not get pregnant is small.

The liberals need to be reminded of what Senator Dale Bumpers argued 13 years ago at President Bill Clinton’s impeachment trial: “When someone says it’s not about the sex, it’s about the sex.” That was Bumpers’ variation on a quote attributed to H.L. Mencken: “When someone says it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.”

On this, Rush is right; and I am not giving Fluke a pass on her testimony being about anything other than sex.

But unlike Rush, I am not going to call Fluke a “prostitute” or a “slut.” Most people in her age group are enjoying a healthy sex life, and a great many of them don’t want to get pregnant. (As far as I know the only person that is going to have a problem with me saying this is the pope, and I doubt he is reading.)

I do expect a great many of Personal Liberty Digest™ readers like Limbaugh and listen to his program. So I ask this: Are you really trying to say that Limbaugh has had sex only with his wives within the sanctity of his marriages – all four of them?

I defend Limbaugh’s right to say what he wants. Like him, my career exists because of our 1st Amendment right to free speech.

But I cannot defend this statement from Limbaugh: “If we are going to pay for your contraceptives and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you to post the videos online so we can all watch.”

First, he should speak for himself. I don’t want to watch anybody have sex; I expect neither do most Americans.

Second, why would he say such a thing? It is an outlandish statement.

Finally, is he saying pornography is OK, but birth control is not?

I don’t need a liberal to tell me the “yuck factor” in what Limbaugh said.

I don’t think Limbaugh thinks about much besides getting more listeners and getting paid more money. And Limbaugh either cannot make sound arguments against the left because he is not a deep-enough thinker or he does not mind another term for Obama, so he is distracting the Nation from the real issues.

I think Obama is the engineer controlling a runaway train. Meanwhile, Limbaugh is worried about what a couple of passengers are doing in the sleeper car.

America Needs Right-Minded Thinkers

Just three decades, ago we lived in the gilded age for conservatives and the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan spoke of a shining city on the hill and he had the moral fiber to convince Americans that the Nation could renew itself. While Reagan may have been the heart of the conservative movement, William F. Buckley Jr. was its brains.

I graduated from college in 1980. At age 21, I was a borderline liberal. My parents were libertarians, and they urged me to get an education. They suggested I read Buckley. I found Buckley offered overpowering conservative arguments as to why right-minded people should embrace libertarianism. I came to reject the left whose brain-trust were people like Senator Edward Kennedy and Speaker of the House Tip O’Neill.

This is what The New York Times wrote in its Buckley obituary:

… marshaled polysyllabic exuberance, famously arched eyebrows and a refined, perspicacious mind to elevate conservatism to the center of American political discourse…

Mr. Buckley’s greatest achievement was making conservatism — not just electoral Republicanism but conservatism as a system of ideas — respectable in liberal post-World War II America. He mobilized the young enthusiasts who helped nominate Barry Goldwater in 1964 and saw his dreams fulfilled when Reagan and the Bushes captured the Oval Office. …

To Mr. Buckley’s enormous delight, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., the historian, termed him “the scourge of liberalism.”

Buckley once said: “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”

I would argue it is more dangerous that liberals do not want to listen to conservatives than it is for them to hear the wrong message from the right. Discussions by Limbaugh or anyone over issues such as sex and birth control are worse than a waste of time. They obliterate the truth, that people should have the right to pursue happiness and not have that right infringed upon by government.

Americans should be outraged over what Obama is doing: the debt he is racking up, Obamacare, his plans to remake America a Green Nation no matter what the cost. If Buckley were alive today, he would be making those arguments and people would be listening.  So well-grounded would be his convictions that even liberals would pay attention. Instead, we have Rush Limbaugh talking about sex, sluts and pornography.

America can right this listing ship only if conservatives get an intelligent standard bearer to carry forward their message. The garbled, guttered wisdom of the Limbaughs and Glenn Becks of the world do nothing but hurt the cause.

Patrick Henry gave a watershed speech. He said: “Give me liberty, or give me death!”

What does Limbaugh proclaim? “Give me more money. If not, at least give me some OxyContin.”

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • Carl Babcock

    Limbaugh is 100% correct….he just used a poor metaphor to make his point and the Obummer loving media has been all over it.
    The same media ignored Bill Maher use of the c-word while discussing Sarah Palin.
    The left-wing biased media is the GREATEST threat to America.

    • Ron

      EXACTLY Paul! The hypocracy in this whole non story, is beyond ridiculous! Somehow, the Liberals are allowed to say whatever they want with no consequences, yet if someone on the right says the same thing, there’s a firestorm.
      Stand up for what’s right…I know I will continue to do so!

    • eddie47d

      You have your dearly departed Breitbart who threw several firebombs also. Too many Conservatives act very innocent and pretend they don’t have their big guns flopping their jaws of absurdity. Couldn’t get him to apologize for his unkind remarks so maybe you ought to look within yourselves for the incivility being spread.

    • John

      Last I know Bill Maher does not use public Airwaves to make his point day in and day out, nor does he gets paid by special interest to do so.

  • DocVenture

    You know, this is just sad. Limbaugh went off on a tangent, and now the liberal’s are in glee. Talk about giving ammunition to your opponent! Here’s the deal, folks. Make liberal’s accountable for the mess in government, the out of control spending, the economy, issues that matter. Instead no, what do conservatives stoop to? Having to defend having morals and sexual values, etc. This is a liberal’s dream, this election! Divert the discussion to anything to make conservatives look like idiots, which effectively takes the eyes off the ball on how shabby this administration has done, on practically everything it has done! I have to hand it to the democrats, they have really made the GOP look like idiots. And the sad thing is, the GOP handed them the material to do so.

    Rush has never been a favorite of mine…I figured out a long time ago, he’s inflammatory for a reason, and back in his “pre-oxycontin” days, he could manage to pull his fat out of the fire when he’d say such incendiary things. Now, he needs a flame proof body suit when he says such stupid things, which are very obviously for the ratings. If he is supposed to be a conservative spokesperson, we should demand a new spokesperson! Forward the discussion, Rush, don’t be a detriment to it!

  • doctordoctor

    Gutless bullsh–. Fluke is undoubtedly a slut, a mattressback! No normal female has to indulge in multiple one night stands. She is almost certainly an s-l-u-t and don’t deserve no r-e-s-p-e-c-t. Who told her she deserves free condoms?

  • Karolyn

    Thank you John. Absolutely, for Rush, it’s all about the numbers. The more outrageous he is, the better.

    • Libertytrain

      yep, just an entertainer – and has said same about himself, that figured shock and awe would make him rich and it did, just like the very sleazy, foul-mouthed bill maher pandering his shock and awe to the left.

  • http://personalliberty Jeff Mikos

    Rush is an entertainer, and if you ever listened for an extended period of time you would understand he uses absurdity to demonstrate absurdity, but always to make a valid point against the big government left. They are trying to control everything we do by taking small pieces of our liberty away. Making us, the taxpayers, pay for fluke’s contraception is just one of many infringements the left is bringing on the American working class. The big issues are always in front of us and every additional piece of information we can get into the public eye the clearer it becomes what obama is trying to do to us. Communism/Socialism will ultimately destroy America and I know Rush and I for sure will do everything in our power to keep that from happening. Don’t judge Rush, open your eyes!

  • http://djkatiegreen.wordpress.com djkatiegreen

    Rush apologized, unlike many of the libs that havent to so many other women where they used the “c” word & other much worse comparisons than what Rush did. Let’s move on & focas on the issues at hand, people. It’s so obvious that the double standard exists more than ever now..

  • Seabreeze

    Fluke is a Flake!

    Where did the Libs dredge her up from. She damn well knew what she was doing when she enrolled and what makes her an expert at anything other than being a stoog for the Dems?

    • eddie47d

      James O’Keefe was a set up and a stooge for the Right so is that “flake” in your picture book and a household name?

    • DaveR

      It’s very simple. Obama likes her and her testimony.

  • http://gravatar.com/dorrey Dorothy

    I’m in my late 60′s,when I was in my early 30′s, had to go on the pill for health reasons other than birth control, I was single anf not sexuality actice, but without usinging the pill to dhelp my body do what it should do, you are more at risk for uterine cancer, which is npretty much a death sentence, why don’t all you men out there look up tthe medical uses of contraception, besides just blanketing it for one use only, you are killing women, and their potential children, with this ignorant viewpoint,

    • Allison Clark

      Walmart $9 dollars per month, but don’t try to make me pay for it with my tax dollars.

    • http://gravatar.com/giantsfan748 giantsfan748

      Dorothy, that would be a medicinal use of hormone replacement, meaning medically necessary, in which cse insurance will cover it.

  • http://www.scantv19.com Mark B. Ward

    You have to be a complete idiot to think Rush was for pornography in this example. He was doing what he always has to do to get through to thick headed mind numb idiots who believe everything the main stream media says… by using absurdity to explain the absurd. It’s not that hard to figure out but I guess the average left head can’t figure the absurd out anymore since they have fried their brains from being depraved.
    As for Buckley being the brains of conservatism… that’s crazy. Buckley may respresent to some the brains of conservatism but it was a Godless Conservatism. The man did not believe one word of God. True conservatism is rooted in the teachings of the bible from Proverbs to the serman on the mount. It’s a shame that people try to pass themselves off as conservative talk show hosts like John Myers when their very foundation was built and tanted from a liberalism upbringing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.calvet Peter Calvet

      True conservatism starts with Ayn Rand who was an atheist and who understood that Christianity has more in common with Communism than Capitalism. Sorry for pointing out facts.

      • Robert Smith

        And don’t forget Goldwater who had no problem with abortion or gays in the military.

        A true conservative and libritarian.

        BTW, Atlas Shrugged part 1 is available for instant internet play at Netflix. Watched it again last Sunday.

        Part 2 is going into production.

        Rob

      • http://www.scantv19.com Mark B. Ward

        if those are facts then it just goes to show you how much things change. Saying that Christianity is closer to communism could only be viewed that way from an atiest. Only a true Christian would understand how funny your comment was. thanks for the laugh there Pete. I think it’s very interesting out of all my comments you choose to make fun of that point. I only gave credit to the fact that Myers considered Buckley a conservative. All the conservatives I know think different than Buckley and they are ALL Christians. But I guess the point of my statement doesn’t matter to the Atheists because they hate anyone mentioning anything about a God. Get over it. You can choose to be an atheist and it’s your right to believe what you believe. Just Remember in the end when we all find out how stupid the Christian were you will remember us for trying to help save you when you could care less. So next time you compare a Christian to a communist you will see how far off you really are. Good luck in eternity there Pete.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1558461120 Lester Peoples

    If ‘Sandra Flukes’ are what we are expected to see graduating in the future [as attorneys] then contraceptives are certainly a Must’. Reproduction should be halted in any means to believe a 23 yr. old at a high priced college can travel around giving sympathy speeches and still pass her tests in class–having sexual relations the rest of her time needing $3,000 dollars for sex aids is a wonderment– as most students will admit!
    Obamas take from rich and give to the poor– like his “auntie” are being followed upon here! I can see Rush Limbaugh’s frustration in full throttle! If he were a democrat it would have passed over everyones head tho’

    • Susan

      She’s 30 something and do you honestly believe she could pass the bar exam.

    • eddie47d

      Yes!

  • Richard

    What is missing in the MSM, of which Fox and Rush are part and parcel, is, as Buckley referred to, “other” points of view, as in, more than two. The ruling elite (the Power Elite, as in C. Wright Mills book of the same name, 1960′s) virtually contol all MSM, in fact own them. Here, on the internet, one can select many. One can, if one chooses, when reading (or hearing) any viewpoint, be selcetive…and, here is a thought: actually think for oneself, and formulate one’s own opinion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.calvet Peter Calvet

    Rush is a pig and a distraction. The sooner he goes the better it will be for all Americans, and we can get back to debating real issues and real problems. For a different take on the issues: http://corporationsarepeople.blogspot.com/.

    • anastasia Beaverhouser

      Peter, if there were no Rush’s in tis world…we would cave to the libs……….we need the absurdity to open our eyes…………you don’t realize what is brought to your attention because of him!

      • http://www.facebook.com/peter.calvet Peter Calvet

        Yeah I do. The Left has made a cottage industry of raising money off Rush’s “absurdity”. On the other side absurdists (real comedians) like Stewart and Colbert do not do the same for the Right.

    • Allison Clark

      Violating the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution is a “big issue,” apparently bigger than you understand or appreciate.

  • http://none Owen

    Stick to your oil and mining and what you know best. This is the same advice I gave to that fat slob movie critic in the Chicago suntimes when he tried to undermine Bush before his last election.

  • bill mcdowell

    Rush was depicting the absurdity of her argument by being absurd in his slut/prostitute/film comments. Those who know him, from decades of his use of this tactic, appreciate that Rush saw the absurdity in Fluke’s distressful situation (30 year old law student at Georgetown) being used as a pawn by Pelosi.

    • eddie47d

      Rush has always attempted to be the captain of the Conservative ship and he just hit another iceberg. That puts some of you in a moral dilemma and you can sink with Rush or change course.

    • Michael J.

      Bill Mcdowell.
      Yes, but this comment by Rush is beyond the swath of his usual absurdity, just a fluke I suspect.

  • don

    i don’t listen to the big mouth. glenn beck is a bit more open minded.

  • Jim

    I’d like to be paid to an idiot

    • anastasia Beaverhouser

      my guess is that you are a paid idiot–no matter where you work

      • Susan

        God you’re good! Awesome.

      • Michael J.

        Anastasia,
        I beleive you misunderstood Jim’s comment, it sounds as if he would like an idiot to receive him as payment for something or other.

    • http://laurencetribe@yahoo.com Laurence Tribe

      And here you are doing it for nothing.

  • Roger Hedges

    A shame that Bill Bennett’s voice of “intellect, candor and good will”, that carries the conservative message in our time is not heard by more. William Buckley he is not, but Rush Limbaugh he is also NOT (thank goodness).
    Roger

    • Aland

      Rush has always honored thinkers like Buckley but his own style has always been “Illustrating absurdity by being absurd.” It works.

      I do the same thing by talking with conservatives leaning libertarian about how abortion should be legal through the age of 16. You should be free to kill your own offspring as long as you don’t require me to kill my progeny. Once I get them to the point of saying “you don’t really believe that do you?” I can have a reasonable discussion about how all laws regulate some kind of morality and we can start talking about what life is worth protecting.

      Your own reaction to Rush wanting to see the video tape should have been the same “you don’t really believe that do you?” Of course, he said what he wants — he don’t want to pay for someone else’s medical care, birth control included. You don’t either do you?

  • Mark

    Rush explained this over and over to those who bother to listen. It’s called: “Illustrating absurdity by being absurd.” It is just as absurd for Fluke to expect us to pay for her “sex-without-consequences lifestyle” as it is to expect an online show in return for our money. If your going to criticize Rush, at least know where he’s coming from before you just pile on like a liberal.

    • Lee Anne

      Hi Mark,
      I agree with what you said. That Rush as has explained it over and over again. So, every one that does not like what he said JUST GET OVER IT!!!! I agree with what he said .
      If .you want to mess around you pay for it.

  • Dee

    I don’t believe in sex before marriage, so I agree with Rush, but not the words he used.
    He could have chosen better words.

    • anastasia Beaverhouser

      his words were strong ……….to show the absurdity of the situation……….otherwise this would be clouded over like all of the other evils the obama administration and the demoncrats are pulling on us…time to wake up and fight back…and NOT be politically correct.

      The demoncrats are not politically correct—-but they only fuss about it when the repubs step outside the line that they have drawn . it is a control issue for them……….

      • Karolyn

        He just uses the words his audience wants to hear – cut and dried. Certain mentalities just love it. I wonder how he talks off te air.

      • DarthEVaderCheney

        BEAVERHOUSER???????? ROFLMBO!!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/frances.maddox1 Frances Maddox

        i AGREE..RUSH exposed THIS ANOTHER atrocious lie,…Rush brought attention to another underhanded, crooked way of Obama to get women’s vote! AND TO THINK WE ARE PAYING FOR OBAMA’S GETTING VOTES, when this Pres. is out to destroy the very FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTRY!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        K: He just uses the words his audience wants to hear – cut and dried. Certain mentalities just love it. I wonder how he talks off te air.

        And so does every other media personality. Btw, have you heard the language coming out of the mouth of Maher? But look who i’m asking, one of Bill Maher’s biggest fans! Could you be any more hypocritical, Karolyn?

      • Karolyn

        Jay – I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: I do not watch Bill Maher and have no desire to. Most of that type of rhetoric I do not like and would not waste my time on.

  • Doc

    Sounds like this John is just a little bit jealous of Rush same as Michael J here. I think Rush should have stuck to his guns because the simple fact is one that you both seem to forget. The left has been doing this same crap for years and just like the liberal media, you two seem to forget that. AND Rush has fun doing it!

    “For those who have fought for it freedom has a sweet taste the protected will never know”

  • Ace

    This idiot clearly does not know when one is being absurd to illustrate the absurd. What a literalist. How would you like this guy to be your father. Lighten up buddy.

    • Dagney

      Very good. The first cogent posting in the comments section. I assume, however, you are referring to the article writer? Yes, that was Rush’s point….point out how absurd Ms. Fluke’s stance was, how absurd it was for Nancy Pelosi to call her so-called “hearing”. So, to do that he was absurdly suggesting how we could be recompensed for looking the other way while the government eviserated the 1st Amendment of the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and forced churches to provide “health-care” that kills babies and allows immoral women to get “fluked” three times a day. Yes, Rush was being crude, but it was in response to the crudity of Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and that Fluke woman. And, while he did apologize, I was at first horrified that he did. However, his apology was for lowering himself to THEIR level. He’s a master of words and he turned the whole thing on them and they (and obviously some of you) STILL do not even realize it!

      • Patriot Joe

        Very well said, Dagney. You are demonstrating intelligent thought and clear thinking. Rush has stated on many occasions that he uses absurdity to demonstrate the left’s absurdity.
        Watch out Dagney. the left does not tolerate clear thought and logic so you will probably be called some viscious names. Just remember, name calling is all these illiterates have.

  • howard

    rush was right as he is 98.6 percent of the time. fluke is a slut and that is no fluke.

    • Susan

      I’m sick of the right and the left calling Rush a drug addict. At this point in time he is not and hasn’t been for a long time. I’d venture to say that 35% of Americans are. Be it pot or oxy or herion or even alcohol. He did something about his addiction. And Ms. Fluke was exactly what she portrayed herself to be. A radical who is of the entitlement mentality and the argument isn’t about birth control it’s about FORCING CHURCHES to go against church doctrine and imposing government on the church against their beliefs. I don’t care how many boys and girls want to have sex at college or who wants to work at a Christian college I don’t want to pay for their good times. Heck why don’t they ask the church to pay for their drugs and alcohol. This country is ruined and the left has ruined it.

      • Patriot Joe

        Susan, you have shone the light of truth on this whole sorry mess. thank you and God bless you.

      • DaveH

        What poisons anybody puts in their own bodies, voluntarily, is absolutely nobody else’s business.

      • Robert Smith

        Susan, Susan, Susan… (sigh) You post: “At this point in time he is not and hasn’t been for a long time…”

        Really? He is still an abuser of drugs. How do you explain the viagra he was caught with at an airport as he was coming home from a resort known to cater to pedophiles?

        Remember, Rush Limbaugh was caught with viagra. He had been on vacation in the Dominican Republic.

        It’s well known that children are trafficked there.

        By Rush’s own standards of circumstance and inuendo he is guilty as observed.

        Rob

      • Libertytrain

        rob, I’m not saying your wrong or right about rush….perhaps you have some experience with this situation yourself which may make you knowledgeable about it, however you seem to really pick and choose the gossip you opt to believe or not believe… :)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Robert: By Rush’s own standards of circumstance and inuendo he is guilty as observed.

        By the standards of logic, and sound argumentation, you Robert, are an idiot!

    • eddie47d

      Rush lied about his addiction as many druggies do but a small time user can spend a lot of time in jail for having a bad habit. Rush was more of a hypocrite and could buy his way out of his problems. This country has also been ruined by the right and their unbridled greed and accepting crony capitalism as the norm.

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d,
        The R’s and the D’s own equal market share in drug addiction and crony capitalism stock. And leave Norm out of this.

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        It’s easy for eddie to say these thing: ” This country has also been ruined by the right and their unbridled greed and accepting crony capitalism as the norm.”

        Especially because he hasn’t a clue what he’s saying…don’t wait for him to qualify that statement though…it just ain’t in his genes…he hates Rush, then attempts to mimic his style…go figure?

      • eddie47d

        What is there to “qualify” for it is in black and white and it must be true since you danced around the comment. You’re getting really boring Jeff!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        eddie again reveals to all that he hasn’t a clue. Dancing is your forte eddie, not mine. As to qualifying the portion of your comment that I addressed, you provide nothing more than your opinion, which isn’t fact despite your belief that opinions are facts, and never ever provide anything that will even remotely support your talking pointsother than your uncreditable word . If you could prove otherwise you would but you can’t.

    • John

      howard, Google rush lies and then tell me again about that 98% of truth…..

  • AJ

    Limbaugh is a windbag that is paid by the global elite to distract us and keep us fighting amoungst each other. Also to keep our attention off the real important issues. He’s one of the global elite.

    • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

      You got it. I never thought I would agree with Al Franken on anything, but he hit the nail on the head when he wrote the book “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot”.

      • anastasia Beaverhouser

        the fact that you agree with Franken on anything tells the story………..brains are not in your corner.

        RUSH…..gives us many facts that will help us…he is a shock talk radio personality to get your brains going….he incites you to think……….

        or do a liberal brain shutdown

      • DonnieB

        Really, Al Franken??? This person is a tool that Dems may have been able to rig the election just to get the 60th vote so they could ram healthcare down our throats. Many of the people who do not like Rush, don’t listen to what he has to say. He is human and can certainly make a mistake. Sometimes even telling the truth gets you into trouble.

        Ms. Fluke is the one who set herself up as public figure and whined that she was going broke paying for her own birth control and wanted the government to pay for it. Now the media is caring the water for the Dems saying Ms Fluke was talking about birth control pills used for other purposes. A gotcha, if I ever saw one. This dog and pony show was setup by Nancy Pelosi & the Dems for this very purpose. Personally I don’t care how much sex the 30 year old college student that is attending a very expensive school has or with whom. But not on my dime.

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        And your “handle” on this board is anastasia beaverhouser? Wow – that took a lot of brains to come up with … (NOT – !!)

        I stick to my guns. Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot. He is also a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
        A.B., for someone who thinks they are so smart, you have been drinking the Rush kool-aide. Wake up.

      • Allison Clark

        Name calling? That’s smart. Why don’t you wake-up, and read the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution? “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof … .”

      • Rob

        Glad to see someone else with intelligence. The man has a GED, which means for those of you who don’t know, is that he never graduated High School.

      • Libertytrain

        Anastasia – you must be very very new here or you would not have written that very ignorant statement about Carlucci.

      • DaveH

        I agree with Libertytrain and Carlucci.
        Anastasia says — “the fact that you agree with Franken on anything tells the story”.
        What kind of logic is that? If Franken said murder was wrong, Anastasia, you would disagree just because Al Franken said it? You sound like a NeoCon Zealot to me.

      • Libertytrain

        Rob – he got his GED – that’s kind of like the equivalent of high school…However, I find it remarkable that he achieved the American Dream…. without a huge education. He is a very intelligent man to have created what he did out of nothing but his own talents. And no, I don’t care for him, don’t listen to him but he accomplished something against the odds.

      • Robert Smith

        Beaverhouses: “gives us many facts that will help us…”

        Really? Tell us some.

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Rob says: “The man has a GED, which means for those of you who don’t know, is that he never graduated High School.”

        There is no evidence he passed the test, so there is no guarentee he has that.

        Rob

      • Libertytrain

        rob then he is one very successful “drop out” — you can’t be too stupid to accomplish what he has.

      • Gerard

        LibertyTrain says: “rob then he is one very successful “drop out” — you can’t be too stupid to accomplish what he has.”

        I agree that Rush has been successful making money….my hope is that not all Americans think that making money in this manner is respectful and desirable. The percentage of Americans that follow RL is small. Most do not approve of the way he “shocks” anyone. It is not what majority of Americans think is good for our country. Just remember that with freedom of speech also comes responsibility for what you say….Rush has not taken responsibility but has only transferred blame for what he said to others, made a very weak apology only after sponsors and advertisers left him in droves. The “shock” has come back to where it started.

      • Ron

        You libs are so afraid of people like Rush and Beck because they spread the truth about the Democrats and yes, the Republicans.
        Thing is, you are so far off base about Rush losing advertisers. He lost a couple of NATIONAL sponsors, then at least one wanted to return and they were told to pound sand!
        Another point here is that despite what you think, he DID APPOLOGIZE, yet for leftists that isn’t good enough. Where’s your outrage about Maher, Schultz and the rest of those losers on the left, that have said some very vile things about women and even mentally challenged children??? Somehow their “words” are okay with the left, with NO APPOLOGY, yet Rush appologizes for what he said and libs are calling for his head!
        HYPOCRITES…all of you!

      • Deerinwater

        Yea! Right ! Truth!

        We are afraid you might run off half cocked and get yourself hurt before you hurt somebody.

        That’s what we are afraid of. We don’t want anyone hurt as you posture yourself as an adversary with a threatening predisposed disposition.

        Make any sense to you?

        I didn’t think so.

      • Ron

        Hey water…yes I do get it. Too bad ou don’t, then again Libtards never do. Enjoy your life under Comrade Obama and his Goons while you can. The country they’re destroying, belongs to ALL of us, including you!

      • Libertytrain

        gerard – I am not a rush fan, never have been. I don’t care for that kind of style – same reason I wouldn’t watch maher. Many entertainers like rush are tacky. However, to accomplish what he accomplished is pretty amazing for a high school drop out with or without a GED.

      • Gerard

        Reply to Ron: I don’t claim to be a Liberal or a Conservative. I operated a farm for over 20 years and learned many, many ways to be conservative. But I had to quit farming for health reasons and saw the need for protection of a patient in regard to health insurance companies. So you see I am somewhat in the middle for I have been on both sides of the spectrum. I am not a Libtard or a heartless Conservative. I am only in favor of this country to be as good as it can be for all its citizens. That’s a Democracy…all have a fair chance to pursue life, liberty and happiness. The anger you exhibit clouds your ability to understand this basic principle of the Constitution. And by the way here is an article backing my statement of advertisers leaving Rush’s show:

        http://blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/03/07/dozens-of-advertisers-leaving-rush-limbaugh-industry-scaredvideo/

        And I don’t condone any public entertainer or commenter on this blog who uses offensive language against anyone or calls them names that they do not deserve. The subject IS Rush Limbaugh’s comments.

      • Ron

        Gerard, the problem with your opinion, is that the Founders did not set this country up as a democracy!
        As for your other opinion thinking I’m angry, wrong again! I’m very passionate and base my passion on facts!
        Sorry your opinions are so far off…

      • Deerinwater

        “: I don’t claim to be a Liberal or a Conservative. I operated a farm for over 20 years and learned many, many ways to be conservative.”

        Gerald, I don’t think your and my ideas about conservative seem to count. It kind of like “W’s” wars, they wanted to fight them, but they didn’t want to pay for them. That’s conservatism today.

        Like on the farm and rounding up stock, 500 hundred head free grazing in thick brush for 12 months ,today conservative sees the need for 6 cowboys and 4 cow ponies. Leaving you with orders , don’t make me come down there and show you how to do it!

    • BERNADINE

      rush is not all wrong on what he say’s this whole thing is wrong.
      ABORTION HAS BEEN THE bigest toppic of this election along with birth control
      and abortions being paid for by the american people thru.
      Obamacare..WOMEN ARE THE ONES THAT IS SCREAMING FOR
      THIS SO THEY CAN HAVE ABORTION WITH OUT PAYING FOR IT.
      ABORTION IS BIG BUSSINESS AS YOU ARE EATING THESE BABYS
      EVERY DAY THAT IS WHY THEY WANT TO MURDER BABYS WHEN THEY ARE BORN
      BABY PARTS ARE IN YOUR DRINKS IN THE SHOTS GOVERNMENT DEMANDS YOU HAVE. GOD IS IN WAR WITH SATAN SO QUIT THE S**T AND iMPEACH OBAMA,HILLERY,
      NANCY POLOSI AND ALL THE UN ELECTED COMMIES OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
      OR ARE YOU JUST GOING TO THIS ONE NATION UNDER GOD. FOR ALL YOUR EDUCATION YOU ALL CAN NOT SEE PAST YOUR NOSE. OR YOU HAVE NO COMMAN SENSE. GOD BLESS.

      • Karolyn

        OMG! Somebody’s over the edge!

      • http://www.facebook.com/peter.calvet Peter Calvet

        Bernie, time to take your meds.

      • dakotahgeorthEVaderCheney

        Bernie!!!
        ROFLMBO!!! You are the epitome of how easy it is to distract Conservies/American christian Taliban people. RUSH Limbberger is feeding you pink slime while he feasts on steak and you’re satisfied with that? Limberger is the Republican savior that is leading you people over a cliff, and you’re all singing, “Onward, Christian Soldiers”!!!

      • Allison Clark

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof … .” The Bill of Rights and First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

      • DaveH

        And you, Dakota, are the epitome of Liberals who rarely have any facts so instead must personally attack those they disagree with.

      • Robert Smith

        From Bernadine: “ABORTION IS BIG BUSSINESS AS YOU ARE EATING THESE BABYS
        EVERY DAY ”

        ROFL… Nobody is eating any babys.

        However, how does your Jesus taste best? On a cracker with a little salt and blood?

        Remember that LITERAL transsubstanciation and REAL canabalsim.

        Rob

      • Michael J.

        Robert Smith,
        We haven’t forgotten your Wiccan ways and find your comment a bit ironic.

      • Robert Smith

        Another lie from MIchael.

        Rob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        And you,dakotahgeorthEVaderCheney , are the epitome of how the Democratic/American degenerate ghouls, unabashedly display their hypocrisy! When will you fools realize that Obama is feeding you his own feces, while he jets around enjoying lavish vacation, spending your money, selling of your country piece-meal, and banging your women, and your little boys?

        Obama’s is the Democratic savior, that is leading you lemmings into the fire, and you’re all singing; Onward, you fools, let us enter before the fires cool”!!! ROFLMAO!!!

  • Michael J.

    Rush is a blabber mouth who sometimes manages to hit the nail on the head. Uncouth remarks are his trademark. Staunch Republican viewpoints and closet Romney supporter from what I glean from occasionally listening. What usually reminds me to tune into his radio show is when he passes by me in his black sedan with tinted windows through which his large sillohette and stogie protruding from his face are clearly unmistakeable. I personally do not like him but consider his show informational even though it mostly consists of Drudge reviews, Rush doing little research of his own these days out of laziness I suspect. At any rate, he certainly is not the voice of the Republican Party, let alone conservatives as the Obama misfits try to paint him, but instead just another source of beleive-it-or-not information consumed and digested daily in the formation of our own view of the world, nothing more.

    • Barbara Hampton-Barclay

      Rush Limbaugh is a dangerous entertainer with the illusion of being a radio journalist and the mindless people who accord him any kind of analytical intelligence are fooling themselves. He really hurts the conservatives with his idiotic, misogynistic statements. There are many women who take the pill for gynecological purposes. And so what if not. Insurance pays men to buy Viagra for their ED. Are we paying for them to have sex (When god and their bodies have told them to quit). Rush’s tirade also took the question away from religious freedom and made it about women having sex outside of marriage. Men having sex outside of marriage are not called, “whores” or “prostitutes”. The whole argument is specious. The constitution allows government to enforce regulations for the general welfare. Churches do not pay taxes and get many perks for being religions. Once those perks are withdrawn and they do pay taxes, then they can have a say in what the government regulates. In the meanwhile, stay out of my bedroom and my private life.

      • anastasia Beaverhouser

        fluke invited the comments….and i doubt anyone wants in your bedroom…

      • Paul

        Barbara,we called the guys slut puppies and if you think Rush is bad,what’s your take on bill mahar(not capitolized on purpose)?

      • Allison Clark

        Once those perks are withdrawn and they do pay taxes, then they can have a say in what the government regulates. ? Excuse me. Have you read the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution? Hell No, the federal government does NOT have any right to “regulate” or direct religious organizations to do a Damned thing! Don’t forget, this whole issue was brought about by the Obama mandate for religious organizations to provide birth control, sterilization and the morning after pill, against the tenants of their faith; their religion. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof … .” Apply some critical thought here. If the President gets away with this violation of the Bill of Rights, what other enumerated Rights are you willing to give-up for the sake of ‘free sex?’ What is to stop this President or any other future President to further trample on the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the rights of free people?

      • Karolyn

        Paul – What era and place are you from? “slut puppies?” I never listen to any of the sleazeballs, conservative or liberal, who use their pulpits for their own agrandizment.

      • eddie47d

        I doubt very much if Ms Fluke purposely brought on Rush’s nasty comments. Those words flowed from his mouth with joyful glee and gave his listeners a black eye for covering up for him.

      • Gerard

        Well said Barbara, men who take Viagra covered by insurance so THEY can have sex are somewhat oblivious to fact that women have to carry their child and also take on the chance of having medical issues during this time. It’s like caveman mentality where he drags his woman by the hair to his cave and has his way with her. I am a man and totally respect a woman’s right to if she wants to become a mother or not. Most self-centered men, and it seems including RL, do not take the time or effort to understand the medical needs of women who do have gynecological problems. These do exist. That’s why there are gynecologists, dear men. A good share of women do take BC to prevent pregnancy which is the way better choice than abortion which I do not support. And is much less expensive for the insurance company to provide than medical follow ups for pregnancy. So the argument that it is so expensive for BC is an empty one. Get a grip self-centered men. Women only want equal rights because the Constitution says they can. So follow your Constitution which you so dearly adore and allow women the same rights that it provides for you.

      • Ron

        No one disputes that SOME women may need to take the “pill” for female problems, but it’s pretty obvious that this isn’t the case with Ms. Fluke! She just wants to spread her legs and have the taxpayers pay for it….RIDICULOUS!
        As was stated by a person in the Santorum camp…use an asprin! It’s much more effective and doesn’t cost that much!! Heck, I’ll send her a couple of years supply myself!!!
        The whole point here is that personal responsibility has gone to the wayside and it always seems that those who ARE responsible, have to pick up the tab! I for one, am SICK OF IT!!

      • Maryland Freestater

        Rush is a carpetbagger and an entertainer. I wouldn’t worry about him too much even if he does have a following.

        What I myself DO worry about is this current Administration being hell-bent on tearing this country down or apart. I used to kind-of like Bush Jr. (I am Libertarian but tilt right) until I started reading about what he oversaw during his watch (Patriot Act, et al): Obama seems to be determined to force some kind of socialist agenda down our throats.

        Hell, even Communists realize that socialism doesn’t work!

        M’am, if you want to lie awake in dread and anger at night, research “Agenda 21″. Those who formulated this insidious, Satanic abomination should be executed with EXTREME prejudice – I would PAY to be the executioner for this act!- because of the harm this ‘act’ is causing worldwide and will increasingly cause if we Americans allow this to be pursued any further. It’s also reason enough to kick the UN out of NYC and make the US withdraw from this useless waste of prime real estate.

        I’ve determined that some ‘dark hand’ is causing people in this country to become deranged when it comes to politics and philosophy of not only government but how we all conduct our lives. We’ve been systematically tricked (or conditioned) into a harsh polarization, which plays on the emotions and shorts out reasoning. The sooner people wake up to this, the sooner we retake America and the TRUE American way, a return to Constitutionalism.

        This may cost a LOT of pundits their jobs.

        Finally, I’d like to see what Ms. Flukes’ boyfriend looks like- she herself could use the services of a good Dominican beautician and I WOULD be willing to pay for THAT!

      • Robert Smith

        Paul asks: “what’s your take on bill mahar(not capitolized on purpose)?”

        Bill Mahar is an entertainer who makes people laugh. He points out they hipocracy and lies from the right. Nobody has refuted what he has said, they simply say they don’t like him and what he says.

        BOOKS have been writted about Rush, his lies, etc. Rush has a formal (dittoheads) following who are goose stepping along with him.

        Bill Mahar has a bunch of folks who are thinking and usually agree with him.

        Bill Mahar is HONEST about his pot use. Rush… Well we all know about the Oxy and Viagra.

        Rob

      • Sama

        Gerard: The ‘church’ does not ban the use of birth control pills for the correction of medical issues. It bans the use for birth control purposes. People know so little of what they rant about.
        1st Amendment!
        Giving churches their first amendment rights is not “denying” birth control for the populace! Another lie the left is loving.

      • Russ Amundsen

        I believe most of the posts here are totally missing the point. BIG GOVERNMENT FORCING THE PUBLIC TO PAY FOR ANYTHING IS WRONG!!! Ms Fluke was criticized for inaccurate costs for contraceptives, when she attends a college among the highest costs in the country to attend. Someone noted she will attain a yearly income above 150K the first year out of college, Again, the government is rewriting the laws and seeking to make Congress irrelevant. Very dangerous is the systematic erosion of the three branches of government.

      • El Rondo

        Dear Barbie,
        You are as ignorant as any liberal I have ever met! Religion has nothing to do with the issues, the arguments or the causes. If it did, your religion would be just as guilty as any other. Democrat liberalism (also knon as “Progressivism”) meets all the legal requqiremtns of a religion and has its own textbooks (Humanist Manifesto, Sol Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”…this is listed by Obama as one of his favorites) and its own sacraments (e.g. abortion, gay marriage). Unfortunately this is a chance for you to crawl out from under your rock and start puking your God-hating at “Christians” And, let’s face it. Most of you bastard sons/daughters of Satan really don’t have any objection to “Religion” as long as it conforms to your common goals of ridding the world of Judeo-Christian values. That’s why Atheists, Progressives, Muslims and Black-Liberation theologists can all get to gether and clap each other on the back. Your stated common goal is to get rid of the inffluence of Godly precepts in the public arena and even private decision making. Most of you pseudo-intellectual braying jackasses pretend that you don’t really care about religions as long as they “stay out of our bedrooms” but you really, really really despise all Christians and Jews. You’re not fooling anyone Barbie-doll. Your ignorance is a glittering collossal jewel.

      • Robert Smith

        From sama: :Giving churches their first amendment rights is not “denying” birth control for the populace! Another lie the left is loving.”

        Not a lie. You don’t remember who the opposition to “Griswold v. Connecticut” decided on Monday, June 7, 1965 . It was and how that established that birth control was OK.

        Like assisted suicide and abortion the church was very active in opposing freedom in America and imposing its beliefs upon those not of their flock.

        Rob

    • Paul

      If thats the case, why do the Republican leaders, and candidates fear him? And with all the serioius problems facing our Country, why did the neo-cons bring up this issue of contraceptives in the first place?

      • Michael J.

        Paul,
        Tell us which Republican leaders and candidates fear Rush Limbaugh???
        The contraceptive non-issue was conceived (pun intended) in some dark, dank liberal think tank to avert our focus away from the day-to-day freedom stealing tactics of the Obama administration and it’s plethora of commie cohorts. Secondly, to devide christians in an effort to weaken Catholisism. And finally to enlist womans support for Obama’s re-election, an area where polls suggest he is currently weakening.

      • Robert Smith

        Michael asks: “Tell us which Republican leaders and candidates fear Rush Limbaugh???”

        Romney has NOT challenged Rush’s abusive comments. He either agrees or he’s a coward.

        Rob

      • Michael J.

        Robert Smith says:
        “Romney has NOT challenged Rush’s abusive comments. He either agrees or he’s a coward.”

        OK, Romney has not chimed in, that however does not provide evidence that he either agrees or disagrees, although he may well be a coward.

        On another note, Rush’s comments are no more abusive than Bill Maher’s.

        BTW, none of the four above mentioned individuals should become anyone’s role models.

  • Vicki

    The op writes about Rush

    Finally, is he saying pornography is OK, but birth control is not?

    No. Rush is saying that it is wrong for her to make other people (thru force of government) pay for her birth control. He did then suggest as long as she is forcing us to pay for her sex life that she should give us a show in return.

    Quite logical really. Though I do wish he had kept his audience focused on the problem of government forcing us to pay for her pleasure.

    It would have been nice if he also covered the LFBC Fraud investigation and the Obama / Panetta statements about the usefulness of Congress but he only has a limited amount of time to cover the wealth of problems that Obama’s administration is creating.

    Besides I didn’t listen to everything Rush said that week either so maybe he did cover the above too.

    • The truth

      Vicki, the fact that you believe other people pay for her birth control (because Rush told you so) says it all. Do you think health care plans that cover earth care at your work are more expensive or less expensive?

      • anastasia Beaverhouser

        YES! and if Fluke gets what she wants—I want payback for all the birth control pills I have paid for in the last 30 years!

      • Ron

        Who do you think pays for the “healthcare”?? Someone has to and the FACT is that this woman sat there and said that it should be paid for by someone else, ie healthcare!
        Yes, Rush was over the top, but that’s how he gets his point across. He was saying that because this woman wanted to have all this sex, yet didn’t want the RESPONSIBILITY of paying for it, or making her partner(s) pay for, but instead felt complled to make taxpayers, who ultimatlity pay for this, do so, in a round about way, makes her a prostitute. Again, he was over the top, but that’s what he’s ALWAYS done, like it or not.
        Sure, it’s her right to have sex all she wants, but to think someone else should pay for her excapades, is RIDICULOUS, but then again, that’s what the liberals want people to believe, that you can do whatever you wantand everyone else has to pay for it. Sickening doesn’t even begin to describe what’s happening to this country…

      • UncleJC

        Dear Truth,

        . . . “Vicki, the fact that you believe other people pay for her birth control (because Rush told you so) says it all.”

        Yes, she DOES want taxpayers and EVERYONE who has insurance – except unions who are exempt from Obama’s laws – to pay for her “contraception”, a.k.a. abortion. It’s not “because Rush said so”; it’because THAT IS what those faux-hearings were all about!

        And yes, it IS about ABORTIONS, not about “contraception”. Birth control pills are $14.00 at WalMart. A Georgetown student is hardly “going broke” buying contraception, as she stated during her “testimony”. Every public health department in every county gives free condoms away, as do the pubic elementary, junior high, and high schools. If you don’t like those, you can buy them at WalMart, too, although a bit more expensive than the pill.

        The super-Big Business, Planned Parenthood, runs their abortion mills with a great deal of taxpayer subsidization. And PP’s taxpayer gifts were the reason for the hearings.

        Why should PRIVATE insurance companies be FORCED to pay – thus, every one of their customers pay for it – when “contraception is free or very cheap, depending upon your choices?

        . . . “Do you think health care plans that cover earth care at your work are more expensive or less expensive?”

        DEFINITELY, YES. Health insurance companies doing business in that great liberal Mecca of California are mandated to provide “transgender reassignment” services and coverage. I will NEVER need that surgery or services. Yet when I lived there, I had to have it in my insurance coverage. I was forced to pay for someone else to have it because its cost was in EVERY policy because the government required it.

        I did not want that coverage and won’t ever use it, but my policy HAD to have it, and I had to pay for it. It is government mandate, no option, no choice.

        This is the kind of mandate that that (D) hearing wants to impose on all of us – whether or not we want it, whether or not we can use it.

      • Rob

        You know… you all still don’t get it. As usual, you don’t listen. You’re lemmings. Since health care covers VIAGRA, and since fluke was talking about birth control to control cysts on ovaries and not about becoming pregnant, you’d understand. As for Obama grabbing power, yah think perhaps you need to go back and notice what Cheney did not to mention Bush? And perhaps since you don’t use spell check, you could look up in the dictionary the correct spelling of words and read it again, before you post. Just for the record, not I’m not happy with Obama. The choices on the Republican side, just watch them and you’ll see. I’m an independent. Thank god more of us are becoming so. Maybe if we stopped attacking candidates with negative personal attacks, really qualified people would run? What bothers me most is…. now with PAC’s, you can buy your political position. Watching the downfall of American, the lack of compromise and the all or nothing approach, both sides have taken, is not only sad, but sickening. This is what we want to leave our children?

      • Keith

        Yes, there are healthcare plans that cover the cost of contraceptives. I haven’t gone out and checked lately, but I know that in years past this has been accomplished through the use of “riders” on the policy and not something that is covered in the general policy. This is as it should be. Those who need/want the riders pay a little extra to have that particular coverage. If you do not need that type of coverage, then you don’t need to be paying for it.

        The Obama Regime is trying to force all of us to pay for something all of us don’t need, and many of us oppose for various reasons. These reasons could be, as in the case of the Catholic Church, moral reasons, or it could be something even more simple of not wanting to pay for someone else to get a “freebie.” Either way, We the People should be standing strong against any unnecessary intrusions into our beliefs, our wallets and our liberties.

      • Gerard

        Reply to Anastasia….So you have been having sex for 30 years straight!! OMG!!! That’s as long as Sandra Fluke is old. That makes you a ……. and a ……… I just can’t bring myself to say the words. Rush has more class than I do so I will let him say the S and W words. And I hope you took some videos during those 30 years for Rush to watch.

      • Bob Johnson

        We are already paying for it, there is no such thing as a free lunch. We pay for way too much in this country that is the responsibility of the individual, not the taxpayers. The oldest birth control method is abstinence, which if you are not married, you should be practicing, and if you do not, be prepared for the consequences. Tired of all you people whining and moaning about Rush calling the girl a slut, if the shoe fits, wear it.

      • BigBadJohn

        “You know… you all still don’t get it. As usual, you don’t listen. You’re lemmings. Since health care covers VIAGRA,”

        Rob, you are swallowing the rhetoric, Viagra is only covered on a minority of insurance policies, and the ones that do cover Viagra generally cover contraception also.

        Many Insurers Are Deciding Not to Cover Cost of Viagra
        By MILT FREUDENHEIM
        Published: June 20, 1998

        Some of the nation’s biggest health insurers have decided not to pay for Viagra, the new male impotence drug, under their prescription drug plans. They said that providing the recommended 6 to 12 pills per month would be too expensive, adding hundreds of millions of dollars to annual costs.

        The drug has been promoted as an important enhancement to the quality of life for many older men and their wives, but some health economists have raised questions about the medical necessity of a treatment for impotence and the expense relative to other drugs.

        Kaiser Permanente, the nation’s largest nonprofit health maintenance organization, announced yesterday that Viagra would only be available as an extra benefit at an additional cost to employer groups or to individuals who buy it with their own money at Kaiser pharmacies.

        Kaiser, which has 9.1 million members in 19 states, said the cost of covering Viagra would have exceeded $100 million a year. Many Kaiser members are older men who are believed likely to request the drug.

        Ad against5 McCain.
        The ad implies there is a significant disparity between the number of insurance plans that cover Viagra and those that cover birth control. But that’s not the case. A 2004 report by the nonpartisan Guttmacher Institute found that in 2002, 86 percent of the plans that insurance companies typically wrote for employers covered the full range of approved reversible contraceptive methods (birth control pills, hormone injections, implants, IUDs and diaphragms), and only 2 percent covered no methods at all.

        The worry that Viagra, but not birth control, is being included in health care plans is out-of-date, according to Adam Sonfield, who coauthored the report. He says that when Viagra initially became available and insurers began to cover it, “there was concern that this was the case and that insurance companies really were covering erectile dysfunction drugs but were not covering contraception.” This concern, he says, helped spur efforts to get contraception coverage mandated in 27 states, and contraceptive coverage rates shot up as a result. Sonfield’s study, which asked insurance companies about employer-sponsored plans, found that coverage of contraceptive methods had tripled from 1993 to 2002. Sonfield says that the number of plans covering birth control likely has continued to increase over the last six years, though he stresses that U.S. health care is still short of complete coverage.

        DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

      • http://gravatar.com/wandamurline wandamurlinew

        You can purchase birth control pills at WallMart for $9 a month…Ms. Fluke is not a 23 year old student….she is a 30 year old, liberal progressive women’s activist…as that has come out about her….so she already lied, I’m soooo shocked that a liberal would lie. But the focus is not on whether or not she can buy birthcontrol pills….she wants me to pay for them…and Obama wants the Catholic Church’s schools and hospitals to pay for them also even though it is against their religious beliefs….I think that is consumed in the 1st Amendment and a big reason we left England in the first place to come to America. This whole thing is a distraction by the Demorats because “The One” stepped over the line, so they start the birth control crap….it is about the religious freedoms of this country….the first amendment of the Constitution….that the government cannot make you submit to any particular religion and cannot further that religious cause. This was about the Constitution….not about Contraception…..a total distraction to get you off Obama’s butt.

      • Danette

        What a nation of moral wimps and liberal bootlickers. Liberty does not require me to pay for anyone’s healthcare let alone for their abortions (murders). I won’t do it as a matter of principle. The consequences and the nation be damned.

      • JKinIL

        June:

        It’s important to arrive at the beginning of the “movie”. The Catholic Church jumped into this with both feet, saying that individuals who work for affiliated organizations aren’t moral enough to make choices for themselves, so the Church will overrule whatever the woman, her mate, her doctor, her beliefs, and her God (Religion does not equal God) by stepping between her insurance company (which is part of her compensation).

        THEN, Rep Issa called a “hearing” on this, ostensibly to get to the bottom of this incursion into “church rights”. More on this later…. That was the FIRST mistake.

        SECOND mistake: refusing the request to let Fluke testify at his hearing…this would have all been a distant memory by now.

        THIRD mistake: permitting a photo op of five men testifying. While you can control the pictures, you cannot control the captioning. Five men testifying about contraception is the caption that was supplied, so the door was open to Pelosi to hold an alternative hearing, HIGHLIGHTING Fluke.

        THEN, the FOURTH mistake was made–by Rush. Fluke’s testimony would have been a distant memory by now, if Rush hadn’t made it an issue. He supplied the caption for the Fluke picture, instead of letting the issue die. We’ll skip over that for now….FIFTH mistake: waiting til the sponsors started pulling out to apologize.

        THEN, the SIXTH mistake was made–by GOP leadership. They failed to condemn Rush. Why? President Obama will supply that answer during the campaign…they were too afraid of Rush…so, how do you think they will stand up to Iran or North Korea?

        On the “church rights” issue, the First Amendment is about part of the Bill of Rights. The rights are for the INDIVIDUAL. In the same amendment, INDIVIDUALS are given the right to assemble peacefully and to petition their government to address grievances. The government has already exempted churches from the contraception mandate. In fact, the law already exempts churches from a variety of laws, including discrimination in hiring, so Baptist churches can’t be sued for not hiring someone on the basis of their faith. However, in lay roles, such as hospitals, that protection (from discrimination) does not apply. The church as an institution does not supplant the rights of individuals, especially of individuals who do not belong to the specific religion in question. A Jewish or Muslim or Atheist nurse or doctor who works in a Catholic hospital cannot be discriminated against on the basis of religion (except in the case of Chaplain, perhaps…)

        The government’s position is consistent: the rights of the individual trump the rights of religion to dictate policy in matters of health care, morals, etc.

        The Church has failed to make its case to the flock. This is an end around that the GOP tried to drive as a wedge issue but so monstrously botched their response that it blew up in their faces. Now, the GOP is caught on the wrong side of public opinion, and everything they do just keeps the story rolling on and on and on.

        Including this story and the commenting….

      • RichE

        Very nice post.

      • Keith

        JKinIL,

        You have that wrong about the Catholic Church. They made no claim about the morals of the persons working for affiliated organizations. The point you are missing is that even though insurance may be part of the employees compensation, the Church has to pay for at least part of it. And the Church refuses to pay for something that they oppose upon principal. No where did the Catholic Church say that an employee could not get their own insurance plan instead of the one offered through employment, or in supplement to it, that does include contraceptive coverage.

        Think of it this way. If you are against an item because it violates your core beliefs, will you then just blindly say “OK, I’ll pay someone else who will then pay for this item for you”? Would your conscience be clear doing that? You are still financing the item, even if it is through a third party. If this were drugs or terrorism, you could even be criminally charged for having helped finance it.

      • Wyatt

        Someone is paying the tab on Ms Flukes contrceptives , she seems to think it should be America . And for anyone call her a young lady is a stretch , at 30 years of age she is a grown woman and should be responsible for her own bills . I see her testimony as just another plant by Nancy Pelosi to advance Leftist ambitions to take over our Government and destroy America in the process . Maybe Congress woman would like to pick up the tab for Fluke’s birth control pills ?

        To claim $3000 as her yearly expense is quite stretch of the imagination , or she is supplying all her friends as well . And besides , Ms Fluke is in collage supposedly to get an education , not get laid !

      • Opal the Gem

        Gerard says:
        March 14, 2012 at 8:44 am
        Reply to Anastasia….So you have been having sex for 30 years straight!! OMG!!! That’s as long as Sandra Fluke is old. That makes you a ……. and a ………

        Gerard how do you know she has had many partners over those 30 years? Anastasia quite probably has been married those 30 years and been faithful to her husband. People call Rush a “judgemental ass” but that does not even begain to describe you with your ASSumptions.

      • sb36695

        My insurance doesn’t cover anything reproductive because I don’t need it, and I don’t want to pay for someone else. I am curious as to how many even need birth control with the aging population.

      • JKinIL

        I wish my insurance didn’t cover illness from alcoholism, tobacco use, drug abuse, gun accidents, obesity, and motorcycle accidents–especially when the rider’s not wearing a helmet. Unfortunately, that’s not how insurance works…

      • tony

        I’ll write slow so you all can understand. 16% of all women taking birth control pills do so for health reasons. Ms. Fluke mentioned her friend who got cancer cuz she couldnt afford to buy the pills & her insurance didnt cover it. Now I noticed none of you are complaining about the fact that those same companies do cover Viagra(I suppose cuz you all use it). The insurance is paid for by her employer & usually the employee + a co-pay. No tax money. Catholic universities & hospitals already covered it & have been for years. Not getting pregnant is a health issue. Say, I thought all you so called conservatives were all about staying out of peoples private lives…you are the ones bringing up the sex scandals, not us Liberals.

      • vicki

        JKinIL says:

        I wish my insurance didn’t cover illness from alcoholism, tobacco use, drug abuse, gun accidents, obesity, and motorcycle accidents–especially when the rider’s not wearing a helmet. Unfortunately, that’s not how insurance works…

        If your insurance covers things you don’t want it to then change insurance companies. It’s that easy. Oh what? you are forced to have that insurance plan cause it is the only one your company offers? So who has a gun to your head forcing you to work for that company? Who has a gun to your head forcing you to accept that benefit?

        Your claim to victimhood is exactly what the progressive uses to try and control you. If you are a victim then government has a duty to “protect” you. Thus the more people who can be convinced that they are victims the more they will demand “protection”.

        Now you might try and say that you have tried and all insurance companies cover those things. Well that’s an easy fix too. Start your OWN insurance company. Really experience government intrusion first hand.

      • vicki

        The truth demonstrates their knoledge of the difference between fact and opinion by writing:

        Vicki, the fact that you believe other people pay for her birth control (because Rush told you so) says it all. Do you think health care plans that cover earth care at your work are more expensive or less expensive?

        I believe that she WANTS other people to pay for her birth control cause SHE said so. That was rather the point of the hearing. Note other people is not necessarily taxpayers though they probably are.

      • http://personalliberty.com Alondra

        Rob, you are liberal absurdity and oxymoron, who is trying to convince everyone you are an INDEPENDENT. Good try but UNconvincing. You and Karolyn are liberal hoax on this Web Site . You both are so heartbreakingly pathetic.

      • http://gravatar.com/katrael59ganaiden katrael59ganaiden

        This is in response to wandamurlinew. You’re right about people wanting to distract us from the real issue of the constitutionality of this thing. Our government has no business paying for anybody’s birth control for any reason. The politicians will try to buy Ms. Flukes, and other’s vote by providing her/them with free(???) birth control pills. That’s cheap enough to them.
        The issue is quite simple to understand: no gratuities for anybody.

      • Robert Smith

        John Myers commented: “I don’t want to watch anybody have sex; I expect neither do most Americans.”

        If one includes kids and those absolutely opposed to it I’m optimistic that could be a correct statement. However, if one considers just adults I suspect that it’s actually quite common. One no longer needs to go to a dank theater in a seedy part of town. It can be had right in one’s living room or anyplace a computer can be set up.

        Porn is best pegged at a half a billion dollar a year business. I can’t guess about how that divides up among adult Americans but it’s a big dollar amount. There is pay per view, networks like Playboy and Hustler, rentals, sales… Most hotels have access to porn on their TV systems. Shucks XM even has Playboy and Spice. Playboy has had some excellent interviews. I particularly remember one with Jessy Ventura.

        For more details on just how big (or small) you think the porn industry might be one can go Forbes for an interesting article: http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html

        Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Alondra begins: “Rob, you are… ”

        Kinda reminds me of samurai calling Bishop Spong a “herritick” and lying and calling folks “moron,” even after it was explained that a “moron” wouldn’t be able to navigate this forum very well.

        Do you always try to define others? Can’t you argue against reality?

        Here you go: I’m a Goldwater Conservative.

        Now, when you call me anything else I’ll point out you are lying.

        Rob

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        I’m really not in the mood for this tonight, but Rush is a bloviating idiot! That’s what he gets paid to do!!! He’s been saying the same kinda garbage ever since he’s been on the air! In my opinion him and Oprah are the two polar oppisites of the spectum.

      • http://gravatar.com/jericho777 jericho777

        Than, that must make you a bloviating listener idiot? I say Idiot respectfully of course, only because you think him such an idiot, and yet you still listen to him, see where I’m going? It really tickles my Southern when I read these sort of post and think, wow, Rush is really good man, he must be some kind of modern day Pide Piper for all you Liberal rats who are suffering themselves to listening to our Conservative Pride & Joy Rush Limbaugh! I mean, and you must understand, how idiotic you must read to all us here, and I assume you must be on some kind disillusioned panties wadding to even hint you listen to him enough to suggest he is bloviating…At any rate, you did give me quite a chuckle, and I have even emailed this to my Southern Fishing and Hunting Buds, and a few Yankee pals too, and as an added treat, I’ve attached the opening theme song/music as a sort of imagined parody. I did warn them however, that playing it to loudly, just might attract nearby Liberals, and cautioned them to use head phones, except of course in those states that allow for shooting bloviating idiot liberal rats :)

      • pweiters9

        3/15/12, Myers is right; BO wants to bankrupt us w/Obamacare & his Green agenda and you worry about this. Rush is good but fading; Bob Grant’s a masterful historian & getting old. My top radio personality is the Savage Nation.

      • Gerard

        To Opal:
        I made no assumptions…I stated exactly what Anastasia said in her comment. It is her that said she has been buying BC for 30 years and agrees with RL’s statement for calling Sandra Fluke names. RL’s statement concludes that anyone using BC so they can have sex is a s….. and a w……. which Anastasia agrees with and then she says she has used BC for 30 years. Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Seems most all conservatives call people names when they can’t figure things out.

      • Tom W.

        Jerico777, may I correct you in your assuption that I’m one of those liberal rats?! I call myself an independent, I lean right on most issues but at the same time see some good points on the left also. I remember when Slick Willie was president and Rush would get the guys that I was working with so lathered up, you couldn’t even talk to ‘em, they were ready to kill something!!! So if you want to call him a pied piper, at least get it straight that it’s redneck a$$holes like yourself that he is leading to the water’s edge!!! I don’t, haven’t, and will not Listen to Rush unless it’s unavoidable because he’s in the news for some reason like trying to pin an illegal prescription drug wrap on his house keeper or something of that sort. One of these days all of you redneck OGs who listen to Rush are going to have a confrontation with all of those pampered post-menapausal bluehairs who watch Oprah, and the fight’s gonna be on! A REAL civil war!!! My money’s on the ladies! Now go out and have a hunting accident or something. JESUS IS COMING! You’d BETTER get ready!!!

      • speedle

        Rob, I think you miss the point. Viagra is sometimes covered and sometimes not on group health plans. In any case that is not relevant. The government is not dictating that Viagra be covered and paid for by someone else. Of course that is not the only injustice in “mandated” benefits on health insurance plans. This has been going on for some time. “Maternity” coverage has been mandated by the feds for decades. Why should young singles on older seniors be paying for people’s maternity care?

        The point of all this is the ability of the fed to “mandate”. IMO, Limbaugh used this as the attention getter to highlight this abuse of personal liberty (benefit mandate) because even the thickest of citizens understand what birth control pills are all about.

    • Gena Claudel

      Why is is ok for insurance to pay for viagra (men to be able to enjoy sex and has nothing to do with any other health issues) but insurance will not pay for oral contraceptives for women even though it is used for more than birth control? Oh by the way insurance will also pay for a vasectomy for men??!!!!! You people are just wrong!!!!! It feels like we are fighting for women’s rights and we are going back in time due to religion. Religious right conservative people are so close minded to science it feel like we are going back to the dark ages……….

      • Searcher4851

        Gena, this is exactly the problem. The whole issue has been sidetracked. The issue under debate was the government forcing the Catholic church to provide coverage which goes against their beliefs. It’s about overreach by the feds, not about birth control or women’s rights. Limbaugh’s rant HELPED take the talking away from the real issue.

      • Ron

        Viagra is for a medical condition. There is no comparison between that and birthcontrol….

      • DonnieB

        A private insurance company can decide what to offer in their policies all by themselves. The Federal government doesn’t have the Constitutional authority to order this (although Obama thinks he is the decider). If the company wants to cover birth control, then good for them but don’t think that it is free. TANSTAFL . One of my favorites. There Ain’t No Such Thing As a Free Lunch. Evidence shows that many Democrats that that there is free stuff; just get taxpayers to write the check.

        It is not Federal government’s business how much money any of its citizens earn ( I do agree the IRS does need to know for tax purposes). Just because you make double my earnings or I make a 1000 times what you do, it is not the Federal governments concern.

      • Nellie

        Gena: What is paid by an insurance policy is dictated by the carrier of the policy. Not all people are priviledged to get free viagra nor vasectomies. Every corporation or personal plan purchased out-lines what you do or do not get. It also depends on if, at present, you are a PPO or HMO. So your statement is much too general. I personally feel Rush’s use of words was obscene and unnecessary to get his point across. But then again I listen to him seldom…along with Glen Beck. BUT I will not deny they, in their own fashion, get their points across. What is being challenged here is seperation of church and state. Read your history and come to understand that Obamacare is stepping into areas where it has no business. This is very delicate….Rush was wrong. But then again so is Bill Maher!!!!!!!!! As for Flukes…I simply refuse to listen to a college student tell the American women what is right or wrong for them. Thank you, Richard, for your statement that we need to think for ourselves.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “Viagra is for a medical condition.”

        Really? What “medical condition” does Rush have that he was caught with a bunch of it at an airport?

        BTW, the prescription didn’t have his name on it. That’s a violation of his deal on the other drug stuff, but somehow he scated again.

        So, tell us about Rush’s medical issues. You seem so willing to talk about womens’ issues, tell us about Rush.

        Rob

      • UncleJC

        Dear Gina,
        . . . “Why is is ok for insurance to pay for viagra (men to be able to enjoy sex and has nothing to do with any other health issues) but insurance will not pay for oral contraceptives for women even though it is used for more than birth control?”

        First: Viagra was NOT invented for ED (which IS a medical condition). My DAUGHTER is 31 and has been taking 400 mg of Viagra per day (about 30 times more than any male), among other meds. Without it, she would have died several years ago

        Viagra was invented for a condition known as PPH – Primary Pulmonary Hypertension. In non-medical terms, it mean dangerously high blood pressure in the lungs. She developed this condition when she was 20. The problems with her lungs caused severe damage to her heart. She is now on the waiting list for a heart AND a double-lung transplant.

        PPH is why Viagra was invented. Everything else was an accidental side-effect.

        Brit control pills are between $4.00 and $14.00 at WalMart, depending upon brand and dosage. Your basic deductible is higher than that! That’s why it seems they don’t cover it. If the companies made it more expensive, so that you deductible does not fully cover the price, would you be happy? I doubt that.

        . . .”Oh by the way insurance will also pay for a vasectomy for men??!!!!! ”

        A vasectomy is the surgical and physiological equivalent of a tubal ligation (in non-medical terms: “getting your tubes tied or cut”). And so the answer to your question is YES, Health insurance companies DO COVER BOTH BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME PROCEDURE.

        Are you happy now that you know the truth about that?

        . . . “You people are just wrong!!!!! It feels like we are fighting for women’s rights and we are going back in time due to religion. Religious right conservative people are so close minded to science it feel like we are going back to the dark ages”

        Since you “unreligious (atheistic?) left liberals” are the ones who are ignorant of, or simply choosing to ignore, the economic and medical FACTS, and learning FACTS and consequences is antithetic to your arguments and cause, YOU and your side are “just wrong” (as you said).

        This has nothing to do with “women’s rights”. It is who pays the bill so you and Ms Fluke can have sex. Nobody here is saying you can’t be as promiscuous as your desire. The rest of us are simply saying that “if we ain’t getting the benefit, we ain’t paying the bill”.

      • Gerard

        Replying to Ron….So you say that ED is a medical condition. One thing I do know is that ovarian cysts and ovarian cancer ARE medical conditions that in some cases can be prevented with the use of BC medication. Does Viagra prevent cysts or cancer in men? Please gain some knowledge on the subject before you post a comment. As Rush is also guilty of.

      • DaveH

        Gena says — “Why is is ok for insurance to pay for viagra (men to be able to enjoy sex and has nothing to do with any other health issues) but insurance will not pay for oral contraceptives for women even though it is used for more than birth control? Oh by the way insurance will also pay for a vasectomy for men??!!!!! You people are just wrong!!!!!”
        Are you talking about Mandated Government Health Insurance, Gena, or private Insurance? If you’re talking about the former, the Federal Government has no business at all in providing health insurance for the people. And if they indeed have provisions to pay for vasectomies (I doubt it), that is wrong. But two wrongs don’t make a right no matter how many times you Liberals insist they do.
        But If you’re talking about private voluntary Insurance, Gena, it’s none of your business what they offer their customers. If you don’t like it, don’t buy their Insurance — I don’t.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        The government wants to be the controller and decision maker under the guise of “health care”. Insurance companies are the stepping stones to grab that power and money. If they take down the biggest insurance provider all others will willingly submit.

      • Gary L

        This whole thing isn’t about what insurance companies will cover.
        This is about people wanting the government (tax payers) to pay for contraception.
        I don’t give a damn what kind of contraception it is. I don’t think I should have to foot any part of the bill for anyone other than myself or whomever I volutarily offer my help.
        The line should have been drawn a long time ago concerning what BIG GOVERNMENT could do with the money it forcibly takes from us. You can be damn sure they take a whole lot more than they should for things that do not benefit US at all.

      • Robert, TX

        Every single comment in this line has NOTHING to do with the continual loss of liberty and justice that we have endured over the last 30 years. It would be nice to defeat Obama, but what difference will Romney, Santorum or even the Grinch make? Will these repubs slow the growth of our massive, intrusive, federal govt.? We do not need to slow the growth, we need to cut, slash and burn! We can cost the liberals 100 bad bills at every creek crossing between here and TOTAL VICTORY!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/hattles JeffH

        Sorry if I’ve made multiple duplicate postings. Seems my comments aren’t showing and there is still some technical problems with the website.

      • Michael H.

        See comments from above. Specifically BigBadJohn’s.

      • Ranger

        Gena:

        Good point! Speaking of Buckley, would that more conservatives would read Buckley’s intelligent, educated, and very sophisticated positions on conservative thought, and stop watching an uneducated ignorant buffoon like Rush on Fox “Noise”. I wonder if many realize that he’s a completely uneducated but effective “used car salesman”. After barely graduating from H.S., Rush attended one semester of Community College, and flunked out, . . . . . and that’s IT! The sum total of his educational background and qualifications. As a practicing scientist and H.S. and University Science instructor for 4 decades, I’ve noted that any time Rush delves into any science subject, be it Climate Change, Evolution, etc., it only takes about 10 seconds for a trained scientist to realize that he has absolutely no idea what he’s talking about. We definitely need a better spokesperson for the GOP!

      • Vicki

        Gena Claudel says:

        Why is is ok for insurance to pay for viagra (men to be able to enjoy sex and has nothing to do with any other health issues) but insurance will not pay for oral contraceptives for women even though it is used for more than birth control?

        Interesting mis-use of language. The correct way to phrase this issue

        Is it ok to FORCE an insurance company to pay for viagra? Answer NO.

        Is it ok to FORCE an insurance company to pay for Birth Control? Answer NO.

        Is it ok to let the insurance company decide to pay for viagra or birth control or both?. Answer YES.

      • Robert Smith

        From Searcher: “The issue under debate was the government forcing the Catholic church to provide coverage which goes against their beliefs.”

        Or, the catholic church is forcing its beliefs upon those who are not of the flock.

        It all depends on the perspective. One is of the church, the other is America.

        Rob

      • Opal the Gem

        “Or, the catholic church is forcing its beliefs upon those who are not of the flock.”

        Give it up RS nobody is buying what you are trying to sell. No one forces a person to attend one of their schools. No one forces anyone to work for them. If you don’t like their policy go to a different school or work for a different hospital or teach at a different school.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “Rush is saying that it is wrong for her to make other people (thru force of government) pay for her birth control. ”

      And what the rest of us are syaing is that it is WRONG for religion to invade the privacy of a woman and her doctor when prescription drugs are involved.

      Why force your religion upon another and call it “freedom”? It’s no such thing for the person having religion foced upon them simply because they declare they should.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “Why force your religion upon another and call it “freedom”?”
        As usual, the Liberal Robert gets it backward. Only the Government has assumed the right of Force in this country, Robert. The religious people (me neither) simply don’t want Government to Force them to pay for other peoples’ health care choices.
        To insist that people don’t get a Free Ride on other peoples’ shoulders (Slavery) is not Force. The Forcers are the people like you, Robert, who want to use the Power of Government to Force other people to do things their way.
        I don’t know what you call it, Robert, “freedom” or otherwise, but Liberals are definitely trying to for their Religion of Liberalism on the rest of us. I am Atheist, and I reject the inconsistent Religion of Liberalism.

      • Darlene Austin

        Rob, you would have made a more accurate comment had you been paying attention to details. The church/religion wasn’t demanding everyone come under what they believe, they were stating that it was wrong for them to be forced to pay for something they believe is morally reprehensible to them. Paying attention to details makes one a better informed poster.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Since Leftism/Humanism is a religion, why are you forcing your religion on the rest of us?

      • Bonnie Lesando

        Robert, who’s freedom are you talking about. It is not about women’s rights, it is about women’s responsibility. I am sick of NOW and the liberal women’s rights. Health care should not favor one sex over the other, one religion over the other. It should cover healthcare for everyone, young, middle age, old, white, black, yellow or purple. If this is the case then everyone is covered equally for real health issues. This administration loves to pick it’s favorites when it come to anything they do. Unions are exempt from the healthcare bill and so are many other groups. By the way, the new CBO’s report for the cost is now at $1.76 trillion. Remember it was only going to cost $ 9 billion. The $ amount has almost doubled. Also, it was to cover everyone and now we have been told that 4 million people will not be covered.

      • Robert Smith

        Dave H says: “The religious people (me neither) simply don’t want Government to Force them to pay for other peoples’ health care choices.”

        And I don’t want to be forced to pay for wars in Iraq, Afganastan, Iran…

        I don’t want to pay for Palun’s bridges to nowhere.

        I don’t want to see churches NOT paying property tax. Other businesses are responsible, why aren’t churches?

        BTW, how is it churches are being “forced” to pay for health care? It’s a perk. Health care for a business is voluntary. Where it becomes involuntary is that health care can’t be purchesed for some full time employees and not the rest. IOW, if the priest gets health care, so does the full time janitor and the secretary WHO MAY NOT BE OF THE FLOCK. IOW, they are forcing their religion upon others.

        Rob

      • Opal the Gem

        ” Paying attention to details makes one a better informed poster.”

        RS doesn’t need details to tell us how we should live our lives for he is a liberal hack who always knows what is best for everyone regardless of their circumstances..

      • DaveH

        It is not the Government’s business, Bonnie, to provide any kind of health care to the citizens, especially since they do it with unwilling donors’ money. The Federal Government has no Power under the Constitution to provide Health Care to the citizens.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey darlene, you post: “they were stating that it was wrong for them to be forced to pay for something they believe is morally reprehensible to them. ”

        I think it’s moreally reprehensible to offer oil subsidies.

        I think war is generally wrong. (self defense is not wrong)

        I think it’s wrong that churches are exempt from property taxes. They are simply real property owned by a group of people with common beliefs. Why does that make them “special?”

        Does that mean that war, subsidies, and special treatment of religious folks will end?

        I mean, why don’t you apply equal standards to your “arguments?”

        Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert says — “And I don’t want to be forced to pay for wars in Iraq, Afganastan, Iran…”.
        The United States shouldn’t be involved in any of those wars. So you shouldn’t be forced to pay for them.
        Robert says — “And you I don’t want to pay for Palun’s bridges to nowhere”.
        If I had my way only the users of that bridge would pay.
        Robert says — “I don’t want to see churches NOT paying property tax. Other businesses are responsible, why aren’t churches?”.
        I agree, churches should have to pay property taxes which should be only for services provided by Government for that property (or anybody’s property).
        If Government provides health care, the payment of such is hardly voluntary, Robert. Government is Force. And it’s none of your business, Robert, what a private company provides their employees.
        And this statement from you, Robert, is about as fallacious as I’ve seen you make — “if the priest gets health care, so does the full time janitor and the secretary WHO MAY NOT BE OF THE FLOCK. IOW, they are forcing their religion upon others”.
        How you can equate the voluntary compensation choices of a church and their employees with Force is beyond any kind of rational logic, but then that’s what I’ve come to expect from you and your fellow Liberals, Robert.

      • Robert Smith

        Opal posts: “who always knows what is best for everyone regardless of their circumstances..”

        Really… And how does that fit in with the right wing approach that women must do things THEIR way without any choice whatsoever?

        I’m the one who advocates that each woman knows what is best for herself and it is SHE who should make decisions about her own life, be it sex, abortion, prescriptions, or whatever.

        Now, explain to me how MY opinon of what she should do matters.

        They explain why yours should matter.

        Rob

    • Sol of Texas

      I don’t understand why people get upset when others use language accurately. I don’t know if Ms. Fluke is a prostitute, but if she is spending $1-3K per year on birth control, she is clearly a slut.

      Slut: 1a. “A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous”
      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slut

      I’ve got nothing against sluts, I’ve dated a few! :-)

      However, it’s not “just”, for a person to expect others (e.g., tax payers) to provide resources for their choices of risky behavior.

      • DaveH

        Their is no reason to insult people simply because they make life-choices that affect only them and other people who voluntarily engage in those activities.

      • mikesvoice

        Dave H…..the error in your statement: “Their is no reason to insult people simply because they make life-choices that affect only them and other people who voluntarily engage in those activities.” is that Fluke affects others not engaged in those activities with her, by expecting/requiring others to cover the cost of the activity by providing her contraception choice.

      • Michael J.

        Sandra, the lesbian farcical fluke of nature who protests for free stuff to protect herself from things of which she is not in danger of, will soon have the covers pulled back to expose her naked untruths.

      • DaveH

        There is no error in my statement, Mike. The error has been committed by you inserting words in my mouth. I was simply responding to Sol’s use of the word “Slut”. I said nothing about the legitimacy of Fluke expecting others to pay for her birth control.

      • Mike in PA

        I sympathise with all of those who dont want thier taxes taken to provide birth control. I personally didnt want my taxes going to prosecute the war in Iraq or the last 9 years in Afghaniistan. Frankly I would rather pay for sex. Unfortunately we dont get to pick from a menu of where our tax money gets spent.

      • Robert Smith

        Sol claims: ” but if she is spending $1-3K per year on birth control, she is clearly a slut.”

        Not all prescriptions are of the $10 Walmart variety. Some folks decide with their doctor that another formula for a prescription will have a better result without side effects that may come with another prescription. BTW, the need for birth control pills for reasons other than birth control was cited, but seems to be overlooked around here, just as the need for some medical necessary abortions is ignored. Sheesh such narrow vision, but thats a bit of a sidelight.

        The fact is that if a script is $60 each month that’s $720 each year PLUS a couple / few hundred bucks for the pelvic at the doctor’s office so the prescription can be issued.

        So, how do you know what prescriptions are involved? Ohhhhhhhh, I get it, you are following and being a dittohead with Rush. If he wants you to have an opinion he’ll give it to you. How’s that for insight?

        Rob

      • Libertytrain

        rob she could go to Planned Parenthood

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “rob she could go to Planned Parenthood”

        Really? If the right wing had their way there would be no Planned Parenthood.

        So, explain that one?

        It isn’t about the money, religion, or anything else except CONTROL by the right wing.

        Yet they claim it’s the left that wants control as we talk about freedom and choice.

        What was it in 1984? Newsspeak? Newspeak? It’s been awhile since I read it. But the right is very guilty of claiming one thing but actually working for another. The left doesn’t support the 1%. It’s dittoheads to think those paper looters are entitled because they can.

        Rob

    • Sama

      The author of this article surely isn’t a Rush listener! He/she has no sense of humor. Rush uses a lot of satire in his shows. The left leaning public has no sense of humor either and attacks any words they can to make their sick points. I listened to that show and I did laugh at the irony of what Ms. Fluke was claiming. sheesh!

      • Robert Smith

        From Sama: “The left leaning public has no sense of humor ”

        There are a few around here who call me “left.” In fact, I’m a Goldwater Conservative, but even he is now called a liberal by some. Oh well. There is humor out there.

        Bill Marher.

        I wonder what the extreme right thought about George Carlen?

        Louis C.K is doing well.

        Oh, and then there is Jon Stewart.

        Lewis Black… I’ve spent several evenings laughting out loud at his comedy.

        Rob

    • walker

      to Rob: it’s not compromise we need. we need to elect more conservatives and no liberals and then you would see the nation rebound. a compromise just means all these programs grow at a slower pace. no, we need to eliminate programs that are not working or wasting money. how’s my spelling, Rob?

      • Robert Smith

        GWB grew the budget faster than anyone before.

        And look where that put America.

        Clinton left him with a budget surplus.

        Rob

      • Nobody’s Fool

        Robert Smith, you would do better to go read from the Communist Manifesto (aka, Obama’s Handbook for America’s Future) than to read conservative blogs. It just gets you all stirred up. First thing you know, we’ll all be asked to pay for your high blood pressure meds.
        Speaking of meds, there are such things as viagra and something similar for women to get them all hot and bothered, and I’m wondering if that is really what this country needs, more over-sexed old men and women?? Good grief!! Could someone just show a little restraint??? John Myers in his article said it’s okay for people like the fluke to have rampant sex (he said lots of people have a “healthy sex life”)…and I am just wondering if it is really healthy for rampant, promiscuous sex to rule the lives of so many people?? As I said before, what’s the matter with responsible, self-disciplined restraint??

    • Johannah

      Georgetown requires all students to be covered by healthcare insurance. The plan they offer costs in the $2,000 range. Other companies charge in the $5,000 range for an individual policy.
      Students are free to buy the Georgetown insurance or from any other company of thier choice.
      As you can see the Georgetown insurance is much cheaper. But if Ms fluke has her way it will become more expensive.
      And if obama gets away with mandating “free” bc pills for all, it is only a matter of time till they mandate other free things. Then the cheap insurance will become a thing of the past.

      • Trixie

        Exactly, Johannah. Young adults could almost always stay on their parents’ plan while being students. Obamacare has forced insurance companies to include young adults to age 26 even if they’re not students. If a college student is covered under daddy’s plan, birth control pills would still cost a copay, amount depending on whether a generic or brand name just like any other drug. Forcing insurance companies to provide bc pills for free is going to raise premiums for everyone, which is just another problem with govt run healthcare. Forcing the Catholic Church to provide any birth control coverage even though it is against their beliefs is a whole separate issue. If you want coverage, don’t go work for a church or go to a catholic college.

      • Opal the Gem

        Also the Georgetown policy does cover the pill when it is prescribed specifically for conditions other than birth control.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “Then the cheap insurance will become a thing of the past.”

        It ain’t “cheap” when it doesn’t cover legally prescribed treatments.

        Rob

      • ChristyK

        Insurance only works for unexpected things. If you have insurance for regular use items such as monthly birth control pills, it actually increases the costs for everyone. When people get things for free, they use more of it and don’t consider the costs. People will chose to use a more expensive form of birthcontrol rather than a cheaper form because they aren’t paying. A company that pays for birth control pills, will have overhead for administering the plan in addition to the cost of the birthcontrol pill. Therefore people pay more each month than if individuals just purchased their own birth control each month. Forcing all plans to cover birth control forces those who don’t want to use it and who think it is morally wrong to pay for other’s use. This is morally wrong. The best plan for everyone is to not force anyone to have coverage for birthcontrol. If some people are foolish enough to choose an insurance plan that covers birth control, they are free to do so, but will end up paying more since those that don’t want it, won’t buy this type of plan, and the free supply will cause overspending and extra overhead costs.

    • Dr Snake

      Limbaugh has 15 hours a week to cover anything he wants. He took significant amounts of time for 3 days straight to villify and slander a private citizen exercising the same rights–for free, that Limbaugh does for a check. NOTHING he did was remotely correct.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      It appears that the Leftists/Liberals are the majority of the listeners to Rush. He appears to know when and how to yank their chains and he always gets the expected response.

      • Robert Smith

        Posted: “It appears that the Leftists/Liberals are the majority of the listeners to Rush. ”

        And the folks paying for air time figured out that they don’t want an audience that is insulted and ticked off, so they withdrew from Rush’s program.

        That’s good business for them.

        Rob

    • JOSEPH

      The TRUTH obviously does not listen to RUSH, AND HAS IT ALL WRONG !!!!
      Get your facts right before mouthing off Truthie boy !!1

    • Jacobite

      Don’t know why I try to communicate with Libertarians, but anyhow…. First: hypocrasy is a personal failing, not a sin. A hypocrite upholds morality to others while sinning himself. Guess what? The remedy for this is to stop sinning! Not, as cunning 2-year-old might think, to stop advocating good behavior for others. The Catholic Church has no objections to any treatment for an illness using contrceptives. I believe many insurance policies also cover them when used to treat illness. A person who considers pregnancy an illness better not talk to me about his worship of “Nature”, “Gaia” or whatever pagan god-substitute he has going. A mammal just can’t get any more un-natural than that. What do these freaks think Saint Darwin would say about a species (his own!) refusing to procreate? Doesn’t sound like a very good survival strategy to me, somehow.

      • Robert Smith

        Jacobite posts: “What do these freaks think Saint Darwin would say about a species (his own!) refusing to procreate? ”

        When procreation causes polution, crazyness, and other things counter to the survival to the species then birth control is a good thing. Many animals eat their young, spontaniously abort during hard times, or simply don’t reproduce when things get tough.

        Furhter, in the case of a priest, isn’t it a sin to say, “go forth and multiply” and then proclaim that you won’t? Sheesh, what a horrible example, and they they go after little boys. What an awful management system.

        Rob

      • Libertytrain

        rob, perhaps a trip to the Vatican City is in order for you so that you can inform them of your perceived problems with the Church and offer to assist them with your management style.

    • bob

      Yes, he might have used different wording & the part about wanting to “see ” her in action was a little to much, but “shock value” is what gets everyone’s attention these days.
      Politicians use it all the time “Old folks have a choice between eating dog food or paying the electric bill”. Gets your attention doesn’t it.
      A friend who attends Georgetown Univ, & lives near the campus e- mailed me that a Target store about 3 miles away has a 30 day supply of birth control pills for $9.00. This is a far cry from the $3000.00 she indicated it was costing her & others.
      Also when her background check was looked into, it was discovered she is a female activist, who has been involved in cause such as this for many years, so I don’t think this is just a random case here. She looked into the Universities policies and targeted them. The President & a Democratic committee got involved because this is a hot button issue, Rush was involved, & the main reason———— to distract the public from the real issues like jobs, the economy, the debt, Iran and all the other issues the President & Congress, can’t, wouldn’t or they just don’t give a crap about in solving. If other talk show personality ( Bill Mahar, Morning Joe or Ed, whoever he is ) had said it, it probably wouldn’t have gotten a mention.
      It’s the old ” slight of hand distraction” the old razzel dazzel keep the attention somewhere else” except where it should be, and as the lea-ricks in the movie Chicago says ” they’ll never get wise”.

    • Todd

      Vicki your an idiot. Do you think everybody’s health care is paid for by the govt? My employer pays $370 and I pay $120 a month, the govt pays ZERO!. They have cut off my inhalers, my Advair and my stomach pills and now people like you want them to just not pay for any dammed thing because their employers feel maybe they are too fat, they smoke, etc. I am 50, weigh 155 pounds and in pretty good shape. But someday I might need insurance to cover something my EMPLOYER (the govt has NOTHING to do with this) doesn’t agree with. What you and the other people who are against the birth control issue say they are apposed of is because of some off the wall reason that the govt is involved. They are but only because my HMO gives the politicians millions of dollars in campaign contributions so they will vote to give them total power over what they can cover and make more record profits leaving me to suffer while they count the money. Be careful what you wish for Vicki, it might just come true.

      • Vicki

        Todd demonstrates excellent liberal debate style by writing:

        Vicki your an idiot.

        I didn’t bother to read the rest cause Todd has already made my case by ad hominem attack.

    • john whittington

      If you want that woman to have safe sex you pay for it. I am like Rush I don’t wish to pay for someone elses safe sex. Wha, that’s no fun!!!

    • APN

      Exactly! The author said: “Rather than leading a thoughtful discussion of Obamacare and the true aims of the President to make Big Government even bigger, Limbaugh instead made obscene and bizarre comments about a female college student.”

      What obscene comments???? He called a spade a spade! WE THE PEOPLE are currently 16 TRILLION in debt and OUR CONGRESS gives an audience to a female college student complaining about the “Cost” of having promiscuous sex. Now that is OBSCENITY! Where does it state in the constitution that I need to pay or I am required to pay for a dope smoking females sex habits???? Show it to me, I would like to see it!

      BEAM ME UP!

    • Ralph Herman

      Birth control pills are a health issue if you and rush weren’t too busy looking for lies to spout off or write about you might learn the truth about something.

    • Mark Rybeck

      Exactly, if I’m paying for “SLUT” Fluke to have sex (my tax $ going for birth control divices) then I should be having some sex with this “SLUT”.

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